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Put Chaminade and St A , with Garden City, Cold Spring Harbor, Ward Melvile, Manhasset, SWR? Syosset, Massapequa. Smithtown teams they might win once every 10 years,

Oh baby......that green eyed jealousy thing rears it head again. Stats don't lie. St A and Chammy are consistently in the top National polls. Be a big boy and deal with it.

But how does F$G come into this? Why would they merge they run their own tournaments, clinics, camps, showcases ect....

over the last 5 years

CSH - 83-11 - 5 straight county championships (3-2) 3 state championships
WM - 89-15 - 5 straight county championships (3-2) 2 state championships
Mass 82-13 - 5 straight county championships (3-2) 1 state championships

No.......Cold Spring Harbor, Manhasset, SWR, Syosset, Massapequa do not fit in this discussion.

Manhassett only ranked 3X in the top 25 over the past decade
CSH 3 X
Syosett 2X
SWR 1 X
Massapequa 2X

Also, GC has not been in top 25 since 2013
WI not since 2012
Manhassett not since 2011

Your lucky if you make tri state top 20

This sounds like a mess - when you look at the likely results of such a consolidation, you might have 6+ teams in one organization at certain ages. People already complain about how second or third teams get treated with these no-separate clubs - this only exacerbates that bad situation. It might result in some absolutely dominant top teams, but such teams would then have zero competition on LI - they'll have no choice but to travel to every tournament they play in! This might make sense from a club ownership perspective in the short term, but it sounds like a long-term mess.

Just a rumor.

It will get even crazier now that they just purchased Yellow Jackets!

anybody that does not think that CSH belongs in the conversation for elite teams the past 5 years is insane and should not post on this site for 3 day 4 hours and 12 minutes. The school has about 100 kids per grade and yet they are a top team almost every year. Last years team was the best on LI

Not to quibble, but if they only had 100 kids per grade, they would be in class D . . . they actually have more than twice that number of students per grade (they have about ~950 students). That still doesn't diminish what they've accomplished recently, especially when they likely may have been the best team on LI in some years.

[quote=Anonymous]anybody that does not think that CSH belongs in the conversation for elite teams the past 5 years is insane and should not post on this site for 3 day 4 hours and 12 minutes. The school has about 100 kids per grade and yet they are a top team almost every year. Last years team was the best on LI
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and they are getting better. Their sophomore class is one of the best on Long Island and their 8th graders are following the same path.

actually the 950 number (actually 964) is grades 7-12 - the average grade size is about 140

Meh

Well, the original post was talking about the past decade(not 5 years) in the National top 25.
In this discussion, school size does not matter and is not a factor.

Simply, the point is how often a team ranked in the national top 25 poll.

CSH only had good teams recently - but mostly due to the class that just graduated. Perhaps those days will continue, perhaps they won't. How have they done over the past 10 yrs.

By your logic, GC would not belong because they have not "represented" since 2013. We all know they are a perennial power.


Since you offered an opinion... over the next 5 years, I would not expect CSH to be as good as they have been recently.

Look for the resurrection of Sayville lax in fairly short order now that the coach has returned. Lots of optimism and high expectations.

NYSED online data suggest average grade size is closer to 165+ . . .

The teams around you are more talented than you are. It's not rocket science. Very good team, but not good enough for a Suffolk "A" title in any of the past 5 years. You had the current SW coach and 2 All-American players, a bunch of years ago, and still couldn't get it done. Suffolk A is, maybe, the toughest division around.

Suffolk & Nassau A are top heavy. Not much competition beyond the best third of the division in each. Many would argue that Suffolk B has some of the toughest competition in the country. Almost every game is a battle.

I don't see this making sense for F$G or 91..

Looks like the Sayville public relations team is back from winter vacation. Guess we will hear about the low level football and lax teams soon.

Yes, he was the starter, but he vaporized during the playoffs. Didn't see him at the Syosset / Farmingdale game.

I wonder what happened?

Who is A and who is B?

The past few years you had some movement.

