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I hate it when people use the "off season tournament, can't take too much away from it" crap. It's a cop-out. Just because your daughter's team didn't win by as much as YOU wanted, don't make excuses. I have connection with the Integrity 20's. I was just commenting anout them and I enjoyed watching them play. They play hard, smart and fast.


What makes you look clueless is that at many offseason tournaments you are not playing their actual top team , usually it's a group of mixed kids and they play equal time so don't take much from it. Usually the parent from the b level clubs pound their chest about ties and off season performance


So next weekend yj 2020 will be a mixed group huh. Don't think so.

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YJ 2020 blue will have a full team plus new TG kid for NJ tournaments next weekend. The other team is a mix of bottom 3 teams

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So now you look clueless because you say things like I have a connection to integrity 2020, everyone reading it knows that means you have a kid playing for them . Now you want your daughters team to be considered as one of the top teams , they need to go out and actually beat some top teams first .Is it YJ top team this weekend , who knows , I have no idea . Keep saying you crushed TG when you beat them by 4 but were so competitive w MD when you lost by 5 , makes you look clueless

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So now you look clueless because you say things like I have a connection to integrity 2020, everyone reading it knows that means you have a kid playing for them . Now you want your daughters team to be considered as one of the top teams , they need to go out and actually beat some top teams first .Is it YJ top team this weekend , who knows , I have no idea . Keep saying you crushed TG when you beat them by 4 but were so competitive w MD when you lost by 5 , makes you look clueless


Travel parents - the biggest whining egomaniacs around. You are killing the sport

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I hate it when people use the "off season tournament, can't take too much away from it" crap. It's a cop-out. Just because your daughter's team didn't win by as much as YOU wanted, don't make excuses. I have connection with the Integrity 20's. I was just commenting anout them and I enjoyed watching them play. They play hard, smart and fast.


What makes you look clueless is that at many offseason tournaments you are not playing their actual top team , usually it's a group of mixed kids and they play equal time so don't take much from it. Usually the parent from the b level clubs pound their chest about ties and off season performance


exactly. Everyone knows that Hero's is top heavy and two of the best 8th grade girls around. Neither of them played on Sunday. M&D killed Hero's yesterday. Tying that version of the Hero's team doesn't mean anything.

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LI Express unable to field a 2020 team--- that's the word on the street. That's an organization that doesn't seem to be doing the right thing with their girls programs. Almost zero returning players... I guess the stink followed them through the tryouts.... High and mighty administration is paying the price now.

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As heroes or M&D one any big summer tournaments? I can't remember one if someone else can shed some light on the situation that would be great. Thanks

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FIRST OF ALL YOUR ENGLISH IS HORRIBLE. HERO'S WON THE MID ATLANTIC YEAR BEATING m ND d AND YJ. THEN LOSING TO YJ IN THE FINALS FOR LAX FOR THE CURE. THEY WON THE ALL AMERICAN SHOWCASE PLAYING IN THE 2019 DIVISION IN PA AND ALSO THE laX FOR lOVE PLAYING IN THE 2019 DIVISION. THE REASON IS THAT MOST TOURNAMENTS PUT YJ, HERO'S AND MND IN THE "A" BRACKET AND PLAY EACH OTHER IN POOL PLAY AND RARELY DO THEY ALL MAKE IT TOO THE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME. ONLY ONE TEAM CAN WIN WHEN THEY PUT THE 3 TOP 2020 TEAMS WITHOUT QUESTION ON THE EAST COAST. BUT IT IS NICE TOO WATCH GOOD COMPETITIVE LACROSSE WIN OR LOSE INSTEAD OF BEATING TEAMS 20-0. NICE TRY INTEGRITY YOUR NOT AT THE BIG GIRLS TABLE YET.THEY PUT MND AND hEROS TOGETHER PLAYING EACH OTHER FIRST THIS WEEKEND. THIS YEAR HEROS HAS ONE THE TOP GUNS PLAY DAY AND THE FALL UPRISING.

