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Or maybe she'll get the best education in the country while playing a sport she loves. Ivies supply plenty of financial aid for those in need. Your bitterness is evident


no, not bitter. scared for what openly socialist professors are teaching these impressionable kids. and planning on paying for my kids college myself, not gonna rely on debt or need based anything. but in return I'd like them to learn about productive enterprise. self reliance and hard work not transfer payment mindset and rabble rousing so common on elitist university campuses these days..


Yeah ok. No successful "productive enterprise" people coming out of Harvard, Stanford, Princeton etc. You done be a moron. But of course arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are, the bird is going to S#@! on the board and strut around like it won anyway. Commence strutting, dude.


what a burn. and the street lingo made it that much more legit.


It was a legit point. To claim that Harvard and Princeton don't produce productive, enterprising, self-reliant and hard-working graduates is about as stupid a comment as I have seen on here. And there's a lot of competition.

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Or maybe she'll get the best education in the country while playing a sport she loves. Ivies supply plenty of financial aid for those in need. Your bitterness is evident


no, not bitter. scared for what openly socialist professors are teaching these impressionable kids. and planning on paying for my kids college myself, not gonna rely on debt or need based anything. but in return I'd like them to learn about productive enterprise. self reliance and hard work not transfer payment mindset and rabble rousing so common on elitist university campuses these days..


Yeah ok. No successful "productive enterprise" people coming out of Harvard, Stanford, Princeton etc. You done be a moron. But of course arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are, the bird is going to S#@! on the board and strut around like it won anyway. Commence strutting, dude.


what a burn. and the street lingo made it that much more legit.


It was a legit point. To claim that Harvard and Princeton don't produce productive, enterprising, self-reliant and hard-working graduates is about as stupid a comment as I have seen on here. And there's a lot of competition.


hey counselor (very glad your not mine) at no point did I say there are NO hard working or enterprising young folks at Harvard or Princeton. don't project onto me a blanket stupid statement. simply said I'd rather the professors like Stiglitz and others not bad mouth our country and our capitalist system while I pay them 60k. if you chose to be in company with socialists that's your business. go crazy have at it.

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This is a lax forum, i know everybody wants to send their kids to the best academic schools, but come on its getting a little crazy...go find an academic forum.

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Or maybe she'll get the best education in the country while playing a sport she loves. Ivies supply plenty of financial aid for those in need. Your bitterness is evident


no, not bitter. scared for what openly socialist professors are teaching these impressionable kids. and planning on paying for my kids college myself, not gonna rely on debt or need based anything. but in return I'd like them to learn about productive enterprise. self reliance and hard work not transfer payment mindset and rabble rousing so common on elitist university campuses these days..


Yeah ok. No successful "productive enterprise" people coming out of Harvard, Stanford, Princeton etc. You done be a moron. But of course arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are, the bird is going to S#@! on the board and strut around like it won anyway. Commence strutting, dude.


what a burn. and the street lingo made it that much more legit.


It was a legit point. To claim that Harvard and Princeton don't produce productive, enterprising, self-reliant and hard-working graduates is about as stupid a comment as I have seen on here. And there's a lot of competition.


hey counselor (very glad your not mine) at no point did I say there are NO hard working or enterprising young folks at Harvard or Princeton. don't project onto me a blanket stupid statement. simply said I'd rather the professors like Stiglitz and others not bad mouth our country and our capitalist system while I pay them 60k. if you chose to be in company with socialists that's your business. go crazy have at it.


"but in return I'd like them to learn about productive enterprise. self reliance and hard work not transfer payment mindset and rabble rousing so common on elitist university campuses these days.." your words idiot

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This is a lax forum, i know everybody wants to send their kids to the best academic schools, but come on its getting a little crazy...go find an academic forum.


I tried the academic forum first but there are a bunch of YJ parents over there talking lacrosse.

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This is a lax forum, i know everybody wants to send their kids to the best academic schools, but come on its getting a little crazy...go find an academic forum.


I tried the academic forum first but there are a bunch of YJ parents over there talking lacrosse.


yeah and now that there's professional women's lacrosse they are going to make tons of dough now. so stop with the books and grades and junk

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too legit to quit /// oooh ohh

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Anybody have examples of girls committing without going to that particular college's camp? I'm curious, because I don't know of any. And I think it makes sense. But I believe it shows the low value represented by tournaments as it relates to recruiting. (I think there are other benefits like improving your game, having fun with teammates etc.) I think narrowing list to realistic places to play and then attending camps is the best bang for the buck. Thoughts?

