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BOTC is opening our Fall 2014 through Summer 2015 thread covering the Boys 2017 age group.

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Here's to the most insane dads on STRONG ISLAND. Keep complaining about the ages of other kids across the United States!

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Here's to the most insane dads on STRONG ISLAND. Keep complaining about the ages of other kids across the United States!


Ha ha. Nice opening salvo. Well, here's to keeping the system accountable and honest.

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Latest Duke commit is a 2017 with a Bday of January 1996. No complaining here but that's just outright absurd. He will be 18 in January and my son hasn't turned 15 yet. You see nothing wrong with this Mr. Maryland dad?

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Latest Duke commit is a 2017 with a Bday of January 1996. No complaining here but that's just outright absurd. He will be 18 in January and my son hasn't turned 15 yet. You see nothing wrong with this Mr. Maryland dad?

That's laughable. I mean good for the kid going to Duke, but lots of kids get into Duke every year without getting left back 2/3 years. I hope he can keep up academically if he needed all those years to close the gap with his own peers.

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Latest Duke commit is a 2017 with a Bday of January 1996. No complaining here but that's just outright absurd. He will be 18 in January and my son hasn't turned 15 yet. You see nothing wrong with this Mr. Maryland dad?


As a MD Dad with a 2017 who just turned 15 two months ago, I agree in principle. We can spend another 6 months on a thread complaining about it to no avail. Here is one thing I would say. My son wanted to be on the varsity field as a 9th grader, and he made it. They all want that, which means getting out there with kids who are seniors at least 3 years older. But for club play many this holy alliance they need to be in the same 12 month window. I'm fine with that. So why doesn't US lacrosse say that club play must be age based? Canadian box is. U-17, U-16, etc. That still does nothing to fix there being no rule against 16-18 year old HS freshman players. I wonder why the college coaches do not see a 16-17 year old freshman as "soft" or "asterisk" if after some diligence I learned that he did 8th grade over and/or 9th grade over to get over the hump to be recruited. That weakness and coping never leaves a kid I think...a lot of these reclassified kids will feel all alone without their Dad and club owner fixing it every time it didn't go great for them.

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Well said!!!

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LI dad that couldn't agree more, when they get to JV and Varsity age is out the window, and size, best way to beat a large D, move the ball, quick passes.

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You people are crazy... My son has told me that he wants to go to the best college possible academically and wants to play club, and love every second of it. d1 lacrosse is a job and i applaud all those who do it. Once you graduate, nobody cares where you played or how many goals you scored, the bottom line is you have to get a job. However I do respect d1 athletes greatly

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Latest Duke commit is a 2017 with a Bday of January 1996. No complaining here but that's just outright absurd. He will be 18 in January and my son hasn't turned 15 yet. You see nothing wrong with this Mr. Maryland dad?


As a MD Dad with a 2017 who just turned 15 two months ago, I agree in principle. We can spend another 6 months on a thread complaining about it to no avail. Here is one thing I would say. My son wanted to be on the varsity field as a 9th grader, and he made it. They all want that, which means getting out there with kids who are seniors at least 3 years older. But for club play many this holy alliance they need to be in the same 12 month window. I'm fine with that. So why doesn't US lacrosse say that club play must be age based? Canadian box is. U-17, U-16, etc. That still does nothing to fix there being no rule against 16-18 year old HS freshman players. I wonder why the college coaches do not see a 16-17 year old freshman as "soft" or "asterisk" if after some diligence I learned that he did 8th grade over and/or 9th grade over to get over the hump to be recruited. That weakness and coping never leaves a kid I think...a lot of these reclassified kids will feel all alone without their Dad and club owner fixing it every time it didn't go great for them.




There is no way you are from MD with that comment!!!'

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Latest Duke commit is a 2017 with a Bday of January 1996. No complaining here but that's just outright absurd. He will be 18 in January and my son hasn't turned 15 yet. You see nothing wrong with this Mr. Maryland dad?


As a MD Dad with a 2017 who just turned 15 two months ago, I agree in principle. We can spend another 6 months on a thread complaining about it to no avail. Here is one thing I would say. My son wanted to be on the varsity field as a 9th grader, and he made it. They all want that, which means getting out there with kids who are seniors at least 3 years older. But for club play many this holy alliance they need to be in the same 12 month window. I'm fine with that. So why doesn't US lacrosse say that club play must be age based? Canadian box is. U-17, U-16, etc. That still does nothing to fix there being no rule against 16-18 year old HS freshman players. I wonder why the college coaches do not see a 16-17 year old freshman as "soft" or "asterisk" if after some diligence I learned that he did 8th grade over and/or 9th grade over to get over the hump to be recruited. That weakness and coping never leaves a kid I think...a lot of these reclassified kids will feel all alone without their Dad and club owner fixing it every time it didn't go great for them.




There is no way you are from MD with that comment!!!'


We are from Maryland, and believe me the kids who play straight up are in the minority but are proud to not be "wimp-peats" as they like to call their peers who reclassified for lacrosse.

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Villanova Freshman Class: Take a look at the birthdates.

http://www.laxpower.com/laxnews/news.php?story=40739

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Latest Duke commit is a 2017 with a Bday of January 1996. No complaining here but that's just outright absurd. He will be 18 in January and my son hasn't turned 15 yet. You see nothing wrong with this Mr. Maryland dad?

That's laughable. I mean good for the kid going to Duke, but lots of kids get into Duke every year without getting left back 2/3 years. I hope he can keep up academically if he needed all those years to close the gap with his own peers.


Is he from TX, Canada, DC or LI?

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Yeah some of the out of state ny kids are a year older.

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Villanova Freshman Class: Take a look at the birthdates.

http://www.laxpower.com/laxnews/news.php?story=40739


They all look to be on the older side with quite a few entering as 19 year olds.

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Villanova Freshman Class: Take a look at the birthdates.

http://www.laxpower.com/laxnews/news.php?story=40739


All this does is lend credit to holding back your son. Especially if under sized to compete with those a year younger.

Villanova is on my 2019 sons wish list; maybe it is a serious consideration.

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The number of transfers in D1 suggests that early recruiting led kids to schools not best for them. Must be close to half a dozen kids leaving or transfering to Maryland alone. Never seen as many kids who played a lot as freshmen in college flipping to other programs. Used to be small number of kids disgruntled over PT or who got a reality check they would not see the field at a big time program. This is different...Looks like MLB at the trade deadline.

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The number of transfers in D1 suggests that early recruiting led kids to schools not best for them. Must be close to half a dozen kids leaving or transfering to Maryland alone. Never seen as many kids who played a lot as freshmen in college flipping to other programs. Used to be small number of kids disgruntled over PT or who got a reality check they would not see the field at a big time program. This is different...Looks like MLB at the trade deadline.


I am curious how is this possible without ramifications (losing a year of eligibility). Then I wonder, they aren't getting a full ride so why should a school hold you hostage if they aren't giving you a full ride?

What are the drawbacks? What are the rules? are the coaches just releasing the players?

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Coaches are giving releases.

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Think of life as if it is one hundred marbles. In my opinion, lacrosse is worth only about 2, maybe 3 marbles. Who the heck cares if your son is or isn`t going to college to play lacrosse. Set priorities in life, and I hope* that lacrosse is at the bottom of your list.

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Think of life as if it is one hundred marbles. In my opinion, lacrosse is worth only about 2, maybe 3 marbles. Who the heck cares if your son is or isn`t going to college to play lacrosse. Set priorities in life, and I hope* that lacrosse is at the bottom of your list.


Lacrosse is a vehicle you can use to get your son into a school he might not have made into on grades alone. Additionally, any of us that may have played a sport at the collegiate level knows what a special experience it is. I personally would love my son to be able to experience playing a sport at that level and getting the most of his college years, but by no means is it the end all be all of our lives. Its all about setting your son up to be successful in life after school. Lacrosse is just one way to help him on his way

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Which teams will have best opportunity to help my son get recruited? He has always played with town and is a good player. It is time to pick a travel team that will be good for recruiting if he makes the team.

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I don't think they are horribly old, several of the 1995s are December birthdays, actually I am surprised many are younger 18s.

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I don't think they are horribly old, several of the 1995s are December birthdays, actually I am surprised many are younger 18s.


In my district December 1 is the cutoff, the December kids are in the correct grade. The other 1995 kids are held back. The PA, MA and MD kids are much older than the NY kids.

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I don't think they are horribly old, several of the 1995s are December birthdays, actually I am surprised many are younger 18s.


In my district December 1 is the cutoff, the December kids are in the correct grade. The other 1995 kids are held back. The PA, MA and MD kids are much older than the NY kids.



So I just looked at a school that shows birth year and month and wow!! I'm new to this whole age thing and my eyes are wide open. UNC has almost no player age appropriate. My guess is the bigger the lax school, the older the kids are. And I am also noticing more and more commitments are being phrased "do a pg yr and you're mine". Interesting.

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I don't think they are horribly old, several of the 1995s are December birthdays, actually I am surprised many are younger 18s.


In my district December 1 is the cutoff, the December kids are in the correct grade. The other 1995 kids are held back. The PA, MA and MD kids are much older than the NY kids.


FYI, in PA the cutoff for school is August 31, and MANY pre-K programs suggest holding back kids (especially boys) with summer birthdays, not for sports reason but for academic reasons. So naturally, many PA kids will be "older" that is how our system works

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I don't think they are horribly old, several of the 1995s are December birthdays, actually I am surprised many are younger 18s.


In my district December 1 is the cutoff, the December kids are in the correct grade. The other 1995 kids are held back. The PA, MA and MD kids are much older than the NY kids.


And that's just Villanova. Not that Villanova is a bad lax school but let's face it, it's no ACC school. I bet kids are way older at the better lax schools.

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So I just looked at a school that shows birth year and month and wow!! I'm new to this whole age thing and my eyes are wide open. UNC has almost no player age appropriate. My guess is the bigger the lax school, the older the kids are. And I am also noticing more and more commitments are being phrased "do a pg yr and you're mine". Interesting. [/quote]

That is pretty dumb. Why not tell the kid to come to UNC and pay own way for a red shirt first year, then get the 4 year grant in-aid for lacrosse. Don't get the love affair with one more year of prep school lacrosse. Being in a program like UNC for a year does more and gets Breschi what he wanted which is a kid one year older.

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well maybe academically they are not up to standard admission criteria, I know one West Point lacrosse kid did not have the SAT scores nor grades, did the one year post grad due to the grades/scores.

NCAA qualifying grade/SAT are pretty pathetic, but if the kid does not have the qualifying grades/SAT scores it maybe suggested to do PG year to keep the commit.


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well maybe academically they are not up to standard admission criteria, I know one West Point lacrosse kid did not have the SAT scores nor grades, did the one year post grad due to the grades/scores.

NCAA qualifying grade/SAT are pretty pathetic, but if the kid does not have the qualifying grades/SAT scores it maybe suggested to do PG year to keep the commit.



West Point has admissions criteria that are very high. UNC and most other scholarship lacrosse schools do not. When a kid offers to do a PG year or it is suggested, that is just a different version of redshirting. A kid who is not making C average in high school is not being recruited by even the UNCs anyways.

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So it boils down to paying 50K-60K for a post grad year to play at UNC for 4 years for at most 25% off of tuition.

Lacrosse parents have lost their minds. Someone is making serious coin off of them.

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So it boils down to paying 50K-60K for a post grad year to play at UNC for 4 years for at most 25% off of tuition.

Lacrosse parents have lost their minds. Someone is making serious coin off of them.


No players get 25% off of tuition to play lax. It's more like 8% for the great players.

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well maybe academically they are not up to standard admission criteria, I know one West Point lacrosse kid did not have the SAT scores nor grades, did the one year post grad due to the grades/scores.

NCAA qualifying grade/SAT are pretty pathetic, but if the kid does not have the qualifying grades/SAT scores it maybe suggested to do PG year to keep the commit.



West Point has admissions criteria that are very high. UNC and most other scholarship lacrosse schools do not. When a kid offers to do a PG year or it is suggested, that is just a different version of redshirting. A kid who is not making C average in high school is not being recruited by even the UNCs anyways.


Not to mention all the military work the WP kids would have to do. They go from boys to men there pretty fast, I can tell you that!

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So it boils down to paying 50K-60K for a post grad year to play at UNC for 4 years for at most 25% off of tuition.

Lacrosse parents have lost their minds. Someone is making serious coin off of them.


No players get 25% off of tuition to play lax. It's more like 8% for the great players.


They are doing PG so they can get a spot at UNC. Without the lax wouldn't be getting in

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So I just looked at a school that shows birth year and month and wow!! I'm new to this whole age thing and my eyes are wide open. UNC has almost no player age appropriate. My guess is the bigger the lax school, the older the kids are. And I am also noticing more and more commitments are being phrased "do a pg yr and you're mine". Interesting.


That is pretty dumb. Why not tell the kid to come to UNC and pay own way for a red shirt first year, then get the 4 year grant in-aid for lacrosse. Don't get the love affair with one more year of prep school lacrosse. Being in a program like UNC for a year does more and gets Breschi what he wanted which is a kid one year older. [/quote]



Talk about dumb. The point of asking potential kid to do pg is so the d1 lax coach doesn't use up a precious spot on a kid that is too young compares to the rest of that class and team for that matter.

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So it boils down to paying 50K-60K for a post grad year to play at UNC for 4 years for at most 25% off of tuition.

Lacrosse parents have lost their minds. Someone is making serious coin off of them.


No players get 25% off of tuition to play lax. It's more like 8% for the great players.



You are misinformed. I know a kid that was offered a big chunk of athletic scholarship this year at a high level school. Maybe not all spots get $$ but the top 4 or 5 usually get min 25%

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So it boils down to paying 50K-60K for a post grad year to play at UNC for 4 years for at most 25% off of tuition.

Lacrosse parents have lost their minds. Someone is making serious coin off of them.


No players get 25% off of tuition to play lax. It's more like 8% for the great players.


They are doing PG so they can get a spot at UNC. Without the lax wouldn't be getting in


My son got 70% of total at a top 30 school. Just sayin. He was also offered a full ride at a less presidio us but also very good school that he turned down.

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well maybe academically they are not up to standard admission criteria, I know one West Point lacrosse kid did not have the SAT scores nor grades, did the one year post grad due to the grades/scores.

NCAA qualifying grade/SAT are pretty pathetic, but if the kid does not have the qualifying grades/SAT scores it maybe suggested to do PG year to keep the commit.



West Point has admissions criteria that are very high. UNC and most other scholarship lacrosse schools do not. When a kid offers to do a PG year or it is suggested, that is just a different version of redshirting. A kid who is not making C average in high school is not being recruited by even the UNCs anyways.


Not to mention all the military work the WP kids would have to do. They go from boys to men there pretty fast, I can tell you that!


WP is free plus an excellent start in life. Nothing against any other school mentioned but there is a payoff for the service academies if you son is willing and able. I think most have a prep school affiliated though, and they aren't 60K.

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well maybe academically they are not up to standard admission criteria, I know one West Point lacrosse kid did not have the SAT scores nor grades, did the one year post grad due to the grades/scores.

NCAA qualifying grade/SAT are pretty pathetic, but if the kid does not have the qualifying grades/SAT scores it maybe suggested to do PG year to keep the commit.



West Point has admissions criteria that are very high. UNC and most other scholarship lacrosse schools do not. When a kid offers to do a PG year or it is suggested, that is just a different version of redshirting. A kid who is not making C average in high school is not being recruited by even the UNCs anyways.


Not to mention all the military work the WP kids would have to do. They go from boys to men there pretty fast, I can tell you that!


WP is free plus an excellent start in life. Nothing against any other school mentioned but there is a payoff for the service academies if you son is willing and able. I think most have a prep school affiliated though, and they aren't 60K.


Well, I know all about west point, have family there. They have their own "pg" school on site, funded by taxpayers. The academy is very tough. Not the "college life" most boys have in mind. If you are the right type of kid, it's the best. Free education at a top institution plus you come out with 200g in bank and a job . Not too shabby. Campus beautiful too!

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well maybe academically they are not up to standard admission criteria, I know one West Point lacrosse kid did not have the SAT scores nor grades, did the one year post grad due to the grades/scores.

NCAA qualifying grade/SAT are pretty pathetic, but if the kid does not have the qualifying grades/SAT scores it maybe suggested to do PG year to keep the commit.



West Point has admissions criteria that are very high. UNC and most other scholarship lacrosse schools do not. When a kid offers to do a PG year or it is suggested, that is just a different version of redshirting. A kid who is not making C average in high school is not being recruited by even the UNCs anyways.


Not to mention all the military work the WP kids would have to do. They go from boys to men there pretty fast, I can tell you that!


WP is free plus an excellent start in life. Nothing against any other school mentioned but there is a payoff for the service academies if you son is willing and able. I think most have a prep school affiliated though, and they aren't 60K.


Many service academy athletes do a year at the Prep School - NAPS (Naval Academy Prep) or USMAPS (West Point Prep) It's free and it gets them acclimated to what they can expect as a midshipman or a cadet. It also prepares them academically if they might need some help in that area. Helps as an athlete too.

