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Top MIAA team in Anne Arundel Co. - what? 2-8 and lost to John Carroll. Best team in Glen Burnie maybe.


That’s old news. There is a new sheriff in town and he locked and loaded with talent.

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It was a high hit that finished with a cross check on video. Ref threw the flag immediately.Had his hand in his pocket grabbing at the flag as the player hit the ground. Even the offending player turned and looked right at the ref after he did it. Helmet to helmet on first contact with a cross check to the chest that road up into the players throat and helmet. Hawks player extended his arms all the way out. That is a penalty. Good call by the ref.


Post this said video then so everyone can shut up and move on and enjoy the holiday season.


It was clear from the original post the ref made the right calls on the filed. It is the losers comments and name calling on a kid and then acting like his kids team doesn't play that way every game then bringing up holdbacks like RR has none.. Sounds like it was a rough game like it always is against these 2 teams

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Same coaching staff jerky. New Sheriff? Who dat? [ChillLaxin] with a line-ex painted truck?

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Good thing those Spalding kids got some practice laughing and having a good time after a loss. That’s a skill that will come in handy over the next few years.


This forum really needs a Like button!


The topic needs to be changed to - Hawks/Spalding 2022

Only team that gets talked about.


You can say that but the most talented kids on the Hawks are actually going to St. John’s.

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Who/what is Spalding?


grandson of the great Judge Smails, co-founder of Bushwood Country Club


Wellllllllll????........WE'RE WAITING!!!

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The kids got an extra day of playing against great competition. It wasn’t pouring, the facilities were great and the weather was pretty mild. Be grateful people. Have a drink and relax.


Agreed. All four teams were a treat to watch.


It is always enjoyable watching 10th graders masquerade as 9th graders while playing lacrosse. Over half the 2022 players are at proper 10th grade age. What a clown sport.

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Good thing those Spalding kids got some practice laughing and having a good time after a loss. That’s a skill that will come in handy over the next few years.


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The topic needs to be changed to - Hawks/Spalding 2022

Only team that gets talked about.


You can say that but the most talented kids on the Hawks are actually going to St. John’s.




Half the team is Spalding - 1/4 St Johns and the team is not very good and is going in the wrong direction. Every other top level team is getting better . 3w3fcf

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The topic needs to be changed to - Hawks/Spalding 2022

Only team that gets talked about.


You can say that but the most talented kids on the Hawks are actually going to St. John’s.




Half the team is Spalding - 1/4 St Johns and the team is not very good and is going in the wrong direction. Every other top level team is getting better . 3w3fcf

Now you’re just trolling. Were you even there Sunday? I doubt it.

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RoughRiders beating Hawks is nothing new here folks.

Hawks donut eating goalie took a cheap shot late in the game when RR where up late with ball. Goalie got full time unreleaseable penalty and should have been ejected.

RoughRiders Coach was protecting his players



RR Head Coach should have had a clear view of the hit. It was at chest level and shouldn’t have been called. No head of neck involved. It was big kid hitting a little one so it looked worse than it was. Sorry the player was injuries but that happens in contact sports.

Go watch your video before you call the kid names and bad mouth him.


Stop it. Everyone in the stadium saw it. It was clearly an illegal hit. Ref flew the flag immediately and then conferred with his counterpart to determine length of full serve penalty, not if it was a foul or not.

People like you turn the conversation ugly. No one would be talking about this hit or the players involved if you didn’t bring it up.


No one would be talking about it if the ref. wouldn't have been swayed by the RR crowd to throw the flag. The parents cried about contact the entire game. Arden influence has taken over the team. soft


It was a high hit that finished with a cross check on video. Ref threw the flag immediately.Had his hand in his pocket grabbing at the flag as the player hit the ground. Even the offending player turned and looked right at the ref after he did it. Helmet to helmet on first contact with a cross check to the chest that road up into the players throat and helmet. Hawks player extended his arms all the way out. That is a penalty. Good call by the ref.


