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RANK SCHOOL CONFERENCE RECORD ROAD NEUTRAL HOME NON DIV I
1 Boston College ACC 16-0 8-0 0-0 8-0 0-0
2 Maryland Big Ten 14-1 7-1 0-0 7-0 0-0
3 North Carolina ACC 11-3 4-2 1-0 6-1 0-0
4 Florida Big East 11-3 4-1 0-0 7-2 0-0
5 James Madison CAA 13-1 5-1 1-0 7-0 0-0
6 Northwestern Big Ten 12-3 3-1 0-0 9-2 0-0
7 Penn Ivy League 10-2 5-0 0-0 5-2 0-0
8 Stony Brook America East 14-0 7-0 1-0 6-0 0-0
9 Towson CAA 12-2 6-2 0-0 6-0 0-0
10 Loyola Maryland Patriot 10-3 4-2 0-0 6-1 0-0
11 Dartmouth Ivy League 8-3 6-2 0-0 2-1 0-0
12 Navy Patriot 11-3 4-2 1-0 6-1 0-0
13 Colorado Pac-12 11-4 4-4 1-0 6-0 0-0
14 Virginia ACC 9-6 4-3 0-0 5-3 0-0
15 Georgetown Big East 9-4 4-2 0-0 5-2 0-0
16 Virginia Tech ACC 11-5 3-4 0-0 8-1 0-0
17 Stanford Pac-12 12-4 5-2 0-0 7-2 0-0
18 Princeton Ivy League 7-5 6-1 0-0 1-4 0-0
19 Johns Hopkins Big Ten 8-6 2-4 0-0 6-2 0-0
20 Massachusetts Atlantic 10 11-3 5-2 1-1 5-0 0-0
21 Richmond Atlantic 10 12-2 6-2 0-0 6-0 0-0
22 Southern California Pac-12 8-7 3-4 0-1 5-2 0-0
23 Syracuse ACC 8-7 3-4 2-0 3-3 0-0
24 Penn St. Big Ten 9-5 5-2 0-0 4-3 0-0
25 Denver Big East 9-4 3-2 0-0 6-2 0-0

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IWLCA Poll for Division I, April 23
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Stony Brook 15-0 620 20 1
2 Boston College 17-0 603 5 2
3 Maryland 15-1 577 3
4 James Madison 15-1 550 4
5 North Carolina 12-3 525 5
6 Florida 13-3 486 6
7 Northwestern 13-3 473 7
8 Towson 13-2 462 8
9 Loyola 12-3 407 10
10 Penn 11-2 402 9
11 Navy 13-3 363 11
12 Virginia Tech 12-5 348 14
13 Stanford 13-4 317 13
14 Colorado 12-4 306 15
15 Virginia 9-8 256 12
16 Penn State 9-6 234 17
17 Syracuse 9-8 218 16
18 Princeton 8-5 199 18
19 High Point 14-2 175 19
20 Southern California 9-7 133 21
21 Dartmouth 10-3 117 23
22 Duke 7-8 84 22
23 Notre Dame 9-8 83 20
24 Georgetown 11-4 66 23
25 Johns Hopkins 9-6 61 25

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IWLCA Poll for Division II, April 23
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Adelphi 14-1 602 16 1
2 Lindenwood 15-0 594 2 2
3 Le Moyne 15-0 592 7 3
4 Florida Southern 17-1 556 4
5 Florida Tech 15-1 524 5
6 Rollins 14-3 491 6
7 LIU Post 12-3 467 7
8 West Chester 15-0 450 9
9 Limestone 14-2 438 8
10 Mercy 12-2 394 10
11 Regis (CO) 13-3 369 11
12 Indianapolis 12-3 339 12
13 Grand Valley State 12-4 327 13
14 Pace 11-4 291 14
15 Merrimack 11-4 248 15
16 Tampa 12-5 232 16
17 NYIT 11-4 214 17
18 East Stroudsburg 11-2 209 18
19 Bentley 8-5 175 19
20 New Haven 10-5 162 20
21 Mercyhurst 9-5 89 22
22 Lock Haven 10-5 85 23
23 Indiana (PA) 8-5 65 21
24 Tiffin 10-6 53 24
25 Assumption 8-6 34 25

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IWLCA Poll for Division III, April 23
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 College of New Jersey 13-2 617 21 3
2 Amherst 13-1 574 4 4
3 Salisbury 15-1 563 1
4 Gettysburg 12-2 539 2
5 York 12-3 538 7
6 Middlebury 12-2 491 8
7 Franklin & Marshall 13-3 485 5
8 Tufts 11-3 442 6
9 Mary Washington 13-3 428 9
10 Washington & Lee 12-4 389 10
11 Trinity (CT) 10-4 373 11
12 Messiah 12-3 351 12
13 Bowdoin 11-3 333 13
14 Wesleyan (CT) 9-5 286 14
15 Catholic (DC) 10-5 250 17
16 Colby 8-6 236 16
17 William Smith 11-4 214 18
18 Cortland 11-4 206 19
19 Ithaca 11-4 151 20
20 St. John Fisher 12-2 149 24
21 Rowan 11-2 141 21
22 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 16-1 122 22
23 Geneseo 11-3 94 15
24 Stevens 11-4 78 23
25 Washington College 12-3 19 NR

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So where did everyone go?

