Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It absolutely is spin. Just like you are trying to spin it. The discussion had nothing to do with HS accolades until a spin doctor tried to change the discussion and bring it up.


Stony Brook poster took a shot at Florida saying they have had more talent then Stony Brook and they have done NADA. It was then pointed out that in actuality Stony Brook has had more All-American selections than Florida over the past four years and they have also done NADA.

It was pointed out that the fact is that based on their regular season success and recognition Stony Brook has been the most under achieving team in the country.

So, facts are pointed out and what do the SBU people do? They try to change the narrative and make it about "We do pretty good for a team of no names who were all overlooked by the perennial powers". Another lie by the way, as it was also pointed out that Stony Brook actually is one of the "perennial powers" considering they are one of a very select group of 10 -12 Teams that have finished the season ranked in the Top 20 in each of the past six years.

The fact is that the majority of the top players for Stony Brook had very good HS careers. Just about all of them were named Captain of their team (which says a lot about the player / person). I agree with you that most of the HS accolades are very watered down and meaningless.There are way too many and they are really not based on ability. It is almost an everybody gets a trophy situation. That said, being named one of the nine All-Americans from Nassau and eight from Suffolk is a nice recognition.

In any event, the discussion was about "actual talent" not HS accolades. and the reality is that Stony Brook has had a lot of talent.


Actually it is your spin. The original poster was saying that Florida coach is terrible in that she brings in a lot of talented players but the team underacheives every year .When someone points out that Spallina gets the most out of the talent he brings in the SBU parents get annoyed because they don’t think of their own kids and teammates as being players that were not highly regarded in high school . Fact is that it’s somewhere in between. Do the top players from LI , MD , etc want to go to SBU , no .Do many of those top players want to go to UNC, Maryland , yes. Is what it is but SBU does not get very highly regarded recruiting classes coming in year after year which is difficult to do as rarely do players from out of state want to go to SBU so the pool is limited .
Basing the perceived talent level of incoming players on high school accolades including being a captain is lacking , I know many of the current SB players and also know that most had little interest from other top 5-10 programs .


You are changing it again. Below are the posts that started the discussion, none made any mention of HS accolades:

Original post that started it: "Any insight to playday at Manhasset? Heard FL looked great . Other teams?"

Response: "FL always looks great until it matters - SB was the most impressive team there by far"

Response to above: "What is the saying? Something about glass houses?

Talk about looking great until it matters.... It is repeated over and over on this site how certain teams under achieve every year... the two programs that are attacked most often are probably Notre Dame and Florida (haters gonna hate). The reality is that for the past several years the most under achieving team "when it matters" has been Stony Brook.

Talk about a team that "always looks great until it matters" Take a look at their track record when it matters.... Abysmal.

Actual results are what actually matter... here are Stony Brook's

2014: 16 - 3 going into the tournament. Lost to Syracuse in round of 16.

2015: 18 - 1 going into the tournament. Lost to Princeton in round of 16.

2016: 15 - 3 going into the tournament. Lost to Syracuse in round of 16.

2017: 18 - 1 going into the tournament. Lost to Maryland in round of 8.

2018: 19 - 0 going into the tournament. Lost to Boston College in round of 8."


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Then here are then a few posts pointing out that Stony Brook has become a perennial power and has been in the company of the Top 10 - 12 programs for a number of years now.

Also, it was pointed out that SBU has actually had more All American Selections then Florida over the past four years.

Then and only then does the narrative change to: How many UA AA's , U19, Top 20 recruits?
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Looking at last years Stony Brook Roster (only looked at the players who played in their final game) The majority were highly regarded coming out of HS. Several were named All-American and I am sure they were not overlooked. They might not have been top recruits for places like Florida, MD, UNC, ND, BC but I am sure they were the Top Recruits for Stony Brook.

Those players were good coming in.


Point is on the National landscape Sb is taking an unknown kid and turning them into better players than many many many “top “ power schools I’m talking National and to your point Spallina clearly recruits differently and chases a certain player that he rates highly. So in his eyes he’s getting his player. Nationally under achieving schools are getting top recruits and doing nothing. Such as ND Florida USC Duke Syracuse etc


Please stop. For the most part stony brooks top players were all known on the National Landscape and all he plays is his top players. KO, TO, AK etc... Didn't fly under anyone's radar. Most if not all of the HS All Americans that went to SBU played YJ and played at all the top tournaments. This notion that he is taking no name players that nobody wants is a myth. Maybe he fills the roster with many of those players but the majority of the stars were HS AA's. The way some of you talk you would think he has won a National Championship.

He is obviously a very good coach and has built a great program. He has not turned water into wine.