US Lacrosse Community Forum Forums NORTHEAST LACROSSE BOTC MAIN FORUM (LI, CT, WC) Boys 2019 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 v3.0

Time for some folks to hear from me...you may not know me, but I am the wrong guy to [lacrosse] off by attacking a child. You may think you are anonymous, but let me tell you in no uncertain terms you are not. If I have to turn over your posts to the authorities I will do it without thinking twice..

This is version 3.0. I have all the information from the low-life adult bullies bashing this 14 y/o. Be warned...do not [lacrosse] with me or the child anymore or you will have a knock on your front door from guys with a badge.

To the parent of the child that is being bullied. If you wish to pursue this issue and need my assistance simply email me and I will TCB.

I have zero tolerance for adults who beat up on children and hide behind their momma's dress like the pussies they are. Have I made myself clear or do you want to challenge me?

Meanwhile, version 3.0 of the Boys 2019 Fall 2014/Summer 2015 is open for posting.

I'm Larry Miller.

Nice job Larry, lets put this to rest once and for all. it's just not right. Like politics and religion they are never going to convince anyone. Just leave the kid alone. It also would have been nice if you addressed this a few months ago when it started.

THANK YOU!

I do admit that I was thrown into taking over this site because of the antics by Cage Sage.

I am open to any of you who have time and interest if you would like to help me moderate this board.

I would also agree with you that this should have been addressed earlier, but I mistakenly thought that 2.0 would have cured the ills. Obviously, I was mistaken.

Thank You! I personally know this young man and his parents. My son played with him last year on Express (2018). He is a great kid. No need to re post this. People are just plain NUTS!

I have a way of separating these people from their nuts....you know I'm just waiting for these adult child abusers to make my day

Larry, any idea why the 2019 thread is infected with crack pots and idiots?

Not at all.

I am not involved in lacrosse in any manner other than publishing this site.

I do not, coach, nor run a camp, clinic or tournament. I do not have children playing as my two girls are grown and with their famies.

I do not understand much of the bitching and posturing that goes on, because I am not what the positioning is for? What is the pot of gold you are seeking?ma full ride to college?

Sorry, but I doubt that. I am also of the opinion that neither lacrosse or soccer will offer a pro career where a living can be earned...basketball, football, and at Duke, golf will bring serious moola....my 2 cents.

Here are some common myths about college recruiting. It's a changing process, and the more you know the better chance you have of achieving your goals.

Copied from Ted Spencer's Blue Chip 225:

RECRUITING MYTHS
1. If you are college material coaches will find you.

There are 166,000 high school boys playing lacrosse throughout the country. A coach is looking for five or six players each year to fill in his roster. He has limited time and a limited travel budget. Your chances of being found among the 166,000 are slim at best.

2. You need to wait until official recruiting period begins at the start of your junior year.

Wrong! 31% of lacrosse players commit before the official recruiting period even begins!! In fact, rising sophomores (freshmen) are committing to college programs so preparing for college cannot begin too early. A recent article in the New [lacrosse] Times was headlined "Committed to College and Then Started 9th Grade."

3. By the time you are a rising senior it is too late to get recruited.

69% of commitments are made between the junior and senior years. Many schools will recruit rising seniors to fill in unexpected gaps or among players who are late bloomers or missed in the process. While your chances at a top D1 school go down by the time you're a senior, it is never too late to be recruited. Our own survey of Blue Chip 225 Rising Senior attendees found that over 90% reported at least one college inquiry as a result of attending Blue Chip 225

4. Aim high! That's where the money is.

The talk in any high school locker room is about the top D1 schools kids are going to get into. UNC, Virginia, Hopkins, SU, and so on are every players dream schools. They have big time scholarship money.

The math is easy - there are 41,000 players in each graduating high school class and maybe 400 scholarship equivalents at all the D1 schools (some you've not likely even heard of). The odds of receiving ANY funding from ANY D1 school are 0.89% - less than 1 in a 100) - The average award in lacrosse is about $6,000. In all sports only 3.7% of high school players even make the team. Unless you are among the national elite players , at least include a wide range of D1 and other division schools in your target list. Dream high and plan wide.

