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Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 [Re: Anonymous] #275961
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Madlax is only $750 for spring I was a little off. All the cost are on the website clear for you to read.


So every season is a separate payment. Do the boys have to tryout for each separate season, or is that only once per year?

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Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 [Re: TM@BOTC] #275962
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Here’s a new question, related to the extraordinary cost that we all pay. Do you find that clubs raise the price every year, or does it stay pretty much the same, from year to year? My experience is, once the club stinks you in, the price goes up every single year. Not talking small percentages either. Try 20%-25%, give or take, every year. Is this practice status quo?

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Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 [Re: Anonymous] #275964
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Let's talk reality. Anyone that is foolish enough to repeat a grade for lacrosse reasons is not an elite player that quality schools are going to be chasing after. By Junior year it will all level out. Kids that didn't have to drop back will still be the class of the field. Unless you are chasing UMBC or High Point, your kid is better off hitting the books than taking a lap. Anyone that thinks otherwise is chasing a pipe dream that some greedy club owner created in order to convince delusional parents to pay $795 a season to play club lacrosse.

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Let's talk reality. Anyone that is foolish enough to repeat a grade for lacrosse reasons is not an elite player that quality schools are going to be chasing after. By Junior year it will all level out. Kids that didn't have to drop back will still be the class of the field. Unless you are chasing UMBC or High Point, your kid is better off hitting the books than taking a lap. Anyone that thinks otherwise is chasing a pipe dream that some greedy club owner created in order to convince delusional parents to pay $795 a season to play club lacrosse.

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Let's talk reality. Anyone that is foolish enough to repeat a grade for lacrosse reasons is not an elite player that quality schools are going to be chasing after. By Junior year it will all level out. Kids that didn't have to drop back will still be the class of the field. Unless you are chasing UMBC or High Point, your kid is better off hitting the books than taking a lap. Anyone that thinks otherwise is chasing a pipe dream that some greedy club owner created in order to convince delusional parents to pay $795 a season to play club lacrosse.


Think about it. If a child can’t compete successfully against kids his own age, to the extent that he has to play with kids a year younger than him, he is not a good player. Obviously. The good player is the kid that can compete successfully against kids his age as well as kids a year older. Dah!

But it may help line the pockets of the club that he is playing with. No down side for them.


This is just not true check the ages of the AA under armor team the leaked a year or two ago guessing 85% of those kids where 12 to 16 months older then what we in VA would call on age. The elite kids are from private schools overall and those kids are older. Private schools want boys to start at age 6 not 5 or even 4 like public school boys. This is a fact not a secret. Then throw in the ability to afford a extra year of private school in 8th grade they end up on top. Do all reclass kids end up at the top of the class no, but are 80% of the top kids of each class older yes this is a fact has been true for at least 6 years and will not stop anytime soon.


You like stats. Here are all the stats you need. If your kid isn’t good enough to play with kids his own age, then this sport is not for him, no matter how many times you want to hold him back. He ain’t good! The on-age kids excelling against on-age kids and older, are today and tomorrow’s big time players. Regurgitate all the stats you want, but you may want to just try some common sense!

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Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 [Re: Anonymous] #275974
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Madlax is only $750 for spring I was a little off. All the cost are on the website clear for you to read.


So every season is a separate payment. Do the boys have to tryout for each separate season, or is that only once per year?

I am not sure most of these clubs even have what I would call tryouts anymore. They have a few practices in August that they sometimes charge money for. Usually it is a practice with the kids already on the team. After they list the roster they try to add a few more kids in late september who left another club. If you on Madlax you will make a team and find out later which team. They may call them tryouts but they are not what they appear to be.

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Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 [Re: Anonymous] #275981
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Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Let's talk reality. Anyone that is foolish enough to repeat a grade for lacrosse reasons is not an elite player that quality schools are going to be chasing after. By Junior year it will all level out. Kids that didn't have to drop back will still be the class of the field. Unless you are chasing UMBC or High Point, your kid is better off hitting the books than taking a lap. Anyone that thinks otherwise is chasing a pipe dream that some greedy club owner created in order to convince delusional parents to pay $795 a season to play club lacrosse.


Think about it. If a child can’t compete successfully against kids his own age, to the extent that he has to play with kids a year younger than him, he is not a good player. Obviously. The good player is the kid that can compete successfully against kids his age as well as kids a year older. Dah!