Half right. It was a clean play until the player extended his arms making it a cross check as it started chest to chest. However, his arms did not rise to the throat or head. The players head came forward on impact making it look like there was contact to the throat. The goalies arms actually pushed in a downward motion knocking the player to the ground. It should have been a one minute penalty for a cross check and not full time. It is a penalty that happens in every game with the difference being that this one was full speed and with the intensity of a LB hitting a RB leaving the attackman on the short end. For the most part, just another lacrosse play.

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What's your point? So long as the high schools allow it and colleges need to recruit every year, it will go on. The same will hold true for 21's, 22's and so on. It has taken the burden off of colleges having to red shirt so they love it.

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It was a high hit that finished with a cross check on video. Ref threw the flag immediately.Had his hand in his pocket grabbing at the flag as the player hit the ground. Even the offending player turned and looked right at the ref after he did it. Helmet to helmet on first contact with a cross check to the chest that road up into the players throat and helmet. Hawks player extended his arms all the way out. That is a penalty. Good call by the ref.


Post this said video then so everyone can shut up and move on and enjoy the holiday season.


It was clear from the original post the ref made the right calls on the filed. It is the losers comments and name calling on a kid and then acting like his kids team doesn't play that way every game then bringing up holdbacks like RR has none.. Sounds like it was a rough game like it always is against these 2 teams



Actually, somebody, (probably an "API dad") was poking fun at Hawks for losing. The follow up comment about "RR parents crying about the fowl, forcing the refs to throw flags and being soft," is probably what kicked off the donut comment, but both comments were wrong. The reality is that It was a blatant foul. Parents on EVERY team call those out, especially when a player is down on the field as a result. There were several helmet to helmet hits in the game. Hawks were getting flustered in the second half and getting physical and chippy. It happens. RR played through it and did what they needed to do. All the kids and coaches lined up and shook hands after the game with no hard feelings until BOTC. There is a shocker! As for the other antagonistic comments regarding RR "style of play and holdbacks", you are clearly just deflecting or inviting more comments and its not even remotely close by comparison. Last year, over half the RR players couldn't even jump off a springboard to hit a Hawk in the helmet. You have had the biggest team in 2022 club lacrosse for years until last Spring. During that time RR and other teams have had maybe 3-4 kids total who would be considered an average size player on the Hawks roster? The size advantage has almost completely diminished since last Spring. Learn how to lose gracefully like others did before you.

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Good thing those Spalding kids got some practice laughing and having a good time after a loss. That’s a skill that will come in handy over the next few years.


This forum really needs a Like button!


The topic needs to be changed to - Hawks/Spalding 2022

Only team that gets talked about.


You can say that but the most talented kids on the Hawks are actually going to St. John’s.




Saw SJ play at the NHSLS. They still stink.

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RR beat the Hawks during the Summer and have always played them tough. Its never been a huge size differential. Your analysis is pedestrian. Watch the film, and compare the stats and tell me why the RRs now have the upper hand versus the Hawks. Is it a match up issue or coaching? Is one staff rolling the ball out while the other is game planning and making in game adjustments.

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It is always enjoyable watching 10th graders masquerade as 9th graders while playing lacrosse. Over half the 2022 players are at proper 10th grade age. What a clown sport. [/quote]

What's your point? So long as the high schools allow it and colleges need to recruit every year, it will go on. The same will hold true for 21's, 22's and so on. It has taken the burden off of colleges having to red shirt so they love it.
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The point is your kid wasn’t good enough to play with kids his own age so he had to sandbag.

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It is always enjoyable watching 10th graders masquerade as 9th graders while playing lacrosse. Over half the 2022 players are at proper 10th grade age. What a clown sport.


What's your point? So long as the high schools allow it and colleges need to recruit every year, it will go on. The same will hold true for 21's, 22's and so on. It has taken the burden off of colleges having to red shirt so they love it.
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The point is your kid wasn’t good enough to play with kids his own age so he had to sandbag.
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Can we talk about lacrosse the sport, not some holdback hating dad's hang up? Your son is going to suffer in high school when he plays against the seniors whether he's a true freshman or a holdback. Get ready to see him get trucked and beaten down on a regular basis. What are you going to whine about then? Life's not fair, he's got a pleasant disposition, or too small of a build.