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LI Express unable to field a 2020 team--- that's the word on the street. That's an organization that doesn't seem to be doing the right thing with their girls programs. Almost zero returning players... I guess the stink followed them through the tryouts.... High and mighty administration is paying the price now.

TG is having trouble filling 2020 purple team, maybe they can go over their

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what seems to be issue with Express girls?..we almost went there last year but backed off when it seemed sketchy when we asked about details--players/fees/coaches,etc.---is it because its another Boys centric program(like fl$) that just collects fees from girls program to fund the boys?...it seems like they have decent coaches on boys side....and apparently they have new girls director?...

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what seems to be issue with Express girls?..we almost went there last year but backed off when it seemed sketchy when we asked about details--players/fees/coaches,etc.---is it because its another Boys centric program(like fl$) that just collects fees from girls program to fund the boys?...it seems like they have decent coaches on boys side....and apparently they have new girls director?...


Our experience was that they treated the team with no regard for coaching quality (NO EXPERIENCED COACHES on the sidelines for most tourney games) and worse still they treated parents like complete crap when they were questioned about this.... Practice was thinly attended, infrequent, and MOSTLY poorly coached. They can tout whatever they want on the boys side, but for the girls, they would have been beaten by most PAL teams.

My opinion mind you, but one from direct experience. Other's mileage may vary.

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what seems to be issue with Express girls?..we almost went there last year but backed off when it seemed sketchy when we asked about details--players/fees/coaches,etc.---is it because its another Boys centric program(like fl$) that just collects fees from girls program to fund the boys?...it seems like they have decent coaches on boys side....and apparently they have new girls director?...


Our experience was that they treated the team with no regard for coaching quality (NO EXPERIENCED COACHES on the sidelines for most tourney games) and worse still they treated parents like complete crap when they were questioned about this.... Practice was thinly attended, infrequent, and MOSTLY poorly coached. They can tout whatever they want on the boys side, but for the girls, they would have been beaten by most PAL teams.

My opinion mind you, but one from direct experience. Other's mileage may vary.


Express is basically PAL with traveling. Practices are poorly attended and even tournaments are not well attended by all. Coaching is not bad but if you are not getting everyone to attend practice , only half the team knows what to do. There is no fear of not playing when most times you are happy to have enough to field a complete team.

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what seems to be issue with Express girls?..we almost went there last year but backed off when it seemed sketchy when we asked about details--players/fees/coaches,etc.---is it because its another Boys centric program(like fl$) that just collects fees from girls program to fund the boys?...it seems like they have decent coaches on boys side....and apparently they have new girls director?...


Our experience was that they treated the team with no regard for coaching quality (NO EXPERIENCED COACHES on the sidelines for most tourney games) and worse still they treated parents like complete crap when they were questioned about this.... Practice was thinly attended, infrequent, and MOSTLY poorly coached. They can tout whatever they want on the boys side, but for the girls, they would have been beaten by most PAL teams.

My opinion mind you, but one from direct experience. Other's mileage may vary.


Express is basically PAL with traveling. Practices are poorly attended and even tournaments are not well attended by all. Coaching is not bad but if you are not getting everyone to attend practice , only half the team knows what to do. There is no fear of not playing when most times you are happy to have enough to field a complete team.


Agree with that last bit--- there were often only 2-3 subs on travel tourneys--- girls were spent shells a game or two in. All this = NO 2020 team this year it seems... The organization deserved it for having run it like such crapola.



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I guess it is somewhat refreshing to know, and in some small way, to see that parents cant be counted on --all the time--to just throw money at a crap product...maybe the other programs take a bit of notice and see that the parents still have power and the juice to call the shots...nah, wishful thinking...

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I guess it is somewhat refreshing to know, and in some small way, to see that parents cant be counted on --all the time--to just throw money at a crap product...maybe the other programs take a bit of notice and see that the parents still have power and the juice to call the shots...nah, wishful thinking...


