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It's weird that almost all the Ohio St. recruits got picked. And, there is a kid from Alabama on the team??? Really. Good thing this isn't political. (sarc) How did that Concannon kid not make the team?

its all BS

I wouldn't say that. Many of the best ranked kids in the country are on this team. You will never make everyone happy, but cuts needed to be made and I believe for the most part they got it right.

4 commits from Ohio State (Head Coach of U19 Team), 4 from UPenn (Assistant Coach of U19 Team), 4 from Penn State (Assistant Coach of U19 Team), coincidence?

4 commits from Ohio State (Head Coach of U19 Team), 4 from UPenn (Assistant Coach of U19 Team), 4 from Penn State (Assistant Coach of U19 Team), coincidence?

And 3 from both Virginia and NC. How about being happy for the well deserving boys who made it and stop undermining their accomplishments. Politics will always be a factor in life, get over it and wish the team luck!

I am VERY happy and impressed with the current u19 roster. BUT, stacking the team with Nick Myers OSU kids, plus the U Penn kids and Penn St kids is nothing but political BS. There is a kid on the roster from Alabama that is going to Ohio St. ALABAMA for crying out loud. Is lacrosse even a HS varsity sport in that state? It's just like club tryouts. If they lose, then he will be skewered.

I was not there and did not see all that went into the selections but was surprised one of the F/O's made it based on his 25% win percentage in the scrimmage.

I am VERY happy and impressed with the current u19 roster. BUT, stacking the team with Nick Myers OSU kids, plus the U Penn kids and Penn St kids is nothing but political BS. There is a kid on the roster from Alabama that is going to Ohio St. ALABAMA for crying out loud. Is lacrosse even a HS varsity sport in that state? It's just like club tryouts. If they lose, then he will be skewered.

Maybe he had a bad day, is usually very good, the best at first tryout. But if they decided to give him another chance they should have given the kid they cut another chance as well, especially after he was the second best in the scrimmage. And what's up with the kid that only played the field, but was taken as a fogo without actually taking any faceoffs?

And he wasn't from PSU or OSU! So looks like there are some other favors going on!

These teams are already pre set ..only going thru the motions here..wake up ..I guarantee there will be at least a few kids from GC and Manhasset on this team. always is just to keep those kids coming back. Yes it's a shame but it is what it is.

I believe this is the first year the the U19 team is being run by college coaches. In the past years, the team was run by a group of top HS coaches from places like Haverford and Delbarton. They were then overseen by Flatey from US lacrosse and of GC HS fame. Using this model, U19 only lost 1 game in the history of the U19 World Championships. Why fix what wasn't broken to begin with?

Let's be honest and just admit that Nick Myers and his assistants from PSU and U Penn picked their guys. Hopefully, this won't be at the expense of the Championship. I know you aren't supposed to pick the best players, but the best pieces in order to make a TEAM. The lacrosse landscape is changing and the Canadians are better than they have ever been before. Maybe this system will work, but I am very doubtful.

Rumor on MD Forum that no Crabs kids made roster--because they're too old! Poetic justice

Just admit the fix was in. 45% of the team are from the coaches schools. They should be embarrassed. You can't tell me there were no senior attackman across the counrty better than the junior that was selected that will be attending Penn St. Petro has a player attending Hopkins this coming year that should be a little upset considering he won every award possible and they played on the same HS team. In addition they cut the defensemen of the year in Nassau voted on by all the coaches and he played lights out during tryouts. I guess all the Nassau coaches are wrong. He is not attending any of the coaches schools so I am not surprised. 5 face off players still on roster. That will change but still. My only question is what sleeve on game jersey will have Ohio St logo. No problem with kid from Bama. He played well. But well enough ??

Just admit the fix was in. 45% of the team are from the coaches schools. They should be embarrassed. You can't tell me there were no senior attackman across the counrty better than the junior that was selected that will be attending Penn St. Petro has a player attending Hopkins this coming year that should be a little upset considering he won every award possible and they played on the same HS team. In addition they cut the defensemen of the year in Nassau voted on by all the coaches and he played lights out during tryouts. I guess all the Nassau coaches are wrong. He is not attending any of the coaches schools so I am not surprised. 5 face off players still on roster. That will change but still. My only question is what sleeve on game jersey will have Ohio St logo. No problem with kid from Bama. He played well. But well enough ??

