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Re: High School Lax Boys [Re: Anonymous] #152741
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Can a team be competitive without a solid goalie?


YES - lacrosse goalie is the most over rated position in any sport, kid only has to have nerves of steal and high tolerance for pain, the best goalie is usually the guy with the great defense in front of him that make the offence take bad shots. The game is won and lost on face offs and on ground balls (possessions), the only way a goalie has a huge outcome on a game is with his clears and directing his defense a good shot will beat a good goalie every time.


No clue about the game whatsoever. Goalie and faceoff are 2 most important players on the field. Goalies need fast hands, fast feet a knowledge of the game. Greater than any player. Goalues hurl themselves in harms way with less pads than other players on the field. They don't wear shoulder pads or elbow pads. Their gloves are useless. A lacrosse goalie faces shots from multiple planes. High to low, low to high, etc. All while being screened. The lacrosse goal is 6x6 versus a hockey goalie which is 3x6. Hockey goalie faces shots from one plane off the ice and they wear more pads than the stay puft marshmallow man. Players in lacrosse have more hold and control of the ball than ever before and can do more than any other sport with the ball in their stick.

Why do you think there are so few goalies as early commits. Coaches don't dare rush to pick one. Goalie is like a fine wine needs to fully mature and develop before being chosen. You can take an athletically gifted kid and put a long pole in their hand and they will excel. Now put a goalie stick and they wouldn't have the faintest idea of what to do. Arch a 5 step or a 7, high arch low arch, pipe to pipe movement, clears, defensive sets, the offensive plays of the other team, calling slides 1st and 2nd all while trying to stop a ball moving at over 100mph.

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Re: High School Lax Boys [Re: Anonymous] #152748
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Can a team be competitive without a solid goalie?


YES - lacrosse goalie is the most over rated position in any sport, kid only has to have nerves of steal and high tolerance for pain, the best goalie is usually the guy with the great defense in front of him that make the offence take bad shots. The game is won and lost on face offs and on ground balls (possessions), the only way a goalie has a huge outcome on a game is with his clears and directing his defense a good shot will beat a good goalie every time.


One of the dumbest thing I've heard on here. If one goalie makes two saves he shouldn't and the other goalie doesn't make two saves he should, it's a game changer. And by the way, the best goalies don't get hit with the ball that often. Unless, of course you are talking about box lacrosse. So this nonsense of just throw someone in there with balls of steel who can make outlet passes, save it for the other parents you're drinking out of red cups with, in the parking lot. Anyone who knows anything about lacrosse can pick out a really good goalie and a really bad goalie in two seconds. And by the way, the elite goalies make the defense in front of them even better, directing the defenses play. So how does that ability make them overrated? Full disclosure, just in case you think my son is a goalie. I coach varsity HS lacrosse and my son played attack. Maybe attack is overrated, where all they have to do is possess the ball and hit your stud midfielder for a goal. That's pretty absurd too.


Thank you, Coach. Very well said. As the parent of a goalie, I would like the poster of the low lacrosse IQ poster to stand in front of the cage during a varsity lacrosse game. You would never last.

Re: High School Lax Boys [Re: Anonymous] #152759
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Can a team be competitive without a solid goalie?


YES - lacrosse goalie is the most over rated position in any sport, kid only has to have nerves of steal and high tolerance for pain, the best goalie is usually the guy with the great defense in front of him that make the offence take bad shots. The game is won and lost on face offs and on ground balls (possessions), the only way a goalie has a huge outcome on a game is with his clears and directing his defense a good shot will beat a good goalie every time.


One of the dumbest thing I've heard on here. If one goalie makes two saves he shouldn't and the other goalie doesn't make two saves he should, it's a game changer. And by the way, the best goalies don't get hit with the ball that often. Unless, of course you are talking about box lacrosse. So this nonsense of just throw someone in there with balls of steel who can make outlet passes, save it for the other parents you're drinking out of red cups with, in the parking lot. Anyone who knows anything about lacrosse can pick out a really good goalie and a really bad goalie in two seconds. And by the way, the elite goalies make the defense in front of them even better, directing the defenses play. So how does that ability make them overrated? Full disclosure, just in case you think my son is a goalie. I coach varsity HS lacrosse and my son played attack. Maybe attack is overrated, where all they have to do is possess the ball and hit your stud midfielder for a goal. That's pretty absurd too.


