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#3326 - 09/01/11 08:36 PM Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse * [Re: Anonymous]
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My daughter tried out for the 2017 team. There were approximately 60+ girls at the tryout and the coaches seemed well organized and paying close attention. The try-outs lasted 2 hours and the girls worked hard the entire time. They seemed to be very fair and paid attention to all of the groups. I know that girls that were on the black team last year were moved to purple team this year. I think this organization did a great job, especially doing the try-outs early and outside allowing for better assessment of the girls.

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#3331 - 09/02/11 06:04 AM Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse [Re: Anonymous]
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
My daughter tried out for the 2017 team. There were approximately 60+ girls at the tryout and the coaches seemed well organized and paying close attention. The try-outs lasted 2 hours and the girls worked hard the entire time. They seemed to be very fair and paid attention to all of the groups. I know that girls that were on the black team last year were moved to purple team this year. I think this organization did a great job, especially doing the try-outs early and outside allowing for better assessment of the girls.


2017 is pretty young. teams will change over the next few years so it may be more important to them to try to get the best ones hooked now.

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#3338 - 09/02/11 08:51 PM Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse [Re: Anonymous]
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For those who followed the Top Guns summer camps or coaching action, the following press release will be very heartwarming information - particularly after the U/15 national championships.

NU's Smith WSF Sportswoman of the Year Finalist

EVANSTON, Ill. -- Rising Northwestern lacrosse senior Shannon Smith (West Babylon, N.Y./West Babylon) has been selected by the Women's Sports Foundation as one of 10 female candidates from all sports and from around the globe for the organization's Sportswoman of the Year honor.

Each year, the Women's Sports Foundation -- founded in 1974 by tennis legend Billie Jean King -- recognizes an individual sport athlete and team sport athlete whose performances over a 12-month time span have been exceptional. Past winners include Venus and Serena Williams, Nastia Liukin, Jessica Mendoza and Jackie Joyner-Kersee.

For the first time, voting for the award is being conducted partially through an online vote hosted by Facebook. To cast a vote for Smith, fans can visit Facebook.com/WomensSportsFoundation, browse the photo albums for Team Sport Athlete finalists and simply "like" the photo of their choice. Fans are permitted one vote in each album, team and individual. Those who do not utilize Facebook can review nominees' bios at www.WomensSportsFoundation.org and e-mail with their votes.

Winners will be determined by a combination of the public vote (50 percent) and the Women's Sports Foundation's Awards Committee's vote (50 percent). The winners will be the two athletes -- one individual finalist and one team finalist -- who receive the highest combined share of the public vote and the Awards Committee's vote.

The top three finalists in each of the categories will be invited to attend the Annual Salute to Women in Sports Awards Gala, where the Sportswoman of the Year Award recipients will be announced and honored.

Among the nominees in Smith's team sport category are USA women's soccer standout Abby Wambach and WNBA superstar Maya Moore, along with: Luciana Aymar (Argentina, field hockey), Annika Dries (USA, water polo), Meghan Duggan (USA, ice hockey), Juliana Felisberta/Larissa Franca (Brazil, beach volleyball), Sandra Kiriasis (Germany, bobsled), Anette Norberg (Sweden, curling) and Stacy Sykora (USA, volleyball).

After leading Division I women's lacrosse in points from wire to wire in the regular season, Smith raised her game to another level in the postseason as she willed Northwestern to a seventh-straight ALC championship and eventually its sixth NCAA championship in seven years. She scored at least four goals in all six postseason games for NU -- including five in each of the first four -- and came up with the game-winning goals in an 11-10 semifinal win over North Carolina as well as in a thrilling 8-7 victory over No. 1 Maryland for the national title.

Her 18 goals during the NCAA tournament -- second-most all-time for one player in the national tournament -- netted her NCAA Championship MVP honors and allowed her to break the Northwestern single-season goals record with 86. Her 128 points on the year rank as the second-best total ever by a Wildcat and seventh-best in Division I women's lacrosse history.