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What's your point? So long as the high schools allow it and colleges need to recruit every year, it will go on. The same will hold true for 21's, 22's and so on. It has taken the burden off of colleges having to red shirt so they love it.
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Please show me a sport where no one is reclass. Clown

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Good game coach. You guys always give us a good run.

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Thanks coach. You have a great team.

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Good luck in your other games.

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Yeah, same to you. Hope the rain holds off.

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Coach Wood, did everyone get some time?

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Boys, that game is over. On to the next one.

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Will you be on Xbox later?

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Hold backs, cheap shots, Spalding, API parents, cry babies, soft, watch the tape, bad game plan, donut-eating, rawriders, puberty, your kid got cut, LINE-X truck, SJC stinks

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It is always enjoyable watching 10th graders masquerade as 9th graders while playing lacrosse. Over half the 2022 players are at proper 10th grade age. What a clown sport.


What's your point? So long as the high schools allow it and colleges need to recruit every year, it will go on. The same will hold true for 21's, 22's and so on. It has taken the burden off of colleges having to red shirt so they love it.
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The point is your kid wasn’t good enough to play with kids his own age so he had to sandbag.
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Have you voiced your issues with the NCAA, USL and the tournament directors or are you just posting anonymously on forums like these? Otherwise, you are wasting your time. The large majority of the best players coming out of high school are born prior to 9/1 - in any scholarship sport.

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It is always enjoyable watching 10th graders masquerade as 9th graders while playing lacrosse. Over half the 2022 players are at proper 10th grade age. What a clown sport.


What's your point? So long as the high schools allow it and colleges need to recruit every year, it will go on. The same will hold true for 21's, 22's and so on. It has taken the burden off of colleges having to red shirt so they love it.


The point is your kid wasn’t good enough to play with kids his own age so he had to sandbag.
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Can we talk about lacrosse the sport, not some holdback hating dad's hang up? Your son is going to suffer in high school when he plays against the seniors whether he's a true freshman or a holdback. Get ready to see him get trucked and beaten down on a regular basis. What are you going to whine about then? Life's not fair, he's got a pleasant disposition, or too small of a build.
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This kid is never going to make the team.

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Good game coach. You guys always give us a good run.

Originally Posted by Coach Reese
Thanks coach. You have a great team.

Originally Posted by Coach Ripley
Good luck in your other games.

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Yeah, same to you. Hope the rain holds off.

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Coach Wood, did everyone get some time?

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Boys, that game is over. On to the next one.

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Will you be on Xbox later?

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Hold backs, cheap shots, Spalding, API parents, cry babies, soft, watch the tape, bad game plan, donut-eating, rawriders, puberty, your kid got cut, LINE-X truck, SJC stinks


Thank you for this coach.

This was an entertaining post and I see the point you are trying to make. Some of the above is out of line, IMO.

However.... Hosting high school commitment ceremonies... layering on the hashtags... shepherding naive kids and families to a random commuter school where you have influence and a coaching job... YOU are the one who opened this pandora's box. You preach taking responsibility... will you take responsibility for what you have created?

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RR beat the Hawks during the Summer and have always played them tough. Its never been a huge size differential. Your analysis is pedestrian. Watch the film, and compare the stats and tell me why the RRs now have the upper hand versus the Hawks. Is it a match up issue or coaching? Is one staff rolling the ball out while the other is game planning and making in game adjustments.


Sorry, It has a lot to do with the rest of the 2022 club players growing 2-4" and maturing over the last year. The Hawks players who have always been bigger, faster and more physically mature than the rest of 2022 are leveling off. That is why they did not run the table after HoCo last season like they have in years past. Its not coaching rocket science. Hawks practice more than anyone and their coaches do a fine job. They beat RR 10-2 in HoCo last Spring because they were well coached, well practiced and RR struggled to stop a couple of the Hawks players due to their size and speed. Of course RR improved and has good coaching, but don't discount the natural 8-9th grade age as it relates to puberty and accelerated growth. If you watched the game Sunday, the Hawks almost looked like the smaller team. Their players that used to tower over everyone are no longer the biggest kids on the field. Game on.

