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Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 [Re: TM@BOTC] #278810
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Long Island kids are heroes. 12yr olds against 17yr olds. It’s like Miracle on Ice every tournament.

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Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 [Re: TM@BOTC] #278812
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Ok gang. Here is the roster from 2016 U19 US team. Same number of MD/DC as NY (including the one upstate) . Age-based selection, no? So what happened to age catching up with the “80% holdbacks” who only get ahead because they are playing kids “two years” younger. Please make this notIntelligent argument end as it’s accurate anyway. https://teamusa.uslacrosse.org/us-under-19-men/us-under-19-men-roster .

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 [Re: TM@BOTC] #278815
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Long Island kids are heroes. 12yr olds against 17yr olds. It’s like Miracle on Ice every tournament.




Right. Everyone on 2024 teams outside of LI are 17 years old. Way to prove that you guys are not lunatics.

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 [Re: TM@BOTC] #278824
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News flash, Leading Edge (acting as US Lacrosse) named themselves number 1 Program in their rankings. Story at 11

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 [Re: Anonymous] #278828
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Question for you. Since you are arguing the pro side of the holdback controversy, im assuming you are from MD or the surrounding area. Also assuming you are not a Madlax parent since you seem rational. So here goes... why do you think the MD teams have so much trouble with the LI teams, who are much younger? If the MD players are top tier players, and a year or more older than the LI players, then there should be no contest. But that is clearly not the case.


That is a very good question. MD teams play an entire HOCO season before playing the LI teams, while the LI teams are just beginning their tourney season. And every MD team is LOADED with holdbacks, and always have been. If these MD teams are top teams, these games should not be remotely close. But they always are very close. Would love some “intelligent” responses.


Do mid-Atlantic teams have trouble with LI teams? Maybe 1 or 2 LI teams can pose a threat, but the vast majority of LI teams don't compete with the vast majority of Md teams. Outside of Taz and then sometimes WP, what teams from LI are competitive?

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Question for you. Since you are arguing the pro side of the holdback controversy, im assuming you are from MD or the surrounding area. Also assuming you are not a Madlax parent since you seem rational. So here goes... why do you think the MD teams have so much trouble with the LI teams, who are much younger? If the MD players are top tier players, and a year or more older than the LI players, then there should be no contest. But that is clearly not the case.


That is a very good question. MD teams play an entire HOCO season before playing the LI teams, while the LI teams are just beginning their tourney season. And every MD team is LOADED with holdbacks, and always have been. If these MD teams are top teams, these games should not be remotely close. But they always are very close. Would love some “intelligent” responses.


Do mid-Atlantic teams have trouble with LI teams? Maybe 1 or 2 LI teams can pose a threat, but the vast majority of LI teams don't compete with the vast majority of Md teams. Outside of Taz and then sometimes WP, what teams from LI are competitive?
well what’s the driving age? Twice last year we saw boys driving themselves out of the parking lot. Once in PA and once in MD.

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 [Re: Anonymous] #278833
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Question for you. Since you are arguing the pro side of the holdback controversy, im assuming you are from MD or the surrounding area. Also assuming you are not a Madlax parent since you seem rational. So here goes... why do you think the MD teams have so much trouble with the LI teams, who are much younger? If the MD players are top tier players, and a year or more older than the LI players, then there should be no contest. But that is clearly not the case.


That is a very good question. MD teams play an entire HOCO season before playing the LI teams, while the LI teams are just beginning their tourney season. And every MD team is LOADED with holdbacks, and always have been. If these MD teams are top teams, these games should not be remotely close. But they always are very close. Would love some “intelligent” responses.


Do mid-Atlantic teams have trouble with LI teams? Maybe 1 or 2 LI teams can pose a threat, but the vast majority of LI teams don't compete with the vast majority of Md teams. Outside of Taz and then sometimes WP, what teams from LI are competitive?
well what’s the driving age? Twice last year we saw boys driving themselves out of the parking lot. Once in PA and once in MD.



Assume this is a joke as this is a 2024 thread. Permit is almost 16 yrs old. They would be ineligible after Freshman year of HS at any DC or MD Catholic or private school league if they could drive. Do you guys actually go to games? Not sure there is much of a size discrepancy between the two regions. Legacy’s two big mids last summer and some 91 poles as big as anyone on MLax, BLC, 91, Hawks etc. Equal numbers of smaller attackmen (Mlax’s attachment are quick but not big). Maybe it just makes you sleep better, who knows.

