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Due to the interest of our neighbors in the Philadelphia area, we now have a forum just for them!!

Welcome Pa.!!!!!
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Tommy....would be great as a good will gesture if the PA. folks treated all here to cheesesteaks and pretzels...just sayin'...
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Tommy....would be great as a good will gesture if the PA. folks treated all here to cheesesteaks and pretzels...just sayin'...


I think we may have to travel there... I have connections, though! wink
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Throw in a few cases of Yuengling and we are all good to go....LOL
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Throw in a few cases of Yuengling and we are all good to go....LOL


Hahaha.. looks like we are spoiled, eh?
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Cheesesteaks and Yuengling - a wonderful combination.
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Cheesesteaks and Yuengling - a wonderful combination.


and for entertainment... lacrosse!!
Awesome to be here and thanks for setting up a page just for Philly Lax!
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True Philadelphians know that cheese steaks are for tourists, the real deal are the roast pork from DaNics or John roast pork!
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Awesome to be here and thanks for setting up a page just for Philly Lax!


Great to have you!! I hope that our N.Y.'ers treat you well! It does tend to get a bit choppy in these threads.
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Don't worry Freedom parents will be on here soon enough, chopping it up.
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Or the BL crew spouting their multi sport athletes. Lmao
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Well at least our multi sport athletes win tournaments! BLOVE can beat anyone around here.
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Or the BL crew spouting their multi sport athletes. Lmao
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Let's rate the 2020 groups...
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Let's rate the 2020 groups...

Freedom did not make it to the playoff bracket at the NXT invatational this past weeekend.
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What are the best Philly teams in each age group?
2020
2021
2022
2023
2024
????
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What are the best Philly teams in each age group?
2020
2021
2022
2023
2024
????


2021 – Mesa
2022 – Freedom
2023 – Brotherly Love
2024 – Brotherly Love
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BL 2023 without a doubt, 2024 probably but they can be beat
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Another philly club just announced. Team 11 Joey Sankey. How many teams can they fit in that small area? Must be 20+ They have the kids to field 4-5 AA Teams at every year just not 20. Everyone trying to make a living with youth lacrosse. Hats off to the true non profits still out there. It use to be guys like Sankey would come coach for a top club. Not anymore. All want to do it themselves. Should be called Team 21
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Another philly club just announced. Team 11 Joey Sankey. How many teams can they fit in that small area? Must be 20+ They have the kids to field 4-5 AA Teams at every year just not 20. Everyone trying to make a living with youth lacrosse. Hats off to the true non profits still out there. It use to be guys like Sankey would come coach for a top club. Not anymore. All want to do it themselves. Should be called Team 21


How many AA clubs? 2 or 3?

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Not in the same club. 2020: Sons, Freedom, HHH 2021: Mesa, Sons 2022: Freedom, Sons, Dukes 2023: BLove, Mesa, Roughriders, Sons 2024: BLove, RR,
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Does Filia bring anything to the Boys side of Mesa?
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It brings economies of scale to both entities on the business side. Both are pretty pricey programs and at the youth level 8th grade on down Mesa struggles to compete at the national elite level. The Mesa high school teams are excellent.
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How are the Dukes teams?
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the youth is really bad outside of their one national 2022 team. HS is not great. They don't play the top competition anymore. This passport alliance they run does not have very strong teams in it at all. Rumor is Dukes youth is done, complete mess between owners.
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How are the Dukes teams?
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the youth is really bad outside of their one national 2022 team. HS is not great. They don't play the top competition anymore. This passport alliance they run does not have very strong teams in it at all. Rumor is Dukes youth is done, complete mess between owners.
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How are the Dukes teams?


The 2022 Dukes "national" team is not even kids that play for Dukes. It is kids from other clubs that had a free weekend or two to play a tournament together. Right?
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At the high school level Mesa and NXT has surpassed Dukes. Dukes will die a slow death as their youth teams are really bad. Rumor of mess between owners is true.
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Rising Sons just announced two 2020's who committed. One to Hopkins and one to Penn State. I believe the 2020's are moving on to NXT for high school. NXT will dominate the philadelphia region soon.
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uh oh, HHH out at Penn Charter, Sankey in with team 11. Things are falling apart, should have stuck with Dukes, $$ kills all.
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Congrats we will be trying out for the Rising Sons this year
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Rising Sons just announced two 2020's who committed. One to Hopkins and one to Penn State. I believe the 2020's are moving on to NXT for high school. NXT will dominate the philadelphia region soon.
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Congrats we will be trying out for the Rising Sons this year
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Rising Sons just announced two 2020's who committed. One to Hopkins and one to Penn State. I believe the 2020's are moving on to NXT for high school. NXT will dominate the philadelphia region soon.


Good luck trying OT for Rising Sons, the just folded their 2020 team.
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HHH partnering with Uprising is coach out of Penn Charter?
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The one DELETED is not very good. Must be a relationship thing. Frank
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Congrats we will be trying out for the Rising Sons this year
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Rising Sons just announced two 2020's who committed. One to Hopkins and one to Penn State. I believe the 2020's are moving on to NXT for high school. NXT will dominate the philadelphia region soon.


Good luck trying OT for Rising Sons, the just folded their 2020 team.
I don't think they folded they are moving over under NXT Control. Website says tryouts are for 2026 thru 2021. Feeder program i'm assuming for NXT based on the chatter
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BL 2023 without a doubt, 2024 probably but they can be beat


yes they can. don't have much beyond the big mid
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They have 3 kids that make that BL 2024 team go 1 attack 1 middie and their fogo is top notch the rest of the team is B talent for sure
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Really? They just played Team91 and lost 5-3 and Madlax they lost 6-7 and those 2 teams are easily top 3 in the country at 2024 a bit more to them than just 1 middie
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Congrats we will be trying out for the Rising Sons this year
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Rising Sons just announced two 2020's who committed. One to Hopkins and one to Penn State. I believe the 2020's are moving on to NXT for high school. NXT will dominate the philadelphia region soon.


Good luck trying OT for Rising Sons, the just folded their 2020 team.
I don't think they folded they are moving over under NXT Control. Website says tryouts are for 2026 thru 2021. Feeder program i'm assuming for NXT based on the chatter



Funny, NXT has younger teams too, why do they need a feeder program. And, why would anyone want to try out for a 2021 team that is folding in a year? Seems odd to me. Also, NXT has a current 2020 team, so if the Rising Sons are all moving over there, what is happening to their current team? My guess is some current NXT players will make the team, some current Rising Sons will make the team and maybe even some other kids will make the team. Leaving lots of players on those teams also looking for a home. Seems really strange to me that the Rising Sons are folding because, according to some on this website, they are the "best" out there, why would they fold and leave a portion of the team high and dry?!?
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Open Tryout at HS level for NXT however most Sons i'd assume will make it. Every club has tryouts every year. NXT is no different other than the fact that if you make the 9th grade team you never tryout again. I see the benefit of Rising Sons continue to train and develop kids to prepare them for HS. Not sure if its similar to the old Dukes HHH arrangement or not?
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Congrats we will be trying out for the Rising Sons this year
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rising Sons just announced two 2020's who committed. One to Hopkins and one to Penn State. I believe the 2020's are moving on to NXT for high school. NXT will dominate the philadelphia region soon.


Good luck trying OT for Rising Sons, the just folded their 2020 team.
I don't think they folded they are moving over under NXT Control. Website says tryouts are for 2026 thru 2021. Feeder program i'm assuming for NXT based on the chatter



Funny, NXT has younger teams too, why do they need a feeder program. And, why would anyone want to try out for a 2021 team that is folding in a year? Seems odd to me. Also, NXT has a current 2020 team, so if the Rising Sons are all moving over there, what is happening to their current team? My guess is some current NXT players will make the team, some current Rising Sons will make the team and maybe even some other kids will make the team. Leaving lots of players on those teams also looking for a home. Seems really strange to me that the Rising Sons are folding because, according to some on this website, they are the "best" out there, why would they fold and leave a portion of the team high and dry?!?
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RS would feed NXT for the following reasons:
1. Lack of coaching resources for high school
2. NXT showcases are a big draw and RS probably promoting recruiting connection
Interstingly enough that team as a whole left RS for another club when they got caught cheating with over grade kids in the NXT League at Conshocken.

The real question is why NXT would partner up with RS fully knowing that RS leadership was cheating in their own NXT League. Once a cheat always a cheat and it doesn't get anymore blatant than having kids that are ineligible play on a team, that ironically nobody was going to beat them anyone. The rest of the RS teams from 2025 - 2022 are average to poor. They had a nice run for a couple of years but believe they are on the decline, they needed a lifeline.
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I agree, I don't understand why NXT would want another "feeder" program, when they have their own younger teams. I also don't know why families would choose to play for a program (rising sons) that is a dead end. And if NXT is so great for training at the HS level, why not go directly to NXT because I am sure their training is also good for their youth programs too.
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I agree, I don't understand why NXT would want another "feeder" program, when they have their own younger teams. I also don't know why families would choose to play for a program (rising sons) that is a dead end. And if NXT is so great for training at the HS level, why not go directly to NXT because I am sure their training is also good for their youth programs too.
I'm thinking the other way. Rising Sons should just run their 2020's through HS. I know they are moving to nxt so someone can handle all the recruiting but it looks like their doing a good enough job of it. Rising Sons coaching has been the best that we have been around. The training is unbelievable and their philosophy of how they play. Trust me we've been around numerous programs and my son learned more in the tryouts than he did his whole summer with his old program. I would love to see them just keep the kids through HS.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
RS would feed NXT for the following reasons:
1. Lack of coaching resources for high school
2. NXT showcases are a big draw and RS probably promoting recruiting connection
Interstingly enough that team as a whole left RS for another club when they got caught cheating with over grade kids in the NXT League at Conshocken.

The real question is why NXT would partner up with RS fully knowing that RS leadership was cheating in their own NXT League. Once a cheat always a cheat and it doesn't get anymore blatant than having kids that are ineligible play on a team, that ironically nobody was going to beat them anyone. The rest of the RS teams from 2025 - 2022 are average to poor. They had a nice run for a couple of years but believe they are on the decline, they needed a lifeline.
Keep saying that to yourself you might feel better. The truth is the talent at all these clubs in mediocre. Everyone has a half dozen or so AA kids. BL probably has more athletes at the younger ages so they are successful right now. and may continue on that trajectory. However all in all the talent is spread out everywhere which leads everyone to being "average" as you put it. There are no other teams from 2022-2025 that are lighting it up. Parents are crazy so they will try and move their kid to where they think the winning team will be. And by the time they realize it doesn't matter it will be too late. My suggestion get with a club that teaches the game properly. Now 98% of parents have no idea what they means thats ok because neither do 90% of the coaches out there. I'd ask parents from both winning teams, 50/50 teams and losing teams what their experience is. How is the training? Is there a consistent message with their coaches. Did your sons have fun? How was the level of competition they played? How are the parents? Did you see improvements in your son...in your sons team? I'm sure i'm missing some but some negative people will jump on here and point them out. Good luck. There are some good choices out there. Oh and there are some bad ones.
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I agree, I don't understand why NXT would want another "feeder" program, when they have their own younger teams. I also don't know why families would choose to play for a program (rising sons) that is a dead end. And if NXT is so great for training at the HS level, why not go directly to NXT because I am sure their training is also good for their youth programs too.
I'm thinking the other way. Rising Sons should just run their 2020's through HS. I know they are moving to nxt so someone can handle all the recruiting but it looks like their doing a good enough job of it. Rising Sons coaching has been the best that we have been around. The training is unbelievable and their philosophy of how they play. Trust me we've been around numerous programs and my son learned more in the tryouts than he did his whole summer with his old program. I would love to see them just keep the kids through HS.


Rising sons used to be coached by quality coaches, but they have all been chased off by a crazy dad. Right now they are the biggest daddy ball program out there
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Couldn't agree more resist the urge to go wtih the "hot team" the reality is whether you are in LI, MD, or Philly area they all have teams that are successful but it changes every season as players move around. Best 2022 Team is moving alot of players from HHH back to Freedom where they came from all chasing the scholarship and committment to a D1 program. Most of these kids that get that commitment rarely go on to succeed at the Collegiate Level. Even MD attackman from Philly in all honesty for being the #1 recruit in the country, most would say has underperformed thus far at MD. Look at the kid from Brown that won the Tewaarton he was a nobody in high school/club ball. Trevor Baptiste was headed to DIII program as a Senior until Denver hit the jackpot with him. How well is Stanwick playing for Hopkins right now considering he was th #1 recruit in the country. It is a a crap shoot and all these crazy parents chasing the dream at middle school really need a reality check. Most of these kids that are lighting it up in 3-8 grade are successful because they got their growth spurt early and hit puberty earlier than their neighbor or they happened to have a dad/mom that stuck a lacrosse stick in their hand at 2 years old. Always be wary of the kid that succeeds because he is big, long term not usually successful. Look for the kids with vision, feel, field IQ, unselfish, and skills....alot of times that all comes together later in life.
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Plus the cheating thing...no need to do it and it just makes you look bad.....real bad.
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BLove will be succssful long term cause they poach other clubs AA players. Our goalie at RR just left to go there and I hear they poached another kid from Freedom. The RR goalie is the best 2024 goalie in the area and the other kid is pretty good. I am sure they will get more at their tryouts that the stole from other programs. I am hearing they also stole the best middie from RR 2023.
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I agree, I don't understand why NXT would want another "feeder" program, when they have their own younger teams. I also don't know why families would choose to play for a program (rising sons) that is a dead end. And if NXT is so great for training at the HS level, why not go directly to NXT because I am sure their training is also good for their youth programs too.
I'm thinking the other way. Rising Sons should just run their 2020's through HS. I know they are moving to nxt so someone can handle all the recruiting but it looks like their doing a good enough job of it. Rising Sons coaching has been the best that we have been around. The training is unbelievable and their philosophy of how they play. Trust me we've been around numerous programs and my son learned more in the tryouts than he did his whole summer with his old program. I would love to see them just keep the kids through HS.


Rising sons used to be coached by quality coaches, but they have all been chased off by a crazy dad. Right now they are the biggest daddy ball program out there
Thats funny, but not accurate. Hahaha, no coaches have left their program. Their 2021 are coached by a non dad, 2022-non dad, 2023 Dad but US Lacrosse Coach of the year (probably should get rid of him) 2024-non dad. Oh and Mesa, all dads. And there is nothing wrong with it. Roughriders, dads, Freedom...dads. Twist...dads. Brother love....dads, etc, etc etc.
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I agree, I don't understand why NXT would want another "feeder" program, when they have their own younger teams. I also don't know why families would choose to play for a program (rising sons) that is a dead end. And if NXT is so great for training at the HS level, why not go directly to NXT because I am sure their training is also good for their youth programs too.
I'm thinking the other way. Rising Sons should just run their 2020's through HS. I know they are moving to nxt so someone can handle all the recruiting but it looks like their doing a good enough job of it. Rising Sons coaching has been the best that we have been around. The training is unbelievable and their philosophy of how they play. Trust me we've been around numerous programs and my son learned more in the tryouts than he did his whole summer with his old program. I would love to see them just keep the kids through HS.


Rising sons used to be coached by quality coaches, but they have all been chased off by a crazy dad. Right now they are the biggest daddy ball program out there
Thats funny, but not accurate. Hahaha, no coaches have left their program. Their 2021 are coached by a non dad, 2022-non dad, 2023 Dad but US Lacrosse Coach of the year (probably should get rid of him) 2024-non dad. Oh and Mesa, all dads. And there is nothing wrong with it. Roughriders, dads, Freedom...dads. Twist...dads. Brother love....dads, etc, etc etc.


Who "coached" their 2020 team?
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What is this a list of? The best teams by year?
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Not accurate! The entire Sons 21 coaching staff left, the new guy lasted 6 months and now they are on their 3rd. The 22s are on their 3rd coach as well.
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Who won Keystone Games?
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It is not a mess between both owners. The original owner is fine. It is the other guy who was asked by Dukes to start a youth program. It is that guy who screwed everything up. And now it is the HS Duke's team making the Youth teams take the "Duke's" name off their jerseys. That one guy has burned ALOT of bridges in the lacrosse world!
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Rating 2021, 2022, 2023 and 2024 travel teams is useless - who really cares what a 4th, 5th, 6th or 7th grader is doing in travel lacrosse or how good the team is. You are wasting your tim
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That is the point of this forum.
Those of us that do care and welcome discussions about programs such as pros and cons, coaching, educations, fundamentals, and yes what are the programs that are good and those that are not. Check out the Long Island or Maryland Forums. They discuss these kinds of aspects of club lacrosse quite a bit. They do seem to spend the majority of the time insulting each other and accusing each other of cheating; however, that again is the purpose of this forum. Perhaps it is you that is wasting time, if you really "don't care"
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Rating 2021, 2022, 2023 and 2024 travel teams is useless - who really cares what a 4th, 5th, 6th or 7th grader is doing in travel lacrosse or how good the team is. You are wasting your tim


Hey Knucklehead. You are wasting our time. Feel free to bugger off.
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It is not a mess between both owners. The original owner is fine. It is the other guy who was asked by Dukes to start a youth program. It is that guy who screwed everything up. And now it is the HS Duke's team making the Youth teams take the "Duke's" name off their jerseys. That one guy has burned ALOT of bridges in the lacrosse world!


Are highschool and youth teams run the same in regards of minicamps?
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Is Philly going to have any teams that are going and try to qualify for Denver? None of the clubs in the area are age eligible so it will have to be a one off team.
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I know of at least two that are planning to go. Interestingly enough the World Series of Youth Lacrosse uses a different age requirement that allows older boys to play. They do no use the US Lacrosse 9/1 cut off as you may expect. Just got this right off their website today. I know of some local Philly clubs that below date makes a huge difference and results in all players being eligible.

All players must be born on or after 5/1/2002. Each player will be required to submit a copy of their birth certificate.
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The purpose of this forum?? We all know what this forum is for, it's for people to anonymously attack each other, other programs, coaches, etc. in the very rare case someone asks a good question it will get obscured by someone and next thing you know everyone is arguing. This is my first visit to this site because I had a parent this past week d tell me about it and I am amazed it exists! Asking about the quality of a progam, it's coaches, organization, is fine but debating who is the best rising 5th grade lacrosse team is nuts.
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Youth was won by Lehigh Valley and middle school was won by Pittsburgh
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Not a feeder and not a merger. NXT is doing a few sessions of training for rising Sons because the sons couldn't keep it going after 8th grade. They tried to merge with everyone and everyone said no so they decided to stop at 8th
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Are you saying Sons 21 is a AA club? They lost to Stars and Stripes, Rough Riders, Freedom and a bunch of other guys. The only 21 AA clubs in Philadelphia are Mesa, just this year, HHH, and Freedom. After that you have Sons, Rough Riders and Fusion and below that are Dukes South, Dukes Young Gunz, Black Bear, NXT, twist, Headstrong
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That may be but a [lacrosse] of a lot more fun than the conference call that I have had on mute for the last 45 minutes.
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You want to be amazed that it exists check out the hits and threads on the main site which seems to be Long Island based. Better than Judge Judy.
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I know of at least two that are planning to go. Interestingly enough the World Series of Youth Lacrosse uses a different age requirement that allows older boys to play. They do no use the US Lacrosse 9/1 cut off as you may expect. Just got this right off their website today. I know of some local Philly clubs that below date makes a huge difference and results in all players being eligible.

All players must be born on or after 5/1/2002. Each player will be required to submit a copy of their birth certificate.


That was last years cut off check again 09/01/03. Kinda screws thos years batch of late summer birthday 2022's
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And they said no to a bunch of clubs. This is looking like the long island page very quickly where they bash the top clubs. Go on there, they bash 91, express, igloo and legacy. It will be the same here. We get it your anti sons, your kid probably got cut and now you want anonymous revenge. Their a good club, not for everyone but they do their best.
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Not a feeder and not a merger. NXT is doing a few sessions of training for rising Sons because the sons couldn't keep it going after 8th grade. They tried to merge with everyone and everyone said no so they decided to stop at 8th
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And they said no to a bunch of clubs. This is looking like the long island page very quickly where they bash the top clubs. Go on there, they bash 91, express, igloo and legacy. It will be the same here. We get it your anti sons, your kid probably got cut and now you want anonymous revenge. Their a good club, not for everyone but they do their best.
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Not a feeder and not a merger. NXT is doing a few sessions of training for rising Sons because the sons couldn't keep it going after 8th grade. They tried to merge with everyone and everyone said no so they decided to stop at 8th


No one is bashing, just pointing out that Rising Sons tried to merge with club and they said "thanks but no thanks"
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I know of at least two that are planning to go. Interestingly enough the World Series of Youth Lacrosse uses a different age requirement that allows older boys to play. They do no use the US Lacrosse 9/1 cut off as you may expect. Just got this right off their website today. I know of some local Philly clubs that below date makes a huge difference and results in all players being eligible.

All players must be born on or after 5/1/2002. Each player will be required to submit a copy of their birth certificate.


That was last years cut off check again 09/01/03. Kinda screws thos years batch of late summer birthday 2022's


Wsyl website still says 5/1. Where do you see 9/1?
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I know of at least two that are planning to go. Interestingly enough the World Series of Youth Lacrosse uses a different age requirement that allows older boys to play. They do no use the US Lacrosse 9/1 cut off as you may expect. Just got this right off their website today. I know of some local Philly clubs that below date makes a huge difference and results in all players being eligible.

All players must be born on or after 5/1/2002. Each player will be required to submit a copy of their birth certificate.


That was last years cut off check again 09/01/03. Kinda screws thos years batch of late summer birthday 2022's


Wsyl website still says 5/1. Where do you see 9/1?


We got an email from the organizer yesterday
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I agree, I don't understand why NXT would want another "feeder" program, when they have their own younger teams. I also don't know why families would choose to play for a program (rising sons) that is a dead end. And if NXT is so great for training at the HS level, why not go directly to NXT because I am sure their training is also good for their youth programs too.
I'm thinking the other way. Rising Sons should just run their 2020's through HS. I know they are moving to nxt so someone can handle all the recruiting but it looks like their doing a good enough job of it. Rising Sons coaching has been the best that we have been around. The training is unbelievable and their philosophy of how they play. Trust me we've been around numerous programs and my son learned more in the tryouts than he did his whole summer with his old program. I would love to see them just keep the kids through HS.


Rising sons used to be coached by quality coaches, but they have all been chased off by a crazy dad. Right now they are the biggest daddy ball program out there
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I agree, I don't understand why NXT would want another "feeder" program, when they have their own younger teams. I also don't know why families would choose to play for a program (rising sons) that is a dead end. And if NXT is so great for training at the HS level, why not go directly to NXT because I am sure their training is also good for their youth programs too.
I'm thinking the other way. Rising Sons should just run their 2020's through HS. I know they are moving to nxt so someone can handle all the recruiting but it looks like their doing a good enough job of it. Rising Sons coaching has been the best that we have been around. The training is unbelievable and their philosophy of how they play. Trust me we've been around numerous programs and my son learned more in the tryouts than he did his whole summer with his old program. I would love to see them just keep the kids through HS.


Rising sons used to be coached by quality coaches, but they have all been chased off by a crazy dad. Right now they are the biggest daddy ball program out there
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I agree, I don't understand why NXT would want another "feeder" program, when they have their own younger teams. I also don't know why families would choose to play for a program (rising sons) that is a dead end. And if NXT is so great for training at the HS level, why not go directly to NXT because I am sure their training is also good for their youth programs too.
I'm thinking the other way. Rising Sons should just run their 2020's through HS. I know they are moving to nxt so someone can handle all the recruiting but it looks like their doing a good enough job of it. Rising Sons coaching has been the best that we have been around. The training is unbelievable and their philosophy of how they play. Trust me we've been around numerous programs and my son learned more in the tryouts than he did his whole summer with his old program. I would love to see them just keep the kids through HS.


Rising sons used to be coached by quality coaches, but they have all been chased off by a crazy dad. Right now they are the biggest daddy ball program out there
says the CRAZY mom
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Who dat TD
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I don't think that is bashing at all. Just a statement that Rising Sons tried to merge with some other clubs and they all declined for whatever reason so they decided to stop at 8th grade.
I am sure it will change over time but as of now the only club getting knocked on even slightly on this page is just Rising Sons. The LI page goes after all the clubs but on here it's really just one. That can't be a good sign.
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You know it is. He loves this site!
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It is not similar to any arrangement, it's not a partnership or a merger. We are simply doing 8 sessions of training for Rising Sons as we would offer to any program. We are inviting their boys to try out for NXT when their current program ends in 8th grade. Their 2020 team is very strong but will have to fight it out with our existing 2020 team for spots, nothing is guaranteed. As next year comes we will talk about doing training then if they want to continue.
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Sweet spelling there TD!
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Freedom 2025 was undefeated this summer in 4 tourneys so I guess they are #1 for 2025
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Sankey needs to break away from Wave One though. They are supposedly funding Team 11 which means things will get ugly fast!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is not similar to any arrangement, it's not a partnership or a merger. We are simply doing 8 sessions of training for Rising Sons as we would offer to any program. We are inviting their boys to try out for NXT when their current program ends in 8th grade. Their 2020 team is very strong but will have to fight it out with our existing 2020 team for spots, nothing is guaranteed. As next year comes we will talk about doing training then if they want to continue.
Whatever you call it. Not sure why they just don't keep it going through high school they obviously don't need help with recruiting when it comes to their 2020's. They've got kids visiting places already and 2 commits. NXT is the only one winning here. They need those kids to field a HS team. Look at HHH and Mesa 2020 teams right now. Decimated because of Freedom and Rising Sons.
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Sankey needs to break away from Wave One though. They are supposedly funding Team 11 which means things will get ugly fast!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sankey needs to break away from Wave One though. They are supposedly funding Team 11 which means things will get ugly fast!


Oh yeah that will be a circus. I give it one summer.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is not similar to any arrangement, it's not a partnership or a merger. We are simply doing 8 sessions of training for Rising Sons as we would offer to any program. We are inviting their boys to try out for NXT when their current program ends in 8th grade. Their 2020 team is very strong but will have to fight it out with our existing 2020 team for spots, nothing is guaranteed. As next year comes we will talk about doing training then if they want to continue.


So basically, Risings Somd dropped their 2020 team and it is every man for himself? Well, I guess you can say a stone that tries out for their younger teams would be totally crazy then. All of those players would be better served going directly to NXT, since they are providing the training for them anyway
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Poaching other team's players?

Club teams need to start realizing that players and families fundamentally have a choice. The club has a responsiblity to every player/family at every grade level to communicate, administrate, develop skills, teach life lessons, while reconciling experience to the expense. If a player leaves a club the onus is on the club to look at themselves in the mirror and ask "why did the player leave?" What did we NOT provide. Perhaps the answer absolves them of culpability or they feign indifference. However with parents paying thousands of dollars in fees to play youth sports all clubs need to recognize that player families are first and foremost, "consumers" and as such they have "a choice." Invariably players will always leave; nobody keeps everyone happy but sustainable success by the top clubs is predicated upon excellence in player development and return on investment. At the end of the day it is an investment by both parents and players and there are to many clubs out there doing the "money grab" charging outlandish fees, putting a carousel of college kids out there to coach, and preying upon star struck parents. Paying 2,000+ a year having 20+ players on the team results in 40K PER TEAM. Why does a youth club team need 40K PER TEAM PER YEAR to operate. Of the Philly based clubs how many of them are truly elite? That is why these players are geting "poached."
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You know we are all just waiting for TD to posts video's of his players laying people out and standing over top of them on YouTube....oh wait, he already has done that. What a class act!
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Legendary Player Frank Urso named HC of Brotherly Love 2022
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Ummm well I guess the 2022 won't be wondering who their coach is.....BL film flam program...will he show up to practice
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Who cares. Doesn't mean he can coach.
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Legendary Player Frank Urso named HC of Brotherly Love 2022
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Give them 2 years and that will be the best team in Philly just like their other teams...flim flam...what does that even mean...and uh yeah he can coach ever hear of the under armour games...HC last 3 years...ever hear of Garnet Valley HC there as well ....flim flam must mean I got my [lacrosse] handed to me by one of their other teams ...give the man some respect he's earned it.
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My son doesn't play for BL, but any idiot questioning
Frank's credentials shouldn't be allowed on here. Google the guy his playing career is unprecedented and his coaching numbers at GV speak for themselves. As for turning that team around that's another story..tough starting a 22 program from pretty much scratch but I would doubt he can do it.
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Typo
Wouldn't doubt he could do it
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who cares. Doesn't mean he can coach.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Legendary Player Frank Urso named HC of Brotherly Love 2022


Who cares if he can coach as long as he can poach. "Scholarships" for club lacrosse to the best kids are out there. Look out Sons, Mesa, and Freedom.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
You know we are all just waiting for TD to posts video's of his players laying people out and standing over top of them on YouTube....oh wait, he already has done that. What a class act!


Not sure he has done this wire his players, the only videos I have heard about are ones DELETED
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WE ARE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You know we are all just waiting for TD to posts video's of his players laying people out and standing over top of them on YouTube....oh wait, he already has done that. What a class act!


Not sure he has done this wire his players, the only videos I have heard about are ones DELETED
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Freedom is fine with the coaches we have, we will not be chasing a club because they bring in a quality coach. Ours are fine.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who cares. Doesn't mean he can coach.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Legendary Player Frank Urso named HC of Brotherly Love 2022


Who cares if he can coach as long as he can poach. "Scholarships" for club lacrosse to the best kids are out there. Look out Sons, Mesa, and Freedom.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
WE ARE
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You know we are all just waiting for TD to posts video's of his players laying people out and standing over top of them on YouTube....oh wait, he already has done that. What a class act!


Not sure he has done this wire his players, the only videos I have heard about are ones DELETED


Easy there TD, no one is anything yet. And, it is comments like that that make people think that you are a total jerk.
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Yes "poaching" is a real thing. Your post is absurd and obviously you are on the poacher side as opposed to poachee. Here is what you are missing, when a player leaves a program to go to another that is fine, there could be many reasons for it. It could be playing time, dispute with coaching philosophy, the kid simply not enjoying himself, etc. etc. That type of departure is not "poaching". Poaching is when a program, in season, contacts a player already rostered on another team and offers that player to come "play in one tournament for us for free, see if you like it" or "how about your 2023 son come play in this showcase event for us". The poacher teams are playing on the system, convincing a parent that their child is getting college looks at the 23 level! That is a blatant lie.
This same program just advertised that they brought on a "college recruiting specialist" yet they have no teams older than 2023?? That is manipulative and a lie to lead these parents to believe their son is getting looks in 6th grade!
So to address your note, yes poaching is a real thing. The standard held by the vast majority of the clubs in Philadelphia is that we do not contact any player already rostered on another program. If they reach out to you that is fine but to actively recruit players off existing teams is a despicable thing only a few teams do. These teams have been called out on here numerous times but just to be clear, they are Brotherly Love and Rising Sons. Rising Sons has gotten a bit better about this but that is primarily because they have lost their luster after their 2021 team fell apart and now their 2020s are done. Brotherly Love has a guy working from them who pumps out propaganda like the Germans in the 1940s! One thing that Rising Sons and Brotherly Love have in common is that both have been caught cheating in the NXT Spring League for having unrostered players play up/down/on multiple teams. BL will fall apart like RS has, give it time.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes "poaching" is a real thing. Your post is absurd and obviously you are on the poacher side as opposed to poachee. Here is what you are missing, when a player leaves a program to go to another that is fine, there could be many reasons for it. It could be playing time, dispute with coaching philosophy, the kid simply not enjoying himself, etc. etc. That type of departure is not "poaching". Poaching is when a program, in season, contacts a player already rostered on another team and offers that player to come "play in one tournament for us for free, see if you like it" or "how about your 2023 son come play in this showcase event for us". The poacher teams are playing on the system, convincing a parent that their child is getting college looks at the 23 level! That is a blatant lie.
This same program just advertised that they brought on a "college recruiting specialist" yet they have no teams older than 2023?? That is manipulative and a lie to lead these parents to believe their son is getting looks in 6th grade!
So to address your note, yes poaching is a real thing. The standard held by the vast majority of the clubs in Philadelphia is that we do not contact any player already rostered on another program. If they reach out to you that is fine but to actively recruit players off existing teams is a despicable thing only a few teams do. These teams have been called out on here numerous times but just to be clear, they are Brotherly Love and Rising Sons. Rising Sons has gotten a bit better about this but that is primarily because they have lost their luster after their 2021 team fell apart and now their 2020s are done. Brotherly Love has a guy working from them who pumps out propaganda like the Germans in the 1940s! One thing that Rising Sons and Brotherly Love have in common is that both have been caught cheating in the NXT Spring League for having unrostered players play up/down/on multiple teams. BL will fall apart like RS has, give it time.


Rising Sons was caught have 2, 2020 kids playing on their 2021 team.
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NXT does not NEED the RS kids, they have had teams for years and been successful. Sure some of the RS kids will come to NXT but not nearly all of them.
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Spoke with Frank, he's excited.....for the easy paycheck! BL isn't telling people his commitment level is minimal and will likely stop come February. Interesting that his GV assistant coaches kids are trying out for other teams and not BL....that's because Frank has let them in on the secret he is merely helping out for a quick 10k.
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He deleted the lacrosse ones but the football ones are still there. It's great because of how he titles them, shows 9 year olds "laying wood" and "laying kids out"!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
NXT does not NEED the RS kids, they have had teams for years and been successful. Sure some of the RS kids will come to NXT but not nearly all of them.

I wonder if NXT puts up with crazy dads? Because the king crazy is coming with Rising Sons
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Funny I spoke to Frank and he is just happy that he can coach his son who is on the 22 team...
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My kid isn't trying out for BL because he doesn't think he can make the team but I can tell you that is the team he wants to play on
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Actually Frank called me personally and asked my son to play. I know nothing about the man other than a Google search. He didnt strike me as a guy doing it for the cash. I asked why as a high school coach and as a man of his accomplishments why he would coach a youth lacrosse team. He told me he loves to coach and he wants to spend time with his son who is on the team. Again I don't know the man but have to say was impressed with the fact he personally called me and flattered. I am seriously considering it and have to say he he doesn't sound anything like the guy you are portraying so either you are full of it or he is ..,. Going to go with Frank
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Watch Franks testimony on youtube. Its great, tells you a lot about what kind of guy he is. FCA had him speak. Anyone who has been thru what and his family have been through and come out shining on the other end all have a few traits in common. And like anyone else who achieves success he will take shots on this forum.
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My son plays for BL and you are absolutely right they do have players moving between rosters. However look up the rules NXT allows this for both their league and the tournaments look it up. You are only breaking the rules if you play down. My son along with a few others was asked to play UP from 2023 to 2022 to help out with numbers. The one coach also had his son play up from 2024 to 2023 but again he played up. You seem to know BL really well so you know who I am talking about. Like most on this forum you should get your facts straight before accusing another club of cheating. You must be from Freedom or Roughriders come on fess up your just mad and tired of losing to a club that just started 2 years ago that charges less money than all the rest. It's okay just be honest jealousy doesn't become you judging from your rant. Got to say have had 3 philly based clubs try to convince my son to leave BL...
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son plays for BL and you are absolutely right they do have players moving between rosters. However look up the rules NXT allows this for both their league and the tournaments look it up. You are only breaking the rules if you play down. My son along with a few others was asked to play UP from 2023 to 2022 to help out with numbers. The one coach also had his son play up from 2024 to 2023 but again he played up. You seem to know BL really well so you know who I am talking about. Like most on this forum you should get your facts straight before accusing another club of cheating. You must be from Freedom or Roughriders come on fess up your just mad and tired of losing to a club that just started 2 years ago that charges less money than all the rest. It's okay just be honest jealousy doesn't become you judging from your rant. Got to say have had 3 philly based clubs try to convince my son to leave BL...


I don't know what other post you are referring to, but I saw BL cheat at a tournament this past summer. Their 2023 "B" team was playing and the second the game ended (and there were a few player that didn't look like "B" players) we all witnessed 3 players sprint from that field to the one above it (where they immediately joined the "A" BL team for a game. Not cool and doesn't make your club look good
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
He deleted the lacrosse ones but the football ones are still there. It's great because of how he titles them, shows 9 year olds "laying wood" and "laying kids out"!


Classless, and that same kid doesn't even play football anymore. Probably afraid that all of those cheap shots may be remembered.
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I know the 3 kids you are referring to ask NXT that ran the tournament BL didn't have enough kids to field a full B team and rather than withdraw asked the tournament director if we could drop the 3 kids to play B as long as they weren't AA players. Like most clubs our bench players are A/B players and the kids we sent were not even close to our best players. If the tournament director approved it then it ain't cheating the fact that they beat your team is probably what's bothering u. The BL coaches actually sent an email out saying we were short and would be moving kids around. Most people I know don't announce it in an email when they are cheating just admit it tired of losing
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I saw that game and saw the 3 kids u are referring to run to the other field where they joined a team that had no subs but also left a team without subs makes sense to me.i watched the BL game they all ran to as I was curious to see how BL would do against Bethesda Lax Club thinking that BL would get smoked as Bethesda killed Mesa and BL needed a Braveheart to beat Mesa however BL put a beat down on Bethesda was very surprised. Say what you want about BL but u got to give them props that is a [lacrosse] of a good team may be the fastest youth team I have personally seen makes sense to me that B players on that club would look like A players to another club all subjective
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They should be faster...they are older!!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I know the 3 kids you are referring to ask NXT that ran the tournament BL didn't have enough kids to field a full B team and rather than withdraw asked the tournament director if we could drop the 3 kids to play B as long as they weren't AA players. Like most clubs our bench players are A/B players and the kids we sent were not even close to our best players. If the tournament director approved it then it ain't cheating the fact that they beat your team is probably what's bothering u. The BL coaches actually sent an email out saying we were short and would be moving kids around. Most people I know don't announce it in an email when they are cheating just admit it tired of losing


Actually, it was a very close game, IMO, if you don't have enough players then you shouldn't try to carry 2 teams.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I saw that game and saw the 3 kids u are referring to run to the other field where they joined a team that had no subs but also left a team without subs makes sense to me.i watched the BL game they all ran to as I was curious to see how BL would do against Bethesda Lax Club thinking that BL would get smoked as Bethesda killed Mesa and BL needed a Braveheart to beat Mesa however BL put a beat down on Bethesda was very surprised. Say what you want about BL but u got to give them props that is a [lacrosse] of a good team may be the fastest youth team I have personally seen makes sense to me that B players on that club would look like A players to another club all subjective


OK, BL dad...
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It's a bitter pill to swallow isn't it. They are just a better team....you must be a Freedom dad. Yep BL is the only team in Philly that has kids over the 9/1 cutoff of US Lacrosse. It does help that my kid doesn't need a ride to practice...just give Junior the keys and off he goes.
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Freedom Dad, Not sure who that guy is but my son played on that BL team and enjoyed every minute of it....it sucks losing doesn't it.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Freedom Dad, Not sure who that guy is but my son played on that BL team and enjoyed every minute of it....it sucks losing doesn't it.


Not from Freedom, but I really don't like cheaters. And FYI, I personally don't think it hurts anyone to lose a game every now and then, sometimes you learn way more about yourself as a player during a loss.
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C'mon now don't hide be honest with us Knute Rockne if you aren't from Freedom watching the illegal roster switching and assessing B level talent vs A level talent over the course of a game it begs the question why you spending ur free time watching a bunch of young boys running around in short shorts getting all lathered up...just be honest with yourself Freedom dad and if you really aren't (not) get yourself some help
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
C'mon now don't hide be honest with us Knute Rockne if you aren't from Freedom watching the illegal roster switching and assessing B level talent vs A level talent over the course of a game it begs the question why you spending ur free time watching a bunch of young boys running around in short shorts getting all lathered up...just be honest with yourself Freedom dad and if you really aren't (not) get yourself some help

Um, you yourself said that they switch players all the time, or did they only do it against Freedom?! Seems weird to me that you (Bethesda dad LOL) you think it has to be a Freedom parent, if they were switching all day (at that tournament) then you would have no idea what team. Sounds like you are protesting a little too much. Must have hit a nerve with the cheating thing
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Which would you rather have your kid play on.... a team with 20+ kids on it where everyone gets to play a half (most club teams) if they are lucky or a team with 15 kids on it where you play the majority of the game...maybe you are gassed but better than sitting on the pine....maybe you enjoy it but adding 2 cents just to make a point seems a bit trivial.
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Not at all my perverse friend. Ask other people that have kids on the team if BL cheats, you know some (come out of the closet) You yourself stated: (cut / paste from your post below)

" Their 2023 "B" team was playing and the second the game ended (and there were a few player that didn't look like "B" players) we all witnessed 3 players sprint from that field to the one above it (where they immediately joined the "A" BL team for a game.

It was the only game that BL played where the 3 players team came from a lower field to join the A game playing on the Stadium Field.

But again if the tournament director approved it as stated then it aint cheating why don't you call NXT and ask them since you seem desparate to prove a point.

Better yet go back to your favorite past time of watching young boys running around playing with their sticks.
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I am curious on why there is an influx of kids "reclassed" in the philly region? Or is it occurring all over the the US, to give their kids an advantage ? If the kid doesn't stand out with age appropriate kids than reclass them so they stand out? What is wrong with people?
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Can we stop using the PC term "reclass" and just call it what it is?
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Don't think there is an influx in Philly. Penn Charter and Haverford are notorious but wouldn't say influx
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am curious on why there is an influx of kids "reclassed" in the philly region? Or is it occurring all over the the US, to give their kids an advantage ? If the kid doesn't stand out with age appropriate kids than reclass them so they stand out? What is wrong with people?
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I would say 99% of the people don't have kids in July or August and think hey let me hold this kid back so he can play lacrosse with kids that technically he is only a few months older than.
Now holding them back in 6th or 8th grade is a whole different story.
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Happens all the time check out the Maryland and Long Island site. It's not just lacrosse either. Definitely an advantage I think Philly private schools started to keep pace with Maryland schools that they play quite a bit
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can we stop using the PC term "reclass" and just call it what it is?


What is the better term?

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can we stop using the PC term "reclass" and just call it what it is?


What is the better term?



Cheater?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can we stop using the PC term "reclass" and just call it what it is?


What is the better term?



Cheater?


I think you need a better term. There are lots of ways to be a cheater and reclassing is just one of them.

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Certainly don't agree with it but wouldn't consider it cheating. In some cases kids are getting reclassified twice. In our area look at Unionville they have a pre 1st option thus resulting in 13 grades. They do it for academic development reasons however that school scores well on standardized testing the question is are they cheating since it is the same scenario
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Does anyone know anything about Team 11?
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Does anyone know anything about Team 11?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone know anything about Team 11?
Sankey team took over the fields that HHH was using at penn charter. Penn charter said bye bye to HHH. It will sound great and kids will be excited. I mean parents will be excited in the beginning but the top kids will leave ASAP as there will not be enough talented kids to field even a B level team. Just another club thinning out the talent in philly.
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I don't know, with Rising Sons folding, there are going to be lots of kids looking for homes. Should be interesting to see what happens
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They are practicing an hour from were the RS kids live. They are offering a lot for $1500. Next year they will be charging Mesa prices...
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And just because that's what you wish you know the Rising Sons are not folding. You know but you can't help to come on here and try and make others believe your crazy rumor. Everyone practices within an hour of the Sons.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't know, with Rising Sons folding, there are going to be lots of kids looking for homes. Should be interesting to see what happens
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
And just because that's what you wish you know the Rising Sons are not folding. You know but you can't help to come on here and try and make others believe your crazy rumor. Everyone practices within an hour of the Sons.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't know, with Rising Sons folding, there are going to be lots of kids looking for homes. Should be interesting to see what happens


So are you saying they are having a 2020 team next year?
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I heard HS will be National Teams with at least half coming from them.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And just because that's what you wish you know the Rising Sons are not folding. You know but you can't help to come on here and try and make others believe your crazy rumor. Everyone practices within an hour of the Sons.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't know, with Rising Sons folding, there are going to be lots of kids looking for homes. Should be interesting to see what happens


So are you saying they are having a 2020 team next year?
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Very confused Rising Sons is done? Should my son attend tryouts?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Very confused Rising Sons is done? Should my son attend tryouts?
The Sons will have 2021-2025 teams. They are working with NXT to create a training model specifically for their kids in these grades with hope that they choose NXT HS as rising freshman. Their highly successful 2020s are headed to NXT via an open tryout. I'd imagine a good majority of their kids will make it.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Very confused Rising Sons is done? Should my son attend tryouts?
The Sons will have 2021-2025 teams. They are working with NXT to create a training model specifically for their kids in these grades with hope that they choose NXT HS as rising freshman. Their highly successful 2020s are headed to NXT via an open tryout. I'd imagine a good majority of their kids will make it.


Not sure why you wouldn't just try out for NXT? What kind of logic is that? Try out for Sons to train with NXT, for Sons to drop you going into 9th grade and then you can try out for NXT? Am I hearing that correctly?
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Where are the best Philly teams playing this fall?

Is it a play day or a real tournament?

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where are the best Philly teams playing this fall?

Is it a play day or a real tournament?



They are playing on the football or soccer field!
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Just read about the new "club model", Headstrong Quakers, whereby a D1 Coach is leading club teams. Did I read that wrong or will Mike Murphy (and others) of Penn really be coaching a club team?
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From what I know and understand Sons will field teams and supplement their coaching with some NXT clinics, coaching, etc. After 8th grade the kids will then have the opportunity to play with NXT full time. Just like every other team at most of the pre-HS levels, there's a tryout for that team as well.
Will all the Sons kids make NXT? Likely not. But the lower level NXT teams are not that competitive so you can do that math.
My son will be at the Sons tryout. Good, solid program with good coaches and kids. And no, this isn't the "founder" or current team member dad.
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Any program worth their salt should be able to keep and run teams through high school. I would be suspect of a club that couldn't. What is their real motivation in running their club? Anyone can find some youth kids to put together and win a tournament. A real club will develop players.
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And thats exactly what they did. In a huge way. Developed players and continue to develop players. When HHH was running just 6,7,8 grade and funneling kids to Dukes were they not worth their salt? Are they worth their salt?? What an [lacrosse]. Look what they did in a few short years. Go ask around the top clubs in the country if their worth their salt. They are well respected despite what you keep saying to your self.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any program worth their salt should be able to keep and run teams through high school. I would be suspect of a club that couldn't. What is their real motivation in running their club? Anyone can find some youth kids to put together and win a tournament. A real club will develop players.
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Your not comparing the old HHh teams to the current RS ones? There 21 team was great but broke up 2 years ago, the younger teams are average at best.
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Aren't all the Philly teams kinda "average"?
Let's face it, this region is the worst when it comes to dilution of talent across teams. Every year another two teams pop up where daddy can coach little johnny and his buddies.
If you took all the best from all the teams and put them on one, they would be competitive.
There is no true elite AA team in the area that can hang on LI or MD for that matter.
If I'm wrong, please show me when one of them has won or beaten any LI or MD team (Igloo, Express, 91, Diamondbacks, Hawks).
FYI: Referring to 23s-21s
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I love the line above about teams popping up so daddy can coach little Johnny and his buddies, this is what is wrong with youth sports. The thing is, IMO, these kids will not benefit from this in the long run. I have been around sports all my life and the kids that have been "coached" by their parents end up having issues with coaches in the future. Oh, and their dads also have issues with any coach too. I have seen it time and time again.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Aren't all the Philly teams kinda "average"?
Let's face it, this region is the worst when it comes to dilution of talent across teams. Every year another two teams pop up where daddy can coach little johnny and his buddies.
If you took all the best from all the teams and put them on one, they would be competitive.
There is no true elite AA team in the area that can hang on LI or MD for that matter.
If I'm wrong, please show me when one of them has won or beaten any LI or MD team (Igloo, Express, 91, Diamondbacks, Hawks).
FYI: Referring to 23s-21s


Freedom beat igloo 2022 at young guns.

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Brotherly Love teams have beaten Express, Igloo, Bethesda LC, Crabs, and Laxachusetts
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sankey needs to break away from Wave One though. They are supposedly funding Team 11 which means things will get ugly fast!


Can anyone expand on this. Not familiar with the relationship.
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You know that wasn't the real Igloo team, right?
Freedom is good, not great. You know this. Best team in Philly at 2022? Probably.
The original poster is right. As much as that sucks, he's right.
I'd say put the challenge as this: show me a tournament not called Summer Slam, Meltdown, Patriot Games, Philly Showdown that any of these teams has won.
Basically show me a team that has won a tourney outside of Philly...
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Brotherly Love teams have beaten Express, Igloo, Bethesda LC, Crabs, and Laxachusetts

So have most of the HHH teams (23-21) but not on a regular basis or to win a real, non-Philly tournament.
I think that's his point.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I love the line above about teams popping up so daddy can coach little Johnny and his buddies, this is what is wrong with youth sports. The thing is, IMO, these kids will not benefit from this in the long run. I have been around sports all my life and the kids that have been "coached" by their parents end up having issues with coaches in the future. Oh, and their dads also have issues with any coach too. I have seen it time and time again.
NO you haven't. Thats just what people think the right thing is to say. Almost every top team has a dad coach because they put the time and energy in to make everyone better. Your Stupid.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I love the line above about teams popping up so daddy can coach little Johnny and his buddies, this is what is wrong with youth sports. The thing is, IMO, these kids will not benefit from this in the long run. I have been around sports all my life and the kids that have been "coached" by their parents end up having issues with coaches in the future. Oh, and their dads also have issues with any coach too. I have seen it time and time again.
NO you haven't. Thats just what people think the right thing is to say. Almost every top team has a dad coach because they put the time and energy in to make everyone better. Your Stupid.

"Your Stupid" Ohhhhhh the irony there
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I agree as a dad coach I see more parents that not only don't coach they never volunteer in the community and school and they write long emails and want to talk to you about position or lack of playing time and coddle their kids who never advocate for themselves. I had one dad ask me why his son can't play attack. My response was he needs to work on his stick skills have you ever considered getting him a bounce back. He responded he got one last your and I asked him what drills he does on the bounce back. His response .... He doesn't really use it that much. There are certainly cons to having dad coach but for the most part at the youth level there are a lot of good youth coaches doing the right thing. Most that complain are mad because their kid isn't playing attack.
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So Mesa 2021 orange had a pretty good summer
They won young gunz beat Hawks, madlax national
And icon. Finished 2nd at NXT cup with a convincing
Win over igloo
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
So Mesa 2021 orange had a pretty good summer
They won young gunz beat Hawks, madlax national
And icon. Finished 2nd at NXT cup with a convincing
Win over igloo
e] big deal they lost to uprising twice and got smoked by 91 outside of that they didn't play anyone. HHH will be the team to beat this summer
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The first time Mesa played Uprising, they had had a handful of practices. This team has been together for ONE year, as of today. The second time, 1/4 of the team wasn't there. And yes, Mesa did get smoked by 91, no one will argue that. But how can you say they haven't played "anyone" outside of the teams they did play, and beat? Name those teams...
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I love the line above about teams popping up so daddy can coach little Johnny and his buddies, this is what is wrong with youth sports. The thing is, IMO, these kids will not benefit from this in the long run. I have been around sports all my life and the kids that have been "coached" by their parents end up having issues with coaches in the future. Oh, and their dads also have issues with any coach too. I have seen it time and time again.
NO you haven't. Thats just what people think the right thing is to say. Almost every top team has a dad coach because they put the time and energy in to make everyone better. Your Stupid.

That would be you're stupid and clearly if you don't know that... Well, I won't even finish that statement 👍🏼😝
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Brotherly Love teams have beaten Express, Igloo, Bethesda LC, Crabs, and Laxachusetts


2024 teams
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
You know that wasn't the real Igloo team, right?
Freedom is good, not great. You know this. Best team in Philly at 2022? Probably.
The original poster is right. As much as that sucks, he's right.
I'd say put the challenge as this: show me a tournament not called Summer Slam, Meltdown, Patriot Games, Philly Showdown that any of these teams has won.
Basically show me a team that has won a tourney outside of Philly...


So igloo sent their B team to Young Guns? I doubt it. Was a kid or 2 out? - possibly - just like most teams throughout the summer, so please stop the excuses.

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2023
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
The first time Mesa played Uprising, they had had a handful of practices. This team has been together for ONE year, as of today. The second time, 1/4 of the team wasn't there. And yes, Mesa did get smoked by 91, no one will argue that. But how can you say they haven't played "anyone" outside of the teams they did play, and beat? Name those teams...
Really been together for two. A very young Koopers team beat you good, barely beat leading edge, barely beat looneys, barely beat 3d, barely beat icon.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The first time Mesa played Uprising, they had had a handful of practices. This team has been together for ONE year, as of today. The second time, 1/4 of the team wasn't there. And yes, Mesa did get smoked by 91, no one will argue that. But how can you say they haven't played "anyone" outside of the teams they did play, and beat? Name those teams...
Really been together for two. A very young Koopers team beat you good, barely beat leading edge, barely beat looneys, barely beat 3d, barely beat icon.
trust me HHH will be the team with our merger with uprising
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The 2023 team beat Laxachusetts Express Bethesda LC
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Hmmm you keep using that word "BEAT"...
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Ad Hominem
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Heard all the Mesa 21 Rising Sons defects are coming back to Rising Sons, is that true? And if so, why?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard all the Mesa 21 Rising Sons defects are coming back to Rising Sons, is that true? And if so, why?
Don't think so. I don't think they want them back. Only a few.
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Who really cares on who the best team or teams are at any level? The egos of the parents? Does it matter who beat who? I thought what mattered is that your child played , learned , trained and progressed throughout the season and the team had quality coaching.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who really cares on who the best team or teams are at any level? The egos of the parents? Does it matter who beat who? I thought what mattered is that your child played , learned , trained and progressed throughout the season and the team had quality coaching.


I am no longer buying tickets to pro sports. All my cash is going into my kid's sports and I want to cheer for a winner!
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What idyllic world are you living in have you seen parents at swimming meets football games soccer tournaments cheering and gymnastic to name a few you need to step into reality. For better or for worse that is the world we live in. We are all trying to keep up with the Joneses and youth parents all want their kids to succeed some are just more nuts about it even the ones that pretend not to care really do
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
What idyllic world are you living in have you seen parents at swimming meets football games soccer tournaments cheering and gymnastic to name a few you need to step into reality. For better or for worse that is the world we live in. We are all trying to keep up with the Joneses and youth parents all want their kids to succeed some are just more nuts about it even the ones that pretend not to care really do


What in the world are you trying to say? Hint, it would probably be more understandable if you used some punctuation. And, clearly, you should have spent a little more time in the classroom and a little less time on the field!
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Ok mom get ur [lacrosse] back in the kitchen this is a message/forum not a term paper if u can't figure out what I said ur more clueless than I originally thought
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NXT rules for both our Spring League and tournaments clearly state that a player can only play on one team. Does not matter if a players plays up, down, or sideways.............you can only play for one team. Brotherly Love has been spoken to about this violation.
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He said "ain't"!
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Please, I'm begging you, stop typing responses for Brotherly Love. My son plays for them and we're happy but it's responses like yours that make us question what we're doing. You sound uneducated and unbelievably [lacrosse]-phobic, I can only hope you're just a crazy dad and not a coach. Please stop responding, you're giving us all a bad name.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok mom get ur [lacrosse] back in the kitchen this is a message/forum not a term paper if u can't figure out what I said ur more clueless than I originally thought


Uneducated and a sexist, bet you are a pleasure to be around. I also find it interesting that people who can't convey their thoughts all of a sudden have to lash out at others. Do your kid a favor and make sure they hit the books as hard as that throw back, because there is zero future in lacrosse!
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Mesa 21 beat everyone except 91, Freedom 21 beat Diamondbacks and Koopers
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Actually my kids are excellent students thanks for asking nobody said there is a future in lacrosse by the way took a look at your original post if that is a sample of your prose pretty pitiful lacking in syntax spacing issues incorrect commas incorrect use of question marks get over yourself honey
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
NXT rules for both our Spring League and tournaments clearly state that a player can only play on one team. Does not matter if a players plays up, down, or sideways.............you can only play for one team. Brotherly Love has been spoken to about this violation.


Stop pretending that you work for NXT. Here are the rules cut/pasted right from their website. What a bufoon.

No player may compete or be rostered on more than one club/team during the
tournament. (i.e. cannot play for Team Vermont and Team New Hampshire in the
same tournament. You may however be rostered on a U9 team and move up to play
U11 if need be. You may not, however, play down a division). Any team with a player
5
in violation of this rule will forfeit all games in which the player has participated in and
will not be permitted to play in the playoff rounds.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually my kids are excellent students thanks for asking nobody said there is a future in lacrosse by the way took a look at your original post if that is a sample of your prose pretty pitiful lacking in syntax spacing issues incorrect commas incorrect use of question marks get over yourself honey


No idea what you are talking about. Have you been drinking?
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Just double checked it on their website myself if you work for NXT your [lacrosse] should be fired for not knowing the rules of your own company.
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Who really cares on who the best team or teams are at any level? The egos of the parents? Does it matter who beat who? I thought what mattered is that your child played , learned , trained and progressed throughout the season and the team had quality coaching.

No idea what you are talking about. Have you been drinking? [/quote]

Talking about your post above cut and pasted for your convenience give me a freaking break with that paragraph pitiful hope you aren't a teacher honey
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who really cares on who the best team or teams are at any level? The egos of the parents? Does it matter who beat who? I thought what mattered is that your child played , learned , trained and progressed throughout the season and the team had quality coaching.

No idea what you are talking about. Have you been drinking?


Talking about your post above cut and pasted for your convenience give me a freaking break with that paragraph pitiful hope you aren't a teacher honey [/quote]

Well, now I understand what post you are ranting about, but I didn't write that. Have to say, I do agree the author of the above post may be just as clueless as you. If you want people to understand your rants, punctuation and proper quoting would be helpful. And, FYI, I am not a teacher, I guess you assume for someone to write clearly they need to be a teacher? Have a wonderful day!
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So it appears there are 2 schools of thought here. One is that having a successful team playing against good competition is most important vs. good coaching/positional training is most important. I would expect this changes as the kids get older. Do you think the younger ages (2022 and younger) benefit more from good coaching or playing with and against more skilled players. As a parent, I get frustrated when I see kids that don't pass or don't hustle back on defense and wonder if it hurts other's development or just impacts win/losses.
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Having a great day beautiful outside life is wonderful don't have the faintest idea what you are posting or what you are responding to and could really care less
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
So it appears there are 2 schools of thought here. One is that having a successful team playing against good competition is most important vs. good coaching/positional training is most important. I would expect this changes as the kids get older. Do you think the younger ages (2022 and younger) benefit more from good coaching or playing with and against more skilled players. As a parent, I get frustrated when I see kids that don't pass or don't hustle back on defense and wonder if it hurts other's development or just impacts win/losses.
The answer is both. You should want both. You need to develop skill and then do it under pressure. Everyone looks great in line drills and skill drills. As soon as you put pressure on 90% of the kids they can't throw, they can't catch, etc. Its a balance. You also don't want to be playing hammers all he time.
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This is my new favorite site.
Keep up the good work.
This stuff is gold, Jerry!
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Wow NXT is going all out with their 2020 team. Blasting it all over social media. Billy Leahy, Andy Hayes, Chris Williams coaching. Wondering what the tryouts are going to look like.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow NXT is going all out with their 2020 team. Blasting it all over social media. Billy Leahy, Andy Hayes, Chris Williams coaching. Wondering what the tryouts are going to look like.


And just exactly how is this different than any of their other teams? Heck, how is this different than any other club? All I have seen for the last month is announcements about tryout dates and coaches.
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You mean RS 2020
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
You mean RS 2020
What does this mean?
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What is the deal with Duke Nationals in 2022 and 2023. Are they any good?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is the deal with Duke Nationals in 2022 and 2023. Are they any good?
Any team is good if they get the top players from all over the country together to play other 2022 and 2023 teams. What a joke. I know 2022 and 2023 players that are leaving the Dukes Young Guns because they over promise and under produce. This belong on another thread. You can't show love to 60% of your team and bring in ringers and promote the crap out of it and think the other kids left behind are going to be happy? But they get to post their wins and championships while not growing and developing their own back yard. It would be one thing to go do one or two National tournaments but they are trying to do too much with 5 and 6th graders. And they don't play the real long island teams or maryland teams.
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Rising sons is good
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is the deal with Duke Nationals in 2022 and 2023. Are they any good?


I have heard of Little Dukes, Dukes and HHH, do you mean one of those teams?
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There are a lot of perfect people on this forum with too much time on their hands for critiquing the posts on grammar, punctuation, or someone's thoughts. Get over yourself. There are also quality posts that I'm sure others have the same thoughts or information that can help others decide which is best for their families. Stop the nonsense or post somewhere else.
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Can anyone offer information on HHH? The rolling tryout process seems like it's all about the money.
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Is it worth attending a prospect camp for a 2021 player?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rising sons is good
They seem it. We were at the tryout and are going to play there this year. Tryout was one of the best run tryouts we have been to. They coached the kids up in a way not to interfere with reps. Fast paced position specific drills. It was really good.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it worth attending a prospect camp for a 2021 player?
Not till Summer. If you do it in the Fall its just to see where you match up in your class and get your eyes opened on what to expect. If you are an Attack you better be ready to run the ball out because that may be the only time you touch it.
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This has all changed after tryouts
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What are the best Philly teams in each age group?
2020
2021
2022
2023
2024
????


2021 – Mesa
2022 – Freedom
2023 – Brotherly Love
2024 – Brotherly Love
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Little doubt that Dukes was at one time a great program. As Philadelphpians we should be proud of what they accomplished. With their split from HHH they will slowyly fade away. There is no long term success without a "farm system" and their atttempt to replace HHH with Dukes (insert geography here) was a total failure of epic proportions. It only tarnished their name and diminshed their stature. Like most divorces both sides are left reduced. There will be a new elite team that replaces them the only question is whom. My guess either NXT or Mesa.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Little doubt that Dukes was at one time a great program. As Philadelphpians we should be proud of what they accomplished. With their split from HHH they will slowyly fade away. There is no long term success without a "farm system" and their atttempt to replace HHH with Dukes (insert geography here) was a total failure of epic proportions. It only tarnished their name and diminshed their stature. Like most divorces both sides are left reduced. There will be a new elite team that replaces them the only question is whom. My guess either NXT or Mesa.


The days of the "one" elite program are long gone, too many clubs have popped up. IMO, too many dads starting clubs so their little Johnny can play with his "elite" buddies. When Dukes was elite it was because they were basically the only option and kids were invited. That isn't what happens now
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
This has all changed after tryouts
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What are the best Philly teams in each age group?
2020
2021
2022
2023
2024
????


2021 – Mesa
2022 – Freedom
2023 – Brotherly Love
2024 – Brotherly Love


See everyone at fall brawl?
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How has it changed?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
How has it changed?
We shall all see.......
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Little doubt that Dukes was at one time a great program. As Philadelphpians we should be proud of what they accomplished. With their split from HHH they will slowyly fade away. There is no long term success without a "farm system" and their atttempt to replace HHH with Dukes (insert geography here) was a total failure of epic proportions. It only tarnished their name and diminshed their stature. Like most divorces both sides are left reduced. There will be a new elite team that replaces them the only question is whom. My guess either NXT or Mesa.


The days of the "one" elite program are long gone, too many clubs have popped up. IMO, too many dads starting clubs so their little Johnny can play with his "elite" buddies. When Dukes was elite it was because they were basically the only option and kids were invited. That isn't what happens now
Yeah but this is what keeps it so much fun. Keeps all the original lax bro's on their toes. Because of some of these programs the top clubs are getting exposed for lack of training and coaching. I'd agree that NXT may be the sleeping Giant. They have had some great success quietly. Over 60 D1 Commits! I think thats in like 5 years. They seem to have to most consistency and looks like with Sons pushing their 2020 kids over they could begin to dominate the Philly market from this year on out. Their 2019 team is very strong. They beat Mesa 2019 really bad this past year. Their 2018 team won the Summer Invite.
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My advice, and I have been around sports at a very competitive level my entire life as a player any coach.
1. Find the club that fits your family's needs. That could be a hyper-competitive team, and if your child's goal is to play division 1 lacrosse this is what you could want. And, don't get me wrong, you don't HAVE to do this to play d1.
2. If your family is looking for a team that will provide opportunities to play a game they love but you aren't really concerned about being hyper-competitive (that is not for everyone) then find a nice B level team.
3. Have your kids play multiple sports, and this should happen all the way through HS. Cross training is not only good for developing an all around good athlete, it gives the kid a chance to develop skills that will help their "primary" sport. For example, basketball helps with footwork in lacrosse. I also wholeheartedly believe kids need a break from every sport from time to time. One sport kids who are pushed by over zealous parents have a very high burn out rate.
4. Most importantly make sure your kid is hitting the books more than they are concentrating on any sport. Very few kids we be professional athletes and the real scholarship money is given for academics.

As we are all looking for the "perfect" club for our kids, I wish you all the best. Some of the best conversations I have had with my kids have happened in the car on the way to or home from practices/games/tournaments. I just love watching my kids grow and learn and MOST importantly love the sports they are playing. There is nothing better than being part of a team, good luck finding the one that suits your needs!
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My neighbor started one of the daddy clubs and I know it had nothing to do with "Johnny playing with his elite buddies" It had everything to do with the established programs and their obvious money grab. Let's call a spade a spade. When programs like Mesa and NXT along with girl's programs like Ultimate are charging an average of $2,000 to play elementary school club lacrosse that is nothing more than a money grab. Another friend was stunned when Ultimate said that her daughter was going to have to pay $1,500 to play 5th grade girls lacrosse from one of the above club. Mesa is charging $2,000. On top of that all these clubs always have at least 20+ kids on each team. That comes out to 40K+ PER TEAM often with two teams at each grade. Doing some fancy math ...that is 80K PER GRADE...It has nothing to do with Johnny. On top of that most of the teams are staffed with college kids more concerned about partying. If you are playing for one of the above teams.....Grab your ankles and don't expect any lube.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
My neighbor started one of the daddy clubs and I know it had nothing to do with "Johnny playing with his elite buddies" It had everything to do with the established programs and their obvious money grab. Let's call a spade a spade. When programs like Mesa and NXT along with girl's programs like Ultimate are charging an average of $2,000 to play elementary school club lacrosse that is nothing more than a money grab. Another friend was stunned when Ultimate said that her daughter was going to have to pay $1,500 to play 5th grade girls lacrosse from one of the above club. Mesa is charging $2,000. On top of that all these clubs always have at least 20+ kids on each team. That comes out to 40K+ PER TEAM often with two teams at each grade. Doing some fancy math ...that is 80K PER GRADE...It has nothing to do with Johnny. On top of that most of the teams are staffed with college kids more concerned about partying. If you are playing for one of the above teams.....Grab your ankles and don't expect any lube.
You obvious don't have a clue. Some of these clubs that are charging $2000+ are giving 4 seasons of training. 6 years ago it was always around $1000/Summer. When indoor space is $250/hr and you do 16 hours of training that number adds up. Add a paid professional in there and a winter session could cost $400/kid. If a club is only charging $1500/year you are not getting much at all. I would agree with you on the clubs with a 2nd team. There is usually some profit in there from that team.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
My advice, and I have been around sports at a very competitive level my entire life as a player any coach.
1. Find the club that fits your family's needs. That could be a hyper-competitive team, and if your child's goal is to play division 1 lacrosse this is what you could want. And, don't get me wrong, you don't HAVE to do this to play d1.
2. If your family is looking for a team that will provide opportunities to play a game they love but you aren't really concerned about being hyper-competitive (that is not for everyone) then find a nice B level team.
3. Have your kids play multiple sports, and this should happen all the way through HS. Cross training is not only good for developing an all around good athlete, it gives the kid a chance to develop skills that will help their "primary" sport. For example, basketball helps with footwork in lacrosse. I also wholeheartedly believe kids need a break from every sport from time to time. One sport kids who are pushed by over zealous parents have a very high burn out rate.
4. Most importantly make sure your kid is hitting the books more than they are concentrating on any sport. Very few kids we be professional athletes and the real scholarship money is given for academics.

As we are all looking for the "perfect" club for our kids, I wish you all the best. Some of the best conversations I have had with my kids have happened in the car on the way to or home from practices/games/tournaments. I just love watching my kids grow and learn and MOST importantly love the sports they are playing. There is nothing better than being part of a team, good luck finding the one that suits your needs!


Excellent post, well said.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Your response is comical, if you don't think a club charging 2k per kid for 10 year olds is making $ I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
40k per team they are making at least 15k...if not more.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Your response is comical, if you don't think a club charging 2k per kid for 10 year olds is making $ I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
40k per team they are making at least 15k...if not more.
You clearly have no idea. And are just angry because your kid probably got kid from one of these programs. Here some quick math for you mr. accountant. $18k for tourneys/leagues, $10k+ for coaches 4 seasons, $10k for field rentals, then you have supplies, insurance, uniforms Plus $$ for those who may need help. Do the math.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Your response is comical, if you don't think a club charging 2k per kid for 10 year olds is making $ I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
40k per team they are making at least 15k...if not more.
You clearly have no idea. And are just angry because your kid probably got kid from one of these programs. Here some quick math for you mr. accountant. $18k for tourneys/leagues, $10k+ for coaches 4 seasons, $10k for field rentals, then you have supplies, insurance, uniforms Plus $$ for those who may need help. Do the math.


You are cleary stoned. 18k for tourney fees. What tournaments are you going to? The most expensive standard tournaments are less than 2k. That is before you factor in multi team discounts.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Your response is comical, if you don't think a club charging 2k per kid for 10 year olds is making $ I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
40k per team they are making at least 15k...if not more.
You clearly have no idea. And are just angry because your kid probably got kid from one of these programs. Here some quick math for you mr. accountant. $18k for tourneys/leagues, $10k+ for coaches 4 seasons, $10k for field rentals, then you have supplies, insurance, uniforms Plus $$ for those who may need help. Do the math.


You are cleary stoned. 18k for tourney fees. What tournaments are you going to? The most expensive standard tournaments are less than 2k. That is before you factor in multi team discounts.
OK so 5 x 1800, 3 fall events, 2 winter, spring league. What are you smoking? These one day events are $1200. Team discount of $100 haha
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Yes and some of the events are now $4-5K or even more.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
haha, these clubs aren't going to the liberty shootout knuckle head. Their going to things like Crabfeast, NXT cup, etc. Not the Hershey park classic
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Let's look at the numbers. Youth/HS club lacrosse has become a HUGE money making machine. It is hysterical how much families are putting out for this "elite" experience. Let's look at the costs:
4 years of private school (because of course the training and exposure will be superior there): each year about 30,000 = 120,000
Of course that isn't good enough, so throw in 6th-8th grade at another 30,000 per year=90,000
Travel team (rising 6th-rising 12th) 2,000 per year = 12,000
Extra fees for "important"recruiting tournaments (let's say they do 2 per summer grades 9-12) 400 each = 3,200
Individual showcase events (I will estimate 3 per year, however, the real die-Hard is doing upwards of 10) 500 each(also probably low) =6,000
Don't forget "prospect days" maybe 6 over the years 500 each = 3,000
Since Johnny is "elite" he needs to train more than anyone else so you will spend at least 1,000 per year on extra training, individual lessons = 6,000
Need speed, agility and strength training 500 per year (probably more) = 3,000
Total costs for your "star" lacrosse player: $243,200

Let's look at return, because of course all of the money will pay off! Let's say your player is offered a "commitment". We all know players are getting partial scholarships. We will look at 25% and 10%, because most will be 10 or less.

Private college:
Estimate 60,000 per year, 25% for 4 years will be $60,000
10% over 4 years will be 24,000

Public college: estimated cost $33,000 per year, 25% for 4 years will be $33,000
10% over 4 years will be $13,200

Wow, just wow....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's look at the numbers. Youth/HS club lacrosse has become a HUGE money making machine. It is hysterical how much families are putting out for this "elite" experience. Let's look at the costs:
4 years of private school (because of course the training and exposure will be superior there): each year about 30,000 = 120,000
Of course that isn't good enough, so throw in 6th-8th grade at another 30,000 per year=90,000
Travel team (rising 6th-rising 12th) 2,000 per year = 12,000
Extra fees for "important"recruiting tournaments (let's say they do 2 per summer grades 9-12) 400 each = 3,200
Individual showcase events (I will estimate 3 per year, however, the real die-Hard is doing upwards of 10) 500 each(also probably low) =6,000
Don't forget "prospect days" maybe 6 over the years 500 each = 3,000
Since Johnny is "elite" he needs to train more than anyone else so you will spend at least 1,000 per year on extra training, individual lessons = 6,000
Need speed, agility and strength training 500 per year (probably more) = 3,000
Total costs for your "star" lacrosse player: $243,200

Let's look at return, because of course all of the money will pay off! Let's say your player is offered a "commitment". We all know players are getting partial scholarships. We will look at 25% and 10%, because most will be 10 or less.

Private college:
Estimate 60,000 per year, 25% for 4 years will be $60,000
10% over 4 years will be 24,000

Public college: estimated cost $33,000 per year, 25% for 4 years will be $33,000
10% over 4 years will be $13,200

Wow, just wow....
Because parents are paying 30k to just play lacrosse and not to get an education at private High School? Loser mentality. Wait you bought a $400k house but borrowed the money and now will end up paying $900k for it? Wow just wow
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Your response is comical, if you don't think a club charging 2k per kid for 10 year olds is making $ I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
40k per team they are making at least 15k...if not more.
Wait i'm the guy selling the bridge not you.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's look at the numbers. Youth/HS club lacrosse has become a HUGE money making machine. It is hysterical how much families are putting out for this "elite" experience. Let's look at the costs:
4 years of private school (because of course the training and exposure will be superior there): each year about 30,000 = 120,000
Of course that isn't good enough, so throw in 6th-8th grade at another 30,000 per year=90,000
Travel team (rising 6th-rising 12th) 2,000 per year = 12,000
Extra fees for "important"recruiting tournaments (let's say they do 2 per summer grades 9-12) 400 each = 3,200
Individual showcase events (I will estimate 3 per year, however, the real die-Hard is doing upwards of 10) 500 each(also probably low) =6,000
Don't forget "prospect days" maybe 6 over the years 500 each = 3,000
Since Johnny is "elite" he needs to train more than anyone else so you will spend at least 1,000 per year on extra training, individual lessons = 6,000
Need speed, agility and strength training 500 per year (probably more) = 3,000
Total costs for your "star" lacrosse player: $243,200

Let's look at return, because of course all of the money will pay off! Let's say your player is offered a "commitment". We all know players are getting partial scholarships. We will look at 25% and 10%, because most will be 10 or less.

Private college:
Estimate 60,000 per year, 25% for 4 years will be $60,000
10% over 4 years will be 24,000

Public college: estimated cost $33,000 per year, 25% for 4 years will be $33,000
10% over 4 years will be $13,200

Wow, just wow....
Because parents are paying 30k to just play lacrosse and not to get an education at private High School? Loser mentality. Wait you bought a $400k house but borrowed the money and now will end up paying $900k for it? Wow just wow


Some people are there for the education(IMO misguided), but a good majority are there for lacrosse and lacrosse only. That is a fact. And you are right, they at losers
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's look at the numbers. Youth/HS club lacrosse has become a HUGE money making machine. It is hysterical how much families are putting out for this "elite" experience. Let's look at the costs:
4 years of private school (because of course the training and exposure will be superior there): each year about 30,000 = 120,000
Of course that isn't good enough, so throw in 6th-8th grade at another 30,000 per year=90,000
Travel team (rising 6th-rising 12th) 2,000 per year = 12,000
Extra fees for "important"recruiting tournaments (let's say they do 2 per summer grades 9-12) 400 each = 3,200
Individual showcase events (I will estimate 3 per year, however, the real die-Hard is doing upwards of 10) 500 each(also probably low) =6,000
Don't forget "prospect days" maybe 6 over the years 500 each = 3,000
Since Johnny is "elite" he needs to train more than anyone else so you will spend at least 1,000 per year on extra training, individual lessons = 6,000
Need speed, agility and strength training 500 per year (probably more) = 3,000
Total costs for your "star" lacrosse player: $243,200

Let's look at return, because of course all of the money will pay off! Let's say your player is offered a "commitment". We all know players are getting partial scholarships. We will look at 25% and 10%, because most will be 10 or less.

Private college:
Estimate 60,000 per year, 25% for 4 years will be $60,000
10% over 4 years will be 24,000

Public college: estimated cost $33,000 per year, 25% for 4 years will be $33,000
10% over 4 years will be $13,200

Wow, just wow....
Because parents are paying 30k to just play lacrosse and not to get an education at private High School? Loser mentality. Wait you bought a $400k house but borrowed the money and now will end up paying $900k for it? Wow just wow


Some people are there for the education(IMO misguided), but a good majority are there for lacrosse and lacrosse only. That is a fact. And you are right, they at losers
Just cause your son or daughter goes to a crappy public school in PA don't knock the private school kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's look at the numbers. Youth/HS club lacrosse has become a HUGE money making machine. It is hysterical how much families are putting out for this "elite" experience. Let's look at the costs:
4 years of private school (because of course the training and exposure will be superior there): each year about 30,000 = 120,000
Of course that isn't good enough, so throw in 6th-8th grade at another 30,000 per year=90,000
Travel team (rising 6th-rising 12th) 2,000 per year = 12,000
Extra fees for "important"recruiting tournaments (let's say they do 2 per summer grades 9-12) 400 each = 3,200
Individual showcase events (I will estimate 3 per year, however, the real die-Hard is doing upwards of 10) 500 each(also probably low) =6,000
Don't forget "prospect days" maybe 6 over the years 500 each = 3,000
Since Johnny is "elite" he needs to train more than anyone else so you will spend at least 1,000 per year on extra training, individual lessons = 6,000
Need speed, agility and strength training 500 per year (probably more) = 3,000
Total costs for your "star" lacrosse player: $243,200

Let's look at return, because of course all of the money will pay off! Let's say your player is offered a "commitment". We all know players are getting partial scholarships. We will look at 25% and 10%, because most will be 10 or less.

Private college:
Estimate 60,000 per year, 25% for 4 years will be $60,000
10% over 4 years will be 24,000

Public college: estimated cost $33,000 per year, 25% for 4 years will be $33,000
10% over 4 years will be $13,200

Wow, just wow....
Because parents are paying 30k to just play lacrosse and not to get an education at private High School? Loser mentality. Wait you bought a $400k house but borrowed the money and now will end up paying $900k for it? Wow just wow


Some people are there for the education(IMO misguided), but a good majority are there for lacrosse and lacrosse only. That is a fact. And you are right, they at losers
Hey don't knock the private schools, your Boss went to one and he signs your check
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's look at the numbers. Youth/HS club lacrosse has become a HUGE money making machine. It is hysterical how much families are putting out for this "elite" experience. Let's look at the costs:
4 years of private school (because of course the training and exposure will be superior there): each year about 30,000 = 120,000
Of course that isn't good enough, so throw in 6th-8th grade at another 30,000 per year=90,000
Travel team (rising 6th-rising 12th) 2,000 per year = 12,000
Extra fees for "important"recruiting tournaments (let's say they do 2 per summer grades 9-12) 400 each = 3,200
Individual showcase events (I will estimate 3 per year, however, the real die-Hard is doing upwards of 10) 500 each(also probably low) =6,000
Don't forget "prospect days" maybe 6 over the years 500 each = 3,000
Since Johnny is "elite" he needs to train more than anyone else so you will spend at least 1,000 per year on extra training, individual lessons = 6,000
Need speed, agility and strength training 500 per year (probably more) = 3,000
Total costs for your "star" lacrosse player: $243,200

Let's look at return, because of course all of the money will pay off! Let's say your player is offered a "commitment". We all know players are getting partial scholarships. We will look at 25% and 10%, because most will be 10 or less.

Private college:
Estimate 60,000 per year, 25% for 4 years will be $60,000
10% over 4 years will be 24,000

Public college: estimated cost $33,000 per year, 25% for 4 years will be $33,000
10% over 4 years will be $13,200

Wow, just wow....
Because parents are paying 30k to just play lacrosse and not to get an education at private High School? Loser mentality. Wait you bought a $400k house but borrowed the money and now will end up paying $900k for it? Wow just wow


Some people are there for the education(IMO misguided), but a good majority are there for lacrosse and lacrosse only. That is a fact. And you are right, they at losers
Just cause your son or daughter goes to a crappy public school in PA don't knock the private school kids.


How is pointing out the cost "knocking" a private school? And, if you think public schools are "crappy" you are sadly mistaken. Have you ever looked at a course catalog at a top public? Trust me, the opportunities at a big public far pass a small private, the small private just doesn't have the staff to accommodate a real variety of courses, not to mention the teachers at privates don't get paid a whole lot, so the best teachers go where they can earn a decent living. Obviously not going to change your mind, once you have sipped the private school "kool aid" you actually believe it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's look at the numbers. Youth/HS club lacrosse has become a HUGE money making machine. It is hysterical how much families are putting out for this "elite" experience. Let's look at the costs:
4 years of private school (because of course the training and exposure will be superior there): each year about 30,000 = 120,000
Of course that isn't good enough, so throw in 6th-8th grade at another 30,000 per year=90,000
Travel team (rising 6th-rising 12th) 2,000 per year = 12,000
Extra fees for "important"recruiting tournaments (let's say they do 2 per summer grades 9-12) 400 each = 3,200
Individual showcase events (I will estimate 3 per year, however, the real die-Hard is doing upwards of 10) 500 each(also probably low) =6,000
Don't forget "prospect days" maybe 6 over the years 500 each = 3,000
Since Johnny is "elite" he needs to train more than anyone else so you will spend at least 1,000 per year on extra training, individual lessons = 6,000
Need speed, agility and strength training 500 per year (probably more) = 3,000
Total costs for your "star" lacrosse player: $243,200

Let's look at return, because of course all of the money will pay off! Let's say your player is offered a "commitment". We all know players are getting partial scholarships. We will look at 25% and 10%, because most will be 10 or less.

Private college:
Estimate 60,000 per year, 25% for 4 years will be $60,000
10% over 4 years will be 24,000

Public college: estimated cost $33,000 per year, 25% for 4 years will be $33,000
10% over 4 years will be $13,200

Wow, just wow....
Because parents are paying 30k to just play lacrosse and not to get an education at private High School? Loser mentality. Wait you bought a $400k house but borrowed the money and now will end up paying $900k for it? Wow just wow


Some people are there for the education(IMO misguided), but a good majority are there for lacrosse and lacrosse only. That is a fact. And you are right, they at losers
Just cause your son or daughter goes to a crappy public school in PA don't knock the private school kids.


How is pointing out the cost "knocking" a private school? And, if you think public schools are "crappy" you are sadly mistaken. Have you ever looked at a course catalog at a top public? Trust me, the opportunities at a big public far pass a small private, the small private just doesn't have the staff to accommodate a real variety of courses, not to mention the teachers at privates don't get paid a whole lot, so the best teachers go where they can earn a decent living. Obviously not going to change your mind, once you have sipped the private school "kool aid" you actually believe it.
Because you literally said in parentheses "because of course the training and exposure will be superior there" Thats not a knock? Kool aid comment not a knock? Private schools offer a lot more outside of the "core curriculum" public schools are required to teach. It has been worth every penny. Even though its really expensive, the experience in and around the classroom is worth it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Losing focus here folks, this isn't an education forum.....let's get back to insulting each other, accusing each of other of cheating, and overanylzing youth sports, when we should be working and trying to climb the corporate ladder.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's look at the numbers. Youth/HS club lacrosse has become a HUGE money making machine. It is hysterical how much families are putting out for this "elite" experience. Let's look at the costs:
4 years of private school (because of course the training and exposure will be superior there): each year about 30,000 = 120,000
Of course that isn't good enough, so throw in 6th-8th grade at another 30,000 per year=90,000
Travel team (rising 6th-rising 12th) 2,000 per year = 12,000
Extra fees for "important"recruiting tournaments (let's say they do 2 per summer grades 9-12) 400 each = 3,200
Individual showcase events (I will estimate 3 per year, however, the real die-Hard is doing upwards of 10) 500 each(also probably low) =6,000
Don't forget "prospect days" maybe 6 over the years 500 each = 3,000
Since Johnny is "elite" he needs to train more than anyone else so you will spend at least 1,000 per year on extra training, individual lessons = 6,000
Need speed, agility and strength training 500 per year (probably more) = 3,000
Total costs for your "star" lacrosse player: $243,200

Let's look at return, because of course all of the money will pay off! Let's say your player is offered a "commitment". We all know players are getting partial scholarships. We will look at 25% and 10%, because most will be 10 or less.

Private college:
Estimate 60,000 per year, 25% for 4 years will be $60,000
10% over 4 years will be 24,000

Public college: estimated cost $33,000 per year, 25% for 4 years will be $33,000
10% over 4 years will be $13,200

Wow, just wow....
Because parents are paying 30k to just play lacrosse and not to get an education at private High School? Loser mentality. Wait you bought a $400k house but borrowed the money and now will end up paying $900k for it? Wow just wow


Some people are there for the education(IMO misguided), but a good majority are there for lacrosse and lacrosse only. That is a fact. And you are right, they at losers
Just cause your son or daughter goes to a crappy public school in PA don't knock the private school kids.


How is pointing out the cost "knocking" a private school? And, if you think public schools are "crappy" you are sadly mistaken. Have you ever looked at a course catalog at a top public? Trust me, the opportunities at a big public far pass a small private, the small private just doesn't have the staff to accommodate a real variety of courses, not to mention the teachers at privates don't get paid a whole lot, so the best teachers go where they can earn a decent living. Obviously not going to change your mind, once you have sipped the private school "kool aid" you actually believe it.
I wish school would start so you could go back to you day job.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's look at the numbers. Youth/HS club lacrosse has become a HUGE money making machine. It is hysterical how much families are putting out for this "elite" experience. Let's look at the costs:
4 years of private school (because of course the training and exposure will be superior there): each year about 30,000 = 120,000
Of course that isn't good enough, so throw in 6th-8th grade at another 30,000 per year=90,000
Travel team (rising 6th-rising 12th) 2,000 per year = 12,000
Extra fees for "important"recruiting tournaments (let's say they do 2 per summer grades 9-12) 400 each = 3,200
Individual showcase events (I will estimate 3 per year, however, the real die-Hard is doing upwards of 10) 500 each(also probably low) =6,000
Don't forget "prospect days" maybe 6 over the years 500 each = 3,000
Since Johnny is "elite" he needs to train more than anyone else so you will spend at least 1,000 per year on extra training, individual lessons = 6,000
Need speed, agility and strength training 500 per year (probably more) = 3,000
Total costs for your "star" lacrosse player: $243,200

Let's look at return, because of course all of the money will pay off! Let's say your player is offered a "commitment". We all know players are getting partial scholarships. We will look at 25% and 10%, because most will be 10 or less.

Private college:
Estimate 60,000 per year, 25% for 4 years will be $60,000
10% over 4 years will be 24,000

Public college: estimated cost $33,000 per year, 25% for 4 years will be $33,000
10% over 4 years will be $13,200

Wow, just wow....
Because parents are paying 30k to just play lacrosse and not to get an education at private High School? Loser mentality. Wait you bought a $400k house but borrowed the money and now will end up paying $900k for it? Wow just wow


Some people are there for the education(IMO misguided), but a good majority are there for lacrosse and lacrosse only. That is a fact. And you are right, they at losers
Just cause your son or daughter goes to a crappy public school in PA don't knock the private school kids.


How is pointing out the cost "knocking" a private school? And, if you think public schools are "crappy" you are sadly mistaken. Have you ever looked at a course catalog at a top public? Trust me, the opportunities at a big public far pass a small private, the small private just doesn't have the staff to accommodate a real variety of courses, not to mention the teachers at privates don't get paid a whole lot, so the best teachers go where they can earn a decent living. Obviously not going to change your mind, once you have sipped the private school "kool aid" you actually believe it.
Because you literally said in parentheses "because of course the training and exposure will be superior there" Thats not a knock? Kool aid comment not a knock? Private schools offer a lot more outside of the "core curriculum" public schools are required to teach. It has been worth every penny. Even though its really expensive, the experience in and around the classroom is worth it.
You sound like a public school teacher. What experience if any do you with a private school. There are about 15 school districts in PA that are worth going to. Unless your school is in Chester County it is very doubtful you are at one of them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
New Topic: How good will this new NXT High School team be? Will kids leave other top clubs to tryout? They blew twitter up with the coaching staff and the tryout. Thoughts?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
New Topic: How good will this new NXT High School team be? Will kids leave other top clubs to tryout? They blew twitter up with the coaching staff and the tryout. Thoughts?


Every single club is blowing up feeds with tryout info, they are no different
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Actually, my kids all went to CB West, which is also an amazing school. Through sports (I have 3 kids that all played multiple sports and my 2020 son is my youngest), I have met many amazing families from all over SE PA. You sound incredibly silly when you say "there are only 15 good schools in PA and they are all in Chester county". There are AMAZING public schools in Bucks, Montgomery and Delaware counties, in fact there are great public schools in every county in our state. You say I sound like a teacher, well, I am not, I own my own company. You ask how I know? Well, let me tell you some experience I have had.
1. A friend of mine decided to try a private school because it really was sold to them as a very strong academic experience. Their sons, who live in the Pheonixville SD, ended up lasting at this "elite" school for 3 months, they were not being challenged and their parents realized it was a giant waste of money. Not to mention, they thought their sons were going to suffer academically in the long run.
2. Another family I know has children who have gotten into Ivey schools, they attended the Rose Tree Media Schools district
3. Another friend had a son get a perfect score on their math SAT, they went to Spring Ford
If you feel the need to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars for your kids to go to a private school, more power to you. However, you are very misinformed (or just plain dumb) when you say there aren't good public schools all over the place.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
I have to agree. Went to public school myself and graduated with some great kids that went to great colleges and are extremely successful. Not that private schools can't and don't mirror that success. However, the institution doesn't make the individual. I personally know private school graduates that I wouldn't hire to walk my dog but also the same applies to people I konw that went to public school. Cream always rises to the top irrespective.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Any thoughts on NXT 2020?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any thoughts on NXT 2020?


How many times are you going to ask this question? It is another club, some people will want to be part, some won't. Don't know what you are fishing for
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any thoughts on NXT 2020?


They are going to be very similar in quality to Sons 2020. With 2-3 minor changes.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any thoughts on NXT 2020?


They are going to be very similar in quality to Sons 2020. With 2-3 minor changes.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Will be very curious to see what happens with the 2020 NXT team. Over 100 kids at tryouts. Seems like the previous poster thinks all of the former rising sons are shoe ins, I guess time will tell if NXT picks the best or if the tryout is a farce
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will be very curious to see what happens with the 2020 NXT team. Over 100 kids at tryouts. Seems like the previous poster thinks all of the former rising sons are shoe ins, I guess time will tell if NXT picks the best or if the tryout is a farce
Doubt it. Coaches said 125 kids, maybe some come tomorrow. Sons definitely will fill spots but maybe 10-12? Not sure there were a few Malvern helmets there that I'm assuming may be Sons as well. All the MP helmets could play. Definitely more than 2-3 changes. HHH helmets that were there may be 2-3 that looked legit. There was a ton of talent. Dukes, HHH, Sons, Mesa all in the mix. We will not be going back. Clearly my kid has not shot.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually, my kids all went to CB West, which is also an amazing school. Through sports (I have 3 kids that all played multiple sports and my 2020 son is my youngest), I have met many amazing families from all over SE PA. You sound incredibly silly when you say "there are only 15 good schools in PA and they are all in Chester county". There are AMAZING public schools in Bucks, Montgomery and Delaware counties, in fact there are great public schools in every county in our state. You say I sound like a teacher, well, I am not, I own my own company. You ask how I know? Well, let me tell you some experience I have had.
1. A friend of mine decided to try a private school because it really was sold to them as a very strong academic experience. Their sons, who live in the Pheonixville SD, ended up lasting at this "elite" school for 3 months, they were not being challenged and their parents realized it was a giant waste of money. Not to mention, they thought their sons were going to suffer academically in the long run.
2. Another family I know has children who have gotten into Ivey schools, they attended the Rose Tree Media Schools district
3. Another friend had a son get a perfect score on their math SAT, they went to Spring Ford
If you feel the need to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars for your kids to go to a private school, more power to you. However, you are very misinformed (or just plain dumb) when you say there aren't good public schools all over the place.
Hopefully CBW won't have to cancel any football games because of hazing
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Will be very curious to see what happens with the 2020 NXT team. Over 100 kids at tryouts. Seems like the previous poster thinks all of the former rising sons are shoe ins, I guess time will tell if NXT picks the best or if the tryout is a farce
Doubt it. Coaches said 125 kids, maybe some come tomorrow. Sons definitely will fill spots but maybe 10-12? Not sure there were a few Malvern helmets there that I'm assuming may be Sons as well. All the MP helmets could play. Definitely more than 2-3 changes. HHH helmets that were there may be 2-3 that looked legit. There was a ton of talent. Dukes, HHH, Sons, Mesa all in the mix. We will not be going back. Clearly my kid has not shot.


You're funny Malvern daddy
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Is that the same BL team that used older guest players against S2S in semi finals at NXT Cup?
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Will be very curious to see what happens with the 2020 NXT team. Over 100 kids at tryouts. Seems like the previous poster thinks all of the former rising sons are shoe ins, I guess time will tell if NXT picks the best or if the tryout is a farce
Doubt it. Coaches said 125 kids, maybe some come tomorrow. Sons definitely will fill spots but maybe 10-12? Not sure there were a few Malvern helmets there that I'm assuming may be Sons as well. All the MP helmets could play. Definitely more than 2-3 changes. HHH helmets that were there may be 2-3 that looked legit. There was a ton of talent. Dukes, HHH, Sons, Mesa all in the mix. We will not be going back. Clearly my kid has not shot.
Nope not even close. Not a Malvern Daddy although I was there today for roughriders tryouts. Just stating facts. Be surprised if they all didn't make it.

You're funny Malvern daddy
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Yep everyone was a 2022 and frankly were the better team. The 2 boys in question one was a Kennett pole the other a Lionville middie all rostered and members of the team
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Will be very curious to see what happens with the 2020 NXT team. Over 100 kids at tryouts. Seems like the previous poster thinks all of the former rising sons are shoe ins, I guess time will tell if NXT picks the best or if the tryout is a farce
Doubt it. Coaches said 125 kids, maybe some come tomorrow. Sons definitely will fill spots but maybe 10-12? Not sure there were a few Malvern helmets there that I'm assuming may be Sons as well. All the MP helmets could play. Definitely more than 2-3 changes. HHH helmets that were there may be 2-3 that looked legit. There was a ton of talent. Dukes, HHH, Sons, Mesa all in the mix. We will not be going back. Clearly my kid has not shot.
Nope not even close. Not a Malvern Daddy although I was there today for roughriders tryouts. Just stating facts. Be surprised if they all didn't make it.

You're funny Malvern daddy


So you're telling us that out of 125 kids, a random dad (you) picked out MP helmets and noticed that they were all great players? Really, because I have been to plenty of tryouts and usually I am focused on my kid. Don't buy it
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will be very curious to see what happens with the 2020 NXT team. Over 100 kids at tryouts. Seems like the previous poster thinks all of the former rising sons are shoe ins, I guess time will tell if NXT picks the best or if the tryout is a farce
Doubt it. Coaches said 125 kids, maybe some come tomorrow. Sons definitely will fill spots but maybe 10-12? Not sure there were a few Malvern helmets there that I'm assuming may be Sons as well. All the MP helmets could play. Definitely more than 2-3 changes. HHH helmets that were there may be 2-3 that looked legit. There was a ton of talent. Dukes, HHH, Sons, Mesa all in the mix. We will not be going back. Clearly my kid has not shot.
Nope not even close. Not a Malvern Daddy although I was there today for roughriders tryouts. Just stating facts. Be surprised if they all didn't make it.

You're funny Malvern daddy


So you're telling us that out of 125 kids, a random dad (you) picked out MP helmets and noticed that they were all great players? Really, because I have been to plenty of tryouts and usually I am focused on my kid. Don't buy it
Maybe because their helmets were so nice and shiny, I don't know sorry I said anything. Their helmets did stand out and were easy to spot because they were playing well and the sons were practicing at malvern last year. troll
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Did the pick the team yet?
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They did. We have not received notification either way but based on what my son said the invites went out to those who made it.
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Better talent at BL, but that loss just proves that you cannot just throw kids together at game time and expect to have the chemistry needed to beat a quality team like S2S.
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Do you sit at home an think this stuff up? BL didn't use anyone that was not a 2023, there were no guest players. The Kennett pole played every game at the NXT league, but was out for most of the summer. The lionville middies Dad is one of the assistant coaches, but was away for the weekend.


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Couldn't agree with you more; however, I can tell you that we didn't throw anything together. We just simply don't practice enough, and that will be rectifiied.

To put this into context this was a response from a post that Philly based teams can't beat the best Long Island and Baltimore Teams and that simply isn't true, and when we do beat them the Long Island guys are convinced we are cheating. Freedom 2022 has consistently beaten the top teams for several years and Brotherly Love 2023 and 2024 has as well. But in my opinion it is for one reason and one reason only. The Philly kids don't practice as much as those teams. If the BL 2023 team loses in sudden death to S2S, which was an excellent team, after practicing literally only 8 times in the Spring, how would they fare if they practiced 9 months out of the year like the LI and MD teams.

Then that same team beat Long Island Express in the consolation game withouth 2 starting poles.

Therer is little doubt the LI teams are more skilled but that can be addressed by the Philly Teams practicing more and I see that gap being closed in the next two years.

To stir the pot further I do think that it is interesting that at 2022 and below that the clubs that charge 50% less than the big name clubs and run by dads are the only ones in the discussion capable of beating the powerhouse clubs from LI and MD. Throw in the Freedom 2025 Team which looks impressive and it is a shutout.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Couldn't agree with you more; however, I can tell you that we didn't throw anything together. We just simply don't practice enough, and that will be rectifiied.

To put this into context this was a response from a post that Philly based teams can't beat the best Long Island and Baltimore Teams and that simply isn't true, and when we do beat them the Long Island guys are convinced we are cheating. Freedom 2022 has consistently beaten the top teams for several years and Brotherly Love 2023 and 2024 has as well. But in my opinion it is for one reason and one reason only. The Philly kids don't practice as much as those teams. If the BL 2023 team loses in sudden death to S2S, which was an excellent team, after practicing literally only 8 times in the Spring, how would they fare if they practiced 9 months out of the year like the LI and MD teams.

Then that same team beat Long Island Express in the consolation game withouth 2 starting poles.

Therer is little doubt the LI teams are more skilled but that can be addressed by the Philly Teams practicing more and I see that gap being closed in the next two years.

To stir the pot further I do think that it is interesting that at 2022 and below that the clubs that charge 50% less than the big name clubs and run by dads are the only ones in the discussion capable of beating the powerhouse clubs from LI and MD. Throw in the Freedom 2025 Team which looks impressive and it is a shutout.


Which Philly 2022 or 2021 club won any tournament attended by the top LI and MD clubs?
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What's happening at HHH that there were a dozen kids trying out for NXT 2020?
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I think their best days are behind them. The divorce between Dukes and HHH left both organization worse off. Dukes is struggling without a quality feeder program and HHH trying to be Dukes has alot more competition than when Dukes was the premier program.
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I don't believe anyone said they "won" the tournament and don't recall anyone mentioning 2021 in the mix. The Freedom 2022 has consistenly beaten and also played well against the best MD and LI Teams. Nobody is saying they are the best 2022 out there, just they can play with those teams. I would put them top 10 in that class. If your point is that LI and MD club teams are superior across the board they are; however, there is little doubt that Philly Teams are closing the gap and isn't that a good thing for the sport?
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Well, I see that TD is posting on Facebook about how happy he is that 12 of the Rising Sons made NXT. I guess he doesn't care about the other half of the kids that got cut?! What a D*&^ move... And, I see that he removed the post, so someone clued him in that only a total [lacrosse] would do that in the first place. Of course, anyone that knows TD knows that it par for the course with him.
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Well, I see that TD is posting on Facebook about how happy he is that 12 of the Rising Sons made NXT. I guess he doesn't care about the other half of the kids that got cut?! What a D*&^ move... And, I see that he removed the post, so someone clued him in that only a total [lacrosse] would do that in the first place. Of course, anyone that knows TD knows that it par for the course with him.
OMG one I can't believe he is friends with you (vomit), 2, he should be happy that he developed kids to play at a high level, 3 you have some serious issues you need to work out with yourself. Good job to those that made it. Oh and 4, the post is still up maybe he just removed you?
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Any word on how the younger RS teams are doing? when you look on the site there seems to be no mention of a 2025 team and the 24's don't.... have a coach listed
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says his daughter
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well, I see that TD is posting on Facebook about how happy he is that 12 of the Rising Sons made NXT. I guess he doesn't care about the other half of the kids that got cut?! What a D*&^ move... And, I see that he removed the post, so someone clued him in that only a total [lacrosse] would do that in the first place. Of course, anyone that knows TD knows that it par for the course with him.
OMG one I can't believe he is friends with you (vomit), 2, he should be happy that he developed kids to play at a high level, 3 you have some serious issues you need to work out with yourself. Good job to those that made it. Oh and 4, the post is still up maybe he just removed you?

1. Not friends with him, but know a parent of a boy who didn't make it. (Who sent a screen shot to me)
2. I tried to tell them years ago not to be associated with him, but they didn't listen. Now they wish they would have. Clearly, he could care less about the boys that didn't make it. He could have at least waited a week to brag
3. He can be as proud as he wants, but there is NO REASON to post them when 1/2 of the team didn't make it.
4. If he still has it up, just proves what a [lacrosse] he is.
5. And it is laughable that you would say he developed anyone, he is nothing more than a over the top lacrosse dad. He has zero experience coaching or playing the sport
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Quit being a bunch of cry babies. Tad took these kids to florida twice denver all over the place to play. All while not making a fortune off them like other clubs. At some point they were going to have to part ways.

He was excited for the kids who made and will probably look out for the kids who didnt as much as he can.

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He also won the event this past year. He was a student of the game and the kids all respected and loved him. All of them. Pisses me off that you try to impugn his character.
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Him cheating when he already had the best team shows al you need to know about his character.
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Its lacrosse everyone cheats.
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Twelve Sons: 5 Attack, 4 Defenders, 1 goalie, 2 mid
Five NXT: 2 defenders, 2 mid, 1 goalie

Hard to believe that those 17 should have all been included
in the top 25 out of 125
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Of course it's hard for you to believe. You can't even believe your son has to play for black bear
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well, I see that TD is posting on Facebook about how happy he is that 12 of the Rising Sons made NXT. I guess he doesn't care about the other half of the kids that got cut?! What a D*&^ move... And, I see that he removed the post, so someone clued him in that only a total [lacrosse] would do that in the first place. Of course, anyone that knows TD knows that it par for the course with him.
OMG one I can't believe he is friends with you (vomit), 2, he should be happy that he developed kids to play at a high level, 3 you have some serious issues you need to work out with yourself. Good job to those that made it. Oh and 4, the post is still up maybe he just removed you?

1. Not friends with him, but know a parent of a boy who didn't make it. (Who sent a screen shot to me)
2. I tried to tell them years ago not to be associated with him, but they didn't listen. Now they wish they would have. Clearly, he could care less about the boys that didn't make it. He could have at least waited a week to brag
3. He can be as proud as he wants, but there is NO REASON to post them when 1/2 of the team didn't make it.
4. If he still has it up, just proves what a [lacrosse] he is.
5. And it is laughable that you would say he developed anyone, he is nothing more than a over the top lacrosse dad. He has zero experience coaching or playing the sport
Hey this sounds like one of our long island moms that son got cut from the program and probably is a jv football player. I just came on the philly page and you guys don't waste anytime
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So I thought NXT offered the best training for lacrosse players. So they had a team of 25 kids who played for them this past summer, NXT trained them up, spent 12 months with them and now only 5 of 25 make the team for the next 12 months. So, where is the loyalty - there is none among Club Lacrosse teams. Would not want to be a player on the 2021 team this year - most likely you do not have a spot after this summer.
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Basically it is NXT admitting that they don't develop kids in their youth program. Only (5) made high school team. So they will take your $2,000 per year until a team of better kids come along.

Start little Johnnie with the HYPE in 4th grade. Drop 10 grand on training. Then lose your spot to reclassified kids that are at least one year older then Johnnie. But NXT will still train Johnnie for a huge fee. Oh yeah they are so nice that they will even find Johhnie a new club.
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I don't think any kids are reclassed on that HS team.
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Come on man, the constant homophobia is absurd and totally not needed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not at all my perverse friend. Ask other people that have kids on the team if BL cheats, you know some (come out of the closet) You yourself stated: (cut / paste from your post below)

" Their 2023 "B" team was playing and the second the game ended (and there were a few player that didn't look like "B" players) we all witnessed 3 players sprint from that field to the one above it (where they immediately joined the "A" BL team for a game.

It was the only game that BL played where the 3 players team came from a lower field to join the A game playing on the Stadium Field.

But again if the tournament director approved it as stated then it aint cheating why don't you call NXT and ask them since you seem desparate to prove a point.

Better yet go back to your favorite past time of watching young boys running around playing with their sticks.
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Rising Sons folded their 24 and 25 teams due to lack of interest. As everyone said 3 years ago, once the "head Son's" kid committed the program was over.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Very confused Rising Sons is done? Should my son attend tryouts?
The Sons will have 2021-2025 teams. They are working with NXT to create a training model specifically for their kids in these grades with hope that they choose NXT HS as rising freshman. Their highly successful 2020s are headed to NXT via an open tryout. I'd imagine a good majority of their kids will make it.
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Incorrect! HHH did it for 3 years and realized they had to do more because the model of just having 6,7,8th grade teams was silly and proved nothing. And as far as respect for Rising Sons, they don't have the level of respect you are stating. They were denied entry into the NLF and also were severely reprimanded by the Philly Spring League. Hogan at Hawks and the old Bethesda guys would no longer play them because of the cheating allegations and their real only friend was Igloo....who now couldn't care less.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
And thats exactly what they did. In a huge way. Developed players and continue to develop players. When HHH was running just 6,7,8 grade and funneling kids to Dukes were they not worth their salt? Are they worth their salt?? What an [lacrosse]. Look what they did in a few short years. Go ask around the top clubs in the country if their worth their salt. They are well respected despite what you keep saying to your self.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any program worth their salt should be able to keep and run teams through high school. I would be suspect of a club that couldn't. What is their real motivation in running their club? Anyone can find some youth kids to put together and win a tournament. A real club will develop players.
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Rumor is Wave One is helping get the team off the ground. Problem there is Wave One is run by a dad who has had his kid play on 5 or 6 different teams and he always moves because he does not believe coaches are being fair to his son. If he has money in Team 11 he will play an active role which could get very ugly, he and his wife can be really disruptive.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sankey needs to break away from Wave One though. They are supposedly funding Team 11 which means things will get ugly fast!


Can anyone expand on this. Not familiar with the relationship.
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Good question. HHH has some great coaches but yes, they are expensive and yes, the tryouts are costly. Many of the stud kids just go to the last official tryout so you really don't know how your kid stacks up until then.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can anyone offer information on HHH? The rolling tryout process seems like it's all about the money.
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I love it. NXT blows up social media with "elite team in country". Tryouts were a farce. 12 Sons pre ordained and 5 token NXT kids make team. Only one of the five NXT kids would have made the Sons let alone "one of the best 2020 teams in the country". Feel bad for the Sons that were thrown under the bus and feel worse for essentially the whole team/parents of NXT lead down a dead end street. NXT couldn't train\field an elite team so they destroyed one to meet their "business model".
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Mesa 21 won Young Guns this year

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Couldn't agree with you more; however, I can tell you that we didn't throw anything together. We just simply don't practice enough, and that will be rectifiied.

To put this into context this was a response from a post that Philly based teams can't beat the best Long Island and Baltimore Teams and that simply isn't true, and when we do beat them the Long Island guys are convinced we are cheating. Freedom 2022 has consistently beaten the top teams for several years and Brotherly Love 2023 and 2024 has as well. But in my opinion it is for one reason and one reason only. The Philly kids don't practice as much as those teams. If the BL 2023 team loses in sudden death to S2S, which was an excellent team, after practicing literally only 8 times in the Spring, how would they fare if they practiced 9 months out of the year like the LI and MD teams.

Then that same team beat Long Island Express in the consolation game withouth 2 starting poles.

Therer is little doubt the LI teams are more skilled but that can be addressed by the Philly Teams practicing more and I see that gap being closed in the next two years.

To stir the pot further I do think that it is interesting that at 2022 and below that the clubs that charge 50% less than the big name clubs and run by dads are the only ones in the discussion capable of beating the powerhouse clubs from LI and MD. Throw in the Freedom 2025 Team which looks impressive and it is a shutout.


Which Philly 2022 or 2021 club won any tournament attended by the top LI and MD clubs?
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Both teams just folded as of Sunday! Completely screwed their kids over. TD doesn't care about the program anymore, his kid committed and he is washing his hands of it. TBH I don't blame him. I just feel bad for the younger kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any word on how the younger RS teams are doing? when you look on the site there seems to be no mention of a 2025 team and the 24's don't.... have a coach listed
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Hold up there angry one. NXT has fielded highly competitive teams at the High School level. 2016-2019 all are very strong. Over 60 committed kids as well. The 12 Sons players are some of the best in Philly. There were actually a bunch of Lasalle kids that did not make the team and the 2020 coach is being coached by the head Lasalle Coach. Not so much of a farce. And by the way Nxt 2019 whooped on Mesa. To say they can't field an elite team is absurd.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I love it. NXT blows up social media with "elite team in country". Tryouts were a farce. 12 Sons pre ordained and 5 token NXT kids make team. Only one of the five NXT kids would have made the Sons let alone "one of the best 2020 teams in the country". Feel bad for the Sons that were thrown under the bus and feel worse for essentially the whole team/parents of NXT lead down a dead end street. NXT couldn't train\field an elite team so they destroyed one to meet their "business model".
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2019 MESA was a mess last summer. NXT is good for "A" tournaments.
They would get crushed in "AA" tournaments.

The twelve RS kids made the team before tryout started.
Not sure what that says about the legitimacy of the tryout
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Would guess at least 5, probably 7.
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Reading isn't a strong point
It said grow younger programs
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well, I see that TD is posting on Facebook about how happy he is that 12 of the Rising Sons made NXT. I guess he doesn't care about the other half of the kids that got cut?! What a D*&^ move... And, I see that he removed the post, so someone clued him in that only a total [lacrosse] would do that in the first place. Of course, anyone that knows TD knows that it par for the course with him.
OMG one I can't believe he is friends with you (vomit), 2, he should be happy that he developed kids to play at a high level, 3 you have some serious issues you need to work out with yourself. Good job to those that made it. Oh and 4, the post is still up maybe he just removed you?

1. Not friends with him, but know a parent of a boy who didn't make it. (Who sent a screen shot to me)
2. I tried to tell them years ago not to be associated with him, but they didn't listen. Now they wish they would have. Clearly, he could care less about the boys that didn't make it. He could have at least waited a week to brag
3. He can be as proud as he wants, but there is NO REASON to post them when 1/2 of the team didn't make it.
4. If he still has it up, just proves what a [lacrosse] he is.
5. And it is laughable that you would say he developed anyone, he is nothing more than a over the top lacrosse dad. He has zero experience coaching or playing the sport
Hey this sounds like one of our long island moms that son got cut from the program and probably is a jv football player. I just came on the philly page and you guys don't waste anytime


Is there something wrong with being a "JV football" player? I don't understand what your point is?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
2019 MESA was a mess last summer. NXT is good for "A" tournaments.
They would get crushed in "AA" tournaments.

The twelve RS kids made the team before tryout started.
Not sure what that says about the legitimacy of the tryout
totally false. But that fits what you need to tell yourself.
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Caught you TD!! You know how you always wonder who the anonymous posters are and you look for similarities to determine who it is?? This is evidence that the below message is from TD!! I have multiple forwarded emails from last year's NXT cheating scandal where TD mentions how "all of his kids love and respect him" and how he was so "pissed that everyone was trying to impugn his character."
Can't fault him though, not sure I could take the constant heat he gets on here without speaking up!


Originally Posted by Anonymous
He also won the event this past year. He was a student of the game and the kids all respected and loved him. All of them. Pisses me off that you try to impugn his character.
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Hold on great defender of all things NXT. Your right, the 12 Sons deserved to make it as they are very good, but they were picked before the tryout. As for the 5 NXT kids that made it only one deserved it. Funny how you did comment on that but started rambling on about LaSalle kids. My point is 17 of the kids were picked before tryouts, leaving 8 spots for the 100 kids left trying out over the weekend. NXT cashed in. Complete farce.
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30-40 defenders competing for 1-2 spots
40-45 attack competing for 1-2 spots
Goalies Thanks for your donation
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It's a tryout. Kids get cut. Deal with it.
Should NXT be "loyal" to their kids that have played on those joke teams for all those years? No. At this level it gets reshuffled.
It's not about how much you spent so your little princess could make bandits a few years back. It's about their reputation for fielding great teams.
Loyalty? In competitive sports? Go join a club where everyone makes it and if you cut the check you're on the team.
Put princess back in his safe space and tell him how this is all BS and it's all rigged and he's the best lax player ever and if that one kid didn't reclass and if the coach's son wasn't friends w/ so and so and blah blah blah.
Best thing that ever happened to my kid was to get cut once long ago.
Maybe the everyone gets to make the team AND get a trophy mentality isn't preparing your princesses for the reality of life.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hold on great defender of all things NXT. Your right, the 12 Sons deserved to make it as they are very good, but they were picked before the tryout. As for the 5 NXT kids that made it only one deserved it. Funny how you did comment on that but started rambling on about LaSalle kids. My point is 17 of the kids were picked before tryouts, leaving 8 spots for the 100 kids left trying out over the weekend. NXT cashed in. Complete farce.

How were the kids "picked" before the tryout? You mean they're really good and they'd be stupid NOT to take them?
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Good god. Imagine the inboxes of those NXT and Sons coaches who didn't make it. The venom those parents were spitting I'm sure could keep princess off many future teams.
Remember that some of these teams know the parents. And some of the parents are trainwrecks.
So who's starting another team for Johnny and his buddies that didn't make NXT? You'll show 'em who's boss, won't cha?
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Exactly how RS got started
Can't start on one team go start your own
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good god. Imagine the inboxes of those NXT and Sons coaches who didn't make it. The venom those parents were spitting I'm sure could keep princess off many future teams.
Remember that some of these teams know the parents. And some of the parents are trainwrecks.
So who's starting another team for Johnny and his buddies that didn't make NXT? You'll show 'em who's boss, won't cha?


You clearly don't know anything about the Sons 2020 team, because if you did, you would know that the parents that are "train wrecks" all had kids that made the team.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Exactly how RS got started
Can't start on one team go start your own


100% accurate, and that is the "train wreck" parent
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That's the problem with most of these clubs. They get into it for all the wrong reasons. Sons will be done soon and there are a couple others that seem to fit this mold. Sickening!! They give lax a bad rap.
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Can't pretend to know much about Rising Sons other than they were started by a dad, very successful, they charged alot of money, and they were cheating. But your sickening comment is a bit misguided. Quite a few posters above have linked Brotherly Love to RS and I suspect you are doing the same. BL was started by dads, very succesful, and now being accused of cheating. I can tell you they are not cheating as my son plays on the team and has played with the core Kennett group since he picked up a stick.

Also the one dad's son in my opinion could start on any 2024 club team in the country so he didn't start the club because "Johnny got cut or didn't have enough playing time." What I do know is that they are one of the cheapest options for club lacrosse in Philly. Last year I paid $450 and then between fall and summer for 4 tournaments. Looked up my bank account and my total outlay for the year was $950. Friends and neighbors are saying they are receiving invites from Philly based clubs for $1,600, $2,500, $2,000, and $3,000. Starting your own club isn't sickening that is capitalism. Taking people to the cleaners by charging that much money to play elementary/middle school lacrosse.....SICKENING!!!!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
What's happening at HHH that there were a dozen kids trying out for NXT 2020?


HHH 2020 players were told they would need to tryout again for next years team. Usually all the 8th graders get an automatic invite back. I think many of them tried out for Team 11, Dukes, and other clubs. The HHH team size is going to be cut back this year in order to make a stronger team.
Evaluations start on the 10th and official tryout is September 25.
New Home for HHH is Germantown Academy

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How do people like Mesa?? Is their coaching staff and exposure good?
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Do you think HHH will have a better team because of the reduced roster?
I believe Philly Freedom is a legit 2020 team. Maybe they'll pick up the scraps from the NXT tryouts.
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So daddy ball is, indeed, cheaper than the other clubs that are charging $2k.
The difference is in paid coaching.
HHH, the lower RS teams, most other good clubs hire real coaches, not daddys.
I'm sure there's some dads out there that can coach, no doubt.
For me and my money I want paid, professional coaches to develop my kids, not some dude I drink and play golf with on the weekends.
Let your kid out of his comfort zone where he doesn't know the coaches and they don't know him. You'll get more out of that kid than you've seen before. I've seen it.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
How do people like Mesa?? Is their coaching staff and exposure good?
Always a crap shoot. Exposure depends on the team. Coaches are going to watch the teams that are good. 2020's were awful this summer. 2019's were not strong, 2018's have a ton of talent and 2017's were just ok.
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So if your point is true and there may be merit in it why can none of the teams that charge 2K compete with the daddy ball teams? 2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025 name me one team in the Philly area that can consistently beat the daddy ball clubs such as Freedom and Brotherly Love. Not only can they not compete for the most part they get crushed. It is actually embarrasing to sit on the sideline and watch these teams play each other and we are on the winning team and I feel embarassed. Even some of the best teams in MD and LI are coached by dads.

Also, let's be honest HHH is running from the best local Philly teams. Might want to put down the kool aid.
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The question is "What is the goal?" And the answer is not to win every tournament and have the best team. The real answer and the goal of all these clubs is to get the kids in front of college coaches and that can be done without winning all your games. You need to be a solid team, win 75% or so, and get invited to the top tournaments and do ok. NXT showed themselves a bit here. If I was a parent of one of the kids who had played for 5 years on that team and now got cut I would tell my kid all the right things, BUT I would not be happy. Loyalty has to count for something and if you take a close look at their team it did....they kept their goalie from last year who is a great kid but was nowhere near the talent level of the other goalies who were at try outs. The question is why only him?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's a tryout. Kids get cut. Deal with it.
Should NXT be "loyal" to their kids that have played on those joke teams for all those years? No. At this level it gets reshuffled.
It's not about how much you spent so your little princess could make bandits a few years back. It's about their reputation for fielding great teams.
Loyalty? In competitive sports? Go join a club where everyone makes it and if you cut the check you're on the team.
Put princess back in his safe space and tell him how this is all BS and it's all rigged and he's the best lax player ever and if that one kid didn't reclass and if the coach's son wasn't friends w/ so and so and blah blah blah.
Best thing that ever happened to my kid was to get cut once long ago.
Maybe the everyone gets to make the team AND get a trophy mentality isn't preparing your princesses for the reality of life.
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That is so accurate!


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good god. Imagine the inboxes of those NXT and Sons coaches who didn't make it. The venom those parents were spitting I'm sure could keep princess off many future teams.
Remember that some of these teams know the parents. And some of the parents are trainwrecks.
So who's starting another team for Johnny and his buddies that didn't make NXT? You'll show 'em who's boss, won't cha?


You clearly don't know anything about the Sons 2020 team, because if you did, you would know that the parents that are "train wrecks" all had kids that made the team.
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Let's be clear here. BL did get caught cheating, it was made very clear by NXT already. And they started their program because their founder, and best player's father, was not asked to coach at Freedom and he became incredibly miffed at that. These are facts.
Brotherly Love is cheapest in the area for their age groups. But that is because tourneys at that age are for the most part cheaper to attend. Right now it is most appropriate to look at middle school and high school as the best metric for cost;

7th Grade
BL....1100
Freedom....1300
RoughRiders....1300
Fusion....2000
Rising Sons....2000
Mesa....2500
NXT....2500
HHH.....2500 add in Uprising for another 600

High School

BL....??
Freedom....1800
RoughRiders....1800
Fusion....2500
HHH....2500 add in Uprising for another 600
Mesa....3000
NXT....3000





Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can't pretend to know much about Rising Sons other than they were started by a dad, very successful, they charged alot of money, and they were cheating. But your sickening comment is a bit misguided. Quite a few posters above have linked Brotherly Love to RS and I suspect you are doing the same. BL was started by dads, very succesful, and now being accused of cheating. I can tell you they are not cheating as my son plays on the team and has played with the core Kennett group since he picked up a stick.

Also the one dad's son in my opinion could start on any 2024 club team in the country so he didn't start the club because "Johnny got cut or didn't have enough playing time." What I do know is that they are one of the cheapest options for club lacrosse in Philly. Last year I paid $450 and then between fall and summer for 4 tournaments. Looked up my bank account and my total outlay for the year was $950. Friends and neighbors are saying they are receiving invites from Philly based clubs for $1,600, $2,500, $2,000, and $3,000. Starting your own club isn't sickening that is capitalism. Taking people to the cleaners by charging that much money to play elementary/middle school lacrosse.....SICKENING!!!!
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Paid coaching is not always better but this argument goes on forever and in circles. Joey Sankey's dad coached him and his buddies, he did pretty well. And Sauers dad coached him in high school and he's a Team USA kid. It depends on the guy.



Originally Posted by Anonymous
So daddy ball is, indeed, cheaper than the other clubs that are charging $2k.
The difference is in paid coaching.
HHH, the lower RS teams, most other good clubs hire real coaches, not daddys.
I'm sure there's some dads out there that can coach, no doubt.
For me and my money I want paid, professional coaches to develop my kids, not some dude I drink and play golf with on the weekends.
Let your kid out of his comfort zone where he doesn't know the coaches and they don't know him. You'll get more out of that kid than you've seen before. I've seen it.
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Good question and here is how it works.
Coaching quality is team by team and age by age. Exposure is by program and doesn't start until 8th grade, if the program gets invited to the top tourneys they get exposure. The only way to get invited is to have good teams. The only teams in Philly that get invited to the top tourneys are HHH, Mesa, Freedom, and sometimes Sons. When BL gets a team that age they will be invited as well.
The other teams simply go to second tier tourneys and get very minimal exposure. Teams like RoughRiders, Fusion, Dukes Young Guns, Black Bear, etc, etc

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How do people like Mesa?? Is their coaching staff and exposure good?
Always a crap shoot. Exposure depends on the team. Coaches are going to watch the teams that are good. 2020's were awful this summer. 2019's were not strong, 2018's have a ton of talent and 2017's were just ok.
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This statement is inaccurate. Coaches watch the "players" that are good, not the teams. The only trick is to get into/be invited to the right tournaments

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How do people like Mesa?? Is their coaching staff and exposure good?
Always a crap shoot. Exposure depends on the team. Coaches are going to watch the teams that are good. 2020's were awful this summer. 2019's were not strong, 2018's have a ton of talent and 2017's were just ok.
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Let's be clear here. BL did get caught cheating, it was made very clear by NXT already. And they started their program because their founder, and best player's father, was not asked to coach at Freedom and he became incredibly miffed at that. These are facts.
Brotherly Love is cheapest in the area for their age groups. But that is because tourneys at that age are for the most part cheaper to attend. Right now it is most appropriate to look at middle school and high school as the best metric for cost;


This post was brought to my attention.

In reading these threads, I can't assuage you from the conviction that Brotherly Love is cheating there way to tournament championships and dastardly pursuing wins while laying waste to the Philly youth lacrosse landscape. So I won't try; however, your representation of why I started the club is a gross misrepresentation.

This is how the events transpired. I took my oldest son to tryout for the 2023 Freedom Team, based upon my research I thought it was the best Philly based club. My son is a 2024 player and he made the 2023 team. His experience was excellent. Did they win every game, no. Did they win a single tournament, no. However, loved his two coaches, made new friends, had a blast, and got better. He eventually worked his way to a starting attack spot on the team, so no daddy ball either. The two coaches that Freedom had in place were excellent and he still talks fondly of them to this day and is excited when he sees them at games. After all, we are talking about a kid that is still in elementary school.

Despite the incredibly positive experience, this is why I started the club with another father.

1. It was a pain in the [lacrosse] driving all the way from Kennett to Downingtown and it literally took at least an hour one way during rush hour, anyone that has been on 202 at that time can vouch.

2. Kennett Community Teams were stacked at 2022, 2023, and 2024. I believe we could literally field a national caliber club from just one neighborhood, Hartefeld, and play with any team in the country.

3. Parents that disbursed throughout the various local club offerings asked me to start a club team because they thought 2K for a club team was a ridiculous amount of money.

4. I am an entrepeneur, it is in my DNA.

So there you have it. Freedom experience was fantastic, coaching was excellent, and if I had to do it all over again, would. The impetus came solely from the reasons above and nothing more. I was never asked to coach and after coaching 3 of my own kids at the rec level was looking forward to just lounging in my chair, toes in the grass, drinking a beer. I was spent. All of us that have coached football and lacrosse in particular know the feeling. End of the season there is just very little left in the tank. I was never "miffed" simply just glad to be there.

If you are going to state facts might want to get them straight before traversing the libel route.

Can't let it go... if you are so wrong about why I started Brotherly Love and blatantly fabricated the story it does cast some serious credibility on your ascertions that BL is a nefarious cheater and that NXT has reprimanded us. As one of the owners of the club I can tell you we have not been chided and I personally talked to their tournament director and validated our players oscillating from team to team as long as they played "down" was acceptable.

Step out of the shrouds of anonymity and let the truth set you free.
Jonathan Nurry
Brotherly Love, Co-Founder
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How many kids from HHH made 2020nxt??
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I think five.
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Clearly, BL has cheated. Kids are not stupid, when new players show up in playoffs and none of the players know their names...you are cheating. Make whatever excuse you want but it has been witness by people here and on the LI board. We all were a witnesses.
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Uh yeah. My kid plays for BL and the two "guest" players they were referring to are a Downgingtown middie and a Kennett Pole. Yeah they were clearly bigger and better. Bad news for other 2023 teams is not only were they not guest players they will be back again next season. Just because they were wearing different shorts and a dad was brought in to help coach last minute who didn't know players names...please I sure hope you aren't in the legal profession. Kids aren't that stupid but you clearly are. Whatever helps you deal with the fact they are clearly better
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We played BL twice in the NXT League and I know the two boys, if it is their face off kid who stays on he is dominant. The pole playing LSM is ridiculous. You will be watching those boys on TV somdeday. Don't know if they are truly 2023 but if they are, scary.
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Hey get your HYPE NIGHT here!! Only 200 bucks. Give little Johnnie some hope of making the team. Ring the cash register. Go team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey get your HYPE NIGHT here!! Only 200 bucks. Give little Johnnie some hope of making the team. Ring the cash register. Go team.


It does make you wonder what Percent of boys who made the team did events like this, and others through NXT, during the year? Did the boys from NXT that made it, habitually pay more for events like this, and the ones that didn't get cut? What about the Rising Sons that made it, did some funnel lots of money to NXT During the last 12 months? Things that make you wonder...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey get your HYPE NIGHT here!! Only 200 bucks. Give little Johnnie some hope of making the team. Ring the cash register. Go team.


It does make you wonder what Percent of boys who made the team did events like this, and others through NXT, during the year? Did the boys from NXT that made it, habitually pay more for events like this, and the ones that didn't get cut? What about the Rising Sons that made it, did some funnel lots of money to NXT During the last 12 months? Things that make you wonder...
Who knows but the kids that made the team also made the PA Allstar games this year and last year. There were also kid that made the PA Allstar team but did not make the NXT 2020 team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey get your HYPE NIGHT here!! Only 200 bucks. Give little Johnnie some hope of making the team. Ring the cash register. Go team.


It does make you wonder what Percent of boys who made the team did events like this, and others through NXT, during the year? Did the boys from NXT that made it, habitually pay more for events like this, and the ones that didn't get cut? What about the Rising Sons that made it, did some funnel lots of money to NXT During the last 12 months? Things that make you wonder...
Who knows but the kids that made the team also made the PA Allstar games this year and last year. There were also kid that made the PA Allstar team but did not make the NXT 2020 team.


That's my point, is it pay to play? Even to make their "all-star" teams? You line their pockets and they pick your kid
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey get your HYPE NIGHT here!! Only 200 bucks. Give little Johnnie some hope of making the team. Ring the cash register. Go team.


It does make you wonder what Percent of boys who made the team did events like this, and others through NXT, during the year? Did the boys from NXT that made it, habitually pay more for events like this, and the ones that didn't get cut? What about the Rising Sons that made it, did some funnel lots of money to NXT During the last 12 months? Things that make you wonder...
Who knows but the kids that made the team also made the PA Allstar games this year and last year. There were also kid that made the PA Allstar team but did not make the NXT 2020 team.


That's my point, is it pay to play? Even to make their "all-star" teams? You line their pockets and they pick your kid
yeah i don't think so their kids paid the most and they didn't get chosen. They picked the top kids, they were very upfront with current nxt parents
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Where are the 2020 philly teams going this Fall?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where are the 2020 philly teams going this Fall?


How's the Mesa Fall Brawl line up looking?

I've heard the 3d IMG tourney in Delaware is drawing some good teams.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where are the 2020 philly teams going this Fall?


How's the Mesa Fall Brawl line up looking?

I've heard the 3d IMG tourney in Delaware is drawing some good teams.

no 2020's worth anything will go to Fall Brawl. They will all be a showcase events.
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Does anyone have experience with prospect days? Are they worth it, or really just a money grab?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anyone have experience with prospect days? Are they worth it, or really just a money grab?


Prospect days are great avenues for recruiting if you approach them properly. First and foremost, be realistic about your skill level and GRADES! Player must have appeal in either grades, talent, or both.

Make sure the coach knows you are interested by emailing and sending video. Confirm attendance at prospect day with email and expression of interest. At prospect day, introduce yourself(player) to coach and make sure he knows your number.

Play well.

Ask to speak with coach afterward.
At some point during this process, you will likely learn of their interest in you.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where are the 2020 philly teams going this Fall?


How's the Mesa Fall Brawl line up looking?

I've heard the 3d IMG tourney in Delaware is drawing some good teams.

no 2020's worth anything will go to Fall Brawl. They will all be a showcase events.


What fall showcases are there?
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Poor nxt parents\kids. All that money, traveling and hipe knighting for nothing. Like sheep lead over a cliff. Should have demanded better coaching/training. Instead all that money went to the van that plays loud music. Many other clubs in philly don't abandon the kids after eighth grade.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Poor nxt parents\kids. All that money, traveling and hipe knighting for nothing. Like sheep lead over a cliff. Should have demanded better coaching/training. Instead all that money went to the van that plays loud music. Many other clubs in philly don't abandon the kids after eighth grade.
For starters thats not true. Most elite clubs have tryouts every year. At least NXT keeps the team once they are Freshman. No more tryouts. ALL other clubs have tryouts every year. NXT doesn't allow for guest players, doesn't allow out of state "fly in" studs. All the others do.
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Pretty sure that NXT offers a one-time open try out to their high school teams in the 9th grade and has for a few years now. Just because your kid didn't make the cut doesn't mean the process is suddenly unfair.
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Penn State has the best 2020 attackman committed. And they also have the weakest.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Who is the best?
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Great talking points!! There were 23 kids on nxt roster for eighth grade. Five of those kids made the ninth grade team. Four of those for show, as there was way better talent on the field for tryouts. It is a fair question to ask, if only one of 23 kids was talented enough to make the team, is this a reflection of poor coaching/training for the money?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Poor nxt parents\kids. All that money, traveling and hipe knighting for nothing. Like sheep lead over a cliff. Should have demanded better coaching/training. Instead all that money went to the van that plays loud music. Many other clubs in philly don't abandon the kids after eighth grade.
For starters thats not true. Most elite clubs have tryouts every year. At least NXT keeps the team once they are Freshman. No more tryouts. ALL other clubs have tryouts every year. NXT doesn't allow for guest players, doesn't allow out of state "fly in" studs. All the others do.
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If the entire Rising Sons roster (+ some talented players from HHH, Mesa, etc..) had decided to try out for any one local club, some 2020's were going to be displaced.

The good news is if your kid is as great as you think he'll have no problem finding a home. There are plenty of clubs that would be happy to take a stud who slipped through the cracks.
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Can't believe you all have this much discussion on a Philly board.
The LI board is much better, just like on the LAX field, I guess.
Your teams are weak.
Your parents are weak.
Your kids are weak.
Your coaching is weak.
Get it together and rally one team with the best kids and come to the island or shut up already.
We own you. When your kids are at showcases w LI kids they get destroyed. Please get better Philly.
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There are two good 2020 teams on Long Island the rest of the teams are not very good.
Across the board the parents are brutal. Not sure who are worse
Boston or LI.
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Philly tried that....it was called Rising Sons 2021. Unfortunately due to daddy ball and cheating it imploded.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Philly tried that....it was called Rising Sons 2021. Unfortunately due to daddy ball and cheating it imploded.
haha. Back stronger than ever.
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Mr. Nurry, where there is smoke there's fire....."let the truth set you free". He doth protest too much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's be clear here. BL did get caught cheating, it was made very clear by NXT already. And they started their program because their founder, and best player's father, was not asked to coach at Freedom and he became incredibly miffed at that. These are facts.
Brotherly Love is cheapest in the area for their age groups. But that is because tourneys at that age are for the most part cheaper to attend. Right now it is most appropriate to look at middle school and high school as the best metric for cost;


This post was brought to my attention.

In reading these threads, I can't assuage you from the conviction that Brotherly Love is cheating there way to tournament championships and dastardly pursuing wins while laying waste to the Philly youth lacrosse landscape. So I won't try; however, your representation of why I started the club is a gross misrepresentation.

This is how the events transpired. I took my oldest son to tryout for the 2023 Freedom Team, based upon my research I thought it was the best Philly based club. My son is a 2024 player and he made the 2023 team. His experience was excellent. Did they win every game, no. Did they win a single tournament, no. However, loved his two coaches, made new friends, had a blast, and got better. He eventually worked his way to a starting attack spot on the team, so no daddy ball either. The two coaches that Freedom had in place were excellent and he still talks fondly of them to this day and is excited when he sees them at games. After all, we are talking about a kid that is still in elementary school.

Despite the incredibly positive experience, this is why I started the club with another father.

1. It was a pain in the [lacrosse] driving all the way from Kennett to Downingtown and it literally took at least an hour one way during rush hour, anyone that has been on 202 at that time can vouch.

2. Kennett Community Teams were stacked at 2022, 2023, and 2024. I believe we could literally field a national caliber club from just one neighborhood, Hartefeld, and play with any team in the country.

3. Parents that disbursed throughout the various local club offerings asked me to start a club team because they thought 2K for a club team was a ridiculous amount of money.

4. I am an entrepeneur, it is in my DNA.

So there you have it. Freedom experience was fantastic, coaching was excellent, and if I had to do it all over again, would. The impetus came solely from the reasons above and nothing more. I was never asked to coach and after coaching 3 of my own kids at the rec level was looking forward to just lounging in my chair, toes in the grass, drinking a beer. I was spent. All of us that have coached football and lacrosse in particular know the feeling. End of the season there is just very little left in the tank. I was never "miffed" simply just glad to be there.

If you are going to state facts might want to get them straight before traversing the libel route.

Can't let it go... if you are so wrong about why I started Brotherly Love and blatantly fabricated the story it does cast some serious credibility on your ascertions that BL is a nefarious cheater and that NXT has reprimanded us. As one of the owners of the club I can tell you we have not been chided and I personally talked to their tournament director and validated our players oscillating from team to team as long as they played "down" was acceptable.

Step out of the shrouds of anonymity and let the truth set you free.
Jonathan Nurry
Brotherly Love, Co-Founder
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1 attackman and 1 defenseman don't make a team TD.....
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Philly tried that....it was called Rising Sons 2021. Unfortunately due to daddy ball and cheating it imploded.
haha. Back stronger than ever.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
1 attackman and 1 defenseman don't make a team TD.....
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Philly tried that....it was called Rising Sons 2021. Unfortunately due to daddy ball and cheating it imploded.
haha. Back stronger than ever.
haha you think everything is td, your a goof go look at yourself in the mirror........I know thats what i'm talking about.
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“Some people have so little going on in their lives, they would rather discuss yours.” ~Unknown
:-)


quote=Anonymous]Mr. Nurry, where there is smoke there's fire....."let the truth set you free". He doth protest too much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's be clear here. BL did get caught cheating, it was made very clear by NXT already. And they started their program because their founder, and best player's father, was not asked to coach at Freedom and he became incredibly miffed at that. These are facts.
Brotherly Love is cheapest in the area for their age groups. But that is because tourneys at that age are for the most part cheaper to attend. Right now it is most appropriate to look at middle school and high school as the best metric for cost;


This post was brought to my attention.

In reading these threads, I can't assuage you from the conviction that Brotherly Love is cheating there way to tournament championships and dastardly pursuing wins while laying waste to the Philly youth lacrosse landscape. So I won't try; however, your representation of why I started the club is a gross misrepresentation.

This is how the events transpired. I took my oldest son to tryout for the 2023 Freedom Team, based upon my research I thought it was the best Philly based club. My son is a 2024 player and he made the 2023 team. His experience was excellent. Did they win every game, no. Did they win a single tournament, no. However, loved his two coaches, made new friends, had a blast, and got better. He eventually worked his way to a starting attack spot on the team, so no daddy ball either. The two coaches that Freedom had in place were excellent and he still talks fondly of them to this day and is excited when he sees them at games. After all, we are talking about a kid that is still in elementary school.

Despite the incredibly positive experience, this is why I started the club with another father.

1. It was a pain in the [lacrosse] driving all the way from Kennett to Downingtown and it literally took at least an hour one way during rush hour, anyone that has been on 202 at that time can vouch.

2. Kennett Community Teams were stacked at 2022, 2023, and 2024. I believe we could literally field a national caliber club from just one neighborhood, Hartefeld, and play with any team in the country.

3. Parents that disbursed throughout the various local club offerings asked me to start a club team because they thought 2K for a club team was a ridiculous amount of money.

4. I am an entrepeneur, it is in my DNA.

So there you have it. Freedom experience was fantastic, coaching was excellent, and if I had to do it all over again, would. The impetus came solely from the reasons above and nothing more. I was never asked to coach and after coaching 3 of my own kids at the rec level was looking forward to just lounging in my chair, toes in the grass, drinking a beer. I was spent. All of us that have coached football and lacrosse in particular know the feeling. End of the season there is just very little left in the tank. I was never "miffed" simply just glad to be there.

If you are going to state facts might want to get them straight before traversing the libel route.

Can't let it go... if you are so wrong about why I started Brotherly Love and blatantly fabricated the story it does cast some serious credibility on your ascertions that BL is a nefarious cheater and that NXT has reprimanded us. As one of the owners of the club I can tell you we have not been chided and I personally talked to their tournament director and validated our players oscillating from team to team as long as they played "down" was acceptable.

Step out of the shrouds of anonymity and let the truth set you free.
Jonathan Nurry
Brotherly Love, Co-Founder
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Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Heard they found a bunch of 2020 evaluation sheets in the trashcan with doodle art all over them. Now at dinner tonight, I can explain to my stud kid why he fell through the cracks.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If the entire Rising Sons roster (+ some talented players from HHH, Mesa, etc..) had decided to try out for any one local club, some 2020's were going to be displaced.

The good news is if your kid is as great as you think he'll have no problem finding a home. There are plenty of clubs that would be happy to take a stud who slipped through the cracks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
God forbid little Johnny face a setback in his young life....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
God forbid little Johnny face a setback in his young life....


Says the dad who has done everything in his power to make sure his kid made the team!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
1 attackman and 1 defenseman don't make a team TD.....
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Philly tried that....it was called Rising Sons 2021. Unfortunately due to daddy ball and cheating it imploded.
haha. Back stronger than ever.
haha you think everything is td, your a goof go look at yourself in the mirror........I know thats what i'm talking about.


What does this mean? "I know that's what i'm talking about" and what is td? is this some type of code?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
TD is short for Tad Doyle the founder of Rising sons. He is kinda like the jesus of philly lax some think he is the mesiah others think he is a lunatic. I am somewhere in the middle
Jesus that is a stretch
Let's get some constructive conversation going here...
Who's gonna win Fall Brawl?
You can't "win" Fall Brawl. I believe its 3 games and done. They charge $800 to run 1 game. So my guess Mesa is the winner.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's get some constructive conversation going here...
Who's gonna win Fall Brawl?
I dare somebody come on hear and say Sons. I dare you.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's get some constructive conversation going here...
Who's gonna win Fall Brawl?
I dare somebody come on hear and say Sons. I dare you.


The Sons started the philly lax revolution. Before them it lousy clubs coached by college kids who didnt want to be there. After the 2020s got going people realized that kids wanted to be active year round and have better non dad coaches. Now there are better options than fever and pyla in the area. You call the sons cheaters, I call them revolutionaries.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's get some constructive conversation going here...
Who's gonna win Fall Brawl?
I dare somebody come on hear and say Sons. I dare you.


The Sons started the philly lax revolution. Before them it lousy clubs coached by college kids who didnt want to be there. After the 2020s got going people realized that kids wanted to be active year round and have better non dad coaches. Now there are better options than fever and pyla in the area. You call the sons cheaters, I call them revolutionaries.
Agreed. We've played with a few clubs in philly and landed last year with the Sons. Head and shoulders above anything we've been to. People can say what they want but once you experience it your mind will change.
Ouch. This will certainly stoke the conversation. Nice work TD.
Can someone explain to me what is the purpose of the Dukes National team? How can a team that practices once a month be better than a top team that practices year round?
Whooooaaaaaa, "Jesus of Philly Lax"??? I am sincerely hoping you don't mean that! Lacrosse has been huge in Philly for decades, and even if you meant just youth lacrosse you can't even breathe [lacrosse] name in the same sentence as guys like Norm Treinish, Jeff Pettit, John Linehan, [lacrosse] Lange, Ralph Davies, Tony Resch, Chris Flynn, and maybe 25 other guys. These are the guys who played in college and brought lacrosse to our kids by starting the youth leagues which led to quality high school play and then now the club teams. Tad started a program 4 years ago that will last 1 more year. He had one great team that imploded after 1 year.
Sorry for the ranting but it appears no one on this site knows the history of lacrosse in Philadelphia. It is rich and should be required knowledge for every parent and kid in the area.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TD is short for Tad Doyle the founder of Rising sons. He is kinda like the jesus of philly lax some think he is the mesiah others think he is a lunatic. I am somewhere in the middle
What the [lacrosse] are you talking about? The evolution is simple;
Ashbee started youth lacrosse first with Abington right behind them. Then came SEPYLA and then CCLA. From there PYLA and Black Bear and a few others started. A few years later started Mesa, Freedom and some more and they got more competitive. Then came some more, Roughriders, HHH, Dukes Youth, and then Rising Sons. All were coached by fathers, even Rising Sons.
You are a moron and know nothing of the history of youth lacrosse in the area. What has hurt us so much in PA is the fathers who start programs who never played the game! This is not football, this is not baseball, lacrosse is a fraternity and all of us who played the game in college and who are watching you all run around like chickens with your heads cut off find it hysterical to think you are going to buy your way in.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's get some constructive conversation going here...
Who's gonna win Fall Brawl?
I dare somebody come on hear and say Sons. I dare you.


The Sons started the philly lax revolution. Before them it lousy clubs coached by college kids who didnt want to be there. After the 2020s got going people realized that kids wanted to be active year round and have better non dad coaches. Now there are better options than fever and pyla in the area. You call the sons cheaters, I call them revolutionaries.
I love when Tad responds to his own messages as if he's a different person! Really going to suck when Rising Sons folds next year. They already folded their 24 and 25 teams and currently have only 3 teams left. Next year will have only 2 and TD will be watching his kid at Malvern.....the ship is sinking people!!!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's get some constructive conversation going here...
Who's gonna win Fall Brawl?
I dare somebody come on hear and say Sons. I dare you.


The Sons started the philly lax revolution. Before them it lousy clubs coached by college kids who didnt want to be there. After the 2020s got going people realized that kids wanted to be active year round and have better non dad coaches. Now there are better options than fever and pyla in the area. You call the sons cheaters, I call them revolutionaries.
Agreed. We've played with a few clubs in philly and landed last year with the Sons. Head and shoulders above anything we've been to. People can say what they want but once you experience it your mind will change.
The 2020 Sons was a great team until half the kids were sent to the nxt money train and the other half sent on the train to nowhere. Why any parent/kid would waste their time or money on these two clubs is a complete mystery when after 8th grade its bye bye time. There are plenty of other great clubs in the philly area to choose from.
My kid is at sons for the coaching. The coaching NOW, not at HS showcase time.
What many of you don't realize is the reshuffle when these kids enter the HS years.
It happened before sons, it's gonna happen now, it's gonna happen in the future.
IT DOES NOT MATTER WHERE SNOWFLAKE PLAYS TODAY.
Get the best coaching and then decide who you will play for when he's a rising freshman.
I love all the loyalty talk about after 8th grade. You can jump ship on a program and conversely, they can cut ties with you.
Buyer beware.
Who reshuffles at high school now?
Freedom? no
Mesa? no
HHH? no
Dukes? no

NXT had a terrible team at 2020. They went out and cut a deal to
get 12 kids from a very good team. Then acted like they where having an open tryout. Made a couple thousand and picked up a couple additional kids. May have even dropped from a talent
level from the 2020 Rising Sons team. My guess is that it will happen again next year. So if your kid is a "Snowflake" on the Rising Sons team he will have no problem getting in with NXT. If he is not one of the "Snowflakes" he will be out in the cold with the other NXT and Rising Sons outsiders.

Heard that some parents aren't really happy with all of the selections of the NXT 2020 team. People have been overheard saying "this kid shouldn't have made it, _______ is better". Not a great way to start a season with a new team
nxt has had mediocre teams for years. They win hands down when it comes to social media though. Nobody does tweets, likes and selfies better
Not surprising. nxt has had mediocre teams for years. tryouts were preordained. Parents shouldn't be happy. Look on the bright side though. Nobody does tweets, likes and selfies better than nxt. Great for little johnny exposure.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard that some parents aren't really happy with all of the selections of the NXT 2020 team. People have been overheard saying "this kid shouldn't have made it, _______ is better". Not a great way to start a season with a new team
Doubt it.
They do reshuffle, especially this year. Freedom has the least amount of turnover. Most eventually leave Freedom to play for HHH or Mesa (back in the day) Starting with 2020 they've been able to keep their kids and add new ones. Mesa is totally rebuilding and will probably end up with a bunch of Sons kids. No loyalty on Mesa part. HHH is always having tryouts and kept a 35+ man roster last year. Dukes is irrelevant anymore but are always trying to load and unload kids
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who reshuffles at high school now?
Freedom? no
Mesa? no
HHH? no
Dukes? no

NXT had a terrible team at 2020. They went out and cut a deal to
get 12 kids from a very good team. Then acted like they where having an open tryout. Made a couple thousand and picked up a couple additional kids. May have even dropped from a talent
level from the 2020 Rising Sons team. My guess is that it will happen again next year. So if your kid is a "Snowflake" on the Rising Sons team he will have no problem getting in with NXT. If he is not one of the "Snowflakes" he will be out in the cold with the other NXT and Rising Sons outsiders.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard that some parents aren't really happy with all of the selections of the NXT 2020 team. People have been overheard saying "this kid shouldn't have made it, _______ is better". Not a great way to start a season with a new team
Doubt it.


I would find it very easy to believe, there is even someone on here saying that the level of the Sons old team may have dropped.
This is a quote from another post
"May have even dropped from a talent
level from the 2020 Rising Sons team"

I would bet money that whoever posted that has said it out loud too. And with the NXT policy of having every single team member receiving the same exact amount of minutes, and I am not saying that is a bad thing, I bet there are some people who are not impressed that their kid has to split time with a player that they feel is inferior. Doesn't say much about the people that are saying these things about their new "teammates"
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard that some parents aren't really happy with all of the selections of the NXT 2020 team. People have been overheard saying "this kid shouldn't have made it, _______ is better". Not a great way to start a season with a new team
Doubt it.


I would find it very easy to believe, there is even someone on here saying that the level of the Sons old team may have dropped.
This is a quote from another post
"May have even dropped from a talent
level from the 2020 Rising Sons team"

I would bet money that whoever posted that has said it out loud too. And with the NXT policy of having every single team member receiving the same exact amount of minutes, and I am not saying that is a bad thing, I bet there are some people who are not impressed that their kid has to split time with a player that they feel is inferior. Doesn't say much about the people that are saying these things about their new "teammates"
That is not our policy at NXT.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They do reshuffle, especially this year. Freedom has the least amount of turnover. Most eventually leave Freedom to play for HHH or Mesa (back in the day) Starting with 2020 they've been able to keep their kids and add new ones. Mesa is totally rebuilding and will probably end up with a bunch of Sons kids. No loyalty on Mesa part. HHH is always having tryouts and kept a 35+ man roster last year. Dukes is irrelevant anymore but are always trying to load and unload kids
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who reshuffles at high school now?
Freedom? no
Mesa? no
HHH? no
Dukes? no

NXT had a terrible team at 2020. They went out and cut a deal to
get 12 kids from a very good team. Then acted like they where having an open tryout. Made a couple thousand and picked up a couple additional kids. May have even dropped from a talent
level from the 2020 Rising Sons team. My guess is that it will happen again next year. So if your kid is a "Snowflake" on the Rising Sons team he will have no problem getting in with NXT. If he is not one of the "Snowflakes" he will be out in the cold with the other NXT and Rising Sons outsiders.

What is a snowflake?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They do reshuffle, especially this year. Freedom has the least amount of turnover. Most eventually leave Freedom to play for HHH or Mesa (back in the day) Starting with 2020 they've been able to keep their kids and add new ones. Mesa is totally rebuilding and will probably end up with a bunch of Sons kids. No loyalty on Mesa part. HHH is always having tryouts and kept a 35+ man roster last year. Dukes is irrelevant anymore but are always trying to load and unload kids
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who reshuffles at high school now?
Freedom? no
Mesa? no
HHH? no
Dukes? no

NXT had a terrible team at 2020. They went out and cut a deal to
get 12 kids from a very good team. Then acted like they where having an open tryout. Made a couple thousand and picked up a couple additional kids. May have even dropped from a talent
level from the 2020 Rising Sons team. My guess is that it will happen again next year. So if your kid is a "Snowflake" on the Rising Sons team he will have no problem getting in with NXT. If he is not one of the "Snowflakes" he will be out in the cold with the other NXT and Rising Sons outsiders.

What is a snowflake?


Someone very special and unique, the joke being that in most areas there is no such thing.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who reshuffles at high school now?
Freedom? no
Mesa? no
HHH? no
Dukes? no

NXT had a terrible team at 2020. They went out and cut a deal to
get 12 kids from a very good team. Then acted like they where having an open tryout. Made a couple thousand and picked up a couple additional kids. May have even dropped from a talent
level from the 2020 Rising Sons team. My guess is that it will happen again next year. So if your kid is a "Snowflake" on the Rising Sons team he will have no problem getting in with NXT. If he is not one of the "Snowflakes" he will be out in the cold with the other NXT and Rising Sons outsiders.

TD's on social media promoting his 2021's? He lost every kid two years ago how can he even think he has a good team?
It just shows you what a mess other programs are. You leave RS, you can see they are imploding and you go back? What does that say for MESA, HHH and where ever else those kids went....
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It just shows you what a mess other programs are. You leave RS, you can see they are imploding and you go back? What does that say for MESA, HHH and where ever else those kids went....
Who went back? I believe its all new.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It just shows you what a mess other programs are. You leave RS, you can see they are imploding and you go back? What does that say for MESA, HHH and where ever else those kids went....


The kids that went to Mesa have stayed there, except for 1. And, that team did better than the Rising Sons 2021 team ever did. Mesa was and still is the team to beat at 2021. TD can talk that team up all they want, after this year they won't exist and no one will ever remember them
Remember you are talking about the kids and their current team they play for. Whatever your jealousy is with RS, and the director, take it off line , be more constructive with the conversation or at least man up and don't be anonymous with your bad mouthing of all that is lacrosse in this area.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It just shows you what a mess other programs are. You leave RS, you can see they are imploding and you go back? What does that say for MESA, HHH and where ever else those kids went....


Thank God that means their parents stayed too. /The kids that went to Mesa have stayed there, except for 1. And, that team did better than the Rising Sons 2021 team ever did. Mesa was and still is the team to beat at 2021. TD can talk that team up all they want, after this year they won't exist and no one will ever remember them
How were HHH tryouts?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How were HHH tryouts?
Very light, too many clubs
Why is it that at nxt run tournaments the nxt teams are put in the weakest groupings and still can't win?
Because their teams stink. There are only 4 -5 good teams in philly. Mesa, HHH Freedom Sons and I think brotherly love has one good team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why is it that at nxt run tournaments the nxt teams are put in the weakest groupings and still can't win?
I'm from outside Philly, can anyone tell me what happened with Dukes?
It seems like Dukes can't put together teams in Philly anymore and are now doing "National" and "Virginia" teams.

What happened?
dukes is toast. Mesa, NXT, Freedom, HHH have a better model. For all the hatred spewing over TD, Ebe (and Gonzo bros) take the cake as dirtbags
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It seems like Dukes can't put together teams in Philly anymore and are now doing "National" and "Virginia" teams.

What happened?
They don't practice, therefore they don't train. Parents want more for their kids.
They parted ways with HHH which was their feeder program now they both are average clubs at best. HHH now can't beat anyone take a look at their scores in tourney machine don't even make it out of pool play. Dukes they are dying a slow death. Both were once great lost their moral compass and lured by $
Dukes 2022 national I saw this past summer and they dismantled everyone. They were real good. Why was that?
There is talk of a local Philly U13 team forming to compete in Denver July 2017. Does anyone have any info about it?
Is anyone familiar with a U13 Philly team being formed to compete in Denver 2017 Championships?
Maryland and New [lacrosse] kids seem to feed Dukes national teams now. How does that work? To
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dukes 2022 national I saw this past summer and they dismantled everyone. They were real good. Why was that?
Listen its really really easy to go out and put together the best kids on the East Coast and win games. However, that doesn't constitute a great program. Kids left that team because there wasn't any training or coaching. Big names, big promises no delivery. Just like many programs.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dukes 2022 national I saw this past summer and they dismantled everyone. They were real good. Why was that?
Listen its really really easy to go out and put together the best kids on the East Coast and win games. However, that doesn't constitute a great program. Kids left that team because there wasn't any training or coaching. Big names, big promises no delivery. Just like many programs.


They dismantled teams in B tournaments. What were their best wins? Any wins against the Long Island big 4? Beat any team that made the HoCo playoffs?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dukes 2022 national I saw this past summer and they dismantled everyone. They were real good. Why was that?
Listen its really really easy to go out and put together the best kids on the East Coast and win games. However, that doesn't constitute a great program. Kids left that team because there wasn't any training or coaching. Big names, big promises no delivery. Just like many programs.


They dismantled teams in B tournaments. What were their best wins? Any wins against the Long Island big 4? Beat any team that made the HoCo playoffs?


Dukes Nationals is a joke. Of course you're going to win. You have some of the greatest talent on the East Coast.
The team isn't great because of coaching or a system. It's great because of the kids and the training those kids got from years 1-13.
The team is less than a year old and has practiced maybe 10 times. Total. You really think the coaching had anything to do with the success? Cool kits, custom helmets and gloves, an opportunity to play more lacrosse. That's the appeal for the kids.
It's an all star team that hasn't played anyone in any real tournament because all their players are playing on their "real" teams in said real tourneys.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is anyone familiar with a U13 Philly team being formed to compete in Denver 2017 Championships?

I'd love to hear about this...Public tryout or the dads get together at the Inter-AC social at Merion CC and hash out the roster?
Hasn't that always been the Dukes model? Grab the best kids, don't practice just go play. They tried starting a new model with Dukes South, but couldn't have chooses a worse person to run it.
Are the guys who sent teams to the world games doing a team they all should have age eligible kids.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are the guys who sent teams to the world games doing a team they all should have age eligible kids.


That's why Wsyl is a joke. They are all pickup teams and not the teams that work together all year
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hasn't that always been the Dukes model? Grab the best kids, don't practice just go play. They tried starting a new model with Dukes South, but couldn't have chooses a worse person to run it.


Hey Dukes, Napoleon Dynamite called, he want's his artwork back.
Duke's 2022 is ok, my son's team beat them 9-1 this summer. However, our team went 0-6 in the 2022 AA HOCO Spring league, so that may give you an idea of where they are on the spectrum of 'top teams', or at least how they compare to teams from the Baltimore/DC area.
Is that dukes or dukes nationals? They are two different animals.
I believe it was the Nationals, as Gonzo was the coach and he said there were a few kids from API Diamondbacks and other Baltimore area Teams. They were good, we were their only loss, so I think they finished 3rd (they beat Kooper's LC) in the consolation game.

I saw they have a National's Team evaluation this weekend, are there benefits to joining them vs a normal club Team? Or just more exposure for your kids if his team isn't one of the top club teams?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I believe it was the Nationals, as Gonzo was the coach and he said there were a few kids from API Diamondbacks and other Baltimore area Teams. They were good, we were their only loss, so I think they finished 3rd (they beat Kooper's LC) in the consolation game.

I saw they have a National's Team evaluation this weekend, are there benefits to joining them vs a normal club Team? Or just more exposure for your kids if his team isn't one of the top club teams?


