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It is not similar to any arrangement, it's not a partnership or a merger. We are simply doing 8 sessions of training for Rising Sons as we would offer to any program. We are inviting their boys to try out for NXT when their current program ends in 8th grade. Their 2020 team is very strong but will have to fight it out with our existing 2020 team for spots, nothing is guaranteed. As next year comes we will talk about doing training then if they want to continue.


So basically, Risings Somd dropped their 2020 team and it is every man for himself? Well, I guess you can say a stone that tries out for their younger teams would be totally crazy then. All of those players would be better served going directly to NXT, since they are providing the training for them anyway

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Poaching other team's players?

Club teams need to start realizing that players and families fundamentally have a choice. The club has a responsiblity to every player/family at every grade level to communicate, administrate, develop skills, teach life lessons, while reconciling experience to the expense. If a player leaves a club the onus is on the club to look at themselves in the mirror and ask "why did the player leave?" What did we NOT provide. Perhaps the answer absolves them of culpability or they feign indifference. However with parents paying thousands of dollars in fees to play youth sports all clubs need to recognize that player families are first and foremost, "consumers" and as such they have "a choice." Invariably players will always leave; nobody keeps everyone happy but sustainable success by the top clubs is predicated upon excellence in player development and return on investment. At the end of the day it is an investment by both parents and players and there are to many clubs out there doing the "money grab" charging outlandish fees, putting a carousel of college kids out there to coach, and preying upon star struck parents. Paying 2,000+ a year having 20+ players on the team results in 40K PER TEAM. Why does a youth club team need 40K PER TEAM PER YEAR to operate. Of the Philly based clubs how many of them are truly elite? That is why these players are geting "poached."

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You know we are all just waiting for TD to posts video's of his players laying people out and standing over top of them on YouTube....oh wait, he already has done that. What a class act!

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Legendary Player Frank Urso named HC of Brotherly Love 2022

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Ummm well I guess the 2022 won't be wondering who their coach is.....BL film flam program...will he show up to practice

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Who cares. Doesn't mean he can coach.
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Give them 2 years and that will be the best team in Philly just like their other teams...flim flam...what does that even mean...and uh yeah he can coach ever hear of the under armour games...HC last 3 years...ever hear of Garnet Valley HC there as well ....flim flam must mean I got my [lacrosse] handed to me by one of their other teams ...give the man some respect he's earned it.

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My son doesn't play for BL, but any idiot questioning
Frank's credentials shouldn't be allowed on here. Google the guy his playing career is unprecedented and his coaching numbers at GV speak for themselves. As for turning that team around that's another story..tough starting a 22 program from pretty much scratch but I would doubt he can do it.

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Wouldn't doubt he could do it

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Who cares if he can coach as long as he can poach. "Scholarships" for club lacrosse to the best kids are out there. Look out Sons, Mesa, and Freedom.

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You know we are all just waiting for TD to posts video's of his players laying people out and standing over top of them on YouTube....oh wait, he already has done that. What a class act!


Not sure he has done this wire his players, the only videos I have heard about are ones DELETED

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You know we are all just waiting for TD to posts video's of his players laying people out and standing over top of them on YouTube....oh wait, he already has done that. What a class act!


Not sure he has done this wire his players, the only videos I have heard about are ones DELETED

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Freedom is fine with the coaches we have, we will not be chasing a club because they bring in a quality coach. Ours are fine.
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Who cares if he can coach as long as he can poach. "Scholarships" for club lacrosse to the best kids are out there. Look out Sons, Mesa, and Freedom.

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You know we are all just waiting for TD to posts video's of his players laying people out and standing over top of them on YouTube....oh wait, he already has done that. What a class act!


Not sure he has done this wire his players, the only videos I have heard about are ones DELETED


Easy there TD, no one is anything yet. And, it is comments like that that make people think that you are a total jerk.

