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Re: College, Coaches, Recruitment : 2012-2013
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Is there any reputable recruiting site where a 9th grader should register for college contact? I keep getting stuff from companies that charge a big fee and my parents can't afford it. I currently play varsity and play on a travel team in the summer. Thank you for your help.

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Is there any reputable recruiting site where a 9th grader should register for college contact? I keep getting stuff from companies that charge a big fee and my parents can't afford it. I currently play varsity and play on a travel team in the summer. Thank you for your help.
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Re: College, Coaches, Recruitment : 2012-2013
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In addition to signing up for that site, find some colleges you are interested in and email the coaches there and let them know who you are and things like that. Try to go to the individual tournaments/camps those are the best way to expose yourself to college coaches. Ask your coach(s) to write a letter for you that you can share with a coach if they ask to speak to a coach. Those are all things that cost nothing but time to do!

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Question regarding available scholarships in D1 women's lacrosse:

D1 programs have maximum of 12 scholarships. Assuming the school is fully funded with 12 out of state tuition amount, does it make a difference whether the recruit is in-state or out of state? For example, college "A" is a public school in Maryland with cost for in-state recruit at $25,000 per year and out of state recruit at $50,000 per year. In calculating how many scholarships available, does the school have $600,000 to divide up among the players anyway they want to? I guess what I'm asking is... does it matter whether the recruit is in-state or out of state (for fully funded public schools)? Hope I didn't confuse you too much.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Question regarding available scholarships in D1 women's lacrosse:

D1 programs have maximum of 12 scholarships. Assuming the school is fully funded with 12 out of state tuition amount, does it make a difference whether the recruit is in-state or out of state? For example, college "A" is a public school in Maryland with cost for in-state recruit at $25,000 per year and out of state recruit at $50,000 per year. In calculating how many scholarships available, does the school have $600,000 to divide up among the players anyway they want to? I guess what I'm asking is... does it matter whether the recruit is in-state or out of state (for fully funded public schools)? Hope I didn't confuse you too much.
Excellent question. The NCAA Compliance committee does not calculate scholarships in terms of dollars (as we are parents will). The NCAA literally considers the fractions of scholarships regardless of the value.

In your example with a $25,000 in-state and $50,000 out-of-state tuition, the following five examples are identical from an NCAA Compliance perspective :

(a) Two in-state students receiving 0.25 each.
(b) One in-state and one out-of-state student each receiving 0.25.
(c) Two out-of-state students receiving 0.25 each.
(d) One in-state student receiving 0.50.
(e) One out-of-state student receiving 0.50.

In all five cases, 0.50 is spent towards the limit of 12.0 NCAA Division I women's lacrosse scholarships. [Remember, the current number is 12.6 for NCAA Division I men's lacrosse. The NCAA Division II limit is 10.8 for men and 9.9 for women.]

This is where the athletic department works very carefully with the financial aid office in order to most appropriately fund undergraduate student-athlete scholarships in the most cost effective (and compliance effective) manner.

The topic has a second layer which more technically describes the scholarship process : some sports are considered headcount sports while others are considered equivalency sports.
  • "Head-count" sports, in which the NCAA limits the total number of individuals that can receive athletic scholarships, but allows each player to receive up to a full scholarship.
  • "Equivalency" sports, in which the NCAA limits the total financial aid that a school can offer in a given sport to the equivalent of a set number of full scholarships. Roster limitations may or may not apply, depending on the sport.
Men's and women's lacrosse, both equivalency sports, are measure in total "counted" scholarships.

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In 2012, 451 institutions sponsored varsity Lacrosse. Combining schools with both men's and women's programs, there are currently 101 NCAA Division I schools (59 Men, 93 Women), 79 NCAA Division II schools (47 Men, 67 Women), and 230 NCAA Division III programs (188 Men, 205 Women).

From a pure numbers perspective, parents and student-athletes alike will find the following information to be very valuable.