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Yes, I have a 2019 that is sitting on offers from several of her top schools (did not go to their camps) and is waiting on several others whose camps she did attend...

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Yes, I have a 2019 that is sitting on offers from several of her top schools (did not go to their camps) and is waiting on several others whose camps she did attend...


Ok thx. The ones where she didn't attend camps, how did that process start and then evolve? I assume they saw her at tournaments and then she visited campus etc? Congrats to your daughter and best of luck with decision.

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My 2019 committed after not attending camp. She had an offer from another school after not attending camp. She also did attend a camp that paid off in terms of that coach immediately reaching out.
All her looks from various schools came from fall and summer recruit tourneys, and, other venues such as select games, select events. If someone notices your daughter at tourneys, it is a fast turnaround in terms of them reaching out.


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Yes, I have a 2019 that is sitting on offers from several of her top schools (did not go to their camps) and is waiting on several others whose camps she did attend...


Why you waiting? offers just ok? just trying to get a feel whats going on. thanks

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So basically you need to do a mix of tournaments,clinics and camps?

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Yes, she plays on a top club team and was recognized during the summer tourney season--made trips to campuses soon after schools reached out to club. Hang in there--if your daughter wants to play in college there are many opportunities she will have

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My daughter got interest from summer tourney from a school that she didn't doncamp Got invite to campus etc. she also go interest from camps at 2 other schools she was interested in as well with offers. Schools do like for kids to come to camp
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Personal setting to evaluate the player. I guess it really depends on the coach and how they recruit.

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agreed on fast turn around. But our experience was that after that, the next step was usually to come either to camp, or to prospect day (which often had a clinic/camp that weekend) etc. seemed to us that most places, at least towards the upper end of D1 programs, liked to get first-hand experience and be able to coach directly. Interesting to hear that is not how it works sometimes.

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Anybody have examples of girls committing without going to that particular college's camp? I'm curious, because I don't know of any. And I think it makes sense. But I believe it shows the low value represented by tournaments as it relates to recruiting. (I think there are other benefits like improving your game, having fun with teammates etc.) I think narrowing list to realistic places to play and then attending camps is the best bang for the buck. Thoughts?
Our experience was that our daughter got noticed at tournaments and then coaches reached out to her club coach and schedules calls to get to know her and express interest. In two cases she went to their camps during her rising sophomore summer and was then offered, and in another case she didn't go to their camp but did a visit with other top recruits and they offered after that. If the notion is skip the tournaments and just do the camps, I think that is a flawed approach. The coaches typically identify who they have interest in at the tournaments and then schedule calls, invite to camp and or a visit and then offer if academics and athletics are a match.

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Happy to share: We are making our daughter wait for the following reasons: 1) no school with offer on the table has given her a deadline (yet); 2) she is barely 15 and even though she thinks she knows everything already we as her parents feel it is important to take our time with this decision; 3) fall tourney season starts in a week and this may provide more opportunities if she plays well; 4) she would be happy with taking one of the offers she has, but we are waiting to see if one of the "are you kidding me you can get into that school!" programs offers her after the fall season assuming she plays well. This will be her only opportunity to go through this process (and yes, I understand that it is non-binding at this point) so we think it is important to take our time. I have been through this with older children and I don't feel the need to allow her commit early so that she can crow about it to Ty Xanders and others who trumpet this stuff.

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This past summer my step daughter commited as a rising soph to a top tier d1 team. At this point my husband is questioning whether that was a wise choice. Maybe should've waited for fall tournaments as perhaps a sweeter offer would come. I have however heard(and not sure if true) that once a kid boy or girl commits, it brings the other coaches curiosity up. There's poaching in everything

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Yes, that's why we have counselled our daughter to wait-- we will be more informed buyers after the fall season. I can understand committing earlier if it is a "are you kidding me you can get into that school!" but in our book there are only 2 or 3 of those for us and they have not offered her yet. Now, if one of those 2 or 3 schools does not offer her at the end of the fall season, she will gladly accept one of the offers she already has or potentially consider others that might come in during/after fall ball.

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Yes, that's why we have counselled our daughter to wait-- we will be more informed buyers after the fall season. I can understand committing earlier if it is a "are you kidding me you can get into that school!" but in our book there are only 2 or 3 of those for us and they have not offered her yet. Now, if one of those 2 or 3 schools does not offer her at the end of the fall season, she will gladly accept one of the offers she already has or potentially consider others that might come in during/after fall ball.

