US Lacrosse Community Forum Forums NORTHEAST LACROSSE BOTC MAIN FORUM (LI, CT, WC) Boys 2019 Fall 2013/Summer 2014

You aren't to far off base, but all of your points still happen in Travel.
It just exists more in PAL and much less on the AA's but still exists inbetween.

Please use this thread for the new seasonal year's discussion of Boys 2019 action.

Replayed from the Previous Season Year Boys 2019 Thread

91 Orange has played 12 games this Fall including the Express, Outlaws, Dukes and Legacy (2x). Most of the other teams were decent, not great, but not exactly pushovers either. We did not always play great, but we managed to win them all. The most competitive were Express and Dukes but Legacy is very solid and will be a team to contend with next Spring. I dont think the results really should translate to being on the top of some meaningless list which is only written to stir the pot, but we learned where we need work, and we also learned that the competition gets better every year as you get older. BTW, i know this is like throwing a lit match on gasoline, but 91 Crush belongs at or near the top of any list that involves LI 2019 or 2020. I know that can be a bitter one to swallow but like it or not, they can beat most of the teams on that 2019 list on any given day - some easilly, even maybe the DD assuming cloning people becomes ethically acceptable!

Replayed from the Previous Season Year's Boys 2019 Thread

Okay a few teams have had a few games practices scrimmages under their belts and some have even played against the others. Presuming the below list is the list representing the LI AA/A teams for 2019 (alphabetically).

• What's your take on the grade?
• Are the Schedules posted for these teams so we will know who will potentially play whom?
• Can we at least say we will all go to Lax fest. By then all of our boys should be hitting their stride.

2019 list As of Fall 2013

91 O
DD
Express wolves
fl$
Greys
Jesters
Legacy
Outlaws
Revolution
Team LI
True Blue

91 has now played a few of the teams, you may be the best gauge on the grade, what is your take on how 2019 will represent?

My son said one of the all greys boys that played at NYIT on Sunday played with DD's on Saturday at Oyster Bay......is "all grey" a town team?

How have the All Greys been doing so far?

They've had a lot of kids come and go they used to have kids from Gladiators and Kingspark . Solid B team

All Greys only play in A tourneys for 2019. Could be a B, Could be an A depending on how you rate the other teams. Havent beaten the top 3, but split with true blue and outlaws black last year, beat white. tied team LI. the entire core came back and have improved at every position. Time will tell.

All Greys only play in A tourneys for 2019. Could be a B, Could be an A depending on how you rate the other teams. Havent beaten the top 3, but split with true blue and outlaws black last year, beat white. tied team LI. the entire core came back and have improved at every position. Time will tell.

The Greys played in Princeton and went 3-1 and went 3-0 at NYIT.

I haven't seen DD at Laxfest in years..maybe never.

He won't play without the crush kids I guess..

A lot of kids come and go from the all greys in inaccurate. nice family team

Which A teams did they beat on Sunday?

They are a nice family team but their goalie just left and is playing with 91 orange

Greys' goalie is the same as last year, please try to have your information correct before posting about a 12 year old boy. They are a solid non-profit team, A or B who cares! It is about the kids getting better and having fun.

Who ran the NYIT tournament last weekend? I didnt see any advertisement. What ages played ?

What A teams did white play on Sunday?

91 white....my mistake, i believe that they played sat, not sunday....who did they play?

91 white....my mistake, i believe that they played sat, not sunday....who did they play?

They played house of sports, Team SUperstar 2019 and NH Tomahawks Purple. Both of those teams are listed as A/AA with there organizations. Purple won the A division at the Harvard Fall tournament a few weeks earlier. They beat HOS 7-1, Superstar 7-3 and Tomahawks 7-1. They then played Black Dog which was a 2018 team that was somehow placed in the 2019 bracket. They lost 6-4. I'm not saying you said it, but they have beaten A level teams before and somehow are still looked down upon because they are the second team in the organization. Are they as good as Orange, no, are they as good as Crush maybe not but they will give them a competitive game. They beat fl$ last year, NJ Patriot, Smithtown A, The Terps 2020 and beat PowerCrush once which is really the All Greys. They also beat Riptide multiple times which is now Legacy and somehow those teams are on someone's imaginary list. The Jester's played almost all B tournaments last year and had a hard time winning and again, they are on the list. 91 White isn't because they are the org's second team and people won't accpet a 2nd or even a third team being competitive within the same organization.