4. I know a bunch of people who got full rides for lacrosse.

Football and basketball are head count sports where each scholarship is given to an individual for college. Lacrosse is an "equivalency" sport which means that the 12.9 scholarships for D1 and 10.8 for D2 are turned into dollars and awarded in pieces among athletes. In this way an athlete may receive partial tuition, or books, or any dollar amount so long as the total disbursed does not exceed typical expenses times the number of scholarships allowed for that division. Not all programs are fully funded which means that a given school may allocate only a portion of the maximum funding to the program which further limits the funding to be spread among the players in the four college classes.

5. Grades don't matter if you're a recruited athlete.

Quite the contrary. While being a recruited athlete is likely to get you some favorable treatment at the admissions office, NCAA regulations and the standards of colleges are likely to set minimum standards you must meet to be admitted no matter how strongly you are being recruited. Further, a coach assesses the likelihood of your remaining eligible academically, so the athlete with the stronger academic record is going to get the nod over one with lower grades or standardized test scores.

6. Someone can get me recruited. My coach will get me recruited. I filled out the prospective student questionnaire that's enough. I got emails from coaches indicating interest. I was invited to college camp.

All these statements are good indications of interest by colleges and you should welcome them. BUT! During the course of a year a coach may email hundreds of players, invite many players to camp, respond to a vast number of questionnaires... and that is exciting but all it means is that you are noticed. Until you receive a direct offer from a coach you can drop off the recruiting roster in a moment and the coach is not likely to notify you of this. The simple reality is that is up to you to market yourself to the schools you want to attend. No one, and I mean NO ONE, cares as much as you do about this next step in your life!

Are Blue Chip invites out?

Thank you Larry

How do you secure a Blue Chip invite?

Is this the same Showcase as the Blue Chip 225? That has a registration process with your coach recommendation needed.

Jake Reed is also called Blue Chip.

Please advise all of us who are new to the process.

Several Showcase dates are coming up. How do you know, besides conflicts with your club team playing dates, which ones to attend and which ones to skip????

No Jake Reed Blue Chip direct invites to be had this year for 2019. Only way in is through 3d Blue Chip in Fla two weeks from now. Play in for July camp.

Know what your son is pursuing!
Extremely difficult to make any level college roster. Older son is a Freshman at a decent D3 program (very good school) He started lax in 1st grade. Nearly 60 kids playing. We're in an average lax town. 11 kids made it to senior year. 4 started 3 more played and 4 others never saw the field on 10+ win team last season. A grand total of 3 boys are now playing in college, all D3. When you finally get to school, the college coach who said they don't cut recruits, he cut 4 of them in fall ball. Now you've made the team, your 18 years old and competing for playing time against men 20-22 years old. (time to get over the age thing). Morals of the story: Make sure your son likes the school. Don't go to school to play lax. It's not easy to get on any college roster at any level. Average day: Meeting, practice, lift. Back to your dorm 4 hours later. 6 days a week.(did I mention this is the commitment at D3?) Be prepared to shovel the field for practice. You better love it, cause it's really hard!

BRAVO Larry!
Now back to lacrosse!

Great to hear the reality of it all.

Looking forward to more insight from those of you who have been there, done that.

Jake Reed and Blue Chip are generally considered the best 2 camps around. Invites for both have gone out. There are many ways to be seen. Certain tournamnets have individual showcases. Narrow down the schools that your son is interested in and see if they have a camp or will be at a particular showcase. it takes some work.

My kid is in 8th grade. Going to fla next week. Do we have to begin the "work" as you put it now? Can it wait another year??

anybody know anything good, bad, or ugly about this showcase process? just another way of parting you from your money or legit tool for college coaches to get an early bead on potential players? specific info related to the 3d blue chip showcase coming up next week if anybody has been there?

Same question, what is supposed to come outta this for an 8th grader, beyond wowing the evaluators? Can something be gained if not selected to Jake Reed? Does it " get your kid's name out there" as was alluded for selling point? (Watching SuperBowl in Fla at poolside at a resort was our selling point) or is it a dead end with his vitals and performance in a trash bin come March. Any insight appreciated.