Exposure? he kids are 12-13 for cripes sake!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I believe it was the Nationals, as Gonzo was the coach and he said there were a few kids from API Diamondbacks and other Baltimore area Teams. They were good, we were their only loss, so I think they finished 3rd (they beat Kooper's LC) in the consolation game.

I saw they have a National's Team evaluation this weekend, are there benefits to joining them vs a normal club Team? Or just more exposure for your kids if his team isn't one of the top club teams?


Exposure? he kids are 12-13 for cripes sake!!


It's great if your kid wants more lacrosse and you have lots of time and money and don't mind traveling a ton.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Couldn't agree more. Thanks for your viewpoint.

HHH IS A MONEY GRAB...
Nxt tourney this weekend. Who's in it?
Why do you say that?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I believe it was the Nationals, as Gonzo was the coach and he said there were a few kids from API Diamondbacks and other Baltimore area Teams. They were good, we were their only loss, so I think they finished 3rd (they beat Kooper's LC) in the consolation game.

I saw they have a National's Team evaluation this weekend, are there benefits to joining them vs a normal club Team? Or just more exposure for your kids if his team isn't one of the top club teams?


Exposure? he kids are 12-13 for cripes sake!!



It's great if your kid wants more lacrosse and you have lots of time and money and don't mind traveling a ton.


My son plays for Duke's Nationals. It is more travel but my son is all over me to get out to everyone of their mini camps.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
HHH IS A MONEY GRAB...


I guess your kid got cut.

HHH = 50+ committed kids to D1 schools. They must be doing something right
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
HHH IS A MONEY GRAB...


I guess your kid got cut.

HHH = 50+ committed kids to D1 schools. They must be doing something right
cmon, when you attract D1 talent and the best kids in Philly you can't act like they are responsible for all that.
Do they really have 50 of there kids committed? I see other teams posting about kids committing and than you find out said kid guest played one tournament for them.
HHH Facts= 2017's 15+ commits, 2018's 15+ commits, 2019's 10+ commits

No club in the area comes close to those stats

Definitely worth the $$$
Just looked at there site and again amazing how many teams take credit for the same kids. Not bashing any of them but how are say Dukes and HHH both listing Moore as a recruit?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just looked at there site and again amazing how many teams take credit for the same kids. Not bashing any of them but how are say Dukes and HHH both listing Moore as a recruit?


No different than 3D taking credit for a kid that just plays in one of their events.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
HHH Facts= 2017's 15+ commits, 2018's 15+ commits, 2019's 10+ commits

No club in the area comes close to those stats

Definitely worth the $$$
oh yeah why did their top kids leave? the committed kids don't even play anymore
Nobody is disputing the fact they were once excellent.

HHH Facts= They have not one a single tournament at 2020, 2021, 2022, and 2023 since they divorced from Dukes.

In fact if you look at their tourney machine scores they are getting their rear ends handed to them.

If you are going to pay that kind of $$$ the results would eventually show. The fact of the matter is that there are alot more club options than when they used to get all the top notch talent. The best kids are not blindly going to HHH anymore.

There are so many club options in Philly: Mesa, NXT, Team 11, Roughriders, Freedom, Team TEN, Brotherly Love, Bulldogs, Elevated Dukes, LIttle Dukes, Dukes South, Dukes North, Dukes East, Dukes Nationals, Dukes Just Give Us Your Money, ....getting the idea?
Please tell me that wasn't the dukes national team for 2022 yesterday. If it was they have a lot of recruiting to do.
Dukes national 2022 lost to Express 11-6
What tourney did they play
HHH and Mesa still have the best coaching and recruiting network in philly. All others are wannabes.
That is quite the generalization. If HHH and Mesa still have the best coaching and recruiting why do teams like Freedom, Brotherly Love, and Rising Sons consistently prevail against them. At some point all that good coaching would pay some dividends don't you think.

Let's be honest, HHH in particular avoids playing the local club teams. At least Mesa has the balls to go toe to toe with against the local talent. HHH would rather get their [lacrosse] handed to them in Long Island than locally otherwise they would be exposed and the mystique would be gone.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nobody is disputing the fact they were once excellent.

HHH Facts= They have not one a single tournament at 2020, 2021, 2022, and 2023 since they divorced from Dukes.

In fact if you look at their tourney machine scores they are getting their rear ends handed to them.

If you are going to pay that kind of $$$ the results would eventually show. The fact of the matter is that there are alot more club options than when they used to get all the top notch talent. The best kids are not blindly going to HHH anymore.

There are so many club options in Philly: Mesa, NXT, Team 11, Roughriders, Freedom, Team TEN, Brotherly Love, Bulldogs, Elevated Dukes, LIttle Dukes, Dukes South, Dukes North, Dukes East, Dukes Nationals, Dukes Just Give Us Your Money, ....getting the idea?

You realize they aren't afraid of playing outside of Philly, right?
They're getting beat by real teams in real tourneys. Not the local stuff.
Go on the Island and play some real teams. We will check your tourney machine scores too.
Get out of Philly and go play. Or don't and show all the other daddies on Facebook how little johnny and his buddies won Summer Slam.
That is false. NXT to their credit hosts great local tournaments and their participation amongst the top club teams in the country is second to none.

Look at NXT Cup which takes place locally and is a top notch tournament. Team 91, Long Island Express, Crabs, Bethesda, Laxachusetts, Leading Edge, Igloo, All of Canada, and the rest of the East Coast is at this tournament but where is HHH considering it is in their back yard. So you can't use the "lack of competition" excuse.

In fact all the other NLF teams have attended that tournament but no HHH....that is because you guys are hiding.
the only tourneys NXT can win are their own-and they put themselves in the easiest groupings every time! so obvious to everybody. Not fooling even 5th graders.
True. Great tourney. Good teams.
So play that competition for a six week summer schedule.
That's the point.
NXT high school teams are legit. Their youth teams have been average at best but are improving.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
HHH and Mesa still have the best coaching and recruiting network in philly. All others are wannabes.
Not any more. Keep telling yourself that because your kid finally made one of those teams. Its all been changing.
The point is that NXT also has Meltdown which is a few weeks before NXT Cup and takes place in Downingtown, PA and had more Philly and MD based teams than NY.

At the youth level they had:
BBL, Bethesda LC, Looneys, Mesa, Brotherly Love, Blue Star, Team 91 MD, and HardCor from Canada.

Definitely a notch below NXT Cup; however, do any of the HHH teams beat any of the teams listed above and all of them are good to very good.

Six weeks of getting your [lacrosse] handed to you in June and July traveling to LI while their friends are at the beach....that is why your tryouts were so lightly attended.

Again, All the respect for what HHH once was and in my opinion the best middle school teams in the country but it is different now and if they are to regain their status as best club team in Philly it starts with beating the best teams in Philly.

Guess your little snowflake didn't make either team. Since its changing so much, who's the best in your humble opinion?
Weighing in on this one.

We have quite a few snowflakes around our neighborhood that made both HHH and Mesa at various times and both those teams are chasing Freedom, Roughriders, and Brotherly Love.....Been discussed before ad nauseam but it seems to me the "dad" based model despite pros and cons is prevailing in Philly until High School then it shifts.

Sounds like HHH is being called out to me.....
The To Philly Teams

2025 Freedom
2024 Brotherly Love
2023 Brotherly Love
2022 Freedom
2021 Mesa
It is awesome that your team can win the Blue Hen classic and the Melt Down. It is really impressive. Those tournies always bring in the best competition. The Patriot games still has some slots open, should try to get in that one.

The comment " six weeks of getting your [lacrosse] handed to you while your friends are at the beach" says a lot about the person who posted.
So much better to play teams that suck so that you can post
how great your team is on your website.



Originally Posted by Anonymous
The point is that NXT also has Meltdown which is a few weeks before NXT Cup and takes place in Downingtown, PA and had more Philly and MD based teams than NY.

At the youth level they had:
BBL, Bethesda LC, Looneys, Mesa, Brotherly Love, Blue Star, Team 91 MD, and HardCor from Canada.

Definitely a notch below NXT Cup; however, do any of the HHH teams beat any of the teams listed above and all of them are good to very good.

Six weeks of getting your [lacrosse] handed to you in June and July traveling to LI while their friends are at the beach....that is why your tryouts were so lightly attended.

Again, All the respect for what HHH once was and in my opinion the best middle school teams in the country but it is different now and if they are to regain their status as best club team in Philly it starts with beating the best teams in Philly.

Just looked at Meltdown teams from 2016 and they are nowhere near the talent level of HHH. Please-don't even begin to compare those teams to any of the HHH teams.
Our teams won 3/4 at Blue Hen 2016 and you know what you can only beat the teams that are there. Decent competition and 3/4 aint bad. What has HHH done you still haven't answered the original question.
Blue Hen, please. Who did you beat, Lax World? Prime Time? Give me a break.
That is the point nobody can tell what the talent level of HHH is anymore because they go out of their way to not play the local teams. We can only beat the teams that go to the tournament however we also play the national teams as well.

But lets take a look at your NLF Summer Series from last year.

HHH Results
2024 Didn't even field a team

2023 Loss to 91 Bandits 18-1
Loss to 91 Warriors (there B Team) 12-5
Loss to Laxachusetts Green (there B Team) 9-8
Finally beat Team Superstar 14-4 but they are neither super nor stars

2022 Beat Leading Edge Elite 6-4 that team isn't good and you know it
Loss to LIE 10-5
Tie Express 8-8 Bad Long Island Team
Loss to 91 Smash 9-2
Loss to Superstar 9-2

2021 Loss to Eclipse 8-7 You think that Eclipse is good?
Finally spank someone Long Island Outlaws 9-1 U think they are good?
Loss to Laxachusetts A Team 12-2
Beat them in Losers Bracket 7-6 that is actually impressive good going

2020 Seams to be a good team went 3-1

2019 You came in last and didn't win a single game won't post the scores.

Again, once great but the original post was $$$ money grab...change the club name to Little 4 and one "H"



Agreed HHH is fading, its like all these Penn State people trying to believe that Penn State football is still relevant

Everyone is impressed that the Rising Sons beat : LI Bluefish,Dirty Jerseys,Team United, Team 201 and the predators.
That is awesome.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Our teams won 3/4 at Blue Hen 2016 and you know what you can only beat the teams that are there. Decent competition and 3/4 aint bad. What has HHH done you still haven't answered the original question.
HHH is LOSING to other NLF B teams.

Rule Number 127:

If your Varsity Team cannot beat Junior Varsity Teams then you are not
Allowed to brag about your recruiting connections and superior coaching. In fact
You should say nothing because that says it all
This is actually funny, Sons will be back at the top again at their 3 age groups. Dirty Jerseys, hahahaha
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Everyone is impressed that the Rising Sons beat : LI Bluefish,Dirty Jerseys,Team United, Team 201 and the predators.
That is awesome.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Our teams won 3/4 at Blue Hen 2016 and you know what you can only beat the teams that are there. Decent competition and 3/4 aint bad. What has HHH done you still haven't answered the original question.
When is the RS twitter feed going to shut down for good?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When is the RS twitter feed going to shut down for good?
Just unfollow, I know its hard to but try.
That is laughable and what's more funny is the poor poor parents who don't know it's all done after this year! The 22 and 23 coaches have agreed to try and hold on but TD is out! How can their 21 team be the best when Mesa is clearly the best followed by HHH and Freedom? And their 22 and 23 teams don't have a shot against Freedom and Brotherly Love.....PROPAGANDA MACHINE!




Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is actually funny, Sons will be back at the top again at their 3 age groups. Dirty Jerseys, hahahaha
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Everyone is impressed that the Rising Sons beat : LI Bluefish,Dirty Jerseys,Team United, Team 201 and the predators.
That is awesome.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Our teams won 3/4 at Blue Hen 2016 and you know what you can only beat the teams that are there. Decent competition and 3/4 aint bad. What has HHH done you still haven't answered the original question.
Who says he's out? We see him at every practice coaching the 2021's and working with our 2022's.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That is laughable and what's more funny is the poor poor parents who don't know it's all done after this year! The 22 and 23 coaches have agreed to try and hold on but TD is out! How can their 21 team be the best when Mesa is clearly the best followed by HHH and Freedom? And their 22 and 23 teams don't have a shot against Freedom and Brotherly Love.....PROPAGANDA MACHINE!




Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is actually funny, Sons will be back at the top again at their 3 age groups. Dirty Jerseys, hahahaha
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Everyone is impressed that the Rising Sons beat : LI Bluefish,Dirty Jerseys,Team United, Team 201 and the predators.
That is awesome.


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Our teams won 3/4 at Blue Hen 2016 and you know what you can only beat the teams that are there. Decent competition and 3/4 aint bad. What has HHH done you still haven't answered the original question.
He's a lunatic.
Sons will be the second to third best Philly 2022 team for 2017.
They're pretty solid.
Best FO in Philly.
Top 2 goalie in Philly.
A solid group of Poles.
Middies and Attack are solid, not spectacular.
Like it or not, Sons are strong at this level.
Not saying they're gonna win the Philly Daddy Ball Championships but they should be more competitive than they've been in the past.
2022 Rankings, IMO:
Freedom
Sons
Rough Riders
HHH
Mesa
How's HHH at 2022?
Funny thing about Daddy Ball is that it really comes down to favoritism and bias. The worse case scenario is the Daddy that puts Johnny at attack when everyone on the sidelines knows that Johnny doesn't has the skill set to play the position. However there are plenty of sons in Philly whose sons are just lights out as well.

The bias and favoritism doesn't stop there though. My kid plays for a very good club in Phllly with a long history of success; however, there is a ton of bias and favoritism and there are no Daddys coaching the team. The whole offense is focused on two kids and that is it. All the other players are filling out the required 10 players to play the game. While my kid isn't the best player on the team he obviously made the team and is certainly skilled enough to contribute. The irony of this kind of bias is that kids grow and develop at such different rates.

Whether it is daddy ball or coaching favoritism there will always be bias
Guessing not that great. They were sharing a couple of Freedom boys that were doing both and the majority of them went back to Freedom and are not doing HHH this year. I think one player continues to do both.
I wouldn't discount Brotherly Love at 2022. My daughter plays on their girls team and I have watched their practices. They made some major changes and the practices are excellent. Say what you will and I know there was alot of chatter awhile ago about Frank doing it fo the money

Frank Urso is the Head Coach and not only has he been at every practice he is staying after and working with individual kids. He has brought in 5-6 of his high school boys to help, his defensive coordinator, his goalie coach, and they have a good core. They seem to be sharing some players with other clubs but the kids have been committed. Two boys from Dukes National team left and are playing for Frank including a stud goalie and middie, the best pole in Philly if not the country, stud attackman. They will need time but the core is there.
Having HS or College kids help out is the absolute worst thing that can happen to a program.
Many on here who've been through this know what I'm sayin'.
If you want professional coaches, they need to be paid, like a professional.
*most* Daddies and zero HS kids can not teach the game or coach a kid like a pro.
Sideline observer: the two best goalies are at Freedom and Sons. Bar none. HHH has a pair of good ones too.
BL rules the 23s, not even in the discussion w the 22s...
As far as the guy doing it for the money, who cares. If he wants to make a buck, let him. Nobody forces anyone into these programs.
I'd really like to see some age based restrictions out there.
My 13 year old 8th grader has quite a few 15 year olds on his team. Almost all are at least 14.
Just doesn't seem right or fair.
Guess I'll just reclass him, right?
The "guy doing it for the money"
Might want to google Frank Urso
Too funny
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I wouldn't discount Brotherly Love at 2022. My daughter plays on their girls team and I have watched their practices. They made some major changes and the practices are excellent. Say what you will and I know there was alot of chatter awhile ago about Frank doing it fo the money

Frank Urso is the Head Coach and not only has he been at every practice he is staying after and working with individual kids. He has brought in 5-6 of his high school boys to help, his defensive coordinator, his goalie coach, and they have a good core. They seem to be sharing some players with other clubs but the kids have been committed. Two boys from Dukes National team left and are playing for Frank including a stud goalie and middie, the best pole in Philly if not the country, stud attackman. They will need time but the core is there.
Have you seen the Sons 2022 poles? I'd be hard pressed to think anyone has a defense like theirs.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'd really like to see some age based restrictions out there.
My 13 year old 8th grader has quite a few 15 year olds on his team. Almost all are at least 14.
Just doesn't seem right or fair.
Guess I'll just reclass him, right?


A 15 year old in 8th grade is not right for anyone especially the young man whose academic progress has been stunted by a lacrosse crazed decision. What team are you talking about?
Anyone know who the "Chiefs" are?
They're listed as participants in the NXT Spring League for 2022AA.
I know Sons used to enter their teams in tourneys as "Chiefs" if they had to do a composite team of some sort.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I wouldn't discount Brotherly Love at 2022. My daughter plays on their girls team and I have watched their practices. They made some major changes and the practices are excellent. Say what you will and I know there was alot of chatter awhile ago about Frank doing it fo the money

Frank Urso is the Head Coach and not only has he been at every practice he is staying after and working with individual kids. He has brought in 5-6 of his high school boys to help, his defensive coordinator, his goalie coach, and they have a good core. They seem to be sharing some players with other clubs but the kids have been committed. Two boys from Dukes National team left and are playing for Frank including a stud goalie and middie, the best pole in Philly if not the country, stud attackman. They will need time but the core is there.
Have you seen the Sons 2022 poles? I'd be hard pressed to think anyone has a defense like theirs.


We put 12 goals on that D last year won 12-2 in a tournament. May be good D in Philly in Maryland different story.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I wouldn't discount Brotherly Love at 2022. My daughter plays on their girls team and I have watched their practices. They made some major changes and the practices are excellent. Say what you will and I know there was alot of chatter awhile ago about Frank doing it fo the money

Frank Urso is the Head Coach and not only has he been at every practice he is staying after and working with individual kids. He has brought in 5-6 of his high school boys to help, his defensive coordinator, his goalie coach, and they have a good core. They seem to be sharing some players with other clubs but the kids have been committed. Two boys from Dukes National team left and are playing for Frank including a stud goalie and middie, the best pole in Philly if not the country, stud attackman. They will need time but the core is there.
Have you seen the Sons 2022 poles? I'd be hard pressed to think anyone has a defense like theirs.


We put 12 goals on that D last year won 12-2 in a tournament. May be good D in Philly in Maryland different story.
Big upgrades
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I wouldn't discount Brotherly Love at 2022. My daughter plays on their girls team and I have watched their practices. They made some major changes and the practices are excellent. Say what you will and I know there was alot of chatter awhile ago about Frank doing it fo the money

Frank Urso is the Head Coach and not only has he been at every practice he is staying after and working with individual kids. He has brought in 5-6 of his high school boys to help, his defensive coordinator, his goalie coach, and they have a good core. They seem to be sharing some players with other clubs but the kids have been committed. Two boys from Dukes National team left and are playing for Frank including a stud goalie and middie, the best pole in Philly if not the country, stud attackman. They will need time but the core is there.
Have you seen the Sons 2022 poles? I'd be hard pressed to think anyone has a defense like theirs.


We put 12 goals on that D last year won 12-2 in a tournament. May be good D in Philly in Maryland different story.

You mean in MD where the 2022s are all 14-15 year olds?
We are aware, broski.
I'd take any Philly age based team and know they'd give most teams a great game. Once we go to grade based, well, ya know, our boys can't hang w your men.
Just think, next year they can drive themselves to practice. As 8th graders. That must be nice.
Please....Philly teams have just as many holdbacks. Sons are full of holdbacks.
The only good 2023 in Maryland right now is Crabs, The rest not so much not sure what happened but considering the area I would have expected better
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please....Philly teams have just as many holdbacks. Sons are full of holdbacks.

Not only does MD hold them back, they reclass them too.
Seriously.
I've never seen a team from MD NOT a complete head taller across the board.
It's pretty bad MD daddy.
You know it.
Nothing can be done except to bash it on an anon message board to make you feel insecure about little johnny and how bad he'd be if he was playing a year up, where he would be if he were in Philly...
Can't believe im gonna do this but in the interest of defending PA lacrosse I have to defend the Sons. PA doesn't do holdbacks like MD and LI do. Yes there may be two on the Sons 21 team and I think another for HHH but that is it. Mesa & Freedom have none and either does RoughRiders. Dukes has 2 I think. This is nothing compared to Crabs!

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please....Philly teams have just as many holdbacks. Sons are full of holdbacks.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can't believe im gonna do this but in the interest of defending PA lacrosse I have to defend the Sons. PA doesn't do holdbacks like MD and LI do. Yes there may be two on the Sons 21 team and I think another for HHH but that is it. Mesa & Freedom have none and either does RoughRiders. Dukes has 2 I think. This is nothing compared to Crabs!

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please....Philly teams have just as many holdbacks. Sons are full of holdbacks.
Who are the best programs for development of a player?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who are the best programs for development of a player?

The teams that carry multiple teams for grade do not anything for the "B" team players (Freedom White, Mesa Blue, Roughrider Select).
I think the year round programs are the best for development. Most of the improvement is realized through clinics and practices. Games not so much. There is nothing wrong with your kid playing on the B Team. Some of the best players out there both boys and girls started on B Teams.
I am a big believer in, look at what makes the kid good. Is he just simply bigger than everyone else and running over people. Are his stick skills better because he had a stick stuck in his hand at 2. Is there a foundation for sustainable success?

In middle school, can't tell you how many kids that were studs at 4,5,6 grade have now been surpassed. To me the things you look for are age agppropriate quickness and speed, IQ, vision, hustle/heart. All of those things can be developed on B Teams.

It really only makes a difference around 9th grade as not too many college coaches are going to be on the sideline watching a B game. Look at Rutgers and all the skill guys they have, most of them were off the radar guys and under recruited. Rob Pannell, Dylan Molloy, and the list goes on of kids that hit their stride Freshman year of college but developed out of the spotlight. How many really highly touted kids really delivered when they got to college.

Personally I think Matt Rambo has underdelivered in college considering his pedigree and look at the kid that was ranked #1 in his class, Jordan Evans that went to Syracuse and donned #22 to cite him as a disappointment is an understatement.

Keep on "developing" with reps from QUALITY coaches and see where that takes you.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think the year round programs are the best for development. Most of the improvement is realized through clinics and practices. Games not so much. There is nothing wrong with your kid playing on the B Team. Some of the best players out there both boys and girls started on B Teams.
I am a big believer in, look at what makes the kid good. Is he just simply bigger than everyone else and running over people. Are his stick skills better because he had a stick stuck in his hand at 2. Is there a foundation for sustainable success?

In middle school, can't tell you how many kids that were studs at 4,5,6 grade have now been surpassed. To me the things you look for are age agppropriate quickness and speed, IQ, vision, hustle/heart. All of those things can be developed on B Teams.

It really only makes a difference around 9th grade as not too many college coaches are going to be on the sideline watching a B game. Look at Rutgers and all the skill guys they have, most of them were off the radar guys and under recruited. Rob Pannell, Dylan Molloy, and the list goes on of kids that hit their stride Freshman year of college but developed out of the spotlight. How many really highly touted kids really delivered when they got to college.

Personally I think Matt Rambo has underdelivered in college considering his pedigree and look at the kid that was ranked #1 in his class, Jordan Evans that went to Syracuse and donned #22 to cite him as a disappointment is an understatement.

Keep on "developing" with reps from QUALITY coaches and see where that takes you.
Great post, and keep in mind that quality of the instruction. Is there feedback? My biggest chagrin is watching kids do things wrong with out correction. I would say most coaches i've watched over the years have set up great drills and have gotten kids a ton of reps but haven't stopped to correct the little things. Therefore coaches holding kids accountable about all the little things is what I would look out for. You can shoot a ball 1000 times, and if your doing it wrong you can get REALLY GOOD and shooting REALLY BAD.
I will reclass my snowflake after 8th grade.
Why?
Going from public to private school: adjusting to the academic workload.
Age: he's a July birthday which makes him the youngest in his class or on his team. I've talked to many educators and they all say the same thing: it can't hurt but only helps them academically.
Sports: yep, I'll say it, little Johnny is ok now as a young 22. He should be even better as a 23, where he should be. Size matters in this sport.
His desire: he want to do this and I feel keeping him in school an extra year before HS isn't a bad thing. I know I could've used an extra year to mature.
Why am I posting this here? Because I love this site and this is where we should all come for life advice.
Great post. Love the honesty. We did it for same exact reasons... best thing we ever did. He is also a July bday. Played up (U13 at 11, U15 as a 12 yr old etc) until it came time to get in front of recruiters. He is committed at a top D1 school and is on a mission to add speed and size and play a few other sports. In addition, he is joining other academic clubs etc.. and on top of it all he will graduate at 18 yrs vs 17yrs. Certainly ok with that.
I never considred doing this but you both make good points. I can tell you that I reflect on my life and there is little doubt that more maturity that only comes with age and life experiences would have done me good. The extra year would have helped academically, athletically, and perspetive. How many of us really knew what we wanted to do straight out of high school. I for one think a year off before going to college is a good idea as long as it doesn't turn into 5 years. Postgrad year? Also a good idea, a couple of top end recruits are doing that right now. Bubba the #1 ranked recruit in the country that just bumped Matt Moore is reclassing righ now with a PG year. Manown going to Duke is doing a PG year as well.
Should we start college when we are 18 or does 20 perhaps offer a better foundation. Are they cheating, no? Boys mature and develop more slowly and if it allows you to do better in the classroom and field while ultimately preparing you for the game of life....
Yes!!! Spot on.. my first year of college I had a 2.0 and spent the next 3 years clawing out a hole left by one immature mistake after another. PG also good option for some boys...
Philly Freedom Play Day this Sunday!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Philly Freedom Play Day this Sunday!
Predictions?
2021 Sons
2022 Freedom
2023 Brotherly Love
2024 Brotherly Love
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2021 Sons
2022 Freedom
2023 Brotherly Love
2024 Brotherly Love

2022 Sons will surprise some people...
Really - we are predicting outcomes of a fall play day. People need to get out of their parent's basement...
Got my own entertainment center, homecooked meals, laundry service and best of all free rent....why should I ever leave.
You see this is the problem with this. Fall lacrosse is not about wins and losses at all. Its not that way at any level, even college. These are opportunities to see where new players fit and try new things. If we start declaring people "champions" of fall play days we shortchange everything.
Stupid Rising Sons parent obvi! And I think he replied to his own post!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You see this is the problem with this. Fall lacrosse is not about wins and losses at all. Its not that way at any level, even college. These are opportunities to see where new players fit and try new things. If we start declaring people "champions" of fall play days we shortchange everything.
Stupid Rising Sons parent obvi! And I think he replied to his own post!!
pretty sure there are no champions in any events this fall
Agreed most do not have a championship and are simple 3 and done or 4 and done. Fall ball is off season evaluation and tinkering time not win the t-shirt time.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only good 2023 in Maryland right now is Crabs, The rest not so much not sure what happened but considering the area I would have expected better


BLC 2023 and Hawks 2023 teams are both very good .
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2021 Sons
2022 Freedom
2023 Brotherly Love
2024 Brotherly Love


Not a great day for lacrosse today, how did it end up?
My Job may be moving me to PA (Blue Bell Area). I have an 8th grader that struggles today with academics (He a bit immature for his age) but a great player. Thinking about having him repeat 8th again next year in conjunction with this move. He is 10/2003 Birthday. I don't know much about the teams on that area. Can someone please point me in the right direction. Looking for a good program...also a no "crazy parents" team.

We get enough of that on Long Island.

Thanks.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My Job may be moving me to PA (Blue Bell Area). I have an 8th grader that struggles today with academics (He a bit immature for his age) but a great player. Thinking about having him repeat 8th again next year in conjunction with this move. He is 10/2003 Birthday. I don't know much about the teams on that area. Can someone please point me in the right direction. Looking for a good program...also a no "crazy parents" team.

We get enough of that on Long Island.

Thanks.


What school district are you moving into? Are you planning on staying public or going private. There are top notch schools either way.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2021 Sons
2022 Freedom
2023 Brotherly Love
2024 Brotherly Love

2022 Sons will surprise some people...


I sure was "surprised"
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2021 Sons
2022 Freedom
2023 Brotherly Love
2024 Brotherly Love

2022 Sons will surprise some people...


I sure was "surprised"


Looks like Sons didn't have such a great day.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2021 Sons
2022 Freedom
2023 Brotherly Love
2024 Brotherly Love

2022 Sons will surprise some people...


I sure was "surprised"


Looks like Sons didn't have such a great day.
Freedom 2022 is a very good team. Very very good at midfield and defense. And well coached.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2021 Sons
2022 Freedom
2023 Brotherly Love
2024 Brotherly Love

2022 Sons will surprise some people...


I sure was "surprised"


Looks like Sons didn't have such a great day.
Really? They went 2-1
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2021 Sons
2022 Freedom
2023 Brotherly Love
2024 Brotherly Love

2022 Sons will surprise some people...


I sure was "surprised"


Looks like Sons didn't have such a great day.
Really? They went 2-1


They claim they are the best around, so, going 2-1 Isn't that great
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2021 Sons
2022 Freedom
2023 Brotherly Love
2024 Brotherly Love

2022 Sons will surprise some people...


I sure was "surprised"


Looks like Sons didn't have such a great day.
Really? They went 2-1


They claim they are the best around, so, going 2-1 Isn't that great
Yeah ok. Not one person from that organization that thought that. You must be a Hillary supporter.
They aren't in the same class as Freedom.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They aren't in the same class as Freedom.
agreed Freedom 2022 is really really good. Add a few attack and face off and they compete with anyone.
Incorrect on the "not one person" comment! The RS 22 and 21 parents were told we were the best teams in PA and would compete with Freedom 22 and Mesa 21. 22s aren't even close and 21s are just ok, lost to Freedom 21 by 1 but was down by 3. Supposedly we returned their best attack man from the "great team" 2 years ago and his parents are already regretting it. Can't wait for NXT next year.
Rankings were 75% correct, except Freedom won the 21 division. So:
2021 Freedom
2022 Freedom
2023 BL
2024 BL



2021 Sons
2022 Freedom
2023 Brotherly Love
2024 Brotherly Love[/quote]
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Incorrect on the "not one person" comment! The RS 22 and 21 parents were told we were the best teams in PA and would compete with Freedom 22 and Mesa 21. 22s aren't even close and 21s are just ok, lost to Freedom 21 by 1 but was down by 3. Supposedly we returned their best attack man from the "great team" 2 years ago and his parents are already regretting it. Can't wait for NXT next year.


anyone that knows "king son" knows he always thinks his teams are the best out there. Even though they lose all of the time.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]2021 Sons
2022 Freedom
2023 Brotherly Love
2024 Brotherly Love

2022 Sons will surprise some people...


Looks like Sons didn't have such a great day.
Really? They went 2-1


They claim they are the best around, so, going 2-1 Isn't that great
Yeah ok. Not one person from that organization that thought that. You must be a Hillary supporter.


what does being a "Hillary supporter" have to do with anything? I don't understand your logic
Keep hearing how great NXT 2020 is-why not at the NLF this weekend with the big boys??
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Keep hearing how great NXT 2020 is-why not at the NLF this weekend with the big boys??

no one is talking about how great they are except them...
very typical of some of the daddies on that team
NXT 2020 is at Quaker this Sunday playing against the best teams. How about talking snack AFTER this weekend?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Keep hearing how great NXT 2020 is-why not at the NLF this weekend with the big boys??
One no you haven't heard that because no-one from that team has made that claim. Two, Billy and his HHH brand wouldn't let them in. Three they don't have to go there will be just as many coaches at Quakerfest watching them play Sweetlax NY and Sweetlax FL. The team is the first year its been together but they do have talent. 5 who cares, worry about your own teams.
And also, NXT has the most committed 2020's in philly
They blast it all over social media. They can't help it. Also, stop blaming everything on HHH-the tournaments your in are weak. No way will there be more coaches at quakerfest than NLF tourney at Boys Latin. That tourney is stacked.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They blast it all over social media. They can't help it. Also, stop blaming everything on HHH-the tournaments your in are weak. No way will there be more coaches at quakerfest than NLF tourney at Boys Latin. That tourney is stacked.


One major drawback of playing for NXT is that their teams are locked into playing in their own tournaments. So those teams won't play at the quality tournaments. For example, when the Crabfest is going on, the NXT teams will be playing in their MVP rising events (I think that is the one that runs the same weekend). They will never be part of the NLF, and maybe they don't care about that, but you have to admit the competition there is decent
Many of them but not all. There were a bunch of big 10/acc/ivy coaches at MVP Rising. I would agree they should do 2 of their own in summer and 2-3 outside. Doesn't seem like they have had a hard time getting kids recruited though. Their Fall event is the top event in the country. I guarantee coaches are lined up to watch them play Sweetlax Saturday and Sunday
Discussing wins and losses or the "number of coaches present" to see a young 9th grader play reinforces to me how flawed the process has become.
I guess the current practice is to "display" the boy in front of as many suitors as you can to see if one bites. And then we wonder why so many early rectruits are now decommitting and changing later in high school.
If the kid is good he will be found. Research the schools that will be a right fit for him, make those coaches aware of the interest, and if he is worthy, they will see him no matter what team or tourney he plays in.
NXT, HHH, Mesa, Dukes, Freedom, etc you name it....they are all placing kids in NCAA schools
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They blast it all over social media. They can't help it. Also, stop blaming everything on HHH-the tournaments your in are weak. No way will there be more coaches at quakerfest than NLF tourney at Boys Latin. That tourney is stacked.
Of course there will be coaches at the NLF event. They will be at both. Most staffs go to separate events. Now if you remember last Summer while the NLF event was going on up on Long Island, the Head Coaches of the top schools were down on the sidelines at the Summer Philly Invite. The 2020 class is very strong in talent, every D1 college will have coaches at both events.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And also, NXT has the most committed 2020's in philly

This is incorrect, Freedom and NXT have the same amount AND NXT's 2020 commits were all Rising Sons kids so NXT had no part of their commitments.
Anyone watch the NXT Harvest games? Dukes Young Guns seems like a mess! Coaches screaming while having a mouthful of Skoal and spitting on the sidelines! Only made me realize I made the right call not sending my son there. They lost to Freedom and got killed by 91, their coaches were screaming at every referee and then sent 6 A players to play in the B division. Does Duke Young Guns have any affiliation to the high school Dukes or is it like the Dukes Lite teams that folded?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
And also, NXT has the most committed 2020's in philly

This is incorrect, Freedom and NXT have the same amount AND NXT's 2020 commits were all Rising Sons kids so NXT had no part of their commitments.
Freedom has 2, NXT 3
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And also, NXT has the most committed 2020's in philly

This is incorrect, Freedom and NXT have the same amount AND NXT's 2020 commits were all Rising Sons kids so NXT had no part of their commitments.
Freedom has 2, NXT 3

I'm pretty sure Freedom has 3 too. Doesn't really matter but it is kinda crazy that Freedom and NXT have multiple commits at 2020 but Dukes, Mesa, HHH don't have 1. The balance of power is swinging away.
The Dukes teams definitely had individual talent. Top notch clubs that play together year round usually beat them. Interesting concept, don't know how I feel about it. Playing with an all start team in a regular tournament. I know that Madlax has a National team and 91 has moved in that direction as well with their different franchises. Seems a bit unfair to enter in a regular tournament but people not making a big deal I think because they aren't dominating.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Dukes teams definitely had individual talent. Top notch clubs that play together year round usually beat them. Interesting concept, don't know how I feel about it. Playing with an all start team in a regular tournament. I know that Madlax has a National team and 91 has moved in that direction as well with their different franchises. Seems a bit unfair to enter in a regular tournament but people not making a big deal I think because they aren't dominating.


There is not a national team at the 8th grade level. Not sure about seventh grade.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Dukes teams definitely had individual talent. Top notch clubs that play together year round usually beat them. Interesting concept, don't know how I feel about it. Playing with an all start team in a regular tournament. I know that Madlax has a National team and 91 has moved in that direction as well with their different franchises. Seems a bit unfair to enter in a regular tournament but people not making a big deal I think because they aren't dominating.
Dukes is a pyramid scheme. Really?? Let me give you another 300.00 and then nickle and dime for camps and then nickle and dime to play in tournaments... And oh buy the way your kid may never play....They are marketing this to parents that are already paying 2k a year to play on their existing club..Give me a break...money grab
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous] Dukes is a pyramid scheme. Really?? Let me give you another 300.00 and then nickle and dime for camps and then nickle and dime to play in tournaments... And oh buy the way your kid may never play....They are marketing this to parents that are already paying 2k a year to play on their existing club..Give me a break...money grab


More of a money grab than clubs charging $2500 before showcase events? Are any of these programs benevolent?
What's up with B'more not posting the scores on tourney machine and just the game schedules. Some of your blind ask not to post the scores so people can't call out other teams for being a money grab and paying top dollar to play on a mediocre team? Gimme a break what's next every gets a turn to shoot on goal until every player gets a goal. My son plays in a baseball league like that. Three strikes? Of course not you get to swing until Johnie gets a hit. Even if it is a playday....Man Up ....bunch of pansies
Um let's not keep score ...you guys don't mind do you...just keep it a friendly ...and if we do keep score do you mind not posting it because people in Philly are saying we aren't a good club because we get smoked by the good teams in LI and ....and if you don't publish score I can still look like we are a premier team
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What's up with B'more not posting the scores on tourney machine and just the game schedules. Some of your blind ask not to post the scores so people can't call out other teams for being a money grab and paying top dollar to play on a mediocre team? Gimme a break what's next every gets a turn to shoot on goal until every player gets a goal. My son plays in a baseball league like that. Three strikes? Of course not you get to swing until Johnie gets a hit. Even if it is a playday....Man Up ....bunch of pansies


Total BS. Just like the NCAA fall ball games not keeping score.
I would agree with the first guy. Don't play that card. Look at NXT and their Harvest Tournament. That was a playday and all the scores are listed. Look at all of the Long Island Tournaments they keep score. Hogan's Lax Fall Touranment that was also a playday without championship posted all the scores. There is nothing wrong with losing just learn from it and get better.
Tournaments that post scores are probably republicans..,and the tournaments that don't post scores are liberal democrats
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I would agree with the first guy. Don't play that card. Look at NXT and their Harvest Tournament. That was a playday and all the scores are listed. Look at all of the Long Island Tournaments they keep score. Hogan's Lax Fall Touranment that was also a playday without championship posted all the scores. There is nothing wrong with losing just learn from it and get better.


I get the interest in scores. I check them to. But you guys are reading much more into this. Assuming you are referring to the tournaments at McDonogh the past 2 Sundays - scores were kept. At least in the 10/30 play day they had scorers table with visible scores. Wasn't there last sunday but I'm sure it was the same. It was last year. Not posting the scores was probably the decision of the tourney organizer not believing it is important that he update the world on youth lacrosse scores. None of the coaches would have cared if he did.
I look at those scores all the time before, during, and after the tourney. It is odd to not use such an easy web based tool that was so good that Sports Illustrated bought them. The beauty of the scores is that it allows me to assess who we are playing and get a sense of are they good, are they not good, how do they stack up with other teams, how did they fare against common opponents. I then use that information to try to optimize playing time and strategically rest players, which over a three-four game day really can be critical. I use it to try and plan when I can get bench players quality minutes. Very good tool to help in tourament planning.

Don't know what could be the reason but I do agree that it is odd to not post them. I see parents and coaches all day long looking at the scores and schedules.
[quote=Anonymous]That is the point nobody can tell what the talent level of HHH is anymore because they go out of their way to not play the local teams. We can only beat the teams that go to the tournament however we also play the national teams as well.

But lets take a look at your NLF Summer Series from last year.

HHH Results
2024 Didn't even field a team

2023 Loss to 91 Bandits 18-1
Loss to 91 Warriors (there B Team) 12-5
Loss to Laxachusetts Green (there B Team) 9-8
Finally beat Team Superstar 14-4 but they are neither super nor stars

2022 Beat Leading Edge Elite 6-4 that team isn't good and you know it
Loss to LIE 10-5
Tie Express 8-8 Bad Long Island Team
Loss to 91 Smash 9-2
Loss to Superstar 9-2

2021 Loss to Eclipse 8-7 You think that Eclipse is good?
Finally spank someone Long Island Outlaws 9-1 U think they are good?
Loss to Laxachusetts A Team 12-2
Beat them in Losers Bracket 7-6 that is actually impressive good going

2020 Seams to be a good team went 3-1

2019 You came in last and didn't win a single game won't post the scores.

Again, once great but the original post was $$$ money grab...change the club name to Little 4 and one "H"

I think wear there is smoke there is fire. I beieve this is the post that is being brought up because they used tourney machine scores to make their point. Since Triple H was at this tournament at mcdonugh that also posting no scores, maybet ther is somethig there.
Why do people keep calling out "national" teams? They are essentially pointless and are 1 more way for a club to make money. They play in the same tournaments as all the other teams, are coached by the same people, and get the same exposure so why bother?? Dukes has 1 "national" team and they play at the 22 level. Their 8th grade team is not a national team, they are Dukes Young Guns and are not very strong.
They also have a Dukes National 2023 Team we played them at NXT Harvest and beat them 8-7 and I believe Brotherly Love beat them 5-0.
I agree with you not sure what the point is playing for a National Team unless you play other all star teams like Team Texas or Team California for example. If your National team can't beat a good local team might need to rethink the model. Give me a break they didn't score a goal against Brotherly Love, yeah they are an excellent team but not a single goal? This isn't soccer. Take the National out of the name and call it Dukes Supplemental. Its solely for the money.
Any results from Todays Big4 event at The Hill?
But there is no "Team Texas" or "Team California", national teams make zero sense.
There will always be people willing to pay to play so they can say that Johnny is playing for a National Team...you know the type ...we all have acquaintances like that
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[quote=Anonymous]That is the point nobody can tell what the talent level of HHH is anymore because they go out of their way to not play the local teams. We can only beat the teams that go to the tournament however we also play the national teams as well.

But lets take a look at your NLF Summer Series from last year.

HHH Results
2024 Didn't even field a team

2023 Loss to 91 Bandits 18-1
Loss to 91 Warriors (there B Team) 12-5
Loss to Laxachusetts Green (there B Team) 9-8
Finally beat Team Superstar 14-4 but they are neither super nor stars

2022 Beat Leading Edge Elite 6-4 that team isn't good and you know it
Loss to LIE 10-5
Tie Express 8-8 Bad Long Island Team
Loss to 91 Smash 9-2
Loss to Superstar 9-2

2021 Loss to Eclipse 8-7 You think that Eclipse is good?
Finally spank someone Long Island Outlaws 9-1 U think they are good?
Loss to Laxachusetts A Team 12-2
Beat them in Losers Bracket 7-6 that is actually impressive good going

2020 Seams to be a good team went 3-1

2019 You came in last and didn't win a single game won't post the scores.

Again, once great but the original post was $$$ money grab...change the club name to Little 4 and one "H"

I think wear there is smoke there is fire. I beieve this is the post that is being brought up because they used tourney machine scores to make their point. Since Triple H was at this tournament at mcdonugh that also posting no scores, maybet ther is somethig there.
HHH 2021s went 3-0 at McDonugh, fyi. Playing Laxachuttets, 91, Crabs, Superstar, Legacy, etc on a regular basis is a better experience for my kid. I'm sure some Philly teams could beat HHH. Cool. Nobody cares but you and you other dads that need validation that little Johnny's team can beat the other teams in the area. HHH has made my kid better and will continue to do so. I hope your kid's team goes 5-0 at Meltdown, Patriot Games, NXT Cup, and (insert local tourney here). HHH plays on LI so they can play (and most times get beat by) the better teams in the country. I hope you enjoy posting those pics on Facebook of your kid's team winning some tourney. That's whats important: winning 7th grade tourneys and bragging about it. Your kid's team is better than HHH. Good for you and your kid. We strive to be at your level: combing the internet for past tourney scores from 6th grade summer lax tourneys.
All fired up aren't ya. So 2021s are good so good fo ya. 2022, 2023, 2024 and the future...not so much
Just because you are playin on Long Island don't mean much, there are like three elite clubs there and that is it. All the Long Island teams are coming here to play in Philly because NXT does a great job and geographically Philly is halfway between the best Maryland teams and LI. There is not a tournament with a better youth field than NXT Cup in June until you play that tournament with your teams you are hiding.

Why don't you put the topic to rest and actually play NXT Cup this year check out the field from last year and tell me ONE tournament that has a stronger youth field than NXT Cup and I will shut up.

C'mon now if you aren't playing the strongest tournament in the summer schedule and it is in your back yard you can't play the we go up to Long Island because the lacrosse is better...all the teams Long Island Teams are in Philly that weekend including your NLF teams that you are partnered with. If every single NLF Team is in Philly playing the NXT Cup why aren't you?
Gee you sound like one of the sales people for NXT. Nobody better at making money than they are.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All fired up aren't ya. So 2021s are good so good fo ya. 2022, 2023, 2024 and the future...not so much


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just because you are playin on Long Island don't mean much, there are like three elite clubs there and that is it. All the Long Island teams are coming here to play in Philly because NXT does a great job and geographically Philly is halfway between the best Maryland teams and LI. There is not a tournament with a better youth field than NXT Cup in June until you play that tournament with your teams you are hiding.

Why don't you put the topic to rest and actually play NXT Cup this year check out the field from last year and tell me ONE tournament that has a stronger youth field than NXT Cup and I will shut up.

C'mon now if you aren't playing the strongest tournament in the summer schedule and it is in your back yard you can't play the we go up to Long Island because the lacrosse is better...all the teams Long Island Teams are in Philly that weekend including your NLF teams that you are partnered with. If every single NLF Team is in Philly playing the NXT Cup why aren't you?


It wail ruin the illusion, like Dukes that they are still an elite program. You can't tell me those kids are learning anything going up to LI and getting beat by 15 goals a game to the A teams. Here is thought stay home save the travel expenses and have your kids practice more.
I think this guy is making a decent point here despite all the apparent animosity. I know two families that left Triple H who had some issues but the main one, they just weren't happy with the time and expense associated going up to Long Island multiple times in the same month.

Rather simple question, "why does Triple H not play in Philly based tournaments.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think this guy is making a decent point here despite all the apparent animosity. I know two families that left Triple H who had some issues but the main one, they just weren't happy with the time and expense associated going up to Long Island multiple times in the same month.

Rather simple question, "why does Triple H not play in Philly based tournaments.


If you look at it from the outside it is pretty smart why they don't have there 22/23/24 teams play local. How could they justify charging what they do and not getting any results. If you are a parent and see your son's team losing to LI team's maybe you can justify it, but if Mesa/Sons/BL/Freedom are smoking your teams that is a different story. I realize at young ages it is not about W's and L's, but to not be competitive is the last thing you want.
I just googled Tourney Machine NXT Cup 2016 to see what all the fuss was about. That is the best youth tourney field I have seen in regards to number of teams, Long Island empties out and descends on Philly that weekend and Maryland teams also come out in droves. On top of that seeing teams from Seattle, California, Texas, New England and Florida.

Even the B Team Brackets are stacked.

Much as I hate to say it I have to agree.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think this guy is making a decent point here despite all the apparent animosity. I know two families that left Triple H who had some issues but the main one, they just weren't happy with the time and expense associated going up to Long Island multiple times in the same month.

Rather simple question, "why does Triple H not play in Philly based tournaments.
Afraid they will lose their kids to other programs.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I just googled Tourney Machine NXT Cup 2016 to see what all the fuss was about. That is the best youth tourney field I have seen in regards to number of teams, Long Island empties out and descends on Philly that weekend and Maryland teams also come out in droves. On top of that seeing teams from Seattle, California, Texas, New England and Florida.

Even the B Team Brackets are stacked.

Much as I hate to say it I have to agree.


OK NXT daddy or do you work for them?! That is the question
Hey let's stop the bashing...or at least for a couple of days call a truce.

Just got an email from my son's club team that they are forming a team to compete in the World Series of Youth Lacrosse in Denver. The tourament dropped their eligibility for the first time to align with US Lacrosse September 1st. This is really a U13 tournament or in the club team world a mix of 2022/2023.

Can a team from Philly compete? Thoughts?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey let's stop the bashing...or at least for a couple of days call a truce.

Just got an email from my son's club team that they are forming a team to compete in the World Series of Youth Lacrosse in Denver. The tourament dropped their eligibility for the first time to align with US Lacrosse September 1st. This is really a U13 tournament or in the club team world a mix of 2022/2023.

Can a team from Philly compete? Thoughts?


I team from Philly could totally compete. I highly recommend doing it, my son played in the tournament and it was an awesome experience!!!
What club is it?
My son plays for Brotherly Love they are taking eligible kids and combining their 2022 and 2023 teams. I think our 2023 team is top 3 in the country this year and our 2022 team has 4 of the best players from Freedom 2022 that play both clubs. Goalie will likely be a kid
From Lehigh that is excellent but they are having open tryouts
If the World Series truly dropped to US Lacrosse age requirements then absolutely, a Philly team can not only compete but they can win. Philadelphia youth lacrosse does not have nearly the amount of re-classed kids that the hotbeds have so there's a natural advantage there in that probably 85% of the kids on the Philly teams are going to be age appropriate and have played together for years as opposed to a thrown together team. Keep one thing in mind though, even though most Philly teams are age appropriate many of them have 2 or 3 kids with July and August birthdays so they will not be able to go.
Someone from Philly should go to promote the sport, the city, and represent the youth club scene. Maybe not the hotbed as Baltimore and LI; however, the list of illustrious Philadelphia players that played the game at an elite level is pretty damn impressive.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son plays for Brotherly Love they are taking eligible kids and combining their 2022 and 2023 teams. I think our 2023 team is top 3 in the country this year and our 2022 team has 4 of the best players from Freedom 2022 that play both clubs. Goalie will likely be a kid
From Lehigh that is excellent but they are having open tryouts

Where is the information on these tryouts?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Someone from Philly should go to promote the sport, the city, and represent the youth club scene. Maybe not the hotbed as Baltimore and LI; however, the list of illustrious Philadelphia players that played the game at an elite level is pretty damn impressive.

Someone should hold an open tryout for a Team Philadelphia
Maybe get a corporate sponsor to help defer some of the cost and attract the best kids
Perhaps a local college coach could handle the coaching and not a daddy
These are all things that won't happen, btw
Agreed not going to happen. Check out the WYSL website they are discouraging an all start team. You have to play a season with the team that you go with.
The tryouts are December 4th they don't say on the email if it is open to players outside of the club. It looks to me they are having tryouts but it is going to be the best players from Freedom 2022 that also play BL 2022 and the oldest/best players from Brotherly Love 2023. Essentially a combination team of Freedom 2022 and Brotherly Love 2023. That will be a [lacrosse] of a team and not sure they even need to go outside of the club.
Wsyl wants it both ways. They want a real team which has played together all season which are all grade based but also want a hard cutoff at 9/1.

The real teams have a couple kids older than 9/1.

The scumbag teams will cut the kids older than 9/1 and go play the B teams at WYSL without them and the real teams will play all tournament with all their kids as they have all season and decide the real championship at young guns or Millon championship.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wsyl wants it both ways. They want a real team which has played together all season which are all grade based but also want a hard cutoff at 9/1.

The real teams have a couple kids older than 9/1.

The scumbag teams will cut the kids older than 9/1 and go play the B teams at WYSL without them and the real teams will play all tournament with all their kids as they have all season and decide the real championship at young guns or Millon championship.

I disagree about the grade based piece. It seems to be well marketed as a u13 event.
I like that.
Puts all those hold backs in their proper place, age wise.
The really good teams will have players that don't qualify but should have a bench of B players or 23s to fill the void.
Give me age based any day. Levels the field.
My son plays for an excellent grade based team; however, I 100% agree that Youth Lacrosse should be age based like soccer. WSYL got it right, albeit three years into the initiative. If you watch the games the last two years the size disparity was apparent and unfair resulting in games that really weren't enjoyable to watch and I am sure that ESPN doesn't want that either.

Little League WS of baseball which is what WSYL is obviously emulating is age based and NOT grade based can you imagine the cheating that would occur in baseball if it were grade based? What would the teams look like coming from Asia and South America? It isn't inconceivable they would hold kids back 3-4 years if it were GRADE based. Hold your kid back once, twice, three times....

You are missing the boat the objective is NOT to see who the best club team is in America and it makes no mention of it on their site, but rather who is the best U13 team and if club teams restructure their programs to reconcile to WSYL that isn't bad and they certainly aren't scumbags, that's a bit dramatic.

The only people that want grade based have an agenda that links back to their club team or because they want to stack the deck in their favor.
It is better for our sport to have it based on age and any argument to the contrary is self serving.
Team 91 NY is sending a team where they mixed their age eligible boys and combined from several different teams. Suffice to say they are a REAL team and actually will be in reverse of what you are saying. They will be sending their B TEAM to Young Gunz.

As much as you may try, comparing another Bel Air Maryland Tournmanet to Playing in the Broncos Mile High Stadium on ESPN before a national tv audience just makes you sound silly.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wsyl wants it both ways. They want a real team which has played together all season which are all grade based but also want a hard cutoff at 9/1.

The real teams have a couple kids older than 9/1.

The scumbag teams will cut the kids older than 9/1 and go play the B teams at WYSL without them and the real teams will play all tournament with all their kids as they have all season and decide the real championship at young guns or Millon championship.
Sounds like little Johnny isn't eligible because you held him back. Don't $*&t on the event as a result. It's truly great to see the kids on ESPN that are age eligible.
I applaud WSYL for this change and hope more tourneys go to this.
Afraid they won't, however.
Far too much focus on recruiting. Recruiting of rising 8th graders. Nothing broken there.
Very much agree with age based. The thing nobody mentions is the emotional and pscyhological toll on these young kids in high school and college when the reality hits them squarely in the face that they really aren't as elite or good as they were led to believe their whole life by their parents pushing them.

I see it now in young boys that have dominated their whole young life from 1st grade to middle school becuase they were always older. Or the kid that was a stud high school/club player in and then can't get off the bench at Penn State. There are several local boys form Philly that went to Penn State and I haven't heard their names since they signed their letters of intent.

Until recently it looked to me like alot of the Haverford School boys didn't have the same success in college that they did in high school. While HS boys teams are always tops in the country, what is the emotional and psychological toll when they sit on the bench for their whole college career. Do they quit the team, do the drop out of college, do they leave the sport, there really is no data that I am aware of; howver, there has to be collateral damage from always being the best, fastest, biggest and then one day waking up and facing the reality that the sport you once thought you were "the man" you really aren't.

It needs to be age based as I am guessing it is the parents holding back these kids and not the kids going to their parents and saying "hey dad can I repeat 9th grade so I can kick butt on the lacrosse field, I am cool with my friends thinking I must be really dumb to have to repeat a grade...."
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wsyl wants it both ways. They want a real team which has played together all season which are all grade based but also want a hard cutoff at 9/1.

The real teams have a couple kids older than 9/1.

The scumbag teams will cut the kids older than 9/1 and go play the B teams at WYSL without them and the real teams will play all tournament with all their kids as they have all season and decide the real championship at young guns or Millon championship.
Sounds like little Johnny isn't eligible because you held him back. Don't $*&t on the event as a result. It's truly great to see the kids on ESPN that are age eligible.
I applaud WSYL for this change and hope more tourneys go to this.
Afraid they won't, however.
Far too much focus on recruiting. Recruiting of rising 8th graders. Nothing broken there.


It is comical seeing rising 8th graders committing that probably won't see any playing time at the HS level until there jnr/snr years...The brain trust at the NCAA's needs to step in and do something.
Let's face it US Lacrosse needs to grow some balls and mandate the change by having a policy that they will NOT Sanction any club, tournament, or individual that plays in a grade based event. Yea it will [lacrosse] off the elite clubs out there but the majority of these events and teams get their liability insurance through US Lacrosse and if all of a sudden they have to shop around for their insurance clubs and tournaments will start changing. Until they do all the club teams will continue giving "the bird" to their policy they articulated to the point that it is embarassing to US Lacrosse. Hey US Lacrosse... the whole club world is mooning ya...
"Scumbag Teams"....Yo dude that is harsh, I know we spend the majority of the day demeaning each other but come on, I am going to have to you out for a Missanelli Violation.
My son is the youngest in his class.
Continues to play and compete at a high level. He's a committed D1 player at a local HS.
What was frustrating for him was the 7th/8th grade years.
All kids grow and mature at a different pace but multiple 6' 7th graders on a team? Come on. I'm not gonna be a whiner and say "that's not fair" but I will be a parent and say "that's not safe" and "that's not sporting"
He eventually caught up and surpassed the "big boys" out there and he ultimately was a better player for it. I do not condone it, however. A few concussions and some other injuries from getting trucked doesn't make you "stronger"
The one time giants now ride the bench on their HS teams. You'll see it, if they don't develop the stick skills. Ask many HS coaches: they convert former middies and attackmen into poles once the size is there.
We all know that middle school hero. My kid wasn't one of them.
The sport needs to go to age based like virtually every single non-HS sport out there. Wake up. The boys playing men thing is a liability.
Go to birth year or along grade based guidelines: 9/1
Good luck to all you new to the lax world. I think things have unfortunately gotten worse.
Above all, enjoy the ride and ensure your kids are having fun
Lacrosse is an anolamy and not sure why. I think it has always been a niche support and a haven for preppie afffluent communities. One of the few collegiate sports that Ivy League Schools continue to rank at the highest level in the NCAA. That controlling faction is the only influencer that I can come up with that is manipulating the sport to its detriment.

The prep schools that litter the high school rankings every year, locally, Malvern, Haverford, and Episcopal are the single greatest beneficiaries of the re-classifcation tactic. Our neighbor is an outstanding pole and he was recruited to play for Haverford School. The first thing they made him do was repeat 9th grade.

If these bastions in the sport not only condone but encourage reclassification the reality is that outside of the high school ranks the sport will suffer even more as the playing field isn't level. In fairness the elite schools mostly play each other and the MIAA in Maryland is probably the greatest offender when it comes to reclassification and they often play each other and the Haverfords, Episopoal, and etc. are all on their schedules. The issue is when these schools then play Avon Grove, Springfield, Garnet Valley. It does beg the question if these elite private schools would even beat the public schools considering the majority of their rosters are filled with kids in "13th" grade.

That is the real reason, these private schools continue to be elite by gaming the system and these are the same individuals that fill the ranks of US Lacrosse.

Only way to lend clarity to a rather inane system. The world is round and NOT flat and anyone that believes grade over age based should be the standard sounds just about as silly as those that once believed the world is flat.

Problem is you are wrong. Very few tourneys use US lacrosse for insurance.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Problem is you are wrong. Very few tourneys use US lacrosse for insurance.

Regardless, we are the CUSTOMER of our "elite" programs and US Lacrosse.
They need to listen to their CUSTOMERS.
I have yet to have a face to face conversation with a parent who wouldn't support an age based model. Even parents of the reclassed or holdbacks.
Club soccer has been around far longer and is far more evolved than US Lacrosse will ever be. Same with hockey, field hockey, AAU basketball, Pop Warner Football, Little League, etc.
I know two local tourneys that do use them for insurance but you remain obtuse my befuddled friend, the point has hurtled past you like Haley's comet and your dim perspective is being diverted.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lacrosse is an anolamy and not sure why. I think it has always been a niche support and a haven for preppie afffluent communities. One of the few collegiate sports that Ivy League Schools continue to rank at the highest level in the NCAA. That controlling faction is the only influencer that I can come up with that is manipulating the sport to its detriment.

The prep schools that litter the high school rankings every year, locally, Malvern, Haverford, and Episcopal are the single greatest beneficiaries of the re-classifcation tactic. Our neighbor is an outstanding pole and he was recruited to play for Haverford School. The first thing they made him do was repeat 9th grade.

If these bastions in the sport not only condone but encourage reclassification the reality is that outside of the high school ranks the sport will suffer even more as the playing field isn't level. In fairness the elite schools mostly play each other and the MIAA in Maryland is probably the greatest offender when it comes to reclassification and they often play each other and the Haverfords, Episopoal, and etc. are all on their schedules. The issue is when these schools then play Avon Grove, Springfield, Garnet Valley. It does beg the question if these elite private schools would even beat the public schools considering the majority of their rosters are filled with kids in "13th" grade.

That is the real reason, these private schools continue to be elite by gaming the system and these are the same individuals that fill the ranks of US Lacrosse.

Only way to lend clarity to a rather inane system. The world is round and NOT flat and anyone that believes grade over age based should be the standard sounds just about as silly as those that once believed the world is flat. T

There are inter ac schools with very little to no reclassed kids. MP and Springside Chestnut Hill for starters.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I know two local tourneys that do use them for insurance but you remain obtuse my befuddled friend, the point has hurtled past you like Haley's comet and your dim perspective is being diverted.

Help me understand the point again, oh wise one.
Make it simple enough for us dolts to comprehend.
Don't doubt that some schools in the Inter Ac place a premium on academics while others focus on athletic excellence. But it is analogous to an "arms race"' one school does it then other schools follow their lead to remain competitive. It is Darwinian and inevitable.
No need to flagellate yourself my self anointed dolt.
The point that continues to elude you is that none of these established clubs will jettison their business model that has allowed them to dominate the club lacrosse landscape and generate profitable business modles will change their grade based structure in favor of aged based tiers unless leverage is appled that undermines their profitable. US Lacrosse needs to apply that leverage.

You see, simple, concise, and a perspective, nothing more nothing less. My cretinous friend I hope your world becomes enlightened.
Enlightened, I am
What spring leagues are teams going to play in? NXT or the new spring league at Maple Zone?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lacrosse is an anolamy and not sure why. I think it has always been a niche support and a haven for preppie afffluent communities. One of the few collegiate sports that Ivy League Schools continue to rank at the highest level in the NCAA. That controlling faction is the only influencer that I can come up with that is manipulating the sport to its detriment.

The prep schools that litter the high school rankings every year, locally, Malvern, Haverford, and Episcopal are the single greatest beneficiaries of the re-classifcation tactic. Our neighbor is an outstanding pole and he was recruited to play for Haverford School. The first thing they made him do was repeat 9th grade.

If these bastions in the sport not only condone but encourage reclassification the reality is that outside of the high school ranks the sport will suffer even more as the playing field isn't level. In fairness the elite schools mostly play each other and the MIAA in Maryland is probably the greatest offender when it comes to reclassification and they often play each other and the Haverfords, Episopoal, and etc. are all on their schedules. The issue is when these schools then play Avon Grove, Springfield, Garnet Valley. It does beg the question if these elite private schools would even beat the public schools considering the majority of their rosters are filled with kids in "13th" grade.

That is the real reason, these private schools continue to be elite by gaming the system and these are the same individuals that fill the ranks of US Lacrosse.

Only way to lend clarity to a rather inane system. The world is round and NOT flat and anyone that believes grade over age based should be the standard sounds just about as silly as those that once believed the world is flat. T

There are inter ac schools with very little to no reclassed kids. MP and Springside Chestnut Hill for starters.


So Malvern has zero re classed kids, are you 100% sure about that?...
I find that hard to believe. While not a fan of reclassification to gain advantage on a lacrosse field I know families that have reclassified their kid when they move them into private prep schools for high school. Whether for social, maturity, academics or whatever these are decisions made in the best interest of the child. If a family decides to reclass for lacrosse or the institutation insists upon the regrading I have to believe that Malvern as one of the elite lacrosse high schools in the country is doing this simply because their brethren are doing it. Can a school really compete at the highest level without doing this. My guess is not. Was Kyle Anderson that is going to Harvard reclassed or was he just always great?
Reclassification is the scourge of youth lacrosse. How many 16 year old 8th graders do we need on the lacrosse field. The MIAA and their feeder clubs (Crabs, FCA, Looneys Bar & Grill) are ruining the game for everyone else. Just make the sport age based and all this nonsense will stop. MAKE. IT. STOP. MAKE. IT. STOP.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lacrosse is an anolamy and not sure why. I think it has always been a niche support and a haven for preppie afffluent communities. One of the few collegiate sports that Ivy League Schools continue to rank at the highest level in the NCAA. That controlling faction is the only influencer that I can come up with that is manipulating the sport to its detriment.

The prep schools that litter the high school rankings every year, locally, Malvern, Haverford, and Episcopal are the single greatest beneficiaries of the re-classifcation tactic. Our neighbor is an outstanding pole and he was recruited to play for Haverford School. The first thing they made him do was repeat 9th grade.

If these bastions in the sport not only condone but encourage reclassification the reality is that outside of the high school ranks the sport will suffer even more as the playing field isn't level. In fairness the elite schools mostly play each other and the MIAA in Maryland is probably the greatest offender when it comes to reclassification and they often play each other and the Haverfords, Episopoal, and etc. are all on their schedules. The issue is when these schools then play Avon Grove, Springfield, Garnet Valley. It does beg the question if these elite private schools would even beat the public schools considering the majority of their rosters are filled with kids in "13th" grade.

That is the real reason, these private schools continue to be elite by gaming the system and these are the same individuals that fill the ranks of US Lacrosse.

Only way to lend clarity to a rather inane system. The world is round and NOT flat and anyone that believes grade over age based should be the standard sounds just about as silly as those that once believed the world is flat. T

There are inter ac schools with very little to no reclassed kids. MP and Springside Chestnut Hill for starters.


So Malvern has zero re classed kids, are you 100% sure about that?...
Yes, none
Shootout for Soldiers is coming to Philly next summer. Great event for a great cause.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lacrosse is an anolamy and not sure why. I think it has always been a niche support and a haven for preppie afffluent communities. One of the few collegiate sports that Ivy League Schools continue to rank at the highest level in the NCAA. That controlling faction is the only influencer that I can come up with that is manipulating the sport to its detriment.

The prep schools that litter the high school rankings every year, locally, Malvern, Haverford, and Episcopal are the single greatest beneficiaries of the re-classifcation tactic. Our neighbor is an outstanding pole and he was recruited to play for Haverford School. The first thing they made him do was repeat 9th grade.

If these bastions in the sport not only condone but encourage reclassification the reality is that outside of the high school ranks the sport will suffer even more as the playing field isn't level. In fairness the elite schools mostly play each other and the MIAA in Maryland is probably the greatest offender when it comes to reclassification and they often play each other and the Haverfords, Episopoal, and etc. are all on their schedules. The issue is when these schools then play Avon Grove, Springfield, Garnet Valley. It does beg the question if these elite private schools would even beat the public schools considering the majority of their rosters are filled with kids in "13th" grade.

That is the real reason, these private schools continue to be elite by gaming the system and these are the same individuals that fill the ranks of US Lacrosse.

Only way to lend clarity to a rather inane system. The world is round and NOT flat and anyone that believes grade over age based should be the standard sounds just about as silly as those that once believed the world is flat. T

There are inter ac schools with very little to no reclassed kids. MP and Springside Chestnut Hill for starters.


So Malvern has zero re classed kids, are you 100% sure about that?...
Yes, none

that is not true, I guess it depends on how you define reclassed. Personally, if a kid starts K and they are already 6, then they have been reclassed. Did their parents do it early, yes, but are they in the grade below where they should be, yes.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lacrosse is an anolamy and not sure why. I think it has always been a niche support and a haven for preppie afffluent communities. One of the few collegiate sports that Ivy League Schools continue to rank at the highest level in the NCAA. That controlling faction is the only influencer that I can come up with that is manipulating the sport to its detriment.

The prep schools that litter the high school rankings every year, locally, Malvern, Haverford, and Episcopal are the single greatest beneficiaries of the re-classifcation tactic. Our neighbor is an outstanding pole and he was recruited to play for Haverford School. The first thing they made him do was repeat 9th grade.

If these bastions in the sport not only condone but encourage reclassification the reality is that outside of the high school ranks the sport will suffer even more as the playing field isn't level. In fairness the elite schools mostly play each other and the MIAA in Maryland is probably the greatest offender when it comes to reclassification and they often play each other and the Haverfords, Episopoal, and etc. are all on their schedules. The issue is when these schools then play Avon Grove, Springfield, Garnet Valley. It does beg the question if these elite private schools would even beat the public schools considering the majority of their rosters are filled with kids in "13th" grade.

That is the real reason, these private schools continue to be elite by gaming the system and these are the same individuals that fill the ranks of US Lacrosse.

Only way to lend clarity to a rather inane system. The world is round and NOT flat and anyone that believes grade over age based should be the standard sounds just about as silly as those that once believed the world is flat. T

There are inter ac schools with very little to no reclassed kids. MP and Springside Chestnut Hill for starters.


So Malvern has zero re classed kids, are you 100% sure about that?...
Yes, none

that is not true, I guess it depends on how you define reclassed. Personally, if a kid starts K and they are already 6, then they have been reclassed. Did their parents do it early, yes, but are they in the grade below where they should be, yes.
No reclassed means you repeated a grade. They don't have any.
Agreed starting late is not reclassed. Plenty of kids start late especially boys
As they lack maturity or development issues there really is nothing wrong with that now are there parents that start late solely for athletic excellence yes I know some but it isn't reclassing.
You are really overstating the quality of BL team. I have never seen BL in the finals of any quality tournament and I have NEVER seen them even try to play in a Long Island tourney. NXT last year was dominated by Long Island teams. Freedom also talks a good game, but is no where to be found in the finals.
My son has played for BL since they started and nobody is saying they are the best however the 2023 has either beaten or played competitively a lot of top notch teams. Teams beaten: Crabs, Laxachusetts, LI Express, 91 Warriors, Bethesda LC, Building Blocks, Tri State, Superstar and recently 91 in box. lost to Igloo by a couple and S2S in overtime. That is pretty good company and I believe our team is the best out of Philly at 2023 and 2024
Agreed a lot more than triple HHH
Dukes what a bad showing in tampa
You are right the NXT Cup was dominated by Long Island teams and there was only one NON LI Team, Brotherly Love. The NXT Cup had one of the strongest brackets in the country at 2023 where BL had their best team. The SemiFinals was the following teams.

LI Express
S2S (LI team that only has an elite 2023 team)
91 Bandits
Brotherly Love

BL lost to S2S in overtime and then beat Express in the Consolation game missing their 2 best poles.

I don't think the quality of the team is overstated at all. Can Triple H do that, Has Freedom done that, Mesa, NXT??

Why go to Long Island when all the best LI Teams come down here....Thank you NXT for field and Fusion for BOX. I for one would rather sleep in my own bed and save the hassle and money.
I can second that emotion! As far as overstating the quality of BL is concerned, the record speaks for itself. Overstating, understating, hitting the mark directly, what does it matter in the grand scheme of things? It does seem to matter to the person who posted the statement. I can confidently say that most BL parents are ok with that opinion because, in most cases, the opinion is just sour grapes from an opponent that doesn't jibe with reality.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why go to Long Island when all the best LI Teams come down here....Thank you NXT for field and Fusion for BOX. I for one would rather sleep in my own bed and save the hassle and money.


Unfortunately, unless you want to only play one top-tier tourney a year, you're going to need to travel. BL should try to get into the NLF. Lots of top team play in those tourneys.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why go to Long Island when all the best LI Teams come down here....Thank you NXT for field and Fusion for BOX. I for one would rather sleep in my own bed and save the hassle and money.


Unfortunately, unless you want to only play one top-tier tourney a year, you're going to need to travel. BL should try to get into the NLF. Lots of top team play in those tourneys.


I wonder if playing more than one top-tier tourney a year is a worthy goal? I think there are a few different types of lacrosse parents, not one better than another, just different. God bless Team 91 parents. They spend a sizable sum of money and time on lacrosse before they even book their hotels for the trip to PA, Maryland or Florida etc. Their kids train for a dis-proportional amount of time compared to many other teams. They get top notch training, coaches and facilities, but for everything gained, something must be sacrificed. I'm not sure I want my son (family) to give up all those things we do when we aren't in the car, on the plane, in a hotel, because our team demands that. I think it is just a different philosophy. Sure, it's fun to say you're the best at something, but is it meaningful at this stage of their lives, or is it more "important" to the parent who is living vicariously? So, if BL beats Bandits one day, it will be the icing on the cake, not the fulfillment of their destiny.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why go to Long Island when all the best LI Teams come down here....Thank you NXT for field and Fusion for BOX. I for one would rather sleep in my own bed and save the hassle and money.


Unfortunately, unless you want to only play one top-tier tourney a year, you're going to need to travel. BL should try to get into the NLF. Lots of top team play in those tourneys.

LOL, BL will never-ever be invited to play in the NLF, they are a rinky dink club and will not be considered. BL will end up folding as the kids get older, just as rising sons did
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why go to Long Island when all the best LI Teams come down here....Thank you NXT for field and Fusion for BOX. I for one would rather sleep in my own bed and save the hassle and money.


Unfortunately, unless you want to only play one top-tier tourney a year, you're going to need to travel. BL should try to get into the NLF. Lots of top team play in those tourneys.

LOL, BL will never-ever be invited to play in the NLF, they are a rinky dink club and will not be considered. BL will end up folding as the kids get older, just as rising sons did


Are you this fun to be with in person or just on this thread? If you weren't so juvenile and ridiculous and a second rate prognosticator, I'd cite some stats that would prove your prediction to be unlikely. But, you are just plain juvenile and ridiculous. Actually, your negativity is sad. Why not start the new year the way you ended the last, right? I suppose if BL ever did play in the NLF it would be because it cheated, right? The fact that you have nothing better to do than to spew negativity about a youth lacrosse team is a reflection on the type of person you are. It doesn't reflect well on you and it does nothing to enhance this thread. And, if BL does fold as you predict, it will fold after helping in the development of some great young men who, I believe, will be miles ahead of you in life.
BL is not going to beat the Bandits, they are not going to beat Igloo or S2S. The Long Island teams have a much deeper pool of talent and they take the game much more seriously.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BL is not going to beat the Bandits, they are not going to beat Igloo or S2S. The Long Island teams have a much deeper pool of talent and they take the game much more seriously.


I'm wondering if you meant obsessively rather than seriously. Yes, they have a MUCH deeper pool of talent to choose from and they obsess over the amount of preparation their kids need to enjoy the game of lacrosse and win, no matter the cost. If you are one of them, good for you. Like I said, icing on the cake if BL beats any of the teams you've mentioned. They've come very close to beating at least one of them in their brief history. I'd consider being a little less definitive if I were you. Keep watching.
LOL, actually I know the owner of BL and as a matter of fact their 2023 and 2024 were both invited to the NLF event in June but declined due to prior commitments. Don't kid yourslelf at 2023 there were alot of non NLF teams that attended. The NLF guys aren't stupid if they want to promote their brand of elite tournaments they recognize that there are elite teams outside of their Federation.

BL came out of nowhere, and let's be frank started kicking everyone's [lacrosse] locally in Philly, cite them for cheating or whatever makes you feel sleep at night about the results, that is fine, but the results and game scores themselves cannot be refuted.

Even now they are working with S2S, Igloo, Express to set up a local "off the grid" playday between the top 2023 and 2024 teams in the country but most on this board wouldn't even be aware of that as they can't compete. Very Darwinian in that all of the elite clubs want to compete against each other as they all recognize that the only way to stay on top is to play the best competition you can find.

If they beat Express which most would place at #2 on the 2023 hierarchy and beat the Crabs which beat Igloo twice why couldn't they beat them. Maybe we do maybe we do but at least we are in the game, you.... the only game you are playing is with yourself
Just to put it into perspective, the Express have not been able to beat the Bandits ever. The Express is a well established strong team and they have never been able to get over hump. So, it is very hard to imagine BL winning a game with the Bandits anytime soon.
I don't disagree with you but to put it into perspective I know for a fact the former coach and founder of the club has set that as the goal for the 2023 team what is your goal, to win the B Bracket. At least BL can run with these teams can yours?
After all who has been able to beat the Bandits? For the most part clubs improve BL in my opinion has all the pieces finally in place let's see how we do despite all the naysayers poking the BL voodoo dolls
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LOL, actually I know the owner of BL and as a matter of fact their 2023 and 2024 were both invited to the NLF event in June but declined due to prior commitments. Don't kid yourslelf at 2023 there were alot of non NLF teams that attended. The NLF guys aren't stupid if they want to promote their brand of elite tournaments they recognize that there are elite teams outside of their Federation.

BL came out of nowhere, and let's be frank started kicking everyone's [lacrosse] locally in Philly, cite them for cheating or whatever makes you feel sleep at night about the results, that is fine, but the results and game scores themselves cannot be refuted.

Even now they are working with S2S, Igloo, Express to set up a local "off the grid" playday between the top 2023 and 2024 teams in the country but most on this board wouldn't even be aware of that as they can't compete. Very Darwinian in that all of the elite clubs want to compete against each other as they all recognize that the only way to stay on top is to play the best competition you can find.

If they beat Express which most would place at #2 on the 2023 hierarchy and beat the Crabs which beat Igloo twice why couldn't they beat them. Maybe we do maybe we do but at least we are in the game, you.... the only game you are playing is with yourself


Playing in a NLF event at a younger age means nothing. The only NLF events that matter are for the HS ages and my understanding is that only NLF affiliated teams play in those.
Igloo never beat them either then they did last year. No doubt outstanding team but that doesn't mean we stop trying bit defeatist
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LOL, actually I know the owner of BL and as a matter of fact their 2023 and 2024 were both invited to the NLF event in June but declined due to prior commitments. Don't kid yourslelf at 2023 there were alot of non NLF teams that attended. The NLF guys aren't stupid if they want to promote their brand of elite tournaments they recognize that there are elite teams outside of their Federation.

BL came out of nowhere, and let's be frank started kicking everyone's [lacrosse] locally in Philly, cite them for cheating or whatever makes you feel sleep at night about the results, that is fine, but the results and game scores themselves cannot be refuted.

Even now they are working with S2S, Igloo, Express to set up a local "off the grid" playday between the top 2023 and 2024 teams in the country but most on this board wouldn't even be aware of that as they can't compete. Very Darwinian in that all of the elite clubs want to compete against each other as they all recognize that the only way to stay on top is to play the best competition you can find.

If they beat Express which most would place at #2 on the 2023 hierarchy and beat the Crabs which beat Igloo twice why couldn't they beat them. Maybe we do maybe we do but at least we are in the game, you.... the only game you are playing is with yourself


Playing in a NLF event at a younger age means nothing. The only NLF events that matter are for the HS ages and my understanding is that only NLF affiliated teams play in those.


There were non NLF teams playing in HS divisions of the summer NLF championship. Looneys played in fall freshman. If the coaches/directors establish right relationships and they are among the best, they'll get invited to plenty of great events.

The "top events" keep changing too. Back when my oldest was in club the top youth events were Tristate in NJ and Summer Sizzle in Baltimore
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LOL, actually I know the owner of BL and as a matter of fact their 2023 and 2024 were both invited to the NLF event in June but declined due to prior commitments. Don't kid yourslelf at 2023 there were alot of non NLF teams that attended. The NLF guys aren't stupid if they want to promote their brand of elite tournaments they recognize that there are elite teams outside of their Federation.

BL came out of nowhere, and let's be frank started kicking everyone's [lacrosse] locally in Philly, cite them for cheating or whatever makes you feel sleep at night about the results, that is fine, but the results and game scores themselves cannot be refuted.

Even now they are working with S2S, Igloo, Express to set up a local "off the grid" playday between the top 2023 and 2024 teams in the country but most on this board wouldn't even be aware of that as they can't compete. Very Darwinian in that all of the elite clubs want to compete against each other as they all recognize that the only way to stay on top is to play the best competition you can find.

If they beat Express which most would place at #2 on the 2023 hierarchy and beat the Crabs which beat Igloo twice why couldn't they beat them. Maybe we do maybe we do but at least we are in the game, you.... the only game you are playing is with yourself


Playing in a NLF event at a younger age means nothing. The only NLF events that matter are for the HS ages and my understanding is that only NLF affiliated teams play in those.


It just means that you would be playing against the best possible competition.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LOL, actually I know the owner of BL and as a matter of fact their 2023 and 2024 were both invited to the NLF event in June but declined due to prior commitments. Don't kid yourslelf at 2023 there were alot of non NLF teams that attended. The NLF guys aren't stupid if they want to promote their brand of elite tournaments they recognize that there are elite teams outside of their Federation.

BL came out of nowhere, and let's be frank started kicking everyone's [lacrosse] locally in Philly, cite them for cheating or whatever makes you feel sleep at night about the results, that is fine, but the results and game scores themselves cannot be refuted.

Even now they are working with S2S, Igloo, Express to set up a local "off the grid" playday between the top 2023 and 2024 teams in the country but most on this board wouldn't even be aware of that as they can't compete. Very Darwinian in that all of the elite clubs want to compete against each other as they all recognize that the only way to stay on top is to play the best competition you can find.

If they beat Express which most would place at #2 on the 2023 hierarchy and beat the Crabs which beat Igloo twice why couldn't they beat them. Maybe we do maybe we do but at least we are in the game, you.... the only game you are playing is with yourself


Playing in a NLF event at a younger age means nothing. The only NLF events that matter are for the HS ages and my understanding is that only NLF affiliated teams play in those.


It just means that you would be playing against the best possible competition.
At the younger ages 2021 and below, clubs like Igloo and Legacy have the top teams on the island.
FYI there are 80 listed 2020 commits. 58 of them are from NON NLF teams. There are a lot of great players playing on NON NLF teams. You do not have to play for an NLF team to get recruited. If you are good you will be seen and recruited.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FYI there are 80 listed 2020 commits. 58 of them are from NON NLF teams. There are a lot of great players playing on NON NLF teams. You do not have to play for an NLF team to get recruited. If you are good you will be seen and recruited.


I'm not talking about recruiting, just playing against some really good teams. Anyone can get recruited. People think you need to be on a high profile club. That's just not so. I've been through it. Just find the colleges your kid is interested in and go to their camps in 9th and 10th grade. That's the real way to do it.

FYI: Zumnuts and Igloo are not the best LI teams from 2021 and down. They're good, but 91 and Express still hold the top spots for most grades, 2024 excluded.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FYI there are 80 listed 2020 commits. 58 of them are from NON NLF teams. There are a lot of great players playing on NON NLF teams. You do not have to play for an NLF team to get recruited. If you are good you will be seen and recruited.

What's concerning is there's only an handful of PA kids. Still early but damn.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FYI there are 80 listed 2020 commits. 58 of them are from NON NLF teams. There are a lot of great players playing on NON NLF teams. You do not have to play for an NLF team to get recruited. If you are good you will be seen and recruited.

What's concerning is there's only an handful of PA kids. Still early but damn.


Get a grip, they haven't even played a varsity game yet. People have lost their minds.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FYI there are 80 listed 2020 commits. 58 of them are from NON NLF teams. There are a lot of great players playing on NON NLF teams. You do not have to play for an NLF team to get recruited. If you are good you will be seen and recruited.

What's concerning is there's only an handful of PA kids. Still early but damn.


Get a grip, they haven't even played a varsity game yet. People have lost their minds.

Varsity lacrosse? You're new here, huh. Nobody cares about HS LAX, my friend.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FYI there are 80 listed 2020 commits. 58 of them are from NON NLF teams. There are a lot of great players playing on NON NLF teams. You do not have to play for an NLF team to get recruited. If you are good you will be seen and recruited.

What's concerning is there's only an handful of PA kids. Still early but damn.


Get a grip, they haven't even played a varsity game yet. People have lost their minds.


Son, you will play lacrosse because you choose to, because you enjoy the game. Your dad acknowledges that it's not likely you will ever be a starter on a D1 team, but that's ok. The game of lacrosse enhances you, it does not define who you are. Play the game and if it ever feels like a job, it's ok if you find something else productive to do with your time.
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Anyone surprised that a Haverford School grad was booted from UVA?

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Anyone surprised that a Haverford School grad was booted from UVA?



And who would that be? The goalie that went to Malvern got booted didn't hear anything about a Haverford kid.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone surprised that a Haverford School grad was booted from UVA?



And who would that be? The goalie that went to Malvern got booted didn't hear anything about a Haverford kid.


Poquie
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone surprised that a Haverford School grad was booted from UVA?



And who would that be? The goalie that went to Malvern got booted didn't hear anything about a Haverford kid.


Poquie


Why?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone surprised that a Haverford School grad was booted from UVA?



And who would that be? The goalie that went to Malvern got booted didn't hear anything about a Haverford kid.


Poquie


Why?


UVA not giving specific details. I guess no one died.

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Any thoughts on who wins the Elite Eight Tournament being run by Mark Millon on June 3/4th in Maryland. The top Eight 2024 teams in the country are invited:

Team 91 Wolfpack
Annapolis Hawks
Brotherly Love
Igloo
Team 91 Maryland
Madly
Bethesda.
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1) Madlax
2) Team 91 Wolfpack
3) Legacy Taz
4) Brotherly Love
5) Bethesda
6) Team 91 MD
7) Annapolis Hawks
8) Igloo
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Never heard of this tournament. Where is it and when is it only 2024?
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Wolfpack or Taz are clearly the best but this is a great group of teams
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madlax is good, but they are really 2023 kids, the wonderful world of holdbacks. Older kids can beat younger kids.
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I agree that MD has a lot of holdbacks as a general rule but are you making a generalization or are they really 2023 kids.
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This I don't get.
Who is the person(s) that decided that these are the best 8 Teams at 2024. Was there a panel, was there a poll, was this unilaterally a decision? Give me a break, the best 8 teams in the country. I can think of several that should be on this list and some frankly that shouldn't be on this list. From LI and this list is suspect.

To show I am not a HOMER it begins with Igloo, not top 20 let alone top 8.
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How is Brotherly Love on this list ONLY good team they have is 2023. Brotherly Love is a one team club not even sure that makes them a club.
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How is Brotherly Love on this list ONLY good team they have is 2023. Brotherly Love is a one team club not even sure that makes them a club.


Watched BL 2024 at Crab Feast and you have no clue what you are taking about.
They lost to the 24 cough/cough MadLax team by a goal in the finals. Taz and Wolfpack are clearly the 2 best teams but BL is definitely a top 8 team.
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Is there a Philly team that can beat BL at 24?
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Roughriders
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Definitely beat us last year but outside of that game I think that is the only time ever
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For NXT spring league at proving grounds there are restrictions about double rostering, correct?
The way I understand it is that you can only play for one organization but you can float to teams up in age but not down.
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Yup
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looks like the schedule is up for the NXT box tourney
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looks like the schedule is up for the NXT box tourney


2023 looks like a very competitive group!
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Looks like good competition at NXT box tourney. Friends visiting from the North. The kids will get a good idea of how the box game should be played. Hope it doesn't get ugly.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
looks like the schedule is up for the NXT box tourney


2023 looks like a very competitive group!


My guess is team 91 for the top 3 spots and BL a distant 4th.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like good competition at NXT box tourney. Friends visiting from the North. The kids will get a good idea of how the box game should be played. Hope it doesn't get ugly.


My bet is on Rising Sons in the 2021 division.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like good competition at NXT box tourney. Friends visiting from the North. The kids will get a good idea of how the box game should be played. Hope it doesn't get ugly.


9-1 MD and Hawks have best shot at 2022.

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Nxt spring league schedule is posted on tourney machine
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BL can and has beat Warriors I don't see us beating 91 at box we simply don't play it enough. I would keep an eye on Ottawa the Canadians are playing a different game
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BL can and has beat Warriors I don't see us beating 91 at box we simply don't play it enough. I would keep an eye on Ottawa the Canadians are playing a different game


BL will be last.
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Ahh always the vitriol and envy to the point of obtuse. Really 12 teams in the bracket and they are going to be last? What place will your team be while your kid is home playing Xbox and you gratify yourself in front of your monitor
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
BL can and has beat Warriors I don't see us beating 91 at box we simply don't play it enough. I would keep an eye on Ottawa the Canadians are playing a different game


BL will be last.


Our kids appreciate the support....you should come introduce yourself to them
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Ha! BL has no shot to beat Warriors.
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Prediction for NXT 2023 final....Bandits Orange vs Bandits Blue
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ha! BL has no shot to beat Warriors.


They just beat them a couple weeks ago you dope. Stop stirring.
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Your likely right about the final the Bandits have spent a ton of time playing box lacrosse and BL 2023 has spent little however we are 2-0 vs the Warriors having beat them outside by a lot to a little and just beat them in the finals of the Fusion Box Tournament. The truth just kills you doesn't it, just eats away at you. Why so bitter? Did you lose your best players to BL did your kid get cut?
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2-1 against the Warriors (91 B Team). Handled them at NXT and 1-1 at Fusion both 1 goal games.
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Ottawa will take 2021
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Just to be clear this B team is better than most A teams so let's not give them the props they deserve. I would put them top 10 in the country
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
2-1 against the Warriors (91 B Team). Handled them at NXT and 1-1 at Fusion both 1 goal games.


BL had 15 players in the championship and the 91 team only had like 9. Fresh legs made the difference. Both teams played very well, though.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
BL can and has beat Warriors I don't see us beating 91 at box we simply don't play it enough. I would keep an eye on Ottawa the Canadians are playing a different game


Agreed. It will be interesting to see how physical they will allow the boys to play. Seems like every tournament has had a different set of rules.
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Has anyone heard who Episcopal hired as the D-Coordinator?!? T Slate. Any thoughts on that hire?
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Once was a phenomenal pole himself. Going through some tough times right now but both he and the HC could use a fresh start and wish them well. I have a sneaking suspicion that Episcopal will soon be in the elite ranks, nationally.
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Once was a phenomenal pole himself. Going through some tough times right now but both he and the HC could use a fresh start and wish them well. I have a sneaking suspicion that Episcopal will soon be in the elite ranks, nationally.
Not easy to do with Haverford and Malvern in your back yard. Coed also so makes it tough when you are pulling from half the # of kids.
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I agree about once being a phenomenal pole, and furthermore his knowledge of the game is in the elite category. Just concerned about how many bridges he has burned and players and parents not wanting to send their children there because of him. He was ran out of town at DEast because of the parents and the issues they had with his ethics etc.
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Former HC of Princeton isn't that the ultimate prize for any kid going to an elite prep school and I wouldn't hold the cover against them look at their basketball teams. Bates deserves a second chance and I am in his corner
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Agreed the co-ed thing is a non issue if they want to be truly elite they will recruit the kids OMG have you ever been on campus I wish I had the $$ to send my son there to play lacrosse it is an unbelievable campus what does it cost to go there ?
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EA could be elite, however the school is driven by academics first and athletics second. If you can't meet their academic standards, then you will have a hard time getting in no matter how good of a lacrosse player you are.
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nxt box tourney predictions

HS AA - Everest Academy Varsity
HS A - Everest Academy JV
2021 - Ottawa Capitals
2022 - Annapolis Hawks (toss up in this division though)
2023 - 91 Bandits (either color)
2024 - Brotherly Love
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nxt box tourney predictions

HS AA - Everest Academy Varsity
HS A - Everest Academy JV
2021 - Ottawa Capitals
2022 - Annapolis Hawks (toss up in this division though)
2023 - 91 Bandits (either color)
2024 - Brotherly Love


HS AA - Everest over Penn Lax 14-6
HS A - 91 Crush over Everest in finals 7-6
2021 - TriState over PennLax 6-3 (Ottawa capitals 0-4)
2022 - 91md over Hawks 13-9
2023 - ? - three 91s and BL in brackets but no results? BL lost to 91 blue earlier 5-4
2024 - 91md over BL 8-7




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Originally Posted by Anonymous
nxt box tourney predictions

HS AA - Everest Academy Varsity
HS A - Everest Academy JV
2021 - Ottawa Capitals
2022 - Annapolis Hawks (toss up in this division though)
2023 - 91 Bandits (either color)
2024 - Brotherly Love


HS AA - Everest over Penn Lax 14-6
HS A - 91 Crush over Everest in finals 7-6
2021 - TriState over PennLax 6-3 (Ottawa capitals 0-4)
2022 - 91md over Hawks 13-9
2023 - ? - three 91s and BL in brackets but no results? BL lost to 91 blue earlier 5-4
2024 - 91md over BL 8-7






2023- bandits v bandits in the final. No game played. Beat BL and Warriors by a bunch in the semis.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
nxt box tourney predictions

HS AA - Everest Academy Varsity
HS A - Everest Academy JV
2021 - Ottawa Capitals
2022 - Annapolis Hawks (toss up in this division though)
2023 - 91 Bandits (either color)
2024 - Brotherly Love


HS AA - Everest over Penn Lax 14-6
HS A - 91 Crush over Everest in finals 7-6
2021 - TriState over PennLax 6-3 (Ottawa capitals 0-4)
2022 - 91md over Hawks 13-9
2023 - ? - three 91s and BL in brackets but no results? BL lost to 91 blue earlier 5-4
2024 - 91md over BL 8-7






2023- bandits v bandits in the final. No game played. Beat BL and Warriors by a bunch in the semis.


Bandits 4-0
Bandits 4-0
Warriors 3-1
Brotherly Love 2-2
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Wow! Bandits and the B team in the finals. Not a great showing for Philly lacrosse.
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Actually 1/2 bandits played and handily beat B team. Other 1/2 Bandit team beat up BL by a large margin
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Did you expect otherwise? 9/1 is 100% committed to the box game and Philly teams are not.
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Bandits beat BL 14-5
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Wow! Bandits and the B team in the finals. Not a great showing for Philly lacrosse.


Wow! It's almost like you have no idea who the Bandits and the "B" team are. Check out some of the predictions in earlier posts and the rationale for those predictions. If you think this box tournament was a representation of Philly lacrosse, think again. Just curious, are you from L.I.? Or, do you have an issue with Philly lacrosse and maybe one team in particular? Either way, your comment is meaningless. How did your team represent?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow! Bandits and the B team in the finals. Not a great showing for Philly lacrosse.


Canada, LI, and MD - no surprises

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Bandits beat BL 14-5


12-4 but whose counting
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The Bandits are an excellent team; their skills are top notch and reflective of the amount of time they invest in the game at such a young age. I watched the Brotherly Love vs Bandits (split squad) which Bandits won 5-4 and I have to say that BL looked awful, they looked like a field team trying to play box and didn't even put a shot on goal until 7 minutes had expired. That's embarrassing. Now that being said here was the difference in the two teams.
Bandits: Elite stick skills and precision execution of the box game.
Brotherly Love: No clue on how to play box but clearly the more athletic and faster team. They had 3-4 kids that looked like attack type skill sets, the rest shouldn't be playing box and were obviously defenseman or middies used to running by people to get their goals.

However "Gloating Parent" from Long Island what does strike me about the 91 Bandits is very little speed and athleticism and a ton of undersized kids. The reality is the insane amount of time and money invested into youth lacrosse will yield very little return for the majority of you. Sure there may be a Connor Cannizzaro amongst the Bandit Team but I didn't see him if there was. If BL 2023 is the best Philly Team and my understanding is they are they are clearly the more athletic team and at the end of they day individual kids on BL will eventually catch the 91 kids and ultimately have more successful lacrosse careers. I don't doubt that 91 players will go on and have success; however, the majority of them will end up as burnt out college kids reminiscing about their glory days from when they were in 5th and 6th grade. You are kidding yourself if you think the undersized kids that I saw are going to be able to play collegiate lacrosse at a D1 Level. The Jordan Wolf's and the Joey Sankeys are the minority, size matters.
But in fairness Kudos to the 91 teams and their brand. They have done a remarkable job in developing skillsets and elevating the you game.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Bandits are an excellent team; their skills are top notch and reflective of the amount of time they invest in the game at such a young age. I watched the Brotherly Love vs Bandits (split squad) which Bandits won 5-4 and I have to say that BL looked awful, they looked like a field team trying to play box and didn't even put a shot on goal until 7 minutes had expired. That's embarrassing. Now that being said here was the difference in the two teams.
Bandits: Elite stick skills and precision execution of the box game.
Brotherly Love: No clue on how to play box but clearly the more athletic and faster team. They had 3-4 kids that looked like attack type skill sets, the rest shouldn't be playing box and were obviously defenseman or middies used to running by people to get their goals.

However "Gloating Parent" from Long Island what does strike me about the 91 Bandits is very little speed and athleticism and a ton of undersized kids. The reality is the insane amount of time and money invested into youth lacrosse will yield very little return for the majority of you. Sure there may be a Connor Cannizzaro amongst the Bandit Team but I didn't see him if there was. If BL 2023 is the best Philly Team and my understanding is they are they are clearly the more athletic team and at the end of they day individual kids on BL will eventually catch the 91 kids and ultimately have more successful lacrosse careers. I don't doubt that 91 players will go on and have success; however, the majority of them will end up as burnt out college kids reminiscing about their glory days from when they were in 5th and 6th grade. You are kidding yourself if you think the undersized kids that I saw are going to be able to play collegiate lacrosse at a D1 Level. The Jordan Wolf's and the Joey Sankeys are the minority, size matters.
But in fairness Kudos to the 91 teams and their brand. They have done a remarkable job in developing skillsets and elevating the you game.


Overall, a reasonably good assessment. I don't think it's accurate to say that BL was "awful". You are correct to say that BL looks like a field team trying to play box. The fact is, that's exactly what they are. Comparatively speaking, they've had very little play time and even less practice time. Despite those facts, they lost by one point to one Bandit team and they scored more points and allowed fewer goals when they played the other. Both Bandits teams have CONSIDERABLY more practice and experience in box. BL wasn't awful, just inexperienced.
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They looked awful. Players running around with 5 seconds left oblivious to the shot clock, the subbing looked like a Chinese Firedrill, Poles playing offense that looked like they were uncomfortable with a short stick, no picks, no pick and slips, no back door cuts, and middie "types" trying to do alley dodges. But they were fast. The one kid ran down a 91 kid and took his arm off like a cheetah chasing down a zebra on the Serengeti....but overall their box game looked awful.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
They looked awful. Players running around with 5 seconds left oblivious to the shot clock, the subbing looked like a Chinese Firedrill, Poles playing offense that looked like they were uncomfortable with a short stick, no picks, no pick and slips, no back door cuts, and middie "types" trying to do alley dodges. But they were fast. The one kid ran down a 91 kid and took his arm off like a cheetah chasing down a zebra on the Serengeti....but overall their box game looked awful.


Amazing they looked awful and made top 4...and were a few very questionable calls in game one against 91 Blue from going 3-0 in pool play.
If they are awful what are all the other teams not named Bandits?
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Truly awful
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Truly awful


There you go....another positive voice in youth lacrosse.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Bandits are an excellent team; their skills are top notch and reflective of the amount of time they invest in the game at such a young age. I watched the Brotherly Love vs Bandits (split squad) which Bandits won 5-4 and I have to say that BL looked awful, they looked like a field team trying to play box and didn't even put a shot on goal until 7 minutes had expired. That's embarrassing. Now that being said here was the difference in the two teams.
Bandits: Elite stick skills and precision execution of the box game.
Brotherly Love: No clue on how to play box but clearly the more athletic and faster team. They had 3-4 kids that looked like attack type skill sets, the rest shouldn't be playing box and were obviously defenseman or middies used to running by people to get their goals.

However "Gloating Parent" from Long Island what does strike me about the 91 Bandits is very little speed and athleticism and a ton of undersized kids. The reality is the insane amount of time and money invested into youth lacrosse will yield very little return for the majority of you. Sure there may be a Connor Cannizzaro amongst the Bandit Team but I didn't see him if there was. If BL 2023 is the best Philly Team and my understanding is they are they are clearly the more athletic team and at the end of they day individual kids on BL will eventually catch the 91 kids and ultimately have more successful lacrosse careers. I don't doubt that 91 players will go on and have success; however, the majority of them will end up as burnt out college kids reminiscing about their glory days from when they were in 5th and 6th grade. You are kidding yourself if you think the undersized kids that I saw are going to be able to play collegiate lacrosse at a D1 Level. The Jordan Wolf's and the Joey Sankeys are the minority, size matters.
But in fairness Kudos to the 91 teams and their brand. They have done a remarkable job in developing skillsets and elevating the you game.


Wonderful back handed compliment.
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At least he/she understands lacrosse not like most of these fools which includes most youth coaches and parents that can see what REALLY is going on out on the field
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Bandits are an excellent team; their skills are top notch and reflective of the amount of time they invest in the game at such a young age. I watched the Brotherly Love vs Bandits (split squad) which Bandits won 5-4 and I have to say that BL looked awful, they looked like a field team trying to play box and didn't even put a shot on goal until 7 minutes had expired. That's embarrassing. Now that being said here was the difference in the two teams.
Bandits: Elite stick skills and precision execution of the box game.
Brotherly Love: No clue on how to play box but clearly the more athletic and faster team. They had 3-4 kids that looked like attack type skill sets, the rest shouldn't be playing box and were obviously defenseman or middies used to running by people to get their goals.

However "Gloating Parent" from Long Island what does strike me about the 91 Bandits is very little speed and athleticism and a ton of undersized kids. The reality is the insane amount of time and money invested into youth lacrosse will yield very little return for the majority of you. Sure there may be a Connor Cannizzaro amongst the Bandit Team but I didn't see him if there was. If BL 2023 is the best Philly Team and my understanding is they are they are clearly the more athletic team and at the end of they day individual kids on BL will eventually catch the 91 kids and ultimately have more successful lacrosse careers. I don't doubt that 91 players will go on and have success; however, the majority of them will end up as burnt out college kids reminiscing about their glory days from when they were in 5th and 6th grade. You are kidding yourself if you think the undersized kids that I saw are going to be able to play collegiate lacrosse at a D1 Level. The Jordan Wolf's and the Joey Sankeys are the minority, size matters.
But in fairness Kudos to the 91 teams and their brand. They have done a remarkable job in developing skillsets and elevating the you game.


Wonderful back handed compliment.


And how much will it pay off for you ultra athletic on the rise superstars? Coach already promising your payoff in the way of full rides? You have a long way to go in a full field game against those slow pokes. And this is coming from a li guy who hates 91.
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Your a jerkoff. Tons and tons of undersized kids doing very well in college lacrosse. Grant ament. Is five foot 9. 6 goals on Saturday. That said all the big kids can gladly take spots on Syracuse taking basket weaving and underwater fire prevention while the smaller kids fill up the Nescac schools and actually come out of college employable beyond coaching lacrosse at the newest travel programs
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Just read this I don't thinks it's a backhanded compliment at all, but more a realistic view of the new landscape of lacrosse. Our local public high school has only 2 kids starting under 6ft tall. Like all sports the athletes are getting bigger, faster and stronger. The good thing is the game is exploading in popularity and the natural evolution is the 5'7 130 pound kids will start to be weeded out at the higher levels much faster than in the past...
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Your a jerkoff. Tons and tons of undersized kids doing very well in college lacrosse. Grant ament. Is five foot 9. 6 goals on Saturday. That said all the big kids can gladly take spots on Syracuse taking basket weaving and underwater fire prevention while the smaller kids fill up the Nescac schools and actually come out of college employable beyond coaching lacrosse at the newest travel programs


I am going to guess you are about 5ft 5 inches....struck a nerve. Listen "Mighty Mite" in the future if you are going to cite a small player I would recommend not trotting out a Philly kid like Grant Ament to make your point. You should have regurgitated Connor Cannizzaro or is the list of small stars perhaps that short...Well anyhoo like the original guy state...and he is correct the numbers don't lie big and fast will always prevail, there are always exceptions as the Philly kid that you cited demonstrates. Nobody was talking about employment or pounding their chests about their curriculum vitae...easy little guy take a deep breath.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Bandits are an excellent team; their skills are top notch and reflective of the amount of time they invest in the game at such a young age. I watched the Brotherly Love vs Bandits (split squad) which Bandits won 5-4 and I have to say that BL looked awful, they looked like a field team trying to play box and didn't even put a shot on goal until 7 minutes had expired. That's embarrassing. Now that being said here was the difference in the two teams.
Bandits: Elite stick skills and precision execution of the box game.
Brotherly Love: No clue on how to play box but clearly the more athletic and faster team. They had 3-4 kids that looked like attack type skill sets, the rest shouldn't be playing box and were obviously defenseman or middies used to running by people to get their goals.

However "Gloating Parent" from Long Island what does strike me about the 91 Bandits is very little speed and athleticism and a ton of undersized kids. The reality is the insane amount of time and money invested into youth lacrosse will yield very little return for the majority of you. Sure there may be a Connor Cannizzaro amongst the Bandit Team but I didn't see him if there was. If BL 2023 is the best Philly Team and my understanding is they are they are clearly the more athletic team and at the end of they day individual kids on BL will eventually catch the 91 kids and ultimately have more successful lacrosse careers. I don't doubt that 91 players will go on and have success; however, the majority of them will end up as burnt out college kids reminiscing about their glory days from when they were in 5th and 6th grade. You are kidding yourself if you think the undersized kids that I saw are going to be able to play collegiate lacrosse at a D1 Level. The Jordan Wolf's and the Joey Sankeys are the minority, size matters.
But in fairness Kudos to the 91 teams and their brand. They have done a remarkable job in developing skillsets and elevating the you game.


You Clearly didn't watch the Bandit Orange team play! If you were looking for that speed it was with the orange team. They took our kids to the shed. Blowing by our boys. As our coaches were subbing at the wrong time Bandits Orange was running perfectly executed breaks The Orange Bandit team was at a different level than I've seen in this age group. It was the first thing my son said after the game. Tremendous skill and athleticism
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Bandits are an excellent team; their skills are top notch and reflective of the amount of time they invest in the game at such a young age. I watched the Brotherly Love vs Bandits (split squad) which Bandits won 5-4 and I have to say that BL looked awful, they looked like a field team trying to play box and didn't even put a shot on goal until 7 minutes had expired. That's embarrassing. Now that being said here was the difference in the two teams.
Bandits: Elite stick skills and precision execution of the box game.
Brotherly Love: No clue on how to play box but clearly the more athletic and faster team. They had 3-4 kids that looked like attack type skill sets, the rest shouldn't be playing box and were obviously defenseman or middies used to running by people to get their goals.

However "Gloating Parent" from Long Island what does strike me about the 91 Bandits is very little speed and athleticism and a ton of undersized kids. The reality is the insane amount of time and money invested into youth lacrosse will yield very little return for the majority of you. Sure there may be a Connor Cannizzaro amongst the Bandit Team but I didn't see him if there was. If BL 2023 is the best Philly Team and my understanding is they are they are clearly the more athletic team and at the end of they day individual kids on BL will eventually catch the 91 kids and ultimately have more successful lacrosse careers. I don't doubt that 91 players will go on and have success; however, the majority of them will end up as burnt out college kids reminiscing about their glory days from when they were in 5th and 6th grade. You are kidding yourself if you think the undersized kids that I saw are going to be able to play collegiate lacrosse at a D1 Level. The Jordan Wolf's and the Joey Sankeys are the minority, size matters.
But in fairness Kudos to the 91 teams and their brand. They have done a remarkable job in developing skillsets and elevating the you game.


You Clearly didn't watch the Bandit Orange team play! If you were looking for that speed it was with the orange team. They took our kids to the shed. Blowing by our boys. As our coaches were subbing at the wrong time Bandits Orange was running perfectly executed breaks The Orange Bandit team was at a different level than I've seen in this age group. It was the first thing my son said after the game. Tremendous skill and athleticism


Can't argue with that. If the Bandits are at a tournament, parity didn't show up. With a seemingly unlimited amount of resources and a commitment to exploiting them the Bandits ensure a lopsided and boring game more often than not. But, while your kids team gets crushed, consider the financial and time resources and sacrifices those families and kids make to be the best. I'm not sure it's worth it and I question whether or not it's the childhood all of those boys want. I think I'm OK with what my team is doing.
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Orange, the little lax cyborgs from a galaxy far far away.They made the Bandit team of another color look like mere mortals. No doubt the Bandit Orange team was constructed to deliver the championship while the other Bandits and Warriors cleaned up the crumbs. I wonder how much play time the kids on the other Bandits squad gets when they head outdoors. So even within its own ranks, one stacked orange team is in a different league. When you distill an already great team down like this, add a MLL and D1 lacrosse coach, put a goalie in front of the net the size of Mt. Rushmore etc., the end result is a bad experience for kids on both sides. Just watch the Bandit kids yawn after their next win.
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Amen. If the goal is to be the best youth lacrosse player in middle school they are unparalleled but it seems to me their teams are not as dominant at the high school level. Do the kids move on, do they get burned out, does the club not focus on older boys just curious.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Amen. If the goal is to be the best youth lacrosse player in middle school they are unparalleled but it seems to me their teams are not as dominant at the high school level. Do the kids move on, do they get burned out, does the club not focus on older boys just curious.


You should see this Coaches older team Absolutely incredible
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Amen. If the goal is to be the best youth lacrosse player in middle school they are unparalleled but it seems to me their teams are not as dominant at the high school level. Do the kids move on, do they get burned out, does the club not focus on older boys just curious.


9d1's 2018,19,20,21 teams are all top 5 teams in the country for their respective year groups. The 2020 team arguably one best teams in youth lacrosse history.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Amen. If the goal is to be the best youth lacrosse player in middle school they are unparalleled but it seems to me their teams are not as dominant at the high school level. Do the kids move on, do they get burned out, does the club not focus on older boys just curious.


9d1's 2018,19,20,21 teams are all top 5 teams in the country for their respective year groups. The 2020 team arguably one best teams in youth lacrosse history.


Top 5 in the country is very respectable, but to the point of the other poster, it is not as dominant as the 2023 team. Seemed like a reasonable question to me.
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Anyone know how often they are practicing. That kind of precision has to be driven by a lot of practice.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know how often they are practicing. That kind of precision has to be driven by a lot of practice.


I talked to a few of the parents and they said 2x a week and play every weekend. The kids play other sports but lacrosse always comes 1st. I can't see how this won't burn 90% of them out by the time they reach HS.


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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Amen. If the goal is to be the best youth lacrosse player in middle school they are unparalleled but it seems to me their teams are not as dominant at the high school level. Do the kids move on, do they get burned out, does the club not focus on older boys just curious.


9d1's 2018,19,20,21 teams are all top 5 teams in the country for their respective year groups. The 2020 team arguably one best teams in youth lacrosse history.


Top 5 in the country is very respectable, but to the point of the other poster, it is not as dominant as the 2023 team. Seemed like a reasonable question to me.


Bueller?
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Their players stop playing club after they commit to college. On LI, the HS completion is very strong. Clubs are used as a vehicle for college recruitment. Once they commit, the club had set bed its purpose. Some stay on, but the majority don't.
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To the fella who is saying that BL could have beaten the Bandits, remember this: BL lost to the second string with a 5th grade goalie. Also, that small, slow, non-athletic team is a much better field team than box. And don't worry about the size, they're 11 and will continue growing. Phili is light years behind LI.
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They practice twice a week, they take off most of the fall for football. My son has practiced with them some. They focus on stick work in the off season. This group has been together since 2nd grade. They believe in BOX and that is why the stick work is so strong.
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They practice twice a week, they take off most of the fall for football. My son has practiced with them some. They focus on stick work in the off season. This group has been together since 2nd grade. They believe in BOX and that is why the stick work is so strong.
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Hey there. LI parent here. 91 is a very strong program at every level; however, their 2020 Crush team and their 2023 Bandit team are on another level. The coach is a lunatic (also coaches NY Lizards, the reining MLL champs, and Stony Brook Women's Lacrosse, currently #5 in the country) but he gets results. The team has probably swapped out 10-12 players since 2nd grade and always upgraded with 2 or 3 every season, so it not like they have all been playing together forever. LI has a very large pool of really good players and, with a few exceptions, he gets his pick every year. There are some very good kids that won't go there because they would be fighting for playing time.

I know some people were talking about cost, but the cost for the Bandits is no more than any other top-their LI team. You get what you pay for. Their are probably 25 options for club lax on the 2023 level. The top 10 all cost the same (aside from travel expenses... some travel more than others). But they all practice twice a week in fall and winter. I would say Bandits, Warriors, Express A, Shore2Shore and Igloo are the top clubs. Then you have teams like Leg a Sea, Empire, Outlaws, Express B, True Blue and Igloo B (new club) that are below them. Then there is a ton of new or smaller clubs that may be better fits for developing player and parents who want to play locally. All of those clubs, even the developmental ones, have good players. Most have st least one stud player.

You need to understand how crazy lax is here. People buy their houses and settle into towns based on their varsity lax coach/program. That's not even a joke! Phili has talent, but it's still new there. Every dad in your area is not getting his kid a lax stick for his 3rd birthday. Grandfathers aren't taking their grandkids out to their back yards to shoot 100 righty and 100 lefty.

As long as the boys are having fun, don't worry about wins and losses. If your team is good, like BL, Sons, Dukes, etc) and you're losing, then it means you're playing the right teams. That's how you get better. Bandits and Crush play up very often.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's rate the 2020 groups...

Sounds like something that would be great to do in the Boys 2020 forum.....
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What Philly league are the club teams playing in this spring?
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Usually NXT. Someone said that NXT had a falling out with fever and Fever pulled all of their teams out of the NXT spring league. The also stopped swapping tournament registrations this summer. I would assume that the NXT league will crash and burn after this year. It is really overpriced for a bunch of short blowout games. Most teams are better off just scheduling Sunday paydays against a couple of teams that are of a similar skill level.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Usually NXT. Someone said that NXT had a falling out with fever and Fever pulled all of their teams out of the NXT spring league. The also stopped swapping tournament registrations this summer. I would assume that the NXT league will crash and burn after this year. It is really overpriced for a bunch of short blowout games. Most teams are better off just scheduling Sunday paydays against a couple of teams that are of a similar skill level.


I couldn't agree more.
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Moving to Philly area this summer. In the Main Line area it looks like Radnor is strong in public schools. Are there other good high school Lax programs? I would have thought Lower Merion schools might be stronger? Do the better players go to Haverford, Malvern Prep, etc.?
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Haverford and Malvern are by far the top lax schools. Radnor and Conestoga are really strong programs.
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Anyone notice why Dukes changed their practice location for the Nationals teams this past weekend the week before?
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His brother coaches there?
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No idea. But despite the rain, it was a great experience for my son. This model is not for everyone. But it's a great learning experience for these kids
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Earliest commit ever. 2021 to Maryland
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Sad that these coaches are pursuing kids this young. The system is broken. Too bad the adults in the equation (college coaches, club director, parents) can't show some restraint here.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Earliest commit ever. 2021 to Maryland


Earliest boys commit. Bunch of 2021 girls committed already.
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Funny not even the best player on his req team either. The system is beyond flawed kids locally getting recruited by big time schools and they might not even see the field for there HS teams.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Funny not even the best player on his req team either. The system is beyond flawed kids locally getting recruited by big time schools and they might not even see the field for there HS teams.


They are being sold by parents and coaches more than they're being recruited. It happened with the LI 2021 girl going to Penn State. Dad was a football coach of some big time player and networked his way to getting his daughter committed. Can't wait till NCAA does away with this nonsense next month.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Funny not even the best player on his req team either. The system is beyond flawed kids locally getting recruited by big time schools and they might not even see the field for there HS teams.
He doesn't play rec. He obviously is one of the top in the nation.
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He played for Coventry and if it was my choice I would take the pole from that team. He is the second best player on his rec team.
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exactly...that is what is comical about the early recruiting.
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I 100% agree that some (not all) of the earliest recruits are being sold. There is one in the 2020 class that is average at best. I will be very curious to see how things turn out for them. I actually feel bad for the kids (and that is what they are) they have zero idea what it is they are "committing" to. I am sure I will get bashed for that comment and people will say how wonderful that their dreams are being met and all of their "hard work" is paying off, but there is no way a kid that has never even played a minute of varsity, and has zero HS credits can make a decision about what college they want to attend. IMO some parents have pushed this on their kids since they were little and the kid has had zero choice in the matter
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Agree 100%.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
He played for Coventry and if it was my choice I would take the pole from that team. He is the second best player on his rec team.

Good thing its not your choice. I'm sure D1 coaches that are top in the Nation know what they are doing. Surprised they didn't consult you.
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Okay "TAD" isn't even the best kid in Philly com'n now just overzealous dad you know it . I am going to guess the pole didn't play for Sons...
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Who does your kid play for??
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My kid play for Freedom, what does that have anything to do with it.
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Spanos is a nice player. I don't think elite. My kid is a year younger than him. I do think that he stood out more when he was younger. There was a time no doubt that he really "jumped" off the field with skills and ability. But kids get passed as they hit puberty, get more touches, work on their game. There are a lot of kids that are really good when they are younger because they have a parent that put a stick in their hands in the delivery room. Then invariably other kids catch up with them that perhaps don't start until 5/6/7 for example.

No knock on the kid at all, congratulations to him and his family if that was their goal.

I just think it makes no sense to bank on these kids when they are in 8th grade. You can't even really bank on these kids, junior or senior year in high school let alone 8th grade.

Look at the kid from Syracuse that was the Number #1 Recruit and donned #22 talk... about underperforming and not living up to the hype. the whole thing is a crap shoot and throwing the dice in 8th grade isn't a table I would step up to.
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Plays for Mesa, probably their best player, on a team that's very competitive
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Doesn't he play for Rising Sons
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Doesn't he play for Rising Sons


his highlight video shows in played for koopers in MD last spring/summer. Seems like it would be a crazy travel burden although JHU HC has kids on that team so maybe he wanted to get seen by DP. Apparently switched to RS last fall.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Doesn't he play for Rising Sons


his highlight video shows in played for koopers in MD last spring/summer. Seems like it would be a crazy travel burden although JHU HC has kids on that team so maybe he wanted to get seen by DP. Apparently switched to RS last fall.

Highlights are a combination of koopers and rising sons. He played with rising sons for a couple years and then left one summer when their 2021's disbanded and then came back.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Doesn't he play for Rising Sons


his highlight video shows in played for koopers in MD last spring/summer. Seems like it would be a crazy travel burden although JHU HC has kids on that team so maybe he wanted to get seen by DP. Apparently switched to RS last fall.

Highlights are a combination of koopers and rising sons. He played with rising sons for a couple years and then left one summer when their 2021's disbanded and then came back.


RS 2021 never disbanded, there were lots of parents on the team that were dissatisfied and basically that whole team left, the original RS 2021 team was really good. Then they all left and were replaced with other players, not quite as good, but decent players none the less. The boy in question also spent some time playing for Igloo on Long Island. Both that and Koopers are crazy commutes, makes you wonder why anyone would want to do that
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Yeah why when the 21 Mesa team is loaded? Could it be your parent is a total whack job?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yeah why when the 21 Mesa team is loaded? Could it be your parent is a total whack job?
Seems to have worked out and I think Sons beat Mesa and tied Igloo with the lesser players.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
He played for Coventry and if it was my choice I would take the pole from that team. He is the second best player on his rec team.

The Wookie!
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They should bring back the wookies.....Small rosters and dirt cheap.
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Tad you're a total [lacrosse]
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What makes you call him that ? He has brought another elite program to the Philly area which was needed in this stale market of lacrosse. His program has been second to none for training and experience. Why all the hate ?
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I think its more the way he did it. Any guy that would cheat in a local league when he already had the best team should tell you all you need to know...
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Rising Sons' training programs year round are tops in Philly. Just look at the coaching staffs and go watch a practice then maybe you haters will understand. Ultimately that's what its all about - developing skills in a positive environment. And one other thing you might want to remember - the D1 coaches agree and are recognizing the lacrosse IQ and skill of these Sons.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rising Sons' training programs year round are tops in Philly. Just look at the coaching staffs and go watch a practice then maybe you haters will understand. Ultimately that's what its all about - developing skills in a positive environment. And one other thing you might want to remember - the D1 coaches agree and are recognizing the lacrosse IQ and skill of these Sons.



Honesty is not hate, they cheated at NXT when they already had the best team...that point aside if the program is so great why is it a few years if not less from going away?
And for 3k for a 2023 the training better be great....
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rising Sons' training programs year round are tops in Philly. Just look at the coaching staffs and go watch a practice then maybe you haters will understand. Ultimately that's what its all about - developing skills in a positive environment. And one other thing you might want to remember - the D1 coaches agree and are recognizing the lacrosse IQ and skill of these Sons.



Honesty is not hate, they cheated at NXT when they already had the best team...that point aside if the program is so great why is it a few years if not less from going away?
And for 3k for a 2023 the training better be great....
I believe its $2200 for 4 seasons all in.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rising Sons' training programs year round are tops in Philly. Just look at the coaching staffs and go watch a practice then maybe you haters will understand. Ultimately that's what its all about - developing skills in a positive environment. And one other thing you might want to remember - the D1 coaches agree and are recognizing the lacrosse IQ and skill of these Sons.



Honesty is not hate, they cheated at NXT when they already had the best team...that point aside if the program is so great why is it a few years if not less from going away?
And for 3k for a 2023 the training better be great....
Do you know how silly you are for making that your reference. Go look in a mirror
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I just read what he wrote what is silly about it? It seems to be a legit question...if the program is so great why is it folding?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I just read what he wrote what is silly about it? It seems to be a legit question...if the program is so great why is it folding?

Good question, I heard rising sons is the biggest daddy ball team around. King rising son didn't even play lacrosse himself, but he will be quick to tell you what an amazing coach he is.
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so I'm guessing either you son was CUT from the sons team , or his team was beaten by a sons team for you to be so bitter. He hasn't played the game , but we I have coached against a bunch that have and that doesn't seem to matter!!!!
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It does matter.

You can get away at youth lacrosse or really any youth sport having not played the game. But the level we are talking about on this forum which is elite club level you need to have played the game. Can you be an assistant, or run the box...yes. But HC or Coordinator no.

Let me put it to you this way would you take lessons from a golf pro that never played the game and couldn't break a 100....take swimming lessons from someone that would drown if thrown into the pool.... or hire a personal trainer that is grossly obese and out of shape.

Put down the pipe and stop smoking
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
It does matter.

You can get away at youth lacrosse or really any youth sport having not played the game. But the level we are talking about on this forum which is elite club level you need to have played the game. Can you be an assistant, or run the box...yes. But HC or Coordinator no.

Let me put it to you this way would you take lessons from a golf pro that never played the game and couldn't break a 100....take swimming lessons from someone that would drown if thrown into the pool.... or hire a personal trainer that is grossly obese and out of shape.

Put down the pipe and stop smoking
You mean this baseball guy?

Head Coach Mike Daly has led the Tufts University Men's Lacrosse program to three NCAA Championship titles, including the last two (2014, 2015). Under his direction, the Jumbos are one of the most successful programs in the country year in and year out.Tufts has also won six consecutive New England Small College Athletic Conference (NESCAC) titles under Coach Daly. He is a three-time NESCAC Co-Coach of the Year, including 2014, 2007 and 2004.Now in his 18th season as leader of the Jumbos, Daly is the program’s all-time leader in coaching victories with a 224-80 record for a .737 winning percentage. He is among the top 10 active coaches for winning percentage and is in the top 20 for victories. Among all-time DIII coaches, he is in the top 15 for winning percentage and top 30 for wins.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
It does matter.

You can get away at youth lacrosse or really any youth sport having not played the game. But the level we are talking about on this forum which is elite club level you need to have played the game. Can you be an assistant, or run the box...yes. But HC or Coordinator no.

Let me put it to you this way would you take lessons from a golf pro that never played the game and couldn't break a 100....take swimming lessons from someone that would drown if thrown into the pool.... or hire a personal trainer that is grossly obese and out of shape.

Put down the pipe and stop smoking


The Rising Sons teams are decent in PA, but they rarely (even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then) beat top programs. Heck, they have even lost to PA teams. But king son will tell you how amazing they are any chance he gets. He is the kind of cheating and a cheap shot artist. I wonder if he still has videos posted of his kid taking cheap shots as a pee wee football player, he was really into that. I wonder if his kid even still plays football?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It does matter.

You can get away at youth lacrosse or really any youth sport having not played the game. But the level we are talking about on this forum which is elite club level you need to have played the game. Can you be an assistant, or run the box...yes. But HC or Coordinator no.

Let me put it to you this way would you take lessons from a golf pro that never played the game and couldn't break a 100....take swimming lessons from someone that would drown if thrown into the pool.... or hire a personal trainer that is grossly obese and out of shape.

Put down the pipe and stop smoking
You mean this baseball guy?

Head Coach Mike Daly has led the Tufts University Men's Lacrosse program to three NCAA Championship titles, including the last two (2014, 2015). Under his direction, the Jumbos are one of the most successful programs in the country year in and year out.Tufts has also won six consecutive New England Small College Athletic Conference (NESCAC) titles under Coach Daly. He is a three-time NESCAC Co-Coach of the Year, including 2014, 2007 and 2004.Now in his 18th season as leader of the Jumbos, Daly is the program’s all-time leader in coaching victories with a 224-80 record for a .737 winning percentage. He is among the top 10 active coaches for winning percentage and is in the top 20 for victories. Among all-time DIII coaches, he is in the top 15 for winning percentage and top 30 for wins.


Tad you aren't really comparing yourself to the Tufts coach, are you?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rising Sons' training programs year round are tops in Philly. Just look at the coaching staffs and go watch a practice then maybe you haters will understand. Ultimately that's what its all about - developing skills in a positive environment. And one other thing you might want to remember - the D1 coaches agree and are recognizing the lacrosse IQ and skill of these Sons.


When have the 2022's had a decent coach.
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My son is a mid level A player D Pole and shut Spanos down on multiple occassions. Is he good - YES, D1 - I think so BUT is he sure fire to commit in 8th grade? No. That's all the poster was saying.
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You see this all the time with average field teams - Fusion, Tristare, BBL, etc - beating teams in box that man handle them on the field. I was at NXT and Freedom 2022 one of the best 2022 in the country should have lost to Tristate and gothe smacked by MD91 - outdoor they win both easily IMO.

Box is truly different and box first programs or box heavy programs beat better teams all the time. Add to that 91 2023 is a great field team too.
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You have no problem putting one young mans name out there, so who is this mystery defender? Inquiring minds want to know. C'mon dad you know you want to brag about him.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
You have no problem putting one young mans name out there, so who is this mystery defender? Inquiring minds want to know. C'mon dad you know you want to brag about him.


Not the original poster, but the committed boy's parents are the ones that "put his name out there"
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Is that the same MD91 team that just beat Freedom 22?
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As a High School coach who was recently made aware of this board I can say that this visit will be a one and done for me. Get over yourselves.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
As a High School coach who was recently made aware of this board I can say that this visit will be a one and done for me. Get over yourselves.

This board is the greatest thing to happen to the Philly LAX scene. Ever. Period. Get over yourself...
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And it won't be One and Done either...you will be back and sneak in with a pulled down baseball hat .... just like you do at the strip club that you go to...its like crack my friend...
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
As a High School coach who was recently made aware of this board I can say that this visit will be a one and done for me. Get over yourselves.

What did you think this was gonna be? Coaches talking about man up/down strategies? How to properly execute a ride? Running a gb drill for optimal coldweather warmup?
Come on man! This site is phenomenal and you'll be back. You're reading this right now contemplating weather you should reply now or after practice. Better get out to that field tho and get em ready for the season, broseph.
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take the kilt off Mary
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For the record that was one or two games. I personally think Spanos is a damn stud and a good kid IMO. No shade towards him.

I know my kids level and like I said mid A, kids like Spanos are AA. My point was more supporting the point that 8th grade recruiting is stupid.
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I did say 91MD won in box? Regardless my point is that outdoors I think Freedom 22 wins - not easily shouldn't have said that so I retract that statement.

BUT my stance is the same - box first teams beat great field teams indoor often. Its just a different game that takes getting used too. Its not as easy as walk in and start a box team and dominate.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
And it won't be One and Done either...you will be back and sneak in with a pulled down baseball hat .... just like you do at the strip club that you go to...its like crack my friend...


Absolute classic.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son is a mid level A player D Pole and shut Spanos down on multiple occassions. Is he good - YES, D1 - I think so BUT is he sure fire to commit in 8th grade? No. That's all the poster was saying.
1. No your son didn't. 2. Yes he sure fire to commit because he did.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son is a mid level A player D Pole and shut Spanos down on multiple occassions. Is he good - YES, D1 - I think so BUT is he sure fire to commit in 8th grade? No. That's all the poster was saying.
1. No your son didn't. 2. Yes he sure fire to commit because he did.


First I saw what I saw. Spanos had 1 goal over two games that I watched. Not a big thing it happens to every kid no matter how good they are. Kids like that teams plan for - should be flattered actually.

More important to clarify - no 8th grader is a "surefire" D1 player. I said sure fire commit so you used that to say "well he committed". You know damn well I what I meant and if not will spell it
Out - a lot can happen between 8th grade and College. Kids stop growing, skills don't get better, they burn out, etc so no 8th grader is a sure thing from a college perspective. Can they commit - YES but that doesn't mean they will ever play a second of meaningful college lacrosse. That's all my point was, and to be honest it wasn't really regarding Spanos at all it was meant for all the early recruiting going on.

Now like I said in another post I think he's a great player and will play college ball. So don't take it personal which you seem to be doing, probably Tad or his Dad. You should be proud he is a damn good player.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I did say 91MD won in box? Regardless my point is that outdoors I think Freedom 22 wins - not easily shouldn't have said that so I retract that statement.

BUT my stance is the same - box first teams beat great field teams indoor often. Its just a different game that takes getting used too. Its not as easy as walk in and start a box team and dominate.


Freedom '22 just got spanked by Annapolis Hawks.
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per usual...
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I did say 91MD won in box? Regardless my point is that outdoors I think Freedom 22 wins - not easily shouldn't have said that so I retract that statement.

BUT my stance is the same - box first teams beat great field teams indoor often. Its just a different game that takes getting used too. Its not as easy as walk in and start a box team and dominate.


Freedom '22 just got spanked by Annapolis Hawks.


I heard that down at Homewood Havoc - though that is irrelevant to what I posted. I know some Freedom guys and they have upmost respect for Annapolis Hawks.
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Whose your Daddy
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What is going on with the mighty Malvern Prep? Seems like what was supposed to be a National power house isn't even a power house in its own league
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is going on with the mighty Malvern Prep? Seems like what was supposed to be a National power house isn't even a power house in its own league


Well, they would be having a better year if they moved some of the freshmen up, they have some really good ones who could have helped this year
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I wonder who put out this comment
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First Fall tryout dates set and published
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I wonder who put out this comment


We are 'Penn State"
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I wonder who put out this comment


We are 'Penn State"
Nope
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hear those lions roar!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
hear those lions roar!



no doubt...who else would think a few 14 year old's playing against 18/19 year old's would really make that big a difference. We are not talking about Matt Moore...
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Inside Lacrosse just ranked Brotherly Love #7 U13 Team in the country. For a club that has been around for three years very impressive. Good luck to you guys. Don't see you breaking into the semis unfortunately or having a prayer chance to beat some of those teams but just to make the list. Kudos.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Inside Lacrosse just ranked Brotherly Love #7 U13 Team in the country. For a club that has been around for three years very impressive. Good luck to you guys. Don't see you breaking into the semis unfortunately or having a prayer chance to beat some of those teams but just to make the list. Kudos.



This has to be the funniest thing I have ever heard, "world ranking" U13 teams. Was someone drinking when they came up with this idea?!?!
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Uh duh!

You ever hear of marketing...I think Jake Seinfeld (Body by Jake, FitTV, MLL, WSYL) knows a thing or two about how to market something....let me guess your pissed because little Jonny isn't on the team and your club couldn't go because all the best players are over age.

You do know that they have International Teams coming to this thing as well. In fairness I think the rankings are off, personally, I think that Igloo and 91 should have been 1 and 2 but guessing that the organizers don't want to have two Long Island Teams in the finals like last year.... that is called market share and geographical diversity to to facilitate advertisers which falls under the auspices of marketing....$$$

I am going to guess that:

1. You failed out of college
2. You never went to college
3. You are the CEO and Founder of your own dog walking business

Go back to work
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Now that is the funniest thing I have heard....he got you dude.

What is the name of your dog walking business.

Rover on Over, Inc.

See Spot Walk, LLC

Wag a Tail Associates

Toasted...
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Uh duh!

You ever hear of marketing...I think Jake Seinfeld (Body by Jake, FitTV, MLL, WSYL) knows a thing or two about how to market something....let me guess your pissed because little Jonny isn't on the team and your club couldn't go because all the best players are over age.

You do know that they have International Teams coming to this thing as well. In fairness I think the rankings are off, personally, I think that Igloo and 91 should have been 1 and 2 but guessing that the organizers don't want to have two Long Island Teams in the finals like last year.... that is called market share and geographical diversity to to facilitate advertisers which falls under the auspices of marketing....$$$

I am going to guess that:

1. You failed out of college
2. You never went to college
3. You are the CEO and Founder of your own dog walking business

Go back to work

Actually, my son is on the team that won it the first year. There is no way I would say the are world champs
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uh well uh my son is Matt Rambo...yeah right dude...get back to work Spot needs to take a leak
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
uh well uh my son is Matt Rambo...yeah right dude...get back to work Spot needs to take a leak


FYI, Matt Rambo was not on that team. And, I will tell you the tournament in Denver is a great time and it is a huge carrot to play on TV, but if you think the competition there is great, you have another thing coming. Go for the experience, not because you think there will be great lacrosse played. And, to say that the teams that are going are the best in the world is laughable. But then again, we all know that today everyone gets a trophy whether they deserve it or not. So feel free to tell your son's team that they are the "7th best team in the world"!!
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Dimwit of course Matt Rambo wasn't on the team, this event started three years ago, I was pulling that out of my [lacrosse] just like you pulled "my son was on the team" out of your [lacrosse]. That would mean that your son plays for Team 91since they won the inaugural event three years ago and if there is one thing I have learned is that Long Island lacrosse parents think highly of themselves and if they won that game they would definitely anoint themselves World Champions.

So stop the pretense and the sham. Now tell me how a tournament that starts with Igloo, Team 91, the best teams on the West Coast, Arden, Long Island Express, Brotherly Love, and all the teams that didn't make it but were at the qualifiers isn't a top notch tournament.

This isn't a 2022 Tournament numb nuts it is a U13 Tournament. Enlighten us as as to the pinnacles of youth lacrosse that are NOT attending the event since that is your contention.

Let go of your ankles and go walk your dogs.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dimwit of course Matt Rambo wasn't on the team, this event started three years ago, I was pulling that out of my [lacrosse] just like you pulled "my son was on the team" out of your [lacrosse]. That would mean that your son plays for Team 91since they won the inaugural event three years ago and if there is one thing I have learned is that Long Island lacrosse parents think highly of themselves and if they won that game they would definitely anoint themselves World Champions.

So stop the pretense and the sham. Now tell me how a tournament that starts with Igloo, Team 91, the best teams on the West Coast, Arden, Long Island Express, Brotherly Love, and all the teams that didn't make it but were at the qualifiers isn't a top notch tournament.

This isn't a 2022 Tournament numb nuts it is a U13 Tournament. Enlighten us as as to the pinnacles of youth lacrosse that are NOT attending the event since that is your contention.

Let go of your ankles and go walk your dogs.


Not all lacrosse parents on LI are nuts, yes some are, but there are plenty of people who have a little humility. There is no such thing as world champions, and no such thing as rankings of U13 teams. But if it makes you feel better about yourself to say that your team is the best in the world, then I say "have at it". But, I will say, it sounds like you really need to get a life.
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Humility and Team 91please...I have a great life. However, you are missing the point. Of course anointing a team World Ranking at U13 is an overstatement...but read back a few posts and you will see that it is nothing more than a marketing tactic traditionally filled with superlatives, and that was my point. However, tell me how that list on insidelacrosse.com doesn't represent 80% of the best clubs out there. Of course there is only one MD team which is a bit odd but they are all over age anyway. If you have nothing better to do than wander around reading posts from areas other than where you live you might want to go punch your timecard as your shift is over and you can go home now. Perhaps you should get a life.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Humility and Team 91please...I have a great life. However, you are missing the point. Of course anointing a team World Ranking at U13 is an overstatement...but read back a few posts and you will see that it is nothing more than a marketing tactic traditionally filled with superlatives, and that was my point. However, tell me how that list on insidelacrosse.com doesn't represent 80% of the best clubs out there. Of course there is only one MD team which is a bit odd but they are all over age anyway. If you have nothing better to do than wander around reading posts from areas other than where you live you might want to go punch your timecard as your shift is over and you can go home now. Perhaps you should get a life.


The Diamondbacks are #3 on the IL list and finished in 6th place in their spring club league with the best of MD, VA, and D.C. None of the 5 teams better than them bought into the wsyl money grab. There are 3 legitamte teams in the list and they are all from Long Island. They will beat everyone but the other LI teams by 10 or more.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Humility and Team 91please...I have a great life. However, you are missing the point. Of course anointing a team World Ranking at U13 is an overstatement...but read back a few posts and you will see that it is nothing more than a marketing tactic traditionally filled with superlatives, and that was my point. However, tell me how that list on insidelacrosse.com doesn't represent 80% of the best clubs out there. Of course there is only one MD team which is a bit odd but they are all over age anyway. If you have nothing better to do than wander around reading posts from areas other than where you live you might want to go punch your timecard as your shift is over and you can go home now. Perhaps you should get a life.


The Diamondbacks are #3 on the IL list and finished in 6th place in their spring club league with the best of MD, VA, and D.C. None of the 5 teams better than them bought into the wsyl money grab. There are 3 legitamte teams in the list and they are all from Long Island. They will beat everyone but the other LI teams by 10 or more.


Yeah they thought is was a money grab that is why they didn't try to qualify. You can't try and qualify for a U13 event when 50% of your team is driving.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Humility and Team 91please...I have a great life. However, you are missing the point. Of course anointing a team World Ranking at U13 is an overstatement...but read back a few posts and you will see that it is nothing more than a marketing tactic traditionally filled with superlatives, and that was my point. However, tell me how that list on insidelacrosse.com doesn't represent 80% of the best clubs out there. Of course there is only one MD team which is a bit odd but they are all over age anyway. If you have nothing better to do than wander around reading posts from areas other than where you live you might want to go punch your timecard as your shift is over and you can go home now. Perhaps you should get a life.


The Diamondbacks are #3 on the IL list and finished in 6th place in their spring club league with the best of MD, VA, and D.C. None of the 5 teams better than them bought into the wsyl money grab. There are 3 legitamte teams in the list and they are all from Long Island. They will beat everyone but the other LI teams by 10 or more.


Yeah they thought is was a money grab that is why they didn't try to qualify. You can't try and qualify for a U13 event when 50% of your team is driving.



For whatever reason the wsyl competition is very weak compared to many other tournaments this year.
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The first one was real strong, last year a little less and this year many good 2022 didn't even try like Freedom, Mesa, Crabs, Hawks, etc. They are all playing in the 2022 National Championship or what ever they call it.

While none of them will admit it the reason is that the new age rules would have cut their 2022 teams in half and that pissed them off.
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This is circle jerk and we have been going around and around. This is a U13 tournament it is NOT a 2022 tournament. I for one applaud WSYL for sticking with their guns and keeping the Sept 1st cut off.

Give me a break, I just went to a tournament in MD and the majority of the 2022 Teams had kids that were obviously rec-lassed. Every team has a couple of kids that are big but if the whole damn team is three inches taller and 20 lbs heavier than other teams it is a mockery of sportsmanship. Stop pretending that all these 2022 kids are stud teams and stud players. The true litmus test about how good your kids is to ask yourself would he still "stand out" on a 2021 team. If the answer is NO, then you might want to up your monthly college savings commitment cause the fraction of a fraction of a 12.5 scholarship ... it ain't happening.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is circle jerk and we have been going around and around. This is a U13 tournament it is NOT a 2022 tournament. I for one applaud WSYL for sticking with their guns and keeping the Sept 1st cut off.

Give me a break, I just went to a tournament in MD and the majority of the 2022 Teams had kids that were obviously rec-lassed. Every team has a couple of kids that are big but if the whole damn team is three inches taller and 20 lbs heavier than other teams it is a mockery of sportsmanship. Stop pretending that all these 2022 kids are stud teams and stud players. The true litmus test about how good your kids is to ask yourself would he still "stand out" on a 2021 team. If the answer is NO, then you might want to up your monthly college savings commitment cause the fraction of a fraction of a 12.5 scholarship ... it ain't happening.


I wonder if changing the way College's recruit will stop the re-classing and holdbacks that all the MD teams do. Before it did make a difference, reclass beat up on younger kids and get committed. Now you reclass and all you get to do is just beat up on younger kids, if that is what you are into. The first time we went to MD I couldn't believe how big and athletic the kids were. After speaking to one of the MD Parents that was very nice he told me that 80% of his 2022 team was born is 2003. Our team only 25% was born in the late 2003.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is circle jerk and we have been going around and around. This is a U13 tournament it is NOT a 2022 tournament. I for one applaud WSYL for sticking with their guns and keeping the Sept 1st cut off.

Give me a break, I just went to a tournament in MD and the majority of the 2022 Teams had kids that were obviously rec-lassed. Every team has a couple of kids that are big but if the whole damn team is three inches taller and 20 lbs heavier than other teams it is a mockery of sportsmanship. Stop pretending that all these 2022 kids are stud teams and stud players. The true litmus test about how good your kids is to ask yourself would he still "stand out" on a 2021 team. If the answer is NO, then you might want to up your monthly college savings commitment cause the fraction of a fraction of a 12.5 scholarship ... it ain't happening.


They should have given some notice before changing the cutoff from 5/1 to 9/1 though.

Most teams are not U13 teams, so naturally it will be poorly attended.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
The first one was real strong, last year a little less and this year many good 2022 didn't even try like Freedom, Mesa, Crabs, Hawks, etc. They are all playing in the 2022 National Championship or what ever they call it.

While none of them will admit it the reason is that the new age rules would have cut their 2022 teams in half and that pissed them off.


7 of the 12 teams on the wsyl rankings (whatever that is) will also be at the national championship (representing 35% of the national championship teams).
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When is Big 4 HHH releasing the tournament schedule? Come on!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
When is Big 4 HHH releasing the tournament schedule? Come on!

Was just about to but now since you have schpilkus and are being a boob you will have to wait until Thursday.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When is Big 4 HHH releasing the tournament schedule? Come on!

Was just about to but now since you have schpilkus and are being a boob you will have to wait until Thursday.



What a Shmendrik

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Hey, why don't you take your skirt off and invite Freedom and Brotherly Love, Billy, or should it be Billie. When you going to stop ducking the better teams from Philly. Curious to see the schedule is Freedom 2022 and 2025 invited and Brotherly Love 2023 and 2024. Dude you are a disgrace glad to see your teams sliding into irrelevance.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey, why don't you take your skirt off and invite Freedom and Brotherly Love, Billy, or should it be Billie. When you going to stop ducking the better teams from Philly. Curious to see the schedule is Freedom 2022 and 2025 invited and Brotherly Love 2023 and 2024. Dude you are a disgrace glad to see your teams sliding into irrelevance.


Freedom and Brotherly Love should be there. It's as bad as igloo missing from NLF. Just not right.
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It will never happen..
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Yeah no chance HHH lets local teams beat on them. Fooling parents at the NLF events is a lot easier...
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Does anyone know why the only local team they invite is MESA? They seem to include teams with very shady reputations like CRABS, but none of the area teams
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
The first one was real strong, last year a little less and this year many good 2022 didn't even try like Freedom, Mesa, Crabs, Hawks, etc. They are all playing in the 2022 National Championship or what ever they call it.

While none of them will admit it the reason is that the new age rules would have cut their 2022 teams in half and that pissed them off.


This is the honest truth and the good tea,s skippING readily admit it. I know guys from freedom and Mesa that said examctly that - there teams are built on grade based model and the WSYL changed the cut off which impacted a ton of kids. So a lot didn't go and hey started the 2022 National championship instead.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The first one was real strong, last year a little less and this year many good 2022 didn't even try like Freedom, Mesa, Crabs, Hawks, etc. They are all playing in the 2022 National Championship or what ever they call it.

While none of them will admit it the reason is that the new age rules would have cut their 2022 teams in half and that pissed them off.


This is the honest truth and the good tea,s skippING readily admit it. I know guys from freedom and Mesa that said examctly that - there teams are built on grade based model and the WSYL changed the cut off which impacted a ton of kids. So a lot didn't go and hey started the 2022 National championship instead.


Honestly, young guns still has a great line up of teams. Other than the 3 LI teams that went out for wsyl, young guns has much better competition.
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They couldn't make it because of all the holdbacks . So your team wouldn't be good stop making excuses like the MD teams .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey, why don't you take your skirt off and invite Freedom and Brotherly Love, Billy, or should it be Billie. When you going to stop ducking the better teams from Philly. Curious to see the schedule is Freedom 2022 and 2025 invited and Brotherly Love 2023 and 2024. Dude you are a disgrace glad to see your teams sliding into irrelevance.


Freedom and Brotherly Love should be there. It's as bad as igloo missing from NLF. Just not right.


Private party
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hey, why don't you take your skirt off and invite Freedom and Brotherly Love, Billy, or should it be Billie. When you going to stop ducking the better teams from Philly. Curious to see the schedule is Freedom 2022 and 2025 invited and Brotherly Love 2023 and 2024. Dude you are a disgrace glad to see your teams sliding into irrelevance.


Freedom and Brotherly Love should be there. It's as bad as igloo missing from NLF. Just not right.


Private party


?
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What's the deal with Rising Sons now offering high school teams? Did TD burn his bridges at NXT?
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Do the math, the 2023 assistant coach is TS, D Cord at EA....now they can restart the program as the pipeline to getting into EA
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They also have 2020 tryouts TBD. Looks like the all hyped NXT 2020 team will be having another round of tryouts to fill those spots when the 12 bolt back to Sons
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
They also have 2020 tryouts TBD. Looks like the all hyped NXT 2020 team will be having another round of tryouts to fill those spots when the 12 bolt back to Sons

If that is true, that they are trying to field a 2020 team, I would be really shocked if the "12" would return. Too much crazy with Tad and part of the reason they folded is because he knew people were leaving because of his terrible coaching
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My bet is, TD doesn't know how to remove the 2020 team from the website, so he just put TBD for tryouts
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Sot do that mean TS and Tad are joining forces...now that is an interesting twosome. Throw in Bates...wow. Strange bedfellows
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Why would TD feed kids to EA if his is at MP
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What happened to the Mesa 23 team that played last weekend? Getting smoked at Crabs by teams they beat. Maybe too many guest players last weekend?
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PA Rough Riders looked really good at Young Guns this weekend. Made the playoffs and 1 goal from beating MD Rough Riders.
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How us the WSYL working out for BL?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
How us the WSYL working out for BL?


Lol!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
How us the WSYL working out for BL?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
PA Rough Riders looked really good at Young Guns this weekend. Made the playoffs and 1 goal from beating MD Rough Riders.


Mesa also looked really good. Had Hawks on the ropes before a last minut comeback.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How us the WSYL working out for BL?


Lol!


It's not about how well you do, it's about the experience.

Why do you care how people spend their vacations?
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Unbelievable experience. What is laughable is comparing this tournament to Young Guns or any other local tournament. Once in a lifetime the kids have had an absolute blast.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]How us the WSYL working out for BL?


Lol!


What is more laughable is the Freedom and Mesa Results for the kids that didn't field a team. Give ma a break can't even make the playoffs. LOL
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Unbelievable experience. What is laughable is comparing this tournament to Young Guns or any other local tournament. Once in a lifetime the kids have had an absolute blast.


Glad you're having fun and appreciating the experience, there are a million tournaments out there but this one is unique and you only get one shot at it...
Unless you're a total stud and can play up of course!
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The same people were saying the same about [lacrosse]'s Event in Tampa. The competition isn't the absolute best because they have to be the same age, but both great events.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Unbelievable experience. What is laughable is comparing this tournament to Young Guns or any other local tournament. Once in a lifetime the kids have had an absolute blast.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The same people were saying the same about [lacrosse]'s Event in Tampa. The competition isn't the absolute best because they have to be the same age, but both great events.

Wow! You sure do know a lot of people! Exaggerate much?fzez

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Unbelievable experience. What is laughable is comparing this tournament to Young Guns or any other local tournament. Once in a lifetime the kids have had an absolute blast.


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So did BL "field" a team? Or did it include Freedom and HHH?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]How us the WSYL working out for BL?


Lol!


What is more laughable is the Freedom and Mesa Results for the kids that didn't field a team. Give ma a break can't even make the playoffs. LOL

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BL 22 and 23's some freedom kids and Team Money Jake Bergey's son
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My friend from BL went to the World Series and this was what he said. The greatest lacrosse experience to date for their family. Beautiful state, wonderful venue, and top notch event. Fireworks after the game were unbelievable. He said that it was super expensive, but no regrets. His last comment, my son will remember that week for the rest of his life.

Plenty of people have panned BL for going and the actual event as second rate. He said the level of lacrosse for U13 was outstanding and that teams from California and Texas and other non traditional areas were very good.
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Tell your BL buddy I am glad they are winning games at the nxt cup. Remind that genius that older kids win games and they are a joke. See you at the country club.....
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Incoherent. Are you speaking in code?
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Looks like TD was working the sidelines hard at Philly Invitational this weekend. Idiot still doesn't get the rules, you don't go after players when they're playing for someone else, wait until the season is over. It will be fun to see RS come back, pretty sure he just burned another bridge with NXT after ruining their 2020 team, but just having him back to do dumb [lacrosse] will make it fun.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like TD was working the sidelines hard at Philly Invitational this weekend. Idiot still doesn't get the rules, you don't go after players when they're playing for someone else, wait until the season is over. It will be fun to see RS come back, pretty sure he just burned another bridge with NXT after ruining their 2020 team, but just having him back to do dumb [lacrosse] will make it fun.
Pretty sure he wasn't at the Philly Invite, good try, he was coaching a team at Patriot. Life is short, get a life.
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Shame on NXT, we you make a deal with the devil , you will get burned
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Looks like nxt didn't live up to its promises. Sons are back. Maybe hype knight will help.
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TD is a cancer to the lacrosse community.

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Shame on any of the parents who are teaching their kids that a commitment to a team means nothing.
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Commitment to a club team is completely based on the relationship of a player and his coach (or coaches). If NXT wasn't able to keep up the standard that the 2020 Sons were familiar with, the players should rise up and move on.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Shame on any of the parents who are teaching their kids that a commitment to a team means nothing.



You are a dumba$$.

Summer lax clubs only care about one thing. Your wallet. They could care less if you kid plays, has fun, develops, as long as the money keeps rolling in.

Who cares about commitment
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Shame on any of the parents who are teaching their kids that a commitment to a team means nothing.



You are a dumba$$.

Summer lax clubs only care about one thing. Your wallet. They could care less if you kid plays, has fun, develops, as long as the money keeps rolling in.

Who cares about commitment
Exactly thats why NXT just went to two teams per grade. $$
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NXT is going to 2 teams per age?
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NXT going to two teams per grade? At what grades?
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NXT had 2 teams before when they had the Bandits in the fold and it did not work well and they went their separate ways. Then they had Rising Sons as a feeder 1 year and it did not work. Nothing on their sites talks about 2 teams.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
NXT had 2 teams before when they had the Bandits in the fold and it did not work well and they went their separate ways. Then they had Rising Sons as a feeder 1 year and it did not work. Nothing on their sites talks about 2 teams.


So will their 2023 teams be a B and a C team now....or just play at those levels at their tournaments....
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it's time for the club hopping process to begin. it will be interesting to see how the teams that had early July tryouts teams fair against those in late August to September. Don't wait or you may not have a team!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
NXT had 2 teams before when they had the Bandits in the fold and it did not work well and they went their separate ways. Then they had Rising Sons as a feeder 1 year and it did not work. Nothing on their sites talks about 2 teams.

Their tryouts have Black and Silver
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NXT had 2 teams before when they had the Bandits in the fold and it did not work well and they went their separate ways. Then they had Rising Sons as a feeder 1 year and it did not work. Nothing on their sites talks about 2 teams.

Their tryouts have Black and Silver

The big question will be if they only do 2 teams in middle school or carry it all the way through starting with 2022
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NXT now adding Box only teams?
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The quality of all that is NXT is suffering. Teams are bailing on spring league. Tournaments are pretty much an assbly line of 20 minute running half garbage. Coaching and development of their youth teams is preety poor. They have to make their millions on volume not quality.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
The quality of all that is NXT is suffering. Teams are bailing on spring league. Tournaments are pretty much an assbly line of 20 minute running half garbage. Coaching and development of their youth teams is preety poor. They have to make their millions on volume not quality.




Or create a gimmick to push more teams into their events, this is F&cking ludicrous.

https://www.uslacrosse.org/blog/us-lacrosse-pilots-youth-club-rankings-system
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No, you need to check your facts! He was there and coaching. Up and down the sidelines like some kind of psycho telling everyone. About the Sons tryouts. Guy is a dummy.
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We all know who posted this! Only 1 guy would be smart enough to misspell night in 2 separate notes. Nothing better than proving Tad is responding supporting his disgraceful program.
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Always has been
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"Rise up and move on"? Spoken like, well we all know, the head Som himself. Heres how it went from what I know and what people have told me.
TD decided not to do HS teams
TD tried to merge with every program under the son, no one would do it.
TD met with NXT many times and then told all his kids to go there, told them how awesome it was going to be.
They forced a bunch of kids from NXT out as RS dumped their kids in.
Less than a year in and TD doesn't like how his boy is playing there and starts the propaganda machine again telling everyone how this is wasn't he thought it would be.
Best plan is to communicate with current team but of course he does his subversive planning again now ostracizing one of the biggest and best showcase and tourney organizers out there by taking all his kids back.
As usual he is now recruiting every kid under the sun again.
Oh yeah, he called NXT last weekend and asked to make a schedule change for Sunday and NXT said no. So he tries to steal their team and then asks for a favors. TD=not very smart=has 1 relationship at the college level=not liked=your kid will only be recruited if he's one of the best two on the team=doesn't understand basic defense=been caught cheating more than Tiger Woods
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Rising Sons 2020 has never won a meaningful game against any good team, never
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Rise up and move on"? Spoken like, well we all know, the head Som himself. Heres how it went from what I know and what people have told me.
TD decided not to do HS teams
TD tried to merge with every program under the son, no one would do it.
TD met with NXT many times and then told all his kids to go there, told them how awesome it was going to be.
They forced a bunch of kids from NXT out as RS dumped their kids in.
Less than a year in and TD doesn't like how his boy is playing there and starts the propaganda machine again telling everyone how this is wasn't he thought it would be.
Best plan is to communicate with current team but of course he does his subversive planning again now ostracizing one of the biggest and best showcase and tourney organizers out there by taking all his kids back.
As usual he is now recruiting every kid under the sun again.
Oh yeah, he called NXT last weekend and asked to make a schedule change for Sunday and NXT said no. So he tries to steal their team and then asks for a favors. TD=not very smart=has 1 relationship at the college level=not liked=your kid will only be recruited if he's one of the best two on the team=doesn't understand basic defense=been caught cheating more than Tiger Woods
I agree with Scott Lange
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Commitment to a club team is completely based on the relationship of a player and his coach (or coaches). If NXT wasn't able to keep up the standard that the 2020 Sons were familiar with, the players should rise up and move on.


Hey Tad - Keep this in mind when PSU drops a certain verbal for not keeping up the standard of a D1 prospect.
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Any philly teams doing Lake Placid?
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Looks like great comp today down in Maryland at Young Guns
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Tomahawks are playing out of their minds this Summer. Express seems to be hot and cold.
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There are multiple bad eggs in that crowd. Let's just say this will be the 2nd club bridge burned by one of his cohorts. Pulled the same crap with the 2019 crowd before he realized he needed to hold his kid back.
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Let's just say tha it was probably a pretty rough year for TD and his son. He has never had to earn any playing time on his own, because daddy has always handed it to him. Not to mention the fact that he had to actually pay to play at NXT. No wonder Tad is bring back the 2020 team. His son barely ever played for an entire year, that may be a pretty bitter pill to swallow.
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Yet he is going to PSU, how do you explain that?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yet he is going to PSU, how do you explain that?

Going to PSU and ever seeing the field there are two very different things. Not to mention, a "commitment" in 9th grade means absolutely nothing. Time will tell, but I will be very surprised if this particular commitment works out. I am also certain that after the year he has had, Tad is sweating it out. And to be honest many people I know have asked "what in the world did PSU see in that one?"
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Easy. Early recruiting swing and a miss by Tambroni & Co.

#Laceup

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It is really sad when grown men (assumption) comment on 15 year old boys. It is one thing to bash an organization or school but kids really should be off limits.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yet he is going to PSU, how do you explain that?

Going to PSU and ever seeing the field there are two very different things. Not to mention, a "commitment" in 9th grade means absolutely nothing. Time will tell, but I will be very surprised if this particular commitment works out. I am also certain that after the year he has had, Tad is sweating it out. And to be honest many people I know have asked "what in the world did PSU see in that one?"

So TD is bashing to anyone who will listen that NXT is not worth it, horribly run, and do not know what they are doing and can't get coaches to show at the showcases for 2020. He can do it better and that is why he is doing RS in high school because he can handle the 2 years for recruiting. Now it all comes out to be a big ploy because NXT doesn't show favoritism of who you are and where you are going. You have to earn it. Oh and TD no coach cares about the 2020 class with the changes. All the recruiting sites have said all the coaches are spending their time with the 18's and 19's. Buyer beware at RS daddy's are still coaching on the staff's
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is really sad when grown men (assumption) comment on 15 year old boys. It is one thing to bash an organization or school but kids really should be off limits.



Haha no way Tad. Lick my taint.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yet he is going to PSU, how do you explain that?

Going to PSU and ever seeing the field there are two very different things. Not to mention, a "commitment" in 9th grade means absolutely nothing. Time will tell, but I will be very surprised if this particular commitment works out. I am also certain that after the year he has had, Tad is sweating it out. And to be honest many people I know have asked "what in the world did PSU see in that one?"

