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Re: Boys 2021 - 9th Grade Fall 2017/Summer 2018
Anonymous #235663 08/09/17 03:01 PM
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[quote=Anonymous]How were the Avalanche tryouts? Numbers?

8/16 is the supplemental. The last tryout was during National Lacrosse week, so I can't imagine that it would have been great. [/quot

update the interest so far for the Avalanche team has been greater then expected to this point should be a nice turnout at tryouts.

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Re: Boys 2021 - 9th Grade Fall 2017/Summer 2018
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Well I must say that Ambush certainly gets a lot of press for a second team!

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Anonymous #235696 08/09/17 05:54 PM
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And Outlaws Gold beat that Sentry team.

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At YounGuns Vallley Select beat Ambush and than Lost to that Same Sentry team 7-2. Outlaws Gold lost to IconB. Titans beat outlaws Gold and Recon who gave Avalanche a tough time. What does all this mean? Going back to the original post that started this by Ranking big club B teams the answer is what it should be. All the big clubs second teams which are the Outlaws Gold, titans, Icon b team, Ambush and Avalanche are all about the same talent and otherwise equal. So if your kid is looking for a good solid B team from a big club they are all about the same. Just keep away from express B who is a mess.

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And Outlaws Gold beat that Sentry team.


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Anonymous #235819 08/10/17 09:50 AM
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That Sentry team apparently had a bunch of Maryland kids guest playing with them. Not criticizing, just hard to compare.

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Who cares every year that Sentry team comes to long island they send out thousands of emails looking for players that's not a team. So enough with this whole thing

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That stuff happens all the time. It is very hard to compare by score but that is all we have. The bottom line is none of these second teams play in good tournaments because they would get beat by a lot and people will leave. The coaches and directors know what they are doing when they place these teams in lesser tournaments. It does result in parents thinking the team is better than they are and that is what the directors want so kids return and the have a sales pitch to get new players. Based on all the talk here and the tournaments these teams enter no one can say any of these second big club teams are any better than the next. So no reason to leave Icon B team for Ambush or Ambush to leave for another team or any other player thinking to change to any other second team. They are all the same.

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That Sentry team apparently had a bunch of Maryland kids guest playing with them. Not criticizing, just hard to compare.


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Anonymous #235882 08/10/17 11:57 AM
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That stuff happens all the time. It is very hard to compare by score but that is all we have. The bottom line is none of these second teams play in good tournaments because they would get beat by a lot and people will leave. The coaches and directors know what they are doing when they place these teams in lesser tournaments. It does result in parents thinking the team is better than they are and that is what the directors want so kids return and the have a sales pitch to get new players. Based on all the talk here and the tournaments these teams enter no one can say any of these second big club teams are any better than the next. So no reason to leave Icon B team for Ambush or Ambush to leave for another team or any other player thinking to change to any other second team. They are all the same.

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That Sentry team apparently had a bunch of Maryland kids guest playing with them. Not criticizing, just hard to compare.



There are plenty of players on both the B teams of the larger programs as well as the A teams of the programs right below those that will all go on to play very high levels of lacrosse. The continued dismissive attitude about anyone who is not a 'blue chip' lacrosse player is arrogant and dumb. The same can be said of the teams/clubs in general that are the just below the top teams. Enough already! Of the boys that go on to play college lacrosse, at D1, 2 or 3, they represent the top ~13% of lacrosse players in the country!

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No post I saw down graded any big club B team. Of course those kids can play in college. The discussion was which are the best second teams of the big clubs. The results are clear they are all the same. If your kid made multiple big club second teams pick one based on location, number of practices. Coaching and tournaments entered etc. The one thing that does not matter is talent because all the second teams have the same talent.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
That stuff happens all the time. It is very hard to compare by score but that is all we have. The bottom line is none of these second teams play in good tournaments because they would get beat by a lot and people will leave. The coaches and directors know what they are doing when they place these teams in lesser tournaments. It does result in parents thinking the team is better than they are and that is what the directors want so kids return and the have a sales pitch to get new players. Based on all the talk here and the tournaments these teams enter no one can say any of these second big club teams are any better than the next. So no reason to leave Icon B team for Ambush or Ambush to leave for another team or any other player thinking to change to any other second team. They are all the same.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
That Sentry team apparently had a bunch of Maryland kids guest playing with them. Not criticizing, just hard to compare.