My kid in eight grade made everything did not help in all. Went to one showcase played good. Getting a lot of interest. Jake reed, blue chip waste if money.

Blue Chip 225 is first come, first served. You only need a coach's recommendation to get an invite. They have 2 levels at each grade Elite (A) and Varsity (B).

What works for one person regarding recruiting may not work for another. JR was extremely helpful for my older son. The above is true for club team as well - my older son did not get any support from his club but his high school coach was critical. I am sure that many clubs have supported their players. I have friends that swear by their club coaches. IMO you need to continue try different avenues until you find the the right gatekeeper (person that can get you in front of the coaches of the schools you care about) but ultimately you need to be proactive and positive for your son. We shot for the moon (regarding college commitment) and many thought were we not realistic but it came together and we are happy. We will try and do the same steps for my 2019 but his path might be completely different. Maybe club will be critical and school will not help - we will see how it plays and be as supportive as possible.....

[quote=Anonymous]Blue Chip 225 is first come, first served. You only need a coach's recommendation to get an invite. They have 2 levels at each grade Elite (A) and Varsity (B).[/quote


Blue Chip 225 is NOT the 3D Blue Chip camp that is being discussed.

Can someone please re-post the link to the video of the Notre Dame coaches discussing what they look for in a recruit? I think it got flushed along with this 2.0 thread. Thanks.

anyone go to Blue Chip and see what the landscape of holdbacks are. I know this coming weekend is the weekend for Li but Since this weekend was closed out not sure who may have taken advantage of the other "Open weak".

Anyone know how this Jake Reed thing works? I was told that depending on the player's performance this weekend, invitatoons would then go out for the July Camp at UMass.... I understand that some invitations have already been sent to players. How is this? Just a money scam? How can they invite players that have not yet been enauated? Anyone have any real experience or knowledge? Not looking for sarcasm. Thank you in advance

The big weekends were the one after 1/1 and MLK weekend. My son was there the weekend after 1/1 and the competition was very good. Fighting Clams, Tomahawks, Laxachussetts, 91, Express, Dukes, Mesa Fresh, FCA, Breakers, 3d from everywhere and good kids from all over the south. It was a great weekend.

Regarding JR Camp which is coming up this weekend:

Long Island players are considered Mid-Atlantic according to JR. That is why my son is going this weekend. I did view the website and saw several of the LI players 2018 and above were listed as North East Region players but they play for HS on Long Island.

When we registered, I was told my son could attend any weekend if there was room for him.

I was told that invitations would be extended for the July camp to the 2019 players who had a good tryout this weekend.

Until I hear otherwise, I have to believe that some of the players who try out this weekend will get an invitation.

How would I even know if a player from this weekends group was selected? Unless it was a player I knew personally, I will never know.

The confusion is due to the other Blue chip camp 225. Invitations went out for that this week. Totally separate thing.

Back up to the blue chip 225 camp having 2 levels for 2019. How is it determined which level a player is in If they have not yet been evaluated?

Its a trick to get your kid with weaker players the Mid-Atlantic has the best kids mostly 91 Extreme and Orange kids. Northeast has weaker players.

My kid has did nothing for 2 years, we got an invite to 225. all about $$$$$

Almost all of the 3D kids my legit 2019 played with and against were holdbacks - do the recruiting talk that is part of this...the 3D folks openly encourage you to hold back.

225 is not Jake Reed !!! Its a money grab !!!

When will you find out if your son will get invited to attend the July camp?

Coming from LI, did you feel your son was as good, if not better, than the holdback players?

Are you familiar with any other players who attended during your session and if so, how did they compare on the field?

Recognized some of the players, not all. Plenty of players from CT / LI / NY...plus MANY from Ohio, Georgia, PA.
If my son doesnt make it, it isnt because of the holdbacks - many bigger kids, good athletes, but just don't have the lacrosse skills (3D team kids) as many others - that was VERY evident if the evaluators were paying attention.
They said around 3/1 for notifications either way.
Very curious what % of the invites goto 3d program kids versus non 3d kids.
In short, having attended arguably the largest session (1st one), I wasn't blown away by the skills on the field. Anyone from a good club team up here should represent very well.
Best of luck

Great assessment.