YJ will be down a team or 2 as well in in 2020. A report just came out saying Lacrosse has the most players who's parents income is $100,000 or more. This is no longer a game for the masses due to the high year round cost.

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I guess it is somewhat refreshing to know, and in some small way, to see that parents cant be counted on --all the time--to just throw money at a crap product...maybe the other programs take a bit of notice and see that the parents still have power and the juice to call the shots...nah, wishful thinking...


YJ will be down a team or 2 as well in in 2020. A report just came out saying Lacrosse has the most players who's parents income is $100,000 or more. This is no longer a game for the masses due to the high year round cost.


Being down a team or two is one thing, not fielding a team for an entire age group is another. Express blew it hard on this. Agree, nice to see parents give a team org a big [lacrosse] once in a while. It won't kill express but it is a stain on them.

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I guess it is somewhat refreshing to know, and in some small way, to see that parents cant be counted on --all the time--to just throw money at a crap product...maybe the other programs take a bit of notice and see that the parents still have power and the juice to call the shots...nah, wishful thinking...


YJ will be down a team or 2 as well in in 2020. A report just came out saying Lacrosse has the most players who's parents income is $100,000 or more. This is no longer a game for the masses due to the high year round cost.
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100K is minimum wage to live on LI, the NYC metro area and anywhere within two hours of DC, Boston, Chicago LA, etc. so I'm not quite sure what you are talking about - unless you were one of the people marching for a $15 minimum wage

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Being down a team or two , when you shouldn't have 5 teams is one thing, but not being able to field a team in the 2020'age group is embarrassing . They are not a good program for girls. TG not being able to field a 2nd team is puzzling

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There is a reason TG didn't post their rosters this year

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Being down a team or two , when you shouldn't have 5 teams is one thing, but not being able to field a team in the 2020'age group is embarrassing . They are not a good program for girls. TG not being able to field a 2nd team is puzzling


TG is not having trouble fielding a team in the 2020 age group

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Being down a team or two , when you shouldn't have 5 teams is one thing, but not being able to field a team in the 2020'age group is embarrassing . They are not a good program for girls. TG not being able to field a 2nd team is puzzling


TG is not having trouble fielding a team in the 2020 age group

Oh yes they are.. TG is in a lot of trouble 12 girls left black this year for other clubs what is that telling you? Purple is simply put just horrible and a lot of parents declined their spots this year. But it's not just his age group TG is having major issues at all levels.

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Being down a team or two , when you shouldn't have 5 teams is one thing, but not being able to field a team in the 2020'age group is embarrassing . They are not a good program for girls. TG not being able to field a 2nd team is puzzling


TG is not having trouble fielding a team in the 2020 age group

Oh yes they are.. TG is in a lot of trouble 12 girls left black this year for other clubs what is that telling you? Purple is simply put just horrible and a lot of parents declined their spots this year. But it's not just his age group TG is having major issues at all levels.


Stop with the lies. you have no idea what you are talking about.
Only 2 girls left Black.

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Being down a team or two , when you shouldn't have 5 teams is one thing, but not being able to field a team in the 2020'age group is embarrassing . They are not a good program for girls. TG not being able to field a 2nd team is puzzling


TG is not having trouble fielding a team in the 2020 age group

Oh yes they are.. TG is in a lot of trouble 12 girls left black this year for other clubs what is that telling you? Purple is simply put just horrible and a lot of parents declined their spots this year. But it's not just his age group TG is having major issues at all levels.


Stop with the lies. you have no idea what you are talking about.
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That's incorrect, 11 girls left. Look at the roster for the games this weekend and you will see that there are 12 new girls on black. Do your research and get the facts before you try to save face. No need to lie, the facts are all out there. The team is like a brand new team with over half the players new. Check elevate, legacy, Liberty and YJ for the players that left TG black this year.