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So it boils down to paying 50K-60K for a post grad year to play at UNC for 4 years for at most 25% off of tuition.

Lacrosse parents have lost their minds. Someone is making serious coin off of them.


No players get 25% off of tuition to play lax. It's more like 8% for the great players.


They are doing PG so they can get a spot at UNC. Without the lax wouldn't be getting in


My son got 70% of total at a top 30 school. Just sayin. He was also offered a full ride at a less presidio us but also very good school that he turned down.


Total BS. A full ride? Lol! Maybe Lyle Thompson but that's about it in division 1.

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I'm thinking the only way a lacrosse player is getting a full ride is if it is need-based. I'm not sure how you develop a kid to be D1 material without $$$, if you don't make a decent amount the $5-10K per year it takes for team fees, travel and other athletic coaching would be rough. It would be a very special kid who could progress playing only the 15-18 HS games per season compared to the kid who plays an additional 25-35+ tourney games playing summer club and possibly more if they play fall ball.

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Some schools have good sized endowments. Ivy, Patriot, Notre Dame, UVa, etc. Except for Ivy they are scholarship schools, and it is no big secret that if you are need based the financial aid is a better money solution to make it work. I am sure the coaches know what they are doing. Some may go feast or famine and offer four kids a year 70%+. Some like the ACC schools send the message that everyone is a top recruit and gets some money, so it is smaller % for each spot. And at Ivy schools it is just an admissions preference. The poster above made a good point that the only free rides for all are the service academies and its impressive the prep school year is free if needed. I think the initial question was why would a UNC 2017 who is told to be a 2018 to get a spot going to some $50K a year boarding school? Go to UNC and pay own way to have a redshirt year in the program.

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So it boils down to paying 50K-60K for a post grad year to play at UNC for 4 years for at most 25% off of tuition.

Lacrosse parents have lost their minds. Someone is making serious coin off of them.


No players get 25% off of tuition to play lax. It's more like 8% for the great players.




They are doing PG so they can get a spot at UNC. Without the lax wouldn't be getting in


My son got 70% of total at a top 30 school. Just sayin. He was also offered a full ride at a less presidio us but also very good school that he turned down.

No way your son got 70% off tuition ATHLETICALLY!! It doesn't happen in lacrosse not even for the Rabils of the world. The best players get less than 10% and the rest get pennies.

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Do you think maybe parents are exaggerating the % they repeat was offered to their son? A lot of kids get a proud parent brag scholarship as one assistant coach said. $1000 a year to say you are a scholarship athlete is worth a million to the parents and the kids. Some kids get a big % offer but most can't get much. 12.6 is all they have to give out.

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Because maybe they can't get in without coaches spot.

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List of top colleges with price tags if out of state:

http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/#page:1_sort:0_direction:asc_search:_filter:All%20states

My reactions as a parent of a 2017. Lots of lacrosse schools in the top 100. And they are really expensive. If you are from the state of NC or VA and go to those schools, great. If you are getting a 20% scholarship from out of state or from JHU or another private college, that hardly solves a working class family's problems paying for college. Some lacrosse schools are low regarded. High Point at #558, some like UMass are buried in the 200s. A degree even free from one of those not worth a lot in the real world. If my son went to an Ivy I'd pray for some love from those bazillion dollar endowments at the financial aid office.

Son, how about USNA or West Point? Love the cost: N/A !!!!!!!

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So it boils down to paying 50K-60K for a post grad year to play at UNC for 4 years for at most 25% off of tuition.

Lacrosse parents have lost their minds. Someone is making serious coin off of them.


No players get 25% off of tuition to play lax. It's more like 8% for the great players.




They are doing PG so they can get a spot at UNC. Without the lax wouldn't be getting in


My son got 70% of total at a top 30 school. Just sayin. He was also offered a full ride at a less presidio us but also very good school that he turned down.

No way your son got 70% off tuition ATHLETICALLY!! It doesn't happen in lacrosse not even for the Rabils of the world. The best players get less than 10% and the rest get pennies.


It happened! He was an early commit in a specialist position and known as one of the best in the country. All athletic money which is what we wanted because although he is a decent student, he probably would not qualify for academic money.

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There are definitely still a lot of kids that get big offers. Then there are some very smart, or some financially compromised individuals that get money through other means. There might be 25-30 kids in a team getting an athletic scholarship at a time. Divide that by the 12 scholarships and you can see the percentages can and are higher than you guys are thinking. (25%-50%) Then there are some offered more. You don't have to be Lyle Thompson!

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No way your son got 70% off tuition ATHLETICALLY!! It doesn't happen in lacrosse not even for the Rabils of the world. The best players get less than 10% and the rest get pennies. [/quote]

It happened! He was an early commit in a specialist position and known as one of the best in the country. All athletic money which is what we wanted because although he is a decent student, he probably would not qualify for academic money. [/quote]

The only top 30 school on that list that has any known lacrosse commits is Duke and the only specialist position filled in is goalie. Nice way to intentionally brag not anonymously. Congratulations, now can we all move on?

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My son got 70% of total at a top 30 school. Just sayin. He was also offered a full ride at a less presidio us but also very good school that he turned down.

No way your son got 70% off tuition ATHLETICALLY!! It doesn't happen in lacrosse not even for the Rabils of the world. The best players get less than 10% and the rest get pennies. [/quote]

It happened! He was an early commit in a specialist position and known as one of the best in the country. All athletic money which is what we wanted because although he is a decent student, he probably would not qualify for academic money. [/quote]

The only top 30 school on that list that has any known lacrosse commits is Duke and the only specialist position filled in is goalie. Nice way to intentionally brag not anonymously. Congratulations, now can we all move on? [/quote]

You can believe what you want, but it's true. Would love to tell you who he is but it's confidential. I'm just sharing that these offers do exist

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Yeah they exist. Nicky G got a full ride at UNC and at Cuse. You don't need to tell us who it is, you already did chump. Pretty low to come on this board and leak about goalie boy and then back off saying confidential once you got made. Now Go find a Maryland board to brag about it and feel better about yourself.

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List of top colleges with price tags if out of state:

http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/#page:1_sort:0_direction:asc_search:_filter:All%20states

My reactions as a parent of a 2017. Lots of lacrosse schools in the top 100. And they are really expensive. If you are from the state of NC or VA and go to those schools, great. If you are getting a 20% scholarship from out of state or from JHU or another private college, that hardly solves a working class family's problems paying for college. Some lacrosse schools are low regarded. High Point at #558, some like UMass are buried in the 200s. A degree even free from one of those not worth a lot in the real world. If my son went to an Ivy I'd pray for some love from those bazillion dollar endowments at the financial aid office.

Son, how about USNA or West Point? Love the cost: N/A !!!!!!!


If you don't have a lot of money or have other kids in college the Ivys are actually very affordable. I have a nephew who went to Princeton and paid about 8-10K per year, his family is not rich but they make over 6 figures. He was not playing sports, of course his SATs were near perfect and he had over a 4.0.

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List of top colleges with price tags if out of state:

http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/#page:1_sort:0_direction:asc_search:_filter:All%20states

My reactions as a parent of a 2017. Lots of lacrosse schools in the top 100. And they are really expensive. If you are from the state of NC or VA and go to those schools, great. If you are getting a 20% scholarship from out of state or from JHU or another private college, that hardly solves a working class family's problems paying for college. Some lacrosse schools are low regarded. High Point at #558, some like UMass are buried in the 200s. A degree even free from one of those not worth a lot in the real world. If my son went to an Ivy I'd pray for some love from those bazillion dollar endowments at the financial aid office.

Just an observation here: Your on here mouthing off about different College's rankings. Placing presumed values on degrees from different schools and the like. I ask you? What school did you go to? You haven't even saved the money to fund your son's education, nor can you find the assets to pay for it now. You're on here praying that an Ivy will "GIVE" your son money. Sounds like a solid plan.


Son, how about USNA or West Point? Love the cost: N/A !!!!!!!

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Yeah they exist. Nicky G got a full ride at UNC and at Cuse. You don't need to tell us who it is, you already did chump. Pretty low to come on this board and leak about goalie boy and then back off saying confidential once you got made. Now Go find a Maryland board to brag about it and feel better about yourself.


Nicky G isn't getting close to full at Cuse

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Why so angry! You people are nuts!

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There are definitely still a lot of kids that get big offers. Then there are some very smart, or some financially compromised individuals that get money through other means. There might be 25-30 kids in a team getting an athletic scholarship at a time. Divide that by the 12 scholarships and you can see the percentages can and are higher than you guys are thinking. (25%-50%) Then there are some offered more. You don't have to be Lyle Thompson!


D1 teams have 40-45 players on the roster and they all split the 12.6 scholarships.

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Seems like he was adding his personal insight and expertise to a topic. I would say Congratulations are more in order.

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The list of colleges showed a lot of high ranking ones that have D1 lacrosse. If a kid gets a full ride for lacrosse to one of them that is great. If you are not the special kid who gets 70% or more scholarship and left to pay $50K a year after a lacrosse scholarship that doesn't sound like a great plan to spend $7K a year flying my kid to the East Coast for tournaments and events. If my kid had a shot at an Ivy and our middle class family had some prayer for a lot of financial aid that sounds like a better plan than the one I got.

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Do you think maybe parents are exaggerating the % they repeat was offered to their son? A lot of kids get a proud parent brag scholarship as one assistant coach said. $1000 a year to say you are a scholarship athlete is worth a million to the parents and the kids. Some kids get a big % offer but most can't get much. 12.6 is all they have to give out.
12.6 is if the program is fully funded. The average is about 20-25%. So some may get more, some less or none. I am trying to find the report I saw a few months ago that I think was put out by the NCAA. It showed the average athletic grant per program. If I remember correctly Marist and Jacksonville were the lowest at D-1. A little above $4,000. Most averaged between the 10,000-12,000 range. This was for lacrosse specifically but they had a report for each sport.

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Seems like he was adding his personal insight and expertise to a topic. I would say Congratulations are more in order.


It sounded fair to me to rip this idiot.

Let's move onto something useful. We are a California family, and our son is an Ivy recruit. We were encouraged to fill in our details on this link:
http://www.princeton.edu/admission/financialaid/estimator/

Your Estimated Princeton Aid Award

Based on the answers you provided on the Family Information Worksheet, we can give the following preliminary information about your financial aid eligibility at Princeton:

I. Princeton's Estimated Costs for 2014-2015

Tuition $41,820
Room 7,570
Board 6,050
Books and Personal Expenses 3,525
Travel 1,100
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Total Estimated Student Budget $60,065

II. Your Estimated Family Contribution

Parents' Contribution $6,100
Student's Expected Summer Savings 1,600
Student's Asset Contribution 30
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Total Estimated Family Contribution $7,730

III. Your Estimated Aid Package is $52,335

Grant Funds $49,435
Student Loans 0
Campus Job 2,900
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Total Estimated Aid $52,335

$50K is a lot more than I would have hoped for given we are middle class.

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Our Son was lucky enough to verbal to a strong Division 1 school a couple of months ago. Only three people know the offer. Myself, Wife ,and HS Coach. I get asked all the time, nobody needs to know.

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The % changes every year, thats the key here. They get you in at 20% and the junior and senior year is 40 to 50%

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The % changes every year, thats the key here. They get you in at 20% and the junior and senior year is 40 to 50%


That depends on the school. My son's scholarship won't go down, but could go up based on his performance.

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The % changes every year, thats the key here. They get you in at 20% and the junior and senior year is 40 to 50%


That depends on the school. My son's scholarship won't go down, but could go up based on his performance.


Same here. My son is a 2017 commit.

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Same here. My son is a 2017 commit.

Most programs have kids quit or transfer so there is always money found that way.

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Seems like he was adding his personal insight and expertise to a topic. I would say Congratulations are more in order.


It sounded fair to me to rip this idiot.

Let's move onto something useful. We are a California family, and our son is an Ivy recruit. We were encouraged to fill in our details on this link:
http://www.princeton.edu/admission/financialaid/estimator/

Your Estimated Princeton Aid Award

Based on the answers you provided on the Family Information Worksheet, we can give the following preliminary information about your financial aid eligibility at Princeton:

I. Princeton's Estimated Costs for 2014-2015

Tuition $41,820
Room 7,570
Board 6,050
Books and Personal Expenses 3,525
Travel 1,100
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Total Estimated Student Budget $60,065

II. Your Estimated Family Contribution

Parents' Contribution $6,100
Student's Expected Summer Savings 1,600
Student's Asset Contribution 30
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Total Estimated Family Contribution $7,730

III. Your Estimated Aid Package is $52,335

Grant Funds $49,435
Student Loans 0
Campus Job 2,900
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Total Estimated Aid $52,335

$50K is a lot more than I would have hoped for given we are middle class.


So much for us idiots that went to mediocre colleges, worked our asses off, made big money and saved it for our kids college educations. This country is just [lacrosse] backwards. There is no reason you should be handed that kind of money, go work! What an absolute disgrace, welfare for education... Disgusting.

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Seems like he was adding his personal insight and expertise to a topic. I would say Congratulations are more in order.


It sounded fair to me to rip this idiot.

Let's move onto something useful. We are a California family, and our son is an Ivy recruit. We were encouraged to fill in our details on this link:
http://www.princeton.edu/admission/financialaid/estimator/

Your Estimated Princeton Aid Award

Based on the answers you provided on the Family Information Worksheet, we can give the following preliminary information about your financial aid eligibility at Princeton:

I. Princeton's Estimated Costs for 2014-2015

Tuition $41,820
Room 7,570
Board 6,050
Books and Personal Expenses 3,525
Travel 1,100
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Total Estimated Student Budget $60,065

II. Your Estimated Family Contribution

Parents' Contribution $6,100
Student's Expected Summer Savings 1,600
Student's Asset Contribution 30
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Total Estimated Family Contribution $7,730

III. Your Estimated Aid Package is $52,335

Grant Funds $49,435
Student Loans 0
Campus Job 2,900
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Total Estimated Aid $52,335

$50K is a lot more than I would have hoped for given we are middle class.


So much for us idiots that went to mediocre colleges, worked our asses off, made big money and saved it for our kids college educations. This country is just [lacrosse] backwards. There is no reason you should be handed that kind of money, go work! What an absolute disgrace, welfare for education... Disgusting.
That money comes from the endowment. Princeton has one of the biggest in the country. The alumni give back to the school. What is disgusting is that most schools raise tuition every year because they offer more money in federally subsidized loans as part of their financial aid package. If the kid defaults, the loans are backed by the federal government. The school already got paid for the tuition. Now the taxpayer has to pay for it. Just add it to the federal debt. Ok back to lacrosse.

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[quote=Anonymous]Seems like he was adding his personal insight and expertise to a topic. I would say Congratulations are more in order.


It sounded fair to me to rip this idiot.

Let's move onto something useful. We are a California family, and our son is an Ivy recruit. We were encouraged to fill in our details on this link:
http://www.princeton.edu/admission/financialaid/estimator/

Your Estimated Princeton Aid Award

Based on the answers you provided on the Family Information Worksheet, we can give the following preliminary information about your financial aid eligibility at Princeton:

I. Princeton's Estimated Costs for 2014-2015

Tuition $41,820
Room 7,570
Board 6,050
Books and Personal Expenses 3,525
Travel 1,100
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Total Estimated Student Budget $60,065

II. Your Estimated Family Contribution

Parents' Contribution $6,100
Student's Expected Summer Savings 1,600
Student's Asset Contribution 30
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Total Estimated Family Contribution $7,730

III. Your Estimated Aid Package is $52,335

Grant Funds $49,435
Student Loans 0
Campus Job 2,900
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Total Estimated Aid $52,335

$50K is a lot more than I would have hoped for given we are middle class.


So much for us idiots that went to mediocre colleges, worked our asses off, made big money and saved it for our kids college educations. This country is just [lacrosse] backwards. There is no reason you should be handed that kind of money, go work! What an absolute disgrace, welfare for education... Disgusting.
That money comes from the endowment. Princeton has one of the biggest in the country. The alumni give back to the school. What is disgusting is that most schools raise tuition every year because they offer more money in federally subsidized loans as part of their financial aid package. If the kid defaults, the loans are backed by the federal government. The school already got paid for the tuition. Now the taxpayer has to pay for it. Just add it to the federal debt. Ok back to lacrosse. [/quote

That endowment is allowed to grow tax free, hence the rest of us are helping to fund the schools "good deeds". They also pay zero taxes on every nickel they take in. Make no mistake, it is at the tax payers expense. As well as at the expense of families who are hard working and financially responsible. They just happen to be one in the same.

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So much for us idiots that went to mediocre colleges, worked our asses off, made big money and saved it for our kids college educations. This countrs backwards. There is no reason you should be handed that kind of money, go work! What an absolute disgrace, welfare for education... Disgusting. [/quote]

Did you walk to school barefoot through the snow too? I messed around with this thing and put in a hypothetical $300K income and $150K in other assets to see what output was. It came back with over $15K in aid. The cut for richest 1% in the US is about $200K a year.