There are plenty of players on both the B teams of the larger programs as well as the A teams of the programs right below those that will all go on to play very high levels of lacrosse. The continued dismissive attitude about anyone who is not a 'blue chip' lacrosse player is arrogant and dumb. The same can be said of the teams/clubs in general that are the just below the top teams. Enough already! Of the boys that go on to play college lacrosse, at D1, 2 or 3, they represent the top ~13% of lacrosse players in the country!


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Originally Posted by Anonymous
No post I saw down graded any big club B team. Of course those kids can play in college. The discussion was which are the best second teams of the big clubs. The results are clear they are all the same. If your kid made multiple big club second teams pick one based on location, number of practices. Coaching and tournaments entered etc. The one thing that does not matter is talent because all the second teams have the same talent.

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That stuff happens all the time. It is very hard to compare by score but that is all we have. The bottom line is none of these second teams play in good tournaments because they would get beat by a lot and people will leave. The coaches and directors know what they are doing when they place these teams in lesser tournaments. It does result in parents thinking the team is better than they are and that is what the directors want so kids return and the have a sales pitch to get new players. Based on all the talk here and the tournaments these teams enter no one can say any of these second big club teams are any better than the next. So no reason to leave Icon B team for Ambush or Ambush to leave for another team or any other player thinking to change to any other second team. They are all the same.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
That Sentry team apparently had a bunch of Maryland kids guest playing with them. Not criticizing, just hard to compare.



There are plenty of players on both the B teams of the larger programs as well as the A teams of the programs right below those that will all go on to play very high levels of lacrosse. The continued dismissive attitude about anyone who is not a 'blue chip' lacrosse player is arrogant and dumb. The same can be said of the teams/clubs in general that are the just below the top teams. Enough already! Of the boys that go on to play college lacrosse, at D1, 2 or 3, they represent the top ~13% of lacrosse players in the country!



Agreed and this is why Avalanche looks so appealing Igloo has a set practice schedule there own fields and a great coach see you on the 16th. Pdvvmz

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
No post I saw down graded any big club B team. Of course those kids can play in college. The discussion was which are the best second teams of the big clubs. The results are clear they are all the same. If your kid made multiple big club second teams pick one based on location, number of practices. Coaching and tournaments entered etc. The one thing that does not matter is talent because all the second teams have the same talent.

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That stuff happens all the time. It is very hard to compare by score but that is all we have. The bottom line is none of these second teams play in good tournaments because they would get beat by a lot and people will leave. The coaches and directors know what they are doing when they place these teams in lesser tournaments. It does result in parents thinking the team is better than they are and that is what the directors want so kids return and the have a sales pitch to get new players. Based on all the talk here and the tournaments these teams enter no one can say any of these second big club teams are any better than the next. So no reason to leave Icon B team for Ambush or Ambush to leave for another team or any other player thinking to change to any other second team. They are all the same.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
That Sentry team apparently had a bunch of Maryland kids guest playing with them. Not criticizing, just hard to compare.



There are plenty of players on both the B teams of the larger programs as well as the A teams of the programs right below those that will all go on to play very high levels of lacrosse. The continued dismissive attitude about anyone who is not a 'blue chip' lacrosse player is arrogant and dumb. The same can be said of the teams/clubs in general that are the just below the top teams. Enough already! Of the boys that go on to play college lacrosse, at D1, 2 or 3, they represent the top ~13% of lacrosse players in the country!



Fair enough, but here's where I disagree - the statement that "none of these second teams play in good tournaments" is my issue. The inference is that these teams play in "bad" tournaments. The sooner that the lacrosse community can embrace the fact that a club/team/player not being among the elite is not tantamount to being the dredges of the sport, the better it will be for all. Tournaments that are geared for the teams that are the next tier below the elite teams - let's call the the elite teams AA - are still very good lacrosse, and these tournaments/clubs/teams/players would all rightfully be called A. Yet, the lacrosse community basically wants to treat any teams below the elite, plus maybe one or two more, as B. That is not a logical categorization of talent, and hampers the sport and it's growth. Youth minor hockey would be better model for lacrosse, which, for travel/club lacrosse, would best largely mimic the AAA, AA, and A levels. But the bottom lines is that, like with youth hockey, and particularly in a locale like LI or MD (and soon, many other locales), you would not see such a small number of teams at AAA. I get it - the elite teams like their little 'private 'club', and they don't want anyone else intruding on it, but that doesn't make it right. The fact is that under the current lax 'system', their 'private club' is really the AA designation, not the A designation, so they really shouldn't be so against more teams being appropriately designated A. And, FTR, this has zero to do with an "everyone deserves a trophy" mentality; it has everything to do with how to organize/govern a large scale youth sport so that everyone gets the most out of it. To get back to the specific earlier point about tournaments, with a proper categorization, tournaments as whole, as well as divisions within, would be better serving the teams that participate.

