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New York Vote : Girls Helmets?
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Come December, there will be an important vote here in New York to require helmets for all girls matches. One of the key arguments in favor of this move is to better protect the defensive players. What is your view? Good move?

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Come December, there will be an important vote here in New York to require helmets for all girls matches. One of the key arguments in favor of this move is to better protect the defensive players. What is your view? Good move?


Bad move, it will just open it up for more stick swinging.

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The full story is available at this web site.

November 9, 2010

Dear friend of womenís lacrosse in New York:

On behalf of the womenís game leadership and Sports Science and Safety committee of US Lacrosse, we are writing to inform you of a very serious threat to the safety of womenís lacrosse players in New York.

In late October, the stateís public high school athletic associationís (NYSPHSAA) safety committee made a motion stating that starting in the 2012 girls lacrosse season, all players will be required to wear a hard shell menís lacrosse helmet with face mask that meets all NOCSAE standards for the sport of menís lacrosse. The safety committee is made up of members from all 11 sections in the state, and when they vote on December 2nd, the members should be representing the vote of their section (high school coaches and athletic directorís). If the Safety Committee votes in favor of the motion then it would go to the Executive Committee on December 5th and 6th for either a final vote or dismissal.

If you are opposed to this measure, it is critical that you send a personal email and/or call your area section chair, Athletic Directors and Safety Committee members directly today, and ask them to VOTE NO on the December 2nd question to mandate menís lacrosse helmets for womenís lacrosse and support the official rules for girls and womenís lacrosse that have been approved by US Lacrosse and endorsed by the National Federation for High School Association.

Please find your NYSPHSAA section chair contact below and use the letter drafted at the link below, and modify depending on the position you serve in the sport, to communicate your opposition to the mandate and cc: Ann Carpenetti, Womenís Director, US Lacrosse acarpenetti@uslacrosse.org and Jacquie Gow, NYS womenís lacrosse chair jgow@glencove.k12.ny.us on all correspondence.

Download the letter draft as a Word document or a PDF.

NYSPHSAA Section Chair Contacts:
Name
Section
Phone
Email

Jennifer Simmons
1
(914) 592-2526
jsimmonsbutt.org

Doug Kenyon
2
(518) 742-2033
dkenyonbutt.org

Fred Gula
2
(518) 355-8783
fgula@mycap.rr.com

John Rathbun
3
(215) 451-4588
jrathbunbutt.com

Ben Nelson
4
(607) 561-2347
bnsectionIVbutt.rr.com

Ed Stores
5
(585) 786-2132
estoresbutt.org

Timm Slade
6
(716) 821-7352
cszczesny@e1b.org

Karen Lopez
7
(518) 834-5276
klopez5276@charter.net

Todd Heimer
8
(516) 396-2488
theimer@mail.nasboces.org

Robert Thabet
9
(845) 294-5799
rthabetbutt.org

Jim Osborne
9
(845) 294-5799
josborne@ouboces.org

Carl Normandin
10
(315) 386-2226 X15103
cnormandinbutt.org

Edward Cinelli
11
(631) 366-4900
ecinellibutt.org


Yours in lacrosse,
The US Lacrosse Women's Division

Ann Kitt-Carpenetti
Women's Division Director

Liz Piper
Women's Divison Associate

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The full story is available at this web site.

November 9, 2010

Dear friend of womenís lacrosse in New York:

On behalf of the womenís game leadership and Sports Science and Safety committee of US Lacrosse, we are writing to inform you of a very serious threat to the safety of womenís lacrosse players in New York.

In late October, the stateís public high school athletic associationís (NYSPHSAA) safety committee made a motion stating that starting in the 2012 girls lacrosse season, all players will be required to wear a hard shell menís lacrosse helmet with face mask that meets all NOCSAE standards for the sport of menís lacrosse. The safety committee is made up of members from all 11 sections in the state, and when they vote on December 2nd, the members should be representing the vote of their section (high school coaches and athletic directorís). If the Safety Committee votes in favor of the motion then it would go to the Executive Committee on December 5th and 6th for either a final vote or dismissal.

If you are opposed to this measure, it is critical that you send a personal email and/or call your area section chair, Athletic Directors and Safety Committee members directly today, and ask them to VOTE NO on the December 2nd question to mandate menís lacrosse helmets for womenís lacrosse and support the official rules for girls and womenís lacrosse that have been approved by US Lacrosse and endorsed by the National Federation for High School Association.

Please find your NYSPHSAA section chair contact below and use the letter drafted at the link below, and modify depending on the position you serve in the sport, to communicate your opposition to the mandate and cc: Ann Carpenetti, Womenís Director, US Lacrosse acarpenetti@uslacrosse.org and Jacquie Gow, NYS womenís lacrosse chair jgow@glencove.k12.ny.us on all correspondence.

