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Re: Boys 2020 [Re: Anonymous] #162855
05/02/16 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Actually it should be called "People who
don't give a fvck about how their actions impact others". Let's call it
what it is.
Perfect comeback....You must be "that" Dad... By the
way to make your point heard more...What club does your kid play for?
Let's compare and figure out why you are so angry


Yes...it was a perfect comeback.

I am from the club that is tired of having to explain to our 13 year olds
why they have to play against 15 year olds, why some people believe that
this is perfectly normal, and why they continue to defend their flawed
logic in spite of overwhelming consensus from the community and increased
scrutiny from the organizing bodies of the sport.


why don't you have your coach or parents of your son's teammates that were held back explain it to them.

btw- up until the change to grade just a few years ago - 8th grade lacrsosse was u15. Meaning you could turn 15 during the fall of that season. So for proceeding 40-50 yrs it was ok to have 13 year olds (that are almost 14) play against kids who turned 15 in the past 5-6 months. The hold back stuff has been in play for decades. Why the hysteria now?

If your 13 year old is having a tough time playing in 2020 elite he should be playing 2020 AA. There are plenty of hold backs on those teams as well. They are just not as good. But the competition and coaching is for the most part excelllent

for the record i'm a different poster than above and my kids are july '00 2018 and may '02 2020 and not crabs

Or play REC

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Re: Boys 2020 [Re: Anonymous] #162856
05/02/16 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
BS...Take a look at the UNC roster and tell me the Kelly's are not holdback's. By the way I have no problem with holdbacks.


Only the FOGO is. Turned 19 a few months into senior year of HS. Other 2 on age.

Re: Boys 2020 [Re: TLaxOne] #162858
05/02/16 04:24 PM
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The difference being there are 16 year olds on the Crabs 2020 team. Those kids should be in the 10th grade. How many 8th graders do you know that have their driver's license?


Re: Boys 2020 [Re: Anonymous] #162861
05/02/16 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually it should be called "People who
don't give a fvck about how their actions impact others". Let's call it
what it is.
Perfect comeback....You must be "that" Dad... By the
way to make your point heard more...What club does your kid play for?
Let's compare and figure out why you are so angry


Yes...it was a perfect comeback.

I am from the club that is tired of having to explain to our 13 year olds
why they have to play against 15 year olds, why some people believe that
this is perfectly normal, and why they continue to defend their flawed
logic in spite of overwhelming consensus from the community and increased
scrutiny from the organizing bodies of the sport.


why don't you have your coach or parents of your son's teammates that were held back explain it to them.

btw- up until the change to grade just a few years ago - 8th grade lacrsosse was u15. Meaning you could turn 15 during the fall of that season. So for proceeding 40-50 yrs it was ok to have 13 year olds (that are almost 14) play against kids who turned 15 in the past 5-6 months. The hold back stuff has been in play for decades. Why the hysteria now?

If your 13 year old is having a tough time playing in 2020 elite he should be playing 2020 AA. There are plenty of hold backs on those teams as well. They are just not as good. But the competition and coaching is for the most part excelllent

for the record i'm a different poster than above and my kids are july '00 2018 and may '02 2020 and not crabs

Or play REC


By this logic, if a 13 year old can't compete with a 15 year old then he is in the wrong bracket.

When it was U15 a couple of things happened...

Generally, older kids were on the A team, younger kids were on the B team who would then become the A team as the older ones moved on. This was standard practice everywhere.

Teams or kids who had more talent had the option to play up (their choice)- let me know if you need us to explain what that means.

With the move to grade based the option has been taken away and kids are effectively forced to play up, (except the holdbacks who continue to play down). Saying that these kids should play A or B instead merely cascades the problem downward. The net result being that the selfish actions of a small minority have a negative impact on the entire population.






Re: Boys 2020 [Re: Anonymous] #162862
05/02/16 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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I think that all of this holdback/re-class nonsense is a joke like most here do. Crabs rolling out 6'2" 185lb, 6'1" 215lb "8th graders" is ridiculous.

If re-class is the way to go why don't the Kelly's do it or the McDonogh coach with his boys?


