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Re: Holdbacks
TM@BOTC #247260 10/21/17 08:32 PM
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Honestly the choice to hold back a child for acedemic or athletic reasons is up to the kid and his parents if you think that this is horrible and unfair then holdback your kid. When your kid is grown up and you are old this 5 year span in his life won't matter that much. At the end of the day arguing over trivial matters likes this on a forum is a waste of your time.

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Anonymous #247304 10/22/17 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Honestly the choice to hold back a child for acedemic or athletic reasons is up to the kid and his parents if you think that this is horrible and unfair then holdback your kid. When your kid is grown up and you are old this 5 year span in his life won't matter that much. At the end of the day arguing over trivial matters likes this on a forum is a waste of your time.



Straw-man argument like most holdback apologists reasons.

No one cares what you do with your child, Hold him/her back 5 times. Who cares...

But why does that give you a special right to play against younger children in YOUTH sports that are BORN on same day as your holdback/prefirst child. Letting select kids play down goes against all that youth sports stand for. If your child gets a special advantage, all players should get the same advantage in Youth sports. Pretty simple concept except to you apologists.

And we are not talking about HS or even Middle school sports which has always gone by grade.

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TM@BOTC #248755 11/01/17 06:04 AM
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If you want to know how much the prefirsts/holdbacks/reclassed effect Maryland teams...

All you need to know is look at the World Series of Youth Lacrosse teams. Out of 37 teams listed in Inside Lacrosse of supposedly best U13 teams in country.... 3 are from Maryland. And all three are not considered anywhere near the top in MD. Maryland can only compete by older players playing younger players...Pretty Sad state for Youth Lacrosse in MD.

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Anonymous #248979 11/03/17 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you want to know how much the prefirsts/holdbacks/reclassed effect Maryland teams...

All you need to know is look at the World Series of Youth Lacrosse teams. Out of 37 teams listed in Inside Lacrosse of supposedly best U13 teams in country.... 3 are from Maryland. And all three are not considered anywhere near the top in MD. Maryland can only compete by older players playing younger players...Pretty Sad state for Youth Lacrosse in MD.



It sure is....

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TM@BOTC #248991 11/03/17 07:11 PM
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MD may be the worst, but last year they changed the rules for WSYL after clubs try outs and made finalized rosters.- but lets not pretend that NJ,NY,PA,VA,DC,NE,FL,TX don't all have holdbacks. This is a fact. Teams hold separate tryouts and have completely different teams that they send to this 1 tournament. Every other tournament in the country allows the age differential . Not condoning it but its fact, what is not factual is MD can't compete without holdbacks. API made it to the final 4 with a weak team and beat the champion in earlier round. Maybe you should come down and watch some MD fall ball and see the high level of lacrosse from Elite, A,B and Rec teams. MD REC teams can compete against all 37 teams at WSYL. Just because they choose not to participate in 1 tournament doesn't mean they can't compete. Lacrosse in MD is stronger than ever at every level.

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Re: Holdbacks
TM@BOTC #248995 11/03/17 10:10 PM
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Api took on the md elite with one kid that was a pre K and was a face off kid who is very good but wasn’t the starter . Api last year had no holdbacks and competed with the best . They finished 3rd in the World Series of Lacrosse and 9th before roughriders 2022 National championship . So they did pretty well but this year they have change they have holdbacks now they aren’t as good . Api is not a elite team anymore. They lost a lot of good players .

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Anonymous #249004 11/04/17 12:50 AM
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For holdbacks...Exhibit A, B, and C:

2022 Annapolis Hawks
2022 Richmond "Hawks"
2022 DC Express A

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TM@BOTC #249041 11/04/17 09:22 PM
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If you are going to play elite you have to have Holdbacks now but I’m sorry my belief is that is cheating before high school .

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Anonymous #249047 11/04/17 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Api took on the md elite with one kid that was a pre K and was a face off kid who is very good but wasn’t the starter . Api last year had no holdbacks and competed with the best . They finished 3rd in the World Series of Lacrosse and 9th before roughriders 2022 National championship . So they did pretty well but this year they have change they have holdbacks now they aren’t as good . Api is not a elite team anymore. They lost a lot of good players .


API has one of the oldest teams out there mostly kids born sept oct 03 birthday days let's not say they don't have have backs. Elite in 3 grade not anymore.

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TM@BOTC #249048 11/04/17 10:18 PM
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The fact that there is a “holdback” thread in the Maryland forum I’d freaking priceless! Go to LI and most of your top kids would be playing a year above! You guys kill me!

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Anonymous #249053 11/04/17 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
MD may be the worst, but last year they changed the rules for WSYL after clubs try outs and made finalized rosters.- but lets not pretend that NJ,NY,PA,VA,DC,NE,FL,TX don't all have holdbacks. This is a fact. Teams hold separate tryouts and have completely different teams that they send to this 1 tournament. Every other tournament in the country allows the age differential . Not condoning it but its fact, what is not factual is MD can't compete without holdbacks. API made it to the final 4 with a weak team and beat the champion in earlier round. Maybe you should come down and watch some MD fall ball and see the high level of lacrosse from Elite, A,B and Rec teams. MD REC teams can compete against all 37 teams at WSYL. Just because they choose not to participate in 1 tournament doesn't mean they can't compete. Lacrosse in MD is stronger than ever at every level.


First of all, you’re an idiot. Yes, LI/NJ teams have holdbacks. 1 or 2 per team. WSYL rosters must include kids that have played all season.. new rule this year. A team can’t add kids or suntracy their for the tournament. Please don’t try to hide that Md teams are not nunning out kids that are older. It’s an accepted fact. Ex: 2023 Crabs has no less than 14 kids that were 13+ last season. If Maryland teams want to compete, the door is open. They just need to run their 2924 teams in the tourney, and let’s be realistic, it would be s massacre

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TM@BOTC #249059 11/05/17 04:08 AM
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My question why holdback the kids why not do a post grad year after high school before college . The kid will know more of what they want and you still get a older kid going into college with some college credits ...

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TM@BOTC #264248 06/05/18 12:15 PM
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Hmm Looks like recruiting and Holdback rules being called into question at MIAA schools for football. Some MIAA lacrosse schools should hurry up and cover their tracks before the St.Frances and Biff Poggi issues call into question MIAA lacrosse recruiting and hold back rules......

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Anonymous #264261 06/05/18 02:37 PM
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My question why holdback the kids why not do a post grad year after high school before college . The kid will know more of what they want and you still get a older kid going into college with some college credits ...


Easy answer is...You get zero advantage paying at your age during their youth or HS and then doing a PG. Do a prefirst or reclass and enjoy an advantage in youth and HS

I dont think I have met many coaches that have children in MIAA schools that werent held back. They know the drill. Hard to compete for a starting position when you are younger than the other boys

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Hmm Looks like recruiting and Holdback rules being called into question at MIAA schools for football. Some MIAA lacrosse schools should hurry up and cover their tracks before the St.Frances and Biff Poggi issues call into question MIAA lacrosse recruiting and hold back rules......


That is crazy stuff there. The St Frances Football team has around 40 scholarships paid in full by one guy, Biff Poggi. They are destroying any and all MIAA football teams including McDonogh and Biffs old team Gilman.

. Obviously St Frances has less academics standards than Gilman did and can recruit from a bigger pool, but Gilman had some dominate teams years ago with Biff and no one quit playing Gilman.

The recruiting and holdbacks will be interesting if any revisions come from this. I doubt anything will be done as lacrosse will be effected in some way. Best approach is the way MIAA is handling it now, its a safety issue.

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