It looks like this school has indexed tuition. You'd need a pretty high income to not get some discount. Consider it a bonus if your kid goes to this school instead of some other private college...Hofstra ain't got one of these calculators.

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Taxpayers are affected by some college's endowment? Ummm, no. The cash I donate to my school is deductable like any other donation. College endowments do pay capital gains on investment income. These schools are basically private clubs that can do what they want with the money fed in by alums.

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So much for us idiots that went to mediocre colleges, worked our asses off, made big money and saved it for our kids college educations. This countrs backwards. There is no reason you should be handed that kind of money, go work! What an absolute disgrace, welfare for education... Disgusting.


Did you walk to school barefoot through the snow too? I messed around with this thing and put in a hypothetical $300K income and $150K in other assets to see what output was. It came back with over $15K in aid. The cut for richest 1% in the US is about $200K a year.

It looks like this school has indexed tuition. You'd need a pretty high income to not get some discount. Consider it a bonus if your kid goes to this school instead of some other private college...Hofstra ain't got one of these calculators. [/quote]

No moron, I didn't walk barefoot through snow. However, my summers were filled with 80-100 hour work weeks. From HS through college. I also had blue collar parents who knew the value of education and paid my tuition. I paid for everything else. We didn't need to rely on government handouts. Sorry, but your kids educational aspirations shouldn't come at mine or my families expense. I know, these are crazy notions right? Here's an idea, how about one price for everyone? Then the price would be $20k a year instead of $60k for those that can "afford" it and free for the mutt that didn't save a nickel for his kids education. You know, because those "rich" folks don't "need" that $240,000. Why not price cars, houses and everything else based on YOUR ability to pay??? You want a new Jeep, for you it's full price. I have no money, so its free for me. Sounds reasonable right?

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So much for us idiots that went to mediocre colleges, worked our asses off, made big money and saved it for our kids college educations. This countrs backwards. There is no reason you should be handed that kind of money, go work! What an absolute disgrace, welfare for education... Disgusting.


Did you walk to school barefoot through the snow too? I messed around with this thing and put in a hypothetical $300K income and $150K in other assets to see what output was. It came back with over $15K in aid. The cut for richest 1% in the US is about $200K a year.

It looks like this school has indexed tuition. You'd need a pretty high income to not get some discount. Consider it a bonus if your kid goes to this school instead of some other private college...Hofstra ain't got one of these calculators.


No moron, I didn't walk barefoot through snow. However, my summers were filled with 80-100 hour work weeks. From HS through college. I also had blue collar parents who knew the value of education and paid my tuition. I paid for everything else. We didn't need to rely on government handouts. Sorry, but your kids educational aspirations shouldn't come at mine or my families expense. I know, these are crazy notions right? Here's an idea, how about one price for everyone? Then the price would be $20k a year instead of $60k for those that can "afford" it and free for the mutt that didn't save a nickel for his kids education. You know, because those "rich" folks don't "need" that $240,000. Why not price cars, houses and everything else based on YOUR ability to pay??? You want a new Jeep, for you it's full price. I have no money, so its free for me. Sounds reasonable right? [/quote]

Great post! What goes on is disgusting!

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I also worked hard and can pay the tuition and as such there is no financial aid or discount when it comes to college--(that said, my oldest did receive both lax money and academic money for about half). However, rather than feel sorry for myself and begrudge some kid the opportunity to go to school with the help of financial aid, I feel blessed and lucky to be in the position I am in.

So for the jackwagon who is bitching about the fact that some kids are getting for free what he has to pay for, grow up. If you are as successful as you claim to be, then you know that half of life is luck. Put yourself in the best position to succeed and then work hard and hope for the best.

I know plenty of geniuses that lost it all when Bear, and Lehman tanked, through no fault of their own. I know plenty of very well paid senior managers that are where they are because a chance they took paid off.

So stop patting yourself on the back and thank god you have the ability to pay out of pocket and give your kid the best possible chance to put him/her in a position to also be successful/lucky...

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So much for us idiots that went to mediocre colleges, worked our asses off, made big money and saved it for our kids college educations. This countrs backwards. There is no reason you should be handed that kind of money, go work! What an absolute disgrace, welfare for education... Disgusting.


Did you walk to school barefoot through the snow too? I messed around with this thing and put in a hypothetical $300K income and $150K in other assets to see what output was. It came back with over $15K in aid. The cut for richest 1% in the US is about $200K a year.

It looks like this school has indexed tuition. You'd need a pretty high income to not get some discount. Consider it a bonus if your kid goes to this school instead of some other private college...Hofstra ain't got one of these calculators.


No moron, I didn't walk barefoot through snow. However, my summers were filled with 80-100 hour work weeks. From HS through college. I also had blue collar parents who knew the value of education and paid my tuition. I paid for everything else. We didn't need to rely on government handouts. Sorry, but your kids educational aspirations shouldn't come at mine or my families expense. I know, these are crazy notions right? Here's an idea, how about one price for everyone? Then the price would be $20k a year instead of $60k for those that can "afford" it and free for the mutt that didn't save a nickel for his kids education. You know, because those "rich" folks don't "need" that $240,000. Why not price cars, houses and everything else based on YOUR ability to pay??? You want a new Jeep, for you it's full price. I have no money, so its free for me. Sounds reasonable right?


Great post! What goes on is disgusting! [/quote]

I think it is great that schools like Princeton have alumni that want to help send the best of the best to school. To be the best means you DO WORK YOUR [lacrosse] OFF and there is a reward at the end. Just because you worked hard and it paid off, does not mean it does for everyone. What about the blue collar worker that works 80 hours a week, and yet cannot afford to pay for three kids to go to college such as Princeton? Does this guy not work hard? Yet, if his kid works hard, like he does, there is a reward- endowments, scholarships aid, to help his three kids get into the best school they can make. My son wants to go to Princeton. I told him no- we cannot afford a school as such. Then we did learn about the various ways Princeton and some other big name schools help out the students, far more so than other schools. My son is not yet in HS- yet his aspirations are HIGH and he works round the clock on his academics, and travel sports teams. I would love to see my son land in one of these type of schools where they are rewarded for their hard work to get there. And yes, like a previous poster said, half of it may luck or connections in being successful. Good luck to you and your son.

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2017 Outlaw Commit.

Congrats to Outlaws 2017 Defenseman Andrew McKenna for his commitment to Navy! McKenna is a rising soph at Ward Melville.


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Lacrosse is 90% mental, the other half is physical.

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2017 Outlaw Commit.

Congrats to Outlaws 2017 Defenseman Andrew McKenna for his commitment to Navy! McKenna is a rising soph at Ward Melville.

Looks like a Outlaw sales pitch. This kid played varsity at Ward Melville as a freshman, pretty impressive. Not sure how much the
outlaw coach had to do with him getting recruited. Good luck little mac! Navy is a great school/career! looking forward to watching you play the next few years.

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2017 Outlaw Commit.

Congrats to Outlaws 2017 Defenseman Andrew McKenna for his commitment to Navy! McKenna is a rising soph at Ward Melville.

Looks like a Outlaw sales pitch. This kid played varsity at Ward Melville as a freshman, pretty impressive. Not sure how much the
outlaw coach had to do with him getting recruited. Good luck little mac! Navy is a great school/career! looking forward to watching you play the next few years.


Talk about sales pitch, you sound like one of the 3v Stooges.

Who said anything about Outlaws Coach. The post said congrats to the kid.
By the way, the fact that a 9th grader who played varsity at WM felt the need to play summer with an "Outside Club Team" speaks volumes. Actions speak louder than words. Stronger team, more competitive tournaments and more exposure to college coaches were probably some of the reasons for playing for the Outlaws.

Are you so insecure that you had to make this about WM? Just be happy for the kid.


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navy is impressive, [lacrosse] with lacrosse this boy is going to defend the country.

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So much for us idiots that went to mediocre colleges, worked our asses off, made big money and saved it for our kids college educations. This countrs backwards. There is no reason you should be handed that kind of money, go work! What an absolute disgrace, welfare for education... Disgusting.


Did you walk to school barefoot through the snow too? I messed around with this thing and put in a hypothetical $300K income and $150K in other assets to see what output was. It came back with over $15K in aid. The cut for richest 1% in the US is about $200K a year.

It looks like this school has indexed tuition. You'd need a pretty high income to not get some discount. Consider it a bonus if your kid goes to this school instead of some other private college...Hofstra ain't got one of these calculators.


No moron, I didn't walk barefoot through snow. However, my summers were filled with 80-100 hour work weeks. From HS through college. I also had blue collar parents who knew the value of education and paid my tuition. I paid for everything else. We didn't need to rely on government handouts. Sorry, but your kids educational aspirations shouldn't come at mine or my families expense. I know, these are crazy notions right? Here's an idea, how about one price for everyone? Then the price would be $20k a year instead of $60k for those that can "afford" it and free for the mutt that didn't save a nickel for his kids education. You know, because those "rich" folks don't "need" that $240,000. Why not price cars, houses and everything else based on YOUR ability to pay??? You want a new Jeep, for you it's full price. I have no money, so its free for me. Sounds reasonable right?


Great post! What goes on is disgusting!


I think it is great that schools like Princeton have alumni that want to help send the best of the best to school. To be the best means you DO WORK YOUR [lacrosse] OFF and there is a reward at the end. Just because you worked hard and it paid off, does not mean it does for everyone. What about the blue collar worker that works 80 hours a week, and yet cannot afford to pay for three kids to go to college such as Princeton? Does this guy not work hard? Yet, if his kid works hard, like he does, there is a reward- endowments, scholarships aid, to help his three kids get into the best school they can make. My son wants to go to Princeton. I told him no- we cannot afford a school as such. Then we did learn about the various ways Princeton and some other big name schools help out the students, far more so than other schools. My son is not yet in HS- yet his aspirations are HIGH and he works round the clock on his academics, and travel sports teams. I would love to see my son land in one of these type of schools where they are rewarded for their hard work to get there. And yes, like a previous poster said, half of it may luck or connections in being successful. Good luck to you and your son. [/quote]

Your so dumb, its mind numbing. If there weren't different prices for different people the price would be about $15-20k a year. Those paying full price would not have to subsidize those going for free... Get it now?

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Didn't the Outlaw 2017 Team lose to the Team 91 Extreme 2018 this year at JDF???

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Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.

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Without the Gladiator group that came over this Team would have be average. They beat TB once, and then lost to them two weeks later. Who else did they beat?

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I also worked hard and can pay the tuition and as such there is no financial aid or discount when it comes to college--(that said, my oldest did receive both lax money and academic money for about half). However, rather than feel sorry for myself and begrudge some kid the opportunity to go to school with the help of financial aid, I feel blessed and lucky to be in the position I am in.

So for the jackwagon who is bitching about the fact that some kids are getting for free what he has to pay for, grow up. If you are as successful as you claim to be, then you know that half of life is luck. Put yourself in the best position to succeed and then work hard and hope for the best.

I know plenty of geniuses that lost it all when Bear, and Lehman tanked, through no fault of their own. I know plenty of very well paid senior managers that are where they are because a chance they took paid off.

So stop patting yourself on the back and thank god you have the ability to pay out of pocket and give your kid the best possible chance to put him/her in a position to also be successful/lucky...


This country is so upside down, you actually feel guilty for your own success! Well guess what? I don't. I also don't feel I owe anyone anything either. The government takes way more than a 4 year private degree from me every year in taxes, so I'm doing more than my part to help out those who need it. I also donate nearly a half years tuition to my town and local school district for the privilege of putting the key in my front door. My father fought in WWII for this country, for the opportunities and freedoms it used to afford. Hard work and success were things that were held in high regard. They weren't punished by progressive taxation. If you couldn't afford college, you worked and went to night school. You didn't look for a handout. The reason these schools cost $60k a year is because of the third party pay system set up by the government. So please, save your holier than thou drivel for someone who gives a sh=t. Now go see if you can find a way to vote again for this Ivy League Educated ZERO running this once great country.

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So much for us idiots that went to mediocre colleges, worked our asses off, made big money and saved it for our kids college educations. This countrs backwards. There is no reason you should be handed that kind of money, go work! What an absolute disgrace, welfare for education... Disgusting.


Did you walk to school barefoot through the snow too? I messed around with this thing and put in a hypothetical $300K income and $150K in other assets to see what output was. It came back with over $15K in aid. The cut for richest 1% in the US is about $200K a year.

It looks like this school has indexed tuition. You'd need a pretty high income to not get some discount. Consider it a bonus if your kid goes to this school instead of some other private college...Hofstra ain't got one of these calculators.


No moron, I didn't walk barefoot through snow. However, my summers were filled with 80-100 hour work weeks. From HS through college. I also had blue collar parents who knew the value of education and paid my tuition. I paid for everything else. We didn't need to rely on government handouts. Sorry, but your kids educational aspirations shouldn't come at mine or my families expense. I know, these are crazy notions right? Here's an idea, how about one price for everyone? Then the price would be $20k a year instead of $60k for those that can "afford" it and free for the mutt that didn't save a nickel for his kids education. You know, because those "rich" folks don't "need" that $240,000. Why not price cars, houses and everything else based on YOUR ability to pay??? You want a new Jeep, for you it's full price. I have no money, so its free for me. Sounds reasonable right?


Great post! What goes on is disgusting!


I think it is great that schools like Princeton have alumni that want to help send the best of the best to school. To be the best means you DO WORK YOUR [lacrosse] OFF and there is a reward at the end. Just because you worked hard and it paid off, does not mean it does for everyone. What about the blue collar worker that works 80 hours a week, and yet cannot afford to pay for three kids to go to college such as Princeton? Does this guy not work hard? Yet, if his kid works hard, like he does, there is a reward- endowments, scholarships aid, to help his three kids get into the best school they can make. My son wants to go to Princeton. I told him no- we cannot afford a school as such. Then we did learn about the various ways Princeton and some other big name schools help out the students, far more so than other schools. My son is not yet in HS- yet his aspirations are HIGH and he works round the clock on his academics, and travel sports teams. I would love to see my son land in one of these type of schools where they are rewarded for their hard work to get there. And yes, like a previous poster said, half of it may luck or connections in being successful. Good luck to you and your son.


Your so dumb, its mind numbing. If there weren't different prices for different people the price would be about $15-20k a year. Those paying full price would not have to subsidize those going for free... Get it now? [/quote]

a blue collar family earning 60-70k could afford $20/k tuition. so there would always have to be financial assistance unless only catering to the wealthy. Schools like Princeton have huge endowments paid for by the generosity of their alumni many of whom benefited from such assistance when they were in school. to refer to this is disgusting or imply the taxpayers subsidize is ignorant. btw i'm a different poster than one you called dumb

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[quote=Anonymous]So much for us idiots that went to mediocre colleges, worked our asses off, made big money and saved it for our kids college educations. This countrs backwards. There is no reason you should be handed that kind of money, go work! What an absolute disgrace, welfare for education... Disgusting.


Did you walk to school barefoot through the snow too? I messed around with this thing and put in a hypothetical $300K income and $150K in other assets to see what output was. It came back with over $15K in aid. The cut for richest 1% in the US is about $200K a year.

It looks like this school has indexed tuition. You'd need a pretty high income to not get some discount. Consider it a bonus if your kid goes to this school instead of some other private college...Hofstra ain't got one of these calculators.


No moron, I didn't walk barefoot through snow. However, my summers were filled with 80-100 hour work weeks. From HS through college. I also had blue collar parents who knew the value of education and paid my tuition. I paid for everything else. We didn't need to rely on government handouts. Sorry, but your kids educational aspirations shouldn't come at mine or my families expense. I know, these are crazy notions right? Here's an idea, how about one price for everyone? Then the price would be $20k a year instead of $60k for those that can "afford" it and free for the mutt that didn't save a nickel for his kids education. You know, because those "rich" folks don't "need" that $240,000. Why not price cars, houses and everything else based on YOUR ability to pay??? You want a new I think it is great that schools like Princeton have alumni that want to help send the best of the best to school. To be the best means you DO WORK YOUR [lacrosse] OFF and there is a reward at the end. Just because you worked hard and it paid off, does not mean it does for everyone. What about the blue collar worker that works 80 hours a week, and yet cannot afford to pay for three kids to go to college such as Princeton? Does this guy not work hard? Yet, if his kid works hard, like he does, there is a reward- endowments, scholarships aid, to help his three kids get into the best school they can make. My son wants to go to Princeton. I told him no- we cannot afford a school as such. Then we did learn about the various ways Princeton and some other big name schools help out the students, far more so than other schools. My son is not yet in HS- yet his aspirations are HIGH and he works round the clock on his academics, and travel sports teams. I would love to see my son land in one of these type of schools where they are rewarded for their hard work to get there. And yes, like a previous poster said, half of it may luck or connections in being successful. Good luck to you and your son.