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Yes "poaching" is a real thing. Your post is absurd and obviously you are on the poacher side as opposed to poachee. Here is what you are missing, when a player leaves a program to go to another that is fine, there could be many reasons for it. It could be playing time, dispute with coaching philosophy, the kid simply not enjoying himself, etc. etc. That type of departure is not "poaching". Poaching is when a program, in season, contacts a player already rostered on another team and offers that player to come "play in one tournament for us for free, see if you like it" or "how about your 2023 son come play in this showcase event for us". The poacher teams are playing on the system, convincing a parent that their child is getting college looks at the 23 level! That is a blatant lie.
This same program just advertised that they brought on a "college recruiting specialist" yet they have no teams older than 2023?? That is manipulative and a lie to lead these parents to believe their son is getting looks in 6th grade!
So to address your note, yes poaching is a real thing. The standard held by the vast majority of the clubs in Philadelphia is that we do not contact any player already rostered on another program. If they reach out to you that is fine but to actively recruit players off existing teams is a despicable thing only a few teams do. These teams have been called out on here numerous times but just to be clear, they are Brotherly Love and Rising Sons. Rising Sons has gotten a bit better about this but that is primarily because they have lost their luster after their 2021 team fell apart and now their 2020s are done. Brotherly Love has a guy working from them who pumps out propaganda like the Germans in the 1940s! One thing that Rising Sons and Brotherly Love have in common is that both have been caught cheating in the NXT Spring League for having unrostered players play up/down/on multiple teams. BL will fall apart like RS has, give it time.

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Yes "poaching" is a real thing. Your post is absurd and obviously you are on the poacher side as opposed to poachee. Here is what you are missing, when a player leaves a program to go to another that is fine, there could be many reasons for it. It could be playing time, dispute with coaching philosophy, the kid simply not enjoying himself, etc. etc. That type of departure is not "poaching". Poaching is when a program, in season, contacts a player already rostered on another team and offers that player to come "play in one tournament for us for free, see if you like it" or "how about your 2023 son come play in this showcase event for us". The poacher teams are playing on the system, convincing a parent that their child is getting college looks at the 23 level! That is a blatant lie.
This same program just advertised that they brought on a "college recruiting specialist" yet they have no teams older than 2023?? That is manipulative and a lie to lead these parents to believe their son is getting looks in 6th grade!
So to address your note, yes poaching is a real thing. The standard held by the vast majority of the clubs in Philadelphia is that we do not contact any player already rostered on another program. If they reach out to you that is fine but to actively recruit players off existing teams is a despicable thing only a few teams do. These teams have been called out on here numerous times but just to be clear, they are Brotherly Love and Rising Sons. Rising Sons has gotten a bit better about this but that is primarily because they have lost their luster after their 2021 team fell apart and now their 2020s are done. Brotherly Love has a guy working from them who pumps out propaganda like the Germans in the 1940s! One thing that Rising Sons and Brotherly Love have in common is that both have been caught cheating in the NXT Spring League for having unrostered players play up/down/on multiple teams. BL will fall apart like RS has, give it time.


Rising Sons was caught have 2, 2020 kids playing on their 2021 team.

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NXT does not NEED the RS kids, they have had teams for years and been successful. Sure some of the RS kids will come to NXT but not nearly all of them.

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Spoke with Frank, he's excited.....for the easy paycheck! BL isn't telling people his commitment level is minimal and will likely stop come February. Interesting that his GV assistant coaches kids are trying out for other teams and not BL....that's because Frank has let them in on the secret he is merely helping out for a quick 10k.

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He deleted the lacrosse ones but the football ones are still there. It's great because of how he titles them, shows 9 year olds "laying wood" and "laying kids out"!

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NXT does not NEED the RS kids, they have had teams for years and been successful. Sure some of the RS kids will come to NXT but not nearly all of them.

I wonder if NXT puts up with crazy dads? Because the king crazy is coming with Rising Sons

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Funny I spoke to Frank and he is just happy that he can coach his son who is on the 22 team...