Funny you say that. My daughter got a good offer from a school she really doesn't love. So we didn't do anything with that right now. However if her top choice offered today. Sold!

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Curious as to the " are you kidding me list ", unless your child is top 5 in their class and 1400 sat ( which she may be ) that is a long list.

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I would imagine the "are you kidding me you can get into that school!" list is the top 3 or 4 schools of US News WR that have competitive lax.

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We waited until Fall of junior year after visiting several schools. Decided on a D2 3 hours away instead of D1 a plane ride away. 2 of my daughters friends jumped the gun and committed as sophomores to D1 schools that they never visited and now as seniors are realizing they will be 4-5 hour plane ride from home AND the current freshmen did not play much in their fall season and are miserable. Another girl we know was forced to commit to a school near Canada because it was her only offer and her obnoxious father wants to tell people she's playing D-1. I predict all will be home after first season. Parents- do your homework. Trust your daughters, nobody cares what division they play for- let them make the decision! They're the ones that will be going away, not you! Offers will come right up until senior year so enjoy the process. Fall ball tourneys are under rated, that's where so many scouts go and are able to see the athletes clearer. Best of luck

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We waited until Fall of junior year after visiting several schools. Decided on a D2 3 hours away instead of D1 a plane ride away. 2 of my daughters friends jumped the gun and committed as sophomores to D1 schools that they never visited and now as seniors are realizing they will be 4-5 hour plane ride from home AND the current freshmen did not play much in their fall season and are miserable. Another girl we know was forced to commit to a school near Canada because it was her only offer and her obnoxious father wants to tell people she's playing D-1. I predict all will be home after first season. Parents- do your homework. Trust your daughters, nobody cares what division they play for- let them make the decision! They're the ones that will be going away, not you! Offers will come right up until senior year so enjoy the process. Fall ball tourneys are under rated, that's where so many scouts go and are able to see the athletes clearer. Best of luck


Very good post. Spot on!

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As another example, my kid committed in the summer after sophomore year, but she had already visited 8 schools, starting in summer after freshman year. Compared to above poster it was a year earlier but we have a good sample size, and felt like my daughter could make an educated, informed decision. She's in freshman year now and very happy.

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Happy to share: We are making our daughter wait for the following reasons: 1) no school with offer on the table has given her a deadline (yet); 2) she is barely 15 and even though she thinks she knows everything already we as her parents feel it is important to take our time with this decision; 3) fall tourney season starts in a week and this may provide more opportunities if she plays well; 4) she would be happy with taking one of the offers she has, but we are waiting to see if one of the "are you kidding me you can get into that school!" programs offers her after the fall season assuming she plays well. This will be her only opportunity to go through this process (and yes, I understand that it is non-binding at this point) so we think it is important to take our time. I have been through this with older children and I don't feel the need to allow her commit early so that she can crow about it to Ty Xanders and others who trumpet this stuff.


WOW - a sane lax parent, obviously well thought out. Congrats on doing what's right for your daughter.

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Thanks to everyone for all the responses. I think this type of information is great in a forum like this. Clearly not one size fits all in this process. The more stories that are shared, the more helpful for current and future families going through the recruiting process.

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I would imagine the "are you kidding me you can get into that school!" list is the top 3 or 4 schools of US News WR that have competitive lax.


For my kid it would be:

Stanford, Duke, NU, Ivies and a few others

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I would imagine the "are you kidding me you can get into that school!" list is the top 3 or 4 schools of US News WR that have competitive lax.


For my kid it would be:

Stanford, Duke, NU, Ivies and a few others

I think some kids do not want nor can go to ivy but wantt to pllay at a school with a top program and still get a great education. What schools do you think fit that bill

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I would imagine the "are you kidding me you can get into that school!" list is the top 3 or 4 schools of US News WR that have competitive lax.


For my kid it would be:

Stanford, Duke, NU, Ivies and a few others

I think some kids do not want nor can go to ivy but wantt to pllay at a school with a top program and still get a great education. What schools do you think fit that bill


lots.

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I would imagine the "are you kidding me you can get into that school!" list is the top 3 or 4 schools of US News WR that have competitive lax.


For my kid it would be:

Stanford, Duke, NU, Ivies and a few others


You and the rest of the wealthy and private school kids.

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I would imagine the "are you kidding me you can get into that school!" list is the top 3 or 4 schools of US News WR that have competitive lax.