Trying to understand top Long Island Teams/Ages/Names. My son plays for nationally known WashDC based travel club, Madlax at U13. In past we have run into unbelievably skilled teams from Long Island, Dune Dogs and Express and others. I love the competition, but I can't keep them straight from year to year. Our teams are consistently named, so when you play a Madlax Orange you have the top team for the club in that age group. At youth our teams are USLacrosse U9-U15. HS by class year.
From what I read here Team 91 does 4 teams, 2 that are AA teams. Are all 4 team 2019's, by class? Would these teams be age qualified for u13 by USLacrosse? What are team names from top to bottom?
Long Island Express does 3 teams. All 2019s? USLacrosse U13s? Names top to bottom?
I have not seen Team Long Island or Superstar 365 in Mid Atlantic tourneys.
Summer of 2012 we got beaten badly (12-2? In our own tournament-ouch!) by a team named the Dune Dogs. I see passing reference to them but they don’t appear to be from Express or Team 91. Who are they? Same ?? about age qualifications
Mostly curious and would like to play all y'all again!
Virginia Lax Dad

LI pretty much goes by grade. Except maybe team LI for 2019. But i believe all 2019 are u13.

91
Orange.
White
Stampede
( with the caveat that Crush is a 2020 team. With some holdbacks that should be 2019 but this is a 2019 thread and they often play 2019 - is probably as good if not better than Orange - they claim the hold backs will be u13 eligible another year just late birthdays)

Express
Wolverines (used to be orange)
Terps (used to be blue)

Team LI goes by "U" designation.
Red
White

Dune Dawgs
Has some crush kids on top team. Other age groups of dune dawgs (actually calls themselves havoc dune dawgs) are not as strong as this one group/team of boys.

A few other teams are quality teams. Outlaws fl$ and a new organization Legacy. There are a few tournaments this weekend and thanksgiving weekend which may add some more color to the top teams. True blue (blue) used to be a top 2019 team but has fallen off a bit, top playr moved to DD. curious to see if they can rebuild.

But as far as second teams only 91s second teams are quality teams maybe maybe not A but very strong B.

LI pretty much goes by grade. Except maybe team LI for 2019. But i believe all 2019 are u13.

Trying to understand top Long Island Teams/Ages/Names. My son plays for nationally known WashDC based travel club, Madlax at U13. In past we have run into unbelievably skilled teams from Long Island, Dune Dogs and Express and others. I love the competition, but I can't keep them straight from year to year. Our teams are consistently named, so when you play a Madlax Orange you have the top team for the club in that age group. At youth our teams are USLacrosse U9-U15. HS by class year.
From what I read here Team 91 does 4 teams, 2 that are AA teams. Are all 4 team 2019's, by class? Would these teams be age qualified for u13 by USLacrosse? What are team names from top to bottom?
Long Island Express does 3 teams. All 2019s? USLacrosse U13s? Names top to bottom?
I have not seen Team Long Island or Superstar 365 in Mid Atlantic tourneys.
Summer of 2012 we got beaten badly (12-2? In our own tournament-ouch!) by a team named the Dune Dogs. I see passing reference to them but they don’t appear to be from Express or Team 91. Who are they? Same ?? about age qualifications
Mostly curious and would like to play all y'all again!
Virginia Lax Dad

Virginia Lax Dad - Keep in mind what this guy's talking about is all based on last summer, of course.

"ONLY" 91's second teams are quality teams? The teams were JUST created weeks ago, and you're already making these declarations? What team does your son play for, by the way?