You had me until you said you coach varsity lacrosse and you are posting on BOTC, If you are telling the truth you have lost all credibility and if you lied then you are a liar

Re: High School Lax Boys [Re: TommyM] #152769
02/29/16 07:19 PM
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2013 WM wins the state championship with a unrecruited goalie that walked on in college and the next year 2014 Massapequa wins the the state championship with a goalie that never plays in college. the original post was asking if team can be competitive without a solid goalie and that was two recent examples of teams winning it all without a great goalie. 2015 Farmingdale had arguably the best goalie on the Island and lost in the first round of the playoffs. give me a great team and an OK goalie every time

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can a team be competitive without a solid goalie?


YES - lacrosse goalie is the most over rated position in any sport, kid only has to have nerves of steal and high tolerance for pain, the best goalie is usually the guy with the great defense in front of him that make the offence take bad shots. The game is won and lost on face offs and on ground balls (possessions), the only way a goalie has a huge outcome on a game is with his clears and directing his defense a good shot will beat a good goalie every time.


One of the dumbest thing I've heard on here. If one goalie makes two saves he shouldn't and the other goalie doesn't make two saves he should, it's a game changer. And by the way, the best goalies don't get hit with the ball that often. Unless, of course you are talking about box lacrosse. So this nonsense of just throw someone in there with balls of steel who can make outlet passes, save it for the other parents you're drinking out of red cups with, in the parking lot. Anyone who knows anything about lacrosse can pick out a really good goalie and a really bad goalie in two seconds. And by the way, the elite goalies make the defense in front of them even better, directing the defenses play. So how does that ability make them overrated? Full disclosure, just in case you think my son is a goalie. I coach varsity HS lacrosse and my son played attack. Maybe attack is overrated, where all they have to do is possess the ball and hit your stud midfielder for a goal. That's pretty absurd too.


You had me until you said you coach varsity lacrosse and you are posting on BOTC, If you are telling the truth you have lost all credibility and if you lied then you are a liar


Yup, I could be your son's coach. Wouldn't you love to know. Now rather than comment on overrated positions worry about your important things, like where you are going to place the team tent this summer LOL

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Re: High School Lax Boys [Re: TommyM] #152776
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2012 West Islip Championship team wouldnt have gone anywhere without their goalie who is now a 4 year starter and Captain at Brown. Ask anyone who played on that 2012 team and they will tell you to a man that he made all the difference and he was their best and most important player. Yes I agree a superior team can overcome a mediocre goalie, but an outstanding goalie can make a good team a great one.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
2012 West Islip Championship team wouldnt have gone anywhere without their goalie who is now a 4 year starter and Captain at Brown. Ask anyone who played on that 2012 team and they will tell you to a man that he made all the difference and he was their best and most important player. Yes I agree a superior team can overcome a mediocre goalie, but an outstanding goalie can make a good team a great one.


I will have to agree with you on that, coming off a 2x county championship. Lacrosse is so dynamic. So many factors involved. Sometimes it all comes together due to teamwork and respect. Good luck to all the teams this season. Should be an exciting one! Who wants it?

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02/29/16 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
2013 WM wins the state championship with a unrecruited goalie that walked on in college and the next year 2014 Massapequa wins the the state championship with a goalie that never plays in college. the original post was asking if team can be competitive without a solid goalie and that was two recent examples of teams winning it all without a great goalie. 2015 Farmingdale had arguably the best goalie on the Island and lost in the first round of the playoffs. give me a great team and an OK goalie every time


The 2013 WM goalie was off the charts good that year. And was so good that he walked on to Cornell. All from how well he played as a senior. I posted before that you Can be competitive with a bad goalie but you will never win championships without one. IMHO

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02/29/16 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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2013 WM wins the state championship with a unrecruited goalie that walked on in college and the next year 2014 Massapequa wins the the state championship with a goalie that never plays in college. the original post was asking if team can be competitive without a solid goalie and that was two recent examples of teams winning it all without a great goalie. 2015 Farmingdale had arguably the best goalie on the Island and lost in the first round of the playoffs. give me a great team and an OK goalie every time


The 2013 WM goalie was off the charts good that year. And was so good that he walked on to Cornell. All from how well he played as a senior. I posted before that you Can be competitive with a bad goalie but you will never win championships without one. IMHO


Like was said earlier it takes time for a goalie to develop because being a goalie takes much more than being a good athlete. There is so much to being a goalie and unless you have played the position you will never know what it takes to be a goalie.