Download the letter draft as a Word document or a PDF.

NYSPHSAA Section Chair Contacts:
Name
Section
Phone
Email

Jennifer Simmons
1
(914) 592-2526
jsimmonsbutt.org

Doug Kenyon
2
(518) 742-2033
dkenyonbutt.org

Fred Gula
2
(518) 355-8783
fgula@mycap.rr.com

John Rathbun
3
(215) 451-4588
jrathbunbutt.com

Ben Nelson
4
(607) 561-2347
bnsectionIVbutt.rr.com

Ed Stores
5
(585) 786-2132
estoresbutt.org

Timm Slade
6
(716) 821-7352
cszczesny@e1b.org

Karen Lopez
7
(518) 834-5276
klopez5276@charter.net

Todd Heimer
8
(516) 396-2488
theimer@mail.nasboces.org

Robert Thabet
9
(845) 294-5799
rthabetbutt.org

Jim Osborne
9
(845) 294-5799
josborne@ouboces.org

Carl Normandin
10
(315) 386-2226 X15103
cnormandinbutt.org

Edward Cinelli
11
(631) 366-4900
ecinellibutt.org


Yours in lacrosse,
The US Lacrosse Women's Division

Ann Kitt-Carpenetti
Women's Division Director

Liz Piper
Women's Divison Associate


This will be defeated.

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Umpires need to call more fouls at a younger age level. I've seen many PAL town teams that are made up of premier players who know how to fool the ump and take advantage of less experienced opponents. Granted-they are taught this by their parents/coaches but umsportsmanlike conduct at 11/12yo affects everyone. In my 7 years of coaching I have repeatedly seen the Yellow Jackets at every age level play physical, dirty, and intentional checking games. Not only does it take away from the integrity of the game it doesn't teach a young girl to play correctly. Just my 2 cents...

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See this story from Lacrosse Magazine : New York Considers Men's Helmets for Women's Lacrosse

An upcoming vote by the New York State Public High School Athletic Association (NYSPHSAA) to require men's lacrosse helmets to be worn in women's lacrosse as soon as 2012 has advocates of the sport concerned.

"I think the idea of making girls wear helmets that were specifically designed for a different game is irresponsible," said Ann Carpenetti, managing director for game administration for US Lacrosse.

The vote by the NYSPHSAA's Safety & Research Committee is scheduled for Dec. 2 and, if it passes there, would be sent to the NYSPHSAA Executive Committee for a vote on Dec. 5 or 6. Leaders from US Lacrosse, including Carpenetti and Steve Stenersen (president and chief executive officer) spoke against the proposal at a Section 8 (Nassau County) meeting on Tuesday.

The proposal came about due to the desire to reduce the number of concussions in girls' lacrosse. The topic was discussed in New York last year as well, but it was not brought up for a vote, as it has been this year.

US Lacrosse has been at the leading edge of addressing the concern over concussions, but does not support this particular approach.

"There's no data in any sport that tells us that helmets prevent concussions," said Margot Putukian, M.D., the director of athletic medicine services at Princeton University and the chair of the US Lacrosse Sports Science & Safety Committee. "They weren't designed to do that. They were designed to prevent skull fractures and intracranial bleeds."

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Come December, there will be an important vote here in New York to require helmets for all girls matches. One of the key arguments in favor of this move is to better protect the defensive players. What is your view? Good move?
Whether girlsí lacrosse players should wear helmets continues to be a hot issue. The New York State Public High School Athletic Association (NYSPHAA) Safety Committee discussed the issue during an October 13th conference call.

This was the decision that came about: ďStarting with the 2012 Girlsí Lacrosse season all players will be mandated to wear a hard shell helmet with a facemask that meets all of the NOCSAE (National Operating Committee on Standards for Athletic Equipment) requirements for the sport of lacrosse.Ē

All the seection representatives will vote on whether to allow helmets on December 2nd.

Personally, many of the lacrosse players and coaches Iíve talked to say that they do not want to wear helmets. Maybe it could be a good thing for safety longer term since it seems to get more physical with each passing season.

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Come December, there will be an important vote here in New York to require helmets for all girls matches. One of the key arguments in favor of this move is to better protect the defensive players. What is your view? Good move?
Whether girlsí lacrosse players should wear helmets continues to be a hot issue. The New York State Public High School Athletic Association (NYSPHAA) Safety Committee discussed the issue during an October 13th conference call.