I find it funny that once you have to register, which is anonymous by design, the thread goes silent. Which would leave me to discount anything that has been said in the past by hiding behind “anonymous”. It’s all very silly and cowardly.

Register and post comments. This makes the lacrosse community look bad.

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So where did everyone go?

I find it funny that once you have to register, which is anonymous by design, the thread goes silent. Which would leave me to discount anything that has been said in the past by hiding behind “anonymous”. It’s all very silly and cowardly.

Register and post comments. This makes the lacrosse community look bad.


I agree. I’ve been here and on BOTN for years. You can remain as anon as you want to be even while registered. I’ll further posit that it’d everyone had a handle, the conversation would be easier to follow.

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Stony Brook’s weakness is the same as opening day—-midfield. Against most teams they can compensate with their strengths. However there are a few (very few) who can outclass them with strong midfields. Having said that they should be playing at home in the Final Four.


Having now seen SBU easily handle PSU.

Maryland beat Northwestern

And most of ACC tournament.

IMO, SBU, UNC, MD and BC are the top 4 teams moving into the NCAA Tournament.

The next level: (no particular order)

UF
JMU
Towson
VATech
NU
Colorado
Stanford
Loyola
Princeton

So much will depend on brackets. I would be surprised if my top 4 aren't playing Memorial Day weekend.

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I think your top four will be seeds 1-4 (BC, MD, SBU, NC, in that order) will be in NY for the Final Four. If my order is correct that would be a MD/SBU semi-final which would be great.

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IWLCA Poll for Division I, April 30
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Stony Brook 17-0 624 24 1
2 Maryland 16-1 594 1 3
3 North Carolina 15-3 561 5
4 Boston College 19-1 551 2
5 James Madison 16-1 540 4
6 Florida 14-3 487 6
7 Northwestern 13-4 471 7
8 Towson 14-3 451 8
9 Loyola 14-3 425 9
10 Navy 14-3 386 11
11 Stanford 15-4 365 13
12 Virginia Tech 13-6 348 12
13 Penn 12-3 319 10
14 Colorado 13-5 303 14
15 Princeton 10-5 301 18
16 Virginia 9-9 201 15
17 Syracuse 9-9 199 17
18 High Point 15-2 198 19
19 Penn State 9-8 140 16
20 Notre Dame 10-9 136 23
21 Southern California 10-8 132 20
22 Georgetown 12-5 106 24
23 Johns Hopkins 10-7 98 25
24 Dartmouth 11-4 79 21
25 Duke 7-9 75 22

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IWLCA Poll for Division II, April 30
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Adelphi 16-1 616 20 1
2 Lindenwood 17-0 598 4 2
3 Florida Southern 19-1 568 1 4
4 Le Moyne 16-1 559 3
5 Florida Tech 16-2 521 5
6 West Chester 17-0 496 8
7 Rollins 14-4 451 6
8 Limestone 17-2 450 9
9 LIU Post 12-5 411 7
10 Mercy 13-3 372 10
11 Regis (CO) 14-3 365 11
12 Indianapolis 14-3 341 12
13 Grand Valley State 13-4 330 13
14 East Stroudsburg 13-2 299 18
15 Pace 13-4 283 14
16 Merrimack 13-4 256 15
17 NYIT 13-4 219 17
18 Tampa 12-6 216 16
19 New Haven 12-5 162 20
20 Bentley 9-6 142 19
21 Mercyhurst 11-5 119 21
22 Lock Haven 12-5 95 22
23 Tiffin 11-6 62 24
24 Indiana (PA) 9-6 61 23
25 Slippery Rock 13-4 25 NR
25 Assumption 9-7 25 25