Your so dumb, its mind numbing. If there weren't different prices for different people the price would be about $15-20k a year. Those paying full price would not have to subsidize those going for free... Get it now?


You're an idiot. Who cares if Princeton has a price tag of $60,000 or even $200,000 a year and indexes it down by income. Tuition indexing is fairly common among private colleges and at some prep schools, and what happens is people pay what the computer says they can afford. Sons or daughters of school teachers or mid-level white collar workers can be perfect kids at what they do and deserve their shot. What is wrong with that? I think it is admirable that some colleges say we want the best and the brightest students and future leaders and will grant kids who qualify. That sounds like a strategy to get the best and brightest like President Obama or President Clinton from where they came, not a subsidy. A subsidy is admissions spots and need based grants going to kids who are not necessarily the best or brightest, like lacrosse players. Parents like you should be grateful that Ivy schools consider recruited athletes to be worth exceptions.

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This country is so upside down, you actually feel guilty for your own success! Well guess what? I don't. I also don't feel I owe anyone anything either. The government takes way more than a 4 year private degree from me every year in taxes, so I'm doing more than my part to help out those who need it. I also donate nearly a half years tuition to my town and local school district for the privilege of putting the key in my front door. My father fought in WWII for this country, for the opportunities and freedoms it used to afford. Hard work and success were things that were held in high regard. They weren't punished by progressive taxation. If you couldn't afford college, you worked and went to night school. You didn't look for a handout. The reason these schools cost $60k a year is because of the third party pay system set up by the government. So please, save your holier than thou drivel for someone who gives a sh=t. Now go see if you can find a way to vote again for this Ivy League Educated ZERO running this once great country. [/quote]

We all pay Federal, local and property taxes and more if we are lucky to make more, that is nothing special. Looking for a handout, you mean like looking for a lacrosse grant in aid to help pay for your kid's college? That sounds like a handout to some kids who get perfect grades and scores who don't have a coach schilling them in and giving athletic money which is a hand out. What you call a pity case is pretty pathetic. If some private colleges can afford to hand out lots of academic aid and scholarships that seems like a private institution making a private decision that you should not care less about.

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There are plenty of top players left.

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Without the Gladiator group that came over this Team would have be average. They beat TB once, and then lost to them two weeks later. Who else did they beat?


True Blue, NXT (who beat 91, Express), beat fl$, didnt play 91/Express. Beat Team Carolina, BBL, Laxachusetts Black, LB3 Atl, Express Terps 2018, West Islip Varsity, and Im sure a few other that my kid wasnt playing in that tournament. Very happy with this team. And there were a few gladiators that came over, a few kids from other teams, and a lot of kids that were on the team for years.

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Lost to the 2018 Team 91. Can't lose to younger teams. No matter how good they are.

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That game vs the younger 91 team wasn't even close for the Outlaws. I think a few Outlaw players will be at the the new Rotanz try out.

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Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.


Top Player?? I think not

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Without the Gladiator group that came over this Team would have be average. They beat TB once, and then lost to them two weeks later. Who else did they beat?


True Blue, NXT (who beat 91, Express), beat fl$, didnt play 91/Express. Beat Team Carolina, BBL, Laxachusetts Black, LB3 Atl, Express Terps 2018, West Islip Varsity, and Im sure a few other that my kid wasnt playing in that tournament. Very happy with this team. And there were a few gladiators that came over, a few kids from other teams, and a lot of kids that were on the team for years.


Heard they are getting BIG names to come over, and could give you 91 reasons why they will, but too busy now, maybe later. GO Outlaws

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Lost to the 2018 Team 91. Can't lose to younger teams. No matter how good they are.

Was Not Top team, was white Team, They had 3 Teams last year, Good try , 2017 Outlaws are going to be nasty this fall and next summer

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I also worked hard and can pay the tuition and as such there is no financial aid or discount when it comes to college--(that said, my oldest did receive both lax money and academic money for about half). However, rather than feel sorry for myself and begrudge some kid the opportunity to go to school with the help of financial aid, I feel blessed and lucky to be in the position I am in.

So for the jackwagon who is bitching about the fact that some kids are getting for free what he has to pay for, grow up. If you are as successful as you claim to be, then you know that half of life is luck. Put yourself in the best position to succeed and then work hard and hope for the best.

I know plenty of geniuses that lost it all when Bear, and Lehman tanked, through no fault of their own. I know plenty of very well paid senior managers that are where they are because a chance they took paid off.

So stop patting yourself on the back and thank god you have the ability to pay out of pocket and give your kid the best possible chance to put him/her in a position to also be successful/lucky...


This country is so upside down, you actually feel guilty for your own success! Well guess what? I don't. I also don't feel I owe anyone anything either. The government takes way more than a 4 year private degree from me every year in taxes, so I'm doing more than my part to help out those who need it. I also donate nearly a half years tuition to my town and local school district for the privilege of putting the key in my front door. My father fought in WWII for this country, for the opportunities and freedoms it used to afford. Hard work and success were things that were held in high regard. They weren't punished by progressive taxation. If you couldn't afford college, you worked and went to night school. You didn't look for a handout. The reason these schools cost $60k a year is because of the third party pay system set up by the government. So please, save your holier than thou drivel for someone who gives a sh=t. Now go see if you can find a way to vote again for this Ivy League Educated ZERO running this once great country.


I guess you spent so much time working that you missed the day at school when they talked about having class and being tactful. You are everything wrong with our country.

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Lost to the 2018 Team 91. Can't lose to younger teams. No matter how good they are.


That wasn't Outlaws A team...

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My son has played against several of the guys on the Villanova list this past year. I guarantee their age has nothing to do with why they were recruited. Neither kid was more mature they could just flat out play.

If you want to play at the D1 level. You need to be able to prove you can play well against older kids.

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Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.


Top Player?? I think not


That is a classless post.

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Lost to the 2018 Team 91. Can't lose to younger teams. No matter how good they are.

Was Not Top team, was white Team, They had 3 Teams last year, Good try , 2017 Outlaws are going to be nasty this fall and next summer


None of this matters anymore. Its all about the kids getting recruited at this point. Just take a look around, all the supposed "top" teams are concentrating on other things, winning means nothing. Its all about the exposure at this point.

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My son received an invite to the TOP205 fall showcase. Ive heard mixed reviews about it, anyone have any input? I heard last year there were too many kids and hardly any coaches? Since it looks like you have to be in the mafia to get a Philly Showcase invite this seems like a decent alternative. Any intelligent input welcome......

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No way, That Outlaw Team that lost to the Team 91 2018 at JDF was the A Team. No doubt. Check again.

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2017 Outlaw Commit.

Congrats to Outlaws 2017 Defenseman Andrew McKenna for his commitment to Navy! McKenna is a rising soph at Ward Melville.

Looks like a Outlaw sales pitch. This kid played varsity at Ward Melville as a freshman, pretty impressive. Not sure how much the
outlaw coach had to do with him getting recruited. Good luck little mac! Navy is a great school/career! looking forward to watching you play the next few years.


Talk about sales pitch, you sound like one of the 3v Stooges.

Who said anything about Outlaws Coach. The post said congrats to the kid.
By the way, the fact that a 9th grader who played varsity at WM felt the need to play summer with an "Outside Club Team" speaks volumes. Actions speak louder than words. Stronger team, more competitive tournaments and more exposure to college coaches were probably some of the reasons for playing for the Outlaws.

Are you so insecure that you had to make this about WM? Just be happy for the kid.



Has Outlaws become "Ward Melville West" ?

Congrats to the young man, great news.

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Outlaw Black A TEAM. Lost to Team 91 Extreme.

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I also worked hard and can pay the tuition and as such there is no financial aid or discount when it comes to college--(that said, my oldest did receive both lax money and academic money for about half). However, rather than feel sorry for myself and begrudge some kid the opportunity to go to school with the help of financial aid, I feel blessed and lucky to be in the position I am in.

So for the jackwagon who is bitching about the fact that some kids are getting for free what he has to pay for, grow up. If you are as successful as you claim to be, then you know that half of life is luck. Put yourself in the best position to succeed and then work hard and hope for the best.

I know plenty of geniuses that lost it all when Bear, and Lehman tanked, through no fault of their own. I know plenty of very well paid senior managers that are where they are because a chance they took paid off.

So stop patting yourself on the back and thank god you have the ability to pay out of pocket and give your kid the best possible chance to put him/her in a position to also be successful/lucky...


This country is so upside down, you actually feel guilty for your own success! Well guess what? I don't. I also don't feel I owe anyone anything either. The government takes way more than a 4 year private degree from me every year in taxes, so I'm doing more than my part to help out those who need it. I also donate nearly a half years tuition to my town and local school district for the privilege of putting the key in my front door. My father fought in WWII for this country, for the opportunities and freedoms it used to afford. Hard work and success were things that were held in high regard. They weren't punished by progressive taxation. If you couldn't afford college, you worked and went to night school. You didn't look for a handout. The reason these schools cost $60k a year is because of the third party pay system set up by the government. So please, save your holier than thou drivel for someone who gives a sh=t. Now go see if you can find a way to vote again for this Ivy League Educated ZERO running this once great country.


I guess you spent so much time working that you missed the day at school when they talked about having class and being tactful. You are everything wrong with our country.


Yeah... we highly taxed self made business owners who create high paying jobs for people, we really are everything that's wrong with this country. Thanks for pointing that out.

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Outlaw Black A TEAM. Lost to Team 91 Extreme.


It was a combo team, not the A team.

Like a previous poster stated it is about recruiting at this age and playing in competitive tournaments.

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I believe the Top 205 Fall is poor. A few D3 Schools.

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Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.


Top Player?? I think not


That is a classless post.


Great HS Season on a Team with a tough schedule, you havent seen him play in awhile.


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Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.


Top Player?? I think not


That is a classless post.


Great HS Season on a Team with a tough schedule, you havent seen him play in awhile.



Kid is not Duke material, will never see the field! Have fun riding bench!

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Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.


Top Player?? I think not


That is a classless post.


Great HS Season on a Team with a tough schedule, you havent seen him play in awhile.



How many goals, what team, don't ever remember seeing any of his stats in Newsday or MSG?? Who is he?

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I also worked hard and can pay the tuition and as such there is no financial aid or discount when it comes to college--(that said, my oldest did receive both lax money and academic money for about half). However, rather than feel sorry for myself and begrudge some kid the opportunity to go to school with the help of financial aid, I feel blessed and lucky to be in the position I am in.

So for the jackwagon who is bitching about the fact that some kids are getting for free what he has to pay for, grow up. If you are as successful as you claim to be, then you know that half of life is luck. Put yourself in the best position to succeed and then work hard and hope for the best.

I know plenty of geniuses that lost it all when Bear, and Lehman tanked, through no fault of their own. I know plenty of very well paid senior managers that are where they are because a chance they took paid off.

So stop patting yourself on the back and thank god you have the ability to pay out of pocket and give your kid the best possible chance to put him/her in a position to also be successful/lucky...


This country is so upside down, you actually feel guilty for your own success! Well guess what? I don't. I also don't feel I owe anyone anything either. The government takes way more than a 4 year private degree from me every year in taxes, so I'm doing more than my part to help out those who need it. I also donate nearly a half years tuition to my town and local school district for the privilege of putting the key in my front door. My father fought in WWII for this country, for the opportunities and freedoms it used to afford. Hard work and success were things that were held in high regard. They weren't punished by progressive taxation. If you couldn't afford college, you worked and went to night school. You didn't look for a handout. The reason these schools cost $60k a year is because of the third party pay system set up by the government. So please, save your holier than thou drivel for someone who gives a sh=t. Now go see if you can find a way to vote again for this Ivy League Educated ZERO running this once great country.


I guess you spent so much time working that you missed the day at school when they talked about having class and being tactful. You are everything wrong with our country.


Yeah... we highly taxed self made business owners who create high paying jobs for people, we really are everything that's wrong with this country. Thanks for pointing that out.


I am Elmer J. Fudd Millionaire, I own a Mansion and a Yacht!

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I also worked hard and can pay the tuition and as such there is no financial aid or discount when it comes to college--(that said, my oldest did receive both lax money and academic money for about half). However, rather than feel sorry for myself and begrudge some kid the opportunity to go to school with the help of financial aid, I feel blessed and lucky to be in the position I am in.

So for the jackwagon who is bitching about the fact that some kids are getting for free what he has to pay for, grow up. If you are as successful as you claim to be, then you know that half of life is luck. Put yourself in the best position to succeed and then work hard and hope for the best.

I know plenty of geniuses that lost it all when Bear, and Lehman tanked, through no fault of their own. I know plenty of very well paid senior managers that are where they are because a chance they took paid off.

So stop patting yourself on the back and thank god you have the ability to pay out of pocket and give your kid the best possible chance to put him/her in a position to also be successful/lucky...


This country is so upside down, you actually feel guilty for your own success! Well guess what? I don't. I also don't feel I owe anyone anything either. The government takes way more than a 4 year private degree from me every year in taxes, so I'm doing more than my part to help out those who need it. I also donate nearly a half years tuition to my town and local school district for the privilege of putting the key in my front door. My father fought in WWII for this country, for the opportunities and freedoms it used to afford. Hard work and success were things that were held in high regard. They weren't punished by progressive taxation. If you couldn't afford college, you worked and went to night school. You didn't look for a handout. The reason these schools cost $60k a year is because of the third party pay system set up by the government. So please, save your holier than thou drivel for someone who gives a sh=t. Now go see if you can find a way to vote again for this Ivy League Educated ZERO running this once great country.


I guess you spent so much time working that you missed the day at school when they talked about having class and being tactful. You are everything wrong with our country.


Yeah... we highly taxed self made business owners who create high paying jobs for people, we really are everything that's wrong with this country. Thanks for pointing that out.


My did fought in WWII also, he had the GI bill, was that a handout? Then he died when I was young so I had Social Security (another handout I guess). I always had a job that paid a little and got good grades, but it was not nearly enough. Thank God that I got plenty of handouts to go to college and I believe that being highly taxed now is how we pay it forward. The American Way.

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2017 Outlaw Commit.

Congrats to Outlaws 2017 Defenseman Andrew McKenna for his commitment to Navy! McKenna is a rising soph at Ward Melville.

Looks like a Outlaw sales pitch. This kid played varsity at Ward Melville as a freshman, pretty impressive. Not sure how much the
outlaw coach had to do with him getting recruited. Good luck little mac! Navy is a great school/career! looking forward to watching you play the next few years.


Talk about sales pitch, you sound like one of the 3v Stooges.

Who said anything about Outlaws Coach. The post said congrats to the kid.
By the way, the fact that a 9th grader who played varsity at WM felt the need to play summer with an "Outside Club Team" speaks volumes. Actions speak louder than words. Stronger team, more competitive tournaments and more exposure to college coaches were probably some of the reasons for playing for the Outlaws.

Are you so insecure that you had to make this about WM? Just be happy for the kid.



Has Outlaws become "Ward Melville West" ?

Congrats to the young man, great news.
Did he play with Patriot Gold also and Outlaws or just Outlaws ? I don't think WM coaches would be too happy with kids choosing club over school summer team. They had a really impressive summer.

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Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.


Top Player?? I think not


That is a classless post.


Great HS Season on a Team with a tough schedule, you havent seen him play in awhile.



How many goals, what team, don't ever remember seeing any of his stats in Newsday or MSG?? Who is he?


Hills west. Led the team in points

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Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.


Top Player?? I think not


That is a classless post.


Great HS Season on a Team with a tough schedule, you havent seen him play in awhile.



How many goals, what team, don't ever remember seeing any of his stats in Newsday or MSG?? Who is he?


Hills west. Led the team in points


Impressive for a freshman, if that's true he is deserving. HW was a good team. How come I never saw anything in the press about him?

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Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.


Top Player?? I think not


That is a classless post.


Great HS Season on a Team with a tough schedule, you havent seen him play in awhile.



How many goals, what team, don't ever remember seeing any of his stats in Newsday or MSG?? Who is he?


Hills west. Led the team in points


LOL, thanks to DADDY.

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Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.


Top Player?? I think not


That is a classless post.


Great HS Season on a Team with a tough schedule, you havent seen him play in awhile.



Kid is not Duke material, will never see the field! Have fun riding bench!


He gets to go to DUKE!!!! Sign me up!

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Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.


Top Player?? I think not


That is a classless post.


Great HS Season on a Team with a tough schedule, you havent seen him play in awhile.



Kid is not Duke material, will never see the field! Have fun riding bench!


He gets to go to DUKE!!!! Sign me up!


You grown men know you are commenting on a 15-year old? I'm sure the Duke coach knows more than you about recruiting. Good luck to him and his family. I have no idea who he is, but believe it or not some talented kids don't get press for one reason or another.

I feel sorry for your children.

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Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.


Top Player?? I think not


That is a classless post.


Great HS Season on a Team with a tough schedule, you havent seen him play in awhile.



Kid is not Duke material, will never see the field! Have fun riding bench!
Yet apparently Danowski seems to think he is.

