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Re: Boys 2019- 10th Grade Fall 2016/Summer 2017
Anonymous #181978 08/21/16 05:05 PM
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Wow that program is going down. I'm guessing the gc kids left?


The program is not going down. That's ridiculous! At the same tryout they had about 80 kids for 2020. The older you get the smaller the numbers are so 10th and 11th grade are always less. The future of the program is solid based on the younger teams.


Big deal. They went all over LI holding free clinics trying to drum up business. You would hope for more kids than that after all that effort. And for all the high minded nonsense they preach, they got down in the mud and engaged in a nasty war last year with Chaminade. Long-term that cannot be good for a business that is at the top of the price point. What they have now is a travel team made up of 90% Manhasset and CSH. Good for them.


We must be talking about two different programs. I was talking about south shore program, run by TZ and MT.

TZ's program went from having 3 2019 teams after they took over the old Havoc DD, to zero teams a year later. The other group that's being confused with this discussion that has the CSH and Manhasset kids tried to make in roads in some blue collar communities but failed evidently.

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Re: Boys 2019- 10th Grade Fall 2016/Summer 2017
Anonymous #181983 08/21/16 06:27 PM
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Wow that program is going down. I'm guessing the gc kids left?


The program is not going down. That's ridiculous! At the same tryout they had about 80 kids for 2020. The older you get the smaller the numbers are so 10th and 11th grade are always less. The future of the program is solid based on the younger teams.


Big deal. They went all over LI holding free clinics trying to drum up business. You would hope for more kids than that after all that effort. And for all the high minded nonsense they preach, they got down in the mud and engaged in a nasty war last year with Chaminade. Long-term that cannot be good for a business that is at the top of the price point. What they have now is a travel team made up of 90% Manhasset and CSH. Good for them.


We must be talking about two different programs. I was talking about south shore program, run by TZ and MT.

TZ's program went from having 3 2019 teams after they took over the old Havoc DD, to zero teams a year later. The other group that's being confused with this discussion that has the CSH and Manhasset kids tried to make in roads in some blue collar communities but failed evidently.


Yeah but TZ should have never had 3, so I wouldn't even count that one. Really they went from two to zero, and now will be back up to one....what's the other program being confused in the convo? Igloo?

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Anonymous #182008 08/21/16 09:52 PM
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assuming they had a decent tryout then for legacy 2019 to field a solid group. I believe a solid core played with 2018 past summer and may have added to it.

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assuming they had a decent tryout then for legacy 2019 to field a solid group. I believe a solid core played with 2018 past summer and may have added to it.


Yes it looks like the core group that played up on 2018 team last year and some new kids from tryouts will complete their 2019 team this year.

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Wow that program is going down. I'm guessing the gc kids left?


The program is not going down. That's ridiculous! At the same tryout they had about 80 kids for 2020. The older you get the smaller the numbers are so 10th and 11th grade are always less. The future of the program is solid based on the younger teams.


Big deal. They went all over LI holding free clinics trying to drum up business. You would hope for more kids than that after all that effort. And for all the high minded nonsense they preach, they got down in the mud and engaged in a nasty war last year with Chaminade. Long-term that cannot be good for a business that is at the top of the price point. What they have now is a travel team made up of 90% Manhasset and CSH. Good for them.


We must be talking about two different programs. I was talking about south shore program, run by TZ and MT.

TZ's program went from having 3 2019 teams after they took over the old Havoc DD, to zero teams a year later. The other group that's being confused with this discussion that has the CSH and Manhasset kids tried to make in roads in some blue collar communities but failed evidently.


Yeah but TZ should have never had 3, so I wouldn't even count that one. Really they went from two to zero, and now will be back up to one....what's the other program being confused in the convo? Igloo?


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FL$ ... The program is just not competitive. Most of the teams (especially the 2019s) cannot compete with the top programs in the northeast. They are entered in low-profile tournaments to avoid being exposed. Time has passed them by. All you need to do is look at the limited number of D1 (or any division) commitments of the 2017s, 2018s, 2019s, the numbers don't lie. Without the kids from that one town mentioned, they will be even more painful to watch.

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That year really wasn't that good to begin with. Now with GC kids who left what really type of team will they have?3


Last year they didn't have a 2019 team. Were these GC kids you like to talk about on the 2018/2019 team last year? They can have one decent 2019 team this year without the GC kids.

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FL$ ... The program is just not competitive. Most of the teams (especially the 2019s) cannot compete with the top programs in the northeast. They are entered in low-profile tournaments to avoid being exposed. Time has passed them by. All you need to do is look at the limited number of D1 (or any division) commitments of the 2017s, 2018s, 2019s, the numbers don't lie. Without the kids from that one town mentioned, they will be even more painful to watch.

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That year really wasn't that good to begin with. Now with GC kids who left what really type of team will they have?3


I was asking about a different program, but I agree about FL$.

Last year they didn't have a 2019 team. Were these GC kids you like to talk about on the 2018/2019 team last year? They can have one decent 2019 team this year without the GC kids.