This was the decision that came about: ďStarting with the 2012 Girlsí Lacrosse season all players will be mandated to wear a hard shell helmet with a facemask that meets all of the NOCSAE (National Operating Committee on Standards for Athletic Equipment) requirements for the sport of lacrosse.Ē

All the seection representatives will vote on whether to allow helmets on December 2nd.

Personally, many of the lacrosse players and coaches Iíve talked to say that they do not want to wear helmets. Maybe it could be a good thing for safety longer term since it seems to get more physical with each passing season.
This just in...from Inside Lacrosse vote was held today and voted NO with a 7 - 2 outcome against girls wearing helmets!

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New York State Says 'No' to Helmets for Girls' LacrosseThe New York State Public High School Athletic Association safety committee had proposed a rule that would require girls' lacrosse players to wear helmets beginning in 2012. On Tuesday, the motion was defeated, 7-2.

"Each section had a safety representative that voted according to what their section decided. Section 7 did not vote because it does not have girls' lacrosse.

"If the safety committee had voted in favor of helmets, then there would have been a state vote by the section representatives, according to girls' lacrosse state chairperson Jacquie Gow."

Read the full story at RecordOnline.com.

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Anonymous #179 12/04/10 11:16 AM
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No helmets headed to girls' lacrosse

Girls will stick to goggles in lacrosse.
(Times Herald-Record/Mira Wassef)

Published: 2:00 AM - 12/03/10
Last updated: 9:34 PM - 12/03/10

The prospect of girls' lacrosse players wearing helmets has been a hot issue for several years.

But the talk turned to action in October when the New York State Public High School Athletic Association safety committee made a motion that would require the use of helmets beginning in the 2012 season.

But that's as far as it got.

The state safety committee voted down the motion, 7-2, on Tuesday. Each section had a safety representative that voted according to what their section decided. Section 7 did not vote because it does not have girls' lacrosse.

If the safety committee had voted in favor of helmets, then there would have been a state vote by the section representatives, according to girls' lacrosse state chairperson Jacquie Gow.

"This was the first time it got to a state vote," Gow said. "I personally don't see a good reason for helmets. The girls' game is different from the boys' game."

Kingston girls' lacrosse coach Debbie Eaton said it's good not to put helmets on girls for now, though she believes more research needs to be done.

"I think this is just the beginning and it will be revisited," Eaton said. "Maybe in the near future they could have some type of lightweight protective head gear. I don't think they should wear the boys' helmets. It's too heavy and girls don't wear shoulder pads and chest protectors like they do in the boys' game. But some kind of protective head gear would be a good thing."

The safety committee reviewed injury data that was collected by the National Federation of High Schools Injury Surveillance Survey for girls' lacrosse and the information collected by the state association from certified athletic trainers before making the motion.

The committee's concern focused on head injuries, including concussions, and with facial lacerations from checking. Girls are required to wear protective eye wear.

To combat the possible injuries, the state has introduced new rules for the upcoming season. If a team gets three yellow cards in game, it will play one man short the next game. If a player gets a red card, she will miss two games.

"This is seen as a necessity to bring people back in line and cut down on the physicality," Cow said.

"The onus is on the coaches to make sure the girls know how to play properly," Eaton said. "We need to preserve the integrity of the women's game and make sure it executed the way it was meant to be."

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Newsday has a research article which has reopened this discussion. See the article referenced below.

Newsday Article : Lacrosse Helmet Debate Resumes for Girls

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Further to the discussion, Newsday has dedicated the first FIVE PAGES of their Main Edition in Sunday's paper to this topic including several articles and some heart stopping statistics. It is hard to read the details in these pieces and not pause to think about the introduction of helmets of some type (either soft shell or hard shell) into the girls game. Now that the Varsity season is closing and the club/elite tournament season is gearing up, this is a serious topic that should be examined by all clubs, parents, players, and organizations.

After reading the Newsday pieces, we would like to hear your views. Again, congrats to Tom Rock and Stephen Haynes for bringing this debate to a wider audience on Long Island.

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On the sidelines of my daughter's lacrosse game we all discussed this issue. It was unanimous: everyone thinks helmets are the way to go.

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Originally Posted by Powderfinger
On the sidelines of my daughter's lacrosse game we all discussed this issue. It was unanimous: everyone thinks helmets are the way to go.
no way!!! why stop their let them put on shoulder pads and glove,let them play like the boys....

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On the sidelines of my daughter's lacrosse game we all discussed this issue. It was unanimous: everyone thinks helmets are the way to go.
no way!!! why stop their let them put on shoulder pads and glove,let them play like the boys....
How do you respond to the concussions discussed in the Newsday article? Do we just accept the "couple" of concussions as a cost of playing without helmets? Explain why the girls should NOT wear helmets.

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