Winner of the Tewaaraton Award and Lacrosse Honda Sports Award, Smith also took home the Suzy Favor Award as Big Ten Female Athlete of the Year for 2010-11.

The Women's Sports Foundation is dedicated to advancing the lives of girls and women through sports and physical activity, providing scholarships and grants to aspiring athletes. The group funds groundbreaking research and public awareness campaigns, organizing programs in cities across the country.

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#3340 - 09/02/11 09:55 PM Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse [Re: Powderfinger]
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Did your daughter tell you she was told to sub herself in? There was definitely a plan and the subbing was obviously well thought out.

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#3342 - 09/03/11 06:22 AM Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse [Re: Jennifer]
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Did your daughter tell you she was told to sub herself in? There was definitely a plan and the subbing was obviously well thought out.


There did seem to be a plan at tryout for the select. My daughter was told "sub yourselves in" they were not given positions, girls took the ones they wanted. The current TG girls marked each other and the new girls were left. My daughter has a friend who had the same experience.

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#3343 - 09/03/11 08:27 AM Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse [Re: Anonymous]
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I agree with you but I have another comment. I don't know where you were at the 2017 tryout but it was very obvious to me and the group I was with that the existing team members with the purple on were definitely being played while other kids were "subs". Almost like they knew where their starters were going to be and wanted to see how the kids would measure up. I am new to travel so I don't know if this is "normal" for a tryout. My daughter played for a travel program last year but was asked to participate. I am glad they are taking two teams so that many will have an opportunity to play for Top Guns. I hear good things about them!

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#3344 - 09/03/11 09:50 AM Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse [Re: Anonymous]
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Telling girls that age to sub themselves in during a try-out is ridiculous and makes it seem like they may not have had enough help at the try-out. Having the new girls play against the previous years girls is not that uncommon but they should also get a chance to mix things up.

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#3346 - 09/03/11 10:53 AM Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse [Re: Anonymous]
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If one is truly evaluating, you will not leave it up to kids to sub themselves in, telling the subs to do it themselves at this age tells me that they weren't even evaluating the new ones. If one has experience coaching/working with this age group, knowing new kids will not be assertive you are leaving the entire tryouts a waste of time for these kids. You would know having enough to evaluate is not the problem, a seasoned coach/evaluator can handle it easily.
We were at one of the "Crooked Arrow" auditions for kids and they did a better job evaluating 70 kids per age group.

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#3347 - 09/03/11 11:20 AM Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse [Re: Anonymous]
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I went to try outs for two age groups and girls were not left to sub themselves in. The scrimmages were definately divided into groups based upon skill level determined by the skill drills leading into the scrimmage. Girls on the bubble appeared to be pitted in and with existing team members. My daughter was put in a scrimmage obviously playing for a spot on the b team, being honest with myself, that's where she belonged, and I'm glad to let her play there, develope and try to move up over the next year or two. Some parents seemed to be beside themselves that their daughters were not scrimmaging in the group which was obviously the A team. Just for feedback purposes I felt the tryout for the teams I saw were extremely well run and fair,they did a good job placing the talent levels in the scrimmages.

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#3349 - 09/03/11 12:55 PM Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse [Re: Anonymous]
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Telling girls that age to sub themselves in during a try-out is ridiculous and makes it seem like they may not have had enough help at the try-out. Having the new girls play against the previous years girls is not that uncommon but they should also get a chance to mix things up.


One evluation model often used at try outs uses existing players as known quantities, a baseline so to speak. It sounds funny but a girl with exceptional skills and abilities may get early looks from the evaluators where the descision to put her on the team gets made early. They may then spend more time concetrating on other players that need a closer look. Of course the opposite is true too, where players that are not going to make the teams become apparent early and get set aside. Unfortunately some kids who don't have the lacrosse skills,usually newer players, sometimes are just good atheletes and just may get pushed aside. Also some kids are gamers, where they just light up under real game conditions, this is hard to judge at try outs and is why viewing a player under real game conditions is best. Not and option in this case.