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I also worked hard and can pay the tuition and as such there is no financial aid or discount when it comes to college--(that said, my oldest did receive both lax money and academic money for about half). However, rather than feel sorry for myself and begrudge some kid the opportunity to go to school with the help of financial aid, I feel blessed and lucky to be in the position I am in.

So for the jackwagon who is bitching about the fact that some kids are getting for free what he has to pay for, grow up. If you are as successful as you claim to be, then you know that half of life is luck. Put yourself in the best position to succeed and then work hard and hope for the best.

I know plenty of geniuses that lost it all when Bear, and Lehman tanked, through no fault of their own. I know plenty of very well paid senior managers that are where they are because a chance they took paid off.

So stop patting yourself on the back and thank god you have the ability to pay out of pocket and give your kid the best possible chance to put him/her in a position to also be successful/lucky...


This country is so upside down, you actually feel guilty for your own success! Well guess what? I don't. I also don't feel I owe anyone anything either. The government takes way more than a 4 year private degree from me every year in taxes, so I'm doing more than my part to help out those who need it. I also donate nearly a half years tuition to my town and local school district for the privilege of putting the key in my front door. My father fought in WWII for this country, for the opportunities and freedoms it used to afford. Hard work and success were things that were held in high regard. They weren't punished by progressive taxation. If you couldn't afford college, you worked and went to night school. You didn't look for a handout. The reason these schools cost $60k a year is because of the third party pay system set up by the government. So please, save your holier than thou drivel for someone who gives a sh=t. Now go see if you can find a way to vote again for this Ivy League Educated ZERO running this once great country.


I guess you spent so much time working that you missed the day at school when they talked about having class and being tactful. You are everything wrong with our country.


Yeah... we highly taxed self made business owners who create high paying jobs for people, we really are everything that's wrong with this country. Thanks for pointing that out.


Right, you started a business that created high paying jobs...Any of the jobs your created capable of paying $50k per year in college tuition. How may of those do you have? 98% of the country wants one...


Maybe instead of telling us how hard you worked, tell the people who need it how to get a job at your company. Please.....


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Cam Mule to Duke. Impressive, the top players are all going quick now. Season is over and the Teams know who they want. Now the mid level D1 schools will start.


Top Player?? I think not


That is a classless post.


Great HS Season on a Team with a tough schedule, you havent seen him play in awhile.



Kid is not Duke material, will never see the field! Have fun riding bench!
Yet apparently Danowski seems to think he is.

prob no 91 connection. wait what club does Caputo's kids play for?

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I also worked hard and can pay the tuition and as such there is no financial aid or discount when it comes to college--(that said, my oldest did receive both lax money and academic money for about half). However, rather than feel sorry for myself and begrudge some kid the opportunity to go to school with the help of financial aid, I feel blessed and lucky to be in the position I am in.

So for the jackwagon who is bitching about the fact that some kids are getting for free what he has to pay for, grow up. If you are as successful as you claim to be, then you know that half of life is luck. Put yourself in the best position to succeed and then work hard and hope for the best.

I know plenty of geniuses that lost it all when Bear, and Lehman tanked, through no fault of their own. I know plenty of very well paid senior managers that are where they are because a chance they took paid off.

So stop patting yourself on the back and thank god you have the ability to pay out of pocket and give your kid the best possible chance to put him/her in a position to also be successful/lucky...


This country is so upside down, you actually feel guilty for your own success! Well guess what? I don't. I also don't feel I owe anyone anything either. The government takes way more than a 4 year private degree from me every year in taxes, so I'm doing more than my part to help out those who need it. I also donate nearly a half years tuition to my town and local school district for the privilege of putting the key in my front door. My father fought in WWII for this country, for the opportunities and freedoms it used to afford. Hard work and success were things that were held in high regard. They weren't punished by progressive taxation. If you couldn't afford college, you worked and went to night school. You didn't look for a handout. The reason these schools cost $60k a year is because of the third party pay system set up by the government. So please, save your holier than thou drivel for someone who gives a sh=t. Now go see if you can find a way to vote again for this Ivy League Educated ZERO running this once great country.


I guess you spent so much time working that you missed the day at school when they talked about having class and being tactful. You are everything wrong with our country.


Yeah... we highly taxed self made business owners who create high paying jobs for people, we really are everything that's wrong with this country. Thanks for pointing that out.


Right, you started a business that created high paying jobs...Any of the jobs your created capable of paying $50k per year in college tuition. How may of those do you have? 98% of the country wants one...


Maybe instead of telling us how hard you worked, tell the people who need it how to get a job at your company. Please.....



You don't need to spend $50k a year on education, read todays WSJ. Article shows how people are getting an education for far, far less. Keep in mind, only 30% of HS seniors go on to any college nationally. It doesn't take much to figure it out. 2 years at Suffolk or Nassau, $8,000 total. Get good grades and transfer to Stony Brook, Geneseo or Binghampton. $18k a year all in. Total cost for 4 year degree $44k. Better yet, live at home and finish up at Stony Brook, $16k for two years. $24k total for a great undergrad degree. Again, get good grades, get a job and have the company pay for your masters at NYU or Columbia. Great education for pennies on the dollar. Stop being a victim, it can and is being done.

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I also worked hard and can pay the tuition and as such there is no financial aid or discount when it comes to college--(that said, my oldest did receive both lax money and academic money for about half). However, rather than feel sorry for myself and begrudge some kid the opportunity to go to school with the help of financial aid, I feel blessed and lucky to be in the position I am in.

So for the jackwagon who is bitching about the fact that some kids are getting for free what he has to pay for, grow up. If you are as successful as you claim to be, then you know that half of life is luck. Put yourself in the best position to succeed and then work hard and hope for the best.

I know plenty of geniuses that lost it all when Bear, and Lehman tanked, through no fault of their own. I know plenty of very well paid senior managers that are where they are because a chance they took paid off.

So stop patting yourself on the back and thank god you have the ability to pay out of pocket and give your kid the best possible chance to put him/her in a position to also be successful/lucky...


This country is so upside down, you actually feel guilty for your own success! Well guess what? I don't. I also don't feel I owe anyone anything either. The government takes way more than a 4 year private degree from me every year in taxes, so I'm doing more than my part to help out those who need it. I also donate nearly a half years tuition to my town and local school district for the privilege of putting the key in my front door. My father fought in WWII for this country, for the opportunities and freedoms it used to afford. Hard work and success were things that were held in high regard. They weren't punished by progressive taxation. If you couldn't afford college, you worked and went to night school. You didn't look for a handout. The reason these schools cost $60k a year is because of the third party pay system set up by the government. So please, save your holier than thou drivel for someone who gives a sh=t. Now go see if you can find a way to vote again for this Ivy League Educated ZERO running this once great country.


I guess you spent so much time working that you missed the day at school when they talked about having class and being tactful. You are everything wrong with our country.


Yeah... we highly taxed self made business owners who create high paying jobs for people, we really are everything that's wrong with this country. Thanks for pointing that out.


My did fought in WWII also, he had the GI bill, was that a handout? Then he died when I was young so I had Social Security (another handout I guess). I always had a job that paid a little and got good grades, but it was not nearly enough. Thank God that I got plenty of handouts to go to college and I believe that being highly taxed now is how we pay it forward. The American Way.


If you want to compare the GI Bill, and SS death benefit to $50k a year in free education for kids of parents who make 6 figures that's fine, I'm sorry I don't see the correlation. I never said we shouldn't have a basic safety net. You are confused at best. And no, the American way is not to tax highly compensated people at ridiculous levels. That is called socialism. You ever ask yourself? Where is all this money going? Why are all these social problems that this money was supposed to help continuing to be an issue? The war on poverty? The great society. WE'RE 17 Trillion in debt and no amount of trillions will ever change things. Sorry, try again.

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If the recent Duke commit lead his team in points, was ha named an all county player?

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2017 Outlaw Commit.

Congrats to Outlaws 2017 Defenseman Andrew McKenna for his commitment to Navy! McKenna is a rising soph at Ward Melville.

Looks like a Outlaw sales pitch. This kid played varsity at Ward Melville as a freshman, pretty impressive. Not sure how much the
outlaw coach had to do with him getting recruited. Good luck little mac! Navy is a great school/career! looking forward to watching you play the next few years.


Talk about sales pitch, you sound like one of the 3v Stooges.

Who said anything about Outlaws Coach. The post said congrats to the kid.
By the way, the fact that a 9th grader who played varsity at WM felt the need to play summer with an "Outside Club Team" speaks volumes. Actions speak louder than words. Stronger team, more competitive tournaments and more exposure to college coaches were probably some of the reasons for playing for the Outlaws.

Are you so insecure that you had to make this about WM? Just be happy for the kid.



Has Outlaws become "Ward Melville West" ?

Congrats to the young man, great news.
Did he play with Patriot Gold also and Outlaws or just Outlaws ? I don't think WM coaches would be too happy with kids choosing club over school summer team. They had a really impressive summer.


Impressive summer? Keep the blinders on. Second tier tournaments and "B" level competition not impressive at all. As the other post said "actions speak louder than words". Wake up. Why do you think kids are playing on other teams? Many 2017 WM players have played for other clubs over the years many wish they had. The parents and players that are playing club have no regret.
Keep trying to coerce and intimidate the players and families, keep trying to impose your will upon others it will not help your son. Are you so blind that you can not see what is out there? Why do you want to hold players back? Better teams, better competition and more exposure to college coaches. Just some of the reasons players choose to play on an outside club team.

Very happy for the kid and the family. Good for them that they did what was best for their son and it worked out so well. I'm sure they are happy with their decision. Best of luck the rest of the way.





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Congrats to Outlaws 2017 Defenseman Andrew McKenna for his commitment to Navy! McKenna is a rising soph at Ward Melville.

Looks like a Outlaw sales pitch. This kid played varsity at Ward Melville as a freshman, pretty impressive. Not sure how much the
outlaw coach had to do with him getting recruited. Good luck little mac! Navy is a great school/career! looking forward to watching you play the next few years.


Talk about sales pitch, you sound like one of the 3v Stooges.

Who said anything about Outlaws Coach. The post said congrats to the kid.
By the way, the fact that a 9th grader who played varsity at WM felt the need to play summer with an "Outside Club Team" speaks volumes. Actions speak louder than words. Stronger team, more competitive tournaments and more exposure to college coaches were probably some of the reasons for playing for the Outlaws.

Are you so insecure that you had to make this about WM? Just be happy for the kid.



Has Outlaws become "Ward Melville West" ?

Congrats to the young man, great news.
Did he play with Patriot Gold also and Outlaws or just Outlaws ? I don't think WM coaches would be too happy with kids choosing club over school summer team. They had a really impressive summer.


Impressive summer? Keep the blinders on. Second tier tournaments and "B" level competition not impressive at all. As the other post said "actions speak louder than words". Wake up. Why do you think kids are playing on other teams? Many 2017 WM players have played for other clubs over the years many wish they had. The parents and players that are playing club have no regret.
Keep trying to coerce and intimidate the players and families, keep trying to impose your will upon others it will not help your son. Are you so blind that you can not see what is out there? Why do you want to hold players back? Better teams, better competition and more exposure to college coaches. Just some of the reasons players choose to play on an outside club team.

Very happy for the kid and the family. Good for them that they did what was best for their son and it worked out so well. I'm sure they are happy with their decision. Best of luck the rest of the way.






2018 parent here:

What were the best Fall Tournaments for the 2017 group last year? Please rank? Anyone do Quakerfest?

Also, other than Freshman Philly Showcase, what were the best showcases, and why? Thanks in advance.

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HHHW Attack was All County as a Freshman.

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Stay away from top 205, get into Philly Showcase.

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Just about 100 2017 Boys according to Inside Lacrosse have commits.

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Quaker Fest #1
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Uplax Cottle Legacey all good
SWR best High School only Tournament

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Congrats to Outlaws 2017 Defenseman Andrew McKenna for his commitment to Navy! McKenna is a rising soph at Ward Melville.

Looks like a Outlaw sales pitch. This kid played varsity at Ward Melville as a freshman, pretty impressive. Not sure how much the
outlaw coach had to do with him getting recruited. Good luck little mac! Navy is a great school/career! looking forward to watching you play the next few years.


Talk about sales pitch, you sound like one of the 3v Stooges.

Who said anything about Outlaws Coach. The post said congrats to the kid.
By the way, the fact that a 9th grader who played varsity at WM felt the need to play summer with an "Outside Club Team" speaks volumes. Actions speak louder than words. Stronger team, more competitive tournaments and more exposure to college coaches were probably some of the reasons for playing for the Outlaws.

Are you so insecure that you had to make this about WM? Just be happy for the kid.



Has Outlaws become "Ward Melville West" ?

Congrats to the young man, great news.
Did he play with Patriot Gold also and Outlaws or just Outlaws ? I don't think WM coaches would be too happy with kids choosing club over school summer team. They had a really impressive summer.


Impressive summer? Keep the blinders on. Second tier tournaments and "B" level competition not impressive at all. As the other post said "actions speak louder than words". Wake up. Why do you think kids are playing on other teams? Many 2017 WM players have played for other clubs over the years many wish they had. The parents and players that are playing club have no regret.
Keep trying to coerce and intimidate the players and families, keep trying to impose your will upon others it will not help your son. Are you so blind that you can not see what is out there? Why do you want to hold players back? Better teams, better competition and more exposure to college coaches. Just some of the reasons players choose to play on an outside club team.

Very happy for the kid and the family. Good for them that they did what was best for their son and it worked out so well. I'm sure they are happy with their decision. Best of luck the rest of the way.


Easy there guy, I'm not faulting or judging the kid or his parents. I am not from the WM community, but I do respect their program. Being runner-up at the National High School Lacrosse Tournament is impressive to me. They played and beat some of the top schools in the country. I think the competition was pretty high there. Some of the other tournaments, not so much but they seemed to play well. I see that a few 2016's and 2017's have already committed from their program. I don't know if these kids played club as well.
You seem to have hostility toward the WM summer program and it may be justified- I don't know. I just asked if this particular boy didn't participate with Patriot Elite at all and just did club instead. I am just curious if that was the case and I respect that it should be his decision to make. I ask not to start anything but just because my kid plays for a WM rival that has a similar summer program and philosophy- you can play club as well but never choose the club over the school program. As far as I know, nobody has done this in our program yet, but I can see it on the horizon. Again congrats to Andrew no matter who he played for.

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Congrats to Outlaws 2017 Defenseman Andrew McKenna for his commitment to Navy! McKenna is a rising soph at Ward Melville.

Looks like a Outlaw sales pitch. This kid played varsity at Ward Melville as a freshman, pretty impressive. Not sure how much the
outlaw coach had to do with him getting recruited. Good luck little mac! Navy is a great school/career! looking forward to watching you play the next few years.


Talk about sales pitch, you sound like one of the 3v Stooges.

Who said anything about Outlaws Coach. The post said congrats to the kid.
By the way, the fact that a 9th grader who played varsity at WM felt the need to play summer with an "Outside Club Team" speaks volumes. Actions speak louder than words. Stronger team, more competitive tournaments and more exposure to college coaches were probably some of the reasons for playing for the Outlaws.

Are you so insecure that you had to make this about WM? Just be happy for the kid.



Has Outlaws become "Ward Melville West" ?

Congrats to the young man, great news.
Did he play with Patriot Gold also and Outlaws or just Outlaws ? I don't think WM coaches would be too happy with kids choosing club over school summer team. They had a really impressive summer.


Impressive summer? Keep the blinders on. Second tier tournaments and "B" level competition not impressive at all. As the other post said "actions speak louder than words". Wake up. Why do you think kids are playing on other teams? Many 2017 WM players have played for other clubs over the years many wish they had. The parents and players that are playing club have no regret.
Keep trying to coerce and intimidate the players and families, keep trying to impose your will upon others it will not help your son. Are you so blind that you can not see what is out there? Why do you want to hold players back? Better teams, better competition and more exposure to college coaches. Just some of the reasons players choose to play on an outside club team.

Very happy for the kid and the family. Good for them that they did what was best for their son and it worked out so well. I'm sure they are happy with their decision. Best of luck the rest of the way.


Easy there guy, I'm not faulting or judging the kid or his parents. I am not from the WM community, but I do respect their program. Being runner-up at the National High School Lacrosse Tournament is impressive to me. They played and beat some of the top schools in the country. I think the competition was pretty high there. Some of the other tournaments, not so much but they seemed to play well. I see that a few 2016's and 2017's have already committed from their program. I don't know if these kids played club as well.
You seem to have hostility toward the WM summer program and it may be justified- I don't know. I just asked if this particular boy didn't participate with Patriot Elite at all and just did club instead. I am just curious if that was the case and I respect that it should be his decision to make. I ask not to start anything but just because my kid plays for a WM rival that has a similar summer program and philosophy- you can play club as well but never choose the club over the school program. As far as I know, nobody has done this in our program yet, but I can see it on the horizon. Again congrats to Andrew no matter who he played for.


That tournament was a joke. teams did not have their key players because they were at underarmour along with all the college coaches! A waste of time!