But it may help line the pockets of the club that he is playing with. No down side for them.


This is just not true check the ages of the AA under armor team the leaked a year or two ago guessing 85% of those kids where 12 to 16 months older then what we in VA would call on age. The elite kids are from private schools overall and those kids are older. Private schools want boys to start at age 6 not 5 or even 4 like public school boys. This is a fact not a secret. Then throw in the ability to afford a extra year of private school in 8th grade they end up on top. Do all reclass kids end up at the top of the class no, but are 80% of the top kids of each class older yes this is a fact has been true for at least 6 years and will not stop anytime soon.


You like stats. Here are all the stats you need. If your kid isn’t good enough to play with kids his own age, then this sport is not for him, no matter how many times you want to hold him back. He ain’t good! The on-age kids excelling against on-age kids and older, are today and tomorrow’s big time players. Regurgitate all the stats you want, but you may want to just try some common sense!



Look for the speedy on-age kids running circles around the other kids. Lacrosse is all about speed. If your kid can't run a sub-5.0 40, you can give up the D1 dream now. Holding back a kid might give them a temporary size advantage, but it is not going to make them faster.

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Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 [Re: Anonymous] #275985
11/07/18 05:42 PM
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Let's talk reality. Anyone that is foolish enough to repeat a grade for lacrosse reasons is not an elite player that quality schools are going to be chasing after. By Junior year it will all level out. Kids that didn't have to drop back will still be the class of the field. Unless you are chasing UMBC or High Point, your kid is better off hitting the books than taking a lap. Anyone that thinks otherwise is chasing a pipe dream that some greedy club owner created in order to convince delusional parents to pay $795 a season to play club lacrosse.


Think about it. If a child can’t compete successfully against kids his own age, to the extent that he has to play with kids a year younger than him, he is not a good player. Obviously. The good player is the kid that can compete successfully against kids his age as well as kids a year older. Dah!

But it may help line the pockets of the club that he is playing with. No down side for them.


This is just not true check the ages of the AA under armor team the leaked a year or two ago guessing 85% of those kids where 12 to 16 months older then what we in VA would call on age. The elite kids are from private schools overall and those kids are older. Private schools want boys to start at age 6 not 5 or even 4 like public school boys. This is a fact not a secret. Then throw in the ability to afford a extra year of private school in 8th grade they end up on top. Do all reclass kids end up at the top of the class no, but are 80% of the top kids of each class older yes this is a fact has been true for at least 6 years and will not stop anytime soon.


You like stats. Here are all the stats you need. If your kid isn’t good enough to play with kids his own age, then this sport is not for him, no matter how many times you want to hold him back. He ain’t good! The on-age kids excelling against on-age kids and older, are today and tomorrow’s big time players. Regurgitate all the stats you want, but you may want to just try some common sense!



Look for the speedy on-age kids running circles around the other kids. Lacrosse is all about speed. If your kid can't run a sub-5.0 40, you can give up the D1 dream now. Holding back a kid might give them a temporary size advantage, but it is not going to make them faster.

Stop already with quoting the football stats. You sound like a dad who has never played this game. It is the fastest game on two feet but quickness and lax IQ are not measured with a 40 time. Coaches watch games and know if they can play or not.

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Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 [Re: TM@BOTC] #276003
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You are correct if you are on age and playing well you are in a great spot. But you can not argue with the fact that the top kids going to the top schools are private school kids who are 12 months to 18 months older then a "on age" kid. Its like saying you do not have to be really tall to play in the NBA look at Spud Webb!
So I do not need stats to say a older player is getting D1 roster spots over on age kids more times then not.

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Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 [Re: Anonymous] #276015
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You are correct if you are on age and playing well you are in a great spot. But you can not argue with the fact that the top kids going to the top schools are private school kids who are 12 months to 18 months older then a "on age" kid. Its like saying you do not have to be really tall to play in the NBA look at Spud Webb!
So I do not need stats to say a older player is getting D1 roster spots over on age kids more times then not.


In other words, you just realized that you humiliated your kid by putting him back a year in school and wasted a year of his life, all because he’s not a great 7th grade lacrosse player. Way to go Dad! I’m sure he’ll thank you in a few years, when he’s riding the pines, after walking on to that horrible D3 lax team somewhere in the Deep Deep South.