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My kid isn't trying out for BL because he doesn't think he can make the team but I can tell you that is the team he wants to play on

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Actually Frank called me personally and asked my son to play. I know nothing about the man other than a Google search. He didnt strike me as a guy doing it for the cash. I asked why as a high school coach and as a man of his accomplishments why he would coach a youth lacrosse team. He told me he loves to coach and he wants to spend time with his son who is on the team. Again I don't know the man but have to say was impressed with the fact he personally called me and flattered. I am seriously considering it and have to say he he doesn't sound anything like the guy you are portraying so either you are full of it or he is ..,. Going to go with Frank

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Watch Franks testimony on youtube. Its great, tells you a lot about what kind of guy he is. FCA had him speak. Anyone who has been thru what and his family have been through and come out shining on the other end all have a few traits in common. And like anyone else who achieves success he will take shots on this forum.

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My son plays for BL and you are absolutely right they do have players moving between rosters. However look up the rules NXT allows this for both their league and the tournaments look it up. You are only breaking the rules if you play down. My son along with a few others was asked to play UP from 2023 to 2022 to help out with numbers. The one coach also had his son play up from 2024 to 2023 but again he played up. You seem to know BL really well so you know who I am talking about. Like most on this forum you should get your facts straight before accusing another club of cheating. You must be from Freedom or Roughriders come on fess up your just mad and tired of losing to a club that just started 2 years ago that charges less money than all the rest. It's okay just be honest jealousy doesn't become you judging from your rant. Got to say have had 3 philly based clubs try to convince my son to leave BL...

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My son plays for BL and you are absolutely right they do have players moving between rosters. However look up the rules NXT allows this for both their league and the tournaments look it up. You are only breaking the rules if you play down. My son along with a few others was asked to play UP from 2023 to 2022 to help out with numbers. The one coach also had his son play up from 2024 to 2023 but again he played up. You seem to know BL really well so you know who I am talking about. Like most on this forum you should get your facts straight before accusing another club of cheating. You must be from Freedom or Roughriders come on fess up your just mad and tired of losing to a club that just started 2 years ago that charges less money than all the rest. It's okay just be honest jealousy doesn't become you judging from your rant. Got to say have had 3 philly based clubs try to convince my son to leave BL...


I don't know what other post you are referring to, but I saw BL cheat at a tournament this past summer. Their 2023 "B" team was playing and the second the game ended (and there were a few player that didn't look like "B" players) we all witnessed 3 players sprint from that field to the one above it (where they immediately joined the "A" BL team for a game. Not cool and doesn't make your club look good

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He deleted the lacrosse ones but the football ones are still there. It's great because of how he titles them, shows 9 year olds "laying wood" and "laying kids out"!


Classless, and that same kid doesn't even play football anymore. Probably afraid that all of those cheap shots may be remembered.

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I know the 3 kids you are referring to ask NXT that ran the tournament BL didn't have enough kids to field a full B team and rather than withdraw asked the tournament director if we could drop the 3 kids to play B as long as they weren't AA players. Like most clubs our bench players are A/B players and the kids we sent were not even close to our best players. If the tournament director approved it then it ain't cheating the fact that they beat your team is probably what's bothering u. The BL coaches actually sent an email out saying we were short and would be moving kids around. Most people I know don't announce it in an email when they are cheating just admit it tired of losing

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I saw that game and saw the 3 kids u are referring to run to the other field where they joined a team that had no subs but also left a team without subs makes sense to me.i watched the BL game they all ran to as I was curious to see how BL would do against Bethesda Lax Club thinking that BL would get smoked as Bethesda killed Mesa and BL needed a Braveheart to beat Mesa however BL put a beat down on Bethesda was very surprised. Say what you want about BL but u got to give them props that is a [lacrosse] of a good team may be the fastest youth team I have personally seen makes sense to me that B players on that club would look like A players to another club all subjective

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They should be faster...they are older!!