So TD is bashing to anyone who will listen that NXT is not worth it, horribly run, and do not know what they are doing and can't get coaches to show at the showcases for 2020. He can do it better and that is why he is doing RS in high school because he can handle the 2 years for recruiting. Now it all comes out to be a big ploy because NXT doesn't show favoritism of who you are and where you are going. You have to earn it. Oh and TD no coach cares about the 2020 class with the changes. All the recruiting sites have said all the coaches are spending their time with the 18's and 19's. Buyer beware at RS daddy's are still coaching on the staff's

Don't you know that TD Is the best coach out there, and he is perfectly capable of getting every single kid on "his" team recruited?!? No one can do it better,I have heard him say it on the sidelines this summer. Anyone that buys that is as nuts as him. He is in this for one kid and only one, and that one didn't see the field at NXT, as much as he is accustomed to, so he needs to get back to daddy ball.
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I heard that moving forward all the sons will be required to practice with no less than ten (10) training laces at any given time. 1 on each wrist, 2 on each ankle, 2 on their stick and one woven carefully through each earhole on their helmet. Those that successfully practice with this set up with be able to advance to "Laced up Phase II" where a series of training laces will be woven together to create a Training Lace belt that will further their core muscle development.

Goalies will he lashed to a goal using no less than 48 training laces (a technique derived from the Gordon Bombay book for lacrosse coaches who didn't play lacrosse) and training laces will be tossed at them from various angles to work on toughness and eye-Training lace coordination.

D1 scholarships will be guaranteed for all.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard that moving forward all the sons will be required to practice with no less than ten (10) training laces at any given time. 1 on each wrist, 2 on each ankle, 2 on their stick and one woven carefully through each earhole on their helmet. Those that successfully practice with this set up with be able to advance to "Laced up Phase II" where a series of training laces will be woven together to create a Training Lace belt that will further their core muscle development.

Goalies will he lashed to a goal using no less than 48 training laces (a technique derived from the Gordon Bombay book for lacrosse coaches who didn't play lacrosse) and training laces will be tossed at them from various angles to work on toughness and eye-Training lace coordination.

D1 scholarships will be guaranteed for all.


What a trend setter! I wonder if all of those training laces will be included in their tutition!
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Lol classic
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So what is TD's end game with Sons now. A year ago did not want to do high school and could only field 3 middle school teams. Worked a deal with NXT to feed his kid there and others. Looked like they would be completely gone within 3 years. Now he changes course and wants to do high school because he did not like his kids playtime at NXT where he did not have daddy to play him the whole time. He is feeding a lot of BS to his parents now because in 2 years when his kid is done a lot of parents and kids will be left out when he decides to fold shop or broker another failed deal into someone else. it's like a broken record. if they can't field a team below 2023 this year they are finished. Hope your kid is not left hanging to dry in 2 years when you have no team and there are no spots anywhere else when all the high school teams are full. Total I am running a Club Lacrosse team for my kid only. definitely not someone I want my kids around. what happens when he sees no playtime at Malvern, going to get up and move to Episcopal. It's a smoke and mirrors game at Rising Sons.
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we should just have Rising Sons thread to bash. It may be temporary, but you get a few good years of laughs
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What program has the best and most qualified coaching across all levels, High School to Youth? Not talking a couple of teams, staffs from top to bottom.
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Either HHH or Sons

Freedom = daddy buddy ball
Mesa=washed up high school players with a few decent ones sprinkled in.
Rough Riders daddy buddy ball
NXT nothing special

I think fusion has a good crew but they are not the psycho competitive clubs like above.



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[quote=Anonymous]Either HHH or Sons

Freedom = daddy buddy ball
Mesa=washed up high school players with a few decent ones sprinkled in.
Rough Riders daddy buddy ball
NXT nothing special

I think fusion has a good crew but they are not the psycho competitive clubs like above.



Funny... but how do you support the crown jewel of daddy ball Sons?
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Not saying i support them but with 3 boys playing from 2025 to 2019 i can tell you that every club has daddy ball issues. The truth is if your kid plays the same position as the coaches kid....get the [lacrosse] out of there unless you kid is a true hammer. Middie it might be okay but attack fogo lsm goalie you have no chance againt jr.

Everyone does it. It is human nature
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not saying i support them but with 3 boys playing from 2025 to 2019 i can tell you that every club has daddy ball issues. The truth is if your kid plays the same position as the coaches kid....get the [lacrosse] out of there unless you kid is a true hammer. Middie it might be okay but attack fogo lsm goalie you have no chance againt jr.

Everyone does it. It is human nature


Made me laugh but you should've post that... which is good advice because ripping all the others and not Sons gives you no credibility when they are loaded with dads.

All of the listed clubs have great coaches, including dads (some dads way more qualified than the non dads)

Find a club that your kid fits in, we are lucky there are plenty of great ones in the area.
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Sons are trash, Tad is a very poor coach who never played or coached the game, they have a revolving door of "name" coaches but no one sticks, and they have just burned the bridge down with the biggest showcase event company out there.
Good news is that we all now have a lot more Tad to watch, it's like watching a car accident!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sons are trash, Tad is a very poor coach who never played or coached the game, they have a revolving door of "name" coaches but no one sticks, and they have just burned the bridge down with the biggest showcase event company out there.
Good news is that we all now have a lot more Tad to watch, it's like watching a car accident!

So what happens to Sons after the director's kid is gone (2020)?
Does it fold? Does he keep it rolling? Does someone else take it over?
I like the coaching he's bringing in but I'm leery about the organization folding.
I've talked to some parents who were there before and apparently the big names coach during the week but don't show to tourneys? Dads coach at tourneys?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sons are trash, Tad is a very poor coach who never played or coached the game, they have a revolving door of "name" coaches but no one sticks, and they have just burned the bridge down with the biggest showcase event company out there.
Good news is that we all now have a lot more Tad to watch, it's like watching a car accident!

So what happens to Sons after the director's kid is gone (2020)?
Does it fold? Does he keep it rolling? Does someone else take it over?
I like the coaching he's bringing in but I'm leery about the organization folding.
I've talked to some parents who were there before and apparently the big names coach during the week but don't show to tourneys? Dads coach at tourneys?


Don't even show to practice half of the time.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sons are trash, Tad is a very poor coach who never played or coached the game, they have a revolving door of "name" coaches but no one sticks, and they have just burned the bridge down with the biggest showcase event company out there.
Good news is that we all now have a lot more Tad to watch, it's like watching a car accident!

So what happens to Sons after the director's kid is gone (2020)?
Does it fold? Does he keep it rolling? Does someone else take it over?
I like the coaching he's bringing in but I'm leery about the organization folding.
I've talked to some parents who were there before and apparently the big names coach during the week but don't show to tourneys? Dads coach at tourneys?


Don't even show to practice half of the time.

TD is going to leave all those 21,22, and 23 parents out to dry. He won't be able to find them a team in 2 years. No bridges left to burn.
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Coaching is overrated. Give the kids training laces and watch them flourish #LaceUp
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Who wants to bet the training lace is being used in his tryouts with a table set up to sell it
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sons are trash, Tad is a very poor coach who never played or coached the game, they have a revolving door of "name" coaches but no one sticks, and they have just burned the bridge down with the biggest showcase event company out there.
Good news is that we all now have a lot more Tad to watch, it's like watching a car accident!

So what happens to Sons after the director's kid is gone (2020)?
Does it fold? Does he keep it rolling? Does someone else take it over?
I like the coaching he's bringing in but I'm leery about the organization folding.
I've talked to some parents who were there before and apparently the big names coach during the week but don't show to tourneys? Dads coach at tourneys?

This is 100% true, Tad coaches at the tournaments, he can't help himself and he has to make sure that his kid is in the entire game. He also truely believes he is the best coach out there so he sees nothing wrong with it. Anyone that goes with this option is fully aware of what they are getting into and clearly wants that.
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What is the obsession with the Sons???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is the obsession with the Sons???


No obsession, most of these posts are probably from Tad. Last year right now, this board was lighting up with "isn't NXT the best thing since sliced bread", all from Tad himself. No one really cares about their daddy ball team or the king daddy himself. But, when he posts on here it makes him feel relevant.
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When an [lacrosse] needlessly rips players from 2-3 local club teams so junior can get more playing time there is going to be some backlash.
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Saw something that Fusion is creating teams in Md? Don't teams wait until they have done well in the area were they started before branching out?
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I know they are starting up in Richmond, VA. Haven't heard anything about Md. Fusion should be very successful down in VA
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Why would they be? Or are you basing it purely on them making $$ as opposed to the level of talent they will put on the field.
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I am familiar with the lacrosse scene down in Richmond. Currently NL Greyhounds are the only legitimate club for the area and they are an up an coming club whose 2022's played well at Milton's event in July. Fusion has put together a good coaching staff and will compete with NL Greyhounds for the private school kids from St. Christopher's, Collegiate, Benedictine and Cape Henry Collegiate High schools as well as the best public school kids. Also will get some kids from Norfolk/Va Beach area as well. I am in no way affiliated with Fusion and I am certainly not promoting their brand. Just making the observation that the Richmond lacrosse scene has talented players and only one high level club team currently. If Fusion is the second team in the area, they should be able to get good kids to develop.
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I believe a Richmond Club beat Freedom 2022 at Hogan Summer Exposure in the AA Bracket and won the Championship so let's not look down on the lacrosse in the area when they beat the best Philly based 2022 team although it seems they no longer hold that title based on some observations here.
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I've been very impressed w Hype Night by NXT the past few nights.
The kids never stop moving. Bunch of reps. Coaches are engaged.
Pretty satisfied at this point.
Why does the NXT program not pull talent until high school? I'm impressed w the coaching for sure.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I've been very impressed w Hype Night by NXT the past few nights.
The kids never stop moving. Bunch of reps. Coaches are engaged.
Pretty satisfied at this point.
Why does the NXT program not pull talent until high school? I'm impressed w the coaching for sure.


I've been there the last two nights as well and have to say that I am extremely impressed also. This coming from a parent of another philly club
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I've been very impressed w Hype Night by NXT the past few nights.
The kids never stop moving. Bunch of reps. Coaches are engaged.
Pretty satisfied at this point.
Why does the NXT program not pull talent until high school? I'm impressed w the coaching for sure.


I've been there the last two nights as well and have to say that I am extremely impressed also. This coming from a parent of another philly club


NXT has always been this way. Organized and structured and teaching a team concept. Kids and parents get caught up in the wins and losses or we are "AA" team and forget about the development side because they assume winning equates to that. It's easy to take a bunch of Johnny "all-stars" and throw them on a team and win a bunch of games below 8th grade and requires no coaching. The questions is easy for a parent, do you see your kids improving each year as a player or are they doing things you have not seen from them before on the field? If so you are with the right club, if not find a new one.
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nxt=mediocre teams
nxt=mediocre coaching
nxt=mediocre uniforms
nxt=really hip cool office building
all paid for by hype night!!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
nxt=mediocre teams
nxt=mediocre coaching
nxt=mediocre uniforms
nxt=really hip cool office building
all paid for by hype night!!



Spot on there.....money making machine....lacrosse season is over give the kids a break. Parents please let them play another sport....
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
nxt=mediocre teams
nxt=mediocre coaching
nxt=mediocre uniforms
nxt=really hip cool office building
all paid for by hype night!!



Spot on there.....money making machine....lacrosse season is over give the kids a break. Parents please let them play another sport....

OP here
That's lame
You're a parent, stroke the check or don't
My kid is loving it
Agree w the all star thing
I've seen some pretty bad coaches take credit for some pretty great play/players
All good
I like what I see...
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Football season is here, and a welcome break from lacrosse!
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BL parent here who's kid attended hype night. I have no problem with a business trying to make money if the product is worth it, which this was. It's a free market, if you don't want your kid playing lax in August don't send them to camp.

Club lax in philly isn't a 0 sum game. Just because NXT put on a solid camp doesn't mean other club programs don't/can't.

I saw more than just "mediocre" coaching, and who gives a [lacrosse] about uniforms.

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What is going on, no Rising Sons tryouts tonight? Can't they get a team?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is going on, no Rising Sons tryouts tonight? Can't they get a team?

Huh?
Please clairify, TD
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is going on, no Rising Sons tryouts tonight? Can't they get a team?

Ruh-oh TD's having some trouble fielding teams. Not that he cares since he only needs it to work for 2 years. Too bad for anyone that plays for 2021 and below
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Was there supposed to be Sons tryouts tonight?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is going on, no Rising Sons tryouts tonight? Can't they get a team?

Huh?
Please clairify, TD

I would guess it means the numbers were light, if you put the above with the comment on the 2024 page.
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I'm a fraud - TD
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm a fraud - TD

you are correct
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Wasn't there supposed to be 2020 Rising Sons Try outs last night?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wasn't there supposed to be 2020 Rising Sons Try outs last night?

2020, 2024, and 2022 (makeup cancelled Monday)
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if you bought a training lace and used it at the tryouts you got a spot on the Rising Sons #training lace
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wasn't there supposed to be 2020 Rising Sons Try outs last night?

2020, 2024, and 2022 (makeup cancelled Monday)

There was no 2020 tryout, it was advertised but it didn't happen
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I'm sure their coaches had more important things to do.

Get used to it Sons 2020 players and families. Letdown #1 already on the books.

Have fun sleeping in the bed you made.
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There were over 50 at the '22 Sons tryout Thursday
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
There were over 50 at the '22 Sons tryout Thursday

Look at TD trying to talk up the Son's numbers
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TD is a complete idiot. Not sure how he can look in the mirror and feel good. There is someone turning in his grave...
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
TD is a complete idiot. Not sure how he can look in the mirror and feel good. There is someone turning in his grave...


Wow this board has sank to a new low.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TD is a complete idiot. Not sure how he can look in the mirror and feel good. There is someone turning in his grave...


Wow this board has sank to a new low.

Why is this a "low"
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Instead of Trump Derangement Syndrome we now have Sons Derangement Syndrome.. Where overbearing helicopter parents troll a lacrosse forum obsessed with the Sons Lacrosse Club because little Johnnie didn't make the team. Fret not, he will still make the high school team and still get a trophy, because everybody does these days.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Instead of Trump Derangement Syndrome we now have Sons Derangement Syndrome.. Where overbearing helicopter parents troll a lacrosse forum obsessed with the Sons Lacrosse Club because little Johnnie didn't make the team. Fret not, he will still make the high school team and still get a trophy, because everybody does these days.

The only helicopter parent involved in Sons is TD, the biggest one of all. Don't worry, daddy will coach the team, now you will play...
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Don't worry little Johnnie. I sure showed those Sons who rejected you. I ripped them up and down on a lacrosse forum board. lmao...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Instead of Trump Derangement Syndrome we now have Sons Derangement Syndrome.. Where overbearing helicopter parents troll a lacrosse forum obsessed with the Sons Lacrosse Club because little Johnnie didn't make the team. Fret not, he will still make the high school team and still get a trophy, because everybody does these days.

The only helicopter parent involved in Sons is TD, the biggest one of all. Don't worry, daddy will coach the team, now you will play...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't worry little Johnnie. I sure showed those Sons who rejected you. I ripped them up and down on a lacrosse forum board. lmao...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Instead of Trump Derangement Syndrome we now have Sons Derangement Syndrome.. Where overbearing helicopter parents troll a lacrosse forum obsessed with the Sons Lacrosse Club because little Johnnie didn't make the team. Fret not, he will still make the high school team and still get a trophy, because everybody does these days.

The only helicopter parent involved in Sons is TD, the biggest one of all. Don't worry, daddy will coach the team, now you will play...


List Tad, you are a total jerk, not sure why anyone wants to be associated with you. Karma has a funny way of making sure all things are right in the universe. There are plenty of things in this life that are way, way more important than lacrosse and wins. Too bad you have lost sight of that.
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The bigger question is how bad is NXT that TD got all of his kids to come back to RS?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The bigger question is how bad is NXT that TD got all of his kids to come back to RS?


The even bigger question is how that is going to come back and bite him (and his kid) in the [lacrosse]. How many bridges has he burned over the years? I would think the NXT coaches are pretty well connected.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The bigger question is how bad is NXT that TD got all of his kids to come back to RS?


The even bigger question is how that is going to come back and bite him (and his kid) in the [lacrosse]. How many bridges has he burned over the years? I would think the NXT coaches are pretty well connected.

You're forgetting one thing about NXT: they're pros
This is what they do for a living
I'm sure they wouldn't hurt kids based on the actions of one adult
I respect that organization and think they're above that pettiness
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The bigger question is how bad is NXT that TD got all of his kids to come back to RS?


The even bigger question is how that is going to come back and bite him (and his kid) in the [lacrosse]. How many bridges has he burned over the years? I would think the NXT coaches are pretty well connected.

You're forgetting one thing about NXT: they're pros
This is what they do for a living
I'm sure they wouldn't hurt kids based on the actions of one adult
I respect that organization and think they're above that pettiness

The college coaches keep in touch with the Clubs. It will be Interesting how Penn St will handle it. I am sure they will want him to explain why they change clubs. Makes one wonder if the whole move is so TD can continue to have direct contact with the coaches since he runs a club and just isn't a parent on the side. NCAA recruiting issues.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The bigger question is how bad is NXT that TD got all of his kids to come back to RS?


The even bigger question is how that is going to come back and bite him (and his kid) in the [lacrosse]. How many bridges has he burned over the years? I would think the NXT coaches are pretty well connected.

You're forgetting one thing about NXT: they're pros
This is what they do for a living
I'm sure they wouldn't hurt kids based on the actions of one adult
I respect that organization and think they're above that pettiness

The college coaches keep in touch with the Clubs. It will be Interesting how Penn St will handle it. I am sure they will want him to explain why they change clubs. Makes one wonder if the whole move is so TD can continue to have direct contact with the coaches since he runs a club and just isn't a parent on the side. NCAA recruiting issues.


Unfortunately his son probably won't be good enough to play at MP, let alone PSU...I am sure there are some bright parents associated with the 2020 team not sure how they can all be making the same mistake...
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Gotta think with a group that's played together for a few years that if 1-2 decide to go back to sons others follow simply because of friendships and to keep playing together. 4-5 of them were already committed so what do they care if Sons will be blacklisted out of the best events and have a lunatic steering the ship?

I have no dog in this fight as my kid plays for a rival club but I've always respected NXT's model and it seems to be working. Their youth teams have been second rate but there is no arguing their high school teams are as good as any in Philly and they've had no problem churning out D1 commits including some U19 / NCAA all American type players.

NXT gets what they deserve for dealing with this low life but by all accounts this looks like a "problem" TD manufactured to get his boys back together and not a reflection on NXT.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
You guys have some serious delusions. Nobody really cares. 10 kids leave 10 more show up with cash in hand. College coaches could care less. Either you can play or you cant. Not to mention college athletic departments overlook far greater atrocities than switching teams. Think penn state, hurricanes, lawrence phillips.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The bigger question is how bad is NXT that TD got all of his kids to come back to RS?


The even bigger question is how that is going to come back and bite him (and his kid) in the [lacrosse]. How many bridges has he burned over the years? I would think the NXT coaches are pretty well connected.

You're forgetting one thing about NXT: they're pros
This is what they do for a living
I'm sure they wouldn't hurt kids based on the actions of one adult
I respect that organization and think they're above that pettiness

The college coaches keep in touch with the Clubs. It will be Interesting how Penn St will handle it. I am sure they will want him to explain why they change clubs. Makes one wonder if the whole move is so TD can continue to have direct contact with the coaches since he runs a club and just isn't a parent on the side. NCAA recruiting issues.

That would make sense (from tad's perspective) I know he was totally bent of our shape with the rule changes. He was super annoyed that his son would not have contact for years. Then there is also the matter of him not getting playing time like he was used to at NXT. So daddy had to swoop in. I have heard that Tad also talks to the Malvern coaches every single day, he has them on speed dial for that matter. I guess he is trying to make sure he sets play time there too. Interesting that he wasn't even on the varsity roster though.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Stop talking about my kid! I made him the focal point of this whole mess but it's not fair if you all do! - TD
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That's not fair. The kid has an unlimited supply of Training Laces. I'd be surprised if he doesn't jump right to the MLL with those kind of resources at his fingertips #LaceUp
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's not fair. The kid has an unlimited supply of Training Laces. I'd be surprised if he doesn't jump right to the MLL with those kind of resources at his fingertips #LaceUp


Ok I'll bite. What's the training laces joke about?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's not fair. The kid has an unlimited supply of Training Laces. I'd be surprised if he doesn't jump right to the MLL with those kind of resources at his fingertips #LaceUp


Ok I'll bite. What's the training laces joke about?


Tad is starting a company and he sells these training laces. He tends to obsess over things and use the same hashtag on everything he does. For example he will post a picture of his daughter and then put #beaSon. Well now his new one is #laceup
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Looks like NXT dropped it's Chicago Clubs. Gone from the their site. The silence is the same as when they dropped Bandits a few years back.
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Who cares?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Imagine what a program would be if TD and Gonzo combined forces?
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They could be called "Gonzo and Sons"
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Dukes and Twist Lacrosse are now merging and are gonna practice out of Cabrini. Not sure how this is going to work out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dukes and Twist Lacrosse are now merging and are gonna practice out of Cabrini. Not sure how this is going to work out.

Has any Dukes merger worked yet, let go through then
Skyhawks+Dukes North=Out of Business
Team Philadelphia+Dukes South=Out of Business
Blue Moutain+Little Dukes BM=Out of Business

Where will twist end up?
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Hopefully the Twist/Dukes merger will work out for the kids sake. My son was a Dukes South player and the last season was an unorganized, frustrating, and a wasted summer season of lacrosse. Good luck!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dukes and Twist Lacrosse are now merging and are gonna practice out of Cabrini. Not sure how this is going to work out.

Has any Dukes merger worked yet, let go through then
Skyhawks+Dukes North=Out of Business
Team Philadelphia+Dukes South=Out of Business
Blue Moutain+Little Dukes BM=Out of Business

Where will twist end up?


Any ideas why those mergers failed? Seems like the Dukes/Twist merger is headed for the same fate. Dukes/Twist and Dukes Main Line are gonna be practicing 5 miles from each other. Doesn't make much sense to me
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My personal opinion and in all candor this is without data to support. These mergers are failing because the fundamentals are not there for the entities that are joining Dukes. All of the aforementioned clubs are struggling independently with rosters, financials, and brand. The Dukes mergers are lifelines from a once venerable brand which has lost some of its luster. Dukes has a lot more competition than it once did and we as consumers have choices. At one time if you were an elite high school player Dukes was the only option and frankly the best. Now a player can go to Mesa, Big 4/Triple H, NXT, and the list goes on. It is attrition, too many clubs and not enough elite players thus the product gets diluted.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Did NXT fold their 2020 team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did NXT fold their 2020 team?


Given that they had tryouts for the few opens spots on the 2020 team, I'm pretty sure the answer is no. NXT 2020 appears to be alive and well.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did NXT fold their 2020 team?


Given that they had tryouts for the few opens spots on the 2020 team, I'm pretty sure the answer is no. NXT 2020 appears to be alive and well.

They have not announced any of their rosters yet. In previous years they made a big deal about it and had it out after a week. Even the kids they added to the 2018 and 2019 teams last year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
No
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did NXT fold their 2020 team?


Given that they had tryouts for the few opens spots on the 2020 team, I'm pretty sure the answer is no. NXT 2020 appears to be alive and well.

They have not announced any of their rosters yet. In previous years they made a big deal about it and had it out after a week. Even the kids they added to the 2018 and 2019 teams last year.


They doubled the size of their club this year with multiple teams for each youth grad year. No surprise that they are behind on this stuff.
Anyone have thoughts on this:

uslacrosse.org/blog/us-lacrosse-pilots-youth-club-rankings-system
uslacrosse.org/blog/us-lacrosse-clarifies-selection-criteria-for-2018-nationals

What I don't understand is how does any team play in one of these tournaments unless they have converted from grade based to age based? NXT themselves is only going age based at their youngest level.

https://nxtlacrosse.com/blog/entry/...-to-adopt-us-lacrosse-age-segmentation-p

If my sons club has not adopted the age segmentation at any level, can we not participate in these tournaments? If we can, then I don't see how it changes anything other than driving more teams to these US Lacrosse compliant tournaments so that teams can be ranked and participate in the US Lacrosse Nationals (which appear to follow a U based format which then could preclude kids on qualifying teams?

To add, I support the age segmentation, I just don't see the path here.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Laxadelphia
Anyone have thoughts on this:

uslacrosse.org/blog/us-lacrosse-pilots-youth-club-rankings-system
uslacrosse.org/blog/us-lacrosse-clarifies-selection-criteria-for-2018-nationals

What I don't understand is how does any team play in one of these tournaments unless they have converted from grade based to age based? NXT themselves is only going age based at their youngest level.

https://nxtlacrosse.com/blog/entry/...-to-adopt-us-lacrosse-age-segmentation-p

If my sons club has not adopted the age segmentation at any level, can we not participate in these tournaments? If we can, then I don't see how it changes anything other than driving more teams to these US Lacrosse compliant tournaments so that teams can be ranked and participate in the US Lacrosse Nationals (which appear to follow a U based format which then could preclude kids on qualifying teams?

To add, I support the age segmentation, I just don't see the path here.


US Lacrosse will have egg on its face if it does not hold to its age requirements in its National Tournament. Can't preach one thing and do something different especially if you are considered the governing body
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Laxadelphia
Anyone have thoughts on this:

uslacrosse.org/blog/us-lacrosse-pilots-youth-club-rankings-system
uslacrosse.org/blog/us-lacrosse-clarifies-selection-criteria-for-2018-nationals

What I don't understand is how does any team play in one of these tournaments unless they have converted from grade based to age based? NXT themselves is only going age based at their youngest level.

https://nxtlacrosse.com/blog/entry/...-to-adopt-us-lacrosse-age-segmentation-p

If my sons club has not adopted the age segmentation at any level, can we not participate in these tournaments? If we can, then I don't see how it changes anything other than driving more teams to these US Lacrosse compliant tournaments so that teams can be ranked and participate in the US Lacrosse Nationals (which appear to follow a U based format which then could preclude kids on qualifying teams?

To add, I support the age segmentation, I just don't see the path here.


US Lacrosse will have egg on its face if it does not hold to its age requirements in its National Tournament. Can't preach one thing and do something different especially if you are considered the governing body


Ok, so as an example. NXT puts its 2023 team in a bunch of it's tournaments. They have 4 kids with summer birthdays. They garner enough points to make the national tournament. What happens? They can't play because their birthday isn't after the 9/1 cutoff?

I assume they won't keep those kids from playing in the qualifying tournaments, so how do they exclude them from the national?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Laxadelphia
Anyone have thoughts on this:

uslacrosse.org/blog/us-lacrosse-pilots-youth-club-rankings-system
uslacrosse.org/blog/us-lacrosse-clarifies-selection-criteria-for-2018-nationals

What I don't understand is how does any team play in one of these tournaments unless they have converted from grade based to age based? NXT themselves is only going age based at their youngest level.

https://nxtlacrosse.com/blog/entry/...-to-adopt-us-lacrosse-age-segmentation-p

If my sons club has not adopted the age segmentation at any level, can we not participate in these tournaments? If we can, then I don't see how it changes anything other than driving more teams to these US Lacrosse compliant tournaments so that teams can be ranked and participate in the US Lacrosse Nationals (which appear to follow a U based format which then could preclude kids on qualifying teams?

To add, I support the age segmentation, I just don't see the path here.


US Lacrosse will have egg on its face if it does not hold to its age requirements in its National Tournament. Can't preach one thing and do something different especially if you are considered the governing body


Ok, so as an example. NXT puts its 2023 team in a bunch of it's tournaments. They have 4 kids with summer birthdays. They garner enough points to make the national tournament. What happens? They can't play because their birthday isn't after the 9/1 cutoff?

I assume they won't keep those kids from playing in the qualifying tournaments, so how do they exclude them from the national?


Did Maryland or Pennsylvania win more games at the Roughrider Battle at the Border today?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
I think The PA Roughriders won more games than MD Roughriders
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
I think that both franchises are struggling to stay above the elite line.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think that both franchises are struggling to stay above the elite line.


PA wins: 2026, 2025, 2024, 2020
MD wins: 2022, 2021

No 2023 game due to no MD 2023 Roughrider team.

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think that both franchises are struggling to stay above the elite line.


PA wins: 2026, 2025, 2024, 2020
MD wins: 2022, 2021

No 2023 game due to no MD 2023 Roughrider team.



MD RR2022 team is a very strong.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think that both franchises are struggling to stay above the elite line.


PA wins: 2026, 2025, 2024, 2020
MD wins: 2022, 2021

No 2023 game due to no MD 2023 Roughrider team.


MD definitely won 2024 , 2026 was either a tie or MD win. 2020 PA looked very good.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
2025 Pa and 2026 Pa won
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Laxadelphia
Anyone have thoughts on this:

uslacrosse.org/blog/us-lacrosse-pilots-youth-club-rankings-system
uslacrosse.org/blog/us-lacrosse-clarifies-selection-criteria-for-2018-nationals

What I don't understand is how does any team play in one of these tournaments unless they have converted from grade based to age based? NXT themselves is only going age based at their youngest level.

https://nxtlacrosse.com/blog/entry/...-to-adopt-us-lacrosse-age-segmentation-p

If my sons club has not adopted the age segmentation at any level, can we not participate in these tournaments? If we can, then I don't see how it changes anything other than driving more teams to these US Lacrosse compliant tournaments so that teams can be ranked and participate in the US Lacrosse Nationals (which appear to follow a U based format which then could preclude kids on qualifying teams?

To add, I support the age segmentation, I just don't see the path here.


US Lacrosse will have egg on its face if it does not hold to its age requirements in its National Tournament. Can't preach one thing and do something different especially if you are considered the governing body


Ok, so as an example. NXT puts its 2023 team in a bunch of it's tournaments. They have 4 kids with summer birthdays. They garner enough points to make the national tournament. What happens? They can't play because their birthday isn't after the 9/1 cutoff?

I assume they won't keep those kids from playing in the qualifying tournaments, so how do they exclude them from the national? They already didn't adhere to the age guidelines with the girls side. NXT had Summer birthdays playing. US Lacrosse said they gave NXT 5 passes but didn't tell any of the other clubs those rules.

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US Lacrosse is grandfathering in existing teams. The only teams that will have to adhere to the strict guidelines of September 1st will be the 2027 group. That group has to be birthday compliant. The other teams older than them do NOT have to be compliant and are grandfathered. Bit of a weak methodology and my vote would have been to go cold-turkey like soccer did but the reality is that the landscape of competitive lacrosse is controlled more by the clubs than the governing body. Personally don't even see this really gaining a foothold as the Elite Clubs are setting up their own Tournaments and so they don't even really need US Lacrosse and can thumb their noses at the big tournament players. I think if you ask most elite clubs who holds the better tournaments it would be NLF and they don't need to change. US Lacrosse....Eunuchs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Laxadelphia
Anyone have thoughts on this:

uslacrosse.org/blog/us-lacrosse-pilots-youth-club-rankings-system
uslacrosse.org/blog/us-lacrosse-clarifies-selection-criteria-for-2018-nationals

What I don't understand is how does any team play in one of these tournaments unless they have converted from grade based to age based? NXT themselves is only going age based at their youngest level.

https://nxtlacrosse.com/blog/entry/...-to-adopt-us-lacrosse-age-segmentation-p

If my sons club has not adopted the age segmentation at any level, can we not participate in these tournaments? If we can, then I don't see how it changes anything other than driving more teams to these US Lacrosse compliant tournaments so that teams can be ranked and participate in the US Lacrosse Nationals (which appear to follow a U based format which then could preclude kids on qualifying teams?

To add, I support the age segmentation, I just don't see the path here.


US Lacrosse will have egg on its face if it does not hold to its age requirements in its National Tournament. Can't preach one thing and do something different especially if you are considered the governing body


Ok, so as an example. NXT puts its 2023 team in a bunch of it's tournaments. They have 4 kids with summer birthdays. They garner enough points to make the national tournament. What happens? They can't play because their birthday isn't after the 9/1 cutoff?

I assume they won't keep those kids from playing in the qualifying tournaments, so how do they exclude them from the national? They already didn't adhere to the age guidelines with the girls side. NXT had Summer birthdays playing. US Lacrosse said they gave NXT 5 passes but didn't tell any of the other clubs those rules.


9/1 is a dumb cutoff for boys. Should be 7/1 or 8/1. Most people with late summer boys held them, why age-based will never work and US Lacrosse will continue to give passes
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think that both franchises are struggling to stay above the elite line.


PA wins: 2026, 2025, 2024, 2020
MD wins: 2022, 2021

No 2023 game due to no MD 2023 Roughrider team.


MD definitely won 2024 , 2026 was either a tie or MD win. 2020 PA looked very good.


I just saw Roughriders are adding a Richmond club. It could be a 3 way battle next year. MD vs PA vs VA.


Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Box Season is upon us. How did Penn Lax tryouts go? NXT tryouts tonight and tomorrow
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Penn Lax went well. Good numbers. NXT will be NXT kids in box gear nothing more nothing less.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
NXT has the better coaching staff by far.
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Not what I heard - PennLax got a few good offense players but weaker transition and D. Neither NXT or PennLax are going to compete with 91, etc in box at this level. Not even sure either beats the Jr Wings. 2022 seems to be a bad year in Philly.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Saw NXT play at the PILC last year at 2021 and 2022 and they got smacked. 91 MD won the 2022 bracket beeting Eagle/Tristate and Annapolis Hawks in the playoffs.

Trisate beat PennLax at the 2021 level.

Saw NXT 2022 get beat by 10 by Tristate and 8 or so by Freedom.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
That’s a stretch PennLax is loaded with current and former NLL players as well
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not what I heard - PennLax got a few good offense players but weaker transition and D. Neither NXT or PennLax are going to compete with 91, etc in box at this level. Not even sure either beats the Jr Wings. 2022 seems to be a bad year in Philly.

The Fusion/Penn Lax guys used to be able to say they weren't daddy ball. Now it's not the case as TS took his kid and buddies for the 22/23 team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
What could go wrong with TS involved?

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not what I heard - PennLax got a few good offense players but weaker transition and D. Neither NXT or PennLax are going to compete with 91, etc in box at this level. Not even sure either beats the Jr Wings. 2022 seems to be a bad year in Philly.

The Fusion/Penn Lax guys used to be able to say they weren't daddy ball. Now it's not the case as TS took his kid and buddies for the 22/23 team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Dukes Nationals MiniCamp is a disgrace. Unprofessional, Unsafe, NO evaluation at all. 4 inches of snow. Can't see white balls, feet and hands frost bitten and right next door to an indoor facility. G just too cheap to pay or just too stupid and totally unprepared
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Fusion Winter Classic was a pretty good tournament, but they really need to train the refs to consistently call the games the same.

Some refs call it like a U7 game and 80% of the game is with one team or the other in man down. No one wants to play like that.

Other games only 1 or 2 calls were made.

Just be consistent from the first game on with all the refs and no one will complain.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Any predictions for this weekend?

https://www.tourneymachine.com/Publ...rnament=h2018020115085402020f9b0c09bd749

8th grade AA looks absolutely stacked
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any predictions for this weekend?

https://www.tourneymachine.com/Publ...rnament=h2018020115085402020f9b0c09bd749

8th grade AA looks absolutely stacked

where is 7th grade bl aa?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any predictions for this weekend?

https://www.tourneymachine.com/Publ...rnament=h2018020115085402020f9b0c09bd749

8th grade AA looks absolutely stacked

where is 7th grade bl aa?


Game times are a joke for the younger ages. 6:45 & 7:45 on Monday night. Should have put it over two weekends or gone Sat & Sun
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any predictions for this weekend?

https://www.tourneymachine.com/Publ...rnament=h2018020115085402020f9b0c09bd749

8th grade AA looks absolutely stacked

where is 7th grade bl aa?


Game times are a joke for the younger ages. 6:45 & 7:45 on Monday night. Should have put it over two weekends or gone Sat & Sun


Teams know how late the times go before they sign up. If it didn't work for them they wouldn't sign up
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any predictions for this weekend?

https://www.tourneymachine.com/Publ...rnament=h2018020115085402020f9b0c09bd749

8th grade AA looks absolutely stacked

where is 7th grade bl aa?


They've had a hard time fielding a team this winter. Not sure how that's going to translate into the summer. I doubt it will change much for them. They'll still be tops.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
BL kids are out dominating other sports this winter yup real multi sport athletes.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BL kids are out dominating other sports this winter yup real multi sport athletes.




Who cares??? This is a lacrosse blog... get a clue.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
They did ask were the 23 BL team was

The 24’s were busy getting smacked by BBl 7-0
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
After tying BBL in pool play...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any predictions for this weekend?

https://www.tourneymachine.com/Publ...rnament=h2018020115085402020f9b0c09bd749

8th grade AA looks absolutely stacked


The 8th grade bracket was a brutal set of games. Tons of great teams just pounding on each other. 91 took it home but BBL, Igloo, etc all played well.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They did ask were the 23 BL team was

The 24’s were busy getting smacked by BBl 7-0


Reading too much into it my friend, love how people love to gloat. The reality is that Brotherly Love doesn't do Box well. The club owners even acknowledge it and they need to make a decision on either going all in on box or just doing it for fun. BBL was a very good box team and they obviously train as a box team. These field teams thinking that they are AA in Box because they are AA in Field just doesn't hold up. My understanding is that our best 2023 team Zeus had to pull out because they couldn't even field a team for the tourney. It really is painful to watch these field players trying to play box. It is a game that is not kind to players without the stick skills.

I do think that once the Wings start playing next season these kids are going to get more into box. It is a shame as I think it is the better game of the two.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Agreed. BBL had some big kids who were a handful in box but might struggle running up and down a field all day...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They did ask were the 23 BL team was

The 24’s were busy getting smacked by BBl 7-0


Reading too much into it my friend, love how people love to gloat. The reality is that Brotherly Love doesn't do Box well. The club owners even acknowledge it and they need to make a decision on either going all in on box or just doing it for fun. BBL was a very good box team and they obviously train as a box team. These field teams thinking that they are AA in Box because they are AA in Field just doesn't hold up. My understanding is that our best 2023 team Zeus had to pull out because they couldn't even field a team for the tourney. It really is painful to watch these field players trying to play box. It is a game that is not kind to players without the stick skills.

I do think that once the Wings start playing next season these kids are going to get more into box. It is a shame as I think it is the better game of the two.


Very good points. How about the 91MD 24s.. kids had more hair on their legs than some of the BL dads.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They did ask were the 23 BL team was

The 24’s were busy getting smacked by BBl 7-0


Reading too much into it my friend, love how people love to gloat. The reality is that Brotherly Love doesn't do Box well. The club owners even acknowledge it and they need to make a decision on either going all in on box or just doing it for fun. BBL was a very good box team and they obviously train as a box team. These field teams thinking that they are AA in Box because they are AA in Field just doesn't hold up. My understanding is that our best 2023 team Zeus had to pull out because they couldn't even field a team for the tourney. It really is painful to watch these field players trying to play box. It is a game that is not kind to players without the stick skills.

I do think that once the Wings start playing next season these kids are going to get more into box. It is a shame as I think it is the better game of the two.


Very good points. How about the 91MD 24s.. kids had more hair on their legs than some of the BL dads.

Yawn. Will we ever get past the fact that some kids have genes that make them bigger and hairier sooner? And the hold back debate is tired as well.
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Funny because the BL Zeus team has plastered the team page with box pictures.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They did ask were the 23 BL team was

The 24’s were busy getting smacked by BBl 7-0


Reading too much into it my friend, love how people love to gloat. The reality is that Brotherly Love doesn't do Box well. The club owners even acknowledge it and they need to make a decision on either going all in on box or just doing it for fun. BBL was a very good box team and they obviously train as a box team. These field teams thinking that they are AA in Box because they are AA in Field just doesn't hold up. My understanding is that our best 2023 team Zeus had to pull out because they couldn't even field a team for the tourney. It really is painful to watch these field players trying to play box. It is a game that is not kind to players without the stick skills.

I do think that once the Wings start playing next season these kids are going to get more into box. It is a shame as I think it is the better game of the two.


Could not agree more, box is a completely different game with a skill set that does not just transfer over from the field. While I was originally skeptical of the benefits of box, the more my son has played (his club does focus on box quite a bit), I have really come around to the benefits. Although not great for kids that normally play with poles, the transition aspect is great for middies, the tempo is great for working on quick passing and the game really instills defensive skills for both middies and attackmen. If anybody does not see the benefits of box, just watch a replay of the Albany - Syracuse game from last weekend, Tehoka Nanticoke put on a clinic, 4 of his 5 goals were pure box skills. Teams like BL doing box for fun is simply a waste of time, the commitment is well worth it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They did ask were the 23 BL team was

The 24’s were busy getting smacked by BBl 7-0


Reading too much into it my friend, love how people love to gloat. The reality is that Brotherly Love doesn't do Box well. The club owners even acknowledge it and they need to make a decision on either going all in on box or just doing it for fun. BBL was a very good box team and they obviously train as a box team. These field teams thinking that they are AA in Box because they are AA in Field just doesn't hold up. My understanding is that our best 2023 team Zeus had to pull out because they couldn't even field a team for the tourney. It really is painful to watch these field players trying to play box. It is a game that is not kind to players without the stick skills.

I do think that once the Wings start playing next season these kids are going to get more into box. It is a shame as I think it is the better game of the two.


Could not agree more, box is a completely different game with a skill set that does not just transfer over from the field. While I was originally skeptical of the benefits of box, the more my son has played (his club does focus on box quite a bit), I have really come around to the benefits. Although not great for kids that normally play with poles, the transition aspect is great for middies, the tempo is great for working on quick passing and the game really instills defensive skills for both middies and attackmen. If anybody does not see the benefits of box, just watch a replay of the Albany - Syracuse game from last weekend, Tehoka Nanticoke put on a clinic, 4 of his 5 goals were pure box skills. Teams like BL doing box for fun is simply a waste of time, the commitment is well worth it.


It helps that Nanticoke is 240lbs
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They did ask were the 23 BL team was

The 24’s were busy getting smacked by BBl 7-0


Reading too much into it my friend, love how people love to gloat. The reality is that Brotherly Love doesn't do Box well. The club owners even acknowledge it and they need to make a decision on either going all in on box or just doing it for fun. BBL was a very good box team and they obviously train as a box team. These field teams thinking that they are AA in Box because they are AA in Field just doesn't hold up. My understanding is that our best 2023 team Zeus had to pull out because they couldn't even field a team for the tourney. It really is painful to watch these field players trying to play box. It is a game that is not kind to players without the stick skills.

I do think that once the Wings start playing next season these kids are going to get more into box. It is a shame as I think it is the better game of the two.


Could not agree more, box is a completely different game with a skill set that does not just transfer over from the field. While I was originally skeptical of the benefits of box, the more my son has played (his club does focus on box quite a bit), I have really come around to the benefits. Although not great for kids that normally play with poles, the transition aspect is great for middies, the tempo is great for working on quick passing and the game really instills defensive skills for both middies and attackmen. If anybody does not see the benefits of box, just watch a replay of the Albany - Syracuse game from last weekend, Tehoka Nanticoke put on a clinic, 4 of his 5 goals were pure box skills. Teams like BL doing box for fun is simply a waste of time, the commitment is well worth it.


It helps that Nanticoke is 240lbs


It certainly does not hurt, especially when driving to the net, but watch his stick skills when he is close to the net, a lot of that is box influenced.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They did ask were the 23 BL team was

The 24’s were busy getting smacked by BBl 7-0


Reading too much into it my friend, love how people love to gloat. The reality is that Brotherly Love doesn't do Box well. The club owners even acknowledge it and they need to make a decision on either going all in on box or just doing it for fun. BBL was a very good box team and they obviously train as a box team. These field teams thinking that they are AA in Box because they are AA in Field just doesn't hold up. My understanding is that our best 2023 team Zeus had to pull out because they couldn't even field a team for the tourney. It really is painful to watch these field players trying to play box. It is a game that is not kind to players without the stick skills.

I do think that once the Wings start playing next season these kids are going to get more into box. It is a shame as I think it is the better game of the two.


Could not agree more, box is a completely different game with a skill set that does not just transfer over from the field. While I was originally skeptical of the benefits of box, the more my son has played (his club does focus on box quite a bit), I have really come around to the benefits. Although not great for kids that normally play with poles, the transition aspect is great for middies, the tempo is great for working on quick passing and the game really instills defensive skills for both middies and attackmen. If anybody does not see the benefits of box, just watch a replay of the Albany - Syracuse game from last weekend, Tehoka Nanticoke put on a clinic, 4 of his 5 goals were pure box skills. Teams like BL doing box for fun is simply a waste of time, the commitment is well worth it.


It helps that Nanticoke is 240lbs

Come on. I liked you Philly people but this is really lame. Box is a different game. Field players with no box IQ are a recipe for for failure in box. It takes time. One box player on a team won't win games. It's a different skill set. BL is an excellent team. Kudos to them for having their kids play box.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They did ask were the 23 BL team was

The 24’s were busy getting smacked by BBl 7-0


Reading too much into it my friend, love how people love to gloat. The reality is that Brotherly Love doesn't do Box well. The club owners even acknowledge it and they need to make a decision on either going all in on box or just doing it for fun. BBL was a very good box team and they obviously train as a box team. These field teams thinking that they are AA in Box because they are AA in Field just doesn't hold up. My understanding is that our best 2023 team Zeus had to pull out because they couldn't even field a team for the tourney. It really is painful to watch these field players trying to play box. It is a game that is not kind to players without the stick skills.

I do think that once the Wings start playing next season these kids are going to get more into box. It is a shame as I think it is the better game of the two.


Could not agree more, box is a completely different game with a skill set that does not just transfer over from the field. While I was originally skeptical of the benefits of box, the more my son has played (his club does focus on box quite a bit), I have really come around to the benefits. Although not great for kids that normally play with poles, the transition aspect is great for middies, the tempo is great for working on quick passing and the game really instills defensive skills for both middies and attackmen. If anybody does not see the benefits of box, just watch a replay of the Albany - Syracuse game from last weekend, Tehoka Nanticoke put on a clinic, 4 of his 5 goals were pure box skills. Teams like BL doing box for fun is simply a waste of time, the commitment is well worth it.


It helps that Nanticoke is 240lbs

That's lame. How about Miles Thompson. Gary Gait. John Grant Jr. ...... give me a break. Chris Cloutier. Nanticoke is a Blackbelt.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Funny because the BL Zeus team has plastered the team page with box pictures.


I think you are reading too much into your recreational web browsing. I though this was odd since my kid plays for the team. I think there was some mix up on whomever is managing the website. That isn't even the Zeus team under Zeus that is their 2024 Team and it is the same box picture multiple times.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They did ask were the 23 BL team was

The 24’s were busy getting smacked by BBl 7-0


Reading too much into it my friend, love how people love to gloat. The reality is that Brotherly Love doesn't do Box well. The club owners even acknowledge it and they need to make a decision on either going all in on box or just doing it for fun. BBL was a very good box team and they obviously train as a box team. These field teams thinking that they are AA in Box because they are AA in Field just doesn't hold up. My understanding is that our best 2023 team Zeus had to pull out because they couldn't even field a team for the tourney. It really is painful to watch these field players trying to play box. It is a game that is not kind to players without the stick skills.

I do think that once the Wings start playing next season these kids are going to get more into box. It is a shame as I think it is the better game of the two.


Could not agree more, box is a completely different game with a skill set that does not just transfer over from the field. While I was originally skeptical of the benefits of box, the more my son has played (his club does focus on box quite a bit), I have really come around to the benefits. Although not great for kids that normally play with poles, the transition aspect is great for middies, the tempo is great for working on quick passing and the game really instills defensive skills for both middies and attackmen. If anybody does not see the benefits of box, just watch a replay of the Albany - Syracuse game from last weekend, Tehoka Nanticoke put on a clinic, 4 of his 5 goals were pure box skills. Teams like BL doing box for fun is simply a waste of time, the commitment is well worth it.


It helps that Nanticoke is 240lbs

Come on. I liked you Philly people but this is really lame. Box is a different game. Field players with no box IQ are a recipe for for failure in box. It takes time. One box player on a team won't win games. It's a different skill set. BL is an excellent team. Kudos to them for having their kids play box.


I posted the original statement about BL box program. I didn't mean to imply that we were wasting our time simply because we weren't ALL IN on the box thing and not winning tournaments. BL has been practicing every Sunday in a box format with box goals. Yes I believe these Sunday Sessions have made my son better' however, in my personal estimation if BL wants to compete with these other clubs in the AA brackets of box tournaments they are going to have to do more as a club. If at the end of they day they decide not to they will not be able to be competitive; however, I don't think it is a waste of time. For example spending all winter shooting at tiny 4x4 goals is only going to pay dividends when they get outside and shoot on 6x6 nets. No time spent on skills is ever a waste. Box game is a great game but very ugly to watch if played with a field mentality and that is how we as a club play.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]BL kids are out dominating other sports this winter yup real multi sport athletes.




Yup you are right. Our Kennett Basketball team which is primarily Brotherly Love players went up and smacked another local school in basketball I think it was 20-1 at halftime, an this was a big school program. When is the last time you saw a basketball team score 1 point by half. While the other members of the Zeus team are putting kids on their back all over the tri-state area because two of the best wresters in the state play on Zeus. Yuck it up against kids for doing something other than lacrosse. Don't worry they will back in the Spring to put a whooping on your kids teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]BL kids are out dominating other sports this winter yup real multi sport athletes.




Yup you are right. Our Kennett Basketball team which is primarily Brotherly Love players went up and smacked another local school in basketball I think it was 20-1 at halftime, an this was a big school program. When is the last time you saw a basketball team score 1 point by half. While the other members of the Zeus team are putting kids on their back all over the tri-state area because two of the best wresters in the state play on Zeus. Yuck it up against kids for doing something other than lacrosse. Don't worry they will back in the Spring to put a whooping on your kids teams.[/quo

What's a "wresters"? you might want to whoop up on your books!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Only a dork would dwell on typos.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Only a dork would dwell on typos.


As opposed to a stupid post about a local basketball team on a lacrosse forum....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]BL kids are out dominating other sports this winter yup real multi sport athletes.




Yup you are right. Our Kennett Basketball team which is primarily Brotherly Love players went up and smacked another local school in basketball I think it was 20-1 at halftime, an this was a big school program. When is the last time you saw a basketball team score 1 point by half. While the other members of the Zeus team are putting kids on their back all over the tri-state area because two of the best wresters in the state play on Zeus. Yuck it up against kids for doing something other than lacrosse. Don't worry they will back in the Spring to put a whooping on your kids teams.


I thought they were all at the Olympics.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Only a dork would dwell on typos.


As opposed to a stupid post about a local basketball team on a lacrosse forum....


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Only a dork would dwell on typos.


As opposed to a stupid post about a local basketball team on a lacrosse forum....


Get with the program nimrod I was responding to the post below:

BL kids are out dominating other sports this winter yup real multi sport athletes.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
We decided to skip. Would rather whup on your pitiful team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Are you seriously putting in a plug for Kennet middle school basketball on a lacrosse website, get a life and stop living through your kid.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]BL kids are out dominating other sports this winter yup real multi sport athletes.




Yup you are right. Our Kennett Basketball team which is primarily Brotherly Love players went up and smacked another local school in basketball I think it was 20-1 at halftime, an this was a big school program. When is the last time you saw a basketball team score 1 point by half. While the other members of the Zeus team are putting kids on their back all over the tri-state area because two of the best wresters in the state play on Zeus. Yuck it up against kids for doing something other than lacrosse. Don't worry they will back in the Spring to put a whooping on your kids teams.


Again, I say who cares???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are you seriously putting in a plug for Kennet middle school basketball on a lacrosse website, get a life and stop living through your kid.


This is a kid posting.. No adult would post about a middle basketball team when the high school team has only won 4 games.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Their lacrosse team is just as bad
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Not for long about to steamroll ya'll....Just like Avon Grove....they are further out in the boondocks than Kennett and they whupped on mighty Conestoga and a lot of other teams along the way. Fear the "K"
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Out of all of the "BL are gods!" posts, this series is near, if not at, the top of the list.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
I would say 80% of the post are made by non BL people to start something. The Mesa’s, Dukes and Freedoms don’t want upstart programs succeeding and taking $ from there pockets.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
looks like a real solid turnout. Glad to see this league take off this year

https://www.tourneymachine.com/Publ...rnament=h2018013016090849091b16c2e109f4a
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would say 80% of the post are made by non BL people to start something. The Mesa’s, Dukes and Freedoms don’t want upstart programs succeeding and taking $ from there pockets.

Hate to burst your bubble but Freedom is a non-profit club. And 80% of the posts regarding anything at the 22, 23 and 24 level and how amazing BL is and how bad/whatever other clubs are come from the same person and we all know who you are.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Don't have a dog in this fight just merely pointing out that NON Profit doesn't mean that you'all aren't making money doing this youth lacrosse stuff. It simply means you are under tax exempt. Whoever is running Freedom is making some cash don't be naive.
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I would agree the NON Profit thing is the biggest marketing misperception out there. There are plenty of non profits out there doing good things don't get me wrong but look up what the CEO of Red Cross, United Way, UNICEF make and I think it will shed some light.

Look at it this way each. Lets say this is the breakdown:

$1,800/Annually in Fees for Club PER kid
20 Kids Per Team = 40 Kids Usually an A and B Team at each level
4th grade to 10th grade = 7 grades thus 14 Teams between A and B
14 Teams X 20 Kids = 280 kids
280 X $1,800 = $504,000 PER YEAR

Don't have any idea about the expense side of things but if you could run a side business grossing half a million a year that is a pretty good gig. I am all for it you provide a service that is needed...but don't give me the we don't make money baloney.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
My kid plays for Freedom don't really know the guys that own it but do know the one founder as he coaches....just bought one of the big Mercedes SUVs ...hmmm.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My kid plays for Freedom don't really know the guys that own it but do know the one founder as he coaches....just bought one of the big Mercedes SUVs ...hmmm.



That's funny...You just posted the last 3 messages saying you don't have a dog in the fight and then posted your kid plays for Freedom. Which is it Tommy M? BTW get a job to occupy your time.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My kid plays for Freedom don't really know the guys that own it but do know the one founder as he coaches....just bought one of the big Mercedes SUVs ...hmmm.



That's funny...You just posted the last 3 messages saying you don't have a dog in the fight and then posted your kid plays for Freedom. Which is it Tommy M? BTW get a job to occupy your time.


Tommy M is the guy who runs BOTC by the way... not this guys name
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My kid plays for Freedom don't really know the guys that own it but do know the one founder as he coaches....just bought one of the big Mercedes SUVs ...hmmm.



That's funny...You just posted the last 3 messages saying you don't have a dog in the fight and then posted your kid plays for Freedom. Which is it Tommy M? BTW get a job to occupy your time.


Tommy M is the guy who runs BOTC by the way... not this guys name

Tommy? Tommy Muldonado? Tommy Muldonado from Our Lady of The Perpetually Wet Prep., Tommy? I can't believe it!!! How the heck are ya?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
So if they are non-profit were does all the $ go? They charge @2k per kid and have no paid coaches...so figure 16 paying kids per team 32k is a lot to spend on fields...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So if they are non-profit were does all the $ go? They charge @2k per kid and have no paid coaches...so figure 16 paying kids per team 32k is a lot to spend on fields...

I believe that we paid $1600 and that includes everything for the year. So all fall practices/tournaments, winter indoor practices, spring NXT League, summer practices/tournaments. And my son has dedicated coaches who are at all of those events.

With fall field rentals/tournament fees, indoor space rental, NXT League fees, summer field rentals/tournaments fees. That feels to me like it would eat up close to, if not all, of the $25,600 based upon your 16 person roster.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So if they are non-profit were does all the $ go? They charge @2k per kid and have no paid coaches...so figure 16 paying kids per team 32k is a lot to spend on fields...

I believe that we paid $1600 and that includes everything for the year. So all fall practices/tournaments, winter indoor practices, spring NXT League, summer practices/tournaments. And my son has dedicated coaches who are at all of those events.

With fall field rentals/tournament fees, indoor space rental, NXT League fees, summer field rentals/tournaments fees. That feels to me like it would eat up close to, if not all, of the $25,600 based upon your 16 person roster.


Just an FYI, some HS tournaments cost $600 or more per kid to enter. I would also assume that the club has to pay some type of insurance fees? So paying 1600-3000 per year is not over priced at all. That also includes the cost of uniforms.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So if they are non-profit were does all the $ go? They charge @2k per kid and have no paid coaches...so figure 16 paying kids per team 32k is a lot to spend on fields...

I believe that we paid $1600 and that includes everything for the year. So all fall practices/tournaments, winter indoor practices, spring NXT League, summer practices/tournaments. And my son has dedicated coaches who are at all of those events.

With fall field rentals/tournament fees, indoor space rental, NXT League fees, summer field rentals/tournaments fees. That feels to me like it would eat up close to, if not all, of the $25,600 based upon your 16 person roster.


Just an FYI, some HS tournaments cost $600 or more per kid to enter. I would also assume that the club has to pay some type of insurance fees? So paying 1600-3000 per year is not over priced at all. That also includes the cost of uniforms.

There are no tournaments charging anything close to $600 per kid that would be over 12K per team. What you are referring to is a showcase which is an individual event and typically not covered by club dues. Typical costs for a club included tournament fee is about 150$ per kid max and some are much lower.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So if they are non-profit were does all the $ go? They charge @2k per kid and have no paid coaches...so figure 16 paying kids per team 32k is a lot to spend on fields...

I believe that we paid $1600 and that includes everything for the year. So all fall practices/tournaments, winter indoor practices, spring NXT League, summer practices/tournaments. And my son has dedicated coaches who are at all of those events.

With fall field rentals/tournament fees, indoor space rental, NXT League fees, summer field rentals/tournaments fees. That feels to me like it would eat up close to, if not all, of the $25,600 based upon your 16 person roster.


Just an FYI, some HS tournaments cost $600 or more per kid to enter. I would also assume that the club has to pay some type of insurance fees? So paying 1600-3000 per year is not over priced at all. That also includes the cost of uniforms.

There are no tournaments charging anything close to $600 per kid that would be over 12K per team. What you are referring to is a showcase which is an individual event and typically not covered by club dues. Typical costs for a club included tournament fee is about 150$ per kid max and some are much lower.

NXT has some that are $385/kid Welcome to lacrosse and when you have organizations like NXT pitching to parents that they are the only true "business" with full-time professionals, well you can look forward to those fees.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Very impressed with NXT spring league. You could tell it was the first games in a while for some of the teams but hopefully, it continues to grow.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So if they are non-profit were does all the $ go? They charge @2k per kid and have no paid coaches...so figure 16 paying kids per team 32k is a lot to spend on fields...

I believe that we paid $1600 and that includes everything for the year. So all fall practices/tournaments, winter indoor practices, spring NXT League, summer practices/tournaments. And my son has dedicated coaches who are at all of those events.

With fall field rentals/tournament fees, indoor space rental, NXT League fees, summer field rentals/tournaments fees. That feels to me like it would eat up close to, if not all, of the $25,600 based upon your 16 person roster.


Just an FYI, some HS tournaments cost $600 or more per kid to enter. I would also assume that the club has to pay some type of insurance fees? So paying 1600-3000 per year is not over priced at all. That also includes the cost of uniforms.

There are no tournaments charging anything close to $600 per kid that would be over 12K per team. What you are referring to is a showcase which is an individual event and typically not covered by club dues. Typical costs for a club included tournament fee is about 150$ per kid max and some are much lower.

The weekend over night team showcases are hundreds of dollars per kid.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Very impressed with NXT spring league. You could tell it was the first games in a while for some of the teams but hopefully, it continues to grow.

Guess TD really burned some bridges, no rising sons teams in the spring league. What are all those teams doing? Oh that's right he doesn't care about those teams anyway.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Very impressed with NXT spring league. You could tell it was the first games in a while for some of the teams but hopefully, it continues to grow.

Guess TD really burned some bridges, no rising sons teams in the spring league. What are all those teams doing? Oh that's right he doesn't care about those teams anyway.


There are a few teams doing the MSI Spring League.
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Anyone know the history and why?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Guess TD really burned some bridges, no rising sons teams in the spring league. What are all those teams doing? Oh that's right he doesn't care about those teams anyway.

Rumor has it they were not invited to NXTL this year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Guess TD really burned some bridges, no rising sons teams in the spring league. What are all those teams doing? Oh that's right he doesn't care about those teams anyway.

Rumor has it they were not invited to NXTL this year.


Rising Sons turned down the offer to be in the NXT Spring League actually
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rising Sons turned down the offer to be in the NXT Spring League actually
That's even worse.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rising Sons turned down the offer to be in the NXT Spring League actually
That's even worse.


No way they turned it down.. they didn't want to pay the fee and couldn't ask parents for more money. Another example of club management just in it for the money!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rising Sons turned down the offer to be in the NXT Spring League actually
That's even worse.


No way they turned it down.. they didn't want to pay the fee and couldn't ask parents for more money. Another example of club management just in it for the money!

The only reason TD even had the younger teams is to line his pocket. There is NO WAY his 2020 team wouldn't have been in that league. Heck, he had them in 2 leagues when they were in junior high. Also surprising that NXT would have even invited them back after they got cheating in the league a few years ago. But then again obviously NXT didn't really care since they made a deal with him anyway. See how well that worked out. Ultimately, TD cares about 1 kid and one kid only.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Good action at NXT League yesterday. Great seeing all of the teams back at it outside.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Another great mini camp coming up for Duke's Nationals in Maryland Saturday April 7, make sue you attend only $100 dollars for the best 3 hour training you will every get, provided by the best coaches on the premier national team in the country Duke's Nationals.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Another great mini camp coming up for Duke's Nationals in Maryland Saturday April 7, make sue you attend only $100 dollars for the best 3 hour training you will every get, provided by the best coaches on the premier national team in the country Duke's Nationals.

I am guessing you are being sarcastic?
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Ha
No doubt who posted it...taxes must be due so they raised the cost
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Cost more than doubled in yr and half, better be twice as good!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Guess TD really burned some bridges, no rising sons teams in the spring league. What are all those teams doing? Oh that's right he doesn't care about those teams anyway.

Rumor has it they were not invited to NXTL this year.


Rising Sons turned down the offer to be in the NXT Spring League actually


Nope they didnt. I know this for a fact - were not invited. And probably never will be again.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Guess TD really burned some bridges, no rising sons teams in the spring league. What are all those teams doing? Oh that's right he doesn't care about those teams anyway.

Rumor has it they were not invited to NXTL this year.


Rising Sons turned down the offer to be in the NXT Spring League actually


Nope they didnt. I know this for a fact - were not invited. And probably never will be again.

Incorrect ^
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Guess TD really burned some bridges, no rising sons teams in the spring league. What are all those teams doing? Oh that's right he doesn't care about those teams anyway.

Rumor has it they were not invited to NXTL this year.


Rising Sons turned down the offer to be in the NXT Spring League actually


Nope they didnt. I know this for a fact - were not invited. And probably never will be again.

Incorrect ^

My sons 8th grade team has played Blackstorm, leading edge, freedom and chiefs already. My other son is playing Mesa this weekend and have other events scheduled.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Guess TD really burned some bridges, no rising sons teams in the spring league. What are all those teams doing? Oh that's right he doesn't care about those teams anyway.

Rumor has it they were not invited to NXTL this year.


Rising Sons turned down the offer to be in the NXT Spring League actually


Nope they didnt. I know this for a fact - were not invited. And probably never will be again.

Incorrect ^

My sons 8th grade team has played Blackstorm, leading edge, freedom and chiefs already. My other son is playing Mesa this weekend and have other events scheduled.


LeadingEdge??
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Guess TD really burned some bridges, no rising sons teams in the spring league. What are all those teams doing? Oh that's right he doesn't care about those teams anyway.

Rumor has it they were not invited to NXTL this year.


Rising Sons turned down the offer to be in the NXT Spring League actually


Nope they didnt. I know this for a fact - were not invited. And probably never will be again.

Incorrect ^


Nope it’s correct I know for a fact - know the person that makes these decisions at NXT - Tad burnt bridges. Now for the Son’s parent arguing thisngive up everyone else knows.

Probably better for you guys anyway you would
Have lost to SJBS, Dukes, TriState, Uprising and RR Elite anyway.
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Probably better for you guys anyway you would
Have lost to SJBS, Dukes, TriState, Uprising and RR Elite anyway.
Assuming you just left BL and Freedom Red off of there because that was already a given?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Guess TD really burned some bridges, no rising sons teams in the spring league. What are all those teams doing? Oh that's right he doesn't care about those teams anyway.

Rumor has it they were not invited to NXTL this year.


Rising Sons turned down the offer to be in the NXT Spring League actually


Nope they didnt. I know this for a fact - were not invited. And probably never will be again.

Incorrect ^


Nope it’s correct I know for a fact - know the person that makes these decisions at NXT - Tad burnt bridges. Now for the Son’s parent arguing thisngive up everyone else knows.

Probably better for you guys anyway you would
Have lost to SJBS, Dukes, TriState, Uprising and RR Elite anyway.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Guess TD really burned some bridges, no rising sons teams in the spring league. What are all those teams doing? Oh that's right he doesn't care about those teams anyway.

Rumor has it they were not invited to NXTL this year.


Rising Sons turned down the offer to be in the NXT Spring League actually


Nope they didnt. I know this for a fact - were not invited. And probably never will be again.

Incorrect ^


Nope it’s correct I know for a fact - know the person that makes these decisions at NXT - Tad burnt bridges. Now for the Son’s parent arguing thisngive up everyone else knows.

Probably better for you guys anyway you would
Have lost to SJBS, Dukes, TriState, Uprising and RR Elite anyway.
We played SJBS and they tied us. Lost to Freedom 12-9
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I bet heads are about to explode at Malvern Prep! Imagine paying all of the money to get that “great” Lacrosse experience and then having the season they are having this year!
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Is Supinski hurt, last time I watched DU play he got lots of playing time. Looked at a few recent box scores and he isn mentioned
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Plenty of help brought in by teams in the nxt spring league. Just shows how far youth lacrosse needs to go to get out of the cespool!!
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What teams are you talking about?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Plenty of help brought in by teams in the nxt spring league. Just shows how far youth lacrosse needs to go to get out of the cespool!!


Some close calls and a few upsets this past weekend
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Plenty of help brought in by teams in the nxt spring league. Just shows how far youth lacrosse needs to go to get out of the cespool!!


Some close calls and a few upsets this past weekend


Yes, quite a tight game between Uprising and Brotherly Love. I assume the original poster is suggesting HHH players joined the fun.

And Tri-State, who didn't play very well the entire tournament, took down Freedom. Are you implying that Tri-State brought in ringers or that Freedom's help had to leave before 4 to beat traffic back to Long Island?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Plenty of help brought in by teams in the nxt spring league. Just shows how far youth lacrosse needs to go to get out of the cespool!!


Some close calls and a few upsets this past weekend


Yes, quite a tight game between Uprising and Brotherly Love. I assume the original poster is suggesting HHH players joined the fun.

And Tri-State, who didn't play very well the entire tournament, took down Freedom. Are you implying that Tri-State brought in ringers or that Freedom's help had to leave before 4 to beat traffic back to Long Island?


Certainly not implying anything, the results speak for themselves. But if a certain program has a reputation for bringing in players and they under performed (or over performed), that speaks for itself as well. Not sure how Tri-State runs their program, they were in the middle of the pack for the season, but you do not typically hear a lot of talk about them bringing in players, same can be said for BL. It's not hard to look around the field at a rainbow of helmets to figure things out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Plenty of help brought in by teams in the nxt spring league. Just shows how far youth lacrosse needs to go to get out of the cespool!!


Some close calls and a few upsets this past weekend


Yes, quite a tight game between Uprising and Brotherly Love. I assume the original poster is suggesting HHH players joined the fun.

And Tri-State, who didn't play very well the entire tournament, took down Freedom. Are you implying that Tri-State brought in ringers or that Freedom's help had to leave before 4 to beat traffic back to Long Island?


Certainly not implying anything, the results speak for themselves. But if a certain program has a reputation for bringing in players and they under performed (or over performed), that speaks for itself as well. Not sure how Tri-State runs their program, they were in the middle of the pack for the season, but you do not typically hear a lot of talk about them bringing in players, same can be said for BL. It's not hard to look around the field at a rainbow of helmets to figure things out.


That's ridiculous BL is %100 known for bringing in kids. 2022 uses tons of Freedom kids, 2024 is bringing NXT fogo for Fantastic 12 Event. Everyone does it, but who cares?

Why are you complaining about competitive games? Isn't that why you're having your kids play?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Plenty of help brought in by teams in the nxt spring league. Just shows how far youth lacrosse needs to go to get out of the cespool!!


Some close calls and a few upsets this past weekend


Yes, quite a tight game between Uprising and Brotherly Love. I assume the original poster is suggesting HHH players joined the fun.

And Tri-State, who didn't play very well the entire tournament, took down Freedom. Are you implying that Tri-State brought in ringers or that Freedom's help had to leave before 4 to beat traffic back to Long Island?


Certainly not implying anything, the results speak for themselves. But if a certain program has a reputation for bringing in players and they under performed (or over performed), that speaks for itself as well. Not sure how Tri-State runs their program, they were in the middle of the pack for the season, but you do not typically hear a lot of talk about them bringing in players, same can be said for BL. It's not hard to look around the field at a rainbow of helmets to figure things out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Plenty of help brought in by teams in the nxt spring league. Just shows how far youth lacrosse needs to go to get out of the cespool!!


Some close calls and a few upsets this past weekend


Yes, quite a tight game between Uprising and Brotherly Love. I assume the original poster is suggesting HHH players joined the fun.

And Tri-State, who didn't play very well the entire tournament, took down Freedom. Are you implying that Tri-State brought in ringers or that Freedom's help had to leave before 4 to beat traffic back to Long Island?


Uprising did not bring HHH players, 90% of the Uprising team are HHH players. Uprising just played a great game and almost had a really big upset of BL. The Uprising team has very good players and all the players have been on the team all season.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Plenty of help brought in by teams in the nxt spring league. Just shows how far youth lacrosse needs to go to get out of the cespool!!


Some close calls and a few upsets this past weekend


Yes, quite a tight game between Uprising and Brotherly Love. I assume the original poster is suggesting HHH players joined the fun.

And Tri-State, who didn't play very well the entire tournament, took down Freedom. Are you implying that Tri-State brought in ringers or that Freedom's help had to leave before 4 to beat traffic back to Long Island?


Certainly not implying anything, the results speak for themselves. But if a certain program has a reputation for bringing in players and they under performed (or over performed), that speaks for itself as well. Not sure how Tri-State runs their program, they were in the middle of the pack for the season, but you do not typically hear a lot of talk about them bringing in players, same can be said for BL. It's not hard to look around the field at a rainbow of helmets to figure things out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Plenty of help brought in by teams in the nxt spring league. Just shows how far youth lacrosse needs to go to get out of the cespool!!


Some close calls and a few upsets this past weekend


Yes, quite a tight game between Uprising and Brotherly Love. I assume the original poster is suggesting HHH players joined the fun.

And Tri-State, who didn't play very well the entire tournament, took down Freedom. Are you implying that Tri-State brought in ringers or that Freedom's help had to leave before 4 to beat traffic back to Long Island?


Uprising did not bring HHH players, 90% of the Uprising team are HHH players. Uprising just played a great game and almost had a really big upset of BL. The Uprising team has very good players and all the players have been on the team all season.


They did play a great game, if not for a few hiccups along the way, they would have won - goalie had a solid game
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Originally Posted by Anonymous


That's ridiculous BL is %100 known for bringing in kids. 2022 uses tons of Freedom kids, 2024 is bringing NXT fogo for Fantastic 12 Event. Everyone does it, but who cares?

Why are you complaining about competitive games? Isn't that why you're having your kids play?


Everyone most certainly does NOT do it.

For those of you who accept and encourage this kind of behavior, I certainly hope you are not over on the Duke's forum complaining about them bringing in ringers for a tournament because that would make you a major hypocrite.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


That's ridiculous BL is %100 known for bringing in kids. 2022 uses tons of Freedom kids, 2024 is bringing NXT fogo for Fantastic 12 Event. Everyone does it, but who cares?

Why are you complaining about competitive games? Isn't that why you're having your kids play?


Everyone most certainly does NOT do it.

For those of you who accept and encourage this kind of behavior, I certainly hope you are not over on the Duke's forum complaining about them bringing in ringers for a tournament because that would make you a major hypocrite.

Of course they are!!!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Plenty of help brought in by teams in the nxt spring league. Just shows how far youth lacrosse needs to go to get out of the cespool!!


Some close calls and a few upsets this past weekend


Yes, quite a tight game between Uprising and Brotherly Love. I assume the original poster is suggesting HHH players joined the fun.

And Tri-State, who didn't play very well the entire tournament, took down Freedom. Are you implying that Tri-State brought in ringers or that Freedom's help had to leave before 4 to beat traffic back to Long Island?


Certainly not implying anything, the results speak for themselves. But if a certain program has a reputation for bringing in players and they under performed (or over performed), that speaks for itself as well. Not sure how Tri-State runs their program, they were in the middle of the pack for the season, but you do not typically hear a lot of talk about them bringing in players, same can be said for BL. It's not hard to look around the field at a rainbow of helmets to figure things out.


That's ridiculous BL is %100 known for bringing in kids. 2022 uses tons of Freedom kids, 2024 is bringing NXT fogo for Fantastic 12 Event. Everyone does it, but who cares?

Why are you complaining about competitive games? Isn't that why you're having your kids play?


NXT is playing in the Fantastic 12 so I doubt their fogo is playing for BL
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Plenty of help brought in by teams in the nxt spring league. Just shows how far youth lacrosse needs to go to get out of the cespool!!


Some close calls and a few upsets this past weekend


Yes, quite a tight game between Uprising and Brotherly Love. I assume the original poster is suggesting HHH players joined the fun.

And Tri-State, who didn't play very well the entire tournament, took down Freedom. Are you implying that Tri-State brought in ringers or that Freedom's help had to leave before 4 to beat traffic back to Long Island?


Certainly not implying anything, the results speak for themselves. But if a certain program has a reputation for bringing in players and they under performed (or over performed), that speaks for itself as well. Not sure how Tri-State runs their program, they were in the middle of the pack for the season, but you do not typically hear a lot of talk about them bringing in players, same can be said for BL. It's not hard to look around the field at a rainbow of helmets to figure things out.


That's ridiculous BL is %100 known for bringing in kids. 2022 uses tons of Freedom kids, 2024 is bringing NXT fogo for Fantastic 12 Event. Everyone does it, but who cares?

Why are you complaining about competitive games? Isn't that why you're having your kids play?


Not complaining about competitive games at all, I think that the NXT games were great this season, regardless of who was on what team. It would just be nice if some people get over the constant comments about who is playing for what team, or who brought in ringers, or not. We all know that certain clubs bring in players, so what, isn't it a good thing that the top players in the region are coming in to play in the league, good for the league and the kids playing in it.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Plenty of help brought in by teams in the nxt spring league. Just shows how far youth lacrosse needs to go to get out of the cespool!!


Some close calls and a few upsets this past weekend


Yes, quite a tight game between Uprising and Brotherly Love. I assume the original poster is suggesting HHH players joined the fun.

And Tri-State, who didn't play very well the entire tournament, took down Freedom. Are you implying that Tri-State brought in ringers or that Freedom's help had to leave before 4 to beat traffic back to Long Island?


Certainly not implying anything, the results speak for themselves. But if a certain program has a reputation for bringing in players and they under performed (or over performed), that speaks for itself as well. Not sure how Tri-State runs their program, they were in the middle of the pack for the season, but you do not typically hear a lot of talk about them bringing in players, same can be said for BL. It's not hard to look around the field at a rainbow of helmets to figure things out.


That's ridiculous BL is %100 known for bringing in kids. 2022 uses tons of Freedom kids, 2024 is bringing NXT fogo for Fantastic 12 Event. Everyone does it, but who cares?

Why are you complaining about competitive games? Isn't that why you're having your kids play?


Not complaining about competitive games at all, I think that the NXT games were great this season, regardless of who was on what team. It would just be nice if some people get over the constant comments about who is playing for what team, or who brought in ringers, or not. We all know that certain clubs bring in players, so what, isn't it a good thing that the top players in the region are coming in to play in the league, good for the league and the kids playing in it.
So much of the days of just go with what you got. Teach kids how to handle adverse situations and learn to compete.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Plenty of help brought in by teams in the nxt spring league. Just shows how far youth lacrosse needs to go to get out of the cespool!!


Some close calls and a few upsets this past weekend


Yes, quite a tight game between Uprising and Brotherly Love. I assume the original poster is suggesting HHH players joined the fun.

And Tri-State, who didn't play very well the entire tournament, took down Freedom. Are you implying that Tri-State brought in ringers or that Freedom's help had to leave before 4 to beat traffic back to Long Island?


Certainly not implying anything, the results speak for themselves. But if a certain program has a reputation for bringing in players and they under performed (or over performed), that speaks for itself as well. Not sure how Tri-State runs their program, they were in the middle of the pack for the season, but you do not typically hear a lot of talk about them bringing in players, same can be said for BL. It's not hard to look around the field at a rainbow of helmets to figure things out.


That's ridiculous BL is %100 known for bringing in kids. 2022 uses tons of Freedom kids, 2024 is bringing NXT fogo for Fantastic 12 Event. Everyone does it, but who cares?

Why are you complaining about competitive games? Isn't that why you're having your kids play?


Not complaining about competitive games at all, I think that the NXT games were great this season, regardless of who was on what team. It would just be nice if some people get over the constant comments about who is playing for what team, or who brought in ringers, or not. We all know that certain clubs bring in players, so what, isn't it a good thing that the top players in the region are coming in to play in the league, good for the league and the kids playing in it.


NXT employee much! Why can't you use some of the fee money and set up a player verification process? It would stop all the issues and if successful you could roll it out across all our events.
Nevermind this is youth lacrosse and you don't want to upset the clubs that cheat.
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[/quote] So much of the days of just go with what you got. Teach kids how to handle adverse situations and learn to compete.
[/quote]

Exactly!
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NXT employee much! Why can't you use some of the fee money and set up a player verification process? It would stop all the issues and if successful you could roll it out across all our events.
Nevermind this is youth lacrosse and you don't want to upset the clubs that cheat.
[/quote]

First things first, not an NXT employee, in fact, the only thing that I like about NXT is the spring league... that being said, not sure that I agree that there are "issues" that can be resolved so easily - teams bring in players, clubs have holdbacks, for better or worse, that is youth lacrosse. Not saying that I agree with the process, but we waste more time discussing something that will not change for the current group of 2024's, 2023's 2022's etc, For better or worse, this is the way that it is going to to be. Moreover, as you suggest above, NXT has absolutely no incentive to roll out a player verification process over all of its events because teams will just find other events that do not care, the drive to Maryland or New England is not that far, and there is always the NLF I completely respect you position, and I wish that things could change, but it is the nature of the beast. As I stated earlier, I happen to really like the spring league, I think that the games are competitive, but I can appreciate the fact that you do not like the process - and next time, spare me the NXT employee nonsense, it does nothing but take away from an otherwise reasonable point that you are making.
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NXT Spring League was the best yet IMO - 2022 was very competitive wiht some more parity.

Dukes (not the loaded national team but the real Dukes Young Guns) lost to Blackstorm in the championship. Some great games too like RR beating Blackstorm and Dukes beating Uprising (HHH)
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Rising Sons 2020 lost to FCA, 9-6, and then beat Looneys, 8-7, at Baltimore Summer Kickoff today
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rising Sons 2020 lost to FCA, 9-6, and then beat Looneys, 8-7, at Baltimore Summer Kickoff today


Thanks for the update Tad!
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NXT MELTDOWN thoughts on tournament?
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Typical lacrosse tournament! Bad refs, teams playing down to win championships in B, stupid parents yelling like stunads.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rising Sons 2020 lost to FCA, 9-6, and then beat Looneys, 8-7, at Baltimore Summer Kickoff today


Thanks for the update Tad!


No way that is Tad, he would never post that they lost. And, he is awfully quiet now. They lost 3 games this past weekend too. Nothing to brag about. Karma is coming around to him
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My son played at the UA tryouts the last two nights. I think it was a great experience for him, but the one thing that I thought was really odd was that there were so many more coaches there on Monday night compared to Tuesday. I would have thought it would have been the exact opposite. Is it like this every year? Just curios
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What is going on with Rising Sons? That club tours itself as the “premier” club in the area, and they have had a mediocre summer at best. They aren’t even playing in too tournaments. What’s up with that?
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Rumor is RS is merging with BL. Guess it makes sense since Tad will walk away as soon as his kid is done playing.

As far as current RS... once they got uninvited from the NXT spring league and tournaments, their whole program went down the tubes
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is going on with Rising Sons? That club tours itself as the “premier” club in the area, and they have had a mediocre summer at best. They aren’t even playing in too tournaments. What’s up with that?


We’ve been with The 2022 team for a while, but after this year my son will be trying out for other teams, and other parents have told me the same thing. This year has been anything but “premier “
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rumor is RS is merging with BL. Guess it makes sense since Tad will walk away as soon as his kid is done playing.

As far as current RS... once they got uninvited from the NXT spring league and tournaments, their whole program went down the tubes
They are not uninvited to any NXT events. Fake News!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rumor is RS is merging with BL. Guess it makes sense since Tad will walk away as soon as his kid is done playing.

As far as current RS... once they got uninvited from the NXT spring league and tournaments, their whole program went down the tubes
They are not uninvited to any NXT events. Fake News!

So you are saying they chose not to participate in a spring league? Seems odd because when the 2020 team was in youth grades they played in NXT and HOCO, so why all of a sudden didn’t they offer a spring league? As for the 2020 team, the disbanded, but that was a mess, they got back together, but have been total underachievers. And, they didn’t go to too tournaments this summer. Odd, well, it is almost over.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rumor is RS is merging with BL. Guess it makes sense since Tad will walk away as soon as his kid is done playing.

As far as current RS... once they got uninvited from the NXT spring league and tournaments, their whole program went down the tubes
They are not uninvited to any NXT events. Fake News!


Not fake news. After TD broke the high school agreement with NXT they were out of the MAL. You are telling me they voluntarily left a league that they promoted as part of their package to have a few play dates instead??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rumor is RS is merging with BL. Guess it makes sense since Tad will walk away as soon as his kid is done playing.

As far as current RS... once they got uninvited from the NXT spring league and tournaments, their whole program went down the tubes
They are not uninvited to any NXT events. Fake News!


Not fake news. After TD broke the high school agreement with NXT they were out of the MAL. You are telling me they voluntarily left a league that they promoted as part of their package to have a few play dates instead??
go away Hillary
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rumor is RS is merging with BL. Guess it makes sense since Tad will walk away as soon as his kid is done playing.

As far as current RS... once they got uninvited from the NXT spring league and tournaments, their whole program went down the tubes
They are not uninvited to any NXT events. Fake News!


Not fake news. After TD broke the high school agreement with NXT they were out of the MAL. You are telling me they voluntarily left a league that they promoted as part of their package to have a few play dates instead??
go away Hillary



Go back to selling your training laces Tad
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rumor is RS is merging with BL. Guess it makes sense since Tad will walk away as soon as his kid is done playing.

As far as current RS... once they got uninvited from the NXT spring league and tournaments, their whole program went down the tubes
They are not uninvited to any NXT events. Fake News!


Not fake news. After TD broke the high school agreement with NXT they were out of the MAL. You are telling me they voluntarily left a league that they promoted as part of their package to have a few play dates instead??
go away Hillary



Go back to selling your training laces Tad
Guess again
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Are Rising Sons merging with BL? I know Tad has been trying to merge for years but no clubs have wanted to. It seems odd that RS is moving to Maple Zone, that is a long way from Malvern for sure. I can’t imagine the current members of the teams are very happy about that.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rumor is RS is merging with BL. Guess it makes sense since Tad will walk away as soon as his kid is done playing.

As far as current RS... once they got uninvited from the NXT spring league and tournaments, their whole program went down the tubes
They are not uninvited to any NXT events. Fake News!


Not fake news. After TD broke the high school agreement with NXT they were out of the MAL. You are telling me they voluntarily left a league that they promoted as part of their package to have a few play dates instead??
go away Hillary



Go back to selling your training laces Tad
Guess again


100 percent fact that they were invited to play in the spring league. They just turned it down.

Why would NXT not let them play in the spring league but then turn around and let them play in their 3 summer youth events a month later?
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BL Sons merger probably makes sense since most of BL kids will be GV jags next year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are Rising Sons merging with BL? I know Tad has been trying to merge for years but no clubs have wanted to. It seems odd that RS is moving to Maple Zone, that is a long way from Malvern for sure. I can’t imagine the current members of the teams are very happy about that.


I heard RS is partnering with Barstool for exclusive video content
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are Rising Sons merging with BL? I know Tad has been trying to merge for years but no clubs have wanted to. It seems odd that RS is moving to Maple Zone, that is a long way from Malvern for sure. I can’t imagine the current members of the teams are very happy about that.
Malvern is still their home for Spring and Summer. Sunday Fall and Winter Training will take place at MSI.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are Rising Sons merging with BL? I know Tad has been trying to merge for years but no clubs have wanted to. It seems odd that RS is moving to Maple Zone, that is a long way from Malvern for sure. I can’t imagine the current members of the teams are very happy about that.
Malvern is still their home for Spring and Summer. Sunday Fall and Winter Training will take place at MSI.


Not merging....
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why would BL tie themselves to that sinking ship? RS is a pyramid scheme and his beloved 2020 team is sitting on top. Once his kid’s team is done in the club world he has no skin in the game and can focus entirely on slinging his training pipe cleaners to the masses
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I thought BL was getting bought out by NXT? Makes sense since NXT has one team that wins any games.
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I heard BL and Elevated are merging and it will be called Blelevated
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Is there anything worthwhile on this forum? Seems like a lot of haters, does that mean a lot of jealousy? My opinion is no club, coach, player or parent is perfect but most are trying to do their best for the kids. Some priorities are different - be the best vs player development vs who can drink more beers in solo cups and contradict coaches more from the parent sideline. Yes there is a business side and there is usually someone who is leading the club who loves the relationships he has with the kids and families and putting their time in.

Yes daddy ball is an issue. Its an extremely rare coach who can treat their kid as just another guy.

Do parents know there is no money in lacrosse? Most college lacrosse programs lose money for their school which means AD's do not care. Most college coaches make much less than 50k. There are 12.6 scholarships per college program of 45 boys. There are almost 0 full rides.

Some of the daddys on here need to spend more time with their wives and less time spouting giberish about club lacrosse. World Championship for U13 is a joke but yea if you spend a couple grand per kid for a lacrosse tournament you better have a good time, at least the fireworks were awesome! Do the parents get happy endings or at least a couples massage? Tournament prices are insane compared to other sports. That is where the racket is.

More posts about the competitive games, the quality of teams / camps / tournaments.
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What is up with Headstrong and such butt parents?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is there anything worthwhile on this forum? Seems like a lot of haters, does that mean a lot of jealousy? My opinion is no club, coach, player or parent is perfect but most are trying to do their best for the kids. Some priorities are different - be the best vs player development vs who can drink more beers in solo cups and contradict coaches more from the parent sideline. Yes there is a business side and there is usually someone who is leading the club who loves the relationships he has with the kids and families and putting their time in.

Yes daddy ball is an issue. Its an extremely rare coach who can treat their kid as just another guy.

Do parents know there is no money in lacrosse? Most college lacrosse programs lose money for their school which means AD's do not care. Most college coaches make much less than 50k. There are 12.6 scholarships per college program of 45 boys. There are almost 0 full rides.

Some of the daddys on here need to spend more time with their wives and less time spouting giberish about club lacrosse. World Championship for U13 is a joke but yea if you spend a couple grand per kid for a lacrosse tournament you better have a good time, at least the fireworks were awesome! Do the parents get happy endings or at least a couples massage? Tournament prices are insane compared to other sports. That is where the racket is.

More posts about the competitive games, the quality of teams / camps / tournaments.


HHH and RS embarrassing themselves at NLF, but Mesa goalie is VERY good!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is there anything worthwhile on this forum? Seems like a lot of haters, does that mean a lot of jealousy? My opinion is no club, coach, player or parent is perfect but most are trying to do their best for the kids. Some priorities are different - be the best vs player development vs who can drink more beers in solo cups and contradict coaches more from the parent sideline. Yes there is a business side and there is usually someone who is leading the club who loves the relationships he has with the kids and families and putting their time in.

Yes daddy ball is an issue. Its an extremely rare coach who can treat their kid as just another guy.

Do parents know there is no money in lacrosse? Most college lacrosse programs lose money for their school which means AD's do not care. Most college coaches make much less than 50k. There are 12.6 scholarships per college program of 45 boys. There are almost 0 full rides.

Some of the daddys on here need to spend more time with their wives and less time spouting giberish about club lacrosse. World Championship for U13 is a joke but yea if you spend a couple grand per kid for a lacrosse tournament you better have a good time, at least the fireworks were awesome! Do the parents get happy endings or at least a couples massage? Tournament prices are insane compared to other sports. That is where the racket is.

More posts about the competitive games, the quality of teams / camps / tournaments.


No, more posts ripping Tad Doyle, I like those.
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Freedom is a joke, coaches fired by Dukes....raids Dukes players from all over the East Coast and claim to be a local club. Shameful
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is there anything worthwhile on this forum? Seems like a lot of haters, does that mean a lot of jealousy? My opinion is no club, coach, player or parent is perfect but most are trying to do their best for the kids. Some priorities are different - be the best vs player development vs who can drink more beers in solo cups and contradict coaches more from the parent sideline. Yes there is a business side and there is usually someone who is leading the club who loves the relationships he has with the kids and families and putting their time in.

Yes daddy ball is an issue. Its an extremely rare coach who can treat their kid as just another guy.

Do parents know there is no money in lacrosse? Most college lacrosse programs lose money for their school which means AD's do not care. Most college coaches make much less than 50k. There are 12.6 scholarships per college program of 45 boys. There are almost 0 full rides.

Some of the daddys on here need to spend more time with their wives and less time spouting giberish about club lacrosse. World Championship for U13 is a joke but yea if you spend a couple grand per kid for a lacrosse tournament you better have a good time, at least the fireworks were awesome! Do the parents get happy endings or at least a couples massage? Tournament prices are insane compared to other sports. That is where the racket is.

More posts about the competitive games, the quality of teams / camps / tournaments.


HHH and RS embarrassing themselves at NLF, but Mesa goalie is VERY good!
Get a clue.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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HHH and RS embarrassing themselves at NLF, but Mesa goalie is VERY good!


I haven't watched HHH this year but have seen Sons' 23 team. They look like a low A team at best. Kudos for them playing up and competing in AA at NLF.
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Sons Low A team , HHH high A team, the only local AA teams are Mesa and BL ,
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sons Low A team , HHH high A team, the only local AA teams are Mesa and BL ,


I would put Mesa at a high A level. They haven't done well against real competition this past year. Maybe they will regain their mojo once they go back to having an A and B team this coming season.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sons Low A team , HHH high A team, the only local AA teams are Mesa and BL ,


HHH is an A team but not a high A team.
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RS just announced they merged with Elevated.

RIP Elevated
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
RS just announced they merged with Elevated.

RIP Elevated

Good acquisition by Sons coupled with Road Warriors should produce strong teams
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
RS just announced they merged with Elevated.

RIP Elevated

Good acquisition by Sons coupled with Road Warriors should produce strong teams


Just adds more players to the program, doesn’t improve the skill of their top teams. But definitely good $ move.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
RS just announced they merged with Elevated.

RIP Elevated

Good acquisition by Sons coupled with Road Warriors should produce strong teams


Just adds more players to the program, doesn’t improve the skill of their top teams. But definitely good $ move.


Did they merge of did the Head of Elevated just move on
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
RS just announced they merged with Elevated.

RIP Elevated

Good acquisition by Sons coupled with Road Warriors should produce strong teams


Just adds more players to the program, doesn’t improve the skill of their top teams. But definitely good $ move.


Did they merge of did the Head of Elevated just move on


Elevated taking over RS
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Is Brotherly Love falling apart? Rumor has it that one of the two founders has walked away from Brotherly Love due to issues on the 2024 team. I also heard they lost one of their best Mid’s and fogo. Very interesting.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
RS just announced they merged with Elevated.

RIP Elevated

Good acquisition by Sons coupled with Road Warriors should produce strong teams


Just adds more players to the program, doesn’t improve the skill of their top teams. But definitely good $ move.


Did they merge of did the Head of Elevated just move on


Elevated taking over RS
No RS hired DD away from West Chester and will not direct their programming. Adding coaches to their existing staff. More of this needs to happen for philly teams to stay competitive.
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Or did WC fire him?
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Lol hired away....,he is despised in WC
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that is true. they spent the entire season chasing players from other teams. they did get a bunch of middies from Roughriders. the one founder left because he did not agree with the philosophy and the vision of only trying to make the WSYL next year. No individual training, one coach at most of the practices last year, a silly initiative into the "national' stage with essentially the same players as their AA team (ie, "money grab"). At least 4 players left the team, couple middies, LSM, FOGO because the organization has become a joke! Founder insulted the entire 2024 team by stating that he now has bigger and faster players to take them to the next level. Winning is the only thing this organization of 12 year olds cares about. they only won one tournament this summer and that was because the team they faced in the finals had a significant injuries including their goalie and had to play with their third string goalie. This will end up like Dukes Nationals.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
that is true. they spent the entire season chasing players from other teams. they did get a bunch of middies from Roughriders. the one founder left because he did not agree with the philosophy and the vision of only trying to make the WSYL next year. No individual training, one coach at most of the practices last year, a silly initiative into the "national' stage with essentially the same players as their AA team (ie, "money grab"). At least 4 players left the team, couple middies, LSM, FOGO because the organization has become a joke! Founder insulted the entire 2024 team by stating that he now has bigger and faster players to take them to the next level. Winning is the only thing this organization of 12 year olds cares about. they only won one tournament this summer and that was because the team they faced in the finals had a significant injuries including their goalie and had to play with their third string goalie. This will end up like Dukes Nationals.


This is comical.....must be a RR guy that didnt make the team.
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Lets talk about Tom Slate. Unbelievable this guy has any following or is allowed to coach youth lacrosse. Heard he jumped from RS to Mesa and is trying to take as many players as are crazy enough to follow him. Mesa I thought was a well run organization, we will see... Pretty sure TS is on his 5th cor 6th club with his 8th grade son. This guy is the definition of toxic. All he does is blow up programs and teams... he coached professionally though right? But does anyone remember that every team he coached folded directly after he coached there? A few years ago running a Dukes program he collected money for registrations and tournaments then did not put his teams in the tournament. Basically stealing money from youth lacrosse players. You seen this dude, he looks like he blew a line on the way to the field. But at least he is a full time youth / HS lacrosse coach driving a Range Rover.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lets talk about Tom Slate. Unbelievable this guy has any following or is allowed to coach youth lacrosse. Heard he jumped from RS to Mesa and is trying to take as many players as are crazy enough to follow him. Mesa I thought was a well run organization, we will see... Pretty sure TS is on his 5th cor 6th club with his 8th grade son. This guy is the definition of toxic. All he does is blow up programs and teams... he coached professionally though right? But does anyone remember that every team he coached folded directly after he coached there? A few years ago running a Dukes program he collected money for registrations and tournaments then did not put his teams in the tournament. Basically stealing money from youth lacrosse players. You seen this dude, he looks like he blew a line on the way to the field. But at least he is a full time youth / HS lacrosse coach driving a Range Rover.


Why would the D Coord at EA leave for the program that feeds Haverford School?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lets talk about Tom Slate. Unbelievable this guy has any following or is allowed to coach youth lacrosse. Heard he jumped from RS to Mesa and is trying to take as many players as are crazy enough to follow him. Mesa I thought was a well run organization, we will see... Pretty sure TS is on his 5th cor 6th club with his 8th grade son. This guy is the definition of toxic. All he does is blow up programs and teams... he coached professionally though right? But does anyone remember that every team he coached folded directly after he coached there? A few years ago running a Dukes program he collected money for registrations and tournaments then did not put his teams in the tournament. Basically stealing money from youth lacrosse players. You seen this dude, he looks like he blew a line on the way to the field. But at least he is a full time youth / HS lacrosse coach driving a Range Rover.

That's not fair.

You forgot to mention that he provided ALL adult sized uniforms for Duke's South as well. It was pretty sweet when the 9 year old kids got handed AXL shorts and jerseys.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lets talk about Tom Slate. Unbelievable this guy has any following or is allowed to coach youth lacrosse. Heard he jumped from RS to Mesa and is trying to take as many players as are crazy enough to follow him. Mesa I thought was a well run organization, we will see... Pretty sure TS is on his 5th cor 6th club with his 8th grade son. This guy is the definition of toxic. All he does is blow up programs and teams... he coached professionally though right? But does anyone remember that every team he coached folded directly after he coached there? A few years ago running a Dukes program he collected money for registrations and tournaments then did not put his teams in the tournament. Basically stealing money from youth lacrosse players. You seen this dude, he looks like he blew a line on the way to the field. But at least he is a full time youth / HS lacrosse coach driving a Range Rover.


Is anyone surprised by this?
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Believe Slate coached a high school team to state championship. Coached a professional team. EA tied HS for fewest goals allowed in inter ac and he is D coordinator. I'm sure you could do better though. Keep trying
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Yep , its all about winning. Don't worry about the integrity he is teaching your kids. The guy has stolen from parents, single handedly brought the demise to a youth program, cheated in youth sports, fired as a high school coach. He is a real star.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
that is true. they spent the entire season chasing players from other teams. they did get a bunch of middies from Roughriders. the one founder left because he did not agree with the philosophy and the vision of only trying to make the WSYL next year. No individual training, one coach at most of the practices last year, a silly initiative into the "national' stage with essentially the same players as their AA team (ie, "money grab"). At least 4 players left the team, couple middies, LSM, FOGO because the organization has become a joke! Founder insulted the entire 2024 team by stating that he now has bigger and faster players to take them to the next level. Winning is the only thing this organization of 12 year olds cares about. they only won one tournament this summer and that was because the team they faced in the finals had a significant injuries including their goalie and had to play with their third string goalie. This will end up like Dukes Nationals.



Just read this post and agree with some but not all of the statements made. My son was a starting MF on the 2024 Hercules team for the past 4 years until we decided to play with a team from LI. We are located in Northern PA not Philly. The two founders are stand up guys and it is certainly not a money grab. Although I believe they truly care about these boys and parents they dropped the ball with this team over the past two years. They should have handed these boys off to “Professional” coaches several years ago and the lack of coaching and fundamental training is the reason they have struggled beating the BBL’s and NXT’s. I believe they are trying to address that with the coaches from the Academy Team. A lot of talent on that team! I know my son loved playing with those boys and the parents were great but to many broken promises in regards to coaches and training. You can’t just roll a ball out on game day and expect the boys to compete with the best teams in the country! I leave you with this ISO......ISO......ISO. My BLove family will know what it means. Hopefully see you at the WSYL.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
that is true. they spent the entire season chasing players from other teams. they did get a bunch of middies from Roughriders. the one founder left because he did not agree with the philosophy and the vision of only trying to make the WSYL next year. No individual training, one coach at most of the practices last year, a silly initiative into the "national' stage with essentially the same players as their AA team (ie, "money grab"). At least 4 players left the team, couple middies, LSM, FOGO because the organization has become a joke! Founder insulted the entire 2024 team by stating that he now has bigger and faster players to take them to the next level. Winning is the only thing this organization of 12 year olds cares about. they only won one tournament this summer and that was because the team they faced in the finals had a significant injuries including their goalie and had to play with their third string goalie. This will end up like Dukes Nationals.



Just read this post and agree with some but not all of the statements made. My son was a starting MF on the 2024 Hercules team for the past 4 years until we decided to play with a team from LI. We are located in Northern PA not Philly. The two founders are stand up guys and it is certainly not a money grab. Although I believe they truly care about these boys and parents they dropped the ball with this team over the past two years. They should have handed these boys off to “Professional” coaches several years ago and the lack of coaching and fundamental training is the reason they have struggled beating the BBL’s and NXT’s. I believe they are trying to address that with the coaches from the Academy Team. A lot of talent on that team! I know my son loved playing with those boys and the parents were great but to many broken promises in regards to coaches and training. You can’t just roll a ball out on game day and expect the boys to compete with the best teams in the country! I leave you with this ISO......ISO......ISO. My BLove family will know what it means. Hopefully see you at the WSYL.


Same problems with 2023. Other teams are catching up because their holdbacks aren’t the biggest anymore
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What happened with the US Lacrosse Nationals? I see the girls played but no sign of the boys. Heard various unsubstantiated rumors that nobody wanted to go, the teams didn't quality due to over age double holdback pre-first reclass kids, and that US Lacrosse screwed up the points calculations so they really didn't know who qualified and thus killed it.

anyone in the know?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
What happened with the US Lacrosse Nationals? I see the girls played but no sign of the boys. Heard various unsubstantiated rumors that nobody wanted to go, the teams didn't quality due to over age double holdback pre-first reclass kids, and that US Lacrosse screwed up the points calculations so they really didn't know who qualified and thus killed it.

anyone in the know?


It’s in August, that’s what happened
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lets talk about Tom Slate. Unbelievable this guy has any following or is allowed to coach youth lacrosse. Heard he jumped from RS to Mesa and is trying to take as many players as are crazy enough to follow him. Mesa I thought was a well run organization, we will see... Pretty sure TS is on his 5th cor 6th club with his 8th grade son. This guy is the definition of toxic. All he does is blow up programs and teams... he coached professionally though right? But does anyone remember that every team he coached folded directly after he coached there? A few years ago running a Dukes program he collected money for registrations and tournaments then did not put his teams in the tournament. Basically stealing money from youth lacrosse players. You seen this dude, he looks like he blew a line on the way to the field. But at least he is a full time youth / HS lacrosse coach driving a Range Rover.

That's not fair.

You forgot to mention that he provided ALL adult sized uniforms for Duke's South as well. It was pretty sweet when the 9 year old kids got handed AXL shorts and jerseys.



100% true, Dukes South was a complete nightmare, he took money cancelled tournaments the day before they were supposed to take place and never refunded any of the money. Not sure why any organization would even go down that road.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lets talk about Tom Slate. Unbelievable this guy has any following or is allowed to coach youth lacrosse. Heard he jumped from RS to Mesa and is trying to take as many players as are crazy enough to follow him. Mesa I thought was a well run organization, we will see... Pretty sure TS is on his 5th cor 6th club with his 8th grade son. This guy is the definition of toxic. All he does is blow up programs and teams... he coached professionally though right? But does anyone remember that every team he coached folded directly after he coached there? A few years ago running a Dukes program he collected money for registrations and tournaments then did not put his teams in the tournament. Basically stealing money from youth lacrosse players. You seen this dude, he looks like he blew a line on the way to the field. But at least he is a full time youth / HS lacrosse coach driving a Range Rover.

That's not fair.

You forgot to mention that he provided ALL adult sized uniforms for Duke's South as well. It was pretty sweet when the 9 year old kids got handed AXL shorts and jerseys.



100% true, Dukes South was a complete nightmare, he took money cancelled tournaments the day before they were supposed to take place and never refunded any of the money. Not sure why any organization would even go down that road.

Doesn't matter, all Mesa or any other club cares about is does bringing the toxin on make the team better. Once they have the kids they can get rid of him at any point.
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Scorpion
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Are Sons 2023 folding?
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Are Sons 2023 folding?


Yes, might as well rebrand as the fading sons. Program in disarray. MSI partnershipn and recent mergers are lipstick on a pig. Get out while you can.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are Sons 2023 folding?

Plenty of kids at tryouts. Why would they be folding?
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Sons are best club team in philly area. Why the fake news
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are Sons 2023 folding?


Yes, might as well rebrand as the fading sons. Program in disarray. MSI partnershipn and recent mergers are lipstick on a pig. Get out while you can.

Because one team that gets poached and will struggle defines them? Pretty sure all 3 of their HS teams are legit and during our tryout there were a ton of kids on the other field for younger tryouts.
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Mesa and WC youth association now partners. Thoughts?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are Sons 2023 folding?

Plenty of kids at tryouts. Why would they be folding?


Tons of kids left for other clubs, they will have a team, but a B team at best.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sons are best club team in philly area. Why the fake news

I'm trying to figure out if this is sarcasm or if I'm only familiar with the 2023 team.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are Sons 2023 folding?

Plenty of kids at tryouts. Why would they be folding?


Tons of kids left for other clubs, they will have a team, but a B team at best.


What about '25 Sons?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are Sons 2023 folding?

Plenty of kids at tryouts. Why would they be folding?


Tons of kids left for other clubs, they will have a team, but a B team at best.


So no different from this past year where they played at a high B, low A level.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are Sons 2023 folding?

Plenty of kids at tryouts. Why would they be folding?


Tons of kids left for other clubs, they will have a team, but a B team at best.

Where did they all go?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are Sons 2023 folding?

Plenty of kids at tryouts. Why would they be folding?


Tons of kids left for other clubs, they will have a team, but a B team at best.


So no different from this past year where they played at a high B, low A level.


I’d expect much worse with top 6-8 kid’s gone
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are Sons 2023 folding?

Plenty of kids at tryouts. Why would they be folding?


Tons of kids left for other clubs, they will have a team, but a B team at best.


What about '25 Sons?

Should be strong
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are Sons 2023 folding?

Plenty of kids at tryouts. Why would they be folding?


Tons of kids left for other clubs, they will have a team, but a B team at best.

Where did they all go?


Followed the coach to mesa
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Are Sons 2023 folding?

Plenty of kids at tryouts. Why would they be folding?


Tons of kids left for other clubs, they will have a team, but a B team at best.


What about '25 Sons?

Should be strong[/quote


This is the first time they tried to field a 2025 team. They folded up their 2024 team a few years ago, burning many bridges at this level, only to barely piece together a reconstituted 2024 team this past year. Track record not so good. Maybe Elevated will bring players to these younger teams, but be careful about paying money upfront before you absolutely know they have an actual team in place at the skill level you’re looking for. These won’t be AA teams, and probably not A teams. Good luck!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are Sons 2023 folding?

Plenty of kids at tryouts. Why would they be folding?


Tons of kids left for other clubs, they will have a team, but a B team at best.

Where did they all go?


Followed the coach to mesa


Mesa can’t be notIntelligent enough to let him coach 2023 there.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are Sons 2023 folding?

Plenty of kids at tryouts. Why would they be folding?


Tons of kids left for other clubs, they will have a team, but a B team at best.

Where did they all go?


Followed the coach to mesa


Mesa can’t be notIntelligent enough to let him coach 2023 there.

Not everyone is going to Mesa
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The death of Sons 2023 can be directly traced to Big 5. That team was a bad idea and now none of the players that played on that team are happy with their “not Big 5” club team.
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The death of Sons 2023 can be directly traced to Big 5. That team was a bad idea and now none of the players that played on that team are happy with their “not Big 5” club team.

Then why are kids who were not on Big 5 leaving Sons?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
The death of Sons 2023 can be directly traced to Big 5. That team was a bad idea and now none of the players that played on that team are happy with their “not Big 5” club team.


Who didn’t see that coming?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The death of Sons 2023 can be directly traced to Big 5. That team was a bad idea and now none of the players that played on that team are happy with their “not Big 5” club team.

Then why are kids who were not on Big 5 leaving Sons?

Their not my son and a bunch of his friends are staying.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
The death of Sons 2023 can be directly traced to Big 5. That team was a bad idea and now none of the players that played on that team are happy with their “not Big 5” club team.

Then why are kids who were not on Big 5 leaving Sons?

Their not my son and a bunch of his friends are staying.


Sons has 3-4 good kids and they are all headed to Mesa. They were never a AA team but still played in those brackets....now they will have to play B
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[quote=Anonymous]Are Sons 2023 folding?

Plenty of kids at tryouts. Why would they be folding?


Tons of kids left for other clubs, they will have a team, but a B team at best.


What about '25 Sons?

Should be strong[/quote


This is the first time they tried to field a 2025 team. They folded up their 2024 team a few years ago, burning many bridges at this level, only to barely piece together a reconstituted 2024 team this past year. Track record not so good. Maybe Elevated will bring players to these younger teams, but be careful about paying money upfront before you absolutely know they have an actual team in place at the skill level you’re looking for. These won’t be AA teams, and probably not A teams. Good luck!
So funny, they didn't fold their 2024 team up they basically gave it to nxt and its now nxt strongest team. There were a ton of kids trying out at the 2024. My son was on the Rising Sons team last year and we were B. He did not make it this year. There was a ton of talent. We are accepting the B invite because of the coaching. You have zero clue what you are talking about. With Brian Samson coaching 2025's i'm sure the team 10 kids will soon be leaving.
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Noticing a lot of teams are having supplemental tryouts. Is the talent pool that bad?
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Noticing a lot of teams are having supplemental tryouts. Is the talent pool that bad?


There are way too many local teams, you can't pitch playing AA events if you don't have the horses. Freedom is a great example they have always had very solid AA teams and now they are forced to bring in kids from all over the East Coast. When only two, maybe three teams can truly field AA teams at 2023 and 2024 with local kids it shows how diluted the talent pool is. It won't change though as long as parents keep spending $2000-3000 to have there son play.
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Noticing a lot of teams are having supplemental tryouts. Is the talent pool that bad?


I’m gonna say that is probably one of the major reasons. The other reason is that tryouts range all over the place... some started in June, some haven’t even happened yet. Players are probably taking whatever offers they get as a safety net until they are on the team they really want, then back out of the other offers, so teams now have to backfill for empty spots.
Truth is Merging with MSI killed the 2023s. Despite reassuring summer practices would stay at MP, it's only a matter of time before everything ends up at MSI. Why would MSI rent field space when they own fields? For at least half the kids MP was a haul, now add 30-45 mins. MP and All Sports was a better mix for most.

90% of the kids would have stayed despite being under .500 this year, there were few teams that can say they played that tough of schedule all year. It also hurt by not having named a coaching staff for 2023 and below no knew what they would be walking into, especially after announcing the Elevated merger.
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Originally Posted by Montco
Truth is Merging with MSI killed the 2023s. Despite reassuring summer practices would stay at MP, it's only a matter of time before everything ends up at MSI. Why would MSI rent field space when they own fields? For at least half the kids MP was a haul, now add 30-45 mins. MP and All Sports was a better mix for most.

90% of the kids would have stayed despite being under .500 this year, there were few teams that can say they played that tough of schedule all year. It also hurt by not having named a coaching staff for 2023 and below no knew what they would be walking into, especially after announcing the Elevated merger.


No they wouldn't have...
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Philly 2021 Rankings
1. Mesa
2. Sons
3. HHH
4. Freedom
5. NXT
6. Team 11
7.
8.
9.
10. Fusion
11. Rough Riders
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Mesa expanding geographically

http://www.oldeenglishlax.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/230/2018/09/Mesa-OE-Press-Release.pdf
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Originally Posted by Montco
Truth is Merging with MSI killed the 2023s. Despite reassuring summer practices would stay at MP, it's only a matter of time before everything ends up at MSI. Why would MSI rent field space when they own fields? For at least half the kids MP was a haul, now add 30-45 mins. MP and All Sports was a better mix for most.

90% of the kids would have stayed despite being under .500 this year, there were few teams that can say they played that tough of schedule all year. It also hurt by not having named a coaching staff for 2023 and below no knew what they would be walking into, especially after announcing the Elevated merger.


My understanding is that the 23's coach left, took his best kids to Mesa and no replacement was named. That was enough for pretty much all the kids to bail.
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2022 Ranking

Big 4 HHH
Mesa
Duke's
Freedom
South Shore
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2022 Ranking

Big 4 HHH
Mesa
Duke's
Freedom
South Shore



Sons. Nuff said
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Rising Sons has a good FOGO on an average team. The FOGO is also on Dukes. Sons doesn’t make the top 5. They couldn’t compete with Mesa and Big 4 last year and have lost players.
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Rising Sons were crushed by Mesa and HHH at the Ice Breaker.
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Rising Sons were crushed by Mesa and HHH at the Ice Breaker.


But their training is so much better than everyone else. They may have lost, but the level of coaching the kids have received since will put them ahead. Who is coaching your kid?
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"But their training is so much better than everyone else." You are being sarcastic, right?

Daddy-ball at its finest!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rising Sons were crushed by Mesa and HHH at the Ice Breaker.


But their training is so much better than everyone else. They may have lost, but the level of coaching the kids have received since will put them ahead. Who is coaching your kid?


2 coaches who played D1 and have no kids.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rising Sons were crushed by Mesa and HHH at the Ice Breaker.


But their training is so much better than everyone else. They may have lost, but the level of coaching the kids have received since will put them ahead. Who is coaching your kid?


TD thinks he is the best coach out there, just ask him, he will tell you...
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rising Sons were crushed by Mesa and HHH at the Ice Breaker.


But their training is so much better than everyone else. They may have lost, but the level of coaching the kids have received since will put them ahead. Who is coaching your kid?


What’s the Sons Fall schedule? I want to catch a game or two.
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Did any Rising Sons team win a game today? Asking for a friend.
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Lost to Freedom
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2023 scores from yesterday - MD 91, Freedom, Patriot?
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Did any of their teams win a game or just more fraud
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2023 scores from yesterday - MD 91, Freedom, Patriot?

Don't remember the scores but...

MD 91 tied Patriot and lost to Freedom. No idea what they did against Sons.
Sons lost to Freedom. No idea what they did against the others.
Freedom won all their games.
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Penn State’s 2020 class just got a whole lot better today.
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Penn State’s 2020 class just got a whole lot better today.

No surprise there, the shocking thing is that another school is interested.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Penn State’s 2020 class just got a whole lot better today.

No surprise there, the shocking thing is that another school is interested.



It's not the kids fault his Dad is the way he is. Karma is biting him in the butt right now. Create the Big 5 and than watch the two coaches dismantle your program has to be a killer...Sons is just a place to play now so you can say you play travel lacrosse.
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His partner was arrested again.
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Trash. You come on here and degrade a kid in high school.
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Penn State’s 2020 class just got a whole lot better today.



Maybe they know something best HS attackman in years just de-committed....
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Or maybe 8th grade verbal commitments are assinine
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what happened to Uprising?
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what happened to Uprising?

Uprising is run through HHH on the girls side but ends in 6th grade (with the hopes that some of the girls will continue with HHH through Middle and high school). I think the boys side fell through (but it too was briefly being run through HHH).
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What is going on with Malvern this year? They are barely scoring any goals, and from what I have seen they are losing way more than they are winning? I bet people are not happy about paying so much to go there for years just to stink when they finally make the Varsity team.
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Thoughts on what Nostrants departure means for Mesa Club Teams?
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Thoughts on what Nostrants departure means for Mesa Club Teams?


TS will take over and drive it into the ground like he’s done everywhere else.
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What is going on with Malvern this year? They are barely scoring any goals, and from what I have seen they are losing way more than they are winning? I bet people are not happy about paying so much to go there for years just to stink when they finally make the Varsity team.



I'm not a Malvern person, but really? Didn't they lose 5-4 to Haverford School? I wouldn't say they stink, you obviously have an ax to grind with Malvern.
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What is going on with Malvern this year? They are barely scoring any goals, and from what I have seen they are losing way more than they are winning? I bet people are not happy about paying so much to go there for years just to stink when they finally make the Varsity team.



I'm not a Malvern person, but really? Didn't they lose 5-4 to Haverford School? I wouldn't say they stink, you obviously have an ax to grind with Malvern.

I had the exact same reaction. Both not being an MP person and also thinking that a 1 goal loss to THS is a pretty solid performance by what has to be a team that doesn't' "stink".
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Lost to Delbarton, Seton Hall and St. Sebastian’s, I doubt anyone at Malvern is happy with those results.
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What is going on with Malvern this year? They are barely scoring any goals, and from what I have seen they are losing way more than they are winning? I bet people are not happy about paying so much to go there for years just to stink when they finally make the Varsity team.



I'm not a Malvern person, but really? Didn't they lose 5-4 to Haverford School? I wouldn't say they stink, you obviously have an ax to grind with Malvern.

I had the exact same reaction. Both not being an MP person and also thinking that a 1 goal loss to THS is a pretty solid performance by what has to be a team that doesn't' "stink".

Malvern is good but I think Haverford and EA are better. EA started season with guys on IR but those players are nowback and team is clicking. Haverford and EA play today - should be interesting.
Another Interac thought - does McKinney stay at GA if he goes 0-5 in league again?
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What is going on with Malvern this year? They are barely scoring any goals, and from what I have seen they are losing way more than they are winning? I bet people are not happy about paying so much to go there for years just to stink when they finally make the Varsity team.



I'm not a Malvern person, but really? Didn't they lose 5-4 to Haverford School? I wouldn't say they stink, you obviously have an ax to grind with Malvern.

I had the exact same reaction. Both not being an MP person and also thinking that a 1 goal loss to THS is a pretty solid performance by what has to be a team that doesn't' "stink".


Malvern is good but I think Haverford and EA are better. EA started season with guys on IR but those players are nowback and team is clicking. Haverford and EA play today - should be interesting.
Another Interac thought - does McKinney stay at GA if he goes 0-5 in league again?


For the record, Malvern went 16-5 for the season, beat EA twice, and just won their second straight InterAc conference title over Haverford. Props to Haverford in a really hard fought double OT final game that either team could have won. Impressive season and effort put in by both teams.
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What is going on with Malvern this year? They are barely scoring any goals, and from what I have seen they are losing way more than they are winning? I bet people are not happy about paying so much to go there for years just to stink when they finally make the Varsity team.



I'm not a Malvern person, but really? Didn't they lose 5-4 to Haverford School? I wouldn't say they stink, you obviously have an ax to grind with Malvern.

I had the exact same reaction. Both not being an MP person and also thinking that a 1 goal loss to THS is a pretty solid performance by what has to be a team that doesn't' "stink".


Malvern is good but I think Haverford and EA are better. EA started season with guys on IR but those players are nowback and team is clicking. Haverford and EA play today - should be interesting.
Another Interac thought - does McKinney stay at GA if he goes 0-5 in league again?


For the record, Malvern went 16-5 for the season, beat EA twice, and just won their second straight InterAc conference title over Haverford. Props to Haverford in a really hard fought double OT final game that either team could have won. Impressive season and effort put in by both teams.

Agreed, MP is the best team in Philly this year and they have a ton of jrs and sophs returning...its not how you start, its how you finish
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Seems so odd to me, that Sons 2020 has all kinds of great things happening, but that TD isn't publicizing any of it? The have a kid going Ivy for football (no small feat), a bunch of kids made UA and lots of great write ups! I can't imagine why no press is being given? I guess when it isn't his "son" it doesn't matter?!
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I thought we agreed to be nice . TD grew up, now you should too .
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TD didn’t grow up, he is the same guy. He only ever cares about one kid. I do feel sorry for him, it has been a really rough year.
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Academy of the New Church? How are they fielding such a competitive team at such a small school? Thoughts?
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Academy of the New Church? How are they fielding such a competitive team at such a small school? Thoughts?

The recruit heavily
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Anybody involved with the Brotherly Love Academy program? How is this different than the other teams at BL? or are they one in the same?
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Anybody involved with the Brotherly Love Academy program? How is this different than the other teams at BL? or are they one in the same?

It costs more. And as for the "or are they one in the same?" question that legitimately depends on the age group you're asking about. At this point I think that the 23-25 BLA teams are really similar rosters to the 23-25 BL teams. According to the BLA organizers you get regular training times with some really impressive coaches which is clearly a plus. According to parents I've spoken with at multiple age levels who were involved with BLA this year, those really impressive coaches are NOT regular coaches of the BLA teams at tournaments. The regular BL coaches end up coaching the BLA teams in tournaments.

So if you're looking for your son to get extra training it MAY be of value. But if you're expecting those coaches to actually be involved with your son when it counts (during actual gameplay), that more than likely won't happen. And before any BL/BLA loyalists try to say I'm lying I have been at multiple tournaments this summer of multiple ages that BLA teams were at and saw the regular BL coaches with those teams. That's just facts.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anybody involved with the Brotherly Love Academy program? How is this different than the other teams at BL? or are they one in the same?

It costs more. And as for the "or are they one in the same?" question that legitimately depends on the age group you're asking about. At this point I think that the 23-25 BLA teams are really similar rosters to the 23-25 BL teams. According to the BLA organizers you get regular training times with some really impressive coaches which is clearly a plus. According to parents I've spoken with at multiple age levels who were involved with BLA this year, those really impressive coaches are NOT regular coaches of the BLA teams at tournaments. The regular BL coaches end up coaching the BLA teams in tournaments.

So if you're looking for your son to get extra training it MAY be of value. But if you're expecting those coaches to actually be involved with your son when it counts (during actual gameplay), that more than likely won't happen. And before any BL/BLA loyalists try to say I'm lying I have been at multiple tournaments this summer of multiple ages that BLA teams were at and saw the regular BL coaches with those teams. That's just facts.


I think this is a pretty fair description. For the 23s, the line between BLA and BL Zeus was pretty blurry - Academy kids were called in to play for Zeus.

Pros of the program:
- The training really is quite good. If I could list this 10 times, I would, because the training really is excellent.
- More swag
- More opportunities to practice at a high level with other good players
- Good starting point if you want to join a Brotherly Love team

Cons of the program:
- Advertised as not conflicting with regular club team practices and tournaments, but.....
- Tournaments attended were not "elite" but rather the same tournaments other local club teams attend. But if you are a fan of winning t-shirts, that's a pro not a con.
- Cost. It's expensive, especially if you can't make all the practices.

If the cost isn't an issue for you, I believe it is worth it for the training. But you have to be ok with the eventual schedule conflicts that will inevitably arise.
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Anybody involved with the Brotherly Love Academy program? How is this different than the other teams at BL? or are they one in the same?

It costs more. And as for the "or are they one in the same?" question that legitimately depends on the age group you're asking about. At this point I think that the 23-25 BLA teams are really similar rosters to the 23-25 BL teams. According to the BLA organizers you get regular training times with some really impressive coaches which is clearly a plus. According to parents I've spoken with at multiple age levels who were involved with BLA this year, those really impressive coaches are NOT regular coaches of the BLA teams at tournaments. The regular BL coaches end up coaching the BLA teams in tournaments.

So if you're looking for your son to get extra training it MAY be of value. But if you're expecting those coaches to actually be involved with your son when it counts (during actual gameplay), that more than likely won't happen. And before any BL/BLA loyalists try to say I'm lying I have been at multiple tournaments this summer of multiple ages that BLA teams were at and saw the regular BL coaches with those teams. That's just facts.


I think this is a pretty fair description. For the 23s, the line between BLA and BL Zeus was pretty blurry - Academy kids were called in to play for Zeus.

Pros of the program:
- The training really is quite good. If I could list this 10 times, I would, because the training really is excellent.
- More swag
- More opportunities to practice at a high level with other good players
- Good starting point if you want to join a Brotherly Love team

Cons of the program:
- Advertised as not conflicting with regular club team practices and tournaments, but.....
- Tournaments attended were not "elite" but rather the same tournaments other local club teams attend. But if you are a fan of winning t-shirts, that's a pro not a con.
- Cost. It's expensive, especially if you can't make all the practices.

If the cost isn't an issue for you, I believe it is worth it for the training. But you have to be ok with the eventual schedule conflicts that will inevitably arise.



It’s the same as Dukes Nationals, Elite tournaments don’t exist that don’t conflict, so you’ll play basic tournaments with regular club teams. The coaches they advertise aren’t involved to the level you would expect for the money. Find a club that is competitive and play with them, unless you want to play for BL because this is basically a money making recruiting hammerhead for them.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anybody involved with the Brotherly Love Academy program? How is this different than the other teams at BL? or are they one in the same?

It costs more. And as for the "or are they one in the same?" question that legitimately depends on the age group you're asking about. At this point I think that the 23-25 BLA teams are really similar rosters to the 23-25 BL teams. According to the BLA organizers you get regular training times with some really impressive coaches which is clearly a plus. According to parents I've spoken with at multiple age levels who were involved with BLA this year, those really impressive coaches are NOT regular coaches of the BLA teams at tournaments. The regular BL coaches end up coaching the BLA teams in tournaments.

So if you're looking for your son to get extra training it MAY be of value. But if you're expecting those coaches to actually be involved with your son when it counts (during actual gameplay), that more than likely won't happen. And before any BL/BLA loyalists try to say I'm lying I have been at multiple tournaments this summer of multiple ages that BLA teams were at and saw the regular BL coaches with those teams. That's just facts.


I think this is a pretty fair description. For the 23s, the line between BLA and BL Zeus was pretty blurry - Academy kids were called in to play for Zeus.

Pros of the program:
- The training really is quite good. If I could list this 10 times, I would, because the training really is excellent.
- More swag
- More opportunities to practice at a high level with other good players
- Good starting point if you want to join a Brotherly Love team

Cons of the program:
- Advertised as not conflicting with regular club team practices and tournaments, but.....
- Tournaments attended were not "elite" but rather the same tournaments other local club teams attend. But if you are a fan of winning t-shirts, that's a pro not a con.
- Cost. It's expensive, especially if you can't make all the practices.

If the cost isn't an issue for you, I believe it is worth it for the training. But you have to be ok with the eventual schedule conflicts that will inevitably arise.



It’s the same as Dukes Nationals, Elite tournaments don’t exist that don’t conflict, so you’ll play basic tournaments with regular club teams. The coaches they advertise aren’t involved to the level you would expect for the money. Find a club that is competitive and play with them, unless you want to play for BL because this is basically a money making recruiting hammerhead for them.


Big difference between Duke's Nationals and Academy is that Academy's training is real and it's great. Duke's Nationals gave up on good mini camps and training a long time ago.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anybody involved with the Brotherly Love Academy program? How is this different than the other teams at BL? or are they one in the same?

It costs more. And as for the "or are they one in the same?" question that legitimately depends on the age group you're asking about. At this point I think that the 23-25 BLA teams are really similar rosters to the 23-25 BL teams. According to the BLA organizers you get regular training times with some really impressive coaches which is clearly a plus. According to parents I've spoken with at multiple age levels who were involved with BLA this year, those really impressive coaches are NOT regular coaches of the BLA teams at tournaments. The regular BL coaches end up coaching the BLA teams in tournaments.

So if you're looking for your son to get extra training it MAY be of value. But if you're expecting those coaches to actually be involved with your son when it counts (during actual gameplay), that more than likely won't happen. And before any BL/BLA loyalists try to say I'm lying I have been at multiple tournaments this summer of multiple ages that BLA teams were at and saw the regular BL coaches with those teams. That's just facts.


I think this is a pretty fair description. For the 23s, the line between BLA and BL Zeus was pretty blurry - Academy kids were called in to play for Zeus.

Pros of the program:
- The training really is quite good. If I could list this 10 times, I would, because the training really is excellent.
- More swag
- More opportunities to practice at a high level with other good players
- Good starting point if you want to join a Brotherly Love team

Cons of the program:
- Advertised as not conflicting with regular club team practices and tournaments, but.....
- Tournaments attended were not "elite" but rather the same tournaments other local club teams attend. But if you are a fan of winning t-shirts, that's a pro not a con.
- Cost. It's expensive, especially if you can't make all the practices.

If the cost isn't an issue for you, I believe it is worth it for the training. But you have to be ok with the eventual schedule conflicts that will inevitably arise.



It’s the same as Dukes Nationals, Elite tournaments don’t exist that don’t conflict, so you’ll play basic tournaments with regular club teams. The coaches they advertise aren’t involved to the level you would expect for the money. Find a club that is competitive and play with them, unless you want to play for BL because this is basically a money making recruiting hammerhead for them.


Big difference between Duke's Nationals and Academy is that Academy's training is real and it's great. Duke's Nationals gave up on good mini camps and training a long time ago.


No difference, both trainings are good. You can find the same great training at clinics that are cheaper and you don’t have to pay into a National Team. Complete waste of time and money.
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Anybody involved with the Brotherly Love Academy program? How is this different than the other teams at BL? or are they one in the same?

It costs more. And as for the "or are they one in the same?" question that legitimately depends on the age group you're asking about. At this point I think that the 23-25 BLA teams are really similar rosters to the 23-25 BL teams. According to the BLA organizers you get regular training times with some really impressive coaches which is clearly a plus. According to parents I've spoken with at multiple age levels who were involved with BLA this year, those really impressive coaches are NOT regular coaches of the BLA teams at tournaments. The regular BL coaches end up coaching the BLA teams in tournaments.

So if you're looking for your son to get extra training it MAY be of value. But if you're expecting those coaches to actually be involved with your son when it counts (during actual gameplay), that more than likely won't happen. And before any BL/BLA loyalists try to say I'm lying I have been at multiple tournaments this summer of multiple ages that BLA teams were at and saw the regular BL coaches with those teams. That's just facts.


I think this is a pretty fair description. For the 23s, the line between BLA and BL Zeus was pretty blurry - Academy kids were called in to play for Zeus.

Pros of the program:
- The training really is quite good. If I could list this 10 times, I would, because the training really is excellent.
- More swag
- More opportunities to practice at a high level with other good players
- Good starting point if you want to join a Brotherly Love team

Cons of the program:
- Advertised as not conflicting with regular club team practices and tournaments, but.....
- Tournaments attended were not "elite" but rather the same tournaments other local club teams attend. But if you are a fan of winning t-shirts, that's a pro not a con.
- Cost. It's expensive, especially if you can't make all the practices.

If the cost isn't an issue for you, I believe it is worth it for the training. But you have to be ok with the eventual schedule conflicts that will inevitably arise.



It’s the same as Dukes Nationals, Elite tournaments don’t exist that don’t conflict, so you’ll play basic tournaments with regular club teams. The coaches they advertise aren’t involved to the level you would expect for the money. Find a club that is competitive and play with them, unless you want to play for BL because this is basically a money making recruiting hammerhead for them.


Big difference between Duke's Nationals and Academy is that Academy's training is real and it's great. Duke's Nationals gave up on good mini camps and training a long time ago.


No difference, both trainings are good. You can find the same great training at clinics that are cheaper and you don’t have to pay into a National Team. Complete waste of time and money.


As someone who has done both programs, I couldn't disagree with your statement more. Academy's training has been fantastic. Duke's stopped having good positional training ages ago.
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Is this the beginning of the end to brotherly love? 2022 folds into Rising Sons and takes brotherly loves prized coaches Urso and Mueller with them?
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Is this the beginning of the end to brotherly love? 2022 folds into Rising Sons and takes brotherly loves prized coaches Urso and Mueller with them?

I thought Brotherly Love didn't have a good enough turnout last year to make a 2022 high school team. I assume Urso's son went to Sons which would explain that move. Mueller seems to be coaching a lot of teams these days.
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Anyone have any information on Rising Sons or NXT for 2026?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone have any information on Rising Sons or NXT for 2026?


Not competitive
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone have any information on Rising Sons or NXT for 2026?


Not competitive


Does that really matter? For a rising 6th grader, shouldn't you be looking for the program that provides the best development for your son?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone have any information on Rising Sons or NXT for 2026?


Not competitive


Does that really matter? For a rising 6th grader, shouldn't you be looking for the program that provides the best development for your son?


If you are looking to continue to play more township level lacrosse with a massive expense sure. If you are looking to have them play with better players and at a higher level of competition no.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone have any information on Rising Sons or NXT for 2026?


Not competitive


Does that really matter? For a rising 6th grader, shouldn't you be looking for the program that provides the best development for your son?


If you are looking to continue to play more township level lacrosse with a massive expense sure. If you are looking to have them play with better players and at a higher level of competition no.


Serious question - why does NXT get put down so much? They seem very professional with a lot of big name coaches and a great social media presence. Plus no daddy ball. I know some of the teams aren't great but they appear to have a pretty consistent roster year over year so clearly the families see value and I have to imagine the kids are getting good coaching and are improving. Why the hate?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone have any information on Rising Sons or NXT for 2026?


Not competitive


Does that really matter? For a rising 6th grader, shouldn't you be looking for the program that provides the best development for your son?


If you are looking to continue to play more township level lacrosse with a massive expense sure. If you are looking to have them play with better players and at a higher level of competition no.


Serious question - why does NXT get put down so much? They seem very professional with a lot of big name coaches and a great social media presence. Plus no daddy ball. I know some of the teams aren't great but they appear to have a pretty consistent roster year over year so clearly the families see value and I have to imagine the kids are getting good coaching and are improving. Why the hate?

NXT has highly credentialed coaching but the teams dont get respect because it seems like they're locked into so many of the NXT-run tournaments where the competition isn't very good (ie Meltdown, NXT Cup, PA Invitational, Blue Hen, MVP Towson, etc). No doubt NXT is a marketing machine but when there are no college copaches on the sidelines a lot of the better players leave for Mesa, HHH, RS, or Dukes hoping for more exposure. My $.02
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Thank you for this comment. Relatively new to the club team scene and was hoping to get some honest opinions on clubs for this age group. Not much out there for newbies. What are the best clubs for this age group?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thank you for this comment. Relatively new to the club team scene and was hoping to get some honest opinions on clubs for this age group. Not much out there for newbies. What are the best clubs for this age group?


Mesa and Freedom most competitive with good coaching in the area
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Have you even read through these comments? Every club gets put down here. Hurt feelings and different agendas all over the place.
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Coaching at NXT consists of DIII college players just out of college and/or some DIII coaches from local colleges. Their "AA" teams are really "A" level and "A" level are "B". They don't play in any tournaments with real competition -- from Philly, MD or Long Island. Don't believe the hype -- that is all it is.
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To be fair, their 2024 team is up there with BL for top team in Philly area and they played in the NLF this summer.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
To be fair, their 2024 team is up there with BL for top team in Philly area and they played in the NLF this summer.


But the 24 team wasn't home grown. They were a gift from Sons.
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That was 4 years ago when the initial Sons break up happened. Holding onto all of those kids going into your 5th season seems pretty home grown to me. NXT is a very capable team with great coaching. Definitely in the mix for top team in Philly.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
That was 4 years ago when the initial Sons break up happened. Holding onto all of those kids going into your 5th season seems pretty home grown to me. NXT is a very capable team with great coaching. Definitely in the mix for top team in Philly.


1 good 2024 team ( now) but who knows what it will turn into... all the rest B+ or worse.
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Didn’t 2024 BL beat Freedom? Watched both teams play before and would not agree with that statement. Freedom not the same caliber.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thank you for this comment. Relatively new to the club team scene and was hoping to get some honest opinions on clubs for this age group. Not much out there for newbies. What are the best clubs for this age group?


Mesa and Freedom most competitive with good coaching in the area


Is it possible to get a tryout for 2026 Tigers xxvi?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Didn’t 2024 BL beat Freedom? Watched both teams play before and would not agree with that statement. Freedom not the same caliber.


Brotherly Love Academy beat Freedom in Maryland last November. Brotherly Love Zeus did not play Freedom at all this past season.

Not surprising that an all start team with players from multiple clubs can beat a regular club team.
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I’m sure you can get a tryout...just be careful. Offense runs though a player who’s dad coaches there...that always ends well!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
That was 4 years ago when the initial Sons break up happened. Holding onto all of those kids going into your 5th season seems pretty home grown to me. NXT is a very capable team with great coaching. Definitely in the mix for top team in Philly.


Maybe at the 24 level (and certainly helped by having one 24 dad who is a former D1 coach) but certainly not at any other level.
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Couldn't agree with you more. But that said NXT does have the infrastructure and support to help kids reach the next level. While many of their teams don't win a ton and aren't very good none of the college coaches care about that. Only the parents are concerned with wins/losses. No coach in the country gives a garbage about that stuff. Not one.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Couldn't agree with you more. But that said NXT does have the infrastructure and support to help kids reach the next level. While many of their teams don't win a ton and aren't very good none of the college coaches care about that. Only the parents are concerned with wins/losses. No coach in the country gives a garbage about that stuff. Not one.


NXT doesn’t have any advantage over any of the local clubs. No coach cares about social media either, and don’t watch the B bracket teams
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Couldn't agree with you more. But that said NXT does have the infrastructure and support to help kids reach the next level. While many of their teams don't win a ton and aren't very good none of the college coaches care about that. Only the parents are concerned with wins/losses. No coach in the country gives a garbage about that stuff. Not one.


It's not about the Ws or Ls, it's about developing and showcasing players. If your team stinks, it's hard to stand out.
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Who said anything about Freedom? We are talking about NXT, BL Daddy.
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I thought the demise of Brotherly Love was upon us??? 23 Zeus and 24 Hercules are solid
Once you get below those teams, which have been dominant for the last few years it gets weak.
25 academy was a supposed garbage fest
26 academy? Who and where did they roll out that team....would be interested to see how many other club kids made that stretch? How many of the top 26’s around tried it? 26Thor not very good, even with “guest”players week to week
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Definitely an inside BL job. Their owner and parents love to troll this site. Not sure if anyone really cares this much about BL accept BL themselves. Not sure what there is to discuss about them at this point.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I thought the demise of Brotherly Love was upon us??? 23 Zeus and 24 Hercules are solid
Once you get below those teams, which have been dominant for the last few years it gets weak.
25 academy was a supposed garbage fest
26 academy? Who and where did they roll out that team....would be interested to see how many other club kids made that stretch? How many of the top 26’s around tried it? 26Thor not very good, even with “guest”players week to week


Zeus is solid if they bring in the Academy kids and still pay as Zeus
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Definitely an inside BL job. Their owner and parents love to troll this site. Not sure if anyone really cares this much about BL accept BL themselves. Not sure what there is to discuss about them at this point.


Exactly they have 2 good teams, the rest are weak. Bait and switch with the coaches, and the owner is person.
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BL has tested a new business model with '23 Academy. It worked. BL Zeus will be vastly improved in the coming year with the additions recruited through Academy. Hate 'em or love 'em, they have transformed themselves from "one of the top teams in Philly" to THE top team. Don't know don't care about the other years, but it's a compelling proposition that will certainly be copied. As we learned first hand with Duke's, once a very good player gets a taste of elite caliber play, it's f'ing addictive! The kids gravitate toward excellence--they want to play up.

IMO, this is good for Philadelphia lacrosse. The top programs should be developing teams that can compete with the Crabs, the Hawks, the 91 and Express wherever versions. Of course, it remains to be seen if BL will step up and take on comparable competition and actually risk losing an occasional game, or continue to slum in club tournaments.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I thought the demise of Brotherly Love was upon us??? 23 Zeus and 24 Hercules are solid
Once you get below those teams, which have been dominant for the last few years it gets weak.
25 academy was a supposed garbage fest
26 academy? Who and where did they roll out that team....would be interested to see how many other club kids made that stretch? How many of the top 26’s around tried it? 26Thor not very good, even with “guest”players week to week


Zeus is solid if they bring in the Academy kids and still pay as Zeus

Ironic turn of phrase on this one given that I've heard the 25 team was SO worried about losing kids that they scholarshipped 5 kids on the Zeus team to get them to come back this year. You can try to spin it however you want but I personally know of at least 10 kids from that team who were at OTHER teams' tryouts the past few weeks. That doesn't speak to a healthy team/organization there.
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BL didn't test a new model they copied the Dukes National model. Zeus improved because RR collapsed at the 24 age group and they picked some key pieces. Both the 23 and 24 teams are solid teams. Don't know if they are "the" top team and frankly don't know what that really gets you other than a tactic to keep mom and dad happy. There is nothing addictive about elite caliber play. Elite caliber training and seeing results at an elite level is addictive. What we learned first hand from Dukes is they prayed on the unknowing because there is nothing addictive nor elite about the Lake Placid tournament.

In defense of BL they definitely are not shy about playing anyone anywhere. Zeus played in highly tournaments this year which would suggest we've already seen their willingness to take on comparable competition. They certainly didn't hide or slum in tournaments.

The 23 team has been together and solid for years so i have no idea what now has all of sudden worked. They are exactly the same as they have been since they started that team, very solid on a national level. This academy concept has had zero effect except for their younger age groups.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
BL has tested a new business model with '23 Academy. It worked. BL Zeus will be vastly improved in the coming year with the additions recruited through Academy. Hate 'em or love 'em, they have transformed themselves from "one of the top teams in Philly" to THE top team. Don't know don't care about the other years, but it's a compelling proposition that will certainly be copied. As we learned first hand with Duke's, once a very good player gets a taste of elite caliber play, it's f'ing addictive! The kids gravitate toward excellence--they want to play up.

IMO, this is good for Philadelphia lacrosse. The top programs should be developing teams that can compete with the Crabs, the Hawks, the 91 and Express wherever versions. Of course, it remains to be seen if BL will step up and take on comparable competition and actually risk losing an occasional game, or continue to slum in club tournaments.


I think the jury is out in terms of whether or not this strategy "worked". Sure, they got some amazing players from Mesa to move to BL, but as you said, where are they going to take that.

Two things - first, as you said, they need to play in higher caliber tournaments. And second, they are going to have to show that they can manage the high school recruiting process.

As for other teams copying this strategy, I think NXT was the first to offer "elite" training as a method for recruiting talent via NLA and Hype Night. Of course that's at a larger scale than Academy.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BL has tested a new business model with '23 Academy. It worked. BL Zeus will be vastly improved in the coming year with the additions recruited through Academy. Hate 'em or love 'em, they have transformed themselves from "one of the top teams in Philly" to THE top team. Don't know don't care about the other years, but it's a compelling proposition that will certainly be copied. As we learned first hand with Duke's, once a very good player gets a taste of elite caliber play, it's f'ing addictive! The kids gravitate toward excellence--they want to play up.

IMO, this is good for Philadelphia lacrosse. The top programs should be developing teams that can compete with the Crabs, the Hawks, the 91 and Express wherever versions. Of course, it remains to be seen if BL will step up and take on comparable competition and actually risk losing an occasional game, or continue to slum in club tournaments.


I think the jury is out in terms of whether or not this strategy "worked". Sure, they got some amazing players from Mesa to move to BL, but as you said, where are they going to take that.

Two things - first, as you said, they need to play in higher caliber tournaments. And second, they are going to have to show that they can manage the high school recruiting process.

As for other teams copying this strategy, I think NXT was the first to offer "elite" training as a method for recruiting talent via NLA and Hype Night. Of course that's at a larger scale than Academy.


You need to have talent to attract talent. 23 and 24 have talent (thanks to earlier mistakes by Freedom and RR) all other teams are weak so no one is coming. NXT didn’t attract anyone with their Hype nights and media circus because they don’t have talent.
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Freedom and RR mistakes?
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Can't wait to watch that talent implode...good clubs don't worry about the posers. They just go about their business and act like they've been there before.
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I find this discussion fascinating. Every team has some percentage of turn over every year. And given the landscape of entitled kids bred by stunad parents not sure player movement can be attributed to mistakes made by the previous club. When it comes to parents if you don't stroke them and tell them how special little Johnnie is 24/7 that club is evil and they look to move. Some clubs do employ the motto of having to have talent to attract talent while others develop it organically. Different models, different approaches each riddled with its fair share of draw backs and benefits which becomes illustrated by what parents enforce. Unfortunately you have a general population that know little about the sport, little about how to evaluate the right situation for their kid, and zero appetite to weather the storm of this long process.
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25 BL Academy.... half the team threatened to leave after the other half trash was fighting and making a spectacle at Hershey. Panic time....for someone. Maybe selling your soul for a win at youth lacrosse might not be good for business.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I find this discussion fascinating. Every team has some percentage of turn over every year. And given the landscape of entitled kids bred by stunad parents not sure player movement can be attributed to mistakes made by the previous club. When it comes to parents if you don't stroke them and tell them how special little Johnnie is 24/7 that club is evil and they look to move. Some clubs do employ the motto of having to have talent to attract talent while others develop it organically. Different models, different approaches each riddled with its fair share of draw backs and benefits which becomes illustrated by what parents enforce. Unfortunately you have a general population that know little about the sport, little about how to evaluate the right situation for their kid, and zero appetite to weather the storm of this long process.




Great Post
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You know every youth lacrosse coach laughs at the argument taking place on this board. Your "great" 12 year old is never the "great" 15 year old. Even if you look at the best area high schools for lax...it doesn't always match up with the best club teams in that same area.
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...testosterone. The great equalizer.
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https://phillylacrosse.com/2019/keating-after-many-stops-returns-as-st-josephs-prep-head-coach/

The Prep named Dan Keating as new head coach. I'm sure this guy is great, but there was an odd sentence in the article. Sounds like he just left Stockton to be a volunteer assistance coach at Bryant? He's in in 40's, has a family (mentioned in the article) with plenty of collegiate coaching experience - why would he need to or want to take a position as a volunteer assistance coach?

I read the Bryant article announcing his hiring and found it ironic that the head coach at Bryant mentioned his loyalty...sounds like that only lasted 6 weeks.

Anybody know what the real story is with this guy?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
https://phillylacrosse.com/2019/keating-after-many-stops-returns-as-st-josephs-prep-head-coach/

The Prep named Dan Keating as new head coach. I'm sure this guy is great, but there was an odd sentence in the article. Sounds like he just left Stockton to be a volunteer assistance coach at Bryant? He's in in 40's, has a family (mentioned in the article) with plenty of collegiate coaching experience - why would he need to or want to take a position as a volunteer assistance coach?

I read the Bryant article announcing his hiring and found it ironic that the head coach at Bryant mentioned his loyalty...sounds like that only lasted 6 weeks.

Anybody know what the real story is with this guy?


Agreed. I had to read the article twice because his resume was so confusing. Maybe he simply wants to be in Philly.
Bottom line is that St Joes Prep needs help. Other than La Salle, the Catholic League is not good lacrosse and SJP has fallen a lot since the glory days. Why are coaches at SJP for such short periods of time? Eric Gregg left in 2014. Then German came in for a brief time, then Delaney, then Gilbert and now Keeting. That's a lot of turnover. sudents / families must be frustrated with lack of consistency.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BL has tested a new business model with '23 Academy. It worked. BL Zeus will be vastly improved in the coming year with the additions recruited through Academy. detest 'em or love 'em, they have transformed themselves from "one of the top teams in Philly" to THE top team. Don't know don't care about the other years, but it's a compelling proposition that will certainly be copied. As we learned first hand with Duke's, once a very good player gets a taste of elite caliber play, it's ddictive! The kids gravitate toward excellence--they want to play up.

IMO, this is good for Philadelphia lacrosse. The top programs should be developing teams that can compete with the Crabs, the Hawks, the 91 and Express wherever versions. Of course, it remains to be seen if BL will step up and take on comparable competition and actually risk losing an occasional game, or continue to slum in club tournaments.


I think the jury is out in terms of whether or not this strategy "worked". Sure, they got some amazing players from Mesa to move to BL, but as you said, where are they going to take that.

Two things - first, as you said, they need to play in higher caliber tournaments. And second, they are going to have to show that they can manage the high school recruiting process.

As for other teams copying this strategy, I think NXT was the first to offer "elite" training as a method for recruiting talent via NLA and Hype Night. Of course that's at a larger scale than Academy.


You need to have talent to attract talent. 23 and 24 have talent (thanks to earlier mistakes by Freedom and RR) all other teams are weak so no one is coming. NXT didn’t attract anyone with their Hype nights and media circus because they don’t have talent.


Saw that Brotherly Love went 3-0 while NXT went 2-1 losing to BL 9-2 @ the Jersey Invitational.

Freedom played @ the Liberty Fall Classic (a weaker tournament compared to the Jersey Inv.) and went 2-1 losing to Blak Widow with wins over Black Bear 7-5 & Cavalier 7-2. Thoughts?
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Originally Posted by NorthEastLaxer
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BL has tested a new business model with '23 Academy. It worked. BL Zeus will be vastly improved in the coming year with the additions recruited through Academy. detest 'em or love 'em, they have transformed themselves from "one of the top teams in Philly" to THE top team. Don't know don't care about the other years, but it's a compelling proposition that will certainly be copied. As we learned first hand with Duke's, once a very good player gets a taste of elite caliber play, it's ddictive! The kids gravitate toward excellence--they want to play up.

IMO, this is good for Philadelphia lacrosse. The top programs should be developing teams that can compete with the Crabs, the Hawks, the 91 and Express wherever versions. Of course, it remains to be seen if BL will step up and take on comparable competition and actually risk losing an occasional game, or continue to slum in club tournaments.


I think the jury is out in terms of whether or not this strategy "worked". Sure, they got some amazing players from Mesa to move to BL, but as you said, where are they going to take that.

Two things - first, as you said, they need to play in higher caliber tournaments. And second, they are going to have to show that they can manage the high school recruiting process.

As for other teams copying this strategy, I think NXT was the first to offer "elite" training as a method for recruiting talent via NLA and Hype Night. Of course that's at a larger scale than Academy.


You need to have talent to attract talent. 23 and 24 have talent (thanks to earlier mistakes by Freedom and RR) all other teams are weak so no one is coming. NXT didn’t attract anyone with their Hype nights and media circus because they don’t have talent.


Saw that Brotherly Love went 3-0 while NXT went 2-1 losing to BL 9-2 @ the Jersey Invitational.

Freedom played @ the Liberty Fall Classic (a weaker tournament compared to the Jersey Inv.) and went 2-1 losing to Blak Widow with wins over Black Bear 7-5 & Cavalier 7-2. Thoughts?


yeah...you have too much time on your hands. Go spend some time with your family instead of researching the results of Fall Ball Tourney's.
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Originally Posted by NorthEastLaxer
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BL has tested a new business model with '23 Academy. It worked. BL Zeus will be vastly improved in the coming year with the additions recruited through Academy. detest 'em or love 'em, they have transformed themselves from "one of the top teams in Philly" to THE top team. Don't know don't care about the other years, but it's a compelling proposition that will certainly be copied. As we learned first hand with Duke's, once a very good player gets a taste of elite caliber play, it's ddictive! The kids gravitate toward excellence--they want to play up.

IMO, this is good for Philadelphia lacrosse. The top programs should be developing teams that can compete with the Crabs, the Hawks, the 91 and Express wherever versions. Of course, it remains to be seen if BL will step up and take on comparable competition and actually risk losing an occasional game, or continue to slum in club tournaments.


I think the jury is out in terms of whether or not this strategy "worked". Sure, they got some amazing players from Mesa to move to BL, but as you said, where are they going to take that.

Two things - first, as you said, they need to play in higher caliber tournaments. And second, they are going to have to show that they can manage the high school recruiting process.

As for other teams copying this strategy, I think NXT was the first to offer "elite" training as a method for recruiting talent via NLA and Hype Night. Of course that's at a larger scale than Academy.


You need to have talent to attract talent. 23 and 24 have talent (thanks to earlier mistakes by Freedom and RR) all other teams are weak so no one is coming. NXT didn’t attract anyone with their Hype nights and media circus because they don’t have talent.


Saw that Brotherly Love went 3-0 while NXT went 2-1 losing to BL 9-2 @ the Jersey Invitational.

Freedom played @ the Liberty Fall Classic (a weaker tournament compared to the Jersey Inv.) and went 2-1 losing to Blak Widow with wins over Black Bear 7-5 & Cavalier 7-2. Thoughts?


NXT had a very weak schedule at the Jersey Invitational. Their first 2 games were against low B teams. The preds team they played was the C team. The O2 team was horrible.

The Freedom team you are talking about is Freedom White, their B team.
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PA roughriders went 3-0 at IL invitational. Congrats on the reclass find who went to 1 practice. Does the kids and coach know his name? We know the director does....
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by NorthEastLaxer
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BL has tested a new business model with '23 Academy. It worked. BL Zeus will be vastly improved in the coming year with the additions recruited through Academy. detest 'em or love 'em, they have transformed themselves from "one of the top teams in Philly" to THE top team. Don't know don't care about the other years, but it's a compelling proposition that will certainly be copied. As we learned first hand with Duke's, once a very good player gets a taste of elite caliber play, it's ddictive! The kids gravitate toward excellence--they want to play up.

IMO, this is good for Philadelphia lacrosse. The top programs should be developing teams that can compete with the Crabs, the Hawks, the 91 and Express wherever versions. Of course, it remains to be seen if BL will step up and take on comparable competition and actually risk losing an occasional game, or continue to slum in club tournaments.


I think the jury is out in terms of whether or not this strategy "worked". Sure, they got some amazing players from Mesa to move to BL, but as you said, where are they going to take that.

Two things - first, as you said, they need to play in higher caliber tournaments. And second, they are going to have to show that they can manage the high school recruiting process.

As for other teams copying this strategy, I think NXT was the first to offer "elite" training as a method for recruiting talent via NLA and Hype Night. Of course that's at a larger scale than Academy.


You need to have talent to attract talent. 23 and 24 have talent (thanks to earlier mistakes by Freedom and RR) all other teams are weak so no one is coming. NXT didn’t attract anyone with their Hype nights and media circus because they don’t have talent.


Saw that Brotherly Love went 3-0 while NXT went 2-1 losing to BL 9-2 @ the Jersey Invitational.

Freedom played @ the Liberty Fall Classic (a weaker tournament compared to the Jersey Inv.) and went 2-1 losing to Blak Widow with wins over Black Bear 7-5 & Cavalier 7-2. Thoughts?


yeah...you have too much time on your hands. Go spend some time with your family instead of researching the results of Fall Ball Tourney's.


LOL @ the fall ball research comment. Freedom white (there B squad) was at Liberty. Thoughts, it is Fall Ball....not the best indicator of anything.
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Seems so odd to me that Rising Sons hasn't posted one single kid signing their letter of intent, anyone else think that is super weird? Isn't the entire point of club teams to get kids onto college teams, and isn't this their first graduating class? And, don't they have all kinds of kids going to great schools? Why aren't they mentioning any of those kids?
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says the inferior philly team
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says the inferior philly team


That has to be the oddest reply ever...
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Why is ok one talking about Fusion? Saw their teams won a box tournament over the weekend. Even AA brackets!
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Why is ok one talking about Fusion? Saw their teams won a box tournament over the weekend. Even AA brackets!


They have always had excellent box teams.
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3 of the Fusion Teams won championships in Richmond
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Fusion is a good club....they get lost in the mix because they don't chase trophies and focus on improving their players instead of bringing in new ones each year. I think Freedom has a similar model and it allows them to develop players. I would probably put Team 11 in that same category as well.
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They have a great group of coaches, but the rest of it is nonsense. They have open tryouts every year they just don't draw the top talent. Every club until the HS ages looks to improve there teams and would make whole sale changes to get better if the opportunity presented itself.
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Why is ok one talking about Fusion? Saw their teams won a box tournament over the weekend. Even AA brackets!


LOL just cause you call it AA bracket doesn’t mean it’s a AA Bracket those teams are very weak and are all fusion teams
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Fusion is a good club....they get lost in the mix because they don't chase trophies and focus on improving their players instead of bringing in new ones each year. I think Freedom has a similar model and it allows them to develop players. I would probably put Team 11 in that same category as well.


Do not kid yourself, any club will take the best talent out there,,,whether it be Freedom, Team 11 or otherwise...and they certainly do not have any problem winning trophies...while every club would like to appear holier than thou and "develop" players, if they weren't hunting trophies or wins, they would skip tournaments altogether and just have play days with other clubs.
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if they weren't hunting trophies or wins, they would skip tournaments altogether and just have play days with other clubs.


That's a ridiculous statement. You get better by playing other teams, especially ones that are a bit better than your team. Of course that is in combination with practices, etc.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
if they weren't hunting trophies or wins, they would skip tournaments altogether and just have play days with other clubs.


That's a ridiculous statement. You get better by playing other teams, especially ones that are a bit better than your team. Of course that is in combination with practices, etc.


Ok wise guy name a philly team top ranked in the nation? None
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
if they weren't hunting trophies or wins, they would skip tournaments altogether and just have play days with other clubs.


That's a ridiculous statement. You get better by playing other teams, especially ones that are a bit better than your team. Of course that is in combination with practices, etc.


Ok wise guy name a philly team top ranked in the nation? None


Brotherly Love 2023. By the way they beat the Annapolis Hawks and Dukes Nationals this fall.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
if they weren't hunting trophies or wins, they would skip tournaments altogether and just have play days with other clubs.


That's a ridiculous statement. You get better by playing other teams, especially ones that are a bit better than your team. Of course that is in combination with practices, etc.


Ok wise guy name a philly team top ranked in the nation? None


Brotherly Love 2023. By the way they beat the Annapolis Hawks and Dukes Nationals this fall.


Not to ruin the holiday mood but ranked 12 isn’t a top national team. Is the donk above right ?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
if they weren't hunting trophies or wins, they would skip tournaments altogether and just have play days with other clubs.


That's a ridiculous statement. You get better by playing other teams, especially ones that are a bit better than your team. Of course that is in combination with practices, etc.


Ok wise guy name a philly team top ranked in the nation? None


Brotherly Love 2023. By the way they beat the Annapolis Hawks and Dukes Nationals this fall.


Not to ruin the holiday mood but ranked 12 isn’t a top national team. Is the donk above right ?


Not to ruin your holiday cheer, but US Club Lax's ranking system is a joke.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
if they weren't hunting trophies or wins, they would skip tournaments altogether and just have play days with other clubs.


That's a ridiculous statement. You get better by playing other teams, especially ones that are a bit better than your team. Of course that is in combination with practices, etc.


Ok wise guy name a philly team top ranked in the nation? None


Brotherly Love 2023. By the way they beat the Annapolis Hawks and Dukes Nationals this fall.


Not to ruin the holiday mood but ranked 12 isn’t a top national team. Is the donk above right ?


Not to ruin your holiday cheer, but US Club Lax's ranking system is a joke.


Says bl? Any philly teams top 5? None
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Says bl? Any philly teams top 5? None

I wouldn't put much faith in that USCL ranking list, especially when it is based in part on fall ball.

I've watched the Brotherly Love 2023s play this fall and they are very good even with a few key players missing. They have some new guys who moved from Mesa who are going to make a huge impact. I expect that they will be pretty dominant come summer.
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Top 5 on USCL: DC Dogs, T91 Bandits, Hawks, LI Express, Crabs. Which one of these clubs should be below BL 2023. Go ahead I will wait.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
if they weren't hunting trophies or wins, they would skip tournaments altogether and just have play days with other clubs.


