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Use this thread to discuss the Girls 2025-6th Grade Fall 2018/Summer 2019 Season

anyword on if HOCO is still having a team?

Why wouldn't HOCO have a team?

HoCo will definitely have a team and perhaps two at the 2025 level

not sure if they have enough signed up for tryouts for two teams.

Any updates on tryout numbers for Heros and MD United? Do we see any major roster shake ups?

Hoco will have 1 2025 team, they will have 2 2024 teams ... over 60 girls at that age group for tryouts.

HOCO parent - daughter attended M&D tryouts last night. The amount of talent on the field was unreal. Wouldn’t be surprised their Red team doesn’t try to play A.

Why play on a B team then

You’d be crazy to go back to HoCo if thats the case

The 25 M&D team is terrific, although almost a third of them actually would be below average if they played at age.

The only almost a third on that team is kids that turn 11 this summer.

Do you know all of the birthdays of all the players on the team to make that statement? Doubt it, so stfu. You sound like nothing more than a disgruntled postal worker.

Seems like it is Hoco and M&D's time to take some incoming. Questioning of enough player innuendo and backhanded compliments of holdbacks? Really? 6th grade lacrosse heating up the message boards. How about some shots on Heros? MDUnited?

Long Island parent here.....I hate the age excuse that LI parents use. If you don’t like it, don’t go down and play them. We’re the stunads who don’t organize leagues on Long Island umongst our own travel teams because of selfish club owners. MD parents / clubs are outsmarting LI clubs. No hotels, no traffic, significantly less money....,.they bring us down, kick our butts and are at the bch 20 minutes after their last game.

And your vast experience through grade 5 is what your basing these comments on. Please stop.....You know not what you are talking about.

The holdbacks are a boy thing, although the coed schools have some pre-first programs, it’s just a way to get another year of tuition out of a family rather than them having to admit that they held their son back a year or started late.
It’s a weak argument.

There needs to be more competitve clubs. YJ and M&D winning every tourney does not bode well for club lacrosse. As for age group corruption-I have not seen much on the girls side. The boys side -no comment

M&D Parent here.. Hero's and LBC will both be challenging for tourney and the NGLL championships. Not sure why they aren't getting any love/hate on this board.

You are delusional if you think it’s just a boy thing.

i refuse to go down to maryland while kid is in elementary school. no value. Also, why not just stop going and break the cycle? why don’t teams come to LI? is Maryland more central for teams in the east? Out of state teams do come to LI. See that girls HS tournament at CSH High school

If you think girls are being held back and repeating grades in middle school for lacrosse purposes you are the delusional one.

If they do change it to age based. I hope they make it September 1st cutoff so kids can stay with there school year players. The soccer use of Jan 1 kind of stinks as you are usually have 2 grade levels per year.

I know of a set of twins that repeated 8th grade this past year for lacrosse purposes.

My daughter plays on M&D 25 and is a summer 2007 birthday, and from what I see, there are a bunch of summer 2007 birthdays on this team

As it should be. No kid born in 2006 should be playing on a 2025 team.

Can you do math. 2006 birthday is a 11-12 yo which is fine for 2025 about to be 6th grader

My 2006 daughter is in 7th grade

25's can be 11 or 12 if they make cutoff date. Not a conspiracy-move on.

Lol you couldnt expose yourself as more of a clown if you wore a red nose and giant shoes .... 06's can be in 6th grade without being held back. Cut off date is September 1. My daughter is a Nov 06 and went to school on time. Nice try yucko.

I am so tired of this conversation .....

if you're child turned 12 before August 31st 2018 and is playing in the 25's ....... they are playing "DOWN".

If your child turned 13 before Aug 31st 2018 and they are playing in the 24's ..... they are playing "DOWN".

If your child turned 14 before Aug 31st 2018 and they are playing in the 23's .... they are playing "DOWN"

If your child turned 11 before August 31st, 2018 and the are playing in the 26's ..... they are playing "DOWN"

etc, etc, etc... this applies through every graduation year !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The only kids born in 2006 that should be playing 25's are kids with birthday from 9/1/06 to 12/31/06. Anyone born in 2005 or from 1/1/06 - 8/31/06 is playing "DOWN"

Your child who was 12 years old over the season was playing against some kids that were just turning 11. My nephew's team had a boy on it who turned 13 last September and some of his teammate had just turned 11 that summer (July & Aug birthdays). That made him 22 months older than some kids on his team. That's a huge difference. Not all kids playing down have that much of an age advantage - but it is still an advantage to be older than most of your teammates/opponents.

