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Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2011/Spring 2012
Anonymous #10436 04/06/12 10:43 AM
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Should a child play on 2017 if they play for HS team?

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Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2011/Spring 2012
Anonymous #10439 04/06/12 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Should a child play on 2017 if they play for HS team?


No. You are probably better off playing on a U15 team if you are talented enough in 7th grade to play varsity. Haven't heard of too many 7th grade HS players. 8th grade is uncommon enough. Now, if your question is should someone on a HS team play down on a 2017 team - definitely NO!

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Anonymous #10440 04/06/12 12:20 PM
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Of course he should be able, why tell a 7th grader that is good enough to play on his or her High School team, whether it be JV or Varsity, that you cant play with the 2017 club team? imo crazy to punish a kid..

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Anonymous #10447 04/06/12 07:37 PM
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That is a bad HS TEAM.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
That is a bad HS TEAM.


Our a good player. I know of a 7th grader more then contributing on a jv team. Varsity would be a little much.

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Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2011/Spring 2012
CageSage #10488 04/08/12 10:17 AM
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Throwing the Hot Shotz team into the summer mix. Very well coached by Eric Dunne, Chris Martocchia and Yale soph Brandon Mangan. The whole team is made up of scrappy Wantagh boys who started raw and have come a very long way under the guidance of Coach Dunne. Not the best team out there, but in terms of a true town team that plays ALL of the better travel teams they play well. Kudos to the little punks from Wantagh!

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Anonymous #10494 04/08/12 01:05 PM
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I thought there were US lacrosse rules (could be wrong) about which level you should play on if you play ANY HS level lax. Cage please confirm.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I thought there were US lacrosse rules (could be wrong) about which level you should play on if you play ANY HS level lax. Cage please confirm.
US Lacrosse has Age and Eligibility Guidelines available at this location :

US Lacrosse Age and Eligibility Guidelines

The ruling on which you seek more information follows.

Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, varsity or club team should not be eligible for U15 competition in the same season. This means that a player who is age-eligible for U15 but plays on a high school level team should not concurrently play on a youth league U15 team. At other times of the year this player may be U15 eligible, for example, for summer ball or fall ball play, depending on the guidelines of the sponsoring league or organization.

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So a 7th grader or 8th grader should not play 2017/18 (of course no 8th grader should play 2017 anyway) if they play JV ball in the spring but of course who is following US lacrosse rules.

I am not sure if this should be enforced with so many 7th/8th graders on JV teams across the island.


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Originally Posted by Anonymous
So a 7th grader or 8th grader should not play 2017/18 (of course no 8th grader should play 2017 anyway) if they play JV ball in the spring but of course who is following US lacrosse rules.

I am not sure if this should be enforced with so many 7th/8th graders on JV teams across the island.


If I understand it correctly, seems like the Tri-State tournament may be a good model. It has both a U15 age based division that is adhering to the US Lacrosse guidelines while also having a Grade based division for AA Elite Travel Clubs.

http://www.trilax.com/pdfs/523611265111019_National.pdf

This is an excerpt from the link above:
AGE BRACKETS | Age guidelines must be STRICTLY followed.
Divisions and brackets are grade or age based. For age based
brackets, the cutoff date is 08|31|11. For example, if your player
was 10 on 08|31|11 then he qualifies for the U11 division. If your
player is 11 on 08|31|11, then he does not age qualify for U11 and
must play in the U13 division. U15 players fall under both our U15
and Rising Sophomore divisions. The U15 consists of Youth
brackets and players cannot have had any HS playing experience
prior to Summer 2012 (no Rising Sophomores). The Rising
Sophomore consists of HS brackets and is for players who have had
HS playing experience prior to the 2012 Summer or have completed
their Freshman year of HS. All AA brackets require tournament
director approval. Rising Senior AA is by invite only.
At all levels, players can play up but NEVER down!

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Originally Posted by 429lax
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So a 7th grader or 8th grader should not play 2017/18 (of course no 8th grader should play 2017 anyway) if they play JV ball in the spring but of course who is following US lacrosse rules.

I am not sure if this should be enforced with so many 7th/8th graders on JV teams across the island.