That's a ridiculous statement. You get better by playing other teams, especially ones that are a bit better than your team. Of course that is in combination with practices, etc.


Ok wise guy name a philly team top ranked in the nation? None


Wrong. Went through us club national ranks today in slow work time and , HHH 2020 is ranked 11, freedom has a few teams at 11, HHH 2025 is 5, Tigers 2026 is 3. Sounds like philly lax is doing just fine. Go birds
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Top 5 on USCL: DC Dogs, T91 Bandits, Hawks, LI Express, Crabs. Which one of these clubs should be below BL 2023. Go ahead I will wait.


I think we will see BL 23s competitive with Hawks, Express and Crabs.Only time will tell though. We can revisit in the summer.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
if they weren't hunting trophies or wins, they would skip tournaments altogether and just have play days with other clubs.


That's a ridiculous statement. You get better by playing other teams, especially ones that are a bit better than your team. Of course that is in combination with practices, etc.


Why is this ridiculous, you can schedule a play day with any club(s) (even ones better than you) happens all of the time, sure would save a lot of time and money. But this is obviously the point that you do not understand, if your club doesn't hit you for tournament fees, they do not make money. Just look at what the tournament entry fees are, and then look at how much each player on you club is paying for the tournament.
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I think 3 of the top 5 players in college lacrosse from Philly area right? Amant, Dox and Moore? Pretty impressive and I know a lot more Philly kids on these top college teams. Philly area doing something right
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philly lacrosse is doing good. #1 philly teams according to us club lacrosse by year are 2020 hhh, 2021 mesa, 2022 freedom, 2023 brotherly love, 2024 brotherly love, 2025 hhh, 2026 tigers xxvi. all these teams rank good in the nation
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If using seniors in a JV box tournament bracket and calling yourself champion is the next route lax is taking then yes you are a joke
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philly lacrosse is doing good. #1 philly teams according to us club lacrosse by year are 2020 hhh, 2021 mesa, 2022 freedom, 2023 brotherly love, 2024 brotherly love, 2025 hhh, 2026 tigers xxvi. all these teams rank good in the nation


The BL 2023 academy team was very strong this fall, and I would be interested to see how they do this summer. Is the BL 2023 team the academy team going forward or does Zeus still exist
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Not really a lacrosse fan but am writing a paper on growing sports in America. Lacrosse is the fastest growing sport by percentage. It is thought that it will grow more if they make some rule changes....specifically eliminate the face off. What is your thought?
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Girl's draw is more exciting. Boy's, not so much
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Not sure it is going to matter this year......pretty certain all spring lacrosse will be canceled. Perhaps things will get better by the summer club tourneys.
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sounds like some summer tourneys are being delayed but are still optimistic they will play.
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Received notice of virtual training for the next couple of weeks, tournaments pushed back to July and August.
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Received notice of virtual training for the next couple of weeks, tournaments pushed back to July and August.


which club?
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NXT thinks they are having tournaments start in a few weeks. Pro sports cant start but they think its ok to play youth sports....
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NXT thinks they are having tournaments start in a few weeks. Pro sports cant start but they think its ok to play youth sports....


I think they moved their June tournaments. Organized sports are not allowed anywhere in PA right now (including counties that are in the "yellow").
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they moved them to GA and other states that thought it was safe to open back up....
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they moved them to GA and other states that thought it was safe to open back up....


Call me crazy but I don't see the northeast lax players heading down in droves to play in Georgia and trvel via airplane and stay in hotels etc . . .
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they moved them to GA and other states that thought it was safe to open back up....


Call me crazy but I don't see the northeast lax players heading down in droves to play in Georgia and trvel via airplane and stay in hotels etc . . .


Plus one less school to travel to the South to

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/arti...se-program-amid-financial-concerns/56421
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Not a lot of action on the PA board lately. Any teams improve this year or any movement with tryouts in full swing?
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Only teams from Long Island and Maryland can improve and be great.......if this forum has told me anything is that Pennsylvania is an afterthought despite producing the some of the best players in the college game...year after year.
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Only teams from Long Island and Maryland can improve and be great.......if this forum has told me anything is that Pennsylvania is an afterthought despite producing the some of the best players in the college game...year after year.
My theory is that it is in fact an inverse correlation between a regions chatter on the board and the success of their players in college and beyond. PA kids (and parents) have more than lacrosse. It's not jammed down their throat from the age of 4. The kids come to appreciate the game for what it is and have fun with it, driving their success through HS and beyond. Meanwhile the Baltimore and Long Island kids are just waiting to get away from their forking bat shirt crazy dads so they can do what they want to do (which after 14 years of never ending lacrosse practice ain't lacrosse).

So be proud in the lack of chatter on this area of the site. It's Healthy. If you want Real Housewives style drama just drop into the MD or Strong Island board, stir the pot by something like "HIT THE WALL" and then drop out.
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On point post above. Probably why the best players are coming from SE PA and central PA keeps getting stronger. Play for the love of the game and quality, grounded coaching focused on development not program egos. BTW, Freedom, Mesa and HHH all pretty strong teams at the national HS club level. Springfield, Stoga can normally play with anyone in the country and Malvern, Haverford as privates already do.
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On point post above. Probably why the best players are coming from SE PA and central PA keeps getting stronger. Play for the love of the game and quality, grounded coaching focused on development not program egos. BTW, Freedom, Mesa and HHH all pretty strong teams at the national HS club level. Springfield, Stoga can normally play with anyone in the country and Malvern, Haverford as privates already do.
This is so true. The MD and LI parents live vicariously through their youth lax clubs/players and the PA parents realize there is more to life. That being said the top teams are definitely not in PA and I can't argue with the Hawks parents in MD or Express/Igloo/91 folks on LI that they have better teams.
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Let's get this board going if we have other PA parents on here. Maybe we can even be rational and informative unlike some of the other forums. I don't know a ton of age groups, but who is best 2024-2026? from what I know I would say..

2024 Brotherly Love
2025 Big 4 HHH
2026 PA Roughriders
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's get this board going if we have other PA parents on here. Maybe we can even be rational and informative unlike some of the other forums. I don't know a ton of age groups, but who is best 2024-2026? from what I know I would say..

2024 Brotherly Love
2025 Big 4 HHH
2026 PA Roughriders
Seems fair as 2024 Brotherly Love went to WSYL 2019, 2025 Big 4 HHH is top 10 ranking national and 2026 PA RR beat FCA and VLC this summer while winning 2 tournaments. I'd add 2027 Mesa who went 3-0 at Summer Exposure and 2028 NXT who has won multiple tournaments this summer. PA lax is legit and we deserve the recognition of beatin DMV teams without having a ton of holdbacks.
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Freedom 2024 #1, beat BL. Tigers 2026 #1, Freedom #2, RR#3.
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PA lacrosse has always been legit. We just dont have the intellectual shortcomings to have to crow about it like MD and NY. Tons of players in the pro ranks and D1 historically despite relative low number of programs.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's get this board going if we have other PA parents on here. Maybe we can even be rational and informative unlike some of the other forums. I don't know a ton of age groups, but who is best 2024-2026? from what I know I would say..

2024 Brotherly Love
2025 Big 4 HHH
2026 PA Roughriders

2024 NXT is also very good

2025 is team 10 who beat HHH and had a great season. HHh is very good and top ranked.these teams are top 10 nationally
2026 is Tigers. Ranked number 2 in nation and only team nationally to beat the hawks who are 1.
2027 is rough riders who crushed Mesa and undefeated. Mesa also is good here.

Philly lax is very good
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From reading the MD forum, what exactly happened with RR 2026 against FCA this year? Seems they played several times and MD forum reported brawls and parents threatening each other. Having older sons that have played against FCA, they seem to be the worst coaches and parents despite their supposed "Christian" focus. If any RR parents are viewing, what the heck happened?
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I don't think FCA is any worse (on a parent level) then any other team. Every parent wants their team to win. The 2026 RR team is very talented and have been playing together for years....probably the best team in the West Chester area at that age group. BTW...I have no dog in this fight as my sons play in a different age group. I will say...and this has been consistent....MD players are more physical at a younger age. Sometimes that does not translate well as they move in to 7th-8th-9th grade levels.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's get this board going if we have other PA parents on here. Maybe we can even be rational and informative unlike some of the other forums. I don't know a ton of age groups, but who is best 2024-2026? from what I know I would say..

2024 Brotherly Love
2025 Big 4 HHH
2026 PA Roughriders

2024 NXT is also very good

2025 is team 10 who beat HHH and had a great season. HHh is very good and top ranked.these teams are top 10 nationally
2026 is Tigers. Ranked number 2 in nation and only team nationally to beat the hawks who are 1.
2027 is rough riders who crushed Mesa and undefeated. Mesa also is good here.

Philly lax is very good

Agree with what you wrote. Overlooked is Freedom. In 2024 Freedom is #1, BL 2, NXT 3. 2025 would add Freedom as #4 behind HHH Tribal Team10. 2026 Freedom is #2 & good in 2027.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's get this board going if we have other PA parents on here. Maybe we can even be rational and informative unlike some of the other forums. I don't know a ton of age groups, but who is best 2024-2026? from what I know I would say..

2024 Brotherly Love
2025 Big 4 HHH
2026 PA Roughriders

2024 NXT is also very good

2025 is team 10 who beat HHH and had a great season. HHh is very good and top ranked.these teams are top 10 nationally
2026 is Tigers. Ranked number 2 in nation and only team nationally to beat the hawks who are 1.
2027 is rough riders who crushed Mesa and undefeated. Mesa also is good here.

Philly lax is very good
2026 Tigers is definitely #1 if you include them, but they rarely play in local tournaments and aren't really a PA team in my opinion. 00% agree if you include them, they are tops in 2026 and not even close.
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I don't think FCA is any worse (on a parent level) then any other team. Every parent wants their team to win. The 2026 RR team is very talented and have been playing together for years....probably the best team in the West Chester area at that age group. BTW...I have no dog in this fight as my sons play in a different age group. I will say...and this has been consistent....MD players are more physical at a younger age. Sometimes that does not translate well as they move in to 7th-8th-9th grade levels.
I think the FCA coaches are much worse than other teams. Both the language in general and how often they direct it to opposing benches and players on the field. I agree the parents are no different than any other squad. The 2026 FCA has a stacked defense, but struggles on offense which is why they had so many good matchups with a strong RR attack unit. The fight was between and RR defender and FCA attackman at the end of a heated championship game. Kids lost their cool which is unacceptable but happens and then parents/coaches followed with lots of screaming and yelling but nothing physical and its all in the past now. The teams played again after this (tie game at Platinum Cup) which had no issues and lots of respect form players on both sides. I agree, MD teams are much more physical than PA overall which can swing games at younger ages.
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2024 NXT is also very good

2025 is team 10 who beat HHH and had a great season. HHh is very good and top ranked.these teams are top 10 nationally
2026 is Tigers. Ranked number 2 in nation and only team nationally to beat the hawks who are 1.
2027 is rough riders who crushed Mesa and undefeated. Mesa also is good here.

Philly lax is very good[/quote]

Agree with what you wrote. Overlooked is Freedom. In 2024 Freedom is #1, BL 2, NXT 3. 2025 would add Freedom as #4 behind HHH Tribal Team10. 2026 Freedom is #2 & good in 2027.[/quote]

agree with consistency of freedom, they do it well.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
2024 NXT is also very good

2025 is team 10 who beat HHH and had a great season. HHh is very good and top ranked.these teams are top 10 nationally
2026 is Tigers. Ranked number 2 in nation and only team nationally to beat the hawks who are 1.
2027 is rough riders who crushed Mesa and undefeated. Mesa also is good here.

Philly lax is very good

Agree with what you wrote. Overlooked is Freedom. In 2024 Freedom is #1, BL 2, NXT 3. 2025 would add Freedom as #4 behind HHH Tribal Team10. 2026 Freedom is #2 & good in 2027.[/quote]

agree with consistency of freedom, they do it well.[/quote]

LOL....you can ask Freedom who is #1 at 24 and they will tell you....
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Freedom seems to get the philosophy of developing their players. This isn't a shot at Brotherly Love but they cycle players in and out of their program in an effort to chase trophies. I'm not sure who the top central PA team is.....we have played a few but you never know what you are getting. Many of the kids end up playing further south in Maryland but are PA players.
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agree with consistency of freedom, they do it well.[/quote]

LOL....you can ask Freedom who is #1 at 24 and they will tell you....[/quote]

Please keep the PA board civil and let us be classy unlike the other boards. Even though everyone in PA has a spirited rivalry let's keep sportsmanship.
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Agree with the civility. This entire ranking thing to me seems like a fools errand. What I can't resolve in my head is what exactly is the benefit of being #1. Coaches recruit individual kids not teams based on their ranking.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Freedom seems to get the philosophy of developing their players. This isn't a shot at Brotherly Love but they cycle players in and out of their program in an effort to chase trophies. I'm not sure who the top central PA team is.....we have played a few but you never know what you are getting. Many of the kids end up playing further south in Maryland but are PA players.

You clearly have no clue what you are talking about...the 23 and 24 BL teams have had the same core kids for years. Freedom 23 would be an example of cycling players to chase W's...
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Agree with the civility. This entire ranking thing to me seems like a fools errand. What I can't resolve in my head is what exactly is the benefit of being #1. Coaches recruit individual kids not teams based on their ranking.

Better teams will draw more coaches to there games ...you will see a lot more coaches on the sidelines of a 91 team than (add any team not in the top 20)....
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Freedom seems to get the philosophy of developing their players. This isn't a shot at Brotherly Love but they cycle players in and out of their program in an effort to chase trophies. I'm not sure who the top central PA team is.....we have played a few but you never know what you are getting. Many of the kids end up playing further south in Maryland but are PA players.

You clearly have no clue what you are talking about...the 23 and 24 BL teams have had the same core kids for years. Freedom 23 would be an example of cycling players to chase W's...

Both Brotherly Love and Freedom have open tryouts each year through high school. It's not unexpected that some players will leave (whether on their own or not) and new players will take their place.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Freedom seems to get the philosophy of developing their players. This isn't a shot at Brotherly Love but they cycle players in and out of their program in an effort to chase trophies. I'm not sure who the top central PA team is.....we have played a few but you never know what you are getting. Many of the kids end up playing further south in Maryland but are PA players.

You clearly have no clue what you are talking about...the 23 and 24 BL teams have had the same core kids for years. Freedom 23 would be an example of cycling players to chase W's...

Stop BL 23 has replaced more kids in the last 3 years than Freedom 23. Same 18-20 kids on Freedom over the last 3 years.
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The same holds true with BL 24. And the same holds for EVERY program in the lacrosse business. It's a function of the environment that every club at every age group in every geography deals with. BL isn't special or different. heck not just the core but their entire 22 team up and vanished. "Core" and all.
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Bottom line: parents find and choose the the program that they feel comfortable with and fit in. My son could change programs and get more wins - but he is happy, getting better and I feel good about the coaches. There are a lot of good clubs to choose from in this area. I thank God my kid isn't on any "Team 91" team. But that's me.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bottom line: parents find and choose the the program that they feel comfortable with and fit in. My son could change programs and get more wins - but he is happy, getting better and I feel good about the coaches. There are a lot of good clubs to choose from in this area. I thank God my kid isn't on any "Team 91" team. But that's me.


Exactly. How many of us grew up with the "all star" 12-13 year old who would not even start on their varsity high school team because they never developed in the game.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Freedom seems to get the philosophy of developing their players. This isn't a shot at Brotherly Love but they cycle players in and out of their program in an effort to chase trophies. I'm not sure who the top central PA team is.....we have played a few but you never know what you are getting. Many of the kids end up playing further south in Maryland but are PA players.

You clearly have no clue what you are talking about...the 23 and 24 BL teams have had the same core kids for years. Freedom 23 would be an example of cycling players to chase W's...

Stop BL 23 has replaced more kids in the last 3 years than Freedom 23. Same 18-20 kids on Freedom over the last 3 years.


Also...didn't BL '24 replace half their players last year to make a run in the WSYL?
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I heard HHH lost some key pieces on their 25s who went back to their original clubs. Anyone knew how many total left or if it was just a one off type thing being overhyped?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Freedom seems to get the philosophy of developing their players. This isn't a shot at Brotherly Love but they cycle players in and out of their program in an effort to chase trophies. I'm not sure who the top central PA team is.....we have played a few but you never know what you are getting. Many of the kids end up playing further south in Maryland but are PA players.

You clearly have no clue what you are talking about...the 23 and 24 BL teams have had the same core kids for years. Freedom 23 would be an example of cycling players to chase W's...

Stop BL 23 has replaced more kids in the last 3 years than Freedom 23. Same 18-20 kids on Freedom over the last 3 years.


Also...didn't BL '24 replace half their players last year to make a run in the WSYL?

Wrong and no....
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard HHH lost some key pieces on their 25s who went back to their original clubs. Anyone knew how many total left or if it was just a one off type thing being overhyped?

Posters in this forum are basically just BL and Freedom parents go back and forth about who lost players to where. I'm assuming this is just a Freedom parent stirring the pot. Pretty transparent. NEXT!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard HHH lost some key pieces on their 25s who went back to their original clubs. Anyone knew how many total left or if it was just a one off type thing being overhyped?

Posters in this forum are basically just BL and Freedom parents go back and forth about who lost players to where. I'm assuming this is just a Freedom parent stirring the pot. Pretty transparent. NEXT!
My son doesn't play for BL, Freedom or HHH. His team added a known kid who left HHH and I was led to believe he wasn't the only one. My son asked how many others were leaving HHH and the kid said his dad told him not to talk about which I respect, but wondered if anyone on here actually knew it there were others.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard HHH lost some key pieces on their 25s who went back to their original clubs. Anyone knew how many total left or if it was just a one off type thing being overhyped?

Posters in this forum are basically just BL and Freedom parents go back and forth about who lost players to where. I'm assuming this is just a Freedom parent stirring the pot. Pretty transparent. NEXT!
My son doesn't play for BL, Freedom or HHH. His team added a known kid who left HHH and I was led to believe he wasn't the only one. My son asked how many others were leaving HHH and the kid said his dad told him not to talk about which I respect, but wondered if anyone on here actually knew it there were others.
Kids leave teams all the time. What's the big deal? General year-to-year grass is greener churn or is there a problem in the program?
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Ok so your son plays for NXT which is cool. HHH had a bunch of kids leave there last year and showed up at NXT. Every program has warts and every program isn't an ideal fit for everyone. Some kids are leaving NXT, some are leaving BL, some are leaving Freedom..etc etc etc. I know a bunch of kids left HHH because of distance to practice, bottom line this is just the general churn that happens every year at every club.
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Any fall league planned for PA lax? Anyone involved with NXT on here who can say if they explored playing the Mid-Atlantic spring league this fall? So many football leagues cancelled that conflicts would be low. We have many solid clubs within a short drive, it seems like it would be possible to organize a league.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any fall league planned for PA lax? Anyone involved with NXT on here who can say if they explored playing the Mid-Atlantic spring league this fall? So many football leagues cancelled that conflicts would be low. We have many solid clubs within a short drive, it seems like it would be possible to organize a league.
I sure hope there's a fall league. I've heard rumors, but nothing even close enough to concrete to make me feel comfortable that something happens. Parents will pay up in this area if anyone has the ability and resources to run a league.
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3 PA teams in top 25 of national rankings out today. Tigers at 8, Freedom and Roughriders back to back at 23 and 24. Questions: why do Tigers have a 2026 and no other teams? How are the consistently so good? Why is 2026 the only good PA RR team? They have a few other descent ages, but not strong in general outside their 26s and definitely none near top 25 nationally?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
3 PA teams in top 25 of national rankings out today. Tigers at 8, Freedom and Roughriders back to back at 23 and 24. Questions: why do Tigers have a 2026 and no other teams? How are the consistently so good? Why is 2026 the only good PA RR team? They have a few other descent ages, but not strong in general outside their 26s and definitely none near top 25 nationally?
Tiger XXVI was a lax player, became a dad and wanted a team for his son, no interest in the drama of running a full club. They have very little turnover on that squad which leads to consistency on the field. PA RR 2026 is just better than their other teams, not sure what you're asking. Not as good an organization overall as Freedom, BL, NXT in the area just happen to have one nationally legit team.
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2026 is an odd age in PA as NXT and BL have never had strong squads nor have recruited much for that age (at least yet). Team 10 fell apart at this age after being strong a couple years ago. Mesa was much weaker this summer and will slide even further going forward. Dukes has become laughable as they played one tourney and got blown out in all 4 games. It’s kind of sad Freedom and RR are the only teams who can hanging without out of state squads at 2026.
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2026 is an odd age in PA as NXT and BL have never had strong squads nor have recruited much for that age (at least yet). Team 10 fell apart at this age after being strong a couple years ago. Mesa was much weaker this summer and will slide even further going forward. Dukes has become laughable as they played one tourney and got blown out in all 4 games. It’s kind of sad Freedom and RR are the only teams who can hanging without out of state squads at 2026.
No offense, but no one cares about 2026s yet. Give them another year or two before taking it too seriously in terms on records, rankings, development etc.
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No offense, but no one cares about 2026s yet. Give them another year or two before taking it too seriously in terms on records, rankings, development etc.[/quote]

Why do people feel the need to post things like the above if they don't have a kid in a specific age group? World doesn't revolve around you HS kid, and someone was posting decent insight on who is doing what.
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No offense, but no one cares about 2026s yet. Give them another year or two before taking it too seriously in terms on records, rankings, development etc.

Why do people feel the need to post things like the above if they don't have a kid in a specific age group? World doesn't revolve around you HS kid, and someone was posting decent insight on who is doing what.[/quote]
Agreed, if you don't care about a post just ignore it. I don't have a 2026 but still like reading about any Philly area lax and appreciate the info. This is a great area for lax that gets ignored too often before the high school level. Its nice seeing some youth teams in the national rankings.
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Ok so your son plays for NXT which is cool. HHH had a bunch of kids leave there last year and showed up at NXT. Every program has warts and every program isn't an ideal fit for everyone. Some kids are leaving NXT, some are leaving BL, some are leaving Freedom..etc etc etc. I know a bunch of kids left HHH because of distance to practice, bottom line this is just the general churn that happens every year at every club.
Did the LSM move on from HHH? That kid is going to contiue to dominate until he is a rising Sophomore. He will always be a great player just not contorl the flow of the game like he does now.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok so your son plays for NXT which is cool. HHH had a bunch of kids leave there last year and showed up at NXT. Every program has warts and every program isn't an ideal fit for everyone. Some kids are leaving NXT, some are leaving BL, some are leaving Freedom..etc etc etc. I know a bunch of kids left HHH because of distance to practice, bottom line this is just the general churn that happens every year at every club.
Did the LSM move on from HHH? That kid is going to contiue to dominate until he is a rising Sophomore. He will always be a great player just not control the flow of the game like he does now.
What age?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok so your son plays for NXT which is cool. HHH had a bunch of kids leave there last year and showed up at NXT. Every program has warts and every program isn't an ideal fit for everyone. Some kids are leaving NXT, some are leaving BL, some are leaving Freedom..etc etc etc. I know a bunch of kids left HHH because of distance to practice, bottom line this is just the general churn that happens every year at every club.
Did the LSM move on from HHH? That kid is going to contiue to dominate until he is a rising Sophomore. He will always be a great player just not contorl the flow of the game like he does now.

How about the Philly board talks up its good teams and players and does not devolve into petty boards like these New York and Maryland ones? Let us be better.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok so your son plays for NXT which is cool. HHH had a bunch of kids leave there last year and showed up at NXT. Every program has warts and every program isn't an ideal fit for everyone. Some kids are leaving NXT, some are leaving BL, some are leaving Freedom..etc etc etc. I know a bunch of kids left HHH because of distance to practice, bottom line this is just the general churn that happens every year at every club.
Did the LSM move on from HHH? That kid is going to contiue to dominate until he is a rising Sophomore. He will always be a great player just not contorl the flow of the game like he does now.

How about the Philly board talks up its good teams and players and does not devolve into petty boards like these New York and Maryland ones? Let us be better.
Ummm, no one posts on anonymous msg boards to be only nice. Kind of pointless to not reveal your name unless trying to overhype your own kid/team or provide good info that you don't want attached to you/your son. Thanks though, Snowflake.
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As the previous poster said, let's keep the Philly board open and mature - lots of good discussion to be had, a lot to be proud of.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok so your son plays for NXT which is cool. HHH had a bunch of kids leave there last year and showed up at NXT. Every program has warts and every program isn't an ideal fit for everyone. Some kids are leaving NXT, some are leaving BL, some are leaving Freedom..etc etc etc. I know a bunch of kids left HHH because of distance to practice, bottom line this is just the general churn that happens every year at every club.
Did the LSM move on from HHH? That kid is going to contiue to dominate until he is a rising Sophomore. He will always be a great player just not contorl the flow of the game like he does now.

How about the Philly board talks up its good teams and players and does not devolve into petty boards like these New York and Maryland ones? Let us be better.
Ummm, no one posts on anonymous msg boards to be only nice. Kind of pointless to not reveal your name unless trying to overhype your own kid/team or provide good info that you don't want attached to you/your son. Thanks though, Snowflake.
Is the best kid on the 2025 HHH still there or did he leave. Don't see an LSM on man up to often, even at 7th grade. Is that better?
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Will there be Philly area lax tourneys in the fall or will we have to keep trekking down to Delaware? I assume the use of school fields will still be an issue.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ok so your son plays for NXT which is cool. HHH had a bunch of kids leave there last year and showed up at NXT. Every program has warts and every program isn't an ideal fit for everyone. Some kids are leaving NXT, some are leaving BL, some are leaving Freedom..etc etc etc. I know a bunch of kids left HHH because of distance to practice, bottom line this is just the general churn that happens every year at every club.
Did the LSM move on from HHH? That kid is going to contiue to dominate until he is a rising Sophomore. He will always be a great player just not contorl the flow of the game like he does now.

How about the Philly board talks up its good teams and players and does not devolve into petty boards like these New York and Maryland ones? Let us be better.
Ummm, no one posts on anonymous msg boards to be only nice. Kind of pointless to not reveal your name unless trying to overhype your own kid/team or provide good info that you don't want attached to you/your son. Thanks though, Snowflake.
Is the best kid on the 2025 HHH still there or did he leave. Don't see an LSM on man up to often, even at 7th grade. Is that better?

Keep talking like that and you'll be walking into an impromptu interview with Chris Hansen.
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US Club Lax Updated 2026 Rankings, congratulations to all the local teams...way to represent the area!

6. Tigers XXVI
23. PA Roughriders Elite
28. Freedom Red
30. Big 4 HHH
38. Mesa
39. NXT Black
54. Dukes Young Guns
63. Brotherly Love
69. Rising Sons Navy
80. HEADStrong Lehigh
84. Team 11
89. Team TEN
95. iM3 Lacrosse
100. Team Money
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
US Club Lax Updated 2026 Rankings, congratulations to all the local teams...way to represent the area!

6. Tigers XXVI
23. PA Roughriders Elite
28. Freedom Red
30. Big 4 HHH
38. Mesa
39. NXT Black
54. Dukes Young Guns
63. Brotherly Love
69. Rising Sons Navy
80. HEADStrong Lehigh
84. Team 11
89. Team TEN
95. iM3 Lacrosse
100. Team Money
I am not familiar with a couple of those clubs, but congrats to all, keep representing for SE PA on a national lax level.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
US Club Lax Updated 2026 Rankings, congratulations to all the local teams...way to represent the area!

6. Tigers XXVI
23. PA Roughriders Elite
28. Freedom Red
30. Big 4 HHH
38. Mesa
39. NXT Black
54. Dukes Young Guns
63. Brotherly Love
69. Rising Sons Navy
80. HEADStrong Lehigh
84. Team 11
89. Team TEN
95. iM3 Lacrosse
100. Team Money
I am not familiar with a couple of those clubs, but congrats to all, keep representing for SE PA on a national lax level.

Echo the sentiments, particularly on this somber day in America's history- God Bless the USA! Surprised Freedom is not > than RR as Freedom beat the RR this season. Both good teams.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
US Club Lax Updated 2026 Rankings, congratulations to all the local teams...way to represent the area!

6. Tigers XXVI
23. PA Roughriders Elite
28. Freedom Red
30. Big 4 HHH
38. Mesa
39. NXT Black
54. Dukes Young Guns
63. Brotherly Love
69. Rising Sons Navy
80. HEADStrong Lehigh
84. Team 11
89. Team TEN
95. iM3 Lacrosse
100. Team Money
I am not familiar with a couple of those clubs, but congrats to all, keep representing for SE PA on a national lax level.

Echo the sentiments, particularly on this somber day in America's history- God Bless the USA! Surprised Freedom is not > than RR as Freedom beat the RR this season. Both good teams.

Played in college long time ago and my daughter played right after the Tigers tonight.We got there 20 minutes early and what I saw was a high level D1 practice for 7th grade kids. Ball was moving.Wish my son was on their age group and 7 world class coaches for one team? One of their parents said that was not even half of the coaching staff and the kids play all the time. It felt like Friday Night Lights but for lacrosse with parents watching like it was a college game,WTH is going on.
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2025 ranks great in PA:

6. HHH
7. Team Ten
16. BL
18. Tribal (close by)
40. NXT

PA Youth Lacrosse strong.
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Echo the sentiments, particularly on this somber day in America's history- God Bless the USA! Surprised Freedom is not > than RR as Freedom beat the RR this season. Both good teams.

USA!!! Let's keep things positive and misinformation off the Philly board please. At 2026, RR and Freedom have not played this year. It doesn't even look like they were at any of the same tournaments (Freedom at Meltdown, Million and Philly Middle School while RR played Summer Slam, Platinum Cup and Blue Hen). Agree both teams are very good, but RR probably ends up higher as they beat two top 20 teams FCA and VLC. Too bad we don't have a fall league for all these good locals teams to square off.
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Echo the sentiments, particularly on this somber day in America's history- God Bless the USA! Surprised Freedom is not > than RR as Freedom beat the RR this season. Both good teams.
As a Freedom dad I agree we should be ranked higher, but we didn’t play RR this year. I think they beat us last year, but that shouldn’t come into play for 2020 rankings.
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Are all the local clubs playing a regular fall tourney schedule? NXT will be hosting Nightfall in Conshy this year and Harvest Classic still in West Chester/Downingtown so those should be close for everyone here. Also Adrenaline Gold Cup and Victory Fall Classic are in Frederica. Hopefully the PA teams register and represent well for the area. Good luck to all
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Are PA teams going to play in the WSYL next year? I know the Sept 1st age cutoff is a problem for some, but Brotherly Love put together a great squad in 2019 to rep the area. Also it'll be played in MD not Denver which helps financially.
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Are PA teams going to play in the WSYL next year? I know the Sept 1st age cutoff is a problem for some, but Brotherly Love put together a great squad in 2019 to rep the area. Also it'll be played in MD not Denver which helps financially.
The Sept 1st age cutoff makes it tough for a lot of local team. A lot of the teams around here have august and even july or june bdays on their teams.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are PA teams going to play in the WSYL next year? I know the Sept 1st age cutoff is a problem for some, but Brotherly Love put together a great squad in 2019 to rep the area. Also it'll be played in MD not Denver which helps financially.
The Sept 1st age cutoff makes it tough for a lot of local team. A lot of the teams around here have august and even july or june bdays on their teams.
My kid is to old but heard Tigers XX1V were formed for this tournament?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are PA teams going to play in the WSYL next year? I know the Sept 1st age cutoff is a problem for some, but Brotherly Love put together a great squad in 2019 to rep the area. Also it'll be played in MD not Denver which helps financially.
The Sept 1st age cutoff makes it tough for a lot of local team. A lot of the teams around here have august and even july or june bdays on their teams.
My kid is to old but heard Tigers XX1V were formed for this tournament?

Big boy makes the sept 1 cut off date?
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The Sept 1st age cutoff makes it tough for a lot of local team. A lot of the teams around here have august and even july or june bdays on their teams.
My kid is to old but heard Tigers XX1V were formed for this tournament?
If true, that would be impressive. Personally I don’t know of any teams that are 100% on age (I know my boys have never been on a club team with no holdbacks), but you could definitely only have a couple kids you need to replace to qualify.
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Yes he’s on age
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Yes he’s on age

My kids team scrimmaged them this weekend sadly they have many more bigger than him, scary big team
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Yes he’s on age

My kids team scrimmaged them this weekend sadly they have many more bigger than him, scary big team
What area does Tigers pull from? I see Newtown Square as their address as a 501(c)(3), but is that really their base? Also kinda crazy they had $56k in expenses for 2018 for a single team (unless there is more to them than the one squad).
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Club is crazy, 19 players at 3k is 57k. Pay for the tournaments, gear and some of the travel and it adds up quick.
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Yes he’s on age

My kids team scrimmaged them this weekend sadly they have many more bigger than him, scary big team
What area does Tigers pull from? I see Newtown Square as their address as a 501(c)(3), but is that really their base? Also kinda crazy they had $56k in expenses for 2018 for a single team (unless there is more to them than the one squad).

Clearly you are savvy enough to look up that info so it’s surprising you think that is a crazy amount of money for a single team. For a 20 person team that amounts to a yearly tuition of $2800 per player. Seems pretty reasonable for a team that plays/practices year round and employed professional (I.e no dads) coaches.

What am I missing(it must be something)
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Team was built by a parent for his son to play. If you are a Philly team don’t play them as they attempt to take your best player after the game.
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Team was built by a parent for his son to play. If you are a Philly team don’t play them as they attempt to take your best player after the game.

Considering they are the only team that just beat the number one team in the nation they are doing something right. Wish my kid had been invited to their team & was coached by the best coaches in the game.
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Team was built by a parent for his son to play. If you are a Philly team don’t play them as they attempt to take your best player after the game.
My kid has been the #6 kid on there waiting list for 4 years and every year they have no openings. Anything else to get seen by them?
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Team was built by a parent for his son to play. If you are a Philly team don’t play them as they attempt to take your best player after the game.

Considering they are the only team that just beat the number one team in the nation they are doing something right. Wish my kid had been invited to their team & was coached by the best coaches in the game.

Are they planning on Scoopers ball again. The played 13 kids that entire game to win, while the #1 team used their entire roster. Tigers went on to go 0-3 for the rest of the day at NAL while the #1 team in the country went on to win NAL. Tigers slid from #2 in the country to #7 because of that. When they actually played their entire team the week before they lost 12-4. to that same team, they beat the #1 team in the country, but at what cost. To drop back six spots and go 1-3 at NAL. I guess it was worth completely running your team in the ground for 1 win while going winless the rest of the day and dropping 6 spots in the top 10. Sounds like good coaching. Not just caring about winning.
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Yes he’s on age

My kids team scrimmaged them this weekend sadly they have many more bigger than him, scary big team

No they don't
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Clearly you are savvy enough to look up that info so it’s surprising you think that is a crazy amount of money for a single team. For a 20 person team that amounts to a yearly tuition of $2800 per player. Seems pretty reasonable for a team that plays/practices year round and employed professional (I.e no dads) coaches.

What am I missing(it must be something)
No teams spend $2800 per player. The for profit teams in this area don’t even charge $2800 per player and those squads avg about $1k profit per player annually. In 2017 Tigers spent $27k which would be reasonable for all the costs (about $1350 per kid assuming 20 players). I’m not sure why this is relevant to anyone but the IRS, but wanted to point out what you were missing. From a lax standpoint, they are legit and yes they try and recruit top players on other teams, but all clubs do that. They happily allow guest players to come practice with them and see if its a fit for both sides. Not as much flexibility with other sports, but I think that’s what makes them so good.
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Are any Philly teams playing in the 2025 (14U) World Series of Youth Lacrosse (last summer tournament was cancelled so there is 14U & 13U World Series)?
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Are any Philly teams playing in the 2025 (14U) World Series of Youth Lacrosse (last summer tournament was cancelled so there is 14U & 13U World Series)?
Since WSYL will be played in MD next year, feels like there has to be a good amount of local representation. I know last time there was no interest in flying to Denver and I think brotherly love was the only area team that even went to regionals (which they won). Sept 1st cutoff means some teams have to trim a few for WSYL, but just an opportunity to bring in an even better guest player many times.
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Are any Philly teams playing in the 2025 (14U) World Series of Youth Lacrosse (last summer tournament was cancelled so there is 14U & 13U World Series)?
I haven't seen any official announcements, but know for a fact a couple teams with plans to enter 14U and 13U teams in the WSYL. Being played 2 hours away is a huge benefit obviously, so I think there will be many more entries in our region than in 2019. My sons coach said our club hasn't made a decision as they need to decide do they move up older 2026s (ones born before 9/1/2007) to play 14U with our 2005s or bring in guest players. On the 13U level its more likely going to be guest players not 2027s filling in (just one club and not set in stone, but I assume other clubs are going through the same decisions).
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Clearly you are savvy enough to look up that info so it’s surprising you think that is a crazy amount of money for a single team. For a 20 person team that amounts to a yearly tuition of $2800 per player. Seems pretty reasonable for a team that plays/practices year round and employed professional (I.e no dads) coaches.

What am I missing(it must be something)
No teams spend $2800 per player. The for profit teams in this area don’t even charge $2800 per player and those squads avg about $1k profit per player annually. In 2017 Tigers spent $27k which would be reasonable for all the costs (about $1350 per kid assuming 20 players). I’m not sure why this is relevant to anyone but the IRS, but wanted to point out what you were missing. From a lax standpoint, they are legit and yes they try and recruit top players on other teams, but all clubs do that. They happily allow guest players to come practice with them and see if its a fit for both sides. Not as much flexibility with other sports, but I think that’s what makes them so good.

honestly, this financial analysis is the only interesting thing on this board! nice work pulling that number and firing up a conversation about it.
I think the $56k is reasonable expense. Here are my numbers (not a coach so these could be way off..let me know if they are as i'm actually really curious about these)

8 tourney's per year at 2k entry fee a piece = $16,000 (5 summer, 2 fall, 1 winter box tourney)


50 practices (average of 1 practice per week year round)
- $200 for field rental
- 4 coaches (I heard they have a lot of coaches...4 seems good)
- Coach Rate of $60/hr
- 2 hours per practice
- 50 x ($200 + (4*$60*2))
- $34,000 for practices

Uniform Kit at $100/player = $2,000

tourney fees + practices + unis
$16K + $34K + 2K = $52K

I'll throw in 4 $1000 coach's bonus for beating the hawks to round it out to $56K.

Am I somewhat close? If not, where am I wrong?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Clearly you are savvy enough to look up that info so it’s surprising you think that is a crazy amount of money for a single team. For a 20 person team that amounts to a yearly tuition of $2800 per player. Seems pretty reasonable for a team that plays/practices year round and employed professional (I.e no dads) coaches.

What am I missing(it must be something)
No teams spend $2800 per player. The for profit teams in this area don’t even charge $2800 per player and those squads avg about $1k profit per player annually. In 2017 Tigers spent $27k which would be reasonable for all the costs (about $1350 per kid assuming 20 players). I’m not sure why this is relevant to anyone but the IRS, but wanted to point out what you were missing. From a lax standpoint, they are legit and yes they try and recruit top players on other teams, but all clubs do that. They happily allow guest players to come practice with them and see if its a fit for both sides. Not as much flexibility with other sports, but I think that’s what makes them so good.

honestly, this financial analysis is the only interesting thing on this board! nice work pulling that number and firing up a conversation about it.
I think the $56k is reasonable expense. Here are my numbers (not a coach so these could be way off..let me know if they are as i'm actually really curious about these)

8 tourney's per year at 2k entry fee a piece = $16,000 (5 summer, 2 fall, 1 winter box tourney)


50 practices (average of 1 practice per week year round)
- $200 for field rental
- 4 coaches (I heard they have a lot of coaches...4 seems good)
- Coach Rate of $60/hr
- 2 hours per practice
- 50 x ($200 + (4*$60*2))
- $34,000 for practices

Uniform Kit at $100/player = $2,000

tourney fees + practices + unis
$16K + $34K + 2K = $52K

I'll throw in 4 $1000 coach's bonus for beating the hawks to round it out to $56K.

Am I somewhat close? If not, where am I wrong?

Good analysis. I hear 100+ practices all year long. 6-10 coaches there most times.Top flight coaches so double pay assumptions other than the volunteers. And their annual weekly camps.
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Are any Philly teams playing in the 2025 (14U) World Series of Youth Lacrosse (last summer tournament was cancelled so there is 14U & 13U World Series)?
I haven't seen any official announcements, but know for a fact a couple teams with plans to enter 14U and 13U teams in the WSYL. Being played 2 hours away is a huge benefit obviously, so I think there will be many more entries in our region than in 2019. My sons coach said our club hasn't made a decision as they need to decide do they move up older 2026s (ones born before 9/1/2007) to play 14U with our 2005s or bring in guest players. On the 13U level its more likely going to be guest players not 2027s filling in (just one club and not set in stone, but I assume other clubs are going through the same decisions).

Is TEAM a Philly U14 WSYL team?
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Clearly you are savvy enough to look up that info so it’s surprising you think that is a crazy amount of money for a single team. For a 20 person team that amounts to a yearly tuition of $2800 per player. Seems pretty reasonable for a team that plays/practices year round and employed professional (I.e no dads) coaches.

What am I missing(it must be something)
No teams spend $2800 per player. The for profit teams in this area don’t even charge $2800 per player and those squads avg about $1k profit per player annually. In 2017 Tigers spent $27k which would be reasonable for all the costs (about $1350 per kid assuming 20 players). I’m not sure why this is relevant to anyone but the IRS, but wanted to point out what you were missing. From a lax standpoint, they are legit and yes they try and recruit top players on other teams, but all clubs do that. They happily allow guest players to come practice with them and see if its a fit for both sides. Not as much flexibility with other sports, but I think that’s what makes them so good.

honestly, this financial analysis is the only interesting thing on this board! nice work pulling that number and firing up a conversation about it.
I think the $56k is reasonable expense. Here are my numbers (not a coach so these could be way off..let me know if they are as i'm actually really curious about these)

8 tourney's per year at 2k entry fee a piece = $16,000 (5 summer, 2 fall, 1 winter box tourney)


50 practices (average of 1 practice per week year round)
- $200 for field rental
- 4 coaches (I heard they have a lot of coaches...4 seems good)
- Coach Rate of $60/hr
- 2 hours per practice
- 50 x ($200 + (4*$60*2))
- $34,000 for practices

Uniform Kit at $100/player = $2,000

tourney fees + practices + unis
$16K + $34K + 2K = $52K

I'll throw in 4 $1000 coach's bonus for beating the hawks to round it out to $56K.

Am I somewhat close? If not, where am I wrong?
I am not disagreeing, but having 4 paid coaches for one team is kinda crazy imo. There are so many qualified lax minds in the area who just miss the game and volunteer at various clubs. I think your uniform costs are really low, those might be double to triple of your assumption. I think overall $56k is possible for sure, but the $27k for the year before seems impossible then.
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Clearly you are savvy enough to look up that info so it’s surprising you think that is a crazy amount of money for a single team. For a 20 person team that amounts to a yearly tuition of $2800 per player. Seems pretty reasonable for a team that plays/practices year round and employed professional (I.e no dads) coaches.

What am I missing(it must be something)
No teams spend $2800 per player. The for profit teams in this area don’t even charge $2800 per player and those squads avg about $1k profit per player annually. In 2017 Tigers spent $27k which would be reasonable for all the costs (about $1350 per kid assuming 20 players). I’m not sure why this is relevant to anyone but the IRS, but wanted to point out what you were missing. From a lax standpoint, they are legit and yes they try and recruit top players on other teams, but all clubs do that. They happily allow guest players to come practice with them and see if its a fit for both sides. Not as much flexibility with other sports, but I think that’s what makes them so good.

honestly, this financial analysis is the only interesting thing on this board! nice work pulling that number and firing up a conversation about it.
I think the $56k is reasonable expense. Here are my numbers (not a coach so these could be way off..let me know if they are as i'm actually really curious about these)

8 tourney's per year at 2k entry fee a piece = $16,000 (5 summer, 2 fall, 1 winter box tourney)


50 practices (average of 1 practice per week year round)
- $200 for field rental
- 4 coaches (I heard they have a lot of coaches...4 seems good)
- Coach Rate of $60/hr
- 2 hours per practice
- 50 x ($200 + (4*$60*2))
- $34,000 for practices

Uniform Kit at $100/player = $2,000

tourney fees + practices + unis
$16K + $34K + 2K = $52K

I'll throw in 4 $1000 coach's bonus for beating the hawks to round it out to $56K.

Am I somewhat close? If not, where am I wrong?
I am not disagreeing, but having 4 paid coaches for one team is kinda crazy imo. There are so many qualified lax minds in the area who just miss the game and volunteer at various clubs. I think your uniform costs are really low, those might be double to triple of your assumption. I think overall $56k is possible for sure, but the $27k for the year before seems impossible then.

Watching the big kid smack the stick out of his dads hand on the sidelines when he tried to force him to take faceoffs down 12-4........Priceless
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Clearly you are savvy enough to look up that info so it’s surprising you think that is a crazy amount of money for a single team. For a 20 person team that amounts to a yearly tuition of $2800 per player. Seems pretty reasonable for a team that plays/practices year round and employed professional (I.e no dads) coaches.

What am I missing(it must be something)
No teams spend $2800 per player. The for profit teams in this area don’t even charge $2800 per player and those squads avg about $1k profit per player annually. In 2017 Tigers spent $27k which would be reasonable for all the costs (about $1350 per kid assuming 20 players). I’m not sure why this is relevant to anyone but the IRS, but wanted to point out what you were missing. From a lax standpoint, they are legit and yes they try and recruit top players on other teams, but all clubs do that. They happily allow guest players to come practice with them and see if its a fit for both sides. Not as much flexibility with other sports, but I think that’s what makes them so good.

honestly, this financial analysis is the only interesting thing on this board! nice work pulling that number and firing up a conversation about it.
I think the $56k is reasonable expense. Here are my numbers (not a coach so these could be way off..let me know if they are as i'm actually really curious about these)

8 tourney's per year at 2k entry fee a piece = $16,000 (5 summer, 2 fall, 1 winter box tourney)


50 practices (average of 1 practice per week year round)
- $200 for field rental
- 4 coaches (I heard they have a lot of coaches...4 seems good)
- Coach Rate of $60/hr
- 2 hours per practice
- 50 x ($200 + (4*$60*2))
- $34,000 for practices

Uniform Kit at $100/player = $2,000

tourney fees + practices + unis
$16K + $34K + 2K = $52K

I'll throw in 4 $1000 coach's bonus for beating the hawks to round it out to $56K.

Am I somewhat close? If not, where am I wrong?
I am not disagreeing, but having 4 paid coaches for one team is kinda crazy imo. There are so many qualified lax minds in the area who just miss the game and volunteer at various clubs. I think your uniform costs are really low, those might be double to triple of your assumption. I think overall $56k is possible for sure, but the $27k for the year before seems impossible then.

Watching the big kid smack the stick out of his dads hand on the sidelines when he tried to force him to take faceoffs down 12-4........Priceless

Please bring your daddy anger issues back to the Maryland board please. This is a nice place until you arrived.It is sad and embarrassing you are unable to handle your loss to them. For your kids sake stop trying to live through his youth sports. Wishing you a healthy and peaceful future. Therapy may also be therapeutic.
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[quote=Anonymous]
Clearly you are savvy enough to look up that info so it’s surprising you think that is a crazy amount of money for a single team. For a 20 person team that amounts to a yearly tuition of $2800 per player. Seems pretty reasonable for a team that plays/practices year round and employed professional (I.e no dads) coaches.

What am I missing(it must be something)
No teams spend $2800 per player. The for profit teams in this area don’t even charge $2800 per player and those squads avg about $1k profit per player annually. In 2017 Tigers spent $27k which would be reasonable for all the costs (about $1350 per kid assuming 20 players). I’m not sure why this is relevant to anyone but the IRS, but wanted to point out what you were missing. From a lax standpoint, they are legit and yes they try and recruit top players on other teams, but all clubs do that. They happily allow guest players to come practice with them and see if its a fit for both sides. Not as much flexibility with other sports, but I think that’s what makes them so good.

honestly, this financial analysis is the only interesting thing on this board! nice work pulling that number and firing up a conversation about it.
I think the $56k is reasonable expense. Here are my numbers (not a coach so these could be way off..let me know if they are as i'm actually really curious about these)

8 tourney's per year at 2k entry fee a piece = $16,000 (5 summer, 2 fall, 1 winter box tourney)


50 practices (average of 1 practice per week year round)
- $200 for field rental
- 4 coaches (I heard they have a lot of coaches...4 seems good)
- Coach Rate of $60/hr
- 2 hours per practice
- 50 x ($200 + (4*$60*2))
- $34,000 for practices

Uniform Kit at $100/player = $2,000

tourney fees + practices + unis
$16K + $34K + 2K = $52K

I'll throw in 4 $1000 coach's bonus for beating the hawks to round it out to $56K.

Am I somewhat close? If not, where am I wrong?
I am not disagreeing, but having 4 paid coaches for one team is kinda crazy imo. There are so many qualified lax minds in the area who just miss the game and volunteer at various clubs. I think your uniform costs are really low, those might be double to triple of your assumption. I think overall $56k is possible for sure, but the $27k for the year before seems impossible then.

Watching the big kid smack the stick out of his dads hand on the sidelines when he tried to force him to take faceoffs down 12-4........Priceless

Please bring your daddy anger issues back to the Maryland board please. This is a nice place until you arrived.It is sad and embarrassing you are unable to handle your loss to them. For your kids sake stop trying to live through his youth sports. Wishing you a healthy and peaceful future. Therapy may also be therapeutic.
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[quote=Anonymous]
Clearly you are savvy enough to look up that info so it’s surprising you think that is a crazy amount of money for a single team. For a 20 person team that amounts to a yearly tuition of $2800 per player. Seems pretty reasonable for a team that plays/practices year round and employed professional (I.e no dads) coaches.

What am I missing(it must be something)
No teams spend $2800 per player. The for profit teams in this area don’t even charge $2800 per player and those squads avg about $1k profit per player annually. In 2017 Tigers spent $27k which would be reasonable for all the costs (about $1350 per kid assuming 20 players). I’m not sure why this is relevant to anyone but the IRS, but wanted to point out what you were missing. From a lax standpoint, they are legit and yes they try and recruit top players on other teams, but all clubs do that. They happily allow guest players to come practice with them and see if its a fit for both sides. Not as much flexibility with other sports, but I think that’s what makes them so good.

honestly, this financial analysis is the only interesting thing on this board! nice work pulling that number and firing up a conversation about it.
I think the $56k is reasonable expense. Here are my numbers (not a coach so these could be way off..let me know if they are as i'm actually really curious about these)

8 tourney's per year at 2k entry fee a piece = $16,000 (5 summer, 2 fall, 1 winter box tourney)


50 practices (average of 1 practice per week year round)
- $200 for field rental
- 4 coaches (I heard they have a lot of coaches...4 seems good)
- Coach Rate of $60/hr
- 2 hours per practice
- 50 x ($200 + (4*$60*2))
- $34,000 for practices

Uniform Kit at $100/player = $2,000

tourney fees + practices + unis
$16K + $34K + 2K = $52K

I'll throw in 4 $1000 coach's bonus for beating the hawks to round it out to $56K.

Am I somewhat close? If not, where am I wrong?
I am not disagreeing, but having 4 paid coaches for one team is kinda crazy imo. There are so many qualified lax minds in the area who just miss the game and volunteer at various clubs. I think your uniform costs are really low, those might be double to triple of your assumption. I think overall $56k is possible for sure, but the $27k for the year before seems impossible then.

Watching the big kid smack the stick out of his dads hand on the sidelines when he tried to force him to take faceoffs down 12-4........Priceless

Please bring your daddy anger issues back to the Maryland board please. This is a nice place until you arrived.It is sad and embarrassing you are unable to handle your loss to them. For your kids sake stop trying to live through his youth sports. Wishing you a healthy and peaceful future. Therapy may also be therapeutic.

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Hawks Dad, please go back to your MidAtlantic Board and discuss your 14 year old 7th graders there. We are keeping things classy up here in Philly.
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Stay Classy Philadelphia!
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lol, Philly & classy go hand in hand.
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lol, Philly & classy go hand in hand.
Not my board, but I just saw this comment. As a parent of a player in MD, I think overall Philly lax players, parents and coaches are no average much classier than MD, NJ, NY or CT ones. No team is perfect and there are bad seeds everywhere, but given the behavior of philly pro sports fan (again, just a generalization) I have often been impressed when my sons' teams play HHH, PA RR, Freedom, Mesa, Bro Love, NXT and probably a couple others I am not thinking of. One of my boys teams had a (very well known) incident with a Philly team this summer and I was furious after the game with what took place, but he was quick to tell me how he felt it was a one off player and how much he respected the majority of the kids on that same team. Anyway, I still detest the Eagles, Flyers, Sixers and Phils, but you PA folks are doing something right up there, so keep it up.
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lol, Philly & classy go hand in hand.
Not my board, but I just saw this comment. As a parent of a player in MD, I think overall Philly lax players, parents and coaches are no average much classier than MD, NJ, NY or CT ones. No team is perfect and there are bad seeds everywhere, but given the behavior of philly pro sports fan (again, just a generalization) I have often been impressed when my sons' teams play HHH, PA RR, Freedom, Mesa, Bro Love, NXT and probably a couple others I am not thinking of. One of my boys teams had a (very well known) incident with a Philly team this summer and I was furious after the game with what took place, but he was quick to tell me how he felt it was a one off player and how much he respected the majority of the kids on that same team. Anyway, I still detest the Eagles, Flyers, Sixers and Phils, but you PA folks are doing something right up there, so keep it up.
On behalf of Philly Lax dads, thank you! You are more than welcome on this board.
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Did LI Express beat the Tigers today? Seems hard to believe
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An Express dad said 10-1, but would love to hear from someone on Tigers side.
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An Express dad said 10-1, but would love to hear from someone on Tigers side.

If that's the case, please let us know if they are that much improved, or of the Tigers were missing players.
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An Express dad said 10-1, but would love to hear from someone on Tigers side.

If that's the case, please let us know if they are that much improved, or of the Tigers were missing players.

Tigers were missing a ton of fall multi-sport athletes. Guys...it's fall ball. Let's reign it back in a little bit.
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An Express dad said 10-1, but would love to hear from someone on Tigers side.

If that's the case, please let us know if they are that much improved, or of the Tigers were missing players.

Tigers were missing a ton of fall multi-sport athletes. Guys...it's fall ball. Let's reign it back in a little bit.

Just curious, Express dad's are taking about how they will sweep the WSYL now
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An Express dad said 10-1, but would love to hear from someone on Tigers side.

If that's the case, please let us know if they are that much improved, or of the Tigers were missing players.

Tigers were missing a ton of fall multi-sport athletes. Guys...it's fall ball. Let's reign it back in a little bit.

Just curious, Express dad's are taking about how they will sweep the WSYL now

PA Dads say go back to your boards. Bye
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Tigers cant play in WSYL due to age limit. They’d be missing too much unless they want to take a shot at 14U.
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Tigers cant play in WSYL due to age limit. They’d be missing too much unless they want to take a shot at 14U.
I am guess you aren't a Tiger parent and don't know that to be a fact. It will be interesting to see how many kids are unable to play due to age limit. I know even some lesser teams in the area who have more than a couple kids who are born prior to Sep 1, 2007 for U13 and prior to Sep 1, 2006 for U14. I guess for nice these dad's can't brag about how much they helped their boy by holding them back (personally I don't care what you do to your child, but gets tiresome listening to).
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Tigers cant play in WSYL due to age limit. They’d be missing too much unless they want to take a shot at 14U.
I am guess you aren't a Tiger parent and don't know that to be a fact. It will be interesting to see how many kids are unable to play due to age limit. I know even some lesser teams in the area who have more than a couple kids who are born prior to Sep 1, 2007 for U13 and prior to Sep 1, 2006 for U14. I guess for nice these dad's can't brag about how much they helped their boy by holding them back (personally I don't care what you do to your child, but gets tiresome listening to).

honestly. WSYL is just another way to talk about holdbacks and how it's great ro the worst thing ever. I'm with this guy..who cares. can we get to talking about some actual stuff. here.
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honestly. WSYL is just another way to talk about holdbacks and how it's great ro the worst thing ever. I'm with this guy..who cares. can we get to talking about some actual stuff. here.
Especially in this area it is less relevant since spring rec lacrosse is age based until you get to 14U where 8th graders can play for 3 years if they are a holdback.
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honestly. WSYL is just another way to talk about holdbacks and how it's great ro the worst thing ever. I'm with this guy..who cares. can we get to talking about some actual stuff. here.
Especially in this area it is less relevant since spring rec lacrosse is age based until you get to 14U where 8th graders can play for 3 years if they are a holdback.
Everyone has set opinions on the holdback matter, no point in discussing it as it is allowed outside of WSYL. Just live with it regularly and for WSYL enjoy being relatively older it if you are not a holdback.
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honestly. WSYL is just another way to talk about holdbacks and how it's great ro the worst thing ever. I'm with this guy..who cares. can we get to talking about some actual stuff. here.
Especially in this area it is less relevant since spring rec lacrosse is age based until you get to 14U where 8th graders can play for 3 years if they are a holdback.
My son benefits from club lax being grade based as we started him late as he was very shy and wouldn't talk much in kindergarten. I am not complaining obviously, but I have never understood why something completely unrelated to school uses school year as its "cutoff." My wife and I were aware he'd be in a better spot academically, socially and for school sports, but never thought a club/travel sport would afford him an advantage as well. Ah well, glad he decided to play lax instead of soccer!
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My son is a very good player from northern MD & wants to play in the 14U WSYL, what Philly teams are doing it? Thaks
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My son is a very good player from northern MD & wants to play in the 14U WSYL, what Philly teams are doing it? Thaks
I'd reach out to Brotherly Love, they are most likely club to assemble a team for WSYL that isn't an already formed squad.
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What clubs are playing 2026 NXT Nightfall? So far I heard NXT, Freedom, PA RR, Tribal/SJ Express, United
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What clubs are playing 2026 NXT Nightfall? So far I heard NXT, Freedom, PA RR, Tribal/SJ Express, United
I don't think your list is accurate. My son is a 2026 on one of those teams and they are not playing as far as I know (unless he got cut and the coaches haven't told us yet).
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I think 91 Maryland is playing in NXT Nightfall
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I think 91 Maryland is playing in NXT Nightfall
Nice, will be fun to see them up this way.
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Must be doing something right on philly. The LI board is talking about HHH and Tigers đź‘Ť
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Tigers is like a cult...they have their players openly recruit players...better careful as the kid you try to recruit is probably better then the kid doing the recruiting
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HHH 2025 yes they are very good
Not that special anywhere else
Tigers one of team....not built to last
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Yeah it all sounds good
I know kids that played there and left
They have tried to get kids we know...too many “dads” whom only worry about their kid....yes number 17 has hopped around a lot because of that
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Correct RR2026 hasn’t played freedom since 2018....was a blood bath. They couldn’t stop their midfielders then and probably still can’t
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Brotherly Love has no shot unless an automatic invite from 25 down.
2026 isn’t good whether it’s their team or academy team
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Brotherly Love has no shot unless an automatic invite from 25 down.
2026 isn’t good whether it’s their team or academy team
I am guessing if they enter a team in qualifiers, it'll look nothing like their current team or academy team. They will try and assemble a squad just for WSYL.
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Correct RR2026 hasn’t played freedom since 2018....was a blood bath. They couldn’t stop their midfielders then and probably still can’t
I don't know these specific teams, but I am guessing 2026 teams look very different from 2018 to 2020. Between puberty starting and just the amount of experience you gain in two years at this age, there are probably some kids who weren't on the team or rode the bench in 2018 who are now studs and also some former studs who are now just avg. My boys are older, but I remember their teams from 5th to 7th/8th grade had boys who developed into great players that had been afterthoughts and others who dominated at age 10 because they were experienced no longer being top players by 7th or 8th grade.
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Correct RR2026 hasn’t played freedom since 2018....was a blood bath. They couldn’t stop their midfielders then and probably still can’t
I don't know these specific teams, but I am guessing 2026 teams look very different from 2018 to 2020. Between puberty starting and just the amount of experience you gain in two years at this age, there are probably some kids who weren't on the team or rode the bench in 2018 who are now studs and also some former studs who are now just avg. My boys are older, but I remember their teams from 5th to 7th/8th grade had boys who developed into great players that had been afterthoughts and others who dominated at age 10 because they were experienced no longer being top players by 7th or 8th grade.
Very true, huge developmental period in these ages. I contend the kids making the biggest leap going into 7th grade (not necessarily the best, but more so most improved) are the ones that dominate in high school. I’ve seen it so many times.
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Correct RR2026 hasn’t played freedom since 2018....was a blood bath. They couldn’t stop their midfielders then and probably still can’t
I don't know these specific teams, but I am guessing 2026 teams look very different from 2018 to 2020. Between puberty starting and just the amount of experience you gain in two years at this age, there are probably some kids who weren't on the team or rode the bench in 2018 who are now studs and also some former studs who are now just avg. My boys are older, but I remember their teams from 5th to 7th/8th grade had boys who developed into great players that had been afterthoughts and others who dominated at age 10 because they were experienced no longer being top players by 7th or 8th grade.
Very true, huge developmental period in these ages. I contend the kids making the biggest leap going into 7th grade (not necessarily the best, but more so most improved) are the ones that dominate in high school. I’ve seen it so many times.
I agree 2018 games are irrelevant in 2020, and the OP seems to be hanging on tight to some victory from 2 years ago. I can't even tell who he's saying won the "bloodbath" but PA RR and Freedom both seem to represent the area well at 2026 so let's stop the hating.
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Wheres the PA hotbeds of youth lacrosse ?
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A solid group of players come from the West Chester, Downingtown, Paoli area. Delco has some pockets that have good teams. Youth lacrosse is not created equal as some programs are much larger than others.
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A solid group of players come from the West Chester, Downingtown, Paoli area. Delco has some pockets that have good teams. Youth lacrosse is not created equal as some programs are much larger than others.
West Chester is more populated so they tend to dominate the youth programs as they have more kids to choose from, but I think better overall talent in the Devon/paoli/mainline area as the top athletes are all playing lax there whereas west chester has a bunch of football/basketball only kids (and still a lot of baseball players for some odd reason).
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The Avon Grove/Kennett area has boomed in the last 25 years....they have put out some good players.
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The Avon Grove/Kennett area has boomed in the last 25 years....they have put out some good players.
I agree there is talent there so why is there no club team in that area? Crazy Oxford/AG/Kennett kids have to go up to West Chester or down into MD to play club lax.
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The Avon Grove/Kennett area has boomed in the last 25 years....they have put out some good players.
I agree there is talent there so why is there no club team in that area? Crazy Oxford/AG/Kennett kids have to go up to West Chester or down into MD to play club lax.

yeah that 15-20 minute ride is a killer
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Definitely not enough talent nor numbers to sustain a full scale program.
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Avon Grove won the state championship a couple years ago and I think Kennett has a pretty solid team as well.
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All true but the original point was why isn't there a club program in southern chester county. High School and youth are different conversations with different variables to consider. Avon Grove, Kennett, and Oxford don't have the numbers to support a full scale youth program. They couldn't sustain player movement because the top kids would leave to programs they perceive are better. And there would be enough kids to field competitive teams. If it were feasible certainly someone to this point would have launched something down there if they could profit from it.
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All true but the original point was why isn't there a club program in southern chester county. High School and youth are different conversations with different variables to consider. Avon Grove, Kennett, and Oxford don't have the numbers to support a full scale youth program. They couldn't sustain player movement because the top kids would leave to programs they perceive are better. And there would be enough kids to field competitive teams. If it were feasible certainly someone to this point would have launched something down there if they could profit from it.
I think there are more than enough kids in southern Chester county to build and sustain a club lax organization if they start with just the younger ages and build from there. You won't be able to form high school aged teams overnight, but no reason you couldn't have 2027-2029 squads and just annually add new ones at bottom age group as long as you get some solid coaches willing to teach. You don't need to be a national power to sustain a club, just find your niche. Look at Fusion. They tend to struggle on the field and go to less prominent tourneys, but they get lots of kids coming out each year as they have great coaching and kids who can't get playing time on clubs like Freedom, Mesa, Roughriders, Brotherly Love, etc. who still want to play club lax. No reason a SoChesCo Club couldn't exist.
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I think there are more than enough kids in southern Chester county to build and sustain a club lax organization if they start with just the younger ages and build from there. You won't be able to form high school aged teams overnight, but no reason you couldn't have 2027-2029 squads and just annually add new ones at bottom age group as long as you get some solid coaches willing to teach. You don't need to be a national power to sustain a club, just find your niche. Look at Fusion. They tend to struggle on the field and go to less prominent tourneys, but they get lots of kids coming out each year as they have great coaching and kids who can't get playing time on clubs like Freedom, Mesa, Roughriders, Brotherly Love, etc. who still want to play club lax. No reason a SoChesCo Club couldn't exist.
I agree a club could exist in Southern Chesco, but no need to call out struggles of any local clubs as an example. We should all work together to promote lax in this area. Fusion has a great box program called PennLax which is there focus and they do a great job teaching indoors and out.
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Fusion has outstanding coaching. But the population in Chester County can only support so many programs and still be effective. If there was enough interest and money to be made there would have been a program in Southern Chesco years ago. No one is interested in promoting the game as much as profit and wins. What you need is an angry parent from Southern Chester County with time and means to organize and you'll have your program by June.
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If you live in southern chesco the club team to play for is team 302. They have many kids from oxford/avondale/kennett and compete in the Md tourney circuit (NOT PA) and do very very well playing at A level. This is why oxford/avon/kennett is able to hold their own (and win) against the likes of the super mega huge west chester and community center teams like loinville with cherry picked teams from a 50+ player pool. Its literally the smallest schools against teams formed from half of the county for rec ball. IMHO you dont see any of those chesco based club teams playing "A" ball down in maryland very often and winning.
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If you live in southern chesco the club team to play for is team 302. They have many kids from oxford/avondale/kennett and compete in the Md tourney circuit (NOT PA) and do very very well playing at A level. This is why oxford/avon/kennett is able to hold their own (and win) against the likes of the super mega huge west chester and community center teams like loinville with cherry picked teams from a 50+ player pool. Its literally the smallest schools against teams formed from half of the county for rec ball. IMHO you dont see any of those chesco based club teams playing "A" ball down in maryland very often and winning.

US Club Lax ranks them as best club in Delaware for all years.....side note...they are the only Boys lacrosse program that US Club lax tracks...and 302 posted this honor on their FB page...
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Let's take it easy. Side note... Greene Turtle and Silverbacks and a handful of southern Delaware teams were also around until last year, when the FB posts happened. Greene Turtle's boys team merged with 302 (the 302 girls team merged with Greene Turtle), Silverbacks folded, and the southern Delaware teams folded due to Saltwater Lacrosse and True Eastern Shore (both based in Maryland) taking over the territory down by the beaches.
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Let's take it easy. Side note... Greene Turtle and Silverbacks and a handful of southern Delaware teams were also around until last year, when the FB posts happened. Greene Turtle's boys team merged with 302 (the 302 girls team merged with Greene Turtle), Silverbacks folded, and the southern Delaware teams folded due to Saltwater Lacrosse and True Eastern Shore (both based in Maryland) taking over the territory down by the beaches.

Maybe we could move the 302 commercial to the Delaware board?
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HAHA...Pretty funny about the 302 commercial. I saw them play this weekend down at DE Turf. I know there were kids from other clubs running with them but overall they were very good. As far as an area supporting a club team, the footprints are getting bigger as Delaware and Lehigh valley kids come down to play. If I was going to put a area for each club team...I would break it down this way:

Brotherly Love: Delco/West Chester
Roughriders: West Chester
Mesa: Main Line
Team 11:Bucks/Montco
Freedom: Downingtown/West Chester
Fusion: West Chester
302: Delaware
Rising Sons: West Chester/Malvern
Black Bear: Montco
Ten Lacrosse: Paoli/Wayne

I know I am missing a club or two.
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I heard that Delaware tournaments have banned the face off??
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Reclass kids are so white privilege it chaps my white butt
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2023 NXT beat Brotherly Love. How???
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They probably scored more goals if I had to guess.
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No who did Law bring in to keep his job?
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No who did Law bring in to keep his job?

What do you mean?
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No who did Law bring in to keep his job?

?
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No who did Law bring in to keep his job?

What do you mean?

I assume this is a reference to guest players although honestly I've not seen the NXT 2023 team bring in guests. The box team, on the other hand, is known for that, including Law asking varsity players to play on the JV team at a tournament.
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So who’s going to World Series Now that it’s in Maryland?
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2023 NXT beat Brotherly Love. How???

Combination of NXT adding a bunch of new kids to their team and Brotherly Love playing poorly. Brotherly Love has been pretty inconsistent lately.
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Just NXT doing all the right things and BL not so much. It's the difference between a professionally run organization vs a fly by not operation.
why is this shocking to anybody?
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Just NXT doing all the right things and BL not so much. It's the difference between a professionally run organization vs a fly by not operation.
why is this shocking to anybody?

Either this is a troll or the NXT marketing group is spending their time posting on this board. While NXT is run be full time employees, with few exceptions their teams have been weak. This is especially true for the 2023 group.

Full time employees, fancy offices, lots of logo-ed apparel and professional marketing groups don't make good lacrosse teams - talented players and excellent coaching does.

BL has a group of very athletic kids who have played together for a long time. When on, they are very good. While there is no full time organization behind them, they have consistent coaches and practices. They are also half the price of NXT.
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Correct RR2026 hasn’t played freedom since 2018....was a blood bath. They couldn’t stop their midfielders then and probably still can’t

As predicted Freedom crushed the Roughriders again this year as predicted!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just NXT doing all the right things and BL not so much. It's the difference between a professionally run organization vs a fly by not operation.
why is this shocking to anybody?

Either this is a troll or the NXT marketing group is spending their time posting on this board. While NXT is run be full time employees, with few exceptions their teams have been weak. This is especially true for the 2023 group.

Full time employees, fancy offices, lots of logo-ed apparel and professional marketing groups don't make good lacrosse teams - talented players and excellent coaching does.

BL has a group of very athletic kids who have played together for a long time. When on, they are very good. While there is no full time organization behind them, they have consistent coaches and practices. They are also half the price of NXT.

Has to be a troll, after the colossal failure NXT had when they promised the world to all those Sons kids a few years back they wouldn't bash other organizations. This guys kid got cut probably reclassed and got cut again and now plays field hockey.
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Correct RR2026 hasn’t played freedom since 2018....was a blood bath. They couldn’t stop their midfielders then and probably still can’t

As predicted Freedom crushed the Roughriders again this year as predicted!

Who cares about 5th grade lax?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Correct RR2026 hasn’t played freedom since 2018....was a blood bath. They couldn’t stop their midfielders then and probably still can’t

As predicted Freedom crushed the Roughriders again this year as predicted!

Who cares about 5th grade lax?

You did when your kid was in 5th grade....
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new topic:

What is the general feeling about clubs that roster two teams (A/B or AAA/AA or however you want to break it down ) vs a club that rosters only a single team at any given age group?
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new topic:

What is the general feeling about clubs that roster two teams (A/B or AAA/AA or however you want to break it down ) vs a club that rosters only a single team at any given age group?

Depends on the club. Some treat them as separate teams, with separate coaches and practices. Others have the A and B teams practice together with the same coaches, etc.
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2026 attackman looking for World Series team
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2026 attackman looking for World Series team
sorry kid... a day late and a dollar short.
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2026 attackman looking for World Series team
sorry kid... a day late and a dollar short.

The one thing you can always count on with this site....people being complete a holes....
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2026 attackman looking for World Series team
sorry kid... a day late and a dollar short.

Express will take you.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2026 attackman looking for World Series team
sorry kid... a day late and a dollar short.

Express will take you.

Do you need to tryout or just sign the 4k check smile
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Which team is a better fit Tigers or Express?
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Have they announced any High school schedules yet? Should we expect play in March to resume?
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Have they announced any High school schedules yet? Should we expect play in March to resume?

think it is going to happen and what not, my sons public shool is practicing
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NEW TOPIC: Hero Ball

Looking for a little advice. My guy is in 8th grade/high school and we are starting to see players grow. Some were dominant two years ago but are falling behind now as everyone catches up....YET....they continue to shoot the ball constantly 8-10 times a game. It's worse when they are double OR TRIPLE teamed and WILL NOT PASS. They are costing the team games and no other players are able to shoot. So you have two kids who take 75% of the shots. It's not like you are going to say something to the kid or the parent. How do you bring it up to the coach?
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NEW TOPIC: Hero Ball

Looking for a little advice. My guy is in 8th grade/high school and we are starting to see players grow. Some were dominant two years ago but are falling behind now as everyone catches up....YET....they continue to shoot the ball constantly 8-10 times a game. It's worse when they are double OR TRIPLE teamed and WILL NOT PASS. They are costing the team games and no other players are able to shoot. So you have two kids who take 75% of the shots. It's not like you are going to say something to the kid or the parent. How do you bring it up to the coach?

What makes you think the coach doesn't know this already?
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NEW TOPIC: Hero Ball

Looking for a little advice. My guy is in 8th grade/high school and we are starting to see players grow. Some were dominant two years ago but are falling behind now as everyone catches up....YET....they continue to shoot the ball constantly 8-10 times a game. It's worse when they are double OR TRIPLE teamed and WILL NOT PASS. They are costing the team games and no other players are able to shoot. So you have two kids who take 75% of the shots. It's not like you are going to say something to the kid or the parent. How do you bring it up to the coach?

What makes you think the coach doesn't know this already?

They do and have changed up the lines BUT the kids continue to get the ball and go straight to the goal. It kills the defense because the possession is a total of 20 seconds. At what point do you address it?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NEW TOPIC: Hero Ball

Looking for a little advice. My guy is in 8th grade/high school and we are starting to see players grow. Some were dominant two years ago but are falling behind now as everyone catches up....YET....they continue to shoot the ball constantly 8-10 times a game. It's worse when they are double OR TRIPLE teamed and WILL NOT PASS. They are costing the team games and no other players are able to shoot. So you have two kids who take 75% of the shots. It's not like you are going to say something to the kid or the parent. How do you bring it up to the coach?

What makes you think the coach doesn't know this already?

They do and have changed up the lines BUT the kids continue to get the ball and go straight to the goal. It kills the defense because the possession is a total of 20 seconds. At what point do you address it?

Never, unless you want to be one of those parents.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NEW TOPIC: Hero Ball

Looking for a little advice. My guy is in 8th grade/high school and we are starting to see players grow. Some were dominant two years ago but are falling behind now as everyone catches up....YET....they continue to shoot the ball constantly 8-10 times a game. It's worse when they are double OR TRIPLE teamed and WILL NOT PASS. They are costing the team games and no other players are able to shoot. So you have two kids who take 75% of the shots. It's not like you are going to say something to the kid or the parent. How do you bring it up to the coach?

What makes you think the coach doesn't know this already?

They do and have changed up the lines BUT the kids continue to get the ball and go straight to the goal. It kills the defense because the possession is a total of 20 seconds. At what point do you address it?

Never, unless you want to be one of those parents.

If the coach doesn't pull the kid out till he learns to move the ball, find another team. If this is his School team, then don't know what to tell you except, eventually i would expect his teammates to tell him (in either a nice way or a not so nice way.....trust me the upperclassmen on his team will let him know)
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That is actually good advice. It is evident so unless the coach really does not care, he will correct it. If he doesn't care....time to find a new club.
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That is actually good advice. It is evident so unless the coach really does not care, he will correct it. If he doesn't care....time to find a new club.

I guess I could also tell the parents that there kid is a "has been" and peaked in life, while explaining to the coach that I know more than him and my kid is a superstar smile
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Where is a my topic with invite? Hmm i cant find it now ;/ wizz
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I'm a little behind on local lax as I've been stuck in Cali for a few weeks, but I've heard CCLA (ChesCo rec lax league) is going to grade based vs age based. Does this put an end to holdback talk if even rec leagues are now grade based?
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Apparently that wasn't really a problem or followed in the past, and most just played grade based anyway so they could be with their friends.
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I'm a little behind on local lax as I've been stuck in Cali for a few weeks, but I've heard CCLA (ChesCo rec lax league) is going to grade based vs age based. Does this put an end to holdback talk if even rec leagues are now grade based?
No offense, but CCLA is pretty pointless and irrelevant. West Chester annually dominates both age groups as they have so many kids in their pool. They often have AA, two As and a B team. You have 90% of Roughriders, 90% of Fusion, a bunch of Brotherly Love, Rising Sons and probably another club or two with kids all living withing WC rec boundaries.
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Agreed. West Chester pulls from too large an area and simply has numbers over the other Rec leagues. The funny things is they all go to different high schools (WC East, Henderson, Rustin, Shanahan, Malvern, Episcopal, Salesianum, Haverford). The kids in the other Rec leagues tend to play with each other from 8 years old to graduation.
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Last season, Wilmington Wings won 12U.
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Not sure how more touches and playing time is pointless at the youth level in any sport. Many of the rec guys in the league also coach club with most having played at a high level, so seems to be a win for parents and players for a couple hundred bucks, especially those who don't do club.
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Not sure how more touches and playing time is pointless at the youth level in any sport. Many of the rec guys in the league also coach club with most having played at a high level, so seems to be a win for parents and players for a couple hundred bucks, especially those who don't do club.
I agree, pointless arguing over wins/losses but very valuable as a means for boys to play more lax at a fairly high level. CCLA isn’t perfect but more well run than The other Philly league which just has too many teams involved. The lopsided nature of this league can be concerning, but as a parent of non-WC players I’ve never been bothered by their dominance as it’s good competition and only makes my boys better.
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It looks like CYO lacrosse is picking up some steam in that area as well.
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Rumors flying around that Tigers 2026 becoming HHH 2026, any truth?
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Rumors flying around that Tigers 2026 becoming HHH 2026, any truth?

sounds about right. The '26 HHH team has been struggling to compete for years in the NLF. HHH flat out abandoned the youth teams below '26. Might as well bring bring in the Tigers to keep up the brand.
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Rumors flying around that Tigers 2026 becoming HHH 2026, any truth?

sounds about right. The '26 HHH team has been struggling to compete for years in the NLF. HHH flat out abandoned the youth teams below '26. Might as well bring bring in the Tigers to keep up the brand.

Makes total sense gets them into the NLF events which they never would be able to do as the Tigers....Team 10 going to follow suit?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rumors flying around that Tigers 2026 becoming HHH 2026, any truth?

sounds about right. The '26 HHH team has been struggling to compete for years in the NLF. HHH flat out abandoned the youth teams below '26. Might as well bring bring in the Tigers to keep up the brand.

Makes total sense gets them into the NLF events which they never would be able to do as the Tigers....Team 10 going to follow suit?

Since HHH and Tigers have finished #2 or #1 at the NLF for 3 years in 2025 and 2026 that idea is out the window.Some of the older HHH do scrimmages with the Tigers to get better and play more. My kid in played one of scrimmages, it looked like a college game. HHH is the best at 2025 and Tigers is the best at 2026.They partner and friends but no merger. Moving my kid to HHH 2025 because they play so much more than my kids team before.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rumors flying around that Tigers 2026 becoming HHH 2026, any truth?

sounds about right. The '26 HHH team has been struggling to compete for years in the NLF. HHH flat out abandoned the youth teams below '26. Might as well bring bring in the Tigers to keep up the brand.

Makes total sense gets them into the NLF events which they never would be able to do as the Tigers....Team 10 going to follow suit?

Good luck getting Tiger to comment on here there notIntelligent contract states they cant talk
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rumors flying around that Tigers 2026 becoming HHH 2026, any truth?

sounds about right. The '26 HHH team has been struggling to compete for years in the NLF. HHH flat out abandoned the youth teams below '26. Might as well bring bring in the Tigers to keep up the brand.

Makes total sense gets them into the NLF events which they never would be able to do as the Tigers....Team 10 going to follow suit?

Good luck getting Tiger to comment on here there notIntelligent contract states they cant talk

Ha, parent contract?
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The 2025 and 2026 look like a college game....really? What college?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rumors flying around that Tigers 2026 becoming HHH 2026, any truth?

sounds about right. The '26 HHH team has been struggling to compete for years in the NLF. HHH flat out abandoned the youth teams below '26. Might as well bring bring in the Tigers to keep up the brand.

Makes total sense gets them into the NLF events which they never would be able to do as the Tigers....Team 10 going to follow suit?

Good luck getting Tiger to comment on here there notIntelligent contract states they cant talk

Ha, parent contract?

Yup 10 pages of rules!
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The 2025 and 2026 look like a college game....really? What college?

Who do you contact to get 2025 look for scrimmage?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rumors flying around that Tigers 2026 becoming HHH 2026, any truth?

sounds about right. The '26 HHH team has been struggling to compete for years in the NLF. HHH flat out abandoned the youth teams below '26. Might as well bring bring in the Tigers to keep up the brand.

Makes total sense gets them into the NLF events which they never would be able to do as the Tigers....Team 10 going to follow suit?

Good luck getting Tiger to comment on here there notIntelligent contract states they cant talk

Ha, parent contract?

Yup 10 pages of rules!

Probably smart
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Thanks Tiger coach Q
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I'd love to see this NDA the Tiger's Parents have to sign. Can anyone copy and paste it in here? It's an anon board baby! fight the power!
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Nobody is forced to sign the "NDA/Contract". They can always play somewhere else. The funny thing is in 2 years.....the "top" 2026 team is never the top team. The other kids catch up quick.
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Nobody is forced to sign the "NDA/Contract". They can always play somewhere else. The funny thing is in 2 years.....the "top" 2026 team is never the top team. The other kids catch up quick.

True, They have slipped a bit.
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Nobody is forced to sign the "NDA/Contract". They can always play somewhere else. The funny thing is in 2 years.....the "top" 2026 team is never the top team. The other kids catch up quick.

ooooohhhh right. there is still freedom of choice in America. right I had forgotten that nobody was forced to play for a particular club team. thanks for the refresher.

It is funny that if you DO IN FACT want to play for the tigers, you DO have to sign an NDA.
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Nobody is forced to sign the "NDA/Contract". They can always play somewhere else. The funny thing is in 2 years.....the "top" 2026 team is never the top team. The other kids catch up quick.

ooooohhhh right. there is still freedom of choice in America. right I had forgotten that nobody was forced to play for a particular club team. thanks for the refresher.

It is funny that if you DO IN FACT want to play for the tigers, you DO have to sign an NDA.

Well....that is their choice. I personally would not sign an NDA based on a local travel team for a bunch of 6th graders. It is insane but if parents feel that is a good option for their 12 year old...have at it. It's all smoke and mirrors until they get to high school anyway. I know clubs that are at best .500 but will have better high school players then the greatest 12 year old in the Philly area.....well maybe not as good as the guy who said the 2025 team was better then college teams (hahahaha).
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nobody is forced to sign the "NDA/Contract". They can always play somewhere else. The funny thing is in 2 years.....the "top" 2026 team is never the top team. The other kids catch up quick.

ooooohhhh right. there is still freedom of choice in America. right I had forgotten that nobody was forced to play for a particular club team. thanks for the refresher.

It is funny that if you DO IN FACT want to play for the tigers, you DO have to sign an NDA.

Well....that is their choice. I personally would not sign an NDA based on a local travel team for a bunch of 6th graders. It is insane but if parents feel that is a good option for their 12 year old...have at it. It's all smoke and mirrors until they get to high school anyway. I know clubs that are at best .500 but will have better high school players then the greatest 12 year old in the Philly area.....well maybe not as good as the guy who said the 2025 team was better then college teams (hahahaha).
Tigers actually signed up for the NXT spring leagues this year. They are a great squad but glad they finally agreed to play local comp to see where everyone really stands in the Philly area. Now we can see if all the hype of Tigers as clear #1, Roughriders #2, Freedom #3 and everyone being "the rest" is accurate.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nobody is forced to sign the "NDA/Contract". They can always play somewhere else. The funny thing is in 2 years.....the "top" 2026 team is never the top team. The other kids catch up quick.

ooooohhhh right. there is still freedom of choice in America. right I had forgotten that nobody was forced to play for a particular club team. thanks for the refresher.

It is funny that if you DO IN FACT want to play for the tigers, you DO have to sign an NDA.

Well....that is their choice. I personally would not sign an NDA based on a local travel team for a bunch of 6th graders. It is insane but if parents feel that is a good option for their 12 year old...have at it. It's all smoke and mirrors until they get to high school anyway. I know clubs that are at best .500 but will have better high school players then the greatest 12 year old in the Philly area.....well maybe not as good as the guy who said the 2025 team was better then college teams (hahahaha).
Tigers actually signed up for the NXT spring leagues this year. They are a great squad but glad they finally agreed to play local comp to see where everyone really stands in the Philly area. Now we can see if all the hype of Tigers as clear #1, Roughriders #2, Freedom #3 and everyone being "the rest" is accurate.

RR guy there parents wont bite because they can't allowed to comment,,worse you showed it was you because we played them a bunch,,so have fun.
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So, with high school starting practices and no 2020 season to gauge, what are the guesses for the top teams around philly?
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In no particular order Malvern Prep, Lasalle, Haverford School. Good news they all play each other so we will soon find out.
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Inter Ac is another level but if we are talking PIAA....LaSalle, Downingtown East, Bishop Shanahan, Conestoga, Garnet Valley. Radnor always seems to put a good product on the field. Never count out Springfield. Salesianum will have a very good team in Delaware (I list it because many PA players go down there).
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Inter Ac is another level but if we are talking PIAA....LaSalle, Downingtown East, Bishop Shanahan, Conestoga, Garnet Valley. Radnor always seems to put a good product on the field. Never count out Springfield. Salesianum will have a very good team in Delaware (I list it because many PA players go down there).

This year it will be Garnett and Kennet, from the true public schools. LaSalle, like St Joe Prep in football is a joke that they play in public league
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Inter Ac is another level but if we are talking PIAA....LaSalle, Downingtown East, Bishop Shanahan, Conestoga, Garnet Valley. Radnor always seems to put a good product on the field. Never count out Springfield. Salesianum will have a very good team in Delaware (I list it because many PA players go down there).

This year it will be Garnett and Kennet, from the true public schools. LaSalle, like St Joe Prep in football is a joke that they play in public league


Kennett is very strong this year. Avon Grove also puts a good product on the field. Chesmont may be up for grabs. DEAST is supposedly stacked this year.
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Chesmont will be interesting. DEast and Kennett should be strong, DWest and AG have some good players, Shanahan will be down this year. How is WC East and Henderson?
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Chesmont will be interesting. DEast and Kennett should be strong, DWest and AG have some good players, Shanahan will be down this year. How is WC East and Henderson?

Kennett has some real strong players like Freebery that huge LSM, etc. Good D1 kids.

ANC and Lasalle good teams for the non Inter AC privates.

But I think Malvern is cream of the crop this year in PA and pretty darn high nationally. My son has to play them and the offene is crazy good, funny thing is they were probably even better last year.
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No one cares about Nurry and his cronies breaking down Chester county lacrosse. Unless you sippin that bad kool aid
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Hahahahaha so true, they are all a joke
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What is a Nurry?
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No one cares about Nurry and his cronies breaking down Chester county lacrosse. Unless you sippin that bad kool aid

Good point....except for the 13 schools in the Chesmont and the 3 private schools....but other then that, you are correct.
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What is a Nurry?

You can't be serious, but I'll play along. Two Words: Brotherly Love. To quote Biggie Smalls, If you don't know, now you know.
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What is a Nurry?

You can't be serious, but I'll play along. Two Words: Brotherly Love. To quote Biggie Smalls, If you don't know, now you know.


Funny since Nurry's kid doesn't go to any of these schools.
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Looking through Tourney Machine at the Mid-Atlantic Spring League. Oddly see a team I've never heard of...Philly Special 2025? Anybody know who this is?
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HHH 2025
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Oh. Why would they use a different name? There is a hhh 26 team listed.
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Oh. Why would they use a different name? There is a hhh 26 team listed.
A certain guy doesn't want to upset the NLF Powers that be. Pretty weak move.
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Oh. Why would they use a different name? There is a hhh 26 team listed.
A certain guy doesn't want to upset the NLF Powers that be. Pretty weak move.

They will crunch every opponent by 10 plus.
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Oh. Why would they use a different name? There is a hhh 26 team listed.
A certain guy doesn't want to upset the NLF Powers that be. Pretty weak move.

They will crunch every opponent by 10 plus.
The kids want to play, the coaching staff doesn’t. So you have Philly special and not HHH.
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A real kid's first program......
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Avon Grove will be well-disciplined and conditioned like always. The talent level has decreased however so they don't have that "it" or "clutch" factor anymore. Expect a Mid-Districts Run from them but they'd have to be lucky to get into the state tourney this year
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Oh. Why would they use a different name? There is a hhh 26 team listed.
The 25s used that Philly Special moniker last year as well. Its just a couple petty adults making things more difficult than they need to be. That team is legit though, whereas the 26s are going to struggle in the NXT Spring league going against legit national powers in Tigers, Jersey Express, RoughRiders and Freedom plus a much improved NXT squad (who took some HHH 26s).
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HHH 2026 has some good guest players this year and a solid core. Some of their core players also play for the Tigers. I wouldn’t count them out yet
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HHH 2026 has some good guest players this year and a solid core. Some of their core players also play for the Tigers. I wouldn’t count them out yet
Will they play for HHH or Tigers in the spring league? That could probably make a big difference. I don't have a 2026, but that division is stacked. From what I know and have seen 2026s is one year where Philly area teams have legit national presence and can hang with MD and LI.
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Just wanted to say it was great being at the Proving Grounds yesterday for the Spring League. Things are starting to feel like we are getting back to normal. Philly special, hhh, tigers...whatever. at least we are back and playing.
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Just wanted to say it was great being at the Proving Grounds yesterday for the Spring League. Things are starting to feel like we are getting back to normal. Philly special, hhh, tigers...whatever. at least we are back and playing.
So true...as long as the boys are out there on the field I am happy.
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Anyone have some info on the "playday" for the HS teams this past weekend at DTOWN? It looked like they had some good teams playing against each other early in the season.
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True that parents and extended parents cant come to HS games?
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True that parents and extended parents cant come to HS games?

From Radnor's web site:
General Information

Every student-participant will get two Central Athletic League Passes to give to their parents/guardians. Passes will be distributed to student athletes by coaches, who will then give two Central Athletic League passes to their parents/guardians.
All spectators must always wear masks when attending any indoor or outdoor events. Masks must be worn upon entering/exiting venues, during the competition, and whenever walking/moving about at outdoor events.
Concession stands will remain closed.
Spectators will be prohibited from congregating in groups. All spectators are asked to maintain six feet of social distancing. If guidelines are not being followed, you will be asked to leave the school premises and could be prohibited from returning for future games.
Spectators will be permitted to stand, remain in their designated seats or walk to their destination (seat, restroom, exit) provided that social distancing and masking protocols are followed.
Lawn chairs are welcome for events held at outdoor venues other than Prevost Field.
Student spectators are not permitted at any events.


Opposing Spectators

Two parents per opposing player will be allowed into the game. For Central League games, passes must be shown. For non-league games, a roster will be provided prior to the game and spectators will be checked in based on team players.

Away Games and Contests

Spectator rules for away games are at the discretion of the home team. We will follow their procedures as directed.
Our Athletic Department will share with our families on a weekly basis which contests will allow for spectators. We are playing both Central Athletic League contests as well as Non-Central Athletic League contests. Every school will set their own policy for spectators. Please keep an eye for communication from our Athletic Director, Mr. Friel.
When attending an away contest, Radnor parents/guardians must bring their Central Athletic League passes. Parents will not be permitted into the away venue without their passes.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
True that parents and extended parents cant come to HS games?

From Radnor's web site:
General Information

Every student-participant will get two Central Athletic League Passes to give to their parents/guardians. Passes will be distributed to student athletes by coaches, who will then give two Central Athletic League passes to their parents/guardians.
All spectators must always wear masks when attending any indoor or outdoor events. Masks must be worn upon entering/exiting venues, during the competition, and whenever walking/moving about at outdoor events.
Concession stands will remain closed.
Spectators will be prohibited from congregating in groups. All spectators are asked to maintain six feet of social distancing. If guidelines are not being followed, you will be asked to leave the school premises and could be prohibited from returning for future games.
Spectators will be permitted to stand, remain in their designated seats or walk to their destination (seat, restroom, exit) provided that social distancing and masking protocols are followed.
Lawn chairs are welcome for events held at outdoor venues other than Prevost Field.
Student spectators are not permitted at any events.


Opposing Spectators

Two parents per opposing player will be allowed into the game. For Central League games, passes must be shown. For non-league games, a roster will be provided prior to the game and spectators will be checked in based on team players.

Away Games and Contests

Spectator rules for away games are at the discretion of the home team. We will follow their procedures as directed.
Our Athletic Department will share with our families on a weekly basis which contests will allow for spectators. We are playing both Central Athletic League contests as well as Non-Central Athletic League contests. Every school will set their own policy for spectators. Please keep an eye for communication from our Athletic Director, Mr. Friel.
When attending an away contest, Radnor parents/guardians must bring their Central Athletic League passes. Parents will not be permitted into the away venue without their passes.

Thanks
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone have some info on the "playday" for the HS teams this past weekend at DTOWN? It looked like they had some good teams playing against each other early in the season.

Kennet goes 3-0 and smokes Manheim. Beats DEAST by 1 and DWEST by 2 or 3. DEAST smokes palmyra n Manheim. Not to sure about the rest of DWEST games or WCEAST games.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone have some info on the "playday" for the HS teams this past weekend at DTOWN? It looked like they had some good teams playing against each other early in the season.

Kennet goes 3-0 and smokes Manheim. Beats DEAST by 1 and DWEST by 2 or 3. DEAST smokes palmyra n Manheim. Not to sure about the rest of DWEST games or WCEAST games.

I wouldn't put too much into scrimmage results. Coaches are still working through Varsity rosters, lines, etc.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone have some info on the "playday" for the HS teams this past weekend at DTOWN? It looked like they had some good teams playing against each other early in the season.

Kennet goes 3-0 and smokes Manheim. Beats DEAST by 1 and DWEST by 2 or 3. DEAST smokes palmyra n Manheim. Not to sure about the rest of DWEST games or WCEAST games.

I wouldn't put too much into scrimmage results. Coaches are still working through Varsity rosters, lines, etc.

Very true but it sounds like the talk around Kennett and DEAST is legit. They are stacked with talent. The chesmont is probably theirs to lose. Given that WC East won the Chesmont 2 years ago, it will be interesting to see what their squad has left or if they are rebuilding.
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Anyone have some info on the "playday" for the HS teams this past weekend at DTOWN? It looked like they had some good teams playing against each other early in the season.

Kennet goes 3-0 and smokes Manheim. Beats DEAST by 1 and DWEST by 2 or 3. DEAST smokes palmyra n Manheim. Not to sure about the rest of DWEST games or WCEAST games.

I wouldn't put too much into scrimmage results. Coaches are still working through Varsity rosters, lines, etc.

Very true but it sounds like the talk around Kennett and DEAST is legit. They are stacked with talent. The chesmont is probably theirs to lose. Given that WC East won the Chesmont 2 years ago, it will be interesting to see what their squad has left or if they are rebuilding.

Garnet and Kennett should be top 2...Kennett fogo got hurt and the kid going to Harvard wasn't there they are going to be tough
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone have some info on the "playday" for the HS teams this past weekend at DTOWN? It looked like they had some good teams playing against each other early in the season.

Kennet goes 3-0 and smokes Manheim. Beats DEAST by 1 and DWEST by 2 or 3. DEAST smokes palmyra n Manheim. Not to sure about the rest of DWEST games or WCEAST games.

I wouldn't put too much into scrimmage results. Coaches are still working through Varsity rosters, lines, etc.

Very true but it sounds like the talk around Kennett and DEAST is legit. They are stacked with talent. The chesmont is probably theirs to lose. Given that WC East won the Chesmont 2 years ago, it will be interesting to see what their squad has left or if they are rebuilding.

Garnet and Kennett should be top 2...Kennett fogo got hurt and the kid going to Harvard wasn't there they are going to be tough

Both teams were missing players that is true.
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[quote=Anonymous]Anyone have some info on the "playday" for the HS teams this past weekend at DTOWN? It looked like they had some good teams playing against each other early in the season.

Kennet goes 3-0 and smokes Manheim. Beats DEAST by 1 and DWEST by 2 or 3. DEAST smokes palmyra n Manheim. Not to sure about the rest of DWEST games or WCEAST games.

I wouldn't put too much into scrimmage results. Coaches are still working through Varsity rosters, lines, etc.

Very true but it sounds like the talk around Kennett and DEAST is legit. They are stacked with talent. The chesmont is probably theirs to lose. Given that WC East won the Chesmont 2 years ago, it will be interesting to see what their squad has left or if they are rebuilding.

Garnet and Kennett should be top 2...Kennett fogo got hurt and the kid going to Harvard wasn't there they are going to be tough

Both teams were missing players that is true.[/quot

Did Springfield beat DEast as bad as the score showed?
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I guess we can’t believe their hype machine. Games are played on the field. But it looks like annoying lax dads have graduated to high school.
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That was me...to be fair I have no kids who go to those schools....I was told they were the teams to beat. You are right, you have to play the games on the field. Makes me wonder if these kids were playing in the offseason or ......like you said....the hype machine is in full effect. Another 15 games or so to figure it out. Not a good start for the chesmont if this is the case. Just happy they are out there playing at this point.

Malvern represented...great win!!! I was surprised Haverford beat up on 'Stoga like they did.
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That was me...to be fair I have no kids who go to those schools....I was told they were the teams to beat. You are right, you have to play the games on the field. Makes me wonder if these kids were playing in the offseason or ......like you said....the hype machine is in full effect. Another 15 games or so to figure it out. Not a good start for the chesmont if this is the case. Just happy they are out there playing at this point.

Malvern represented...great win!!! I was surprised Haverford beat up on 'Stoga like they did.

Why would you be surprised? One is a 50k a year private school that pretty much tells every kid they have to reclass and is 40 deep, the other is public school that is probably 2 kids short of having 10 legit starters.
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That was me...to be fair I have no kids who go to those schools....I was told they were the teams to beat. You are right, you have to play the games on the field. Makes me wonder if these kids were playing in the offseason or ......like you said....the hype machine is in full effect. Another 15 games or so to figure it out. Not a good start for the chesmont if this is the case. Just happy they are out there playing at this point.

Malvern represented...great win!!! I was surprised Haverford beat up on 'Stoga like they did.

Why would you be surprised? One is a 50k a year private school that pretty much tells every kid they have to reclass and is 40 deep, the other is public school that is probably 2 kids short of having 10 legit starters.

Let's be more supportive than this please.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
That was me...to be fair I have no kids who go to those schools....I was told they were the teams to beat. You are right, you have to play the games on the field. Makes me wonder if these kids were playing in the offseason or ......like you said....the hype machine is in full effect. Another 15 games or so to figure it out. Not a good start for the chesmont if this is the case. Just happy they are out there playing at this point.

Malvern represented...great win!!! I was surprised Haverford beat up on 'Stoga like they did.

Why would you be surprised? One is a 50k a year private school that pretty much tells every kid they have to reclass and is 40 deep, the other is public school that is probably 2 kids short of having 10 legit starters.

Not sure you can put Conestoga in that bucket of not having 10 legit starters. Definitely one of the better teams in the PIAA. They beat EA last week.....which according to you is the "50k a year private school that pretty much tells every kid they have to reclass and is 40 deep".

Also...you may want to take a down a notch or two.....just trying to talk a little high school lacrosse. I don't argue your logic about the hold back (which is funny because it is true) but it all equals out as we move into the junior and senior year in terms of the quality of the individual player. Malvern/Haverford has 100 kids come out for lacrosse each year to make 3 teams and gives grants for kids to play for them. They are incredible but his is why they don't play in the PIAA. Good for them.... but talk about displacing so many kids who just want to play lax in high school.
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That was me...to be fair I have no kids who go to those schools....I was told they were the teams to beat. You are right, you have to play the games on the field. Makes me wonder if these kids were playing in the offseason or ......like you said....the hype machine is in full effect. Another 15 games or so to figure it out. Not a good start for the chesmont if this is the case. Just happy they are out there playing at this point.

Malvern represented...great win!!! I was surprised Haverford beat up on 'Stoga like they did.

Why would you be surprised? One is a 50k a year private school that pretty much tells every kid they have to reclass and is 40 deep, the other is public school that is probably 2 kids short of having 10 legit starters.

Not sure you can put Conestoga in that bucket of not having 10 legit starters. Definitely one of the better teams in the PIAA. They beat EA last week.....which according to you is the "50k a year private school that pretty much tells every kid they have to reclass and is 40 deep".

Also...you may want to take a down a notch or two.....just trying to talk a little high school lacrosse. I don't argue your logic about the hold back (which is funny because it is true) but it all equals out as we move into the junior and senior year in terms of the quality of the individual player. Malvern/Haverford has 100 kids come out for lacrosse each year to make 3 teams and gives grants for kids to play for them. They are incredible but his is why they don't play in the PIAA. Good for them.... but talk about displacing so many kids who just want to play lax in high school.

I was comparing them to Haverford...Stoga definitely one of the elite public schools and props to them for playing the schedule they do play you don't see many other public league schools even considering it. And you can't compare EA to MP or Haverford since they have to split everything 50/50 with the girls.
This year in PIAA is totally up for grabs, Radnor, Stoga, Garnet, Kennett, Springfield and Wissahicken all seem to be capable of making a run...
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Sounds like a disgruntled public school dad...who couldn't stand the heat in the Inter-Ac.
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Sounds like a disgruntled public school dad...who couldn't stand the heat in the Inter-Ac.

But is he wrong?
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That was me...to be fair I have no kids who go to those schools....I was told they were the teams to beat. You are right, you have to play the games on the field. Makes me wonder if these kids were playing in the offseason or ......like you said....the hype machine is in full effect. Another 15 games or so to figure it out. Not a good start for the chesmont if this is the case. Just happy they are out there playing at this point.

Malvern represented...great win!!! I was surprised Haverford beat up on 'Stoga like they did.

Why would you be surprised? One is a 50k a year private school that pretty much tells every kid they have to reclass and is 40 deep, the other is public school that is probably 2 kids short of having 10 legit starters.

Not sure you can put Conestoga in that bucket of not having 10 legit starters. Definitely one of the better teams in the PIAA. They beat EA last week.....which according to you is the "50k a year private school that pretty much tells every kid they have to reclass and is 40 deep".

Also...you may want to take a down a notch or two.....just trying to talk a little high school lacrosse. I don't argue your logic about the hold back (which is funny because it is true) but it all equals out as we move into the junior and senior year in terms of the quality of the individual player. Malvern/Haverford has 100 kids come out for lacrosse each year to make 3 teams and gives grants for kids to play for them. They are incredible but his is why they don't play in the PIAA. Good for them.... but talk about displacing so many kids who just want to play lax in high school.

I was comparing them to Haverford...Stoga definitely one of the elite public schools and props to them for playing the schedule they do play you don't see many other public league schools even considering it. And you can't compare EA to MP or Haverford since they have to split everything 50/50 with the girls.
This year in PIAA is totally up for grabs, Radnor, Stoga, Garnet, Kennett, Springfield and Wissahicken all seem to be capable of making a run...

Don't forget LaSalle who Haverford I know beat up on as well, but they get to play for the PIAA Championship. There are so many good lacrosse players in Philly area it is really getting Loaded.
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Interestingly enough when you look at the committs for the class of 22's here in Philly it's beyond light to say the least. College coaches have rendered their position on local Philly talent so i am not sure how you view Philly getting loaded. The Philly 21 group was a strong class, but the 22's weak, 23's weaker, but the 24's and 26's are really strong talent rich groups.
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Interestingly enough when you look at the committs for the class of 22's here in Philly it's beyond light to say the least. College coaches have rendered their position on local Philly talent so i am not sure how you view Philly getting loaded. The Philly 21 group was a strong class, but the 22's weak, 23's weaker, but the 24's and 26's are really strong talent rich groups.

I would say it has more to due with COVID and kids taking there extra years, it is really screwing the 22's and 23's...
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Agreed, having no season last year and limited/not in person viewing for coaches last summer has made a huge impact. Laxrecords shows 47 D1 for 2021 and 24 for 2022 from PA so far, so I would expect the 2022 class to equal out to 2021 by this time next year.
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Agreed, having no season last year and limited/not in person viewing for coaches last summer has made a huge impact. Laxrecords shows 47 D1 for 2021 and 24 for 2022 from PA so far, so I would expect the 2022 class to equal out to 2021 by this time next year.

The 24 class doesn't compare to either the 22 or 23's and 26's are in 7th grade so stop even mentioning them, but college rosters are loaded with 60 kids now due to the extra year. Than add the 21 recruit's its pretty easy to see why the #'s are down. Post grad years will be the new things....you give every kid in college an extra year so its the only way it will balance out. The re-classed kids will now be 21/22 year old freshman...
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The point is those numbers don't seem to be down in other geographies. For example look in MD, 22 commits liter the landscape and they are certainly prone to the same conditions you highlight. Compare those numbers with PA and it indicates college evaluators are clearly saying the PA 22' talent pool isn't very strong compared to other areas. So my view is not personal but solely interpreting the facts based on commits which is a standard of measure to understand what the college evaluators are thinking.
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Again, looking at laxrecords, NY has 122 2021s committed and only 56 2022s. MD 74 vs 36, so using that data one could try to make the argument that the 2022 class is weak in general. I don't think so, as it all comes down to covid impact as looking at other sports there is a similar trend. It will be interesting to see if the post grads continue, or if this will just be a one or two year spike. A lot of the guys who did not return for a fifth year are regretting it, so we'll see. It definitely changes the recruiting landscape for several years....
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The college lax player glut will not end until the 2024 class goes into college. Keep in mind...there are only a certain amount of scholarschips available for the entire team....throw in an extra year like we are having now....and that dramatically impacts the class of 2021, 22, 23.
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Saw that Conestoga lost to Garnet Valley 13-9 yesterday. Looks like GV had a good day at the face-off. Will be interesting to see how the rest of the season plays out. How is Radnor this year, can they beat GV?
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Who is Academy New Church and how did they beat Springfield and Wissahickon? Just off games?
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ANC is legit. Small program. Good recruiting. Private school without the insane pricetag of inter-ac schools. No surprise that they got those W’s
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Who is Academy New Church and how did they beat Springfield and Wissahickon? Just off games?
This is all you need to know about ANC Lax:
Head Coach: Jack Forster
Assistant Coaches: Kevin Forster, Brandon Asplundh, Niko Amato and Jack Rapine
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who is Academy New Church and how did they beat Springfield and Wissahickon? Just off games?
This is all you need to know about ANC Lax:
Head Coach: Jack Forster
Assistant Coaches: Kevin Forster, Brandon Asplundh, Niko Amato and Jack Rapine

ANC state champs!
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Saw that Conestoga lost to Garnet Valley 13-9 yesterday. Looks like GV had a good day at the face-off. Will be interesting to see how the rest of the season plays out. How is Radnor this year, can they beat GV?

Radnor could win it all....unless the private/public school LaSalle wins it again
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who is Academy New Church and how did they beat Springfield and Wissahickon? Just off games?
This is all you need to know about ANC Lax:
Head Coach: Jack Forster
Assistant Coaches: Kevin Forster, Brandon Asplundh, Niko Amato and Jack Rapine

ANC state champs!

ANC is legit...just needs more kids they only roster like 15 kids..
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Looks like its down to 4 teams with a shot to win...LaSalle, Kennett, Garnet and Radnor......never understand why LaSalle can play in the tournament
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All good lacrosse teams. Radnor probably the most talented and best coached. LaSalle 40 man roster but only 10 kids play, rest standing on sidelines.
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They do not recruit for
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All good lacrosse teams. Radnor probably the most talented and best coached. LaSalle 40 man roster but only 10 kids play, rest standing on sidelines.

They do not recruit for lacrosse if that is what you are implying.
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They do not recruit for
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All good lacrosse teams. Radnor probably the most talented and best coached. LaSalle 40 man roster but only 10 kids play, rest standing on sidelines.

They do not recruit for lacrosse if that is what you are implying.

Sure they don't, but its still not a public school so if you have no boundaries you shouldn't play in the public league.
Kennett seems to be rolling right now, demolished DEast and Garnett Valley
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Radnor is going to win it all
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Not implying that. The opposite. You can see they don’t recruit because they only have 10 players that play for them. Watched Lawrenceville game. Coach does not use bench at all. Must be a weak bench. This is why Radnor will beat them.
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Agreed. They will win it all. Clearly the best team, best coached.
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What happened to Penn Charter this year? Terrible record. NC commit, Duke committ, Lehigh Committ, Villanova committ. Joey Sankey coaching. You would think they would be something special.
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What happened to Penn Charter this year? Terrible record. NC commit, Duke committ, Lehigh Committ, Villanova committ. Joey Sankey coaching. You would think they would be something special.

Covid destroyed their season this year. Barely practiced to start the season and then missed a bunch of games.
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What happened to Penn Charter this year? Terrible record. NC commit, Duke committ, Lehigh Committ, Villanova committ. Joey Sankey coaching. You would think they would be something special.

Covid destroyed their season this year. Barely practiced to start the season and then missed a bunch of games.

I don't think that's an uncommon story this year. Plenty of other teams have suffered the same COVID quarantine fate.
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They do not recruit for
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All good lacrosse teams. Radnor probably the most talented and best coached. LaSalle 40 man roster but only 10 kids play, rest standing on sidelines.

They do not recruit for lacrosse if that is what you are implying.
Of course they recruit, just not as aggressively or with the financial backing of other schools. Even public schools recruit as they attempt to keep players away from the privates/Catholics. There is nothing wrong with recruiting. Anyone who thinks there's a single coach who doesn't recruit either doesn't have a kid playing or is just trying to stir the pot.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
They do not recruit for
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All good lacrosse teams. Radnor probably the most talented and best coached. LaSalle 40 man roster but only 10 kids play, rest standing on sidelines.

They do not recruit for lacrosse if that is what you are implying.
Of course they recruit, just not as aggressively or with the financial backing of other schools. Even public schools recruit as they attempt to keep players away from the privates/Catholics. There is nothing wrong with recruiting. Anyone who thinks there's a single coach who doesn't recruit either doesn't have a kid playing or is just trying to stir the pot.

Good point....I should clarify. They don't recruit like the Inter Ac or many of the Prep schools. In Lasalle's case, they are most likely competing with other Archdiocesan Catholic schools.
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Of course they recruit, just not as aggressively or with the financial backing of other schools. Even public schools recruit as they attempt to keep players away from the privates/Catholics. There is nothing wrong with recruiting. Anyone who thinks there's a single coach who doesn't recruit either doesn't have a kid playing or is just trying to stir the pot.[/quote]

Good point....I should clarify. They don't recruit like the Inter Ac or many of the Prep schools. In Lasalle's case, they are most likely competing with other Archdiocesan Catholic schools.[/quote]

I agree, this is a fair assessment. I assume the OP didn't mean they don't recruit at all, but good clarification that LaSalle is not recruiting at the Inter Ac level, Prep school or even some of the other area private/Catholic schools.
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Do some schools not recruit or they just can’t recruit well? The financial backing is overblown as 75% of lax families think the poverty level is $200k.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not implying that. The opposite. You can see they don’t recruit because they only have 10 players that play for them. Watched Lawrenceville game. Coach does not use bench at all. Must be a weak bench. This is why Radnor will beat them.


Watch a close Malvern game tell me how many kids they play? 12 max, not counting the fogo's since they don't have anyone that is really dominate.
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Didn’t see Lawrenceville game, but my kid played against them in a really lopsided game. They killed us. No subs till last two minutes. Totally ridiculous. Saw lots of kids on their side line not get in the game. Their starters scoring lots of goals and celebrating unnecessarily against a young inexperienced team. Lots of inflated egos.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not implying that. The opposite. You can see they don’t recruit because they only have 10 players that play for them. Watched Lawrenceville game. Coach does not use bench at all. Must be a weak bench. This is why Radnor will beat them.


Watch a close Malvern game tell me how many kids they play? 12 max, not counting the fogo's since they don't have anyone that is really dominate.

Lasalle doesn’t have many close games. Look at phillylacrosse.com scoreboard.They blow out all other catholic schools. Malvern plays many more than 12 kids when they are blowing teams out. That is the big difference.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not implying that. The opposite. You can see they don’t recruit because they only have 10 players that play for them. Watched Lawrenceville game. Coach does not use bench at all. Must be a weak bench. This is why Radnor will beat them.


Watch a close Malvern game tell me how many kids they play? 12 max, not counting the fogo's since they don't have anyone that is really dominate.

Agree and you said it best "a close malvern game" If games are blowouts in the 4th, the bench should play.
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Would be nice to see more positivity here as there are a lot of good local high school teams and players.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Didn’t see Lawrenceville game, but my kid played against them in a really lopsided game. They killed us. No subs till last two minutes. Totally ridiculous. Saw lots of kids on their side line not get in the game. Their starters scoring lots of goals and celebrating unnecessarily against a young inexperienced team. Lots of inflated egos.

thats what you get for 68k a year.....
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TOPIC CHANGE:

What HS team surprised you the most?

It may seem obvious but I did not realize how good Kennett is.....very impressive. Rustin is a young team that did very well.

Allentown Central Catholic looks like a strong contender for the AA state championship.

Perk Valley and Pennsbury put together nice years as well.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
TOPIC CHANGE:

What HS team surprised you the most?

It may seem obvious but I did not realize how good Kennett is.....very impressive. Rustin is a young team that did very well.

Allentown Central Catholic looks like a strong contender for the AA state championship.

Perk Valley and Pennsbury put together nice years as well.

Rustin has a few young decent players, but a senior d1 attackman and good senior fogo really help. If they stay in 2a they will be able to compete but they're not a great 3a team in the future 2 years. Kennet is really good this year but that run ends after this year. ACC is going to win the 2a championship I believe with a fight from district 1 and some decent teams in district 7 and 3. The PAC overall is pretty weak making Perk look good and Pennsbury did alright for their standards but cannot compete amongst top teams.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TOPIC CHANGE:

What HS team surprised you the most?

It may seem obvious but I did not realize how good Kennett is.....very impressive. Rustin is a young team that did very well.

Allentown Central Catholic looks like a strong contender for the AA state championship.

Perk Valley and Pennsbury put together nice years as well.

Rustin has a few young decent players, but a senior d1 attackman and good senior fogo really help. If they stay in 2a they will be able to compete but they're not a great 3a team in the future 2 years. Kennet is really good this year but that run ends after this year. ACC is going to win the 2a championship I believe with a fight from district 1 and some decent teams in district 7 and 3. The PAC overall is pretty weak making Perk look good and Pennsbury did alright for their standards but cannot compete amongst top teams.

Kennett is loaded would be good to see them unseat the Central League teams and even better LaSalle...
How is Rustin only 2A when similar schools East/Henderson are not?
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I had the same question...in short, it is based on the enrollment for your boys in grade 10,11,12. From what I recall....Rustin is just under the AAA qualifications by a few students so they fell into the AA this year. They could be back to AAA next year depending on their enrollment.

https://www.piaa.org/schools/classi...x?sportID=42&district=1&class=AA
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Actually....this link does a better job of showing the classifications.

https://www.piaa.org/schools/classifications/requirements.aspx
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Actually....this link does a better job of showing the classifications.

https://www.piaa.org/schools/classifications/requirements.aspx

in 2019 they had almost 1300 students to not have 500 boys 2 years later seems almost impossible.
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I believe the 500 TOTAL is for the sophomore, Junior, and senior classes only. Like I said.....they are so close to 500 that next year could push them into AAA.
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Agreed. They will win it all. Clearly the best team, best coached.

~Out coached and out played last night by Springfield
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Agreed. They will win it all. Clearly the best team, best coached.

~Out coached and out played last night by Springfield


Looks like on any given day, any one of handful of teams could win it all - Springfield, Radnor, Kennett, Garnet Valley, Conestoga, etc.....
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That speaks volumes on the quality of lacrosse in the area.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agreed. They will win it all. Clearly the best team, best coached.

~Out coached and out played last night by Springfield

Springfield clearly had superior coaching. Radnor couldn’t adapt.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agreed. They will win it all. Clearly the best team, best coached.

~Out coached and out played last night by Springfield

Springfield clearly had superior coaching. Radnor couldn’t adapt.

Big upsets last night....what is LaSalle tuition per year
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Not as much as these Wiss parents and coaches pay to pimp out their players on social media with viral videos and such.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agreed. They will win it all. Clearly the best team, best coached.

~Out coached and out played last night by Springfield

Springfield clearly had superior coaching. Radnor couldn’t adapt.

Big upsets last night....what is LaSalle tuition per year

Ummm.....parents are sacrificing to give their kids a faith based education and you want to boil it all down to a lacrosse game? Come on man....be better then that.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Agreed. They will win it all. Clearly the best team, best coached.

~Out coached and out played last night by Springfield

Springfield clearly had superior coaching. Radnor couldn’t adapt.

Big upsets last night....what is LaSalle tuition per year

Ummm.....parents are sacrificing to give their kids a faith based education and you want to boil it all down to a lacrosse game? Come on man....be better then that.[/qu

LOL this is funny..someone asks a simple question and you respond about a faith based education...you be better that
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Agreed. They will win it all. Clearly the best team, best coached.

~Out coached and out played last night by Springfield

Springfield clearly had superior coaching. Radnor couldn’t adapt.

Big upsets last night....what is LaSalle tuition per year

Ummm.....parents are sacrificing to give their kids a faith based education and you want to boil it all down to a lacrosse game? Come on man....be better then that.[/qu

LOL this is funny..someone asks a simple question and you respond about a faith based education...you be better that


Right....you can't google what La Salle's tuition is? BOTC is your source for tuition questions? People know where you are going with that.....you are trying to take a shot at parents and students of LaSalle in a very immature way.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Agreed. They will win it all. Clearly the best team, best coached.

~Out coached and out played last night by Springfield

Springfield clearly had superior coaching. Radnor couldn’t adapt.

Big upsets last night....what is LaSalle tuition per year

Ummm.....parents are sacrificing to give their kids a faith based education and you want to boil it all down to a lacrosse game? Come on man....be better then that.[/qu

LOL this is funny..someone asks a simple question and you respond about a faith based education...you be better that


Right....you can't google what La Salle's tuition is? BOTC is your source for tuition questions? People know where you are going with that.....you are trying to take a shot at parents and students of LaSalle in a very immature way.

I think what the guy said was great, but you probably think its fair that LaSalle plays in the public league.
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.[/quote]

I think what the guy said was great, but you probably think its fair that LaSalle plays in the public league.[/quote]

Lasalle plays in the Philadelphia Catholic league. Are you referring to the fact that they play in the PIAA tournament? They do not offer athletic scholarships to players like the Inter Ac. People pay to go to their school....do you find that to be some sort of advantage?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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I think what the guy said was great, but you probably think its fair that LaSalle plays in the public league.[/quote]

Lasalle plays in the Philadelphia Catholic league. Are you referring to the fact that they play in the PIAA tournament? They do not offer athletic scholarships to players like the Inter Ac. People pay to go to their school....do you find that to be some sort of advantage?[/quote]

Your joking right.....like the inter-ac they give merit-based academic money and need based as well. And oh yeah they have no boundaries like the other PIAA schools.
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"You're" not "your"...guess that is the difference right there guy.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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I think what the guy said was great, but you probably think its fair that LaSalle plays in the public league.

Lasalle plays in the Philadelphia Catholic league. Are you referring to the fact that they play in the PIAA tournament? They do not offer athletic scholarships to players like the Inter Ac. People pay to go to their school....do you find that to be some sort of advantage?[/quote]

Your joking right.....like the inter-ac they give merit-based academic money and need based as well. And oh yeah they have no boundaries like the other PIAA schools.[/quote]


I'm not trying to be dismissive of your thought, but to receive merit based or need based funds, you need to fall under very specific parameters....none of which include athletic prowess. I am certain you do not understand the process.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
.

I think what the guy said was great, but you probably think its fair that LaSalle plays in the public league.

Lasalle plays in the Philadelphia Catholic league. Are you referring to the fact that they play in the PIAA tournament? They do not offer athletic scholarships to players like the Inter Ac. People pay to go to their school....do you find that to be some sort of advantage?

Your joking right.....like the inter-ac they give merit-based academic money and need based as well. And oh yeah they have no boundaries like the other PIAA schools.[/quote]


I'm not trying to be dismissive of your thought, but to receive merit based or need based funds, you need to fall under very specific parameters....none of which include athletic prowess. I am certain you do not understand the process.[/quote]

If you think Lasalle doesn't recruit athletes, I could use the rock you live under during the next thunderstorm
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I think players are attracted to Lasalle’s success. Particularly Catholic athletes. I’m not arguing that….but you are absolutely wrong about monetary handouts for strictly athletic ability. If anyone is hurt by this, it is the area Catholic schools….not the public schools.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
.

I think what the guy said was great, but you probably think its fair that LaSalle plays in the public league.

Lasalle plays in the Philadelphia Catholic league. Are you referring to the fact that they play in the PIAA tournament? They do not offer athletic scholarships to players like the Inter Ac. People pay to go to their school....do you find that to be some sort of advantage?

Your joking right.....like the inter-ac they give merit-based academic money and need based as well. And oh yeah they have no boundaries like the other PIAA schools.[/quote]

I'm not trying to be dismissive of your thought, but to receive merit based or need based funds, you need to fall under very specific parameters....none of which include athletic prowess. I am certain you do not understand the process.[/quote]

No joke whatsoever at LSCH OR Inter-Ac. You must be a dad who never heard a coach or admissions office say “don’t let the sticker price fool ya.” And yeah, some schools’ first offer that comes along with the admissions letter clarifies that this tuition assistance does not have anything to do with Athletics, or the Arts, etc. That’s when the negotiations begin, and the sports bumps come into play. The best I heard it described was like this: Financial Aid is need based but merit distributed.
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Actually I sit on a board that distributes that money to our local Catholic schools.....and you are completely wrong about this.
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Actually I sit on a board that distributes that money to our local Catholic schools.....and you are completely wrong about this.

Please tell me what we are wrong about so we can correct you.
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End this argument no one cares. Maybe talk about the PIAA championships that just happened?????
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Congrats to ACC and Mars for being the first non traditional finalists. Good to see other areas of the state are improving.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
End this argument no one cares. Maybe talk about the PIAA championships that just happened?????
No one cares about PIAA lax unfortunately. If you’re not in the Inter-AC everyone assumes you weren’t good enough to play at one of those schools. There are tons of great PIAA players who get recognition via their club teams, but no teams in 2021 who can compete with the big boys.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
End this argument no one cares. Maybe talk about the PIAA championships that just happened?????
No one cares about PIAA lax unfortunately. If you’re not in the Inter-AC everyone assumes you weren’t good enough to play at one of those schools. There are tons of great PIAA players who get recognition via their club teams, but no teams in 2021 who can compete with the big boys.
Sadly this is true. So many great players go under-recognized because they don't have the opportunity to attend Malvern, Haverford or EA during the high school season. Gotta show out during the summer.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
End this argument no one cares. Maybe talk about the PIAA championships that just happened?????
No one cares about PIAA lax unfortunately. If you’re not in the Inter-AC everyone assumes you weren’t good enough to play at one of those schools. There are tons of great PIAA players who get recognition via their club teams, but no teams in 2021 who can compete with the big boys.
Sadly this is true. So many great players go under-recognized because they don't have the opportunity to attend Malvern, Haverford or EA during the high school season. Gotta show out during the summer.

Yeah guess Matt Moore and Jeff Conner should send there rings to the kids at MP or EA....
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The interac is the best...no doubt about it, but they certainly have resources and advantages that allow them to do so. That being said....which conferences are the best in the area (top to bottom)....not just their best team.

I would say
1) Central
2) Chesmont
3) Suburban
4) East Penn (ACCC and Emmaus)
5) Catholic League
6) PIONEER
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Agreed IAC has the strongest overall teams the past 15 yrs especially Malvern and Haverford, but public schools appear to have produced the better players overall.
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Radnor could beat EA or Haverford this past season (Not saying it would happen every time, just saying that they definitely couldve put up a fight against either team). Malvern is in a league of its own and I was shocked that Haverford beat them even once. The "Big Boys" arent limited to only IAC teams. Schools like Stoga Radnor and Garnett could compete in the IAC.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Radnor could beat EA or Haverford this past season (Not saying it would happen every time, just saying that they definitely couldve put up a fight against either team). Malvern is in a league of its own and I was shocked that Haverford beat them even once. The "Big Boys" arent limited to only IAC teams. Schools like Stoga Radnor and Garnett could compete in the IAC.

I agree with this....the Central is very strong. Kennett this year could have competed in the Inter Ac as well (sans Malvern). Did anybody hear the rumor that Malvern is looking to leave the Inter Ac in favor of a more "national/regional" schedule?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Radnor could beat EA or Haverford this past season (Not saying it would happen every time, just saying that they definitely couldve put up a fight against either team). Malvern is in a league of its own and I was shocked that Haverford beat them even once. The "Big Boys" arent limited to only IAC teams. Schools like Stoga Radnor and Garnett could compete in the IAC.

I agree with this....the Central is very strong. Kennett this year could have competed in the Inter Ac as well (sans Malvern). Did anybody hear the rumor that Malvern is looking to leave the Inter Ac in favor of a more "national/regional" schedule?
No need to leave the Inter Ac as they can play as many big time teams as they want and still fulfill Inter Ac schedule. The great thing about lax is teams are always traveling to this area so you can play a national schedule without going out of town.
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Malvern is becoming a "sports" school particularly in football and lacrosse. Wrestling and baseball could compete with anyone in the nation. This is not a shot at Malvern as they have some great coaches. Strange that they are taking this path. It used to be a strong academic school.
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Malvern is becoming a "sports" school particularly in football and lacrosse. Wrestling and baseball could compete with anyone in the nation. This is not a shot at Malvern as they have some great coaches. Strange that they are taking this path. It used to be a strong academic school.

I agree, from the outside it does appear that the focus is on athletics. When kids hold back for a year for athletics, which is commonplace at private schools, financially it benefits private schools as they get an extra year of tuition that they would have otherwise not received. I've been to Malvern over the years for my kids basketball games and they have a Hall of Fame wall outside the gym and the squash courts and pool as well, all of which is interesting and tells you something about the importance of sports there. Public schools have Hall of Fames as well I suppose, though. Having said that, their system works, whether or not its the right fit is for you to decide. Personally, not my cup of tea, but that's just me.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Radnor could beat EA or Haverford this past season (Not saying it would happen every time, just saying that they definitely couldve put up a fight against either team). Malvern is in a league of its own and I was shocked that Haverford beat them even once. The "Big Boys" arent limited to only IAC teams. Schools like Stoga Radnor and Garnett could compete in the IAC.

I agree with this....the Central is very strong. Kennett this year could have competed in the Inter Ac as well (sans Malvern). Did anybody hear the rumor that Malvern is looking to leave the Inter Ac in favor of a more "national/regional" schedule?

MP should come back to earth a bit next year. When 5/6 offensive guys that are going D1 leave and the pipeline is solid but nothing like what they are losing on both sides of the filed.
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The concept that a school can only be good at either academics or sports (not both) is just notIntelligent. Success on the field has nothing to do with a lack of success in the classroom. "Used to be a strong academic school" is a statement made by someone who has no idea what they are talking about.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
The concept that a school can only be good at either academics or sports (not both) is just notIntelligent. Success on the field has nothing to do with a lack of success in the classroom. "Used to be a strong academic school" is a statement made by someone who has no idea what they are talking about.


Exactly. A lot of private school haters in the forum making up stuff, too. Someone quoted Malvern tuition at $68k — you can Google their web site and in 10 seconds you’ll have a factual answer ($36.4K in the upper school). Also factual, Malvern’s web site lists college acceptances over the past few years. Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Brown, Penn, Stanford, MIT, Hopkins, Cornell, Dartmouth, Northwestern, Un of Chicago, Duke, NYU, Carnegie Mellon, UC Berkeley, UCLA, etc. Not bad considering they “used to be a strong academic school.” Geez.
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Who is Team PA 2027? They appear to be holding their own at Naptown but I’ve never heard of them?
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All star team from several clubs
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All star team from several clubs
Team PA and Nationals were recruiting many of the same players for Naptown, interesting they ended up facing each other in semis.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
All star team from several clubs
Team PA and Nationals were recruiting many of the same players for Naptown, interesting they ended up facing each other in semis.
No offense, but not really that interesting...we all know we have a ton of talent in the area and these clubs split them up for Naptown.
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Can you please stop the negativity in this area? Congrats to Team PA on a great showing!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The concept that a school can only be good at either academics or sports (not both) is just notIntelligent. Success on the field has nothing to do with a lack of success in the classroom. "Used to be a strong academic school" is a statement made by someone who has no idea what they are talking about.


Exactly. A lot of private school haters in the forum making up stuff, too. Someone quoted Malvern tuition at $68k — you can Google their web site and in 10 seconds you’ll have a factual answer ($36.4K in the upper school). Also factual, Malvern’s web site lists college acceptances over the past few years. Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Brown, Penn, Stanford, MIT, Hopkins, Cornell, Dartmouth, Northwestern, Un of Chicago, Duke, NYU, Carnegie Mellon, UC Berkeley, UCLA, etc. Not bad considering they “used to be a strong academic school.” Geez.

Definitely some bright students at Malvern who are on scholarship. Those students keep the bar high. Many of the those being accepted into college are either the premiere student or on sports scholarship. The reason I say this is that I had a family member go to Malvern after being at another school. Not a particularly great student....could not be in the honors classes at his old school. In Malvern, almost all straight A's. His words not mine.....Malvern is incredibly easy. Before you say I am a "hater"....know that I support Malvern through donations. I think they produce wonderful men who value service and community which is more important to me then academics. That being said, this is not the Malvern or 20 years ago academically, not even close.
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Just saw on Philly Lacrosse Tigers made the finals in the Word Series. Congrats to them! Nice to see a PA team representing. Good luck to all the teams heading to NLF Championships in two weeks! Let’s bring some hardware back to PA!
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Just saw on Philly Lacrosse Tigers made the finals in the Word Series. Congrats to them! Nice to see a PA team representing. Good luck to all the teams heading to NLF Championships in two weeks! Let’s bring some hardware back to PA!

Excellent!
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HHH busted for cheating at Naptown, what an embarrassment
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HHH busted for cheating at Naptown, what an embarrassment

fake news
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Bold claim with no additional details. What’s the story?
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Must not be good at cheating, they didn't win a game
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Get it is tryout season but the fake news is desperate. Stay classy. - Ron B
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Get it is tryout season but the fake news is desperate. Stay classy. - Ron B

haha
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Seemed like a ridiculous claim to begin with…be better.
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Bold claim with no additional details. What’s the story?

Not a claim, just facts. They were disqualified for using 22s at Naptown and had to forfeit their wins.
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Bro, you are the worst gossiper I have seen. Details…details. Were does one learn “facts” like the above? Considering it’s a full 10 days after the conclusion of the event and literally everybody had already forgotten and moved on from Naptown â€21, why are you breaking this news now (other than tryout season)?

Your whole approach is sus. No cap.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bro, you are the worst gossiper I have seen. Details…details. Were does one learn “facts” like the above? Considering it’s a full 10 days after the conclusion of the event and literally everybody had already forgotten and moved on from Naptown â€21, why are you breaking this news now (other than tryout season)?

Your whole approach is sus. No cap.

Did you let your 12 year old finish this message?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bro, you are the worst gossiper I have seen. Details…details. Were does one learn “facts” like the above? Considering it’s a full 10 days after the conclusion of the event and literally everybody had already forgotten and moved on from Naptown â€21, why are you breaking this news now (other than tryout season)?

Your whole approach is sus. No cap.

Doesn’t sound like you’ve moved on. What details do you want? They forfeited their wins as you can see from tourney machine and Predators didn’t play them because they were using 22s. It’s not a secret. Ask anyone that was at the tournament or on the team. If you prefer Gossip… I could say they got destroyed by bad Rock and 3DUpstate teams, but they won those games and had to forfeit the wins for cheating. Its not breaking news just an embarrassment that you’d rather ignore.
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I was at Naptown. The information about HHH is correct. They They did indeed use 22’s in their 23 games.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I was at Naptown. The information about HHH is correct. They They did indeed use 22’s in their 23 games.

If that is the case, I'm sure they had good reason to do so. They certainly don't need to chase trophies.
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What could possibly be a good reason to cheat???
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Players at this age care about recruiting, not winning. Maybe a coach was there and they wanted to get a kid in front of him.
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You must be kidding right? You don’t need to follow the tournament rules because your trying to get a kid in front of a college coach? I’m sure that college coach will make an offer to a kid that is not playing at the correct grade level. Priceless!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I was at Naptown. The information about HHH is correct. They They did indeed use 22’s in their 23 games.

If that is the case, I'm sure they had good reason to do so. They certainly don't need to chase trophies.

Premeditated cheating the organization and parents should be ashamed. If you need people bring 24’s not 22’s.
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Players at this age care about recruiting, not winning. Maybe a coach was there and they wanted to get a kid in front of him.


But the tournament still kicked out HHH anyway. Players/coaches need to follow the rules. The player needs to have awareness and be considerate of more than just himself.
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Big 4/HHH is one of the founding members of NLF. Do they get to cheat in the federation because they are a member? They should be embarrassed and so should the federation. It’s not good when you believe you are above the rules.
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BM and HHH have always seemed legit good people. No - my sons don't play for them but they never seemed dirty or chip chasers (Team 91). They DO send a lot of their players to top schools so maybe there was a recruiting angle. Or maybe the 22's playing weren't that impactful. Just guessing here but I for one will give HHH the benefit of the doubt until I hear the whole story.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Players at this age care about recruiting, not winning. Maybe a coach was there and they wanted to get a kid in front of him.


But the tournament still kicked out HHH anyway. Players/coaches need to follow the rules. The player needs to have awareness and be considerate of more than just himself.

Not that you have an ulterior motive trying to steal kids from this club. Rookie move from a failed club (many times over?) Be better.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
BM and HHH have always seemed legit good people. No - my sons don't play for them but they never seemed dirty or chip chasers (Team 91). They DO send a lot of their players to top schools so maybe there was a recruiting angle. Or maybe the 22's playing weren't that impactful. Just guessing here but I for one will give HHH the benefit of the doubt until I hear the whole story.


A recruiting angle? 22 players not that impactful? You are justifying cheating because they send a lot of players to good colleges? Cheating is dirty.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
BM and HHH have always seemed legit good people. No - my sons don't play for them but they never seemed dirty or chip chasers (Team 91). They DO send a lot of their players to top schools so maybe there was a recruiting angle. Or maybe the 22's playing weren't that impactful. Just guessing here but I for one will give HHH the benefit of the doubt until I hear the whole story.

My kids team played against them. So our team followed the rules, HHH did not! Justifying what they did or excusing it is wrong. As parents, we pay a lot of money for our kids to play in tournaments like Naptown. I guess this BM is the coach for HHH. I guess the rules don’t apply to him. He is doing a real disservice to his legit 23 players and showing complete disregard for the legit 23 opponents. Go back to Philly. I guess they let you cheat there
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
BM and HHH have always seemed legit good people. No - my sons don't play for them but they never seemed dirty or chip chasers (Team 91). They DO send a lot of their players to top schools so maybe there was a recruiting angle. Or maybe the 22's playing weren't that impactful. Just guessing here but I for one will give HHH the benefit of the doubt until I hear the whole story.


Sure seems like your sons mays play for HHH. Seems like you are trying to clean up this mess for BM. Good people don’t cheat. He stepped out of NLF where he gets to control the show, cheats, and now has to clean it up.
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Hand to God - not a HHH parent. Just would be really shocked if that spin was true. Never got that vibe from them.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hand to God - not a HHH parent. Just would be really shocked if that spin was true. Never got that vibe from them.


No spin. They cheated. Why such a strong defense? Would you be ok if your own sons team lost to them and then discovered they cheated?
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Sad the disreputable group is back to spreading false rumors again at tryout season. just stop,
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What...... maybe they had a good reason to do so!?!?!? You people are unreal.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sad the disreputable group is back to spreading false rumors again at tryout season. just stop,

This is not a rumor. Ask the parents who played against them at Naptown. Stop telling the truth? What disreputable group are you talking about?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sad the disreputable group is back to spreading false rumors again at tryout season. just stop,

This is not a rumor. Ask the parents who played against them at Naptown. Stop telling the truth? What disreputable group are you talking about?
What is the difference between a junior who is reclassing to stay as a '23 and a '22 who was a junior last year and going into senior year?
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The defense is just based on my experience with them. They never came across as a "win at any cost" program. They stick with kids that aren't the best and don't recruit. They aren't Rising Sons and TD for example.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
The defense is just based on my experience with them. They never came across as a "win at any cost" program. They stick with kids that aren't the best and don't recruit. They aren't Rising Sons and TD for example.

I have heard the opposite. They stick with kids until the next best things come along. Not very loyal, many of the philly kids that once played for them now play for Mesa, Duke’s, Rising Sons, team 11, NXT because they were replaced by the next best thing. Mesa much more loyal to the kids that played for them for many years.
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They most certainly do recruit as they didnt used to have middle school teams.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The defense is just based on my experience with them. They never came across as a "win at any cost" program. They stick with kids that aren't the best and don't recruit. They aren't Rising Sons and TD for example.

I have heard the opposite. They stick with kids until the next best things come along. Not very loyal, many of the philly kids that once played for them now play for Mesa, Duke’s, Rising Sons, team 11, NXT because they were replaced by the next best thing. Mesa much more loyal to the kids that played for them for many years.
Mesa is loyal if the kid is a beast or wealthy enough to attend Haverford School. My older son had a good Mesa experience but unfortunately many of his friends were pushed aside as they got older.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sad the disreputable group is back to spreading false rumors again at tryout season. just stop,

This is not a rumor. Ask the parents who played against them at Naptown. Stop telling the truth? What disreputable group are you talking about?
What is the difference between a junior who is reclassing to stay as a '23 and a '22 who was a junior last year and going into senior year?

Not much really. Both must play 2022 this summer or it’s cheating. Just follow the rules, it’s not that hard.

Next fall if you’re actually a 2023 and paid your private school tuition, go for it. It’s done all the time.
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National ASG this weekend. Just looked at Philly roster. 50 percent of 22 and 23 team made up of HHH players. Guess who picks that team and coaches the team? You guessed it, BM and HHH. They throw in a few extra players from other programs to make it look legit.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sad the disreputable group is back to spreading false rumors again at tryout season. just stop,

This is not a rumor. Ask the parents who played against them at Naptown. Stop telling the truth? What disreputable group are you talking about?
What is the difference between a junior who is reclassing to stay as a '23 and a '22 who was a junior last year and going into senior year?

Someone repeating their junior year is still considered a '22 for this season. Your graduation year for teams is based on your grade this year, not next year.

Also, why would someone reclass their junior year? Bad grades?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Someone repeating their junior year is still considered a '22 for this season. Your graduation year for teams is based on your grade this year, not next year.

Also, why would someone reclass their junior year? Bad grades?
If you have already informed your school you are a junior in the fall you are a '23 and can play as such. Why does anyone reclass? It doesn't matter if you are a junior or a kindergartner, you are trying to get an advantage. Plenty of kids are repeating 11th grade this year. I don't like it, but it's lax life.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Someone repeating their junior year is still considered a '22 for this season. Your graduation year for teams is based on your grade this year, not next year.

Also, why would someone reclass their junior year? Bad grades?
If you have already informed your school you are a junior in the fall you are a '23 and can play as such. Why does anyone reclass? It doesn't matter if you are a junior or a kindergartner, you are trying to get an advantage. Plenty of kids are repeating 11th grade this year. I don't like it, but it's lax life.

That is not true if you completed your Jr year (22) you are a 22 until the fall. Then if you are repeating you become a 23 in the fall. Anything else is cheating, otherwise you can say you are whatever year you want. You have to have a transcript that shows your class year in tournaments that check. Unfortunately most don’t so people cheat like HHH.
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Looks like both 22 and 23 PA teams ended up in the losers bracket. That is what happens when one program fills up the bulk of the team. Try harder next time BM and HHH and stop hand picking your own kids for the majority of spots!!
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Will there be any Pa teams at u 13 WSYL next year?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The defense is just based on my experience with them. They never came across as a "win at any cost" program. They stick with kids that aren't the best and don't recruit. They aren't Rising Sons and TD for example.

I have heard the opposite. They stick with kids until the next best things come along. Not very loyal, many of the philly kids that once played for them now play for Mesa, Duke’s, Rising Sons, team 11, NXT because they were replaced by the next best thing. Mesa much more loyal to the kids that played for them for many years.

Now that is funny! Mesa and MP will take anybody's money but there is no loyalty in that man. #staypublic - after he stunk as much $$$ as he could from the blue bloods until he got canned. Now he only cares about younger teams (his kids) and Radnor kids.
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Tryouts appear to be getting earlier and earlier. Any team looking good in the early tryouts? Any teams struggling?

How 'bout the newest offering, True Philly? Anybody planning on checking them out?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Tryouts appear to be getting earlier and earlier. Any team looking good in the early tryouts? Any teams struggling?

How 'bout the newest offering, True Philly? Anybody planning on checking them out?
Apparently NXT had a ton of kids for 25,26 and 27 team this week. I wasn't there personally but heard many different helmets. Could be just because it was earlier than many others, but heard 60-70 kids for some ages. I can't imagine True Philly will get many kids for year 1.
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Tryouts? We talking about tryouts? NLF Nationals is where the big boys are playing this weekend. Our favorite club from PA is stinking it up though, so yes, on to tryout talk.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Tryouts? We talking about tryouts? NLF Nationals is where the big boys are playing this weekend. Our favorite club from PA is stinking it up though, so yes, on to tryout talk.
Tigers looking good, just saying
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Tigers are looking good. Would love to know the backstory there. How does a team like that form. No club around it. Are they going to operate all the way through HS for those boys?
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Tigers are looking good. Would love to know the backstory there. How does a team like that form. No club around it. Are they going to operate all the way through HS for those boys?

Welcome to the party
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Tigers is a single grade team owned by a rich dad who made a team for his kid. Rumor has it his kid is reclassing down to 2027 to be able to compete again with FO. Who knows what will happen to the rest of the team and the big guy who is the true backbone and talent of the team.
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Funny ever time you post this they just did well at another national tournament again.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Tigers is a single grade team owned by a rich dad who made a team for his kid. Rumor has it his kid is reclassing down to 2027 to be able to compete again with FO. Who knows what will happen to the rest of the team and the big guy who is the true backbone and talent of the team.

Rising Sons minus the rich part.....and we see how that ended up.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Tryouts appear to be getting earlier and earlier. Any team looking good in the early tryouts? Any teams struggling?

How 'bout the newest offering, True Philly? Anybody planning on checking them out?
Apparently NXT had a ton of kids for 25,26 and 27 team this week. I wasn't there personally but heard many different helmets. Could be just because it was earlier than many others, but heard 60-70 kids for some ages. I can't imagine True Philly will get many kids for year 1.

were below average lacrosse goes to thrive.
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Who is the best 2027 around philly that has a chance to qualify for WSYL? Mesa and anyone else close?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who is the best 2027 around philly that has a chance to qualify for WSYL? Mesa and anyone else close?
Mesa plays too many B level tournaments to know if they are any good. They might be the best, but PA RR and Team 10 are much more proven.
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I heard a lot of RR helmets were at Team Ten tryouts.. Are they making an all star team?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard a lot of RR helmets were at Team Ten tryouts.. Are they making an all star team?
My son was one of those RR helmets at TT. Doubtful we make a move there or anywhere unless a bunch of others do, but would be nice to have some coaching stability.
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Hi Mark
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I heard a lot of RR helmets were at Team Ten tryouts.. Are they making an all star team?

Only team worse than the RR is MP team so doubt TT wants any sloppy seconds from B teams.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard a lot of RR helmets were at Team Ten tryouts.. Are they making an all star team?

Only team worse than the RR is MP team so doubt TT wants any sloppy seconds from B teams.


Yep, that why TT pulled kids from Mesa in the spring league championship for the 2027s and still lost to RR.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard a lot of RR helmets were at Team Ten tryouts.. Are they making an all star team?

Only team worse than the RR is MP team so doubt TT wants any sloppy seconds from B teams.


Yep, that why TT pulled kids from Mesa in the spring league championship for the 2027s and still lost to RR.


Come on man.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard a lot of RR helmets were at Team Ten tryouts.. Are they making an all star team?

Only team worse than the RR is MP team so doubt TT wants any sloppy seconds from B teams.


Yep, that why TT pulled kids from Mesa in the spring league championship for the 2027s and still lost to RR.
There’s lots of different helmets at all tryouts. Parents and kids are checking things out. We should support each other in this area vs bashing like the MD and LI crews. #PhillyPride
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard a lot of RR helmets were at Team Ten tryouts.. Are they making an all star team?

Only team worse than the RR is MP team so doubt TT wants any sloppy seconds from B teams.


Yep, that why TT pulled kids from Mesa in the spring league championship for the 2027s and still lost to RR.
There’s lots of different helmets at all tryouts. Parents and kids are checking things out. We should support each other in this area vs bashing like the MD and LI crews. #PhillyPride

This guy gets it ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The concept that a school can only be good at either academics or sports (not both) is just notIntelligent. Success on the field has nothing to do with a lack of success in the classroom. "Used to be a strong academic school" is a statement made by someone who has no idea what they are talking about.


Exactly. A lot of private school haters in the forum making up stuff, too. Someone quoted Malvern tuition at $68k — you can Google their web site and in 10 seconds you’ll have a factual answer ($36.4K in the upper school). Also factual, Malvern’s web site lists college acceptances over the past few years. Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Brown, Penn, Stanford, MIT, Hopkins, Cornell, Dartmouth, Northwestern, Un of Chicago, Duke, NYU, Carnegie Mellon, UC Berkeley, UCLA, etc. Not bad considering they “used to be a strong academic school.” Geez.

Definitely some bright students at Malvern who are on scholarship. Those students keep the bar high. Many of the those being accepted into college are either the premiere student or on sports scholarship. The reason I say this is that I had a family member go to Malvern after being at another school. Not a particularly great student....could not be in the honors classes at his old school. In Malvern, almost all straight A's. His words not mine.....Malvern is incredibly easy. Before you say I am a "hater"....know that I support Malvern through donations. I think they produce wonderful men who value service and community which is more important to me then academics. That being said, this is not the Malvern or 20 years ago academically, not even close.


Way to rep Malvern & HS with a great week of wins.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard a lot of RR helmets were at Team Ten tryouts.. Are they making an all star team?

Only team worse than the RR is MP team so doubt TT wants any sloppy seconds from B teams.


Yep, that why TT pulled kids from Mesa in the spring league championship for the 2027s and still lost to RR.
There’s lots of different helmets at all tryouts. Parents and kids are checking things out. We should support each other in this area vs bashing like the MD and LI crews. #PhillyPride

This guy gets it ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

PA lacrosse on the map in final rankings out of USCL

2022 #5 Mesa, Freedom #16

2023 na

2024 #18 BL

2025 #7 HHH

2026 #3 Tigers XXVI

2027 #7 Team PA
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
PA lacrosse on the map in final rankings out of USCL

2022 #5 Mesa, Freedom #16

2023 na

2024 #18 BL

2025 #7 HHH

2026 #3 Tigers XXVI

2027 #7 Team PA

Congrats to all the local teams. Maybe I am just of out the loop, but who is the 2027 Team PA? Is that a new organization or a one off team?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
PA lacrosse on the map in final rankings out of USCL

2022 #5 Mesa, Freedom #16

2023 na

2024 #18 BL

2025 #7 HHH

2026 #3 Tigers XXVI

2027 #7 Team PA

Congrats to all the local teams. Maybe I am just of out the loop, but who is the 2027 Team PA? Is that a new organization or a one off team?

From what I understand, it's a hand picked all-star team that only plays tourneys together.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard a lot of RR helmets were at Team Ten tryouts.. Are they making an all star team?

Only team worse than the RR is MP team so doubt TT wants any sloppy seconds from B teams.

Looks like you have no clue what your talking about as it appears RR kids came to TT and took a lot of positions away. Even the RR coaches kid left, what happened with RR?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
PA lacrosse on the map in final rankings out of USCL

2022 #5 Mesa, Freedom #16

2023 na

2024 #18 BL

2025 #7 HHH

2026 #3 Tigers XXVI

2027 #7 Team PA

Congrats to all the local teams. Maybe I am just of out the loop, but who is the 2027 Team PA? Is that a new organization or a one off team?
Essentially Tigers XXVII without playing as many tourneys and much less obnoxious coaching and parents.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
PA lacrosse on the map in final rankings out of USCL

2022 #5 Mesa, Freedom #16

2023 na

2024 #18 BL

2025 #7 HHH

2026 #3 Tigers XXVI

2027 #7 Team PA

Congrats to all the local teams. Maybe I am just of out the loop, but who is the 2027 Team PA? Is that a new organization or a one off team?
Essentially Tigers XXVII without playing as many tourneys and much less obnoxious coaching and parents.
lol, so not as many 55 yr old dads, driving their Porsches and talking about the slums they have to drive through to get from Lower Merion to the shore? got it
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
PA lacrosse on the map in final rankings out of USCL

2022 #5 Mesa, Freedom #16

2023 na

2024 #18 BL

2025 #7 HHH

2026 #3 Tigers XXVI

2027 #7 Team PA

Congrats to all the local teams. Maybe I am just of out the loop, but who is the 2027 Team PA? Is that a new organization or a one off team?
Essentially Tigers XXVII without playing as many tourneys and much less obnoxious coaching and parents.
lol, so not as many 55 yr old dads, driving their Porsches and talking about the slums they have to drive through to get from Lower Merion to the shore? got it

Must be an out of state troll as Philly lacrosse celebrates its success.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
PA lacrosse on the map in final rankings out of USCL

2022 #5 Mesa, Freedom #16

2023 na

2024 #18 BL

2025 #7 HHH

2026 #3 Tigers XXVI

2027 #7 Team PA

Congrats to all the local teams. Maybe I am just of out the loop, but who is the 2027 Team PA? Is that a new organization or a one off team?
Essentially Tigers XXVII without playing as many tourneys and much less obnoxious coaching and parents.
lol, so not as many 55 yr old dads, driving their Porsches and talking about the slums they have to drive through to get from Lower Merion to the shore? got it


Sounds like you need a hug, therapy and a nap
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sounds like you need a hug, therapy and a nap
I can't argue with that. All three would be nice, but no one respects these one off of age group teams. Philly has some great lax CLUBS. We don't need single age pseudo all-star teams to rep the PHL.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sounds like you need a hug, therapy and a nap
I can't argue with that. All three would be nice, but no one respects these one off of age group teams. Philly has some great lax CLUBS. We don't need single age pseudo all-star teams to rep the PHL.
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous

True, short term it puts our allstar team against other teams but then what? It’s not building on anything.
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tigers arent a "build and develop" team they are a swap for the next best type team. They have their place and certainly win games, but the focus is winning not development. Thats why most of the time you get the dad coaches and a few colllege kids. the big gun coaches show up here and there



Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]

Sounds like you need a hug, therapy and a nap
I can't argue with that. All three would be nice, but no one respects these one off of age group teams. Philly has some great lax CLUBS. We don't need single age pseudo all-star teams to rep the PHL.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous

True, short term it puts our allstar team against other teams but then what? It’s not building on anything.
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Agreed....trophy chasing teams (GRADES 5-8) rarely develop the talent of the team. Even the top players on those trophy chasing teams tend to regress because they are asked to shoulder the load constantly and rely on athleticism that gets equaled when they get to HS.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
tigers arent a "build and develop" team they are a swap for the next best type team. They have their place and certainly win games, but the focus is winning not development. Thats why most of the time you get the dad coaches and a few colllege kids. the big gun coaches show up here and there



Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]

Sounds like you need a hug, therapy and a nap
I can't argue with that. All three would be nice, but no one respects these one off of age group teams. Philly has some great lax CLUBS. We don't need single age pseudo all-star teams to rep the PHL.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous

True, short term it puts our allstar team against other teams but then what? It’s not building on anything.

stop the cap
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
tigers arent a "build and develop" team they are a swap for the next best type team. They have their place and certainly win games, but the focus is winning not development. Thats why most of the time you get the dad coaches and a few colllege kids. the big gun coaches show up here and there



[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]

Sounds like you need a hug, therapy and a nap
I can't argue with that. All three would be nice, but no one respects these one off of age group teams. Philly has some great lax CLUBS. We don't need single age pseudo all-star teams to rep the PHL.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

True, short term it puts our allstar team against other teams but then what? It’s not building on anything.
[/quote
stop the cap

this made me laugh! Nice work.
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True, short term it puts our allstar team against other teams then what? It’s not building on anything.[/quote][/quote]

It shows that Pa can compete with the elite, sorry your kid wasn’t on the team but it does build on something.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
True, short term it puts our allstar team against other teams then what? It’s not building on anything.
[/quote]

It shows that Pa can compete with the elite, sorry your kid wasn’t on the team but it does build on something.[/quote]
Not sure I agree. We need a true all-star club with multiple age groups for Philly, not random one off age group teams. We have the talent here, but too many clubs that dilute the talent pool. We need a Philly all-stars on top of all the great local clubs.
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Dukes did it first. Assembled all star teams of Philly players so they could compete against MD and NY. That was 20 some years ago and then they morphed into 37 different "teams" and watered down their organization with little to no development. Every couple years a dad gets excited and tries to do a one off team again to win at the youth level for some reason instead of developing his kid for the next level. Youth sports is crazy. Have your boy play with a club that focuses on developing players and not just winning youth tourneys and he'll be better off in the long run.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dukes did it first. Assembled all star teams of Philly players so they could compete against MD and NY. That was 20 some years ago and then they morphed into 37 different "teams" and watered down their organization with little to no development. Every couple years a dad gets excited and tries to do a one off team again to win at the youth level for some reason instead of developing his kid for the next level. Youth sports is crazy. Have your boy play with a club that focuses on developing players and not just winning youth tourneys and he'll be better off in the long run.

Who would that be? Honestly asking as the clubs have no loyalty to the kids. Let’s start with Delco and Chester County….
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agreed....trophy chasing teams (GRADES 5-8) rarely develop the talent of the team. Even the top players on those trophy chasing teams tend to regress because they are asked to shoulder the load constantly and rely on athleticism that gets equaled when they get to HS.

You sound amazing what is your team ranked?
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Teams take the best players that show up to tryouts, thats why they hold them each year. RR, Freedom and NXT all seem to have two teams at most age groups and I would think there is movement each year between their A & B teams for kids who improved and those that didnt keep up. One off teams have their place, however they are focused on winning and those that don't start probasee limited time in games.
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You sound amazing what is your team ranked?

Hahahhahaha... this guy. They are 12, I'm less concerned about the team ranking and my child improving and learning the game. Are your kids trophies in your room or his?
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Is it fair to say the Philly market has enough talent to only support two elite programs per grad year? I’m not real familiar with the 23 and 24 groups. 25’ has Triple H and Team Ten. 26’ is a bit different because of Tigers but Freedom and NXT are in the mix. RR was in the conversation at 26’ but seems to be falling apart as a whole in Phila. Now that the 27 RR team has completely fallen apart and it’s players spread out to a number of different clubs will it make other clubs that much better? Basically is the Philly area too watered down with too many clubs?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it fair to say the Philly market has enough talent to only support two elite programs per grad year? I’m not real familiar with the 23 and 24 groups. 25’ has Triple H and Team Ten. 26’ is a bit different because of Tigers but Freedom and NXT are in the mix. RR was in the conversation at 26’ but seems to be falling apart as a whole in Phila. Now that the 27 RR team has completely fallen apart and it’s players spread out to a number of different clubs will it make other clubs that much better? Basically is the Philly area too watered down with too many clubs?

And what is up with 28’s? Why is there no good 28 teams
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Freedom 28 is very good.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it fair to say the Philly market has enough talent to only support two elite programs per grad year? I’m not real familiar with the 23 and 24 groups. 25’ has Triple H and Team Ten. 26’ is a bit different because of Tigers but Freedom and NXT are in the mix. RR was in the conversation at 26’ but seems to be falling apart as a whole in Phila. Now that the 27 RR team has completely fallen apart and it’s players spread out to a number of different clubs will it make other clubs that much better? Basically is the Philly area too watered down with too many clubs?


There are so many clubs around Philly that it could be watered down. 2027 Team Ten appears to have scooped up most of the 27 RR talent so they should be dominate in this area but will probably lose to most of the elite MD teams. The area has talent but maybe most players/parents/coaches avoid forming super teams (Hawks ect) as it is not beneficial to the development of each player. Not much benefit of being a 4th line middie or 5th long pole on a team if your not playing
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it fair to say the Philly market has enough talent to only support two elite programs per grad year? I’m not real familiar with the 23 and 24 groups. 25’ has Triple H and Team Ten. 26’ is a bit different because of Tigers but Freedom and NXT are in the mix. RR was in the conversation at 26’ but seems to be falling apart as a whole in Phila. Now that the 27 RR team has completely fallen apart and it’s players spread out to a number of different clubs will it make other clubs that much better? Basically is the Philly area too watered down with too many clubs?
I think at most ages, the top players consolidate enough that it is not an issue that we have so many clubs in this area. The '26s like you said are the one obvious age where talent is very spread out. After Tigers, there are a handful of teams that are very equal and all beat each other: NXT, RR, Freedom, Mesa. Pretty much a complete toss up when those clubs play each other. Outside of the Top 10 or so in the country, those teams can hang with anyone but maybe if those 4 combined into 2 teams, they would compete with the 5-10 teams nationally.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it fair to say the Philly market has enough talent to only support two elite programs per grad year? I’m not real familiar with the 23 and 24 groups. 25’ has Triple H and Team Ten. 26’ is a bit different because of Tigers but Freedom and NXT are in the mix. RR was in the conversation at 26’ but seems to be falling apart as a whole in Phila. Now that the 27 RR team has completely fallen apart and it’s players spread out to a number of different clubs will it make other clubs that much better? Basically is the Philly area too watered down with too many clubs?