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IWLCA Poll for Division III, April 30
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 College of New Jersey 15-2 622 23 1
2 Amherst 15-1 601 1 2
3 Salisbury 16-1 576 1 3
4 Gettysburg 14-2 548 4
5 York 13-3 523 5
6 Middlebury 14-2 502 6
7 Franklin & Marshall 15-3 478 7
8 Mary Washington 15-3 434 9
9 Washington & Lee 13-4 406 10
9 Trinity (CT) 11-5 406 11
11 Tufts 12-4 395 8
12 Messiah 13-3 350 12
13 Bowdoin 12-4 324 13
14 Wesleyan (CT) 10-6 292 14
15 Catholic (DC) 11-6 270 15
16 William Smith 12-4 238 17
17 Colby 9-7 220 16
18 Cortland 13-4 208 18
19 Ithaca 13-4 186 19
20 St. John Fisher 15-2 149 20
21 Rowan 13-2 129 21
22 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 17-1 106 22
23 Geneseo 13-3 73 23
24 Stevens 13-4 58 24
25 Washington College 13-4 18 25

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I think your top four will be seeds 1-4 (BC, MD, SBU, NC, in that order) will be in NY for the Final Four. If my order is correct that would be a MD/SBU semi-final which would be great.


With UNC beating BC on Sunday, does BC drop to the #2 overall? Possibly a match vs #3 SBU? Then either team in final vs MD (if they can bounce back and beat UNC). Should answer questions about where BC and SBU stand on National stage... BC game vs UNC exposed some weaknesses. Really looking forward to Memorial Day/Championship Weekend!

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I think your top four will be seeds 1-4 (BC, MD, SBU, NC, in that order) will be in NY for the Final Four. If my order is correct that would be a MD/SBU semi-final which would be great.


With UNC beating BC on Sunday, does BC drop to the #2 overall? Possibly a match vs #3 SBU? Then either team in final vs MD (if they can bounce back and beat UNC). Should answer questions about where BC and SBU stand on National stage... BC game vs UNC exposed some weaknesses. Really looking forward to Memorial Day/Championship Weekend!


It's possible. I was really hoping SBU path would go MD the BC but BC then MD ok as well. I will at all games come Memorial Day weekend!

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Stony Brook gets a #5 seed, a bit lower than I thought but the schedule will always be a factor. They will need to beat Penn (my guess) then probably BC. It's not going to be easy.

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Stony Brook gets a #5 seed, a bit lower than I thought but the schedule will always be a factor. They will need to beat Penn (my guess) then probably BC. It's not going to be easy.


Want to be the best, you have to beat the best. I expected to have them play BC, MD and/or UNC. A tough road but there are tough games for all the top teams. Colorado, NW, Navy in those brackets are tough outs.

No doubt some exciting Lacrosse!!!

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Tough road for SB - might have to take down Penn, BC, MD and UNC. Does anyone think that is possible?

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Tough road for SB - might have to take down Penn, BC, MD and UNC. Does anyone think that is possible?


I think SBU will be fine against Penn/Penn State winner.

I think they match up well w/ BC as long as SBU can limit BC fast break goals. They are good against teams that feed from behind the goal. SBU offense should be able to expose BC defense as UNC did in ACC final.

MD vs SBU should be exciting. No reason SBU can't win. MD has shown that they can be beat 1v1 on D.

In my opinion UNC could be the toughest match up for them. As athletic on O and on D.

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Tough road for SB - might have to take down Penn, BC, MD and UNC. Does anyone think that is possible?


I think SBU will be fine against Penn/Penn State winner.

I think they match up well w/ BC as long as SBU can limit BC fast break goals. They are good against teams that feed from behind the goal. SBU offense should be able to expose BC defense as UNC did in ACC final.

MD vs SBU should be exciting. No reason SBU can't win. MD has shown that they can be beat 1v1 on D.

In my opinion UNC could be the toughest match up for them. As athletic on O and on D.




I think UNC may actually struggle in their first round as VA Tech has played them very close and beating a good team for 3 straight is never easy. If they get past that game I think it will be them vs MD in the finals or in other words for all the parity ,same old teams. SB I think caught MD by surprise last year I don't see that happening again. Game will be hard to watch as the best offensive players on each team are notorious floppers.

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This weekend really starts the Stony Brook season. I think they will handle BC but it really is their first test. Two different teams so whoever gets to play their game should win. I will luckily be in Boston......

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This weekend really starts the Stony Brook season. I think they will handle BC but it really is their first test. Two different teams so whoever gets to play their game should win. I will luckily be in Boston......


Weather looks poor in the NE... Exciting match ups.

SBU/BC should be fun. I would like to see SBU come home with a win so they can play at home for Final Four. Could go either way. If SBU can limit BC fast break goals and win some draws I think they win. SBU defense is confusing to teams who haven't played against them before. No matter how much you prepare for it.

I don't think NU can play enough D to hang w UNC.

