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Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 [Re: Anonymous] #278886
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Question for you. Since you are arguing the pro side of the holdback controversy, im assuming you are from MD or the surrounding area. Also assuming you are not a Madlax parent since you seem rational. So here goes... why do you think the MD teams have so much trouble with the LI teams, who are much younger? If the MD players are top tier players, and a year or more older than the LI players, then there should be no contest. But that is clearly not the case.


That is a very good question. MD teams play an entire HOCO season before playing the LI teams, while the LI teams are just beginning their tourney season. And every MD team is LOADED with holdbacks, and always have been. If these MD teams are top teams, these games should not be remotely close. But they always are very close. Would love some “intelligent” responses.


Do mid-Atlantic teams have trouble with LI teams? Maybe 1 or 2 LI teams can pose a threat, but the vast majority of LI teams don't compete with the vast majority of Md teams. Outside of Taz and then sometimes WP, what teams from LI are competitive?



Dude. You are either reading impaired, or you just aint smart! Or, maybe you are one of those private school kids in DC. Regardless, pay attention!

There are a lot of LI teams that are very competitive, against all other on-age teams. If they played Madlax or any MD team for that matter, without their holdbacks, they would give them more than a competitive game. In fact, odds are they would smoke any MD team that is actually on-age.

* * * You are forgetting. Your 2024 teams are what we call 2023 teams (with some 2022's mixed in). * * *

So you are thinking that MD is soooooo competitive at the 2024 level, but there are very few 2024 aged kids in MD 2024 lacrosse!

I know it's confusing for you. Just try to remember... when thinking about 2024 lacrosse in MD, you just subtract 1 year from the grad year, to figure out what grad year the players would be in, if they weren't all holdbacks. For example: MD 2024 Lacrosse Players = 2024 - 1 = 2023 players. That's just a little trick that I use to help me remember. Hope it helps you.







Yo. Madlax can’t play anyone without their holdbacks. The sport of lacrosse requires 10 players on the field. There is no where close to 10 non-holdbacks on Madlax. I’d be shocked if they had any.

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I know it's confusing for you. Just try to remember... when thinking about 2024 lacrosse in MD, you just subtract 1 year from the grad year, to figure out what grad year the players would be in, if they weren't all holdbacks. For example: MD 2024 Lacrosse Players = 2024 - 1 = 2023 players. That's just a little trick that I use to help me remember. Hope it helps you.





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Yo. Madlax can’t play anyone without their holdbacks. The sport of lacrosse requires 10 players on the field. There is no where close to 10 non-holdbacks on Madlax. I’d be shocked if they had any.
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Show up and PLAY......... Forget your little online rants..... YES we are bigger, stronger, faster and YES OLDER...... and we usually win.......Let it be.

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 [Re: Anonymous] #278943
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I know it's confusing for you. Just try to remember... when thinking about 2024 lacrosse in MD, you just subtract 1 year from the grad year, to figure out what grad year the players would be in, if they weren't all holdbacks. For example: MD 2024 Lacrosse Players = 2024 - 1 = 2023 players. That's just a little trick that I use to help me remember. Hope it helps you.







Yo. Madlax can’t play anyone without their holdbacks. The sport of lacrosse requires 10 players on the field. There is no where close to 10 non-holdbacks on Madlax. I’d be shocked if they had any.
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...”usually win”??? Against who?? There is NO team ANYWHERE that has a winning record against Team 91 Wolfpack!! How humiliating for ALL the MD holdback teams and ESPECIALLY the king of the CHEATERS, Madlax DC. Such losers!

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I know it's confusing for you. Just try to remember... when thinking about 2024 lacrosse in MD, you just subtract 1 year from the grad year, to figure out what grad year the players would be in, if they weren't all holdbacks. For example: MD 2024 Lacrosse Players = 2024 - 1 = 2023 players. That's just a little trick that I use to help me remember. Hope it helps you.







Yo. Madlax can’t play anyone without their holdbacks. The sport of lacrosse requires 10 players on the field. There is no where close to 10 non-holdbacks on Madlax. I’d be shocked if they had any.
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Yes, you are probably right. You are “bigger, stronger, faster and YES OLDER”, but what you are not understanding is, Our boys are smaller, weaker, slower and YES YOUNGER, but they are WAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYY B*E*T*T*E*R than your band of post adolescent cheaters!

There you have it folks! MD and LI are finally in total agreement!!!