This is correct. All Class of 2019 players are U/13 eligible however not all U/13 eligible players are graduating in the Class of 2019. The current age group conversion table appears below.

12/01/95 - 08/31/96 ... Class of 2014 ... 12th Grade ... U/18
09/01/96 - 11/30/96 ... Class of 2014 ... 12th Grade ... U/17

12/01/96 - 08/31/97 ... Class of 2015 ... 11th Grade ... U/17
09/01/97 - 11/30/97 ... Class of 2015 ... 11th Grade ... U/16

12/01/97 - 08/31/98 ... Class of 2016 ... 10th Grade ... U/16
09/01/98 - 11/30/98 ... Class of 2016 ... 10th Grade ... U/15

12/01/98 - 08/31/99 ... Class of 2017 ... 9th Grade .... U/15
09/01/99 - 11/30/99 ... Class of 2017 ... 9th Grade .... U/14

12/01/99 - 08/31/00 ... Class of 2018 ... 8th Grade .... U/14
09/01/00 - 11/30/00 ... Class of 2018 ... 8th Grade .... U/13

12/01/00 - 08/31/01 ... Class of 2019 ... 7th Grade .... U/13
09/01/01 - 11/30/01 ... Class of 2019 ... 7th Grade .... U/12

12/01/01 - 08/31/02 ... Class of 2020 ... 6th Grade .... U/12
09/01/02 - 11/30/02 ... Class of 2020 ... 6th Grade .... U/11

12/01/02 - 08/31/03 ... Class of 2021 ... 5th Grade .... U/11
09/01/03 - 11/30/03 ... Class of 2021 ... 5th Grade .... U/10

12/01/03 - 08/31/04 ... Class of 2022 ... 4rd Grade .... U/10
09/01/04 - 11/30/04 ... Class of 2022 ... 4rd Grade .... U/9

12/01/04 - 08/31/05 ... Class of 2023 ... 3nd Grade .... U/9
09/01/05 - 11/30/05 ... Class of 2023 ... 3nd Grade .... U/8

12/01/05 - 08/31/06 ... Class of 2024 ... 2nd Grade .... U/8
09/01/06 - 11/30/06 ... Class of 2024 ... 2nd Grade .... U/7

Trying to understand top Long Island Teams/Ages/Names. My son plays for nationally known WashDC based travel club, Madlax at U13. In past we have run into unbelievably skilled teams from Long Island, Dune Dogs and Express and others. I love the competition, but I can't keep them straight from year to year. Our teams are consistently named, so when you play a Madlax Orange you have the top team for the club in that age group. At youth our teams are USLacrosse U9-U15. HS by class year.
From what I read here Team 91 does 4 teams, 2 that are AA teams. Are all 4 team 2019's, by class? Would these teams be age qualified for u13 by USLacrosse? What are team names from top to bottom?
Long Island Express does 3 teams. All 2019s? USLacrosse U13s? Names top to bottom?
I have not seen Team Long Island or Superstar 365 in Mid Atlantic tourneys.
Summer of 2012 we got beaten badly (12-2? In our own tournament-ouch!) by a team named the Dune Dogs. I see passing reference to them but they don’t appear to be from Express or Team 91. Who are they? Same ?? about age qualifications
Mostly curious and would like to play all y'all again!
Virginia Lax Dad

meant to say Quality A (not just quality) team.

Id be happy to tell VLD which organizations second team plays at an A level. Can you tell me which second team from the organizations listed are "A" team competition. I also didn't list the other organizations top teams that were B. I gave him in what my opinion was a fair look on the LI landscape. of course things will change in the next few months, for right now I call it like I see it.

Or maybe since he lost 12-2 to DD which had the Crush kids (just look at the pictures) maybe your second team is just what they want. VLD you decide. That is what is great about this blog. One person says something it gets critiqued, but am I really off base.