If I understand it correctly, seems like the Tri-State tournament may be a good model. It has both a U15 age based division that is adhering to the US Lacrosse guidelines while also having a Grade based division for AA Elite Travel Clubs.

http://www.trilax.com/pdfs/523611265111019_National.pdf

This is an excerpt from the link above:
AGE BRACKETS | Age guidelines must be STRICTLY followed.
Divisions and brackets are grade or age based. For age based
brackets, the cutoff date is 08|31|11. For example, if your player
was 10 on 08|31|11 then he qualifies for the U11 division. If your
player is 11 on 08|31|11, then he does not age qualify for U11 and
must play in the U13 division. U15 players fall under both our U15
and Rising Sophomore divisions. The U15 consists of Youth
brackets and players cannot have had any HS playing experience
prior to Summer 2012 (no Rising Sophomores). The Rising
Sophomore consists of HS brackets and is for players who have had
HS playing experience prior to the 2012 Summer or have completed
their Freshman year of HS. All AA brackets require tournament
director approval. Rising Senior AA is by invite only.
At all levels, players can play up but NEVER down!


That's well and good, but how do they enforce it. I am sure there are plenty of 8th graders who get moved up to JV. Doesnt mean their travel team they play with over the summer is going to 1. Take them off their roster or 2. Moved the whole team up to a rising sophomore level. I would guess each travel 8th grade team would have more then a few JV players on each team.

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Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2011/Spring 2012
Anonymous #10580 04/09/12 10:53 PM
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What about those 7th graders on JV teams. Uh Oh. Makes us 2018 parents think twice about next year and things to come.

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Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2011/Spring 2012
Anonymous #10581 04/09/12 11:09 PM
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This is a 2017 thread. Sure move a qualified 8th grader up to JV.

But there are a few 7th graders ( deservedly or not ) on JV teams. Some of these boys are on these so called LI elite travel teams. You know who you re.

So the question is Is it right for them to play summer u13. I say who cares where they played in the spring, they all want the best summer experience and that means playing against the best.

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So a 7th grader or 8th grader should not play 2017/18 (of course no 8th grader should play 2017 anyway) if they play JV ball in the spring but of course who is following US lacrosse rules.

I am not sure if this should be enforced with so many 7th/8th graders on JV teams across the island.


If I understand it correctly, seems like the Tri-State tournament may be a good model. It has both a U15 age based division that is adhering to the US Lacrosse guidelines while also having a Grade based division for AA Elite Travel Clubs.

http://www.trilax.com/pdfs/523611265111019_National.pdf

This is an excerpt from the link above:
AGE BRACKETS | Age guidelines must be STRICTLY followed.
Divisions and brackets are grade or age based. For age based
brackets, the cutoff date is 08|31|11. For example, if your player
was 10 on 08|31|11 then he qualifies for the U11 division. If your
player is 11 on 08|31|11, then he does not age qualify for U11 and
must play in the U13 division. U15 players fall under both our U15
and Rising Sophomore divisions. The U15 consists of Youth
brackets and players cannot have had any HS playing experience
prior to Summer 2012 (no Rising Sophomores). The Rising
Sophomore consists of HS brackets and is for players who have had
HS playing experience prior to the 2012 Summer or have completed
their Freshman year of HS. All AA brackets require tournament
director approval. Rising Senior AA is by invite only.
At all levels, players can play up but NEVER down!


That's well and good, but how do they enforce it. I am sure there are plenty of 8th graders who get moved up to JV. Doesnt mean their travel team they play with over the summer is going to 1. Take them off their roster or 2. Moved the whole team up to a rising sophomore level. I would guess each travel 8th grade team would have more then a few JV players on each team.


I see your point. As you stated above - their are a lot of 8th graders who play JV and in rare cases Varsity for High Schools that are not lacrosse powerhouses. Although there is always the rare exceptional standout, most of these 8th graders play at the same level as the rest of their grade based travel teammates.

I always end up going back to the fact that I think the age brackets are set up wrong. Should be U10, U12, and U14. The vast majority of 8th graders would fall into the U14 category. After U14 make it all Rising Sophomore, Rising Junior and Rising Senior which coincides with college recruiting camps, etc.. The U15 bracket blurs the line between Youth and High School which makes no sense. Seems like a pretty simple and basic fix.




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Re: Boys 2017 Fall 2011/Spring 2012
429lax #10595 04/10/12 12:35 PM
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For youth sports, I think it should be age based not U or grade based. Pick cutoff dates and stick with it. Someone will always be older someone will always be younger.

But the issue is the child who is not in HS who is playing HS level, maybe if you play JV or V and are on a 7/8, U13, or U15 team then that team most becomes an "AA" team, where it is understood who may be playing on those "AA" teams.

If you are not on a "AA" team should you really be playing HS level. Rules stipulate you should not be pulled up to fill a spot. My understadning is also that the 7/8 grader cant just be the best play that is left (or available) but better than more than half the existing team trying out.

but like everything else the lines get blurred.





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