From what I have been seeing on the fields, our 2019 LI players are athletes who are very skilled with great lax IQ plus they are tough and they all believe in playing their best game all the time. I too, am interested to see the % of invites sent out to the masses vs. 3d affiliated players.

We, as parents, are using this experience as a teaching weekend for our son. He will get a real look at what the rest of the country has to offer as far as competitive lax players who are all interested in playing in college. We hope that he realizes he will need to hit the books harder, all year round to maintain excellent grades. Playing, training and practicing are never an issue.

We can only support him on this journey called lax recruiting. It will be up to him to perform on the field and in the classroom. Once he is committed to this, he will be unstoppable. He has the resources: top tier club, coaches, trainers and a great HS. As parents, we are teaching him that lax is a vehicle to get him into a school which he may not have thought about attending.

Thanks again.

3D and JR both a blatant money grab. Throw in lacrosserecruits.com being the clearing house for JR direct viewing videos for a premium and you've got a 3 pronged attack to separate parents from their dollars for 2 solid years up until Fall Junior year when NCAA mandated cloak of silence is lifted only to find out Big Time Lacrosse U never had any interest in Little Johnny in the first place. Instead of trying to buy his way into JR with all this nonsense, spend that money attending select prospect camps at schools that are academically and athletically in reach. It's all a well orchestrated plan to capitalize on parents' and players' insecurities with LR "shout outs" and "spray and pray" prophecies all designed to profit from the growth of a sport that is and will be non-revenue generating for colleges. Just my .02 from experience.

Well stated. I got your point.

As one of the 2019 parents heading down to 3d tomorrow, I will be watching, listening and learning about all that 3d has to say regarding our sons having an opportunity to play for a college.

I will take into consideration all of the points you made regarding 3d keeping parents on the hook for 2+ years, waiting for some kind of a return on our investment, only to find out that "Oswald" was not even on the radar of a school we thought was interested.

Thanks.

Safe travels to all the friends headed down to Florida. May the boys play well, learn a trick or two and have some fun during the process.

For the 8-10 Long Island 2019 8th graders who are going and MAY be on some D1's school's radar, good luck. For all the rest, this sounds like a giant and very expensive hand job…….

8-10 is generous. Not taking away from our talent , most of our 2019's are actual 2001 and maybe late 2000's. No one really overpowering. Just being realistic.

You have 2000's who are 2019? Is that possible? Then your ears are going to start bleeding when you hear the 3D guys openly encourage to reclassify your kid.

So what your alluding to is the over powering kids would be the hold back with early 2000 DOB's. Enjoy boys! it is a bumpy ride.

December 2000 is not a holdback.

The LI 2019's who are at 3d are ALL considered to be great players for their positions. They are true athletes who play multiple sports. In addition, they are ALL bright students who happen to be growing up to be fine young men.

Our Strong Island 2019's are all very good players. Every time one of our teams are in a tourney, the opposition gears up to play hard.

That is great for our boys. They have our financial support which gives them inroads to great trainers and coaches. As I see it, LI has not seen the need to jump on the holdback train.

I am sure we will hear all about the competition when they return. Remember, it is 2019, 18, 17 and 2016 there playing this weekend. The 2016's and 17's have a lot at stake. I believe our 2019's will be able to hold their own.

GREAT for them when they do. Knowing they did it without cheating and still having so much time to become great players. They are only in the 8th grade.

There are more than (13) LI 2019 players at 3d. Those are the boys I do know. However, I am familiar with the ones I don't know personally, all good, strong, solid players who are stars on their school and club teams.

We have nothing to worry about. Our 8th grade boys are skilled and well trained. They do not have to be the biggest to be the best.

They will all come away from this weekend more aware of what they need to do to keep on top.

That my friend, is priceless. Every penny spent on this weekend will come back ten fold if they all come back and challenge themselves to be better players and great students.