There are so many clubs around Philly that it could be watered down. 2027 Team Ten appears to have scooped up most of the 27 RR talent so they should be dominate in this area but will probably lose to most of the elite MD teams. The area has talent but maybe most players/parents/coaches avoid forming super teams (Hawks ect) as it is not beneficial to the development of each player. Not much benefit of being a 4th line middie or 5th long pole on a team if your not playing

Do you really think there’s a concerted effort to not form “super teams” in Phila? What are they doing differently in MD and LI that those teams are generally stronger and placing higher in big tournaments? I doubt they have better athletes.
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Do you really think there’s a concerted effort to not form “super teams” in Phila? What are they doing differently in MD and LI that those teams are generally stronger and placing higher in big tournaments? I doubt they have better athletes.
They don't have better athletes but they do have better lacrosse players overall. Lax is a bigger focus in MD and LI even for their multi sport athletes. My son only plays lax as he doesn't enjoy any other sports, but in the fall 90% of his teammates focus on football and only play lax on Sundays. In the winter, 80% are playing hoops and a couple others playing hockey and don't even pick up their lax sticks. Philly just isn't at the same level of lax love and focus as MD and LI.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it fair to say the Philly market has enough talent to only support two elite programs per grad year? I’m not real familiar with the 23 and 24 groups. 25’ has Triple H and Team Ten. 26’ is a bit different because of Tigers but Freedom and NXT are in the mix. RR was in the conversation at 26’ but seems to be falling apart as a whole in Phila. Now that the 27 RR team has completely fallen apart and it’s players spread out to a number of different clubs will it make other clubs that much better? Basically is the Philly area too watered down with too many clubs?


There are so many clubs around Philly that it could be watered down. 2027 Team Ten appears to have scooped up most of the 27 RR talent so they should be dominate in this area but will probably lose to most of the elite MD teams. The area has talent but maybe most players/parents/coaches avoid forming super teams (Hawks ect) as it is not beneficial to the development of each player. Not much benefit of being a 4th line middie or 5th long pole on a team if your not playing

Do you really think there’s a concerted effort to not form “super teams” in Phila? What are they doing differently in MD and LI that those teams are generally stronger and placing higher in big tournaments? I doubt they have better athletes.

Ask the Tigers as they seem to be the only team to actually win and beat MD and LI.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it fair to say the Philly market has enough talent to only support two elite programs per grad year? I’m not real familiar with the 23 and 24 groups. 25’ has Triple H and Team Ten. 26’ is a bit different because of Tigers but Freedom and NXT are in the mix. RR was in the conversation at 26’ but seems to be falling apart as a whole in Phila. Now that the 27 RR team has completely fallen apart and it’s players spread out to a number of different clubs will it make other clubs that much better? Basically is the Philly area too watered down with too many clubs?

RR 26 kept their whole team together plus added some. Club is a wreck, but that team remains strong and is probably third best in Philly after Tigers and NXT
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it fair to say the Philly market has enough talent to only support two elite programs per grad year? I’m not real familiar with the 23 and 24 groups. 25’ has Triple H and Team Ten. 26’ is a bit different because of Tigers but Freedom and NXT are in the mix. RR was in the conversation at 26’ but seems to be falling apart as a whole in Phila. Now that the 27 RR team has completely fallen apart and it’s players spread out to a number of different clubs will it make other clubs that much better? Basically is the Philly area too watered down with too many clubs?


There are so many clubs around Philly that it could be watered down. 2027 Team Ten appears to have scooped up most of the 27 RR talent so they should be dominate in this area but will probably lose to most of the elite MD teams. The area has talent but maybe most players/parents/coaches avoid forming super teams (Hawks ect) as it is not beneficial to the development of each player. Not much benefit of being a 4th line middie or 5th long pole on a team if your not playing

Come on pal stop equating development and losing. Teams that have developed players win. Teams that lose are not developed.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it fair to say the Philly market has enough talent to only support two elite programs per grad year? I’m not real familiar with the 23 and 24 groups. 25’ has Triple H and Team Ten. 26’ is a bit different because of Tigers but Freedom and NXT are in the mix. RR was in the conversation at 26’ but seems to be falling apart as a whole in Phila. Now that the 27 RR team has completely fallen apart and it’s players spread out to a number of different clubs will it make other clubs that much better? Basically is the Philly area too watered down with too many clubs?


There are so many clubs around Philly that it could be watered down. 2027 Team Ten appears to have scooped up most of the 27 RR talent so they should be dominate in this area but will probably lose to most of the elite MD teams. The area has talent but maybe most players/parents/coaches avoid forming super teams (Hawks ect) as it is not beneficial to the development of each player. Not much benefit of being a 4th line middie or 5th long pole on a team if your not playing

Come on pal stop equating development and losing. Teams that have developed players win. Teams that lose are not developed.
Philly isn't as good as MD and LI in lax. There is no shame in it, just a simple fact. LI doesn't nothing but play lax, it's what kids are born to play there. They stink at football, basketball, soccer and any other sport played by many kids. If we got all of football and hoops stars playing lax at a young age it would be different and progress has been made but it is still a far cry from MD an LI overall.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is it fair to say the Philly market has enough talent to only support two elite programs per grad year? I’m not real familiar with the 23 and 24 groups. 25’ has Triple H and Team Ten. 26’ is a bit different because of Tigers but Freedom and NXT are in the mix. RR was in the conversation at 26’ but seems to be falling apart as a whole in Phila. Now that the 27 RR team has completely fallen apart and it’s players spread out to a number of different clubs will it make other clubs that much better? Basically is the Philly area too watered down with too many clubs?


There are so many clubs around Philly that it could be watered down. 2027 Team Ten appears to have scooped up most of the 27 RR talent so they should be dominate in this area but will probably lose to most of the elite MD teams. The area has talent but maybe most players/parents/coaches avoid forming super teams (Hawks ect) as it is not beneficial to the development of each player. Not much benefit of being a 4th line middie or 5th long pole on a team if your not playing

Come on pal stop equating development and losing. Teams that have developed players win. Teams that lose are not developed.
Philly isn't as good as MD and LI in lax. There is no shame in it, just a simple fact. LI doesn't nothing but play lax, it's what kids are born to play there. They stink at football, basketball, soccer and any other sport played by many kids. If we got all of football and hoops stars playing lax at a young age it would be different and progress has been made but it is still a far cry from MD an LI overall.

So what it boils down to is this, to 90% of the clubs in Philly lacrosse is a “seasonal” sport. Football, hoops, hockey all take away from player development in our area. Also, I’ve heard rec/township lacrosse is a factor that holds clubs back in Philly. Would clubs benefit from starting practice in March rather than stepping aside to rec leagues and not starting practice until April or May in some cases?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what it boils down to is this, to 90% of the clubs in Philly lacrosse is a “seasonal” sport. Football, hoops, hockey all take away from player development in our area. Also, I’ve heard rec/township lacrosse is a factor that holds clubs back in Philly. Would clubs benefit from starting practice in March rather than stepping aside to rec leagues and not starting practice until April or May in some cases?
As a former college and pro lacrosse player, I sincerely hope PA doesn’t lose the rec leagues. The best thing about lax in our area is boys playing with their local friends every spring. Who cares if your club team goes 3-2 instead of 2-3 at NAL or NLF? My best memories of youth lax are at the club level and I hope my boys get to have the same.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what it boils down to is this, to 90% of the clubs in Philly lacrosse is a “seasonal” sport. Football, hoops, hockey all take away from player development in our area. Also, I’ve heard rec/township lacrosse is a factor that holds clubs back in Philly. Would clubs benefit from starting practice in March rather than stepping aside to rec leagues and not starting practice until April or May in some cases?
Who cares? It is great that kids around Philly play multiple sports. Lax scholarships are far and few between so let them play football and hoops where they can get money for college
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To each their own. Do what you or your kid wants. Embrace philly lax success when it comes. I played college lacrosse as did my two older girls and son are D 1. They played for the best local club teams and those clubs had the best coaches, most practices, and played against the best. Their coaches developed them and their teams and they won a lot. The team stayed together and it was the team success that drove recruiting. Don’t listen to marketing spin, the coaches with the track record and battle tested with wins and resume are the ones to get on and hold on to go the distance. Don’t fall for the bs, the best kids want to play and stay together.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what it boils down to is this, to 90% of the clubs in Philly lacrosse is a “seasonal” sport. Football, hoops, hockey all take away from player development in our area. Also, I’ve heard rec/township lacrosse is a factor that holds clubs back in Philly. Would clubs benefit from starting practice in March rather than stepping aside to rec leagues and not starting practice until April or May in some cases?
Who cares? It is great that kids around Philly play multiple sports. Lax scholarships are far and few between so let them play football and hoops where they can get money for college

yes
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Freedom 28 is very good.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Freedom 28 is very good.

For now, just remember Freedom, as a club, tried to trademark the term “daddy ball”, this team is definitely no different. Half of the roster is either from way out of the area or is playing up a year, be surprised if they hold it together much longer
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Aren’t you a ray of sunshine.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what it boils down to is this, to 90% of the clubs in Philly lacrosse is a “seasonal” sport. Football, hoops, hockey all take away from player development in our area. Also, I’ve heard rec/township lacrosse is a factor that holds clubs back in Philly. Would clubs benefit from starting practice in March rather than stepping aside to rec leagues and not starting practice until April or May in some cases?
As a former college and pro lacrosse player, I sincerely hope PA doesn’t lose the rec leagues. The best thing about lax in our area is boys playing with their local friends every spring. Who cares if your club team goes 3-2 instead of 2-3 at NAL or NLF? My best memories of youth lax are at the club level and I hope my boys get to have the same.

Considering your age, this means you were not a very good player..
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Considering your age, this means you were not a very good player..[/quote]

Despite him saying he played D1 and pro? I thought the PA forum was to encourage each other and not be like all of the Maryland psychos…. Be better
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For now, just remember Freedom, as a club, tried to trademark the term “daddy ball”, this team is definitely no different. Half of the roster is either from way out of the area or is playing up a year, be surprised if they hold it together much longer[/quote]

Not many choices for those Mannheim boys, maybe they like their team and they will stay together. Freedom is a good club to represent the area and the 28…. I wish them well
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
For now, just remember Freedom, as a club, tried to trademark the term “daddy ball”, this team is definitely no different. Half of the roster is either from way out of the area or is playing up a year, be surprised if they hold it together much longer

Not many choices for those Mannheim boys, maybe they like their team and they will stay together. Freedom is a good club to represent the area and the 28…. I wish them well[/quote]

Not understanding the context of this statement....are you saying Freedom plays "Daddy ball" (plays their own kids) and a team from Manheim also plays "Daddy ball"? Also, is this for the 2028 team? Sorry....I am completely lost on this.
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NXT was just acquired by 3 Step. Any idea how that might change the Philly lacrosse landscape?
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Didn’t 3 step just acquire the Annapolis hawks too??
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Didn’t 3 step just acquire the Annapolis hawks too??

Yes, they seem to be aggressively expanding their footprint in both teams and event organizers.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Didn’t 3 step just acquire the Annapolis hawks too??

Yes, they seem to be aggressively expanding their footprint in both teams and event organizers.
They are looking to acquire Sandstorm as well. The event in CA.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Didn’t 3 step just acquire the Annapolis hawks too??

Yes, they seem to be aggressively expanding their footprint in both teams and event organizers.
They are looking to acquire Sandstorm as well. The event in CA.

With this kind of consolidation, will club lacrosse turn into the mess that we see in baseball? This can't be good for the sport.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
NXT was just acquired by 3 Step. Any idea how that might change the Philly lacrosse landscape?
Won't change much if anything. All the value is in running tournaments and other events. People way overvalue how much these organizations make off the actual team fees.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NXT was just acquired by 3 Step. Any idea how that might change the Philly lacrosse landscape?
Won't change much if anything. All the value is in running tournaments and other events. People way overvalue how much these organizations make off the actual team fees.
If one company runs a significant number of tournaments, they set the rules and price structure. Consolidation does matter. Not at the club team level, but certainly in the one area that supports and influences every club - competition.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NXT was just acquired by 3 Step. Any idea how that might change the Philly lacrosse landscape?
Won't change much if anything. All the value is in running tournaments and other events. People way overvalue how much these organizations make off the actual team fees.

Come on the club teams cant get worser than they is
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NXT was just acquired by 3 Step. Any idea how that might change the Philly lacrosse landscape?
Won't change much if anything. All the value is in running tournaments and other events. People way overvalue how much these organizations make off the actual team fees.

Come on the club teams cant get worser than they is

Kind of like your grasp of the English language
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Club lacrosse is getting ridiculous. I am watching players take horrible shots, taking on 3 guys, and not passing in order to get a highlight reel. Daddy is in the car telling them to take shots before the game. Clubs are dumping kids and picking up others mid season. There is less development. have never seen it so bad.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Club lacrosse is getting ridiculous. I am watching players take horrible shots, taking on 3 guys, and not passing in order to get a highlight reel. Daddy is in the car telling them to take shots before the game. Clubs are dumping kids and picking up others mid season. There is less development. have never seen it so bad.

Boy I sure hope you’re not a 2030 parent
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No way....2029. smile Perhaps its the growth of lacrosse and club teams taking on marginal players who don't understand ball movement at the "older" level. That is what I am getting at....You have 5th through 7th graders and the best athlete on the field can still take it to the goal on any given possession. You start playing 8th through 11th grade....those days are over. Defenders and zone play will eat you up.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
No way....2029. smile Perhaps its the growth of lacrosse and club teams taking on marginal players who don't understand ball movement at the "older" level. That is what I am getting at....You have 5th through 7th graders and the best athlete on the field can still take it to the goal on any given possession. You start playing 8th through 11th grade....those days are over. Defenders and zone play will eat you up.

Here is the solution for you, hold your kid back than send him to private school and re-class him so he can be a 16 year old freshman.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No way....2029. smile Perhaps its the growth of lacrosse and club teams taking on marginal players who don't understand ball movement at the "older" level. That is what I am getting at....You have 5th through 7th graders and the best athlete on the field can still take it to the goal on any given possession. You start playing 8th through 11th grade....those days are over. Defenders and zone play will eat you up.

Here is the solution for you, hold your kid back than send him to private school and re-class him so he can be a 16 year old freshman.

Yep, all so he can get a shot at a 5% scholarship to Delaware or Monmouth
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No way....2029. smile Perhaps its the growth of lacrosse and club teams taking on marginal players who don't understand ball movement at the "older" level. That is what I am getting at....You have 5th through 7th graders and the best athlete on the field can still take it to the goal on any given possession. You start playing 8th through 11th grade....those days are over. Defenders and zone play will eat you up.

Here is the solution for you, hold your kid back than send him to private school and re-class him so he can be a 16 year old freshman.

Yep, all so he can get a shot at a 5% scholarship to Delaware or Monmouth

Funny...I have a 15 yr old sophomore at private school. He is holding his own athletically and we hope that he takes advantage of the INCREDIBLE education we are providing. Sports may be his ticket to an elite school...maybe not. Either way - totally worth it. #theyhateyoubecausetheyarenotyou
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No way....2029. smile Perhaps its the growth of lacrosse and club teams taking on marginal players who don't understand ball movement at the "older" level. That is what I am getting at....You have 5th through 7th graders and the best athlete on the field can still take it to the goal on any given possession. You start playing 8th through 11th grade....those days are over. Defenders and zone play will eat you up.

Here is the solution for you, hold your kid back than send him to private school and re-class him so he can be a 16 year old freshman.

Yep, all so he can get a shot at a 5% scholarship to Delaware or Monmouth

I agree MP #staypublic
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
No way....2029. smile Perhaps its the growth of lacrosse and club teams taking on marginal players who don't understand ball movement at the "older" level. That is what I am getting at....You have 5th through 7th graders and the best athlete on the field can still take it to the goal on any given possession. You start playing 8th through 11th grade....those days are over. Defenders and zone play will eat you up.

If you are playing against teams and in leagues where kids of this age can just take it to the goal on any given possession - then these kids aren’t very good. Perhaps you could find some more competitive lacrosse?
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That's just it....they can't at the older level, but it does not stop them from trying anyway. They still think they are the "big" 5'7 135 pound 7th grader who can go straight to the net. Now they are the "small" 10th grader and have not developed their lacrosse IQ. Your comment about finding better competition is silly. We are talking about club lacrosse and the lack of development of players to play a "team" game.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's just it....they can't at the older level, but it does not stop them from trying anyway. They still think they are the "big" 5'7 135 pound 7th grader who can go straight to the net. Now they are the "small" 10th grader and have not developed their lacrosse IQ. Your comment about finding better competition is silly. We are talking about club lacrosse and the lack of development of players to play a "team" game.
Not sure what team/level is being discussed, but I have a '26 and a '27 and I don't see kids going to goal on any given possession regardless of size/skill. There are some great athletes for sure but its been at least 2 years since kids could single handedly carry teams from what I've seen.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
That's just it....they can't at the older level, but it does not stop them from trying anyway. They still think they are the "big" 5'7 135 pound 7th grader who can go straight to the net. Now they are the "small" 10th grader and have not developed their lacrosse IQ. Your comment about finding better competition is silly. We are talking about club lacrosse and the lack of development of players to play a "team" game.


No it’s not silly. Your thought was poorly articulated.

You said athletic kids could just “take it to the goal.”

If that’s happening in middle school - then yes the kids aren’t very good.
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What years/levels does Team Money field these days?
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Does anybody know why Brotherly Love 2025 missed NAL? They were registered at one time, but disappeared.
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Most of the kids play for team 10, so tough to field a team when it’s not really a team.
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Ok
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I'm really tired of reading about holdbacks and whether or not MIAA or LI rules.

Is this the year EA claims the InterAc or does THS and MP duke it out in the end?

Does Radnor continue with their dominance or does Lemieux figure something out like he always does? Rest of central league doesn't appear to have much to show.

Salesianum, ANC and Lasalle all have loaded rosters and transfers.

What say you Philly peeps?!

I need some lunch time fun...
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Wait your bored on the MD and LI boards but want to discuss EA and MP? No thanks
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm really tired of reading about holdbacks and whether or not MIAA or LI rules.

Is this the year EA claims the InterAc or does THS and MP duke it out in the end?

Does Radnor continue with their dominance or does Lemieux figure something out like he always does? Rest of central league doesn't appear to have much to show.

Salesianum, ANC and Lasalle all have loaded rosters and transfers.

What say you Philly peeps?!

I need some lunch time fun...


Haverford School the favorite. They are very deep and classes at all years pretty strong, but all above solid programs and loaded with talent. Will be competitive year in Philadelphia area. ANC offers boarding so will keep getting stronger.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm really tired of reading about holdbacks and whether or not MIAA or LI rules.

Is this the year EA claims the InterAc or does THS and MP duke it out in the end?

Does Radnor continue with their dominance or does Lemieux figure something out like he always does? Rest of central league doesn't appear to have much to show.

Salesianum, ANC and Lasalle all have loaded rosters and transfers.

What say you Philly peeps?!

I need some lunch time fun...
No doubt it will be Haverford and MP as the top 2 in the area. Malvern lost so much talent but I am sure they have enough in the pipeline, and some kids off the radar currently will step up and dominate to keep them in the Top 2. Haverford is loaded and probably the favorite, but should be a tight top 2. EA has some nice top end talent, but nowhere near the depth of MP and the Fords. ANC is doing a nice job of building and using boarding to help. Boarding isn't as much a slam dunk as some claim as Westtown thought they could build and board (as well as constantly saying your son could be the next Hakim Hicks) and instead can't even get average local talent let alone top level boarders.
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Malvern lost some top players in the country this year but they still have plenty of talent. I would agree that Haverford is the favorite. I think this is LaSalle's year in AAA. Allentown Central Catholic looks like they will be the team to beat in AA but don't count out WC Rustin....some great playmakers.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm really tired of reading about holdbacks and whether or not MIAA or LI rules.

Is this the year EA claims the InterAc or does THS and MP duke it out in the end?

Does Radnor continue with their dominance or does Lemieux figure something out like he always does? Rest of central league doesn't appear to have much to show.

Salesianum, ANC and Lasalle all have loaded rosters and transfers.

What say you Philly peeps?!

I need some lunch time fun...
No doubt it will be Haverford and MP as the top 2 in the area. Malvern lost so much talent but I am sure they have enough in the pipeline, and some kids off the radar currently will step up and dominate to keep them in the Top 2. Haverford is loaded and probably the favorite, but should be a tight top 2. EA has some nice top end talent, but nowhere near the depth of MP and the Fords. ANC is doing a nice job of building and using boarding to help. Boarding isn't as much a slam dunk as some claim as Westtown thought they could build and board (as well as constantly saying your son could be the next Hakim Hicks) and instead can't even get average local talent let alone top level boarders.

New marketing strategy fail about as good as pushing Dukes reset 3.0.
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I'm really tired of reading about holdbacks and whether or not MIAA or LI rules.

Is this the year EA claims the InterAc or does THS and MP duke it out in the end?

Does Radnor continue with their dominance or does Lemieux figure something out like he always does? Rest of central league doesn't appear to have much to show.

Salesianum, ANC and Lasalle all have loaded rosters and transfers.

What say you Philly peeps?!

I need some lunch time fun...
No doubt it will be Haverford and MP as the top 2 in the area. Malvern lost so much talent but I am sure they have enough in the pipeline, and some kids off the radar currently will step up and dominate to keep them in the Top 2. Haverford is loaded and probably the favorite, but should be a tight top 2. EA has some nice top end talent, but nowhere near the depth of MP and the Fords. ANC is doing a nice job of building and using boarding to help. Boarding isn't as much a slam dunk as some claim as Westtown thought they could build and board (as well as constantly saying your son could be the next Hakim Hicks) and instead can't even get average local talent let alone top level boarders.

All great teams!
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Wait your bored on the MD and LI boards but want to discuss EA and MP? No thanks

"You're" welcome...guess you're not a grammar guy either.
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Malvern lost some top players in the country this year but they still have plenty of talent. I would agree that Haverford is the favorite. I think this is LaSalle's year in AAA. Allentown Central Catholic looks like they will be the team to beat in AA but don't count out WC Rustin....some great playmakers.
Watch out for SCH in the InterAc. The aid floodgates for opened for next year as they are adding some strong transfers and a loaded incoming freshman class. they won't be up with Malvern and Haverford, but will surpass EA.
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Malvern lost some top players in the country this year but they still have plenty of talent. I would agree that Haverford is the favorite. I think this is LaSalle's year in AAA. Allentown Central Catholic looks like they will be the team to beat in AA but don't count out WC Rustin....some great playmakers.
Watch out for SCH in the InterAc. The aid floodgates for opened for next year as they are adding some strong transfers and a loaded incoming freshman class. they won't be up with Malvern and Haverford, but will surpass EA.

Agreed. Doc knows what he's doing there! 24 class had some nice transfers. In a year or two they won't be overlooked.
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Man you got him!!!
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So BL sold the academy concept. Paid thousands to coaches to hang on, that money train ran out. Hooked up with Dukes , sold that for a short time and now sell it all to Phantoms. I give it a year maybe .
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So BL sold the academy concept. Paid thousands to coaches to hang on, that money train ran out. Hooked up with Dukes , sold that for a short time and now sell it all to Phantoms. I give it a year maybe .

Be honest there 2023 and 2024 team beat your team.
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Malvern lost some top players in the country this year but they still have plenty of talent. I would agree that Haverford is the favorite. I think this is LaSalle's year in AAA. Allentown Central Catholic looks like they will be the team to beat in AA but don't count out WC Rustin....some great playmakers.
Watch out for SCH in the InterAc. The aid floodgates for opened for next year as they are adding some strong transfers and a loaded incoming freshman class. they won't be up with Malvern and Haverford, but will surpass EA.

EA has a spectacular FOGO that can be a real difference maker with possession as the rest of their team isn't on par with Haverford or Malvern this year. Very Lehigh"esque." Not the overall talent of most teams but always get possession.
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So BL sold the academy concept. Paid thousands to coaches to hang on, that money train ran out. Hooked up with Dukes , sold that for a short time and now sell it all to Phantoms. I give it a year maybe .

Be honest there 2023 and 2024 team beat your team.

All the coaches are staying. Premier National team is not changing. So, not sure what the issue is other than the teams will be managed by people that manage teams, not by someone doing it on the side with a full time job.
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So how many BL teams will be in the area? Are the Brotherly Love Delaware a new club or the old BL that was in southeast PA?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
So BL sold the academy concept. Paid thousands to coaches to hang on, that money train ran out. Hooked up with Dukes , sold that for a short time and now sell it all to Phantoms. I give it a year maybe .

Be honest there 2023 and 2024 team beat your team.

All the coaches are staying. Premier National team is not changing. So, not sure what the issue is other than the teams will be managed by people that manage teams, not by someone doing it on the side with a full time job.

Defensive much.....OP is only talking about BL 2024 and 2023.
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So how many BL teams will be in the area? Are the Brotherly Love Delaware a new club or the old BL that was in southeast PA?
Delaware will be new teams
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Thank you.
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Oh so the coaches of the Pa teams will coach the Delaware teams. Thanks for clearing that up. Now if I live in Delaware but play on the Pa teams do I still pay the $60 tryout fee?
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Malvern lost some top players in the country this year but they still have plenty of talent. I would agree that Haverford is the favorite. I think this is LaSalle's year in AAA. Allentown Central Catholic looks like they will be the team to beat in AA but don't count out WC Rustin....some great playmakers.
Watch out for SCH in the InterAc. The aid floodgates for opened for next year as they are adding some strong transfers and a loaded incoming freshman class. they won't be up with Malvern and Haverford, but will surpass EA.

EA has a spectacular FOGO that can be a real difference maker with possession as the rest of their team isn't on par with Haverford or Malvern this year. Very Lehigh"esque." Not the overall talent of most teams but always get possession.

I can't see much changing this spring in the interac:
1 HS (too deep, too talented)
2 MP (ditto)
3 EA (best of the rest)
4 GA (virtually all starters returning but...)
5 SCH (0-10 league record last year, have to be better)
6 PC (finished 5 last year but graduated key players from that team)
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Malvern lost some top players in the country this year but they still have plenty of talent. I would agree that Haverford is the favorite. I think this is LaSalle's year in AAA. Allentown Central Catholic looks like they will be the team to beat in AA but don't count out WC Rustin....some great playmakers.
Watch out for SCH in the InterAc. The aid floodgates for opened for next year as they are adding some strong transfers and a loaded incoming freshman class. they won't be up with Malvern and Haverford, but will surpass EA.

EA has a spectacular FOGO that can be a real difference maker with possession as the rest of their team isn't on par with Haverford or Malvern this year. Very Lehigh"esque." Not the overall talent of most teams but always get possession.

I can't see much changing this spring in the interac:
1 HS (too deep, too talented)
2 MP (ditto)
3 EA (best of the rest)
4 GA (virtually all starters returning but...)
5 SCH (0-10 league record last year, have to be better)
6 PC (finished 5 last year but graduated key players from that team)

Seems about right. EA and SCH are good for an upset. They just don't have the depth to make it all the way.

Is Garnet Valley the favorite in PIAA? Not counting Lasalle....
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So BL sold the academy concept. Paid thousands to coaches to hang on, that money train ran out. Hooked up with Dukes , sold that for a short time and now sell it all to Phantoms. I give it a year maybe .

Who is this company buying all the LC's. NXT, Brotherly Love. what is their end game? Control the tournaments?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
So BL sold the academy concept. Paid thousands to coaches to hang on, that money train ran out. Hooked up with Dukes , sold that for a short time and now sell it all to Phantoms. I give it a year maybe .

Who is this company buying all the LC's. NXT, Brotherly Love. what is their end game? Control the tournaments?

PE backed. Scaling out across all kinds of youth sports.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
So BL sold the academy concept. Paid thousands to coaches to hang on, that money train ran out. Hooked up with Dukes , sold that for a short time and now sell it all to Phantoms. I give it a year maybe .

Who is this company buying all the LC's. NXT, Brotherly Love. what is their end game? Control the tournaments?

PE backed. Scaling out across all kinds of youth sports.

Youth sports are closest thing to recession proof as you can get. Parents will refi their homes before they deny their kid an opportunity to play club lax.
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Malvern lost some top players in the country this year but they still have plenty of talent. I would agree that Haverford is the favorite. I think this is LaSalle's year in AAA. Allentown Central Catholic looks like they will be the team to beat in AA but don't count out WC Rustin....some great playmakers.
Watch out for SCH in the InterAc. The aid floodgates for opened for next year as they are adding some strong transfers and a loaded incoming freshman class. they won't be up with Malvern and Haverford, but will surpass EA.

EA has a spectacular FOGO that can be a real difference maker with possession as the rest of their team isn't on par with Haverford or Malvern this year. Very Lehigh"esque." Not the overall talent of most teams but always get possession.

I can't see much changing this spring in the interac:
1 HS (too deep, too talented)
2 MP (ditto)
3 EA (best of the rest)
4 GA (virtually all starters returning but...)
5 SCH (0-10 league record last year, have to be better)
6 PC (finished 5 last year but graduated key players from that team)

Seems about right. EA and SCH are good for an upset. They just don't have the depth to make it all the way.

Is Garnet Valley the favorite in PIAA? Not counting Lasalle....

Garnet is stacked again, hopefully for them it doesn't come down to coaching or it will be a familiar result....

As for MP seems like they are taking a huge step backwards loads of talent gone and not a lot offensively to replace it.
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Malvern lost some top players in the country this year but they still have plenty of talent. I would agree that Haverford is the favorite. I think this is LaSalle's year in AAA. Allentown Central Catholic looks like they will be the team to beat in AA but don't count out WC Rustin....some great playmakers.
Watch out for SCH in the InterAc. The aid floodgates for opened for next year as they are adding some strong transfers and a loaded incoming freshman class. they won't be up with Malvern and Haverford, but will surpass EA.

EA has a spectacular FOGO that can be a real difference maker with possession as the rest of their team isn't on par with Haverford or Malvern this year. Very Lehigh"esque." Not the overall talent of most teams but always get possession.

I can't see much changing this spring in the interac:
1 HS (too deep, too talented)
2 MP (ditto)
3 EA (best of the rest)
4 GA (virtually all starters returning but...)
5 SCH (0-10 league record last year, have to be better)
6 PC (finished 5 last year but graduated key players from that team)

Seems about right. EA and SCH are good for an upset. They just don't have the depth to make it all the way.

Is Garnet Valley the favorite in PIAA? Not counting Lasalle....

Garnet is stacked again, hopefully for them it doesn't come down to coaching or it will be a familiar result....

As for MP seems like they are taking a huge step backwards loads of talent gone and not a lot offensively to replace it.

Why not count LaSalle? They are in PIAA
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Boys Recruiting Thoughts and Help for the Masses

I posted this in the Northeast “Boys High School Lacrosse” forum but it was suggested I post this in some of the other regions. None of this gospel; just thoughts and opinion and trying to help out parents who may have been as clueless as me in the beginning

I apologize ahead of time as this is a VERY VERY long post so I left a TL;DR summary at the top. There are also likely errors in this so I welcome any corrections. I also suspect these thoughts may hold true for the girl’s game but I don’t know anything about girl’s recruiting. Yes, I have too much time on my hands now the kids have moved on.

I am posting this as anonymous – I’m not notIntelligent (haha). This may generate a lot of thoughts, positive or negative but the point is to get a discussion going because I find there is very little actual recruiting help on these forums. I am sure many of the replies will be “bitter parent” “Ok Rebel Parent” or “team91 parent” or “Stunad” or “legacy dad” or “your kid graduated, why are you still on these forums you creeper”, etc. This is just one person’s opinion as someone who has gone through it (kid was a middie, on-age who ended up in a good D3 school) but had some D1 looks / offers so maybe this can be used to help others (or maybe I’m a coach……..). If you feel the need to comment, try to post something constructive. If you don’t like the post; scroll on by.

You may agree with 0%, 50% or 90% of it. It is important to note that these are just generalizations on a Bell Curve; there are always exceptions to the rules: there are some who got recruited way above their pay class and there also talented people who fell far in recruitment. This should apply to most but there are definitely outliers where people have forged their own paths. Tell us your stories!

For those whom this is TL;DR

1) Talent and connections trump everything, which leads into…
2) … being realistic about your kid’s ability as many parents cannot be “objective”
3) Be cognizant of how much you are projecting your own hopes and dreams onto your kid – don’t be that parent.
4) Some of you feel like you are running on a “Hamster Wheel” when it comes to recruiting. Find out what “Hamster Wheel” you want to be on – don’t be afraid to change wheels midstream
5) Have “fun” – but to be perfectly honest, if you are at the level where you are hoping to be recruited, I am not going to sit here and say having fun is the only thing that matters because that is BS. That being said, having fun is still important whether it be lacrosse, long road trips with your kids, having a meal with them, visiting colleges – all are fun.
6) Whatever college or trade school you kid ends up in, it will be perfectly OK in the end
7) Don’t believe what everyone tells you (including me). What may have worked for someone else may not work for you as I can guarantee you kid is so very different from everyone else.
8) Lacrosse is finite – don’t make short term decisions with long term consequences. It is Ok to sacrifice saying “my kid got into a low D1 school with poor academics” just for the sake of being D1. It will be better in the long run to apply to a better academic D1 school that has club, the MCLA’s or better academic D3 schools

Soooo, moving on these are the factors that I think of importance (from most to least) to get recruited:

1) Talent – trumps all – if your kid is already a superstar, most of this does not apply to you. If he/she don’t have as much talent, try to be realistic about their high level D1 / D3 dreams. Be very realistic about how your own child grades out. You may think they are superstar but if they haven’t competed on the national stage where the competition is the best, you cannot really know how good your kid is, even if everyone tells you they are the best. Be as objective as possible; rate your kid on a 100 point scale. Most players who are 93+ have a decent chance at a high D1/D3 school. Anything below that, it is going to be more difficult to get into the top schools and don’t punch way above you kid’s weight class when it comes to recruiting as it will lead to disappointment. However, there really is a lock for every key and if your kid really wants to play lacrosse, there are 400+ schools out there to play at. If you don’t have connections or talent, you will have to market the garbage out of yourself – go to showcases, prospect days, make good videos, email (the appropriate amount), sign up for recruiting services. But honestly, most of those all have minimal impact unless you have the connections but it’s all you got at that point.
2) Connections (High / Prep School or Club) – my kid went to several prospect days for schools as well as sent several emails to schools and he never heard a peep from any of them until a coach reached out on his behalf. I truly believe that this is the most important beyond talent. Coaches at all levels are getting hundreds of videos and thousands of email. They simply do not have the time to review them all or even open them. Having a coach call or email, allows you to jump to the top of the food chain (think Chutes and Ladders).
3) Grades – how could I leave this out in the original post! If you don’t have the grades, you aren’t getting into an elite school. Sports will help somewhat but you do have to have some sort of baseline decent grades.
4) Your kid’s High School prestige – there is line somewhere that separates the elite schools for lacrosse from the run-of-the-mill lacrosse high schools. If you are below that line, unless there is an individual connection, your chances of an elite D1/D3 school are slim to none without that connection. That being said, your high school play is still very important for recruiting for the other D1/D2/D3 schools because it is your high school coach that knows you best.
5) Your kid’s Club – same facts hold true as it does (#3) high school. I often get asked what club team should I chose. Do not balk at driving distance as a barrier. Sometimes you will have to drive far to get to a better club. To be honest, I would choose the best, highest ranked club because they play in the best tournaments (NAL, NLF, Crabfeast and Naptown, Great8) and try and get on their A squad at as young an age as possible. That way the club knows your child over time and will go to bat for you eventually. In addition, if you don’t make the top team, it gives you a chance to: work your way up to the A team or look for another club that may suit you better. That brings up the topic of A vs B. In reality, most B teams are not sending players to top D1/D3 schools (some are but that is not the norm). If being at a top lax school is not your goal then A vs B doesn’t matter as much because plenty of B players play college lacrosse. My kid was on a team that did not think much about his game. He was at a small local club and so he made the jump to a national club. He started on their C team and worked his way up to started on the top team so it is possible. Finally, understand these clubs are in the MONEY MAKING business as most are for-profit. They will sell you a bridge to nowhere as long as they get your tuition checks. Here is how I break them down:
a. Some are outright frauds. They don’t care and they just want your money
b. Some put together some half -hearted attempts at recruiting – they go through the motions but are not really making phone calls on your kids behalf
c. Others really only promote their best players. These are also fraudulent as they put all their time and effort into marketing their best players only, while the rest remain tution check to support those best players.
d. Finally, there are some truly excellent programs who will do their best to place a kid anywhere whether it be the best D1 program to the worst D3 program.
e. I would be remiss if I didn’t mention National teams and National tournaments – on paper, it is a very good idea but part of me says there is a money grab aspect. You can even see multiple clubs joining together to make national team (eg CLCA). I think it is the next evolution and I would not be surprised if National tournaments become the norm with local tournaments still existing but becoming second fiddle.
Coaches will tell you they will help you with recruiting but the reality is they do not want to put their name out there to back you if there is a lacrosse:talent mismatch. So if your Johnny rates as an 80, don’t ask your coach to get you into Syracuse because they won’t do it. It is a shame that some clubs promise you the world but don’t help you even though are paying $2000-4000 for your club; for them to not help you is just fraudulent. How to tell if a club is real or not? Look at their website. A good one would post a list of ALL their commits, not just the ones who get into top D1 schools which usually means they had a favorite player. Look at their social media. Are all of their posts only about 1-5 of their top kids? Finally, word of mouth – talk to the older kids and kids who have moved through the program; not the superstars but the average ones who had college lax dreams.
6) Prospect Days – this is the best way to get in front of a school on an individual basis. However, many of these are pure money grabs. We have been to several where no one was filming, coaches had no paper or they were not writing anything down. Clearly no evaluation was going on. It does allow you to get in front of the coaches and look at the campus. But I am somewhat cynical because if you were not already on their radar, a coach didn’t send you, or you were not invited, it is unlikely to be helpful.
7) Showcases- There are so many showcases out there. Many of them are money grabs and really garbage showcases. How do you know what is a good showcase? I wish I knew the answer to that but I can say that if the showcase has a good list of head coaches then it is going to be pretty good. If the communication is pretty good, then that is also a good sign. I will throw it out there and say good ones are Showtime, The Players Series, Spotlight, ECD, Lacrosse Masters, Main Stage, NXT Fall, The Show, Juniors Open, Main Stage. Then there are the average showcases (3D, adrenaline, my lacrosse tournaments, Elite 100, Elite 180, GFW, Q4, Victory, Maryland Showcase). UA and National All Star Games are very good but very political. 1%, FiveStar and Apex are very heavily marketed but have found them to be more glitz than substance. What is important to know is nobody is going to be “discovered” at most of these so do not think your kid is going to show up and “kill it” and get recruited by Duke. Coaches usually have a list of players they are there to see and if the kid does well, then they reach out. Finally, no one cares about wins and losses at showcase so don’t be that parent.
8) Recruiting video – coaches are getting hundreds of video so they may never even open your video or emails. That being said, video is still 100% necessary in this day and age of recruiting. If they do open it, you want your intro to be brief and you want to front load your 5-star highlights. Some say don’t use music; my feeling is they can always mute it. Try to film your own video even though it is a pain in the arse. Much of the paid tournament videos offered are expensive and very poor quality. It is a pain in the butt to film your own highlight video but you will have a much higher quality video that is zoomed in appropriately. Iphone and imovie work perfectly fine or invest in a cheap HD camcorder. Some of the biggest mistakes I’ve seen: inappropriate offensive music, not zooming in on your child, including highlights that aren’t highlights, not highlighting /circling your player in the video (you know your kid so it’s easy to pick out for you but most coaches, it’s pretty hard to pick up to the player in that 4 second clip). Some say, don’t make it longer than 2 minutes; my feeling is most coaches aren’t watching past 1 minute (if they open it) and if you give a 6 minute highlight video they can always just shut it off.
9) Position – kids are specializing more and more (SSDM, FOGO, LSM and goalies). If you are really good at your position, you stand a very good chance. If you are mediocre, you better show that you can do other things. At the Prospect Days, I have noticed more and more defenders and less middies which stinks for defense, that stinks because I think that is also the hardest position to get recruited at. Goalies always fill first so get in early. If you are not looking high level, none of this is as important
10) Recruiting profiles (NCSA, SportsRecruit, ConnectLax, CaptainU) – these are likely only helpful for the mid-lower Tier D1, D2, D3 schools. The top schools will not or do not use these services – they do everything through connections.

Additional comments, myths and facts?

1. I am assuming that most people “try to punch up” with their recruiting (ie they will try and overachieve with their lacrosse ambitions) so be patient, be realistic and don’t be disappointed. There is a “lock for every key” as there are over 400 lacrosse colleges. If you really want to play lacrosse, you will find a school.
2. Re-class – there is so much detest on this forum about re-classed players. Unfortunately, it is here to stay until colleges and clubs change their mind (USA Lacrosse has zero ability or desire to change this). Colleges and clubs don’t want to change because they want the most mature and physically gifted players so they could care less that your kid is on-age. Some kids re-class for legit reasons (maturity, academics). But some also re-class to try and get into a better school. IMHO, re-classing is destroying the sport but it’s here to stay. It is completely unfair but totally within the rules. Why on earth would someone re-class for lacrosse reasons only is beyond me. I can’t imagine how dominant my kid would have been if he was going against kids 1 -3 years younger.
3. Lacrosse players are not getting a full scholarship: Full scholarships are uncommon and most will only get a very small amount of money
4. Lacrosse is finite: I think lacrosse carries on forever whether it be a playing in beer league, coaching, raising your own kid, etc. But in terms of a career, very few people go on to make a living out of playing lacrosse. Lacrosse has a finite end and for some it ends after high school; some after college. Don’t make short term decision with long term consequences
5. Commit vs Preferred-Walk-on vs Walk-on – I know very little about this. All I can say is that if you are a preferred walk-on you are on the team but you don’t always travel. If you tryout and walk-on (not preferred), there are generally very little chances or spots at the high collegiate level but probably plenty at the lower caliber schools
6. Prep vs Private vs Catholic – depends what part of the country you live. Not all preps are lacrosse powerhouses nor are all catholic schools. There are a few public schools that carry a lot of weight but chances are your high school does not; you will know
7. PG – from what I have been told, do not PG unless it is arranged ahead of time with a college who specifically said you should PG. There are plenty of PG’s who PG but do so without a college talking to them. There are even PG schools out there. They still eventually get into lacrosse schools but it usually is not a step up to playing for Duke / Virginia / Syracuse / Yale etc. That being said, some need to PG for academic and maturity reasons.
8. How often should I email a coach – I believe coaches are getting hundreds of emails. Chances are, they are not going to read or even open your email (at least at the high D1 or high D3 level). That being said – maybe once a month and always have some sort of update whether it being lacrosse or academic.
9. Don’t be that lacrosse dad or mom. Honestly, be quiet. Don’t coach your son on the field. Don’t yell “wheels” “ward” “offsides” and ride the refs. Coaches do actually notice this. They don’t care so much at the collegiate level because they can limit the parent’s sphere of influence but somewhere in the back of their mind, they are wondering if the apple doesn’t fall from the tree when they are recruiting. No one cares that you were once a superstar or failed athlete. Everyone can see you are projecting who you once were or wanted to be onto your child
10. The Grass is Not Always Greener (See Clubs above) – it’s OK to be a club hopper – we jumped clubs and it worked out for the better but it doesn’t always. Just make sure you are doing it because there are faults with the club and not faults with you or your kid. Most parents cannot tell the difference sadly. If you do go club hopping, make sure you latch on to one before high school because making the change after high school is very difficult
11. The New England region and Long Island used to be center of the lacrosse universe. That is no longer the case. I believe it is currently the MidAtlantic (re-class) but areas such as the South (Fl, GA, TX), Midwest (Il, MI) and West (CA, CO) are producing amazing players along with New England and LI still being very good
12. D1 vs D2 vs D3
a. D1 – I think a lot of kids can play D1 as there are some D1 schools that are not as competitive out there and would be happy to take all sorts of talent. The only thing I would advise is don’t go D1 for the sake of going D1. D1 is also a full time job so they have to juggle academics with their lacrosse.
b. D2 – they do offer scholarships. Some are great schools and great lacrosse programs but academically I have found they are not as good as some of the D1 and D3 schools
c. D3 – I do not believe they offer sport scholarships but will offer other scholarships. Even though D1 is a full time job, D3 is also very busy especially in the spring. The main difference is the 20 hours in the fall that D1 has that D3 does not but D3 still practices in the fall. D3 probably has the largest cohort of schools from incredibly competitive to very mediocre.
d. MCLA – do not overlook these schools. Some are top academic institutions (Stanford, Rice, GaTech, etc)
e. Club lacrosse – also do not overlook this. Totally OK.

Timeline – don’t get sad if all your friends commit on 9/1 of their junior year. D3 doesn’t make offers until later and sometimes D1 makes commitments as late as December of your senior year. Patience, young grasshopper.

D1 - You cannot be contacted by anyone for recruiting until September 1 of your junior year. That being said, they can reach out to you with camps and prospect days but not personally. Now obviously kids who verbally commit on 9/1 must have had some contacts with the colleges but most of it is through high school / clubs

D2 – June 15 after the sophomore year

D3 – I believe they can talk at any time but some of the NESCACs adopt D1 rules. D3 offers do not go out until June (or July?) 1 after their junior year

Choosing a school: it will be a multitude of factors but this is what I think plays into it (in no order)

1) Academics – imho, don’t sacrifice this for lacrosse, but that being said, you will probably be fine at any school depending on what you make out of it
2) D1 vs D2 vs D3 – similar to above – don’t get caught up on the D1 Hamster Wheel – plenty of good options out there
3) Starter vs bench – some kids just want to be part of a process; some need to be the superstar. Find out where your kid is and if you are realistic, it may open doors and don’t shoot for the stars, it may open up a lot of schools.
4) Conference they play in and level of competition
5) Money – it matters. There are some very rich people on these forums who don’t realize that. That being said, most are not getting full sports scholarships.
6) Coaches and their coaching philosophy – this has to be the right fit
7) Lacrosse is finite – don’t choose a school because of a lacrosse

Well I am sure I left a lot out. Let the detest begin (haha). But seriously, try and help out your fellow lax members with something constructive. Everyone enjoy the ride though. It was great for me, my wife and all our kids.
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There are no such things as D3 offers. We need to stop the ridiculousness of kids "accepting" D3 roster spots and saying they are any type of offer as it leads to confusion, accusations and a lot of unnecessary drama. There is no such thing as a guaranteed roster spot (grades, behavior etc can always affect a roster spot regardless of level). I love that some kids can use lax to get into a school that they may not attend otherwise, but there is no offer when it comes to D3. If you get accepted and come to the school, you do not have to play lax, you received no money to do so. D3 is a wonderful opportunity for so many kids, but please stop referring to D3 "offers."
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Why not count LaSalle? They are in PIAA

Because it is ridiculous LaSalle is in the PIAA. They have the resources and recruiting efforts of the Inter-Ac schools which 99% of PIAA schools don't.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are no such things as D3 offers. We need to stop the ridiculousness of kids "accepting" D3 roster spots and saying they are any type of offer as it leads to confusion, accusations and a lot of unnecessary drama. There is no such thing as a guaranteed roster spot (grades, behavior etc can always affect a roster spot regardless of level). I love that some kids can use lax to get into a school that they may not attend otherwise, but there is no offer when it comes to D3. If you get accepted and come to the school, you do not have to play lax, you received no money to do so. D3 is a wonderful opportunity for so many kids, but please stop referring to D3 "offers."


You are incorrect on this. Although there is no NLI - no contract binding an athlete to the school there certainly are "offers". I have had multiple athletes receive offers from D3 schools along with knowing their financial aide ahead of time. D3 is grant money from the school and the coach certainly can play a hand on how much an athlete can receive. D3 coaches will certainly hold roster spots for incoming freshmen - its why when a player decides they want D3 and they contact a coach about playing for a certain school the coach will say - "I am sorry I am done recruiting for the 2023 year now". D3 does not offer the same bells and whistles of an official NCAA visit but you certainly can be recruited and get help with financial from a D3 school.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are incorrect on this. Although there is no NLI - no contract binding an athlete to the school there certainly are "offers". I have had multiple athletes receive offers from D3 schools along with knowing their financial aide ahead of time. D3 is grant money from the school and the coach certainly can play a hand on how much an athlete can receive. D3 coaches will certainly hold roster spots for incoming freshmen - its why when a player decides they want D3 and they contact a coach about playing for a certain school the coach will say - "I am sorry I am done recruiting for the 2023 year now". D3 does not offer the same bells and whistles of an official NCAA visit but you certainly can be recruited and get help with financial from a D3 school.
There are no offers for athletics in Division 3 (if you feel the need to tell people your son got a D3 offer then you are doing him a disservice and are part of the problem as he's probably a great kid and doesn't need misinformation to prove that). As a D3 coach, I work closely with admissions, financial aid and scholarship groups. Admissions is fairly cut and dry scenario where I get slots for student athletes who fit a range of SAT, GPA and other qualifications. Financial aid is 100% out of my hands as that is very objective. Non-financial aid is where coaches have some influence as you are brining a kid into the school who has a skill that others do not. Our institution is mid tier academically within our conference so I can't get the 700 SAT kid who doesn't qualify for a D1 athletic scholarships, but I also don't need the 1300 kid as my reach/slotted athlete. Our staff tirelessly recruits within the confines of what is allowed. If anyone claims there is no recruiting in D3 you are not only wrong but offensive as we spend a ton of time recruiting. I am not sure what coach told you they were "done recruiting for 2023..." but that is untrue from whoever told you that. Some of my best players are kids who lost D1 offers late in the process or decided in spring of senior year, that they wanted a better balance in their life and preferred D3. It is true I may be out of admission slots, but I never stop recruiting. Also, there is no need to "hold a roster spot" as we do not have roster limits. I know this is all anonymous, but I apologize if this comes across as a personal attack to whoever posted above. The lax community is an incredible and growing world which I want to thrive especially at the D3 level. Unfortunately misperceptions and mischaracterizations of programs like mine can hinder the beautiful world of lax so I just want to set the record straight.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are incorrect on this. Although there is no NLI - no contract binding an athlete to the school there certainly are "offers". I have had multiple athletes receive offers from D3 schools along with knowing their financial aide ahead of time. D3 is grant money from the school and the coach certainly can play a hand on how much an athlete can receive. D3 coaches will certainly hold roster spots for incoming freshmen - its why when a player decides they want D3 and they contact a coach about playing for a certain school the coach will say - "I am sorry I am done recruiting for the 2023 year now". D3 does not offer the same bells and whistles of an official NCAA visit but you certainly can be recruited and get help with financial from a D3 school.
There are no offers for athletics in Division 3 (if you feel the need to tell people your son got a D3 offer then you are doing him a disservice and are part of the problem as he's probably a great kid and doesn't need misinformation to prove that). As a D3 coach, I work closely with admissions, financial aid and scholarship groups. Admissions is fairly cut and dry scenario where I get slots for student athletes who fit a range of SAT, GPA and other qualifications. Financial aid is 100% out of my hands as that is very objective. Non-financial aid is where coaches have some influence as you are brining a kid into the school who has a skill that others do not. Our institution is mid tier academically within our conference so I can't get the 700 SAT kid who doesn't qualify for a D1 athletic scholarships, but I also don't need the 1300 kid as my reach/slotted athlete. Our staff tirelessly recruits within the confines of what is allowed. If anyone claims there is no recruiting in D3 you are not only wrong but offensive as we spend a ton of time recruiting. I am not sure what coach told you they were "done recruiting for 2023..." but that is untrue from whoever told you that. Some of my best players are kids who lost D1 offers late in the process or decided in spring of senior year, that they wanted a better balance in their life and preferred D3. It is true I may be out of admission slots, but I never stop recruiting. Also, there is no need to "hold a roster spot" as we do not have roster limits. I know this is all anonymous, but I apologize if this comes across as a personal attack to whoever posted above. The lax community is an incredible and growing world which I want to thrive especially at the D3 level. Unfortunately misperceptions and mischaracterizations of programs like mine can hinder the beautiful world of lax so I just want to set the record straight.

I wrote the above and I think we are basically saying the same thing - there must have been a misconnect. I used the 2023 as an example. I am a high school coach who helps their players get recruited by D3 all the time. The offer I refer to is the coach calling and saying they would love to have you, the player, on their team. I know it is not a contract offer. I was writing in reference to the post above mine that stated D3 does not recruit or do any form of offers. D3 is great division for all athletes and has a lot to offer over D1 and D2 schools for certain players.
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I would disagree that there are "no offers". There isn't written "sign on the dotted line" offers but there are definitely handshake or verbal or wink-wink offers that happen in D3 all of the time. Otherwise it would be pure chaos on Early Decision day or college acceptance day.

There are verbal commitment offers all the time. What usually occurs after interest has been shown from both parties, the student usually goes through a "pre-read" to make sure they meet the academic requirement. If all parties agree, then the decision is to apply Early Decision as your "commitment" Could either party renege on it? Sure, because it is not binding. I also know kids who got rejected Early Decision due to some disconnect. But it is still an offer; its just a non-binding offer. I agree with the high school coach above who says it is not a contract offer and D3 definitely recruits student athletes. There are a few schools where athletics do not help at all (MIT comes to mind as I am sure there are others) but even they recruit and have prospect days. I think the other person who posted "if you feel the need to tell people your son got a D3 offer then you are doing him a disservice and part of the problem...we need to stop the ridiculousness of kids "accepting" D3 roster spots and saying they are any type of offer as it leads to confusion, accusations and a lot of unnecessary drama" is actually themselves doing a disservice by saying nothing happens verbally until college acceptance is had. But I do agree with the rest of what he had to say about financial aid, scholarships and roster spots etc. But an offer is still an offer (even if non-binding) whether it is done on paper, verbally, carrier pigeon or via smoke signals...
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The majority of D3 programs do not cut any players so offering a roster spot is irrelevant. If you are referring to offering one of their admissions slots then I agree, but disagree MIT doesn't have slots. MIT has spots for all sports (some are combined for multi sport athletes). I am sure that there are programs that have no slotted athletes but all the top academic D3 schools: Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Wesleyan, Pomona, Tufts, MIT etc. have slotted athletes.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Boys Recruiting Thoughts and Help for the Masses

I posted this in the Northeast “Boys High School Lacrosse” forum but it was suggested I post this in some of the other regions. None of this gospel; just thoughts and opinion and trying to help out parents who may have been as clueless as me in the beginning

I apologize ahead of time as this is a VERY VERY long post so I left a TL;DR summary at the top. There are also likely errors in this so I welcome any corrections. I also suspect these thoughts may hold true for the girl’s game but I don’t know anything about girl’s recruiting. Yes, I have too much time on my hands now the kids have moved on.

I am posting this as anonymous – I’m not notIntelligent (haha). This may generate a lot of thoughts, positive or negative but the point is to get a discussion going because I find there is very little actual recruiting help on these forums. I am sure many of the replies will be “bitter parent” “Ok Rebel Parent” or “team91 parent” or “Stunad” or “legacy dad” or “your kid graduated, why are you still on these forums you creeper”, etc. This is just one person’s opinion as someone who has gone through it (kid was a middie, on-age who ended up in a good D3 school) but had some D1 looks / offers so maybe this can be used to help others (or maybe I’m a coach……..). If you feel the need to comment, try to post something constructive. If you don’t like the post; scroll on by.

You may agree with 0%, 50% or 90% of it. It is important to note that these are just generalizations on a Bell Curve; there are always exceptions to the rules: there are some who got recruited way above their pay class and there also talented people who fell far in recruitment. This should apply to most but there are definitely outliers where people have forged their own paths. Tell us your stories!

For those whom this is TL;DR

1) Talent and connections trump everything, which leads into…
2) … being realistic about your kid’s ability as many parents cannot be “objective”
3) Be cognizant of how much you are projecting your own hopes and dreams onto your kid – don’t be that parent.
4) Some of you feel like you are running on a “Hamster Wheel” when it comes to recruiting. Find out what “Hamster Wheel” you want to be on – don’t be afraid to change wheels midstream
5) Have “fun” – but to be perfectly honest, if you are at the level where you are hoping to be recruited, I am not going to sit here and say having fun is the only thing that matters because that is BS. That being said, having fun is still important whether it be lacrosse, long road trips with your kids, having a meal with them, visiting colleges – all are fun.
6) Whatever college or trade school you kid ends up in, it will be perfectly OK in the end
7) Don’t believe what everyone tells you (including me). What may have worked for someone else may not work for you as I can guarantee you kid is so very different from everyone else.
8) Lacrosse is finite – don’t make short term decisions with long term consequences. It is Ok to sacrifice saying “my kid got into a low D1 school with poor academics” just for the sake of being D1. It will be better in the long run to apply to a better academic D1 school that has club, the MCLA’s or better academic D3 schools

Soooo, moving on these are the factors that I think of importance (from most to least) to get recruited:

1) Talent – trumps all – if your kid is already a superstar, most of this does not apply to you. If he/she don’t have as much talent, try to be realistic about their high level D1 / D3 dreams. Be very realistic about how your own child grades out. You may think they are superstar but if they haven’t competed on the national stage where the competition is the best, you cannot really know how good your kid is, even if everyone tells you they are the best. Be as objective as possible; rate your kid on a 100 point scale. Most players who are 93+ have a decent chance at a high D1/D3 school. Anything below that, it is going to be more difficult to get into the top schools and don’t punch way above you kid’s weight class when it comes to recruiting as it will lead to disappointment. However, there really is a lock for every key and if your kid really wants to play lacrosse, there are 400+ schools out there to play at. If you don’t have connections or talent, you will have to market the garbage out of yourself – go to showcases, prospect days, make good videos, email (the appropriate amount), sign up for recruiting services. But honestly, most of those all have minimal impact unless you have the connections but it’s all you got at that point.
2) Connections (High / Prep School or Club) – my kid went to several prospect days for schools as well as sent several emails to schools and he never heard a peep from any of them until a coach reached out on his behalf. I truly believe that this is the most important beyond talent. Coaches at all levels are getting hundreds of videos and thousands of email. They simply do not have the time to review them all or even open them. Having a coach call or email, allows you to jump to the top of the food chain (think Chutes and Ladders).
3) Grades – how could I leave this out in the original post! If you don’t have the grades, you aren’t getting into an elite school. Sports will help somewhat but you do have to have some sort of baseline decent grades.
4) Your kid’s High School prestige – there is line somewhere that separates the elite schools for lacrosse from the run-of-the-mill lacrosse high schools. If you are below that line, unless there is an individual connection, your chances of an elite D1/D3 school are slim to none without that connection. That being said, your high school play is still very important for recruiting for the other D1/D2/D3 schools because it is your high school coach that knows you best.
5) Your kid’s Club – same facts hold true as it does (#3) high school. I often get asked what club team should I chose. Do not balk at driving distance as a barrier. Sometimes you will have to drive far to get to a better club. To be honest, I would choose the best, highest ranked club because they play in the best tournaments (NAL, NLF, Crabfeast and Naptown, Great8) and try and get on their A squad at as young an age as possible. That way the club knows your child over time and will go to bat for you eventually. In addition, if you don’t make the top team, it gives you a chance to: work your way up to the A team or look for another club that may suit you better. That brings up the topic of A vs B. In reality, most B teams are not sending players to top D1/D3 schools (some are but that is not the norm). If being at a top lax school is not your goal then A vs B doesn’t matter as much because plenty of B players play college lacrosse. My kid was on a team that did not think much about his game. He was at a small local club and so he made the jump to a national club. He started on their C team and worked his way up to started on the top team so it is possible. Finally, understand these clubs are in the MONEY MAKING business as most are for-profit. They will sell you a bridge to nowhere as long as they get your tuition checks. Here is how I break them down:
a. Some are outright frauds. They don’t care and they just want your money
b. Some put together some half -hearted attempts at recruiting – they go through the motions but are not really making phone calls on your kids behalf
c. Others really only promote their best players. These are also fraudulent as they put all their time and effort into marketing their best players only, while the rest remain tution check to support those best players.
d. Finally, there are some truly excellent programs who will do their best to place a kid anywhere whether it be the best D1 program to the worst D3 program.
e. I would be remiss if I didn’t mention National teams and National tournaments – on paper, it is a very good idea but part of me says there is a money grab aspect. You can even see multiple clubs joining together to make national team (eg CLCA). I think it is the next evolution and I would not be surprised if National tournaments become the norm with local tournaments still existing but becoming second fiddle.
Coaches will tell you they will help you with recruiting but the reality is they do not want to put their name out there to back you if there is a lacrosse:talent mismatch. So if your Johnny rates as an 80, don’t ask your coach to get you into Syracuse because they won’t do it. It is a shame that some clubs promise you the world but don’t help you even though are paying $2000-4000 for your club; for them to not help you is just fraudulent. How to tell if a club is real or not? Look at their website. A good one would post a list of ALL their commits, not just the ones who get into top D1 schools which usually means they had a favorite player. Look at their social media. Are all of their posts only about 1-5 of their top kids? Finally, word of mouth – talk to the older kids and kids who have moved through the program; not the superstars but the average ones who had college lax dreams.
6) Prospect Days – this is the best way to get in front of a school on an individual basis. However, many of these are pure money grabs. We have been to several where no one was filming, coaches had no paper or they were not writing anything down. Clearly no evaluation was going on. It does allow you to get in front of the coaches and look at the campus. But I am somewhat cynical because if you were not already on their radar, a coach didn’t send you, or you were not invited, it is unlikely to be helpful.
7) Showcases- There are so many showcases out there. Many of them are money grabs and really garbage showcases. How do you know what is a good showcase? I wish I knew the answer to that but I can say that if the showcase has a good list of head coaches then it is going to be pretty good. If the communication is pretty good, then that is also a good sign. I will throw it out there and say good ones are Showtime, The Players Series, Spotlight, ECD, Lacrosse Masters, Main Stage, NXT Fall, The Show, Juniors Open, Main Stage. Then there are the average showcases (3D, adrenaline, my lacrosse tournaments, Elite 100, Elite 180, GFW, Q4, Victory, Maryland Showcase). UA and National All Star Games are very good but very political. 1%, FiveStar and Apex are very heavily marketed but have found them to be more glitz than substance. What is important to know is nobody is going to be “discovered” at most of these so do not think your kid is going to show up and “kill it” and get recruited by Duke. Coaches usually have a list of players they are there to see and if the kid does well, then they reach out. Finally, no one cares about wins and losses at showcase so don’t be that parent.
8) Recruiting video – coaches are getting hundreds of video so they may never even open your video or emails. That being said, video is still 100% necessary in this day and age of recruiting. If they do open it, you want your intro to be brief and you want to front load your 5-star highlights. Some say don’t use music; my feeling is they can always mute it. Try to film your own video even though it is a pain in the arse. Much of the paid tournament videos offered are expensive and very poor quality. It is a pain in the butt to film your own highlight video but you will have a much higher quality video that is zoomed in appropriately. Iphone and imovie work perfectly fine or invest in a cheap HD camcorder. Some of the biggest mistakes I’ve seen: inappropriate offensive music, not zooming in on your child, including highlights that aren’t highlights, not highlighting /circling your player in the video (you know your kid so it’s easy to pick out for you but most coaches, it’s pretty hard to pick up to the player in that 4 second clip). Some say, don’t make it longer than 2 minutes; my feeling is most coaches aren’t watching past 1 minute (if they open it) and if you give a 6 minute highlight video they can always just shut it off.
9) Position – kids are specializing more and more (SSDM, FOGO, LSM and goalies). If you are really good at your position, you stand a very good chance. If you are mediocre, you better show that you can do other things. At the Prospect Days, I have noticed more and more defenders and less middies which stinks for defense, that stinks because I think that is also the hardest position to get recruited at. Goalies always fill first so get in early. If you are not looking high level, none of this is as important
10) Recruiting profiles (NCSA, SportsRecruit, ConnectLax, CaptainU) – these are likely only helpful for the mid-lower Tier D1, D2, D3 schools. The top schools will not or do not use these services – they do everything through connections.

Additional comments, myths and facts?

1. I am assuming that most people “try to punch up” with their recruiting (ie they will try and overachieve with their lacrosse ambitions) so be patient, be realistic and don’t be disappointed. There is a “lock for every key” as there are over 400 lacrosse colleges. If you really want to play lacrosse, you will find a school.
2. Re-class – there is so much detest on this forum about re-classed players. Unfortunately, it is here to stay until colleges and clubs change their mind (USA Lacrosse has zero ability or desire to change this). Colleges and clubs don’t want to change because they want the most mature and physically gifted players so they could care less that your kid is on-age. Some kids re-class for legit reasons (maturity, academics). But some also re-class to try and get into a better school. IMHO, re-classing is destroying the sport but it’s here to stay. It is completely unfair but totally within the rules. Why on earth would someone re-class for lacrosse reasons only is beyond me. I can’t imagine how dominant my kid would have been if he was going against kids 1 -3 years younger.
3. Lacrosse players are not getting a full scholarship: Full scholarships are uncommon and most will only get a very small amount of money
4. Lacrosse is finite: I think lacrosse carries on forever whether it be a playing in beer league, coaching, raising your own kid, etc. But in terms of a career, very few people go on to make a living out of playing lacrosse. Lacrosse has a finite end and for some it ends after high school; some after college. Don’t make short term decision with long term consequences
5. Commit vs Preferred-Walk-on vs Walk-on – I know very little about this. All I can say is that if you are a preferred walk-on you are on the team but you don’t always travel. If you tryout and walk-on (not preferred), there are generally very little chances or spots at the high collegiate level but probably plenty at the lower caliber schools
6. Prep vs Private vs Catholic – depends what part of the country you live. Not all preps are lacrosse powerhouses nor are all catholic schools. There are a few public schools that carry a lot of weight but chances are your high school does not; you will know
7. PG – from what I have been told, do not PG unless it is arranged ahead of time with a college who specifically said you should PG. There are plenty of PG’s who PG but do so without a college talking to them. There are even PG schools out there. They still eventually get into lacrosse schools but it usually is not a step up to playing for Duke / Virginia / Syracuse / Yale etc. That being said, some need to PG for academic and maturity reasons.
8. How often should I email a coach – I believe coaches are getting hundreds of emails. Chances are, they are not going to read or even open your email (at least at the high D1 or high D3 level). That being said – maybe once a month and always have some sort of update whether it being lacrosse or academic.
9. Don’t be that lacrosse dad or mom. Honestly, be quiet. Don’t coach your son on the field. Don’t yell “wheels” “ward” “offsides” and ride the refs. Coaches do actually notice this. They don’t care so much at the collegiate level because they can limit the parent’s sphere of influence but somewhere in the back of their mind, they are wondering if the apple doesn’t fall from the tree when they are recruiting. No one cares that you were once a superstar or failed athlete. Everyone can see you are projecting who you once were or wanted to be onto your child
10. The Grass is Not Always Greener (See Clubs above) – it’s OK to be a club hopper – we jumped clubs and it worked out for the better but it doesn’t always. Just make sure you are doing it because there are faults with the club and not faults with you or your kid. Most parents cannot tell the difference sadly. If you do go club hopping, make sure you latch on to one before high school because making the change after high school is very difficult
11. The New England region and Long Island used to be center of the lacrosse universe. That is no longer the case. I believe it is currently the MidAtlantic (re-class) but areas such as the South (Fl, GA, TX), Midwest (Il, MI) and West (CA, CO) are producing amazing players along with New England and LI still being very good
12. D1 vs D2 vs D3
a. D1 – I think a lot of kids can play D1 as there are some D1 schools that are not as competitive out there and would be happy to take all sorts of talent. The only thing I would advise is don’t go D1 for the sake of going D1. D1 is also a full time job so they have to juggle academics with their lacrosse.
b. D2 – they do offer scholarships. Some are great schools and great lacrosse programs but academically I have found they are not as good as some of the D1 and D3 schools
c. D3 – I do not believe they offer sport scholarships but will offer other scholarships. Even though D1 is a full time job, D3 is also very busy especially in the spring. The main difference is the 20 hours in the fall that D1 has that D3 does not but D3 still practices in the fall. D3 probably has the largest cohort of schools from incredibly competitive to very mediocre.
d. MCLA – do not overlook these schools. Some are top academic institutions (Stanford, Rice, GaTech, etc)
e. Club lacrosse – also do not overlook this. Totally OK.

Timeline – don’t get sad if all your friends commit on 9/1 of their junior year. D3 doesn’t make offers until later and sometimes D1 makes commitments as late as December of your senior year. Patience, young grasshopper.

D1 - You cannot be contacted by anyone for recruiting until September 1 of your junior year. That being said, they can reach out to you with camps and prospect days but not personally. Now obviously kids who verbally commit on 9/1 must have had some contacts with the colleges but most of it is through high school / clubs

D2 – June 15 after the sophomore year

D3 – I believe they can talk at any time but some of the NESCACs adopt D1 rules. D3 offers do not go out until June (or July?) 1 after their junior year

Choosing a school: it will be a multitude of factors but this is what I think plays into it (in no order)

1) Academics – imho, don’t sacrifice this for lacrosse, but that being said, you will probably be fine at any school depending on what you make out of it
2) D1 vs D2 vs D3 – similar to above – don’t get caught up on the D1 Hamster Wheel – plenty of good options out there
3) Starter vs bench – some kids just want to be part of a process; some need to be the superstar. Find out where your kid is and if you are realistic, it may open doors and don’t shoot for the stars, it may open up a lot of schools.
4) Conference they play in and level of competition
5) Money – it matters. There are some very rich people on these forums who don’t realize that. That being said, most are not getting full sports scholarships.
6) Coaches and their coaching philosophy – this has to be the right fit
7) Lacrosse is finite – don’t choose a school because of a lacrosse

Well I am sure I left a lot out. Let the detest begin (haha). But seriously, try and help out your fellow lax members with something constructive. Everyone enjoy the ride though. It was great for me, my wife and all our kids.


Great post. Thanks for sharing. You mentioned that you don't know much about girls recruiting so i thought I'd add my 2 cents, having been with it across both girls and boys.

Agree with everything with a couple builds for girls

1) High School means much less for girls and much more for boys. I had a 21 commit to an ACC school and no coach every asked for or looked at a second of high school film. The school we committed to spoke to her high school coach for less than 2 minutes asking basic work ethic questions.

2) Club hopping is more much frowned upon. Moving once is ok. Moving twice and you will need to explain why

3) Talent is much more consolidated on the girls side. There are a few events that nearly every top player in the country attend. (Lax for the Cure, Live Love Lax). You are missing out if you aren't there.

4) There is much more "unofficial" communication between coaches and club recruiting directors on the girls side. We knew exactly who would be calling and offering on 9/1. Also much more aggressive promotion of prospect days.

5) The girls process moved much faster, especially for top 25 schools. By mid-October, most top 20 schools were done recruiting with the exception of PWOs who aren't getting any $$. Also, scholarship $$ for boys are much more evenly split than for girls.
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I would probably have your kid go transgender and you’ll probably get more scholarship money. It’s worked in swimming why not lacrosse
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I would probably have your kid go transgender and you’ll probably get more scholarship money. It’s worked in swimming why not lacrosse

Says the guy who couldn't cut it himself as a "man". lost
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I think all D3 schools have “slots” but we have been specifically told that lax doesn’t really help you; you have to get into the school on your own merits for the most part.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think all D3 schools have “slots” but we have been specifically told that lax doesn’t really help you; you have to get into the school on your own merits for the most part.

Not true. Slotted D3 players don’t need the same GPA and test scores as a typical student. I’m living proof of that! Went to a top 20 D3 school as a “recruited” player with considerably lower numbers than average applicant.
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No I am saying there are a very few schools where lax doesn’t matter. If you are living proof of that; I am asking if you went to MIT because they are one of those school
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No I am saying there are a very few schools where lax doesn’t matter. If you are living proof of that; I am asking if you went to MIT because they are one of those school

Go it. Yes, some schools like MIT don’t care but most do.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
No I am saying there are a very few schools where lax doesn’t matter. If you are living proof of that; I am asking if you went to MIT because they are one of those school

Go it. Yes, some schools like MIT don’t care but most do.

MIT coach support doesn't make a difference in admissions but I appreciate that they tell kids that their support of an applicant does little (at least in my experiences). NESCAC puts recruits in bands and coaches get a particular number of "slots" in each band (perhaps a bit oversimplified):
A band is admissible without coach support
B band is admissible with coach support
C band is blue chip recruit but lower academic profile...teams only get one or two of these kids
It's important for families to ask college coaches about results of pre-read process (July following 11th grade)when considering highly-selectives. This is hugely valuable information and can let a recruit know exactly where he stands in eyes of admissions. More recently, pre-reads can also tell a recruit whether he should submit test scores or not which takes the guessing out of it that non student-athletes have to deal with (ivy, nescac, centennial coaches all share this).
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Helpful information. Agree that that the pre-read process is essential. What percentage of kids do you think end up not getting their choice despite passing the pre-read? Also agree that the MIT coaches are very transparent which is a rarity. What other schools does a coaches support not help that much?
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Malvern is the highest ranked team in PA (#14). I'm a little surprised no one else in the Philly area cracked the top 25.....especially Haverford.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Malvern is the highest ranked team in PA (#14). I'm a little surprised no one else in the Philly area cracked the top 25.....especially Haverford.

That won't last long, Haverford will end up in the top 25, MP won't.
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High School lacrosse is so much more fun than club lacrosse....despite the fact that it is probably not as good with most teams.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
High School lacrosse is so much more fun than club lacrosse....despite the fact that it is probably not as good with most teams.

So true! My daughter loves playing in HS and on her HS team. Way more than playing on her club team! The girls in school have more camaraderie and seem to root for each other more. Club starts to become individually competitive
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
High School lacrosse is so much more fun than club lacrosse....despite the fact that it is probably not as good with most teams.

So true! My daughter loves playing in HS and on her HS team. Way more than playing on her club team! The girls in school have more camaraderie and seem to root for each other more. Club starts to become individually competitive

Same with my daughters, lasagna and dance parties, fun stickers and car ensembles! Club girls seems less teamy and not as much fun, no parties and no get togethers or digital hangouts like high school team. My youngest son does not have school lacrosse yet and the club seems to have roster rotation, and every year everyone is new so far, and hoping school will be better when he gets to middle and high school. Is this typical experience for girls and boys?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
High School lacrosse is so much more fun than club lacrosse....despite the fact that it is probably not as good with most teams.

So true! My daughter loves playing in HS and on her HS team. Way more than playing on her club team! The girls in school have more camaraderie and seem to root for each other more. Club starts to become individually competitive

Same with my daughters, lasagna and dance parties, fun stickers and car ensembles! Club girls seems less teamy and not as much fun, no parties and no get togethers or digital hangouts like high school team. My youngest son does not have school lacrosse yet and the club seems to have roster rotation, and every year everyone is new so far, and hoping school will be better when he gets to middle and high school. Is this typical experience for girls and boys?

Let's hope for a comeback in spirit bracelets and barrettes! Most fun EVER!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
High School lacrosse is so much more fun than club lacrosse....despite the fact that it is probably not as good with most teams.

So true! My daughter loves playing in HS and on her HS team. Way more than playing on her club team! The girls in school have more camaraderie and seem to root for each other more. Club starts to become individually competitive

Same with my daughters, lasagna and dance parties, fun stickers and car ensembles! Club girls seems less teamy and not as much fun, no parties and no get togethers or digital hangouts like high school team. My youngest son does not have school lacrosse yet and the club seems to have roster rotation, and every year everyone is new so far, and hoping school will be better when he gets to middle and high school. Is this typical experience for girls and boys?

Let's hope for a comeback in spirit bracelets and barrettes! Most fun EVER!

Ok sarcastic Sal! I know you dudes don’t believe in the fun aspect of playing a sport. However, that is what keeps it from becoming a job! Parents are taking the fun out if it for their kids. That’s why the kids like HS ball more. A lot less parents involved!!! Like you!
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Agreed......Club ball is less about the team and more about the player. HS lacrosse is fun and is centered around the team. The better HS programs and coaches get it right and the kids can play in front of their classmates. Way better atmosphere....don't even get started on the parents. We all have "those" parents on the club circuit....they are the worst.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
High School lacrosse is so much more fun than club lacrosse....despite the fact that it is probably not as good with most teams.

So true! My daughter loves playing in HS and on her HS team. Way more than playing on her club team! The girls in school have more camaraderie and seem to root for each other more. Club starts to become individually competitive

Same with my daughters, lasagna and dance parties, fun stickers and car ensembles! Club girls seems less teamy and not as much fun, no parties and no get togethers or digital hangouts like high school team. My youngest son does not have school lacrosse yet and the club seems to have roster rotation, and every year everyone is new so far, and hoping school will be better when he gets to middle and high school. Is this typical experience for girls and boys?

Let's hope for a comeback in spirit bracelets and barrettes! Most fun EVER!

Ok sarcastic Sal! I know you dudes don’t believe in the fun aspect of playing a sport. However, that is what keeps it from becoming a job! Parents are taking the fun out if it for their kids. That’s why the kids like HS ball more. A lot less parents involved!!! Like you!

Why are you putting down enthusiasm for spirit and what our girls teams like....go outside and do a spirit cheer, you might feel better!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
High School lacrosse is so much more fun than club lacrosse....despite the fact that it is probably not as good with most teams.

So true! My daughter loves playing in HS and on her HS team. Way more than playing on her club team! The girls in school have more camaraderie and seem to root for each other more. Club starts to become individually competitive

Same with my daughters, lasagna and dance parties, fun stickers and car ensembles! Club girls seems less teamy and not as much fun, no parties and no get togethers or digital hangouts like high school team. My youngest son does not have school lacrosse yet and the club seems to have roster rotation, and every year everyone is new so far, and hoping school will be better when he gets to middle and high school. Is this typical experience for girls and boys?

Let's hope for a comeback in spirit bracelets and barrettes! Most fun EVER!

Ok sarcastic Sal! I know you dudes don’t believe in the fun aspect of playing a sport. However, that is what keeps it from becoming a job! Parents are taking the fun out if it for their kids. That’s why the kids like HS ball more. A lot less parents involved!!! Like you!

Why are you putting down enthusiasm for spirit and what our girls teams like....go outside and do a spirit cheer, you might feel better!

Going down to Flingers sometimes Chotchkies loaded with at least thirty five pieces of flair and stickers. Those are the days.No way some squatty grump takes away the spirit and fun. Ribbon bracelets are also back in bright colors.
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I realize the talent pool is a little bit deeper down in the Hoco League but just for the sake of discussion how would winners of the Mid Atlantic Spring league fair against Hoco winners? Would any of our local clubs give their winners a game?
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26 Tigers can play with them, so can 27 Team Ten and Mesa, only the 28 level I think only Freedom can run with the Maryland guys
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Good luck this weekend team PA! Represent our area with on age boys!!!
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And you’ve got a few 2029 teams like Team 11, NXT and Dukes, a few 2030 like Dukes and DTown Dawgs that all beat some of those HoCo teams last summer and this fall in tourneys.
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And you’ve got a few 2029 teams like Team 11, NXT and Dukes, a few 2030 like Dukes and DTown Dawgs that all beat some of those HoCo teams last summer and this fall in tourneys.

Seems like a no brainer for NXT to organize a showcase where the winners of their Spring league plays the winners of the Hoco league
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
And you’ve got a few 2029 teams like Team 11, NXT and Dukes, a few 2030 like Dukes and DTown Dawgs that all beat some of those HoCo teams last summer and this fall in tourneys.

Seems like a no brainer for NXT to organize a showcase where the winners of their Spring league plays the winners of the Hoco league

Love to hear more about the proposed format of this showcase. Please expand your thoughts and let's get this discussion going.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And you’ve got a few 2029 teams like Team 11, NXT and Dukes, a few 2030 like Dukes and DTown Dawgs that all beat some of those HoCo teams last summer and this fall in tourneys.

Seems like a no brainer for NXT to organize a showcase where the winners of their Spring league plays the winners of the Hoco league

Love to hear more about the proposed format of this showcase. Please expand your thoughts and let's get this discussion going.

First thought?-There are 5 age groups in NXT/Mid Atlantic league 26-30. The 5 age group winners of that league play the same age group winners from the Hoco league. The winning team of each age group would be “Mid-Atlantic Cup” Champion or whatever name they come up with for the showcase. But since there would be 5 teams/games whichever league wins the most games i.e. 3-2, 4-1 whatever, that league would get to hold the “Cup” for that season, regional bragging rights. The showcase or championship games would alternate each year between the Proving Grounds and wherever they play their games for Hoco.
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Malvern is the highest ranked team in PA (#14). I'm a little surprised no one else in the Philly area cracked the top 25.....especially Haverford.

That won't last long, Haverford will end up in the top 25, MP won't.


InterAc season starts today:
Malvern v Haverford (clearly the main event)
Episcopal v Germantown
Springside v Penn Charter
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Malvern is the highest ranked team in PA (#14). I'm a little surprised no one else in the Philly area cracked the top 25.....especially Haverford.

That won't last long, Haverford will end up in the top 25, MP won't.


InterAc season starts today:
Malvern v Haverford (clearly the main event)
Episcopal v Germantown
Springside v Penn Charter

Haverford out coached. Mac continues to rule over the new guy and the maniac running the box for Haverford needs to go. Looks like a 4-peat for MP this year!
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Watched the MP/Haverford game - in the second half Malvern's D ate up Haverford while Haverford's D struggled with one on one situations and sliding.
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Watched the MP/Haverford game - in the second half Malvern's D ate up Haverford while Haverford's D struggled with one on one situations and sliding.

Confirmed:
MP 3-1-5-4 13
HS 2-3-1-0 6
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Malvern is the highest ranked team in PA (#14). I'm a little surprised no one else in the Philly area cracked the top 25.....especially Haverford.

That won't last long, Haverford will end up in the top 25, MP won't.


InterAc season starts today:
Malvern v Haverford (clearly the main event)
Episcopal v Germantown
Springside v Penn Charter

Haverford out coached. Mac continues to rule over the new guy and the maniac running the box for Haverford needs to go. Looks like a 4-peat for MP this year!
I am going to guess that your son goes to Malvern....just a guess.
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Malvern lost some top players in the country this year but they still have plenty of talent. I would agree that Haverford is the favorite. I think this is LaSalle's year in AAA. Allentown Central Catholic looks like they will be the team to beat in AA but don't count out WC Rustin....some great playmakers.
Watch out for SCH in the InterAc. The aid floodgates for opened for next year as they are adding some strong transfers and a loaded incoming freshman class. they won't be up with Malvern and Haverford, but will surpass EA.

EA has a spectacular FOGO that can be a real difference maker with possession as the rest of their team isn't on par with Haverford or Malvern this year. Very Lehigh"esque." Not the overall talent of most teams but always get possession.

I can't see much changing this spring in the interac:
1 HS (too deep, too talented)
2 MP (ditto)
3 EA (best of the rest)
4 GA (virtually all starters returning but...)
5 SCH (0-10 league record last year, have to be better)
6 PC (finished 5 last year but graduated key players from that team)

halfway through interac season and things playing out as scripted:
MP 5-0
HS 4-1
EA 3-2
GA 2-3
SCH 1-4
PC 0-5
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halfway through interac season and things playing out as scripted:
MP 5-0
HS 4-1
EA 3-2
GA 2-3
SCH 1-4
PC 0-5[/quote]

EA takes down MP! Without their all american FOGO...that is good coaching folks! Meanwhile, Haverford has all the horses with NO jockeys. Their coaching staff is awful...fight amongst themselves and with other team's parents.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
halfway through interac season and things playing out as scripted:
MP 5-0
HS 4-1
EA 3-2
GA 2-3
SCH 1-4
PC 0-5

EA takes down MP! Without their all american FOGO...that is good coaching folks! Meanwhile, Haverford has all the horses with NO jockeys. Their coaching staff is awful...fight amongst themselves and with other team's parents.[/quote]

Dude running the box is a clown. Wasn't even allowed to speak when Noty was there and now he is Daw's right hand man. SMH
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Looks like MP is the #1 team in Philly area still.
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How do you figure that? The season isn’t over yet you still have playoffs and they need to beat one team for a 3rd time (hard to do) and the other split with them , I would wait till the season is over to announce who is number one.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
How do you figure that? The season isn’t over yet you still have playoffs and they need to beat one team for a 3rd time (hard to do) and the other split with them , I would wait till the season is over to announce who is number one.

One word: Coaching.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
How do you figure that? The season isn’t over yet you still have playoffs and they need to beat one team for a 3rd time (hard to do) and the other split with them , I would wait till the season is over to announce who is number one.

One word: Coaching.

Malvern has so much talent (they didn't rebuild, they reloaded) and so much of it is young
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Posted in another forum:

AS high school comes to an end, which is more fun for your kid (or you), Club or High School lacrosse?

Most favored high school citing factors such as:

-Games meaning more to them especially wins and losses. They didn't care as much about W-L's in club
-More team camaraderie with high school. These are kids they (obviously) go to school with and know better. Club sometimes feels like hired mercenaries
-If you are the better player, then you play more whereas with Club, since everyone is (presumably) paying the same, playing time is split more evenly
-Spring lacrosse after a barren Winter season feels more refreshing where summer club can be a slog sometimes
-High school coaches care more than club coaches about the kids?
-Cheaper than club (unless you pay for private school)
-Less traveling
-Playing against a team of holdbacks may be less prevalent in high school (except Prep schools)
-More emotional investment in the town you live in or (the school you are paying for for Prep). True rivalries seem to mean more in high school and thus,there is more emotional investment

Those who favored Club cited factors such as:

-the level of competition is better and teammates are usually better, at least at the higher levels of Club lacrosse
-traveling around the country with your kid is a (sometimes) rewarding experience
-some like the national exposure of some of the high level Club lacrosse
-even playing time as some players may get buried on a high school bench

Recruiting-wise, it was a wash but I feel that High School recruiting is better than Club recruiting. I have heard stories of Club making a million promises but never delivering when it comes to recruiting, unless you are the superstar of the club. I have been told (but could be mistaken) is that colleges value the high school coach opinion much more than the club coach.

There seems to be a temporal nature to it. Youth club was much more rewarding than youth town lacrosse but as the kids get older, high school becomes more important to kids. I would even venture to say that club has much less meaning to 22's, 23's and maybe 24's.

It also seemed that this logic does not apply to the outliers such as the top national high school teams in the country or the bottom lower clubs. In addition, most of this logic may not apply to the superstars (top 0.5% of players in the country).

Just curious to everyone's thoughts. There truly are no right answers as it is only an opinion that can be formed wholly dependent on your own experience.
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All I am saying is the season isn’t over yet , once the inter act chip is played and if they win then yes they would be top in pa. Even tho Haverford lost twice to them the second game went to Ot and Bates crew were well coached against them and won that’s what the inter act is about two season games and them playoffs to decide the winner, all the teams in the inter act are well coached and play monster non league games but until the chip is played the top three are pretty equal and could go one way or the other so enjoy the games and match ups because the playoffs and chip will be really good lax
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
All I am saying is the season isn’t over yet , once the inter act chip is played and if they win then yes they would be top in pa. Even tho Haverford lost twice to them the second game went to Ot and Bates crew were well coached against them and won that’s what the inter act is about two season games and them playoffs to decide the winner, all the teams in the inter act are well coached and play monster non league games but until the chip is played the top three are pretty equal and could go one way or the other so enjoy the games and match ups because the playoffs and chip will be really good lax


Big game tomorrow (5/13/22):
EA vs Haverford (both are 7-2 in league play, winner will get sole possession of 2nd place)
Haverford won first meeting 10-9 in OT
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Nice to see that Radnor downed Salesianum 10-8 yesterday. Score one for the public schools! Salesianum has beaten some nationally regarded teams this year.
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I am all for cheering for public schools vs private so I am happy for the win but still tough to cheer for Radnor, the are like private school light.....
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nice to see that Radnor downed Salesianum 10-8 yesterday. Score one for the public schools! Salesianum has beaten some nationally regarded teams this year.

MP is back posting
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I am all for cheering for public schools vs private so I am happy for the win but still tough to cheer for Radnor, the are like private school light.....


Not sure why Radnor is "private school light". Do they have reclass/holdbacks? Do they recruit people to come to their school? If so, then you are right. Not sure that is the case though.

Is Radnor a nice section of town that can afford to have a lot of their kids play club lacrosse? Yes. But at the end of the day, you have to have the natural talent, desire, and the grittiness in order to succeed. How are Radnor's baseball and track teams? Radnor's culture for both boys and girls seems to be that a lot of their best athletes choose to play lacrosse as opposed to the other two sports. At other schools, maybe the more athletic kids may play baseball/softball or track. Would love to hear from someone from Radnor as to whether this is true.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am all for cheering for public schools vs private so I am happy for the win but still tough to cheer for Radnor, the are like private school light.....

Yeah not exactly. Radnor is a public school - no recruiting, no holdbacks, limited funding for their program compared to the inter ac and other private schools. Radnor is so good because of their youth program which has been great for decades now and their coaching. And yet, they still lose tons of players to private schools every year - many private schools' best players are from Radnor and played in theit youth program. I think that it's hard for you to cheer for them because you are either a private school parent or the parent of a struggling public school. I'm sure you would have said the same thing for Conestoga and Springfield in the early and mid 2010's. Give those boys some credit.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am all for cheering for public schools vs private so I am happy for the win but still tough to cheer for Radnor, the are like private school light.....

Yeah not exactly. Radnor is a public school - no recruiting, no holdbacks, limited funding for their program compared to the inter ac and other private schools. Radnor is so good because of their youth program which has been great for decades now and their coaching. And yet, they still lose tons of players to private schools every year - many private schools' best players are from Radnor and played in theit youth program. I think that it's hard for you to cheer for them because you are either a private school parent or the parent of a struggling public school. I'm sure you would have said the same thing for Conestoga and Springfield in the early and mid 2010's. Give those boys some credit.

No - Probably because they know MP and don't like him. #staypublic but only since 2017!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am all for cheering for public schools vs private so I am happy for the win but still tough to cheer for Radnor, the are like private school light.....

Yeah not exactly. Radnor is a public school - no recruiting, no holdbacks, limited funding for their program compared to the inter ac and other private schools. Radnor is so good because of their youth program which has been great for decades now and their coaching. And yet, they still lose tons of players to private schools every year - many private schools' best players are from Radnor and played in theit youth program. I think that it's hard for you to cheer for them because you are either a private school parent or the parent of a struggling public school. I'm sure you would have said the same thing for Conestoga and Springfield in the early and mid 2010's. Give those boys some credit.

Limited funding - Except for their booster club $$. No holdbacks - Except for the kids who started kindergarten late (little secret of the rich). MP is a great coaching mind so there has been a resurgence. But you can't compare Radnor to Springfield or Ridley!
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I don't get the MP detest? Did he cut your kid?
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I don't get the MP detest? Did he cut your kid?

No just took thousands of dollars for a sub-par product.
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Radnor breaks into the Inside Lacrosse Top 25

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/arti...high-school-power-rankings-week-11/59669
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am all for cheering for public schools vs private so I am happy for the win but still tough to cheer for Radnor, the are like private school light.....

Yeah not exactly. Radnor is a public school - no recruiting, no holdbacks, limited funding for their program compared to the inter ac and other private schools. Radnor is so good because of their youth program which has been great for decades now and their coaching. And yet, they still lose tons of players to private schools every year - many private schools' best players are from Radnor and played in theit youth program. I think that it's hard for you to cheer for them because you are either a private school parent or the parent of a struggling public school. I'm sure you would have said the same thing for Conestoga and Springfield in the early and mid 2010's. Give those boys some credit.

Springfield is the only area that can boast their youth programs funnel right up to high school success. They have a true culture. Radnor youth programs are nothing except well funded. Also, if the youth programs were the key then WC East, Rustin and Henderson would all be undefeated as WC youth lax is a whole different level. I give Radnor high props but don't act like their kids are all on age (I know two personally that started school late and know through them of others) or the youth programs leads to their success. The deep pocketed parents paying for year round training are the key.
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Malvern lost some top players in the country this year but they still have plenty of talent. I would agree that Haverford is the favorite. I think this is LaSalle's year in AAA. Allentown Central Catholic looks like they will be the team to beat in AA but don't count out WC Rustin....some great playmakers.
Watch out for SCH in the InterAc. The aid floodgates for opened for next year as they are adding some strong transfers and a loaded incoming freshman class. they won't be up with Malvern and Haverford, but will surpass EA.

EA has a spectacular FOGO that can be a real difference maker with possession as the rest of their team isn't on par with Haverford or Malvern this year. Very Lehigh"esque." Not the overall talent of most teams but always get possession.

I can't see much changing this spring in the interac:
1 HS (too deep, too talented)
2 MP (ditto)
3 EA (best of the rest)
4 GA (virtually all starters returning but...)
5 SCH (0-10 league record last year, have to be better)
6 PC (finished 5 last year but graduated key players from that team)

halfway through interac season and things playing out as scripted:
MP 5-0
HS 4-1
EA 3-2
GA 2-3
SCH 1-4
PC 0-5

Final Standings (it would appear that theboy schools have an advantage)
MP
HS
EA
PC
GA
SCH
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I am all for cheering for public schools vs private so I am happy for the win but still tough to cheer for Radnor, the are like private school light.....

Yeah not exactly. Radnor is a public school - no recruiting, no holdbacks, limited funding for their program compared to the inter ac and other private schools. Radnor is so good because of their youth program which has been great for decades now and their coaching. And yet, they still lose tons of players to private schools every year - many private schools' best players are from Radnor and played in theit youth program. I think that it's hard for you to cheer for them because you are either a private school parent or the parent of a struggling public school. I'm sure you would have said the same thing for Conestoga and Springfield in the early and mid 2010's. Give those boys some credit.

Springfield is the only area that can boast their youth programs funnel right up to high school success. They have a true culture. Radnor youth programs are nothing except well funded. Also, if the youth programs were the key then WC East, Rustin and Henderson would all be undefeated as WC youth lax is a whole different level. I give Radnor high props but don't act like their kids are all on age (I know two personally that started school late and know through them of others) or the youth programs leads to their success. The deep pocketed parents paying for year round training are the key.

Springfield Vs Radnor tonight at 7 pm.
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I believe that Avon Grove has a similar youth program that feeds singularly into the high school.
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I believe that Avon Grove has a similar youth program that feeds singularly into the high school.

They lose to many kids to Sallies.....they and Kennett would probably still be alive if all the kids stayed put.
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Big upset - Garnet valley takes down Lasalle, What happened to Lasalle. Second year in a row that they get knocked out in first round. Looked great at start of season. Big win over Radnor and looked to be contender for state championship. Talented face off kid struggled against GV player, one line of middies not enough, big shooter attackman on the sideline. Defense kept them in the game. Looks to be Radnors year again. Springfield might give them a fight.
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Is Garnet Valley the favorite in PIAA? Not counting Lasalle....

Garnet is stacked again, hopefully for them it doesn't come down to coaching or it will be a familiar result....



Neither of these comments from a few months ago are aging well. Big win for GV yesterday. Radnor is likely the favorite at this point.
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Is Garnet Valley the favorite in PIAA? Not counting Lasalle....

Garnet is stacked again, hopefully for them it doesn't come down to coaching or it will be a familiar result....



Neither of these comments from a few months ago are aging well. Big win for GV yesterday. Radnor is likely the favorite at this point.

Springfield vs Radnor re-match for state title
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Springfield vs Radnor re-match for state title

Springfield and Radnor are on a collision course to meet in the semi-final. Should be an awesome game.
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Main Line Vs the heart of Delco!
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Radnor vs. Garnet Valley for the state championship on Saturday at noon. While Radnor is likely the favorite, GV has upped their game to the next level over the last month. Should be a good one.
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Radnor vs. Garnet Valley for the state championship on Saturday at noon. While Radnor is likely the favorite, GV has upped their game to the next level over the last month. Should be a good one.

State champ was weeks ago. MP won.
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Radnor vs. Garnet Valley for the state championship on Saturday at noon. While Radnor is likely the favorite, GV has upped their game to the next level over the last month. Should be a good one.

State champ was weeks ago. MP won.



MP keepin' it classy...
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Radnor vs. Garnet Valley for the state championship on Saturday at noon. While Radnor is likely the favorite, GV has upped their game to the next level over the last month. Should be a good one.

State champ was weeks ago. MP won.
No one is saying Radnor or GV would beat Malvern, but we also aren't paying for those wins.
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Radnor vs. Garnet Valley for the state championship on Saturday at noon. While Radnor is likely the favorite, GV has upped their game to the next level over the last month. Should be a good one.

State champ was weeks ago. MP won.


Thank you Captain Obvious. You must be a first year MP dad whose kid didn’t crack the varsity lineup but felt like that check you wrote for $38k earns you the rite to flex on this page. Either that or you’re a hammerhead MP freshman taking a break between popping zits to post a typical lax bro meathead response.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Radnor vs. Garnet Valley for the state championship on Saturday at noon. While Radnor is likely the favorite, GV has upped their game to the next level over the last month. Should be a good one.

State champ was weeks ago. MP won.


Thank you Captain Obvious. You must be a first year MP dad whose kid didn’t crack the varsity lineup but felt like that check you wrote for $38k earns you the rite to flex on this page. Either that or you’re a hammerhead MP freshman taking a break between popping zits to post a typical lax bro meathead response.

State Champs with no geographical boundaries or age requirements....you sound about as big a DB as the St Joe Prep parents when they win in football...
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State Champs with no geographical boundaries or age requirements....you sound about as big a DB as the St Joe Prep parents when they win in football...[/quote]

As the parent of boys in public school I agree on the geography, but there are no age requirements in public schools either. My one son is a june bday and has plenty of kids his grade that are a year+ older than him.
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How does a kid that graduated last week make the UA team?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
State Champs with no geographical boundaries or age requirements....you sound about as big a DB as the St Joe Prep parents when they win in football...

As the parent of boys in public school I agree on the geography, but there are no age requirements in public schools either. My one son is a june bday and has plenty of kids his grade that are a year+ older than him.[/quote]

Maybe there is no requirements, but there will be much fewer holdbacks in publics! Tax dollars will not allow kids to be held back on a parents whim. It Has to be a very valid reason and sports do not count!

holdback scenario is more of an elitist “play”. Ones who can afford privates and pay to holdback and it is the norm. Pay fir a clear advantage! Needs to stop.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
State Champs with no geographical boundaries or age requirements....you sound about as big a DB as the St Joe Prep parents when they win in football...

As the parent of boys in public school I agree on the geography, but there are no age requirements in public schools either. My one son is a june bday and has plenty of kids his grade that are a year+ older than him.

Maybe there is no requirements, but there will be much fewer holdbacks in publics! Tax dollars will not allow kids to be held back on a parents whim. It Has to be a very valid reason and sports do not count!

holdback scenario is more of an elitist “play”. Ones who can afford privates and pay to holdback and it is the norm. Pay fir a clear advantage! Needs to stop.[/quote]
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
State Champs with no geographical boundaries or age requirements....you sound about as big a DB as the St Joe Prep parents when they win in football...

As the parent of boys in public school I agree on the geography, but there are no age requirements in public schools either. My one son is a june bday and has plenty of kids his grade that are a year+ older than him.

Maybe there is no requirements, but there will be much fewer holdbacks in publics! Tax dollars will not allow kids to be held back on a parents whim. It Has to be a very valid reason and sports do not count!

holdback scenario is more of an elitist “play”. Ones who can afford privates and pay to holdback and it is the norm. Pay fir a clear advantage! Needs to stop.
[/quote]

Parents put up one year's catholic school tuition to have their son do 8th grade again and then re-enter the public HS. Elitist? Not really. It worked for a starting middie for the national champions.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
State Champs with no geographical boundaries or age requirements....you sound about as big a DB as the St Joe Prep parents when they win in football...

As the parent of boys in public school I agree on the geography, but there are no age requirements in public schools either. My one son is a june bday and has plenty of kids his grade that are a year+ older than him.[/quote]

PIAA rules do have age requirements though they don't really kick in until you have a double holdback or more commonly the holdback and reclassed kid:
To be eligible to participate in grades 10 through 12, you must not have reached your 19th birthday by June 30 immediately preceding the school year. Where you will participate only in grades 7 and 8, you may not have reached 15th birthday by June 30 immediately preceding the school year; where you will participate only in grades 7 through 9, you may not have reached your 16th birthday by June 30 immediately preceding the school year.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
State Champs with no geographical boundaries or age requirements....you sound about as big a DB as the St Joe Prep parents when they win in football...

As the parent of boys in public school I agree on the geography, but there are no age requirements in public schools either. My one son is a june bday and has plenty of kids his grade that are a year+ older than him.

Maybe there is no requirements, but there will be much fewer holdbacks in publics! Tax dollars will not allow kids to be held back on a parents whim. It Has to be a very valid reason and sports do not count!

holdback scenario is more of an elitist “play”. Ones who can afford privates and pay to holdback and it is the norm. Pay fir a clear advantage! Needs to stop.

Parents put up one year's catholic school tuition to have their son do 8th grade again and then re-enter the public HS. Elitist? Not really. It worked for a starting middie for the national champions.[/quote]

Catholic schools are part of PIAA. If you repeat 8th grade, you aren't going to be eligible your senior year:

Period of Time After Eighth Grade, Participation, and Grade Repetition
Your athletic eligibility extends only until you have reached the end of your fourth consecutive year (8 th consecutive semester or the equivalent) beyond the eighth grade. Therefore, if you repeat a grade after eighth, you will be ineligible as a senior. Additionally, you may participate in (1) a maximum of six seasons in each sport during grades seven through twelve, (2) a maximum of four seasons in each sport during grades nine through twelve, and (3) a maximum of three seasons in each sport during grades seven through nine.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
State Champs with no geographical boundaries or age requirements....you sound about as big a DB as the St Joe Prep parents when they win in football...

As the parent of boys in public school I agree on the geography, but there are no age requirements in public schools either. My one son is a june bday and has plenty of kids his grade that are a year+ older than him.

Maybe there is no requirements, but there will be much fewer holdbacks in publics! Tax dollars will not allow kids to be held back on a parents whim. It Has to be a very valid reason and sports do not count!

holdback scenario is more of an elitist “play”. Ones who can afford privates and pay to holdback and it is the norm. Pay fir a clear advantage! Needs to stop.

Parents put up one year's catholic school tuition to have their son do 8th grade again and then re-enter the public HS. Elitist? Not really. It worked for a starting middie for the national champions.

Catholic schools are part of PIAA. If you repeat 8th grade, you aren't going to be eligible your senior year:

Period of Time After Eighth Grade, Participation, and Grade Repetition
Your athletic eligibility extends only until you have reached the end of your fourth consecutive year (8 th consecutive semester or the equivalent) beyond the eighth grade. Therefore, if you repeat a grade after eighth, you will be ineligible as a senior. Additionally, you may participate in (1) a maximum of six seasons in each sport during grades seven through twelve, (2) a maximum of four seasons in each sport during grades nine through twelve, and (3) a maximum of three seasons in each sport during grades seven through nine.[/quote]

That's funny. Then how did he win a state championship his senior year?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
State Champs with no geographical boundaries or age requirements....you sound about as big a DB as the St Joe Prep parents when they win in football...

As the parent of boys in public school I agree on the geography, but there are no age requirements in public schools either. My one son is a june bday and has plenty of kids his grade that are a year+ older than him.

Maybe there is no requirements, but there will be much fewer holdbacks in publics! Tax dollars will not allow kids to be held back on a parents whim. It Has to be a very valid reason and sports do not count!

holdback scenario is more of an elitist “play”. Ones who can afford privates and pay to holdback and it is the norm. Pay fir a clear advantage! Needs to stop.[/quote]

There are absolutely age restrictions in public and Inter-Ac schools. I believe both are you cannot turn 19 prior to July 1 entering your senior year. The difference being Inter-ac don’t enforce the age restriction or just call it a “post grad” year. Also, many catholic high schools are in the PIAA but almost none of their grade schools are so many kids are repeating in catholic grade schools or cyber schools.
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Another year of UA Philly Tryout Shenanigans. The Command Division had a dad evaluator. Yep a dad with a clipboard evaluating his own son and other players at his sons position. And take a wild guess whose son made the team…ahead of several better players at the same position. Can’t make this stuff up.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Another year of UA Philly Tryout Shenanigans. The Command Division had a dad evaluator. Yep a dad with a clipboard evaluating his own son and other players at his sons position. And take a wild guess whose son made the team…ahead of several better players at the same position. Can’t make this stuff up.

Who?
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I’m sure you have a great eye for talent. Keep telling your kid it’s not his fault and he was cheated…..
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Another year of UA Philly Tryout Shenanigans. The Command Division had a dad evaluator. Yep a dad with a clipboard evaluating his own son and other players at his sons position. And take a wild guess whose son made the team…ahead of several better players at the same position. Can’t make this stuff up.

Who?

What position ? Who ?
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Just my opinion but the best attackman in the area isn't on the "Highlight" team. Not sure if he tried out, but its glaring to me if he is not on the squad.
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You talking about the kid from ANC?
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You talking about the kid from ANC?

No.....and it pains me to say this because they steal players from all over the area but it is the rising junior attackman from Malvern. That kid physically dominates and opens it up for other players. Again...not sure if he tried out and his style may not have been what the coaches were looking for but he would be my first pick if I was building a Philly squad.
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Kid from ANC is legit. Kid from Malvern didn't tryout. UA is dying a nice slow death because they refuse to adapt.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Another year of UA Philly Tryout Shenanigans. The Command Division had a dad evaluator. Yep a dad with a clipboard evaluating his own son and other players at his sons position. And take a wild guess whose son made the team…ahead of several better players at the same position. Can’t make this stuff up.

UA tryouts have always been political/biased. Why would this year be any different?
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It isn't different by a long shot. What is becoming different are the number of coaches that no longer go to the games but only the tryouts.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
You talking about the kid from ANC?

No.....and it pains me to say this because they steal players from all over the area but it is the rising junior attackman from Malvern. That kid physically dominates and opens it up for other players. Again...not sure if he tried out and his style may not have been what the coaches were looking for but he would be my first pick if I was building a Philly squad.

He didn't try out if you are talking about #6.
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Anyone have insight into why the Nike ASG 2025 Philly roster is almost at 2026 kids from Tigers?
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Anyone have insight into why the Nike ASG 2025 Philly roster is almost at 2026 kids from Tigers?
I know that all the reports from last year's games were negative...probably couldn't fill the roster otherwise.
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Caught the ANC kid Akino down at NHSLS against St. John’s in which they lost by a goal or two and he was phenomenal. Not the biggest, fastest, best dodger etc. but by far the best all around player on the field. Really thin but if he can put on weight could be really good at the next level.
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He could very well become the #1 recruit for 24’s…top schools already calling ANC. Pretty impressive
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Anyone have insight into why the Nike ASG 2025 Philly roster is almost at 2026 kids from Tigers?
Tigers were only team with parents wealthy enough to fork over insane amounts of money to play in a pointless "all-star" game (only half joking). I know multiple 2026 kids offered a spot on the 2025 Philly team who didn't attend the tryout. A couple accepted (great people who happen to have a lot of excess cash) and others couldn't or didn't want to deal with the cost.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone have insight into why the Nike ASG 2025 Philly roster is almost at 2026 kids from Tigers?
Tigers were only team with parents wealthy enough to fork over insane amounts of money to play in a pointless "all-star" game (only half joking). I know multiple 2026 kids offered a spot on the 2025 Philly team who didn't attend the tryout. A couple accepted (great people who happen to have a lot of excess cash) and others couldn't or didn't want to deal with the cost.

Do a little work. Registration thread for Nike Pennsylvania team says you are inaccurate. Registration shows who tried out and who made it.

True not as popular in PA as Under Armor and who cares? All that matters is does it help the players visibility. Schedule is against some of the best recruits. Son is on the older team, it has helped hi along with club and school.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone have insight into why the Nike ASG 2025 Philly roster is almost at 2026 kids from Tigers?
Tigers were only team with parents wealthy enough to fork over insane amounts of money to play in a pointless "all-star" game (only half joking). I know multiple 2026 kids offered a spot on the 2025 Philly team who didn't attend the tryout. A couple accepted (great people who happen to have a lot of excess cash) and others couldn't or didn't want to deal with the cost.

Do a little work. Registration thread for Nike Pennsylvania team says you are inaccurate. Registration shows who tried out and who made it.

True not as popular in PA as Under Armor and who cares? All that matters is does it help the players visibility. Schedule is against some of the best recruits. Son is on the older team, it has helped hi along with club and school.

This is a clearly weak event. The 2025 team is almost exclusively 2026 players and the 2025s on the team were ones who didn't make the UA team (the one 2026 on the UA team is on the Nike team as he was asked to play and didn't have to pay to register).
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He could very well become the #1 recruit for 24’s…top schools already calling ANC. Pretty impressive


How do you know this?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Caught the ANC kid Akino down at NHSLS against St. John’s in which they lost by a goal or two and he was phenomenal. Not the biggest, fastest, best dodger etc. but by far the best all around player on the field. Really thin but if he can put on weight could be really good at the next level.


He was a holdback, yes?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone have insight into why the Nike ASG 2025 Philly roster is almost at 2026 kids from Tigers?
Tigers were only team with parents wealthy enough to fork over insane amounts of money to play in a pointless "all-star" game (only half joking). I know multiple 2026 kids offered a spot on the 2025 Philly team who didn't attend the tryout. A couple accepted (great people who happen to have a lot of excess cash) and others couldn't or didn't want to deal with the cost.

Do a little work. Registration thread for Nike Pennsylvania team says you are inaccurate. Registration shows who tried out and who made it.

True not as popular in PA as Under Armor and who cares? All that matters is does it help the players visibility. Schedule is against some of the best recruits. Son is on the older team, it has helped hi along with club and school.

This is a clearly weak event. The 2025 team is almost exclusively 2026 players and the 2025s on the team were ones who didn't make the UA team (the one 2026 on the UA team is on the Nike team as he was asked to play and didn't have to pay to register).


If you look the coaches for the 2026 team are the Tigers coaches. That is why they were allowed to try out and made the team.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone have insight into why the Nike ASG 2025 Philly roster is almost at 2026 kids from Tigers?
Tigers were only team with parents wealthy enough to fork over insane amounts of money to play in a pointless "all-star" game (only half joking). I know multiple 2026 kids offered a spot on the 2025 Philly team who didn't attend the tryout. A couple accepted (great people who happen to have a lot of excess cash) and others couldn't or didn't want to deal with the cost.

Do a little work. Registration thread for Nike Pennsylvania team says you are inaccurate. Registration shows who tried out and who made it.

True not as popular in PA as Under Armor and who cares? All that matters is does it help the players visibility. Schedule is against some of the best recruits. Son is on the older team, it has helped hi along with club and school.

This is a clearly weak event. The 2025 team is almost exclusively 2026 players and the 2025s on the team were ones who didn't make the UA team (the one 2026 on the UA team is on the Nike team as he was asked to play and didn't have to pay to register).


If you look the coaches for the 2026 team are the Tigers coaches. That is why they were allowed to try out and made the team.

Saying that like it is a negative. One of the best in the nation at there age forever. Read they first to win an NFL tournament from Philly. Great coaches and former players coaching. Wish my kid was that age and play for them. They ever starting another year?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone have insight into why the Nike ASG 2025 Philly roster is almost at 2026 kids from Tigers?
Tigers were only team with parents wealthy enough to fork over insane amounts of money to play in a pointless "all-star" game (only half joking). I know multiple 2026 kids offered a spot on the 2025 Philly team who didn't attend the tryout. A couple accepted (great people who happen to have a lot of excess cash) and others couldn't or didn't want to deal with the cost.

Do a little work. Registration thread for Nike Pennsylvania team says you are inaccurate. Registration shows who tried out and who made it.

True not as popular in PA as Under Armor and who cares? All that matters is does it help the players visibility. Schedule is against some of the best recruits. Son is on the older team, it has helped hi along with club and school.

This is a clearly weak event. The 2025 team is almost exclusively 2026 players and the 2025s on the team were ones who didn't make the UA team (the one 2026 on the UA team is on the Nike team as he was asked to play and didn't have to pay to register).

If it is so bad why do you care so much?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone have insight into why the Nike ASG 2025 Philly roster is almost at 2026 kids from Tigers?
Tigers were only team with parents wealthy enough to fork over insane amounts of money to play in a pointless "all-star" game (only half joking). I know multiple 2026 kids offered a spot on the 2025 Philly team who didn't attend the tryout. A couple accepted (great people who happen to have a lot of excess cash) and others couldn't or didn't want to deal with the cost.

Do a little work. Registration thread for Nike Pennsylvania team says you are inaccurate. Registration shows who tried out and who made it.

True not as popular in PA as Under Armor and who cares? All that matters is does it help the players visibility. Schedule is against some of the best recruits. Son is on the older team, it has helped hi along with club and school.

This is a clearly weak event. The 2025 team is almost exclusively 2026 players and the 2025s on the team were ones who didn't make the UA team (the one 2026 on the UA team is on the Nike team as he was asked to play and didn't have to pay to register).


If you look the coaches for the 2026 team are the Tigers coaches. That is why they were allowed to try out and made the team.

Saying that like it is a negative. One of the best in the nation at there age forever. Read they first to win an NFL tournament from Philly. Great coaches and former players coaching. Wish my kid was that age and play for them. They ever starting another year?

Not a negative. Just why the 26's were allowed to try out. Tigers have always had great coaching that won't change.
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(Aquino) is not a hold back. He just turned 16 a month ago and started at ANC as a Freshman at 14 yrs old and Sophomore at 15. I believe you are thinking about his older brother who’s reclassified from a 2023 to a 2024. Great kid and family.
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You are missing the point. Nike LaxNationals has single grade teams (unlike UA). So this year there are three different teams: â€23, â€24, â€25. Why are 2026’s on the Philly 2025 team???
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are missing the point. Nike LaxNationals has single grade teams (unlike UA). So this year there are three different teams: â€23, â€24, â€25. Why are 2026’s on the Philly 2025 team???
Not many 2025s came to evaluations. Tigers parents have $400 to drop to get their kids' name on the internet as an all-star and put another jersey on the bedroom wall. Don't be mad at them for having the spare cash. Obviously an incoming freshman gains little by any recognition for a game like this, but who cares if that's how they want to spend their money?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are missing the point. Nike LaxNationals has single grade teams (unlike UA). So this year there are three different teams: â€23, â€24, â€25. Why are 2026’s on the Philly 2025 team???

Congrats to those playing, but this is not in the same realm as the UA tryouts/game.
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Inside Lacrosse posted their year-end Public School Rankings Top 15 - Radnor is #7, with several teams who are currently participating in the Philly
Showdown at Maple Zone also listed.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/arti...-public-high-school-power-rankings/59976
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are missing the point. Nike LaxNationals has single grade teams (unlike UA). So this year there are three different teams: â€23, â€24, â€25. Why are 2026’s on the Philly 2025 team???
Not many 2025s came to evaluations. Tigers parents have $400 to drop to get their kids' name on the internet as an all-star and put another jersey on the bedroom wall. Don't be mad at them for having the spare cash. Obviously an incoming freshman gains little by any recognition for a game like this, but who cares if that's how they want to spend their money?

The Tiger King put his own players (& son) on the Nike â€25 team BEFORE tryouts.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are missing the point. Nike LaxNationals has single grade teams (unlike UA). So this year there are three different teams: â€23, â€24, â€25. Why are 2026’s on the Philly 2025 team???

Congrats to those playing, but this is not in the same realm as the UA tryouts/game.

Some players on both teams. Yes UA has more 2025 talent. The game lineups and rosters for Nike at all ages is strong. Best players in nation for other regions, look at the rosters. Lots of college exposure in older years. UA still stronger in PA.
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Lol truth!
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Tigers are dissolving. Why does anyone care if the kids play up a year for a random tourney? They are all going to be on different teams next season.
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Tigers are dissolving. Why does anyone care if the kids play up a year for a random tourney? They are all going to be on different teams next season.

You said the same thing last year. And again the top team in the nation from PA.No good player leaves the top team.
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tigers are all going to team 10
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Aren't they 1-22 this season?
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tigers are all going to team 10

You can do better than this in making up fake rumors during tryout season. Best teams add better players at tryouts. Worst teams get worse.

Us club lax has tiger beating them 15 to zero a week ago. Did you get cut or not make the team?
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Nope
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Not happening
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Anyone have insight into why the Nike ASG 2025 Philly roster is almost at 2026 kids from Tigers?
Tigers were only team with parents wealthy enough to fork over insane amounts of money to play in a pointless "all-star" game (only half joking). I know multiple 2026 kids offered a spot on the 2025 Philly team who didn't attend the tryout. A couple accepted (great people who happen to have a lot of excess cash) and others couldn't or didn't want to deal with the cost.

Do a little work. Registration thread for Nike Pennsylvania team says you are inaccurate. Registration shows who tried out and who made it.

True not as popular in PA as Under Armor and who cares? All that matters is does it help the players visibility. Schedule is against some of the best recruits. Son is on the older team, it has helped hi along with club and school.

This is a clearly weak event. The 2025 team is almost exclusively 2026 players and the 2025s on the team were ones who didn't make the UA team (the one 2026 on the UA team is on the Nike team as he was asked to play and didn't have to pay to register).


If you look the coaches for the 2026 team are the Tigers coaches. That is why they were allowed to try out and made the team.

Saying that like it is a negative. One of the best in the nation at there age forever. Read they first to win an NFL tournament from Philly. Great coaches and former players coaching. Wish my kid was that age and play for them. They ever starting another year?

When did the 2026 tigers win the NLF Tourney??
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
tigers are all going to team 10

You can do better than this in making up fake rumors during tryout season. Best teams add better players at tryouts. Worst teams get worse.

Us club lax has tiger beating them 15 to zero a week ago. Did you get cut or not make the team?

Keep adding the reclassed kids will always make you better.....
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Wait and see
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Just saw the UA team roster, how is the kid from Radnor on the team? Didn't he get a HS diploma a month ago?
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Just saw the UA team roster, how is the kid from Radnor on the team? Didn't he get a HS diploma a month ago?

He's doing a PG year
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Why do care?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just saw the UA team roster, how is the kid from Radnor on the team? Didn't he get a HS diploma a month ago?

He's doing a PG year
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just saw the UA team roster, how is the kid from Radnor on the team? Didn't he get a HS diploma a month ago?

He's doing a PG year
And that’s ok in what world? He is a 2022 HS graduate, the team is 23/24.
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Congratulations and good luck to the Tigers making the NLF National Championship game tomorrow!
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Congratulations and good luck to the Tigers making the NLF National Championship game tomorrow!

And for winning it. First Philly team ever to win National Championship and an NLF.
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Congrats Tigers on winning it all today!!
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Tigers XXVI is going to be the first team to win an NLF championship and dissolve within days. Big story coming!
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Thanks for the #wojbomb, glad you got the scoop!
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Just saw the UA team roster, how is the kid from Radnor on the team? Didn't he get a HS diploma a month ago?

He's doing a PG year
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just saw the UA team roster, how is the kid from Radnor on the team? Didn't he get a HS diploma a month ago?

He's doing a PG year
And that’s ok in what world? He is a 2022 HS graduate, the team is 23/24.

Don't agree with this at all! Do a PG, gap year, re-class - whatever. But don't take up a roster spot that should go to a local HS kid. Go play for team Ct or wherever you are PGing. Shame on the coaches for that decision. SMH....
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What story, they are an upcoming 9th grade team - who cares! Your world is too small.
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[quote=Anonymous]Just saw the UA team roster, how is the kid from Radnor on the team? Didn't he get a HS diploma a month ago?

And that’s ok in what world? He is a 2022 HS graduate, the team is 23/24.

Don't agree with this at all! Do a PG, gap year, re-class - whatever. But don't take up a roster spot that should go to a local HS kid. Go play for team Ct or wherever you are PGing. Shame on the coaches for that decision. SMH....

I guess he considers his PG year to be a repeat of senior year. Per the UAAA rules:

Players who in the summer of 2022 will be rising high school freshman (class of 2026) , rising sophomores(class of 2025), rising juniors (class of 2024) and rising seniors (class of 2023) must tryout by region to be selected to Underclass Team.
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So Tigers 26 is done and parents are jumping to a program that won 2 games this whole season and has zero history of developing players in any age group other than recruiting like the mercenary team they’re coming from? Crikey, I’d love to sell them one of the bridges I have…. A fool and his money are soon departed…. This stuff just writes itself
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Is Tigers really breaking up?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
So Tigers 26 is done and parents are jumping to a program that won 2 games this whole season and has zero history of developing players in any age group other than recruiting like the mercenary team they’re coming from? Crikey, I’d love to sell them one of the bridges I have…. A fool and his money are soon departed…. This stuff just writes itself


Name the club or this is just a troll posting
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They are moving to Team10. Apparently they recruited Jordan Wolf to be the head coach.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
They are moving to Team10. Apparently they recruited Jordan Wolf to be the head coach.

Not apparently Team Ten announced Jordan as co-head coach Sunday on IG.
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Makes you wonder how bad that environment must have been…..lots of rumors swirling but quite possibly could all fall on the owner/coach
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Makes you wonder how bad that environment must have been…..lots of rumors swirling but quite possibly could all fall on the owner/coach
I mean, when you name your kid Maximus....
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So Tigers 26 is done and parents are jumping to a program that won 2 games this whole season and has zero history of developing players in any age group other than recruiting like the mercenary team they’re coming from? Crikey, I’d love to sell them one of the bridges I have…. A fool and his money are soon departed…. This stuff just writes itself

No kidding. 2025 TT experience was miserable for a season. All the good players left long ago. Daddy coach would have son play everyone position and switch his stick on the field when play went from offense to defense. Smoke and mirrors.
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Team Ten is the new place to be it appears. I hear Team PA is doing the same thing and most if not all kids are going to team Ten
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They are moving to Team10. Apparently they recruited Jordan Wolf to be the head coach.

Not apparently Team Ten announced Jordan as co-head coach Sunday on IG.

Smoke and mirrors. He supposedly was the coach with other guy last year and we went two and twntyfive.
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They are moving to Team10. Apparently they recruited Jordan Wolf to be the head coach.

Not apparently Team Ten announced Jordan as co-head coach Sunday on IG.

Smoke and mirrors. He supposedly was the coach with other guy last year and we went two and twntyfive.


I’m sure they will be better when the riders kids go there and they will have a dominant 26 and 27 team
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Team Ten is the new place to be it appears. I hear Team PA is doing the same thing and most if not all kids are going to team Ten

Complete bull. The team ten 26 and 27 teams were in complete disarray at NLF, anyone who had thoughts of going anywhere are staying put….if anything they could lose kids. Also Wolf was supposed to coach 27 team and that was lie.
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Team Ten is the new place to be it appears. I hear Team PA is doing the same thing and most if not all kids are going to team Ten

You obviously do not know anything about Team PA, except being a dan boy.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team Ten is the new place to be it appears. I hear Team PA is doing the same thing and most if not all kids are going to team Ten

You obviously do not know anything about Team PA, except being a fan boy.


Will be sad when the coaches have to cut kids they coached since 3rd grade.
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If Tigers are really breaking up, why?
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one of the attackmans moms got her panties in a bunch and rallied the troops to leave
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
If Tigers are really breaking up, why?

Top players didn’t like the coaching
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Because parents are notIntelligent
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Makes you wonder how bad that environment must have been…..lots of rumors swirling but quite possibly could all fall on the owner/coach
I mean, when you name your kid Maximus....

No need to name the kid you classless stunad
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Heard from a very good source Team Ten 27 has over 100 tryouts registrations and they are keeping 13 core players, 7 other spots already locked in for newly recruited players…rest is up for grabs
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard from a very good source Team Ten 27 has over 100 tryouts registrations and they are keeping 13 core players, 7 other spots already locked in for newly recruited players…rest is up for grabs

So your saying there’s a chance…
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
one of the attackmans moms got her panties in a bunch and rallied the troops to leave

messy sit of few swelled delusional parents ruining
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
If Tigers are really breaking up, why?

Top players didn’t like the coaching

Big kids dad coaching.....
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Lmao
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team Ten is the new place to be it appears. I hear Team PA is doing the same thing and most if not all kids are going to team Ten

You obviously do not know anything about Team PA, except being a fan boy.


Will be sad when the coaches have to cut kids they coached since 3rd grade.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard from a very good source Team Ten 27 has over 100 tryouts registrations and they are keeping 13 core players, 7 other spots already locked in for newly recruited players…rest is up for grabs

Really? I believe you’re talking out of your arse buddy. What club are you trolling for? I guess it was a matter of time before the Philly boards got as chippy as the MD and LI ones. If you know anything about Team PA you know it’s predominantly made up of kids from two clubs, so if there’s BS rumors being posted on the site you have a pretty good idea where they’re coming from.
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Really? I believe you’re talking out of your arse buddy. What club are you trolling for? I guess it was a matter of time before the Philly boards got as chippy as the MD and LI ones. If you know anything about Team PA you know it’s predominantly made up of kids from two clubs, so if there’s BS rumors being posted on the site you have a pretty good idea where they’re coming from.[/quote]


Haha - This guy is on all the boards so he knows...lost
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Really? I believe you’re talking out of your arse buddy. What club are you trolling for? I guess it was a matter of time before the Philly boards got as chippy as the MD and LI ones. If you know anything about Team PA you know it’s predominantly made up of kids from two clubs, so if there’s BS rumors being posted on the site you have a pretty good idea where they’re coming from.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Team PA. I see them at tourneys and I see their scores. Based on those two things, they are clearly a very talented team. I can't find any information on this organization except for that. Who can tell me more? Is it just a one-off super team like Tigers? When I search the interwebs for Team PA I get a webpage for some organization that is not competing at the same level.
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Really? I believe you’re talking out of your arse buddy. What club are you trolling for? I guess it was a matter of time before the Philly boards got as chippy as the MD and LI ones. If you know anything about Team PA you know it’s predominantly made up of kids from two clubs, so if there’s BS rumors being posted on the site you have a pretty good idea where they’re coming from.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Team PA. I see them at tourneys and I see their scores. Based on those two things, they are clearly a very talented team. I can't find any information on this organization except for that. Who can tell me more? Is it just a one-off super team like Tigers? When I search the interwebs for Team PA I get a webpage for some organization that is not competing at the same level.

Correct it was a team put together last summer to compete for the World Series or World Championship as it was called this year. It sounds like they may all want to stay together and play on a club team hence the Team Ten rumor. They are mainly Team Ten and MESA kids.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Really? I believe you’re talking out of your arse buddy. What club are you trolling for? I guess it was a matter of time before the Philly boards got as chippy as the MD and LI ones. If you know anything about Team PA you know it’s predominantly made up of kids from two clubs, so if there’s BS rumors being posted on the site you have a pretty good idea where they’re coming from.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Team PA. I see them at tourneys and I see their scores. Based on those two things, they are clearly a very talented team. I can't find any information on this organization except for that. Who can tell me more? Is it just a one-off super team like Tigers? When I search the interwebs for Team PA I get a webpage for some organization that is not competing at the same level.

Correct it was a team put together last summer to compete for the World Series or World Championship as it was called this year. It sounds like they may all want to stay together and play on a club team hence the Team Ten rumor. They are mainly Team Ten and MESA kids.


^^All factually inaccurate
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Really? I believe you’re talking out of your arse buddy. What club are you trolling for? I guess it was a matter of time before the Philly boards got as chippy as the MD and LI ones. If you know anything about Team PA you know it’s predominantly made up of kids from two clubs, so if there’s BS rumors being posted on the site you have a pretty good idea where they’re coming from.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Team PA. I see them at tourneys and I see their scores. Based on those two things, they are clearly a very talented team. I can't find any information on this organization except for that. Who can tell me more? Is it just a one-off super team like Tigers? When I search the interwebs for Team PA I get a webpage for some organization that is not competing at the same level.

Correct it was a team put together last summer to compete for the World Series or World Championship as it was called this year. It sounds like they may all want to stay together and play on a club team hence the Team Ten rumor. They are mainly Team Ten and MESA kids.


^^All factually inaccurate

What is factually inaccurate about the above? If the above is factually inaccurate in your eyes, can you provide what the facts are?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Really? I believe you’re talking out of your arse buddy. What club are you trolling for? I guess it was a matter of time before the Philly boards got as chippy as the MD and LI ones. If you know anything about Team PA you know it’s predominantly made up of kids from two clubs, so if there’s BS rumors being posted on the site you have a pretty good idea where they’re coming from.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Team PA. I see them at tourneys and I see their scores. Based on those two things, they are clearly a very talented team. I can't find any information on this organization except for that. Who can tell me more? Is it just a one-off super team like Tigers? When I search the interwebs for Team PA I get a webpage for some organization that is not competing at the same level.

Correct it was a team put together last summer to compete for the World Series or World Championship as it was called this year. It sounds like they may all want to stay together and play on a club team hence the Team Ten rumor. They are mainly Team Ten and MESA kids.


^^All factually inaccurate

What is factually inaccurate about the above? If the above is factually inaccurate in your eyes, can you provide what the facts are?


If you are involved in any of those clubs mentioned you would already know.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Really? I believe you’re talking out of your arse buddy. What club are you trolling for? I guess it was a matter of time before the Philly boards got as chippy as the MD and LI ones. If you know anything about Team PA you know it’s predominantly made up of kids from two clubs, so if there’s BS rumors being posted on the site you have a pretty good idea where they’re coming from.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Team PA. I see them at tourneys and I see their scores. Based on those two things, they are clearly a very talented team. I can't find any information on this organization except for that. Who can tell me more? Is it just a one-off super team like Tigers? When I search the interwebs for Team PA I get a webpage for some organization that is not competing at the same level.

Correct it was a team put together last summer to compete for the World Series or World Championship as it was called this year. It sounds like they may all want to stay together and play on a club team hence the Team Ten rumor. They are mainly Team Ten and MESA kids.


^^All factually inaccurate

What is factually inaccurate about the above? If the above is factually inaccurate in your eyes, can you provide what the facts are?


If you are involved in any of those clubs mentioned you would already know.

I am not involved in any of those clubs, that is why the question was asked in the first place. That is generally how a conversation goes.
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FACT: Team PA was put together well before they were World Series eligible. A few kids played last year due to age, but they competed as a team this year in the event.
FACT: they do have a lot of Team 10 and Mesa kids many of which were Roughriderz 27s before they imploded
FACT: Team PA has dissolved
FACT: Over half the team is interested in staying together at Team 10, but mainly since they are already there
FACT: Team PA was similar to Tigers as they were a one off, single age team with a ton of talent but very different from Tigers as the Team PA coach was sane, they kids enjoyed each other and the parents didn't have to decide which Bentley they should drive to Stone Harbor each weekend
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
FACT: Team PA was put together well before they were World Series eligible. A few kids played last year due to age, but they competed as a team this year in the event.
FACT: they do have a lot of Team 10 and Mesa kids many of which were Roughriderz 27s before they imploded
FACT: Team PA has dissolved
FACT: Over half the team is interested in staying together at Team 10, but mainly since they are already there
FACT: Team PA was similar to Tigers as they were a one off, single age team with a ton of talent but very different from Tigers as the Team PA coach was sane, they kids enjoyed each other and the parents didn't have to decide which Bentley they should drive to Stone Harbor each weekend

Thanks for the post. Finally someone is brokering in straight facts around here.

If the team was talented, the coach was sane, the kids liked each other, why did it dissolve? Sounds like it was truly formed for the WSYL (albeit they started it a year earlier which is smart to build a little chemistry) . Where is the next stop for the coach?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
FACT: Team PA was put together well before they were World Series eligible. A few kids played last year due to age, but they competed as a team this year in the event.
FACT: they do have a lot of Team 10 and Mesa kids many of which were Roughriderz 27s before they imploded
FACT: Team PA has dissolved
FACT: Over half the team is interested in staying together at Team 10, but mainly since they are already there
FACT: Team PA was similar to Tigers as they were a one off, single age team with a ton of talent but very different from Tigers as the Team PA coach was sane, they kids enjoyed each other and the parents didn't have to decide which Bentley they should drive to Stone Harbor each weekend

Thanks very informative and rational post
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
FACT: Team PA was put together well before they were World Series eligible. A few kids played last year due to age, but they competed as a team this year in the event.
FACT: they do have a lot of Team 10 and Mesa kids many of which were Roughriderz 27s before they imploded
FACT: Team PA has dissolved
FACT: Over half the team is interested in staying together at Team 10, but mainly since they are already there
FACT: Team PA was similar to Tigers as they were a one off, single age team with a ton of talent but very different from Tigers as the Team PA coach was sane, they kids enjoyed each other and the parents didn't have to decide which Bentley they should drive to Stone Harbor each weekend

Thanks for the information, did your kid play on the team? What was the issue it did not stay together?
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FACT: Team PA was similar to Tigers as they were a one off, single age team with a ton of talent but very different from Tigers as the Team PA coach was sane, they kids enjoyed each other and the parents didn't have to decide which Bentley they should drive to Stone Harbor each weekend

So they are rich but not mainline rich... gotcha!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FACT: Team PA was put together well before they were World Series eligible. A few kids played last year due to age, but they competed as a team this year in the event.
FACT: they do have a lot of Team 10 and Mesa kids many of which were Roughriderz 27s before they imploded
FACT: Team PA has dissolved
FACT: Over half the team is interested in staying together at Team 10, but mainly since they are already there
FACT: Team PA was similar to Tigers as they were a one off, single age team with a ton of talent but very different from Tigers as the Team PA coach was sane, they kids enjoyed each other and the parents didn't have to decide which Bentley they should drive to Stone Harbor each weekend

Thanks for the information, did your kid play on the team? What was the issue it did not stay together?
It is tough running a single team outside of a club especially when the players also play on a regular club team (big difference between us and Tigers is that we were a supplemental squad, not a primary team). No hard feelings, just became too much to keep it all together.
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Tigers is just changing their name to Wolf XXVI and being coached by the man himself.
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I love this back and forth. Wait until your kids are in HS next year and you will care less about your club team or any other club teams for that matter.
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The collapsed Tigers team all showed up at Team10 tryouts Tuesday night. Top players from other programs showed up as well. All looking to form another super team to be coached by Jordan Wolf. This all has to be killing the old Tigers Coach.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I love this back and forth. Wait until your kids are in HS next year and you will care less about your club team or any other club teams for that matter.
Maybe true if you are a Ford or Friar, but otherwise club is crucial and essential part of getting to the next level if that's what you are looking for.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FACT: Team PA was put together well before they were World Series eligible. A few kids played last year due to age, but they competed as a team this year in the event.
FACT: they do have a lot of Team 10 and Mesa kids many of which were Roughriderz 27s before they imploded
FACT: Team PA has dissolved
FACT: Over half the team is interested in staying together at Team 10, but mainly since they are already there
FACT: Team PA was similar to Tigers as they were a one off, single age team with a ton of talent but very different from Tigers as the Team PA coach was sane, they kids enjoyed each other and the parents didn't have to decide which Bentley they should drive to Stone Harbor each weekend

Thanks for the information, did your kid play on the team? What was the issue it did not stay together?
It is tough running a single team outside of a club especially when the players also play on a regular club team (big difference between us and Tigers is that we were a supplemental squad, not a primary team). No hard feelings, just became too much to keep it all together.

It’s tough building a team like a “treehouse” you need a solid base and everyone working together.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Really? I believe you’re talking out of your arse buddy. What club are you trolling for? I guess it was a matter of time before the Philly boards got as chippy as the MD and LI ones. If you know anything about Team PA you know it’s predominantly made up of kids from two clubs, so if there’s BS rumors being posted on the site you have a pretty good idea where they’re coming from.


Haha - This guy is on all the boards so he knows...lost[/quote]


I know, building a team is like building a “treehouse” need to find the right pieces to a puzzle.
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If you are relying on a club to get you to the next level, you better rethink your strategy. My advice would be to look at colleges that are good fits and begin to contact those coaches directly when your son is done his sophomore season.
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For public school kids, the better clubs offers a much higher level of competition to improve at.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you are relying on a club to get you to the next level, you better rethink your strategy. My advice would be to look at colleges that are good fits and begin to contact those coaches directly when your son is done his sophomore season.

Bold strategy Cotton….so you handled your son’s recruitment? Where is he playing college ball? Can I borrow your Rolodex? This is some bombshell information and May bankrupt every club in the area!
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That’s the advice of every club and hs coach. Contact the schools you want to go to and also provide your coaches’ info so they can then reach out
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard from a very good source Team Ten 27 has over 100 tryouts registrations and they are keeping 13 core players, 7 other spots already locked in for newly recruited players…rest is up for grabs

Anyone know if this post is true?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Heard from a very good source Team Ten 27 has over 100 tryouts registrations and they are keeping 13 core players, 7 other spots already locked in for newly recruited players…rest is up for grabs

Anyone know if this post is true?

Not accurate on each point
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Heard from a very good source Team Ten 27 has over 100 tryouts registrations and they are keeping 13 core players, 7 other spots already locked in for newly recruited players…rest is up for grabs

Anyone know if this post is true?

Not accurate on each point

What is not accurate? What would be accurate?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Heard from a very good source Team Ten 27 has over 100 tryouts registrations and they are keeping 13 core players, 7 other spots already locked in for newly recruited players…rest is up for grabs

Anyone know if this post is true?

Not accurate on each point
I'd say that's close to accurate. Rarely are more than 3 or 4 spots truly up for grabs on any decent team.
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That seems right. Team Ten is very good, there can’t be that many upgrades available
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How many new kids did Team Ten take?
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[quote=Anonymous]How many new kids did Team Ten take?

Interesting how everyone is talking about Team Ten. Mesa did better at NLF, had just as many kids on Team PA and has invited every good player in the area to tryouts through their IG page.
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Team Ten has a new facility its freaking amazing, I drove my kid up from Florida just to see it.
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Can't say Mesa is as good as Team Ten 27s when they played twice this year, Team Ten won both times. Outside of faceoffs which Mesa dominated, Team Ten was far superior and now widened the gap even more.
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Team Ten lost to LAxachussettes in the first round and they won the tourney? It is true they went farther in the bracket but doesn't losing to the eventual champ equal that out? It will be interesting to see who both of these team added from tryouts
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Far superior seems like an overstatement, but whatever helps you sleep at night.
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“Team Ten lost to LAxachussettes in the first round and they won the tourney? It is true they went farther in the bracket but doesn't losing to the eventual champ equal that out?”

The answer is “no” to both those questions.
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Laxachusetts won the NLF and they beat Team Ten. Mesa won their first round game and then lost
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Team Ten is Roughriders lite.
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This has turned into the "I live vicariously through my son board".
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Turned into??? What was it before?
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Roughriders lite, that’s hilarious! Someone’s feelings are hurt, stay classy!
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Why is this board filled with 27 talk only?
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It is funny....wait until their kid steps on the HS field and they don't have their hold back year giving them an advantage for the first time.
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Now that Tigers are gone from 2026 and Team PA from 2027 who are the top 5 local clubs in both ages?
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Did the tigers change their name, move to a new team or all spread out?
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Tigers spread out with a bunch to team 10, a few to HHH and a few other one offs
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To very good teams like Team10 NXT Freedom Mesa HHH Dukes
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sO THEY ARE GOING TO THE TEAMS THAT MOST OF THEIR hs TEAMAMTES PLAY FOR?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
sO THEY ARE GOING TO THE TEAMS THAT MOST OF THEIR hs TEAMAMTES PLAY FOR?


No
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Now that Tigers are gone from 2026 and Team PA from 2027 who are the top 5 local clubs in both ages?


Who said Team PA was done? Top 27 clubs are:

Freedom
Team RR
Mesa
Team 11
Leading Edge
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
sO THEY ARE GOING TO THE TEAMS THAT MOST OF THEIR hs TEAMAMTES PLAY FOR?

No
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I meant to say that the players on Tigers are matriculating to teams that encompass many of their high school teammates.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I meant to say that the players on Tigers are matriculating to teams that encompass many of their high school teammates.

Look fool, NO room for words like matriculating and encompass on botc. We're lax dad's, we don't use nerd words like that...HIT THE WALL!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I meant to say that the players on Tigers are matriculating to teams that encompass many of their high school teammates.

Look fool, NO room for words like matriculating and encompass on botc. We're lax dad's, we don't use nerd words like that...HIT THE WALL!
Looks like MD or LI trolls finding our board. Please stay away...we actually talk about lax in Philly area
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Congrats to Philly Highlight & Command Teams for winning UA last weekend. A Philly sweep is an impressive accomplishment.
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Forster boys coaching each Philly team to championships! Shout out to the ladies for winning as well !
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They both lost
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Reiterate the sentiment. Great to see we always win every year. Only issue is the competition.
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Too bad the one Forster boy couldn’t take the LaSalle team past the first round of playoffs two years in a row. The UA team he coached made up mostly of kids developed by other HS coaches (Radnor, Malvern, Haverford). Give credit to the coaches who developed those kids. Only two LaSalle kids on UA teams. Heard some LaSalle kids transferring to other schools because of R Forster. The other Forster seems to be having a lot of success at ANC
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Too bad the one Forster boy couldn’t take the LaSalle team past the first round of playoffs two years in a row. The UA team he coached made up mostly of kids developed by other HS coaches (Radnor, Malvern, Haverford). Give credit to the coaches who developed those kids. Only two LaSalle kids on UA teams. Heard some LaSalle kids transferring to other schools because of R Forster. The other Forster seems to be having a lot of success at ANC

sounds like a disgruntled LCPHS parent. Which is fine, just take the comment with a grain of salt. Regime change there recently...absolute legend stepped down. nobody could have filled those shoes.

let's give some credit to the kids themselves, rather than the coaches at these powerhouse High Schools. The kids are the ones putting in the work.
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Agreed; credit to the men AND women of UA Philly for winning it all !
As for R Forster, see what ANC was before he got there and what the program has been since. Lasalle will be back and Forster will be the one leading the ship…
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You seriously saying give credit to kids and not the hs coach? It is a team and the hs coach is the leader. Hopefully this is sarcasm. If not get your reality checked and change sports. The coach is the team leader. You are lucky to have RF coach.
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Both teams were loaded and very good coaching staffs. Command won all games by a good margin. Highlight had a lot of 24s on team. Philly looking strong. If you look down at years 26 and 27 as well they have very good players as well that are coming up. Not as many kids play yet in the area as MD or LI but the quality is high.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to Philly Highlight & Command Teams for winning UA last weekend. A Philly sweep is an impressive accomplishment.
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There were 4 quality coaches on the sideline all doing a solid job.
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Agreed - Keep grinding Philly!
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Coming from a tigers player, most of the people joining team ten are joining because of the coaches. The two coaches Bill Connors and Jordan Wolf have coached us in the past and we liked them a lot. It was a tough decision for us to leave the tigers. We just won a national championship and were the first team in PA to ever do that but we all felt like we just needed a change of scenery. There was no toxic culture in the team. We were like brothers and we do anything for each other. Our coach was not insane, he just cared and sometimes it may come off as insane but he truly just cared. I know you may not believe but he is willing to do anything for anyone of us. I am so grateful for the opportunity that Tigers has given me. Without Tigers, I don't know where I would be in my lacrosse career and I only have the coaches to thank for that. Tigers has given me an opportunity that no other team in this area could've.
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Does anyone know what happened to the "King of the Mountain" tournament at Lehigh? They cancelled it and we have not received a refund.
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I guess if you build they will come. Team Ten’s 25, 26, and 27’s went a combined 9-0 this past weekend at the Millon tournament. The best teams in our area has always been spread out, looks like Ten is pulling it together.
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Watched a few of their games, great to see PA teams step it up! Their 2030 team battled but went 0-3
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Mesa sold to Buccini Sports
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[quote=Anonymous]Mesa sold to Buccini Sports

BPG Sports, same group that recently purchased Brotherly Love and 302 in DE. Rumored to be building a facility in Radnor area. Look for merging and consolidation of clubs and talent, very corporate.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Mesa sold to Buccini Sports

BPG Sports, same group that recently purchased Brotherly Love and 302 in DE. Rumored to be building a facility in Radnor area. Look for merging and consolidation of clubs and talent, very corporate.

There will be a few more foreign's at practice in the near future. Who is going to be the next director to cash out?
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Cash out or bail out?
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Cash out or bail out?

The move to private equity based ownership has worked out well for other clubs in the area. I’m sure Mesa will be just fine.
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I wonder if youth sports has turned into a business?
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Bail out
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Mesa sold to Buccini Sports

BPG Sports, same group that recently purchased Brotherly Love and 302 in DE. Rumored to be building a facility in Radnor area. Look for merging and consolidation of clubs and talent, very corporate.

There will be a few more foreign's at practice in the near future. Who is going to be the next director to cash out?

I’d say Roughriders but they might be worth about as much as FTX Crypto today.
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I’d say Roughriders but they might be worth about as much as FTX Crypto today.

Why the RR detest here? Either your kid was cut or you were part of the 2027 team to keep coming back to bash them
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Just my opinion but I don't think you will see travel teams be as popular once players start to enter HS in the future. All the private schools seem to play year round and it looks like the other schools are catching on.
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Looking ahead to the high school lacrosse season who are the teams to watch in the Philly area this year (public & private schools)?
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AA (District 1)- Rustin looks very strong and Marple has a young but talented team. Not sure about Penncrest this year. I think they graduated many kids.

Darkhorse-Upper Merion

AAA (District1)-Radnor, LaSalle, DWest, DEast, Garnet Valley should still be strong despite some graduations.

Darkhorse-Springfield
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
AA (District 1)- Rustin looks very strong and Marple has a young but talented team. Not sure about Penncrest this year. I think they graduated many kids.

Darkhorse-Upper Merion

AAA (District1)-Radnor, LaSalle, DWest, DEast, Garnet Valley should still be strong despite some graduations.

Darkhorse-Springfield


Correction...Lasalle is not District 1......also Avon Grove should have a strong team this year. No idea how Stoga looks.
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I like the Rustin call although they have some holes at FO and ATT. Stoga gonna have a down year. Might be why their goalie (Duke commit) transferred to a private school in Virginia / DC area.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
AA (District 1)- Rustin looks very strong and Marple has a young but talented team. Not sure about Penncrest this year. I think they graduated many kids.

Darkhorse-Upper Merion

AAA (District1)-Radnor, LaSalle, DWest, DEast, Garnet Valley should still be strong despite some graduations.

Darkhorse-Springfield


DWest won’t be good, I doubt they make states. Top 3 is Radnor in their own tier. Then Springfield and DEast is a tier below for district 1. Garnet, Springford, and Avon Grove makes up the next tier.
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Perkiomen Valley has been solid the past few years. Also, Owen J Roberts had a solid team last year, not sure if they had many graduates. I would not count out Unionville, they took down some very good teams last year.
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Perkiomen Valley has been solid the past few years. Also, Owen J Roberts had a solid team last year, not sure if they had many graduates. I would not count out Unionville, they took down some very good teams last year.

OJR graduated a ton of seniors and lost their head coach to college. PV also graduated a lot of starting seniors.

Kennet should be solid as well.

Radnor and D'east will be the top 2.
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Radnor has Malvern on their schedule this year. Will be interesting to see how they do.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Radnor has Malvern on their schedule this year. Will be interesting to see how they do.

Radnor is a top state team. Malvern is a top national team. I think if Radnor kept it within 5 it could be considered a "win". 140 boys tryout for Malvern's lax team each year.
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Phillylacrosse.com rankings came out yesterday. I am surprised there was no mention of Rustin. They have Unionville "mentioned" as well who lost to Rustin last year. Even Marple (who made the state AA finals) is not in the top 25. I realize it is an early ranking, but it doesn't really make sense. Rustin is probably the 2nd best team in the Chesmont.
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It's pretty impressive how Radnor has been able to reload over the past few years.
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It is impressive they are only public school that can compete. They gave Haverford a close game this summer at a national tournament. They are very good this year.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is impressive they are only public school that can compete. They gave Haverford a close game this summer at a national tournament. They are very good this year.

Good point. The next ranking of a public school is Downingtown East at #10. Let's be honest, the Inter Ac schools bring in 5-6 top players in each freshman class. Outside of Radnor, the other schools would be lucky to get 2 top players. Haverford and Malvern are awesome schools, but they clearly shifted their focus on athletics and their goal to be successful on the field.
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Comments like “Haverford & Malvern clearly shifted their focus on athletics” are hysterical. As if those two schools haven’t had dominant lacrosse programs for decades. Please enlighten us on what’s shifted.
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Comments like “Haverford & Malvern clearly shifted their focus on athletics” are hysterical. As if those two schools haven’t had dominant lacrosse programs for decades. Please enlighten us on what’s shifted.

They have done an excellent job over the years, but now they are clearly above the PIAA teams. This was not the case 10-15 years ago. It is a fact that they offer pathways to great colleges based on their reputation (in lacrosse and other sports) that the other schools do not have. It is also a fact that they offer scholarships that other schools cannot offer. I'm not saying this is good or bad (I won't name the school) but the academics have dropped dramatically as they have increased their "national" presence in athletics.
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“Scholarships”…hahaha. Sorry that’s fiction not fact. It’s called need-based financial aid. As far as lowering the academic standard I suggest your compare their list of colleges their students attend to validate your cynical opinion.
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Haters gonna detest. Clown.
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All the Inter-Ac schools have their share of mouth breathers, whether via athletic scholarships (they call it tuition assistance, like the Ivies) or - far more prevalent - via legacy admits who suffer from [Censored] son syndrome but whose families can pay full freight and donate significantly and consistently. At least the former bring something to the table through socioeconomic diversity and winning programs that generate donations by the families of the latter and so on and so on. Been that way for decades and will keep on. That said, they do boot students for consistently poor academic performance. I mean, you have to REALLY fail to fail out, but it happens, or, more likely, there’s an agreement that Colton or Riley or whatever would be better off somewhere less rigorous. The comment about an academic slide is way off, which is easily verified by SAT/ACT scores, national merit scholarships and AP credits awarded, which for all the Inter-Acs are quite high (some more than others of course but as a group still much higher than public or parochial or even other privates, but the number of acceptances to Penn or Williams isn’t the end-the-conversation metric you’d think, bc plenty of dense legacy kids go Ivy and equivalent as legacies there, too. Fairness would be eliminating legacy admits and upping tuition assistance across the board, and if that includes a bump for athletics, so be it if the kid can manage the significant and strenuous workload with at least a C+/B- average. But that’ll never happen bc that tuition assistance has to come from somewhere.
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Are NXT and Nationals linked together? Why did the NXT kids play for Nationals against NXT in multiple age groups? Do the national teams take precedence over local club?
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NXT and Nationals are not linked; you could argue Fusion and Nationals are, as the Gonzalez brothers run the Nationals.
That said, after what G did when he was w the Duke’s, can’t imagine someone entrusting their child w them but…
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I’d guess you are talking about Nations Best (not Nationals). Then yes there is a relationship
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
NXT and Nationals are not linked; you could argue Fusion and Nationals are, as the Gonzalez brothers run the Nationals.
That said, after what G did when he was w the Duke’s, can’t imagine someone entrusting their child w them but…

Oh goodie....here we go again!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I’d guess you are talking about Nations Best (not Nationals). Then yes there is a relationship
No, the NXT players that played with Nationals instead of NXT. Sheesh, they play for Nations Best as well?
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More G and Duke’s talk? No thank you
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More G and Duke’s talk? No thank you

Seriously. They should start a podcast in the topic they talk about it so much.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
AA (District 1)- Rustin looks very strong and Marple has a young but talented team. Not sure about Penncrest this year. I think they graduated many kids.

Darkhorse-Upper Merion

AAA (District1)-Radnor, LaSalle, DWest, DEast, Garnet Valley should still be strong despite some graduations.

Darkhorse-Springfield

Considering Radnor and LaSalle both are 0 and 2, DWest, DEast and Springfield are the front runners.
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Rustin is probably better than DEast, DWest, and Springfield. Spring Ford actually beat Springfield.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Rustin is probably better than DEast, DWest, and Springfield. Spring Ford actually beat Springfield.

Laughable to say Rustin is probably better than Deast. Deast has 4 returning all state players. With strong junior and sophomore classes.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
AA (District 1)- Rustin looks very strong and Marple has a young but talented team. Not sure about Penncrest this year. I think they graduated many kids.

Darkhorse-Upper Merion

AAA (District1)-Radnor, LaSalle, DWest, DEast, Garnet Valley should still be strong despite some graduations.

Darkhorse-Springfield

Considering Radnor and LaSalle both are 0 and 2, DWest, DEast and Springfield are the front runners.

Maybe, just maybe you want to look at who Lasalle and Radnor have played
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I would not say "laughable". You could easily make the argument that Rustin has the most potent attack line in the Chesmont, and they do have their own "all state" player at midfield and a very good goalie. I agree that Deast is the better team, but Rustin is not far behind and Rustin has about half the student population that Deast pulls from.

That kid from Wissahickon is incredible. Radnor is still the top team then Deast, Dwest, maybe Spring Ford and Springfield but Wissahickon is stepping up to that second tier.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would not say "laughable". You could easily make the argument that Rustin has the most potent attack line in the Chesmont, and they do have their own "all state" player at midfield and a very good goalie. I agree that Deast is the better team, but Rustin is not far behind and Rustin has about half the student population that Deast pulls from.

That kid from Wissahickon is incredible. Radnor is still the top team then Deast, Dwest, maybe Spring Ford and Springfield but Wissahickon is stepping up to that second tier.

Downingtown east has 40 players on their team both JV and Varsity. Don’t bring up the school population game to make Rustin look better.
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DEast has 866 boys in the school. Rustin has 468 boys enrolled. Having 400 more boys to make up your 40 man roster is a huge advantage.
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Downingtown has 866 boys who attend the school according to the PIAA while Rustin has 466. So you are telling me that having another 400 boys who can potentially play lacrosse is not an advantage when you are putting together your 40 man roster?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Downingtown has 866 boys who attend the school according to the PIAA while Rustin has 466. So you are telling me that having another 400 boys who can potentially play lacrosse is not an advantage when you are putting together your 40 man roster?
Probably a disadvantage for the coach trying to figure out what to do with the extra bodies. Out of the player pool you only need/play your top 14-15 players. D stays on, A stays on. G stays on and you run 6 middies and an LSM. So all that matters i the quality of your top players.
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uote=Anonymous]Downingtown has 866 boys who attend the school according to the PIAA while Rustin has 466. So you are telling me that having another 400 boys who can potentially play lacrosse is not an advantage when you are putting together your 40 man roster?[/quote]

The point is yes they have 400 more boys, but none of them play lacrosse so it doesn’t matter. Those extra 400 boys does nothing for them since they barely have anyone even playing lacrosse at east. East struggles to field a JV team, begging kids to play the sport practically. When Rustin on the other hand yes has less boys at their disposal hypothetically, but has a bigger team. Maybe east should start complaining that they have a 40 person team vs radnors 70 person team and that it’s not fair. Think about it logically, East has zero advantage over Rustin because of population don’t try and play that game.
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What’s your point? “Yeah, you beat us, but you have more kids in your town so you should!” ??
You win or you lose, that’s it. Stop the complaining about public vs private, big school be small.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
What’s your point? “Yeah, you beat us, but you have more kids in your town so you should!” ??
You win or you lose, that’s it. Stop the complaining about public vs private, big school be small.
The point is simple. If you have a larger pool of players to pick from, you are likely to put together a more talented team. The PIAA recognizes this disparity and that is why they create different classes of (3a VS 2A).
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
DEast has 866 boys in the school. Rustin has 468 boys enrolled. Having 400 more boys to make up your 40 man roster is a huge advantage.

I have seen some incredibly soft takes in this forum but this has got to be the softest. Do better
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Soft take? So, if WC East, WC Rustin, and Henderson were merged as one WC school, you do not think that would make them a better team?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What’s your point? “Yeah, you beat us, but you have more kids in your town so you should!” ??
You win or you lose, that’s it. Stop the complaining about public vs private, big school be small.
The point is simple. If you have a larger pool of players to pick from, you are likely to put together a more talented team. The PIAA recognizes this disparity and that is why they create different classes of (3a VS 2A).

This makes no sense,MP with all the players in the world lost to a program with little kids this weekend #staypublic
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Soft take? So, if WC East, WC Rustin, and Henderson were merged as one WC school, you do not think that would make them a better team?

I can guarantee the coaches/programs at the most successful schools in the area are not sitting around complaining about population, holdbacks, recruiting etc…they are coaching their kids up, period. Like my man said, Radnor just knocked off MP. Let me know how your excuses help you out at game time.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Soft take? So, if WC East, WC Rustin, and Henderson were merged as one WC school, you do not think that would make them a better team?

I can guarantee the coaches/programs at the most successful schools in the area are not sitting around complaining about population, holdbacks, recruiting etc…they are coaching their kids up, period. Like my man said, Radnor just knocked off MP. Let me know how your excuses help you out at game time.