Apply that all the way up and down the graduation years/age groups. The difference isn't as evident when the kids are in 2nd,3rd,4th grades but it really shows in middle school - especially for the girls. Eventually all kids that continue to HS Lax need to play with kids other than their graduation year - that's undeniable. But - as long as club continues to play by graduation year only regardless of age this problem will persist. And I don't even know that I consider it a "problem". It's just how it is.

The are many reasons why kids are started late/held back/reclassified, etc.. And all of those reason are valid and ok if they work for your family. But no matter what the reason for your child not being in the same grade as everyone else their age ---- for lacrosse purposes your child is playing "DOWN" - don't deny the fact that kids playing "DOWN" gain an advantage.

I think thay's why people get so riled up about it. No one is blaming or picking on kids who are playing down. But - the parents of the kids who are playing "DOWN" won't admit it is an advantage.


Again - it all evens out heading to high school but for the younger kids/teams it is definitely an advantage. Maybe the discussion needs to be held about going to calendar year age groups like soccer but no one in lacrosse seems interested in that.

Did you take a deep breath once you were done writing all of this? Do you feel better? 🙄

It's still true ... long winded or not

No they were not. You are so dramatic because your team can't win. Girls are not held back for "lacrosse" purposes. You all really need to get over this excuse. It makes you look petty.

Well my kid's team wins - alot - like almost all the time. So I don't need or have an excuse. And I'm not dramatic. And I still agree with the above posters about playing down. While kids may not be held back specifically or only for lacrosse or other sports it sure does help them.

Well look at that. How grown up of you to admit that they were not held back for "lacrosse purpose". That's the first step in the world of, not spreading false information (and less dramatic). I am happy that your kids team wins a lot. Especially since they don't have any girls held back. At least for the purpose of lacrosse.

And I did not disagree with the statement above. BUT....

It is freaking girls lacrosse. No one holds them back for the sole purpose of lacrosse.


Slither back over to your LI site and join their chat about how Maryland cheats.

Please don't send her back. We don't want her.

played M&D 2021 red and now play for M&D 2022 Black, not even from MD.

Nice try. Your information is incorrect. They played up the year they played 21

Not correct. They switched to a private school and repeated a grade.

Absolutely switched to private school and repeated a grade. M&D leadership encouraged and approved of the move 100%.

Yes, they did switch from public to private. They did not repeat. Their birthdays are after Sept 1.

First of all, you are an absolute turd for calling out and highlighting teenage girls, on a public website, for the sole purpose of defending your very weak argument together.

Secondly, it does not seem like it was for a "lacrosse purpose". It sounds like it was an academic transition reason (or they played up a year!!!). So not only are you WRONG with your story again (which leads us back to you spreading false information and being dramatic), but you also pointed out teenage girls personal struggles on a public forum.

You should really stop and just go back to sorting through the pictures of your daughters team winning "a lot-like all the time" photos so you can get those uploaded onto Shutterfly.

You have no idea what you are talking about. They played up when they played on 2021. They are out of state players who contacted M&D for a supp tryout. At the time there was no room on the 2022 teams, but there were open roster spots on the 21 Red team, told they could play for 21 Red but would have to tryout for their correct grad year the following season, and they did. There was no “move” for M&D to encourage or approve. They did not reclass. Their birthdays are the end of Sept and they just turned 15. And they no longer play for M&D. Get a life.

First, not calling out teenage girls, this was the parents decision. Second, this is not confidential nor a secret. If you know folks in Charlotte it is well known that when they switched from public school to private school (for the second time) they repeated a grade. No secret, no drama, a decision the parents made and it was for lacrosse purposes. Now attend one of the best private schools in NC, no academic issues. Perhaps, you really believe what you wrote, perhaps this is the story the parents told folks on the sideline in MD and maybe even told M&D leadership that story. The simple already public truth for anyone that knows them from their home town is they repeated a grade.

You care way too much about these players, as well as being right it seems. They celebrated their 15th birthdays two weeks ago. They are on age for 9th grade. So they are not holdbacks. End of discussion.

Why is any of this on a 2025 forum?

Just prefer the truth. Never posted about this before and it was done a couple of years ago. But when you come on here and lie about it... In terms of being on age, maybe in MD but not their home town. Switched to 2022 to be the oldest in the grade and all the advantageous that go along with it on the lacrosse field. Again, parents decision not on the kids. I’ll stop with the truth that everyone in their home town already knows when you stop trying to defend it.

Any thoughts on the 2025's ? I am sure someone is cheating in 6th grade also.

why are you talking about 22s and 15 year olds in the 2025 forum? unless you plan on holding your daughter back a few more years, i'm sure she would dominate!

