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the Primetime john jay way is great for recruiting, but horrible for the town- they have always focused on the top 5 kids in each grade and not on building the foundation of the youth program. at the younger ages in john jay- only a small fraction of kids play travel at any level. and rest do whatever. this is often a problem when travel and town are somewhat connected. kids that are not capable of playing travel will fall behind and quit at a young age, other towns are doing it smarter at the younger ages and keeping kids playing together - when a childs only instructional option outside the town season is Primetime, it makes it harder to build that foundation

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My kid needs to put on some size in order to compete. He's already re-classed but he needs a bit more help. Any of these teams have a doctor on staff to administer human growth hormone?

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DO KIDS JUST SAY - IM GONNA do a pg year and then play a year down ?
Usually a PG year is someone repeating senior year at a Prep School whereas reclassifying usually happens in 8th/9th grade when first enrolling at a Prep High School. Because lacrosse is grade based and not age based it will always look like playing down....

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My kid needs to put on some size in order to compete. He's already re-classed but he needs a bit more help. Any of these teams have a doctor on staff to administer human growth hormone?
Might have to travel to Baltimore and join the Crabs Travel program...

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the Primetime john jay way is great for recruiting, but horrible for the town- they have always focused on the top 5 kids in each grade and not on building the foundation of the youth program. at the younger ages in john jay- only a small fraction of kids play travel at any level. and rest do whatever. this is often a problem when travel and town are somewhat connected. kids that are not capable of playing travel will fall behind and quit at a young age, other towns are doing it smarter at the younger ages and keeping kids playing together - when a childs only instructional option outside the town season is Primetime, it makes it harder to build that foundation
Which is a shame because the Bocklet's helped build that original foundation idea you mention, but has since disappeared.

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Another stupid, uniformed post. Primetime and John Jay are not connected. Primetime is a business run by a former John Jay player and they take the best players, does not matter if you play for John Jay. I'm guessing your kid was cut by them....there are so many options for kids of all ages; Superstar, American Lax Academy, House of Sports, Team 91, Express North, Warriors, Brewster Sports Center, Danbury Sports...and the list goes on.
Quote " when a childs only instructional option outside the town season is Primetime, it makes it harder to build that foundation"
Well if that is the case it is a lazy parents fault, I just listed all of the above options and I'm sure I forgot some.
Another post from a C level parent that is bitter towards the world because his kid can't make an A team or a team like Primetime or Express.....May be time to move on to Choir or some non-athletic activity or just suck it up and play at the B/C level where your kid belongs.

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Another stupid, uniformed post. Primetime and John Jay are not connected. Primetime is a business run by a former John Jay player and they take the best players, does not matter if you play for John Jay. I'm guessing your kid was cut by them....there are so many options for kids of all ages; Superstar, American Lax Academy, House of Sports, Team 91, Express North, Warriors, Brewster Sports Center, Danbury Sports...and the list goes on.
Quote " when a childs only instructional option outside the town season is Primetime, it makes it harder to build that foundation"
Well if that is the case it is a lazy parents fault, I just listed all of the above options and I'm sure I forgot some.
Another post from a C level parent that is bitter towards the world because his kid can't make an A team or a team like Primetime or Express.....May be time to move on to Choir or some non-athletic activity or just suck it up and play at the B/C level where your kid belongs.


Man that is angry. I'm not the one that made the post you are criticizing but I'm thinking you need some medication. I didn't think the JJ post was as critical as you read it but even if it is I think you are a bit too caught up in your own son's lacrosse prowess. If you have a son that is an A,B or C player and think that alone is going to define where they end up in life, I just feel bad for you. Most of the kids accepted to Princeton will not be athletes.

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Lots of people on this board criticizing programs, they need to look in the mirror. Go out and practice, stop blaming others for your shortcomings

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Another stupid, uniformed post. Primetime and John Jay are not connected. Primetime is a business run by a former John Jay player and they take the best players, does not matter if you play for John Jay. I'm guessing your kid was cut by them....there are so many options for kids of all ages; Superstar, American Lax Academy, House of Sports, Team 91, Express North, Warriors, Brewster Sports Center, Danbury Sports...and the list goes on.
Quote " when a childs only instructional option outside the town season is Primetime, it makes it harder to build that foundation"
Well if that is the case it is a lazy parents fault, I just listed all of the above options and I'm sure I forgot some.
Another post from a C level parent that is bitter towards the world because his kid can't make an A team or a team like Primetime or Express.....May be time to move on to Choir or some non-athletic activity or just suck it up and play at the B/C level where your kid belongs.