Also guarantee that your man/you are a coach on here thumping your chest?
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Quality, not quantity.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What’s your point? “Yeah, you beat us, but you have more kids in your town so you should!” ??
You win or you lose, that’s it. Stop the complaining about public vs private, big school be small.
The point is simple. If you have a larger pool of players to pick from, you are likely to put together a more talented team. The PIAA recognizes this disparity and that is why they create different classes of (3a VS 2A).

This makes no sense,MP with all the players in the world lost to a program with little kids this weekend #staypublic

Delusional post. Nobody thinks Radner is better than MP. MP is the pinnacle.
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Hahahaha. This aged well. Maybe next year though. #staypublic
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They can spell at “Radner”
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Radnor has Malvern on their schedule this year. Will be interesting to see how they do.

Radnor is a top state team. Malvern is a top national team. I think if Radnor kept it within 5 it could be considered a "win". 140 boys tryout for Malvern's lax team each year.


Sorry meant to quote this on my last post!

Hahahaha. This aged well. Maybe next year though. #staypublic
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Radnor played very well and BEAT ANC! But feel for those kids. They found out 2 days earlier that they are closing the dorms and the boys who can’t commute will need to find a new school for next year. Nothing like waiting till the last minute to tell these kids and families.
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Radnor played very well and BEAT ANC! But feel for those kids. They found out 2 days earlier that they are closing the dorms and the boys who can’t commute will need to find a new school for next year. Nothing like waiting till the last minute to tell these kids and families.
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Both are excellent teams. Very sorry to hear about ANC. I am sure that played a part in distracting the players and their ability to play for “their” school. Is it fair to ask if ANC was assembling players from all over the country just to create a first class lacrosse team? I had no idea it was a boarding school. Isn’t Westtown doing something similar?
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Both are excellent teams. Very sorry to hear about ANC. I am sure that played a part in distracting the players and their ability to play for “their” school. Is it fair to ask if ANC was assembling players from all over the country just to create a first class lacrosse team? I had no idea it was a boarding school. Isn’t Westtown doing something similar?
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ANC has student housing but very few players, if any, on the lacrosse team actually board.
They were smelling themselves; good kids and great coaches. Sometimes, you learn more from a loss than you do a victory.
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Not true. Interesting who and why they would post this. 90% of the lacrosse team as well as most of the basketball team board. The school is looking into other options to house these students but if you’re a coach from another school I’d reach out. Very frustrating to hear especially a month from the end of school.
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Halfway through the season assessment. In order.

AAA: Radnor, Spring Ford, Springfield, wissahickon, DEast, Boywrtown, DWest

AA: Marple, Rustin, Penn Crest, Upper Merion, Shanahan, PJP
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NXT2027 say what say what...new sheriff in town and 3steppin to new levels and with Nations Best!!!Phillys Best is Nations Best now and the future is NXT!!!
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If you’re referring to the girls NXT 27 team, they played zone and got called for 3secs 11x - if that’s the formula for success, good luck spanky. Find better athletes, maybe you can play man.
Also, NXT parents are insufferable
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you’re referring to the girls NXT 27 team, they played zone and got called for 3secs 11x - if that’s the formula for success, good luck spanky. Find better athletes, maybe you can play man.
Also, NXT parents are insufferable

What tournament was this? last weekend's NGLL?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
NXT2027 say what say what...new sheriff in town and 3steppin to new levels and with Nations Best!!!Phillys Best is Nations Best now and the future is NXT!!!

NXT2027 men beat MESA2027 & possibly why the momchirps.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NXT2027 say what say what...new sheriff in town and 3steppin to new levels and with Nations Best!!!Phillys Best is Nations Best now and the future is NXT!!!

NXT2027 men beat MESA2027 & possibly why the momchirps.

Are 2027 grads 8th graders?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NXT2027 say what say what...new sheriff in town and 3steppin to new levels and with Nations Best!!!Phillys Best is Nations Best now and the future is NXT!!!

NXT2027 men beat MESA2027 & possibly why the momchirps.

Mesa was missing a bunch of their top players, wouldn’t chirp about that, check box scores, NXT got smacked pretty hard in both spring league losses
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Yes…yes… let the 2027 spring league [Censored] talk begin!!! Let’s see how NXT plays against Red Hots
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Hi. This is a forum for college and high school lacrosse. There is probably a kiddy section for irrelevant kid clubs somewhere else. Can you please go there? Much obliged.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hi. This is a forum for college and high school lacrosse. There is probably a kiddy section for irrelevant kid clubs somewhere else. Can you please go there? Much obliged.

I couldn’t agree more. Two dads arguing about their holdbacks 8th grade teams that are full of 15 and near 16 year olds is not productive or informative.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hi. This is a forum for college and high school lacrosse. There is probably a kiddy section for irrelevant kid clubs somewhere else. Can you please go there? Much obliged.

I couldn’t agree more. Two dads arguing about their holdbacks 8th grade teams that are full of 15 and near 16 year olds is not productive or informative.

Wow, you guys are super cool. So sorry to interrupt the banter on a forum that gets 5 posts a year. I’m sure you guys would rather discuss Inter-ac games since you’re paying over $40k a year just so you can drink Moscow Mules, out of your Yetis, behind your Range Rover on a Thursday night.
Actually was hoping to discuss the solid group of 5 year olds coming up in Delco and whether or not it’s too early to start ranking them nationally? What do you guys think about that topic?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hi. This is a forum for college and high school lacrosse. There is probably a kiddy section for irrelevant kid clubs somewhere else. Can you please go there? Much obliged.

I couldn’t agree more. Two dads arguing about their holdbacks 8th grade teams that are full of 15 and near 16 year olds is not productive or informative.

Wow, you guys are super cool. So sorry to interrupt the banter on a forum that gets 5 posts a year. I’m sure you guys would rather discuss Inter-ac games since you’re paying over $40k a year just so you can drink Moscow Mules, out of your Yetis, behind your Range Rover on a Thursday night.
Actually was hoping to discuss the solid group of 5 year olds coming up in Delco and whether or not it’s too early to start ranking them nationally? What do you guys think about that topic?

Love the banter gentlemen! Keep it up.
I'd love to jump in the water. Anon forums are the best, aren't they? Not an NXT fan, but they are a big boy club that put out a big boy product. Like it or not, their teams are good. Are they the Apex team at their age group. No. Do they compete well enough against those Apex teams? I think so. Just my opinion.

I don't feel like there is much inter-ac banter on here. The malvern's and Haverford's don't need the validation of this board. end of story.

As for the 5 year old Delco crew. It's not to early to rank them nationally... I hear they are getting an NIL deal with New Balance to rep the new Delco Dad Cleats...coming to a lacrosse field near you.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hi. This is a forum for college and high school lacrosse. There is probably a kiddy section for irrelevant kid clubs somewhere else. Can you please go there? Much obliged.

I couldn’t agree more. Two dads arguing about their holdbacks 8th grade teams that are full of 15 and near 16 year olds is not productive or informative.

Wow, you guys are super cool. So sorry to interrupt the banter on a forum that gets 5 posts a year. I’m sure you guys would rather discuss Inter-ac games since you’re paying over $40k a year just so you can drink Moscow Mules, out of your Yetis, behind your Range Rover on a Thursday night.
Actually was hoping to discuss the solid group of 5 year olds coming up in Delco and whether or not it’s too early to start ranking them nationally? What do you guys think about that topic?

Love the banter gentlemen! Keep it up.
I'd love to jump in the water. Anon forums are the best, aren't they? Not an NXT fan, but they are a big boy club that put out a big boy product. Like it or not, their teams are good. Are they the Apex team at their age group. No. Do they compete well enough against those Apex teams? I think so. Just my opinion.

I don't feel like there is much inter-ac banter on here. The malvern's and Haverford's don't need the validation of this board. end of story.

As for the 5 year old Delco crew. It's not to early to rank them nationally... I hear they are getting an NIL deal with New Balance to rep the new Delco Dad Cleats...coming to a lacrosse field near you.

I have it from an inside source that one of the 5 year old Delco players is in the transfer portal to play for NXT.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hi. This is a forum for college and high school lacrosse. There is probably a kiddy section for irrelevant kid clubs somewhere else. Can you please go there? Much obliged.

I couldn’t agree more. Two dads arguing about their holdbacks 8th grade teams that are full of 15 and near 16 year olds is not productive or informative.


I’m sorry I must have missed the rules on this forum. Let’s continue to talk about Malvern and their great start this year….
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hi. This is a forum for college and high school lacrosse. There is probably a kiddy section for irrelevant kid clubs somewhere else. Can you please go there? Much obliged.

I couldn’t agree more. Two dads arguing about their holdbacks 8th grade teams that are full of 15 and near 16 year olds is not productive or informative.


I’m sorry I must have missed the rules on this forum. Let’s continue to talk about Malvern and their great start this year….

Good point. 8th grade club teams with lax dads crowing is much more entertaining. Could NXT 2027s beat Malvern's JV team?
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So then bring up a topic you dult
Not sure when this became strictly HS/College, but, if it is, enlighten us oh wise one.
Let’s hear about your subpar kid riding the bench for the Fords. I’m all ears
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Good point. 8th grade club teams with lax dads crowing is much more entertaining. Could NXT 2027s beat Malvern's JV team?[/quote]

You’re pointing out that these dads are talking about 8th graders but you’re asking if 8th graders could be your 19 year old hold back on jv malvern…come on man be better
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Malvern made a statement by beating a very good ANC team. They need to finish up a tough Inter AC season and then focus on 2027 NXT team.
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Team Ten is probably more their territory but the joke landed strong…well played
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hi. This is a forum for college and high school lacrosse. There is probably a kiddy section for irrelevant kid clubs somewhere else. Can you please go there? Much obliged.

I couldn’t agree more. Two dads arguing about their holdbacks 8th grade teams that are full of 15 and near 16 year olds is not productive or informative.


I’m sorry I must have missed the rules on this forum. Let’s continue to talk about Malvern and their great start this year….

Malvern is living rent free in your head.
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Malvern is living rent free ... in a van down by the river.
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Malvern tears cure cancer.

It is a pity that Malvern has never cried.... ever.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Malvern tears cure cancer.

It is a pity that Malvern has never cried.... ever.

Is that a Pro-Malvern or Anti-Malvern sentiment... It could go either way I suppose. Regardless, these seniors are probably packing their bags for their respective Top Tier D1 Programs and hoping not to blow out a knee in these next few meaningless games. They already got what the need from this level. Bigger and Better on the horizon.
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Yes, great perspective. Not like these boys want to enjoy their last few months with the friendships they’ve established the last 4yrs…onward and upward!
No wonder so many boys burn out; their Dads are living vicariously through them.
Next stop? Top tier DI son…I’ll be there every weekend watching and bragging! Lol
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Headed into the home stretch.before the final standings the order is Fords,ANC, Mannheim, tie Episcopal, Radnor, Malvern.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes, great perspective. Not like these boys want to enjoy their last few months with the friendships they’ve established the last 4yrs…onward and upward!
No wonder so many boys burn out; their Dads are living vicariously through them.
Next stop? Top tier DI son…I’ll be there every weekend watching and bragging! Lol

True. Now imagine a "Dad" being that much of a zealot when they are in 8th grade? The nice thing about high school is it takes away that false bravado of a holdback or advanced 8th grader who is above the talent level of "same age" kids and forces them to improve their complete game.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Malvern tears cure cancer.

It is a pity that Malvern has never cried.... ever.

Must have missed the Radnor loss after other five. Tears and gnashing of teeth.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Malvern tears cure cancer.

It is a pity that Malvern has never cried.... ever.

Must have missed the Radnor loss after other five. Tears and gnashing of teeth.


The moms in the artesian cheese aisle at Whole Foods were very upset.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Malvern tears cure cancer.

It is a pity that Malvern has never cried.... ever.

Must have missed the Radnor loss after other five. Tears and gnashing of teeth.


The moms in the artesian cheese aisle at Whole Foods were very upset.

Not funny and is sad.Old days before there was nothing fancy.Just sweat work nothing fancy pants and no flash and no Whole Foods just acmes best.Smh what happened.
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Fords move to number 4 in country in latest ranks. And quiet about it nice work.
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Nice article about Academy of the New Church at Inside Lacrosse ... https://www.insidelacrosse.com/arti...urch-pa-is-making-national-inroads/61279
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nice article about Academy of the New Church at Inside Lacrosse ... https://www.insidelacrosse.com/arti...urch-pa-is-making-national-inroads/61279
Are we supposed to feel good about thie ANC story? Is it shocking to anybody that a team that recruits nationally is able to play well against other nationally ranked teams?

I’d say the ANC story is more of the problem with the sport rather than a feel good story. How many kids on that team are going to ANC for that faith-based education tauted in the article?

I hope they do a follow up on the program in 2 years. Let’s see where they are at then?

I thought they had a West Point commit too, no? What happened there?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nice article about Academy of the New Church at Inside Lacrosse ... https://www.insidelacrosse.com/arti...urch-pa-is-making-national-inroads/61279
Are we supposed to feel good about thie ANC story? Is it shocking to anybody that a team that recruits nationally is able to play well against other nationally ranked teams?

I’d say the ANC story is more of the problem with the sport rather than a feel good story. How many kids on that team are going to ANC for that faith-based education tauted in the article?

I hope they do a follow up on the program in 2 years. Let’s see where they are at then?

I thought they had a West Point commit too, no? What happened there?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nice article about Academy of the New Church at Inside Lacrosse ... https://www.insidelacrosse.com/arti...urch-pa-is-making-national-inroads/61279
Are we supposed to feel good about thie ANC story? Is it shocking to anybody that a team that recruits nationally is able to play well against other nationally ranked teams?

I’d say the ANC story is more of the problem with the sport rather than a feel good story. How many kids on that team are going to ANC for that faith-based education tauted in the article?

I hope they do a follow up on the program in 2 years. Let’s see where they are at then?

I thought they had a West Point commit too, no? What happened there?

I think the player who was going to West Point decided to switch and attend another school. It's not like he said "America [Censored]", he just felt this other school was a better fit for him. He didn't burn the American flag and spray paint the statue of liberty....just chose another school. ANC doesn't claim to be anything that it is not. No different from Westtown, Malvern, and to a lesser extent Haverford. They want to promote their school and lacrosse is a good stage to do that. As far as the religious aspect of the school....I am pretty sure they worship Satan and made a deal with the devil to get into the top 25.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nice article about Academy of the New Church at Inside Lacrosse ... https://www.insidelacrosse.com/arti...urch-pa-is-making-national-inroads/61279
Are we supposed to feel good about thie ANC story? Is it shocking to anybody that a team that recruits nationally is able to play well against other nationally ranked teams?

I’d say the ANC story is more of the problem with the sport rather than a feel good story. How many kids on that team are going to ANC for that faith-based education tauted in the article?

I hope they do a follow up on the program in 2 years. Let’s see where they are at then?

I thought they had a West Point commit too, no? What happened there?

I think the player who was going to West Point decided to switch and attend another school. It's not like he said "America [Censored]", he just felt this other school was a better fit for him. He didn't burn the American flag and spray paint the statue of liberty....just chose another school. ANC doesn't claim to be anything that it is not. No different from Westtown, Malvern, and to a lesser extent Haverford. They want to promote their school and lacrosse is a good stage to do that. As far as the religious aspect of the school....I am pretty sure they worship Satan and made a deal with the devil to get into the top 25.


West Point kid is now Penn State commit as stated in the article. He comes from a PSU family and felt it was a better fit.
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What a lost you are; how dare ANC use lacrosse as an opportunity to promote an otherwise little known faith-based HS,..the nerve!
If you knew anything about the school itself, you’d know how diverse their student body is, how welcoming the community is to children from all walks of life.
What an obtuse thing to say…
And while Hunter changed his mind, they have an alum (AP) playing for West Point currently.
Kudos to ANC; keep flourishing!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
What a lost you are; how dare ANC use lacrosse as an opportunity to promote an otherwise little known faith-based HS,..the nerve!
If you knew anything about the school itself, you’d know how diverse their student body is, how welcoming the community is to children from all walks of life.
What an obtuse thing to say…
And while Hunter changed his mind, they have an alum (AP) playing for West Point currently.
Kudos to ANC; keep flourishing!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What a lost you are; how dare ANC use lacrosse as an opportunity to promote an otherwise little known faith-based HS,..the nerve!
If you knew anything about the school itself, you’d know how diverse their student body is, how welcoming the community is to children from all walks of life.
What an obtuse thing to say…
And while Hunter changed his mind, they have an alum (AP) playing for West Point currently.
Kudos to ANC; keep flourishing!

ANC Lacrosse will be back too irrelevant in 2 years. Who cares... Can we get back to the Malvern trainwreck?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nice article about Academy of the New Church at Inside Lacrosse ... https://www.insidelacrosse.com/arti...urch-pa-is-making-national-inroads/61279

So I am supposed to believe the kid who went to Camden Catholic suddenly discovered the Quaker religion and ditched everything who learned the past 10 years? I am pretty sure the only reason he is at ANC is because of lax. Let’s not make it something it is not.
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You think boys go to Malvern because of the strong academics and Catholic faith-based tutelage?
Open your eyes, spanky
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nice article about Academy of the New Church at Inside Lacrosse ... https://www.insidelacrosse.com/arti...urch-pa-is-making-national-inroads/61279

So I am supposed to believe the kid who went to Camden Catholic suddenly discovered the Quaker religion and ditched everything who learned the past 10 years? I am pretty sure the only reason he is at ANC is because of lax. Let’s not make it something it is not.

ANC follows the teachings of Emanuel Swedenborg. They are their only special brand of spaghetti monster belief. Probably not all that different… but yes, let’s not fawn over some altruistic purpose here. It’s clearly all lax .
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Nxt spring league championship tournament coming up very fast. Zingos or jersey express beat daddy ball TEN and make them regret for ducking the Hots and Mesa in the regular season again. Do the Hots beat Mesa after the Mesa loss to a rising Nxt that is ready to take on the Prep.draft kings has the Hots as the champ favorite in a league of parity. Go.
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Come on Philly lax we are better than this put down stuff.Celebrate the winners we have in good lax.Fords are a top four team in country.Good for them and Philly lax.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nxt spring league championship tournament coming up very fast. Zingos or jersey express beat daddy ball TEN and make them regret for ducking the Hots and Mesa in the regular season again. Do the Hots beat Mesa after the Mesa loss to a rising Nxt that is ready to take on the Prep.draft kings has the Hots as the champ favorite in a league of parity. Go.
It is going to be exciting - especially with the little bar set up the Proving Grounds has .... what an awesome idea
NXT is resting for their Malvern game
But seriously Ten v reds for the chip and Red Hot for the win
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nxt spring league championship tournament coming up very fast. Zingos or jersey express beat daddy ball TEN and make them regret for ducking the Hots and Mesa in the regular season again. Do the Hots beat Mesa after the Mesa loss to a rising Nxt that is ready to take on the Prep.draft kings has the Hots as the champ favorite in a league of parity. Go.

TEN can only play who they put on the schedule for them. Nxt played mesa during spring break so can't really deduce anything from that one. Love that Red Hots and Cherries are in the Winner's Bracket. NXT Spring League is on par with HoCo Baby!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nxt spring league championship tournament coming up very fast. Zingos or jersey express beat daddy ball TEN and make them regret for ducking the Hots and Mesa in the regular season again. Do the Hots beat Mesa after the Mesa loss to a rising Nxt that is ready to take on the Prep.draft kings has the Hots as the champ favorite in a league of parity. Go.

TEN can only play who they put on the schedule for them. Nxt played mesa during spring break so can't really deduce anything from that one. Love that Red Hots and Cherries are in the Winner's Bracket. NXT Spring League is on par with HoCo Baby!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nxt spring league championship tournament coming up very fast. Zingos or jersey express beat daddy ball TEN and make them regret for ducking the Hots and Mesa in the regular season again. Do the Hots beat Mesa after the Mesa loss to a rising Nxt that is ready to take on the Prep.draft kings has the Hots as the champ favorite in a league of parity. Go.
It is going to be exciting - especially with the little bar set up the Proving Grounds has .... what an awesome idea
NXT is resting for their Malvern game
But seriously Ten v reds for the chip and Red Hot for the win

Hots get the Chip’ for sure, they’ve already mailed out plane tickets to all 73 kids on the roster
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
You think boys go to Malvern because of the strong academics and Catholic faith-based tutelage?
Open your eyes, spanky

Good to see Malvern is still living rent free in your head.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You think boys go to Malvern because of the strong academics and Catholic faith-based tutelage?
Open your eyes, spanky

Good to see Malvern is still living rent free in your head.
NXT is living rent free in Malvern’s head.
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Good one, nerd
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Might try spending time in there own heads with all the losses.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would not say "laughable". You could easily make the argument that Rustin has the most potent attack line in the Chesmont, and they do have their own "all state" player at midfield and a very good goalie. I agree that Deast is the better team, but Rustin is not far behind and Rustin has about half the student population that Deast pulls from.

That kid from Wissahickon is incredible. Radnor is still the top team then Deast, Dwest, maybe Spring Ford and Springfield but Wissahickon is stepping up to that second tier.

Downingtown east has 40 players on their team both JV and Varsity. Don’t bring up the school population game to make Rustin look better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
uote=Anonymous]Downingtown has 866 boys who attend the school according to the PIAA while Rustin has 466. So you are telling me that having another 400 boys who can potentially play lacrosse is not an advantage when you are putting together your 40 man roster?

The point is yes they have 400 more boys, but none of them play lacrosse so it doesn’t matter. Those extra 400 boys does nothing for them since they barely have anyone even playing lacrosse at east. East struggles to field a JV team, begging kids to play the sport practically. When Rustin on the other hand yes has less boys at their disposal hypothetically, but has a bigger team. Maybe east should start complaining that they have a 40 person team vs radnors 70 person team and that it’s not fair. Think about it logically, East has zero advantage over Rustin because of population don’t try and play that game.[/quote]

the issue is the make up of the kids....due to STEM DEast has a large base of kids that have zero desire to play any American sports
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would not say "laughable". You could easily make the argument that Rustin has the most potent attack line in the Chesmont, and they do have their own "all state" player at midfield and a very good goalie. I agree that Deast is the better team, but Rustin is not far behind and Rustin has about half the student population that Deast pulls from.

That kid from Wissahickon is incredible. Radnor is still the top team then Deast, Dwest, maybe Spring Ford and Springfield but Wissahickon is stepping up to that second tier.

Downingtown east has 40 players on their team both JV and Varsity. Don’t bring up the school population game to make Rustin look better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
uote=Anonymous]Downingtown has 866 boys who attend the school according to the PIAA while Rustin has 466. So you are telling me that having another 400 boys who can potentially play lacrosse is not an advantage when you are putting together your 40 man roster?

The point is yes they have 400 more boys, but none of them play lacrosse so it doesn’t matter. Those extra 400 boys does nothing for them since they barely have anyone even playing lacrosse at east. East struggles to field a JV team, begging kids to play the sport practically. When Rustin on the other hand yes has less boys at their disposal hypothetically, but has a bigger team. Maybe east should start complaining that they have a 40 person team vs radnors 70 person team and that it’s not fair. Think about it logically, East has zero advantage over Rustin because of population don’t try and play that game.

the issue is the make up of the kids....due to STEM DEast has a large base of kids that have zero desire to play any American sports[/quote]


Go on.......
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nxt spring league championship tournament coming up very fast. Zingos or jersey express beat daddy ball TEN and make them regret for ducking the Hots and Mesa in the regular season again. Do the Hots beat Mesa after the Mesa loss to a rising Nxt that is ready to take on the Prep.draft kings has the Hots as the champ favorite in a league of parity. Go.

Why is TEN daddy ball? I didn’t think they had dad coaches?
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Team TEN 27 undefeated, beat every wiener club you mentioned. Daddy Coach doing something right
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nxt spring league championship tournament coming up very fast. Zingos or jersey express beat daddy ball TEN and make them regret for ducking the Hots and Mesa in the regular season again. Do the Hots beat Mesa after the Mesa loss to a rising Nxt that is ready to take on the Prep.draft kings has the Hots as the champ favorite in a league of parity. Go.

Why is TEN daddy ball? I didn’t think they had dad coaches?

No dog in this fight, but I hear there are some serious politics when it comes to playing time on that team.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would not say "laughable". You could easily make the argument that Rustin has the most potent attack line in the Chesmont, and they do have their own "all state" player at midfield and a very good goalie. I agree that Deast is the better team, but Rustin is not far behind and Rustin has about half the student population that Deast pulls from.

That kid from Wissahickon is incredible. Radnor is still the top team then Deast, Dwest, maybe Spring Ford and Springfield but Wissahickon is stepping up to that second tier.

Downingtown east has 40 players on their team both JV and Varsity. Don’t bring up the school population game to make Rustin look better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
uote=Anonymous]Downingtown has 866 boys who attend the school according to the PIAA while Rustin has 466. So you are telling me that having another 400 boys who can potentially play lacrosse is not an advantage when you are putting together your 40 man roster?

The point is yes they have 400 more boys, but none of them play lacrosse so it doesn’t matter. Those extra 400 boys does nothing for them since they barely have anyone even playing lacrosse at east. East struggles to field a JV team, begging kids to play the sport practically. When Rustin on the other hand yes has less boys at their disposal hypothetically, but has a bigger team. Maybe east should start complaining that they have a 40 person team vs radnors 70 person team and that it’s not fair. Think about it logically, East has zero advantage over Rustin because of population don’t try and play that game.

the issue is the make up of the kids....due to STEM DEast has a large base of kids that have zero desire to play any American sports


Go on.......[/quote]

Hold on....Downingtown East and West have successful feeder programs at the rec level and very good middle school teams. Don't act like they can't get kids. They have a clear advantage over the smaller schools like Rustin, Henderson, WC East, and Shanahan.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would not say "laughable". You could easily make the argument that Rustin has the most potent attack line in the Chesmont, and they do have their own "all state" player at midfield and a very good goalie. I agree that Deast is the better team, but Rustin is not far behind and Rustin has about half the student population that Deast pulls from.

That kid from Wissahickon is incredible. Radnor is still the top team then Deast, Dwest, maybe Spring Ford and Springfield but Wissahickon is stepping up to that second tier.

Downingtown east has 40 players on their team both JV and Varsity. Don’t bring up the school population game to make Rustin look better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
uote=Anonymous]Downingtown has 866 boys who attend the school according to the PIAA while Rustin has 466. So you are telling me that having another 400 boys who can potentially play lacrosse is not an advantage when you are putting together your 40 man roster?

The point is yes they have 400 more boys, but none of them play lacrosse so it doesn’t matter. Those extra 400 boys does nothing for them since they barely have anyone even playing lacrosse at east. East struggles to field a JV team, begging kids to play the sport practically. When Rustin on the other hand yes has less boys at their disposal hypothetically, but has a bigger team. Maybe east should start complaining that they have a 40 person team vs radnors 70 person team and that it’s not fair. Think about it logically, East has zero advantage over Rustin because of population don’t try and play that game.

the issue is the make up of the kids....due to STEM DEast has a large base of kids that have zero desire to play any American sports


Go on.......

Hold on....Downingtown East and West have successful feeder programs at the rec level and very good middle school teams. Don't act like they can't get kids. They have a clear advantage over the smaller schools like Rustin, Henderson, WC East, and Shanahan.[/quote]

West had 80 plus try out
East has 1/2 that number…
Tennis and cricket #’s are thru the roof at East
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would not say "laughable". You could easily make the argument that Rustin has the most potent attack line in the Chesmont, and they do have their own "all state" player at midfield and a very good goalie. I agree that Deast is the better team, but Rustin is not far behind and Rustin has about half the student population that Deast pulls from.

That kid from Wissahickon is incredible. Radnor is still the top team then Deast, Dwest, maybe Spring Ford and Springfield but Wissahickon is stepping up to that second tier.

Downingtown east has 40 players on their team both JV and Varsity. Don’t bring up the school population game to make Rustin look better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
uote=Anonymous]Downingtown has 866 boys who attend the school according to the PIAA while Rustin has 466. So you are telling me that having another 400 boys who can potentially play lacrosse is not an advantage when you are putting together your 40 man roster?

The point is yes they have 400 more boys, but none of them play lacrosse so it doesn’t matter. Those extra 400 boys does nothing for them since they barely have anyone even playing lacrosse at east. East struggles to field a JV team, begging kids to play the sport practically. When Rustin on the other hand yes has less boys at their disposal hypothetically, but has a bigger team. Maybe east should start complaining that they have a 40 person team vs radnors 70 person team and that it’s not fair. Think about it logically, East has zero advantage over Rustin because of population don’t try and play that game.

the issue is the make up of the kids....due to STEM DEast has a large base of kids that have zero desire to play any American sports


Go on.......

Hold on....Downingtown East and West have successful feeder programs at the rec level and very good middle school teams. Don't act like they can't get kids. They have a clear advantage over the smaller schools like Rustin, Henderson, WC East, and Shanahan.

West had 80 plus try out
East has 1/2 that number…
Tennis and cricket #’s are thru the roof at East[/quote]

Correct- East had about 40 kids go out for high school lacrosse. Lionville which feeds East had less than 25 kids go out for the team, that’s 7th and 8th combined.
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No dog in this fight, but I hear there are some serious politics when it comes to playing time on that team.[/quote]

Strange you say that as it looks like a pretty stacked team so if someone isn't playing much it appear time for them (or their dad) to evaluate what is important to them... winning or playing. Just an observer who has watched them roll the team my son is on.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
No dog in this fight, but I hear there are some serious politics when it comes to playing time on that team.

Strange you say that as it looks like a pretty stacked team so if someone isn't playing much it appear time for them (or their dad) to evaluate what is important to them... winning or playing. Just an observer who has watched them roll the team my son is on.[/quote]

Gotta love posts that start with “I hear “, what should follow is a disclaimer that says “I’m about to spew some serious BS”
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Not sure what politics are at play. The coaches are doing a nice job making sure all of the kids get time. Last year seemed to be a little more focused on getting the win, rather then getting game time for the bottom end of the roster. If not playing just your best players is politics, then you would be correct. This is 8th grade lacrosse; winning isn't everything. Team TEN has made some games closer than needed and lost a couple of games by playing all the kids. To me this is fine. The boys are having fun and playing well as a team.

One of the three coaches is a dad who has been coaching a lot of these boys since second grade. He is doing a great job and his son does not seem to be getting inordinate playing time or special treatment. I for one appreciate the time and effort he has put into developing my son as a player.
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Thanks for the essay dad coach but a quick look this weekend at the spring league shows daddys everywhere running the show just like always.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thanks for the essay dad coach but a quick look this weekend at the spring league shows daddys everywhere running the show just like always.
Maybe you should get involved and share you talent with the kids. This is 8th grade lacrosse, who do you want to coach them?
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Thanks for the essay dad coach but a quick look this weekend at the spring league shows daddys everywhere running the show just like always.

NXT is a professional organization with 100% Professional Coaches across the board at every level. No Daddy Ball there.
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No daddyball at NXT; just terrible coaches that overpromise parents and run plays for whatever kid they deem the best.
NXT is so weak…as is their coachClint staff at every age.
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NXT is a professional organization with 100% Professional Coaches across the board at every level. No Daddy Ball there.[/quote]

And in 7th place in spring league so daddy ball sounds better!
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Enough 2027 talk... St Anthony's V. Haverford School Saturday, can any PA stand up to to the NY powerhouse?
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Enough 2027 dad talk
St. Anthony's V Haverford Saturday.... Can Haverford win?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thanks for the essay dad coach but a quick look this weekend at the spring league shows daddys everywhere running the show just like always.

NXT is a professional organization with 100% Professional Coaches across the board at every level. No Daddy Ball there.

No way MESA is way better with the proven track record and the best coach in the country.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thanks for the essay dad coach but a quick look this weekend at the spring league shows daddys everywhere running the show just like always.

NXT is a professional organization with 100% Professional Coaches across the board at every level. No Daddy Ball there.

No way MESA is way better with the proven track record and the best coach in the country.

Let’s review-27 area teams
Mesa-dad coach, maybe 2 actually
Ten-dad coach
NXT-not a dad coach but corporate AF
Freedom-dad coach
HHH-who cares, basically a girls club now
Fusion-not dad coach but not strong teams
Brotherly Love-dad coach and corporate AF
Roughriders-will start with dad coach, promise professional coach and then never do it so every team blows up around middle school

No team is perfect so please don’t act like your team has it figured out, if you’re lucky your son is on a team with kids he likes, they’re competitive and the coach is fair
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Let’s review-27 area teams
Mesa-dad coach, maybe 2 actually
Ten-dad coach
NXT-not a dad coach but corporate AF
Freedom-dad coach
HHH-who cares, basically a girls club now
Fusion-not dad coach but not strong teams
Brotherly Love-dad coach and corporate AF
Roughriders-will start with dad coach, promise professional coach and then never do it so every team blows up around middle school

No team is perfect so please don’t act like your team has it figured out, if you’re lucky your son is on a team with kids he likes, they’re competitive and the coach is fair[/quote]

RR comment is true but they are now coached by Heisman and despite not a dad coach the team is irrelevant.
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Red Hots prediction didn't age well. Lost to Cherries after beating them 14-2 a few weeks ago. I guess the out of state kids didn't show up this weekend.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thanks for the essay dad coach but a quick look this weekend at the spring league shows daddys everywhere running the show just like always.

NXT is a professional organization with 100% Professional Coaches across the board at every level. No Daddy Ball there.

No way MESA is way better with the proven track record and the best coach in the country.

Let’s review-27 area teams
Mesa-dad coach, maybe 2 actually
Ten-dad coach
NXT-not a dad coach but corporate AF
Freedom-dad coach
HHH-who cares, basically a girls club now
Fusion-not dad coach but not strong teams
Brotherly Love-dad coach and corporate AF
Roughriders-will start with dad coach, promise professional coach and then never do it so every team blows up around middle school

No team is perfect so please don’t act like your team has it figured out, if you’re lucky your son is on a team with kids he likes, they’re competitive and the coach is fair

Good analysis of the landscape there. I think it should be pretty clear to anybody paying attention that the Club games aren't about X's and O's and who's got the best scheme (you know...coaching). To that end, no wonder there are so many dad's coaching and so many dad's having great success with teams like Ten/Mesa. Talent on the roster wins club games, not coaching. To that end, if Red Hots show up with the full roster, they are crushing fools. When they don't have a full roster, they are normal. Was it the coaching? or the roster?
I agree that talent on rosters generally wins games. The talent on Mesa and Team TEN is very close. Both Mesa and Team TEN have excellent Dad coaches, who played D1. They work hard to put their teams in a great position to win games. Because both of them hold down non-lacrosse jobs does not diminish their talents as coaches. Team Ten also has two paid coaches who are getting a lot out of the boys. To me, Red Hots are an odd "team". They are inviting Team Ten, Mesa and every other hot shot kid to play for them at tournaments. There is no doubt the Red Hots have access to a lot of incredible players, it is just hard to see how much they are getting coached and developed. They are awesome players and the exposure will be great.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous2027
I agree that talent on rosters generally wins games. The talent on Mesa and Team TEN is very close. Both Mesa and Team TEN have excellent Dad coaches, who played D1. They work hard to put their teams in a great position to win games. Because both of them hold down non-lacrosse jobs does not diminish their talents as coaches. Team Ten also has two paid coaches who are getting a lot out of the boys. To me, Red Hots are an odd "team". They are inviting Team Ten, Mesa and every other hot shot kid to play for them at tournaments. There is no doubt the Red Hots have access to a lot of incredible players, it is just hard to see how much they are getting coached and developed. They are awesome players and the exposure will be great.

My son wanted to stick around to watch that game last night. It was a fantastic game and to say it got chippy is an understatement. I had no skin in the game but as it went on I found myself pulling for Team Ten. The Two Mesa coaches should be embarrassed, especially the clown in the white hat. I have seen seen such theatrics, whining and outright lobbying of referees. I’d think if they had spent more time coaching their team and less time making fools of themselves that they would’ve given their kids a better chance to win.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous2027
I agree that talent on rosters generally wins games. The talent on Mesa and Team TEN is very close. Both Mesa and Team TEN have excellent Dad coaches, who played D1. They work hard to put their teams in a great position to win games. Because both of them hold down non-lacrosse jobs does not diminish their talents as coaches. Team Ten also has two paid coaches who are getting a lot out of the boys. To me, Red Hots are an odd "team". They are inviting Team Ten, Mesa and every other hot shot kid to play for them at tournaments. There is no doubt the Red Hots have access to a lot of incredible players, it is just hard to see how much they are getting coached and developed. They are awesome players and the exposure will be great.

My son wanted to stick around to watch that game last night. It was a fantastic game and to say it got chippy is an understatement. I had no skin in the game but as it went on I found myself pulling for Team Ten. The Two Mesa coaches should be embarrassed, especially the clown in the white hat. I have seen seen such theatrics, whining and outright lobbying of referees. I’d think if they had spent more time coaching their team and less time making fools of themselves that they would’ve given their kids a better chance to win.
When you say it got "chippy"? Do you mean the players were having issues or were the coaches elevating that side of the game?
It was "chippy" both in terms of the players and the coaches. The Mesa coaches complained about every non-call or hit. One of the Team Ten coaches came half way on the field to complain, while the kid who was blown up was still on the ground. If it was a clean hit or not is in the eye of the beholder, but a hit like that with a guy staying down awhile is likely going to (and probably should) result in man down in 8th grade. Team Ten had some big hits. Got called for most but not all. Mesa swung their sticks a lot! One two handed baseball bat swing into the chest of a Team Ten attackmen. Refs called the game with about 55 seconds left after another questionable Mesa hit put them man down.

Refs probably should have called it tighter from the start. The Refs let them play.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous2027
I agree that talent on rosters generally wins games. The talent on Mesa and Team TEN is very close. Both Mesa and Team TEN have excellent Dad coaches, who played D1. They work hard to put their teams in a great position to win games. Because both of them hold down non-lacrosse jobs does not diminish their talents as coaches. Team Ten also has two paid coaches who are getting a lot out of the boys. To me, Red Hots are an odd "team". They are inviting Team Ten, Mesa and every other hot shot kid to play for them at tournaments. There is no doubt the Red Hots have access to a lot of incredible players, it is just hard to see how much they are getting coached and developed. They are awesome players and the exposure will be great.

My son wanted to stick around to watch that game last night. It was a fantastic game and to say it got chippy is an understatement. I had no skin in the game but as it went on I found myself pulling for Team Ten. The Two Mesa coaches should be embarrassed, especially the clown in the white hat. I have seen seen such theatrics, whining and outright lobbying of referees. I’d think if they had spent more time coaching their team and less time making fools of themselves that they would’ve given their kids a better chance to win.

Is white hat loud mouth same guy who got in trouble last year? Embarrassing for him and family and the name drops to the ref was cringe. At least he wasn’t ejected this year. on the other side weren’t much better encouraging dirty hits as usual from the fat dad. Other daddy is useless. At least the one Mesa daddy coach played for a real college program unlike the useless daddy coach o nthe other team. His college team was a club team. If you are a real player go to the Hots for middle school and escape team daddy.
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Come to the Red Hots where we use great guest players to cover for our lack of player development. You should be aware that when we are short guest players the team will have trouble competing with above average teams. On the plus side, we will teach you the value name calling and poking fun at peoples weight. Please know that if you don't go to a top tier D1 program you have no value as a lacrosse player or future coach. You will need to return all Red Hots merch and being forbid to speak of having been on the team. Another plus is you will receive a lot of feedback from bitter parents who peaked in high school and are bitter they have not been allowed to be a daddy coach.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous2027
I agree that talent on rosters generally wins games. The talent on Mesa and Team TEN is very close. Both Mesa and Team TEN have excellent Dad coaches, who played D1. They work hard to put their teams in a great position to win games. Because both of them hold down non-lacrosse jobs does not diminish their talents as coaches. Team Ten also has two paid coaches who are getting a lot out of the boys. To me, Red Hots are an odd "team". They are inviting Team Ten, Mesa and every other hot shot kid to play for them at tournaments. There is no doubt the Red Hots have access to a lot of incredible players, it is just hard to see how much they are getting coached and developed. They are awesome players and the exposure will be great.

My son wanted to stick around to watch that game last night. It was a fantastic game and to say it got chippy is an understatement. I had no skin in the game but as it went on I found myself pulling for Team Ten. The Two Mesa coaches should be embarrassed, especially the clown in the white hat. I have seen seen such theatrics, whining and outright lobbying of referees. I’d think if they had spent more time coaching their team and less time making fools of themselves that they would’ve given their kids a better chance to win.

Is white hat loud mouth same guy who got in trouble last year? Embarrassing for him and family and the name drops to the ref was cringe. At least he wasn’t ejected this year. on the other side weren’t much better encouraging dirty hits as usual from the fat dad. Other daddy is useless. At least the one Mesa daddy coach played for a real college program unlike the useless daddy coach o nthe other team. His college team was a club team. If you are a real player go to the Hots for middle school and escape team daddy.

More color on lout in white hat, dirty hit fat daddy, useless college club daddy.
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More color on lout in white hat, dirty hit fat daddy, useless college club daddy.[/quote]

Ummm what?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
More color on lout in white hat, dirty hit fat daddy, useless college club daddy.

Ummm what?[/quote]

I love that two grown men are arguing about a 13 year old lacrosse team.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
More color on lout in white hat, dirty hit fat daddy, useless college club daddy.

Ummm what?

I love that two grown men are arguing about a 13 year old lacrosse team.[/quote]

Thanks for the Alley-oop! Ahem...Ahem.. you know they are 14 or 15 years old at this point. holdbacks are killing the game for our on age sons.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
More color on lout in white hat, dirty hit fat daddy, useless college club daddy.

Ummm what?

I love that two grown men are arguing about a 13 year old lacrosse team.[/quote]

But here you are…hit the wall!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
More color on lout in white hat, dirty hit fat daddy, useless college club daddy.

Ummm what?

I love that two grown men are arguing about a 13 year old lacrosse team.

But here you are…hit the wall![/quote]

Where else am I going to hear about the Hot Cherries travel team and the exploits of 40 year old coaches acting like adolescents. Only to be out done a couple of dads who believ their child will be playing on Memorial Day weekend in 5 years.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team TEN 27 undefeated, beat every wiener club you mentioned. Daddy Coach doing something right

This one was funny from either dirty hit fat d daddy coach or college club daddy coach.
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That kid from Wissahickon is incredible. Radnor is still the top team then Deast, Dwest, maybe Spring Ford and Springfield but Wissahickon is stepping up to that second tier.[/quote]

Downingtown east has 40 players on their team both JV and Varsity. Don’t bring up the school population game to make Rustin look better.[/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous
uote=Anonymous]Downingtown has 866 boys who attend the school according to the PIAA while Rustin has 466. So you are telling me that having another 400 boys who can potentially play lacrosse is not an advantage when you are putting together your 40 man roster?

The point is yes they have 400 more boys, but none of them play lacrosse so it doesn’t matter. Those extra 400 boys does nothing for them since they barely have anyone even playing lacrosse at east. East struggles to field a JV team, begging kids to play the sport practically. When Rustin on the other hand yes has less boys at their disposal hypothetically, but has a bigger team. Maybe east should start complaining that they have a 40 person team vs radnors 70 person team and that it’s not fair. Think about it logically, East has zero advantage over Rustin because of population don’t try and play that game.[/quote]

the issue is the make up of the kids....due to STEM DEast has a large base of kids that have zero desire to play any American sports[/quote]


Go on.......[/quote]

Hold on....Downingtown East and West have successful feeder programs at the rec level and very good middle school teams. Don't act like they can't get kids. They have a clear advantage over the smaller schools like Rustin, Henderson, WC East, and Shanahan.[/quote]

West had 80 plus try out
East has 1/2 that number…
Tennis and cricket #’s are thru the roof at East[/quote]

Correct- East had about 40 kids go out for high school lacrosse. Lionville which feeds East had less than 25 kids go out for the team, that’s 7th and 8th combined.[/quote]

Just a little budget would go a long way. For West or East. Admins give just twenty or thirty k for middle school and there would be state titles back. With contracts at that level and great pride in programs it is back to the old days with a few years.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
That kid from Wissahickon is incredible. Radnor is still the top team then Deast, Dwest, maybe Spring Ford and Springfield but Wissahickon is stepping up to that second tier.

Downingtown east has 40 players on their team both JV and Varsity. Don’t bring up the school population game to make Rustin look better.[/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous
uote=Anonymous]Downingtown has 866 boys who attend the school according to the PIAA while Rustin has 466. So you are telling me that having another 400 boys who can potentially play lacrosse is not an advantage when you are putting together your 40 man roster?

The point is yes they have 400 more boys, but none of them play lacrosse so it doesn’t matter. Those extra 400 boys does nothing for them since they barely have anyone even playing lacrosse at east. East struggles to field a JV team, begging kids to play the sport practically. When Rustin on the other hand yes has less boys at their disposal hypothetically, but has a bigger team. Maybe east should start complaining that they have a 40 person team vs radnors 70 person team and that it’s not fair. Think about it logically, East has zero advantage over Rustin because of population don’t try and play that game.[/quote]

the issue is the make up of the kids....due to STEM DEast has a large base of kids that have zero desire to play any American sports[/quote]


Go on.......[/quote]

Hold on....Downingtown East and West have successful feeder programs at the rec level and very good middle school teams. Don't act like they can't get kids. They have a clear advantage over the smaller schools like Rustin, Henderson, WC East, and Shanahan.[/quote]

West had 80 plus try out
East has 1/2 that number…
Tennis and cricket #’s are thru the roof at East[/quote]

Correct- East had about 40 kids go out for high school lacrosse. Lionville which feeds East had less than 25 kids go out for the team, that’s 7th and 8th combined.[/quote]

Just a little budget would go a long way. For West or East. Admins give just twenty or thirty k for middle school and there would be state titles back. With contracts at that level and great pride in programs it is back to the old days with a few years.[/quote]

So being one of the larger schools in the area is not enough? Now they need $30k to build up their feeder system.

How do small schools like Shanahan, Pope John Paul, and Devon compete?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team TEN 27 undefeated, beat every wiener club you mentioned. Daddy Coach doing something right

This one was funny from either dirty hit fat d daddy coach or college club daddy coach.

We have a middle age daddy name calling. Kind of pathetic.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That kid from Wissahickon is incredible. Radnor is still the top team then Deast, Dwest, maybe Spring Ford and Springfield but Wissahickon is stepping up to that second tier.

Downingtown east has 40 players on their team both JV and Varsity. Don’t bring up the school population game to make Rustin look better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
uote=Anonymous]Downingtown has 866 boys who attend the school according to the PIAA while Rustin has 466. So you are telling me that having another 400 boys who can potentially play lacrosse is not an advantage when you are putting together your 40 man roster?

The point is yes they have 400 more boys, but none of them play lacrosse so it doesn’t matter. Those extra 400 boys does nothing for them since they barely have anyone even playing lacrosse at east. East struggles to field a JV team, begging kids to play the sport practically. When Rustin on the other hand yes has less boys at their disposal hypothetically, but has a bigger team. Maybe east should start complaining that they have a 40 person team vs radnors 70 person team and that it’s not fair. Think about it logically, East has zero advantage over Rustin because of population don’t try and play that game.[/quote]

the issue is the make up of the kids....due to STEM DEast has a large base of kids that have zero desire to play any American sports[/quote]


Go on.......[/quote]

Hold on....Downingtown East and West have successful feeder programs at the rec level and very good middle school teams. Don't act like they can't get kids. They have a clear advantage over the smaller schools like Rustin, Henderson, WC East, and Shanahan.[/quote]

West had 80 plus try out
East has 1/2 that number…
Tennis and cricket #’s are thru the roof at East[/quote]

Correct- East had about 40 kids go out for high school lacrosse. Lionville which feeds East had less than 25 kids go out for the team, that’s 7th and 8th combined.[/quote]

Just a little budget would go a long way. For West or East. Admins give just twenty or thirty k for middle school and there would be state titles back. With contracts at that level and great pride in programs it is back to the old days with a few years.[/quote]

So being one of the larger schools in the area is not enough? Now they need $30k to build up their feeder system.

How do small schools like Shanahan, Pope John Paul, and Devon compete?[/quote]

Simple-Devon and PJP just need a coach to identify 3-4 players a year and recruit, it’s how you build a program at these smaller schools.
Shanahan was very lucky for a number of years because they had Freedom owner pushing hard/recruiting to get talent around his kids. Any coincidence the program has dropped off of a cliff since his kids have all graduated?
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You may not have understood my question. Devon, PJP, and Shanahan all compete despite having enrollments significantly smaller then the other schools and no feeder systems.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
You may not have understood my question. Devon, PJP, and Shanahan all compete despite having enrollments significantly smaller then the other schools and no feeder systems.
I think the previous poster was saying that those schools aren't geographically bound like public schools and thus can recruit athletes from other areas to play.
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What happened with Chris Bates at EA?
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Congratulations to Malvern Prep.
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Bates let go last Monday. EA played the InterAc Semi’s v Malvern without him on Wednesday. Surprised nothing from Phillylacrosse or Chandik about his firing.
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The boys showed out when it mattered most. They just flat out wanted it more.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
The boys showed out when it mattered most. They just flat out wanted it more.
Very true. Haverford was the better team, but Malvern rose to the occasion once more when it counted.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bates let go last Monday. EA played the InterAc Semi’s v Malvern without him on Wednesday. Surprised nothing from Phillylacrosse or Chandik about his firing.

I am not sure it was public knowledge more rumors going around. If you listened to the game Wednesday by SFNB the announcers even noted Bates not on the sideline and had no idea why. The story is still developing and not sure it will ever be fully known.
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who is the top replacement choice? Any former EA alums out there in the running?
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EA athletic director Todd Fairlie is not liked or respected. Alumni know this. Who would want to work under a guy that just fired Bates impulsively two days before a MP playoff game…in the middle of finals?
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Applicants please note - administrators have no moral code. Videoing minors without their knowledge to try to set up coaches and players considered a strong plus.
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Good try TJ. We all know you gave the orders to Todd over the weekend. Go back to your cookies….
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Bring in Marty to clean up this mess.
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Todd Fairlie so incompetent and clueless about working the lacrosse network. He is a delco guy who now acts like an elitist wearing Gucci loafers pawning the job search off to his secretary like he is a CEO. Instead of working the lacrosse network he posts on Indeed blindly searching for candidates. Spending his free time picking out brand new uniforms and hiring additional staff for his football team.

Probably has no clue who Marty is.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Todd Fairlie so incompetent and clueless about working the lacrosse network. He is a delco guy who now acts like an elitist wearing Gucci loafers pawning the job search off to his secretary like he is a CEO. Instead of working the lacrosse network he posts on Indeed blindly searching for candidates. Spending his free time picking out brand new uniforms and hiring additional staff for his football team.

Probably has no clue who Marty is.
They should bring in P.T. Ricci for an interview. Stand out player at Loyola, extensive coaching experience including a current assistant with with Whipsnakes, and a good guy. Not sure if he is a fit for EA, but my son really benefitted by being coached by him.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bring in Marty to clean up this mess.

Bring back the old assistant coach that was let go when the team stunk to replace the pro coaches that won and everyone liked. What other great ideas are cooking other than making a kiddy coach a first time head coach,,,,,maybe head to the friends league from the interac smh
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bring in Marty to clean up this mess.

Bring back the old assistant coach that was let go when the team stunk to replace the pro coaches that won and everyone liked. What other great ideas are cooking other than making a kiddy coach a first time head coach,,,,,maybe head to the friends league from the interac smh

Last I checked, Haverford is benefitting greatly from their association. There is a whole sphere of influence that follows.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bring in Marty to clean up this mess.

Bring back the old assistant coach that was let go when the team stunk to replace the pro coaches that won and everyone liked. What other great ideas are cooking other than making a kiddy coach a first time head coach,,,,,maybe head to the friends league from the interac smh

Last I checked, Haverford is benefitting greatly from their association. There is a whole sphere of influence that follows.

Sphere of influence being the assistant JV coach is making sure the JV water bottles are filled up.Now trying to take credit for others work isn’t a good idea or honest.
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New here. Really great forum here.

So Malvern wins the Inter-Ac (per usual). Do they go on to any other state level tourney? Or is the inter-ac the pinnacle of PA lacrosse and therefore no need to go further?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
New here. Really great forum here.

So Malvern wins the Inter-Ac (per usual). Do they go on to any other state level tourney? Or is the inter-ac the pinnacle of PA lacrosse and therefore no need to go further?

Funny this forum has been silent for months mostly as MP parents been shamed with their losing season, until now when they finally beat HS once. One win two losses against HS and HS win the interact but yippie you won a game. Did MP even break back into the top 25 yet as HS is two in nation.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
New here. Really great forum here.

So Malvern wins the Inter-Ac (per usual). Do they go on to any other state level tourney? Or is the inter-ac the pinnacle of PA lacrosse and therefore no need to go further?

Malvern does not compete in the PIAA as they recruit players to play in their sports programs. This prohibits them from entering the PIAA tournament since they would have a clear advantage over the PIAA schools. The inter AC is an incredible league but Radnor (who plays in PIAA) is the best team in the state. Malvern is probably the 5th or 6th best team in the state this year.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
New here. Really great forum here.

So Malvern wins the Inter-Ac (per usual). Do they go on to any other state level tourney? Or is the inter-ac the pinnacle of PA lacrosse and therefore no need to go further?

Funny this forum has been silent for months mostly as MP parents been shamed with their losing season, until now when they finally beat HS once. One win two losses against HS and HS win the interact but yippie you won a game. Did MP even break back into the top 25 yet as HS is two in nation.

he who laughs last, laughs best. The MP seniors walk away winners. The HS senior walk away knowing they got bested in their last ever high school game. That one is gonna stick with them. I bet in 25 years, they will be posting on here complaining about hold backs like the rest of us.
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Didn’t Haverford beat Malvern twice?
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Recruiting has nothing to do with why InterAc lacrosse (not just Malvern) does not compete in the PIAA. If that was the case how do you explain St Joe Prep competing in football?
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St Joe’s is technically not supposed to recruit, but they obviously bend the rules. Their actions are exactly why they should be thrown out of the PIAA for football but they are hiding behind the rest of the Catholic league and district 12. Malvern recruits and they are good with that…..therefore they are not in the PIAA for any sport. Good institution with an incredible vision for young men. I know multiple athletes who were recruited to go to Malvern.
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Yeah you went on a run and won the last game. HS is the Inter Ac champs for 2023. Typical MP arrogance but that is per usual, eh? How did football season go btw?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
New here. Really great forum here.

So Malvern wins the Inter-Ac (per usual). Do they go on to any other state level tourney? Or is the inter-ac the pinnacle of PA lacrosse and therefore no need to go further?

Funny this forum has been silent for months mostly as MP parents been shamed with their losing season, until now when they finally beat HS once. One win two losses against HS and HS win the interact but yippie you won a game. Did MP even break back into the top 25 yet as HS is two in nation.

he who laughs last, laughs best. The MP seniors walk away winners. The HS senior walk away knowing they got bested in their last ever high school game. That one is gonna stick with them. I bet in 25 years, they will be posting on here complaining about hold backs like the rest of us.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
New here. Really great forum here.

So Malvern wins the Inter-Ac (per usual). Do they go on to any other state level tourney? Or is the inter-ac the pinnacle of PA lacrosse and therefore no need to go further?

Funny this forum has been silent for months mostly as MP parents been shamed with their losing season, until now when they finally beat HS once. One win two losses against HS and HS win the interact but yippie you won a game. Did MP even break back into the top 25 yet as HS is two in nation.

he who laughs last, laughs best. The MP seniors walk away winners. The HS senior walk away knowing they got bested in their last ever high school game. That one is gonna stick with them. I bet in 25 years, they will be posting on here complaining about hold backs like the rest of us.

Yeah you went on a run and won the last game. HS is the Inter Ac champs for 2023. Typical MP arrogance but that is per usual, eh? How did football season go btw?
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All schools recruit. Everyone's local public school recruits the top players in their district to try and keep them home and from going to Catholic/private schools. The Catholics and privates all recruit vs. each other. Anyone who doesn't think all school recruit is just dense and out of touch.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
All schools recruit. Everyone's local public school recruits the top players in their district to try and keep them home and from going to Catholic/private schools. The Catholics and privates all recruit vs. each other. Anyone who doesn't think all school recruit is just dense and out of touch.

They try to keep local players, they do not go into other districts to recruit but yeah its the same if that makes you feel better.
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""All schools recruit. Everyone's local public school recruits the top players in their district to try and keep them home and from going to Catholic/private schools. The Catholics and privates all recruit vs. each other. Anyone who doesn't think all school recruit is just dense and out of touch""..

Disagree on the public school front. If your school currently has a strong team and program and you're a "top player", why would you want to leave? I am not aware of any one in our school district who went to the privates for lacrosse.
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How significant is playing at a private school to getting recruited to play in college? When looking at D1 college rosters, I would estimate 80%+- of the players come from private schools. My son plays for one of the highly competitive club teams, where probably 75% plus of the players go to private school.
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What school district is that?
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What school district is that?

Garnet Valley.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
What school district is that?

Or Radnor
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Looks like Springfield is that district! Top PA team beating Radnor last night.
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If I were to rank the top teams

1) Springfield
2) Radnor
3) Haverford
4)ANC
5) Malvern
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
If I were to rank the top teams

1) Springfield
2) Radnor
3) Haverford
4)ANC
5) Malvern

If I were to rank the top cheesesteaks :
1) Pat's
2) Jim's
3) Dalessandro's
4) John's
5) Your Mom's
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Curious to hear people's thoughts on the PIAA State Championship games being held in Penn State, when it has been played at West Chester in the past. While the experience in playing at Penn State is cool, the likely reality is that two District 1 teams, or at least eastern Pennsylvania teams, will make it to the finals in each of the 2A and 3A divisions, which makes the West Chester location more reasonable than a 3 hour drive each way to Penn State. Does anyone know the reasoning behind the move to Penn State? At West Chester, you'll probably have bigger crowds from those not affiliated with the teams.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If I were to rank the top teams

1) Springfield
2) Radnor
3) Haverford
4)ANC
5) Malvern

If I were to rank the top cheesesteaks :
1) Pat's
2) Jim's
3) Dalessandro's
4) John's
5) Your Mom's

Pats clear cut number one. But Gino going to be offended he ain’t on your list.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If I were to rank the top teams

1) Springfield
2) Radnor
3) Haverford
4)ANC
5) Malvern


1 Haverford, 2 Malvern, 3 Episcopal, 4 tie Springfield and Radnor, 6 ANC
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I think Salesianum is better then Malvern but they are not a Pennsylvania team.
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So why is Coach Bates leaving EA. Whats the story there?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If I were to rank the top teams

1) Springfield
2) Radnor
3) Haverford
4)ANC
5) Malvern


1 Haverford, 2 Malvern, 3 Episcopal, 4 tie Springfield and Radnor, 6 ANC

Close 1 Haverford, 2 Malvern, 3 Radnor 4 Episcopal 5 Springfield 6 ANC
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
So why is Coach Bates leaving EA. Whats the story there?

wasn't his choice..go back a few posts

(Bates let go last Monday. EA played the InterAc Semi’s v Malvern without him on Wednesday. Surprised nothing from Phillylacrosse or Chandik about his firing.)
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team TEN 27 undefeated, beat every wiener club you mentioned. Daddy Coach doing something right

This one was funny from either dirty hit fat d daddy coach or college club daddy coach.

Daddy coaches got hammered at north american lacrosse today and ended 13th.This program has no steak and all sizzle. NXT will beat them. Go to NXT Mesa or HHH fast as they have kids play in college. Not one from here.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team TEN 27 undefeated, beat every wiener club you mentioned. Daddy Coach doing something right

This one was funny from either dirty hit fat d daddy coach or college club daddy coach.

Daddy coaches got hammered at north american lacrosse today and ended 13th.This program has no steak and all sizzle. NXT will beat them. Go to NXT Mesa or HHH fast as they have kids play in college. Not one from here.

You are an angry little man.
- "NXT will beat them." - Maybe someday, but when they played them in the spring they lost 13-3. NXT has a lot of great players and there is nothing negative to say about the program. NXT should never be taken for granted.
- Mesa - Which is daddy coached by the way has lost to Team Ten the last few times they played. They are always close games and Mesa is a great club. Any time those teams step on the field together, it will be a great game and could go either way. If a kid gets to play for Mesa or Team TEN, they are lucky and likely a very good lacrosse player. This is a great rivalry and I think both teams have a great deal of respect and friendship with the others.
- HHH - has some great boys, but they are struggling. They are 0-13 for the year.

You missed Freedom which is also a very respectable club, with kids playing in college. Team 11 is also a nice program with some strong players.

However, you may have a point that Team TEN has no kids playing in college. I don't understand how that can be given there oldest class is the 2025 which are rising juniors in high school. We should probably read a lot into the fact that they have not had any kids make it onto college teams. We probably should check back on this in the fall and see how they do.

Your son has value and you should not let the fact that he does not play for Team TEN detract from that. He deserves better. Love him and enjoy watching him play where he is. It's just a game. Please get some help.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team TEN 27 undefeated, beat every wiener club you mentioned. Daddy Coach doing something right

This one was funny from either dirty hit fat d daddy coach or college club daddy coach.

Daddy coaches got hammered at north american lacrosse today and ended 13th.This program has no steak and all sizzle. NXT will beat them. Go to NXT Mesa or HHH fast as they have kids play in college. Not one from here.

You are an angry little man.
- "NXT will beat them." - Maybe someday, but when they played them in the spring they lost 13-3. NXT has a lot of great players and there is nothing negative to say about the program. NXT should never be taken for granted.
- Mesa - Which is daddy coached by the way has lost to Team Ten the last few times they played. They are always close games and Mesa is a great club. Any time those teams step on the field together, it will be a great game and could go either way. If a kid gets to play for Mesa or Team TEN, they are lucky and likely a very good lacrosse player. This is a great rivalry and I think both teams have a great deal of respect and friendship with the others.
- HHH - has some great boys, but they are struggling. They are 0-13 for the year.

You missed Freedom which is also a very respectable club, with kids playing in college. Team 11 is also a nice program with some strong players.

However, you may have a point that Team TEN has no kids playing in college. I don't understand how that can be given there oldest class is the 2025 which are rising juniors in high school. We should probably read a lot into the fact that they have not had any kids make it onto college teams. We probably should check back on this in the fall and see how they do.

Your son has value and you should not let the fact that he does not play for Team TEN detract from that. He deserves better. Love him and enjoy watching him play where he is. It's just a game. Please get some help.

Nice post. I appreciate the fact that you clearly made an effort to not directly bash any specific teams (and by doing so indirectly bash 13 and 14 year old middle schooler). The previous poster was clearly looking to start some [Censored] (and clearly team ten isn't the team he was hoping to start it with as they are the proven best team in Philly in this age group over the last two years with Mesa being the 1.a ).

It would be great it we could talk about the strengths of each team to build a positive community instead of the [Censored] talk. Our youth deserver better.
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Class act post. Preaching goodness then putting down Mesa.About right. At least Mesa makes the championship game or the playoff brackets. And has real coaches. One team is headed up and the other is nosediving.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Class act post. Preaching goodness then putting down Mesa.About right. At least Mesa makes the championship game or the playoff brackets. And has real coaches. One team is headed up and the other is nosediving.

To be clear, I intended to say Team TEN and Mesa are the top two teams in Philadelphia in the 2027 age group. I'm currently giving Team TEN the higher spot because they have won the head to heads. ALWAYS a great game when these two powerhouses take the field against each other.

To be honest, I don't think i've ever heard anybody say anything negative about the Mesa '27 team. I certainly do not want to be viewed as the first negative.

For my own learning, I'd like to know what I inadvertently insinuated about Mesa referring to them as 1.a. Clearly it offended you. I want to make sure that doesn't happen again.
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Dads should stop coaching their sons once they get to High School. Period.
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8th grade club teams are a joke. I assure you 90% of the great players in 8th grade get passed up in the next 3 years.
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Mesa nationals…the fleecing of lax parents continues. $2500 for 2 tournaments, a few practices and more unnecessary gear.

Between this and all the B level lacrosse where kids can’t even throw and catch. The $$ are corrupting this sport, but that’s every sport I guess.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Class act post. Preaching goodness then putting down Mesa.About right. At least Mesa makes the championship game or the playoff brackets. And has real coaches. One team is headed up and the other is nosediving.

I agree with Mark!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bring in Marty to clean up this mess.

Bring back the old assistant coach that was let go when the team stunk to replace the pro coaches that won and everyone liked. What other great ideas are cooking other than making a kiddy coach a first time head coach,,,,,maybe head to the friends league from the interac smh

Last I checked, Haverford is benefitting greatly from their association. There is a whole sphere of influence that follows.

Sphere of influence being the assistant JV coach is making sure the JV water bottles are filled up.Now trying to take credit for others work isn’t a good idea or honest.

If you were in the circle, you would know that Marty is great with the young men and has influence over the things that matter. Healthy culture for starters.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think Salesianum is better then Malvern but they are not a Pennsylvania team.

Thanks for your insight....
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Mesa’s younger teams are terrible though? How do they fix that? Saw their 29-32s and it ain’t pretty…
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Mesa’s younger teams are terrible though? How do they fix that? Saw their 29-32s and it ain’t pretty…

Relax, they are 9 -12 years old.
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Congrats to Marple on their championship season.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Team TEN 27 undefeated, beat every wiener club you mentioned. Daddy Coach doing something right

This one was funny from either dirty hit fat d daddy coach or college club daddy coach.

Daddy coaches got hammered at north american lacrosse today and ended 13th.This program has no steak and all sizzle. NXT will beat them. Go to NXT Mesa or HHH fast as they have kids play in college. Not one from here.

Red Hots are the premier 2027 PA team. No other 2027 PA team in top ten in the ranks. Or in the top 15. Red Hots are #4 in the country. Any questions?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Team TEN 27 undefeated, beat every wiener club you mentioned. Daddy Coach doing something right

This one was funny from either dirty hit fat d daddy coach or college club daddy coach.

Daddy coaches got hammered at north american lacrosse today and ended 13th.This program has no steak and all sizzle. NXT will beat them. Go to NXT Mesa or HHH fast as they have kids play in college. Not one from here.

Red Hots are the premier 2027 PA team. No other 2027 PA team in top ten in the ranks. Or in the top 15. Red Hots are #4 in the country. Any questions?

Yawn….
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Team TEN 27 undefeated, beat every wiener club you mentioned. Daddy Coach doing something right

This one was funny from either dirty hit fat d daddy coach or college club daddy coach.

Daddy coaches got hammered at north american lacrosse today and ended 13th.This program has no steak and all sizzle. NXT will beat them. Go to NXT Mesa or HHH fast as they have kids play in college. Not one from here.

Red Hots are the premier 2027 PA team. No other 2027 PA team in top ten in the ranks. Or in the top 15. Red Hots are #4 in the country. Any questions?

Red hots have 5 different team name variations at the 27 level. Red hot national, AA, white.. kinda seems like they choose their name based off of who shows up for ran tournament.
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I’m relaxed, trust me. My son plays for a good team so I’m not concerned at all; just disconcerting to see programs succeed at upper ages yet flounder with youth. Once the older kids graduate, program is screwed.
Maybe coaches at Mesa should relax less
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You go to a private school because it gives you status. One of the worst things about lax is that is horribly elitist and no matter how good a player is if they are not coming from one of “elite private schools” known for lacrosse around the country they can’t even get college coaches to look at them. This was not the case even 10 years ago. The worst college lacrosse team at any level has a roster comprised of a majority of private school kids. There are so many fantastic athletes out there who would make this game better if they were only given an opportunity, however due to the biases and wealth tied to this sport it will never happen. How many Kelce brothers (NFL players, Jason & Travis) are out there, both multi-sport public school graduates… that will never be given a chance?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I’m relaxed, trust me. My son plays for a good team so I’m not concerned at all; just disconcerting to see programs succeed at upper ages yet flounder with youth. Once the older kids graduate, program is screwed.
Maybe coaches at Mesa should relax less

Mesa is a solid program across the board. Not sure what your point is here.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I’m relaxed, trust me. My son plays for a good team so I’m not concerned at all; just disconcerting to see programs succeed at upper ages yet flounder with youth. Once the older kids graduate, program is screwed.
Maybe coaches at Mesa should relax less

Ok buddy, I guess every level of the program your son plays for is the top in the bracket. First kid thinking
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I heard a story about Bates at EA today. My brother in law son plays there and he told me the boys smashed a stop sign after their loss to Haverford in end of regular season. the high school dean of students filmed the entire thing from his car. The players were all going to get kicked off the team as a result and then Bates and the AD (not sure if it is still gina Buggy??) got into it from there. Apparently there was some bad blood btw the 2 that had built up.

this is all word of mouth - not sure of any real validity.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard a story about Bates at EA today. My brother in law son plays there and he told me the boys smashed a stop sign after their loss to Haverford in end of regular season. the high school dean of students filmed the entire thing from his car. The players were all going to get kicked off the team as a result and then Bates and the AD (not sure if it is still gina Buggy??) got into it from there. Apparently there was some bad blood btw the 2 that had built up.

this is all word of mouth - not sure of any real validity.

The stop sign getting smashed is true, but the kids were not going to get thrown out. I think the best way to explain Bates' departure is the school has a different mission statement and expectations for the students then the lacrosse coach. EA focus is not sports (i.e.-Malvern, Haverford) and they do not play the entitlement game with their students. Bates is an outstanding coach and is probably better off moving on from the EA program.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard a story about Bates at EA today. My brother in law son plays there and he told me the boys smashed a stop sign after their loss to Haverford in end of regular season. the high school dean of students filmed the entire thing from his car. The players were all going to get kicked off the team as a result and then Bates and the AD (not sure if it is still gina Buggy??) got into it from there. Apparently there was some bad blood btw the 2 that had built up.

this is all word of mouth - not sure of any real validity.

The stop sign getting smashed is true, but the kids were not going to get thrown out. I think the best way to explain Bates' departure is the school has a different mission statement and expectations for the students then the lacrosse coach. EA focus is not sports (i.e.-Malvern, Haverford) and they do not play the entitlement game with their students. Bates is an outstanding coach and is probably better off moving on from the EA program.

I feel like it's fairly common for the the lacrosse team to be the red-headed step child at the school that the administrators don't want around.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard a story about Bates at EA today. My brother in law son plays there and he told me the boys smashed a stop sign after their loss to Haverford in end of regular season. the high school dean of students filmed the entire thing from his car. The players were all going to get kicked off the team as a result and then Bates and the AD (not sure if it is still gina Buggy??) got into it from there. Apparently there was some bad blood btw the 2 that had built up.

this is all word of mouth - not sure of any real validity.

The stop sign getting smashed is true, but the kids were not going to get thrown out. I think the best way to explain Bates' departure is the school has a different mission statement and expectations for the students then the lacrosse coach. EA focus is not sports (i.e.-Malvern, Haverford) and they do not play the entitlement game with their students. Bates is an outstanding coach and is probably better off moving on from the EA program.

I feel like it's fairly common for the the lacrosse team to be the red-headed step child at the school that the administrators don't want around.
AD is Todd Fairle, football coach. Class act firing a legend during an argument. Really crossed his T’s and dotted his I’s. SMH
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard a story about Bates at EA today. My brother in law son plays there and he told me the boys smashed a stop sign after their loss to Haverford in end of regular season. the high school dean of students filmed the entire thing from his car. The players were all going to get kicked off the team as a result and then Bates and the AD (not sure if it is still gina Buggy??) got into it from there. Apparently there was some bad blood btw the 2 that had built up.

this is all word of mouth - not sure of any real validity.

The stop sign getting smashed is true, but the kids were not going to get thrown out. I think the best way to explain Bates' departure is the school has a different mission statement and expectations for the students then the lacrosse coach. EA focus is not sports (i.e.-Malvern, Haverford) and they do not play the entitlement game with their students. Bates is an outstanding coach and is probably better off moving on from the EA program.

I feel like it's fairly common for the the lacrosse team to be the red-headed step child at the school that the administrators don't want around.
AD is Todd Fairle, football coach. Class act firing a legend during an argument. Really crossed his T’s and dotted his I’s. SMH

We all know it was more then firing him during a heated argument. It's not fair to create that context when it is a false narrative. If I was going to put the blame on anyone, it would actually be the players.
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"We all know it was more then firing him during a heated argument."

I think the point is that no one knows the "more" you are referring to. EA has not released any official statement. All I hear are rumors.

Can you share details?
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I'd love to hear more information on this Stop Sign getting smashed. Anybody have the video? How did they smash the sign? Did someone have a sledge hammer or something? We need to know the details. Give 'em up!
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'd love to hear more information on this Stop Sign getting smashed. Anybody have the video? How did they smash the sign? Did someone have a sledge hammer or something? We need to know the details. Give 'em up!

The sign was not smashed. The stop sign is in the direct path the players take to and from the field. For years the players have reached up and hit the sign like many collegiate players hit signs when leaving a locker room. This particular day, for whatever reason the sign fell off of its post. Someone was videoing. The AD wanted Bates to suspend the players and he refused which led to Bates getting fired.
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I'm sorry but that cant be right. all they did was hit a metal sign?

Episc. has fired 3 other varsity high school head coachs since this new hot shot AD took over (mens soccer, mens bball + field hockey)

anyone sadistic enough to take over for Bates?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'd love to hear more information on this Stop Sign getting smashed. Anybody have the video? How did they smash the sign? Did someone have a sledge hammer or something? We need to know the details. Give 'em up!

The sign was not smashed. The stop sign is in the direct path the players take to and from the field. For years the players have reached up and hit the sign like many collegiate players hit signs when leaving a locker room. This particular day, for whatever reason the sign fell off of its post. Someone was videoing. The AD wanted Bates to suspend the players and he refused which led to Bates getting fired.

Bates was told (and so were the players) to stop hitting the sign because they kept destroying it. It posed a safety and liability issue. EA replaced it with a more stable and better sign. Upon hearing that they should not destroy the sign, the students destroyed it and Bates tried to defend the boys from being suspended. The players who did this are known as spoiled and entitled kids and Bates did not act to curb their attitudes. In fact, he kept bailing them out. Malvern may be considered a sports centric school but they would never put up with this type of behavior as it goes against the very nature of the Augustinian beliefs they teach the young men. EA did the right thing by getting rid of Bates and should have expelled the students.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'd love to hear more information on this Stop Sign getting smashed. Anybody have the video? How did they smash the sign? Did someone have a sledge hammer or something? We need to know the details. Give 'em up!

The sign was not smashed. The stop sign is in the direct path the players take to and from the field. For years the players have reached up and hit the sign like many collegiate players hit signs when leaving a locker room. This particular day, for whatever reason the sign fell off of its post. Someone was videoing. The AD wanted Bates to suspend the players and he refused which led to Bates getting fired.

Bates was told (and so were the players) to stop hitting the sign because they kept destroying it. It posed a safety and liability issue. EA replaced it with a more stable and better sign. Upon hearing that they should not destroy the sign, the students destroyed it and Bates tried to defend the boys from being suspended. The players who did this are known as spoiled and entitled kids and Bates did not act to curb their attitudes. In fact, he kept bailing them out. Malvern may be considered a sports centric school but they would never put up with this type of behavior as it goes against the very nature of the Augustinian beliefs they teach the young men. EA did the right thing by getting rid of Bates and should have expelled the students.

To be totally honest, if that is the story, it sounds like EA is filled with incompetent administrators and authority figures(i.e coaches). Inmates running the asylum. It's not that Malvern is some sort of shining gem. I believe 99% of schools would have dealt with that scenario in a way to punish the students responsible for the destruction of school property. That's a no-brainer.

But then again, this is private school lacrosse. It literally doesn't get more privileged than this...and why the sport has the reputation it has.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
The students always hit the sign when they walked up the hill before home games. (not after the game like someone said earlier)
It was never a safety issue; It was never a liability issue (only an absolute maniac would suggest that)
No one ever said anything re: hitting it or not hitting it until after that day.
It never needed to be replaced prior to that day.
It wasn't destroyed, just knocked off the post.
Some sad person secretly filmed it and sent to EA administration.
The players who could be ID'd were gonna be suspended for their Malvern Game
There is no precedent that made that decision justified and Coach Bates defended the boys.
No one should have been expelled - that would have been an insane and psychotic move.
EA did not do the right thing.
Ive played with and against Malvern kids since Stoga youth ball. Great lacrosse players, but Coach Bates has more Augustinian Values in his pinky finger than all of them combined.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The students always hit the sign when they walked up the hill before home games. (not after the game like someone said earlier)
It was never a safety issue; It was never a liability issue (only an absolute maniac would suggest that)
No one ever said anything re: hitting it or not hitting it until after that day.
It never needed to be replaced prior to that day.
It wasn't destroyed, just knocked off the post.
Some sad person secretly filmed it and sent to EA administration.
The players who could be ID'd were gonna be suspended for their Malvern Game
There is no precedent that made that decision justified and Coach Bates defended the boys.
No one should have been expelled - that would have been an insane and psychotic move.
EA did not do the right thing.
Ive played with and against Malvern kids since Stoga youth ball. Great lacrosse players, but Coach Bates has more Augustinian Values in his pinky finger than all of them combined.


Nothing in the above post is true.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
So EA's "Play Like a Champion" equivalent was hitting a stop sign on campus? That is amazing!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Matt Chandik @MChandik26

Hearing that Cabrini coach Steve Colfer has stepped down as the Cavaliers’ HC to take the same position at
@EA1785_boyslax

Colfer led Cabrini to a national title in 2019, won 22 straight conference titles and is top 10 all-time in coaching win % at any level. Big hire for EA.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The students always hit the sign when they walked up the hill before home games. (not after the game like someone said earlier)
It was never a safety issue; It was never a liability issue (only an absolute maniac would suggest that)
No one ever said anything re: hitting it or not hitting it until after that day.
It never needed to be replaced prior to that day.
It wasn't destroyed, just knocked off the post.
Some sad person secretly filmed it and sent to EA administration.
The players who could be ID'd were gonna be suspended for their Malvern Game
There is no precedent that made that decision justified and Coach Bates defended the boys.
No one should have been expelled - that would have been an insane and psychotic move.
EA did not do the right thing.
Ive played with and against Malvern kids since Stoga youth ball. Great lacrosse players, but Coach Bates has more Augustinian Values in his pinky finger than all of them combined.


Nothing in the above post is true.

1st guy here has it right, it is all true - my son was a senior on the team. HM and AD enraged over 50 school parents by taking reckless action against the students over a trivial matter and all the while deflecting responsibility. Sadly this seems like a pattern of behavior. The cover up, however, does not seem to be going as planned and the recent letters outlining the dire situation seem to be leaking. Any reasonable parent understandably would be very concerned if a school was interfering with the academic and athletic future of their child. Some of the leaked emails to the school from parents seem to be outlining significatn concerning HR problems with several admins (#metoo).
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The students always hit the sign when they walked up the hill before home games. (not after the game like someone said earlier)
It was never a safety issue; It was never a liability issue (only an absolute maniac would suggest that)
No one ever said anything re: hitting it or not hitting it until after that day.
It never needed to be replaced prior to that day.
It wasn't destroyed, just knocked off the post.
Some sad person secretly filmed it and sent to EA administration.
The players who could be ID'd were gonna be suspended for their Malvern Game
There is no precedent that made that decision justified and Coach Bates defended the boys.
No one should have been expelled - that would have been an insane and psychotic move.
EA did not do the right thing.
Ive played with and against Malvern kids since Stoga youth ball. Great lacrosse players, but Coach Bates has more Augustinian Values in his pinky finger than all of them combined.


Nothing in the above post is true.

1st guy here has it right, it is all true - my son was a senior on the team. HM and AD enraged over 50 school parents by taking reckless action against the students over a trivial matter and all the while deflecting responsibility. Sadly this seems like a pattern of behavior. The cover up, however, does not seem to be going as planned and the recent letters outlining the dire situation seem to be leaking. Any reasonable parent understandably would be very concerned if a school was interfering with the academic and athletic future of their child. Some of the leaked emails to the school from parents seem to be outlining significatn concerning HR problems with several admins (#metoo).

#Metoo issues? what???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Matt Chandik @MChandik26

Hearing that Cabrini coach Steve Colfer has stepped down as the Cavaliers’ HC to take the same position at
@EA1785_boyslax

Colfer led Cabrini to a national title in 2019, won 22 straight conference titles and is top 10 all-time in coaching win % at any level. Big hire for EA.

Amazing Hire for EA. This changes absolutely everything in the Inter-Ac. No longer just an also ran. Let's GOOOOOO.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The students always hit the sign when they walked up the hill before home games. (not after the game like someone said earlier)
It was never a safety issue; It was never a liability issue (only an absolute maniac would suggest that)
No one ever said anything re: hitting it or not hitting it until after that day.
It never needed to be replaced prior to that day.
It wasn't destroyed, just knocked off the post.
Some sad person secretly filmed it and sent to EA administration.
The players who could be ID'd were gonna be suspended for their Malvern Game
There is no precedent that made that decision justified and Coach Bates defended the boys.
No one should have been expelled - that would have been an insane and psychotic move.
EA did not do the right thing.
Ive played with and against Malvern kids since Stoga youth ball. Great lacrosse players, but Coach Bates has more Augustinian Values in his pinky finger than all of them combined.


Nothing in the above post is true.

1st guy here has it right, it is all true - my son was a senior on the team. HM and AD enraged over 50 school parents by taking reckless action against the students over a trivial matter and all the while deflecting responsibility. Sadly this seems like a pattern of behavior. The cover up, however, does not seem to be going as planned and the recent letters outlining the dire situation seem to be leaking. Any reasonable parent understandably would be very concerned if a school was interfering with the academic and athletic future of their child. Some of the leaked emails to the school from parents seem to be outlining significatn concerning HR problems with several admins (#metoo).

So you are saying your son and his friends were in the right while the entire EA administration was wrong? Interesting.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Captain Kangaroo Todd Fairlie the AD~ how about letting EA parents and players know that you hired someone?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The students always hit the sign when they walked up the hill before home games. (not after the game like someone said earlier)
It was never a safety issue; It was never a liability issue (only an absolute maniac would suggest that)
No one ever said anything re: hitting it or not hitting it until after that day.
It never needed to be replaced prior to that day.
It wasn't destroyed, just knocked off the post.
Some sad person secretly filmed it and sent to EA administration.
The players who could be ID'd were gonna be suspended for their Malvern Game
There is no precedent that made that decision justified and Coach Bates defended the boys.
No one should have been expelled - that would have been an insane and psychotic move.
EA did not do the right thing.
Ive played with and against Malvern kids since Stoga youth ball. Great lacrosse players, but Coach Bates has more Augustinian Values in his pinky finger than all of them combined.


Nothing in the above post is true.

1st guy here has it right, it is all true - my son was a senior on the team. HM and AD enraged over 50 school parents by taking reckless action against the students over a trivial matter and all the while deflecting responsibility. Sadly this seems like a pattern of behavior. The cover up, however, does not seem to be going as planned and the recent letters outlining the dire situation seem to be leaking. Any reasonable parent understandably would be very concerned if a school was interfering with the academic and athletic future of their child. Some of the leaked emails to the school from parents seem to be outlining significatn concerning HR problems with several admins (#metoo).

So you are saying your son and his friends were in the right while the entire EA administration was wrong? Interesting.

I’m not the author of this post, but parents pleaded with Admin, specifically Head of School TJ Locke and Athletic Director Todd Fairlie, to meet via Town Hall to discuss player actions leading to the firing of Coach Bates.

Parents were told there would be no meeting. Offers from parents to pay for the damage or to have the team do community service were either ignored or denied by admin.

To date, no players have been punished for their actions/destroying school property. Fairlie or Locke have never met with players to discuss their actions.

To date, parents have not been contacted about the sign.
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Sounds like EA is moving on from this situation and hiring a coach who will be able to handle the student athletes. Not sure there is much to gain from EA punishing the graduating players that were a big part of the issue. This would never happen at Malvern.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Matt Chandik @MChandik26

Hearing that Cabrini coach Steve Colfer has stepped down as the Cavaliers’ HC to take the same position at
@EA1785_boyslax

Colfer led Cabrini to a national title in 2019, won 22 straight conference titles and is top 10 all-time in coaching win % at any level. Big hire for EA.

Makes sense since Cabrini is going to cease operations
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The students always hit the sign when they walked up the hill before home games. (not after the game like someone said earlier)
It was never a safety issue; It was never a liability issue (only an absolute maniac would suggest that)
No one ever said anything re: hitting it or not hitting it until after that day.
It never needed to be replaced prior to that day.
It wasn't destroyed, just knocked off the post.
Some sad person secretly filmed it and sent to EA administration.
The players who could be ID'd were gonna be suspended for their Malvern Game
There is no precedent that made that decision justified and Coach Bates defended the boys.
No one should have been expelled - that would have been an insane and psychotic move.
EA did not do the right thing.
Ive played with and against Malvern kids since Stoga youth ball. Great lacrosse players, but Coach Bates has more Augustinian Values in his pinky finger than all of them combined.


Nothing in the above post is true.

1st guy here has it right, it is all true - my son was a senior on the team. HM and AD enraged over 50 school parents by taking reckless action against the students over a trivial matter and all the while deflecting responsibility. Sadly this seems like a pattern of behavior. The cover up, however, does not seem to be going as planned and the recent letters outlining the dire situation seem to be leaking. Any reasonable parent understandably would be very concerned if a school was interfering with the academic and athletic future of their child. Some of the leaked emails to the school from parents seem to be outlining significatn concerning HR problems with several admins (#metoo).

So you are saying your son and his friends were in the right while the entire EA administration was wrong? Interesting.

I can hear your fat fingers banging on the SLACK. #Me2
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Matt Chandik @MChandik26

Hearing that Cabrini coach Steve Colfer has stepped down as the Cavaliers’ HC to take the same position at
@EA1785_boyslax

Colfer led Cabrini to a national title in 2019, won 22 straight conference titles and is top 10 all-time in coaching win % at any level. Big hire for EA.

Makes sense since Cabrini is going to cease operations

What a revelation. This whole time, we have heard from the EA parents about how this stop sign incident was so unjust... nobody is talking to them about the stop sign...they will pay for the stop sign... the AD is a soooo terrible...the admin is sooo terrible.

The real story is probably much simpler. The AD and admin is highly connected. Knew this Cabrini situation was coming down the pike, Canned the guy they didn't like, hired the totally amazing coach that hadn't even hit the market yet.

Sounds like a great lax environment over there at EA. Hopefully these parents are graduating for the sake of the program. really demostrated their true colors here and it was pretty gross.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Good coach coming in at EA. Entitled kids and parents on their way out. Win-Win.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good coach coming in at EA. Entitled kids and parents on their way out. Win-Win.
EA = Entitled Athletes
All those rich parents whose kids didn't get playing time since their kids [Censored] are really excited for the coaching change. Since Bates wouldn't accept payment for playing time, they moved on to someone else who will.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good coach coming in at EA. Entitled kids and parents on their way out. Win-Win.
EA = Entitled Athletes
All those rich parents whose kids didn't get playing time since their kids [Censored] are really excited for the coaching change. Since Bates wouldn't accept payment for playing time, they moved on to someone else who will.
Geesh.. pretty harsh condemnation of a guy who hasn't even started yet. Seems like you may have an axe to grind here.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good coach coming in at EA. Entitled kids and parents on their way out. Win-Win.
EA = Entitled Athletes
All those rich parents whose kids didn't get playing time since their kids [Censored] are really excited for the coaching change. Since Bates wouldn't accept payment for playing time, they moved on to someone else who will.

This is completely out of line and uncalled for. If you are going to call out the real issue, it was letting the spoiled players with talent get away with way too much. Those seniors (and some Juniors) would not have been able to graduate from other schools for the stuff they pullled. Bates let them get away with it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good coach coming in at EA. Entitled kids and parents on their way out. Win-Win.
EA = Entitled Athletes
All those rich parents whose kids didn't get playing time since their kids [Censored] are really excited for the coaching change. Since Bates wouldn't accept payment for playing time, they moved on to someone else who will.

This is completely out of line and uncalled for. If you are going to call out the real issue, it was letting the spoiled players with talent get away with way too much. Those seniors (and some Juniors) would not have been able to graduate from other schools for the stuff they pullled. Bates let them get away with it.

without naming names, let's hear about what was going on. what was being pulled? We are amongst friends. dish!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'd love to hear more information on this Stop Sign getting smashed. Anybody have the video? How did they smash the sign? Did someone have a sledge hammer or something? We need to know the details. Give 'em up!

The sign was not smashed. The stop sign is in the direct path the players take to and from the field. For years the players have reached up and hit the sign like many collegiate players hit signs when leaving a locker room. This particular day, for whatever reason the sign fell off of its post. Someone was videoing. The AD wanted Bates to suspend the players and he refused which led to Bates getting fired.

Bates was told (and so were the players) to stop hitting the sign because they kept destroying it. It posed a safety and liability issue. EA replaced it with a more stable and better sign. Upon hearing that they should not destroy the sign, the students destroyed it and Bates tried to defend the boys from being suspended. The players who did this are known as spoiled and entitled kids and Bates did not act to curb their attitudes. In fact, he kept bailing them out. Malvern may be considered a sports centric school but they would never put up with this type of behavior as it goes against the very nature of the Augustinian beliefs they teach the young men. EA did the right thing by getting rid of Bates and should have expelled the students.

Somebody said this was the principal or someone like that is that true ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'd love to hear more information on this Stop Sign getting smashed. Anybody have the video? How did they smash the sign? Did someone have a sledge hammer or something? We need to know the details. Give 'em up!

The sign was not smashed. The stop sign is in the direct path the players take to and from the field. For years the players have reached up and hit the sign like many collegiate players hit signs when leaving a locker room. This particular day, for whatever reason the sign fell off of its post. Someone was videoing. The AD wanted Bates to suspend the players and he refused which led to Bates getting fired.

Bates was told (and so were the players) to stop hitting the sign because they kept destroying it. It posed a safety and liability issue. EA replaced it with a more stable and better sign. Upon hearing that they should not destroy the sign, the students destroyed it and Bates tried to defend the boys from being suspended. The players who did this are known as spoiled and entitled kids and Bates did not act to curb their attitudes. In fact, he kept bailing them out. Malvern may be considered a sports centric school but they would never put up with this type of behavior as it goes against the very nature of the Augustinian beliefs they teach the young men. EA did the right thing by getting rid of Bates and should have expelled the students.

Somebody said this was the principal or someone like that is that true ?

really?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
The EA Athletic Department works in collaboration with the Head of Upper School and the Form Deans to hold students accountable while representing the Academy. These various leaders use constant and effective communication to protect the physical and emotional well-being of ALL the students. The hitting of the Stop Sign posed significant safety and liability issues. Can you imagine if one of the players bumped their head on it? Or if it hit someone's foot after it fell off? Chris was held accountable for their actions. I don't really see what all the confusion is about. If this happened at Malvern, the same results would have occurred but the irony is that it wouldn't ever happen at Malvern (see above re: Augustinian Values). EA does not play the entitlement game.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The EA Athletic Department works in collaboration with the Head of Upper School and the Form Deans to hold students accountable while representing the Academy. These various leaders use constant and effective communication to protect the physical and emotional well-being of ALL the students. The hitting of the Stop Sign posed significant safety and liability issues. Can you imagine if one of the players bumped their head on it? Or if it hit someone's foot after it fell off? Chris was held accountable for their actions. I don't really see what all the confusion is about. If this happened at Malvern, the same results would have occurred but the irony is that it wouldn't ever happen at Malvern (see above re: Augustinian Values). EA does not play the entitlement game.

It's pretty clear that this whole incident wasnt' about a stop sign. current head coach had to be moved out so they could hire the new guy. My guess is that the news got out that Cabrini was going away. AD reached out. New guy wouldn't entertain any inquiries to non-vacant job. So they made the job vacant to get their guy. it's business y'all. Protect ya neck.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good coach coming in at EA. Entitled kids and parents on their way out. Win-Win.
EA = Entitled Athletes
All those rich parents whose kids didn't get playing time since their kids [Censored] are really excited for the coaching change. Since Bates wouldn't accept payment for playing time, they moved on to someone else who will.

This is completely out of line and uncalled for. If you are going to call out the real issue, it was letting the spoiled players with talent get away with way too much. Those seniors (and some Juniors) would not have been able to graduate from other schools for the stuff they pullled. Bates let them get away with it.

Didnt attend any fancy degree place but pretty sure putting down employees, players, students, alums aint a good look am I right? That’s not leadership and what not
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good coach coming in at EA. Entitled kids and parents on their way out. Win-Win.
EA = Entitled Athletes
All those rich parents whose kids didn't get playing time since their kids [Censored] are really excited for the coaching change. Since Bates wouldn't accept payment for playing time, they moved on to someone else who will.

This is completely out of line and uncalled for. If you are going to call out the real issue, it was letting the spoiled players with talent get away with way too much. Those seniors (and some Juniors) would not have been able to graduate from other schools for the stuff they pullled. Bates let them get away with it.

Didnt attend any fancy degree place but pretty sure putting down employees, players, students, alums aint a good look am I right? That’s not leadership and what not

Heaven forbid we hold people accountable.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The EA Athletic Department works in collaboration with the Head of Upper School and the Form Deans to hold students accountable while representing the Academy. These various leaders use constant and effective communication to protect the physical and emotional well-being of ALL the students. The hitting of the Stop Sign posed significant safety and liability issues. Can you imagine if one of the players bumped their head on it? Or if it hit someone's foot after it fell off? Chris was held accountable for their actions. I don't really see what all the confusion is about. If this happened at Malvern, the same results would have occurred but the irony is that it wouldn't ever happen at Malvern (see above re: Augustinian Values). EA does not play the entitlement game.

Are you the principle?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
This is really sad. It would never happen at Malvern. Hope EA can turn it around.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sounds like EA is moving on from this situation and hiring a coach who will be able to handle the student athletes. Not sure there is much to gain from EA punishing the graduating players that were a big part of the issue. This would never happen at Malvern.

No….it would never happen at Malvern đź±. They’re too busy riding Septa and being filmed getting their own “service”
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sounds like EA is moving on from this situation and hiring a coach who will be able to handle the student athletes. Not sure there is much to gain from EA punishing the graduating players that were a big part of the issue. This would never happen at Malvern.

No….it would never happen at Malvern đź±. They’re too busy riding Septa and being filmed getting their own “service”

Nobody knows what you are talking about.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Better yet some clown keeps posting dense MP comments to antagonize people to bash Malvern. Waste of time. #fakenews
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Penn charter alum (OPC '92) coming in peace. my nephew told me this is the closest thing to the old laxpower forum. just spent some time reading and laughing at the past month or so comments. sounds like EA is a dumpster fire from the top down. [Censored] for the players that they are caught up in all the fighting between parents and AD (captain kangaroo comment made me LOL)

anyone have any idea who PC is gonna hire? Sounds like there is an opportunity for them to get back to the top of the interac like the good old days? or am I too far removed from the scene?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Colleen has the PC girls as good as they’ve ever been and she’ll continue to succeed there. As for the boys, not sure they’ll ever be what they once were, regardless of who they hire.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Wow you are pathetic
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
My son plays on the Team TEN 27 team and overall a good experience with coaching/practices/facility. But there is discontent with politics of playing time and “scholarships” for certain players. And with a-lot of players guest playing with other teams at NLF things might fall apart. Which stinks because I spent over 1000 bucks at the team store.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son plays on the Team TEN 27 team and overall a good experience with coaching/practices/facility. But there is discontent with politics of playing time and “scholarships” for certain players. And with a-lot of players guest playing with other teams at NLF things might fall apart. Which stinks because I spent over 1000 bucks at the team store.

oh yes... the annual tryout season rumor that all the top teams are going to "fall apart" because everybody is discontent with playing time. I'm sure Team Ten will not fall apart because NXT'ers will backfill any roster positions that open up due to 10'ers departing for "greener" pastures. d
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son plays on the Team TEN 27 team and overall a good experience with coaching/practices/facility. But there is discontent with politics of playing time and “scholarships” for certain players. And with a-lot of players guest playing with other teams at NLF things might fall apart. Which stinks because I spent over 1000 bucks at the team store.

I guess what goes around comes around. I'm pretty sure we can go back in the archive on this very forum and see the panic that happened at this age group just two years ago that lead to the current Team Ten success. Tigers imploded when they reached high school. Will Team Ten follow the same arc? I doubt it as it's a real organization (unlike Tigers which was a one off vehicle). So Team Ten will most certainly survive whatever psy-op is thrown their way this tryout season.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son plays on the Team TEN 27 team and overall a good experience with coaching/practices/facility. But there is discontent with politics of playing time and “scholarships” for certain players. And with a-lot of players guest playing with other teams at NLF things might fall apart. Which stinks because I spent over 1000 bucks at the team store.

oh yes... the annual tryout season rumor that all the top teams are going to "fall apart" because everybody is discontent with playing time. I'm sure Team Ten will not fall apart because NXT'ers will backfill any roster positions that open up due to 10'ers departing for "greener" pastures. d

It's not a bad idea to get your son on the "right" high school club team as you exit middle school. If you are happy with the current club program, fantastic, if you think your son will benefit by having tougher competition then try to move to a better team.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son plays on the Team TEN 27 team and overall a good experience with coaching/practices/facility. But there is discontent with politics of playing time and “scholarships” for certain players. And with a-lot of players guest playing with other teams at NLF things might fall apart. Which stinks because I spent over 1000 bucks at the team store.

Bought a T-shirt for your kids and spent the rest on yourself right??? Hahahaha
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]My son plays on the Team TEN 27 team and overall a good experience with coaching/practices/facility. But there is discontent with politics of playing time and “scholarships” for certain players. And with a-lot of players guest playing with other teams at NLF things might fall apart. Which stinks because I spent over 1000 bucks at the team store.

They are going to high school and equal or "fair" playing time should no longer be guaranteed. If your not playing you should move to a team where your son will play even if you can't wear all of your fancy team ten swag
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]My son plays on the Team TEN 27 team and overall a good experience with coaching/practices/facility. But there is discontent with politics of playing time and “scholarships” for certain players. And with a-lot of players guest playing with other teams at NLF things might fall apart. Which stinks because I spent over 1000 bucks at the team store.

They are going to high school and equal or "fair" playing time should no longer be guaranteed. If your not playing you should move to a team where your son will play even if you can't wear all of your fancy team ten swag


If you are paying money for a club team, especially in high school, the expectation is that your son will get playing time. The purpose of club lacrosse, particularly in high school, is to be seen and get film. The top clubs know this and they service their customers appropriately. If there are 6 attackmen on the roster, the top level teams are going to get all 6 of them into games at a fairly equal clip. That is why the teams are getting 18-20 commits and not 8-10 commits. Everybody is playing. Everybody on the team is capable of playing at the level expected for the team.

if the team is only playing the top line, then that is a red flag. Team Rank doesn't matter once you get to high school. At that matters is how many players commit to play at the next level. end of story
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With the amazing performance by the '26 PA Team at the NASG, what are the chances we get a Tigers XXVI Reboot in the works going into their big recruiting year? I'd like to see it happen. Clearly those kids have chemistry and playing together gives them the best chance to get to the universities they want to get to.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
With the amazing performance by the '26 PA Team at the NASG, what are the chances we get a Tigers XXVI Reboot in the works going into their big recruiting year? I'd like to see it happen. Clearly those kids have chemistry and playing together gives them the best chance to get to the universities they want to get to.

All I can say is that things are in the works and the landscape is going to look different in about 2 weeks.
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Big turnout for Brotherly Love tryouts last night with a lot of hype around Mueller. The question is how is he going to coach 4 teams (23,24,27 and 28) or is this just a bait and switch?
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Aren't the 23 and 24s no longer travel teams after this summer?
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Sounds about right. A lot of hype around teams that are no longer playing. Classic Tryout Season non-sense.

Quick question. Does brotherly love play in NLF tournaments? Looks like they do. That alone makes it a more viable option for those elite players looking to jump ship from their crumbling teams.
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NXT Tryouts tonight. What's everyone thinking? 100+ per sesh? how many of their current players will be staying around? Seems like a lot of discontent at all age groups. I'm pretty sure NXT isn't holding tryouts for the 23's and 24's like Brotherly allegedly did based on the poster above, but we can still talk about them.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sounds about right. A lot of hype around teams that are no longer playing. Classic Tryout Season non-sense.

Quick question. Does brotherly love play in NLF tournaments? Looks like they do. That alone makes it a more viable option for those elite players looking to jump ship from their crumbling teams.

Don't you think the US Club Lacrosse National Championship (coming in 2024) will make the NLF a lesser tourney going forward as they ate taking the top 16 teams with age verification and not blocking teams for participating ???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sounds about right. A lot of hype around teams that are no longer playing. Classic Tryout Season non-sense.

Quick question. Does brotherly love play in NLF tournaments? Looks like they do. That alone makes it a more viable option for those elite players looking to jump ship from their crumbling teams.

Don't you think the US Club Lacrosse National Championship (coming in 2024) will make the NLF a lesser tourney going forward as they ate taking the top 16 teams with age verification and not blocking teams for participating ???

Spot on. NLF is already losing its shine.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sounds about right. A lot of hype around teams that are no longer playing. Classic Tryout Season non-sense.

Quick question. Does brotherly love play in NLF tournaments? Looks like they do. That alone makes it a more viable option for those elite players looking to jump ship from their crumbling teams.

Don't you think the US Club Lacrosse National Championship (coming in 2024) will make the NLF a lesser tourney going forward as they ate taking the top 16 teams with age verification and not blocking teams for participating ???

I do not know what the US Club Lacrosse National Championship (coming in 2024) is. Can you please provide more information? What is the date/venue? What age groups? who is the tournament director? Is there a website where I can get additional information?
It's a great concept. Take the top 16 teams with Age Verification. Is this supposed to be like the World Series but for more age groups?

From a ranking perspective, how is US Club Lacrosse going to be able to rank teams in a "sometimes we play in age verified tournament and sometimes we don't" world? Will US Club Lacrosse Open Source their ranking algorithm to assure that certain teams aren't getting any extra leverage? In the past, it has been accused of playing favorites.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NXT Tryouts tonight. What's everyone thinking? 100+ per sesh? how many of their current players will be staying around? Seems like a lot of discontent at all age groups. I'm pretty sure NXT isn't holding tryouts for the 23's and 24's like Brotherly allegedly did based on the poster above, but we can still talk about them.

I would think most of the current players would be there, even the ones looking to make a move to Mesa and Team TEN. It is a very stressful time, when betting you can replace a player already on the team. I don't know if Mesa or Team TEN has approached any of these kids with a guaranteed slot. I think that may have happened in years past. What is the source of the discontent?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sounds about right. A lot of hype around teams that are no longer playing. Classic Tryout Season non-sense.

Quick question. Does brotherly love play in NLF tournaments? Looks like they do. That alone makes it a more viable option for those elite players looking to jump ship from their crumbling teams.

Don't you think the US Club Lacrosse National Championship (coming in 2024) will make the NLF a lesser tourney going forward as they ate taking the top 16 teams with age verification and not blocking teams for participating ???

I do not know what the US Club Lacrosse National Championship (coming in 2024) is. Can you please provide more information? What is the date/venue? What age groups? who is the tournament director? Is there a website where I can get additional information?
It's a great concept. Take the top 16 teams with Age Verification. Is this supposed to be like the World Series but for more age groups?

From a ranking perspective, how is US Club Lacrosse going to be able to rank teams in a "sometimes we play in age verified tournament and sometimes we don't" world? Will US Club Lacrosse Open Source their ranking algorithm to assure that certain teams aren't getting any extra leverage? In the past, it has been accused of playing favorites.

It is supposed to be the first weekend in August in Virginia I believe of 2024. There are no regional games just straight based on the US Club lacrosse rankings which is an algorithm. It did not make mention of age based but for the first year the ages that it will affect will not be under the age base umbrella, 2025, 2026, 2027, and maybe 2028 (which would fall in the new age rules).
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sounds about right. A lot of hype around teams that are no longer playing. Classic Tryout Season non-sense.

Quick question. Does brotherly love play in NLF tournaments? Looks like they do. That alone makes it a more viable option for those elite players looking to jump ship from their crumbling teams.

Don't you think the US Club Lacrosse National Championship (coming in 2024) will make the NLF a lesser tourney going forward as they ate taking the top 16 teams with age verification and not blocking teams for participating ???

I do not know what the US Club Lacrosse National Championship (coming in 2024) is. Can you please provide more information? What is the date/venue? What age groups? who is the tournament director? Is there a website where I can get additional information?
It's a great concept. Take the top 16 teams with Age Verification. Is this supposed to be like the World Series but for more age groups?

From a ranking perspective, how is US Club Lacrosse going to be able to rank teams in a "sometimes we play in age verified tournament and sometimes we don't" world? Will US Club Lacrosse Open Source their ranking algorithm to assure that certain teams aren't getting any extra leverage? In the past, it has been accused of playing favorites.

It is supposed to be the first weekend in August in Virginia I believe of 2024. There are no regional games just straight based on the US Club lacrosse rankings which is an algorithm. It did not make mention of age based but for the first year the ages that it will affect will not be under the age base umbrella, 2025, 2026, 2027, and maybe 2028 (which would fall in the new age rules).

Hopefully it catches on (aged based or not). How do you guys feel about an August lacrosse Tournament? Could be tricky to pull off with Tryouts usually being held mid to late July. I'm assuming it's a Sat/Sun thing so probably minimal overlap with High School Fall Sports (Football/Soccer) firing up in this time frame.

I'll be honest. After participating in the seemingly never-ending lacrosse seasons from late February through July, the thought of going to a tourney in August in Virginia is tough to get excited for.

I get it... getting the top 16 teams into a battle Royale will be epic. Maybe we can get them in a dome down there or something with a little A/C!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sounds about right. A lot of hype around teams that are no longer playing. Classic Tryout Season non-sense.

Quick question. Does brotherly love play in NLF tournaments? Looks like they do. That alone makes it a more viable option for those elite players looking to jump ship from their crumbling teams.

Don't you think the US Club Lacrosse National Championship (coming in 2024) will make the NLF a lesser tourney going forward as they ate taking the top 16 teams with age verification and not blocking teams for participating ???

I do not know what the US Club Lacrosse National Championship (coming in 2024) is. Can you please provide more information? What is the date/venue? What age groups? who is the tournament director? Is there a website where I can get additional information?
It's a great concept. Take the top 16 teams with Age Verification. Is this supposed to be like the World Series but for more age groups?

From a ranking perspective, how is US Club Lacrosse going to be able to rank teams in a "sometimes we play in age verified tournament and sometimes we don't" world? Will US Club Lacrosse Open Source their ranking algorithm to assure that certain teams aren't getting any extra leverage? In the past, it has been accused of playing favorites.

It is supposed to be the first weekend in August in Virginia I believe of 2024. There are no regional games just straight based on the US Club lacrosse rankings which is an algorithm. It did not make mention of age based but for the first year the ages that it will affect will not be under the age base umbrella, 2025, 2026, 2027, and maybe 2028 (which would fall in the new age rules).

Hopefully it catches on (aged based or not). How do you guys feel about an August lacrosse Tournament? Could be tricky to pull off with Tryouts usually being held mid to late July. I'm assuming it's a Sat/Sun thing so probably minimal overlap with High School Fall Sports (Football/Soccer) firing up in this time frame.

I'll be honest. After participating in the seemingly never-ending lacrosse seasons from late February through July, the thought of going to a tourney in August in Virginia is tough to get excited for.

I get it... getting the top 16 teams into a battle Royale will be epic. Maybe we can get them in a dome down there or something with a little A/C!


^^^^hit the wall
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Betting recruiting on a unproven tournament with no coaches there after the summer season ended. What other great ideas do you got cooked up?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Betting recruiting on a unproven tournament with no coaches there after the summer season ended. What other great ideas do you got cooked up?
If the top 16 teams are there, coaches will show up. But it is notIntelligent to do it so late.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Betting recruiting on a unproven tournament with no coaches there after the summer season ended. What other great ideas do you got cooked up?

It is US Club Lacrosses idea.
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Tryout season is upon us and, if I were NXT, I’d be concerned…LOTS of 28/29/30s at Duke’s Elite tryouts.
Should be fun
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Tryout season is upon us and, if I were NXT, I’d be concerned…LOTS of 28/29/30s at Duke’s Elite tryouts.
Should be fun

Nah. Large numbers last night at NXT tryouts, per usual. Plenty of other clubs out there, why name drop NXT?
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Name drop? There were so many NXT jerseys there I thought I went to the wrong tryouts
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Name drop? There were so many NXT jerseys there I thought I went to the wrong tryouts

Sounds like maybe you were at the wrong tryout. Are you telling me that the kids at Duke's tryout just wear any old jersey they have laying around? Must be a really effective evaluation technique. Duke's can't spring for some tryout penny's?
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I guess. My son is one of the kids trying out from another team so I was kinda shocked really
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I guess. My son is one of the kids trying out from another team so I was kinda shocked really

sounds ridiculous. They are one of the oldest clubs in the area. These guys never cease to amaze me as a collective group.
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Just looked at the Duke's website(s). Clearly their 28 team is good and historically they are a very good program (We all know that the Old Duke's Nationals was a sham run by a different dude and there was a falling out.. not trying to rehash that old song). So again, very good program historically....

But just looking at their multiple websites, it seems to be a confusing mess of teams that loosely overlap. This guy, Ebe, should really spend a bit of time coming up with a clear message for what this program is. NXT (for as much as it gets bashed on here) has a very professional approach to this which makes it very clear what you are getting into and what their program provides. Dukes website is straight out of the geocities-era. Spend a bit of money and modernize.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I guess. My son is one of the kids trying out from another team so I was kinda shocked really

sounds ridiculous. They are one of the oldest clubs in the area. These guys never cease to amaze me as a collective group.

According to their web site:
Its at MSI Sports Complex
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Looks like BPG just bought Dukes too… maybe that explains the tryout jersey issue
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like BPG just bought Dukes too… maybe that explains the tryout jersey issue

Congrats to the BPG team as well as to the Duke's organization. I'm looking forward to the partnership and the growth of Lacrosse in the Philadelphia area. These are really exciting times in the Lacrosse World.

Best of luck to everyone at their respective tryouts over the next few weeks.
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I think the conglomeration of clubs (Dukes, BL, Rising Son, etc) in the Philadelphia region actually helps some of the smaller clubs appeal. I know the larger model has worked for soccer but we are seeing smaller "town" clubs evolve with strong teams and coaching. Fusion and Downingtown Dawgs come to mind.
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With BPG now owning both so you expect Dukes and BL will merge teams?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think the conglomeration of clubs (Dukes, BL, Rising Son, etc) in the Philadelphia region actually helps some of the smaller clubs appeal. I know the larger model has worked for soccer but we are seeing smaller "town" clubs evolve with strong teams and coaching. Fusion and Downingtown Dawgs come to mind.

Fusion??? The club that has only 1 team in the top 100 and that is their 2026 club at 71??? Ok
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think the conglomeration of clubs (Dukes, BL, Rising Son, etc) in the Philadelphia region actually helps some of the smaller clubs appeal. I know the larger model has worked for soccer but we are seeing smaller "town" clubs evolve with strong teams and coaching. Fusion and Downingtown Dawgs come to mind.

Fusion??? The club that has only 1 team in the top 100 and that is their 2026 club at 71??? Ok

Take it easy. This is a safe space for Philly people. In the grand scheme of things, I totally agree that fusion is a strong program with lots of really talented lacrosse players. I would say that Fusion is not exactly a small "town" club in the likes of D-Town Dawgs (which is clearly a small town club). They have a strong Philly presence, an amazing box program that is nationally recognized in Penn*Lax, and have at least one other satellite program in Virginia. I don't think the Downingtown Dawgs are going to be open up a Virginia location anytime soon. I jest, I jest. Seriously though. The Dawgs and Delco Lacrosse Club are really strong option "small town" club options.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think the conglomeration of clubs (Dukes, BL, Rising Son, etc) in the Philadelphia region actually helps some of the smaller clubs appeal. I know the larger model has worked for soccer but we are seeing smaller "town" clubs evolve with strong teams and coaching. Fusion and Downingtown Dawgs come to mind.

Fusion??? The club that has only 1 team in the top 100 and that is their 2026 club at 71??? Ok

power club year coming at younger year
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Heard Delco being sold
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Freedom could be considered a "small" town club and they produce top end talent that is primarily local to the Chester County area.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like BPG just bought Dukes too… maybe that explains the tryout jersey issue

Congrats to the BPG team as well as to the Duke's organization. I'm looking forward to the partnership and the growth of Lacrosse in the Philadelphia area. These are really exciting times in the Lacrosse World.

Best of luck to everyone at their respective tryouts over the next few weeks.


^^^^what a goober
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Is there now Dukes Elite (BPG run) and Dukes MSI? They seem to be different programs. Strange they are using similar names if different.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like BPG just bought Dukes too… maybe that explains the tryout jersey issue

Congrats to the BPG team as well as to the Duke's organization. I'm looking forward to the partnership and the growth of Lacrosse in the Philadelphia area. These are really exciting times in the Lacrosse World.

Best of luck to everyone at their respective tryouts over the next few weeks.


^^^^what a goober

Yeah I know. Positivity is looked down upon on this board. Thanks for returning it to negativity.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Not a good showing by the PA teams at NLF
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not a good showing by the PA teams at NLF
Probably because HHH doesn’t let any of the good Philly teams in NLF lol!

Bro Love 2024 in final four, Bro Love 2030 with some big wins.
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HHH is a founding member of the NLF, so they get to set the rules. The exclusivity is the sole reason why their teams “improve” each year as they get closer to the all important rising Junior summer.

It’s a pretty nice chart if you compare those younger team to the Older teams. It ain’t player development. It’s player replacement. And that ability to exclude every other team except Mesa is what leads kids to pile into HHH in the high school years.

Call it what you want, it’s tried and true. And nobody cares that you don’t like it.
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HHH older boys played well, just didn’t get the W. Watched theor 2026 team play better than expected, were beating the #4 ranked team in the county, younger teams [Censored]
Brotherly Love is an overrated DE club, terrible coaching
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not a good showing by the PA teams at NLF
Probably because HHH doesn’t let any of the good Philly teams in NLF lol!

Bro Love 2024 in final four, Bro Love 2030 with some big wins.

^^^grown man using “lol”….sad
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not a good showing by the PA teams at NLF

Said the salty dog sitting at home as his obnoxious orange helmets play for other teams ,
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not a good showing by the PA teams at NLF
Probably because HHH doesn’t let any of the good Philly teams in NLF lol!

Bro Love 2024 in final four, Bro Love 2030 with some big wins.

^^^grown man using “lol”….sad
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not a good showing by the PA teams at NLF
Probably because HHH doesn’t let any of the good Philly teams in NLF lol!

Bro Love 2024 in final four, Bro Love 2030 with some big wins.

^^^grown man using “lol”….sad

BL 2030 is actually Dukes 2030-those two clubs will start to combine players as time goes on and the Dukes name will go away
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BL = Duke’s would make sense…BL’s 2030 team is atrocious. I think these kids did okay, right?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BL = Duke’s would make sense…BL’s 2030 team is atrocious. I think these kids did okay, right?
They are going into 6th grade. Get some help! They're just kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Than have them play rec, snowflake
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not a good showing by the PA teams at NLF
Probably because HHH doesn’t let any of the good Philly teams in NLF lol!

Bro Love 2024 in final four, Bro Love 2030 with some big wins.

^^^grown man using “lol”….sad
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not a good showing by the PA teams at NLF
Probably because HHH doesn’t let any of the good Philly teams in NLF lol!

Bro Love 2024 in final four, Bro Love 2030 with some big wins.

^^^grown man using “lol”….sad

BL 2030 is actually Dukes 2030-those two clubs will start to combine players as time goes on and the Dukes name will go away
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not a good showing by the PA teams at NLF
Probably because HHH doesn’t let any of the good Philly teams in NLF lol!

Bro Love 2024 in final four, Bro Love 2030 with some big wins.

^^^grown man using “lol”….sad
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not a good showing by the PA teams at NLF
Probably because HHH doesn’t let any of the good Philly teams in NLF lol!

Bro Love 2024 in final four, Bro Love 2030 with some big wins.

^^^grown man using “lol”….sad

BL 2030 is actually Dukes 2030-those two clubs will start to combine players as time goes on and the Dukes name will go away

Why would the Dukes be bought just to throw away the name? I highly doubt they will throw the name away.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Than have them play rec, snowflake
Love the Toxicity you are providing. Keep it up keyboard superstar.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Than have them play rec, snowflake
Be an adult! You are a big man when anonymous, but you would never say something like that if your name were attached. Grow up!
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Put your name on here…go ahead, I’ll wait.
Love the simps who “call out” anonymity, lol.
Better yet, just give us the club you repreeent…
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Put your name on here…go ahead, I’ll wait.
Love the simps who “call out” anonymity, lol.
Better yet, just give us the club you repreeent…
Your the unhinged adult who attacks kids. You go first tough guy!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Put your name on here…go ahead, I’ll wait.
Love the simps who “call out” anonymity, lol.
Better yet, just give us the club you repreeent…

You have to realize you are out of line. It's a kid's game.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
This is notIntelligent. can we go back to chatting about lacrosse rather than everybody flexin'?

Big week for Tryouts. NXT 2nd Round, Team Ten, Brotherly Love, Freedom, Mesa all this week. HHH Next week. Anybody hearing anything juicy?
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Is it true a "younger" Rough Riders team is folding?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is notIntelligent. can we go back to chatting about lacrosse rather than everybody flexin'?

Big week for Tryouts. NXT 2nd Round, Team Ten, Brotherly Love, Freedom, Mesa all this week. HHH Next week. Anybody hearing anything juicy?

For 2027- lots of minor changes, but few major changes. The team that will look the most different will be Brotherly Love with the addition of several strong players from multiple clubs.
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heard a number of kids left Duke’s 2027 for True Philly
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not a good showing by the PA teams at NLF
Probably because HHH doesn’t let any of the good Philly teams in NLF lol!

Bro Love 2024 in final four, Bro Love 2030 with some big wins.

^^^grown man using “lol”….sad
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not a good showing by the PA teams at NLF
Probably because HHH doesn’t let any of the good Philly teams in NLF lol!

Bro Love 2024 in final four, Bro Love 2030 with some big wins.

^^^grown man using “lol”….sad

BL 2030 is actually Dukes 2030-those two clubs will start to combine players as time goes on and the Dukes name will go away
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not a good showing by the PA teams at NLF
Probably because HHH doesn’t let any of the good Philly teams in NLF lol!

Bro Love 2024 in final four, Bro Love 2030 with some big wins.

^^^grown man using “lol”….sad
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not a good showing by the PA teams at NLF
Probably because HHH doesn’t let any of the good Philly teams in NLF lol!

Bro Love 2024 in final four, Bro Love 2030 with some big wins.

^^^grown man using “lol”….sad

BL 2030 is actually Dukes 2030-those two clubs will start to combine players as time goes on and the Dukes name will go away

Why would the Dukes be bought just to throw away the name? I highly doubt they will throw the name away.

They definitely are not throwing away their name. All the young teams from 2028 on down can compete. Interesting to see what happens.

Tryouts were packed! Weird how they didn’t have pinnies but cool to see so many teams represented.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is notIntelligent. can we go back to chatting about lacrosse rather than everybody flexin'?

Big week for Tryouts. NXT 2nd Round, Team Ten, Brotherly Love, Freedom, Mesa all this week. HHH Next week. Anybody hearing anything juicy?

For 2027- lots of minor changes, but few major changes. The team that will look the most different will be Brotherly Love with the addition of several strong players from multiple clubs.

^^^thanks MarkY
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There is a disproportionate amount of â€27 chatter on this board all the time. What is that about? Maybe it will move down to â€28 as all those â€27’s reclass as they approach high school.
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I heard a few NXT teams sort of folded and lost a lot of players(29, 30, 31). Something about National, Dukes, and some new Fusion AAA team taking a lot of those guys. Wonder what that means for NXT in the next few years.
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This is notIntelligent. can we go back to chatting about lacrosse rather than everybody flexin'?

Big week for Tryouts. NXT 2nd Round, Team Ten, Brotherly Love, Freedom, Mesa all this week. HHH Next week. Anybody hearing anything juicy?

For 2027- lots of minor changes, but few major changes. The team that will look the most different will be Brotherly Love with the addition of several strong players from multiple clubs.

^^^thanks MarkY
Did his son move to BL??
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I heard a few NXT teams sort of folded and lost a lot of players(29, 30, 31). Something about National, Dukes, and some new Fusion AAA team taking a lot of those guys. Wonder what that means for NXT in the next few years.

sounds a little premature. Aren't they in the middle of tryouts still? We all know the NXT '27 are the gem in the crown there, so as long as they are intact, all is well.
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the Duke’s situation, lots of kids saw the success their 28s had on social media w the World Series and want to be a part of that, hence, why the 29s were packed in at tryouts. Why else would an NXT team that’s ranked 17th want to play for a Duke’s team ranked 49th ?? Kids love the attention
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the Duke’s situation, lots of kids saw the success their 28s had on social media w the World Series and want to be a part of that, hence, why the 29s were packed in at tryouts. Why else would an NXT team that’s ranked 17th want to play for a Duke’s team ranked 49th ?? Kids love the attention

Seriously? The person stating that the NXT '29 team is folding is clearly spreading mis-information (probably so his son has a shot at making the roster). Have to love all the tryout rumors floating around. I have no love for NXT, but they certainly do not lack in social media.

Kids go to tryouts for different reasons. Not everyone is intending to jump ship just because they show up at a $20 event. To be honest, heading to multiple tryouts is a great way to build confidence and life skills. Having that feeling of having to prove yourself to a group of strangers is something these kids should get used to. It will serve them well in many aspects of their lives.
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Unless I’m reading it wrong, that person ain’t attacking NXT, they’re making a point about the publicity World Series gave the Duke’s. I agree. NXT does a great job promoting their brand but World Series was all over the gram.
NXT 29s are legit, I wouldn’t leave….unless I wasn’t playing
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Unless I’m reading it wrong, that person ain’t attacking NXT, they’re making a point about the publicity World Series gave the Duke’s. I agree. NXT does a great job promoting their brand but World Series was all over the gram.
NXT 29s are legit, I wouldn’t leave….unless I wasn’t playing

Fair point. Different type of Social Media content coming out of that event for sure. I guess the better question I have is there some sort of reason NXT '29 wouldn't be in that position next year given their success this year?
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Great question - I assume any team can sign up for their region’s play-in, right? Why wouldn’t they have done it before though?
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What are everyone's thoughts on NXT Black 2029??.... They had about 60 kids at their tryouts and about 16 of them had the "white" designated pennies... Showing they already play for Black...
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I can’t imagine wholesale changes to a team that has had the success they’ve had…can you?
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I was at the nxt 28s tryout and watched some of the 29s. Ton of talent showed up and the “whites” looked pretty legit. I have no clue what the team looked like last year though so…. grain of salt
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Any updates from Dukes tryouts tonight? We’re they able to get pennies for the boys or was it wear your own again? What other clubs were most represented?
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Tryouts are almost done…surprisingly little drama so far
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This is notIntelligent. can we go back to chatting about lacrosse rather than everybody flexin'?

Big week for Tryouts. NXT 2nd Round, Team Ten, Brotherly Love, Freedom, Mesa all this week. HHH Next week. Anybody hearing anything juicy?

For 2027- lots of minor changes, but few major changes. The team that will look the most different will be Brotherly Love with the addition of several strong players from multiple clubs.

This predication did not age well. Lots of Mesa kids (including key players) at the Team TEN 2027 tryouts last night. What is going on at Mesa?
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Was at the Duke's '29 tryout. Kids wore their own pinnies. I don't understand the issue with kids bringing their own pinnies. NXT charged $50 and you get a nice pinny. Duke's charged $20 and I don't get another piece of laundry that my kid doesn't need (I don't know about anyone else, but I could start my own pinny supply store). Not judging, just my take on it.

With regards to the talent, a little dip in talent from the first tryout at Duke's, but still some real quality players there. Probably 6 or 7 kids with NXT pinnies, a few from Brotherly Love, Fusion, Mesa, True Philly and others I didn't recognize to identify, but largely Duke's pinnies on hand.

Was at both NXT and both Duke's tryouts. So a little comparison that no one asked for here. Assuming both teams get their top 16-22 kids (big assumption here), the teams would be very comparable/competitive. After that though, the 2nd tier level of talent definitely falls in NXTs favor. Just based off of 2 nights of practice at each place, I'd see it this way: Goalie is a push, Duke's with the better d-pole talent as well as LSM, Faceoff goes to NXT, NXT has a better attack, but not by much, midfield is a push (maybe a slight, razor thin, edge to NXT). I can't say anything about any other clubs in the region, but I like parity, so it should be an interesting year for Philly Lacrosse if the talent level looks like this at other club tryouts.
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This is notIntelligent. can we go back to chatting about lacrosse rather than everybody flexin'?

Big week for Tryouts. NXT 2nd Round, Team Ten, Brotherly Love, Freedom, Mesa all this week. HHH Next week. Anybody hearing anything juicy?

For 2027- lots of minor changes, but few major changes. The team that will look the most different will be Brotherly Love with the addition of several strong players from multiple clubs.

This predication did not age well. Lots of Mesa kids (including key players) at the Team TEN 2027 tryouts last night. What is going on at Mesa?

Just because they tryout doesn’t mean they are leaving, let’s see how many team ten helmets are at Mesa tonight
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This predication did not age well. Lots of Mesa kids (including key players) at the Team TEN 2027 tryouts last night. What is going on at Mesa?[/quote]

Stinks for Team Ten players to have their tryouts so late that it hinders their ability to tryout with other teams if they are cut from last years roster. It is a business and the teams only care about putting the best team they can so it is always best to tryout at multiple places.
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Also at both tryouts (NXT, Duke’s) and would agree w the above assessment. Guess my question would be (and being sincere) - with similar talent at different positions, how is NXT ranked so much higher?
Also, confirmed NXT will NOT vie for World Series spot, club rule.
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This is notIntelligent. can we go back to chatting about lacrosse rather than everybody flexin'?

Big week for Tryouts. NXT 2nd Round, Team Ten, Brotherly Love, Freedom, Mesa all this week. HHH Next week. Anybody hearing anything juicy?

For 2027- lots of minor changes, but few major changes. The team that will look the most different will be Brotherly Love with the addition of several strong players from multiple clubs.

This predication did not age well. Lots of Mesa kids (including key players) at the Team TEN 2027 tryouts last night. What is going on at Mesa?

Just because they tryout doesn’t mean they are leaving, let’s see how many team ten helmets are at Mesa tonight

Agreed. It was just odd how many came. They may just be covering their bases or out for fun night of lacrosse. It just has not happened in prior years.
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Also at both tryouts (NXT, Duke’s) and would agree w the above assessment. Guess my question would be (and being sincere) - with similar talent at different positions, how is NXT ranked so much higher?
Also, confirmed NXT will NOT vie for World Series spot, club rule.
Yes, I meant to add that Marty said that if you wanted the world series, then NXT isn't the club for you.

It seems that Duke's has had trouble scoring consistently (if the scores from the rankings page is any indication). If they pick up a couple of the offensively skilled kids that were at tryouts, I have no doubt they'll move up in the rankings and probably pretty quickly. The Duke's defense "should be" ridiculous with size and speed. And before anyone gives me the "ok Duke's d-pole dad" my son isn't a d-pole. He's not skilled enough to be with the big boys with big sticks.
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Was at the Duke's '29 tryout. Kids wore their own pinnies. I don't understand the issue with kids bringing their own pinnies. NXT charged $50 and you get a nice pinny. Duke's charged $20 and I don't get another piece of laundry that my kid doesn't need (I don't know about anyone else, but I could start my own pinny supply store). Not judging, just my take on it.

With regards to the talent, a little dip in talent from the first tryout at Duke's, but still some real quality players there. Probably 6 or 7 kids with NXT pinnies, a few from Brotherly Love, Fusion, Mesa, True Philly and others I didn't recognize to identify, but largely Duke's pinnies on hand.

Was at both NXT and both Duke's tryouts. So a little comparison that no one asked for here. Assuming both teams get their top 16-22 kids (big assumption here), the teams would be very comparable/competitive. After that though, the 2nd tier level of talent definitely falls in NXTs favor. Just based off of 2 nights of practice at each place, I'd see it this way: Goalie is a push, Duke's with the better d-pole talent as well as LSM, Faceoff goes to NXT, NXT has a better attack, but not by much, midfield is a push (maybe a slight, razor thin, edge to NXT). I can't say anything about any other clubs in the region, but I like parity, so it should be an interesting year for Philly Lacrosse if the talent level looks like this at other club tryouts.


Def interesting, thanks for the insight. Has anyone here been on an NXT team? How are they with playing time allocation?
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This predication did not age well. Lots of Mesa kids (including key players) at the Team TEN 2027 tryouts last night. What is going on at Mesa?

Stinks for Team Ten players to have their tryouts so late that it hinders their ability to tryout with other teams if they are cut from last years roster. It is a business and the teams only care about putting the best team they can so it is always best to tryout at multiple places.[/quote]

facts.
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Mesa is a poorly run organization that tries to sell itself based on past glory during the years when Nostrant coached at Haverford and all his players had to play for Mesa. It is unnecessarily expensive based on what a player gets for his roster fees. There is no thoughtful development path once a kid gets to high school. Great coaches who have no independence to do what they think is best for their players re: practice schedule, tournaments, etc. Mesa may be able to play in the NLF but that is about the only good perk the organization has.
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Mesa is a poorly run organization that tries to sell itself based on past glory during the years when Nostrant coached at Haverford and all his players had to play for Mesa. It is unnecessarily expensive based on what a player gets for his roster fees. There is no thoughtful development path once a kid gets to high school. Great coaches who have no independence to do what they think is best for their players re: practice schedule, tournaments, etc. Mesa may be able to play in the NLF but that is about the only good perk the organization has.

says the person who ran two good high school programs into the ground and trying to steal mesa players, got it
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Mesa is a poorly run organization that tries to sell itself based on past glory during the years when Nostrant coached at Haverford and all his players had to play for Mesa. It is unnecessarily expensive based on what a player gets for his roster fees. There is no thoughtful development path once a kid gets to high school. Great coaches who have no independence to do what they think is best for their players re: practice schedule, tournaments, etc. Mesa may be able to play in the NLF but that is about the only good perk the organization has.

says the person who ran two good high school programs into the ground and trying to steal mesa players, got it

How do you steal Mesa players if they are happy at Mesa? That would seem tough to do.
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Players aren’t commodities and can’t be stolen. Players and family, using free will, evaluate their options and choose what makes most sense for them and which organization will best support their long term goals. Perhaps Mesa needs to take a hard look at it’s organization and try to understand why players are leaving or choosing not to come instead of crying about “stolen” players. That is just common sense.
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So who will have the biggest change at the 2027 level now? Brotherly love or Mesa?
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Mesa is a poorly run organization that tries to sell itself based on past glory during the years when Nostrant coached at Haverford and all his players had to play for Mesa. It is unnecessarily expensive based on what a player gets for his roster fees. There is no thoughtful development path once a kid gets to high school. Great coaches who have no independence to do what they think is best for their players re: practice schedule, tournaments, etc. Mesa may be able to play in the NLF but that is about the only good perk the organization has.

says the person who ran two good high school programs into the ground and trying to steal mesa players, got it

How do you steal Mesa players if they are happy at Mesa? That would seem tough to do.


You could replace "Mesa" with ANY club team name. All lacrosse clubs are expensive. Please tell me a club that actually "develops" players in the true sense of the word. There is a reason why club coaches are club coaches and not club directors. They don't want to deal with the hassle of managing every aspect of the team (else they'd just start their own club and do it and rack in tons of cash).
I do not have any association whatsoever with Mesa. Their teams just continually kill my teams and they are clearly very talented. I'll attribute that talent to the kids that gathered there rather than some Bill Belichick wizard pulling the strings from the sidelines. Club Lacrosse is a different game than High School Lacrosse. Checkers vs Chess. Whoever has the biggest horses is going to win 95% of the games. End of Rant. Please tip your waiters. Good Night.
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So who will have the biggest change at the 2027 level now? Brotherly love or Mesa?


Watch out for Team Deez Nuts making moves
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Mesa is a poorly run organization that tries to sell itself based on past glory during the years when Nostrant coached at Haverford and all his players had to play for Mesa. It is unnecessarily expensive based on what a player gets for his roster fees. There is no thoughtful development path once a kid gets to high school. Great coaches who have no independence to do what they think is best for their players re: practice schedule, tournaments, etc. Mesa may be able to play in the NLF but that is about the only good perk the organization has.

says the person who ran two good high school programs into the ground and trying to steal mesa players, got it

How do you steal Mesa players if they are happy at Mesa? That would seem tough to do.


You could replace "Mesa" with ANY club team name. All lacrosse clubs are expensive. Please tell me a club that actually "develops" players in the true sense of the word. There is a reason why club coaches are club coaches and not club directors. They don't want to deal with the hassle of managing every aspect of the team (else they'd just start their own club and do it and rack in tons of cash).
I do not have any association whatsoever with Mesa. Their teams just continually kill my teams and they are clearly very talented. I'll attribute that talent to the kids that gathered there rather than some Bill Belichick wizard pulling the strings from the sidelines. Club Lacrosse is a different game than High School Lacrosse. Checkers vs Chess. Whoever has the biggest horses is going to win 95% of the games. End of Rant. Please tip your waiters. Good Night.

Just to understand your analogy...are you saying that club lacrosse is simply a compilation of good players that create an all star team (that is why they win) vs. high school lacrosse is more about coaching and developing players to play a "team" game?
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So who will have the biggest change at the 2027 level now? Brotherly love or Mesa?


Watch out for Team Deez Nuts making moves

The only coach in the area qualified to coach a team of Deez Nuts caliber would have to be GT-C…he loves nuts
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With tryouts pretty much completed this week what are predictions for the top teams at the 27 28 and 29 ages?
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2027 - Team Ten, Brotherly Love… large gap then NXT/Freedom, mesa (If anyone is left)
2028 -Freedom (reclass central!), dukes
2029 - Dukes
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With tryouts pretty much completed this week what are predictions for the top teams at the 27 28 and 29 ages?

Poll's aren't closed yet. We have HHH and Black Bear with tryouts coming up for these age brackets. I'm hearing good numbers expected for one of them.
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2027 - Team Ten, Brotherly Love… large gap then NXT/Freedom, mesa (If anyone is left)
2028 -Freedom (reclass central!), dukes
2029 - Dukes

Not sure what to make of Fusion Futures 2029. Supposedly some of NXTs top kids jumped there because of some agreement with Nationals Lacrosse club joining them or something. All very confusing.
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2027 - Team Ten, Brotherly Love… large gap then NXT/Freedom, mesa (If anyone is left)
2028 -Freedom (reclass central!), dukes
2029 - Dukes

Not sure what to make of Fusion Futures 2029. Supposedly some of NXTs top kids jumped there because of some agreement with Nationals Lacrosse club joining them or something. All very confusing.

oh interesting. Anybody got some more deets on that?
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2027 - Team Ten, Brotherly Love… large gap then NXT/Freedom, mesa (If anyone is left)
2028 -Freedom (reclass central!), dukes
2029 - Dukes

Not sure what to make of Fusion Futures 2029. Supposedly some of NXTs top kids jumped there because of some agreement with Nationals Lacrosse club joining them or something. All very confusing.

oh interesting. Anybody got some more deets on that?


From what I'm hearing from kids on NXT 2029 only a couple kids left and they gained a kid or 2 from Dukes. Fusion 2029 and 2030 teams aren't that good and lost alot of their top players. I wouldn't put too much stock into Fusion Futures 2029 and Nationals partnership as this is the first year they're doing something like this. I can see it being difficult splitting teams or picking kids. Seems like it could be a messgo.Good chance the kids will get frustrated and jump ship. But who knows
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With tryouts pretty much completed this week what are predictions for the top teams at the 27 28 and 29 ages?

Poll's aren't closed yet. We have HHH and Black Bear with tryouts coming up for these age brackets. I'm hearing good numbers expected for one of them.


Watch out for Roughrider 2034 going to be cooking teams
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Roughriders play in terrible tournaments or B bracket of others and still lose consistently. They will cook nothing.
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True bought BucksSelect
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True bought BucksSelect

I’m sorry for those parents
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True bought BucksSelect
Read the article. Are they just going to have a true Philly A/B structure or is this going to be True Bucks?

Hope it works out well for those families.
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Roughriders play in terrible tournaments or B bracket of others and still lose consistently. They will cook nothing.

^^cook deez lost^^^^
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Article makes it sound like combining and A/B structure vs True Philly and True Bucks, but doesn’t say directly either way.
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Roughriders play in terrible tournaments or B bracket of others and still lose consistently. They will cook nothing.

^^cook deez lost^^^^

Are you ok?
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Reads to me like it's going under the True Philly banner.
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Mesa is a poorly run organization that tries to sell itself based on past glory during the years when Nostrant coached at Haverford and all his players had to play for Mesa. It is unnecessarily expensive based on what a player gets for his roster fees. There is no thoughtful development path once a kid gets to high school. Great coaches who have no independence to do what they think is best for their players re: practice schedule, tournaments, etc. Mesa may be able to play in the NLF but that is about the only good perk the organization has.

says the person who ran two good high school programs into the ground and trying to steal mesa players, got it

How do you steal Mesa players if they are happy at Mesa? That would seem tough to do.

daddy makes up baloney and tells parents a fake story that is one way
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Does any of this really matter? Mesa is irrelevant. Freedom, HHH, Duke’s, Team Ten control the state
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So much wrong with the last post I have decided to not even address any of it.

Maryland forum is really hot True. Hopefully the Philly affiliate is run better than what apparently is happening down in MD. Would love to hear what the True Philly families heard regarding the addition of Bucks Select to the brand. Anybody willing to share?

Any thoughts on who the biggest winners this year at tryouts were? Any big losers?
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True Philly has some excellent coaching, as did Bucks. The problem is people’s perception of clubs and the constant club hopping which makes it difficult to really build a team. There is a fixation on and belief that certain clubs are great such as HHH or Dukes, when in reality, the coaching is minimal, there is clear favoritism towards certain private schools. Kids and parents continue to flock to these programs without ever objectively looking at what they are getting for their money and as teams get older these clubs have their pick of the best players from a 2-3 hr radius. The positive bias towards players from certain schools and clubs, which typically correlates directly with wealth, is absurd. There are so many fantastic athletes and players who are overlooked and not coached because they don’t have the right “name”. If you actually want your kid to learn good fundamental lacrosse and get a legitimate product for your money, True Philly is a great option.
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Don’t bring money/income into the discussion, it’s tacky. Duke’s and HHH are successful because they’ve been around; while far from perfect, they have had success through tournaments and w recruits going to top schools.
The challenge for True is/always will be reputation. They have to prove they can compete successfully and do so for long enough to gain that reputation. It won’t happen overnight
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True Philly has some excellent coaching, as did Bucks. The problem is people’s perception of clubs and the constant club hopping which makes it difficult to really build a team. There is a fixation on and belief that certain clubs are great such as HHH or Dukes, when in reality, the coaching is minimal, there is clear favoritism towards certain private schools. Kids and parents continue to flock to these programs without ever objectively looking at what they are getting for their money and as teams get older these clubs have their pick of the best players from a 2-3 hr radius. The positive bias towards players from certain schools and clubs, which typically correlates directly with wealth, is absurd. There are so many fantastic athletes and players who are overlooked and not coached because they don’t have the right “name”. If you actually want your kid to learn good fundamental lacrosse and get a legitimate product for your money, True Philly is a great option.

What is correct here is that club lacrosse is not about coaching players up (at least in PA). One practice a week during fall and summer doesn’t leave a lot of time for that sort of dynamic. It’s about collecting the big guns and going to tourneys to get film. Nobody gets coached. That is for Rec and school teams where practice is daily.
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True Philly has some excellent coaching, as did Bucks. The problem is people’s perception of clubs and the constant club hopping which makes it difficult to really build a team. There is a fixation on and belief that certain clubs are great such as HHH or Dukes, when in reality, the coaching is minimal, there is clear favoritism towards certain private schools. Kids and parents continue to flock to these programs without ever objectively looking at what they are getting for their money and as teams get older these clubs have their pick of the best players from a 2-3 hr radius. The positive bias towards players from certain schools and clubs, which typically correlates directly with wealth, is absurd. There are so many fantastic athletes and players who are overlooked and not coached because they don’t have the right “name”. If you actually want your kid to learn good fundamental lacrosse and get a legitimate product for your money, True Philly is a great option.

What is correct here is that club lacrosse is not about coaching players up (at least in PA). One practice a week during fall and summer doesn’t leave a lot of time for that sort of dynamic. It’s about collecting the big guns and going to tourneys to get film. Nobody gets coached. That is for Rec and school teams where practice is daily.

While I think club helps develop the skills needed at the college level, it does create a poor lacrosse IQ compared to lacrosse played at the HS level. No penalties, hero ball, and almost no coaching create a "Lord of the Flies" scenario on the field.

Who thought they were going to get a Lord of the Flies reference on this forum?
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Under Armour All America Game is fantastic.....Philly really showed how much talent it has regionally as all the teams were very successful My only gripe is almost every kid on the team is a "hold back". So glad this is all going to end.
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Not sure I understand what’s tacky about stating the facts about the influence of wealth in this sport. The growing wealth inequity in this country is doing so much damage and when you see an awesome sport that could benefit so many kids and has so much to offer being governed by wealth it is disheartening. Somehow I believed that sports could still be a bastion of meritocracy and the hardest workers would be rewarded. I now realize how naive that was. It would be refreshing though if people would just acknowledge and speak openly of the advantages of wealth. The other sad fact is that it doesn’t have to be this way, yet the people currently benefitting will do everything they can to keep out others and minimize competition.
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There are clubs, programs and training for kids of every socioeconomic background, if you’re willing to search for it.
The Duke’s is not only one of the most cost-effective programs, it’s also one of the most diverse.
Work hard, achieve success in the classroom and good things will follow.
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There are clubs, programs and training for kids of every socioeconomic background, if you’re willing to search for it.
The Duke’s is not only one of the most cost-effective programs, it’s also one of the most diverse.
Work hard, achieve success in the classroom and good things will follow.

This is for real and if you ask club directors they can also direct you to some generous people that offer scholarships.
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Whoa, are you saying 3rd parties pay club scholarships at Duke’s? That is totally amazing! I just assumed the organization just didn’t charge the player’s family.
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There are clubs, programs and training for kids of every socioeconomic background, if you’re willing to search for it.
The Duke’s is not only one of the most cost-effective programs, it’s also one of the most diverse.
Work hard, achieve success in the classroom and good things will follow.

This is for real and if you ask club directors they can also direct you to some generous people that offer scholarships.

Are any of these travel clubs "non-profits"? Why would anyone donate to a for profit business?
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Are you that obtuse? Do you only buy clothes from non-profits? Just because a company/business tries to generate profits, doesn’t make it inherently bad…smh
Just stay on the left and let the sport continue to grow, please?! TY
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There are clubs, programs and training for kids of every socioeconomic background, if you’re willing to search for it.
The Duke’s is not only one of the most cost-effective programs, it’s also one of the most diverse.
Work hard, achieve success in the classroom and good things will follow.

This is for real and if you ask club directors they can also direct you to some generous people that offer scholarships.

Are any of these travel clubs "non-profits"? Why would anyone donate to a for profit business?

It is not a donation to a non-profit, it is support of deserving athletes. There are lots of folks who love the sport and want to see kids of all background play. I would think some clubs would discount or provide scholarships for deserving athletes which can't afford the dues to help themselves. All of the private schools are subsidizing cost for talent. This may or may not be for altruistic motives.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are clubs, programs and training for kids of every socioeconomic background, if you’re willing to search for it.
The Duke’s is not only one of the most cost-effective programs, it’s also one of the most diverse.
Work hard, achieve success in the classroom and good things will follow.

This is for real and if you ask club directors they can also direct you to some generous people that offer scholarships.

Are any of these travel clubs "non-profits"? Why would anyone donate to a for profit business?

It is not a donation to a non-profit, it is support of deserving athletes. There are lots of folks who love the sport and want to see kids of all background play. I would think some clubs would discount or provide scholarships for deserving athletes which can't afford the dues to help themselves. All of the private schools are subsidizing cost for talent. This may or may not be for altruistic motives.

The idea that there are angel donators out there that would pay club fee tuition for a player seems far fetched and cannot be accurate. Would love to know the name of one such donator. If a club wants to discount or full-ride a tuition, that is certainly one thing (and most certainly not altruistic in any way). Can we stop the narrative that there is altruism in Club lacrosse?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are clubs, programs and training for kids of every socioeconomic background, if you’re willing to search for it.
The Duke’s is not only one of the most cost-effective programs, it’s also one of the most diverse.
Work hard, achieve success in the classroom and good things will follow.

This is for real and if you ask club directors they can also direct you to some generous people that offer scholarships.

Are any of these travel clubs "non-profits"? Why would anyone donate to a for profit business?

It is not a donation to a non-profit, it is support of deserving athletes. There are lots of folks who love the sport and want to see kids of all background play. I would think some clubs would discount or provide scholarships for deserving athletes which can't afford the dues to help themselves. All of the private schools are subsidizing cost for talent. This may or may not be for altruistic motives.

The idea that there are angel donators out there that would pay club fee tuition for a player seems far fetched and cannot be accurate. Would love to know the name of one such donator. If a club wants to discount or full-ride a tuition, that is certainly one thing (and most certainly not altruistic in any way). Can we stop the narrative that there is altruism in Club lacrosse?

I know the better players on club teams do not pay the full price (or nothing at all). I never heard of a "donor" paying for another player based on the "love of the sport". I am sure it can happen but lacrosse is going down the same road that club soccer has done....if you can't pay to play on a club team, you don't have the resources to get as good as the kids who can. It is really that simple and that is why REC and High school lax is more important.
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Listen, if you’re looking for equity/equality (or whatever you leftists want to call it), move away from sports entirely. Kids train, some more than others. you can put all the money you want into this sport, but your kid is either good or not. At some point, DaddyBall goes away and the best person wins.
If you don’t like where this sport is heading, make a change. Get philanthropic and help better the game. Otherwise, get off the lax train and go protest something.
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Let’s get back to actual lacrosse talk. What teams had the most changes post tryouts?
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Second year in a row Radnor had a kid walk in graduation than play in the UA games.....you think that UA would do a better job
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Let’s get back to actual lacrosse talk. What teams had the most changes post tryouts?
What age group are we talking about?
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Second year in a row Radnor had a kid walk in graduation than play in the UA games.....you think that UA would do a better job

You mean NB, UA is no more. Sadly you could tell this year, nothing like it was for the last few years. Radnor wins again.
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Second year in a row Radnor had a kid walk in graduation than play in the UA games.....you think that UA would do a better job

80% of the team were holdbacks. What does it matter?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let’s get back to actual lacrosse talk. What teams had the most changes post tryouts?
What age group are we talking about?

Obviously not the 2027s as every time people talk about that class others on here get upset that the 2027 talk is taking over the chat
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From what I heard, NXT 29s had a ton of change, fool as they were/are a Top 20 team…some went to fusion, duke’s,
Team Ten. Guess we’ll see if they’re still a top team
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From what I heard, NXT 29s had a ton of change, fool as they were/are a Top 20 team…some went to fusion, duke’s,
Team Ten. Guess we’ll see if they’re still a top team

It is very easy to get disenfranchised with the NXT cult. Particularly since they sold off to 3 Step. people outside the program dislike it and increasingly people inside the program don't like it.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let’s get back to actual lacrosse talk. What teams had the most changes post tryouts?
What age group are we talking about?

Obviously not the 2027s as every time people talk about that class others on here get upset that the 2027 talk is taking over the chat

Perfect! we'll talk 2027's then! Team Ten continues to be the clear favorite in this age group. Sounds like Mesa lost a lot of players and problem will not be as good as they were last year. Brotherly Love, Duke's, and HHH seem to have picked up a bunch of players that will probably greatly improve those teams (compared to where those teams to where they were last year - I'm not saying they are going to be challenging Team Ten). Other clubs mostly unchanged. Should be fun to watch it all play out.
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So did the Mesa 27 team break up as predicted here? Seems fool that strong teams like Mesa 27 and NXT 29 are losing kids.
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What’s the issue with nxt in general? Recently moved to the area and trying to understand the club dynamics around here. I’ve heard some people say nxt is a great club, others say there are a lot of issues.
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So did the Mesa 27 team break up as predicted here? Seems fool that strong teams like Mesa 27 and NXT 29 are losing kids.

Make no mistake, they have a team. Its just a different team. It always come down to the same thing. Every parent thinks their kid is "the man". When the team isn't soley focused on "the man", feelings get hurt. Other teams promise the world, and they flip.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
What’s the issue with nxt in general? Recently moved to the area and trying to understand the club dynamics around here. I’ve heard some people say nxt is a great club, others say there are a lot of issues.



Pros:
Very organized and professional
"Professional" coaches meaning no dads (more later)
Great Facility (Proving Grounds)
Access to High End Tourney's (NAL, Naptown, Etc).

Cons:
Coaches are usually just kids just out of college.
Great practice plans, that get stale very quick
Heavy focus on Isolation Offenses.

Generally they put together very solid teams ranked around 50-60. But everybody wants to be ranked in the 10-20 range. This leads to some fairly insufferable sideline experiences and the coaches are just are not equipped with the team building skills to get players AND parents on the same page. Clubs have personality. NXT's personality can best be described as Dry Toast. You don't really want it, but it gets the job done when you don't have any other options. Then you end up choking on it and dying with nobody around wink
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So did the Mesa 27 team break up as predicted here? Seems fool that strong teams like Mesa 27 and NXT 29 are losing kids.

Only because there is a group that lets Mesa, NXT develop the players only to steal them in middle school. It will be ugly later on.
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All very good points regarding NXT; parents all think their kid is “the kid”, play nothing but iso ball and coaches may not be Dads but lack the local club feel…
Good teams, not great
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So did the Mesa 27 team break up as predicted here? Seems fool that strong teams like Mesa 27 and NXT 29 are losing kids.

Only because there is a group that lets Mesa, NXT develop the players only to steal them in middle school. It will be ugly later on.

Steal is a bit of a strong word, don't you think? At the end of every season, families are allowed to reevaluate their current club as well as all the other clubs in the market. They are allowed to switch clubs.

Every club states that they develop players. But do they really? One practice per week clocking in at probably 90 minutes. Versus how many hours are the kids putting in outside of practice working on the wall, dodging, shooting, and all the other little things? I think parents are giving way too much credit to the club teams for player development and not enough credit to their own kids and the rec teams and coaches in the spring season who are actually teaching the game.

We know where the players gravitate to in High School (and for obvious reason that program should be avoided for youth). Where are they gravitating to in Middle School?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
So did the Mesa 27 team break up as predicted here? Seems fool that strong teams like Mesa 27 and NXT 29 are losing kids.

Make no mistake, they have a team. Its just a different team. It always come down to the same thing. Every parent thinks their kid is "the man". When the team isn't soley focused on "the man", feelings get hurt. Other teams promise the world, and they flip.

What I don't understand about the Mesa 27 team, is they were a great team. Every parent thinking their kid is "the man" would explain a couple of departures. I think they lost the vast majority of their strongest players. With some moving to clubs where they will be competing even harder to be the man. Some other teams had minimal changes. Why would they not have the same issues with parents thinking their kid is "the man." I am not saying Mesa is not a great club; I think it is. However, there had to be something seriously wrong to cause the magnitude of change in that particular team this year.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So did the Mesa 27 team break up as predicted here? Seems fool that strong teams like Mesa 27 and NXT 29 are losing kids.

Make no mistake, they have a team. Its just a different team. It always come down to the same thing. Every parent thinks their kid is "the man". When the team isn't soley focused on "the man", feelings get hurt. Other teams promise the world, and they flip.

Or club’s promise this and promise that and it never happens so after many promises are broken they leave and the laugh about the new coaches FB posts asking where the loyalty is.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So did the Mesa 27 team break up as predicted here? Seems fool that strong teams like Mesa 27 and NXT 29 are losing kids.

Make no mistake, they have a team. Its just a different team. It always come down to the same thing. Every parent thinks their kid is "the man". When the team isn't soley focused on "the man", feelings get hurt. Other teams promise the world, and they flip.

Or club’s promise this and promise that and it never happens so after many promises are broken they leave and the laugh about the new coaches FB posts asking where the loyalty is.

That is also a fair point. So we have a system where parents have unrealistic expectations to begin with, coupled with club leadership piling up those unrealistic expectation. It makes everybody miserable. We are in quite a conundrum here. At least we don't have to worry about it for another month or so until it starts back up again.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So did the Mesa 27 team break up as predicted here? Seems fool that strong teams like Mesa 27 and NXT 29 are losing kids.

Make no mistake, they have a team. Its just a different team. It always come down to the same thing. Every parent thinks their kid is "the man". When the team isn't soley focused on "the man", feelings get hurt. Other teams promise the world, and they flip.

What I don't understand about the Mesa 27 team, is they were a great team. Every parent thinking their kid is "the man" would explain a couple of departures. I think they lost the vast majority of their strongest players. With some moving to clubs where they will be competing even harder to be the man. Some other teams had minimal changes. Why would they not have the same issues with parents thinking their kid is "the man." I am not saying Mesa is not a great club; I think it is. However, there had to be something seriously wrong to cause the magnitude of change in that particular team this year.

If you were on the Mesa 27 team or closely associated then you know exactly what happened. No players were “stolen”. Look back at all of the good club teams entering high school every year and you’ll see teams breaking up and coming together somewhere else. It almost never has anything to do with the clubs but rather the parents that organize these situations.
Keep an eye on Freedom 28 and Dukes 28 teams. The top 2 teams in the area at that age group. Lots of reclasses have hit both teams and parents will be upset. Freedom is coached by all dads I think and that’s never good. I’d be shocked if you don’t see big changes with those clubs going into high school.
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I thought they were doing away with the "reclass" kids starting next year? You have to play your age, not your graduating year.
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I thought they were doing away with the "reclass" kids starting next year? You have to play your age, not your graduating year.

Not Freedom 2028… daddy ball with even more reclasses than last year
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I thought they were doing away with the "reclass" kids starting next year? You have to play your age, not your graduating year.

Not Freedom 2028… daddy ball with even more reclasses than last year

The reclass thing ends with the 2029 age group.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So did the Mesa 27 team break up as predicted here? Seems fool that strong teams like Mesa 27 and NXT 29 are losing kids.

Make no mistake, they have a team. Its just a different team. It always come down to the same thing. Every parent thinks their kid is "the man". When the team isn't soley focused on "the man", feelings get hurt. Other teams promise the world, and they flip.

What I don't understand about the Mesa 27 team, is they were a great team. Every parent thinking their kid is "the man" would explain a couple of departures. I think they lost the vast majority of their strongest players. With some moving to clubs where they will be competing even harder to be the man. Some other teams had minimal changes. Why would they not have the same issues with parents thinking their kid is "the man." I am not saying Mesa is not a great club; I think it is. However, there had to be something seriously wrong to cause the magnitude of change in that particular team this year.

If you were on the Mesa 27 team or closely associated then you know exactly what happened. No players were “stolen”. Look back at all of the good club teams entering high school every year and you’ll see teams breaking up and coming together somewhere else. It almost never has anything to do with the clubs but rather the parents that organize these situations.
Keep an eye on Freedom 28 and Dukes 28 teams. The top 2 teams in the area at that age group. Lots of reclasses have hit both teams and parents will be upset. Freedom is coached by all dads I think and that’s never good. I’d be shocked if you don’t see big changes with those clubs going into high school.

I am not on the Mesa 27 team or closely associated with it. I would like to know what happened. Please divulge.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So did the Mesa 27 team break up as predicted here? Seems fool that strong teams like Mesa 27 and NXT 29 are losing kids.

Make no mistake, they have a team. Its just a different team. It always come down to the same thing. Every parent thinks their kid is "the man". When the team isn't soley focused on "the man", feelings get hurt. Other teams promise the world, and they flip.

What I don't understand about the Mesa 27 team, is they were a great team. Every parent thinking their kid is "the man" would explain a couple of departures. I think they lost the vast majority of their strongest players. With some moving to clubs where they will be competing even harder to be the man. Some other teams had minimal changes. Why would they not have the same issues with parents thinking their kid is "the man." I am not saying Mesa is not a great club; I think it is. However, there had to be something seriously wrong to cause the magnitude of change in that particular team this year.

If you were on the Mesa 27 team or closely associated then you know exactly what happened. No players were “stolen”. Look back at all of the good club teams entering high school every year and you’ll see teams breaking up and coming together somewhere else. It almost never has anything to do with the clubs but rather the parents that organize these situations.
Keep an eye on Freedom 28 and Dukes 28 teams. The top 2 teams in the area at that age group. Lots of reclasses have hit both teams and parents will be upset. Freedom is coached by all dads I think and that’s never good. I’d be shocked if you don’t see big changes with those clubs going into high school.

I am not on the Mesa 27 team or closely associated with it. I would like to know what happened. Please divulge.


^^^^how about you back to your life^^^
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Pull back your claws there kitty cat!!! Let me guess you were one of the Mesa parents that didn’t know everyone else’s plans….
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So did the Mesa 27 team break up as predicted here? Seems fool that strong teams like Mesa 27 and NXT 29 are losing kids.

Make no mistake, they have a team. Its just a different team. It always come down to the same thing. Every parent thinks their kid is "the man". When the team isn't soley focused on "the man", feelings get hurt. Other teams promise the world, and they flip.

