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Re: High School Lax Boys [Re: Anonymous] #170930
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You can only play 10 players at a time. So while hopefully your best players are upperclassmen the rest sit on the sidelines. How is that good for development. Game experience rather than bench experience is a bit more important. Coaches bring up underclassmen to Varsity because mommy and daddy complain and are flabbergasted at the fact that their son is on JV. These parents say things like" he plays for this travel team and I pay this much for training. He should be on Varsity " So coaches bring them up and they ride the pine. That's really a good way to develop talent.


When it comes to goalie play.
This sounds more like 10th and 11th grade parents making excuses for their kids not playing over a 8th/9th grader. If a kid plays on a specific "elite" travel team 9 out of 10 times his is better and deserving. These are just statements from disgruntled parents who think their kid is better just because they are older. If the kids where in the same grade who is the better player.


Thought Port's goalie was a 5 year starter. Didn't he start and finish every game but one.


Don't think this was about starters.


My comments to clarify were not upload or "ore edited". Don't think anyone was questioning starters but an underclassmen riding the bench instead of playing JV. But its really about something else, as it always is,

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Re: High School Lax Boys [Re: Anonymous] #170941
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I will not have anything bad said about this player or any other.

I am warning you all to keep it civil.

The kid was obviously the BEST option for goalie and that is why he played. The coaches want to win, they do not want to coddle the parents.. Can't wait for these parents to see what happens in college.. lol

Get over it!!


Larry 100% agree. This kid was a great goalie earned a lot of accolades. Never did I say a bad thing about him so don't know where the reference to an attack is coming from.

The issue at hand is a person insists that if a program has 10th graders on JV its a weak program. Really logically explain that to me. How many programs have 10 freshman and 10 sophomores playing up on Varsity. If a program is strong it has enough talented players in each grade to field a good JV and Varsity team. They dont need to rely on underclassmen to make varsity competitive. In the instance that there is a player that is good enough to be moved up they will be as a freshman sophomore even an 8th graders. Most good coaches would prefer to allow players to physically and mentally develop on JV. They are attacking Port JV for having Sophomore players. Not everyone is good enough to play Varsity in 9th or 10th. Some kids have to develop and mature. Yet this asshat keeps attacking Port and it's JV program and Varsity. I give an reasonable answer and they act like a child.


You are defending 10th graders playing on PW JV by ridiculing programs that bring up 8th, 9th and 10th graders by saying they are weak programs that is why the have to bring up younger players.

Syosset started 2 10th graders on attack, 1 LSM, 1 SSDM and 1 Close D - they beat PW varsity handily and Syo JV beat PW JV handily, logic says that the JV score could have been much worse if the Syo 9th and 10th graders played JV and not varsity - so please just admit that Syosset is not a weak program and we can be done with this.


I do think it is telling is if a 10th grader plays JV when an 8th grader or Freshman is pulled up to varsity ahead of the 10th grader, even if they don't see much time. I don't think it states if the JV is weak, being pulled up is a player by player / position by position situation.

Is it a death sentence for a 10th grader, of course not, does it test your metal; absolutely. These kids grow at such fluid rates it could be different year to year. But of course this is LI you don't get better by reclassing and giving your player an extra year. On LI, usually the younger player will also get better too. This is the summer time to get yourself bigger faster stronger. Who puts the work in usually sets players apart - at least the good ones!!!



Great post. You can have a player brought up early due to a lack of player at a certain position. Happens a lot. You can also have a great player that doesnt get much time or brought up because he is a lefty attack and a team has 2 great lefty attack players. So underclass player who is very good will play with JV and practice with varsity. Thats how you improve. Yes those who work hard usually get better and recognized. And, there are underclass players who are very deserving of being brought up, but there are those who are brought up for reasons other than being stud players..


You twisted my words, I unequivocally do not think practicing with varsity to ONLY play JV is a good thing. Maybe you get a game or two against tougher JV teams that is all. If you are good enough to practice then you are a varsity player riding the pine or not.

What I think you are alluding to though are mommy and daddy's with Rose colored glasses. In my experience the older players parents are the ones who's glasses are most shaded, usually with a tint of jealousy.


what was being said is that a player can practice with Varsity yet get playing time in games with JV. So he is practicing with the better players yet is getting playing time in games with JV rather than ride the bench during Varsity games.

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What works best for one kid might not work for another kid. What works best for one school might not work for another. There are a lot of factors involved in the decision to move an 8th or 9th grader up to varsity, I have been through this with my kids.

ability
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need at the position
development
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parental pressure
school policy and or philosophy

each case is different and you have to do what is in the best interest of your kid and hope the varsity coach does what he feels is in the best interest of the kid but his responsibility is to the team and the program as well as the individual.