Says the dad from "Lower Westchester" that has a hold back on the team. Although he may be half right, the turnaround could be attributed to coaching changes not club strategies.

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Another stupid, uniformed post. Primetime and John Jay are not connected. Primetime is a business run by a former John Jay player and they take the best players, does not matter if you play for John Jay. I'm guessing your kid was cut by them....there are so many options for kids of all ages; Superstar, American Lax Academy, House of Sports, Team 91, Express North, Warriors, Brewster Sports Center, Danbury Sports...and the list goes on.
Quote " when a childs only instructional option outside the town season is Primetime, it makes it harder to build that foundation"
Well if that is the case it is a lazy parents fault, I just listed all of the above options and I'm sure I forgot some.
Another post from a C level parent that is bitter towards the world because his kid can't make an A team or a team like Primetime or Express.....May be time to move on to Choir or some non-athletic activity or just suck it up and play at the B/C level where your kid belongs.
I guess if you were a bit more informed, you would have added, "run by a former John Jay player AND current JJ Varsity assistant coach". But that's ok you still get my vote for Lacrosse Dad of the Year vs the rest of the lazy B & C parents that must be out there. Btw. my original post was just an appreciation for the job the Yorktown Ballers do with all level of players.

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Well that makes a lot of sense....the top youth kids don't even play for the ballers and in HS the kids have basically been forced to play for them by Marr...but that's ok right?? No conflict there!

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Any truth to the rumor that North 2022 team imploded over the summer? Played in B and then moved to A and got crushed so they brought in some ringers from LI to win games with 30 kids on team? Heard a bunch of kids never saw the field.....CS just trying to win games to make program look good and forcing coach to sit kids?? If true sounds terrible but somewhat expected

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that story is 10000000% accurate about north22 - 1/2 the team or more went to the warriors

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stupid and uninformed? your on crack, lets look at the facts here - yes Prime time and John Jay youth are separate organizations. one is for profit, one is not- however they are essentially run by the same people, Daniello, Lupinacci , macmahon. all of the paid pt coaches are also the same ones coaching youth . my point regarding john jay youth is very simple- when a child is forced to seek additional instruction, he or she must pay a travel organization to get that instruction. that price is often a premium. other towns are offering additional training for a reasonable price which naturally attracts more kids given the nature of a multi sport athlete that plays more than one sport . john jay should be offering winter training, fogo, goaltending and they don't. if you want to build an empire, you need to have as many kids playing as possible for a reasonable price. it is that simple, other towns are doing it, jjyl is not . look at towns like Yorktown, garden city, Manhasset, they all try and keep the kids from the town playing together

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sounds like you have the wrong club

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stupid and uninformed? your on crack, lets look at the facts here - yes Prime time and John Jay youth are separate organizations. one is for profit, one is not- however they are essentially run by the same people, Daniello, Lupinacci , macmahon. all of the paid pt coaches are also the same ones coaching youth . my point regarding john jay youth is very simple- when a child is forced to seek additional instruction, he or she must pay a travel organization to get that instruction. that price is often a premium. other towns are offering additional training for a reasonable price which naturally attracts more kids given the nature of a multi sport athlete that plays more than one sport . john jay should be offering winter training, fogo, goaltending and they don't. if you want to build an empire, you need to have as many kids playing as possible for a reasonable price. it is that simple, other towns are doing it, jjyl is not . look at towns like Yorktown, garden city, Manhasset, they all try and keep the kids from the town playing together


My kid plays for the JJ youth program and your facts are simply wrong. As far as I know Lupinacci and macmahon don't run primtime only Daniello does so thats simply incorrect. And my kid did attend fogo training by JJ, they brought the lizards guy in to teach and it helped tremendously. I also understand they hold goalie training with one of the varsity coaches every week, I also just signed my kid up for the JJ fall clinics run by the varsity guys. Winter is run by parents at Brewster. There are many, many options for the kids, my kid also goes to Colsey's program every week to workk on box skills. Your facts are just flat out wrong, sounds like a disgruntled parent or former coach that was replaced by a superior paid coach.

