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Crabs 2020 isn't going up because the lineup is terrible, so it's a waste of time and gas to drive up there. Truth hurts.


That would be a poor reflection on character. Like they did not know ahead of time the line up? The Club was throwing another hissy fit that they could not control the organizer and the rules they were playing under. Truth.

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Crabs 2020 isn't going up because the lineup is terrible, so it's a waste of time and gas to drive up there. Truth hurts.


So they committ to playing and then cancel a few days before because they are too good? Says a lot and supports the all about them attitude. They have done that several times or left early from venues this spring. What prima Donas and bad sports.


Crabs 2020 was never going. Just keep making up more lies. It's what this site is for apparently.

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And this surprises no one. What do you expect from an organization that has 16 year olds on their 8th grade team? Ethical behavior is not their strong suit.

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Crabs 2020 isn't going up because the lineup is terrible, so it's a waste of time and gas to drive up there. Truth hurts.


So they committ to playing and then cancel a few days before because they are too good? Says a lot and supports the all about them attitude. They have done that several times or left early from venues this spring. What prima Donas and bad sports.


Crabs 2020 was never going. Just keep making up more lies. It's what this site is for apparently.


They actually were going out of town for a play day that was planned for months. Maybe they just did not tell you.

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Goalie broke his hand. Slammed it in the car door at Drivers Ed.


Flat out lie..He slipped on floor and broke it while registering for selective service.

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Crabs 2020 isn't going up because the lineup is terrible, so it's a waste of time and gas to drive up there. Truth hurts.


So they committ to playing and then cancel a few days before because they are too good? Says a lot and supports the all about them attitude. They have done that several times or left early from venues this spring. What prima Donas and bad sports.


Crabs 2020 was never going. Just keep making up more lies. It's what this site is for apparently.


It was on Crabs website until taken off??

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of course there is no competition their a 2019 team what do they expect. They need to play MIAA JV Schedule.

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of course there is no competition their a 2019 team what do they expect. They need to play MIAA JV Schedule.


But then they might lose and that would be devastating for these holdbacks and their team mates. Instead it works better for them to keep beating up on kids younger and smaller then them and claim to be winners. What is frightening is the extent their parents will go to convince their sons that they are winners or the parents of the few non holdbacks on the teams that are telling their sons it is okay to coast along on the tail of others who are taking advantage of younger kids.

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You jealous dads are funny. Sorry things aren't working out for you.

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Crabs should be irrelevant to this thread. The on age players that give them a run for their money, and there are those that will, are the ones that will stand out. A team win at this age is not as important as what an individual can do as they play against a team of older kids. When up against other holdbacks, and younger kids with more talent, the holdbacks lose their advantage. If they can only beat your team by 3-4 goals, is that a true "win" for them? I'd call it embarrassing if that is the best they have against younger kids. Play them, play hard, enjoy the fact that your kids can score on them, defend against them and stop their shots, especially if they are a year or two younger than these left back kids. When you can stand out against these kids, you take away their power and many kids will be able to do so. As far as them being a 2020, count them out and move forward. Let them boast and brag and know that they only got there by playing younger teams. Your kids and teams could do the same if you made a team of older kids, not a big feat or anything to applaud, but certainly not worth degrading your kids ability and intelligence by leaving them back in school and playing on younger teams.

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Clapping. They are becoming more irrelevant to the other elite teams every day. They have not had any games in the hoco league where they did not have a coach screaming threats at them and that they did not need to keep their hold backs in not did they get out of double digits but once so kudos to all the teams that have played them so far. They would be truly irrelevant if they were playing on age and you have shown your stuff by challenging them despite 40-80 pound weight differences and at times over a foot height difference. You are truly the standouts - must feel great for them to get beat on defense by a kid so much smaller and younger then them!

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Crabs 2020 isn't going up because the lineup is terrible, so it's a waste of time and gas to drive up there. Truth hurts.


So they committ to playing and then cancel a few days before because they are too good? Says a lot and supports the all about them attitude. They have done that several times or left early from venues this spring. What prima Donas and bad sports.


Crabs 2020 was never going. Just keep making up more lies. It's what this site is for apparently.