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It is always enjoyable watching 10th graders masquerade as 9th graders while playing lacrosse. Over half the 2022 players are at proper 10th grade age. What a clown sport.


What's your point? So long as the high schools allow it and colleges need to recruit every year, it will go on. The same will hold true for 21's, 22's and so on. It has taken the burden off of colleges having to red shirt so they love it.
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Sorry your son couldnt make it against same age competition. Youth Lacrosse is the worst. Bar None. Say what you want about all sports. It just isnt true. Is there some, for sure, But the world of lacrosse, overage players for their grade are the norm for the supposed elite teams. Clown is Clown,,and that is clown

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Great past weekend of lacrosse at Maryland. Hawks RoughRiders and FCA all played well. No bad blood between any team there. Hawks RoughRiders FCA are the 3 best teams from Maryland in the 2022 class right now. Have fun this spring in high school playing either Freshman JV or Varsity. See you all next summer when club ball starts back up.

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Wrong. Madlax 2022 is the best in the area.

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Wrong. Madlax 2022 is the best in the area.


91MD
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Wrong. Madlax 2022 is the best in the area.


91MD
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API is not in the conversation.

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It is always enjoyable watching 10th graders masquerade as 9th graders while playing lacrosse. Over half the 2022 players are at proper 10th grade age. What a clown sport.


What's your point? So long as the high schools allow it and colleges need to recruit every year, it will go on. The same will hold true for 21's, 22's and so on. It has taken the burden off of colleges having to red shirt so they love it.


Please show me a sport where no one is reclass. Clown
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Someone is BITTER!! It’s gonna be ok. Promise

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In ALL the HUGE number of conversations about holdbacks, I have yet to see anyone make a case for why it's a good system. The best folks can do is insult the parents and their kids who play on-age ("Hit the wall" "Get better").

No rational person who cared about the kids would design a club system with holdbacks. The ONLY reason it is done is to make it easier for college coaches to attend recruiting events.

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Wrong. Madlax 2022 is the best in the area.


91MD
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This is about right although the first two teams are a pick em. Interesting comments on the forum regarding how other teams are now bigger and faster than others and how its showing up on the scoreboard.

When you watch the film, you can break the game into phases: transition defense, settled defense, goalie play, unsettled clearing, settled clearing, faceoffs including wing play, transition offense, settled offense and last EMO and MDD. Top club, high school and college staffs monitor all of these phases and adjust according to the personnel available.

You can have the best goalie in the world but a porous transition and settled D will undermine his ability to save the ball. The opposite is also true. You can create ten plus fast-break opportunities in a game which go for naught if the offense can't capitalize on them. If your team fouls a lot and your MDD or keeper are lacking, you will pay the price. Its all about percentages/wins and losses in all of the phases of the game that fill out the canvass and paint the picture. Do size and speed matter? Sure but they're not any more important than stickwork, spacing or communication,

Whoever made the comment about practice time being the end all be all has never coached a successful championship high school or college program. While practice time is important it pales in comparison to the contents of quality film study/practice plan. Is the staff breaking down the aforementioned phases of the game and preparing a "critical path" to improve their team's performance? Are they translating this improvement plan into film study and practice drills. The film and the metrics never lie. Does a team progress or regress over a season? Injuries aside, the team's record and the film paint a very clear picture.

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In ALL the HUGE number of conversations about holdbacks, I have yet to see anyone make a case for why it's a good system. The best folks can do is insult the parents and their kids who play on-age ("Hit the wall" "Get better").

No rational person who cared about the kids would design a club system with holdbacks. The ONLY reason it is done is to make it easier for college coaches to attend recruiting events.

You are forgetting the primary reason this system was created and the largest benefactor. Private schools. This does not apply only to sports. Private schools have a small pool if parents that can pay 15-45K per year for K-12. Over time that is serious money. Many of these parents are encouraged to do so at a young age. This way they get an extra year of tuition. If they hold back another year that is one more year. As the best lacrosse programs collect these students at private schools, lacrosse is impacted even more by this. It is not good for the development of the sport, it does not improve the college game or make it easier on college coaches to get older players. THE reason it grows is the extra year of tuition payments. I do not know of any public school holdbacks.