It is too soon to worry about DI vs. DIII yet. They are wearing braces, discovering girls and still like mom and dad.

I wish all of them well. A healthy rest of the winter and a quick end to the cold so we can go out and watch them all play.

Now that's a great post. 😊

Which clubs are being represented down in FLA this weekend?

How the LI boys doing at Jake Reed?

Strong Island players are doing well. Strong, sound, tough lacrosse players.

Eye opening how many great 8th graders are out there. Really quick, strong, fast, SMART lacrosse players who are not from LI.

If a player gets I ker for the Jake Reed camp in July- then what? Is there also a team?

Sorry- auto correct above. What happens next if a player gets invited back for Jake Reed?

From what was said at the camp, 2019's should not worry about getting looked at by college coaches at this point. They should play, practice, train and keep healthy.

They told us only a few invites will be extended to 2019's. The teams were fairly balanced. Plenty of offensive drills all weekend and plenty of goals attempted. Many made, many saved.

Invitations are said to come out March 1st.

My son is there to witness what he will be up against in the future. He is playing with the best. The game is quick, fast, and the boys are flying up and down the field passing and shooting. Every game is college paced.

The boys are getting a work out and they are mentally exhausted.

All good things. Playing lacrosse on a high level everyday is demanding. He is learning that now and it will remain with him, especially because HE WANTS to be the best, every game. He has found out that it is hard to be the best every game when every player on your team also wants to be the best.

He told me he has work to do when he comes home.

That was the best thing he could have said to me. It made the entire weekend worth it.

Wishing good health and a quick end to winter to all of our 2019's.

Great info. Thank you. I am still unsure of the invite. Is that for a second camp in the summer? Is that for a team? And are they choosing a group or team for every age group or just one team or set of invites inclusive of all the age groups? How many players will be invited back and will there be equal numbers from each age invited back?

It says 120 from each age group invited to the summer camp on the website.

Madlax is the best 2019 team in the country

Why is Madlax 2019 the best 2019 team in the USA?

Most likely because they have the most kids on the team that should either be 2018's or 2017's... That would be my guess.

They aren't. Thet aren't the best 2019 team in the DC/Maryland area.

Let me guess, you're a 2019 player from Looneys, or Crabs, etc stirring the pot?
Go back to your homework and get to bed early.

I'm from NYC, I would like to see the 2019 teams from Team 91, Long Island Express and Long Island Express Westchester play a team like Madlax if they are that good. I've watched the NY-based teams play a few times and all three have unbelievable talent for 13 year olds. I would like to watch a team that plays at a higher level, beautiful game when played right.

Not that the club directors would ever let it happen, but to have the three teams mentioned above along with Crabs, Dukes and Madlax in the same tournament would be great. It would truly showcase how much talent is spread across these clubs at 2019.

120 FROM EACH AGE GROUP FROM ALL 5 WEEKENDS OF PLAY.

My son was on the team that won all 4 games they played and it was some of the best lacrosse I've seen at this age. Coaching was great and all kids had plenty of playing time. What a great experience for all these boys.
Best of luck to those who get picked !

If only they were all only 13. Try 13/14/15. Would love to know the ages of the players.

2019 What is your districts policy on bringing up MS players for HS lax. How do you find out what the policy is? What is typically the hardest part of being moved up. What do the rigors of the test truly prove. Especially for a goalie.

Are there any exemption to taking the test.

If the varsity coach needs/wants him to be on the team, he'll make it happen

there are 2 tests for a MS player playing up, a physical test for JV play and another for Varsity. The difference being time on run and possibly pullups, not 100% sure. The test for Varsity is only taken if the times/results when the JV test results didn't qualify the athlete for Varsity play. There shouldn't be any expemption. I think bringing an athlete up is at the discretion of the coaches. In lacrosse I think the Speed of the game is the biggest adjustment as well as playing vs. 16+yr old players as a 13/14 year old. you can have a big 8th grader move up, but they aren't nearly filled out as a 16+yr old. physicality and speed hardest part.