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 [Re: Anonymous] #278838
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Question for you. Since you are arguing the pro side of the holdback controversy, im assuming you are from MD or the surrounding area. Also assuming you are not a Madlax parent since you seem rational. So here goes... why do you think the MD teams have so much trouble with the LI teams, who are much younger? If the MD players are top tier players, and a year or more older than the LI players, then there should be no contest. But that is clearly not the case.


That is a very good question. MD teams play an entire HOCO season before playing the LI teams, while the LI teams are just beginning their tourney season. And every MD team is LOADED with holdbacks, and always have been. If these MD teams are top teams, these games should not be remotely close. But they always are very close. Would love some “intelligent” responses.


Do mid-Atlantic teams have trouble with LI teams? Maybe 1 or 2 LI teams can pose a threat, but the vast majority of LI teams don't compete with the vast majority of Md teams. Outside of Taz and then sometimes WP, what teams from LI are competitive?



Dude. You are either reading impaired, or you just aint smart! Or, maybe you are one of those private school kids in DC. Regardless, pay attention!

There are a lot of LI teams that are very competitive, against all other on-age teams. If they played Madlax or any MD team for that matter, without their holdbacks, they would give them more than a competitive game. In fact, odds are they would smoke any MD team that is actually on-age.

* * * You are forgetting. Your 2024 teams are what we call 2023 teams (with some 2022's mixed in). * * *

So you are thinking that MD is soooooo competitive at the 2024 level, but there are very few 2024 aged kids in MD 2024 lacrosse!

I know it's confusing for you. Just try to remember... when thinking about 2024 lacrosse in MD, you just subtract 1 year from the grad year, to figure out what grad year the players would be in, if they weren't all holdbacks. For example: MD 2024 Lacrosse Players = 2024 - 1 = 2023 players. That's just a little trick that I use to help me remember. Hope it helps you.

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 [Re: Anonymous] #278844
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Ok gang. Here is the roster from 2016 U19 US team. Same number of MD/DC as NY (including the one upstate) . Age-based selection, no? So what happened to age catching up with the “80% holdbacks” who only get ahead because they are playing kids “two years” younger. Please make this notIntelligent argument end as it’s accurate anyway. https://teamusa.uslacrosse.org/us-under-19-men/us-under-19-men-roster .


Wow. The MD clubs REALLY do have you people brain washed.

1. Were all of the MD kids on the list, holdbacks???? You don't know, do you.
2. How many MD kids are on the list, 6 - 8? So, in a grade where there are hundreds or even thousands of holdbacks, MD is able to find 6-8 that are good players. And, because there are 6-8 good MD players in a grade, that is somehow justification for holding back every MD kids that ever picked up a stick? Because that is basically what is happening.
3. Or are you trying to say that MD has the same number of holdback players on the U19 Team, as LI does, who are not holdbacks? Not sure how that could be construed as helping your argument.

Obsessed MD parents hold back their kids, because of the notion that will make them successful, which is brought about by the clubs, who tell them it is their ticket to D1, scholarships and status. That plan seems to work pretty well through the youth ages as the kids size makes a significant difference.

It's 8th grade and the boy is 5'8" inches tall and a stud on his club team, since he is still bigger than the other boys, albeit not the best lacrosse skills.

But, what you are missing is, average players will N*E*V*E*R be great players. Good players will N*E*V*E*R be great players. Great players are the ONLY ones that can be great players.

Then puberty happens. BANG! The holdbacks lacrosse career changes forever. Now it's junior year. That 5'8" 8th grader is now all of 5'9" and the smallest kid on the team, with the same basic ability that he had as a youth, which is AVERAGE AT BEST. The boy rides the pines through his HS career.

Remember that little non-holdback kid from his youth team, with the "GREAT" skills?? Well, he is now 6'1" and an unstoppable beast, headed to Hopkins, on a full ride!

Get it now?? If not, you will soon.

Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 [Re: Anonymous] #278846
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Question for you. Since you are arguing the pro side of the holdback controversy, im assuming you are from MD or the surrounding area. Also assuming you are not a Madlax parent since you seem rational. So here goes... why do you think the MD teams have so much trouble with the LI teams, who are much younger? If the MD players are top tier players, and a year or more older than the LI players, then there should be no contest. But that is clearly not the case.