As far as Second teams you are right. This is based loosely on LY and what I know from the limited games and practices as well as from the friends of my sons on these teams TY. I am sure this will get updated between now and May.

Express - not sure how they will be your right. But history has dictated the better 2019 players run as far away from that second team. It is a shame they could have what 91 has in white a solid top B am looking to break in as an A (with a 2020 team pushing them to stay on top of their game)

Dune Dawgs - Had a good second team not sure what has happened to them.

Team LI - Has a solid second team, but their tryouts are so early you never know. (could have been a miss but this organization is such a mystery when you see them play)

Outlaws silver /True Blue white /Legacy Renagades they all have second teams that will play against each other and play some good fun lacrosse. These second teams will also play against some of the other organizations and clubs (Jesters/Tomahawks/Million/Rampage/Vipers/365) top teams and will do well against them. This is the group that a boy or 2 will come out of and surprise everyone as a stand out after the hormones start kicking in at those different rates for 12/13 year olds.

Last year Rock and Madlax were going to merge and then the infamous e-mail from Madlax came out and Rock pulled out. So the Rock is back being the Rock with no affiliation with Madlax.
The 2019 team from last year stayed the same pretty much. Couple left the team and a couple joined.

LI pretty much goes by grade. Except maybe team LI for 2019. But i believe all 2019 are u13.

91
Orange.
White
Stampede
( with the caveat that Crush is a 2020 team. With some holdbacks that should be 2019 but this is a 2019 thread and they often play 2019 - is probably as good if not better than Orange - they claim the hold backs will be u13 eligible another year just late birthdays)

Express
Wolverines (used to be orange)
Terps (used to be blue)

Team LI goes by "U" designation.
Red
White

Dune Dawgs
Has some crush kids on top team. Other age groups of dune dawgs (actually calls themselves havoc dune dawgs) are not as strong as this one group/team of boys.

A few other teams are quality teams. Outlaws fl$ and a new organization Legacy. There are a few tournaments this weekend and thanksgiving weekend which may add some more color to the top teams. True blue (blue) used to be a top 2019 team but has fallen off a bit, top playr moved to DD. curious to see if they can rebuild.

But as far as second teams only 91s second teams are quality teams maybe maybe not A but very strong B.

Stay tuned on Dune Dawgs 2nd team this summer. They picked up some solid kids, and a new coach, and should be very competitive in the B brackets.

Who really cares about the DD, HDD or any other initials you want to call them. Besides from one team 2019 I think they added another A to it this year 2019AAA team they are not very competitive

Who really cares about the DD, HDD or any other initials you want to call them. Besides from one team 2019 I think they added another A to it this year 2019AAA team they are not very competitive

Just when the VA guy was saying what an interesting, respectful conversation this was, this knucklehead shows up!

This forum is better than any reality TV show!

Dancing with Cagesage !!! LOL

LI pretty much goes by grade. Except maybe team LI for 2019. But i believe all 2019 are u13.

91
Orange.
White
Stampede
( with the caveat that Crush is a 2020 team. With some holdbacks that should be 2019 but this is a 2019 thread and they often play 2019 - is probably as good if not better than Orange - they claim the hold backs will be u13 eligible another year just late birthdays)

Express
Wolverines (used to be orange)
Terps (used to be blue)

Team LI goes by "U" designation.
Red
White

Dune Dawgs
Has some crush kids on top team. Other age groups of dune dawgs (actually calls themselves havoc dune dawgs) are not as strong as this one group/team of boys.

A few other teams are quality teams. Outlaws fl$ and a new organization Legacy. There are a few tournaments this weekend and thanksgiving weekend which may add some more color to the top teams. True blue (blue) used to be a top 2019 team but has fallen off a bit, top playr moved to DD. curious to see if they can rebuild.

But as far as second teams only 91s second teams are quality teams maybe maybe not A but very strong B.

Virginia Lax Dad - Keep in mind what this guy's talking about is all based on last summer, of course.