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YJ may be the top club but TG is the second best hard to dispute that.

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apparently TG 2020 purple is softer than a weak PAL team...

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How is the Black?

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YJ may be the top club but TG is the second best hard to dispute that.


I'm going to assume you mean on LI?

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Families that can afford more, play more. Year round Lacrosse is now a country club sport. There is very little middle ground left. The sport especially at the HS level has squeezed out anyone that doesn't play travel because no one passes those who don't play the ball. Its a problem

It also looks like travel peaked on Long Island a year or 2 ago. Many programs have given back all the growth they had over the last few years.

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[quote=Anonymous]How is the Black?

Very strong with SS coaching

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Very strong with SS coaching


Ha ha ha not even close to being strong,Talent has dropped of drastically. How strong can the team be with 4 team yj players, and loaded with other B team players

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Very strong with SS coaching


please ,strong compared to what other clubs c team. They are at best the 3 or 4th best 2020 team on Long island and most likely the 5th best. SS tried her best to keep players from leaving by saying she was going to put all this time into this team, sadly the only kid she really wanted to stay left and she will not be doing much with this team as her Hofstra team needs attention

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Very strong with SS coaching


Ha ha ha not even close to being strong,Talent has dropped of drastically. How strong can the team be with 4 team yj players, and loaded with other B team players


Tell us how you really feel Mr YJ Blue parent? You all just love getting crossed off Christmas card lists

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Being down a team or two , when you shouldn't have 5 teams is one thing, but not being able to field a team in the 2020'age group is embarrassing . They are not a good program for girls. TG not being able to field a 2nd team is puzzling


TG is not having trouble fielding a team in the 2020 age group

Oh yes they are.. TG is in a lot of trouble 12 girls left black this year for other clubs what is that telling you? Purple is simply put just horrible and a lot of parents declined their spots this year. But it's not just his age group TG is having major issues at all levels.


Stop with the lies. you have no idea what you are talking about.
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That's incorrect, 11 girls left. Look at the roster for the games this weekend and you will see that there are 12 new girls on black. Do your research and get the facts before you try to save face. No need to lie, the facts are all out there. The team is like a brand new team with over half the players new. Check elevate, legacy, Liberty and YJ for the players that left TG black this year.

I try not to respond here ever. But i'll give it a go. The Top player left for YJ, good luck she is a great player .One defender left for Legacy, good luck to her as well. two girls quit travel lacrosse totally. the other girls were not invited back to the black team, for whatever reason. they were replaced with players SS feels fit what she's trying to do. Not sure where you see 11. This is not a game, picking on 13 year old girls to puff out your own chest. So yes there is turnover, but it's not quite how you drew it up. It's obvious that this is not the same team it was two years ago, but don't knock the girls that stayed. I'm especially ashamed for the parents who were on the sidelines that praised all the positive things the girls had the first couple years but now badmouth the girls that stayed. You guys should especially be ashamed of yourselves, just a bunch of pathetic losers who have nothing else to do with your time. You know who you are, just move on, if you're daughter is happy let it go.

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please ,strong compared to what other clubs c team. They are at best the 3 or 4th best 2020 team on Long island and most likely the 5th best. SS tried her best to keep players from leaving by saying she was going to put all this time into this team, sadly the only kid she really wanted to stay left and she will not be doing much with this team as her Hofstra team needs attention

YJ are better however TG beat Legacy and Elevate last summer

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Being down a team or two , when you shouldn't have 5 teams is one thing, but not being able to field a team in the 2020'age group is embarrassing . They are not a good program for girls. TG not being able to field a 2nd team is puzzling


TG is not having trouble fielding a team in the 2020 age group

Oh yes they are.. TG is in a lot of trouble 12 girls left black this year for other clubs what is that telling you? Purple is simply put just horrible and a lot of parents declined their spots this year. But it's not just his age group TG is having major issues at all levels.


