Enough with holdback stuff--just create your own forum if you want to explore this topic ad nauseum.... I would prefer to focus on the prospects of Team 88 + 3 winning HOCO!
They have a chance with all of the hold backs
Stop posting about it and challenge their roster - they will have no problem with you doing so and it may keep you quiet for a few years. Very easy to ask Hoco for a copy of their roster and it has the DOBs and grades of each boy. They are a team with nothing to hide.