Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Arguing about hold backs in a league with prefirst in most of the curriculums is really pointless. Majority did prefirst, minority held back later, even less did neither. Stupid, weak argument.



Correct. And this was the MIAA schools secret among most people until the youth grade based lacrosse leagues started. No one knew or cared outside of MIAA schools about prefirst/reclass . It only effected school teams playing each other in Middle and High school . Even the Crabs who were loaded with private school kids had an age based U13 and U15 team back then.

But once HOCO decided to have a youth grade base league. Everyone in the lacrosse community understands it now and most besides the apologists think it is wrong in youth sports.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Arguing about hold backs in a league with prefirst in most of the curriculums is really pointless. Majority did prefirst, minority held back later, even less did neither. Stupid, weak argument.



Correct. And this was the MIAA schools secret among most people until the youth grade based lacrosse leagues started. No one knew or cared outside of MIAA schools about prefirst/reclass . It only effected school teams playing each other in Middle and High school . Even the Crabs who were loaded with private school kids had an age based U13 and U15 team back then.

But once HOCO decided to have a youth grade base league. Everyone in the lacrosse community understands it now and most besides the apologists think it is wrong in youth sports.


HoCo exposed prefirst, oh no, what are we going to do? The horror, how will we ever survive together on Earth?


As always the apologists come out with their usual strawmen or excuses.The only horror is in your mind that these select kids will have to play at their age grouping during their youth. No one knew or even cared about the prefist mentality of Private schools. And no one cares even now as it pertains to private schools. It is a good thing for private schools as curriculum is very strong. And Privates dont want to spend extra time or extra resources constantly getting kids ( majority boys) up to speed.
But how did that become an excuse to let these select kids get an advantage in YOUTH lacrosse. Not private school lacrosse..but Youth lacrosse for everyone?? Apologize away...


This is a HS forum, not youth. Your argument for youth, though, still should be with the league and not the players/families. Sounds better to blame apologists, strawmen, whatever you want to label folks, but this is a rules issue. A parent of a youth in a particular grade is going to check that grade on the registration form, and they are not compelled to add plus one because their kid is in a different curriculum than a public school kid. No, they aren't select, they are just human. The parent of a 4th grader is not going to check 5th grade to make you happy. Some that know the game will play their kid up, because sure, you really want to play as high as possible to get the best competition, but most ding dong parents are just there to drop off and pick up have no idea what we are even talking about in this argument, so they just simply fill out the form to the best of their knowledge. It is a rules issue. But remember, if you were to win a rules argument, youth age brackets are typically in 2 year increments, which on average is greater than the private vs. public (what you call holdback) differential of about 1yr-18mo average. Have fun with this stupid argument, though.