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 [Re: TM@BOTC] #279021
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Omg. Please make it stop. I have literally witnessed the most mind numbing back and fourth conversation ever. This is like listening to a news channel talk about politics. Cam Md parents go back to your forum and everyone please talk about lacrosse and not holdbacks and stop spewing your wives leftover roast from your mouths? My god you are all a bunch on jack wagons.

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I know it's confusing for you. Just try to remember... when thinking about 2024 lacrosse in MD, you just subtract 1 year from the grad year, to figure out what grad year the players would be in, if they weren't all holdbacks. For example: MD 2024 Lacrosse Players = 2024 - 1 = 2023 players. That's just a little trick that I use to help me remember. Hope it helps you.







Yo. Madlax can’t play anyone without their holdbacks. The sport of lacrosse requires 10 players on the field. There is no where close to 10 non-holdbacks on Madlax. I’d be shocked if they had any.
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I really don’t understand why these MD parents (ok, really it’s just the Madlax parents) rant about beating 2024 teams. 2023 teams are suppose to beat 2024 teams, if they are any good. It’s no achievement. You sound like children, but for the most part I know it’s not. Grow up.

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Guys the unfortunate thing is the age catch doesn't happen like you think. The boys don't always catch up. The talent you see know is the talent that stays. There may be a few outliers. The mythical catch up never happens the majority of families doing it are those with the better kids. And no it is not just DMV or Texas or Cali. Its Ct and LI too. Look at the rosters at Chaminade and St A's. Look at the roster at Smithtown many 2000 DOBs, many late in the year but 2000 non the less.

A pre 1st, then hold-back in 8th, is a 16 year old 9th grader against 14 yo advantage 16 yo. That same pre 1st HB is now 19/20 yo college freshman against a 17/18 yo.college freshman. or a 23/24 yo college Sr against a 21/22 yo college sr.



Sounds like a club coach or director have sold you well. But you need to look closer at their motivation. They’re in the business of winning NOW. For some clubs, holdbacks are the biggest part of that strategy. When your son no longer helps with attaining that goal, they are thrown out like yesterday’s newspaper. By junior year, the holdbacks advantage is over. He is now just a mediocre player, trying to compete against the superior kids he use to have an advantage over.

But now that advantage is gone, because the younger kids have caught up or VERY likely SURPASSED the physical advantages that he enjoyed during his early youth. He will be exposed for what he he has always been. An average player, at best. I’ve been coaching youth lacrosse for 15 years and I’ve seen this played out time and time again. Enjoy the advantage now, because within the next 3 years, it’s all over.


nope bucked the system i too have been coaching forever maybe it is time you took a break. i did. i am not saying i agree it is what it is. I was just stating facts. yeah its over in three years when they are in college and hit the 1% kids


Question for you. Since you are arguing the pro side of the holdback controversy, im assuming you are from MD or the surrounding area. Also assuming you are not a Madlax parent since you seem rational. So here goes... why do you think the MD teams have so much trouble with the LI teams, who are much younger? If the MD players are top tier players, and a year or more older than the LI players, then there should be no contest. But that is clearly not the case.


Still no response to this. No answer from any MD or DC parent on why MD and DC teams can’t remotely compete against top LI teams without playing down a year at minimum or even two years. Unbelievable when you think about it. The #2 hot bed for the sport, after LI of course, is completely uncompetitive when playing LI teams of comparable age. Embarrassing to say the least. Nobody from MD DC has any explanation for that.

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Guys the unfortunate thing is the age catch doesn't happen like you think. The boys don't always catch up. The talent you see know is the talent that stays. There may be a few outliers. The mythical catch up never happens the majority of families doing it are those with the better kids. And no it is not just DMV or Texas or Cali. Its Ct and LI too. Look at the rosters at Chaminade and St A's. Look at the roster at Smithtown many 2000 DOBs, many late in the year but 2000 non the less.

A pre 1st, then hold-back in 8th, is a 16 year old 9th grader against 14 yo advantage 16 yo. That same pre 1st HB is now 19/20 yo college freshman against a 17/18 yo.college freshman. or a 23/24 yo college Sr against a 21/22 yo college sr.



Sounds like a club coach or director have sold you well. But you need to look closer at their motivation. They’re in the business of winning NOW. For some clubs, holdbacks are the biggest part of that strategy. When your son no longer helps with attaining that goal, they are thrown out like yesterday’s newspaper. By junior year, the holdbacks advantage is over. He is now just a mediocre player, trying to compete against the superior kids he use to have an advantage over.