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FL$ ... The program is just not competitive. Most of the teams (especially the 2019s) cannot compete with the top programs in the northeast. They are entered in low-profile tournaments to avoid being exposed. Time has passed them by. All you need to do is look at the limited number of D1 (or any division) commitments of the 2017s, 2018s, 2019s, the numbers don't lie. Without the kids from that one town mentioned, they will be even more painful to watch.

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That year really wasn't that good to begin with. Now with GC kids who left what really type of team will they have?3


I was asking about a different program, but I agree about FL$.

Last year they didn't have a 2019 team. Were these GC kids you like to talk about on the 2018/2019 team last year? They can have one decent 2019 team this year without the GC kids.


Don't know about the 2018 or 2019, but my son was on the 2017 team and, while not Turtles-level, was quite respectable. By my count, there are at least 10 DI commitments and 6 top-20 DIII (may have missed one or two in the past few months). That leaves five (or so) kids that (at this point) are uncommitted out of 21. The average SAT for the schools which these kids are committed to is just over 1350 (on a two-test basis): 94th percentile.

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Anonymous #183736 08/30/16 02:29 PM
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FL$ got what was coming to them. They divested last year during tryouts away from Catholic school players and sold their soul to Manhasset and GC. They denied it, but was plain to see. Hide behind principal but it was about $$$ They were atrocious during the one fall tourney I watched. Attack was average, middies a step slow, defense was awful. Heard spring was the same, but can't confirm because they once again hide in obscure taylor made tourneys that they have vested interest in. No exposure is why people left but they can't see that. That's what you get when you try to marginalize. And now that GC has gone home, they are left a shell of themselves with no avenue to go down to rebuild till rifts heal. Shrewd business plain boys.

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FL$ got what was coming to them. They divested last year during tryouts away from Catholic school players and sold their soul to Manhasset and GC. They denied it, but was plain to see. Hide behind principal but it was about $$$ They were atrocious during the one fall tourney I watched. Attack was average, middies a step slow, defense was awful. Heard spring was the same, but can't confirm because they once again hide in obscure taylor made tourneys that they have vested interest in. No exposure is why people left but they can't see that. That's what you get when you try to marginalize. And now that GC has gone home, they are left a shell of themselves with no avenue to go down to rebuild till rifts heal. Shrewd business plain boys.


So your son got cut by them? lol

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Anonymous #183743 08/30/16 02:47 PM
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If that logic of smaller numbers is true. Not saying it is not, then why the larger numbers at some of the other programs


What program had more than 50 kids at a 2017 or 2018 tryout?

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FL$ ... The program is just not competitive. Most of the teams (especially the 2019s) cannot compete with the top programs in the northeast. They are entered in low-profile tournaments to avoid being exposed. Time has passed them by. All you need to do is look at the limited number of D1 (or any division) commitments of the 2017s, 2018s, 2019s, the numbers don't lie. Without the kids from that one town mentioned, they will be even more painful to watch.

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That year really wasn't that good to begin with. Now with GC kids who left what really type of team will they have?3


I was asking about a different program, but I agree about FL$.

Last year they didn't have a 2019 team. Were these GC kids you like to talk about on the 2018/2019 team last year? They can have one decent 2019 team this year without the GC kids.


Don't know about the 2018 or 2019, but my son was on the 2017 team and, while not Turtles-level, was quite respectable. By my count, there are at least 10 DI commitments and 6 top-20 DIII (may have missed one or two in the past few months). That leaves five (or so) kids that (at this point) are uncommitted out of 21. The average SAT for the schools which these kids are committed to is just over 1350 (on a two-test basis): 94th percentile.


And the 2018 team is very solid as well. they compete with any of the A teams on LI.

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FL$ ... The program is just not competitive. Most of the teams (especially the 2019s) cannot compete with the top programs in the northeast. They are entered in low-profile tournaments to avoid being exposed. Time has passed them by. All you need to do is look at the limited number of D1 (or any division) commitments of the 2017s, 2018s, 2019s, the numbers don't lie. Without the kids from that one town mentioned, they will be even more painful to watch.

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That year really wasn't that good to begin with. Now with GC kids who left what really type of team will they have?3


I was asking about a different program, but I agree about FL$.

Last year they didn't have a 2019 team. Were these GC kids you like to talk about on the 2018/2019 team last year? They can have one decent 2019 team this year without the GC kids.


Don't know about the 2018 or 2019, but my son was on the 2017 team and, while not Turtles-level, was quite respectable. By my count, there are at least 10 DI commitments and 6 top-20 DIII (may have missed one or two in the past few months). That leaves five (or so) kids that (at this point) are uncommitted out of 21. The average SAT for the schools which these kids are committed to is just over 1350 (on a two-test basis): 94th percentile.


And the 2018 team is very solid as well. they compete with any of the A teams on LI.


How many D1 commits on the 2018 team? 1? 2? I think the best player went elsewhere to get committed to a top IVY.

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And the 2018 team is very solid as well. they compete with any of the A teams on LI. [/quote]

How many D1 commits on the 2018 team? 1? 2? I think the best player went elsewhere to get committed to a top IVY. [/quote]

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B_O_T_C #186672 09/20/16 11:01 AM
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Any 2019 teams fold this year?

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