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Impressive summer? Keep the blinders on. Second tier tournaments and "B" level competition not impressive at all. As the other post said "actions speak louder than words". Wake up. Why do you think kids are playing on other teams? Many 2017 WM players have played for other clubs over the years many wish they had. The parents and players that are playing club have no regret.
Keep trying to coerce and intimidate the players and families, keep trying to impose your will upon others it will not help your son. Are you so blind that you can not see what is out there? Why do you want to hold players back? Better teams, better competition and more exposure to college coaches. Just some of the reasons players choose to play on an outside club team.

Very happy for the kid and the family. Good for them that they did what was best for their son and it worked out so well. I'm sure they are happy with their decision. Best of luck the rest of the way.


Easy there guy, I'm not faulting or judging the kid or his parents. I am not from the WM community, but I do respect their program. Being runner-up at the National High School Lacrosse Tournament is impressive to me. They played and beat some of the top schools in the country. I think the competition was pretty high there. Some of the other tournaments, not so much but they seemed to play well. I see that a few 2016's and 2017's have already committed from their program. I don't know if these kids played club as well.
You seem to have hostility toward the WM summer program and it may be justified- I don't know. I just asked if this particular boy didn't participate with Patriot Elite at all and just did club instead. I am just curious if that was the case and I respect that it should be his decision to make. I ask not to start anything but just because my kid plays for a WM rival that has a similar summer program and philosophy- you can play club as well but never choose the club over the school program. As far as I know, nobody has done this in our program yet, but I can see it on the horizon. Again congrats to Andrew no matter who he played for.

another hater of WM summer program.this kid didnt pick a club over Patriot Elite. He played both. When a conflict arose, he played for school program. This club does a great job of working with kids who have a HS summer team as well. The reference to coercion intimidation ? show proof that this has ever happened? The Patriot Elite Varsity Green team had a great summer, played great competition....and without the 2 raising sr. stars. Basically had no star player but a lot of team players, fun to watch & playing almost 25 games this summer, makes for a exciting 2015 spring varsity season!

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That tournament was a joke. teams did not have their key players because they were at underarmour along with all the college coaches! A waste of time!

Far from a joke. Some of the top HS in the country were there. Key players at UA? Yes, but how many from each team? 1, 2? the teams were well matched & provided many exciting games to watch. Miaa teams were impressive & deep with talent & looked alot older....
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That tournament was a joke. teams did not have their key players because they were at underarmour along with all the college coaches! A waste of time!

Far from a joke. Some of the top HS in the country were there. Key players at UA? Yes, but how many from each team? 1, 2? the teams were well matched & provided many exciting games to watch. Miaa teams were impressive & deep with talent & looked alot older....
lol.


There is no way you can accurately compare summer ball the varsity season. Many players don't play on summer teams for one reason or another. I was there and all the kids my son was looking forward to playing on the top teams were not there.

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Stay away from top 205, get into Philly Showcase.


You make it sound so easy.....second year my son has applied and no dice. He plays for a good club team and we live in a LI powerhouse school program. seems to me they are extremely tight with the spots they give out. Phone calls need to made, etc.....

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What was the issue with 205?

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[quote=Anonymous]2017 Outlaw Commit.

Congrats to Outlaws 2017 Defenseman Andrew McKenna for his commitment to Navy! McKenna is a rising soph at Ward Melville.

Looks like a Outlaw sales pitch. This kid played varsity at Ward Melville as a freshman, pretty impressive. Not sure how much the
outlaw coach had to do with him getting recruited. Good luck little mac! Navy is a great school/career! looking forward to watching you play the next few years.


Talk about sales pitch, you sound like one of the 3v Stooges.

Who said anything about Outlaws Coach. The post said congrats to the kid.
By the way, the fact that a 9th grader who played varsity at WM felt the need to play summer with an "Outside Club Team" speaks volumes. Actions speak louder than words. Stronger team, more competitive tournaments and more exposure to college coaches were probably some of the reasons for playing for the Outlaws.

Are you so insecure that you had to make this about WM? Just be happy for the kid.



Has Outlaws become "Ward Melville West" ?

Congrats to the young man, great news.
Did he play with Patriot Gold also and Outlaws or just Outlaws ? I don't think WM coaches would be too happy with kids choosing club over school summer team. They had a really impressive summer.


Impressive summer? Keep the blinders on. Second tier tournaments and "B" level competition not impressive at all. As the other post said "actions speak louder than words". Wake up. Why do you think kids are playing on other teams? Many 2017 WM players have played for other clubs over the years many wish they had. The parents and players that are playing club have no regret.
Keep trying to coerce and intimidate the players and families, keep trying to impose your will upon others it will not help your son. Are you so blind that you can not see what is out there? Why do you want to hold players back? Better teams, better competition and more exposure to college coaches. Just some of the reasons players choose to play on an outside club team.

Very happy for the kid and the family. Good for them that they did what was best for their son and it worked out so well. I'm sure they are happy with their decision. Best of luck the rest of the way.


Easy there guy, I'm not faulting or judging the kid or his parents. I am not from the WM community, but I do respect their program. Being runner-up at the National High School Lacrosse Tournament is impressive to me. They played and beat some of the top schools in the country. I think the competition was pretty high there. Some of the other tournaments, not so much but they seemed to play well. I see that a few 2016's and 2017's have already committed from their program. I don't know if these kids played club as well.
You seem to have hostility toward the WM summer program and it may be justified- I don't know. I just asked if this particular boy didn't participate with Patriot Elite at all and just did club instead. I am just curious if that was the case and I respect that it should be his decision to make. I ask not to start anything but just because my kid plays for a WM rival that has a similar summer program and philosophy- you can play club as well but never choose the club over the school program. As far as I know, nobody has done this in our program yet, but I can see it on the horizon. Again congrats to Andrew no matter who he played for.


Sorry, thought you were the same guy who took a shot at the Outlaws and the coach. I have no hostility towards the WM Summer Program. I do however feel the need to chime in Vs the contingent of V3 parents who want everyone to do as they say they should do. Also, you brought up the Gold Team but then referenced the Green Team Tournaments. It was a 3V parent who implied that the Outlaws had nothing to do with the recruiting process. The fact is, many Ward Melville boys felt the need to go to an outside club. Why?? Everyone wants to play for Ward Melville during the school year but some realize that there are alternatives during the off season and some play both.

The way that you stated: "I don't think WM coaches would be too happy with kids choosing club over school summer team." sounded to me that there might be some type of fall out if the boys chose to play for an outside club. Which is why I brought up the coercion and intimidation.

I have not seen the HS coaches at WM punish anyone for playing club.

I guess how impressive the summer was depends upon you define impressive. The fact is that neither team enters the top recruiting tournaments and neither team played the best competition. Good summer for both teams and good for the boys. But, the reality is that many of the boys and their families recognize that The Outlaws and other clubs can help in both the development and recruiting process. Good for the ones who take advantage of the opportunities that are out there.

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That tournament was a joke. teams did not have their key players because they were at underarmour along with all the college coaches! A waste of time!

Far from a joke. Some of the top HS in the country were there. Key players at UA? Yes, but how many from each team? 1, 2? the teams were well matched & provided many exciting games to watch. Miaa teams were impressive & deep with talent & looked alot older....
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A total joke. No quality coaches there at all! Many games without a single coach at what was billed as a showcase! Who would plan a tournament like that the same week as UA?

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What was the issue with 205?


I keep asking the same question and no one seems to have an answer. I heard last fall the camp was way overcrowded with kids and hardly any college coaches. Its pricey at $400; for that money it better be worth it. Ive been trying to get some feedback but so far no one has come forward with any input.

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And a good percentage of the D kids that are committed are 2016 reclassifieds.

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That tournament was a joke. teams did not have their key players because they were at underarmour along with all the college coaches! A waste of time!

Far from a joke. Some of the top HS in the country were there. Key players at UA? Yes, but how many from each team? 1, 2? the teams were well matched & provided many exciting games to watch. Miaa teams were impressive & deep with talent & looked alot older....
lol.


A total joke. No quality coaches there at all! Many games without a single coach at what was billed as a showcase! Who would plan a tournament like that the same week as UA?


Which tournament are you guys talking about?

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Outlaw Black A TEAM. Lost to Team 91 Extreme.


It was a combo team, not the A team.

Like a previous poster stated it is about recruiting at this age and playing in competitive tournaments.


Correct on both counts but on the Outlaws A team, there were 35 boys on the roster so when you say combo team, does that mean players on the roster other than the top 15 got playing time? All about exposure. If your son gets a spot on this team, make sure you speak in advance about playing time. The coach is all about winning. If it is a close game, there will be no goalie swith and no attack switch.

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Less than 10 committed 2017 play D...


And a good percentage of the D kids that are committed are 2016 reclassifieds.
That is true of all of the kids committed. More than 50% of the public commits on Inside Lacrosse are a year older. Not comlaining, just the reality in the recruiting game at this point.

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Less than 10 committed 2017 play D...


And a good percentage of the D kids that are committed are 2016 reclassifieds.
That is true of all of the kids committed. More than 50% of the public commits on Inside Lacrosse are a year older. Not comlaining, just the reality in the recruiting game at this point.


Not the Long Island D1commits. Looks like just about all of them are ON AGE. Look at FCA team with the Turtle players, or the fl$ attack man he was in Denver also. Need proof of ages for the u15 event that just happened.

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And a good percentage of the D kids that are committed are 2016 reclassifieds.
That is true of all of the kids committed. More than 50% of the public commits on Inside Lacrosse are a year older. Not comlaining, just the reality in the recruiting game at this point.


How do you know they are older? No birthdays are listed.

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And a good percentage of the D kids that are committed are 2016 reclassifieds.


Where are you getting this data from? Or is this a purely anecdotal statement?

I personally know more than half of the D commits. And all are age appropriate. 2 that I don't know personally are in fact reclassified. (The Long Island D commits are age appropriate as well)

Where is the "good percentage" then? Please elaborate.

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That tournament was a joke. teams did not have their key players because they were at underarmour along with all the college coaches! A waste of time!

Far from a joke. Some of the top HS in the country were there. Key players at UA? Yes, but how many from each team? 1, 2? the teams were well matched & provided many exciting games to watch. Miaa teams were impressive & deep with talent & looked alot older....
lol.


The only people who would consider this a competitive tournament are the parents of boys who have not been to the more competitive tournaments. I don't want to pick on the event but have to challenge those who say it was high caliber tournament. It was not. if you do not want to believe a random poster on this forum go ask "a 2015 or 2016 player" who plays on a top club team who also went to this event. Ask if this was the best competition of the summer. Also ask what events had more college coaches in attendance.

There is no way you can accurately compare summer ball the varsity season. Many players don't play on summer teams for one reason or another. I was there and all the kids my son was looking forward to playing on the top teams were not there.

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Stay away from top 205, get into Philly Showcase.


You make it sound so easy.....second year my son has applied and no dice. He plays for a good club team and we live in a LI powerhouse school program. seems to me they are extremely tight with the spots they give out. Phone calls need to made, etc.....


This is where your Travel organization must help. Placement in the key showcases is important. Nike, Mav Showtime, Philly.





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With all the thousand of dollars spent on the private organization they owe you a spot in one of the elite showcases. They might not have the clout now that the pressure is on them?

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With all the thousand of dollars spent on the private organization they owe you a spot in one of the elite showcases. They might not have the clout now that the pressure is on them?


I'm learning that lesson now... Top two or three players on competitive A team should be able to get into the top showcases. I'm learning some organizations just don't have that clout.

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The only people who would consider this a competitive tournament are the parents of boys who have not been to the more competitive tournaments. I don't want to pick on the event but have to challenge those who say it was high caliber tournament. It was not. if you do not want to believe a random poster on this forum go ask "a 2015 or 2016 player" who plays on a top club team who also went to this event. Ask if this was the best competition of the summer. Also ask what events had more college coaches in attendance.

I think there are 2 issues here, was it a competitive tourney & the # of college coaches in attendance. The poster indicated that it was far from a joke from a competition stand point. Many well known HS teams. I was there & saw some great lacrosse! The poster did not say it was the best competition of the summer, & btw, if your saying it wasn't, what was your son's team record at this event? was your kid scoring 5g's a game? As far as the coaches in attendance, way-off...no doubt
cant argue that.

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2017 parents,

2018 parent here looking for advice on individual showcases to attend as a freshman.

FALL:
I've been told the Phhily Freshman showcase is the best any experience?
What about Jake Reed Fall?
Also is one showcase enough for the fall or should I throw money at multiple people?

SUMMER:
How many individual showcases should we attend next summer?

I assume answers will vary based on expectations.
-Top Tier D1
-Mid Tier D1
-Lower Tier D1
-Top Tier D II/III
-Lower Tier D II/III

Also, what is the right time to sit down and write your 1st letter to the schools of interest?

Any feedback and help is appreciated - THANKS!!



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The only people who would consider this a competitive tournament are the parents of boys who have not been to the more competitive tournaments. I don't want to pick on the event but have to challenge those who say it was high caliber tournament. It was not. if you do not want to believe a random poster on this forum go ask "a 2015 or 2016 player" who plays on a top club team who also went to this event. Ask if this was the best competition of the summer. Also ask what events had more college coaches in attendance.

I just went on the National Showcase website looks like a pretty good showing of college coaches....are the program directors fabricating coaches in attendance? interesting.

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2017 parents,

2018 parent here looking for advice on individual showcases to attend as a freshman.

FALL:
I've been told the Phhily Freshman showcase is the best any experience?
What about Jake Reed Fall?
Also is one showcase enough for the fall or should I throw money at multiple people?

SUMMER:
How many individual showcases should we attend next summer?

I assume answers will vary based on expectations.
-Top Tier D1
-Mid Tier D1
-Lower Tier D1
-Top Tier D II/III
-Lower Tier D II/III

Also, what is the right time to sit down and write your 1st letter to the schools of interest?

Any feedback and help is appreciated - THANKS!!

My son is a 2017 and we just finished up this summer and it is definitely a gauntlet. There are several big time showcases and several second tier showcases you should consider doing. Be realistic about where your son is at or you will wind up wasting a ton of money. If you believe your son is ready to get looked at, start sending out emails to the coaches of the schools your son is interested in.

The list of showcases (IMHO)

Fall:

Philly Showcase. Hard to get in, but well worth it.

Jake Reed Fall showcase. Again, hard to get in.

Winter:

3d Blue Chip. A play in camp for Jake Reed summer.

Spring/Summer:

Adrenaline Black Card. Among the best. First class all the way. Loaded with D1 coaches.

Maverick Showtime. Probably the premier showcase out there right now.

Jake Reed summer. Again, top notch.

Top205: Ive heard mixed reviews, lower D1, upper D2-D3 coaches in attendance.

Blue Chip 225: Lot of upper D3, some top D1. Nicely run camp up at Bryant.

Based on what club team you play for you might be attending some showcase tournaments as well.

Top Tourneys (IMHO)

Crabfeast. Top competition. D1 Coaches everywhere.

Adrenaline Platinum. Great event, D1 coaches everywhere.

fl$ in 3d. Great tourney. Poorly run this year from a parking standpoint but a lot of coaches and top competition.

Im sure Im missing some but this is my list. Word of advice, dont do too much, you will burn him out. Do one or two showcases and whatever tourneys your club team is doing. You have plenty of time, hes only a 2018. Everyone is panicking but the reality is that most kids get recruited going into their junior or senior years.

Good luck and enjoy the journey, you only do it once.



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wow that was great info Thank you for taking the time and sharing your experience.

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And a good percentage of the D kids that are committed are 2016 reclassifieds.


Where are you getting this data from? Or is this a purely anecdotal statement?

I personally know more than half of the D commits. And all are age appropriate. 2 that I don't know personally are in fact reclassified. (The Long Island D commits are age appropriate as well)

Where is the "good percentage" then? Please elaborate.


There are more than 10 D commits. I realize that the Long Island commits are age appropriate, but they seem to be the only ones. Check out Toplaxrecruits.com and look at the 2017 commits. .

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2017 parents,

2018 parent here looking for advice on individual showcases to attend as a freshman.

FALL:
I've been told the Phhily Freshman showcase is the best any experience?
What about Jake Reed Fall?
Also is one showcase enough for the fall or should I throw money at multiple people?

SUMMER:
How many individual showcases should we attend next summer?

I assume answers will vary based on expectations.
-Top Tier D1
-Mid Tier D1
-Lower Tier D1
-Top Tier D II/III
-Lower Tier D II/III

Also, what is the right time to sit down and write your 1st letter to the schools of interest?

Any feedback and help is appreciated - THANKS!!

My son is a 2017 and we just finished up this summer and it is definitely a gauntlet. There are several big time showcases and several second tier showcases you should consider doing. Be realistic about where your son is at or you will wind up wasting a ton of money. If you believe your son is ready to get looked at, start sending out emails to the coaches of the schools your son is interested in.

The list of showcases (IMHO)

Fall:

Philly Showcase. Hard to get in, but well worth it.

Jake Reed Fall showcase. Again, hard to get in.