That is a very good question. MD teams play an entire HOCO season before playing the LI teams, while the LI teams are just beginning their tourney season. And every MD team is LOADED with holdbacks, and always have been. If these MD teams are top teams, these games should not be remotely close. But they always are very close. Would love some “intelligent” responses.


Do mid-Atlantic teams have trouble with LI teams? Maybe 1 or 2 LI teams can pose a threat, but the vast majority of LI teams don't compete with the vast majority of Md teams. Outside of Taz and then sometimes WP, what teams from LI are competitive?


What team from maryland, dc, va or any other state in the world, has a winning record against the wolfpack? Answer: None! Nothing close! Pretty embarrassing for all you holdback teams, huh? So what's next? Recruiting 17 and 18 year olds?? I don't care how much older all your teams are, none compare to team 91 wolfpack. None. Zero. Nadda!

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Question for you. Since you are arguing the pro side of the holdback controversy, im assuming you are from MD or the surrounding area. Also assuming you are not a Madlax parent since you seem rational. So here goes... why do you think the MD teams have so much trouble with the LI teams, who are much younger? If the MD players are top tier players, and a year or more older than the LI players, then there should be no contest. But that is clearly not the case.


That is a very good question. MD teams play an entire HOCO season before playing the LI teams, while the LI teams are just beginning their tourney season. And every MD team is LOADED with holdbacks, and always have been. If these MD teams are top teams, these games should not be remotely close. But they always are very close. Would love some “intelligent” responses.


Do mid-Atlantic teams have trouble with LI teams? Maybe 1 or 2 LI teams can pose a threat, but the vast majority of LI teams don't compete with the vast majority of Md teams. Outside of Taz and then sometimes WP, what teams from LI are competitive?
well what’s the driving age? Twice last year we saw boys driving themselves out of the parking lot. Once in PA and once in MD.



Assume this is a joke as this is a 2024 thread. Permit is almost 16 yrs old. They would be ineligible after Freshman year of HS at any DC or MD Catholic or private school league if they could drive. Do you guys actually go to games? Not sure there is much of a size discrepancy between the two regions. Legacy’s two big mids last summer and some 91 poles as big as anyone on MLax, BLC, 91, Hawks etc. Equal numbers of smaller attackmen (Mlax’s attachment are quick but not big). Maybe it just makes you sleep better, who knows.


So what are you saying? In order for MD to compete with bigger and better LI teams, they have to get kids a year or two older, just to be able to compete? I tell you what, now you are making some sense!

By the way, just for the record, the smallest players on Madlax are their oldest holdbacks. And, you may want to check some of your facts, because last time I checked, Madlax's #24, from the past 6 years, was bigger than ANYONE from anywhere... ON THE PLANET!!!!!

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Question for you. Since you are arguing the pro side of the holdback controversy, im assuming you are from MD or the surrounding area. Also assuming you are not a Madlax parent since you seem rational. So here goes... why do you think the MD teams have so much trouble with the LI teams, who are much younger? If the MD players are top tier players, and a year or more older than the LI players, then there should be no contest. But that is clearly not the case.


That is a very good question. MD teams play an entire HOCO season before playing the LI teams, while the LI teams are just beginning their tourney season. And every MD team is LOADED with holdbacks, and always have been. If these MD teams are top teams, these games should not be remotely close. But they always are very close. Would love some “intelligent” responses.


Do mid-Atlantic teams have trouble with LI teams? Maybe 1 or 2 LI teams can pose a threat, but the vast majority of LI teams don't compete with the vast majority of Md teams. Outside of Taz and then sometimes WP, what teams from LI are competitive?
well what’s the driving age? Twice last year we saw boys driving themselves out of the parking lot. Once in PA and once in MD.



Assume this is a joke as this is a 2024 thread. Permit is almost 16 yrs old. They would be ineligible after Freshman year of HS at any DC or MD Catholic or private school league if they could drive. Do you guys actually go to games? Not sure there is much of a size discrepancy between the two regions. Legacy’s two big mids last summer and some 91 poles as big as anyone on MLax, BLC, 91, Hawks etc. Equal numbers of smaller attackmen (Mlax’s attachment are quick but not big). Maybe it just makes you sleep better, who knows.


So what are you saying? In order for MD to compete with bigger and better LI teams, they have to get kids a year or two older, just to be able to compete? I tell you what, now you are making some sense!