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In ALL the HUGE number of conversations about holdbacks, I have yet to see anyone make a case for why it's a good system. The best folks can do is insult the parents and their kids who play on-age ("Hit the wall" "Get better").

No rational person who cared about the kids would design a club system with holdbacks. The ONLY reason it is done is to make it easier for college coaches to attend recruiting events.


The best system would be for the kids to advance to the next age bracket on their birthday but no one cares, especially the colleges. They want the biggest, fastest, strongest and most skilled players and those are usually the kids who are older.

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In ALL the HUGE number of conversations about holdbacks, I have yet to see anyone make a case for why it's a good system. The best folks can do is insult the parents and their kids who play on-age ("Hit the wall" "Get better").

No rational person who cared about the kids would design a club system with holdbacks. The ONLY reason it is done is to make it easier for college coaches to attend recruiting events.

You are forgetting the primary reason this system was created and the largest benefactor. Private schools. This does not apply only to sports. Private schools have a small pool if parents that can pay 15-45K per year for K-12. Over time that is serious money. Many of these parents are encouraged to do so at a young age. This way they get an extra year of tuition. If they hold back another year that is one more year. As the best lacrosse programs collect these students at private schools, lacrosse is impacted even more by this. It is not good for the development of the sport, it does not improve the college game or make it easier on college coaches to get older players. THE reason it grows is the extra year of tuition payments. I do not know of any public school holdbacks.


That's silly. There are plenty of public school holdbacks.

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In ALL the HUGE number of conversations about holdbacks, I have yet to see anyone make a case for why it's a good system. The best folks can do is insult the parents and their kids who play on-age ("Hit the wall" "Get better").

No rational person who cared about the kids would design a club system with holdbacks. The ONLY reason it is done is to make it easier for college coaches to attend recruiting events.

You are forgetting the primary reason this system was created and the largest benefactor. Private schools. This does not apply only to sports. Private schools have a small pool if parents that can pay 15-45K per year for K-12. Over time that is serious money. Many of these parents are encouraged to do so at a young age. This way they get an extra year of tuition. If they hold back another year that is one more year. As the best lacrosse programs collect these students at private schools, lacrosse is impacted even more by this. It is not good for the development of the sport, it does not improve the college game or make it easier on college coaches to get older players. THE reason it grows is the extra year of tuition payments. I do not know of any public school holdbacks.


That's silly. There are plenty of public school holdbacks.


Someone has no idea what they are talking about.

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In ALL the HUGE number of conversations about holdbacks, I have yet to see anyone make a case for why it's a good system. The best folks can do is insult the parents and their kids who play on-age ("Hit the wall" "Get better").

No rational person who cared about the kids would design a club system with holdbacks. The ONLY reason it is done is to make it easier for college coaches to attend recruiting events.

You are forgetting the primary reason this system was created and the largest benefactor. Private schools. This does not apply only to sports. Private schools have a small pool if parents that can pay 15-45K per year for K-12. Over time that is serious money. Many of these parents are encouraged to do so at a young age. This way they get an extra year of tuition. If they hold back another year that is one more year. As the best lacrosse programs collect these students at private schools, lacrosse is impacted even more by this. It is not good for the development of the sport, it does not improve the college game or make it easier on college coaches to get older players. THE reason it grows is the extra year of tuition payments. I do not know of any public school holdbacks.


That's silly. There are plenty of public school holdbacks.


Someone has no idea what they are talking about.


Until just a few years ago that was true, Very rarely did you see a public school holdback. Unfortunately, More and more you do. Just trying to compete against all the Private school holdbacks

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In ALL the HUGE number of conversations about holdbacks, I have yet to see anyone make a case for why it's a good system. The best folks can do is insult the parents and their kids who play on-age ("Hit the wall" "Get better").

No rational person who cared about the kids would design a club system with holdbacks. The ONLY reason it is done is to make it easier for college coaches to attend recruiting events.