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Re: College, Coaches, Recruitment : 2012-2013
CageSage #32969 06/13/13 03:02 PM
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The Chances of a High School Lacrosse Player, Playing Lacrosse in College is 11.7%

better odds in fencing,,,

The following are the chances of high school girls competing at the college level by sport:
High School College % competing
School Sponsored Sport Girls Women in College *
Archery 677 29 4.3%
Badminton 12,150 128 1.1%
Basketball 436,100 27,566 6.3%
Beach / Sand Volleyball n/a 245 n/m
Bowling 25,980 1,056 4.1%
Cross Country 212,262 18,245 8.6%
Cycling n/a 52 n/m
Equestrian 1,430 2,124 n/m
Fencing 1,771 674 38.1%
Field Hockey 60,607 5,632 9.3%
Golf 71,086 6,135 8.6%
Gymnastics 19,119 1,561 8.2%
Ice Hockey 8,833 2,007 22.7%
Lacrosse 74,993 8,784 11.7%
Rifle 1,418 189 13.3%
Rodeo 118 840 n/m
Rowing 6,261 7,192 n/m
Rugby n/a 147 n/m
Sailing n/a 644 n/m
Sand Volleyball n/a 63 n/m
Skiing 9,314 509 5.5%
Snowboarding 310 19 6.1%
Soccer 371,393 35,490 9.6%
Softball 381,116 29,670 7.8%
Squash n/a 397 n/m
Swimming & Diving 160,456 13,078 8.2%
Synchronized Swimming 575 65 11.3%
Tennis 218,093 10,737 4.9%
Track & Field (excl x-country) 529,200 45,529 8.6%
Volleyball 418,903 25,165 6.0%
Water Polo 18,749 1,829 9.8%
Wrestling 8,235 243 3.0%
Total Athletes Participating 3,067,100 245,981 8.0%
Cheerleading & Drill Teams ** 137,089 n/a
Other Sports 3,344 181
Totals: 2011-2012 school Year 3,207,533 246,162

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Got it. Thanks for taking the time to explain!

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Chances of a High School Lacrosse Player, Playing Lacrosse in College is 11.7% ... better odds in fencing ...

The following are the chances of high school girls competing at the college level by sport:
High School College % competing
School Sponsored Sport Girls Women in College *
Lacrosse 74,993 8,784 11.7%
BOTC is not sure that the High School participation counts and collegiate participation counts are the right prism through which one should view the chances of playing in college. While it says that college count is 11.7% of the High School count, the likelihood is that the better lacrosse players who are part of the Northeast club scene will have a much better than 1-in-9 chance of playing college lacrosse.

If you return to the link that BOTC posted, you will see that your figure of 8,784 collegiate women's players exactly matches our data.

The problem here is that the 8,784 players includes everything : NCAA Division I, Division II, Division III, NAIA, NJCAA, and unaffiliated divisions. So, if one is just looking at NCAA numbers, you find the following :

NCAA Division I : 2,536
NCAA Division II : 1,546
NCAA Division III: 4,192

Our point here is that only 4,082 of the 8,784 are scholarship eligible.

When you go one step further, you find that there are only 1,116 total women's NCAA Division I scholarships for everyone and 663 NCAA Division II scholarships available.

That makes 1,776 scholarships in total being spread across 4,082 players. If everything was equal and fully funded, that would mean that the average player is competing for 43%. However as we know, elder classmen will receive increasing awards in general which means entry students are receiving substantially less.

The bottom line is that the numbers should not be looking at all High School players compared to the collegiate numbers. Instead, look at the number of Division I/II positions related to scholarship aspirations.

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CageSage:

was wondering if most d1 public schools have the ability to give in-state status to recruits who are out-of-state. In many cases, there is a significant difference in tuition $ between in-state and out-of-state students.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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was wondering if most d1 public schools have the ability to give in-state status to recruits who are out-of-state. In many cases, there is a significant difference in tuition $ between in-state and out-of-state students.
When the NCAA Compliance calculations are done, the actual scholarship dollars awarded for equivilency sports (such as lacrosse) are not the criteria. Instead, the total number of scholarships are counted. Hence, there is no difference from an NCAA Compliance reporting perspective whether the scholarship is awarded as in-state or out-of-state.