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#3350 - 09/03/11 02:49 PM Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse [Re: Anonymous]
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
I went to try outs for two age groups and girls were not left to sub themselves in. The scrimmages were definately divided into groups based upon skill level determined by the skill drills leading into the scrimmage. Girls on the bubble appeared to be pitted in and with existing team members. My daughter was put in a scrimmage obviously playing for a spot on the b team, being honest with myself, that's where she belonged, and I'm glad to let her play there, develope and try to move up over the next year or two. Some parents seemed to be beside themselves that their daughters were not scrimmaging in the group which was obviously the A team. Just for feedback purposes I felt the tryout for the teams I saw were extremely well run and fair,they did a good job placing the talent levels in the scrimmages.


Absolutely wrong. When my daughter checked in she was given a team number which was used to set up teams for scrimmaging. It had nothing to do with the station work.

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#3351 - 09/03/11 02:56 PM Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse [Re: Anonymous]
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous

Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Telling girls that age to sub themselves in during a try-out is ridiculous and makes it seem like they may not have had enough help at the try-out. Having the new girls play against the previous years girls is not that uncommon but they should also get a chance to mix things up.


One evluation model often used at try outs uses existing players as known quantities, a baseline so to speak. It sounds funny but a girl with exceptional skills and abilities may get early looks from the evaluators where the descision to put her on the team gets made early. They may then spend more time concetrating on other players that need a closer look. Of course the opposite is true too, where players that are not going to make the teams become apparent early and get set aside. Unfortunately some kids who don't have the lacrosse skills,usually newer players, sometimes are just good atheletes and just may get pushed aside. Also some kids are gamers, where they just light up under real game conditions, this is hard to judge at try outs and is why viewing a player under real game conditions is best. Not and option in this case.


I agree, if you start out bad you may not get another look. I can only speak for my daughter. She has played on a top club for 3 summers. There she plays on the 2nd of 4 teams. I watched only the shuttles. She did miss a pass, one that was 4 feet above her head. She said she did well in the stations, at least as good as others but then was told to sub herself in during the scrimmage an got 5 minutes of play which I did see. She marked a girl who never went to goal, never received a pass so she maybe didn't look so good. The current players only passed to themselves. It really is no big deal. I see it as their loss but think people should know how this club set up a nice fundraiser for themselves.

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#3353 - 09/03/11 04:32 PM Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse [Re: Anonymous]
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what about girls that arent even of age yet playing? I mean if they don't have a team for your age group, just wait until you're old enough. One team had a third grader playing on a fifth grade team last year. Really? why take the spot away from a fifth grader to give to a third grader. I don't care how good the kid is.

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#3355 - 09/03/11 06:46 PM Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse [Re: Anonymous]
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
I went to try outs for two age groups and girls were not left to sub themselves in. The scrimmages were definately divided into groups based upon skill level determined by the skill drills leading into the scrimmage. Girls on the bubble appeared to be pitted in and with existing team members. My daughter was put in a scrimmage obviously playing for a spot on the b team, being honest with myself, that's where she belonged, and I'm glad to let her play there, develope and try to move up over the next year or two. Some parents seemed to be beside themselves that their daughters were not scrimmaging in the group which was obviously the A team. Just for feedback purposes I felt the tryout for the teams I saw were extremely well run and fair,they did a good job placing the talent levels in the scrimmages.


Absolutely wrong. When my daughter checked in she was given a team number which was used to set up teams for scrimmaging. It had nothing to do with the station work.


A jersey number, team and station were given to the girls upon check in. This was soley for seting them up through the stations for evaluation. If you noticed at the begining of the scrimmage all girls were called to center field and individually sent to a scrimmage team, which was absolutely decided from the station play. Either that or they have esp because the talent level difference between the two different scrimmages was drastic.

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#3356 - 09/03/11 06:50 PM Re: Long Island Top Guns Lacrosse [Re: Anonymous]
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
what about girls that arent even of age yet playing? I mean if they don't have a team for your age group, just wait until you're old enough. One team had a third grader playing on a fifth grade team last year. Really? why take the spot away from a fifth grader to give to a third grader. I don't care how good the kid is.

Good for her!

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