But now that advantage is gone, because the younger kids have caught up or VERY likely SURPASSED the physical advantages that he enjoyed during his early youth. He will be exposed for what he he has always been. An average player, at best. I’ve been coaching youth lacrosse for 15 years and I’ve seen this played out time and time again. Enjoy the advantage now, because within the next 3 years, it’s all over.


nope bucked the system i too have been coaching forever maybe it is time you took a break. i did. i am not saying i agree it is what it is. I was just stating facts. yeah its over in three years when they are in college and hit the 1% kids


Question for you. Since you are arguing the pro side of the holdback controversy, im assuming you are from MD or the surrounding area. Also assuming you are not a Madlax parent since you seem rational. So here goes... why do you think the MD teams have so much trouble with the LI teams, who are much younger? If the MD players are top tier players, and a year or more older than the LI players, then there should be no contest. But that is clearly not the case.


Still no response to this. No answer from any MD or DC parent on why MD and DC teams can’t remotely compete against top LI teams without playing down a year at minimum or even two years. Unbelievable when you think about it. The #2 hot bed for the sport, after LI of course, is completely uncompetitive when playing LI teams of comparable age. Embarrassing to say the least. Nobody from MD DC has any explanation for that.


So true. And it’s going on 6 years now. One would think they would get better at some point. But they haven’t, in 6 years, so no reason to believe they ever will.

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Guys the unfortunate thing is the age catch doesn't happen like you think. The boys don't always catch up. The talent you see know is the talent that stays. There may be a few outliers. The mythical catch up never happens the majority of families doing it are those with the better kids. And no it is not just DMV or Texas or Cali. Its Ct and LI too. Look at the rosters at Chaminade and St A's. Look at the roster at Smithtown many 2000 DOBs, many late in the year but 2000 non the less.

A pre 1st, then hold-back in 8th, is a 16 year old 9th grader against 14 yo advantage 16 yo. That same pre 1st HB is now 19/20 yo college freshman against a 17/18 yo.college freshman. or a 23/24 yo college Sr against a 21/22 yo college sr.



Sounds like a club coach or director have sold you well. But you need to look closer at their motivation. They’re in the business of winning NOW. For some clubs, holdbacks are the biggest part of that strategy. When your son no longer helps with attaining that goal, they are thrown out like yesterday’s newspaper. By junior year, the holdbacks advantage is over. He is now just a mediocre player, trying to compete against the superior kids he use to have an advantage over.

But now that advantage is gone, because the younger kids have caught up or VERY likely SURPASSED the physical advantages that he enjoyed during his early youth. He will be exposed for what he he has always been. An average player, at best. I’ve been coaching youth lacrosse for 15 years and I’ve seen this played out time and time again. Enjoy the advantage now, because within the next 3 years, it’s all over.



nope bucked the system i too have been coaching forever maybe it is time you took a break. i did. i am not saying i agree it is what it is. I was just stating facts. yeah its over in three years when they are in college and hit the 1% kids


Question for you. Since you are arguing the pro side of the holdback controversy, im assuming you are from MD or the surrounding area. Also assuming you are not a Madlax parent since you seem rational. So here goes... why do you think the MD teams have so much trouble with the LI teams, who are much younger? If the MD players are top tier players, and a year or more older than the LI players, then there should be no contest. But that is clearly not the case.


Still no response to this. No answer from any MD or DC parent on why MD and DC teams can’t remotely compete against top LI teams without playing down a year at minimum or even two years. Unbelievable when you think about it. The #2 hot bed for the sport, after LI of course, is completely uncompetitive when playing LI teams of comparable age. Embarrassing to say the least. Nobody from MD DC has any explanation for that.



So true. And it’s going on 6 years now. One would think they would get better at some point. But they haven’t, in 6 years, so no reason to believe they ever will.


They aren’t ever going to get better. It’s because they are so heavily invested in their holdbacks. So what they think is their advantage is actually their liability. Most holdbacks are holdbacks because they need the extra advantages that go along with being a year older, in order to be competitive. Said another way, these players are deficient players, certainly no where near top tier players. Which means they don’t have the tools to ever be a top player. Nothing close. But they get the playing time on these 30 something player teams, so the kids that actually do have potential aren’t developed at an optimal level. Nothing close. As the holdback gets older, they become less and less competitive as their advantages wane. And the younger kids with potential, never reach their potential, since it was not developed over the years. A two edge sword. So ultimately, these holdback teams become less and less competitive over the years. But even before that, these teams struggle with top, yet younger teams. Why? Because these younger, smaller teams are far more skilled. Simply, they are better teams, with far better athletes and far better lacrosse players. It’s top tier teams playing against average teams, that are a year + older. That’s why top LI teams give these true holdback teams everything they can handle and then some, even though they are one to two years younger than these teams.