It was on Crabs website until taken off??


Decided not to go once they found out that there was no checking allowed. What 7th and 8th grade boys play no checking? Waste of time driving up for that.

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Clapping. They are becoming more irrelevant to the other elite teams every day. They have not had any games in the hoco league where they did not have a coach screaming threats at them and that they did not need to keep their hold backs in not did they get out of double digits but once so kudos to all the teams that have played them so far. They would be truly irrelevant if they were playing on age and you have shown your stuff by challenging them despite 40-80 pound weight differences and at times over a foot height difference. You are truly the standouts - must feel great for them to get beat on defense by a kid so much smaller and younger then them!

40-80 lb differences... What is your team from the land of tiny? Team Waif? Hilarious

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Clapping. They are becoming more irrelevant to the other elite teams every day. They have not had any games in the hoco league where they did not have a coach screaming threats at them and that they did not need to keep their hold backs in not did they get out of double digits but once so kudos to all the teams that have played them so far. They would be truly irrelevant if they were playing on age and you have shown your stuff by challenging them despite 40-80 pound weight differences and at times over a foot height difference. You are truly the standouts - must feel great for them to get beat on defense by a kid so much smaller and younger then them!

40-80 lb differences... What is your team from the land of tiny? Team Waif? Hilarious


What is hilarious and pathetic at the same time is the Crabs 2020 holdbacks, you know, the 16 year old 8th graders that really should be in the 10 grade and should be going into the 11th grade next fall. They just love playing against 13 and 14 year old true 8th graders.
What a pathetic organization Crabs is and what they stand for. The parents of these players are just as pathetic as the leader, Ryan McClernan, who is a true POS, in many many ways. I have never seen a coach scream belittling and threatening comments to players during a game. He is so afraid of loosing that he acts like a total moron. He acts this way because of his low lacrosse IQ and he has no clue on how to teach and develop a player. Thus the reason for the older players.
Now lets wait for the Crab faithful to start their pushbacks and trying to deflect to other teams or whatever.

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No need to deflect. Look at the history of commits. Speaks for itself.

No one cares what you think. Keep whining. Crabs developed tons of kids when things were age based so your rant is meaningless. You can keep spouting the same crap day after day by it doesn't matter. Crabs will beat your team whether they stay grade based or if it goes back to age. Always have, always will.

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No need to deflect. Look at the history of commits. Speaks for itself.

No one cares what you think. Keep whining. Crabs developed tons of kids when things were age based so your rant is meaningless. You can keep spouting the same crap day after day by it doesn't matter. Crabs will beat your team whether they stay grade based or if it goes back to age. Always have, always will.


Then why in the world would you ever leave a kid back 1-2 years and have them play down with younger kids when you were so successful?. That is the real question!? You think the kids are proud to tell their friends that they are no longer going to be graduating with them and now will be playing with younger kids? You are crazy! If you can get committed by a college and not get held back academically and athletically, do so and stop this crazy business that is making money off your kids' backs! Parents are insane for allowing their kids to be put in this situation. They defend it because they are embarrassed. How do you feel when the next dad also has a kid early recruited with just as much money and did not have to hold their kid back? Are you proud? Does it feel good to know your kid had to be left back? You will never know if they were good enough, because you had no faith. There will be just as many kids that get recruited that are held back, as those that are not. Stop the craziness and let your kid know they do not need to repeat a year of their life. This is not about lacrosse, this is about ego. So once again- if you were so successful in the first place, why abuse the system and the kids? Believe in your kids.

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West Coast Starz rolling thru Bmore and beating everyone but Sons? Took down Looneys last night at Homewood....and Hawks today?? Must be they have a bunch of holdbacks. No other explanation for this?!?

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I'd assume Hawks and Looneys were letting everyone play. Good for Starz though.....

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Simple....good team

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West Coast Starz rolling thru Bmore and beating everyone but Sons? Took down Looneys last night at Homewood....and Hawks today?? Must be they have a bunch of holdbacks. No other explanation for this?!?


LOL, funny, they were tired when they played a fresh Sons team. BTW, that same Sons team lost to a town Rec team today!