Same w Navy. Won't be able to keep up w MD.

UF and JMU should be exciting as well. I like JMU top 3 scorers... Big strong girls..I think they create match up problems for UF defense. JMU defense is very solid.

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What a game up here in Boston. Hats off to both teams. A lacrosse classic and maybe the best 4/5 game ever played.

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What a game up here in Boston. Hats off to both teams. A lacrosse classic and maybe the best 4/5 game ever played.


Defense Wins. Two great teams . BC held SBU to 11 their lowest all season.

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see what happens when SB plays a top 10 team..... what if they played 5 more teams like this. they would be 16 and 5.

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see what happens when SB plays a top 10 team..... what if they played 5 more teams like this. they would be 16 and 5.


Oh stop. SBU is very good. BC may be the best team in the country. It was posted on here months ago that "seeding" would be a huge factor in determining who makes the final four. IMHO if SBU played BC, MD, UNC, JMU they would go 2 - 2.
Would have loved to see SBU win . BC is really good.

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With 13 (did they go to 14 this year?) automatic qualifiers which teams will get an at large bid and who will be left out?

America East: Stony Brook

Atlantic Ten: UMass / Richmond?

ACC: Maryland (only kidding) BC / Virginia / UNC?

Atlantic Sun: Jacksonville

Big East: Florida

Big South: High Point

Big Ten: Maryland

Colonial: JMU / Towson?

Ivy: Penn / Princeton?

Metro: Fairfield

Northeast: Bryant

Pac 12: Southern Cal

Patriot: Navy / Loyola?

Southern: ??

At large:

Virginia
UNC
DUKE
Syracuse
Notre Dame
Georgetown
Northwestern
Hopkins
Penn State
James Madison / Towson?
Princeton / Penn? Maybe Dartmouth, Brown or Yale?
Stanford
Colorado
Navy / Loyola?

Any other teams have a chance?

Some good teams will be left out this year and getting to the final 8 will be tougher than usual.








Bold prediction that teams on that list that won't make it are: Duke, Penn St, Stanford, Princeton, Colorado


20% not bad.

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see what happens when SB plays a top 10 team..... what if they played 5 more teams like this. they would be 16 and 5.


Oh stop. SBU is very good. BC may be the best team in the country. It was posted on here months ago that "seeding" would be a huge factor in determining who makes the final four. IMHO if SBU played BC, MD, UNC, JMU they would go 2 - 2.
Would have loved to see SBU win . BC is really good.


If SBU played a stronger schedule they would've been seeded higher. IMO their preseason does them no favors. I'm a BC fan though and very happy they got the win.

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see what happens when SB plays a top 10 team..... what if they played 5 more teams like this. they would be 16 and 5.


Oh stop. SBU is very good. BC may be the best team in the country. It was posted on here months ago that "seeding" would be a huge factor in determining who makes the final four. IMHO if SBU played BC, MD, UNC, JMU they would go 2 - 2.
Would have loved to see SBU win . BC is really good.


If SBU played a stronger schedule they would've been seeded higher. IMO their preseason does them no favors. I'm a BC fan though and very happy they got the win.


If they played a stronger schedule there is a good chance they would have lost so their seed most likely would have stayed in the neighborhood of 5. Say what you want but the seeding seems to have been correct as teams 1-4 are remaining. In the end the draw did them in as many had been saying all along.

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I get the strength of schedule debate. But when does a team that is ranked #1 for weeks on end, end up as the 5 seed. I hear both sides, but they should save strength of schedule and those other metrics for bubble teams.

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2014: 16 - 3 going into the tournament. Lost to Syracuse in round of 16.

2015: 18 - 1 going into the tournament. Lost to Princeton in round of 16.

2016: 15 - 3 going into the tournament. Lost to Syracuse in round of 16.

2017: 18 - 1 going into the tournament. Lost to Maryland in round of 8.

2018: 19 - 0 going into the tournament. Lost to Boston College in round of 8.

Every one of the teams that they have lost to in the playoffs plays a tougher schedule during the regular season.

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I get the strength of schedule debate. But when does a team that is ranked #1 for weeks on end, end up as the 5 seed. I hear both sides, but they should save strength of schedule and those other metrics for bubble teams.


Except it explains the ranking.

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Stony Brook got the seeding they deserved .The ranking during the season means nothing and is based on nothing objective .Maryland started the season as 1 , is there any doubt if the two teams had traded schedules that Maryland would have gone undefeated and SB would have picked up a few losses . The seeding is supposed to try to have the best teams make it to the end ,that’s exactly what had happened .