What are you talking about. There are as many holdbacks at Calvert Hall as there are anywhere else. Why do you think FCA has so many? The Kelly's run that organization.

And as far as McDonogh goes, they have more prefirst kids on Crabs teams than any other MIAA school.

Nice try, but you are completely wrong on your assessment.


I was referring to their own children. They play on age. I know that both have holdbacks, particularly McDonogh but Hilgartners and Kellys OWN CHILDREN play on age. Got it now sparky.

Well of course they do not play the hold back game they do not need to. They are the system there kids will be seen. There kids will play in front of anyone there parents want them to play in front of. If your father is a head coach of a college or large private lacrosse school you do not need to cheat. Its like if you played in the NFL your son will get the option to play D1 football no matter how avg a player he is.


First of all you should not be talking about specific youth players. And second obviously neither one of you know what you are talking about in reference to their children. You must have some agenda. Spreading lies and rumors about players either way doesnt go well.

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Re: Boys 2020 [Re: Anonymous] #162863
05/02/16 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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BS...Take a look at the UNC roster and tell me the Kelly's are not holdback's. By the way I have no problem with holdbacks.
Ha...Just did and wala...Holdbacks they are (my best yoda)


But the guy above said the Kelly's all played up? You mean clubs other than crabs have holdbacks? And that their owners not only advocate holdbacks but their own kids did? This can't be true. The Crabs are gaming the system. RM has single-handedly ruined youth lacrosse. Blah blah blah

Re: Boys 2020 [Re: TLaxOne] #162867
05/02/16 04:56 PM
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Get real people. Who do you think writes the big donation checks to US lacrosse? The most influential family in Maryland lacrosse....Give me a break...Why do you think everything went grade based...Don't blame Crabs....

Re: Boys 2020 [Re: Anonymous] #162869
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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BS...Take a look at the UNC roster and tell me the Kelly's are not holdback's. By the way I have no problem with holdbacks.
Ha...Just did and wala...Holdbacks they are (my best yoda)


But the guy above said the Kelly's all played up? You mean clubs other than crabs have holdbacks? And that their owners not only advocate holdbacks but their own kids did? This can't be true. The Crabs are gaming the system. RM has single-handedly ruined youth lacrosse. Blah blah blah


Glad you finally understand.

Re: Boys 2020 [Re: TLaxOne] #162872
05/02/16 05:11 PM
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Serious question - why did it go grade based? Who is the influential family?


Re: Boys 2020 [Re: Anonymous] #162875
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Serious question - why did it go grade based? Who is the influential family?

me...because I said so

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Re: Boys 2020 [Re: Anonymous] #162876
05/02/16 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Serious question - why did it go grade based? Who is the influential family?



That is a good question. I have wondered where the concept came from, how was it developed.
I would be surprised if they gave up the name of the influential family.

Re: Boys 2020 [Re: Anonymous] #162879
05/02/16 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Serious question - why did it go grade based? Who is the influential family?



That is a good question. I have wondered where the concept came from, how was it developed.
I would be surprised if they gave up the name of the influential family.


I believe it was, in part, to make it easier for college (or HS) coaches to know what they are looking at. When looking at a U-13-U15-U17 they would not know exactly what year the kid was graduating, when looking at 2018, they know.

I don't think anyone envisioned opportunistic people exploiting this the way they have, but here we are.

Re: Boys 2020 [Re: Anonymous] #162881
05/02/16 05:54 PM
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Wow...after I posted this I checked to make sure I had chosen my words correctly, looks perfect to me...

Opportunistic - exploiting opportunities with little regard to principle or consequences

Re: Boys 2020 [Re: Anonymous] #162883
05/02/16 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Get real people. Who do you think writes the big donation checks to US lacrosse? The most influential family in Maryland lacrosse....Give me a break...Why do you think everything went grade based...Don't blame Crabs....


Grade based would have been much different if crabs did not take it as a business opportunity and manipulate the rules in their favor.

Re: Boys 2020 [Re: TLaxOne] #162889
05/02/16 07:00 PM
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First world problem, for sure!

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