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Re: 2016 Men's College Lacrosse Season D1, D2, and D3
Anonymous #167267 05/28/16 09:07 AM
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I think we are losing track of the argument here. Your assertion that the schools that ER have not been successful just simply doesnt have any merit, but that is a completely separate argument than whether or not these schools are getting all the best kids. Again the talent pool is so vast and expanded now, youre starting to see the parity youre seeing. The statement that JHU should win with their 3rd line is asinine and they deserved to be in the tourney and yes they did get their doors blown in by Brown. Brown is a perfect example of superior coaching BTW. Lars Tiffany took some very talented players and implemented a system that fit their skillsets the best and hes run with it all year. This is direct contrast to Breschi and Starsia. Breschi and Starsia have had the talent, but havent figured out how to implement a style that fits those kids the best. Oh and Lyle Thompson is a sick athlete, he can dunk a basketball and runs like a deer plus all the attributes you mentioned. I dont know what your stake in this is, but I can tell you my son was not an ER, and I dont necessarily agree with the practice but I dont think we can say with any degree of certainty what effect if any it has had at the college level

The point is, if you allow yourself to see it is: These school do not have the talent they thought they had. Plain and simple.
The reason the best College Basketball teams are consistently at the top is because they continue to get the BEST kids. You could resurrect John Wooden, have him Coach at NYU, guess what they're NEVER winning a National Championship. Without the best players, all the Coaching in the world won't matter.
In Lacrosse we ARE definitely seeing the effects of ER, combined with the recruitment of holdbacks and double holdbacks. Many of these holdback ARE the early recruits. A great majority have been going to 4 or 5 schools for the last 4 or 5 years. It is not paying off. Schools that waited a bit longer, have kids that are just as good if not better than those ER kids. Lastly, from what I see, Brown has a great fogo that gets the ball to an insane attack line. Molloy dodges from behind. He either blows by his man or the double and scores, if that doesn't work he feeds. How in the world did Tiffany ever come up with that ground breaking system??? If Molloy can't play today or plays and isn't 100%, and Brown still wins, I'll tip my cap to Tiffany.

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Anonymous #167268 05/28/16 09:23 AM
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I think we are losing track of the argument here. Your assertion that the schools that ER have not been successful just simply doesnt have any merit, but that is a completely separate argument than whether or not these schools are getting all the best kids. Again the talent pool is so vast and expanded now, youre starting to see the parity youre seeing. The statement that JHU should win with their 3rd line is asinine and they deserved to be in the tourney and yes they did get their doors blown in by Brown. Brown is a perfect example of superior coaching BTW. Lars Tiffany took some very talented players and implemented a system that fit their skillsets the best and hes run with it all year. This is direct contrast to Breschi and Starsia. Breschi and Starsia have had the talent, but havent figured out how to implement a style that fits those kids the best. Oh and Lyle Thompson is a sick athlete, he can dunk a basketball and runs like a deer plus all the attributes you mentioned. I dont know what your stake in this is, but I can tell you my son was not an ER, and I dont necessarily agree with the practice but I dont think we can say with any degree of certainty what effect if any it has had at the college level

The point is, if you allow yourself to see it is: These school do not have the talent they thought they had. Plain and simple.
The reason the best College Basketball teams are consistently at the top is because they continue to get the BEST kids. You could resurrect John Wooden, have him Coach at NYU, guess what they're NEVER winning a National Championship. Without the best players, all the Coaching in the world won't matter.
In Lacrosse we ARE definitely seeing the effects of ER, combined with the recruitment of holdbacks and double holdbacks. Many of these holdback ARE the early recruits. A great majority have been going to 4 or 5 schools for the last 4 or 5 years. It is not paying off. Schools that waited a bit longer, have kids that are just as good if not better than those ER kids. Lastly, from what I see, Brown has a great fogo that gets the ball to an insane attack line. Molloy dodges from behind. He either blows by his man or the double and scores, if that doesn't work he feeds. How in the world did Tiffany ever come up with that ground breaking system??? If Molloy can't play today or plays and isn't 100%, and Brown still wins, I'll tip my cap to Tiffany.