Winter:

3d Blue Chip. A play in camp for Jake Reed summer.

Spring/Summer:

Adrenaline Black Card. Among the best. First class all the way. Loaded with D1 coaches.

Maverick Showtime. Probably the premier showcase out there right now.

Jake Reed summer. Again, top notch.

Top205: Ive heard mixed reviews, lower D1, upper D2-D3 coaches in attendance.

Blue Chip 225: Lot of upper D3, some top D1. Nicely run camp up at Bryant.

Based on what club team you play for you might be attending some showcase tournaments as well.

Top Tourneys (IMHO)

Crabfeast. Top competition. D1 Coaches everywhere.

Adrenaline Platinum. Great event, D1 coaches everywhere.

fl$ in 3d. Great tourney. Poorly run this year from a parking standpoint but a lot of coaches and top competition.

Im sure Im missing some but this is my list. Word of advice, dont do too much, you will burn him out. Do one or two showcases and whatever tourneys your club team is doing. You have plenty of time, hes only a 2018. Everyone is panicking but the reality is that most kids get recruited going into their junior or senior years.

Good luck and enjoy the journey, you only do it once.




Wow, what a great/thoughtful response. Exactly what this site should be about rather the non-stop bashing and trashing that goes on.

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2017 parents,

2018 parent here looking for advice on individual showcases to attend as a freshman.

FALL:
I've been told the Phhily Freshman showcase is the best any experience?
What about Jake Reed Fall?
Also is one showcase enough for the fall or should I throw money at multiple people?

SUMMER:
How many individual showcases should we attend next summer?

I assume answers will vary based on expectations.
-Top Tier D1
-Mid Tier D1
-Lower Tier D1
-Top Tier D II/III
-Lower Tier D II/III

Also, what is the right time to sit down and write your 1st letter to the schools of interest?

Any feedback and help is appreciated - THANKS!!

My son is a 2017 and we just finished up this summer and it is definitely a gauntlet. There are several big time showcases and several second tier showcases you should consider doing. Be realistic about where your son is at or you will wind up wasting a ton of money. If you believe your son is ready to get looked at, start sending out emails to the coaches of the schools your son is interested in.

The list of showcases (IMHO)

Fall:

Philly Showcase. Hard to get in, but well worth it.

Jake Reed Fall showcase. Again, hard to get in.

Winter:

3d Blue Chip. A play in camp for Jake Reed summer.

Spring/Summer:

Adrenaline Black Card. Among the best. First class all the way. Loaded with D1 coaches.

Maverick Showtime. Probably the premier showcase out there right now.

Jake Reed summer. Again, top notch.

Top205: Ive heard mixed reviews, lower D1, upper D2-D3 coaches in attendance.

Blue Chip 225: Lot of upper D3, some top D1. Nicely run camp up at Bryant.

Based on what club team you play for you might be attending some showcase tournaments as well.

Top Tourneys (IMHO)

Crabfeast. Top competition. D1 Coaches everywhere.

Adrenaline Platinum. Great event, D1 coaches everywhere.

fl$ in 3d. Great tourney. Poorly run this year from a parking standpoint but a lot of coaches and top competition.

Im sure Im missing some but this is my list. Word of advice, dont do too much, you will burn him out. Do one or two showcases and whatever tourneys your club team is doing. You have plenty of time, hes only a 2018. Everyone is panicking but the reality is that most kids get recruited going into their junior or senior years.

Good luck and enjoy the journey, you only do it once.




Wow, what a great/thoughtful response. Exactly what this site should be about rather the non-stop bashing and trashing that goes on.


Was just going to write the same thing!

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2017 parents,

2018 parent here looking for advice on individual showcases to attend as a freshman.

FALL:
I've been told the Phhily Freshman showcase is the best any experience?
What about Jake Reed Fall?
Also is one showcase enough for the fall or should I throw money at multiple people?

SUMMER:
How many individual showcases should we attend next summer?

I assume answers will vary based on expectations.
-Top Tier D1
-Mid Tier D1
-Lower Tier D1
-Top Tier D II/III
-Lower Tier D II/III

Also, what is the right time to sit down and write your 1st letter to the schools of interest?

Any feedback and help is appreciated - THANKS!!

My son is a 2017 and we just finished up this summer and it is definitely a gauntlet. There are several big time showcases and several second tier showcases you should consider doing. Be realistic about where your son is at or you will wind up wasting a ton of money. If you believe your son is ready to get looked at, start sending out emails to the coaches of the schools your son is interested in.

The list of showcases (IMHO)

Fall:

Philly Showcase. Hard to get in, but well worth it.

Jake Reed Fall showcase. Again, hard to get in.

Winter:

3d Blue Chip. A play in camp for Jake Reed summer.

Spring/Summer:

Adrenaline Black Card. Among the best. First class all the way. Loaded with D1 coaches.

Maverick Showtime. Probably the premier showcase out there right now.

Jake Reed summer. Again, top notch.

Top205: Ive heard mixed reviews, lower D1, upper D2-D3 coaches in attendance.

Blue Chip 225: Lot of upper D3, some top D1. Nicely run camp up at Bryant.

Based on what club team you play for you might be attending some showcase tournaments as well.

Top Tourneys (IMHO)

Crabfeast. Top competition. D1 Coaches everywhere.

Adrenaline Platinum. Great event, D1 coaches everywhere.

fl$ in 3d. Great tourney. Poorly run this year from a parking standpoint but a lot of coaches and top competition.

Im sure Im missing some but this is my list. Word of advice, dont do too much, you will burn him out. Do one or two showcases and whatever tourneys your club team is doing. You have plenty of time, hes only a 2018. Everyone is panicking but the reality is that most kids get recruited going into their junior or senior years.

Good luck and enjoy the journey, you only do it once.




Good advice given up there and the order of significance is spot on also.
Just went through it as well and agree about the parking debacle!!

Jake reed going into 9th grade wasn't as attended by D1 coaches as it was for rising sophs this summer.

Philly showcase is the true early indicator. Get into the fab40 all star game and your coach's phone will be ringing off of the hook.

The part about writing letters to coaches is a gray area. Some coaches may read them and most are ambivalent about them. The scouts are out there. They have particular needs and rolls to fill that all end up with great players but their MO of obtaining them and contacting varies greatly.

I was actually told by one very high level D1 coach that he deletes all emails requesting that he come to such and such tournaments to watch s and so player. These guys are and have been analyzing your kid's team already if it's an elite team and are culling out the kids they have an interest in.

Now that the "horror" of recruiting 9th graders has been somewhat desensitized; I imagine that this next group of 9th graders will be even more aggressively pursued.

Beg borrow and or steal and get into the showcases mentioned. Not only your club coach can make recommendations for these (HS, private coaches and friends who know directors....). It can become a "who you know " situation so get on it ASAP.

Bottom line is: if the kid has talent; they will find him sooner or later. There are a lot of spots to fill so don't get overwhelmed. Enjoy watching the games and keep it fun for your kid. They generate their own amount of tension through the process so try not to add to it. Just keep him in the game mentally and enjoy the experience together.

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2017 parents,

2018 parent here looking for advice on individual showcases to attend as a freshman.

FALL:
I've been told the Phhily Freshman showcase is the best any experience?
What about Jake Reed Fall?
Also is one showcase enough for the fall or should I throw money at multiple people?

SUMMER:
How many individual showcases should we attend next summer?

I assume answers will vary based on expectations.
-Top Tier D1
-Mid Tier D1
-Lower Tier D1
-Top Tier D II/III
-Lower Tier D II/III

Also, what is the right time to sit down and write your 1st letter to the schools of interest?

Any feedback and help is appreciated - THANKS!!

My son is a 2017 and we just finished up this summer and it is definitely a gauntlet. There are several big time showcases and several second tier showcases you should consider doing. Be realistic about where your son is at or you will wind up wasting a ton of money. If you believe your son is ready to get looked at, start sending out emails to the coaches of the schools your son is interested in.

The list of showcases (IMHO)

Fall:

Philly Showcase. Hard to get in, but well worth it.

Jake Reed Fall showcase. Again, hard to get in.

Winter:

3d Blue Chip. A play in camp for Jake Reed summer.

Spring/Summer:

Adrenaline Black Card. Among the best. First class all the way. Loaded with D1 coaches.

Maverick Showtime. Probably the premier showcase out there right now.

Jake Reed summer. Again, top notch.

Top205: Ive heard mixed reviews, lower D1, upper D2-D3 coaches in attendance.

Blue Chip 225: Lot of upper D3, some top D1. Nicely run camp up at Bryant.

Based on what club team you play for you might be attending some showcase tournaments as well.

Top Tourneys (IMHO)

Crabfeast. Top competition. D1 Coaches everywhere.

Adrenaline Platinum. Great event, D1 coaches everywhere.

fl$ in 3d. Great tourney. Poorly run this year from a parking standpoint but a lot of coaches and top competition.

Im sure Im missing some but this is my list. Word of advice, dont do too much, you will burn him out. Do one or two showcases and whatever tourneys your club team is doing. You have plenty of time, hes only a 2018. Everyone is panicking but the reality is that most kids get recruited going into their junior or senior years.

Good luck and enjoy the journey, you only do it once.




Good advice given up there and the order of significance is spot on also.
Just went through it as well and agree about the parking debacle!!

Jake reed going into 9th grade wasn't as attended by D1 coaches as it was for rising sophs this summer.

Philly showcase is the true early indicator. Get into the fab40 all star game and your coach's phone will be ringing off of the hook.

The part about writing letters to coaches is a gray area. Some coaches may read them and most are ambivalent about them. The scouts are out there. They have particular needs and rolls to fill that all end up with great players but their MO of obtaining them and contacting varies greatly.

I was actually told by one very high level D1 coach that he deletes all emails requesting that he come to such and such tournaments to watch s and so player. These guys are and have been analyzing your kid's team already if it's an elite team and are culling out the kids they have an interest in.

Now that the "horror" of recruiting 9th graders has been somewhat desensitized; I imagine that this next group of 9th graders will be even more aggressively pursued.

Beg borrow and or steal and get into the showcases mentioned. Not only your club coach can make recommendations for these (HS, private coaches and friends who know directors....). It can become a "who you know " situation so get on it ASAP.

Bottom line is: if the kid has talent; they will find him sooner or later. There are a lot of spots to fill so don't get overwhelmed. Enjoy watching the games and keep it fun for your kid. They generate their own amount of tension through the process so try not to add to it. Just keep him in the game mentally and enjoy the experience together.


Another great/thoughtful response - what is going on here? Is it a full moon? Exactly what this site should be about. Thank you poster.

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My two cents:

As a parent of a 2017 who just went through this summer with the added stress of "getting looked at" I have come to a few conclusions, they may be right or maybe wrong but they are all IMHO:

It seems that a good portion of the kids that are getting recruited are kids that have some connection to the schools they are committing to. IE, parents are alums, sibling attends, etc. Nothing wrong with this of course but it is a factor.

The whole thing seems to be a bit overhyped. As of now there are roughly 100 2017 commits. Id like to see the data on the amount of 2016 kids committed at the same time last year, but I would guess its not far off.

Lot of waste of time money grabs out there. Lot of "prospect days" and "clinics" and "camps" that profess to be showcases. We all know what the real showcases are and unless your son is specifically requested at a college prospect day, save your time and money.

I think the question in my mind is not "can" my son commit, but "should" my son commit. I dont know about most of your 2017's, but mine cant make up his mind what he wants for breakfast, nevermind what college he wants to go to. I think this speaks to where you think your son is at, if you think hes ready to make that sort of life changing decision, then so be it.

My son was at a very well attended college recruiting showcase camp over the summer where he made the all star team. The director of the camp spoke to all the all star kids and told them, and I quote "just relax, go out and have fun, the fact is that 70 percent of college lacrosse players get recruited going into their senior years" I think that speaks for itself.

In closing, to me unless your kid has some connection to the university, or hes a freak of nature, or older and more mature, or he has a great day at a showcase and draws attention, these next two years should be about getting better, getting on the radar of the schools hes interested in and getting ready to make the most important decision of his life.

To all those parents whose 2017 son has committed I say congratulations and best of luck, and to the rest of us wallowing in uncertainty and stress I say enjoy the ride, these are the best times of your life with your son, treasure every minute of it, because before you know it'll be all over.

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Really great advice and I'll add my two cents.

I think you have to look at the events you attend with your club team and individual showcases. Our son plays on a good club team, but I would say the club directors make a concerted effort to market certain kids and for the most part those kids wind up making the "all star" games. Now some of those selected absolutely deserved it, but we were always scratching our collective heads about who was getting pushed. Your club may be different, but the interesting thing was that four kids are getting heavily recruited now, and they were seen at events where our club team wasn't involved. So if your club team is like this make sure you play some free agent events where your son has a clear slate so to speak to showcase his abilities.

I keep hearing that Maverik has supplanted Jake Reed and that may very well be the case. That being said, all I think you can ask for is the chance to show yourself, and at the 2017 JR this summer, anybody and everybody was there. In most cases 2-3 coaches per school were there where the one or two would watch and then at half the other ones would rotate over and watch.

Second the comments on the two Philly Showcase events.

I think it pays to be proactive with college coaches. I know it has certainly helped my son. I just think you have to be smart about the timing of your letters.

As far a prospect camps go, I would tell you to call or have your club or high school coach call to see where your son stands. At least in our experience the college coaches have been very candid. It saved us some money in some instances, and allowed us to better target 2-3 schools where there was a lot of interest and they wanted one more up close evaluation before making a decision.

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You ever hear the expression "You missed the boat" If you get a few offers then your son needs to make a decision if not those offers disappear because the recruiting budget is only so big if you want money. If money isnt a factor any coach would love to take a player and not pay because he has nothing to lose its win/win. Hopefully the kid is good enough and the coach will pay some down the road, but like I mentioned if money is not a factor you could take as much time as your child needs. Good luck.
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My two cents:

As a parent of a 2017 who just went through this summer with the added stress of "getting looked at" I have come to a few conclusions, they may be right or maybe wrong but they are all IMHO:

It seems that a good portion of the kids that are getting recruited are kids that have some connection to the schools they are committing to. IE, parents are alums, sibling attends, etc. Nothing wrong with this of course but it is a factor.

The whole thing seems to be a bit overhyped. As of now there are roughly 100 2017 commits. Id like to see the data on the amount of 2016 kids committed at the same time last year, but I would guess its not far off.

Lot of waste of time money grabs out there. Lot of "prospect days" and "clinics" and "camps" that profess to be showcases. We all know what the real showcases are and unless your son is specifically requested at a college prospect day, save your time and money.

I think the question in my mind is not "can" my son commit, but "should" my son commit. I dont know about most of your 2017's, but mine cant make up his mind what he wants for breakfast, nevermind what college he wants to go to. I think this speaks to where you think your son is at, if you think hes ready to make that sort of life changing decision, then so be it.

My son was at a very well attended college recruiting showcase camp over the summer where he made the all star team. The director of the camp spoke to all the all star kids and told them, and I quote "just relax, go out and have fun, the fact is that 70 percent of college lacrosse players get recruited going into their senior years" I think that speaks for itself.

In closing, to me unless your kid has some connection to the university, or hes a freak of nature, or older and more mature, or he has a great day at a showcase and draws attention, these next two years should be about getting better, getting on the radar of the schools hes interested in and getting ready to make the most important decision of his life.

To all those parents whose 2017 son has committed I say congratulations and best of luck, and to the rest of us wallowing in uncertainty and stress I say enjoy the ride, these are the best times of your life with your son, treasure every minute of it, because before you know it'll be all over.

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So what happens with the Ivys? Since they wait until the kids have a year of grades and possibly an SAT under their belt, do kids that really want to go Ivy just sit and turn down other colleges? I can only imagine the stress of having offers from ND and VA, but wanting to see if the IVY of your choice is interested. Do the Ivy coaches talk to the kids prior, and give an indication if they are interested in the kids? I know there have been a lot of recent transfers and one or two kids that have decommitted to a school in favor of another, but I would hate to think that decommitting would become a trend. Any idea how this works?

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An Ivy doesn't offer any money athletically and if you could afford to send your child there then I would choose that route if he is that smart there is some leeway grade wise but not much & all the schools are in the northeast which makes traveling that much easier to see him play and the job opportunities are endless.

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DeCommitting is the next logical trend (on players and coaches sides)....

It will be the natural corrective action to this impossible process of predicting ideal college fits between player vs. program, student vs. university academic standards...

the whole early verbal committment was originally a recruiting tactic to land the next Lebron of Lacrosse... If there are only 5 of the 100 early commits found in the Lebron catagory, everyone (in this forum) who payed attention, would be shocked...

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DeCommitting is the next logical trend (on players and coaches sides)....

It will be the natural corrective action to this impossible process of predicting ideal college fits between player vs. program, student vs. university academic standards...

the whole early verbal committment was originally a recruiting tactic to land the next Lebron of Lacrosse... If there are only 5 of the 100 early commits found in the Lebron catagory, everyone (in this forum) who payed attention, would be shocked...