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Clapping. They are becoming more irrelevant to the other elite teams every day. They have not had any games in the hoco league where they did not have a coach screaming threats at them and that they did not need to keep their hold backs in not did they get out of double digits but once so kudos to all the teams that have played them so far. They would be truly irrelevant if they were playing on age and you have shown your stuff by challenging them despite 40-80 pound weight differences and at times over a foot height difference. You are truly the standouts - must feel great for them to get beat on defense by a kid so much smaller and younger then them!

40-80 lb differences... What is your team from the land of tiny? Team Waif? Hilarious


Crabs has kids 180-190 pounds. Look at their profiles. The average 13-14 year old boy is 120-135 pounds so yes, 40-80 pound difference. Do you even watch the games?

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Crabs 2020 isn't going up because the lineup is terrible, so it's a waste of time and gas to drive up there. Truth hurts.


So they committ to playing and then cancel a few days before because they are too good? Says a lot and supports the all about them attitude. They have done that several times or left early from venues this spring. What prima Donas and bad sports.


Crabs 2020 was never going. Just keep making up more lies. It's what this site is for apparently.


It was on Crabs website until taken off??


Decided not to go once they found out that there was no checking allowed. What 7th and 8th grade boys play no checking? Waste of time driving up for that.


So which excuse is it really that they blew off something they committed to? The right answer is that they should not have bailed on something days before the event and it is getting more and more common with them as if the lacrosse world revolves around them. Very responsible and sportsmanlike team there.

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[quote=Anonymous]West Coast Starz rolling thru Bmore and beating everyone but Sons? Took down Looneys last night at Homewood....and Hawks today?? Must be they have a bunch of holdbacks. No other explanation for this?!?[/quote

So who played and what were results? Did sons really beat Looneys? ]

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West Coast Starz rolling thru Bmore and beating everyone but Sons? Took down Looneys last night at Homewood....and Hawks today?? Must be they have a bunch of holdbacks. No other explanation for this?!?


Well actually, if this is the same team that was at Young Guns last year, losing to Carolina Cannons, and then eliminated by Edge in playoff round one, now that you mention it...they did look a little large compared to the other 2020s. I guess we'll need to pay attention the next time they roll though town.

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ey have a bunch of holdbacks. No other explanation for this?!? [/quote]

LOL, funny, they were tired when they played a fresh Sons team. BTW, that same Sons team lost to a town Rec team today![/quote] thanks AT

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You jealous dads are funny. Sorry things aren't working out for you.
We only play down - Crabs handbook

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No need to deflect. Look at the history of commits. Speaks for itself.

No one cares what you think. Keep whining. Crabs developed tons of kids when things were age based so your rant is meaningless. You can keep spouting the same crap day after day by it doesn't matter. Crabs will beat your team whether they stay grade based or if it goes back to age. Always have, always will.
g. Sorry Crab dad, you have it backwards, no one gives a crap what you say or think, you and other Crab sh*theads are the ones always whining and pushing back. Only thing Crabs develop is a large group of cheats. The Crab dads/fans are the ones who keep spewing their lies and bullsh*t on a daily basis. Take your thoughts, program and the Crab leader and shove it where the sun doesn't shine. The best you can do is STFU [lacrosse].

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You jealous dads are funny. Sorry things aren't working out for you.
We only play down - Crabs handbook


You're just mad because your son got cut at Crabs tryouts... Can't beat em, can't join em, so trash em....

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You jealous dads are funny. Sorry things aren't working out for you.
We only play down - Crabs handbook


You're just mad because your son got cut at Crabs tryouts... Can't beat em, can't join em, so trash em....
. I don't think anyone's son was cut from Crabs because no one on here can tolerate what Crabs stands for. You forgot one thing in your rambling about can't beat/join them so trash them, the ending to your rambling is [lacrosse]*k em. Yep, [lacrosse]*k em, so now Crab dad GFYourself.

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[quote=Anonymous]West Coast Starz rolling thru Bmore and beating everyone but Sons? Took down Looneys last night at Homewood....and Hawks today?? Must be they have a bunch of holdbacks. No other explanation for this?!?[/quote

So who played and what were results? Did sons really beat Looneys? ]
. Sons never beat Looney's. Last time they played was last week in the HOCO league and Looney' won.