You are forgetting the primary reason this system was created and the largest benefactor. Private schools. This does not apply only to sports. Private schools have a small pool if parents that can pay 15-45K per year for K-12. Over time that is serious money. Many of these parents are encouraged to do so at a young age. This way they get an extra year of tuition. If they hold back another year that is one more year. As the best lacrosse programs collect these students at private schools, lacrosse is impacted even more by this. It is not good for the development of the sport, it does not improve the college game or make it easier on college coaches to get older players. THE reason it grows is the extra year of tuition payments. I do not know of any public school holdbacks.


That's silly. There are plenty of public school holdbacks.


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You can have your son do two years of Kindergarten in public schools, and I am pretty sure you can start your kid at 6 not 5 in public schools but I could be wrong.

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Wrong. Madlax 2022 is the best in the area.


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In ALL the HUGE number of conversations about holdbacks, I have yet to see anyone make a case for why it's a good system. The best folks can do is insult the parents and their kids who play on-age ("Hit the wall" "Get better").

No rational person who cared about the kids would design a club system with holdbacks. The ONLY reason it is done is to make it easier for college coaches to attend recruiting events.

You are forgetting the primary reason this system was created and the largest benefactor. Private schools. This does not apply only to sports. Private schools have a small pool if parents that can pay 15-45K per year for K-12. Over time that is serious money. Many of these parents are encouraged to do so at a young age. This way they get an extra year of tuition. If they hold back another year that is one more year. As the best lacrosse programs collect these students at private schools, lacrosse is impacted even more by this. It is not good for the development of the sport, it does not improve the college game or make it easier on college coaches to get older players. THE reason it grows is the extra year of tuition payments. I do not know of any public school holdbacks.


That's silly. There are plenty of public school holdbacks.


Someone has no idea what they are talking about.



This has been happening for decades in basketball, football and baseball with public and private kids. So many public school kids have gone on to do an extra year before entering college. An extra year to develop more mentally and or physically. Private school folks just mastered it by repeating early grades or starting late or calling it a Post Grad year,All options vs Red Shirting in college ,which most who do that do not have income to pay for a private school to get the extra year. Not every public school kid is poor either. Plenty of wealthy folks in public schools who do the same thing as private wealthy folks.
Because these sports are the main attraction at every level of almost any college and get the most scholarships it is not magnified like the lacrosse world. Lacrosse world is known to most to be a wealthy sport with limited exposure and limited scholarships. Much easier for the wealthy to manipulate the system even though they can out right pay for the tuition of their kids. This is a system that has been going on for decades with public and private school kids and the lacrosse community seems to embrace it because the college role it plays. Fair or not there is plenty of lacrosse for all now and there surely is a place for all levels of lacrosse.

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In ALL the HUGE number of conversations about holdbacks, I have yet to see anyone make a case for why it's a good system. The best folks can do is insult the parents and their kids who play on-age ("Hit the wall" "Get better").

No rational person who cared about the kids would design a club system with holdbacks. The ONLY reason it is done is to make it easier for college coaches to attend recruiting events.

You are forgetting the primary reason this system was created and the largest benefactor. Private schools. This does not apply only to sports. Private schools have a small pool if parents that can pay 15-45K per year for K-12. Over time that is serious money. Many of these parents are encouraged to do so at a young age. This way they get an extra year of tuition. If they hold back another year that is one more year. As the best lacrosse programs collect these students at private schools, lacrosse is impacted even more by this. It is not good for the development of the sport, it does not improve the college game or make it easier on college coaches to get older players. THE reason it grows is the extra year of tuition payments. I do not know of any public school holdbacks.


That's silly. There are plenty of public school holdbacks.


Someone has no idea what they are talking about.

You can have your son do two years of Kindergarten in public schools, and I am pretty sure you can start your kid at 6 not 5 in public schools but I could be wrong.


You're not wrong. There are plenty of public school kids with july and august birthdays that didn't start school until they were 6. No different than the private school kids going to pre-First

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Wrong. Madlax 2022 is the best in the area.


91MD
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Fca
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DCE/Madlax(pick em)
API


FCA went 5-4 this fall. May want to rethink your rankings.

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Wrong. Madlax 2022 is the best in the area.


91MD
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Hawks
Fca
Crabs
DCE/Madlax(pick em)
API


FCA went 5-4 this fall. May want to rethink your rankings.



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