What I don't understand about the Mesa 27 team, is they were a great team. Every parent thinking their kid is "the man" would explain a couple of departures. I think they lost the vast majority of their strongest players. With some moving to clubs where they will be competing even harder to be the man. Some other teams had minimal changes. Why would they not have the same issues with parents thinking their kid is "the man." I am not saying Mesa is not a great club; I think it is. However, there had to be something seriously wrong to cause the magnitude of change in that particular team this year.

If you were on the Mesa 27 team or closely associated then you know exactly what happened. No players were “stolen”. Look back at all of the good club teams entering high school every year and you’ll see teams breaking up and coming together somewhere else. It almost never has anything to do with the clubs but rather the parents that organize these situations.
Keep an eye on Freedom 28 and Dukes 28 teams. The top 2 teams in the area at that age group. Lots of reclasses have hit both teams and parents will be upset. Freedom is coached by all dads I think and that’s never good. I’d be shocked if you don’t see big changes with those clubs going into high school.

I am not on the Mesa 27 team or closely associated with it. I would like to know what happened. Please divulge.


^^^^how about you back to your life^^^
That last message was a total waste of the CAPTCHA Verification system. This is a message board. We are supposed to share information. It would be good for this information to be distributed so the parents who care enough about lacrosse to come in the site get a feel for what these clubs are like.
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total waste of the CAPTCHA Verification system...made my day
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Please do not talk about Mesa 2027.....to anyone not associated with the program.
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Think of all the new Mesa players. Go through tryouts, super excited to make the team, only to find out the cupboard has been raided and they are a totally different team. Doesn't seem fair. Best of luck to them.
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Please do not talk about Mesa 2027.....to anyone not associated with the program.

Thanks Mark! Nothing to see here!
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Where did all the Mesa 27 kids go? Can’t all be to Team Ten and hard to believe you’d leave a top 20 team for a team ranked in the 200s like HHH or Dukes.
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Where did all the Mesa 27 kids go? Can’t all be to Team Ten and hard to believe you’d leave a top 20 team for a team ranked in the 200s like HHH or Dukes.

Brotherly love, HHH, team Ten and freedom 2028
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Freedom... 2028s.
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Pull back your claws there kitty cat!!! Let me guess you were one of the Mesa parents that didn’t know everyone else’s plans….
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Pull back your claws there kitty cat!!! Let me guess you were one of the Mesa parents that didn’t know everyone else’s plans….


Your guess is wrong Sally
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where did all the Mesa 27 kids go? Can’t all be to Team Ten and hard to believe you’d leave a top 20 team for a team ranked in the 200s like HHH or Dukes.

Brotherly love, HHH, team Ten and freedom 2028

HHH had to do something. When a program (not a team, but an entire program) goes 0-for-the-spring-league, they have to do something, right? Might as well inside a mutiny at the 2nd best team and provide a soft landing for them. As for the kids/families that suffered through that spring season, might as well start planning for your next team. They will turn over 90-100% of their youth rosters just in time for high school when it really matters. Be realistic about what is going on there. They will accept anybody at the youth level for that tuition check and a full team, then feed the underprepared teams to the wolves all with a coke and smile.
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Freedom... 2028s.

FREEDOM 2028….put some respect on the name
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What’s the issue with nxt in general? Recently moved to the area and trying to understand the club dynamics around here. I’ve heard some people say nxt is a great club, others say there are a lot of issues.



Pros:
Very organized and professional
"Professional" coaches meaning no dads (more later)
Great Facility (Proving Grounds)
Access to High End Tourney's (NAL, Naptown, Etc).

Cons:
Coaches are usually just kids just out of college.
Great practice plans, that get stale very quick
Heavy focus on Isolation Offenses.

Generally they put together very solid teams ranked around 50-60. But everybody wants to be ranked in the 10-20 range. This leads to some fairly insufferable sideline experiences and the coaches are just are not equipped with the team building skills to get players AND parents on the same page. Clubs have personality. NXT's personality can best be described as Dry Toast. You don't really want it, but it gets the job done when you don't have any other options. Then you end up choking on it and dying with nobody around wink


I'm really interested to see what the NXT 29s do... From my knowledge only a couple kids left. If there's alot of kids leaving other teams it should be a good season for NXT 29s again..
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I’m curious to see how many people still stick with HHH. It is a crappy organization with a lot of people (parents, coaches and players) who think they are better than what they really are. There are too many good players and coaches out there to just [Censored] your way along based on a reputation you had from way back when, when there were only a handful of clubs in the area anyway.
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I’m curious to see how many people still stick with HHH. It is a crappy organization with a lot of people (parents, coaches and players) who think they are better than what they really are. There are too many good players and coaches out there to just [Censored] your way along based on a reputation you had from way back when, when there were only a handful of clubs in the area anyway.

TT BACK DOING WHAT THEY ONLY CAN DO SLINGING MUD HHH WILL BE TOP RECRUITS AGAIN THIS YEAR.
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The only reason there would be any serious recruits from HHH would be due to the fact that those kids go to elite private schools with connections and the club plays little to no role in the recruiting process. Not to mention many top college recruits have personal (family) connections to coaches and college lacrosse. I’d like to see a low income kid from a public school with no family connections who plays for HHH go to a top lacrosse college.
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The only reason there would be any serious recruits from HHH would be due to the fact that those kids go to elite private schools with connections and the club plays little to no role in the recruiting process. Not to mention many top college recruits have personal (family) connections to coaches and college lacrosse. I’d like to see a low income kid from a public school with no family connections who plays for HHH go to a top lacrosse college.

HHH's problem isn't public vs private at this point. The problem is the overall decline of the program. Easy come, easy go. It used to be the only game in town (as stated earlier). All the studs converged at the club and made things almost automatic. Clearly very minimal effort was put into organizational structures and infrastructure to "build" the program. Almost zero investment. Now that the competition is amazing in the area, we are starting to see the HHH club teetering on the decline phase of the product life cycle. I don't think they are equipped to deal with the nuts and bolts of running an organization (outside offering 2 NLF tournaments per year). And that may be fine.

I am predicting HHH will sell to one of these big corporate firms snatching up the local teams. Cash out while they still have a premium name. The 2025 is the last class that will be heavily recruited to top-tier D1 schools. After that, we will all see a noticeable drop off in signings meaning a drop off in the valuation by those large firms.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only reason there would be any serious recruits from HHH would be due to the fact that those kids go to elite private schools with connections and the club plays little to no role in the recruiting process. Not to mention many top college recruits have personal (family) connections to coaches and college lacrosse. I’d like to see a low income kid from a public school with no family connections who plays for HHH go to a top lacrosse college.

HHH's problem isn't public vs private at this point. The problem is the overall decline of the program. Easy come, easy go. It used to be the only game in town (as stated earlier). All the studs converged at the club and made things almost automatic. Clearly very minimal effort was put into organizational structures and infrastructure to "build" the program. Almost zero investment. Now that the competition is amazing in the area, we are starting to see the HHH club teetering on the decline phase of the product life cycle. I don't think they are equipped to deal with the nuts and bolts of running an organization (outside offering 2 NLF tournaments per year). And that may be fine.

I am predicting HHH will sell to one of these big corporate firms snatching up the local teams. Cash out while they still have a premium name. The 2025 is the last class that will be heavily recruited to top-tier D1 schools. After that, we will all see a noticeable drop off in signings meaning a drop off in the valuation by those large firms.

I am sure some of these corporate groups have already approached HHH about selling. However, since they are one of the original NLF members I’d be willing to bet it is not their decision alone to sell to whomever they want. My guess is that there is a NLF board and that they would have to sign off on whomever BM would consider selling to. I doubt they want one of their flagship clubs going to a corporation like 3 Step or BPG.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only reason there would be any serious recruits from HHH would be due to the fact that those kids go to elite private schools with connections and the club plays little to no role in the recruiting process. Not to mention many top college recruits have personal (family) connections to coaches and college lacrosse. I’d like to see a low income kid from a public school with no family connections who plays for HHH go to a top lacrosse college.

HHH's problem isn't public vs private at this point. The problem is the overall decline of the program. Easy come, easy go. It used to be the only game in town (as stated earlier). All the studs converged at the club and made things almost automatic. Clearly very minimal effort was put into organizational structures and infrastructure to "build" the program. Almost zero investment. Now that the competition is amazing in the area, we are starting to see the HHH club teetering on the decline phase of the product life cycle. I don't think they are equipped to deal with the nuts and bolts of running an organization (outside offering 2 NLF tournaments per year). And that may be fine.

I am predicting HHH will sell to one of these big corporate firms snatching up the local teams. Cash out while they still have a premium name. The 2025 is the last class that will be heavily recruited to top-tier D1 schools. After that, we will all see a noticeable drop off in signings meaning a drop off in the valuation by those large firms.

I am sure some of these corporate groups have already approached HHH about selling. However, since they are one of the original NLF members I’d be willing to bet it is not their decision alone to sell to whomever they want. My guess is that there is a NLF board and that they would have to sign off on whomever BM would consider selling to. I doubt they want one of their flagship clubs going to a corporation like 3 Step or BPG.

Yes, that could be a potential drag on the rumor mill. Maybe 3Step will buy the whole NLF and start bleeding everybody for club fees and access to top tier recruiting events. Lacrosse parents will pay whatever it takes to get their kids a look.
Let's try this one on... What if the PLL took over ownership of the the NLF? Set up 4 de-facto national summer tournaments culminating in the national championship tourney. Expanded internet coverage and streaming of all events on one platform or another? Throw all the marketing and social media at it. Clearly not something that would happen, but it would be amazing for the sport if it did.
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Is anyone going to address the elephant in the room that the DTOWN Dawgs 2030 team needs to be broken up by corporate lacrosse programs?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is anyone going to address the elephant in the room that the DTOWN Dawgs 2030 team needs to be broken up by corporate lacrosse programs?

Nah man.. some stuff is too serious to joke about. DTOWN is legit baby. Don't bring that silliness up in here.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only reason there would be any serious recruits from HHH would be due to the fact that those kids go to elite private schools with connections and the club plays little to no role in the recruiting process. Not to mention many top college recruits have personal (family) connections to coaches and college lacrosse. I’d like to see a low income kid from a public school with no family connections who plays for HHH go to a top lacrosse college.

Such a ridiculous comment. The only reason the players on HHH will get recruited is bc of their high school and personal family connections??? Family connections...really? So Delusional. How about they will get recruited bc they are high level lacrosse players first & foremost. Does it help if some of those players attend local private schools with reputable lacrosse programs. Sure it does. But again, they still need to perform on the field. Highly doubt college coaches, who get paid to win, are recruiting players solely based upon what school they attend or better yet, if they have a family connection. Performing well on the field against high level competition, in high school or club, is the answer.
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It'll be very interesting to see what becomes of HHH after this recruiting year. The 2025 team is loaded with talent but falls off a cliff after this year. Access to the NLF has cache but nowhere near as much as years past. With exception to the NLF Championship, many other tournaments have fallen off &/or been replaced with better tournaments accessible to all clubs.
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DTown is a great program, that is well coached. Their issue is retaining kids that see bigger/better opportunities elsewhere (Duke’s)…
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Don’t sleep on the HHH 26 team…they recruited a number of Tigers’ players and are building something
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don’t sleep on the HHH 26 team…they recruited a number of Tigers’ players and are building something
“Building” is a bit a a stretch. I’d say that BM is cramming for the final after skipping all the classes for the semester. And he’s trying to buy the exam…
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don’t sleep on the HHH 26 team…they recruited a number of Tigers’ players and are building something

Most of the previous Tigers players play for Team Ten now. Nothing to see here
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don’t sleep on the HHH 26 team…they recruited a number of Tigers’ players and are building something

Most of the previous Tigers players play for Team Ten now. Nothing to see here

Not true. Best Tigers played for BM on Nike Nationals All Star team that went to Nike Championship. Team should have won in OT. They will play for him to get recruited at HHH. Including best goalie in country.
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I’d like to take a BM on BM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only reason there would be any serious recruits from HHH would be due to the fact that those kids go to elite private schools with connections and the club plays little to no role in the recruiting process. Not to mention many top college recruits have personal (family) connections to coaches and college lacrosse. I’d like to see a low income kid from a public school with no family connections who plays for HHH go to a top lacrosse college.

Such a ridiculous comment. The only reason the players on HHH will get recruited is bc of their high school and personal family connections??? Family connections...really? So Delusional. How about they will get recruited bc they are high level lacrosse players first & foremost. Does it help if some of those players attend local private schools with reputable lacrosse programs. Sure it does. But again, they still need to perform on the field. Highly doubt college coaches, who get paid to win, are recruiting players solely based upon what school they attend or better yet, if they have a family connection. Performing well on the field against high level competition, in high school or club, is the answer.

^^^^^ preach
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What is everyone’s issue w BM and HHH?
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Who got the job at Episcopal?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don’t sleep on the HHH 26 team…they recruited a number of Tigers’ players and are building something

Most of the previous Tigers players play for Team Ten now. Nothing to see here

Not true. Best Tigers played for BM on Nike Nationals All Star team that went to Nike Championship. Team should have won in OT. They will play for him to get recruited at HHH. Including best goalie in country.
If this is true, it is very interesting. It seems unlikely that kids would leave Team Ten ranked 7 for HHH ranked 54. Seems like a bad move at the high school level. Seems like a bad move lax wise and showing college coaches your kind flaky.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don’t sleep on the HHH 26 team…they recruited a number of Tigers’ players and are building something

Most of the previous Tigers players play for Team Ten now. Nothing to see here

Not true. Best Tigers played for BM on Nike Nationals All Star team that went to Nike Championship. Team should have won in OT. They will play for him to get recruited at HHH. Including best goalie in country.
If this is true, it is very interesting. It seems unlikely that kids would leave Team Ten ranked 7 for HHH ranked 54. Seems like a bad move at the high school level. Seems like a bad move lax wise and showing college coaches your kind flaky.

It's half true. HHH did get some new players that will make them better. I think the idea of the NIKE team going to HHH was wishful thinking of the old Tiger's coach who would love to try to say he "built" a team at the high school level. Instead he is connected with Prime Time. Hence why some of the NIke team weren't even PA players.
It is a big year coming up for the 26s. HHH, Team Ten, Mesa, NXT doesn't matter. Kids need to put in the work, email colleges, prospect days, practice hard and stop worrying about hitching a train to a guy who has no college recruiting experience. Time to move on from 8th grade lacrosse.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is everyone’s issue w BM and HHH?

The eagles doesn’t pay attention to the activities of the field rats. HHH keeps pumping out the best recruits from the area annually. Year in and out
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is everyone’s issue w BM and HHH?

The eagles doesn’t pay attention to the activities of the field rats. HHH keeps pumping out the best recruits from the area annually. Year in and out

Right like ament, sowers…..
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don’t sleep on the HHH 26 team…they recruited a number of Tigers’ players and are building something

Most of the previous Tigers players play for Team Ten now. Nothing to see here

Not true. Best Tigers played for BM on Nike Nationals All Star team that went to Nike Championship. Team should have won in OT. They will play for him to get recruited at HHH. Including best goalie in country.
If this is true, it is very interesting. It seems unlikely that kids would leave Team Ten ranked 7 for HHH ranked 54. Seems like a bad move at the high school level. Seems like a bad move lax wise and showing college coaches your kind flaky.

A team’s ranking has nothing to do with college recruiting. And neither does “player rankings”. College coaches pay zero attention to them when evaluating players.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don’t sleep on the HHH 26 team…they recruited a number of Tigers’ players and are building something

Most of the previous Tigers players play for Team Ten now. Nothing to see here

Not true. Best Tigers played for BM on Nike Nationals All Star team that went to Nike Championship. Team should have won in OT. They will play for him to get recruited at HHH. Including best goalie in country.
If this is true, it is very interesting. It seems unlikely that kids would leave Team Ten ranked 7 for HHH ranked 54. Seems like a bad move at the high school level. Seems like a bad move lax wise and showing college coaches your kind flaky.

A team’s ranking has nothing to do with college recruiting. And neither does “player rankings”. College coaches pay zero attention to them when evaluating players.

Well said and 100% true.
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You’re correct that team and individual rankings don’t matter that much, but it is tough for an attack kid or O middie to stand out if their team is on defense 80% of the game. Key is to be on a team that plays competitive games.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
You’re correct that team and individual rankings don’t matter that much, but it is tough for an attack kid or O middie to stand out if their team is on defense 80% of the game. Key is to be on a team that plays competitive games.

Thats totally different. Rankings are irrelevant.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You’re correct that team and individual rankings don’t matter that much, but it is tough for an attack kid or O middie to stand out if their team is on defense 80% of the game. Key is to be on a team that plays competitive games.

Thats totally different. Rankings are irrelevant.

Guys... it's a random thursday night in the middle of the most dead period on the lacrosse calendar. 95% of the posts on here are from probably 2 or 3 people. Go spend some time with your son while you can. He's going to be be gone in less than 3 years (and none of this will matter).
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You’re correct that team and individual rankings don’t matter that much, but it is tough for an attack kid or O middie to stand out if their team is on defense 80% of the game. Key is to be on a team that plays competitive games.

Thats totally different. Rankings are irrelevant.

Guys... it's a random thursday night in the middle of the most dead period on the lacrosse calendar. 95% of the posts on here are from probably 2 or 3 people. Go spend some time with your son while you can. He's going to be be gone in less than 3 years (and none of this will matter).

Rational thoughts have no business here sir!
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Comments like this always astonish me - YOU ARE ON HERE TOO, SPANKY! Don’t act like you’re better than anyone opining on here…
Now go make your TV dinner and watch your old HS highlight tape again
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You’re correct that team and individual rankings don’t matter that much, but it is tough for an attack kid or O middie to stand out if their team is on defense 80% of the game. Key is to be on a team that plays competitive games.

Thats totally different. Rankings are irrelevant.

Guys... it's a random thursday night in the middle of the most dead period on the lacrosse calendar. 95% of the posts on here are from probably 2 or 3 people. Go spend some time with your son while you can. He's going to be be gone in less than 3 years (and none of this will matter).

Says the guy who is posting this on a random Thursday…
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You’re correct that team and individual rankings don’t matter that much, but it is tough for an attack kid or O middie to stand out if their team is on defense 80% of the game. Key is to be on a team that plays competitive games.

Thats totally different. Rankings are irrelevant.

Guys... it's a random thursday night in the middle of the most dead period on the lacrosse calendar. 95% of the posts on here are from probably 2 or 3 people. Go spend some time with your son while you can. He's going to be be gone in less than 3 years (and none of this will matter).

Says the guy who is posting this on a random Thursday…
Great addition to the conversation. Really incredible. It inspired me to write this comment.
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If I was a coach/club owner of a top 28, 29, 30 team I’d be paying real close attention to what tends to happen when these kids reach high school age. Tigers26 had everything on paper going for them and they fell apart. Mesa27 was maybe the best team at their age group, same story. Is it coaching? Is it daddy ball and relationships? Is it tone deaf club owners?
28-Dukes-Freedom, which one makes it? Either one crack?
29-NXT already cracked and does anyone really think Futures has a chance?
30-Dukes-Dawgs-I guess Dukes got a lot of players at tryouts, haven’t heard anything about Dawgs
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
If I was a coach/club owner of a top 28, 29, 30 team I’d be paying real close attention to what tends to happen when these kids reach high school age. Tigers26 had everything on paper going for them and they fell apart. Mesa27 was maybe the best team at their age group, same story. Is it coaching? Is it daddy ball and relationships? Is it tone deaf club owners?
28-Dukes-Freedom, which one makes it? Either one crack?
29-NXT already cracked and does anyone really think Futures has a chance?
30-Dukes-Dawgs-I guess Dukes got a lot of players at tryouts, haven’t heard anything about Dawgs

I think some of it is the better players are playing and training year round with their high school teams. In some ways, I think club ball is dying at the high school level.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If I was a coach/club owner of a top 28, 29, 30 team I’d be paying real close attention to what tends to happen when these kids reach high school age. Tigers26 had everything on paper going for them and they fell apart. Mesa27 was maybe the best team at their age group, same story. Is it coaching? Is it daddy ball and relationships? Is it tone deaf club owners?
28-Dukes-Freedom, which one makes it? Either one crack?
29-NXT already cracked and does anyone really think Futures has a chance?
30-Dukes-Dawgs-I guess Dukes got a lot of players at tryouts, haven’t heard anything about Dawgs

I think some of it is the better players are playing and training year round with their high school teams. In some ways, I think club ball is dying at the high school level.


That does not make any sense. Only HS and Radnor are top national teams right ? Rest of local teams are average except Salies in DE.
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Not a Duke’s guy but that â€30 team is impressive; it’s early, they’re young and a lot can/will happen as time progresses but man, they are stacked…
Dawgs are struggling, lost a few important players
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If I was a coach/club owner of a top 28, 29, 30 team I’d be paying real close attention to what tends to happen when these kids reach high school age. Tigers26 had everything on paper going for them and they fell apart. Mesa27 was maybe the best team at their age group, same story. Is it coaching? Is it daddy ball and relationships? Is it tone deaf club owners?
28-Dukes-Freedom, which one makes it? Either one crack?
29-NXT already cracked and does anyone really think Futures has a chance?
30-Dukes-Dawgs-I guess Dukes got a lot of players at tryouts, haven’t heard anything about Dawgs

I think some of it is the better players are playing and training year round with their high school teams. In some ways, I think club ball is dying at the high school level.


That does not make any sense. Only HS and Radnor are top national teams right ? Rest of local teams are average except Salies in DE.

What I am saying is the better teams train year round, so why play for a "great" HS club team where you are unlikely to get the ball or show your ability to defend or clear. Club lacrosse at the HS level is getting really bad. Dad's are telling their sons to shoot more in the car in the parking lot before the game thinking they will get "noticed". Defenders are cheating up or trying to take it coast to coast.
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I think one variable people lose sight of is the number of teams available in the PA region; it’s saturated which means really good kids play on different teams, some good, some not so good. Most other areas (LI, and, NJ, MA) have 1 or 2 teams the top players associate with, that’s it.
Here, we have, HHH (Malvern, Lasalle, Haverford, etc), Freedom, NXT, Mesa, Team 11, Team Ten, Duke’s (lots of ANC, Lasalle). Lots of talent, but spread across too many teams
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Any suggestions on best recording device for lacrosse games?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any suggestions on best recording device for lacrosse games?

What is the intent of the recording? Full field for "game tape" footage or are you looking to iso in on your player for IG reels, etc?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any suggestions on best recording device for lacrosse games?

What is the intent of the recording? Full field for "game tape" footage or are you looking to iso in on your player for IG reels, etc?

I am interest in the answer to both of those questions.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any suggestions on best recording device for lacrosse games?

What is the intent of the recording? Full field for "game tape" footage or are you looking to iso in on your player for IG reels, etc?

I am interest in the answer to both of those questions.

My sons lax and soccer teams use the Trace. For highlights an iPhone on a tri-pod works fine.
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Would like to do both be able to iso and full game tape
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As reported in late May on this forum, we are still deeply dissatisfied with the current state of operations at Episcopal Academy.

Recent developments over the last several months have left us angry and we are demanding change. In short, we were played. If you share our same concern, take a moment to read what we have discovered at www.saveepiscopal.com. There is a valuable lesson to be learned by the administration when you tangle with a lacrosse parent!
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What is Philly Futures 2029? My son showed me their Instagram where they're releasing their roster. They've got at least 1 holdback listed there according to my son (my son played in an all star game with the boy in May and he told my son he was 13 at the time...maybe my son was mistaken?).
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
As reported in late May on this forum, we are still deeply dissatisfied with the current state of operations at Episcopal Academy.

Recent developments over the last several months have left us angry and we are demanding change. In short, we were played. If you share our same concern, take a moment to read what we have discovered at www.saveepiscopal.com. There is a valuable lesson to be learned by the administration when you tangle with a lacrosse parent!

Somebody call the WAmbulance. Someone’s entitlement has been jeopardized.
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if even half of this is true - it sounds like a certified dumpster fire over there.
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This rising 8th grader at Malvern Prep is really getting a lot of attention from Apex in the past few days. Must be a student. His highlights have him listed on that fated Mesa 27 team that is rumored to be hobbled at this point. For anybody not getting the content from apex, he also played up 2 grade level on the '26 PA All America team this summer. Pretty incredible.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
This rising 8th grader at Malvern Prep is really getting a lot of attention from Apex in the past few days. Must be a student. His highlights have him listed on that fated Mesa 27 team that is rumored to be hobbled at this point. For anybody not getting the content from apex, he also played up 2 grade level on the '26 PA All America team this summer. Pretty incredible.

He is not that good. A holdback as well.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
This rising 8th grader at Malvern Prep is really getting a lot of attention from Apex in the past few days. Must be a student. His highlights have him listed on that fated Mesa 27 team that is rumored to be hobbled at this point. For anybody not getting the content from apex, he also played up 2 grade level on the '26 PA All America team this summer. Pretty incredible.

Check his birth certificate.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This rising 8th grader at Malvern Prep is really getting a lot of attention from Apex in the past few days. Must be a student. His highlights have him listed on that fated Mesa 27 team that is rumored to be hobbled at this point. For anybody not getting the content from apex, he also played up 2 grade level on the '26 PA All America team this summer. Pretty incredible.

Check his birth certificate.

Yep - he didn't play 2 years up. He was an 8th grader last year and he is an 8th grader this year.
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Just like his dad is your dealer even if you didn’t know it his son is a reclass even if you didn’t know it!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This rising 8th grader at Malvern Prep is really getting a lot of attention from Apex in the past few days. Must be a student. His highlights have him listed on that fated Mesa 27 team that is rumored to be hobbled at this point. For anybody not getting the content from apex, he also played up 2 grade level on the '26 PA All America team this summer. Pretty incredible.

Check his birth certificate.

Yep - he didn't play 2 years up. He was an 8th grader last year and he is an 8th grader this year.

To be fair, almost everyone of those kids were holdbacks as well so maybe he was only a year behind. I won’t name the grad year, but there was one player who was one month away from being two years graduating class above the class he was in. Don’t tell me it’s not an advantage.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just like his dad is your dealer even if you didn’t know it his son is a reclass even if you didn’t know it!!!

Not sure what this is supposed to mean. Shall we just move on or would you like to clarify your statement?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just like his dad is your dealer even if you didn’t know it his son is a reclass even if you didn’t know it!!!

Not sure what this is supposed to mean. Shall we just move on or would you like to clarify your statement?


The original comment was made by a buffoon, we can move on.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just like his dad is your dealer even if you didn’t know it his son is a reclass even if you didn’t know it!!!

People...this is a cry for help....now will you agree to "Save Episcopal"
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just like his dad is your dealer even if you didn’t know it his son is a reclass even if you didn’t know it!!!

People...this is a cry for help....now will you agree to "Save Episcopal"

Seriously. That Save Epsicopal website is hilarious. I can't image what that guy's home life must be.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Welcome Philadelphia & Vicinity -
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just like his dad is your dealer even if you didn’t know it his son is a reclass even if you didn’t know it!!!

People...this is a cry for help....now will you agree to "Save Episcopal"

Seriously. That Save Epsicopal website is hilarious. I can't image what that guy's home life must be.

I can only imagine he/she is a major conspiracy theorist. Reading through that was incredibly funny, until you realize some people probably took it seriously.
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i went to episcopal to see the football game on friday. they dont seem like they need any saving. campus is nicer then my college they seem to be doing just fine LOL. only saving they actually need is that i had to park 10 miles away from the field and all the episcopal football coaches wear these weird tight pants. looks like they r perfectly dressed for a Wayne starbucks run in their yoga pants after dropping the kids off at school. the roman dads were having a feild day LOL

2024 middie zeke Kain is going to be a student this spring for them. he [plays rb on football. downhill right hand he is going to help them in a lot of big games just like freedom summer ball a few years back
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Unless we’re talking women’s lax, Episcopal hasn’t been relevant in years. The website might be the best marketing for them, as most forgot they still provides men sports.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
i went to episcopal to see the football game on friday. they dont seem like they need any saving. campus is nicer then my college they seem to be doing just fine LOL. only saving they actually need is that i had to park 10 miles away from the field and all the episcopal football coaches wear these weird tight pants. looks like they r perfectly dressed for a Wayne starbucks run in their yoga pants after dropping the kids off at school. the roman dads were having a feild day LOL

2024 middie zeke Kain is going to be a student this spring for them. he [plays rb on football. downhill right hand he is going to help them in a lot of big games just like freedom summer ball a few years back

Great kid, best of luck to him.
Those HHH boys are flying off the shelf..
Congrats to those kids landing at some amazing schools. Kind of always been the problem with HHH, talented players but the teams don’t win much. Now that the talent is gone from 26 on down guess we’ll see what happens.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to those kids landing at some amazing schools. Kind of always been the problem with HHH, talented players but the teams don’t win much. Now that the talent is gone from 26 on down guess we’ll see what happens.

Talent is gone at 2026?
Trying to knock the successful program with the most recruits to the biggest schools annually makes you look small. They seem to be winning without you.
No one is knocking the 25s - great job by coach banks and the boys. Only pointing out that the HHH youth teams did not win one game in the spring league (from 31-27) and the other teams got worked at NLF. So the question is, will HHH keep poaching talent that other teams developed, or never have a class like 25 ever again? That’s what this forum is for right?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to those kids landing at some amazing schools. Kind of always been the problem with HHH, talented players but the teams don’t win much. Now that the talent is gone from 26 on down guess we’ll see what happens.

Talent is gone at 2026?

Not at all. Added a lot at 2026 and 2027.
Kids will leave other programs like Duke’s, Freedom, TeamTen, Mesa and play for HHH, as the allure of NLF is too good to pass up. BM better hope so, as those younger teams are terrible
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Kids will leave other programs like Duke’s, Freedom, TeamTen, Mesa and play for HHH, as the allure of NLF is too good to pass up. BM better hope so, as those younger teams are terrible

Don’t look now but it appears you don’t have to play for a NLF club to land at some major D1 programs…or play in that weak azz tournament. Congrats to ALL the boys doing well!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Kids will leave other programs like Duke’s, Freedom, TeamTen, Mesa and play for HHH, as the allure of NLF is too good to pass up. BM better hope so, as those younger teams are terrible

Don’t look now but it appears you don’t have to play for a NLF club to land at some major D1 programs…or play in that weak azz tournament. Congrats to ALL the boys doing well!

Very true….just be a hold back and play hero ball.
I don’t think you HAVE to play for an NLF team to be successful/recruited, not sure anyone is saying that. The league does provide the best opportunity to showcase in front of the top/most college coaches…that’s undeniable.
But you are correct - congrats to ALL the local boys (and girls) reppin’ the area!
Congrats to all the 2025’s. It’s a great representation of the quality of lacrosse in the Philadelphia area, regardless of which club team or high school.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Kids will leave other programs like Duke’s, Freedom, TeamTen, Mesa and play for HHH, as the allure of NLF is too good to pass up. BM better hope so, as those younger teams are terrible
Do you have any evidence for this statement? It seems like the big winner for 2026 was Team Ten. For 2027 the big winners were Brotherly Love and Team TEN. That is not saying HHH did not pick up some great players, because they definitely did.
No evidence. Only speculation into how BM will manage to keep his team a viable entity given the clear mismanagement and lack of effort in the youth program to fill the pipeline for the high school program.
BM better figure something out quick; I saw he hired a young coach for the 2030s but also heard rumors they were riding themselves of youth teams and focusing on HS…who knows?!
NLF is certainly enticing but not the end all be all it used to be. We shall see…
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BM better figure something out quick; I saw he hired a young coach for the 2030s but also heard rumors they were riding themselves of youth teams and focusing on HS…who knows?!
NLF is certainly enticing but not the end all be all it used to be. We shall see…

This sounds about right. Building a youth program and actually developing players is hard work. This guy ain't about hard work. Much easier to just ride the coat tails of the real NLF teams in Maryland and New York. This guy would much rather go skiing in the mountains of South America with the tuition checks from those 2033-2028 teams.
and yet he has multiples more recruits again to d1 than the rest of the clubs combined.doing something right. year in and out. seems to be smart. you seem big mad. hit the wall
Originally Posted by Anonymous
and yet he has multiples more recruits again to d1 than the rest of the clubs combined.doing something right. year in and out. seems to be smart. you seem big mad. hit the wall

Excellent points.Tough to name another club that has developed so many excellent college players over the years in the area as HHH except Mesa.There is a reason they are still the best clubs and no competition.
I’m happy for those players and families.

I am personally disgruntled as I was charged nearly 3 Grand in the youth program to be totally demolished in every game. Sorry if you can’t understand my alternate reality / experience with the program.

It’s like the lacrosse version of a Ponzi scheme.
You are not wrong; the youth programs aren’t even competitive. I’ll take losing but getting blown out/kept scoreless means there’s a serious issue…
Is it really HHH at the heart of those kids getting recruited? Or did anyone else notice that the only kids going to top tier colleges go to top tier private schools… such as Haverford and Malvern Prep? It appears that some of HHH other players, especially those who go to public schools, are going to… Grove City and Harford Community College?? Perhaps those HHH kids getting recruited would have done so no matter what club they played for…
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
and yet he has multiples more recruits again to d1 than the rest of the clubs combined.doing something right. year in and out. seems to be smart. you seem big mad. hit the wall

Excellent points.Tough to name another club that has developed so many excellent college players over the years in the area as HHH except Mesa.There is a reason they are still the best clubs and no competition.

GOOD FOR THEM!!!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are not wrong; the youth programs aren’t even competitive. I’ll take losing but getting blown out/kept scoreless means there’s a serious issue…

Correct. I handed over a sizable amount of money to this guy who by all indications knows the game (again high school kids are getting recruited, he himself coached a high school team). I assumed he would evaluate the team that he put together, determine what he has, and put in place an appropriate plan which includes solid practice plans paired with tournaments where the kids will grow as players, whatever their talent level.

After a few practices, it was clear where they were at even to me. I'm a reasonable guy. It's youth lacrosse. Let's get them better.

Instead the team was put in a position to get literally stream rolled every time they stepped on the field. Pair that with zero communication from organization and it feels really really bad from a parent perspective. Now multiple that by EVERY team in their youth program (this was not isolated to a single age group, but rather ALL age groups).

So what did me and my son get for my nearly 3 grand? Great question. While I can't quite say what I got, I'll just say that he didn't have the common courtesy to provide a reach around.


Honestly, I hope he does the right thing and shuts down his youth program. Unfortunately, I do not think that will happen and he'll continue to lure in youth players who hope to eventually play there in high school. Economically, the bulk of the tuition he charges is to youth players and family so I would highly doubt he'd take money out of his own pocket to do the right thing.
There is no “development” at HHH. 25s were different because Banks is a good coach and worked with that team for a long time. Notice how commenters are saying they “picked up talent” at 2026 level. That team went 11-15 last year. HHH model is to lure kids in HS with NLF promise of being recruited. Which is fine, but don’t act like it’s a program that develops these kids who eventually get recruited.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There is no “development” at HHH. 25s were different because Banks is a good coach and worked with that team for a long time. Notice how commenters are saying they “picked up talent” at 2026 level. That team went 11-15 last year. HHH model is to lure kids in HS with NLF promise of being recruited. Which is fine, but don’t act like it’s a program that develops these kids who eventually get recruited.
Say what you want but if the game is getting recruited, HHH is outpacing everyone. Must have some good contacts to move that many players….yes players are good but it is clear coaches connections are required.
I think the overarching theme here is that yes HHH has been great. The 25 class has been exceptional for a long period of time. No question or arguement.

Can BM keep it up like this with the 26, 27, 28 and beyond? There are many more options out in the market now.

Time will tell.
Is BM getting these kids recruited or Mackrides and the like? I know a few HS coaches personally and they are intimately involved in the recruiting process as HS coaches, or club coaches. Yes, HHH provides the exposure but, outside of that (and that’s a big variable), does BM really do anything for the boys?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
and yet he has multiples more recruits again to d1 than the rest of the clubs combined.doing something right. year in and out. seems to be smart. you seem big mad. hit the wall

Excellent points.Tough to name another club that has developed so many excellent college players over the years in the area as HHH except Mesa.There is a reason they are still the best clubs and no competition.

Brotherly Love had over 40 D1 commits between their 23’ and 24’ teams. All while having HHH block them from NLF events. You like apples?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is BM getting these kids recruited or Mackrides and the like? I know a few HS coaches personally and they are intimately involved in the recruiting process as HS coaches, or club coaches. Yes, HHH provides the exposure but, outside of that (and that’s a big variable), does BM really do anything for the boys?

Seems like lesser clubs getting upset HHH and Mesa are the only programs getting kids playing college or pro now for decades. One word development.Say who develops likes these and make us laugh. It aint the schools most of these kids havent played for the schools yet.HHH has to many commits to count this year.How them sour grapes?
These 25’s for HHH have been amazing as a group since they were in 5th grade. No question and no surprise they are getting recruited so heavily.

It’s the exact opposite of the current 5th grade group they have. If BM can take his current 5th graders and elevate them to D1 recruiting status, then we have a coach on our hands!!! Let’s check in in six or seven years and see what happens.

My guess is the roster will be totally different and will be filled with players developed at other clubs that just hop over to HHH for their sophomore recruiting year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is BM getting these kids recruited or Mackrides and the like? I know a few HS coaches personally and they are intimately involved in the recruiting process as HS coaches, or club coaches. Yes, HHH provides the exposure but, outside of that (and that’s a big variable), does BM really do anything for the boys?

Seems like lesser clubs getting upset HHH and Mesa are the only programs getting kids playing college or pro now for decades. One word development.Say who develops likes these and make us laugh. It aint the schools most of these kids havent played for the schools yet.HHH has to many commits to count this year.How them sour grapes?


One thing that is really telling to me is how many of those superstar recruits come back to the HHH program after their playing days are over? How many became coaches for the youth and HS teams? How many run clinics to help build the program?

Zero.

Why is that?
Interesting that Fusion, Team 11, and Delco LC are forced to join the arms race and create a "national" team. All good "local" clubs but it looks like the business side is forcing them into this situation. Not sure if this is a good or bad sign.
It definitely isn’t BM developing these kids. He is riding on the reputation of that club built years ago when there were very options. Those kids come to that club as they are and he isn’t doing anything special for them. If people weren’t so blinded by “reputation” they would see that there are extremely talented kids everywhere and many clubs and high schools do a much better job of teaching the game. Just look at BM other team he coaches - a local private school - that has yet to be very successful despite having significant resources.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is BM getting these kids recruited or Mackrides and the like? I know a few HS coaches personally and they are intimately involved in the recruiting process as HS coaches, or club coaches. Yes, HHH provides the exposure but, outside of that (and that’s a big variable), does BM really do anything for the boys?

Seems like lesser clubs getting upset HHH and Mesa are the only programs getting kids playing college or pro now for decades. One word development.Say who develops likes these and make us laugh. It aint the schools most of these kids havent played for the schools yet.HHH has to many commits to count this year.How them sour grapes?

Cant name another one that develops as well as HHH and Mesa mr keyboard.
Yes, the HHH 25 kids are great, but they are also mostly holdbacks. Is there another Philly club at the 2025 level that has as many holdbacks? I know of a former 2024 HHH player who just reclassed to 2025 as well.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes, the HHH 25 kids are great, but they are also mostly holdbacks. Is there another Philly club at the 2025 level that has as many holdbacks? I know of a former 2024 HHH player who just reclassed to 2025 as well.

Might want to look at the roster of every 25 and 26 team in Philly. They all have a very large amount of holdbacks. Team Ten just had a 25 go to 26. When you get to junior year of high school what does it matter? Non-holdbacks are the same size at this point. HHH did a great job getting their kids recruited or committing early. Team Ten, Mesa and NXT will surely have kids committing maybe just not in September.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is BM getting these kids recruited or Mackrides and the like? I know a few HS coaches personally and they are intimately involved in the recruiting process as HS coaches, or club coaches. Yes, HHH provides the exposure but, outside of that (and that’s a big variable), does BM really do anything for the boys?

Seems like lesser clubs getting upset HHH and Mesa are the only programs getting kids playing college or pro now for decades. One word development.Say who develops likes these and make us laugh. It aint the schools most of these kids havent played for the schools yet.HHH has to many commits to count this year.How them sour grapes?

Cant name another one that develops as well as HHH and Mesa mr keyboard.

Clearly HHH and MESA doing the best. Many of there former players are PLL best players.Seems like a good thing. If your club aint delivering maybe go there where they deliver.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It definitely isn’t BM developing these kids. He is riding on the reputation of that club built years ago when there were very options. Those kids come to that club as they are and he isn’t doing anything special for them. If people weren’t so blinded by “reputation” they would see that there are extremely talented kids everywhere and many clubs and high schools do a much better job of teaching the game. Just look at BM other team he coaches - a local private school - that has yet to be very successful despite having significant resources.

Seems like a club has a bee in their bonnet about the HHH success.Why the envy?
I actually think the Duke’s club has more PLL players than any local program, not HHH. Now, you can argue whether what the Duke’s offered back in the day would qualify as a true club team. Regardless, they have the most players…
As for the local clubs, they are being gobbled up. Delco was acquired by BPG so they follow the corporate agenda
Yes, the HHH 25 kids are great, but they are also mostly holdbacks. Is there another Philly club at the 2025 level that has as many holdbacks? I know of a former 2024 HHH player who just reclassed to 2025 as well.

Might want to look at the roster of every 25 and 26 team in Philly. They all have a very large amount of holdbacks. Team Ten just had a 25 go to 26. When you get to junior year of high school what does it matter? Non-holdbacks are the same size at this point. HHH did a great job getting their kids recruited or committing early. Team Ten, Mesa and NXT will surely have kids committing maybe just not in September.


As for argument of "When you get to junior year of high school what does it matter" - if it doesn't matter at that age, then why do people do it? It does matter.

Regarding the above comment regarding local clubs being gobbled up, don't think that Delco was gobbled up by BPG, just formed an alliance with Fusion and Team 11 to create national team opportunities and maybe get some improved facilities.
Delco def was acquired. They may not be happy w BPG’s National team but they were definitely gobbled up
Is something going on with HHH and Mesa? Joining forces since all their youth teams are struggling? Seems like the person keeps posting HHH along with Mesa, although no one else is talking about Mesa...

We all know club lacrosse ebbs and flow and goes in waves of which programs are putting together the best teams.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It definitely isn’t BM developing these kids. He is riding on the reputation of that club built years ago when there were very options. Those kids come to that club as they are and he isn’t doing anything special for them. If people weren’t so blinded by “reputation” they would see that there are extremely talented kids everywhere and many clubs and high schools do a much better job of teaching the game. Just look at BM other team he coaches - a local private school - that has yet to be very successful despite having significant resources.

Seems like a club has a bee in their bonnet about the HHH success.Why the envy?

Nah. Just burned for a lot of money paid to a guy with his foot off the gas. Buyer beware in the HHH youth program. Go into that thing with eyes wide open if you are considering it.

No problem with the high school program. It doesn’t require much effort from his part. The players he picks up are studs (he doesn’t make them studs).. but at least the high school kids get something out of it. That road goes both ways in high school. It is curious that no players come back to support the brand after their playing days are done.
You would think coaches/programs shift focus to youth programs, as not only do they drive huge revenue but they maintain success within the program. It’s almost too easy to see…why are the BMs missing it? Is it too much effort, cost, work? Weird…
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You would think coaches/programs shift focus to youth programs, as not only do they drive huge revenue but they maintain success within the program. It’s almost too easy to see…why are the BMs missing it? Is it too much effort, cost, work? Weird…

People probably tell you this all the time and it must be hard for you.You are a person of wonder.You are special.You are what the sport is missing. Heck you are what the world is missing.Thank you for persistently posting. First thing in the morning, all day, all night. We are blessed by your wisdom. You have been telling these brilliant ideas to your wife,kids, coworkers, and upper management for years. Imagine if they all had listened.Who cares now, their loss and our gain. Imagine no more, we have discovered you. Cure our world sir. Write on brave soul, write on.
Longtime watcher, first time commenter, funny.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Longtime watcher, first time commenter, funny.

I disagree. There was nothing particularly witty. Just sounds a chump who wanted to bring the conversation to an end. BM is that you?!?
I don’t get it. Was he trying to be funny? I think the question posted is a relevant one…
Guarantee the sarcastic poster’s kid is talentless.
Clown post, bro. Not sure what the purpose of your soliloquy was but you (and I can only assume your son) are lame.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Longtime watcher, first time commenter, funny.

I disagree. There was nothing particularly witty. Just sounds a chump who wanted to bring the conversation to an end. BM is that you?!?

Now that you were a crumb here is the second message tough guy. HHH and Mesa are weere the grads come back to coach. For oldest they did and coacches say same for younger ones. Want to hear what you say is a program you think is good trying to understand your shade for the successful clubs that got it done. Not like you dont know everything but older kids play strong colleges and the younger ones are better athletes, you can say what you want and whatnot but no need to be a crumb. Some of us dont have much time and trying to make best decisions and dont have time for your dense games on days off.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Longtime watcher, first time commenter, funny.

I disagree. There was nothing particularly witty. Just sounds a chump who wanted to bring the conversation to an end. BM is that you?!?

Now that you were a crumb here is the second message tough guy. HHH and Mesa are weere the grads come back to coach. For oldest they did and coacches say same for younger ones. Want to hear what you say is a program you think is good trying to understand your shade for the successful clubs that got it done. Not like you dont know everything but older kids play strong colleges and the younger ones are better athletes, you can say what you want and whatnot but no need to be a crumb. Some of us dont have much time and trying to make best decisions and dont have time for your dense games on days off.

Are you ok?
Best by year 2024 Mesa,BrotherlyLove,Freedom 2025 HHH 2026 Team ten,HHH,Mesa 2027 Team ten,BrotherlyLove,HHH 2028 Freedom,Dukes,Mesa 2029 PhillyFutures, Mesa,HHH,Dukes 2030 Dukes,NXT 2031 Dukes,NXT 2032 NXT, Freedom.Go
I don’t think anyone is blaming BM or throwing shade, just curious why the younger teams perform so poorly. Obviously, his focus is HS but that won’t be easy when these other programs are building success…
He better hope the NLF still holds strong
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Best by year 2024 Mesa,BrotherlyLove,Freedom 2025 HHH 2026 Team ten,HHH,Mesa 2027 Team ten,BrotherlyLove,HHH 2028 Freedom,Dukes,Mesa 2029 PhillyFutures, Mesa,HHH,Dukes 2030 Dukes,NXT 2031 Dukes,NXT 2032 NXT, Freedom.Go

Club leader bored

Mesa 4
Dukes 4
HHH 4
Freedom 3
NXT 3
Team10 2
BL 2
PF 1
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don’t think anyone is blaming BM or throwing shade, just curious why the younger teams perform so poorly. Obviously, his focus is HS but that won’t be easy when these other programs are building success…
He better hope the NLF still holds strong

LIST ABOVE SAY YOU GOT IT WRONG.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Best by year 2024 Mesa,BrotherlyLove,Freedom 2025 HHH 2026 Team ten,HHH,Mesa 2027 Team ten,BrotherlyLove,HHH 2028 Freedom,Dukes,Mesa 2029 PhillyFutures, Mesa,HHH,Dukes 2030 Dukes,NXT 2031 Dukes,NXT 2032 NXT, Freedom.Go

Club leader bored

Mesa 4
Dukes 4
HHH 4
Freedom 3
NXT 3
Team10 2
BL 2
PF 1

Leader “bored” nice try junior, more than a few discrepancies on this list, nice of you to check in between games of Fortnite
From the rankings and spring league:

2024: Bro Love, Dukes, HHH
2025: Team Ten, HHH, Dukes
2026: Team Ten, Freedom, HHH
2027: Team Ten, Mesa, Bro Love
2028: Freedom, Dukes, NXT
2029: NXT, Team 11, Dukes

No rankings yet:
2030: Dukes won spring league
Downingtown Dawgs, T11, NXT
2031: Jersey Express won spring league
NXT, Dukes, Mesa, T11
2032: Dukes won spring league
Team Ten, NXT

Overall Club Lax Rankings of programs nationally:
Team TEN #26
Dukes Elite #33
Freedom #44
Bro Love #45
NXT #48

HHH, Mesa, T11 did not make Top 50 rankings.


Lots of changes over summer. Fall ball should be fun.
Dad of a middle school kid playing for one of the big brand "elite" clubs in maryland (we're closer to baltimore than philly) but going to a pa public school system not known for lax hoping for some answers/advice...

1. Our "elite" club has been averaging 17 D1 commits per year. In your experience, how many of those kids are recruited and brought in during high school vs. being developed from middle school? My kids probably in the top 25% of our team but is not one of the key studs. What type of turnover should I expect come 9th grade?

2. If my kid does develop, is he screwed because he doesn't go to a private school with a reputation? Several team dads say that school is more important than club in getting visibility.

I appreciate any advice...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dad of a middle school kid playing for one of the big brand "elite" clubs in maryland (we're closer to baltimore than philly) but going to a pa public school system not known for lax hoping for some answers/advice...

1. Our "elite" club has been averaging 17 D1 commits per year. In your experience, how many of those kids are recruited and brought in during high school vs. being developed from middle school? My kids probably in the top 25% of our team but is not one of the key studs. What type of turnover should I expect come 9th grade?

2. If my kid does develop, is he screwed because he doesn't go to a private school with a reputation? Several team dads say that school is more important than club in getting visibility.

I appreciate any advice...


1) it’s typically a mix of recruited players and developed players. Due to the nature of the game as you know, there are some skills that can’t be coached / taught that some players have that others don’t that given them a competitive advantage ( speed, strength, coordination, vision/anticipation, etc). If a player is a student he’s getting recruited at practically every level. Middle school club, high school club and of course college. Turnover varies by club and by year and has factors that influence it such as coaching changes, club mergers, players looking for greener pastures, etc

2) If your kid is a standout player he will get recruited regardless of the school he goes to. Show cases and club lacrosse will help him get noticed if he’s a standout player. Club lacrosse will help develop your sons skill but that’s no guarantee your sons skills will develop to a standout level. How much does he play on his own time? How much does he like the game? Is he a quick learner? How is his footwork hand eye coordination? Etc. If he enjoys the game, plays a lot and is a good athlete overall he has a good chance of playing D1 ball or high level D2 or D3 if he wants to. Bluntly, your sons skill level, athleticism and academic standing will be the biggest factors in his recruiting. The best thing you can do is put him in an environment with good coaching, support him academically and trust the process from there if playing college lacrosse is the goal. When recruitment time comes around be realistic athletically and academically about which schools are a good fit, visit multiple schools, and choose school that he’ll most likely have a positive, beneficial experience outside of just lacrosse. Of course hopefully you get some scholarship money academically and/or athletically especially considering the cost of higher education these days
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Best by year 2024 Mesa,BrotherlyLove,Freedom 2025 HHH 2026 Team ten,HHH,Mesa 2027 Team ten,BrotherlyLove,HHH 2028 Freedom,Dukes,Mesa 2029 PhillyFutures, Mesa,HHH,Dukes 2030 Dukes,NXT 2031 Dukes,NXT 2032 NXT, Freedom.Go

Who/What is Philly Futures?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dad of a middle school kid playing for one of the big brand "elite" clubs in maryland (we're closer to baltimore than philly) but going to a pa public school system not known for lax hoping for some answers/advice...

1. Our "elite" club has been averaging 17 D1 commits per year. In your experience, how many of those kids are recruited and brought in during high school vs. being developed from middle school? My kids probably in the top 25% of our team but is not one of the key studs. What type of turnover should I expect come 9th grade?

2. If my kid does develop, is he screwed because he doesn't go to a private school with a reputation? Several team dads say that school is more important than club in getting visibility.

I appreciate any advice...


1) it’s typically a mix of recruited players and developed players. Due to the nature of the game as you know, there are some skills that can’t be coached / taught that some players have that others don’t that given them a competitive advantage ( speed, strength, coordination, vision/anticipation, etc). If a player is a student he’s getting recruited at practically every level. Middle school club, high school club and of course college. Turnover varies by club and by year and has factors that influence it such as coaching changes, club mergers, players looking for greener pastures, etc

2) If your kid is a standout player he will get recruited regardless of the school he goes to. Show cases and club lacrosse will help him get noticed if he’s a standout player. Club lacrosse will help develop your sons skill but that’s no guarantee your sons skills will develop to a standout level. How much does he play on his own time? How much does he like the game? Is he a quick learner? How is his footwork hand eye coordination? Etc. If he enjoys the game, plays a lot and is a good athlete overall he has a good chance of playing D1 ball or high level D2 or D3 if he wants to. Bluntly, your sons skill level, athleticism and academic standing will be the biggest factors in his recruiting. The best thing you can do is put him in an environment with good coaching, support him academically and trust the process from there if playing college lacrosse is the goal. When recruitment time comes around be realistic athletically and academically about which schools are a good fit, visit multiple schools, and choose school that he’ll most likely have a positive, beneficial experience outside of just lacrosse. Of course hopefully you get some scholarship money academically and/or athletically especially considering the cost of higher education these days

* If a player is a student he is getting recruited at practically every level (the moderators spell checked my post incorrectly)
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dad of a middle school kid playing for one of the big brand "elite" clubs in maryland (we're closer to baltimore than philly) but going to a pa public school system not known for lax hoping for some answers/advice...

1. Our "elite" club has been averaging 17 D1 commits per year. In your experience, how many of those kids are recruited and brought in during high school vs. being developed from middle school? My kids probably in the top 25% of our team but is not one of the key studs. What type of turnover should I expect come 9th grade?

2. If my kid does develop, is he screwed because he doesn't go to a private school with a reputation? Several team dads say that school is more important than club in getting visibility.

I appreciate any advice...


1) it’s typically a mix of recruited players and developed players. Due to the nature of the game as you know, there are some skills that can’t be coached / taught that some players have that others don’t that given them a competitive advantage ( speed, strength, coordination, vision/anticipation, etc). If a player is a student he’s getting recruited at practically every level. Middle school club, high school club and of course college. Turnover varies by club and by year and has factors that influence it such as coaching changes, club mergers, players looking for greener pastures, etc

2) If your kid is a standout player he will get recruited regardless of the school he goes to. Show cases and club lacrosse will help him get noticed if he’s a standout player. Club lacrosse will help develop your sons skill but that’s no guarantee your sons skills will develop to a standout level. How much does he play on his own time? How much does he like the game? Is he a quick learner? How is his footwork hand eye coordination? Etc. If he enjoys the game, plays a lot and is a good athlete overall he has a good chance of playing D1 ball or high level D2 or D3 if he wants to. Bluntly, your sons skill level, athleticism and academic standing will be the biggest factors in his recruiting. The best thing you can do is put him in an environment with good coaching, support him academically and trust the process from there if playing college lacrosse is the goal. When recruitment time comes around be realistic athletically and academically about which schools are a good fit, visit multiple schools, and choose school that he’ll most likely have a positive, beneficial experience outside of just lacrosse. Of course hopefully you get some scholarship money academically and/or athletically especially considering the cost of higher education these days

* If a player is a student he is getting recruited at practically every level (the moderators spell checked my post incorrectly)


The spelling keeps auto correcting or the moderator is changing the wording for some reason. “Student is supposed to be “student”.

*If a player is exceptional he is getting recruited at practically every level
Thanks! I appreciate the advice.
Congrats to all the 2025 commitments. Interesting that every single one of them is a hold back.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to all the 2025 commitments. Interesting that every single one of them is a hold back.

Agree HHH 2025 team had some real players.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to all the 2025 commitments. Interesting that every single one of them is a hold back.

Congrats on coming up with excuses why your son is not committed. #fakenews
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to all the 2025 commitments. Interesting that every single one of them is a hold back.

Congrats on coming up with excuses why your son is not committed. #fakenews

Don't worry about my son committing, pal. My son is technically a young 2025 (Birthday in March) but he slid back to 2027 when I changed him to a prep school to repeat 8th grade year after enrolling him late as a child.. We will have our moment in two years. I'm glad the plan is working by utilizing the "freakonomics" method for athletics.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to all the 2025 commitments. Interesting that every single one of them is a hold back.

Congrats on coming up with excuses why your son is not committed. #fakenews

Don't worry about my son committing, pal. My son is technically a young 2025 (Birthday in March) but he slid back to 2027 when I changed him to a prep school to repeat 8th grade year after enrolling him late as a child.. We will have our moment in two years. I'm glad the plan is working by utilizing the "freakonomics" method for athletics.

it is what it is. I'm not a fan of it. Ultimately it's what the colleges are looking for. If you put all your eggs into youth sports, you should play the game that is being played. No amount of complaining about it will change what the college coach wants. check out how D1 football is gonna change with the transfer portal rules. ND's current QB is 24, Georgia's QB last year was 25. The only difference is there is real money to be made in football (as opposed to just bragging rights in lacrosse).
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Congrats to all the 2025 commitments. Interesting that every single one of them is a hold back.

Interesting statement. At first I read it as a slam, then I looked at the schools these kids are going to and I see it as an overwhelming positive. How else could you look at it? Duke, Ivy League, Nova, service academies etc…I agree with you buddy!
Why do people get so defensive about club lacrosse? It's not like it is a true part of the community....it's pay to play. Everyone knows that going into it. It is a business.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to all the 2025 commitments. Interesting that every single one of them is a hold back.

Interesting statement. At first I read it as a slam, then I looked at the schools these kids are going to and I see it as an overwhelming positive. How else could you look at it? Duke, Ivy League, Nova, service academies etc…I agree with you buddy!

I would hold my kid back 3 years if he could get into some of those schools. It's a means to an end.

Boys are typically immature at that 18-19-20 year old age. Why not stack the odds in your favor for success?
Interesting that you assume a majority of them are holdbacks when a majority are not.
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Interesting that you assume a majority of them are holdbacks when a majority are not.

Seriously… who cares one way or the other. Clearly they are talented and top notch regardless. They put in the work and are rewarded. Hold back or not, they are great lacrosse players.

Can we get back to bashing club programs rather than kids?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Interesting that you assume a majority of them are holdbacks when a majority are not.

Seriously… who cares one way or the other. Clearly they are talented and top notch regardless. They put in the work and are rewarded. Hold back or not, they are great lacrosse players.

Can we get back to bashing club programs rather than kids?

The argument could be made that the “hold back” is taking a slot from the kid who did it the right way. I’m indifferent either way, but it has been proven what a large advantage a player has over the player that is 12-23 months younger then them.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Interesting that you assume a majority of them are holdbacks when a majority are not.

Seriously… who cares one way or the other. Clearly they are talented and top notch regardless. They put in the work and are rewarded. Hold back or not, they are great lacrosse players.

Can we get back to bashing club programs rather than kids?

The argument could be made that the “hold back” is taking a slot from the kid who did it the right way. I’m indifferent either way, but it has been proven what a large advantage a player has over the player that is 12-23 months younger then them.

"right way" is subjective based on an individual's perspective. In the college coachs' eyes, does he care if the student athlete was held back a year or not? he wants the biggest, strongest, fastest athletes he can get his hands on. If holding a kid back for a year helps him develop those traits that the college coach is seeking, I would argue that the college coach feels it's the 'right way' for him.

I'm not pro-holdback. I'm also not anti-holdback. I'm just a realist. It is the way the sport works and it's ultimately for the benefit of the college coaches - if it wasn't those college coaches could choose to blackbal holdbacks and not recruit them. Things would change really quick if that happened. I will never happen though, so holding back will always be there (even if they get it out of grade school, it will always be there in high school).
It’s not subjective. Older players have more muscle mass and dexterity then younger boys. It’s like saying trans women don’t have an advantage over cis women. The science is sound.
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It’s not subjective. Older players have more muscle mass and dexterity then younger boys. It’s like saying trans women don’t have an advantage over cis women. The science is sound.

^^^big Biden guy here
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s not subjective. Older players have more muscle mass and dexterity then younger boys. It’s like saying trans women don’t have an advantage over cis women. The science is sound.

^^^big Biden guy here

The Biden guy clearly missed my point. My point had nothing to do with the physical advantage a hold back may have over other kids. Or the advantage a fast kid may have over a slow kid. Or the advantage a rich kid may have over a poor kid. Or the advantage a kid with a father has over a kid who is fatherless.

My only point is that using the term "right way" is subjective. If it is not subjective, you would be able to direct me to the sacred lacrosse text saying that hold-back children and their parents are doing it the wrong way. Again, I'll point to college coaches. They LOVE recruiting holdbacks. So to them, holding back your son is the "right way". High school coaches also love Holdbacks. Club coaches also love having holdbacks on their team as well. Have a good night. Let's chat in the morning on the same topic...for the next 7 years.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s not subjective. Older players have more muscle mass and dexterity then younger boys. It’s like saying trans women don’t have an advantage over cis women. The science is sound.

^^^big Biden guy here

The Biden guy clearly missed my point. My point had nothing to do with the physical advantage a hold back may have over other kids. Or the advantage a fast kid may have over a slow kid. Or the advantage a rich kid may have over a poor kid. Or the advantage a kid with a father has over a kid who is fatherless.

My only point is that using the term "right way" is subjective. If it is not subjective, you would be able to direct me to the sacred lacrosse text saying that hold-back children and their parents are doing it the wrong way. Again, I'll point to college coaches. They LOVE recruiting holdbacks. So to them, holding back your son is the "right way". High school coaches also love Holdbacks. Club coaches also love having holdbacks on their team as well. Have a good night. Let's chat in the morning on the same topic...for the next 7 years.

Nice spin. If this was the "right way", then why did the US Lacrosse governing body change the rules? Everyone knows this was a loophole that zealot sports parents used to give their kid an advantage on the field. Unfortunately, nothing they can do on the high school front. Congrats on beating the system and cheating kids who do it the right way out of playing time.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s not subjective. Older players have more muscle mass and dexterity then younger boys. It’s like saying trans women don’t have an advantage over cis women. The science is sound.

^^^big Biden guy here

The Biden guy clearly missed my point. My point had nothing to do with the physical advantage a hold back may have over other kids. Or the advantage a fast kid may have over a slow kid. Or the advantage a rich kid may have over a poor kid. Or the advantage a kid with a father has over a kid who is fatherless.

My only point is that using the term "right way" is subjective. If it is not subjective, you would be able to direct me to the sacred lacrosse text saying that hold-back children and their parents are doing it the wrong way. Again, I'll point to college coaches. They LOVE recruiting holdbacks. So to them, holding back your son is the "right way". High school coaches also love Holdbacks. Club coaches also love having holdbacks on their team as well. Have a good night. Let's chat in the morning on the same topic...for the next 7 years.

Nice spin. If this was the "right way", then why did the US Lacrosse governing body change the rules? Everyone knows this was a loophole that zealot sports parents used to give their kid an advantage on the field. Unfortunately, nothing they can do on the high school front. Congrats on beating the system and cheating kids who do it the right way out of playing time.

Nothing they can do on the high school front because the college coaches and high school coaches want hold backs.
If you want to complain, complain to the high level coaches about it. See how much they care what you think is the right way.

You keep arguing the wrong stuff to the wrong people my man.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s not subjective. Older players have more muscle mass and dexterity then younger boys. It’s like saying trans women don’t have an advantage over cis women. The science is sound.

^^^big Biden guy here

The Biden guy clearly missed my point. My point had nothing to do with the physical advantage a hold back may have over other kids. Or the advantage a fast kid may have over a slow kid. Or the advantage a rich kid may have over a poor kid. Or the advantage a kid with a father has over a kid who is fatherless.

My only point is that using the term "right way" is subjective. If it is not subjective, you would be able to direct me to the sacred lacrosse text saying that hold-back children and their parents are doing it the wrong way. Again, I'll point to college coaches. They LOVE recruiting holdbacks. So to them, holding back your son is the "right way". High school coaches also love Holdbacks. Club coaches also love having holdbacks on their team as well. Have a good night. Let's chat in the morning on the same topic...for the next 7 years.

Nice spin. If this was the "right way", then why did the US Lacrosse governing body change the rules? Everyone knows this was a loophole that zealot sports parents used to give their kid an advantage on the field. Unfortunately, nothing they can do on the high school front. Congrats on beating the system and cheating kids who do it the right way out of playing time.

Nothing they can do on the high school front because the college coaches and high school coaches want hold backs.
If you want to complain, complain to the high level coaches about it. See how much they care what you think is the right way.

You keep arguing the wrong stuff to the wrong people my man.

Agreed. I held my kid back twice (he was young for his age in the first year) when he was in preschool and kindergarten. He is obviously older then his class mates and better at athletics. It did not come without sacrifice as he gets mocked for being older and we found out he missed out on early cognitive development by not being in the proper grade. The good news is the coaches love him and he is getting $15,000 off his college tuition next year.
..so he has that going for him, which is nice
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s not subjective. Older players have more muscle mass and dexterity then younger boys. It’s like saying trans women don’t have an advantage over cis women. The science is sound.

^^^big Biden guy here

The Biden guy clearly missed my point. My point had nothing to do with the physical advantage a hold back may have over other kids. Or the advantage a fast kid may have over a slow kid. Or the advantage a rich kid may have over a poor kid. Or the advantage a kid with a father has over a kid who is fatherless.

My only point is that using the term "right way" is subjective. If it is not subjective, you would be able to direct me to the sacred lacrosse text saying that hold-back children and their parents are doing it the wrong way. Again, I'll point to college coaches. They LOVE recruiting holdbacks. So to them, holding back your son is the "right way". High school coaches also love Holdbacks. Club coaches also love having holdbacks on their team as well. Have a good night. Let's chat in the morning on the same topic...for the next 7 years.

Nice spin. If this was the "right way", then why did the US Lacrosse governing body change the rules? Everyone knows this was a loophole that zealot sports parents used to give their kid an advantage on the field. Unfortunately, nothing they can do on the high school front. Congrats on beating the system and cheating kids who do it the right way out of playing time.

Nothing they can do on the high school front because the college coaches and high school coaches want hold backs.
If you want to complain, complain to the high level coaches about it. See how much they care what you think is the right way.

You keep arguing the wrong stuff to the wrong people my man.

Agreed. I held my kid back twice (he was young for his age in the first year) when he was in preschool and kindergarten. He is obviously older then his class mates and better at athletics. It did not come without sacrifice as he gets mocked for being older and we found out he missed out on early cognitive development by not being in the proper grade. The good news is the coaches love him and he is getting $15,000 off his college tuition next year.

Thanks for sharing that. I personally really appreciate the real talk on here. Everyone's journey is different and everybody has a different perspective. Best of luck to your son this year and beyond.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s not subjective. Older players have more muscle mass and dexterity then younger boys. It’s like saying trans women don’t have an advantage over cis women. The science is sound.

^^^big Biden guy here

The Biden guy clearly missed my point. My point had nothing to do with the physical advantage a hold back may have over other kids. Or the advantage a fast kid may have over a slow kid. Or the advantage a rich kid may have over a poor kid. Or the advantage a kid with a father has over a kid who is fatherless.

My only point is that using the term "right way" is subjective. If it is not subjective, you would be able to direct me to the sacred lacrosse text saying that hold-back children and their parents are doing it the wrong way. Again, I'll point to college coaches. They LOVE recruiting holdbacks. So to them, holding back your son is the "right way". High school coaches also love Holdbacks. Club coaches also love having holdbacks on their team as well. Have a good night. Let's chat in the morning on the same topic...for the next 7 years.

Nice spin. If this was the "right way", then why did the US Lacrosse governing body change the rules? Everyone knows this was a loophole that zealot sports parents used to give their kid an advantage on the field. Unfortunately, nothing they can do on the high school front. Congrats on beating the system and cheating kids who do it the right way out of playing time.

Nothing they can do on the high school front because the college coaches and high school coaches want hold backs.
If you want to complain, complain to the high level coaches about it. See how much they care what you think is the right way.

You keep arguing the wrong stuff to the wrong people my man.

Agreed. I held my kid back twice (he was young for his age in the first year) when he was in preschool and kindergarten. He is obviously older then his class mates and better at athletics. It did not come without sacrifice as he gets mocked for being older and we found out he missed out on early cognitive development by not being in the proper grade. The good news is the coaches love him and he is getting $15,000 off his college tuition next year.

I'm not trying to be a hater. If you felt that your kid was good enough - you would never have held him back. You don't think he knows this?

I never wanted that for my son. While others around him were held back/reclassed or did PG years for sports, I told him that he was going to have to play by the rules of doing the right thing and that no matter what happened with his recruiting - he would always have his integrity.

He ended up getting everything he wanted and can always hold his head high.

As I look at all the cooperate greed and the so called smart kids who are going to prison - I wonder if taking a short cut to your goals is always the right thing to do. Nuff said.
Gotta love the "I'm not trying to be a hater but....."
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s not subjective. Older players have more muscle mass and dexterity then younger boys. It’s like saying trans women don’t have an advantage over cis women. The science is sound.

^^^big Biden guy here

The Biden guy clearly missed my point. My point had nothing to do with the physical advantage a hold back may have over other kids. Or the advantage a fast kid may have over a slow kid. Or the advantage a rich kid may have over a poor kid. Or the advantage a kid with a father has over a kid who is fatherless.

My only point is that using the term "right way" is subjective. If it is not subjective, you would be able to direct me to the sacred lacrosse text saying that hold-back children and their parents are doing it the wrong way. Again, I'll point to college coaches. They LOVE recruiting holdbacks. So to them, holding back your son is the "right way". High school coaches also love Holdbacks. Club coaches also love having holdbacks on their team as well. Have a good night. Let's chat in the morning on the same topic...for the next 7 years.

Nice spin. If this was the "right way", then why did the US Lacrosse governing body change the rules? Everyone knows this was a loophole that zealot sports parents used to give their kid an advantage on the field. Unfortunately, nothing they can do on the high school front. Congrats on beating the system and cheating kids who do it the right way out of playing time.

Nothing they can do on the high school front because the college coaches and high school coaches want hold backs.
If you want to complain, complain to the high level coaches about it. See how much they care what you think is the right way.

You keep arguing the wrong stuff to the wrong people my man.

Agreed. I held my kid back twice (he was young for his age in the first year) when he was in preschool and kindergarten. He is obviously older then his class mates and better at athletics. It did not come without sacrifice as he gets mocked for being older and we found out he missed out on early cognitive development by not being in the proper grade. The good news is the coaches love him and he is getting $15,000 off his college tuition next year.

I'm not trying to be a hater. If you felt that your kid was good enough - you would never have held him back. You don't think he knows this?

I never wanted that for my son. While others around him were held back/reclassed or did PG years for sports, I told him that he was going to have to play by the rules of doing the right thing and that no matter what happened with his recruiting - he would always have his integrity.

He ended up getting everything he wanted and can always hold his head high.

As I look at all the cooperate greed and the so called smart kids who are going to prison - I wonder if taking a short cut to your goals is always the right thing to do. Nuff said.

Spare me... Just because you believe there is a "rule" against hold backs and that holding back is an "integrity" thing, doesn't make it a universal truth to every person on the planet. Just because you believe it, doesn't mean your neighbor has to. You are talking about corporate greed, but you are actually showing the mindset of a religious zealot.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s not subjective. Older players have more muscle mass and dexterity then younger boys. It’s like saying trans women don’t have an advantage over cis women. The science is sound.

^^^big Biden guy here

The Biden guy clearly missed my point. My point had nothing to do with the physical advantage a hold back may have over other kids. Or the advantage a fast kid may have over a slow kid. Or the advantage a rich kid may have over a poor kid. Or the advantage a kid with a father has over a kid who is fatherless.

My only point is that using the term "right way" is subjective. If it is not subjective, you would be able to direct me to the sacred lacrosse text saying that hold-back children and their parents are doing it the wrong way. Again, I'll point to college coaches. They LOVE recruiting holdbacks. So to them, holding back your son is the "right way". High school coaches also love Holdbacks. Club coaches also love having holdbacks on their team as well. Have a good night. Let's chat in the morning on the same topic...for the next 7 years.

Nice spin. If this was the "right way", then why did the US Lacrosse governing body change the rules? Everyone knows this was a loophole that zealot sports parents used to give their kid an advantage on the field. Unfortunately, nothing they can do on the high school front. Congrats on beating the system and cheating kids who do it the right way out of playing time.

Nothing they can do on the high school front because the college coaches and high school coaches want hold backs.
If you want to complain, complain to the high level coaches about it. See how much they care what you think is the right way.

You keep arguing the wrong stuff to the wrong people my man.

Agreed. I held my kid back twice (he was young for his age in the first year) when he was in preschool and kindergarten. He is obviously older then his class mates and better at athletics. It did not come without sacrifice as he gets mocked for being older and we found out he missed out on early cognitive development by not being in the proper grade. The good news is the coaches love him and he is getting $15,000 off his college tuition next year.

I'm not trying to be a hater. If you felt that your kid was good enough - you would never have held him back. You don't think he knows this?

I never wanted that for my son. While others around him were held back/reclassed or did PG years for sports, I told him that he was going to have to play by the rules of doing the right thing and that no matter what happened with his recruiting - he would always have his integrity.

He ended up getting everything he wanted and can always hold his head high.

As I look at all the cooperate greed and the so called smart kids who are going to prison - I wonder if taking a short cut to your goals is always the right thing to do. Nuff said.

Spare me... Just because you believe there is a "rule" against hold backs and that holding back is an "integrity" thing, doesn't make it a universal truth to every person on the planet. Just because you believe it, doesn't mean your neighbor has to. You are talking about corporate greed, but you are actually showing the mindset of a religious zealot.

Well said! This guy wants to keep blowing up a message board to prove his point meanwhile his point is subjective. It’s a “grey area”. Do you agree with it? That answer could be Yes, No, Maybe. It’s a matter of personal preference. Get off your soapbox & stop being melodramatic about your moral fortitude.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s not subjective. Older players have more muscle mass and dexterity then younger boys. It’s like saying trans women don’t have an advantage over cis women. The science is sound.

^^^big Biden guy here

The Biden guy clearly missed my point. My point had nothing to do with the physical advantage a hold back may have over other kids. Or the advantage a fast kid may have over a slow kid. Or the advantage a rich kid may have over a poor kid. Or the advantage a kid with a father has over a kid who is fatherless.

My only point is that using the term "right way" is subjective. If it is not subjective, you would be able to direct me to the sacred lacrosse text saying that hold-back children and their parents are doing it the wrong way. Again, I'll point to college coaches. They LOVE recruiting holdbacks. So to them, holding back your son is the "right way". High school coaches also love Holdbacks. Club coaches also love having holdbacks on their team as well. Have a good night. Let's chat in the morning on the same topic...for the next 7 years.

Nice spin. If this was the "right way", then why did the US Lacrosse governing body change the rules? Everyone knows this was a loophole that zealot sports parents used to give their kid an advantage on the field. Unfortunately, nothing they can do on the high school front. Congrats on beating the system and cheating kids who do it the right way out of playing time.

Nothing they can do on the high school front because the college coaches and high school coaches want hold backs.
If you want to complain, complain to the high level coaches about it. See how much they care what you think is the right way.

You keep arguing the wrong stuff to the wrong people my man.

Agreed. I held my kid back twice (he was young for his age in the first year) when he was in preschool and kindergarten. He is obviously older then his class mates and better at athletics. It did not come without sacrifice as he gets mocked for being older and we found out he missed out on early cognitive development by not being in the proper grade. The good news is the coaches love him and he is getting $15,000 off his college tuition next year.

I'm not trying to be a hater. If you felt that your kid was good enough - you would never have held him back. You don't think he knows this?

I never wanted that for my son. While others around him were held back/reclassed or did PG years for sports, I told him that he was going to have to play by the rules of doing the right thing and that no matter what happened with his recruiting - he would always have his integrity.

He ended up getting everything he wanted and can always hold his head high.

As I look at all the cooperate greed and the so called smart kids who are going to prison - I wonder if taking a short cut to your goals is always the right thing to do. Nuff said.

Mr “I’m not trying to be a Hater” do us a favor and start your own chat board about reclassifying so you can share your self-righteous opinion with those who want to constantly beat that drum. There are a lot of positive things happening in Phila area Lacrosse and this discussion is a constant downer. (Worth mentioning I am not a fan of reclassing but it’s part of the sport so I accept it and move on). Nuff said.
If the “holdback” was subjective, why did they change the rules for the younger club teams starting in 2031?

Everyone knows it was wrong and it caused a safety issue with younger boys playing against young men who were almost 2 years older than them in some cases. If you chose to hold your son back and don’t care about other people’s sons or their safety or potential success, then fine…..we have all met selfish individuals throughout our life like you. Just admit that you beat the system for selfish purposes.
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If the “holdback” was subjective, why did they change the rules for the younger club teams starting in 2031?

Everyone knows it was wrong and it caused a safety issue with younger boys playing against young men who were almost 2 years older than them in some cases. If you chose to hold your son back and don’t care about other people’s sons or their safety or potential success, then fine…..we have all met selfish individuals throughout our life like you. Just admit that you beat the system for selfish purposes.

You know you have more to worry about, like that johnny isnt good.Good news is still a little time to hit the wall.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If the “holdback” was subjective, why did they change the rules for the younger club teams starting in 2031?

Everyone knows it was wrong and it caused a safety issue with younger boys playing against young men who were almost 2 years older than them in some cases. If you chose to hold your son back and don’t care about other people’s sons or their safety or potential success, then fine…..we have all met selfish individuals throughout our life like you. Just admit that you beat the system for selfish purposes.

You know you have more to worry about, like that johnny isnt good.Good news is still a little time to hit the wall.


Holding back is not about youth lacrosse. If you think there is a lot of "hold backs" in youth lacrosse, just wait till you get to high school. Ain't gonna change. Ask yourself what college coaches want. That is the goal right, to get on the radar of a college coach?

Say you have a dream to work at NASA. You know what NASA is looking for, right? Science, Math, Engineering, etc. They are not looking for Women's Studies Majors or Religion Majors. So If you goal is to work at NASA, which major should you be picking in college? You are getting mad at the people picking science, math, engineering so they can work at NASA, while at the same time spouting the righteousness of those Religion majors and not understanding why they aren't getting hired at NASA.

Get over it already. If you care so much about your Child's future in lacrosse, Hold him back if that is your priority. If you just want your kid to play the sport and have a good time (which should be 95% of the people involved in this sport), stop worrying about the holdbacks man. You only have a few years in the sport - don't have it spoiled by things you literally have zero control over.
So if my kid knows calculus, should be compete with the kid learning his times tables?

Lacrosse is a physical sport (not academics) and holdbacks have a clear advantage. Pretty pathetic you are trying to justify beating the system. I’d respect you more if you just said I know I took advantage of the system and don’t care what anyone thinks. Trying to justify it is sad.
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So if my kid knows calculus, should be compete with the kid learning his times tables?

Lacrosse is a physical sport (not academics) and holdbacks have a clear advantage. Pretty pathetic you are trying to justify beating the system. I’d respect you more if you just said I know I took advantage of the system and don’t care what anyone thinks. Trying to justify it is sad.

Should there be a weight limit like in Pee-wee football? Or maybe weight classes like in wrestling? Some kids are naturally bigger stronger faster than other kids (regardless of age). Should they be put in a different division because it's a physical sport? You are harping on one single variable in a multi-variate equation of what makes a successful lacrosse player. Enjoy being miserable for no reason. I'm out.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
So if my kid knows calculus, should be compete with the kid learning his times tables?

Lacrosse is a physical sport (not academics) and holdbacks have a clear advantage. Pretty pathetic you are trying to justify beating the system. I’d respect you more if you just said I know I took advantage of the system and don’t care what anyone thinks. Trying to justify it is sad.

Should there be a weight limit like in Pee-wee football? Or maybe weight classes like in wrestling? Some kids are naturally bigger stronger faster than other kids (regardless of age). Should they be put in a different division because it's a physical sport? You are harping on one single variable in a multi-variate equation of what makes a successful lacrosse player. Enjoy being miserable for no reason. I'm out.

Why is this guy so angry that his kid has to play with other kids his same age?
This topic should be put to bed right? 8th grade and under is now age based and verified, very reasonable. High school is not which also seems reasonable. Whether you are for or against holdbacks both sides seemed to be considered and concessions were made. Since rules were made and the situation addressed it’s highly unlikely we’ll see anymore significant changes for a long time. Can we please stop seeing the same tired arguments from both sides and just focus on important stuff like how good some clubs 2035 team is going to be? Anything but this [Censored] anymore.
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This topic should be put to bed right? 8th grade and under is now age based and verified, very reasonable. High school is not which also seems reasonable. Whether you are for or against holdbacks both sides seemed to be considered and concessions were made. Since rules were made and the situation addressed it’s highly unlikely we’ll see anymore significant changes for a long time. Can we please stop seeing the same tired arguments from both sides and just focus on important stuff like how good some clubs 2035 team is going to be? Anything but this [Censored] anymore.
Sounds good. This won't stop anything. The fact of the matter is that the bulk of players vying for spots on college programs will be holdbacks, reclasses and PG Men. It will be pretty much an even playing field because almost every player will be older. Big shout out to those who take a different path. Much respect.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This topic should be put to bed right? 8th grade and under is now age based and verified, very reasonable. High school is not which also seems reasonable. Whether you are for or against holdbacks both sides seemed to be considered and concessions were made. Since rules were made and the situation addressed it’s highly unlikely we’ll see anymore significant changes for a long time. Can we please stop seeing the same tired arguments from both sides and just focus on important stuff like how good some clubs 2035 team is going to be? Anything but this [Censored] anymore.

NXT is going to dominate. Next question.
You guys are all nerds. Do something meaningful with your lives.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You guys are all nerds. Do something meaningful with your lives.

He makes a good point. I think most of us just want our sons to be happy and enjoy the game, while destroying kids who are two years younger then them.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You guys are all nerds. Do something meaningful with your lives.

He makes a good point. I think most of us just want our sons to be happy and enjoy the game, while destroying kids who are two years younger then them.
Okay. That was funny.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You guys are all nerds. Do something meaningful with your lives.

And yet you’re on here with the rest of us on Mensa candidate
Just moved into area. Anyone have helpful advice on the better 2030 teams in Phila. No problem traveling a bit, not looking for daddy ball teams, been there done that with my older son. I know timing is not ideal.
HHH
Mesa
NXT
Duke’s
Team 11
Team Ten
Freedom
True Philly
It really depends on what you mean by better teams. Duke's won the 2030 division in the NXT Spring league, so they seem to be the team that wins the most. In terms of player development and coaching, it depends somewhat on the age for the other programs. Some to look into are Duke's, NXT, Team Ten, Team 11, and Freedom. I believe Duke's and NXT have 2 teams at 2030, so it may be easier to step in to a program with multiple teams. Reach out to a few of the local teams and see if you can attend a practice and see the team and coaching for yourself, if your son's a difference maker I'm sure most teams will find a spot for him.
The top 3 are cooked
Stay away from anything True
Ten, Freedom, and NXT
Don’t get [Censored] into the NLF [Censored]
Can you and/or someone translate this drivel?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can you and/or someone translate this drivel?

As has been pretty well documented on this forum (and can be easily verified on USCL) please stay away from HHH for anything youth related (As the Original Poster stated they are looking for a 2030 team). It is beyond terrible. Last Year HHH went 0-fer-the-spring-league. I don't mean one age group. That is ALL HHH Age groups. Not a single win. Somebody on here can probably do the math, but I'd say average margin of defeat was around 10 goals per game in that spring league. With numbers like that, if you are considering HHH for youth lacrosse, you should be asking McKinney what his plan is to re-engage in the youth market. I'm sure he'll have a great answer.
As has been pretty well documented on this forum (and can be easily verified on USCL) please stay away from HHH for anything youth related (As the Original Poster stated they are looking for a 2030 team). It is beyond terrible. Last Year HHH went 0-fer-the-spring-league. I don't mean one age group. That is ALL HHH Age groups. Not a single win. Somebody on here can probably do the math, but I'd say average margin of defeat was around 10 goals per game in that spring league. With numbers like that, if you are considering HHH for youth lacrosse, you should be asking McKinney what his plan is to re-engage in the youth market. I'm sure he'll have a great answer.[/quote]
What measure of bad do you use because from what I can see on Inside Lacrosse (dont care about w/l) the 2025 team did very well where it matters.
Duke: 3
Penn: 2
Cornell: 2
Harvard: 1
Lehigh: 1
Michigan: 1
This means that every school on here trusts the directors and will call them year over year. No college coach is on this board but they are at NLF and they are talking to Directors who they know send them top players year over year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As has been pretty well documented on this forum (and can be easily verified on USCL) please stay away from HHH for anything youth related (As the Original Poster stated they are looking for a 2030 team). It is beyond terrible. Last Year HHH went 0-fer-the-spring-league. I don't mean one age group. That is ALL HHH Age groups. Not a single win. Somebody on here can probably do the math, but I'd say average margin of defeat was around 10 goals per game in that spring league. With numbers like that, if you are considering HHH for youth lacrosse, you should be asking McKinney what his plan is to re-engage in the youth market. I'm sure he'll have a great answer.
What measure of bad do you use because from what I can see on Inside Lacrosse (dont care about w/l) the 2025 team did very well where it matters.
Duke: 3
Penn: 2
Cornell: 2
Harvard: 1
Lehigh: 1
Michigan: 1
This means that every school on here trusts the directors and will call them year over year. No college coach is on this board but they are at NLF and they are talking to Directors who they know send them top players year over year.[/quote]

Cleary you don't pay very close attention to detail or just struggle with reading comprehension. The comment was to "stay away from HHH for anything youth related(as the original poster stated they are looking for a 2030 team)". The YOUTH program at HHH is a total mess. No commentary was provide on the HIGH SCHOOL program. That is why I specified YOUTH. Yes, the 2025 HHH is great.
How many of the HHH Youth Players will still make the HHH High School team? My guess is that when a youth program goes 0-fer-the-spring-league but the high school program is sending players to top tier D1 programs, one of two things will happen.
1) The program is in decline and will be irrelavent in a few years (maybe sold to private equity firms?)
OR
2) The youth players will be replaced in bulk as they enter high school so that the high school teams are competitive at the NLF.

Either way, YOUTH Players and Families should avoid the YOUTH program. Learn somewhere else and move over in high school if you are good enough.

Got it brainiac?
What measure of bad do you use because from what I can see on Inside Lacrosse (dont care about w/l) the 2025 team did very well where it matters.
Duke: 3
Penn: 2
Cornell: 2
Harvard: 1
Lehigh: 1
Michigan: 1
This means that every school on here trusts the directors and will call them year over year. No college coach is on this board but they are at NLF and they are talking to Directors who they know send them top players year over year.[/quote]

Updated score for HHH 2025 and BM magic: Duke:4, Cornell: 3, Penn: 2, 1 for Michigan,Harvard,Lehigh,Rutgers and another six coming.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As has been pretty well documented on this forum (and can be easily verified on USCL) please stay away from HHH for anything youth related (As the Original Poster stated they are looking for a 2030 team). It is beyond terrible. Last Year HHH went 0-fer-the-spring-league. I don't mean one age group. That is ALL HHH Age groups. Not a single win. Somebody on here can probably do the math, but I'd say average margin of defeat was around 10 goals per game in that spring league. With numbers like that, if you are considering HHH for youth lacrosse, you should be asking McKinney what his plan is to re-engage in the youth market. I'm sure he'll have a great answer.
What measure of bad do you use because from what I can see on Inside Lacrosse (dont care about w/l) the 2025 team did very well where it matters.
Duke: 3
Penn: 2
Cornell: 2
Harvard: 1
Lehigh: 1
Michigan: 1
This means that every school on here trusts the directors and will call them year over year. No college coach is on this board but they are at NLF and they are talking to Directors who they know send them top players year over year.

Cleary you don't pay very close attention to detail or just struggle with reading comprehension. The comment was to "stay away from HHH for anything youth related(as the original poster stated they are looking for a 2030 team)". The YOUTH program at HHH is a total mess. No commentary was provide on the HIGH SCHOOL program. That is why I specified YOUTH. Yes, the 2025 HHH is great.
How many of the HHH Youth Players will still make the HHH High School team? My guess is that when a youth program goes 0-fer-the-spring-league but the high school program is sending players to top tier D1 programs, one of two things will happen.
1) The program is in decline and will be irrelavent in a few years (maybe sold to private equity firms?)
OR
2) The youth players will be replaced in bulk as they enter high school so that the high school teams are competitive at the NLF.

Either way, YOUTH Players and Families should avoid the YOUTH program. Learn somewhere else and move over in high school if you are good enough.

Got it brainiac?[/quote]

It should be noted that BM has two young sons, 2031/2032 for the oldest and 2033 for the next. He is already building around them so I believe he is working on fixing the youth program. (Just look at BirdDog HHH 2031) Also, BM is more of a lets learn skills, play other sports and not practice 3x a week in the fall for 8-11 yr olds.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What measure of bad do you use because from what I can see on Inside Lacrosse (dont care about w/l) the 2025 team did very well where it matters.
Duke: 3
Penn: 2
Cornell: 2
Harvard: 1
Lehigh: 1
Michigan: 1
This means that every school on here trusts the directors and will call them year over year. No college coach is on this board but they are at NLF and they are talking to Directors who they know send them top players year over year.



Curse you NLF for putting out precise college placement statistics.And highlighting 70% of 2025 recruits so far are from NLF teams is just mean.You knew that posting these numbers along with HHH leading the country in placement would only insta trigger a certain rotund short tempered facility compensating director.Accurate facts and figures are not welcome here NLF.You set this place back at least six months.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As has been pretty well documented on this forum (and can be easily verified on USCL) please stay away from HHH for anything youth related (As the Original Poster stated they are looking for a 2030 team). It is beyond terrible. Last Year HHH went 0-fer-the-spring-league. I don't mean one age group. That is ALL HHH Age groups. Not a single win. Somebody on here can probably do the math, but I'd say average margin of defeat was around 10 goals per game in that spring league. With numbers like that, if you are considering HHH for youth lacrosse, you should be asking McKinney what his plan is to re-engage in the youth market. I'm sure he'll have a great answer.
What measure of bad do you use because from what I can see on Inside Lacrosse (dont care about w/l) the 2025 team did very well where it matters.
Duke: 3
Penn: 2
Cornell: 2
Harvard: 1
Lehigh: 1
Michigan: 1
This means that every school on here trusts the directors and will call them year over year. No college coach is on this board but they are at NLF and they are talking to Directors who they know send them top players year over year.

Cleary you don't pay very close attention to detail or just struggle with reading comprehension. The comment was to "stay away from HHH for anything youth related(as the original poster stated they are looking for a 2030 team)". The YOUTH program at HHH is a total mess. No commentary was provide on the HIGH SCHOOL program. That is why I specified YOUTH. Yes, the 2025 HHH is great.
How many of the HHH Youth Players will still make the HHH High School team? My guess is that when a youth program goes 0-fer-the-spring-league but the high school program is sending players to top tier D1 programs, one of two things will happen.
1) The program is in decline and will be irrelavent in a few years (maybe sold to private equity firms?)
OR
2) The youth players will be replaced in bulk as they enter high school so that the high school teams are competitive at the NLF.

Either way, YOUTH Players and Families should avoid the YOUTH program. Learn somewhere else and move over in high school if you are good enough.

Got it brainiac?

It should be noted that BM has two young sons, 2031/2032 for the oldest and 2033 for the next. He is already building around them so I believe he is working on fixing the youth program. (Just look at BirdDog HHH 2031) Also, BM is more of a lets learn skills, play other sports and not practice 3x a week in the fall for 8-11 yr olds.[/quote]

Oh good. He’s paying attention to the 2031-2033?!? Bravo! What are his plans for the 2028, 2029, and 2030’s (besides milking them for cash and then cutting them when better players funnel in for the NLF in high school? Buyer beware if there is not a BM next of kin on the roster.
More of an observation, but I noticed most of the contributors on this board are more concerned about their son getting to the next level (college) then enjoying the game and making friends. An important question to ask is if you are doing all this for you or your son? On the outside, it looks like a very toxic environment that you are creating for your sons.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
More of an observation, but I noticed most of the contributors on this board are more concerned about their son getting to the next level (college) then enjoying the game and making friends. An important question to ask is if you are doing all this for you or your son? On the outside, it looks like a very toxic environment that you are creating for your sons.
I miss the old Dukes National string that used to dominate the Philly Forum. Good old days.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
More of an observation, but I noticed most of the contributors on this board are more concerned about their son getting to the next level (college) then enjoying the game and making friends. An important question to ask is if you are doing all this for you or your son? On the outside, it looks like a very toxic environment that you are creating for your sons.

Unfortunately, I've found that most of the Lacrosse Community is toxic, and it seems to only get worse as you move up the age brackets. Amazing and sad considering how small and niche the sport is in the broader context.
Using a team’s ranking on USCL as a barometer for which team is better is absolutely absurd. Those rankings are bought & paid for…just like the IL player rankings.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
More of an observation, but I noticed most of the contributors on this board are more concerned about their son getting to the next level (college) then enjoying the game and making friends. An important question to ask is if you are doing all this for you or your son? On the outside, it looks like a very toxic environment that you are creating for your sons.

Unfortunately, I've found that most of the Lacrosse Community is toxic, and it seems to only get worse as you move up the age brackets. Amazing and sad considering how small and niche the sport is in the broader context.

What time are we meeting up for the carpool to the school board vote Karen.Please remember to wear your red hat from the DC march so we match.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
More of an observation, but I noticed most of the contributors on this board are more concerned about their son getting to the next level (college) then enjoying the game and making friends. An important question to ask is if you are doing all this for you or your son? On the outside, it looks like a very toxic environment that you are creating for your sons.

Unfortunately, I've found that most of the Lacrosse Community is toxic, and it seems to only get worse as you move up the age brackets. Amazing and sad considering how small and niche the sport is in the broader context.

What time are we meeting up for the carpool to the school board vote Karen.Please remember to wear your red hat from the DC march so we match.

Totally Classic! You totally nailed. You win. I wish I could shake your hand in person and hear your musings on life. Maybe I'll head down to your trailer (i bet it's a double wide you lucky dog) and we can discuss the school board vote
The G Bros. are no longer w the Duke’s so not much you can ridicule; the new directors aren’t stealing from parents…
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
More of an observation, but I noticed most of the contributors on this board are more concerned about their son getting to the next level (college) then enjoying the game and making friends. An important question to ask is if you are doing all this for you or your son? On the outside, it looks like a very toxic environment that you are creating for your sons.

Unfortunately, I've found that most of the Lacrosse Community is toxic, and it seems to only get worse as you move up the age brackets. Amazing and sad considering how small and niche the sport is in the broader context.

What time are we meeting up for the carpool to the school board vote Karen.Please remember to wear your red hat from the DC march so we match.

Totally Classic! You totally nailed. You win. I wish I could shake your hand in person and hear your musings on life. Maybe I'll head down to your trailer (i bet it's a double wide you lucky dog) and we can discuss the school board vote

Golf clap to pp for breaking Karen into hysterical meltdown in two short sentences.Wherever pp lives,respect.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
More of an observation, but I noticed most of the contributors on this board are more concerned about their son getting to the next level (college) then enjoying the game and making friends. An important question to ask is if you are doing all this for you or your son? On the outside, it looks like a very toxic environment that you are creating for your sons.

Unfortunately, I've found that most of the Lacrosse Community is toxic, and it seems to only get worse as you move up the age brackets. Amazing and sad considering how small and niche the sport is in the broader context.

What time are we meeting up for the carpool to the school board vote Karen.Please remember to wear your red hat from the DC march so we match.

Totally Classic! You totally nailed. You win. I wish I could shake your hand in person and hear your musings on life. Maybe I'll head down to your trailer (i bet it's a double wide you lucky dog) and we can discuss the school board vote

Golf clap to pp for breaking Karen into hysterical meltdown in two short sentences.Wherever pp lives,respect.
Now that the ad hominem attacks are done, can we move on?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
More of an observation, but I noticed most of the contributors on this board are more concerned about their son getting to the next level (college) then enjoying the game and making friends. An important question to ask is if you are doing all this for you or your son? On the outside, it looks like a very toxic environment that you are creating for your sons.

Unfortunately, I've found that most of the Lacrosse Community is toxic, and it seems to only get worse as you move up the age brackets. Amazing and sad considering how small and niche the sport is in the broader context.

What time are we meeting up for the carpool to the school board vote Karen.Please remember to wear your red hat from the DC march so we match.

Totally Classic! You totally nailed. You win. I wish I could shake your hand in person and hear your musings on life. Maybe I'll head down to your trailer (i bet it's a double wide you lucky dog) and we can discuss the school board vote

Golf clap to pp for breaking Karen into hysterical meltdown in two short sentences.Wherever pp lives,respect.

Ain’t nobody melting down, baby!!! I’m just living my best life while y’all are being toxic and proving my point!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
More of an observation, but I noticed most of the contributors on this board are more concerned about their son getting to the next level (college) then enjoying the game and making friends. An important question to ask is if you are doing all this for you or your son? On the outside, it looks like a very toxic environment that you are creating for your sons.

Unfortunately, I've found that most of the Lacrosse Community is toxic, and it seems to only get worse as you move up the age brackets. Amazing and sad considering how small and niche the sport is in the broader context.

What time are we meeting up for the carpool to the school board vote Karen.Please remember to wear your red hat from the DC march so we match.

Totally Classic! You totally nailed. You win. I wish I could shake your hand in person and hear your musings on life. Maybe I'll head down to your trailer (i bet it's a double wide you lucky dog) and we can discuss the school board vote

Golf clap to pp for breaking Karen into hysterical meltdown in two short sentences.Wherever pp lives,respect.

I can only imagine this is a 11 year old boy and not an adult. Extremely embarrassing behavior.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
More of an observation, but I noticed most of the contributors on this board are more concerned about their son getting to the next level (college) then enjoying the game and making friends. An important question to ask is if you are doing all this for you or your son? On the outside, it looks like a very toxic environment that you are creating for your sons.

Unfortunately, I've found that most of the Lacrosse Community is toxic, and it seems to only get worse as you move up the age brackets. Amazing and sad considering how small and niche the sport is in the broader context.

What time are we meeting up for the carpool to the school board vote Karen.Please remember to wear your red hat from the DC march so we match.

Totally Classic! You totally nailed. You win. I wish I could shake your hand in person and hear your musings on life. Maybe I'll head down to your trailer (i bet it's a double wide you lucky dog) and we can discuss the school board vote

Golf clap to pp for breaking Karen into hysterical meltdown in two short sentences.Wherever pp lives,respect.

I can only imagine this is a 11 year old boy and not an adult. Extremely embarrassing behavior.

which comment is more embarrassing? The comment suggesting that a poster participated in criminal activities in DC for suggesting that the lacrosse community is toxic OR the classist retort suggesting someone was poor? Is this a lacrosse board or a middle school playground?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
More of an observation, but I noticed most of the contributors on this board are more concerned about their son getting to the next level (college) then enjoying the game and making friends. An important question to ask is if you are doing all this for you or your son? On the outside, it looks like a very toxic environment that you are creating for your sons.

Unfortunately, I've found that most of the Lacrosse Community is toxic, and it seems to only get worse as you move up the age brackets. Amazing and sad considering how small and niche the sport is in the broader context.

What time are we meeting up for the carpool to the school board vote Karen.Please remember to wear your red hat from the DC march so we match.

Totally Classic! You totally nailed. You win. I wish I could shake your hand in person and hear your musings on life. Maybe I'll head down to your trailer (i bet it's a double wide you lucky dog) and we can discuss the school board vote

Golf clap to pp for breaking Karen into hysterical meltdown in two short sentences.Wherever pp lives,respect.

I can only imagine this is a 11 year old boy and not an adult. Extremely embarrassing behavior.

11 year old TKO’d Karen school admin in the first.Kid should sign with crossing broad.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
More of an observation, but I noticed most of the contributors on this board are more concerned about their son getting to the next level (college) then enjoying the game and making friends. An important question to ask is if you are doing all this for you or your son? On the outside, it looks like a very toxic environment that you are creating for your sons.

Unfortunately, I've found that most of the Lacrosse Community is toxic, and it seems to only get worse as you move up the age brackets. Amazing and sad considering how small and niche the sport is in the broader context.

What time are we meeting up for the carpool to the school board vote Karen.Please remember to wear your red hat from the DC march so we match.

Totally Classic! You totally nailed. You win. I wish I could shake your hand in person and hear your musings on life. Maybe I'll head down to your trailer (i bet it's a double wide you lucky dog) and we can discuss the school board vote

Golf clap to pp for breaking Karen into hysterical meltdown in two short sentences.Wherever pp lives,respect.

I can only imagine this is a 11 year old boy and not an adult. Extremely embarrassing behavior.

11 year old TKO’d Karen school admin in the first.Kid should sign with crossing broad.

Agreed.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
More of an observation, but I noticed most of the contributors on this board are more concerned about their son getting to the next level (college) then enjoying the game and making friends. An important question to ask is if you are doing all this for you or your son? On the outside, it looks like a very toxic environment that you are creating for your sons.

Unfortunately, I've found that most of the Lacrosse Community is toxic, and it seems to only get worse as you move up the age brackets. Amazing and sad considering how small and niche the sport is in the broader context.

What time are we meeting up for the carpool to the school board vote Karen.Please remember to wear your red hat from the DC march so we match.

Totally Classic! You totally nailed. You win. I wish I could shake your hand in person and hear your musings on life. Maybe I'll head down to your trailer (i bet it's a double wide you lucky dog) and we can discuss the school board vote

Golf clap to pp for breaking Karen into hysterical meltdown in two short sentences.Wherever pp lives,respect.

I can only imagine this is a 11 year old boy and not an adult. Extremely embarrassing behavior.

which comment is more embarrassing? The comment suggesting that a poster participated in criminal activities in DC for suggesting that the lacrosse community is toxic OR the classist retort suggesting someone was poor? Is this a lacrosse board or a middle school playground?

no dog in the fight,,,,,think kid was talking about womens march with hats but this is botc so whoknows,
You all need to work a lot harder if you want to reach the toxicity level of the MD forum.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You all need to work a lot harder if you want to reach the toxicity level of the MD forum.

Everyone of us know who "that" parent is on the sideline. It is so embarrassing for their child and the rest of the parents. They think they are a tough guy by yelling at refs and telling their son to play better when their fat Meanycould not run (3) 100 yard sprints.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
More of an observation, but I noticed most of the contributors on this board are more concerned about their son getting to the next level (college) then enjoying the game and making friends. An important question to ask is if you are doing all this for you or your son? On the outside, it looks like a very toxic environment that you are creating for your sons.

Unfortunately, I've found that most of the Lacrosse Community is toxic, and it seems to only get worse as you move up the age brackets. Amazing and sad considering how small and niche the sport is in the broader context.

What time are we meeting up for the carpool to the school board vote Karen.Please remember to wear your red hat from the DC march so we match.

Totally Classic! You totally nailed. You win. I wish I could shake your hand in person and hear your musings on life. Maybe I'll head down to your trailer (i bet it's a double wide you lucky dog) and we can discuss the school board vote

Golf clap to pp for breaking Karen into hysterical meltdown in two short sentences.Wherever pp lives,respect.

I can only imagine this is a 11 year old boy and not an adult. Extremely embarrassing behavior.

11 year old TKO’d Karen school admin in the first.Kid should sign with crossing broad.

Agreed.

Just finished intense gc job so haven’t checked here in a bit. But glad I did. Above is what keep you coming back.Kid sounds like a real upper Darby like up and comer, setup and quickly knocked down those Karen trigger pins with ease. Kid bowled a quick 300 and spiked in the end zone on the way out. extremity hats twist was classic internet gold.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
More of an observation, but I noticed most of the contributors on this board are more concerned about their son getting to the next level (college) then enjoying the game and making friends. An important question to ask is if you are doing all this for you or your son? On the outside, it looks like a very toxic environment that you are creating for your sons.

Unfortunately, I've found that most of the Lacrosse Community is toxic, and it seems to only get worse as you move up the age brackets. Amazing and sad considering how small and niche the sport is in the broader context.

What time are we meeting up for the carpool to the school board vote Karen.Please remember to wear your red hat from the DC march so we match.

Totally Classic! You totally nailed. You win. I wish I could shake your hand in person and hear your musings on life. Maybe I'll head down to your trailer (i bet it's a double wide you lucky dog) and we can discuss the school board vote

Golf clap to pp for breaking Karen into hysterical meltdown in two short sentences.Wherever pp lives,respect.

I can only imagine this is a 11 year old boy and not an adult. Extremely embarrassing behavior.

11 year old TKO’d Karen school admin in the first.Kid should sign with crossing broad.

Agreed.

Just finished intense gc job so haven’t checked here in a bit. But glad I did. Above is what keep you coming back.Kid sounds like a real upper Darby like up and comer, setup and quickly knocked down those Karen trigger pins with ease. Kid bowled a quick 300 and spiked in the end zone on the way out. extremity hats twist was classic internet gold.

English?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
More of an observation, but I noticed most of the contributors on this board are more concerned about their son getting to the next level (college) then enjoying the game and making friends. An important question to ask is if you are doing all this for you or your son? On the outside, it looks like a very toxic environment that you are creating for your sons.

Unfortunately, I've found that most of the Lacrosse Community is toxic, and it seems to only get worse as you move up the age brackets. Amazing and sad considering how small and niche the sport is in the broader context.

What time are we meeting up for the carpool to the school board vote Karen.Please remember to wear your red hat from the DC march so we match.

Totally Classic! You totally nailed. You win. I wish I could shake your hand in person and hear your musings on life. Maybe I'll head down to your trailer (i bet it's a double wide you lucky dog) and we can discuss the school board vote

Golf clap to pp for breaking Karen into hysterical meltdown in two short sentences.Wherever pp lives,respect.

I can only imagine this is a 11 year old boy and not an adult. Extremely embarrassing behavior.

11 year old TKO’d Karen school admin in the first.Kid should sign with crossing broad.

Agreed.

Just finished intense gc job so haven’t checked here in a bit. But glad I did. Above is what keep you coming back.Kid sounds like a real upper Darby like up and comer, setup and quickly knocked down those Karen trigger pins with ease. Kid bowled a quick 300 and spiked in the end zone on the way out. extremity hats twist was classic internet gold.

Agreed.Kid is definitely Delco gold.

Judging by Karen's derision on the trailer and club lax experience, her kid is not crushing it. Montgo mom been club hopping the kid for years.Same old story.Teams just dont see how good her kid is.Tries the angle to become best friends with good players parents. Weird and doesnt workout. Schemes to become the team mom but nobody cares about the made up position. What should be a fun experience for the kid is now all about her again.
Predictions for fall games?
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More of an observation, but I noticed most of the contributors on this board are more concerned about their son getting to the next level (college) then enjoying the game and making friends. An important question to ask is if you are doing all this for you or your son? On the outside, it looks like a very toxic environment that you are creating for your sons.

Unfortunately, I've found that most of the Lacrosse Community is toxic, and it seems to only get worse as you move up the age brackets. Amazing and sad considering how small and niche the sport is in the broader context.

What time are we meeting up for the carpool to the school board vote Karen.Please remember to wear your red hat from the DC march so we match.

Totally Classic! You totally nailed. You win. I wish I could shake your hand in person and hear your musings on life. Maybe I'll head down to your trailer (i bet it's a double wide you lucky dog) and we can discuss the school board vote

Golf clap to pp for breaking Karen into hysterical meltdown in two short sentences.Wherever pp lives,respect.

I can only imagine this is a 11 year old boy and not an adult. Extremely embarrassing behavior.

11 year old TKO’d Karen school admin in the first.Kid should sign with crossing broad.

Agreed.

Just finished intense gc job so haven’t checked here in a bit. But glad I did. Above is what keep you coming back.Kid sounds like a real upper Darby like up and comer, setup and quickly knocked down those Karen trigger pins with ease. Kid bowled a quick 300 and spiked in the end zone on the way out. extremity hats twist was classic internet gold.

Agreed.Kid is definitely Delco gold.

Judging by Karen's derision on the trailer and club lax experience, her kid is not crushing it. Montgo mom been club hopping the kid for years.Same old story.Teams just dont see how good her kid is.Tries the angle to become best friends with good players parents. Weird and doesnt workout. Schemes to become the team mom but nobody cares about the made up position. What should be a fun experience for the kid is now all about her again.

Yall sound like some proud boys. Good on ya.
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Predictions for fall games?
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More of an observation, but I noticed most of the contributors on this board are more concerned about their son getting to the next level (college) then enjoying the game and making friends. An important question to ask is if you are doing all this for you or your son? On the outside, it looks like a very toxic environment that you are creating for your sons.

Unfortunately, I've found that most of the Lacrosse Community is toxic, and it seems to only get worse as you move up the age brackets. Amazing and sad considering how small and niche the sport is in the broader context.

What time are we meeting up for the carpool to the school board vote Karen.Please remember to wear your red hat from the DC march so we match.

Totally Classic! You totally nailed. You win. I wish I could shake your hand in person and hear your musings on life. Maybe I'll head down to your trailer (i bet it's a double wide you lucky dog) and we can discuss the school board vote

Golf clap to pp for breaking Karen into hysterical meltdown in two short sentences.Wherever pp lives,respect.

I can only imagine this is a 11 year old boy and not an adult. Extremely embarrassing behavior.

11 year old TKO’d Karen school admin in the first.Kid should sign with crossing broad.

Agreed.

Just finished intense gc job so haven’t checked here in a bit. But glad I did. Above is what keep you coming back.Kid sounds like a real upper Darby like up and comer, setup and quickly knocked down those Karen trigger pins with ease. Kid bowled a quick 300 and spiked in the end zone on the way out. extremity hats twist was classic internet gold.

Agreed.Kid is definitely Delco gold.

Judging by Karen's derision on the trailer and club lax experience, her kid is not crushing it. Montgo mom been club hopping the kid for years.Same old story.Teams just dont see how good her kid is.Tries the angle to become best friends with good players parents. Weird and doesnt workout. Schemes to become the team mom but nobody cares about the made up position. What should be a fun experience for the kid is now all about her again.

Yall sound like some proud boys. Good on ya.

More like some Andrew Tate wannabe's. Aim for the stars boys!
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More of an observation, but I noticed most of the contributors on this board are more concerned about their son getting to the next level (college) then enjoying the game and making friends. An important question to ask is if you are doing all this for you or your son? On the outside, it looks like a very toxic environment that you are creating for your sons.

Unfortunately, I've found that most of the Lacrosse Community is toxic, and it seems to only get worse as you move up the age brackets. Amazing and sad considering how small and niche the sport is in the broader context.

What time are we meeting up for the carpool to the school board vote Karen.Please remember to wear your red hat from the DC march so we match.


Totally Classic! You totally nailed. You win. I wish I could shake your hand in person and hear your musings on life. Maybe I'll head down to your trailer (i bet it's a double wide you lucky dog) and we can discuss the school board vote

Golf clap to pp for breaking Karen into hysterical meltdown in two short sentences.Wherever pp lives,respect.

I can only imagine this is a 11 year old boy and not an adult. Extremely embarrassing behavior.

11 year old TKO’d Karen school admin in the first.Kid should sign with crossing broad.

Agreed.

Just finished intense gc job so haven’t checked here in a bit. But glad I did. Above is what keep you coming back.Kid sounds like a real upper Darby like up and comer, setup and quickly knocked down those Karen trigger pins with ease. Kid bowled a quick 300 and spiked in the end zone on the way out. extremity hats twist was classic internet gold.

Agreed.Kid is definitely Delco gold.

Judging by Karen's derision on the trailer and club lax experience, her kid is not crushing it. Montgo mom been club hopping the kid for years.Same old story.Teams just dont see how good her kid is.Tries the angle to become best friends with good players parents. Weird and doesnt workout. Schemes to become the team mom but nobody cares about the made up position. What should be a fun experience for the kid is now all about her again.


Have one that brings lunch and snacks to coaches.
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Predictions for fall games?
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More of an observation, but I noticed most of the contributors on this board are more concerned about their son getting to the next level (college) then enjoying the game and making friends. An important question to ask is if you are doing all this for you or your son? On the outside, it looks like a very toxic environment that you are creating for your sons.

Unfortunately, I've found that most of the Lacrosse Community is toxic, and it seems to only get worse as you move up the age brackets. Amazing and sad considering how small and niche the sport is in the broader context.

What time are we meeting up for the carpool to the school board vote Karen.Please remember to wear your red hat from the DC march so we match.

Totally Classic! You totally nailed. You win. I wish I could shake your hand in person and hear your musings on life. Maybe I'll head down to your trailer (i bet it's a double wide you lucky dog) and we can discuss the school board vote

Golf clap to pp for breaking Karen into hysterical meltdown in two short sentences.Wherever pp lives,respect.

I can only imagine this is a 11 year old boy and not an adult. Extremely embarrassing behavior.

11 year old TKO’d Karen school admin in the first.Kid should sign with crossing broad.

Agreed.

Just finished intense gc job so haven’t checked here in a bit. But glad I did. Above is what keep you coming back.Kid sounds like a real upper Darby like up and comer, setup and quickly knocked down those Karen trigger pins with ease. Kid bowled a quick 300 and spiked in the end zone on the way out. extremity hats twist was classic internet gold.

Agreed.Kid is definitely Delco gold.

Judging by Karen's derision on the trailer and club lax experience, her kid is not crushing it. Montgo mom been club hopping the kid for years.Same old story.Teams just dont see how good her kid is.Tries the angle to become best friends with good players parents. Weird and doesnt workout. Schemes to become the team mom but nobody cares about the made up position. What should be a fun experience for the kid is now all about her again.

Yall sound like some proud boys. Good on ya.

More like some Andrew Tate wannabe's. Aim for the stars boys!

Delcotucky at it's finest.
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What measure of bad do you use because from what I can see on Inside Lacrosse (dont care about w/l) the 2025 team did very well where it matters.
Duke: 3
Penn: 2
Cornell: 2
Harvard: 1
Lehigh: 1
Michigan: 1
This means that every school on here trusts the directors and will call them year over year. No college coach is on this board but they are at NLF and they are talking to Directors who they know send them top players year over year.



Curse you NLF for putting out precise college placement statistics.And highlighting 70% of 2025 recruits so far are from NLF teams is just mean.You knew that posting these numbers along with HHH leading the country in placement would only insta trigger a certain rotund short tempered facility compensating director.Accurate facts and figures are not welcome here NLF.You set this place back at least six months.

Not sure all the hubbub. It’s a good thing there is a successful club like HHH delivering the elite local players to the best college programs. Great to see it year in and out. keep it up.
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What measure of bad do you use because from what I can see on Inside Lacrosse (dont care about w/l) the 2025 team did very well where it matters.
Duke: 3
Penn: 2
Cornell: 2
Harvard: 1
Lehigh: 1
Michigan: 1
This means that every school on here trusts the directors and will call them year over year. No college coach is on this board but they are at NLF and they are talking to Directors who they know send them top players year over year.



Curse you NLF for putting out precise college placement statistics.And highlighting 70% of 2025 recruits so far are from NLF teams is just mean.You knew that posting these numbers along with HHH leading the country in placement would only insta trigger a certain rotund short tempered facility compensating director.Accurate facts and figures are not welcome here NLF.You set this place back at least six months.

Not sure all the hubbub. It’s a good thing there is a successful club like HHH delivering the elite local players to the best college programs. Great to see it year in and out. keep it up.


I think it is fantastic what HHH has done with the class of 2025. Fantastic group of players. My question is would these players have met with the same success if they played for another team. I k own a few of the 2025s and these kids are impressive. Does HHH simply showcase better or do they develop talent?
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What measure of bad do you use because from what I can see on Inside Lacrosse (dont care about w/l) the 2025 team did very well where it matters.
Duke: 3
Penn: 2
Cornell: 2
Harvard: 1
Lehigh: 1
Michigan: 1
This means that every school on here trusts the directors and will call them year over year. No college coach is on this board but they are at NLF and they are talking to Directors who they know send them top players year over year.



Curse you NLF for putting out precise college placement statistics.And highlighting 70% of 2025 recruits so far are from NLF teams is just mean.You knew that posting these numbers along with HHH leading the country in placement would only insta trigger a certain rotund short tempered facility compensating director.Accurate facts and figures are not welcome here NLF.You set this place back at least six months.

Not sure all the hubbub. It’s a good thing there is a successful club like HHH delivering the elite local players to the best college programs. Great to see it year in and out. keep it up.


I think it is fantastic what HHH has done with the class of 2025. Fantastic group of players. My question is would these players have met with the same success if they played for another team. I k own a few of the 2025s and these kids are impressive. Does HHH simply showcase better or do they develop talent?

If you knew anything about the team you would know it was together the whole way. Don’t try to put a salty spin on something great. Developed by BM and the other coaches the whole top twenty are recruited. As a longtime parent on the team can speak for the group.We are so thankful for what HH H has done. Think the other writer was making fun of the ten bag of bolts guy. Kept trying to steal our team to rejection every time. Would think sour grapes wouldn’t last so long. And to say it is just 2025 is notIntelligent. Everyone knows HHH gets its players to great schools every year. Satisfied customers for sure. Advice for you, if you talking about someone elses success the whole time what you are offering isn’t that good.
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What measure of bad do you use because from what I can see on Inside Lacrosse (dont care about w/l) the 2025 team did very well where it matters.
Duke: 3
Penn: 2
Cornell: 2
Harvard: 1
Lehigh: 1
Michigan: 1
This means that every school on here trusts the directors and will call them year over year. No college coach is on this board but they are at NLF and they are talking to Directors who they know send them top players year over year.



Curse you NLF for putting out precise college placement statistics.And highlighting 70% of 2025 recruits so far are from NLF teams is just mean.You knew that posting these numbers along with HHH leading the country in placement would only insta trigger a certain rotund short tempered facility compensating director.Accurate facts and figures are not welcome here NLF.You set this place back at least six months.

Not sure all the hubbub. It’s a good thing there is a successful club like HHH delivering the elite local players to the best college programs. Great to see it year in and out. keep it up.


I think it is fantastic what HHH has done with the class of 2025. Fantastic group of players. My question is would these players have met with the same success if they played for another team. I k own a few of the 2025s and these kids are impressive. Does HHH simply showcase better or do they develop talent?

If you knew anything about the team you would know it was together the whole way. Don’t try to put a salty spin on something great. Developed by BM and the other coaches the whole top twenty are recruited. As a longtime parent on the team can speak for the group.We are so thankful for what HH H has done. Think the other writer was making fun of the ten bag of bolts guy. Kept trying to steal our team to rejection every time. Would think sour grapes wouldn’t last so long. And to say it is just 2025 is notIntelligent. Everyone knows HHH gets its players to great schools every year. Satisfied customers for sure. Advice for you, if you talking about someone elses success the whole time what you are offering isn’t that good.

What is wrong with you? I just said the team and players were excellent. I wanted to know if the club developed players or if players gravitated toward the program as it has a proven record of placing players at the top level.

Sour grapes…What type of psycho are you? It’s a lacrosse club, not a religion.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
What measure of bad do you use because from what I can see on Inside Lacrosse (dont care about w/l) the 2025 team did very well where it matters.
Duke: 3
Penn: 2
Cornell: 2
Harvard: 1
Lehigh: 1
Michigan: 1
This means that every school on here trusts the directors and will call them year over year. No college coach is on this board but they are at NLF and they are talking to Directors who they know send them top players year over year.



Curse you NLF for putting out precise college placement statistics.And highlighting 70% of 2025 recruits so far are from NLF teams is just mean.You knew that posting these numbers along with HHH leading the country in placement would only insta trigger a certain rotund short tempered facility compensating director.Accurate facts and figures are not welcome here NLF.You set this place back at least six months.

Not sure all the hubbub. It’s a good thing there is a successful club like HHH delivering the elite local players to the best college programs. Great to see it year in and out. keep it up.


I think it is fantastic what HHH has done with the class of 2025. Fantastic group of players. My question is would these players have met with the same success if they played for another team. I k own a few of the 2025s and these kids are impressive. Does HHH simply showcase better or do they develop talent?

If you knew anything about the team you would know it was together the whole way. Don’t try to put a salty spin on something great. Developed by BM and the other coaches the whole top twenty are recruited. As a longtime parent on the team can speak for the group.We are so thankful for what HH H has done. Think the other writer was making fun of the ten bag of bolts guy. Kept trying to steal our team to rejection every time. Would think sour grapes wouldn’t last so long. And to say it is just 2025 is notIntelligent. Everyone knows HHH gets its players to great schools every year. Satisfied customers for sure. Advice for you, if you talking about someone elses success the whole time what you are offering isn’t that good.

He did the same to our roughriders. Broke apart our 2027s.
HHH defenders are all kissing the point; the 2025 team was hugely successful, congrats Dad! Most of the questions are around their youth programs and their ineptitude. That’s it. No one is questioning the older kids…so relax there, spanky
We all know HHH 2025 is a great team - congrats to all the boys committing. And that their youth teams aren’t very competitive. We have actual games this weekend so can we please move on. What was expected and surprising from the first fall ball games?
2029:

I didn't expect Team 11 to get smoked by Madlax Capital at Mid-Atlantic games. Madlax was small, but fast. Team 11 looked slow and had no answer on defense.

NXT Black barely beat Shore Kaos, but went 3-0 in Mid-Atlantic games (looked like they might be missing some kids from last year).

Fusion Futures handled Next Level, then fell to BBL Black. Fusion Futures might be the only team that can hang with the AA teams in southern MD/NoVA, but will only be able to play in tournaments with more lackadaisical age requirements to field their whole team. Not, sure but think the same might hold true for BBL Black. Actually, regardless of the attempt to level the playing field age-wise, I'd imagine that's the case for most of the elite teams. Although, NL parents swear their big mid-fielder is on age (insert shoulder shrug emoji)

Team Ten has a LONG way to go to play with the elite teams.

No idea what to make of Duke's AA as they handled their business against lesser competition last week. Find out this coming weekend at Fall Brawl when they play Madlax Capital how much work they have to do. Will say looks like Duke's AA has the size/speed on defense to slow down Madlax.

Brotherly Love was supposed to play this weekend, but haven't heard where or against whom.

Didn't pay much attention to what was going on with the "local" Jersey teams.
Where are the youth HHH teams playing this fall?
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2029:

I didn't expect Team 11 to get smoked by Madlax Capital at Mid-Atlantic games. Madlax was small, but fast. Team 11 looked slow and had no answer on defense.

NXT Black barely beat Shore Kaos, but went 3-0 in Mid-Atlantic games (looked like they might be missing some kids from last year).

Fusion Futures handled Next Level, then fell to BBL Black. Fusion Futures might be the only team that can hang with the AA teams in southern MD/NoVA, but will only be able to play in tournaments with more lackadaisical age requirements to field their whole team. Not, sure but think the same might hold true for BBL Black. Actually, regardless of the attempt to level the playing field age-wise, I'd imagine that's the case for most of the elite teams. Although, NL parents swear their big mid-fielder is on age (insert shoulder shrug emoji)

Team Ten has a LONG way to go to play with the elite teams.

No idea what to make of Duke's AA as they handled their business against lesser competition last week. Find out this coming weekend at Fall Brawl when they play Madlax Capital how much work they have to do. Will say looks like Duke's AA has the size/speed on defense to slow down Madlax.

Brotherly Love was supposed to play this weekend, but haven't heard where or against whom.

Didn't pay much attention to what was going on with the "local" Jersey teams.

Agree on most.Live in south jersey so have some of that perspective and philly.

FF looked really good. some kinks to work out but good first show. Could use more depth. Like the coaches.

NXT is getting there.

Team ten guess they dont develop.Youth programs were almost winless from 2032 to 2028.

Dukes is getting their ac t together with the brothers F.

HHH resurgence in in the 2030, 2031, 2032. Older years always good. Best recruiting it seems.

BL all around resurgence but need more coaches.Going to buy Mesa? Might get there.

Jersey Express is getting better. Got new pipelines.

RR does great in youth but get ripped off .

Freedom is really solid and the 2028 is there shiny new toy.

Southshore good for hs access.

Overall with development, tournaments, graduation results think the new order looks something like, HHH, Freedom, BL, Dukes, FF, JE, NXT, TT, T11, RR , Southshore
NXT lost a lot of talent to Duke’s…think the boys wanted to play in the WSYL. That said, NXT still looks strong, we’ll see what the Duke’s are soon.
Fusion Futures is basically a HS team, they should be embarrassed
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2029:

I didn't expect Team 11 to get smoked by Madlax Capital at Mid-Atlantic games. Madlax was small, but fast. Team 11 looked slow and had no answer on defense.

NXT Black barely beat Shore Kaos, but went 3-0 in Mid-Atlantic games (looked like they might be missing some kids from last year).

Fusion Futures handled Next Level, then fell to BBL Black. Fusion Futures might be the only team that can hang with the AA teams in southern MD/NoVA, but will only be able to play in tournaments with more lackadaisical age requirements to field their whole team. Not, sure but think the same might hold true for BBL Black. Actually, regardless of the attempt to level the playing field age-wise, I'd imagine that's the case for most of the elite teams. Although, NL parents swear their big mid-fielder is on age (insert shoulder shrug emoji)

Team Ten has a LONG way to go to play with the elite teams.

No idea what to make of Duke's AA as they handled their business against lesser competition last week. Find out this coming weekend at Fall Brawl when they play Madlax Capital how much work they have to do. Will say looks like Duke's AA has the size/speed on defense to slow down Madlax.

Brotherly Love was supposed to play this weekend, but haven't heard where or against whom.

Didn't pay much attention to what was going on with the "local" Jersey teams.

Agree on most.Live in south jersey so have some of that perspective and philly.

FF looked really good. some kinks to work out but good first show. Could use more depth. Like the coaches.

NXT is getting there.

Team ten guess they dont develop.Youth programs were almost winless from 2032 to 2028.

Dukes is getting their ac t together with the brothers F.

HHH resurgence in in the 2030, 2031, 2032. Older years always good. Best recruiting it seems.

BL all around resurgence but need more coaches.Going to buy Mesa? Might get there.

Jersey Express is getting better. Got new pipelines.

RR does great in youth but get ripped off .

Freedom is really solid and the 2028 is there shiny new toy.

Southshore good for hs access.

Overall with development, tournaments, graduation results think the new order looks something like, HHH, Freedom, BL, Dukes, FF, JE, NXT, TT, T11, RR , Southshore

For the youngest years getting the right coaching and fundamentals who you like best for top 3?
In terms of youth programs, Duke’s Elite is head and shoulders above the rest. Word is, coaches of other clubs are furious they’re stealing/recruiting best players from other clubs but isn’t it their job to retain talent?
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In terms of youth programs, Duke’s Elite is head and shoulders above the rest. Word is, coaches of other clubs are furious they’re stealing/recruiting best players from other clubs but isn’t it their job to retain talent?

Dukes if F bros

Freedom all good

HHH if BM

MESA if MP

BL if AM

Fusion if SH

RR if DC

JE is all good

TT daddys

NXT if MC
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In terms of youth programs, Duke’s Elite is head and shoulders above the rest. Word is, coaches of other clubs are furious they’re stealing/recruiting best players from other clubs but isn’t it their job to retain talent?

OK coach!
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In terms of youth programs, Duke’s Elite is head and shoulders above the rest. Word is, coaches of other clubs are furious they’re stealing/recruiting best players from other clubs but isn’t it their job to retain talent?

OK coach!

HHH is the de facto gold standard of Philadelphia lacrosse. Anybody saying anything different is just posing. What BM does for those kids in his program is truly remarkable.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
In terms of youth programs, Duke’s Elite is head and shoulders above the rest. Word is, coaches of other clubs are furious they’re stealing/recruiting best players from other clubs but isn’t it their job to retain talent?

Dukes if F bros

Freedom all good

HHH if BM

MESA if MP

BL if AM

Fusion if SH

RR if DC

JE is all good

TT daddys

NXT if MC

Can you decipher this for the people who have no idea what you are talking about?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
In terms of youth programs, Duke’s Elite is head and shoulders above the rest. Word is, coaches of other clubs are furious they’re stealing/recruiting best players from other clubs but isn’t it their job to retain talent?

OK coach!

HHH is the de facto gold standard of Philadelphia lacrosse. Anybody saying anything different is just posing. What BM does for those kids in his program is truly remarkable.


There is no doubt that HHH has great 2025 and 2026 teams! On what basis do you conclude they are the gold standard? For PA teams they:

2027 - 19th in state
2028- 24th
2029 - 23rd

It is a great club, but saying there is a gold standard is far fetched. That is not saying another club is the gold standard either.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
In terms of youth programs, Duke’s Elite is head and shoulders above the rest. Word is, coaches of other clubs are furious they’re stealing/recruiting best players from other clubs but isn’t it their job to retain talent?

OK coach!

HHH is the de facto gold standard of Philadelphia lacrosse. Anybody saying anything different is just posing. What BM does for those kids in his program is truly remarkable.


There is no doubt that HHH has great 2025 and 2026 teams! On what basis do you conclude they are the gold standard? For PA teams they:

2027 - 19th in state
2028- 24th
2029 - 23rd

It is a great club, but saying there is a gold standard is far fetched. That is not saying another club is the gold standard either.

On the basis of when it counts to be associated with a quality team. It's shown time and time again that it's the club that student athletes in philly gravitate to get recruited by tier 1 programs. 25 and 26 team are proven ballers at this point. The 2027 team has been revamped and will be ready to roll at the NLF events this summer. The younger teams will grow into the legacy when it counts.

Until other clubs show they payoff the way that HHH does, there just isn't a discussion.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
In terms of youth programs, Duke’s Elite is head and shoulders above the rest. Word is, coaches of other clubs are furious they’re stealing/recruiting best players from other clubs but isn’t it their job to retain talent?

OK coach!

HHH is the de facto gold standard of Philadelphia lacrosse. Anybody saying anything different is just posing. What BM does for those kids in his program is truly remarkable.


There is no doubt that HHH has great 2025 and 2026 teams! On what basis do you conclude they are the gold standard? For PA teams they:

2027 - 19th in state
2028- 24th
2029 - 23rd

It is a great club, but saying there is a gold standard is far fetched. That is not saying another club is the gold standard either.

On the basis of when it counts to be associated with a quality team. It's shown time and time again that it's the club that student athletes in philly gravitate to get recruited by tier 1 programs. 25 and 26 team are proven ballers at this point. The 2027 team has been revamped and will be ready to roll at the NLF events this summer. The younger teams will grow into the legacy when it counts.

Until other clubs show they payoff the way that HHH does, there just isn't a discussion.

If you say so. Three of the five teams for which there is unbiased data indicate that those teams struggle. HHH is therefore the gold standard! Discussion over! HHH wins! All other teams are worthless!
HHH teams from 2026-32 are not good, so BM better start recruiting kids over fast.
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HHH teams from 2026-32 are not good, so BM better start recruiting kids over fast.

they will come... they always do.
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HHH teams from 2026-32 are not good, so BM better start recruiting kids over fast.

they will come... they always do.

Please. Everyone. There is to be no discussion of HHH being anything other than the gold standard!
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HHH teams from 2026-32 are not good, so BM better start recruiting kids over fast.

they will come... they always do.

They are currently all at Team Ten. Don't see any of them leaving.
I propose a change to the thread title: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity, but mostly HHH
There is no gold standard in Philly, no single club dominates others at the majority of ages.
There are 2 key questions for HHH:
Can they improve the youth program and get and keep talented kids from a younger age?
Or
Can they get the top players from other clubs to switch for HS? Will be interesting to see if any Freedom 28s jump to HHH next year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
HHH teams from 2026-32 are not good, so BM better start recruiting kids over fast.

they will come... they always do.

They are currently all at Team Ten. Don't see any of them leaving.

Would not agree. On fall tournament results so far in the 2032, 2031,2030, 2029 2028 ages not sure Team Ten won a game in fall tournaments so far.

HHH has the best high school programs for years. MESA is a close second but there was a fall off after last season. Graduation play to play at the next level shows that. But by the numbers of Us Club Lacrosse the best teams consistently with HHH for best area ranks is HHH, Dukes, Freedom. MESA was also there until recently. MESA youth teams are much better by the numbers. Word is Brotherly Love is also on the rise with big expansions with Dukes and MESA.

In emerging high school and based on fall results Freedom 2028 and Mesa 2028 seem best. In 2027 TeamTen seems best with HHH and Brotherly Love. In 2026 more parity with HHH, Team Ten, Jersey Express, Freedom being about the same level on scores.

In high school it seems like Haverford School is the best with Radnor, Salesianum, Malvern Prep next.Curious what others think.
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I propose a change to the thread title: Main Forum Philadelphia & Vicinity, but mostly HHH

According to the colleges they are sending kids to they should get whatever title they want. For years they have been sending to the best programs. That consistency is good. My nephew played for them. they werent very good in grade school but the practice paid off over the years.Watched how they got better through youth and bloomed in high school when it mattered. Coaches cared.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
HHH teams from 2026-32 are not good, so BM better start recruiting kids over fast.

they will come... they always do.

They are currently all at Team Ten. Don't see any of them leaving.

Would not agree. On fall tournament results so far in the 2032, 2031,2030, 2029 2028 ages not sure Team Ten won a game in fall tournaments so far.

HHH has the best high school programs for years. MESA is a close second but there was a fall off after last season. Graduation play to play at the next level shows that. But by the numbers of Us Club Lacrosse the best teams consistently with HHH for best area ranks is HHH, Dukes, Freedom. MESA was also there until recently. MESA youth teams are much better by the numbers. Word is Brotherly Love is also on the rise with big expansions with Dukes and MESA.

In emerging high school and based on fall results Freedom 2028 and Mesa 2028 seem best. In 2027 TeamTen seems best with HHH and Brotherly Love. In 2026 more parity with HHH, Team Ten, Jersey Express, Freedom being about the same level on scores.

In high school it seems like Haverford School is the best with Radnor, Salesianum, Malvern Prep next.Curious what others think.


US Club lacrosse algorithm is the most accurate ranking system out there. Their rankings accurately reflect what happens on the field

2025 HHH has been the top dog for years. Team Ten has a good team for this year. Forget all that talk about player development. They started with talent. You can’t develop a team with no talent on it.

2026 Tigers had the top team for years, arguably number 1 nationally with their wins over LI Express. Now Team Ten is number 1 in this age group with many previous Tiger players on it. Team Ten is better than Freedom, JE, NXT, Mesa, etc at this age group

2027 Team Ten also has the top team for this age group

2028 Freedom has the top team. Several phenomenal players joined their team fully this year

2029 was NXT but there has been shape up at this age group. A lot of the better players went over to the Futures Team so that is probably the best team at this age group
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
HHH teams from 2026-32 are not good, so BM better start recruiting kids over fast.

they will come... they always do.

They are currently all at Team Ten. Don't see any of them leaving.

Would not agree. On fall tournament results so far in the 2032, 2031,2030, 2029 2028 ages not sure Team Ten won a game in fall tournaments so far.

HHH has the best high school programs for years. MESA is a close second but there was a fall off after last season. Graduation play to play at the next level shows that. But by the numbers of Us Club Lacrosse the best teams consistently with HHH for best area ranks is HHH, Dukes, Freedom. MESA was also there until recently. MESA youth teams are much better by the numbers. Word is Brotherly Love is also on the rise with big expansions with Dukes and MESA.

In emerging high school and based on fall results Freedom 2028 and Mesa 2028 seem best. In 2027 TeamTen seems best with HHH and Brotherly Love. In 2026 more parity with HHH, Team Ten, Jersey Express, Freedom being about the same level on scores.

In high school it seems like Haverford School is the best with Radnor, Salesianum, Malvern Prep next.Curious what others think.


Haverford School will probably be number 1 in the state this coming season. Their defense is loaded, a handful of juniors all going to high end D1 schools (Duke, ND, Penn). Their face off duo is the best FO unit in the country, both players going to two of the best lacrosse schools in the country Duke & UVA. They have several strong offensive players returning, but they lost a lot of their offensive firepower including the Inter-ac MVP. If their offense produces, they will be competing for the number 1 national ranking with McDonogh, Lawrenceville, St Anthony’s, etc. Malvern has a lot of offense talent but they’ve struggled defensively. If they figure it out defensively they will give Haverford School a run for their money. The 2025 classes for both schools are loaded. Radnor or Springfield will probably win the AAA PIAA championship for the public schools. Penncrest is a big sleeper for AA. All of their best players last year were freshman and sophomores.
I agree with the Haverford assessment but I need to disagree about Malvern. They have a very good defense, but may struggle at the faceoff circle against a team like Haverford. It's great to have a "national" champion but I question some of the "northern" teams schedules vs team's schedules from MD and PA. AAA...I would give Springfield the edge over Radnor this year, but not by much. LaSalle and Manheim Twp are always in the hunt. AA....It's Marple Newtown's to lose. They have the most talent by far at that level. Mars will be right there. Rustin lost some players but they have a good program and will be a tough team to play.

If HHH played any of these teams, they would destroy them and the schools would cancel their programs since they are the GOLD standard.
any mid-level HS looking to schedule a mid-level NJ HS the weekend of 4/19? we would come to you! send me a DM.
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I agree with the Haverford assessment but I need to disagree about Malvern. They have a very good defense, but may struggle at the faceoff circle against a team like Haverford. It's great to have a "national" champion but I question some of the "northern" teams schedules vs team's schedules from MD and PA. AAA...I would give Springfield the edge over Radnor this year, but not by much. LaSalle and Manheim Twp are always in the hunt. AA....It's Marple Newtown's to lose. They have the most talent by far at that level. Mars will be right there. Rustin lost some players but they have a good program and will be a tough team to play.

If HHH played any of these teams, they would destroy them and the schools would cancel their programs since they are the GOLD standard.

Watch Malvern's games, you’ll see them getting ran by and disorganized defensively against the top teams. Maybe they will figure it out this year. Their 2026 defensive classes is loaded with talent so I expect them to be strong defensively the next two years if the coaches can get them to play together and play organized. Radnor graduated a lot of talent but bring back a lot of talent. I don’t see Springfield or radnor having an edge at this point. It will be determined on the field. Your assessment of the AA is spot on. Keep an eye on Penncrest though

I don’t know which age group you’re referring to for HHH. The only age group where your statement is correct is 2025
HHH will be fine; kids will migrate over as they approach HS, they always do.
Word is, Duke’s parents unhappy with the new ownership/sale and corporate it has become. Kids will leave, as long as HHH doesn’t sell out as well. Who knows, BM might take the money too
When it comes to youth lacrosse, are any parents ever happy?
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When it comes to youth lacrosse, are any parents ever happy?

you win the internet today. haha
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Word is, Duke’s parents unhappy with the new ownership/sale and corporate it has become.

Interesting...tell us more!
Toxicity all around. Leave the sport if you value your personal relationships.
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Toxicity all around. Leave the sport if you value your personal relationships.

Sorry they just do not like you! The rest of us are just fine.
How many times are you gonna use the word just?
The Big 4-0/HHH boys put in some light work today. Things seem to be right on track and as expected.
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The Big 4-0/HHH boys put in some light work today. Things seem to be right on track and as expected.

Please tell me you aren’t referring to the 27s who basically played rec teams.I wouldn’t be thumping your chest about that one but considering today matched their win total of all of last year I guess I’d be jazzed up too
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The Big 4-0/HHH boys put in some light work today. Things seem to be right on track and as expected.

Way to compete!! Will we see HHH today in Maryland or Delaware next Saturday or Sunday? Calm down or beating up on B teams
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The Big 4-0/HHH boys put in some light work today. Things seem to be right on track and as expected.

Way to compete!! Will we see HHH today in Maryland or Delaware next Saturday or Sunday? Calm down or beating up on B teams

In due time boys, in due time. It's fall ball. The goal is an NLF Championship...they only hand those out at the end of the summer.
Any time a club takes down Headstrong, you gotta beat your chest - huge win for HHH. I mean HUGE!
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The Big 4-0/HHH boys put in some light work today. Things seem to be right on track and as expected.
I am assuming this was the post of a HHH basher. HHH is rebuilding which is why this tournament was selected.
…Doesn’t make it less funny. How long does the building last for a team already in HS?
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…Doesn’t make it less funny. How long does the building last for a team already in HS?

Rebuilding for 9 years is not the Gold standard.
Why all the HHH 27 detest? Can’t we all going back to not liking Team Ten?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Big 4-0/HHH boys put in some light work today. Things seem to be right on track and as expected.
I am assuming this was the post of a HHH basher. HHH is rebuilding which is why this tournament was selected.

Really? Their 25 and 26 teams were also at this tournament. I guess those teams are rebuilding too? Or did they just have to go because the '27's were going and they don't have a proper coaching staff to play at different tourneys on the same weekend?

I'd say they are rebuilding their middle school program. 1 team (combined 29/30, no 28 team). If you want to see what a decline of an organization looks like, this is it. I know the '25s are amazing and all of them are recruited. There is no pipeline.

Maybe the HS program is able to sustain by poaching rising and reclassing 9th graders every year (as they did this year). If so, good for them.
Just don't shell out top tier dollars for their youth/ms program thinking it will lead to recruiting riches is 6 years.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Big 4-0/HHH boys put in some light work today. Things seem to be right on track and as expected.
I am assuming this was the post of a HHH basher. HHH is rebuilding which is why this tournament was selected.

Really? Their 25 and 26 teams were also at this tournament. I guess those teams are rebuilding too? Or did they just have to go because the '27's were going and they don't have a proper coaching staff to play at different tourneys on the same weekend?

I'd say they are rebuilding their middle school program. 1 team (combined 29/30, no 28 team). If you want to see what a decline of an organization looks like, this is it. I know the '25s are amazing and all of them are recruited. There is no pipeline.

Maybe the HS program is able to sustain by poaching rising and reclassing 9th graders every year (as they did this year). If so, good for them.
Just don't shell out top tier dollars for their youth/ms program thinking it will lead to recruiting riches is 6 years.

My bad. I never thought to check to see if those teams also went to that tournament. That's not fun. On the plus side, they did not spend half the day in the car.
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Why all the HHH 27 detest? Can’t we all going back to not liking Team Ten?

It all depends on who has posted the most ridiculous self-serving post most recently. It was Team TEN, but now HHH is the Gold Standard!
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Why all the HHH 27 detest? Can’t we all going back to not liking Team Ten?

Team Ten '27 is currently playing against more NLF competition than HHH. I find that hilarious. I'm thinking HHH doesn't want to give anybody a chance to defect back to team ten over the long cold winter, so keep people guessing at how good they really are. If HHH gets boat raced in the fall, you can be sure those high octane players are going to hear those other teams sweet pillow talk.
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Why all the HHH 27 detest? Can’t we all going back to not liking Team Ten?

Team Ten '27 is currently playing against more NLF competition than HHH. I find that hilarious. I'm thinking HHH doesn't want to give anybody a chance to defect back to team ten over the long cold winter, so keep people guessing at how good they really are. If HHH gets boat raced in the fall, you can be sure those high octane players are going to hear those other teams sweet pillow talk.

Pesky things called facts got you wrong. Just like the 2025 team TT stole all the players from RR. Reason why TT 2028, 2029, 2030, 2031, 2032 were winless at the JackOLantern.No pipe.HHH creates there players and dont steal.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why all the HHH 27 detest? Can’t we all going back to not liking Team Ten?

Team Ten '27 is currently playing against more NLF competition than HHH. I find that hilarious. I'm thinking HHH doesn't want to give anybody a chance to defect back to team ten over the long cold winter, so keep people guessing at how good they really are. If HHH gets boat raced in the fall, you can be sure those high octane players are going to hear those other teams sweet pillow talk.

Pesky things called facts got you wrong. Just like the 2025 team TT stole all the players from RR. Reason why TT 2028, 2029, 2030, 2031, 2032 were winless at the JackOLantern.No pipe.HHH creates there players and dont steal.

No team steals players. Not sure what you are talking about. I don’t really care about 2032 teams. Sorry.
Who's feeling good heading into biggest weekend of the fall? Who's favored to win NAL this weekend in each grad year?
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Who's feeling good heading into biggest weekend of the fall? Who's favored to win NAL this weekend in each grad year?

Biggest weekend of fall is NLF next weekend.
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Who's feeling good heading into biggest weekend of the fall? Who's favored to win NAL this weekend in each grad year?

Biggest weekend of fall is NLF next weekend.

Almost all the NLF teams are at NAL. Minus the Head Heart Hustle teams. Assuming only the â€25s were invited. Looks better from the outside if no teams go, rather that only the good team.
Dukes 28s win NAL…. using players that played for another team during pool play. Stay classy Slick Rick.
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Who's feeling good heading into biggest weekend of the fall? Who's favored to win NAL this weekend in each grad year?

Biggest weekend of fall is NLF next weekend.

Almost all the NLF teams are at NAL. Minus the Head Heart Hustle teams. Assuming only the â€25s were invited. Looks better from the outside if no teams go, rather that only the good team.
We will be sure to keep on eye on the boys next weekend. I’m assuming the HHH teams will be there next weekend. Any other Philly teams heading out next weekend?
Probably not because only one team has the keys to nlf kingdom from Philly
I believe every other NLF founding 6 teams was as NAL. Pretty embarrassing that HHH didn’t get the invite to NAL.
How do you know a Duke’s player came from another team? Disgruntled parents are the worst kind of parents
With teams starting up competing club events, like the alliance league, I wouldn’t be shocked if more clubs start getting invited into the NLF. I know BM likes to keep HHH the only Philly club but, from a business standpoint, not sure how long that can last.
Duke’s caught cheating?? Color me interested…
The High School invitational is next weekend. I assume the best players from the best schools play in that. Very impressive list of schools.
I don't know what did or did not happen with Duke's 28, but does NAL not publish the rules for their tournaments? I was looking for them due to another question I had (not a complaint, just wanted to know ahead of time about tie-breakers and stuff) and couldn't find any tournament rules.
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I don't know what did or did not happen with Duke's 28, but does NAL not publish the rules for their tournaments? I was looking for them due to another question I had (not a complaint, just wanted to know ahead of time about tie-breakers and stuff) and couldn't find any tournament rules.

Usually on Tourney Machine you hit the three little circles and it says More in the bottom right when on tournament and they rules are posted there.
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I don't know what did or did not happen with Duke's 28, but does NAL not publish the rules for their tournaments? I was looking for them due to another question I had (not a complaint, just wanted to know ahead of time about tie-breakers and stuff) and couldn't find any tournament rules.

Usually on Tourney Machine you hit the three little circles and it says More in the bottom right when on tournament and they rules are posted there.
I'm embarrassed by how long I've used that app, and never knew that. TY!
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The High School invitational is next weekend. I assume the best players from the best schools play in that. Very impressive list of schools.

Best freshman and sophomores at the NLF. Best players going to college at High School.
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How do you know a Duke’s player came from another team? Disgruntled parents are the worst kind of parents

Because the players were playing for another Philly-based team, and then showed up on the field for Dukes in championships.
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How do you know a Duke’s player came from another team? Disgruntled parents are the worst kind of parents

Because the players were playing for another Philly-based team, and then showed up on the field for Dukes in championships.

What other philly-based team had their players roll to Duke's for the championship?
There is some truth to this rumor, although not another Philly-based team. I believe someone mentioned Brotherly Love players switching over but that the boys played for Duke’s now and have been since last year. Maybe they did BL a favor?
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There is some truth to this rumor, although not another Philly-based team. I believe someone mentioned Brotherly Love players switching over but that the boys played for Duke’s now and have been since last year. Maybe they did BL a favor?

Either way, you can’t be rostered for two teams at same age bracket in same tournament. Seems pretty bush league.
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The High School invitational is next weekend. I assume the best players from the best schools play in that. Very impressive list of schools.

Best freshman and sophomores at the NLF. Best players going to college at High School.

The NLF is Sunday. High School Invitational is Saturday
Why all the Team Ten detest?
Because they [Censored]
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Why all the Team Ten detest?

Exactly. You can't say they don't develop since this is their very first recruiting class and they have 12 so far going high level D1. You could say they don't have a proven track record yet. Their 25, 26 and 27 groups are all ranked higher than any other PA team. So they are doing something right.
And lets not forget - the kids do way more outside of club practice these days to say anyone club develops more than another.
…and yet the Team Ten 28s are ranked in the 90s, as are the 29s. My son is a 2030 so I can tell you the rankings for that year will be abysmal as well.
So, the question is: do they develop or do they steal/recruit kids from other programs?
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…and yet the Team Ten 28s are ranked in the 90s, as are the 29s. My son is a 2030 so I can tell you the rankings for that year will be abysmal as well.
So, the question is: do they develop or do they steal/recruit kids from other programs?
I think the coaching draws kids to the 27s, 26s and 25s. Not stealing. But in reality development is not in club lacrosse or township lacrosse any more. It is what you do outside. Do you have a trainer? Do you do 1 on 1s with someone weekly? Alot of the development unfortunately is coming that way. Then you hope you have a coach that instills team ball going into high school. A coach that will advocate for all the players who want to go to the next level. Success brings players to your team. Hard to steal/recruit when rosters are closed unless someone leaves.
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Why all the Team Ten detest?

Exactly. You can't say they don't develop since this is their very first recruiting class and they have 12 so far going high level D1. You could say they don't have a proven track record yet. Their 25, 26 and 27 groups are all ranked higher than any other PA team. So they are doing something right.
And lets not forget - the kids do way more outside of club practice these days to say anyone club develops more than another.

JB ease off the morning joe. Getting delusional with misinformation and disinformation. HHH smacked your team around yearly. For a guy that put the D in daddyball comparing your ragtags to 2025 HHH is funny.Them apples is reality. Your team would be lucky to be ranked third in area. Save the excuses for the customers.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why all the Team Ten detest?

Exactly. You can't say they don't develop since this is their very first recruiting class and they have 12 so far going high level D1. You could say they don't have a proven track record yet. Their 25, 26 and 27 groups are all ranked higher than any other PA team. So they are doing something right.
And lets not forget - the kids do way more outside of club practice these days to say anyone club develops more than another.

JB ease off the morning joe. Getting delusional with misinformation and disinformation. HHH smacked your team around yearly. For a guy that put the D in daddyball comparing your ragtags to 2025 HHH is funny.Them apples is reality. Your team would be lucky to be ranked third in area. Save the excuses for the customers.

Yet here they are:

2025 - Team TEN 6 HHH 22
2026 - Team TEN 7 HHH 58
2027 - Team TEN 15 HHH 207
2028 - Team TEN 149 HHH 310
2029 - TEAM TEN 97 HHH 307

Them apples is the ranking reality.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why all the Team Ten detest?

Exactly. You can't say they don't develop since this is their very first recruiting class and they have 12 so far going high level D1. You could say they don't have a proven track record yet. Their 25, 26 and 27 groups are all ranked higher than any other PA team. So they are doing something right.
And lets not forget - the kids do way more outside of club practice these days to say anyone club develops more than another.

JB ease off the morning joe. Getting delusional with misinformation and disinformation. HHH smacked your team around yearly. For a guy that put the D in daddyball comparing your ragtags to 2025 HHH is funny.Them apples is reality. Your team would be lucky to be ranked third in area. Save the excuses for the customers.

oh snap
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why all the Team Ten detest?

Exactly. You can't say they don't develop since this is their very first recruiting class and they have 12 so far going high level D1. You could say they don't have a proven track record yet. Their 25, 26 and 27 groups are all ranked higher than any other PA team. So they are doing something right.
And lets not forget - the kids do way more outside of club practice these days to say anyone club develops more than another.

JB ease off the morning joe. Getting delusional with misinformation and disinformation. HHH smacked your team around yearly. For a guy that put the D in daddyball comparing your ragtags to 2025 HHH is funny.Them apples is reality. Your team would be lucky to be ranked third in area. Save the excuses for the customers.

A good case can be made that Brotherly Love and HHH are the top 2027 local teams. Fall results would say the same.Team10 would come after those teams.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why all the Team Ten detest?

Exactly. You can't say they don't develop since this is their very first recruiting class and they have 12 so far going high level D1. You could say they don't have a proven track record yet. Their 25, 26 and 27 groups are all ranked higher than any other PA team. So they are doing something right.
And lets not forget - the kids do way more outside of club practice these days to say anyone club develops more than another.

JB ease off the morning joe. Getting delusional with misinformation and disinformation. HHH smacked your team around yearly. For a guy that put the D in daddyball comparing your ragtags to 2025 HHH is funny.Them apples is reality. Your team would be lucky to be ranked third in area. Save the excuses for the customers.

Yet here they are:

2025 - Team TEN 6 HHH 22
2026 - Team TEN 7 HHH 58
2027 - Team TEN 15 HHH 207
2028 - Team TEN 149 HHH 310
2029 - TEAM TEN 97 HHH 307

Them apples is the ranking reality.

Hey D in Daddyball…those 25 rankings are fraudulent.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why all the Team Ten detest?

Exactly. You can't say they don't develop since this is their very first recruiting class and they have 12 so far going high level D1. You could say they don't have a proven track record yet. Their 25, 26 and 27 groups are all ranked higher than any other PA team. So they are doing something right.
And lets not forget - the kids do way more outside of club practice these days to say anyone club develops more than another.

JB ease off the morning joe. Getting delusional with misinformation and disinformation. HHH smacked your team around yearly. For a guy that put the D in daddyball comparing your ragtags to 2025 HHH is funny.Them apples is reality. Your team would be lucky to be ranked third in area. Save the excuses for the customers.

A good case can be made that Brotherly Love and HHH are the top 2027 local teams. Fall results would say the same.Team10 would come after those teams.


BL and HHH did not play great competition and have alot of work to do get better. Moughriders Lite (TT) is in the same boat.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why all the Team Ten detest?

Exactly. You can't say they don't develop since this is their very first recruiting class and they have 12 so far going high level D1. You could say they don't have a proven track record yet. Their 25, 26 and 27 groups are all ranked higher than any other PA team. So they are doing something right.
And lets not forget - the kids do way more outside of club practice these days to say anyone club develops more than another.

JB ease off the morning joe. Getting delusional with misinformation and disinformation. HHH smacked your team around yearly. For a guy that put the D in daddyball comparing your ragtags to 2025 HHH is funny.Them apples is reality. Your team would be lucky to be ranked third in area. Save the excuses for the customers.

A good case can be made that Brotherly Love and HHH are the top 2027 local teams. Fall results would say the same.Team10 would come after those teams.

Agreed. These two clubs have built strong 2027 teams over the last few months. NLF tomorrow will be the arrival party for the HHH27’s. Heard it here first.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why all the Team Ten detest?

Exactly. You can't say they don't develop since this is their very first recruiting class and they have 12 so far going high level D1. You could say they don't have a proven track record yet. Their 25, 26 and 27 groups are all ranked higher than any other PA team. So they are doing something right.
And lets not forget - the kids do way more outside of club practice these days to say anyone club develops more than another.

JB ease off the morning joe. Getting delusional with misinformation and disinformation. HHH smacked your team around yearly. For a guy that put the D in daddyball comparing your ragtags to 2025 HHH is funny.Them apples is reality. Your team would be lucky to be ranked third in area. Save the excuses for the customers.

A good case can be made that Brotherly Love and HHH are the top 2027 local teams. Fall results would say the same.Team10 would come after those teams.

Agreed. These two clubs have built strong 2027 teams over the last few months. NLF tomorrow will be the arrival party for the HHH27’s. Heard it here first.

Team 10 2027’s fall was a bit disappointing. A step back for sure. Those that should be at NLF will be at NLF.
Obviously a lot of people are new to club lacrosse if you think anything in the fall is reality. They are play day's and teams are missing kids and most teams play kids evenly. Good luck this summer when your high hopes come crashing down into reality.
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Obviously a lot of people are new to club lacrosse if you think anything in the fall is reality. They are play day's and teams are missing kids and most teams play kids evenly. Good luck this summer when your high hopes come crashing down into reality.

Nah. The kids missing fall tourneys ain’t dogs. Either you are all in or you are out. Clearly the Team 10 kids aren’t all in. Probably dreaming about playing in the big leagues. It’s all good. Maybe next year you can make the jump over.
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Why all the Team Ten detest?

Exactly. You can't say they don't develop since this is their very first recruiting class and they have 12 so far going high level D1. You could say they don't have a proven track record yet. Their 25, 26 and 27 groups are all ranked higher than any other PA team. So they are doing something right.
And lets not forget - the kids do way more outside of club practice these days to say anyone club develops more than another.

JB ease off the morning joe. Getting delusional with misinformation and disinformation. HHH smacked your team around yearly. For a guy that put the D in daddyball comparing your ragtags to 2025 HHH is funny.Them apples is reality. Your team would be lucky to be ranked third in area. Save the excuses for the customers.

Yet here they are:

2025 - Team TEN 6 HHH 22
2026 - Team TEN 7 HHH 58
2027 - Team TEN 15 HHH 207
2028 - Team TEN 149 HHH 310
2029 - TEAM TEN 97 HHH 307

Them apples is the ranking reality.

Hey D in Daddyball…those 25 rankings are fraudulent.

Got it. US Club Lax is fraudulent. Take it from HHH the gold standard.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why all the Team Ten detest?

Exactly. You can't say they don't develop since this is their very first recruiting class and they have 12 so far going high level D1. You could say they don't have a proven track record yet. Their 25, 26 and 27 groups are all ranked higher than any other PA team. So they are doing something right.
And lets not forget - the kids do way more outside of club practice these days to say anyone club develops more than another.

JB ease off the morning joe. Getting delusional with misinformation and disinformation. HHH smacked your team around yearly. For a guy that put the D in daddyball comparing your ragtags to 2025 HHH is funny.Them apples is reality. Your team would be lucky to be ranked third in area. Save the excuses for the customers.

Yet here they are:

2025 - Team TEN 6 HHH 22
2026 - Team TEN 7 HHH 58
2027 - Team TEN 15 HHH 207
2028 - Team TEN 149 HHH 310
2029 - TEAM TEN 97 HHH 307

Them apples is the ranking reality.

Hey D in Daddyball…those 25 rankings are fraudulent.

Got it. US Club Lax is fraudulent. Take it from HHH the gold standard.

Hopefully it’s not too late for your son to make the leap.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why all the Team Ten detest?