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Sorry to the above LI dads with small boys who are getting left behind. Based on your comments you would think no Maryland area player is ever recruited or successful in college. Lol. Also do your homework, your stud LI players who are contributing at D1 programs almost all are older or PG. facts.

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Sorry to the above LI dads with small boys who are getting left behind. Based on your comments you would think no Maryland area player is ever recruited or successful in college. Lol. Also do your homework, your stud LI players who are contributing at D1 programs almost all are older or PG. facts.

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Sorry to the above LI dads with small boys who are getting left behind. Based on your comments you would think no Maryland area player is ever recruited or successful in college. Lol. Also do your homework, your stud LI players who are contributing at D1 programs almost all are older or PG. facts.


110% inaccurate statement. Stop with the verbal vomit! YOU do some homework and backup your BS statements. You will find some MD holdbacks at D1 because of the shear numbers of holdbacks in MD. There aren’t any on age kids to pick from because there aren’t any on age players in MD, so there is no other choice.

Conversely, there are very few LI holdbacks that are recruited to D1. Almost none. Absolute fact! Why? LI has almost no holdbacks. Why? Mostly because there are no prep schools on LI. So stop with the lies, and try answering the original question.

WHY DO MD TEAMS HAVE TO PLAY DOWN A MINIMUM OF ONE YEAR IF NOT TWO YEARS JUST TO BE ABLE TO COMPETE WITH LI TEAMS??

Obviously I already gave you the answer, but try to come up with something. Anything. Any spin you can think of, works for me.

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MD 2024 teams = average LI 2023 teams. That sums up MD youth lacrosse.

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So true. The obsession of these MD clubs to win now, is their ultimate weakness. How ironic. The business of youth sports. Buyer beware.

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Sorry to the above LI dads with small boys who are getting left behind. Based on your comments you would think no Maryland area player is ever recruited or successful in college. Lol. Also do your homework, your stud LI players who are contributing at D1 programs almost all are older or PG. facts.

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Sorry to the above LI dads with small boys who are getting left behind. Based on your comments you would think no Maryland area player is ever recruited or successful in college. Lol. Also do your homework, your stud LI players who are contributing at D1 programs almost all are older or PG. facts.


110% inaccurate statement. Stop with the verbal vomit! YOU do some homework and backup your BS statements. You will find some MD holdbacks at D1 because of the shear numbers of holdbacks in MD. There aren’t any on age kids to pick from because there aren’t any on age players in MD, so there is no other choice.

Conversely, there are very few LI holdbacks that are recruited to D1. Almost none. Absolute fact! Why? LI has almost no holdbacks. Why? Mostly because there are no prep schools on LI. So stop with the lies, and try answering the original question.

WHY DO MD TEAMS HAVE TO PLAY DOWN A MINIMUM OF ONE YEAR IF NOT TWO YEARS JUST TO BE ABLE TO COMPETE WITH LI TEAMS??

Obviously I already gave you the answer, but try to come up with something. Anything. Any spin you can think of, works for me.


Yikes. I guess I hit a nerve. Take a look at D1 rosters or the all American lists. Check how many were turned 20 as freshman. Your most successful LI boys in college do PG years.

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So true. The obsession of these MD clubs to win now, is their ultimate weakness. How ironic. The business of youth sports. Buyer beware.


The problem starts with the parents. Clubs are going to take the best players at tryouts. If they're all holdbacks, that's what they'll take. Let's be honest here if Express or 91 was presented with 20 holdbacks at tryouts, they would take every one of them.

Good news, we don't generally hold back on Strong Island because we don't need to. Maryland will continue to be a poor, backwater area of the country because they can't win even if they game the system. Winners win and losers ... well, you know ... Once those kids grow up, realize lacrosse isn't a job that pays and have to enter the workforce, they'll be exceptionally well qualified blue-collar workers like ma and pa. Meanwhile, ma and pa are still broke from some ridiculous dream of lacrosse actually meaning something in the real world.

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