In my mind and if you look at both Nassau and Suffolk, by the numbers, Each of the Nassau divisions could classify 30% of their teams as Good or better - in Nassua A just under 40%. In Suffolk each division could classify over 40% of teams in each division as good or better. And in Suffolk about 50% of the A teams could be classified as good or better (with more teams than nassau.

why do we have to play first round of states.

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Not sure why you say that, look at your past losses, did you ever beat those teams you lost to as you got older. You have a good team, sur ethe coach get more out of you but I think it was just a reflection of the team. The next few years will not be the coaches fault, just maybe be where the team is. Enjoy what the boys give you, will be a great season either way[/quote]

If the coaching was better then the team could get further and achieve their potential. Coaching isn't good enough.
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The teams around you are more talented than you are. It's not rocket science. Very good team, but not good enough for a Suffolk "A" title in any of the past 5 years. You had the current SW coach and 2 All-American players, a bunch of years ago, and still couldn't get it done. Suffolk A is, maybe, the toughest division around.[/quote]

Suffolk & Nassau A are top heavy. Not much competition beyond the best third of the division in each. Many would argue that Suffolk B has some of the toughest competition in the country. Almost every game is a battle.[/quote]


Who is A and who is B?

The past few years you had some movement.

In my mind and if you look at both Nassau and Suffolk, by the numbers, Each of the Nassau divisions could classify 30% of their teams as Good or better - in Nassua A just under 40%. In Suffolk each division could classify over 40% of teams in each division as good or better. And in Suffolk about 50% of the A teams could be classified as good or better (with more teams than nassau.

why do we have to play first round of states. [/quote]

I've made the same argument as your last question here on BOTC before ...

The current CSH sophomores are not all that. Recall the CSH JV lost to Chaminade Freshman team last year. The then CSH freshman did very little in that game. #way-over-rated.

You just roped 9 & 10 grade boys on a public forum! Hahahahaha what a complete loser. Let me guess, you never picked up a stick growing up in Queens, but now you’re an expert! A$$

valid argument but on the other hand I discount the national polls as being slanted towards certain regions and certain teams, I think many of us on this board have a better feel for LI teams than people that vote in the polls based on reputation and box scores rather than having ever scene the teams play IMHO

quibble accepted - your still talking about 80 - 90 boys per grade and they have been a consistently good and occasionally great team with many of them going on to great college careers.

"The current CSH sophomores are not all that. Recall the CSH JV lost to Chaminade Freshman team last year. The then CSH freshman did very little in that game. #way-over-rated."

Um, the freshman were essentially the whole team, so they must've done something...

Ok, great. You call them over rated. Who is the underrated Sophomore group you think is better? Curious for this answer... Public high schools please, leave your for pay private all star teams out of the discussion for now.

I don't know what is worse. The knucklehead that doesn't live in CSH knocking a bunch of kids that don't live in his Town or this knucklehead who lives in CSH knocking a bunch of kids who happen to be in the grade above is son. Thanks neighbor.

Sorry if it was taken as a knock, I thought the starting line up at csh last year was all Freshman. My bad, neighbor.

Losing to the chaminade freshmen team doesn't tell you much when so many good players get moved up to varsity.

How many Freshman and how many sophs were playing on varsity CSH last year?

LAX a month away.

Practices have been hot and heavy for weeks now - just waiting for the official start now . . .!

How is Cormack at the HS level?

yeah, let's get the party started...how does everyone seeing it play out this year? And I don't care about class this and class that...can your team beat mine?! public and private...plenty of room for both here....lets here it and why?

Schedules are limited outside of conf/class, so it's not like anyone could play anyone if they wanted. Thus, lot's of speculation - which means lots of opinions . . .

If my sons team beats your sons team it was ....A great game played by some wonderful players on both sides, very well coached game and the parents on both teams were supportable and great.

but and this is a big "Donald Trump" BUTT

If your over aged men that were recruited to play for your HS beat our boys from a town team you can be assured that.

The refs were being paid by express, your team was dirty, your coach was an embarrassment to HS sports and those red solo cup parents should be barred from any school event ever, and by the way, I could smell your neighbors BBQ at the field.

There you guys go, picking on Syosset again!