What is interesting about this discussion is that some states say that students who spend more than 26 weeks in-state for their college studies (as any student would with two 15 week semesters) are considered residents of that state (Massachusetts is famous for this) and therefore subject to civic duties such as jury duty. None the less, the in-state vs. out-of-state debate is not an NCAA Regulatory issue.

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I understand it's not an NCAA regulatory issue, but was wondering if it was common practice for schools to allow out-of-state recruits/students to be given in-state status. Don't know if each school can make that determination or since they are a "state" school, is it determined by a governing body in that state? I'm thinking if lacrosse coaches can get their school to give them in-state status for ou-of-state recruits, they may be able to get more recruits interested in their school due to lower cost. Otherwise, the cost of attending an out-of-state public schools can be as much as some of the private schools.

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was wondering if most d1 public schools have the ability to give in-state status to recruits who are out-of-state. In many cases, there is a significant difference in tuition $ between in-state and out-of-state students.
When the NCAA Compliance calculations are done, the actual scholarship dollars awarded for equivilency sports (such as lacrosse) are not the criteria. Instead, the total number of scholarships are counted. Hence, there is no difference from an NCAA Compliance reporting perspective whether the scholarship is awarded as in-state or out-of-state.

What is interesting about this discussion is that some states say that students who spend more than 26 weeks in-state for their college studies (as any student would with two 15 week semesters) are considered residents of that state (Massachusetts is famous for this) and therefore subject to civic duties such as jury duty. None the less, the in-state vs. out-of-state debate is not an NCAA Regulatory issue.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I understand it's not an NCAA regulatory issue, but was wondering if it was common practice for schools to allow out-of-state recruits/students to be given in-state status. Don't know if each school can make that determination or since they are a "state" school, is it determined by a governing body in that state? I'm thinking if lacrosse coaches can get their school to give them in-state status for ou-of-state recruits, they may be able to get more recruits interested in their school due to lower cost. Otherwise, the cost of attending an out-of-state public schools can be as much as some of the private schools.
You are thinking in terms of MONEY, not scholarship counts. From an NCAA perspective, a 0.25 scholarship for $10,000 and a 0.25 scholarship for $2,500 are EXACTLY the same - 25%. The cash value has no meaning.

If you are then talking about how the remaining 75% is funded (hence in-state making it cheaper for the family paying the bill), wouldn't it be the case that every out-of-state student could then be considered "in-state"? This has to do with the primary bill payer's residence and a variety of legal issues tied to that. Certainly, this is not in-scope for the athletic department.

As for the cost of a state school for out-of-state students, the best examples of paying increased pricing would be Penn State, University of Michigan, and the University of Virginia.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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was wondering if most d1 public schools have the ability to give in-state status to recruits who are out-of-state. In many cases, there is a significant difference in tuition $ between in-state and out-of-state students.


FWIW, IME schools can give their out-of-state students out-of-state tuition waivers, meaning that the student now pays the in-state tuition. My daughter got this, it was tied to her academic standing, and the coach liked it since it didn't come from his athletic bucket of money. My assumption is any public school could offer this but whether they do or not beats me. Try googling the school with "out-of-state waiver" and see what pops up.

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The start of August is the traditional transition period as rising grade levels become official grade level members. This mean that we say farewell to our Class of 2013 High School Senior class members and wish them well with their collegiate studies.

This is also the time when we roll the College Forum forward here on BOTC; we close the old year's discussion and open a new year of action. BOTC welcomes the new Class of 2017 High School freshmen in addition to our new sophomores, juniors, and seniors.

We now are closing the College, Coaches, Recruitment : 2012-2013 thread.

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