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Listen why doesn't someone file a "right to know" request for the Crabs HOCO Roster? It run by the county which is government body. The roster has everyones birthdate. I think they would have to honor your request.

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Listen why doesn't someone file a "right to know" request for the Crabs HOCO Roster? It run by the county which is government body. The roster has everyones birthdate. I think they would have to honor your request.


On what grounds? It is a GRADE BASED LEAGUE. What difference does it make what their DOB is. Play in AA if you don't want to play all the teams with holdbacks.

My goodness the incessant complaining about this is really tiresome. Talk about beating a dead horse. Move on

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You jealous dads are funny. Sorry things aren't working out for you.
We only play down - Crabs handbook


You're just mad because your son got cut at Crabs tryouts... Can't beat em, can't join em, so trash em....


More like,

" can't play with em, can't join em, time to play down a year".

Dads like you make easy to trash the Crabs. Keep pounding you chest!

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Listen why doesn't someone file a "right to know" request for the Crabs HOCO Roster? It run by the county which is government body. The roster has everyones birthdate. I think they would have to honor your request.

I think the only way this could be done is if they release every teams birthdays without names or numbers. I think the only way to fix this is to meet in the middle. And only allow each team to carry 2 or 4 kids over the age limit. Because we can not leave the 8th grade kids with no where to play in the spring who are over the age limit. I agree must are trying to game the system but we should not kill the kid who really did have school issues and sports are his ticket to help him become a graduate.

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Listen why doesn't someone file a "right to know" request for the Crabs HOCO Roster? It run by the county which is government body. The roster has everyones birthdate. I think they would have to honor your request.

I think the only way this could be done is if they release every teams birthdays without names or numbers. I think the only way to fix this is to meet in the middle. And only allow each team to carry 2 or 4 kids over the age limit. Because we can not leave the 8th grade kids with no where to play in the spring who are over the age limit. I agree must are trying to game the system but we should not kill the kid who really did have school issues and sports are his ticket to help him become a graduate.



Two per team would more than account for any legitimate holdbacks but disagree that we are obligated to give them a place to play. Other sports the kids would wait out the spring rather than have an unfair advantage. That was their decision to hold back for whatever reason and it is not on the other kids to "find" a place for them to play and have an unfair advantage. The birth dates given to the county are not going to be correct - crabs knows everyone is on to them and they would just make a few innocent mistakes on there rosters. Ask the kids who know the offenders and would guarantee the dates the club provided for them are adjusted a bit. It is not about the rosters. Hoco knows he kids are older and is choosing to ignore their own rules which is a bigger issue since we as parents paid for this league assuming they would follow their own rules. All rosters would not need to be released but big deal if they were and dob does not fall under protected info -other teams put it right on their websites.

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Listen why doesn't someone file a "right to know" request for the Crabs HOCO Roster? It run by the county which is government body. The roster has everyones birthdate. I think they would have to honor your request.


On what grounds? It is a GRADE BASED LEAGUE. What difference does it make what their DOB is. Play in AA if you don't want to play all the teams with holdbacks.

My goodness the incessant complaining about this is really tiresome. Talk about beating a dead horse. Move on


It is a grade based league with a caveat that the players have followed a normal progression through school . You know, that means not skipping grades right? So your precious crabs players who could not cut it with kids their own age are breaking the rules. Until you or Hoco follow the rules set out for fairness for the ones doing the right thing, you will continue to have people complaining. The crabs "gaming" the system is up. The other teams are tired of their nonsense and their belief they can do whatever they want.

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Listen why doesn't someone file a "right to know" request for the Crabs HOCO Roster? It run by the county which is government body. The roster has everyones birthdate. I think they would have to honor your request.


On what grounds? It is a GRADE BASED LEAGUE. What difference does it make what their DOB is. Play in AA if you don't want to play all the teams with holdbacks.