Agreed but you shouldn't get auto bid because you are going to attend the school of the coach either and that is exactly what happened. Did any kid that will be attending Penn St, Penn, or Ohio St even get cut ??

If you are going to PSU you will be picked over a JHU commit....bottom line.

You guys are ridiculous. There are some guys who weren't selected initially that could be on this team. There are also guys cut from the 101-51 round or the 51-30 round that could be on this team.

Was there some bias in favor of recruits? Very possibly. But this is not a perfect science. They are trying to win with the best team possible, not the 23 best players in the country.

I liken it to Bob Knight when he coached the 84 Olympic team. He cut guys like Stockton, Barkley and others in favor of Jon Koncack and Joe Klein. He also took his own player, Steve Alford, who was the youngest player and someone few expected to make it.

When asked about the guys cut and those who made it, Knight replied that he went with what would make the best TEAM.

I'm sure other coaches would have selected a different roster, perhaps wildly different. But obviously all of these kids can play and the coaches pick who they think can get the job done, right or wrong.

Accusing them of bias is just a waste of time.

You guys are ridiculous. There are some guys who weren't selected initially that could be on this team. There are also guys cut from the 101-51 round or the 51-30 round that could be on this team.

Was there some bias in favor of recruits? Very possibly. But this is not a perfect science. They are trying to win with the best team possible, not the 23 best players in the country.

I liken it to Bob Knight when he coached the 84 Olympic team. He cut guys like Stockton, Barkley and others in favor of Jon Koncack and Joe Klein. He also took his own player, Steve Alford, who was the youngest player and someone few expected to make it.

When asked about the guys cut and those who made it, Knight replied that he went with what would make the best TEAM.

I'm sure other coaches would have selected a different roster, perhaps wildly different. But obviously all of these kids can play and the coaches pick who they think can get the job done, right or wrong.

Accusing them of bias is just a waste of time.

You guys are ridiculous. There are some guys who weren't selected initially that could be on this team. There are also guys cut from the 101-51 round or the 51-30 round that could be on this team.

Was there some bias in favor of recruits? Very possibly. But this is not a perfect science. They are trying to win with the best team possible, not the 23 best players in the country.

I liken it to Bob Knight when he coached the 84 Olympic team. He cut guys like Stockton, Barkley and others in favor of Jon Koncack and Joe Klein. He also took his own player, Steve Alford, who was the youngest player and someone few expected to make it.

When asked about the guys cut and those who made it, Knight replied that he went with what would make the best TEAM.

I'm sure other coaches would have selected a different roster, perhaps wildly different. But obviously all of these kids can play and the coaches pick who they think can get the job done, right or wrong.

Accusing them of bias is just a waste of time.

12 out of the 30 kids picked are from three teams Ohio State, Penn State and U Penn. The coaches are from three schools Ohio State, Penn State and U Penn, 4 players from each of those schools were selected. That means only 18 players selectors from all the other schools. Coincidence??? This happens in all tryouts even at this level. They are all deserving players if you think there's no bias your nuts.

Ok, stop whining that your son was cut, the best kids at the tryout were picked to continue. If your son stood out,he would still be on the roster like the others that clearly did. Go back and watch the game, you will see. Some traditionally good kids had trouble standing out for whatever reason. Get over it!

anybody who came up through the travel club circuit knows there are politics at a very early age. All of these Under Armour, Brine, LI All Americans etc are all tilted towards certain coaches and clubs.

You better be the best of the best otherwise you better hope you are aligned with the right people.

Just like life

It's only a problem when your kid isn't picked. The team will be just fine. There are always politics in sports, and there were not only 3 coaches picking the players, there was a whole expert committee consisting of HS coaches and other professionals. This sounds like the Under Armour [lacrosse] fest all over again. Who shouldn't be on this team based on their performance at the tryout according to you, who seems to know better than US Lacrosse ?