"ONLY" 91's second teams are quality teams? The teams were JUST created weeks ago, and you're already making these declarations? What team does your son play for, by the way?

yes, this does get confusing even for people on LI because instead of using letter designations and potentially hurting someones's feelings, we now use colors, mammals and/or reptiles to designate the teams. As far as the age grouping is concerned, you dont have to worry if your child plays on a MD team. You are pretty much 6 mos. to one year older than the LI kids you are playing every time you step on the field unless you play up a bracket. Not whining, just a fact. For example, last year we played two MD tourneys, U13 category was - "born after September 1, 1999". The majority of the boys on my son's 2019 team were born in 2001 (a couple in 2002). So you dont have to be a math genius to know you are playing older kids (as if the 6" height difference doesnt tell you enough). Also, im afraid you guys down there may be taking a page out of our book - who the heck is Mad Rock? were they the Rock, Mad Lax, or some combination of both?

The organization is Havoc Dune Dawgs or HDD. The HDD 2019 Taylor team played at MadLax Capital classic 2 years in a row and were the champions of their brackets both times.

The organization has teams from grad years 2024 - Varsity. There was a merger between Havoc Lacrosse and Dune Dawgs Lacrosse and now they are Havoc Dune Dawgs.

Do you guys plan on coming up to LI for any games.

Spring Lax jam in May is a great starter for LI and then LI Lax Fest is always a good tournament when you should be peaking in June.

Great explanation, thanks. LI appears more organized than I thought from reading this forum. Do these travel teams routinely play each other? Do you have a travel League similar to NPYLL (www.npyll.com)? Do the top LI travel teams play in a single tournament during the summer? Summer 2012, we saw Express Orange at Tristate (lost 6-5 IIRC-great game), but, sadly, we have stopped playing in that tournament. I have a million questions, but come back to it would be fun to get our best and your best together, and maybe throw Philly’s best in the mix!
See my previous post about age discrepancies. Madlax is usually 2 teams per age group, so our U13s have 2 teams AA and A, named Orange and Blue respectively. Occasionally, if there's interest, Madlax stands up a lower level A team named White. All team names are consistent throughout Madlax, but our age groups span 2yrs, so U13s would be comprised of 6th and 7th graders.
I am still a little confused as to how LI does it. Are you saying that Team 91 might have 7-8 teams between its U13 and U12 or 2019 and 2020 age groups?

If this was directed to me, no, not that I know. I wish we were and will lobby based on responses here. I am a consumer, not in a position to decide where we go. Frankly, I would like to hear that best LI teams are participating in a mutually (in)convenient tourney in NJ or PA that would be well run. Tristate is good, but we have dropped. We play Hogan's Hershey, which is fun for the family but weak competition. Reffing iffy too. Personally, I believe you can only be the best by playing the best. Let me know of ideas
VaLaxDad

Laxdad14 how's dune dawgs looking this year. Any new additions like last year? Is Bolla playing in Heckshire's town day?

New additions, yes. Actually looking stronger than last year. Bolla isn't playing, but a mixed 7/8th grade team.

I hope that mixed 7th/8th grade team is playing up in the 8th grade division where they belong...

Dunedawgs have a combined 7/8th grade team ?

They lost a very good middie also

CageSage-
Thanks again for moderating. Great board!
Interested to take up youth team age issues raised by posters. Age, not class year, is the relevant measure of physical advantage, in my opinion. I draw a distinction between youth teams and high school (HS) teams. 2017, or freshman, is our youngest HS team in Virginia. Our youth teams are set according to USLacrosse age guidelines:
U13: Born on or after 9/1/00
See bottom of Page 1: http://www.uslacrosse.org/portals/1/documents/pdf/participants/players/2014-boys-youth-rules.pdf
We do not set youth teams by class year, although an u13 AA team is likely all 7th graders (2019), and maybe young 8th graders, with a couple of talented 6th graders possibly sprinkled in. 2yrs per age group; U9, U11, U13, U15. I had never heard of U12 or U14 before finding this board.
A comparison of ages of U13 or 2019 youth teams drawn from CageSage’s response to my previous post:
LI: In WashDC:
12/1/99 or older are U15 or HS
12/01/99 - 08/31/00 ... Class of 2018 ... 8th Grade .... U/14; U15 in WashDC
09/01/00 - 11/30/00 ... Class of 2018 ... 8th Grade .... U/13; U13 in WashDC