My son was asked to play up as a goalie. There was no test that I know of. He had been playing up as long as I could remember so it was almost natural for him those were his lax friends. I wouldn't allow him to go to varsity. Because I thought it would be best to play w his friends and for playing time. The worst part of it all was the diagram they gave us to describe what stage of puberty he was at. They had several pictures of a boys/mans privates and we had to check off what stage he was at. Honestly at that time I hadn't seen his in quite some time so I lied. I really thought it was the strangest piece of paper I ever filled out
I do recall he had a few physical test he needed to take like a mile run so many pull ups push ups if he failed he could keep taking until he passed. They were not very rigorous from what I recall.

A lot more than just a run and pull ups. Its mile run, shuttle run, arm hang, broad jump and the tanner puberty chart. Our district will not pull a player up from middle school unless they play varsity not just JV.

In NY it is called selection classification. Your school's website should have info on it. If not, contact the AD. In our district the deadline is this week.

Did anyone receive the game film from Jake Reed? What did you all think?

Waste of time and money at this stage.

http://www.p12.nysed.gov/ciai/pe/documents/scrivised2005.pdf

Here is a web site with the paperwork for the Selection Classification test.

Madlax smoked Crabs and only lost to Dukes barely in the summer with the best player injured. And they have the best goalie, attack men, in the country.

How old are the kids down there? Are they legal age yet?

not one single kid over the age limit. I just looked on the roster it states their birth dates.

madlax cant beat CRUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

they beat crush 11-2 at young guns

Where did you see dobs

Madlax people come n here trying to spark talk about their team. Go back south

I'm pretty sure it was the other way around.

I saw a few clips and it looked pretty good.

It may have been "Orange Crush" VERY VERY different team than team 91 2020 Crush, definitely did not beat 2020 91 crush.

Im positive they played at 8:50 it says on crabs website and they beat Crabs 8-4.

My son was very happy to SEE the video. To watch the film of the games was very valuable for him.

The level of competition was great. The speed of the game was fast paced. The pressure was on all the time.

He was able to see exactly what he did throughout the games. He told us he will make adjustments based on what he saw.

In addition, the quality of the video was terrific. Professional camera guys who understand the game of lacrosse were the men who were filming.

Having paid for "professional" lax video before, this one was far more superior.

As far as price, check around, they charged the going rate.

It was worth it for my son.

Well stated agree 100%

Thanks for letting us know!

Glad to hear it

Madlax 2019 would smoke crush 2020

Saw them play in DC a few weeks ago and Crush was up by a sizable margin . Madlax didn't even make finals it was a 91 final

Madlax lost to Crush by about 10 goals in DC a few weeks ago. Crush went on to beat 2019 91 team in a crazy final.

So what is the going rate???...That would help in making the decision

Love how madlax comes on here stirring up conversation on themselves.

Madlax Who??

I agree, especially with all the 2017 and 2018 HOLDBACKS im sure they will be playing with the coming season.

Did 2020 91 Crush play and beat 2019 91 Orange?

Yes

Never beat them !!

Never happened.

haha Noooo not Madlax

Was anyone concerned with the 3D administration & staff pushing for reclassification? Telling all us parents that we are putting our kids at a disadvantage? Was very taken back. I know it's done often but I thought it was not looked upon in a good way by professionals.

Buckle in, it only goes down hill from here. Wait till this fall when all the parents make their final decision to hold back for school in September. If your son will be doing any recruiting venues this fall, be prepared for him to be playing against kids 1-2 years older. It's beyond out of control now.

LMAO my son would quit playing lacrosse if I made him repeat the 8th grade. Since he started playing in the 3rd grade the focus has always been on academics which in turn has produced a straight A student. He has also achieved on the field. My advice to my son has always been that he will go to a very good college because of his grades and if he is able to play lacrosse there that would be a nice perk. We live on Long Island where the reclassification game is not as big as it is in other parts of the country. Have a nice day.

Are they Professionals?
Did they go to medical school, engineering, etc? The answer is No, and they're only lax people. There's a bigger life out there than 3D.

They are all salesman don't listen to them..if everyone did it the private schools would make a fortune !!