The trend might be about reaching the tipping point... The schools that are waiting just a little longer to recruit seem to be doing better...

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So what happens with the Ivys? Since they wait until the kids have a year of grades and possibly an SAT under their belt, do kids that really want to go Ivy just sit and turn down other colleges? I can only imagine the stress of having offers from ND and VA, but wanting to see if the IVY of your choice is interested. Do the Ivy coaches talk to the kids prior, and give an indication if they are interested in the kids? I know there have been a lot of recent transfers and one or two kids that have decommitted to a school in favor of another, but I would hate to think that decommitting would become a trend. Any idea how this works?


Oh to have such problems! Life is about choices and these would be some that 99.9% of kids and their parents would kill to have. Very important to keep perspective.....and if UVA v ND v Ivy is the biggest problem in your son's life I can only say relax, count your blessings and be happy.

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Maybe you should work in a soup kitchen and give back. Then maybe you will put life into perspective.

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basketball does it right... The number 1 ranked player in the nation for the 2015 class is uncommitted.

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So what happens with the Ivys? Since they wait until the kids have a year of grades and possibly an SAT under their belt, do kids that really want to go Ivy just sit and turn down other colleges? I can only imagine the stress of having offers from ND and VA, but wanting to see if the IVY of your choice is interested. Do the Ivy coaches talk to the kids prior, and give an indication if they are interested in the kids? I know there have been a lot of recent transfers and one or two kids that have decommitted to a school in favor of another, but I would hate to think that decommitting would become a trend. Any idea how this works?




Oh to have such problems! Life is about choices and these would be some that 99.9% of kids and their parents would kill to have. Very important to keep perspective.....and if UVA v ND v Ivy is the biggest problem in your son's life I can only say relax, count your blessings and be happy.


check the express thread, several 2017 commits to ivies

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how many times can it be said you can not do anything beyond saying you are committing to the application process to an IVYm big difference than getting a likely letter and likely letters do not go out till fall of Senior year, these kids are just sophomores. Admissions makes the decision for IVYs not the coach. If the essay stinks or the interview tanks, or the recs are bad a coach can want this kid but admissions has the final say.

There are tips and slots, the coach can give a slot to one of these kids, BUT if a kids scores are not over the IVY minimum AI, it won't happen.
Obtaining the minimum Academic Index for Harvard is no easy task, and if the kid is fortunate enough to get the SAT/ACT scores,GPA of an unhooked admit, well then the kid got there by his academics and could have gotten in anyway.

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So what happens with the Ivys? Since they wait until the kids have a year of grades and possibly an SAT under their belt, do kids that really want to go Ivy just sit and turn down other colleges? I can only imagine the stress of having offers from ND and VA, but wanting to see if the IVY of your choice is interested. Do the Ivy coaches talk to the kids prior, and give an indication if they are interested in the kids? I know there have been a lot of recent transfers and one or two kids that have decommitted to a school in favor of another, but I would hate to think that decommitting would become a trend. Any idea how this works?


Decommittimg is going to start happening more and more, on both ends. Kids and colleges should NOT be making these decisions before the end of their Junior/start of their Senior year. I would be curious to see how many of the real early commits end up being happy with their school of choice!

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So what happens with the Ivys? Since they wait until the kids have a year of grades and possibly an SAT under their belt, do kids that really want to go Ivy just sit and turn down other colleges? I can only imagine the stress of having offers from ND and VA, but wanting to see if the IVY of your choice is interested. Do the Ivy coaches talk to the kids prior, and give an indication if they are interested in the kids? I know there have been a lot of recent transfers and one or two kids that have decommitted to a school in favor of another, but I would hate to think that decommitting would become a trend. Any idea how this works?


Decommittimg is going to start happening more and more, on both ends. Kids and colleges should NOT be making these decisions before the end of their Junior/start of their Senior year. I would be curious to see how many of the real early commits end up being happy with their school of choice!


No school will de-commit. Think about it, if said school de-commits a kid for a better player, why would any top player ever commit to that school again for the foreseeable future? Injury or bad grades, off field issues it can happen, just talent wise? Doubtful. Interestingly, the schools who commit so early are taking all the risk. The kid can do whatever he wants. Many schools are now continuing to recruit committed kids. I believe, over time we will see a pull back on this very early committing.

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So what happens with the Ivys? Since they wait until the kids have a year of grades and possibly an SAT under their belt, do kids that really want to go Ivy just sit and turn down other colleges? I can only imagine the stress of having offers from ND and VA, but wanting to see if the IVY of your choice is interested. Do the Ivy coaches talk to the kids prior, and give an indication if they are interested in the kids? I know there have been a lot of recent transfers and one or two kids that have decommitted to a school in favor of another, but I would hate to think that decommitting would become a trend. Any idea how this works?


Decommittimg is going to start happening more and more, on both ends. Kids and colleges should NOT be making these decisions before the end of their Junior/start of their Senior year. I would be curious to see how many of the real early commits end up being happy with their school of choice!


No school will de-commit. Think about it, if said school de-commits a kid for a better player, why would any top player ever commit to that school again for the foreseeable future? Injury or bad grades, off field issues it can happen, just talent wise? Doubtful. Interestingly, the schools who commit so early are taking all the risk. The kid can do whatever he wants. Many schools are now continuing to recruit committed kids. I believe, over time we will see a pull back on this very early committing.


It is very unlikely that a school will de-commit. More likely, if they see someone else they like better, they will just continue to add to the class list and let the players react. For example, a list of 15 players for the 2017 class at a particular school would tell me that maybe someone may not see some playing time. The players will figure it out and act on their own.

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So what happens with the Ivys? Since they wait until the kids have a year of grades and possibly an SAT under their belt, do kids that really want to go Ivy just sit and turn down other colleges? I can only imagine the stress of having offers from ND and VA, but wanting to see if the IVY of your choice is interested. Do the Ivy coaches talk to the kids prior, and give an indication if they are interested in the kids? I know there have been a lot of recent transfers and one or two kids that have decommitted to a school in favor of another, but I would hate to think that decommitting would become a trend. Any idea how this works?


Decommittimg is going to start happening more and more, on both ends. Kids and colleges should NOT be making these decisions before the end of their Junior/start of their Senior year. I would be curious to see how many of the real early commits end up being happy with their school of choice!


No school will de-commit. Think about it, if said school de-commits a kid for a better player, why would any top player ever commit to that school again for the foreseeable future? Injury or bad grades, off field issues it can happen, just talent wise? Doubtful. Interestingly, the schools who commit so early are taking all the risk. The kid can do whatever he wants. Many schools are now continuing to recruit committed kids. I believe, over time we will see a pull back on this very early committing.


It is very unlikely that a school will de-commit. More likely, if they see someone else they like better, they will just continue to add to the class list and let the players react. For example, a list of 15 players for the 2017 class at a particular school would tell me that maybe someone may not see some playing time. The players will figure it out and act on their own.


This is just another way of de-committing, but in not a blatant way. If this trend of early recruiting continues you will see lots of unhappy players and coaches in the future. I am sorry, you have no idea who is going to be the best 4 years from now, and while players and parents get all excited because a school wants them when they are 14 years old, it really means nothing.

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Let's be clear, what is going to happen for the big money grabbers who run the showcases and tourneys that already committed sophomores and juniors stop flocking to? Who is going to purchase film packages if their kids are committed? How will they justify all of this?

I think some of the colleges "decommiting" will be in the form of loss of aid, or inability of the coach to lean on admissions. That way the coach saves face and the parents aren't going to run around telling people Johnny was dropped because he got a crummy SAT, or didn't do well in school.

My kid is pretty close to making a decision, if he does, he will still travel with his club it will be less, our money and his time will be spent on strength and speed coaches (so he gets a chance to get on the field and stays injury free once he starts college) instead of film and hotel rooms at showcase events.

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Look at UNC's '17 commits..lots of middies and attack, good number in the '16 class as well..going to be a lot of unhappy kids on the sidelines, but, they are getting a UNC education...take the good with the bad

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going to be a lot of unhappy kids on the sidelines, but, they are getting a UNC education...take the good with the bad

NCAA Investigation
or maybe you are taking the bad with the bad

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going to be a lot of unhappy kids on the sidelines, but, they are getting a UNC education...take the good with the bad

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Ha, good point, I should have said a UNC diploma!

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going to be a lot of unhappy kids on the sidelines, but, they are getting a UNC education...take the good with the bad

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Not going to matter, the NCAA just ceded a tremendous amount of power to the big 5 conferences, they will be writing there own rules going forward. It was either that or the big 5 leaving Div I and creating their own division.

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These are some really thoughtful comments, thanks. My son is still in the recruiting process and I think his coach who has a lot of lacrosse credibility said, if you are good enough, the coaches will find a spot and money for you. If not, D3 and have fun...don't stop working. We also know one family whose kid finished his first year on the bench at UVa. I trust what they tell our family, which is coaches will blow up recruiting classes. 15 NLI's in December means that the coaches don't see it for a few early commits...they didn't grow, improve, etc. The scholarship money gets re-shuffled every year. Anyone who believes otherwise is misled. A coach can promise you 50% today and re-evaluate and make 5% later if the kid drops on the depth chart. It can be rough to be a former HS star at a UVa getting $500 a year out of politeness until you decide to accept the bench, quit or transfer. That is a reality few kids will be prepared for, and a reality no proud lacrosse Dads will be ready to accept either. Dial up the college soph kid who just bolted UNC for Towson sometime like my son did...humble pie for lots of IL ranked kids who don't play a lot or at all because they didn't develop. Almost an early commit curse now.

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You are wrong about reshuffling money. That depends where they go. My son's scholarship can't go down only up. And we are committed 65% to big 10. You have to ask these questions!

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Another smithtown east boy commits to yale. Program on fire!

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Scholarships are year to year. Can always be changed. Stop believing everything the coac tells you. They are re-evaluated on a yearly basis.

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These are some really thoughtful comments, thanks. My son is still in the recruiting process and I think his coach who has a lot of lacrosse credibility said, if you are good enough, the coaches will find a spot and money for you. If not, D3 and have fun...don't stop working. We also know one family whose kid finished his first year on the bench at UVa. I trust what they tell our family, which is coaches will blow up recruiting classes. 15 NLI's in December means that the coaches don't see it for a few early commits...they didn't grow, improve, etc. The scholarship money gets re-shuffled every year. Anyone who believes otherwise is misled. A coach can promise you 50% today and re-evaluate and make 5% later if the kid drops on the depth chart. It can be rough to be a former HS star at a UVa getting $500 a year out of politeness until you decide to accept the bench, quit or transfer. That is a reality few kids will be prepared for, and a reality no proud lacrosse Dads will be ready to accept either. Dial up the college soph kid who just bolted UNC for Towson sometime like my son did...humble pie for lots of IL ranked kids who don't play a lot or at all because they didn't develop. Almost an early commit curse now.

I agree, this early commit stuff is going to be a curse in the long run, trust me, if a kid is a junior or senior and they are a star (even though they were nothing in 8th/9th grade) they will surely end up on a great team and beat out early commits that fizzled out! No one knows what will happen until you get on campus and prove yourself.

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Scholarships are year to year. Can always be changed. Stop believing everything the coac tells you. They are re-evaluated on a yearly basis.


That might just be one of the dumbest comments yet, "Stop believing what your coach tells you??" Every program works a little different, you need to listen carefully. I know what was told to my son, you may have a different agreement, but my son's scholarship will not change as long as he follows the rules, attend practice, etc.

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These are some really thoughtful comments, thanks. My son is still in the recruiting process and I think his coach who has a lot of lacrosse credibility said, if you are good enough, the coaches will find a spot and money for you. If not, D3 and have fun...don't stop working. We also know one family whose kid finished his first year on the bench at UVa. I trust what they tell our family, which is coaches will blow up recruiting classes. 15 NLI's in December means that the coaches don't see it for a few early commits...they didn't grow, improve, etc. The scholarship money gets re-shuffled every year. Anyone who believes otherwise is misled. A coach can promise you 50% today and re-evaluate and make 5% later if the kid drops on the depth chart. It can be rough to be a former HS star at a UVa getting $500 a year out of politeness until you decide to accept the bench, quit or transfer. That is a reality few kids will be prepared for, and a reality no proud lacrosse Dads will be ready to accept either. Dial up the college soph kid who just bolted UNC for Towson sometime like my son did...humble pie for lots of IL ranked kids who don't play a lot or at all because they didn't develop. Almost an early commit curse now.

I agree, this early commit stuff is going to be a curse in the long run, trust me, if a kid is a junior or senior and they are a star (even though they were nothing in 8th/9th grade) they will surely end up on a great team and beat out early commits that fizzled out! No one knows what will happen until you get on campus and prove yourself.


Are we STILL saying "early commits" are BAD on a now SOPH thread?? 8 months ago wants it topic back. All of you that come on here and KNOCK "early commits" are either not recruited yet OR not in recruiting process yet (there is a difference!!)

ANYONE of you would JUMP if your kid was offered the chance to sit down in a D1 coaches office and discuss the chance for your son to got a slot on a given 2017 class slot for a D1 program. As far as 8 months ago, you would've JUMPED than also. Loads of envy & bitterness here from several of you.

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Scholarships are year to year. Can always be changed. Stop believing everything the coac tells you. They are re-evaluated on a yearly basis.


That might just be one of the dumbest comments yet, "Stop believing what your coach tells you??" Every program works a little different, you need to listen carefully. I know what was told to my son, you may have a different agreement, but my son's scholarship will not change as long as he follows the rules, attend practice, etc.


Whatever isn't in writing, was never said. Know an ACC recruit who after his freshman year was told by the coach "we can't use you anymore". BYE. IL highly ranked kid... The coach by the way is known as "a really good guy"... I wish everyone all the best, point is, keep your eyes wide open. It's a business folks.

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Dumb statement?? Are you serious? You don't think the coach is going to tell you exactly what YOU want to hear. Your sons scholarship is renewed on a yearly basis. If the coach feels someone else is deserving, that kid will get the money. You are delusional if you think because the coach told you so your sons scholarship is safe. That is not the way it works. No matter what the coach says. Just asking: what if the kid gets there and is in way over his head lax wise, do you really think the coach is going to keep his scholarship intact? No he won't.

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Dumb statement?? Are you serious? You don't think the coach is going to tell you exactly what YOU want to hear. Your sons scholarship is renewed on a yearly basis. If the coach feels someone else is deserving, that kid will get the money. You are delusional if you think because the coach told you so your sons scholarship is safe. That is not the way it works. No matter what the coach says. Just asking: what if the kid gets there and is in way over his head lax wise, do you really think the coach is going to keep his scholarship intact? No he won't.


All I know is that what was said to us was very clear. My son is a kid who committed very early and is now much better that when he was being recruited, and getting better offers, who knows we may even ask for more or decommit. Everything will be in writing before anything is signed, I'm not at all concerned.

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Another smithtown east boy commits to yale. Program on fire!


A Turtle?

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The only sports where money is not re-shuffled every year is football and basketball. In every other sport there are not full scholarships for everyone. When coach promises your 15 year old and you something, it is always subject to change later. Today he may see the kid as a four year starter, as a HS senior that evaluation can change. What leverage do you as a parent have then? Dial up other progams that are full looking for a new deal? If some walk on showed up and made All-ACC you think coach is stuck because he told some other kid as a 15 year old he was 65%? Dream on. You whack the kid who sits down and take care of the players who are producing on the field.

A lacrosse Dad's leverage to "listen for better offers" for his committed 2017 -- besides being sleazy -- runs out when the spots are gone. I respect Starsia a lot. You get a spot now, you get a money indication now and he is transparent that the money is finalized later when they are seniors in HS. Sure beats lying to kids saying it is a four year deal. It is a four year deal if yiu don't suck, then it is a one year. I also question your intrinsic trust of what coaches tell you...the same coaches who are recruiting their rival's commits while having a full 2017 class already. Golly, if Petro picks off somebody else's #1, is it free or is he going to pull some from a kid committed to him already who he rates less now? If any of this hits a nerve, get real pal or get sad later.

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All I know is that what was said to us was very clear. My son is a kid who committed very early and is now much better that when he was being recruited, and getting better offers, who knows we may even ask for more or decommit. Everything will be in writing before anything is signed, I'm not at all concerned. [/quote]

Dude, let me speak from first hand experience. The law of the jungle is you fight to see the field and to keep your money. My favorite day of the season was the first day when the freshman would come to the first practice and leave stunned that the nicest guy who was going to be their coach turned into someone rough who didn't care about them anymore and only wanted performance on the field.

What do you think the same coach who promised your deal said to the last three kids who commit with no money and just an admissions spot. Come here, kick some [lacrosse], start and make All America and remain a walk on for four years? Other kids as your son's position beat him down to 3rd or 4th string and NO, he does not sit there for 4 years with the money. Invest in some tissue for those tears coming soon if you believe otherwise.

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Another smithtown east boy commits to yale. Program on fire!


A Turtle?


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