By the way, just for the record, the smallest players on Madlax are their oldest holdbacks. And, you may want to check some of your facts, because last time I checked, Madlax's #24, from the past 6 years, was bigger than ANYONE from anywhere... ON THE PLANET!!!!!






That’s what I’ve been saying right along. The mid-Atlantic is a year, at minimum, behind LI in the sport of lacrosse. This guy from MD obviously is saying exactly the same thing.

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Question for you. Since you are arguing the pro side of the holdback controversy, im assuming you are from MD or the surrounding area. Also assuming you are not a Madlax parent since you seem rational. So here goes... why do you think the MD teams have so much trouble with the LI teams, who are much younger? If the MD players are top tier players, and a year or more older than the LI players, then there should be no contest. But that is clearly not the case.


That is a very good question. MD teams play an entire HOCO season before playing the LI teams, while the LI teams are just beginning their tourney season. And every MD team is LOADED with holdbacks, and always have been. If these MD teams are top teams, these games should not be remotely close. But they always are very close. Would love some “intelligent” responses.


Do mid-Atlantic teams have trouble with LI teams? Maybe 1 or 2 LI teams can pose a threat, but the vast majority of LI teams don't compete with the vast majority of Md teams. Outside of Taz and then sometimes WP, what teams from LI are competitive?


What team from maryland, dc, va or any other state in the world, has a winning record against the wolfpack? Answer: None! Nothing close! Pretty embarrassing for all you holdback teams, huh? So what's next? Recruiting 17 and 18 year olds?? I don't care how much older all your teams are, none compare to team 91 wolfpack. None. Zero. Nadda!



These posts have to be from children. So sad that this matters this much to you all. Ya win some, you lose some. If these are from "adults", please stop trying to relive your sad little life.

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Question for you. Since you are arguing the pro side of the holdback controversy, im assuming you are from MD or the surrounding area. Also assuming you are not a Madlax parent since you seem rational. So here goes... why do you think the MD teams have so much trouble with the LI teams, who are much younger? If the MD players are top tier players, and a year or more older than the LI players, then there should be no contest. But that is clearly not the case.


That is a very good question. MD teams play an entire HOCO season before playing the LI teams, while the LI teams are just beginning their tourney season. And every MD team is LOADED with holdbacks, and always have been. If these MD teams are top teams, these games should not be remotely close. But they always are very close. Would love some “intelligent” responses.


Do mid-Atlantic teams have trouble with LI teams? Maybe 1 or 2 LI teams can pose a threat, but the vast majority of LI teams don't compete with the vast majority of Md teams. Outside of Taz and then sometimes WP, what teams from LI are competitive?


Competitive? Competitive with who? Other 2024 teams? Then your answer is, there are ALOT of very competitive LI teams. They may not be competitive against 2023 teams disguised as 2024 teams, but against true 2024 teams (you know, the ones that don’t cheat their butt off) they are VERY competitive.

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Question for you. Since you are arguing the pro side of the holdback controversy, im assuming you are from MD or the surrounding area. Also assuming you are not a Madlax parent since you seem rational. So here goes... why do you think the MD teams have so much trouble with the LI teams, who are much younger? If the MD players are top tier players, and a year or more older than the LI players, then there should be no contest. But that is clearly not the case.


That is a very good question. MD teams play an entire HOCO season before playing the LI teams, while the LI teams are just beginning their tourney season. And every MD team is LOADED with holdbacks, and always have been. If these MD teams are top teams, these games should not be remotely close. But they always are very close. Would love some “intelligent” responses.


Do mid-Atlantic teams have trouble with LI teams? Maybe 1 or 2 LI teams can pose a threat, but the vast majority of LI teams don't compete with the vast majority of Md teams. Outside of Taz and then sometimes WP, what teams from LI are competitive?


What team from maryland, dc, va or any other state in the world, has a winning record against the wolfpack? Answer: None! Nothing close! Pretty embarrassing for all you holdback teams, huh? So what's next? Recruiting 17 and 18 year olds?? I don't care how much older all your teams are, none compare to team 91 wolfpack. None. Zero. Nadda!



These posts have to be from children. So sad that this matters this much to you all. Ya win some, you lose some. If these are from "adults", please stop trying to relive your sad little life.


Allow me to translate that post. As an obnoxious mid-Atlantic parent of a 2024 holdback, I have absolutely no defense for my deceptive, dishonest and downright cheating ways. Nor can I explain why LI reigns supreme, in such a dominant manner, in 2024 lacrosse.

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