Stop with the lies. you have no idea what you are talking about.
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That's incorrect, 11 girls left. Look at the roster for the games this weekend and you will see that there are 12 new girls on black. Do your research and get the facts before you try to save face. No need to lie, the facts are all out there. The team is like a brand new team with over half the players new. Check elevate, legacy, Liberty and YJ for the players that left TG black this year.

I try not to respond here ever. But i'll give it a go. The Top player left for YJ, good luck she is a great player .One defender left for Legacy, good luck to her as well. two girls quit travel lacrosse totally. the other girls were not invited back to the black team, for whatever reason. they were replaced with players SS feels fit what she's trying to do. Not sure where you see 11. This is not a game, picking on 13 year old girls to puff out your own chest. So yes there is turnover, but it's not quite how you drew it up. It's obvious that this is not the same team it was two years ago, but don't knock the girls that stayed. I'm especially ashamed for the parents who were on the sidelines that praised all the positive things the girls had the first couple years but now badmouth the girls that stayed. You guys should especially be ashamed of yourselves, just a bunch of pathetic losers who have nothing else to do with your time. You know who you are, just move on, if you're daughter is happy let it go.


This paragraph you wrote just confirms what everyone else already knows, that more than a handful of girls have walked away from TG and will continue to do so. It's funny that the two that you claim quit lax completely now play travel lax for other clubs and that is a fact. It also proves what's been said that this club/team is now just a shell of its former self and is continuing on a downward spiral quickly. How does a club go from number 1 in an age group to now number 3 or 4 on Long Island? Nothing against the girls that stayed but you parents need to face reality that the team/club is now where near A level anymore. And with the talent pool dwindling on Long Island, doesn't look like they will ever be back to the TG they used to be 2 years ago. College coach or not SS will not be able to do anything about it other than tell you your kid is going to be the next "it" kid and just stick around, she will devote all her attention and time blah blah blah

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All of this proves 2 things - some are following the current hot coach to Legacy and some are going to the top program where any parent could coach that team. People aren't choosing YJ's 2020 for the coaching just the uniform.Just roll out the balls and get out of the way. If you are in a middle club keeping talent is going to be hit or miss. Good luck to everyone on their journey

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If all of these girls are leaving TG like you say for other teams, then TG must be doing a real good job developing talent. If a star-packed team has 24 superior athletes from top to bottom of the roster, then most girls will only play half of the game. Isn't it better for 13 year olds to play more than half of a game and continue to develop? Stacked teams from top to bottom don't really allow room for development. And how about 24 egos to feed?

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don't have daughter in TG program-- she plays for Liberty-- but don't make it seem earth shattering that girls move around every year. ALL programs have turnover, even one as esteemed as TG so is it really noteworthy that a bunch of girls left TG? a bunch stayed so that says that they are doing right thing by girls too, right?
and I agree that if these former TG players are joining other teams and possibly having an impact--time will tell--then that truly does speak to the job that SS and TG are doing with their players. There will ALWAYS be disgruntled families for whatever reason, so it is their prerogative to move on if they choose--lord knows there are plenty of programs that will take their Credit Card or checks. But it seems like someone is having a beef with TG.

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Seriously? This is what people are taking out of this, that the TG organization does such a great job developing talent and they walk away to be game changers for all the other clubs? Not very good at spinning this are you. Listen, that team was a great collection of talent for the first two years. I will give TG's credit in that they initially attracted the top talent when that team first came together. Their ability to continue to attract talent has fallen off a cliff since then at all age levels. And worse is the track record to keep talent. They have watched some of the very top girls in several age groups, walk away. Do you really think they developed the talent that made 2020 what they once were? No, those kids walked on developed and ran when they recognized the lack of development. I actually hope the TG situation settles down and stabilizes, I love the idea of multiple strong clubs available for girls to choose from, but lets keep the ridiculous spin theories to a minimum.

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