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that story is 10000000% accurate about north22 - 1/2 the team or more went to the warriors


Maybe that is the right place....stepping down from a B program to a C at best program would be a good choice for those kids that are still developmental. I was at warriors tryouts, they are getting all the kids that can't make the other programs. Hopefully NS and VS can find some C level tournaments to go win and brag about it on social media!

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that's funny - no one I know got special goalie training this year or fogo training from the beast and lupinacci is co director of primetime, also sits on the board of jjyl and gets paid to schedule - and jjyl is extremely expensive relative to it s peers so obviously you haven't stopped drinking the cool aid - does every grade get the Brewster winter option?

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THE SAVASTANO BROTHERS ARE very well respected , this is their first year , it will a good program and will thrive as it becomes more established, they got a late start and still managed to put it together - don't be so negative

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that's funny - no one I know got special goalie training this year or fogo training from the beast and lupinacci is co director of primetime, also sits on the board of jjyl and gets paid to schedule - and jjyl is extremely expensive relative to it s peers so obviously you haven't stopped drinking the cool aid - does every grade get the Brewster winter option?


I heard they are expensive because they have all paid coaches now, no more Dad's which I wish they would do in our town where Johnny's Dad has the team feed him the ball for goals!

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Didn't they coach for express north this past summer?

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Any truth to the rumor that North 2022 team imploded over the summer? Played in B and then moved to A and got crushed so they brought in some ringers from LI to win games with 30 kids on team? Heard a bunch of kids never saw the field.....CS just trying to win games to make program look good and forcing coach to sit kids?? If true sounds terrible but somewhat expected


May or may not be true but would be out of character with the older North teams who are some of the leanest club teams around - run with 20 kids tops

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paid coaches is great at the older ages, but you do tend to lose the ability for that one dad or dads to keep the kiods playing together before or after the season when that paid coach, goes about his business

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Well that makes a lot of sense....the top youth kids don't even play for the ballers and in HS the kids have basically been forced to play for them by Marr...but that's ok right?? No conflict there!
While you're absolutely right about a conflict of interest, that does seem to run prevalent in the lacrosse world with HS coaches running programs or coaching summer teams. Colsey/Ridgefield/Superstars Bruce/Brunswick/Two-Way Daniello/Prime-Time/JJ etc. I'd be curious to the Yorktown player and parent point of view. I just see the results of a winning (dominant?) high school program where the kids are playing the best teams on LI and Jersey while advancing to state play-off games and the top players seem to be (some early) committed to top colleges. Again, my first post had more to do with how programs (high school/summer) incorporate or improve that mid-level player...

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THE SAVASTANO BROTHERS ARE very well respected , this is their first year , it will a good program and will thrive as it becomes more established, they got a late start and still managed to put it together - don't be so negative
Agree !!

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paid coaches is great at the older ages, but you do tend to lose the ability for that one dad or dads to keep the kiods playing together before or after the season when that paid coach, goes about his business


How do you lose that ability? Why can't that one dad or dad's pull together the kids and go practice on a field or schedule a scrimmage with someone? It's all about stepping up, a lot of talk no action from most people.

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Because coaches don't want dad's involved. They want control of the message.

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Makes no sense, you just said paid coaches move on. Get a life.

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Well that makes a lot of sense....the top youth kids don't even play for the ballers and in HS the kids have basically been forced to play for them by Marr...but that's ok right?? No conflict there!
While you're absolutely right about a conflict of interest, that does seem to run prevalent in the lacrosse world with HS coaches running programs or coaching summer teams. Colsey/Ridgefield/Superstars Bruce/Brunswick/Two-Way Daniello/Prime-Time/JJ etc. I'd be curious to the Yorktown player and parent point of view. I just see the results of a winning (dominant?) high school program where the kids are playing the best teams on LI and Jersey while advancing to state play-off games and the top players seem to be (some early) committed to top colleges. Again, my first post had more to do with how programs (high school/summer) incorporate or improve that mid-level player...


be careful what you wish for, is the grass greener because it is watered and cared for, or they just use different manure.