I know you were being funny when you asked if any 25's were cheating .... and no the 25's aren't cheating but yes there are 25's (for whatever reason - won't argue the reason cause that one parent will tell me to slither away) should really be in 24's. That's where this whole discussion started. How it got to the 22's and out of state girls who knows. But to answer your questions..... YES there's girls in the 25's not playing girls their own age

Maybe better to hold back in 5th grade before earning a reputation, see saga of NC twins above, then to double up 8th grade. For the other players, league integrity and fairness probably best to hold back at 8th grade. Physical difference between 9th and 8th less pronounced then between 7th and 6th I would bet. So if we are going to have grade based play, I would say best to holdback a player repeating 8th grade. Maybe younger then 8th grade you should play on the Sept 1st grade you would be normally assigned.
Aged based on Sept 1st cutoff would solve all problems with junior year high school being repeatable, for those who holdback. Most kids would play on age and grade except for their junior year in high school when there would be a few holdbacks coming onto teams.

Just shut up about this crap. People are not holding kids back for the sole purpose of girls lacrosse. Period!!! Does that say that NO one has or would? Not at all. Does it mean that a kid that's older and bigger will not perform...sure. But this constant banter, making it sound as if it is prevalent, is baloney. If a kid is struggling in school or is transferring in from a different system, that does not constitute holding a kid back for "lacrosse purposes".

And honestly, what is your point? That someone is better than your kid or they beat your team with a "holdback"? Did someone steal playing time from your kid? This thread is getting pitiful with your refusing to be wrong with this sad saga.


It's girls lacrosse. Get over yourselves.

Snack time tomorrow

M&D Black smoked FCA, HOCO and Coppermine and beat Yellow Jackets

Great. Congratulations M&D Dad. You must be so proud. Nothing better than winning 6th grade lacrosse games. M&D should smoke FCA, HOCO and Coppermine. No surprise there.

Got Salty.

No, I'm not salty at all. In fact, my daughter plays for M&D. It's just pointless to make a post that M&D smoked 3 inferior teams. It would have been shocking if they hadn't.

Hero's Green upgraded their roster this summer, and looking to come after M&D!! should be a fun game.

Guess you aren't aware that M&D added talent as well?

Clash of the titans! When do they play?

It will still be snack time

Just go home M&D Dad. We get it, your team is great!!

Signed

2018 - NGLL Champs 2025 Division

6th graders-is this really what is happening

Just like a Heros dad. See you Sunday dude.

Snack time is done
The table is set
Time for the whole meal

That was tasty!!

Snack Time!!

Hero's Dad

Great weekend of lacrosse for this age group. Hero's and M&D gave us a preview of what to expect this season. Hopefully they both can take care of their brackets next week and do it again on Sunday.

Hi
Just posting on this board because it’s the busiest...
Daughter plays for a Maryland club team (don’t want to say age group). We have lots of athletic girls and we have been pretty subpar/stagnant the past few years.
There is a good coach in our club who has the 2019 team. She she will age out soon.
What chance do we have for her to take over our team? I don’t really want to say what year we are...
What grade is too late for a coach to come in and take it over? Is eighth grade too old/late to get a new coach? How about ninth grade/fall?

19's should be done anyway

Season is less than a month out. Have NEMS, HoCO and Skywalkers improved enough to contend? Can LBC pull off another upset? Is it just a 2 dog race between M&D and Hero's?

Mostly like a 2 dog race. Don't see many teams giving Heros and M&D a challenge. Seems like its an arms race, and the top players from other clubs are joining these clubs.

Agreed, my daughter plays one of the 2 teams mentioned. It would be nice to see a team from AA, Harford or another county/area close the gap. Otherwise its going to be a long season of lopsided games.

What do you chalk up the difference between the top 2 teams vs the rest assuming it is multifactorial? How would you weigh the inputs vs second rank teams(LBC, NEMS, HOCO, Skywalkers)? What makes them better?

1)Coaching
2)Players intangibles(talent not skill- Bigger, faster, stronger, or older?) hard to change these
3)Players skill
4)Player field awareness
5)Goalie skill

I guess
5%, 60%, 20%, 5%, 10%

these are 6th graders...get over yourselves.

Coaching certainly is a factor but talent and depth is the difference. For top teams in general there is typically little drop off from 1st string to 2nd. In addition there are instances where players are willing to switch positions to play for better teams. This happens a lot for middies moving to d. All of the teams mentioned for the most part have really good individual players but typically have weaknesses across the 1st line. Then when you get to the 2nd line the talent takes a hit. This is the same for any sport, whether boys or girls.