12 out of the 30 kids picked are from three teams Ohio State, Penn State and U Penn. The coaches are from three schools Ohio State, Penn State and U Penn, 4 players from each of those schools were selected. That means only 18 players selectors from all the other schools. Coincidence??? This happens in all tryouts even at this level. They are all deserving players if you think there's no bias your nuts.

These are not necessarily the best players in the country. It is a team put together by three coaches who have a vested interest in working with their own players. The competition in this U-19 tournament is very weak by the way. There are at least 20 High School teams in NY/Ct/NJ that could win this event.

These are not necessarily the best players in the country. It is a team put together by three coaches who have a vested interest in working with their own players. The competition in this U-19 tournament is very weak by the way. There are at least 20 High School teams in NY/Ct/NJ that could win this event.

Like you said most of the boys were tops. We are talking about the ones who werent but because they are attending the schools of the coaches players who are better and performed better at the tryouts will not get the chance to play.

Nothing you can do. If they win they will say we knew what we were doing. If they lose they will blame it on something.

How many Championships have these coaches won total between them ??

I am not naming names and no one should. But you have 3 kids from the same HS. One did not tryout because of injury but still made it "different argument" but he was considered one of top in country all year so you can understand both sides of that argument but the other 2. One is in the group of 5 FOGO's which will be cut down when they go to 23 man roster so they can correct that mistake. He was a great player 2 years ago that leveled out and had a so so year because he was banged up but had less than average tryout. The other defensemen should not be there plain and simple. The only reason is because he is going to Ohio State. Plus the coaches want to open the door for more recruits from one of the top HS programs.

I am not naming names and no one should. But you have 3 kids from the same HS. One did not tryout because of injury but still made it "different argument" but he was considered one of top in country all year so you can understand both sides of that argument but the other 2. One is in the group of 5 FOGO's which will be cut down when they go to 23 man roster so they can correct that mistake. He was a great player 2 years ago that leveled out and had a so so year because he was banged up but had less than average tryout. The other defensemen should not be there plain and simple. The only reason is because he is going to Ohio State. Plus the coaches want to open the door for more recruits from one of the top HS programs.

I am not naming names and no one should. But you have 3 kids from the same HS. One did not tryout because of injury but still made it "different argument" but he was considered one of top in country all year so you can understand both sides of that argument but the other 2. One is in the group of 5 FOGO's which will be cut down when they go to 23 man roster so they can correct that mistake. He was a great player 2 years ago that leveled out and had a so so year because he was banged up but had less than average tryout. The other defensemen should not be there plain and simple. The only reason is because he is going to Ohio State. Plus the coaches want to open the door for more recruits from one of the top HS programs.

I am not naming names and no one should. But you have 3 kids from the same HS. One did not tryout because of injury but still made it "different argument" but he was considered one of top in country all year so you can understand both sides of that argument but the other 2. One is in the group of 5 FOGO's which will be cut down when they go to 23 man roster so they can correct that mistake. He was a great player 2 years ago that leveled out and had a so so year because he was banged up but had less than average tryout. The other defensemen should not be there plain and simple. The only reason is because he is going to Ohio State. Plus the coaches want to open the door for more recruits from one of the top HS programs.

4 commits from Ohio State (Head Coach of U19 Team), 4 from UPenn (Assistant Coach of U19 Team), 4 from Penn State (Assistant Coach of U19 Team), coincidence?

That is really funny! Have you seen Canada teams play? Like Hill Acadamy? If so you would not be making that statement. And most of the boys chosen have consistently been ranked top in their class for their positions. Check it out and you will see. You sound like a jealous hater and it's sad that you can't be happy for these boys.

Who said I wasn't happy for the boys. They will have a lot of fun. Just calling it like it is. The selection process was biased by the OSU PSU and Penn coaches. That said, I don't think it matters as the teams they play are weak and the players they selected will do just fine. Yes every once in a while Canada puts up some resistance, but the rest of the countries are nothing. Pick any good team from our area and they could win this tournament.