12/01/00 - 08/31/01 ... Class of 2019 ... 7th Grade .... U/13; U13 in WashDC
09/01/01 - 11/30/01 ... Class of 2019 ... 7th Grade .... U/12; U13 in WashDC

12/01/01 - 08/31/02 ... Class of 2020 ... 6th Grade .... U/12; U13 in WashDC
8/31/02 or younger is U11 (or U9) in Washington.
The ages are very close, but on Long Island our U13AA Orange team would lose its oldest members; those born in September, October and November of 2000. There is no doubt that losing these oldest players would significantly weaken our team. These kids are mostly 7th graders here as our school ages run 10/1 to 9/30 according to state established guidelines. At the youth level, there is nothing sinister going on here, just kids that are in school together playing sports together. It seems odd that there is a 3 month discrepancy per class VA to LI. I am not sure why in practice we differ, except that perhaps our kids start 1st grade earlier.
There may be exceptions, but in my experience, within the NPYLL the USLacrosse age guidelines are followed. This is true for all NPYLL teams, even those in Baltimore area—Crabs, Breakers, Hawks, etc. Enforcement is an open question, but it is hard to believe that paid coaches at for-profit clubs would turn a blind eye to discrepancies. Older (and younger) kids routinely play out of class (and age group) because of birthdates that fall outside the guidelines.
As it is at the youth level, DC and NPYLL teams hold a narrow age advantage over LI teams since we are up to 3 months older. With reclassings (B.S. in my book), HS may be a completely different story, particularly at the privates.
Unfortunately, this reasoning also does not explain Jr’s team getting smoked by the Dune Dogs ;-)
-VaLaxDad

Dunedawgs have a combined 7/8th grade team ?

almost every crazed lax parent with an axe to grind and looking for the next Duke JHU Harvard offer for their prescious.

they'll also have their kid repeat a year (transfer to another school) in grade school and then their kid will be another year older than everyone when they enter HS as freshman.(just look at the recent 2017 commits).

lastly, they'll do a year of PG and be 21 yrs old by fresman year in college. red shirt another year and they'll be an AARP member at graduation.

it is a great system and MD (as well as some LIers) have mastered it

take a look at the rosters of theses clubs (especially MD) and you'll see.

Yes, they were great when we played them 2 yrs ago. If they are still together, and it appears that they are for the most part, I'm sure they are still awesome. Does this HDD 2019 team regularly play the top Express, Team 91 and other LI teams? How do they fare? Close games?

Yes, they were great when we played them 2 yrs ago. If they are still together, and it appears that they are for the most part, I'm sure they are still awesome. Does this HDD 2019 team regularly play the top Express, Team 91 and other LI teams? How do they fare? Close games?

The issue of the top 3 teams of 2019 age group on LI is they barely play against each other.

There was a rift between Express and 91 two years ago, they only played once. Last year Expressed play 91 twice.

Express and DD never played against each other. I hope that changes this year.

91 and DD played once or twice if that. Some say a few of the 91 2020 play on DD so they don't play the same weekends.


Have you played fl$ (LI) or Patriots (NJ).

No they play weak teams and beat their chests !! Won't play best teams without all their best players. No confidence in 60 percent of their our team...

No they play weak teams and beat their chests !! Won't play best teams without all their best players. No confidence in 60 percent of their our team...

Express 2019 is more of a B bracket team, they don't come close to 2019 91 orange and 2019 Dune Dawgs! They lost a lot of players this year. Didn't win any real tournaments last year!