My goodness the incessant complaining about this is really tiresome. Talk about beating a dead horse. Move on


Sounds like someone is getting nervous. Don't even need to file that - just look at 8th grade grad lists for the private schools, old Hudl pages etc. it is all right out there. Heck, these kids even brag about getting their learners permit.

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Listen why doesn't someone file a "right to know" request for the Crabs HOCO Roster? It run by the county which is government body. The roster has everyones birthdate. I think they would have to honor your request.


On what grounds? It is a GRADE BASED LEAGUE. What difference does it make what their DOB is. Play in AA if you don't want to play all the teams with holdbacks.

My goodness the incessant complaining about this is really tiresome. Talk about beating a dead horse. Move on


Sounds like someone is getting nervous. Don't even need to file that - just look at 8th grade grad lists for the private schools, old Hudl pages etc. it is all right out there. Heck, these kids even brag about getting their learners permit.


No one with Crabs is getting nervous. WHy would they? Things are staying grade based. Do you think they would if Crabs was the only club that wanted it this way? You are completely blind to what is going on. All the clubs prefer grade based. If the clubs were as upset as you guys are, they would push the leagues an tournaments to follow the USL guidelines. This isn't happening. Ever ask yourself why? If Crabs is the big bad monster and the other clubs have "had enough", then why aren't they pushing for change? It's just a few of you cry baby dads that are up in arms about this.

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Listen why doesn't someone file a "right to know" request for the Crabs HOCO Roster? It run by the county which is government body. The roster has everyones birthdate. I think they would have to honor your request.


On what grounds? It is a GRADE BASED LEAGUE. What difference does it make what their DOB is. Play in AA if you don't want to play all the teams with holdbacks.

My goodness the incessant complaining about this is really tiresome. Talk about beating a dead horse. Move on


Sounds like someone is getting nervous. Don't even need to file that - just look at 8th grade grad lists for the private schools, old Hudl pages etc. it is all right out there. Heck, these kids even brag about getting their learners permit.


No one with Crabs is getting nervous. WHy would they? Things are staying grade based. Do you think they would if Crabs was the only club that wanted it this way? You are completely blind to what is going on. All the clubs prefer grade based. If the clubs were as upset as you guys are, they would push the leagues an tournaments to follow the USL guidelines. This isn't happening. Ever ask yourself why? If Crabs is the big bad monster and the other clubs have "had enough", then why aren't they pushing for change? It's just a few of you cry baby dads that are up in arms about this.

Well I hate to agree with this dude. But each person on here really needs to take this to their club owner and make them push for the rules to be followed. They are like your stare rep. and if you can not get them on board nothing will happen. So anyone out there have a club that has a written down rule on there website saying we do not want and will not take boys outside these birthdays. Until we can show these clubs and how they are following the age guidelines its all a mute point.

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Listen why doesn't someone file a "right to know" request for the Crabs HOCO Roster? It run by the county which is government body. The roster has everyones birthdate. I think they would have to honor your request.


On what grounds? It is a GRADE BASED LEAGUE. What difference does it make what their DOB is. Play in AA if you don't want to play all the teams with holdbacks.

My goodness the incessant complaining about this is really tiresome. Talk about beating a dead horse. Move on


Sounds like someone is getting nervous. Don't even need to file that - just look at 8th grade grad lists for the private schools, old Hudl pages etc. it is all right out there. Heck, these kids even brag about getting their learners permit.


No one with Crabs is getting nervous. WHy would they? Things are staying grade based. Do you think they would if Crabs was the only club that wanted it this way? You are completely blind to what is going on. All the clubs prefer grade based. If the clubs were as upset as you guys are, they would push the leagues an tournaments to follow the USL guidelines. This isn't happening. Ever ask yourself why? If Crabs is the big bad monster and the other clubs have "had enough", then why aren't they pushing for change? It's just a few of you cry baby dads that are up in arms about this.

Well I hate to agree with this dude. But each person on here really needs to take this to their club owner and make them push for the rules to be followed. They are like your stare rep. and if you can not get them on board nothing will happen. So anyone out there have a club that has a written down rule on there website saying we do not want and will not take boys outside these birthdays. Until we can show these clubs and how they are following the age guidelines its all a mute point.

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