For my kid it would be:

Stanford, Duke, NU, Ivies and a few others


You and the rest of the wealthy and private school kids.


Why is that your answer? We are not wealthy and my kid goes to a public school. The Ivies give the best need aid of all colleges and the others have just as many scholarships as everyone else. Unless your in-state schools are a good match, why would you not think these schools are amazing opportunities??

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I would imagine the "are you kidding me you can get into that school!" list is the top 3 or 4 schools of US News WR that have competitive lax.


For my kid it would be:

Stanford, Duke, NU, Ivies and a few others


You and the rest of the wealthy and private school kids.


Why is that your answer? We are not wealthy and my kid goes to a public school. The Ivies give the best need aid of all colleges and the others have just as many scholarships as everyone else. Unless your in-state schools are a good match, why would you not think these schools are amazing opportunities??


Your the exception, look at the commit lists for these schools.

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I would imagine the "are you kidding me you can get into that school!" list is the top 3 or 4 schools of US News WR that have competitive lax.


For my kid it would be:

Stanford, Duke, NU, Ivies and a few others


You and the rest of the wealthy and private school kids.


Why is that your answer? We are not wealthy and my kid goes to a public school. The Ivies give the best need aid of all colleges and the others have just as many scholarships as everyone else. Unless your in-state schools are a good match, why would you not think these schools are amazing opportunities??


Your the exception, look at the commit lists for these schools.


well i don't know a lot of the kids but 2 that i do know that r committed to Ivies are both public school kids. I guess they are not the majority, but lax is generally a pretty high class demographic to begin with. And w aid packages and scholarships (at non-ivies), if the kid has the grades, these places seem pretty good to me. By no means the only places. I don't want to be accused of snobbery. Was just responding to the poster that asked what the "are you kidding me you can get into that school!" list for people was. That is mine for my kid.

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Sorry but Ivies are for the financially needy and the rich at this point especially if you have multiple kids . Duke , Stanford are better options for the upper middle class at this point and then there are the UVA , UNC , BC types on the next level if you want excellent academics and highly competitive girls lax .

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Mass Elite 2019 red is one of the top teams in this age group.. I'm from Connecticut and my daughter plays on a weaker club team, but I have seen this girls play. The majority of the best players on the New England Under Armour team were on Mass Elite and they smoked team LI.

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Sorry but Ivies are for the financially needy and the rich at this point especially if you have multiple kids . Duke , Stanford are better options for the upper middle class at this point and then there are the UVA , UNC , BC types on the next level if you want excellent academics and highly competitive girls lax .


Sorry just not true. You can become more informed if you actually go to the financial aid calculators at Harvard's site for an example. If you live in NY and have annual income of 200k and assets of 500k not including house, you get close to half of the cost covered by aid if you have two kids in college. Now if you consider that financially needy, ok, but i don't. Ivies are way more generous w aid and to much higher thresholds than most non-ivies. Now of course having the grades and the playing ability are not easy. But the cost of going to an Ivy for a middle-class family is not the main problem relative to many other schools out there.

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Mass Elite 2019 red is one of the top teams in this age group.. I'm from Connecticut and my daughter plays on a weaker club team, but I have seen this girls play. The majority of the best players on the New England Under Armour team were on Mass Elite and they smoked team LI.


Do they play lax in New England?

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Sorry but Ivies are for the financially needy and the rich at this point especially if you have multiple kids . Duke , Stanford are better options for the upper middle class at this point and then there are the UVA , UNC , BC types on the next level if you want excellent academics and highly competitive girls lax .


Sorry just not true. You can become more informed if you actually go to the financial aid calculators at Harvard's site for an example. If you live in NY and have annual income of 200k and assets of 500k not including house, you get close to half of the cost covered by aid if you have two kids in college. Now if you consider that financially needy, ok, but i don't. Ivies are way more generous w aid and to much higher thresholds than most non-ivies. Now of course having the grades and the playing ability are not easy. But the cost of going to an Ivy for a middle-class family is not the main problem relative to many other schools out there.


You are spot on BUT, two qualifiers:

1. Ivies offer no merit scholarships.
2. Ivies offer no athletic scholarships.

So, there really is no one correct answer. Depends on the parents finances, the kids academics, and the kids athletic ability as to which schools are more affordable. But you are right, meeting 100% of financial need, as the Ivies do, might make a huge difference in the costs depending on one's finances.

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