We can be realistic, or we can keep saying f the prefirst and holdback kids. HS is never changing from grade based, because it just isn't! Showcases and recruiting style tournaments are not going to have age groups. Again, we can pout, stick out our lips, bang our head against the wall, but HS is staying by grad year. That being said, for those that say go age based for youth, grade based for HS, what would pre-first kids play in 8th grade, since you would not be including their age group for youth ball? Grade based excludes nobody right now. So if we want to change youth to age based, we need to make sure to address the pre-first/holdback kids at the 8th grade log jam. Add a smaller U15/U16 middle school division for those kids? Productive solutions call for productive debate, so no we can't call it the elite 8th grade league, and no we can't call it the MS cheater bracket. You guys are like the dems and reps fighting over health care repeal, this is certainly less complicated, but there has to be some budge in both directions.