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No post I saw down graded any big club B team. Of course those kids can play in college. The discussion was which are the best second teams of the big clubs. The results are clear they are all the same. If your kid made multiple big club second teams pick one based on location, number of practices. Coaching and tournaments entered etc. The one thing that does not matter is talent because all the second teams have the same talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
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That stuff happens all the time. It is very hard to compare by score but that is all we have. The bottom line is none of these second teams play in good tournaments because they would get beat by a lot and people will leave. The coaches and directors know what they are doing when they place these teams in lesser tournaments. It does result in parents thinking the team is better than they are and that is what the directors want so kids return and the have a sales pitch to get new players. Based on all the talk here and the tournaments these teams enter no one can say any of these second big club teams are any better than the next. So no reason to leave Icon B team for Ambush or Ambush to leave for another team or any other player thinking to change to any other second team. They are all the same.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
That Sentry team apparently had a bunch of Maryland kids guest playing with them. Not criticizing, just hard to compare.



There are plenty of players on both the B teams of the larger programs as well as the A teams of the programs right below those that will all go on to play very high levels of lacrosse. The continued dismissive attitude about anyone who is not a 'blue chip' lacrosse player is arrogant and dumb. The same can be said of the teams/clubs in general that are the just below the top teams. Enough already! Of the boys that go on to play college lacrosse, at D1, 2 or 3, they represent the top ~13% of lacrosse players in the country!



Agreed and this is why Avalanche looks so appealing Igloo has a set practice schedule there own fields and a great coach see you on the 16th. Pdvvmz



I can think of other teams that offer a set practice schedule, have basically unfettered access to a fieldturf field, and will cost about 50% of what Igloo charges. We can argue about whether the Avalanche coach is still great and/or right for these aged kids . . .

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No post I saw down graded any big club B team. Of course those kids can play in college. The discussion was which are the best second teams of the big clubs. The results are clear they are all the same. If your kid made multiple big club second teams pick one based on location, number of practices. Coaching and tournaments entered etc. The one thing that does not matter is talent because all the second teams have the same talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
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That stuff happens all the time. It is very hard to compare by score but that is all we have. The bottom line is none of these second teams play in good tournaments because they would get beat by a lot and people will leave. The coaches and directors know what they are doing when they place these teams in lesser tournaments. It does result in parents thinking the team is better than they are and that is what the directors want so kids return and the have a sales pitch to get new players. Based on all the talk here and the tournaments these teams enter no one can say any of these second big club teams are any better than the next. So no reason to leave Icon B team for Ambush or Ambush to leave for another team or any other player thinking to change to any other second team. They are all the same.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
That Sentry team apparently had a bunch of Maryland kids guest playing with them. Not criticizing, just hard to compare.



There are plenty of players on both the B teams of the larger programs as well as the A teams of the programs right below those that will all go on to play very high levels of lacrosse. The continued dismissive attitude about anyone who is not a 'blue chip' lacrosse player is arrogant and dumb. The same can be said of the teams/clubs in general that are the just below the top teams. Enough already! Of the boys that go on to play college lacrosse, at D1, 2 or 3, they represent the top ~13% of lacrosse players in the country!



Agreed and this is why Avalanche looks so appealing Igloo has a set practice schedule there own fields and a great coach see you on the 16th. Pdvvmz



I can think of other teams that offer a set practice schedule, have basically unfettered access to a fieldturf field, and will cost about 50% of what Igloo charges. We can argue about whether the Avalanche coach is still great and/or right for these aged kids . . .


Could you please name one in Nassau...thks cause not sure many are as organized but if you can help I would appreciate it...thks

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I have checked several other organizations websites and none seem to lay out the schedule as igloo does . That is important to me I have 3 other kids

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I have checked several other organizations websites and none seem to lay out the schedule as igloo does . That is important to me I have 3 other kids


Most clubs do not post their schedules for practice on their sites - I wouldn't go by that. Lots of orgs use other sites (EG, SI Play) that you have to log in to see info about your team. At the end of the day, you will have to contact programs about their practice schedules, and even within one org, you may find that different grade teams are more or less formal about that than others.

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