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You are correct if you are on age and playing well you are in a great spot. But you can not argue with the fact that the top kids going to the top schools are private school kids who are 12 months to 18 months older then a "on age" kid. Its like saying you do not have to be really tall to play in the NBA look at Spud Webb!
So I do not need stats to say a older player is getting D1 roster spots over on age kids more times then not.


In other words, you just realized that you humiliated your kid by putting him back a year in school and wasted a year of his life, all because he’s not a great 7th grade lacrosse player. Way to go Dad! I’m sure he’ll thank you in a few years, when he’s riding the pines, after walking on to that horrible D3 lax team somewhere in the Deep Deep South.

That is not a all the truth if my son is good to really good with on age players and I hold him back a year in one of the three ways it can be done the math proves he is way more likely to get a top D1 roster spot. I did not hold my son back I do not have the money to pull this off. But he is 17 years old now and going to play College lacrosse next year. But I promise you if we had held him back he would be at the top of the D1 list of names. If he is on the bottom of the D1 schools list now " we have a roster spot for him but we are out of Athletic aid." Then its not hard to see if we had held him back one year. He would be getting D1 money? I am still not going to hold my younger son back but I do feel a need to post on here to inform people that the hold back advantage never goes away that kid has a huge advantage. It only goes away maybe 2nd or 3rd year of college.

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Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 [Re: Anonymous] #276028
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You are correct if you are on age and playing well you are in a great spot. But you can not argue with the fact that the top kids going to the top schools are private school kids who are 12 months to 18 months older then a "on age" kid. Its like saying you do not have to be really tall to play in the NBA look at Spud Webb!
So I do not need stats to say a older player is getting D1 roster spots over on age kids more times then not.


In other words, you just realized that you humiliated your kid by putting him back a year in school and wasted a year of his life, all because he’s not a great 7th grade lacrosse player. Way to go Dad! I’m sure he’ll thank you in a few years, when he’s riding the pines, after walking on to that horrible D3 lax team somewhere in the Deep Deep South.

That is not a all the truth if my son is good to really good with on age players and I hold him back a year in one of the three ways it can be done the math proves he is way more likely to get a top D1 roster spot. I did not hold my son back I do not have the money to pull this off. But he is 17 years old now and going to play College lacrosse next year. But I promise you if we had held him back he would be at the top of the D1 list of names. If he is on the bottom of the D1 schools list now " we have a roster spot for him but we are out of Athletic aid." Then its not hard to see if we had held him back one year. He would be getting D1 money? I am still not going to hold my younger son back but I do feel a need to post on here to inform people that the hold back advantage never goes away that kid has a huge advantage. It only goes away maybe 2nd or 3rd year of college.


PG Year seems better than holding back in 7th grade. Compete against older kids and then when you're more mature pick up that extra year to become more appealing to a college coach. Of course any review of the financials and impact this and the holdback approach will clearly show that the only ROI is based on appeasing the ego of the parents. The scholarship money is a pittance while the long term earning power does not justify the means. I have no issue with my son playing against holdbacks. HAve never understood the parents that enjoy playing against younger kids.

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Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 [Re: TM@BOTC] #276034
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As I see it: if your kid is playing HoCo elite, and he is a holdback, he is on-age.
If he is playing HoCo elite, and he is on-age, then he is playing up.
If he is playing HoCo AA, and he is a holdback, then you are a lost.
If he is on-age and you don't like him playing holdbacks, find an AA team and shut your trap.

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Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 [Re: Anonymous] #276037
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
As I see it: if your kid is playing HoCo elite, and he is a holdback, he is on-age.
If he is playing HoCo elite, and he is on-age, then he is playing up.
If he is playing HoCo AA, and he is a holdback, then you are a lost.
If he is on-age and you don't like him playing holdbacks, find an AA team and shut your trap.


Take this drama to the Hold back Forum.

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Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 [Re: TM@BOTC] #276396
11/13/18 04:56 PM
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Madlax won NAL, beat all the LI teams and not a word here?

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Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 [Re: TM@BOTC] #276398
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Hoco rankings for next season
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Re: Boys 2024-7th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 [Re: Anonymous] #276402
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Hoco rankings for next season
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91 and Madlax will be the class of the field. Big drop off to everyone else. Madlax has changed a lot since last year. Last year the main scoring threats were 24 and 19. 24 left to play 2023 but Madlax added some obvious holdbacks that are even bigger.

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