If a 9th grader is the second best goalie or second best fogo in the school it might be in the best interest of the kid to play JV and get the game experience but it would definitely be in the teams best interest to be on the bench for the varsity in case he is needed so you have a clear conflict between what is better for the kid and what is better for the team.

There are opinions but know right answers

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Suffolk wins rising Junior game 14-5

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What works best for one kid might not work for another kid. What works best for one school might not work for another. There are a lot of factors involved in the decision to move an 8th or 9th grader up to varsity, I have been through this with my kids.

ability
size
maturity
need at the position
development
experience
parental pressure
school policy and or philosophy

each case is different and you have to do what is in the best interest of your kid and hope the varsity coach does what he feels is in the best interest of the kid but his responsibility is to the team and the program as well as the individual.

If a 9th grader is the second best goalie or second best fogo in the school it might be in the best interest of the kid to play JV and get the game experience but it would definitely be in the teams best interest to be on the bench for the varsity in case he is needed so you have a clear conflict between what is better for the kid and what is better for the team.

There are opinions but know right answers

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Thank you!

This is one of the best posts I have sen on BOTC.

Well Said... Spot on.

Glad to see there are some intelligent posts here.

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Re: High School Lax Boys [Re: America's Game] #171027
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Originally Posted by America's Game
Suffolk wins rising Junior game 14-5


Suffolk sweep!!

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Originally Posted by America's Game
Suffolk wins rising Junior game 14-5


I could have told you that.after seeing Nassau team having half the kids from two schools. Teams should be picked based on talent not school. Maybe not a good sign for those two schools going forward . It is what it is and it only cost you an extra $100 so not bad after all. Makes it tough for the college coaches to think your kid is one of the better players when they get beat up like that. Live and learn not to do this again.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Suffolk wins rising Junior game 14-5


I could have told you that.after seeing Nassau team having half the kids from two schools. Teams should be picked based on talent not school. Maybe not a good sign for those two schools going forward . It is what it is and it only cost you an extra $100 so not bad after all. Makes it tough for the college coaches to think your kid is one of the better players when they get beat up like that. Live and learn not to do this again.


23 players from 16 schools and you deduct that half are from two schools and that is not a good sign going forward? doesn't add up. Whats next? your gonna say "they bought their frickin' toys"

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Suffolk wins rising Junior game 14-5


I could have told you that.after seeing Nassau team having half the kids from two schools. Teams should be picked based on talent not school. Maybe not a good sign for those two schools going forward . It is what it is and it only cost you an extra $100 so not bad after all. Makes it tough for the college coaches to think your kid is one of the better players when they get beat up like that. Live and learn not to do this again.


23 players from 16 schools and you deduct that half are from two schools and that is not a good sign going forward? doesn't add up. Whats next? your gonna say "they bought their frickin' toys"


Don't feel like it's only Nassau. These coaches need to remember that kids hear and then talk. Certain kids at Suffolk final 40 game were being told not to worry about going in, and "let the other guys play". "You'll be fine". If that's what it's going to be just make it an all star game based on reputation. Oh wait....sorry, they couldn't collect the try out fees then. What was I thinking?!?!

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how bout a simple good job TEAM LONG ISLAND I mean suffolk

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Re: High School Lax Boys [Re: Anonymous] #171412
06/20/16 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Suffolk wins rising Junior game 14-5


I could have told you that.after seeing Nassau team having half the kids from two schools. Teams should be picked based on talent not school. Maybe not a good sign for those two schools going forward . It is what it is and it only cost you an extra $100 so not bad after all. Makes it tough for the college coaches to think your kid is one of the better players when they get beat up like that. Live and learn not to do this again.


23 players from 16 schools and you deduct that half are from two schools and that is not a good sign going forward? doesn't add up. Whats next? your gonna say "they bought their frickin' toys"


Don't feel like it's only Nassau. These coaches need to remember that kids hear and then talk. Certain kids at Suffolk final 40 game were being told not to worry about going in, and "let the other guys play". "You'll be fine". If that's what it's going to be just make it an all star game based on reputation. Oh wait....sorry, they couldn't collect the try out fees then. What was I thinking?!?!


maybe a positive spin could be put on the above scenario that the coach recognizes that player A was clearly going to make the team and he was giving player B the opportunity to make the team or get a few extra reps in front of the college coaches

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Are the UA Underclass rosters out yet for Long Island?

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I thought you had to show up to both nights of UA tryouts to make the team. What a joke! That team was picked and influenced way before tryouts started. The kids even heard someone (adult) say it at all star game. Same old lacrosse BS

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I thought you had to show up to both nights of UA tryouts to make the team. What a joke! That team was picked and influenced way before tryouts started. The kids even heard someone (adult) say it at all star game. Same old lacrosse BS


For Command or Highlight.

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Looks like most of the old Tenacious Turtles make up the Highlight team...all good players, I see no Turtle fogo, has he fallen off? Don't think he had much playing time in HS

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