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The NCAA does not use the coaches polls for the purposes of tournament seeding. I put Stony Brook at the #4 seed all season long, I guess hoping that they would have a chance to play at home through the tournament. When I saw the first RPI at #6 I knew the #4 seed would be tough.

D3 is even a tougher test. They use regional rankings to qualify at large teams. For fans not in the know (ahem, Ithaca) there was no chance they were at an at large team.

You want to win the whole thing? Beat who you have to.

Both D1 and D3 got their #1-4 seeds.

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Stony Brook got the seeding they deserved .The ranking during the season means nothing and is based on nothing objective .Maryland started the season as 1 , is there any doubt if the two teams had traded schedules that Maryland would have gone undefeated and SB would have picked up a few losses . The seeding is supposed to try to have the best teams make it to the end ,that’s exactly what had happened .


You will not know that till after Friday. If BC beats Maryland they were wrong as well as JMU beats UNC

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Stony Brook got the seeding they deserved .The ranking during the season means nothing and is based on nothing objective .Maryland started the season as 1 , is there any doubt if the two teams had traded schedules that Maryland would have gone undefeated and SB would have picked up a few losses . The seeding is supposed to try to have the best teams make it to the end ,that’s exactly what had happened .


You will not know that till after Friday. If BC beats Maryland they were wrong as well as JMU beats UNC



Will the SB coach be hiding with pie on his face after all the bragging he did this year? Something to be said for staying humble!

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Stony Brook got the seeding they deserved .The ranking during the season means nothing and is based on nothing objective .Maryland started the season as 1 , is there any doubt if the two teams had traded schedules that Maryland would have gone undefeated and SB would have picked up a few losses . The seeding is supposed to try to have the best teams make it to the end ,that’s exactly what had happened .


Name a another NCAA sport where rankings mean nothing. I hope BC wins and their toughest test was a home game vs SB.

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What is the difference, whether they lost in the first round or the final game of the NCAA. Spallina said it himself you have to beat everyone. Other than that it doesn't matter. The part that stinks is that the fans on Long Island would have had a treat if SB made it to the final four. SB did the best they could to schedule tough non-conference games, but those teams that they scheduled had a downturn from the year before.

The injury to TO was what really hurt Stony Brook in the end. The synergy between KO, TO and CM was pretty impressive, they just didn't have someone to plug in and run the offense the same. Ultimately it made Sb easier to defend. SB doesn't have the depth many think they have, or the younger players were just not ready to step in so Spallina went with a veteran to fill the spot.

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I get the strength of schedule debate. But when does a team that is ranked #1 for weeks on end, end up as the 5 seed. I hear both sides, but they should save strength of schedule and those other metrics for bubble teams.


Obviously, the polls and the NCAA have different criteria. So far, all you can say is that both got the relative strength of SB and BC correct - 1/2 or 4/5 playing to OT means they were closely matched teams. Can't say which one was right until after this weekend - if BC runs the table you could argue the polls were.

As a SUNY parent (different school) I was rooting for SB. Just wish they were healthy - gotta believe TO was worth at least the 1 goal they needed over the last 16 minutes of regulation plus the OT.

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Stony Brook got the seeding they deserved .The ranking during the season means nothing and is based on nothing objective .Maryland started the season as 1 , is there any doubt if the two teams had traded schedules that Maryland would have gone undefeated and SB would have picked up a few losses . The seeding is supposed to try to have the best teams make it to the end ,that’s exactly what had happened .


You will not know that till after Friday. If BC beats Maryland they were wrong as well as JMU beats UNC


What is everyone's thoughts about JMU vs. UNC?

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I have to agree with most of whats been posted, In looking at how the rankings worked out, the only other spot SB could have had was #4, with the same match-up but at home ( which i think would have made a difference for them).
The injury was also a major factor, and to take it a bit further, JS almost never sub's his top lines leaving no one to take TO's place who had any real confidence,experience or chemistry.
Their run is over Albany wins the America East next year

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I get the strength of schedule debate. But when does a team that is ranked #1 for weeks on end, end up as the 5 seed. I hear both sides, but they should save strength of schedule and those other metrics for bubble teams.


Obviously, the polls and the NCAA have different criteria. So far, all you can say is that both got the relative strength of SB and BC correct - 1/2 or 4/5 playing to OT means they were closely matched teams. Can't say which one was right until after this weekend - if BC runs the table you could argue the polls were.

As a SUNY parent (different school) I was rooting for SB. Just wish they were healthy - gotta believe TO was worth at least the 1 goal they needed over the last 16 minutes of regulation plus the OT.



Sounds like a lot of coulda woulda shouda. The chances were there to finish that game. The star choked. Bye Bye Teewaaraton. Goodnight.

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