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I know the 3 kids you are referring to ask NXT that ran the tournament BL didn't have enough kids to field a full B team and rather than withdraw asked the tournament director if we could drop the 3 kids to play B as long as they weren't AA players. Like most clubs our bench players are A/B players and the kids we sent were not even close to our best players. If the tournament director approved it then it ain't cheating the fact that they beat your team is probably what's bothering u. The BL coaches actually sent an email out saying we were short and would be moving kids around. Most people I know don't announce it in an email when they are cheating just admit it tired of losing


Actually, it was a very close game, IMO, if you don't have enough players then you shouldn't try to carry 2 teams.

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I saw that game and saw the 3 kids u are referring to run to the other field where they joined a team that had no subs but also left a team without subs makes sense to me.i watched the BL game they all ran to as I was curious to see how BL would do against Bethesda Lax Club thinking that BL would get smoked as Bethesda killed Mesa and BL needed a Braveheart to beat Mesa however BL put a beat down on Bethesda was very surprised. Say what you want about BL but u got to give them props that is a [lacrosse] of a good team may be the fastest youth team I have personally seen makes sense to me that B players on that club would look like A players to another club all subjective


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It's a bitter pill to swallow isn't it. They are just a better team....you must be a Freedom dad. Yep BL is the only team in Philly that has kids over the 9/1 cutoff of US Lacrosse. It does help that my kid doesn't need a ride to practice...just give Junior the keys and off he goes.

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Freedom Dad, Not sure who that guy is but my son played on that BL team and enjoyed every minute of it....it sucks losing doesn't it.

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Freedom Dad, Not sure who that guy is but my son played on that BL team and enjoyed every minute of it....it sucks losing doesn't it.


Not from Freedom, but I really don't like cheaters. And FYI, I personally don't think it hurts anyone to lose a game every now and then, sometimes you learn way more about yourself as a player during a loss.

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C'mon now don't hide be honest with us Knute Rockne if you aren't from Freedom watching the illegal roster switching and assessing B level talent vs A level talent over the course of a game it begs the question why you spending ur free time watching a bunch of young boys running around in short shorts getting all lathered up...just be honest with yourself Freedom dad and if you really aren't (not) get yourself some help

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C'mon now don't hide be honest with us Knute Rockne if you aren't from Freedom watching the illegal roster switching and assessing B level talent vs A level talent over the course of a game it begs the question why you spending ur free time watching a bunch of young boys running around in short shorts getting all lathered up...just be honest with yourself Freedom dad and if you really aren't (not) get yourself some help

Um, you yourself said that they switch players all the time, or did they only do it against Freedom?! Seems weird to me that you (Bethesda dad LOL) you think it has to be a Freedom parent, if they were switching all day (at that tournament) then you would have no idea what team. Sounds like you are protesting a little too much. Must have hit a nerve with the cheating thing

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Which would you rather have your kid play on.... a team with 20+ kids on it where everyone gets to play a half (most club teams) if they are lucky or a team with 15 kids on it where you play the majority of the game...maybe you are gassed but better than sitting on the pine....maybe you enjoy it but adding 2 cents just to make a point seems a bit trivial.

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Not at all my perverse friend. Ask other people that have kids on the team if BL cheats, you know some (come out of the closet) You yourself stated: (cut / paste from your post below)

" Their 2023 "B" team was playing and the second the game ended (and there were a few player that didn't look like "B" players) we all witnessed 3 players sprint from that field to the one above it (where they immediately joined the "A" BL team for a game.

It was the only game that BL played where the 3 players team came from a lower field to join the A game playing on the Stadium Field.

But again if the tournament director approved it as stated then it aint cheating why don't you call NXT and ask them since you seem desparate to prove a point.

Better yet go back to your favorite past time of watching young boys running around playing with their sticks.

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I am curious on why there is an influx of kids "reclassed" in the philly region? Or is it occurring all over the the US, to give their kids an advantage ? If the kid doesn't stand out with age appropriate kids than reclass them so they stand out? What is wrong with people?

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