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Re: Boys 2020 [Re: Anonymous] #179187
08/03/16 10:23 AM
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Omg enough about hold backs.. It is what it is right now . Get your kid in the weight room, continue to work on stick skills & have him get his grades he will be fine. By 10th grade he should be able to compete with all grades the be a D1 player. If you're still complaining then maybe buy a set of golf clubs for you & your son & call it a day. Stop hating if they're not changing the rules.
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HS Elite (99/98) this is for your USBOXLA in SJ Cal this is run by Matt Brown from Univ of Denver. It is the way lacrosse is conducted in Canada. This could be moved to every year because east coast lacrosse has critical mass but it is how it should be done.
Indeed the grade based and holdback issues are the norm now, and there may be no changing this, but this hockey-like model is the best. Clubs can field older teams in each age group and younger teams also. Hockey tournaments use myyhockeyrankings website to gauge where teams should be placed so each tournament division is level (ie no playing down). Also, if teams have a blend of major/minor year kids the team will be forced to pick a level. If they have a mojority of older kids they play in the older part of the division - ie [lacrosse] Major.

Of course, the tournament and club owners want to make it easy for college coaches, so they stick to grades.

I do fine the irony of the ease for the college coaches so they do grade based teams. But 90% of all these showcases and prospect days but 2 or all 4 grades together on the field at the same time.
The best way I think to fix it is to have them in one year windows and have them have some kind of marker to say what grade they are in. I saw at a softball showcase they had the girls wear colored arm bands. It would take 5 min. to put a colored sticker on each kids helmet to say what grade they are in. This would like the college coaches now what they are looking at and it would solve the reclass problem. I think this would help the college coaches more because they would see a real view of the kids with there real peers. IE kids there age not there grade. But they would be able to know the kids grad year with the sticker on the helmet.

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Re: Boys 2020 [Re: Anonymous] #179211
08/03/16 01:28 PM
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Don't you get it..For the 1000th time college coaches don't give a sh*t how old a player is in 8th grade. Contrary to what parents with smaller kids think. In their eyes the system isn't broken. Yes, they all want early recruiting to end but as it stands within the current system not one coach desires any of what you or other holdback critics have suggested. Ask any coach at the next level and they will tell you how they are able to spot the most athletic kids on the field in the first 3 mins of any game at any level. They are interested in fast, skilled, smart, athletics kids that fit their system and have additional upside and are never wondering if that players bday is June or Dec. Complete nonsense.

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HHH is awful and I've seen him get D'd up and not score a single goal several times. He can't beat a defender with speed because he has none. News flash..all Defenders in D1 have speed. He won't make transition. Count on it. Other attackman from FCA who committed to Michigan has much better chance..he can play with both hands, has speed, has tenacity. I'd take him any day over Kelly kid.


You are all delusional. He scored 12 goals in the Under Armour Tournament including the game winner vs DC in OT. He can flat out play. He has benefitted greatly from playing up on the FCA 2019 team, as have the CHC goalie and Loyola A/M committed to MD. Play your boys up, not down. That is how they get better.


Except the two Calvert hall kids are august birthdays and were playing with their own age group (2019) until they decided to drop down to 2020. The UMD kid is a pre-first holdback. They weren't "playing up"

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08/03/16 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't you get it..For the 1000th time college coaches don't give a sh*t how old a player is in 8th grade. Contrary to what parents with smaller kids think. In their eyes the system isn't broken. Yes, they all want early recruiting to end but as it stands within the current system not one coach desires any of what you or other holdback critics have suggested. Ask any coach at the next level and they will tell you how they are able to spot the most athletic kids on the field in the first 3 mins of any game at any level. They are interested in fast, skilled, smart, athletics kids that fit their system and have additional upside and are never wondering if that players bday is June or Dec. Complete nonsense.

Early recruiting is all about additional upside. And there is no way you can see this up side when a kid is 18 months older then the kids on the field.

Re: Boys 2020 [Re: Anonymous] #179249
08/03/16 04:06 PM
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Hahaha.. Really makes me laugh. This summer coaches guilty of early recruiting consistently watched the top 8-10 teams (which include crush, fca, crabs, looneys, Hawks, Sweetlax, West coast stars, LI express etc ) and a select few showcases like Showtime, UA, and blue chip . Basically they viewed a core group of 120-200 athletes over and over. If we had access to all the birthdays of those "core" kids there would be so few examples of 18 month differentials in Birthdays. Point is the median bday at showtime or UA for example is probably Jan 02 Therefore there will be some kids slightly older and some kids slightly younger. They view a group of very talented kids competing against their peers and a 6 or 13 month gap here and there is the furthest thing on their mind. Fact!

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Re: Boys 2020 [Re: Anonymous] #179253
08/03/16 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't you get it..For the 1000th time college coaches don't give a sh*t how old a player is in 8th grade. Contrary to what parents with smaller kids think. In their eyes the system isn't broken. Yes, they all want early recruiting to end but as it stands within the current system not one coach desires any of what you or other holdback critics have suggested. Ask any coach at the next level and they will tell you how they are able to spot the most athletic kids on the field in the first 3 mins of any game at any level. They are interested in fast, skilled, smart, athletics kids that fit their system and have additional upside and are never wondering if that players bday is June or Dec. Complete nonsense.
That's why it's the norm now. College coaches essentially pick a team for each grad year. The clubs and tournaments make it easy for them to do that. They pick up their tournament notebooks ordered by grad year, team and player. Keeps it simple for them.

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08/03/16 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't you get it..For the 1000th time college coaches don't give a sh*t how old a player is in 8th grade. Contrary to what parents with smaller kids think. In their eyes the system isn't broken. Yes, they all want early recruiting to end but as it stands within the current system not one coach desires any of what you or other holdback critics have suggested. Ask any coach at the next level and they will tell you how they are able to spot the most athletic kids on the field in the first 3 mins of any game at any level. They are interested in fast, skilled, smart, athletics kids that fit their system and have additional upside and are never wondering if that players bday is June or Dec. Complete nonsense.


College Coaches are interested in fast, skilled, smart, athletic kids that fit their system, but will NOT remain interested if the parents of those fast, skilled, smart, athletic kids are loud, pushy and overbearing... Do your kids a favor, don't get in the way of THEIR college recruiting process. In the end you both will be happier.

Re: Boys 2020 [Re: Anonymous] #179263
08/03/16 06:32 PM
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Say what? WTH does your response have to do with that dudes post.

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