Coaching is way more than that. There are analytics showing college basketball coaches have up to a 20% influence on wins vs losses. Coach K is worth 6 wins a year. It was estimated Joe Gibbs was worth 2 wins a year for the Redskins.

Thanks you pretentious db.

Sound a little bitter... Maybe you should workout with your daughter so she can crack the 2nd line and you can fit in your yoga tights this spring.

good one dips**t

College lacrosse coaching is much more valuable than travel. A culture is created at each college-either positive or toxic. Travel is about throwing girls out there on middie lines to impress coaches by forcing to goal and showing off. Teams with the best middies usually win. I could replace all the M&D and YJ coaches with parents that coach at midlevel teams ansd the results would be similar.

I'll disagree unless you replace every team's coaches with parent coaches. Good coaches, parent or not, attract better players and then all the other things take place: line depth, player skills and so on.

Agree-we have an amazing parent/ coach and our team is improving dramatically each year. He has also produced a positive club culture for the parents and that is becoming very important.

Coaching is so important at this age. My daughter went from a dad Coach who never played, to a mom coach who just happened to play and coach at the D1 level. Practices are focused, drills are specific, and the growth is tremendous. Meanwhile the old team with dad coach still scrimmages for 90% of the practice because he doesn’t know any drills and the team struggles

We had the opposite experience . Our mom d1 coach was not very good-only in it to make $$$ . We are now with a dad coach who is fantastic with a tons of girls trying to get on the team each year. The point is that the coach is ciritical. I prefer the coach not be as entrepeneurial and into player development.

It helps if the highly qualified coach also has a daughter on the team

NEMS ties Hero's and loses by one to HoCO. Nice to see a team on the rise.

Hard to see NEMS being in top 4. LBC 2-0 start helps, M&D, HOCO, Hero's, Pride and Skywalkers favorites for the top 4? How would you rank out the top 4?

My guess is that M&D and NEMs will finish 1 &2 in their division and LBC and Hero's in the other. Skywalkers and HoCo would round out the top 6.

Were literally 1 week into the season. Do we really already need to start ranking 12 year old girls? Let's not forget the M & D upset last year. Goes to show it can truly be anyones game. Just enjoy the journey and support the girls talents

We're week 1 into the season, do we really already need to start ranking 12 year old girls? Let's not forget about the M & D playoff upset last season. Goes to show it can truly be anyone's game/season. Just enjoy the season and appreciate the girls talent.

Lighten up buttercup. If you and your daughter aren’t up for the competition discussion jump back to rec and save yourself a thousand bucks.

How can anyone forget that game? I think I still hear the LBC coach yelling just to hear herself.

Impulse Lax tourney schedule up for summer. Looks like LBC and MD United dropping down to sandbag and avoid the top teams.

Sandbagging at the 6th grade level. Beautiful.

Can NEMS win out? Only 4 teams make the playoffs at 2025? Will 5-2-1be enough to get in the top 4?

Unfortunately for NEMS, Sky Walkers will finish 6-2 (unless Sky Walkers can beat NEMS, which would make it 7-1).

Probably not, Skywalkers got handed a cupcake schedule on their crossover games. they will probably end up 6-2, if they lose to MND and NEMS. They also don't have to leave the beltway. Seems like all of the skywalkers teams don't leave the beltway.

Sky walkers will also have to get past Pride 2025.

If NEMS beats SW the Pride game will be huge for both teams.

NEMS beat TLC 15 - 0

Sky Walkers got spanked all over field by M & D (lost 19 - 1) on Saturday, but then beat Coppermine 16 -4 on Sunday. We'll have to play more consistent to beat NEMS and Pride.

I predict 3 spots are taken M&D, LBC and Hero's. The last spot probably will take 6 wins. I am going to say Pride wins last 4 games to sneak into playoffs with tiebreaker head to head vs HOCO.

SW took at BEATDOWN from MND, looks like a 1 horse race again this year!

I believe 2 teams from both divisions make the playoffs. MnD is a lock for the north with NEMS and Skywalkers playing for the 2nd seed. I think NEMS is the better of the 2 teams but just got handed a tough schedule (both Hero's, HoCo and MnD). Assuming they win out they will need help to get in. In the south Hero's looks to be the favorite with 4 more teams battling it out for 2nd (Or possibly 1st).

That is what M&D thought last year.

You could almost say that SW got the harder schedule. NEMS just barely lost to HOCO and SW has to play NEMS. Pride beat HOCO and SW has to play them. SW already played MND.

I think the rules say top four teams. Not top 2 from each division.

I just reread the rule and you are correct. Though that is odd especially since there are 2 divisions. This should make things very interesting for the teams battling out of the last 2-3 spots.