Those Li and Nj program you talk about have there issues and distractions as well

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IF YOUR GOAL IS TO PLAY college lacrosse at any level- it is no surprise that primetime, express north are geared toward that level of exposure , tristate, warriors, and town affiliated type programs can do the trick, but are not geared towards the best 10 players , in front of the best college s at the best tourneys etc. for now that is the way it is, although that is rapidly changing with the growth of new teams
You're absolutely right when it comes to Prime Time and Express. But it's also interesting to see how well Yorktown Ballers are placing their top players, while integrating mid level players which enables the High School to maintain it's dominance in Westchester. An interesting analysis I heard in the spring from a HS coach when Fox Lane was upset by Mahopac 2 years in a row, and John Jay not really competitive with Yorktown in recent years is part of the Prime Time Effect. (High Scoring Top recruits who are unable to play the team game when it matters most.) That being said , Prime Time does work really hard to get their players recruited which I guess in the end matters the most.


Yorktown 2019 recently committed to Richmond. Looks like Marr and company are doing something right in Ytown.

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Well that makes a lot of sense....the top youth kids don't even play for the ballers and in HS the kids have basically been forced to play for them by Marr...but that's ok right?? No conflict there!
While you're absolutely right about a conflict of interest, that does seem to run prevalent in the lacrosse world with HS coaches running programs or coaching summer teams. Colsey/Ridgefield/Superstars Bruce/Brunswick/Two-Way Daniello/Prime-Time/JJ etc. I'd be curious to the Yorktown player and parent point of view. I just see the results of a winning (dominant?) high school program where the kids are playing the best teams on LI and Jersey while advancing to state play-off games and the top players seem to be (some early) committed to top colleges. Again, my first post had more to do with how programs (high school/summer) incorporate or improve that mid-level player...


Marr is a great coach, I don't believe he is involved in the administration of Ballers program. Its not right to smear his name on this board.

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Makes no sense, you just said paid coaches move on. Get a life.

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Yorktown 2019 recently committed to Richmond. Looks like Marr and company are doing something right in Ytown.

Not bad for a suspended coach!! Nice to see he is still working hard getting his players recruited no??

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Yorktown 2019 recently committed to Richmond. Looks like Marr and company are doing something right in Ytown.

Not bad for a suspended coach!! Nice to see he is still working hard getting his players recruited no??



You got me hook line and sinker

Who takes credit for that, HS or club? Just like North Rockland Kid earlier this year, HS or Club?

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that story is 10000000% accurate about north22 - 1/2 the team or more went to the warriors


The one's that left were not very good, will not be missed.

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Yorktown 2019 recently committed to Richmond. Looks like Marr and company are doing something right in Ytown.

Not bad for a suspended coach!! Nice to see he is still working hard getting his players recruited no??
although I'm guessing LI Express would like to take the credit for this

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Yorktown 2019 recently committed to Richmond. Looks like Marr and company are doing something right in Ytown.

Not bad for a suspended coach!! Nice to see he is still working hard getting his players recruited no??


Kids getting recruited isn't a singular transaction, its a long process of teaching and coaching.

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Yorktown 2019 recently committed to Richmond. Looks like Marr and company are doing something right in Ytown.

Not bad for a suspended coach!! Nice to see he is still working hard getting his players recruited no??


Pretty sure the Yorktown 2019 plays for Express North, as do several others

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Yorktown 2019 recently committed to Richmond. Looks like Marr and company are doing something right in Ytown.

Not bad for a suspended coach!! Nice to see he is still working hard getting his players recruited no??



You got me hook line and sinker

Who takes credit for that, HS or club? Just like North Rockland Kid earlier this year, HS or Club?


Who gets credit? The player for working hard, parents for their DNA and dedicating time to the player, coaches starting in youth program (Yorktown may be the best around), club coaches and HS coaches. I think each experience is different. Did the player go to a showcase? How did he get invited? Was he seen at the showcase? etc. But, I'm sure the clubs will gladly take the credit.

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Yorktown 2019 recently committed to Richmond. Looks like Marr and company are doing something right in Ytown.

Not bad for a suspended coach!! Nice to see he is still working hard getting his players recruited no??


Pretty sure the Yorktown 2019 plays for Express North, as do several others


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