As for Brown, youre only seeing part of what they do. Everything they do is uptempo and fast. Their poles stay on the field and play offense and rarely do you see them settle into a 6 v 6 offense. Larken Kemp their LSM was just voted an AA, there is no way that kid is an AA in the ACC. Tiffany put that kid in the perfect system for him to succeed. Yes the FOGO is very good and gets them possessions, but again without the system they play they would settle into a 6v6 offense and play just like everyone else. They did beat Navy without Molloy and Navy is a pretty dam good defensive team. Nobody said what Tiffany is doing is groundbreaking, he is just simply putting his kids in the best positions for them to be successful which is what a good coach does.

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America's Game #167280 05/28/16 11:07 AM
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How can you see the game online?

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America's Game #167281 05/28/16 11:14 AM
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the game is on now watch Espn or Espn 2

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wow, a ten goal lead with 6mins left in the 1st half. Nor sure if the shot clock means anything. Almost counter sportsman like. Empty the bench and live for Monday!

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Sub now save the legs, ...it is like Africa hot!

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How can you see the game online?


WatchESPN app on your iPhone or Roku. It's also on ESPN 2. Optimum ch35.

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Oh boy!! Loyola mounting a comeback.......

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Oh boy!! Loyola mounting a comeback.......


those 2 horrible calls in the 1st qtr are coming back to bite Loyola.

#7 has played well but takes to many plays off. at 3:30 left in the game you don't loaf around on the ride. great game to tell young attack players to watch. NEVER TAKE A PLAY OFF!!!!

fun game to watch if you were a UNC fan.

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Did the officials want Maryland to win? Good Lord what a horrendous job on a National stage!!!!!
Brown nearly pulled it off despite the officials.

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Did the officials want Maryland to win? Good Lord what a horrendous job on a National stage!!!!!
Brown nearly pulled it off despite the officials.


That trip couldn't be more obvious, and ref was looking right at it! Stopped a fast break. Just awful

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Did the officials want Maryland to win? Good Lord what a horrendous job on a National stage!!!!!
Brown nearly pulled it off despite the officials.


That trip couldn't be more obvious, and ref was looking right at it! Stopped a fast break. Just awful


There was one on brown later on in the game though that wasn't called. Browns 24 turnovers certainly didn't help at all

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So Maryland-UNC final....... Im not sure but Ive heard that both of those schools early recruit. Crazy that they are both in the final, who saw that coming?

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Why not jump on the bandwagon ... The ER don't even play a role in these teams yet.

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Let's all wave good bye to UVA, Duke, Hop and very shortly UNC. You heard it here, earlier in the year. You had folks saying "they'll all be in the final four". Truth be told, Hop didn't even belong in the tournament, they are simply a .500 lacrosse team. The biggest offenders of recruiting holdbacks and double holds as well as 14 year olds are all on the tournament scrap heap. UNC with all it's "top" recruits (not) could barley get by a team that's only been around for 4 years. Don't know for sure, but I'm sure MU didn't have any Inside Lacrosse ranked or Ty X ranked kids on the team. Yet somehow they nearly knocked off a team loaded with kids who were committed to UNC before MU even had a D1 program!!! A total and utter affirmation of the ill's of ER recruiting and Holdbacks. These kids are not panning out for the most part, true some are, but most aren't. The best 8th graders are not the best college players, now a fact. Kids who excel at playing down one two to years cannot compete at the next level. Proven fact. Not sure why these coaches continue to recruit from this pool, its just not working out for the most part. Quite frankly, I'm loving it. Only wish MU got rid of UNC, pretty sure that happens next week. It's great for the sport! Go, Brown, Loyola, Towson and Yale!


You think the teams the ER aren't left? Just silly.


Silly??? The only ER left is MD, they haven't won anything in decades... 3 or 4 of their top players are transfers. Most all of the other teams have been much later recruiters until very recently.


Silly.


Don't worry, MD goes back on the scrap heap next week. Cuse takes care of business and Tillman chokes again. BTW Cuse just started recruiting early this year. What do Brown, Towson, Loyola, Navy all have in common, much later recruiters. Silly isn't it?
Next week MD and UNC join the others who got all those "top" recruits... Too funny. I love how Hop just gets blown out and the talking heads try to blame it on injuries... They should be killing Brown with their 3rd stringers. They were all "top recruits" lol.


Ok so how you feeling about this statement right about now? Too funny how you have absolutely no clue of what your talking about. Those "top recruits" turned out to be pretty dam good after all........It ok though D3 has some really competitive lax too....

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