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02/29/16 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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2013 WM wins the state championship with a unrecruited goalie that walked on in college and the next year 2014 Massapequa wins the the state championship with a goalie that never plays in college. the original post was asking if team can be competitive without a solid goalie and that was two recent examples of teams winning it all without a great goalie. 2015 Farmingdale had arguably the best goalie on the Island and lost in the first round of the playoffs. give me a great team and an OK goalie every time


The 2013 WM goalie was off the charts good that year. And was so good that he walked on to Cornell. All from how well he played as a senior. I posted before that you Can be competitive with a bad goalie but you will never win championships without one. IMHO


Massapequa 2014?????

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Re: High School Lax Boys [Re: Anonymous] #152796
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Originally Posted by Anonymous


Yup, I could be your son's coach. Wouldn't you love to know. Now rather than comment on overrated positions worry about your important things, like where you are going to place the team tent this summer LOL


Coach, I have never had a red solo cup at a HS or summer tournament nor do I hang under the tents, The original post was meant as a joke to what appeared to me to be a silly question and I figured I would stir the pot little to drive people a little crazy but what I got was a typical bully reply from a HS coach (if that is even true). the funny part is my so plays goalie..... And I truly hope you are not my sons coach, I would be embarrassed for my coach if he trolled BOTC, this is a great site for insecure psychotic parents not bully parents

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It is a team sport. Having a stud (at any one position) will not help you win anything if the rest of the team is weak. If you have a team filled with good players then a great player or two will put you over the top. It can be a super star goalie, a dominant fogo, a stud defender it really doesn't matter. Insert a stud into a team of solid players and it puts the team over the top. I think a team can be competitive without a solid goalie but it certainly helps to have an above average guy between the pipes.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
2013 WM wins the state championship with a unrecruited goalie that walked on in college and the next year 2014 Massapequa wins the the state championship with a goalie that never plays in college. the original post was asking if team can be competitive without a solid goalie and that was two recent examples of teams winning it all without a great goalie. 2015 Farmingdale had arguably the best goalie on the Island and lost in the first round of the playoffs. give me a great team and an OK goalie every time


The 2013 WM goalie was off the charts good that year. And was so good that he walked on to Cornell. All from how well he played as a senior. I posted before that you Can be competitive with a bad goalie but you will never win championships without one. IMHO


Massapequa 2014?????


I don't understand. Are you saying the goalie was bad ? He was more than adequate. They had a lot of firepower but he stepped up in the big games. Lost 7-4 to Chaminade, played great in 6-5 3OT loss to GC, and played good enough to beat SE 13-12 in LIC. Great defense helped.

Re: High School Lax Boys [Re: TommyM] #152970
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okay take a stab at it.

Smithtown East
Ward Melville
Connetquot
Half Hollow Hills East
Half Hollow Hills West
Smithtown West
West Islip
Northport
Sachem East
Sachem North
Walt Whitman
Bay Shore
Commack
Huntington
Lindenhurst
Riverhead
Middle Country
Patchogue-Medford
North Babylon
Brentwood
Copiague
Longwood
William Floyd

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
okay take a stab at it.

Smithtown East
Ward Melville
Connetquot
Half Hollow Hills East
Half Hollow Hills West
Smithtown West
West Islip
Northport
Sachem East
Sachem North
Walt Whitman
Bay Shore
Commack
Huntington
Lindenhurst
Riverhead
Middle Country
Patchogue-Medford
North Babylon
Brentwood
Copiague
Longwood
William Floyd


Smithtown East - Return experience and talent on Offense. Strong at the FO X

West Islip - Athletic, hungry and gritty with quality coaching.

Connetquot - Should build upon last season. Attack will put up points.

Sachem North - Dark horse to be in the final four.



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