Exactly. You can't say they don't develop since this is their very first recruiting class and they have 12 so far going high level D1. You could say they don't have a proven track record yet. Their 25, 26 and 27 groups are all ranked higher than any other PA team. So they are doing something right.
And lets not forget - the kids do way more outside of club practice these days to say anyone club develops more than another.

JB ease off the morning joe. Getting delusional with misinformation and disinformation. HHH smacked your team around yearly. For a guy that put the D in daddyball comparing your ragtags to 2025 HHH is funny.Them apples is reality. Your team would be lucky to be ranked third in area. Save the excuses for the customers.

A good case can be made that Brotherly Love and HHH are the top 2027 local teams. Fall results would say the same.Team10 would come after those teams.

Agreed. These two clubs have built strong 2027 teams over the last few months. NLF tomorrow will be the arrival party for the HHH27’s. Heard it here first.

Team 10 2027’s fall was a bit disappointing. A step back for sure. Those that should be at NLF will be at NLF.

HHH 2027, your really pounding your chest over beating B teams? You lost to Tri-state who beat black bear 4-1. Black bear is a reading area rec team…
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why all the Team Ten detest?

Exactly. You can't say they don't develop since this is their very first recruiting class and they have 12 so far going high level D1. You could say they don't have a proven track record yet. Their 25, 26 and 27 groups are all ranked higher than any other PA team. So they are doing something right.
And lets not forget - the kids do way more outside of club practice these days to say anyone club develops more than another.

JB ease off the morning joe. Getting delusional with misinformation and disinformation. HHH smacked your team around yearly. For a guy that put the D in daddyball comparing your ragtags to 2025 HHH is funny.Them apples is reality. Your team would be lucky to be ranked third in area. Save the excuses for the customers.

Yet here they are:

2025 - Team TEN 6 HHH 22
2026 - Team TEN 7 HHH 58
2027 - Team TEN 15 HHH 207
2028 - Team TEN 149 HHH 310
2029 - TEAM TEN 97 HHH 307

Them apples is the ranking reality.

Hey D in Daddyball…those 25 rankings are fraudulent.

Got it. US Club Lax is fraudulent. Take it from HHH the gold standard.

Dads should stop coaching their sons once they get to High School. Ask any parent on a team coached by a Dad in High School and they’ll gladly share their horror stories.
Pretty good outing today up at the NLF.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Pretty good outing today up at the NLF.

27 Mesa had 1 win …. HHH 0.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Pretty good outing today up at the NLF.
We think that team is better than Team Ten? New roster, same result. They flying anybody in for summer? That is the only way they become relevant.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why all the Team Ten detest?

Exactly. You can't say they don't develop since this is their very first recruiting class and they have 12 so far going high level D1. You could say they don't have a proven track record yet. Their 25, 26 and 27 groups are all ranked higher than any other PA team. So they are doing something right.
And lets not forget - the kids do way more outside of club practice these days to say anyone club develops more than another.

JB ease off the morning joe. Getting delusional with misinformation and disinformation. HHH smacked your team around yearly. For a guy that put the D in daddyball comparing your ragtags to 2025 HHH is funny.Them apples is reality. Your team would be lucky to be ranked third in area. Save the excuses for the customers.

A good case can be made that Brotherly Love and HHH are the top 2027 local teams. Fall results would say the same.Team10 would come after those teams.

Agreed. These two clubs have built strong 2027 teams over the last few months. NLF tomorrow will be the arrival party for the HHH27’s. Heard it here first.

Interesting since HHH 27s were 0-3 at NLF and BL went 1-1-1 at NAL. I would say all 3 of those 27s teams are all in the same boat.
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Pretty good outing today up at the NLF.

For who?
Didn’t seem like best day for PA teams at NLF, 5-13 overall.

HHH
2025 - 0-3 (surprising, were the committed kids playing?
2026 - 2-1
2027 - 0-3 and games not too close

Mesa
2025 - 0-3
2026 - 2-1
2027 - 1-2
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Pretty good outing today up at the NLF.

For who?
HHH 27 is used to losing by 10+ goals at these NLF gatherings. Now they are only losing by about 5 goals. Pretty solid improvement.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Pretty good outing today up at the NLF.

For who?
HHH 27 is used to losing by 10+ goals at these NLF gatherings. Now they are only losing by about 5 goals. Pretty solid improvement.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Didn’t seem like best day for PA teams at NLF, 5-13 overall.

HHH
2025 - 0-3 (surprising, were the committed kids playing?
2026 - 2-1
2027 - 0-3 and games not too close

Mesa
2025 - 0-3
2026 - 2-1
2027 - 1-2

Haverford and EA were in MD for the NHSLS tourney. So that could have affected rosters.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Didn’t seem like best day for PA teams at NLF, 5-13 overall.

HHH
2025 - 0-3 (surprising, were the committed kids playing?
2026 - 2-1
2027 - 0-3 and games not too close

Mesa
2025 - 0-3
2026 - 2-1
2027 - 1-2

Haverford and EA were in MD for the NHSLS tourney. So that could have affected rosters.


Mesa 27 has always done well at the NLF tourneys. From what I’ve heard, a lot of them left Mesa and migrated to HHH. So HHH is doing a lot better than hey have historically done (I.e. they aren’t getting completely demolished, just beat soundly) and mesa is mostly outmatched now.

Why would a group of players leave a solid top 40 team to go to team that has historically been ranked in the 200’s? My guess is that they were sick of being 2nd to Team Ten and ultimately couldn’t make the team Ten roster. So Nice try. The distance between Team Ten and the rest of then 2027 pack just got a lot greater.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Didn’t seem like best day for PA teams at NLF, 5-13 overall.

HHH
2025 - 0-3 (surprising, were the committed kids playing?
2026 - 2-1
2027 - 0-3 and games not too close

Mesa
2025 - 0-3
2026 - 2-1
2027 - 1-2

Haverford and EA were in MD for the NHSLS tourney. So that could have affected rosters.
Why would anybody be concerned with the HHH2025’s going 0-3? Half the team is already committed.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Didn’t seem like best day for PA teams at NLF, 5-13 overall.

HHH
2025 - 0-3 (surprising, were the committed kids playing?
2026 - 2-1
2027 - 0-3 and games not too close

Mesa
2025 - 0-3
2026 - 2-1
2027 - 1-2

Haverford and EA were in MD for the NHSLS tourney. So that could have affected rosters.
Why would anybody be concerned with the HHH2025’s going 0-3? Half the team is already committed.

The only person concerned is the clown from HHH who was ripping Team TEN under a similar circumstance. Fall ball does not matter at all for the 2025. It matters little for the 2026's and 2027.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why all the Team Ten detest?

Exactly. You can't say they don't develop since this is their very first recruiting class and they have 12 so far going high level D1. You could say they don't have a proven track record yet. Their 25, 26 and 27 groups are all ranked higher than any other PA team. So they are doing something right.
And lets not forget - the kids do way more outside of club practice these days to say anyone club develops more than another.

JB ease off the morning joe. Getting delusional with misinformation and disinformation. HHH smacked your team around yearly. For a guy that put the D in daddyball comparing your ragtags to 2025 HHH is funny.Them apples is reality. Your team would be lucky to be ranked third in area. Save the excuses for the customers.

A good case can be made that Brotherly Love and HHH are the top 2027 local teams. Fall results would say the same.Team10 would come after those teams.

Agreed. These two clubs have built strong 2027 teams over the last few months. NLF tomorrow will be the arrival party for the HHH27’s. Heard it here first.

This didn't age well.
First timer at the NXT Philly Fall Invitational at the United Sports facility in Downington, this past weekend.

The field (grass and turf) conditions were excellent and it was a well-run tournament, however, I’m guessing the price to play at the facility requires a $10 parking fee?!?

Also, you were required to pay the fee on your own accord via an App.

Well, I was like the majority of people that didn’t pay and a parking ticket was left on my window. The ticket had a picture of my plate and the fine was now $50 and there was a risk of being towed.

Has there ever been any reported instances of returning to Untied Sports and being required to pay/or has a car been towed?
densest take ever. Going to knock kids who are multi sport and playing real competition in the fall with more on the line then fall ball trophies
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First timer at the NXT Philly Fall Invitational at the United Sports facility in Downington, this past weekend.

The field (grass and turf) conditions were excellent and it was a well-run tournament, however, I’m guessing the price to play at the facility requires a $10 parking fee?!?

Also, you were required to pay the fee on your own accord via an App.

Well, I was like the majority of people that didn’t pay and a parking ticket was left on my window. The ticket had a picture of my plate and the fine was now $50 and there was a risk of being towed.

Has there ever been any reported instances of returning to Untied Sports and being required to pay/or has a car been towed?

Guess you have never played at the DE Turf Complex. They require paying to park and most tourney's are two days. You have to pay each day. yes, tickets and yes threat of towing. They allow you to use the Park Mobile app or you can pay via Venmo when you walk in. Not new.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Didn’t seem like best day for PA teams at NLF, 5-13 overall.

HHH
2025 - 0-3 (surprising, were the committed kids playing?
2026 - 2-1
2027 - 0-3 and games not too close

Mesa
2025 - 0-3
2026 - 2-1
2027 - 1-2

Haverford and EA were in MD for the NHSLS tourney. So that could have affected rosters.


Mesa 27 has always done well at the NLF tourneys. From what I’ve heard, a lot of them left Mesa and migrated to HHH. So HHH is doing a lot better than hey have historically done (I.e. they aren’t getting completely demolished, just beat soundly) and mesa is mostly outmatched now.

Why would a group of players leave a solid top 40 team to go to team that has historically been ranked in the 200’s? My guess is that they were sick of being 2nd to Team Ten and ultimately couldn’t make the team Ten roster. So Nice try. The distance between Team Ten and the rest of then 2027 pack just got a lot greater.

On a relative scale hhh 2027 did much better than teamten this fall.there is still a lot of 2027 to come.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Didn’t seem like best day for PA teams at NLF, 5-13 overall.

HHH
2025 - 0-3 (surprising, were the committed kids playing?
2026 - 2-1
2027 - 0-3 and games not too close

Mesa
2025 - 0-3
2026 - 2-1
2027 - 1-2

Haverford and EA were in MD for the NHSLS tourney. So that could have affected rosters.


Mesa 27 has always done well at the NLF tourneys. From what I’ve heard, a lot of them left Mesa and migrated to HHH. So HHH is doing a lot better than hey have historically done (I.e. they aren’t getting completely demolished, just beat soundly) and mesa is mostly outmatched now.

Why would a group of players leave a solid top 40 team to go to team that has historically been ranked in the 200’s? My guess is that they were sick of being 2nd to Team Ten and ultimately couldn’t make the team Ten roster. So Nice try. The distance between Team Ten and the rest of then 2027 pack just got a lot greater.

Team TEN, Brotherly Love and HHH all got a lot better from the exodus from Mesa 27. Brotherly Love picked up some great players from Team TEN. Mesa 27 has had plenty of kids who could have made Team TEN and vice versa. Why did they leave Mesa? Maybe, sometimes the customer does not mind "daddyball". Team TEN 27 and Mesa 27, have historically been well served by dad coaches. I believe for high school it is probably best that it ends, but they did a great job with their teams.
Slow down
There is also “daddyball” at 26 and 27 brotherly love
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Slow down
There is also “daddyball” at 26 and 27 brotherly love

I am not complaining about "daddyball". I suspect most (not all) of the parents on Mesa and Team TEN 2027 were reasonably comfortable with daddyball. I know I was. I suspect the sons will be better served by someone other than their father being their coach when in comes to recruiting. I could be wrong.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Didn’t seem like best day for PA teams at NLF, 5-13 overall.

HHH
2025 - 0-3 (surprising, were the committed kids playing?
2026 - 2-1
2027 - 0-3 and games not too close

Mesa
2025 - 0-3
2026 - 2-1
2027 - 1-2

Haverford and EA were in MD for the NHSLS tourney. So that could have affected rosters.


Mesa 27 has always done well at the NLF tourneys. From what I’ve heard, a lot of them left Mesa and migrated to HHH. So HHH is doing a lot better than hey have historically done (I.e. they aren’t getting completely demolished, just beat soundly) and mesa is mostly outmatched now.

Why would a group of players leave a solid top 40 team to go to team that has historically been ranked in the 200’s? My guess is that they were sick of being 2nd to Team Ten and ultimately couldn’t make the team Ten roster. So Nice try. The distance between Team Ten and the rest of then 2027 pack just got a lot greater.

On a relative scale hhh 2027 did much better than teamten this fall.there is still a lot of 2027 to come.
Totally agree. Things are looking up for HHH27. I’m sure BM will get all those kids recruited just like the 25’s.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
First timer at the NXT Philly Fall Invitational at the United Sports facility in Downington, this past weekend.

The field (grass and turf) conditions were excellent and it was a well-run tournament, however, I’m guessing the price to play at the facility requires a $10 parking fee?!?

Also, you were required to pay the fee on your own accord via an App.

Well, I was like the majority of people that didn’t pay and a parking ticket was left on my window. The ticket had a picture of my plate and the fine was now $50 and there was a risk of being towed.

Has there ever been any reported instances of returning to Untied Sports and being required to pay/or has a car been towed?

Who is going to enforce that ticket? Not the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. It is a fake ticket to get you to pay.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
First timer at the NXT Philly Fall Invitational at the United Sports facility in Downington, this past weekend.

The field (grass and turf) conditions were excellent and it was a well-run tournament, however, I’m guessing the price to play at the facility requires a $10 parking fee?!?

Also, you were required to pay the fee on your own accord via an App.

Well, I was like the majority of people that didn’t pay and a parking ticket was left on my window. The ticket had a picture of my plate and the fine was now $50 and there was a risk of being towed.

Has there ever been any reported instances of returning to Untied Sports and being required to pay/or has a car been towed?

Who is going to enforce that ticket? Not the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. It is a fake ticket to get you to pay.

I would pay the ticket and I also have business opportunity for you with Prince Akeem from Zamunda email me at deeznutz$66@gmail.com
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Didn’t seem like best day for PA teams at NLF, 5-13 overall.

HHH
2025 - 0-3 (surprising, were the committed kids playing?
2026 - 2-1
2027 - 0-3 and games not too close

Mesa
2025 - 0-3
2026 - 2-1
2027 - 1-2

Posting records from fall lacrosse is irrelevant especially for 2025’s. Team 10 missing lots of players at NAL they had multiple 26’s swing up. HHH at NLF missing countless players to high school tourneys and other conflicts.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Didn’t seem like best day for PA teams at NLF, 5-13 overall.

HHH
2025 - 0-3 (surprising, were the committed kids playing?
2026 - 2-1
2027 - 0-3 and games not too close

Mesa
2025 - 0-3
2026 - 2-1
2027 - 1-2

Posting records from fall lacrosse is irrelevant especially for 2025’s. Team 10 missing lots of players at NAL they had multiple 26’s swing up. HHH at NLF missing countless players to high school tourneys and other conflicts.

In the 2027 age group, Team Ten and HHH are the only nationally relevant teams in the Philadelphia area. When your program encourages elite multi-sport athletes to pursue their passions, you may loss a few meaningless games in the fall. These two teams aren't built for fall wins, they are built for wins in late July.
I believe we'll see both of these teams ranked in the top 20 nationally by the end of July, so everybody can stop the worrying.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Didn’t seem like best day for PA teams at NLF, 5-13 overall.

HHH
2025 - 0-3 (surprising, were the committed kids playing?
2026 - 2-1
2027 - 0-3 and games not too close

Mesa
2025 - 0-3
2026 - 2-1
2027 - 1-2

Posting records from fall lacrosse is irrelevant especially for 2025’s. Team 10 missing lots of players at NAL they had multiple 26’s swing up. HHH at NLF missing countless players to high school tourneys and other conflicts.

In the 2027 age group, Team Ten and HHH are the only nationally relevant teams in the Philadelphia area. When your program encourages elite multi-sport athletes to pursue their passions, you may loss a few meaningless games in the fall. These two teams aren't built for fall wins, they are built for wins in late July.
I believe we'll see both of these teams ranked in the top 20 nationally by the end of July, so everybody can stop the worrying.

Team TEN and HHH are going to do well. I will be very surprised if Team TEN doesn't take the top spot locally. I would not be surprised if Brotherly Love takes the second spot for the 2027's. All three of these teams picked up some great players! The Philadelphia area has some incredible lacrosse players and teams. Freedom 2028 are also awesome. Maybe these teams can steel their players to improve their respective 2028 teams.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Didn’t seem like best day for PA teams at NLF, 5-13 overall.

HHH
2025 - 0-3 (surprising, were the committed kids playing?
2026 - 2-1
2027 - 0-3 and games not too close

Mesa
2025 - 0-3
2026 - 2-1
2027 - 1-2

Posting records from fall lacrosse is irrelevant especially for 2025’s. Team 10 missing lots of players at NAL they had multiple 26’s swing up. HHH at NLF missing countless players to high school tourneys and other conflicts.

Interesting that those two teams were the only ones missing players and that everything is irrelevant because of that. I guess no other team in the country has multi sport athletes and always fields a full team. Very interesting...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Slow down
There is also “daddyball” at 26 and 27 brotherly love

You have no idea what you are talking about
Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!

Be thankful if your son is on Team Ten or HHH. These two clubs will deliver on your D1 dreams. Everyone else, time to start thinking of switching to tennis or baseball.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!

Be thankful if your son is on Team Ten or HHH. These two clubs will deliver on your D1 dreams. Everyone else, time to start thinking of switching to tennis or baseball.


This guy probably spatchcocks his turkey
Rankings for fall are out, some surprises across the grad years. No surprise as it looks like the Philly area is well represented, keep it going boys!
Yep play some b level competition and see rankings rise
Hmm NLF teams…
Yep play some b level competition and see rankings rise
Hmm NLF teams…
Yep play some b level competition and see rankings rise
Hmm NLF teams…
You can say that again
All good at HHH.
31st ranked 25’s are well over 50% committed to blue chip programs.

23rd ranked 26’s are rolling as are the 39th ranked 27’s.

Once again, showing the premier high school destination in Philadelphia is Big 4 HHH. Let’s go boys!!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Didn’t seem like best day for PA teams at NLF, 5-13 overall.

HHH
2025 - 0-3 (surprising, were the committed kids playing?
2026 - 2-1
2027 - 0-3 and games not too close

Mesa
2025 - 0-3
2026 - 2-1
2027 - 1-2

Posting records from fall lacrosse is irrelevant especially for 2025’s. Team 10 missing lots of players at NAL they had multiple 26’s swing up. HHH at NLF missing countless players to high school tourneys and other conflicts.

Interesting that those two teams were the only ones missing players and that everything is irrelevant because of that. I guess no other team in the country has multi sport athletes and always fields a full team. Very interesting...

You just validated his point & said the quiet part out loud. Every team is missing players so it’s meaningless to compare based upon results.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Didn’t seem like best day for PA teams at NLF, 5-13 overall.

HHH
2025 - 0-3 (surprising, were the committed kids playing?
2026 - 2-1
2027 - 0-3 and games not too close

Mesa
2025 - 0-3
2026 - 2-1
2027 - 1-2

Posting records from fall lacrosse is irrelevant especially for 2025’s. Team 10 missing lots of players at NAL they had multiple 26’s swing up. HHH at NLF missing countless players to high school tourneys and other conflicts.

Interesting that those two teams were the only ones missing players and that everything is irrelevant because of that. I guess no other team in the country has multi sport athletes and always fields a full team. Very interesting...

You just validated his point & said the quiet part out loud. Every team is missing players so it’s meaningless to compare based upon results.


If all teams are missing kids, then it’s pretty even, so would still be a measure of the team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All good at HHH.
31st ranked 25’s are well over 50% committed to blue chip programs.

23rd ranked 26’s are rolling as are the 39th ranked 27’s.

Once again, showing the premier high school destination in Philadelphia is Big 4 HHH. Let’s go boys!!

I don't think you understand what the word "premier" means. Third and fourth place is not a compelling argument for premier status. That is not to say HHH is not a great club. They are definitely a great club. It seems like your insecurities are making you prone to hyperbole.
numbers speak for themselves. Take what you want from them. Philadelphia lacrosse is transitioning into a real hotbed all around. Enjoy the upcoming holiday season fellas. Spring is only a few short months away.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All good at HHH.
31st ranked 25’s are well over 50% committed to blue chip programs.

23rd ranked 26’s are rolling as are the 39th ranked 27’s.

Once again, showing the premier high school destination in Philadelphia is Big 4 HHH. Let’s go boys!!

I don't think you understand what the word "premier" means. Third and fourth place is not a compelling argument for premier status. That is not to say HHH is not a great club. They are definitely a great club. It seems like your insecurities are making you prone to hyperbole.

Maybe they are referring to the college placement by HHH? Not the writer, but HHH college placement track record is premier. If you disagree that is fine. Just tell us what great program you have in stealth that is better on college placement, development, and worthy of your disparagement of HHH.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
numbers speak for themselves. Take what you want from them. Philadelphia lacrosse is transitioning into a real hotbed all around. Enjoy the upcoming holiday season fellas. Spring is only a few short months away.


Philadelphia is already a lacrosse hotbed and has been for many years. Haverford School has had several undefeated teams. Malvern has had some extraordinary years. Conestoga has had some extraordinary years. La Salle has had some extraordinary years. Radnor is arguable the top public lacrosse team in the nation recently. Look at the all american underclassman games. Philadelphia teams won every age group this past summer except for the 2026 class where they lost in the championship game after going undefeated in all the games prior. They made the championship game while missing arguable the top 2026 player in the nation who was out with an injury for the entire tournament.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All good at HHH.
31st ranked 25’s are well over 50% committed to blue chip programs.

23rd ranked 26’s are rolling as are the 39th ranked 27’s.

Once again, showing the premier high school destination in Philadelphia is Big 4 HHH. Let’s go boys!!

I don't think you understand what the word "premier" means. Third and fourth place is not a compelling argument for premier status. That is not to say HHH is not a great club. They are definitely a great club. It seems like your insecurities are making you prone to hyperbole.

Maybe they are referring to the college placement by HHH? Not the writer, but HHH college placement track record is premier. If you disagree that is fine. Just tell us what great program you have in stealth that is better on college placement, development, and worthy of your disparagement of HHH.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All good at HHH.
31st ranked 25’s are well over 50% committed to blue chip programs.

23rd ranked 26’s are rolling as are the 39th ranked 27’s.

Once again, showing the premier high school destination in Philadelphia is Big 4 HHH. Let’s go boys!!

I don't think you understand what the word "premier" means. Third and fourth place is not a compelling argument for premier status. That is not to say HHH is not a great club. They are definitely a great club. It seems like your insecurities are making you prone to hyperbole.

Maybe they are referring to the college placement by HHH? Not the writer, but HHH college placement track record is premier. If you disagree that is fine. Just tell us what great program you have in stealth that is better on college placement, development, and worthy of your disparagement of HHH.

Why so defensive? There was nothing disparaging in my remark. In fact, I acknowledged and believe that HHH is a great club. The 2025's have killed it in recruiting, which is what really matters. If he argued that HHH 2025 was the "premier" club based on recruiting, that is certainly a legitimate argument. He jumped the shark and based his comments on being the "premier high school destination" on club rankings for the 26s and 27s. Considering HHH trails Team TEN and Mesa for the 2026s and Team TEN and Brotherly Love for the 2027s, don't you think the statement is going too far? Historically Mesa and Brotherly Love have done well with college placement. Team TEN only has one team to be eligible for recruiting and has done very well.
If BM is so talented, and I’m not saying he isn’t, but why does GA [Censored] at lacrosse? There are so many schools in the area w top-notch programs, the North area has had huge success in township - why can’t BM make GA a success? Does he focus on HHH and not his school’s team?
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If BM is so talented, and I’m not saying he isn’t, but why does GA [Censored] at lacrosse? There are so many schools in the area w top-notch programs, the North area has had huge success in township - why can’t BM make GA a success? Does he focus on HHH and not his school’s team?

This is a softball question. He doesn't focus on either organization. He is 100% reliant on talented players showing up on his doorstep in high school to get recruited. If you are talented, he has the connections to get it done. If you aren't top tier talent, he's not going to transform you into top tier talent. He's not a miracle worker and he is not a saint (quite the opposite from what I've heard).
Talent goes to HHH based on it's reputation alone.
Talent does not go to GA. Does he try to improve the team or recruit players to the school. Clearly not.

Does he have a great sneaker collection? heck yes he does.
Does he have a great flat brimmed hat collection? You know he does.
Does he get the job done at HHH? Yes
Does he get the job done at GA? No

Does any of this matter? Probably not. Thanks for reading until the end.
Astute observation. Perhaps because players arrive at HHH with their talents already and are being shaped primarily by other influences that are not BM. I would love to see an experiment in which those HHH kids play somewhere else with the equivalent reputation and see what happens. However, that’s impossible because of all the status/reputational exclusive nature of the lacrosse world. There is no open, unbiased opportunity. There are great players everywhere but very limited opportunities created by design by those who have influence and then everyone believes it is only the very best who make it to D1 or get recruited or make certain club teams. When in reality there are a ton of players who are just as good but are never given the opportunity. Just like when D3 players transfer to D1 schools and are fantastic. Or D3 players are in the PLL and are great. Let’s not believe that lacrosse is a meritocracy.
Any surprises in the end-of-fall rankings? Seems like the usual suspects up top at 2025, 2026, and 2027 (with Brotherly Love being added here).

2028 Freedom and Dukes very close at 12 and 14 in the country.

2029 Future at 4 and next Philly team is Dukes at 15.

2030 Dukes at 6 and Dawgs at 16.
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Didn’t seem like best day for PA teams at NLF, 5-13 overall.

HHH
2025 - 0-3 (surprising, were the committed kids playing?
2026 - 2-1
2027 - 0-3 and games not too close

Mesa
2025 - 0-3
2026 - 2-1
2027 - 1-2

Posting records from fall lacrosse is irrelevant especially for 2025’s. Team 10 missing lots of players at NAL they had multiple 26’s swing up. HHH at NLF missing countless players to high school tourneys and other conflicts.

Interesting that those two teams were the only ones missing players and that everything is irrelevant because of that. I guess no other team in the country has multi sport athletes and always fields a full team. Very interesting...

You just validated his point & said the quiet part out loud. Every team is missing players so it’s meaningless to compare based upon results.


If all teams are missing kids, then it’s pretty even, so would still be a measure of the team.

you can't possibly be that dense.
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Any surprises in the end-of-fall rankings? Seems like the usual suspects up top at 2025, 2026, and 2027 (with Brotherly Love being added here).

2028 Freedom and Dukes very close at 12 and 14 in the country.

2029 Future at 4 and next Philly team is Dukes at 15.

2030 Dukes at 6 and Dawgs at 16.

That is really good news… the pipeline to HHH will be strong for a few more years.

Seriously, how will Duke’s protect its roster from being drawn to the NLF? Hopefully they have a plan because they will need it.
Dukes now part of the A.L.L. thru BPG
The Duke’s/Forster Bros figured it out, from a youth standpoint. That 2030 team is stacked, as is their 28s. Because of their success, kids came flocking for the 29 team, which was nothing special until this year (right before World Series). The 28s were strong and got stronger.
The 2030 team basically recruited every top kid at that age, they’re gonna make serious noise (until the kids realize there’s only 1 ball and they leave post-World Series)
Normally, I’d say an organization like the ALL fails against the NLF but the teams/clubs involved are impressive. It will take a few years but I think it can really compete…maybe the NLF tries to buy/recruit some of the teams?
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Dukes now part of the A.L.L. thru BPG

What is the A.L.L.? I'm assuming it's some sort of competitor to the NLF?? If that is the case, who is in it? And is there any way it would actually draw kids away from the NLF (please tell me how).
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The Duke’s/Forster Bros figured it out, from a youth standpoint. That 2030 team is stacked, as is their 28s. Because of their success, kids came flocking for the 29 team, which was nothing special until this year (right before World Series). The 28s were strong and got stronger.
The 2030 team basically recruited every top kid at that age, they’re gonna make serious noise (until the kids realize there’s only 1 ball and they leave post-World Series)

Kids will start leaving on their own as they realize they are replaceable. No kid loyalty. They will continue to recruit and bring kids on rather than developing the kids and creating a sense of team. They did it with last years teams. HHH 2025 worked because the coach stayed with them through middle school and high school and the kids wanted to play together. That is how you develop a good team.
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Normally, I’d say an organization like the ALL fails against the NLF but the teams/clubs involved are impressive. It will take a few years but I think it can really compete…maybe the NLF tries to buy/recruit some of the teams?

The ALL already has teams that were affiliates of the NFL and left for the ALL.
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Normally, I’d say an organization like the ALL fails against the NLF but the teams/clubs involved are impressive. It will take a few years but I think it can really compete…maybe the NLF tries to buy/recruit some of the teams?

The ALL already has teams that were affiliates of the NFL and left for the ALL.

What teams are in the ALL? I can't find any information on the google machine.
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Normally, I’d say an organization like the ALL fails against the NLF but the teams/clubs involved are impressive. It will take a few years but I think it can really compete…maybe the NLF tries to buy/recruit some of the teams?

The ALL already has teams that were affiliates of the NFL and left for the ALL.

What teams are in the ALL? I can't find any information on the google machine.

It is the "ALL Summer Championship". I believe it is sponsored by US Club Lax National Championship. Selection is based on the top 16 teams in each grade group in the country as ranked by US Club Lax. Think NLF without the ability to exclude stronger teams.
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Normally, I’d say an organization like the ALL fails against the NLF but the teams/clubs involved are impressive. It will take a few years but I think it can really compete…maybe the NLF tries to buy/recruit some of the teams?

The ALL already has teams that were affiliates of the NFL and left for the ALL.

What teams are in the ALL? I can't find any information on the google machine.

It is the "ALL Summer Championship". I believe it is sponsored by US Club Lax National Championship. Selection is based on the top 16 teams in each grade group in the country as ranked by US Club Lax. Think NLF without the ability to exclude stronger teams.

Oh..so it's just a tournament? You guys made it sound like it was some sort of affiliation that Dukes did something to belong to. If it's just the top 16 teams, then I suppose all the other philly teams can play in it assuming they meet the ranking requirement?

I guess NLF teams are eligible as well, but maybe they will elect to not acknowledge it?
Is this more for Youth Teams?

Is this the tourney that is in mid august?
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Normally, I’d say an organization like the ALL fails against the NLF but the teams/clubs involved are impressive. It will take a few years but I think it can really compete…maybe the NLF tries to buy/recruit some of the teams?

The ALL already has teams that were affiliates of the NFL and left for the ALL.

What teams are in the ALL? I can't find any information on the google machine.

It is the "ALL Summer Championship". I believe it is sponsored by US Club Lax National Championship. Selection is based on the top 16 teams in each grade group in the country as ranked by US Club Lax. Think NLF without the ability to exclude stronger teams.

Not true. The ALL is now like NFL. They have founding teams and affiliate teams. They will start having tournaments themselves moving forward. They have a Summer Championship for now.

US Club National Championship is separate from ALL and is run by US Club lax and their rankings. NLF teams will be able to quality the question will be will they participate since it is a non-NLF Championship. I believe HHH is the only club that adheres to that.
What exactly is BPG Nationals? I know BPG sports bought Dukes but BPG Nationals looks like it is all the Dukes coaches. Will they being changing names or are the planning on having a National team outside of Dukes? They are running a Mini Camp? For what purpose? Any involved?
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Normally, I’d say an organization like the ALL fails against the NLF but the teams/clubs involved are impressive. It will take a few years but I think it can really compete…maybe the NLF tries to buy/recruit some of the teams?

The ALL already has teams that were affiliates of the NFL and left for the ALL.

What teams are in the ALL? I can't find any information on the google machine.

It is the "ALL Summer Championship". I believe it is sponsored by US Club Lax National Championship. Selection is based on the top 16 teams in each grade group in the country as ranked by US Club Lax. Think NLF without the ability to exclude stronger teams.

Not true. The ALL is now like NFL. They have founding teams and affiliate teams. They will start having tournaments themselves moving forward. They have a Summer Championship for now.

US Club National Championship is separate from ALL and is run by US Club lax and their rankings. NLF teams will be able to quality the question will be will they participate since it is a non-NLF Championship. I believe HHH is the only club that adheres to that.

ALL = The Alliance Lacrosse League

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What exactly is BPG Nationals? I know BPG sports bought Dukes but BPG Nationals looks like it is all the Dukes coaches. Will they being changing names or are the planning on having a National team outside of Dukes? They are running a Mini Camp? For what purpose? Any involved?

BPG is a national team outside of Duke's and Brotherly Love (both under BPG Lacrosse). They are currently in the Circuit and session II is in December, thus the mini camp. So far the experience is just alright. The coaching is excellent. Hopefully the talent comes. We shall see. Not impressed with the Circuit in the least. So if that's the big selling point next year, we might not be returning.
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Didn’t seem like best day for PA teams at NLF, 5-13 overall.

HHH
2025 - 0-3 (surprising, were the committed kids playing?
2026 - 2-1
2027 - 0-3 and games not too close

Mesa
2025 - 0-3
2026 - 2-1
2027 - 1-2

Posting records from fall lacrosse is irrelevant especially for 2025’s. Team 10 missing lots of players at NAL they had multiple 26’s swing up. HHH at NLF missing countless players to high school tourneys and other conflicts.

Interesting that those two teams were the only ones missing players and that everything is irrelevant because of that. I guess no other team in the country has multi sport athletes and always fields a full team. Very interesting...

You just validated his point & said the quiet part out loud. Every team is missing players so it’s meaningless to compare based upon results.


If all teams are missing kids, then it’s pretty even, so would still be a measure of the team.

you can't possibly be that dense.

Sorry you missed out on logic and reasoning, unless you’re saying teams are not good without one or two of their players. If so that would be an indictment of a program’s overall development.
The Alliance Lacrosse League
Founding members: 3d New England, BBL, Mad Dog, Next Level, SweetLax
Partners: BPG (BL, Dukes), Legacy, Shore2Shore,2Way, Team Ten

seems pretty legit to me. Good that there will be some competition to the NLF.

Are these Leagues/Federations good for club lacrosse? it's all getting very corporate.
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Normally, I’d say an organization like the ALL fails against the NLF but the teams/clubs involved are impressive. It will take a few years but I think it can really compete…maybe the NLF tries to buy/recruit some of the teams?

The ALL already has teams that were affiliates of the NFL and left for the ALL.

What teams are in the ALL? I can't find any information on the google machine.

It is the "ALL Summer Championship". I believe it is sponsored by US Club Lax National Championship. Selection is based on the top 16 teams in each grade group in the country as ranked by US Club Lax. Think NLF without the ability to exclude stronger teams.

Not true. The ALL is now like NFL. They have founding teams and affiliate teams. They will start having tournaments themselves moving forward. They have a Summer Championship for now.

US Club National Championship is separate from ALL and is run by US Club lax and their rankings. NLF teams will be able to quality the question will be will they participate since it is a non-NLF Championship. I believe HHH is the only club that adheres to that.

ALL = The Alliance Lacrosse League

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What exactly is BPG Nationals? I know BPG sports bought Dukes but BPG Nationals looks like it is all the Dukes coaches. Will they being changing names or are the planning on having a National team outside of Dukes? They are running a Mini Camp? For what purpose? Any involved?

BPG is a national team outside of Duke's and Brotherly Love (both under BPG Lacrosse). They are currently in the Circuit and session II is in December, thus the mini camp. So far the experience is just alright. The coaching is excellent. Hopefully the talent comes. We shall see. Not impressed with the Circuit in the least. So if that's the big selling point next year, we might not be returning.

Got it. So this replaced Premier National then. We were on that team but only did one tourney with them. Was asked back for Naptown but declined since my son was already going with his club team.
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Normally, I’d say an organization like the ALL fails against the NLF but the teams/clubs involved are impressive. It will take a few years but I think it can really compete…maybe the NLF tries to buy/recruit some of the teams?

The ALL already has teams that were affiliates of the NFL and left for the ALL.

What teams are in the ALL? I can't find any information on the google machine.

It is the "ALL Summer Championship". I believe it is sponsored by US Club Lax National Championship. Selection is based on the top 16 teams in each grade group in the country as ranked by US Club Lax. Think NLF without the ability to exclude stronger teams.

Not true. The ALL is now like NFL. They have founding teams and affiliate teams. They will start having tournaments themselves moving forward. They have a Summer Championship for now.

US Club National Championship is separate from ALL and is run by US Club lax and their rankings. NLF teams will be able to quality the question will be will they participate since it is a non-NLF Championship. I believe HHH is the only club that adheres to that.

ALL = The Alliance Lacrosse League

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What exactly is BPG Nationals? I know BPG sports bought Dukes but BPG Nationals looks like it is all the Dukes coaches. Will they being changing names or are the planning on having a National team outside of Dukes? They are running a Mini Camp? For what purpose? Any involved?

BPG is a national team outside of Duke's and Brotherly Love (both under BPG Lacrosse). They are currently in the Circuit and session II is in December, thus the mini camp. So far the experience is just alright. The coaching is excellent. Hopefully the talent comes. We shall see. Not impressed with the Circuit in the least. So if that's the big selling point next year, we might not be returning.

Got it. So this replaced Premier National then. We were on that team but only did one tourney with them. Was asked back for Naptown but declined since my son was already going with his club team.

Cool. what did you guys have for lunch yesterday? I'd love to hear more about it.
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Normally, I’d say an organization like the ALL fails against the NLF but the teams/clubs involved are impressive. It will take a few years but I think it can really compete…maybe the NLF tries to buy/recruit some of the teams?

The ALL already has teams that were affiliates of the NFL and left for the ALL.

What teams are in the ALL? I can't find any information on the google machine.

It is the "ALL Summer Championship". I believe it is sponsored by US Club Lax National Championship. Selection is based on the top 16 teams in each grade group in the country as ranked by US Club Lax. Think NLF without the ability to exclude stronger teams.

What happens when the top 5 or 10 teams do not show and are at nlf?
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The Alliance Lacrosse League
Founding members: 3d New England, BBL, Mad Dog, Next Level, SweetLax
Partners: BPG (BL, Dukes), Legacy, Shore2Shore,2Way, Team Ten

seems pretty legit to me. Good that there will be some competition to the NLF.

Are these Leagues/Federations good for club lacrosse? it's all getting very corporate.


Sounds like a good minor league system they put together. Good for them.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Normally, I’d say an organization like the ALL fails against the NLF but the teams/clubs involved are impressive. It will take a few years but I think it can really compete…maybe the NLF tries to buy/recruit some of the teams?

The ALL already has teams that were affiliates of the NFL and left for the ALL.

What teams are in the ALL? I can't find any information on the google machine.

It is the "ALL Summer Championship". I believe it is sponsored by US Club Lax National Championship. Selection is based on the top 16 teams in each grade group in the country as ranked by US Club Lax. Think NLF without the ability to exclude stronger teams.

What happens when the top 5 or 10 teams do not show and are at nlf?

It will be interesting to see who goes to ALL and who goes to NLF. Last summer NLF really tried to limit Summer Championship to NLF teams and affiliates only. So there are still a lot of teams out there to go to ALL.

For the US Club lax championship they pushed that to club lax is over. It may interfere with All America games though. So older ages might not fair as well. And people may not want to travel to Richmond that time of year.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Normally, I’d say an organization like the ALL fails against the NLF but the teams/clubs involved are impressive. It will take a few years but I think it can really compete…maybe the NLF tries to buy/recruit some of the teams?

The ALL already has teams that were affiliates of the NFL and left for the ALL.

What teams are in the ALL? I can't find any information on the google machine.

It is the "ALL Summer Championship". I believe it is sponsored by US Club Lax National Championship. Selection is based on the top 16 teams in each grade group in the country as ranked by US Club Lax. Think NLF without the ability to exclude stronger teams.

What happens when the top 5 or 10 teams do not show and are at nlf?
different weekends.
That being said, the US Club lax national championship will never thrive. summer schedule is already full. This thing is supposed to be in august. After club tryouts have already occurred and musical chairs have already rotated around. OK idea, with just really terrible execution plan.

Maybe I'm wrong. Let me know if I am.
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Dukes now part of the A.L.L. thru BPG

What is the A.L.L.? I'm assuming it's some sort of competitor to the NLF?? If that is the case, who is in it? And is there any way it would actually draw kids away from the NLF (please tell me how).

I would think by having the same college coaches and better facilities. The coaches will go where the kids are. Plus with NLF blocking some of the better teams, they won't be at NLF anyway.
What’s NXT going to do? 2028s seem down? 29s went to Futures? 31s went to HHH?
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What’s NXT going to do? 2028s seem down? 29s went to Futures? 31s went to HHH?

They sold about 2 years ago? I'm sure the founders contracts are coming to an end shortly. Website isn't getting updated. Teams will diminish and they'll just be a tournament/event organization within a few years.
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The Alliance Lacrosse League
Founding members: 3d New England, BBL, Mad Dog, Next Level, SweetLax
Partners: BPG (BL, Dukes), Legacy, Shore2Shore,2Way, Team Ten

seems pretty legit to me. Good that there will be some competition to the NLF.

Are these Leagues/Federations good for club lacrosse? it's all getting very corporate.


Sounds like a good minor league system they put together. Good for them.

NLF needs a farm league.Good idea!
My son played in the summer championship for NLF as a guest player. The fields were horrid, refs didn’t want to be there and coaches acting like [Censored]…NLF will be dead soon.
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Normally, I’d say an organization like the ALL fails against the NLF but the teams/clubs involved are impressive. It will take a few years but I think it can really compete…maybe the NLF tries to buy/recruit some of the teams?

The ALL already has teams that were affiliates of the NFL and left for the ALL.

What teams are in the ALL? I can't find any information on the google machine.

It is the "ALL Summer Championship". I believe it is sponsored by US Club Lax National Championship. Selection is based on the top 16 teams in each grade group in the country as ranked by US Club Lax. Think NLF without the ability to exclude stronger teams.

What happens when the top 5 or 10 teams do not show and are at nlf?
different weekends.
That being said, the US Club lax national championship will never thrive. summer schedule is already full. This thing is supposed to be in august. After club tryouts have already occurred and musical chairs have already rotated around. OK idea, with just really terrible execution plan.

Maybe I'm wrong. Let me know if I am.

US Clun lax Nationals was changed to July 19thish. But still in Richmond. Yes, lacrosse try outs will have started for the younger kids but this is only the weekend after NLF Championship so I don't think it is out of the realm for the younger kids. Older kids maybe...unless you can guarantee a huge college draw.
I wonder if it was just a money grab.....nah.
NLF dropped the ball. The Alliance League will work because so many teams were burned by NLF. The founding members kick out the good teams that are local to them. A couple of founding member clubs on the ropes also not good programs any more.

Big4HHH (3rd best program now at best in philly area)
Express usually not a top 5 team in any division
91 Long Island is strong but really does not like to be challenged
Crabs (not usually a top 10 team in any division)
Leading Edge (solid but not top )
Laxachusetts very strong in younger groups but heavily reclassed teams so top out as get older.

I think a couple of Affiliate teams already said going to the circuit or will play both. Also I think Circuit will be strict on rostered kids which stops national teams from entering.

I don't see NLF staying near as strong. Plus anyone that has been to NLF tournament knows not best facilities usually and not easy logistically with hotels.

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Normally, I’d say an organization like the ALL fails against the NLF but the teams/clubs involved are impressive. It will take a few years but I think it can really compete…maybe the NLF tries to buy/recruit some of the teams?

The ALL already has teams that were affiliates of the NFL and left for the ALL.

What teams are in the ALL? I can't find any information on the google machine.

It is the "ALL Summer Championship". I believe it is sponsored by US Club Lax National Championship. Selection is based on the top 16 teams in each grade group in the country as ranked by US Club Lax. Think NLF without the ability to exclude stronger teams.

What happens when the top 5 or 10 teams do not show and are at nlf?
different weekends.
That being said, the US Club lax national championship will never thrive. summer schedule is already full. This thing is supposed to be in august. After club tryouts have already occurred and musical chairs have already rotated around. OK idea, with just really terrible execution plan.

Maybe I'm wrong. Let me know if I am.

US Clun lax Nationals was changed to July 19thish. But still in Richmond. Yes, lacrosse try outs will have started for the younger kids but this is only the weekend after NLF Championship so I don't think it is out of the realm for the younger kids. Older kids maybe...unless you can guarantee a huge college draw.
The circuit is a total money grab by 3Step/NXT to cash in on families who's self worth is tied to playing on the "national" level. NLF in middle school is similarly pointless.
NLF's attempt at creating exclusivity at their events is really backfiring as their teams are slowly turning over and tanking compared to other clubs that have stayed hungry and have been hustling keep on par with the NLF.



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NLF dropped the ball. The Alliance League will work because so many teams were burned by NLF. The founding members kick out the good teams that are local to them. A couple of founding member clubs on the ropes also not good programs any more.

Big4HHH (3rd best program now at best in philly area)
Express usually not a top 5 team in any division
91 Long Island is strong but really does not like to be challenged
Crabs (not usually a top 10 team in any division)
Leading Edge (solid but not top )
Laxachusetts very strong in younger groups but heavily reclassed teams so top out as get older.

I think a couple of Affiliate teams already said going to the circuit or will play both. Also I think Circuit will be strict on rostered kids which stops national teams from entering.

I don't see NLF staying near as strong. Plus anyone that has been to NLF tournament knows not best facilities usually and not easy logistically with hotels.
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NLF dropped the ball. The Alliance League will work because so many teams were burned by NLF. The founding members kick out the good teams that are local to them. A couple of founding member clubs on the ropes also not good programs any more.

Big4HHH (3rd best program now at best in philly area)
Express usually not a top 5 team in any division
91 Long Island is strong but really does not like to be challenged
Crabs (not usually a top 10 team in any division)
Leading Edge (solid but not top )
Laxachusetts very strong in younger groups but heavily reclassed teams so top out as get older.

I think a couple of Affiliate teams already said going to the circuit or will play both. Also I think Circuit will be strict on rostered kids which stops national teams from entering.

I don't see NLF staying near as strong. Plus anyone that has been to NLF tournament knows not best facilities usually and not easy logistically with hotels.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Normally, I’d say an organization like the ALL fails against the NLF but the teams/clubs involved are impressive. It will take a few years but I think it can really compete…maybe the NLF tries to buy/recruit some of the teams?

The ALL already has teams that were affiliates of the NFL and left for the ALL.

What teams are in the ALL? I can't find any information on the google machine.

It is the "ALL Summer Championship". I believe it is sponsored by US Club Lax National Championship. Selection is based on the top 16 teams in each grade group in the country as ranked by US Club Lax. Think NLF without the ability to exclude stronger teams.

What happens when the top 5 or 10 teams do not show and are at nlf?
different weekends.
That being said, the US Club lax national championship will never thrive. summer schedule is already full. This thing is supposed to be in august. After club tryouts have already occurred and musical chairs have already rotated around. OK idea, with just really terrible execution plan.

Maybe I'm wrong. Let me know if I am.

US Clun lax Nationals was changed to July 19thish. But still in Richmond. Yes, lacrosse try outs will have started for the younger kids but this is only the weekend after NLF Championship so I don't think it is out of the realm for the younger kids. Older kids maybe...unless you can guarantee a huge college draw.

The Circuit is almost all National teams..BPG Nationals, Nationals, Nations Best, Red Hots Nationals. There literally is only National teams so not sure why you said Circuit would stop Nationals teams from entering.
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NLF dropped the ball. The Alliance League will work because so many teams were burned by NLF. The founding members kick out the good teams that are local to them. A couple of founding member clubs on the ropes also not good programs any more.

Big4HHH (3rd best program now at best in philly area)
Express usually not a top 5 team in any division
91 Long Island is strong but really does not like to be challenged
Crabs (not usually a top 10 team in any division)
Leading Edge (solid but not top )
Laxachusetts very strong in younger groups but heavily reclassed teams so top out as get older.

I think a couple of Affiliate teams already said going to the circuit or will play both. Also I think Circuit will be strict on rostered kids which stops national teams from entering.

I don't see NLF staying near as strong. Plus anyone that has been to NLF tournament knows not best facilities usually and not easy logistically with hotels.

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Normally, I’d say an organization like the ALL fails against the NLF but the teams/clubs involved are impressive. It will take a few years but I think it can really compete…maybe the NLF tries to buy/recruit some of the teams?

The ALL already has teams that were affiliates of the NFL and left for the ALL.

What teams are in the ALL? I can't find any information on the google machine.

It is the "ALL Summer Championship". I believe it is sponsored by US Club Lax National Championship. Selection is based on the top 16 teams in each grade group in the country as ranked by US Club Lax. Think NLF without the ability to exclude stronger teams.

What happens when the top 5 or 10 teams do not show and are at nlf?
different weekends.
That being said, the US Club lax national championship will never thrive. summer schedule is already full. This thing is supposed to be in august. After club tryouts have already occurred and musical chairs have already rotated around. OK idea, with just really terrible execution plan.

Maybe I'm wrong. Let me know if I am.

US Clun lax Nationals was changed to July 19thish. But still in Richmond. Yes, lacrosse try outs will have started for the younger kids but this is only the weekend after NLF Championship so I don't think it is out of the realm for the younger kids. Older kids maybe...unless you can guarantee a huge college draw.

The Circuit is almost all National teams..BPG Nationals, Nationals, Nations Best, Red Hots Nationals. There literally is only National teams so not sure why you said Circuit would stop Nationals teams from entering.


I think a tag line for the Circuit is "Where national teams come to play".
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Normally, I’d say an organization like the ALL fails against the NLF but the teams/clubs involved are impressive. It will take a few years but I think it can really compete…maybe the NLF tries to buy/recruit some of the teams?

The ALL already has teams that were affiliates of the NFL and left for the ALL.

What teams are in the ALL? I can't find any information on the google machine.

It is the "ALL Summer Championship". I believe it is sponsored by US Club Lax National Championship. Selection is based on the top 16 teams in each grade group in the country as ranked by US Club Lax. Think NLF without the ability to exclude stronger teams.

Not true. The ALL is now like NFL. They have founding teams and affiliate teams. They will start having tournaments themselves moving forward. They have a Summer Championship for now.

US Club National Championship is separate from ALL and is run by US Club lax and their rankings. NLF teams will be able to quality the question will be will they participate since it is a non-NLF Championship. I believe HHH is the only club that adheres to that.

Got a good chuckle from this ALL infomercial. Will be a lax failure meme in a year.DOA. Bunch of farm teams playing on the same weekend as the single best tournament in the country. Classic lax blunder. Going to cause defections of the best players to NLF to accelerate. Of course lesser talented players need tournaments to attend to. But professional groups like BPG and real marketing are going to use this parent storm to raid all the other clubs.Worse US Club lax lost all ranking credibility overnight jumping into this mess.Inside Lax and NLF will own the ranks forever now.
I don't follow why the ALL would cause players to defect to the NLF. Please explain further.
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Normally, I’d say an organization like the ALL fails against the NLF but the teams/clubs involved are impressive. It will take a few years but I think it can really compete…maybe the NLF tries to buy/recruit some of the teams?

The ALL already has teams that were affiliates of the NFL and left for the ALL.

What teams are in the ALL? I can't find any information on the google machine.

It is the "ALL Summer Championship". I believe it is sponsored by US Club Lax National Championship. Selection is based on the top 16 teams in each grade group in the country as ranked by US Club Lax. Think NLF without the ability to exclude stronger teams.

Not true. The ALL is now like NFL. They have founding teams and affiliate teams. They will start having tournaments themselves moving forward. They have a Summer Championship for now.

US Club National Championship is separate from ALL and is run by US Club lax and their rankings. NLF teams will be able to quality the question will be will they participate since it is a non-NLF Championship. I believe HHH is the only club that adheres to that.

Got a good chuckle from this ALL infomercial. Will be a lax failure meme in a year.DOA. Bunch of farm teams playing on the same weekend as the single best tournament in the country. Classic lax blunder. Going to cause defections of the best players to NLF to accelerate. Of course lesser talented players need tournaments to attend to. But professional groups like BPG and real marketing are going to use this parent storm to raid all the other clubs.Worse US Club lax lost all ranking credibility overnight jumping into this mess.Inside Lax and NLF will own the ranks forever now.

good post,,,explains why in uscl fall ranks are so bad & many bad ALL teams are ranked in golden 16,,, when they shouldnt be,,,look at 2028, 2029 etc etc etc,,,
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Normally, I’d say an organization like the ALL fails against the NLF but the teams/clubs involved are impressive. It will take a few years but I think it can really compete…maybe the NLF tries to buy/recruit some of the teams?

The ALL already has teams that were affiliates of the NFL and left for the ALL.

What teams are in the ALL? I can't find any information on the google machine.

It is the "ALL Summer Championship". I believe it is sponsored by US Club Lax National Championship. Selection is based on the top 16 teams in each grade group in the country as ranked by US Club Lax. Think NLF without the ability to exclude stronger teams.

Not true. The ALL is now like NFL. They have founding teams and affiliate teams. They will start having tournaments themselves moving forward. They have a Summer Championship for now.

US Club National Championship is separate from ALL and is run by US Club lax and their rankings. NLF teams will be able to quality the question will be will they participate since it is a non-NLF Championship. I believe HHH is the only club that adheres to that.

Got a good chuckle from this ALL infomercial. Will be a lax failure meme in a year.DOA. Bunch of farm teams playing on the same weekend as the single best tournament in the country. Classic lax blunder. Going to cause defections of the best players to NLF to accelerate. Of course lesser talented players need tournaments to attend to. But professional groups like BPG and real marketing are going to use this parent storm to raid all the other clubs.Worse US Club lax lost all ranking credibility overnight jumping into this mess.Inside Lax and NLF will own the ranks forever now.

Interesting take...ALL has some pretty good teams associated with it that have alot of talent. The NLF as well. I think you forget the NLF championship was all NLF teams and B teams because they didn't want alot of the ALL teams in the tournament. Most college coaches will tell you they attend a few of these tournaments. They were at NLF, NAL, Naptown, Sweetlax...you don't need to be an NLF team to get recruited. This is such a falsehood made up by the NLF. Why can't we just sit and say that we have lots of good teams in the PA area and our kids will more opportunities now for exposure. And yes my son was a starter on an NLF team and chose to leave for another team. So don't go "hit the wall", "sorry he isn't good enough for NLF".
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Normally, I’d say an organization like the ALL fails against the NLF but the teams/clubs involved are impressive. It will take a few years but I think it can really compete…maybe the NLF tries to buy/recruit some of the teams?

The ALL already has teams that were affiliates of the NFL and left for the ALL.

What teams are in the ALL? I can't find any information on the google machine.

It is the "ALL Summer Championship". I believe it is sponsored by US Club Lax National Championship. Selection is based on the top 16 teams in each grade group in the country as ranked by US Club Lax. Think NLF without the ability to exclude stronger teams.

Not true. The ALL is now like NFL. They have founding teams and affiliate teams. They will start having tournaments themselves moving forward. They have a Summer Championship for now.

US Club National Championship is separate from ALL and is run by US Club lax and their rankings. NLF teams will be able to quality the question will be will they participate since it is a non-NLF Championship. I believe HHH is the only club that adheres to that.

Got a good chuckle from this ALL infomercial. Will be a lax failure meme in a year.DOA. Bunch of farm teams playing on the same weekend as the single best tournament in the country. Classic lax blunder. Going to cause defections of the best players to NLF to accelerate. Of course lesser talented players need tournaments to attend to. But professional groups like BPG and real marketing are going to use this parent storm to raid all the other clubs.Worse US Club lax lost all ranking credibility overnight jumping into this mess.Inside Lax and NLF will own the ranks forever now.

good post,,,explains why in uscl fall ranks are so bad & many bad ALL teams are ranked in golden 16,,, when they shouldnt be,,,look at 2028, 2029 etc etc etc,,,

The rankings are all numbers based - W/L, Goal differential, strength of schedule. US Club Lax can't manipulate that. The only they said they would do was remove National teams. And where is everyone getting that US Club lax is with ALL? Their tournaments are two different weekends.
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Normally, I’d say an organization like the ALL fails against the NLF but the teams/clubs involved are impressive. It will take a few years but I think it can really compete…maybe the NLF tries to buy/recruit some of the teams?

The ALL already has teams that were affiliates of the NFL and left for the ALL.

What teams are in the ALL? I can't find any information on the google machine.

It is the "ALL Summer Championship". I believe it is sponsored by US Club Lax National Championship. Selection is based on the top 16 teams in each grade group in the country as ranked by US Club Lax. Think NLF without the ability to exclude stronger teams.

Not true. The ALL is now like NFL. They have founding teams and affiliate teams. They will start having tournaments themselves moving forward. They have a Summer Championship for now.

US Club National Championship is separate from ALL and is run by US Club lax and their rankings. NLF teams will be able to quality the question will be will they participate since it is a non-NLF Championship. I believe HHH is the only club that adheres to that.

Got a good chuckle from this ALL infomercial. Will be a lax failure meme in a year.DOA. Bunch of farm teams playing on the same weekend as the single best tournament in the country. Classic lax blunder. Going to cause defections of the best players to NLF to accelerate. Of course lesser talented players need tournaments to attend to. But professional groups like BPG and real marketing are going to use this parent storm to raid all the other clubs.Worse US Club lax lost all ranking credibility overnight jumping into this mess.Inside Lax and NLF will own the ranks forever now.

Interesting take...ALL has some pretty good teams associated with it that have alot of talent. The NLF as well. I think you forget the NLF championship was all NLF teams and B teams because they didn't want alot of the ALL teams in the tournament. Most college coaches will tell you they attend a few of these tournaments. They were at NLF, NAL, Naptown, Sweetlax...you don't need to be an NLF team to get recruited. This is such a falsehood made up by the NLF. Why can't we just sit and say that we have lots of good teams in the PA area and our kids will more opportunities now for exposure. And yes my son was a starter on an NLF team and chose to leave for another team. So don't go "hit the wall", "sorry he isn't good enough for NLF".

So he got cut huh. Hit the wall and maybe next year he can make Mesa or HHH.
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Normally, I’d say an organization like the ALL fails against the NLF but the teams/clubs involved are impressive. It will take a few years but I think it can really compete…maybe the NLF tries to buy/recruit some of the teams?

The ALL already has teams that were affiliates of the NFL and left for the ALL.

What teams are in the ALL? I can't find any information on the google machine.

It is the "ALL Summer Championship". I believe it is sponsored by US Club Lax National Championship. Selection is based on the top 16 teams in each grade group in the country as ranked by US Club Lax. Think NLF without the ability to exclude stronger teams.

Not true. The ALL is now like NFL. They have founding teams and affiliate teams. They will start having tournaments themselves moving forward. They have a Summer Championship for now.

US Club National Championship is separate from ALL and is run by US Club lax and their rankings. NLF teams will be able to quality the question will be will they participate since it is a non-NLF Championship. I believe HHH is the only club that adheres to that.

Got a good chuckle from this ALL infomercial. Will be a lax failure meme in a year.DOA. Bunch of farm teams playing on the same weekend as the single best tournament in the country. Classic lax blunder. Going to cause defections of the best players to NLF to accelerate. Of course lesser talented players need tournaments to attend to. But professional groups like BPG and real marketing are going to use this parent storm to raid all the other clubs.Worse US Club lax lost all ranking credibility overnight jumping into this mess.Inside Lax and NLF will own the ranks forever now.

good post,,,explains why in uscl fall ranks are so bad & many bad ALL teams are ranked in golden 16,,, when they shouldnt be,,,look at 2028, 2029 etc etc etc,,,

Pay to play model is pretty sketch. But when you are desperate you are desperate. Maybe ALL will take a page out of the X football league. Gimck it up everywhere. Play 7s lax, 2 pointers, 1$ hotdog _ beer sections real Gilligan like tricks,
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Normally, I’d say an organization like the ALL fails against the NLF but the teams/clubs involved are impressive. It will take a few years but I think it can really compete…maybe the NLF tries to buy/recruit some of the teams?

The ALL already has teams that were affiliates of the NFL and left for the ALL.

What teams are in the ALL? I can't find any information on the google machine.

It is the "ALL Summer Championship". I believe it is sponsored by US Club Lax National Championship. Selection is based on the top 16 teams in each grade group in the country as ranked by US Club Lax. Think NLF without the ability to exclude stronger teams.

Not true. The ALL is now like NFL. They have founding teams and affiliate teams. They will start having tournaments themselves moving forward. They have a Summer Championship for now.

US Club National Championship is separate from ALL and is run by US Club lax and their rankings. NLF teams will be able to quality the question will be will they participate since it is a non-NLF Championship. I believe HHH is the only club that adheres to that.

Got a good chuckle from this ALL infomercial. Will be a lax failure meme in a year.DOA. Bunch of farm teams playing on the same weekend as the single best tournament in the country. Classic lax blunder. Going to cause defections of the best players to NLF to accelerate. Of course lesser talented players need tournaments to attend to. But professional groups like BPG and real marketing are going to use this parent storm to raid all the other clubs.Worse US Club lax lost all ranking credibility overnight jumping into this mess.Inside Lax and NLF will own the ranks forever now.

good post,,,explains why in uscl fall ranks are so bad & many bad ALL teams are ranked in golden 16,,, when they shouldnt be,,,look at 2028, 2029 etc etc etc,,,

NLF INSTAGRAM AND WEBSITE SAYS THERE WERE OVER 350 COLLEGES AT NLF TOURNAMENTS. MOST OF ANY TOURNAMENTS. PEOPLE DO NOT TRAVEL TO EVENTS AND SPEND MONEY UNLESS THERE IS VALUE. WHATS THE DEBATE?
BPG will have their affiliates playing, not the national teams you dunder. Meaning, BL and Duke’s (maybe even a Delco and some of the smaller teams, not sure).
As for the NLF, they are desperate; my son guest played for one of the teams, as did a ton of players, proving the current talent ain’t that good. Sorry pal; your son stinks
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BPG will have their affiliates playing, not the national teams you dunder. Meaning, BL and Duke’s (maybe even a Delco and some of the smaller teams, not sure).
As for the NLF, they are desperate; my son guest played for one of the teams, as did a ton of players, proving the current talent ain’t that good. Sorry pal; your son stinks
Hhh youth teams will not win a game all season. Which age? Any of them !!! Total joke of a program.
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BPG will have their affiliates playing, not the national teams you dunder. Meaning, BL and Duke’s (maybe even a Delco and some of the smaller teams, not sure).
As for the NLF, they are desperate; my son guest played for one of the teams, as did a ton of players, proving the current talent ain’t that good. Sorry pal; your son stinks
Hhh youth teams will not win a game all season. Which age? Any of them !!! Total joke of a program.

Well you are the one HHH detractor here. Few posts up HHH was called the premier program. Only way to get recruited is to be on HHH.
HHH youth programs are fine. The families that are a part of it are getting what they want...low key, fundamentals based, team fun. Not everyone is looking for 2-3X a week practices year round for a 10 year old where your kid can be recruited over. Been there done that, learned from it.
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Normally, I’d say an organization like the ALL fails against the NLF but the teams/clubs involved are impressive. It will take a few years but I think it can really compete…maybe the NLF tries to buy/recruit some of the teams?

The ALL already has teams that were affiliates of the NFL and left for the ALL.

What teams are in the ALL? I can't find any information on the google machine.

It is the "ALL Summer Championship". I believe it is sponsored by US Club Lax National Championship. Selection is based on the top 16 teams in each grade group in the country as ranked by US Club Lax. Think NLF without the ability to exclude stronger teams.

Not true. The ALL is now like NFL. They have founding teams and affiliate teams. They will start having tournaments themselves moving forward. They have a Summer Championship for now.

US Club National Championship is separate from ALL and is run by US Club lax and their rankings. NLF teams will be able to quality the question will be will they participate since it is a non-NLF Championship. I believe HHH is the only club that adheres to that.

Got a good chuckle from this ALL infomercial. Will be a lax failure meme in a year.DOA. Bunch of farm teams playing on the same weekend as the single best tournament in the country. Classic lax blunder. Going to cause defections of the best players to NLF to accelerate. Of course lesser talented players need tournaments to attend to. But professional groups like BPG and real marketing are going to use this parent storm to raid all the other clubs.Worse US Club lax lost all ranking credibility overnight jumping into this mess.Inside Lax and NLF will own the ranks forever now.

good post,,,explains why in uscl fall ranks are so bad & many bad ALL teams are ranked in golden 16,,, when they shouldnt be,,,look at 2028, 2029 etc etc etc,,,

NLF INSTAGRAM AND WEBSITE SAYS THERE WERE OVER 350 COLLEGES AT NLF TOURNAMENTS. MOST OF ANY TOURNAMENTS. PEOPLE DO NOT TRAVEL TO EVENTS AND SPEND MONEY UNLESS THERE IS VALUE. WHATS THE DEBATE?

You are the guy that buys diet products off of informercials, aren't you? What's with the all CAPS? Do you think it makes your point more compelling?
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BPG will have their affiliates playing, not the national teams you dunder. Meaning, BL and Duke’s (maybe even a Delco and some of the smaller teams, not sure).
As for the NLF, they are desperate; my son guest played for one of the teams, as did a ton of players, proving the current talent ain’t that good. Sorry pal; your son stinks
Hhh youth teams will not win a game all season. Which age? Any of them !!! Total joke of a program.

Well you are the one HHH detractor here. Few posts up HHH was called the premier program. Only way to get recruited is to be on HHH.
HHH youth programs are fine. The families that are a part of it are getting what they want...low key, fundamentals based, team fun. Not everyone is looking for 2-3X a week practices year round for a 10 year old where your kid can be recruited over. Been there done that, learned from it.

If that is the case, then that is great the kids and parents. Just as long as you know your run with HHH will end in 8th grade when the real talent starts rolling into the club for high school.
Let’s be honest. Philly is a great lacrosse market. But there is really only one good team at each age level. 25’s are basically out the door at this point. 26 it’s TT. 27 it’s TT, 28 it’s Freedom, 29 it’s Futures and 30 it’s Dukes. To try and say any other team at these ages is close is just not true. Who cares if they play in the NLF or ALL it doesn’t matter. Both leagues have a big tournament now at the end of the season which benefits the kids because it makes it easy for coaches to go to one place and see the players. Win Win for everyone.
“My young kid stinks now but just you wait…also, NLF!”
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Let’s be honest. Philly is a great lacrosse market. But there is really only one good team at each age level. 25’s are basically out the door at this point. 26 it’s TT. 27 it’s TT, 28 it’s Freedom, 29 it’s Futures and 30 it’s Dukes. To try and say any other team at these ages is close is just not true. Who cares if they play in the NLF or ALL it doesn’t matter. Both leagues have a big tournament now at the end of the season which benefits the kids because it makes it easy for coaches to go to one place and see the players. Win Win for everyone.

I feel like this is pretty fair take. Too much for this website… must be a bot.
There was a good turnout for the Eastern University HS Tournament this past weekend. It's a good opportunity for PA teams to get some games against NJ teams and those outside of District 1. It's amazing to see teams like Manheim Township getting better and more talented players. Very impressive.
HHH is the only program that comes on here and consistently says two separate things.
1. All the best kids will come to HHH when they are in HS for NLF!

Also…

2. We build and train all our players from a youth age and grow our program the right way.

Which is it?

Their big issue is what just happened with the 31s. They now have two 31 teams. One of kids that have been with the program a few years and haven’t won many games. And another of kids that were all recruited from different programs.

Doesn’t matter if you do that like everyone else. But don’t act like you aren’t actively trying to bring kids in especially at HS levels that will take other kids spots who have been with the program for a while.
So, rather than integrate the new kids into the program, they decided on creating a separate team?
That can’t be right - you sure?
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So, rather than integrate the new kids into the program, they decided on creating a separate team?
That can’t be right - you sure?

It's correct. It's HHH Birddogs 2031. It is more of a National Team. It is kids mainly from GA and Wissahickon. But the kids play for HHH, NXT, Team 91 MD, Stars and Stripes, Nationals. It was set up without the 2031 team knowing anything about it. BM has a son on the team.
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So, rather than integrate the new kids into the program, they decided on creating a separate team?
That can’t be right - you sure?

It's correct. It's HHH Birddogs 2031. It is more of a National Team. It is kids mainly from GA and Wissahickon. But the kids play for HHH, NXT, Team 91 MD, Stars and Stripes, Nationals. It was set up without the 2031 team knowing anything about it. BM has a son on the team.

It's good for the program. They need to start building elite youth teams to feed into their elite high school teams. This is the first step. Sounds like the motivation is there for this group. If I'm a '31, I'm trying to land a spot on that team.
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So, rather than integrate the new kids into the program, they decided on creating a separate team?
That can’t be right - you sure?

It's correct. It's HHH Birddogs 2031. It is more of a National Team. It is kids mainly from GA and Wissahickon. But the kids play for HHH, NXT, Team 91 MD, Stars and Stripes, Nationals. It was set up without the 2031 team knowing anything about it. BM has a son on the team.

All those HHH parents on the 29, 30, 31 non birddog teams should be paying close attention to their return on investment. I don't think they even have a 28 team at this point (sign of a solid program for sure).

BM has put minimal effort into the youth program for years. Now he's forming his next crown jewel team for Lil Tom Cruise. As he should. Everyone not on that team will probably see an even greater drop off in effort from BM. The HHH Birddogs 2031 will be practicing all the time and playing in every major tournament. My guess is there are a lot of scholarships for players on that team. Everyone else in the program is just along for the ride.
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So, rather than integrate the new kids into the program, they decided on creating a separate team?
That can’t be right - you sure?

It's correct. It's HHH Birddogs 2031. It is more of a National Team. It is kids mainly from GA and Wissahickon. But the kids play for HHH, NXT, Team 91 MD, Stars and Stripes, Nationals. It was set up without the 2031 team knowing anything about it. BM has a son on the team.


Yeah, it kind of [Censored] when your club team forms an elite team and doesn't tell you about it. It means that your son just doesn't have the stuff they are really looking for. Hey, at least you know where you stand with the program. Might be time to start looking at lower tier programs like Team Ten and NXT.
Daddyball at its finest
The Birddog team is probably a National team, clubs have more than 1 team for each age group, 1 standard 1 National.
The test will come when they play tournament; let’s see which team players where
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The Birddog team is probably a National team, clubs have more than 1 team for each age group, 1 standard 1 National.
The test will come when they play tournament; let’s see which team players where

Sounds like the birddogs are mostly local. Just handpicked.
Do we really care about a 2031 team they much at this point? I had to count backwards on my fingers to determine that this is a fifth grade team. People need to get some perspective here.
Once a coach’s son is involved, all bets are off.
Almost every club deals with it; they focus more on that team/grad year, they position their kid (usually at X) for success with little regard for other kids, play their kid even if they lack talent…brutal daddyball
It ain’t just BM. Every local club mentioned on here experiences it
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Once a coach’s son is involved, all bets are off.
Almost every club deals with it; they focus more on that team/grad year, they position their kid (usualy at X) for success with little regard for other kids, play their kid even if they lack talent…brutal daddyball
It ain’t just BM. Every local club mentioned on here experiences it

Feels like BM is just a Millon clone at this point. Millon is getting his kids into top tier programs at the collegiate level, so it's hard to fault BM for following the blue print already laid down. If you look at what he has done with those other youth programs its pretty clear he's checked out and out of touch with the families in his progrum.
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The Birddog team is probably a National team, clubs have more than 1 team for each age group, 1 standard 1 National.
The test will come when they play tournament; let’s see which team players where

Sounds like the birddogs are mostly local. Just handpicked.
Do we really care about a 2031 team they much at this point? I had to count backwards on my fingers to determine that this is a fifth grade team. People need to get some perspective here.

I don't disagree. As a parent with kids at 3 age levels. My oldest has played for 1 team. Never played for multiple teams at once. The kids at the 31 age level put 3-4 teams on the their IG pages. Yes, they are already posting videos in 5th grade of their goals and training...the world is getting crazier every day.
I understand why younger club teams have Dad coaches (elementary age to middle school). But when you get to the High School level, dads need to remove themselves from the coaching sideline. Doing way more harm than good.
The issue is most, if not all, Dad’s put their children before other, more deserving kids. That is bull. Yes, having skin in the game provides more consistency and continuity, coaching-wise, but when their kid ain’t good enough, it becomes a problem. Unfortunately, that’s normally the case
I had to cut my own son from the travel team that I coached. He stunk and I could not hide it anymore. My wife was livid.
You are the one. Most play their kid more than they should. What’s sad is they end up exposing the kid, especially if the team is good and resentment builds on the sidelines. And coach loses all credibility
Let's Dive into the HHH Youth Situation.

2031:
The "normal" team is 0-3. Looks like they hung in there with Team MD, but took their lumps from Madlax DMV and Duke's Elite A.

The "Birddog" team is 1-1-1, with a two goal win over the Downingtown Dawgs, a tie verse an average Jersey Express team, and a 2 goal lose against a good Madlax DMV team.

2030:
No Games Played

2029:
No Games Played

2028:
No Games Played


I'll be honest. Was expecting to see some games played by the Non-2031 teams. Maybe they don't have teams at those age levels. Maybe they do but just decided to not play in any tournaments in the fall. Anybody know? Regardless, I'd say it's highly suspect.
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You are the one. Most play their kid more than they should. What’s sad is they end up exposing the kid, especially if the team is good and resentment builds on the sidelines. And coach loses all credibility

What local programs are the biggest offenders of Daddyball?
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Let's Dive into the HHH Youth Situation.

2031:
The "normal" team is 0-3. Looks like they hung in there with Team MD, but took their lumps from Madlax DMV and Duke's Elite A.

The "Birddog" team is 1-1-1, with a two goal win over the Downingtown Dawgs, a tie verse an average Jersey Express team, and a 2 goal lose against a good Madlax DMV team.

2030:
No Games Played

2029:
No Games Played

2028:
No Games Played


I'll be honest. Was expecting to see some games played by the Non-2031 teams. Maybe they don't have teams at those age levels. Maybe they do but just decided to not play in any tournaments in the fall. Anybody know? Regardless, I'd say it's highly suspect.

Obsess much?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Let's Dive into the HHH Youth Situation.

2031:
The "normal" team is 0-3. Looks like they hung in there with Team MD, but took their lumps from Madlax DMV and Duke's Elite A.

The "Birddog" team is 1-1-1, with a two goal win over the Downingtown Dawgs, a tie verse an average Jersey Express team, and a 2 goal lose against a good Madlax DMV team.

2030:
No Games Played

2029:
No Games Played

2028:
No Games Played


I'll be honest. Was expecting to see some games played by the Non-2031 teams. Maybe they don't have teams at those age levels. Maybe they do but just decided to not play in any tournaments in the fall. Anybody know? Regardless, I'd say it's highly suspect.

Obsess much?

Consider it a PSA. I put up with this exact protocol for a few years. I just want to shine a light on how this program is run at the youth level so they have more information when they consider how to spend their money on youth lacrosse.
The issue w the HHH 2029 and 2030 teams is they didn’t have enough kids; think they ended up combining the two, having them play in the 29 bracket. You can check the scores to see how that went (hint: not good)
I have a son who will soon start high school. His first sport is lacrosse and we are torn between EA, Haverford, Malvern and LaSalle. Each seem like very good schools with good lacrosse. Academically our son is smart but not advanced. I would say normal kid. We are hearing that Haverford and EA are very challenging academically and getting harder. I am sure there are parents who could break the schools down on here on what is best for certain kids. How would you rank the schools academically? Does it help for college entrance going to a harder school and prepare your son better? Is it worth having to grind out hours of homework?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have a son who will soon start high school. His first sport is lacrosse and we are torn between EA, Haverford, Malvern and LaSalle. Each seem like very good schools with good lacrosse. Academically our son is smart but not advanced. I would say normal kid. We are hearing that Haverford and EA are very challenging academically and getting harder. I am sure there are parents who could break the schools down on here on what is best for certain kids. How would you rank the schools academically? Does it help for college entrance going to a harder school and prepare your son better? Is it worth having to grind out hours of homework?

I think it all depends upon what you want out of school and lacrosse. 3 out of the 4 are single sex schools. Inter-Ac is the best league in the area. LaSalle plays some tough teams but when they get in league they walk through them. Does your son want to play as 9th/10th grader? Not sure his skill level but all the schools above unless you are top tier you won't see varsity until Junior year and risk getting recruited over. Academically I would agree EA and Haverford are the most challenging, then Malvern then LaSalle. Also, think about where you live. If you are closer to one it will be easier for friends and for getting to school. Some kids spend close to 1.5 hrs on a bus to get to school. Where are kids from his club going? That could factor. My son goes to another Inter-Ac school in the area and we love it. No complaints. In the end you can't go wrong with any on your list but it has to be the right fit for what your son wants. Don't go chasing trophies or bragging rights.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have a son who will soon start high school. His first sport is lacrosse and we are torn between EA, Haverford, Malvern and LaSalle. Each seem like very good schools with good lacrosse. Academically our son is smart but not advanced. I would say normal kid. We are hearing that Haverford and EA are very challenging academically and getting harder. I am sure there are parents who could break the schools down on here on what is best for certain kids. How would you rank the schools academically? Does it help for college entrance going to a harder school and prepare your son better? Is it worth having to grind out hours of homework?

I don't know about LaSalle. I suspect it is in line with Malvern. EA is the best academically, followed by Haverford. The feedback is that students which leave Malvern for EA or Haverford find it challenging. Malvern seems to place sports above academics. EA academics above sport. Haverford in between.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have a son who will soon start high school. His first sport is lacrosse and we are torn between EA, Haverford, Malvern and LaSalle. Each seem like very good schools with good lacrosse. Academically our son is smart but not advanced. I would say normal kid. We are hearing that Haverford and EA are very challenging academically and getting harder. I am sure there are parents who could break the schools down on here on what is best for certain kids. How would you rank the schools academically? Does it help for college entrance going to a harder school and prepare your son better? Is it worth having to grind out hours of homework?

I don't know about LaSalle. I suspect it is in line with Malvern. EA is the best academically, followed by Haverford. The feedback is that students which leave Malvern for EA or Haverford find it challenging. Malvern seems to place sports above academics. EA academics above sport. Haverford in between.

EA parents were recently posting on this forum about the coaching change. May want to dig into that dynamic to understand if it's something you are willing to put up with (whatever side of the fence you fall on with that situation). Take tours of the school. See what the best fit is socially, academically, and athletically. At those schools, it's not a giving that your son will see significant playing time until deep into his high school career (as mentioned above). You have to be OK with that. The school is way more than the lacrosse team.
Thanks for feedback. Our #1 concern is our kid being happy and getting prepared for college. It seems all are good options for lacrosse (obviously the Interac is better competition) but we just do not want to throw him in the deep end academically then regret it. Playing time immediately not a concern we know at Malvern or Haverford will need to wait your turn but also know the practices are that much better when you have a deep team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thanks for feedback. Our #1 concern is our kid being happy and getting prepared for college. It seems all are good options for lacrosse (obviously the Interac is better competition) but we just do not want to throw him in the deep end academically then regret it. Playing time immediately not a concern we know at Malvern or Haverford will need to wait your turn but also know the practices are that much better when you have a deep team.

Each of these schools offers a great lacrosse experience. The colleges know the depth of the talent at these schools and there are kids getting recruited D1 off JV. Good luck.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The issue w the HHH 2029 and 2030 teams is they didn’t have enough kids; think they ended up combining the two, having them play in the 29 bracket. You can check the scores to see how that went (hint: not good)

So the almighty HHH has no 2028 team, a combined 29/30 team that is competing at the 29 level and struggling, and then they have two 2031 teams. Is there any other organization out there with as much disparity between their High School and Youth Programs?

I wonder if those 2029 families were informed that they would not have enough kids for a purely 2029 team? Or if they were told they were going to be grouped up with the 2030's. Probably not an ideal situation for a 2029 who is trying to improve his game.
I am just curious as to why public school is not an option? If you live in the suburban Philadelphia area there are some of the best schools in the state. Just wondering
While there certainly are good public school options in suburban Philly, none are as good as the schools he is contemplating
Originally Posted by Anonymous
While there certainly are good public school options in suburban Philly, none are as good as the schools he is contemplating
I assume you are saying this is relation to lacrosse. The academics at Lower Merion, Radnor, and Conestoga are superior to Malvern. Comparable to Haverford and EA. If your child is essentially on level but needs more individualized attention available through smaller class sizes, private schools is a great option. If your child needs significant services, public is a great option. If your child is on level or above, these schools are easily as good as most privates. Privates have higher scores because they don't have to have the lower end of the spectrum. Private may offer value in networking. Public probably offers the benefit of having a more diverse student body. Public has gone far into social indoctrination, which some will view as a plus and others a minus. Private will have some of that as well, but at religious affiliated schools you would anticipate and theoretically value that. EA and Malvern following trends in their dominations and are moving fairly far from their traditional roots. Don't know about Haverford.

From a lacrosse perspective all of the privates are vastly superior to the publics. Radnor has had a phenomenal recent run, but I suspect that is coming to an end. Conestoga had a great run a few years back, but that has ended.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
While there certainly are good public school options in suburban Philly, none are as good as the schools he is contemplating
I assume you are saying this is relation to lacrosse. The academics at Lower Merion, Radnor, and Conestoga are superior to Malvern. Comparable to Haverford and EA. If your child is essentially on level but needs more individualized attention available through smaller class sizes, private schools is a great option. If your child needs significant services, public is a great option. If your child is on level or above, these schools are easily as good as most privates. Privates have higher scores because they don't have to have the lower end of the spectrum. Private may offer value in networking. Public probably offers the benefit of having a more diverse student body. Public has gone far into social indoctrination, which some will view as a plus and others a minus. Private will have some of that as well, but at religious affiliated schools you would anticipate and theoretically value that. EA and Malvern following trends in their dominations and are moving fairly far from their traditional roots. Don't know about Haverford.

From a lacrosse perspective all of the privates are vastly superior to the publics. Radnor has had a phenomenal recent run, but I suspect that is coming to an end. Conestoga had a great run a few years back, but that has ended.

In my humble opinion, this post is spot on. The only thing I would add is if you believe lacrosse is the vehicle to get your child into a top end college, I would lean toward the private schools. Kids will travel over an hour to get to a Haverford or Malvern knowing that it will get them to the next lax level.
If I were to rate the top area private schools for Academics (Boys only):

1) Devon Prep
2) Episcopal
3) Haverford
4) Penn Charter
5) Germantown Academy
6) St. Joe's
7) Shipley
8) Archmere
9) Salesianum
10) Bishop Shanahan
11) Wilmington Friends
12) Malvern Prep
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If I were to rate the top area private schools for Academics (Boys only):

1) Devon Prep
2) Episcopal
3) Haverford
4) Penn Charter
5) Germantown Academy
6) St. Joe's
7) Shipley
8) Archmere
9) Salesianum
10) Bishop Shanahan
11) Wilmington Friends
12) Malvern Prep

You forgot to put SCH in there.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If I were to rate the top area private schools for Academics (Boys only):

1) Devon Prep
2) Episcopal
3) Haverford
4) Penn Charter
5) Germantown Academy
6) St. Joe's
7) Shipley
8) Archmere
9) Salesianum
10) Bishop Shanahan
11) Wilmington Friends
12) Malvern Prep

I am surprised by the ranking of Devon Prep. I have a few friends who have elected Devon Prep because their kids were under performing at their previous schools. The feedback has been overall very positive. I did not think it was on the more rigorous side. That is not saying it is not a great school. From all I hear they do a great job with their kids.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If I were to rate the top area private schools for Academics (Boys only):

1) Devon Prep
2) Episcopal
3) Haverford
4) Penn Charter
5) Germantown Academy
6) St. Joe's
7) Shipley
8) Archmere
9) Salesianum
10) Bishop Shanahan
11) Wilmington Friends
12) Malvern Prep

You forgot to put SCH in there.
Agreed...also forgot Lasalle.

I' d say SCH is probably #4 or #5 and LaSalle is #9 or #10.
Devon Prep is 100% NOT the top private school for academics in the area. That’s borderline absurd.
Devon Prep not near as hard academically as EA or Haverford. That is a fact.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If I were to rate the top area private schools for Academics (Boys only):

1) Devon Prep
2) Episcopal
3) Haverford
4) Penn Charter
5) Germantown Academy
6) St. Joe's
7) Shipley
8) Archmere
9) Salesianum
10) Bishop Shanahan
11) Wilmington Friends
12) Malvern Prep

I am surprised by the ranking of Devon Prep. I have a few friends who have elected Devon Prep because their kids were under performing at their previous schools. The feedback has been overall very positive. I did not think it was on the more rigorous side. That is not saying it is not a great school. From all I hear they do a great job with their kids.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Devon Prep is 100% NOT the top private school for academics in the area. That’s borderline absurd.

^^^^^^son did not get into Devon^^^^^^^

EA is the most exclusive because of their legacy policy but it is excellent. I think Holy Ghost prep could be up there.

The list seems solid. I would add Westtown but they are a boarding school so I understand putting that in a different bucket.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Devon Prep is 100% NOT the top private school for academics in the area. That’s borderline absurd.

^^^^^^son did not get into Devon^^^^^^^

EA is the most exclusive because of their legacy policy but it is excellent. I think Holy Ghost prep could be up there.

The list seems solid. I would add Westtown but they are a boarding school so I understand putting that in a different bucket.

Sorry, new to the area. I’ve hear of everyone on this list, except Devon Prep. Can someone provide some additional information around this school?
Holy Ghost is giving out so much money, basically begging kids to attend…top-notch for sure
I’m happy your Devon Prep child found success in life but stay off the drugs, pal, you are clueless
https://www.devonprep.com/student-life/academics/

Excellent academic institution if your son is a strong student. If your son is a top level lacrosse player, he will not be matched up against difficult competition as Devon plays in the Catholic league which is not that strong in lacrosse (sans St Joe’s prep and LaSalle).
Well, that’s solves that…thanks!
How much influence do Interac politics/old boys club have over Club lacrosse in our area?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
https://www.devonprep.com/student-life/academics/

Excellent academic institution if your son is a strong student. If your son is a top level lacrosse player, he will not be matched up against difficult competition as Devon plays in the Catholic league which is not that strong in lacrosse (sans St Joe’s prep and LaSalle).

Agreed. Devon Prep is a great school. They do a good job with strong students and less strong students. Thier lacrosse situation is not good and I think about to get worse. They have been running a joint team with Delaware County Christian School. I recently saw that DCC is trying to establish their own team. Neither Devon Prep nor DCC is the right place if lacrosse is a priority.
This board is a total joke these days.

On one hand we have people bashing HHH (and there 20+ D1 recruits this year) and the other hand saying that Devon Prep is the number 1 school in the region. Let’s all take a break and come back fresh in the new year.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This board is a total joke these days.

On one hand we have people bashing HHH (and there 20+ D1 recruits this year) and the other hand saying that Devon Prep is the number 1 school in the region. Let’s all take a break and come back fresh in the new year.

Sorry if the topic is not surrounded around your reclass son and his club lacrosse team. Academics and good academic/social communities for our sons mean something to reasonable parents.
Devon Prep is a good school, no one is suggesting otherwise. But to proclaim it as the #1 academic school in the area is BANANAS. Please stop, it’s not.
Also, Merry Christmas
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How much influence do Interac politics/old boys club have over Club lacrosse in our area?

More than they should
Not sure what you mean?
MM runs Malvern, what club does he influence, TeamTen, Freedom?
BM coaches at GA and owns HHH.
Forster Bros. Run Duke’s but they are let Inter-Ac, they rep Lasalle/ANC.
Resch just took over PC, no real club affiliation
Dougherty coaches SCH, no real club affiliation
Havorford? Episcopal?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
While there certainly are good public school options in suburban Philly, none are as good as the schools he is contemplating
I assume you are saying this is relation to lacrosse. The academics at Lower Merion, Radnor, and Conestoga are superior to Malvern. Comparable to Haverford and EA. If your child is essentially on level but needs more individualized attention available through smaller class sizes, private schools is a great option. If your child needs significant services, public is a great option. If your child is on level or above, these schools are easily as good as most privates. Privates have higher scores because they don't have to have the lower end of the spectrum. Private may offer value in networking. Public probably offers the benefit of having a more diverse student body. Public has gone far into social indoctrination, which some will view as a plus and others a minus. Private will have some of that as well, but at religious affiliated schools you would anticipate and theoretically value that. EA and Malvern following trends in their dominations and are moving fairly far from their traditional roots. Don't know about Haverford.

From a lacrosse perspective all of the privates are vastly superior to the publics. Radnor has had a phenomenal recent run, but I suspect that is coming to an end. Conestoga had a great run a few years back, but that has ended.

In my humble opinion, this post is spot on. The only thing I would add is if you believe lacrosse is the vehicle to get your child into a top end college, I would lean toward the private schools. Kids will travel over an hour to get to a Haverford or Malvern knowing that it will get them to the next lax level.
What does your club coach say because from what I have seen along the way, if you are not in the schools thoughts and conversations lcoming in to the school you can wait for your playing time but its unlikely to come as coaches have made investments elsewhere…..and if youre not reclassing for the coach which creates a better college prospect then he really doesn’t need you. In short, if you arent in conversations with club or hs coaches lacrosse is not going to be your path to college so select the best school with the most average lacrosse.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How much influence do Interac politics/old boys club have over Club lacrosse in our area?

More than they should

This question doesn’t make any sense.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How much influence do Interac politics/old boys club have over Club lacrosse in our area?

More than they should

This question doesn’t make any sense.

There was a time when certain club teams were feeding into certain schools, but it tended to make geographical sense for the most part...MESA fed Haverford. Freedom and Rising Sons fed into Malvern. NXT was feeding EA. Currently, Delco feeds Ridley, Fusion feeds Unionville, and Black Bear feeds Perkiomen Valley.
At the private's like Haverford, EA and Malvern the club's actually interfere with their practices, schedules because they are allowed to practice more so those schools not a big fan of club once kids are starting on those teams. PIAA schools cannot practice as much so clubs more important for development even in high school. Team Ten has a lot of Interac kids in their program at all grades but they have kids from all schools so not really a feeder to one, but I do think they try to avoid scheduling conflicts when they can.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How much influence do Interac politics/old boys club have over Club lacrosse in our area?

More than they should

This question doesn’t make any sense.

There was a time when certain club teams were feeding into certain schools, but it tended to make geographical sense for the most part...MESA fed Haverford. Freedom and Rising Sons fed into Malvern. NXT was feeding EA. Currently, Delco feeds Ridley, Fusion feeds Unionville, and Black Bear feeds Perkiomen Valley.
Not sure what is meant entirely by the question, but there is absolutely a positive bias towards private school players. So if you are trying out for a club and from a certain private school you are assumed to be a better player and definitely given an advantage. As someone who loves the game and has been involved with it for many years it is disappointing to see the increasing influence private schools and thus wealth is having on players opportunities. If you go back even 10-15 years ago this was not the case. I’m so tired of people saying they want to grow the game, when recent actions have only increasingly limited access. There are so many great players at public schools who never get recognized or even a chance to develop. It would be nice for people who say they truly care about the game to take action to decrease the influence of wealth and increase the opportunities and access for all players. If you compare to the girls game it is not this bad. The more great athletes playing would benefit everyone.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
At the private's like Haverford, EA and Malvern the club's actually interfere with their practices, schedules because they are allowed to practice more so those schools not a big fan of club once kids are starting on those teams. PIAA schools cannot practice as much so clubs more important for development even in high school. Team Ten has a lot of Interac kids in their program at all grades but they have kids from all schools so not really a feeder to one, but I do think they try to avoid scheduling conflicts when they can.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How much influence do Interac politics/old boys club have over Club lacrosse in our area?

More than they should

This question doesn’t make any sense.

There was a time when certain club teams were feeding into certain schools, but it tended to make geographical sense for the most part...MESA fed Haverford. Freedom and Rising Sons fed into Malvern. NXT was feeding EA. Currently, Delco feeds Ridley, Fusion feeds Unionville, and Black Bear feeds Perkiomen Valley.

I have been hearing a lot about MP and Haverford starting to recruit into Maryland.
New Year, new me.
Who’s heading down to IMG in a couple of weeks to get show out for the college coaches? This is the benefit of playing in the NLF. If you aren’t in, you are out.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not sure what is meant entirely by the question, but there is absolutely a positive bias towards private school players. So if you are trying out for a club and from a certain private school you are assumed to be a better player and definitely given an advantage. As someone who loves the game and has been involved with it for many years it is disappointing to see the increasing influence private schools and thus wealth is having on players opportunities. If you go back even 10-15 years ago this was not the case. I’m so tired of people saying they want to grow the game, when recent actions have only increasingly limited access. There are so many great players at public schools who never get recognized or even a chance to develop. It would be nice for people who say they truly care about the game to take action to decrease the influence of wealth and increase the opportunities and access for all players. If you compare to the girls game it is not this bad. The more great athletes playing would benefit everyone.
Stop whining dude. If your kid is at a public school, do the extra work to get him recognized. Get him on a good club team…have him do the elite showcases. Or grow a set and send him to one of the private schools. There is plenty of financial aid for families willing to sacrifice for a top notch education.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not sure what is meant entirely by the question, but there is absolutely a positive bias towards private school players. So if you are trying out for a club and from a certain private school you are assumed to be a better player and definitely given an advantage. As someone who loves the game and has been involved with it for many years it is disappointing to see the increasing influence private schools and thus wealth is having on players opportunities. If you go back even 10-15 years ago this was not the case. I’m so tired of people saying they want to grow the game, when recent actions have only increasingly limited access. There are so many great players at public schools who never get recognized or even a chance to develop. It would be nice for people who say they truly care about the game to take action to decrease the influence of wealth and increase the opportunities and access for all players. If you compare to the girls game it is not this bad. The more great athletes playing would benefit everyone.
Stop whining dude. If your kid is at a public school, do the extra work to get him recognized. Get him on a good club team…have him do the elite showcases. Or grow a set and send him to one of the private schools. There is plenty of financial aid for families willing to sacrifice for a top notch education.

You are literally proving his point. Extra work sometimes requires private lessons or work outs...money. Showcases...money. And people living pay check to pay check don't have the ability to sacrifice any more to go to a private school. You really showed your true colors telling some one who is not as privileged as you to "grow a set" and send a child to a private school. Lacrosse is a very privileged sport compared to other sports. And anyone who does not believe that is very lucky to be where they are in society.
Thoughts on NIL in college lacrosse? Any chance we see a decline in quality at more elite athletes will look for a full rides and football NIL over playing basically for love of the game in college lacrosse?
Have things calmed down over there at EA? Are they liking the new guy? or still hung up on Bates and the Stop Sign Incident of 2023? Looks like someone is still paying the monthly dues for "saveepiscopal.com"
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
While there certainly are good public school options in suburban Philly, none are as good as the schools he is contemplating
I assume you are saying this is relation to lacrosse. The academics at Lower Merion, Radnor, and Conestoga are superior to Malvern. Comparable to Haverford and EA. If your child is essentially on level but needs more individualized attention available through smaller class sizes, private schools is a great option. If your child needs significant services, public is a great option. If your child is on level or above, these schools are easily as good as most privates. Privates have higher scores because they don't have to have the lower end of the spectrum. Private may offer value in networking. Public probably offers the benefit of having a more diverse student body. Public has gone far into social indoctrination, which some will view as a plus and others a minus. Private will have some of that as well, but at religious affiliated schools you would anticipate and theoretically value that. EA and Malvern following trends in their dominations and are moving fairly far from their traditional roots. Don't know about Haverford.

From a lacrosse perspective all of the privates are vastly superior to the publics. Radnor has had a phenomenal recent run, but I suspect that is coming to an end. Conestoga had a great run a few years back, but that has ended.

In my humble opinion, this post is spot on. The only thing I would add is if you believe lacrosse is the vehicle to get your child into a top end college, I would lean toward the private schools. Kids will travel over an hour to get to a Haverford or Malvern knowing that it will get them to the next lax level.
What does your club coach say because from what I have seen along the way, if you are not in the schools thoughts and conversations lcoming in to the school you can wait for your playing time but its unlikely to come as coaches have made investments elsewhere…..and if youre not reclassing for the coach which creates a better college prospect then he really doesn’t need you. In short, if you arent in conversations with club or hs coaches lacrosse is not going to be your path to college so select the best school with the most average lacrosse.

Good common sense and advice.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thoughts on NIL in college lacrosse? Any chance we see a decline in quality at more elite athletes will look for a full rides and football NIL over playing basically for love of the game in college lacrosse?

I would not be surprised to see all athletes become "employees" of the university in the future. It will give a pathway for non-revenue athletes to improve their financial position while allowing them to get a better education playing the sport they love.

Of course....HHH players will make millions off their deals:)
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thoughts on NIL in college lacrosse? Any chance we see a decline in quality at more elite athletes will look for a full rides and football NIL over playing basically for love of the game in college lacrosse?

I would not be surprised to see all athletes become "employees" of the university in the future. It will give a pathway for non-revenue athletes to improve their financial position while allowing them to get a better education playing the sport they love.

Of course....HHH players will make millions off their deals:)

I agree that HHH players will make mint wink
I don't think non-revenue athletes will be get the same "employee" status that football/basketball players. Non-revenue sports are already hits to the bottom line. They are lucky just to be in there. No chance they get more money from the university.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thoughts on NIL in college lacrosse? Any chance we see a decline in quality at more elite athletes will look for a full rides and football NIL over playing basically for love of the game in college lacrosse?

I would not be surprised to see all athletes become "employees" of the university in the future. It will give a pathway for non-revenue athletes to improve their financial position while allowing them to get a better education playing the sport they love.

Of course....HHH players will make millions off their deals:)

I agree that HHH players will make mint wink
I don't think non-revenue athletes will be get the same "employee" status that football/basketball players. Non-revenue sports are already hits to the bottom line. They are lucky just to be in there. No chance they get more money from the university.

90% of 100+ rosters for football teams are already on full rides. As we all know, there are only 12.6 Full Rides for Lacrosse teams with rosters over 50 usually, and most of those are cut up into smalle pieces (unless you played Club for HHH, then you are getting a full ride for sure). So most of the lacrosse team is still paying for the privilege to play college lacrosse (consider it a really expensive club lacrosse experience). The thought that these students on the lacrosse team would become "employees" of the university seems not to line up.
whats up with the victim mentality around where is the love for the game
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thoughts on NIL in college lacrosse? Any chance we see a decline in quality at more elite athletes will look for a full rides and football NIL over playing basically for love of the game in college lacrosse?

I would not be surprised to see all athletes become "employees" of the university in the future. It will give a pathway for non-revenue athletes to improve their financial position while allowing them to get a better education playing the sport they love.

Of course....HHH players will make millions off their deals:)

I agree that HHH players will make mint wink
I don't think non-revenue athletes will be get the same "employee" status that football/basketball players. Non-revenue sports are already hits to the bottom line. They are lucky just to be in there. No chance they get more money from the university.

90% of 100+ rosters for football teams are already on full rides. As we all know, there are only 12.6 Full Rides for Lacrosse teams with rosters over 50 usually, and most of those are cut up into smalle pieces (unless you played Club for HHH, then you are getting a full ride for sure). So most of the lacrosse team is still paying for the privilege to play college lacrosse (consider it a really expensive club lacrosse experience). The thought that these students on the lacrosse team would become "employees" of the university seems not to line up.

I think the catch is that you cannot designate certain athletes as employees and others not employees. I'm not saying this will happen in the short term, but it does appear to be the case as legal challenges evolve. It allows athletes to participate in collective bargaining agreements on salary, services, and other rights that they do not currently have under this system.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thoughts on NIL in college lacrosse? Any chance we see a decline in quality at more elite athletes will look for a full rides and football NIL over playing basically for love of the game in college lacrosse?

I would not be surprised to see all athletes become "employees" of the university in the future. It will give a pathway for non-revenue athletes to improve their financial position while allowing them to get a better education playing the sport they love.

Of course....HHH players will make millions off their deals:)

I agree that HHH players will make mint wink
I don't think non-revenue athletes will be get the same "employee" status that football/basketball players. Non-revenue sports are already hits to the bottom line. They are lucky just to be in there. No chance they get more money from the university.

90% of 100+ rosters for football teams are already on full rides. As we all know, there are only 12.6 Full Rides for Lacrosse teams with rosters over 50 usually, and most of those are cut up into smalle pieces (unless you played Club for HHH, then you are getting a full ride for sure). So most of the lacrosse team is still paying for the privilege to play college lacrosse (consider it a really expensive club lacrosse experience). The thought that these students on the lacrosse team would become "employees" of the university seems not to line up.

I think the catch is that you cannot designate certain athletes as employees and others not employees. I'm not saying this will happen in the short term, but it does appear to be the case as legal challenges evolve. It allows athletes to participate in collective bargaining agreements on salary, services, and other rights that they do not currently have under this system.

interesting. Sounds like it's going to be total mess. I totally get where football and basketball players have a leg to stand on this argument over compensation since the universities bring in so much revenue for those teams. Essentially football funds all the other sports programs for the university. What kind of argument do athletes on the lacrosse team have? Considering that most schools are charging a very small ticket fee for GA, I guess there is some money coming in from the conference tv deals. What does any of this mean for non-football/basketball athletes?
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At the private's like Haverford, EA and Malvern the club's actually interfere with their practices, schedules because they are allowed to practice more so those schools not a big fan of club once kids are starting on those teams. PIAA schools cannot practice as much so clubs more important for development even in high school. Team Ten has a lot of Interac kids in their program at all grades but they have kids from all schools so not really a feeder to one, but I do think they try to avoid scheduling conflicts when they can.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
How much influence do Interac politics/old boys club have over Club lacrosse in our area?

More than they should

This question doesn’t make any sense.

There was a time when certain club teams were feeding into certain schools, but it tended to make geographical sense for the most part...MESA fed Haverford. Freedom and Rising Sons fed into Malvern. NXT was feeding EA. Currently, Delco feeds Ridley, Fusion feeds Unionville, and Black Bear feeds Perkiomen Valley.

I have been hearing a lot about MP and Haverford starting to recruit into Maryland.

Gotta love any comment starting with “I’ve been hearing a lot…”
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At the private's like Haverford, EA and Malvern the club's actually interfere with their practices, schedules because they are allowed to practice more so those schools not a big fan of club once kids are starting on those teams. PIAA schools cannot practice as much so clubs more important for development even in high school. Team Ten has a lot of Interac kids in their program at all grades but they have kids from all schools so not really a feeder to one, but I do think they try to avoid scheduling conflicts when they can.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How much influence do Interac politics/old boys club have over Club lacrosse in our area?

More than they should

This question doesn’t make any sense.

There was a time when certain club teams were feeding into certain schools, but it tended to make geographical sense for the most part...MESA fed Haverford. Freedom and Rising Sons fed into Malvern. NXT was feeding EA. Currently, Delco feeds Ridley, Fusion feeds Unionville, and Black Bear feeds Perkiomen Valley.

I have been hearing a lot about MP and Haverford starting to recruit into Maryland.

So when a student athlete from (insert any location) attends an open house, takes an entrance exam &/or applies to a private school now that school is suddenly recruiting from that area. Gotcha.
The Harford county to Haverford pipeline is solid as oak.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How much influence do Interac politics/old boys club have over Club lacrosse in our area?

More than they should

This question doesn’t make any sense.

There was a time when certain club teams were feeding into certain schools, but it tended to make geographical sense for the most part...MESA fed Haverford. Freedom and Rising Sons fed into Malvern. NXT was feeding EA. Currently, Delco feeds Ridley, Fusion feeds Unionville, and Black Bear feeds Perkiomen Valley.

Come one, no club feeds public schools! Public schools feed clubs. Nobody has moved into a school district so they could play on a particular club. Friends from public schools tend to flock to the same club, particularly if they are not high level players.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
At the private's like Haverford, EA and Malvern the club's actually interfere with their practices, schedules because they are allowed to practice more so those schools not a big fan of club once kids are starting on those teams. PIAA schools cannot practice as much so clubs more important for development even in high school. Team Ten has a lot of Interac kids in their program at all grades but they have kids from all schools so not really a feeder to one, but I do think they try to avoid scheduling conflicts when they can.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How much influence do Interac politics/old boys club have over Club lacrosse in our area?

More than they should

This question doesn’t make any sense.

There was a time when certain club teams were feeding into certain schools, but it tended to make geographical sense for the most part...MESA fed Haverford. Freedom and Rising Sons fed into Malvern. NXT was feeding EA. Currently, Delco feeds Ridley, Fusion feeds Unionville, and Black Bear feeds Perkiomen Valley.

I have been hearing a lot about MP and Haverford starting to recruit into Maryland.

So when a student athlete from (insert any location) attends an open house, takes an entrance exam &/or applies to a private school now that school is suddenly recruiting from that area. Gotcha.

When coaches and alumni are calling and texting players I would say yes that is recruiting.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not sure what is meant entirely by the question, but there is absolutely a positive bias towards private school players. So if you are trying out for a club and from a certain private school you are assumed to be a better player and definitely given an advantage. As someone who loves the game and has been involved with it for many years it is disappointing to see the increasing influence private schools and thus wealth is having on players opportunities. If you go back even 10-15 years ago this was not the case. I’m so tired of people saying they want to grow the game, when recent actions have only increasingly limited access. There are so many great players at public schools who never get recognized or even a chance to develop. It would be nice for people who say they truly care about the game to take action to decrease the influence of wealth and increase the opportunities and access for all players. If you compare to the girls game it is not this bad. The more great athletes playing would benefit everyone.
Stop whining dude. If your kid is at a public school, do the extra work to get him recognized. Get him on a good club team…have him do the elite showcases. Or grow a set and send him to one of the private schools. There is plenty of financial aid for families willing to sacrifice for a top notch education.

You are literally proving his point. Extra work sometimes requires private lessons or work outs...money. Showcases...money. And people living pay check to pay check don't have the ability to sacrifice any more to go to a private school. You really showed your true colors telling some one who is not as privileged as you to "grow a set" and send a child to a private school. Lacrosse is a very privileged sport compared to other sports. And anyone who does not believe that is very lucky to be where they are in society.
Yes, when compared to hockey
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thoughts on NIL in college lacrosse? Any chance we see a decline in quality at more elite athletes will look for a full rides and football NIL over playing basically for love of the game in college lacrosse?

I would not be surprised to see all athletes become "employees" of the university in the future. It will give a pathway for non-revenue athletes to improve their financial position while allowing them to get a better education playing the sport they love.

Of course....HHH players will make millions off their deals:)

I agree that HHH players will make mint wink
I don't think non-revenue athletes will be get the same "employee" status that football/basketball players. Non-revenue sports are already hits to the bottom line. They are lucky just to be in there. No chance they get more money from the university.

90% of 100+ rosters for football teams are already on full rides. As we all know, there are only 12.6 Full Rides for Lacrosse teams with rosters over 50 usually, and most of those are cut up into smalle pieces (unless you played Club for HHH, then you are getting a full ride for sure). So most of the lacrosse team is still paying for the privilege to play college lacrosse (consider it a really expensive club lacrosse experience). The thought that these students on the lacrosse team would become "employees" of the university seems not to line up.

I think the catch is that you cannot designate certain athletes as employees and others not employees. I'm not saying this will happen in the short term, but it does appear to be the case as legal challenges evolve. It allows athletes to participate in collective bargaining agreements on salary, services, and other rights that they do not currently have under this system.

interesting. Sounds like it's going to be total mess. I totally get where football and basketball players have a leg to stand on this argument over compensation since the universities bring in so much revenue for those teams. Essentially football funds all the other sports programs for the university. What kind of argument do athletes on the lacrosse team have? Considering that most schools are charging a very small ticket fee for GA, I guess there is some money coming in from the conference tv deals. What does any of this mean for non-football/basketball athletes?
Food for thought- ticket prices for lacrosse games vs donations from lacrosse alumni. Just saying, all those HHH kids making mint are gonna give back to the U over the years. And love the 90% of 100+ kids are on scholarship. 85 of 100+ kids are on scholarship. Thats how many football gets.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not sure what is meant entirely by the question, but there is absolutely a positive bias towards private school players. So if you are trying out for a club and from a certain private school you are assumed to be a better player and definitely given an advantage. As someone who loves the game and has been involved with it for many years it is disappointing to see the increasing influence private schools and thus wealth is having on players opportunities. If you go back even 10-15 years ago this was not the case. I’m so tired of people saying they want to grow the game, when recent actions have only increasingly limited access. There are so many great players at public schools who never get recognized or even a chance to develop. It would be nice for people who say they truly care about the game to take action to decrease the influence of wealth and increase the opportunities and access for all players. If you compare to the girls game it is not this bad. The more great athletes playing would benefit everyone.
Stop whining dude. If your kid is at a public school, do the extra work to get him recognized. Get him on a good club team…have him do the elite showcases. Or grow a set and send him to one of the private schools. There is plenty of financial aid for families willing to sacrifice for a top notch education.

You are literally proving his point. Extra work sometimes requires private lessons or work outs...money. Showcases...money. And people living pay check to pay check don't have the ability to sacrifice any more to go to a private school. You really showed your true colors telling some one who is not as privileged as you to "grow a set" and send a child to a private school. Lacrosse is a very privileged sport compared to other sports. And anyone who does not believe that is very lucky to be where they are in society.
Yes, when compared to hockey
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thoughts on NIL in college lacrosse? Any chance we see a decline in quality at more elite athletes will look for a full rides and football NIL over playing basically for love of the game in college lacrosse?

I would not be surprised to see all athletes become "employees" of the university in the future. It will give a pathway for non-revenue athletes to improve their financial position while allowing them to get a better education playing the sport they love.

Of course....HHH players will make millions off their deals:)

I agree that HHH players will make mint wink
I don't think non-revenue athletes will be get the same "employee" status that football/basketball players. Non-revenue sports are already hits to the bottom line. They are lucky just to be in there. No chance they get more money from the university.

90% of 100+ rosters for football teams are already on full rides. As we all know, there are only 12.6 Full Rides for Lacrosse teams with rosters over 50 usually, and most of those are cut up into smalle pieces (unless you played Club for HHH, then you are getting a full ride for sure). So most of the lacrosse team is still paying for the privilege to play college lacrosse (consider it a really expensive club lacrosse experience). The thought that these students on the lacrosse team would become "employees" of the university seems not to line up.

I think the catch is that you cannot designate certain athletes as employees and others not employees. I'm not saying this will happen in the short term, but it does appear to be the case as legal challenges evolve. It allows athletes to participate in collective bargaining agreements on salary, services, and other rights that they do not currently have under this system.

interesting. Sounds like it's going to be total mess. I totally get where football and basketball players have a leg to stand on this argument over compensation since the universities bring in so much revenue for those teams. Essentially football funds all the other sports programs for the university. What kind of argument do athletes on the lacrosse team have? Considering that most schools are charging a very small ticket fee for GA, I guess there is some money coming in from the conference tv deals. What does any of this mean for non-football/basketball athletes?
Food for thought- ticket prices for lacrosse games vs donations from lacrosse alumni. Just saying, all those HHH kids making mint are gonna give back to the U over the years. And love the 90% of 100+ kids are on scholarship. 85 of 100+ kids are on scholarship. Thats how many football gets.

The 85 football number is correct for only the largest programs. There are 129 teams in this category.

D1-FCS have 63 equivalents. 125 teams in this category. On average players get 60% scholarship.

D2 - 36 equivalents. On average around 35%.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not sure what is meant entirely by the question, but there is absolutely a positive bias towards private school players. So if you are trying out for a club and from a certain private school you are assumed to be a better player and definitely given an advantage. As someone who loves the game and has been involved with it for many years it is disappointing to see the increasing influence private schools and thus wealth is having on players opportunities. If you go back even 10-15 years ago this was not the case. I’m so tired of people saying they want to grow the game, when recent actions have only increasingly limited access. There are so many great players at public schools who never get recognized or even a chance to develop. It would be nice for people who say they truly care about the game to take action to decrease the influence of wealth and increase the opportunities and access for all players. If you compare to the girls game it is not this bad. The more great athletes playing would benefit everyone.
Stop whining dude. If your kid is at a public school, do the extra work to get him recognized. Get him on a good club team…have him do the elite showcases. Or grow a set and send him to one of the private schools. There is plenty of financial aid for families willing to sacrifice for a top notch education.

You are literally proving his point. Extra work sometimes requires private lessons or work outs...money. Showcases...money. And people living pay check to pay check don't have the ability to sacrifice any more to go to a private school. You really showed your true colors telling some one who is not as privileged as you to "grow a set" and send a child to a private school. Lacrosse is a very privileged sport compared to other sports. And anyone who does not believe that is very lucky to be where they are in society.
Yes, when compared to hockey
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thoughts on NIL in college lacrosse? Any chance we see a decline in quality at more elite athletes will look for a full rides and football NIL over playing basically for love of the game in college lacrosse?

I would not be surprised to see all athletes become "employees" of the university in the future. It will give a pathway for non-revenue athletes to improve their financial position while allowing them to get a better education playing the sport they love.

Of course....HHH players will make millions off their deals:)

I agree that HHH players will make mint wink
I don't think non-revenue athletes will be get the same "employee" status that football/basketball players. Non-revenue sports are already hits to the bottom line. They are lucky just to be in there. No chance they get more money from the university.

90% of 100+ rosters for football teams are already on full rides. As we all know, there are only 12.6 Full Rides for Lacrosse teams with rosters over 50 usually, and most of those are cut up into smalle pieces (unless you played Club for HHH, then you are getting a full ride for sure). So most of the lacrosse team is still paying for the privilege to play college lacrosse (consider it a really expensive club lacrosse experience). The thought that these students on the lacrosse team would become "employees" of the university seems not to line up.

I think the catch is that you cannot designate certain athletes as employees and others not employees. I'm not saying this will happen in the short term, but it does appear to be the case as legal challenges evolve. It allows athletes to participate in collective bargaining agreements on salary, services, and other rights that they do not currently have under this system.

interesting. Sounds like it's going to be total mess. I totally get where football and basketball players have a leg to stand on this argument over compensation since the universities bring in so much revenue for those teams. Essentially football funds all the other sports programs for the university. What kind of argument do athletes on the lacrosse team have? Considering that most schools are charging a very small ticket fee for GA, I guess there is some money coming in from the conference tv deals. What does any of this mean for non-football/basketball athletes?
Food for thought- ticket prices for lacrosse games vs donations from lacrosse alumni. Just saying, all those HHH kids making mint are gonna give back to the U over the years. And love the 90% of 100+ kids are on scholarship. 85 of 100+ kids are on scholarship. Thats how many football gets.

The 85 football number is correct for only the largest programs. There are 129 teams in this category.

D1-FCS have 63 equivalents. 125 teams in this category. On average players get 60% scholarship.

D2 - 36 equivalents. On average around 35%.


D1-FBS is all was considering from an NIL perspective. I doubt there is much NIL money pouring into D1-FCS/D2 progrums. Apologies for misleading the public regarding 90% vs 85 actual scholarships. I have been dunked on and posterized.

Just posing the question would players like Jared Bernhardt still choose lacrosse out of high school if the football team is offering him a full ride plus $50k/year in NIL to play football (again assumption being that Lacrosse NIL money is fairly non-existent).

Maybe those HHH '25 Parents out there can confirm or deny how much NIL money is getting thrown their way. They are the cream of the crop. Let's hear it from them.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not sure what is meant entirely by the question, but there is absolutely a positive bias towards private school players. So if you are trying out for a club and from a certain private school you are assumed to be a better player and definitely given an advantage. As someone who loves the game and has been involved with it for many years it is disappointing to see the increasing influence private schools and thus wealth is having on players opportunities. If you go back even 10-15 years ago this was not the case. I’m so tired of people saying they want to grow the game, when recent actions have only increasingly limited access. There are so many great players at public schools who never get recognized or even a chance to develop. It would be nice for people who say they truly care about the game to take action to decrease the influence of wealth and increase the opportunities and access for all players. If you compare to the girls game it is not this bad. The more great athletes playing would benefit everyone.
Stop whining dude. If your kid is at a public school, do the extra work to get him recognized. Get him on a good club team…have him do the elite showcases. Or grow a set and send him to one of the private schools. There is plenty of financial aid for families willing to sacrifice for a top notch education.

You are literally proving his point. Extra work sometimes requires private lessons or work outs...money. Showcases...money. And people living pay check to pay check don't have the ability to sacrifice any more to go to a private school. You really showed your true colors telling some one who is not as privileged as you to "grow a set" and send a child to a private school. Lacrosse is a very privileged sport compared to other sports. And anyone who does not believe that is very lucky to be where they are in society.
Yes, when compared to hockey
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thoughts on NIL in college lacrosse? Any chance we see a decline in quality at more elite athletes will look for a full rides and football NIL over playing basically for love of the game in college lacrosse?

I would not be surprised to see all athletes become "employees" of the university in the future. It will give a pathway for non-revenue athletes to improve their financial position while allowing them to get a better education playing the sport they love.

Of course....HHH players will make millions off their deals:)

I agree that HHH players will make mint wink
I don't think non-revenue athletes will be get the same "employee" status that football/basketball players. Non-revenue sports are already hits to the bottom line. They are lucky just to be in there. No chance they get more money from the university.

90% of 100+ rosters for football teams are already on full rides. As we all know, there are only 12.6 Full Rides for Lacrosse teams with rosters over 50 usually, and most of those are cut up into smalle pieces (unless you played Club for HHH, then you are getting a full ride for sure). So most of the lacrosse team is still paying for the privilege to play college lacrosse (consider it a really expensive club lacrosse experience). The thought that these students on the lacrosse team would become "employees" of the university seems not to line up.

I think the catch is that you cannot designate certain athletes as employees and others not employees. I'm not saying this will happen in the short term, but it does appear to be the case as legal challenges evolve. It allows athletes to participate in collective bargaining agreements on salary, services, and other rights that they do not currently have under this system.

interesting. Sounds like it's going to be total mess. I totally get where football and basketball players have a leg to stand on this argument over compensation since the universities bring in so much revenue for those teams. Essentially football funds all the other sports programs for the university. What kind of argument do athletes on the lacrosse team have? Considering that most schools are charging a very small ticket fee for GA, I guess there is some money coming in from the conference tv deals. What does any of this mean for non-football/basketball athletes?
Food for thought- ticket prices for lacrosse games vs donations from lacrosse alumni. Just saying, all those HHH kids making mint are gonna give back to the U over the years. And love the 90% of 100+ kids are on scholarship. 85 of 100+ kids are on scholarship. Thats how many football gets.

The 85 football number is correct for only the largest programs. There are 129 teams in this category.

D1-FCS have 63 equivalents. 125 teams in this category. On average players get 60% scholarship.

D2 - 36 equivalents. On average around 35%.


D1-FBS is all was considering from an NIL perspective. I doubt there is much NIL money pouring into D1-FCS/D2 progrums. Apologies for misleading the public regarding 90% vs 85 actual scholarships. I have been dunked on and posterized.

Just posing the question would players like Jared Bernhardt still choose lacrosse out of high school if the football team is offering him a full ride plus $50k/year in NIL to play football (again assumption being that Lacrosse NIL money is fairly non-existent).

Maybe those HHH '25 Parents out there can confirm or deny how much NIL money is getting thrown their way. They are the cream of the crop. Let's hear it from them.

I don't suppose most dual sport athletes opt for lacrosse if they are being offered better deals in football. You would have to be kind of fool to pass on a full ride plus $50k. (Not to mention, the irrational hope of football glory and future earnings.) The lacrosse money is so limited as to hardly be worth major consideration. I don't know many D1 lax players. I only know one star player personally who had alumni provide enough money for graduate school to allow him to stay and play at a top tier school and use his last covid year of eligibility. I suspect there will be some alumni who will fund NIL money to attract talent. Penn lax alumni are well connected and have given lots of opportunities for Penn lax players moving into private equity. It would not surprise me if they would help fund recruiting efforts. Given the Ivy's are non-scholarship, I don't know if they would exploit that or shun it.
Ivy’s are not involved with NIL (yet). And the comment about a multi-sport athlete being a fool to choose lacrosse is very short-sighted. Perhaps a multi-sport athlete’s favorite sport is lacrosse OR that multi-sport athlete has an opportunity to get a degree from a school with lacrosse that is far superior to any opportunity in another sport.
There is NIL money in lacrosse but nowhere near what you see in revenue sports like football & basketball (not even close). NIL is big business for the Power 5 football conferences so expect to see lacrosse programs from Big 10, ACC etc to have an advantage over teams from smaller football/basketball conferences.
Juniors Open 2024 Boys a good showcase?
Sports are the short game and your degree/network is the long game. Even if an Ivy is $240k for 4 years these kids get out of there making $150k a year first job a lot of times. A lot of people do not understand how the service academies(no tuition in exchange for serving your country), Ivy or top tier schools like Duke, Georgetown, Hopkins or high academic D3 schools work. You are entering into a network that will set you up for the rest of your life. Without lacrosse these kids probably do not get in. It is like how compound interest works when you go to these schools you are compounding your income for the rest of your life if you do things right and take advantage of it.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not sure what is meant entirely by the question, but there is absolutely a positive bias towards private school players. So if you are trying out for a club and from a certain private school you are assumed to be a better player and definitely given an advantage. As someone who loves the game and has been involved with it for many years it is disappointing to see the increasing influence private schools and thus wealth is having on players opportunities. If you go back even 10-15 years ago this was not the case. I’m so tired of people saying they want to grow the game, when recent actions have only increasingly limited access. There are so many great players at public schools who never get recognized or even a chance to develop. It would be nice for people who say they truly care about the game to take action to decrease the influence of wealth and increase the opportunities and access for all players. If you compare to the girls game it is not this bad. The more great athletes playing would benefit everyone.
Stop whining dude. If your kid is at a public school, do the extra work to get him recognized. Get him on a good club team…have him do the elite showcases. Or grow a set and send him to one of the private schools. There is plenty of financial aid for families willing to sacrifice for a top notch education.

You are literally proving his point. Extra work sometimes requires private lessons or work outs...money. Showcases...money. And people living pay check to pay check don't have the ability to sacrifice any more to go to a private school. You really showed your true colors telling some one who is not as privileged as you to "grow a set" and send a child to a private school. Lacrosse is a very privileged sport compared to other sports. And anyone who does not believe that is very lucky to be where they are in society.
Financial Aid is abundant at these schools. My family lived paycheck to paycheck for a while. We gave up vacations. Added a second income. We sacrificed. And you are right….we are very lucky to be where we are now. There are bunches just like us doing the same thing. It is very do-able. All you have to do is look into it and stop whining.
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Sports are the short game and your degree/network is the long game. Even if an Ivy is $240k for 4 years these kids get out of there making $150k a year first job a lot of times. A lot of people do not understand how the service academies(no tuition in exchange for serving your country), Ivy or top tier schools like Duke, Georgetown, Hopkins or high academic D3 schools work. You are entering into a network that will set you up for the rest of your life. Without lacrosse these kids probably do not get in. It is like how compound interest works when you go to these schools you are compounding your income for the rest of your life if you do things right and take advantage of it.

This is only true for select majors. I recently had an applicant Harvard undergrad Columbia grade school for a $45k a year starting salary. Majored in something like East Asian studies and grad degree in something else almost as useless. If your kid wants to major in something useless, they should go to the cheapest school available. I have also hired Penn History majors and Urban Studies. Cost just as much as finance and much lower ROI. I doubt the Penn Nursing grad is paid anymore than the Penn State Nursing grad.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sports are the short game and your degree/network is the long game. Even if an Ivy is $240k for 4 years these kids get out of there making $150k a year first job a lot of times. A lot of people do not understand how the service academies(no tuition in exchange for serving your country), Ivy or top tier schools like Duke, Georgetown, Hopkins or high academic D3 schools work. You are entering into a network that will set you up for the rest of your life. Without lacrosse these kids probably do not get in. It is like how compound interest works when you go to these schools you are compounding your income for the rest of your life if you do things right and take advantage of it.

This is only true for select majors. I recently had an applicant Harvard undergrad Columbia grade school for a $45k a year starting salary. Majored in something like East Asian studies and grad degree in something else almost as useless. If your kid wants to major in something useless, they should go to the cheapest school available. I have also hired Penn History majors and Urban Studies. Cost just as much as finance and much lower ROI. I doubt the Penn Nursing grad is paid anymore than the Penn State Nursing grad.

The reality of getting recruited to the ivies/duke, etc are ridiculous. Top Tier Athlete + Top Tier Student is hard to come by and most likely aint your son. If it is, you have great genetics and have done a great job parenting. I agree with guy above. Getting into the ivies is amazing, but if you blow your opportunity on some non-essential major, that is on you. I do doubt lacrosse players that make it to the ivies would ever find themselves in one of those dead end majors (see point above about great parenting most likely happening). Honestly though, I bet east asian studies is not as bad as you think given the current global climate. Plenty of 3 letter agencies probably looking for those graduates. And Nursing is a great profession no matter what (I understand what you are saying about PSU vs UPENN, but come on... That degree is in high demand and those people bust their humps to help people)
I was making 2 points: if you love the game and think it is good for kids, logically it would be better for there to be as much opportunity as possible. Yes, families might be able to scrimp and sacrifice, but at the end of the day it is reducing the number of lacrosse athletes and the impact of the game. There is no reason for the system to function this way. If people truly cared about expanding the game there would be more support for rec programs, public schools and recruitment from public schools. The girls game is not nearly as elitist. Point #2 is that people in the lacrosse world love to claim it is a pure meritocracy and the best athletes/players are the ones who will shine, get recruited, etc. If you are “good” you will be found. Please educate yourself about how the world works and the role of opportunity. Just be honest about the fact that Johnny gets recruited by Penn State because his dad played there and his uncle knows the coach, etc…
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I was making 2 points: if you love the game and think it is good for kids, logically it would be better for there to be as much opportunity as possible. Yes, families might be able to scrimp and sacrifice, but at the end of the day it is reducing the number of lacrosse athletes and the impact of the game. There is no reason for the system to function this way. If people truly cared about expanding the game there would be more support for rec programs, public schools and recruitment from public schools. The girls game is not nearly as elitist. Point #2 is that people in the lacrosse world love to claim it is a pure meritocracy and the best athletes/players are the ones who will shine, get recruited, etc. If you are “good” you will be found. Please educate yourself about how the world works and the role of opportunity. Just be honest about the fact that Johnny gets recruited by Penn State because his dad played there and his uncle knows the coach, etc…

Yes. I totally agree with what you are saying. The game did expand a bit geographically, and people start freaking out about fly ins.

There used to be joy associated with the game (listen to the way Lyle Thompson talks about the game). As clubs have become more and more prominent ( at the expense of rec teams) the fun/joy of just playing the game has been completely [Censored] out. Which is why it’s not growing at the pace it should be and it’s basically stagnating (if not declining) from a participating perspective.

I don’t disagree on the meritocracy. It’s just the way it works. Always going to be the rich donor who gets his kid a vanity spot on the team: I’m assuming those recruits get the swag and ride the bench for 4-5 years. Everybody gets what they want. While it does take a spot away from a more deserving kid, it’s not impacting very many people as if it were happening at a much lower age group.
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Juniors Open 2024 Boys a good showcase?
Define good showcase?
- Location- Moving around Philly was less than an ideal. Kids hiking 2 miles in the heat from hotel to field [Censored]. No offense to UPenn but its not even an great stadium or facilities so location gets a 2/5
- Talent- Def had 4 star talent with a few 5 stars 4/5
- Coaches- YES, all were there….and several mentioned having seen my son play well there during recruiting (4 star) 5/5
- Timing- it was early in the season so the boy was fresh off HS season and not tired. where it sat in the season to make 5/5
- Cost- are they still charging to be evaluated, that was shadey at best. Hotel rooms in Philly are more expensive than most locations. 3/5
- Swag- got some cool gear tbh. Think the hoodie he got was his favorite of the summer but not gloves and helmet like Showtiime……with that said, found Showtime difficult with everyone wearing the same helmet, gloves and shorts. 5/5
- All in all, having been to pretty much every single showcase, this event is much better with Schrieber running it then the low down thief that had it before.
- According to the boy, the kids see the showcase pecking order as Showtime, Main Stage and Juniors.
- Overall Rizz Rating 4.5
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Sports are the short game and your degree/network is the long game. Even if an Ivy is $240k for 4 years these kids get out of there making $150k a year first job a lot of times. A lot of people do not understand how the service academies(no tuition in exchange for serving your country), Ivy or top tier schools like Duke, Georgetown, Hopkins or high academic D3 schools work. You are entering into a network that will set you up for the rest of your life. Without lacrosse these kids probably do not get in. It is like how compound interest works when you go to these schools you are compounding your income for the rest of your life if you do things right and take advantage of it.
#facts #logic is this still BOTC? It’s not about the 4 years, it’s about the 40+ after school.
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Juniors Open 2024 Boys a good showcase?
Define good showcase?
- Location- Moving around Philly was less than an ideal. Kids hiking 2 miles in the heat from hotel to field [Censored]. No offense to UPenn but its not even an great stadium or facilities so location gets a 2/5
- Talent- Def had 4 star talent with a few 5 stars 4/5
- Coaches- YES, all were there….and several mentioned having seen my son play well there during recruiting (4 star) 5/5
- Timing- it was early in the season so the boy was fresh off HS season and not tired. where it sat in the season to make 5/5
- Cost- are they still charging to be evaluated, that was shadey at best. Hotel rooms in Philly are more expensive than most locations. 3/5
- Swag- got some cool gear tbh. Think the hoodie he got was his favorite of the summer but not gloves and helmet like Showtiime……with that said, found Showtime difficult with everyone wearing the same helmet, gloves and shorts. 5/5
- All in all, having been to pretty much every single showcase, this event is much better with Schrieber running it then the low down thief that had it before.
- According to the boy, the kids see the showcase pecking order as Showtime, Main Stage and Juniors.
- Overall Rizz Rating 4.5

If you are paying for all those showcases, you are getting ripped off. You need to develop a better plan for schools that your son is interested in. I’m not trying to knock what you have done but there is a much better pathway. College coaches will tell you (when they are not getting paid to show up) that watching showcases are a joke. Defenders cheat up and kids hog the ball.
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Juniors Open 2024 Boys a good showcase?
Define good showcase?
- Location- Moving around Philly was less than an ideal. Kids hiking 2 miles in the heat from hotel to field [Censored]. No offense to UPenn but its not even an great stadium or facilities so location gets a 2/5
- Talent- Def had 4 star talent with a few 5 stars 4/5
- Coaches- YES, all were there….and several mentioned having seen my son play well there during recruiting (4 star) 5/5
- Timing- it was early in the season so the boy was fresh off HS season and not tired. where it sat in the season to make 5/5
- Cost- are they still charging to be evaluated, that was shadey at best. Hotel rooms in Philly are more expensive than most locations. 3/5
- Swag- got some cool gear tbh. Think the hoodie he got was his favorite of the summer but not gloves and helmet like Showtiime……with that said, found Showtime difficult with everyone wearing the same helmet, gloves and shorts. 5/5
- All in all, having been to pretty much every single showcase, this event is much better with Schrieber running it then the low down thief that had it before.
- According to the boy, the kids see the showcase pecking order as Showtime, Main Stage and Juniors.
- Overall Rizz Rating 4.5

If you are paying for all those showcases, you are getting ripped off. You need to develop a better plan for schools that your son is interested in. I’m not trying to knock what you have done but there is a much better pathway. College coaches will tell you (when they are not getting paid to show up) that watching showcases are a joke. Defenders cheat up and kids hog the ball.
Appreciate the opinion and advice and somewhat agree. You dont need to do all the showcases and should be focused on targeting schools. I was surprised how many coaches we spoke to during the recruiting process that put high value on prospect days. We didnt do any.

Now, where you are wrong is our need to find a new approach. We did all showcases this summer because it was our last run and my son LOVES to play lacrosse. Ask him wha he wants to do and he wants to find a lacrosse game. We also did all because it gave us the ability to adjust based on how he was playing/feeling. It is a long summer so playing hurt and not showing well was something we wanted to hedge against. So it def wasn’t a rip off as we controlled our narrative but def did not need to play all of them. Ultimately it paid off since he was able to pick his school and got a very nice deal but every coach said they saw him play a lot this summer and loved his durability but def didnt think he needed to play that much. To each his own.

Recommendation, take the spots you can get in the top showcases, ride your club director, friends, former teammates, alums, coworkers and ANY connection you have to get to coaches .and do the prospect days of schools you are targeting.
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Sports are the short game and your degree/network is the long game. Even if an Ivy is $240k for 4 years these kids get out of there making $150k a year first job a lot of times. A lot of people do not understand how the service academies(no tuition in exchange for serving your country), Ivy or top tier schools like Duke, Georgetown, Hopkins or high academic D3 schools work. You are entering into a network that will set you up for the rest of your life. Without lacrosse these kids probably do not get in. It is like how compound interest works when you go to these schools you are compounding your income for the rest of your life if you do things right and take advantage of it.
#facts #logic is this still BOTC? It’s not about the 4 years, it’s about the 40+ after school.

This is a valid statement. Of course it works both ways. There are only a handful of high academic schools. The vast majority of spots are at schools you’ve probably never heard of or would never consider in a vacuum without lacrosse. That is the trap far too many fall into. Honestly who in our are would consider Holy Family? Yet there are now kids committing there to play D2 Lacrosse for a program that lost their first head coach before they assembled their first team.
Most people need to come to the conclusion that lacrosse sticks should be hung up for good after high school. It’s hard to do that when your parents have invested probably 20k or more in club lacrosse since the age of 10
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Juniors Open 2024 Boys a good showcase?
Define good showcase?
- Location- Moving around Philly was less than an ideal. Kids hiking 2 miles in the heat from hotel to field [Censored]. No offense to UPenn but its not even an great stadium or facilities so location gets a 2/5
- Talent- Def had 4 star talent with a few 5 stars 4/5
- Coaches- YES, all were there….and several mentioned having seen my son play well there during recruiting (4 star) 5/5
- Timing- it was early in the season so the boy was fresh off HS season and not tired. where it sat in the season to make 5/5
- Cost- are they still charging to be evaluated, that was shadey at best. Hotel rooms in Philly are more expensive than most locations. 3/5
- Swag- got some cool gear tbh. Think the hoodie he got was his favorite of the summer but not gloves and helmet like Showtiime……with that said, found Showtime difficult with everyone wearing the same helmet, gloves and shorts. 5/5
- All in all, having been to pretty much every single showcase, this event is much better with Schrieber running it then the low down thief that had it before.
- According to the boy, the kids see the showcase pecking order as Showtime, Main Stage and Juniors.
- Overall Rizz Rating 4.5

If you are paying for all those showcases, you are getting ripped off. You need to develop a better plan for schools that your son is interested in. I’m not trying to knock what you have done but there is a much better pathway. College coaches will tell you (when they are not getting paid to show up) that watching showcases are a joke. Defenders cheat up and kids hog the ball.
Appreciate the opinion and advice and somewhat agree. You dont need to do all the showcases and should be focused on targeting schools. I was surprised how many coaches we spoke to during the recruiting process that put high value on prospect days. We didnt do any.

Now, where you are wrong is our need to find a new approach. We did all showcases this summer because it was our last run and my son LOVES to play lacrosse. Ask him wha he wants to do and he wants to find a lacrosse game. We also did all because it gave us the ability to adjust based on how he was playing/feeling. It is a long summer so playing hurt and not showing well was something we wanted to hedge against. So it def wasn’t a rip off as we controlled our narrative but def did not need to play all of them. Ultimately it paid off since he was able to pick his school and got a very nice deal but every coach said they saw him play a lot this summer and loved his durability but def didnt think he needed to play that much. To each his own.

Recommendation, take the spots you can get in the top showcases, ride your club director, friends, former teammates, alums, coworkers and ANY connection you have to get to coaches .and do the prospect days of schools you are targeting.

Agreed. And ask your high school coach & club coach their honest opinion where they slot you so you can focus on those type of schools Prospect Days. While prospect days are very helpful they are also a way for college coaches to make money. So make sure you are attending prospect days where you have legit opportunity to play at that level. Every school will gladly take your money to attend their prospect day. Choose wisely.
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Sports are the short game and your degree/network is the long game. Even if an Ivy is $240k for 4 years these kids get out of there making $150k a year first job a lot of times. A lot of people do not understand how the service academies(no tuition in exchange for serving your country), Ivy or top tier schools like Duke, Georgetown, Hopkins or high academic D3 schools work. You are entering into a network that will set you up for the rest of your life. Without lacrosse these kids probably do not get in. It is like how compound interest works when you go to these schools you are compounding your income for the rest of your life if you do things right and take advantage of it.

This is only true for select majors. I recently had an applicant Harvard undergrad Columbia grade school for a $45k a year starting salary. Majored in something like East Asian studies and grad degree in something else almost as useless. If your kid wants to major in something useless, they should go to the cheapest school available. I have also hired Penn History majors and Urban Studies. Cost just as much as finance and much lower ROI. I doubt the Penn Nursing grad is paid anymore than the Penn State Nursing grad.

The reality of getting recruited to the ivies/duke, etc are ridiculous. Top Tier Athlete + Top Tier Student is hard to come by and most likely aint your son. If it is, you have great genetics and have done a great job parenting. I agree with guy above. Getting into the ivies is amazing, but if you blow your opportunity on some non-essential major, that is on you. I do doubt lacrosse players that make it to the ivies would ever find themselves in one of those dead end majors (see point above about great parenting most likely happening). Honestly though, I bet east asian studies is not as bad as you think given the current global climate. Plenty of 3 letter agencies probably looking for those graduates. And Nursing is a great profession no matter what (I understand what you are saying about PSU vs UPENN, but come on... That degree is in high demand and those people bust their humps to help people)

I did not mean any offense to nursing. It is a great profession, that pays well and they do bust their humps to help people. It just does not make economic sense to get the nursing degree from Penn when you can get the same degree from Penn State for half or a third of the cost.
Packing up and heading down to Florida for MLK Weekend. Hope to see many of you there. #ironsharpensiron
New to Philadelphia area, my son is a 2030. My son is an above average player, seems like two very strong teams in the area, Dukes and Dogs. Obviously plan on talking to coaches but anyone have info, useful opinions, etc?
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New to Philadelphia area, my son is a 2030. My son is an above average player, seems like two very strong teams in the area, Dukes and Dogs. Obviously plan on talking to coaches but anyone have info, useful opinions, etc?

You have come to the right place. Where did you move from?
There are plenty of options for your son, outside if those two clubs. 2030 Dawgs played a tough schedule in fall, they are not as good as ranking shows. That team will come back to earth in Spring, guarantee it.
Rule #1: avoid teams with Dad coaches. Not as important in 6th grade but an important criteria as you get to High School. Might as well avoid now if possible.
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Rule #1: avoid teams with Dad coaches. Not as important in 6th grade but an important criteria as you get to High School. Might as well avoid now if possible.
Before high school, Ignore Rule #1. The best two 2027 were Mesa and Team TEN. Both Dad coaches. Both great. For high school, I would say avoid Dad coaches, it would be a sign of bad judgement on the coaches part as far as their son is concerned. My son was well coached by a "dad coach" and I would be happy to still be under his coaching.
…which means both those clubs are out.
Nice to see the Dukes parents are taking both of last weekend’s losses to PennLax and their lineup of mainly 2030 Dawgs players well.

Both clubs will get your son out for a practice and chance for you to evaluate what they have to offer you and your family.
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New to Philadelphia area, my son is a 2030. My son is an above average player, seems like two very strong teams in the area, Dukes and Dogs. Obviously plan on talking to coaches but anyone have info, useful opinions, etc?

I'll keep it simple since he is only in 6th grade and no scholarships will be handed out anytime soon. Start with where you live, if it is closer to the Main Line/Mont Co, go with Dukes. Closer to the Chester County area, go with Dawgs.

Re-evaluate after his 8th grade year and determine what HS he will go to and what club will best serve him if he hopes to get to the next level.

Last, have him attend a couple winter training sessions so he can get a feel for some of his peers. Blue Ox runs a great program but it is a few bucks. There are free events like Bishop Shanahan is running in February that brings middle schoolers together. A few of the rec programs run reasonable winter skill sessions as well.

Good luck.
Dukes or Dawgs that’s it?
I’d suggest looking at programs outside of those two as well: NXT, Freedom, HHH, TeamTen…
Don’t let those rankings obstruct your view of other programs
Box lacrosse is a lot different than what we’ll see in the Spring. Rack up all those medals during winter…that’ll be all you get.
Where is the popcorn-eating gif when you need it!?!
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Dukes or Dawgs that’s it?
I’d suggest looking at programs outside of those two as well: NXT, Freedom, HHH, TeamTen…
Don’t let those rankings obstruct your view of other programs

HHH all day. If your son has talent, he will get recruited out of HHH. Get in early in the youth program. You'll take a lump or two, but well worth the while when you get to High School and everybody is climbing on board.
BM will be selling shortly; everything will change for HHH
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Rule #1: avoid teams with Dad coaches. Not as important in 6th grade but an important criteria as you get to High School. Might as well avoid now if possible.
Before high school, Ignore Rule #1. The best two 2027 were Mesa and Team TEN. Both Dad coaches. Both great. For high school, I would say avoid Dad coaches, it would be a sign of bad judgement on the coaches part as far as their son is concerned. My son was well coached by a "dad coach" and I would be happy to still be under his coaching.
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Rule #1: avoid teams with Dad coaches. Not as important in 6th grade but an important criteria as you get to High School. Might as well avoid now if possible.
Before high school, Ignore Rule #1. The best two 2027 were Mesa and Team TEN. Both Dad coaches. Both great. For high school, I would say avoid Dad coaches, it would be a sign of bad judgement on the coaches part as far as their son is concerned. My son was well coached by a "dad coach" and I would be happy to still be under his coaching.

So your path would include making a switch to another club team for high school to avoid Dad coach? If your son is in middle school and you are looking for a new team you oughta avoid it now if possible. You want to find a good fit for your son in middle school in hopes of riding that wave into high school and only make a move if needed. You do NOT want a dad coach in high school.
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Rule #1: avoid teams with Dad coaches. Not as important in 6th grade but an important criteria as you get to High School. Might as well avoid now if possible.
Before high school, Ignore Rule #1. The best two 2027 were Mesa and Team TEN. Both Dad coaches. Both great. For high school, I would say avoid Dad coaches, it would be a sign of bad judgement on the coaches part as far as their son is concerned. My son was well coached by a "dad coach" and I would be happy to still be under his coaching.

So your path would include making a switch to another club team for high school to avoid Dad coach? If your son is in middle school and you are looking for a new team you oughta avoid it now if possible. You want to find a good fit for your son in middle school in hopes of riding that wave into high school and only make a move if needed. You do NOT want a dad coach in high school.[/quote]

What I am confident of is that the people whining about dad coaches have son's that are not good enough to make it clear they should be on the field instead of the dad coaches son. If your kid is a player, the dad coach will play him. If your kid is not up to standard you will switch to a team of lesser talent where your son plays more and the coach is a genius for seeing your son's talent. I don't think dads should coach high school, because I think it is a disservice to their son. I also think clubs that have professional coaches are better situated to prioritize recruiting. Most of the dad coaches I know do it for the love of the game (and to spend time with their sons) but have real jobs to keep them from focusing on getting players recruited. The notion that you had to switch clubs in high school to avoid having a dad coach is a false choice in our case.
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Not sure what is meant entirely by the question, but there is absolutely a positive bias towards private school players. So if you are trying out for a club and from a certain private school you are assumed to be a better player and definitely given an advantage. As someone who loves the game and has been involved with it for many years it is disappointing to see the increasing influence private schools and thus wealth is having on players opportunities. If you go back even 10-15 years ago this was not the case. I’m so tired of people saying they want to grow the game, when recent actions have only increasingly limited access. There are so many great players at public schools who never get recognized or even a chance to develop. It would be nice for people who say they truly care about the game to take action to decrease the influence of wealth and increase the opportunities and access for all players. If you compare to the girls game it is not this bad. The more great athletes playing would benefit everyone.
Stop whining dude. If your kid is at a public school, do the extra work to get him recognized. Get him on a good club team…have him do the elite showcases. Or grow a set and send him to one of the private schools. There is plenty of financial aid for families willing to sacrifice for a top notch education.

You are literally proving his point. Extra work sometimes requires private lessons or work outs...money. Showcases...money. And people living pay check to pay check don't have the ability to sacrifice any more to go to a private school. You really showed your true colors telling some one who is not as privileged as you to "grow a set" and send a child to a private school. Lacrosse is a very privileged sport compared to other sports. And anyone who does not believe that is very lucky to be where they are in society.
Yes, when compared to hockey
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[quote=Anonymous]Thoughts on NIL in college lacrosse? Any chance we see a decline in quality at more elite athletes will look for a full rides and football NIL over playing basically for love of the game in college lacrosse?

I would not be surprised to see all athletes become "employees" of the university in the future. It will give a pathway for non-revenue athletes to improve their financial position while allowing them to get a better education playing the sport they love.

Of course....HHH players will make millions off their deals:)

I agree that HHH players will make mint wink
I don't think non-revenue athletes will be get the same "employee" status that football/basketball players. Non-revenue sports are already hits to the bottom line. They are lucky just to be in there. No chance they get more money from the university.

90% of 100+ rosters for football teams are already on full rides. As we all know, there are only 12.6 Full Rides for Lacrosse teams with rosters over 50 usually, and most of those are cut up into smalle pieces (unless you played Club for HHH, then you are getting a full ride for sure). So most of the lacrosse team is still paying for the privilege to play college lacrosse (consider it a really expensive club lacrosse experience). The thought that these students on the lacrosse team would become "employees" of the university seems not to line up.

I think the catch is that you cannot designate certain athletes as employees and others not employees. I'm not saying this will happen in the short term, but it does appear to be the case as legal challenges evolve. It allows athletes to participate in collective bargaining agreements on salary, services, and other rights that they do not currently have under this system.

interesting. Sounds like it's going to be total mess. I totally get where football and basketball players have a leg to stand on this argument over compensation since the universities bring in so much revenue for those teams. Essentially football funds all the other sports programs for the university. What kind of argument do athletes on the lacrosse team have? Considering that most schools are charging a very small ticket fee for GA, I guess there is some money coming in from the conference tv deals. What does any of this mean for non-football/basketball athletes?
Food for thought- ticket prices for lacrosse games vs donations from lacrosse alumni. Just saying, all those HHH kids making mint are gonna give back to the U over the years. And love the 90% of 100+ kids are on scholarship. 85 of 100+ kids are on scholarship. Thats how many football gets.

The 85 football number is correct for only the largest programs. There are 129 teams in this category.

D1-FCS have 63 equivalents. 125 teams in this category. On average players get 60% scholarship.

D2 - 36 equivalents. On average around 35%.

Another sport to get this funds.Fottball
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BM will be selling shortly; everything will change for HHH

Smart move by BM to get the bag before the well runs completely dry. Gonna be a massive decline in recruitng activity (at least the top tier D1s that they are known for) now that that â€25 class is mostly locked up. Unless the â€32 birddogs bring the swagger back.
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BM will be selling shortly; everything will change for HHH

Smart move by BM to get the bag before the well runs completely dry. Gonna be a massive decline in recruitng activity (at least the top tier D1s that they are known for) now that that â€25 class is mostly locked up. Unless the â€32 birddogs bring the swagger back.

The HHH 26 and 27 teams improved greatly as they entered high school. No reason to believe that trend will not continue. Either way, the kids that demonstrate talent in high level games will have a shot at the next level, regardless of what team they plays for.
That’s the commenter’s point; those teams, post 2025, do not have top tier talent.
They improved from being ranked 130 to top 100; big step I guess
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That’s the commenter’s point; those teams, post 2025, do not have top tier talent.
They improved from being ranked 130 to top 100; big step I guess
My son guest played for the 2028 team last summer. It was a difficult weekend for all involved. BM is charismatic and has done this at a high level for a long time. I am sure he will things going in the right direction soon.
Charismatic???? Hahahahahaahaha
I like BM; he knows lacrosse and has helped guide kids into big time programs. BUT, he is not charismatic…actually, if it’s not lacrosse being discussed, he sounds brain-dead
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Charismatic???? Hahahahahaahaha
I like BM; he knows lacrosse and has helped guide kids into big time programs. BUT, he is not charismatic…actually, if it’s not lacrosse being discussed, he sounds brain-dead

He’s a simpleton who runs his organization off his dining room table. Always the path of least resistance.
Says the sad poster on here who isn’t half the coach or club! Keep quiet until you do something. Anything.
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Charismatic???? Hahahahahaahaha
I like BM; he knows lacrosse and has helped guide kids into big time programs. BUT, he is not charismatic…actually, if it’s not lacrosse being discussed, he sounds brain-dead

He’s a simpleton who runs his organization off his dining room table. Always the path of least resistance.
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Charismatic???? Hahahahahaahaha
I like BM; he knows lacrosse and has helped guide kids into big time programs. BUT, he is not charismatic…actually, if it’s not lacrosse being discussed, he sounds brain-dead

He’s a simpleton who runs his organization off his dining room table. Always the path of least resistance.

He does a great job for the families that invest in him. It’s club lacrosse, not Wall Street.
Things have calmed down here at EA. new staff and a new vision. organized and leveraging the newly engaged alumni base for $$$ support. Be on the lookout for some new helmets this year the best AD in the league with the most administrative support for our student-athletes. The team have been practicing all winter and ready to make a real run at the Inter AC title. We might not have the best stable of athletes but we recently hired one of the best D3 Coaches in the last 20 years and are finally ready to make some noise. Coach Kolffer has the ability to X and O his way through the gauntlet. Moved Zeke Kane back to O midfield where he belongs. he is gonna score 30+ goals this year. 6 DI defensemen and upgraded the D staff that are supported by a DI goalie. Have one of the best box coaches in SEPA hands down. In the high school we boast small class size and 87% of our teachers have advanced degrees. have to battle against Malvern and probably haveto split home and away. Hoping Malvern and Haveford also split, we sweep Haverford, and raise the elusive Inter Ac sweater. Ive been waiting for this season since I was an 8th grader the last time EA won it all. we have to play Radnor and might lose to them but that wont affect the interac record because they are a public school.

PRESEASON RANKINGS
1.) EA
1.a) Malvern
3.) Haverford
4.) SCHA
5.) Penn Charter
6.) GA
Lolololol. Are you under the influence ?
Thanks for the update. All the best to EA this season and hoping they can move on from the issues last year. They definitely have talent and will make the Inter Ac interesting. Malvern looks like the team to beat on paper but let's be honest, it is a team of holdbacks recruited to play lax and are not attending for the academics. As good as Radnor is, I think they are down (albeit slightly) this year. Any idea where the former EA staff landed?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thanks for the update. All the best to EA this season and hoping they can move on from the issues last year. They definitely have talent and will make the Inter Ac interesting. Malvern looks like the team to beat on paper but let's be honest, it is a team of holdbacks recruited to play lax and are not attending for the academics. As good as Radnor is, I think they are down (albeit slightly) this year. Any idea where the former EA staff landed?

There was an article out that Bates is at St. Andrew's school in DE.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Things have calmed down here at EA. new staff and a new vision. organized and leveraging the newly engaged alumni base for $$$ support. Be on the lookout for some new helmets this year the best AD in the league with the most administrative support for our student-athletes. The team have been practicing all winter and ready to make a real run at the Inter AC title. We might not have the best stable of athletes but we recently hired one of the best D3 Coaches in the last 20 years and are finally ready to make some noise. Coach Kolffer has the ability to X and O his way through the gauntlet. Moved Zeke Kane back to O midfield where he belongs. he is gonna score 30+ goals this year. 6 DI defensemen and upgraded the D staff that are supported by a DI goalie. Have one of the best box coaches in SEPA hands down. In the high school we boast small class size and 87% of our teachers have advanced degrees. have to battle against Malvern and probably haveto split home and away. Hoping Malvern and Haveford also split, we sweep Haverford, and raise the elusive Inter Ac sweater. Ive been waiting for this season since I was an 8th grader the last time EA won it all. we have to play Radnor and might lose to them but that wont affect the interac record because they are a public school.

PRESEASON RANKINGS
1.) EA
1.a) Malvern
3.) Haverford
4.) SCHA
5.) Penn Charter
6.) GA

Love the confidence and hope you are right. It would be fun to see a commitment comparison between the three schools. I had no clue EA had 6 DI poles. I know Haverford has at least 3 DI poles. Best of luck!
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Things have calmed down here at EA. new staff and a new vision. organized and leveraging the newly engaged alumni base for $$$ support. Be on the lookout for some new helmets this year the best AD in the league with the most administrative support for our student-athletes. The team have been practicing all winter and ready to make a real run at the Inter AC title. We might not have the best stable of athletes but we recently hired one of the best D3 Coaches in the last 20 years and are finally ready to make some noise. Coach Kolffer has the ability to X and O his way through the gauntlet. Moved Zeke Kane back to O midfield where he belongs. he is gonna score 30+ goals this year. 6 DI defensemen and upgraded the D staff that are supported by a DI goalie. Have one of the best box coaches in SEPA hands down. In the high school we boast small class size and 87% of our teachers have advanced degrees. have to battle against Malvern and probably haveto split home and away. Hoping Malvern and Haveford also split, we sweep Haverford, and raise the elusive Inter Ac sweater. Ive been waiting for this season since I was an 8th grader the last time EA won it all. we have to play Radnor and might lose to them but that wont affect the interac record because they are a public school.

PRESEASON RANKINGS
1.) EA
1.a) Malvern
3.) Haverford
4.) SCHA
5.) Penn Charter
6.) GA


P.S. It is fun to see something other than HHH and Team TEN bashing each other.
The inter-ac is fairly predictable year to year at this point.
There are the two top tier teams, two mid tier teams, and two bottom tier teams.

The competition breaks down to who is going to out jockey who within those tiers, end of story. EA is clearly not in the top tier so don't waste your time trying to put forth that thought.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Things have calmed down here at EA. new staff and a new vision. organized and leveraging the newly engaged alumni base for $$$ support. Be on the lookout for some new helmets this year the best AD in the league with the most administrative support for our student-athletes. The team have been practicing all winter and ready to make a real run at the Inter AC title. We might not have the best stable of athletes but we recently hired one of the best D3 Coaches in the last 20 years and are finally ready to make some noise. Coach Kolffer has the ability to X and O his way through the gauntlet. Moved Zeke Kane back to O midfield where he belongs. he is gonna score 30+ goals this year. 6 DI defensemen and upgraded the D staff that are supported by a DI goalie. Have one of the best box coaches in SEPA hands down. In the high school we boast small class size and 87% of our teachers have advanced degrees. have to battle against Malvern and probably haveto split home and away. Hoping Malvern and Haveford also split, we sweep Haverford, and raise the elusive Inter Ac sweater. Ive been waiting for this season since I was an 8th grader the last time EA won it all. we have to play Radnor and might lose to them but that wont affect the interac record because they are a public school.

PRESEASON RANKINGS
1.) EA
1.a) Malvern
3.) Haverford
4.) SCHA
5.) Penn Charter
6.) GA

Love the confidence and hope you are right. It would be fun to see a commitment comparison between the three schools. I had no clue EA had 6 DI poles. I know Haverford has at least 3 DI poles. Best of luck!


EA has 3 poles D1 about 7 total to D1
haverford and malvern starting line ups are all D1 plus some.
SCH has 4 D1, PC 3 D1 and GA none
numbers could be off but not significantly.
This is for the 25/26 groups.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Things have calmed down here at EA. new staff and a new vision. organized and leveraging the newly engaged alumni base for $$$ support. Be on the lookout for some new helmets this year the best AD in the league with the most administrative support for our student-athletes. The team have been practicing all winter and ready to make a real run at the Inter AC title. We might not have the best stable of athletes but we recently hired one of the best D3 Coaches in the last 20 years and are finally ready to make some noise. Coach Kolffer has the ability to X and O his way through the gauntlet. Moved Zeke Kane back to O midfield where he belongs. he is gonna score 30+ goals this year. 6 DI defensemen and upgraded the D staff that are supported by a DI goalie. Have one of the best box coaches in SEPA hands down. In the high school we boast small class size and 87% of our teachers have advanced degrees. have to battle against Malvern and probably haveto split home and away. Hoping Malvern and Haveford also split, we sweep Haverford, and raise the elusive Inter Ac sweater. Ive been waiting for this season since I was an 8th grader the last time EA won it all. we have to play Radnor and might lose to them but that wont affect the interac record because they are a public school.

PRESEASON RANKINGS
1.) EA
1.a) Malvern
3.) Haverford
4.) SCHA
5.) Penn Charter
6.) GA

Love the confidence and hope you are right. It would be fun to see a commitment comparison between the three schools. I had no clue EA had 6 DI poles. I know Haverford has at least 3 DI poles. Best of luck!


EA has 3 poles D1 about 7 total to D1
haverford and malvern starting line ups are all D1 plus some.
SCH has 4 D1, PC 3 D1 and GA none
numbers could be off but not significantly.
This is for the 25/26 groups.

Let’s clarify here: 24/25 groups would be more accurate since 26’s can’t be recruited yet. GA has a 2025 who is going to a top D1 - he plays for HHH 2025. I don’t think the OP was being serious about EA giving MP or HS a run this year. There’s a lot of talent on MP and HS and they will vie for the #1 spot in the Inter-Ac again
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Things have calmed down here at EA. new staff and a new vision. organized and leveraging the newly engaged alumni base for $$$ support. Be on the lookout for some new helmets this year the best AD in the league with the most administrative support for our student-athletes. The team have been practicing all winter and ready to make a real run at the Inter AC title. We might not have the best stable of athletes but we recently hired one of the best D3 Coaches in the last 20 years and are finally ready to make some noise. Coach Kolffer has the ability to X and O his way through the gauntlet. Moved Zeke Kane back to O midfield where he belongs. he is gonna score 30+ goals this year. 6 DI defensemen and upgraded the D staff that are supported by a DI goalie. Have one of the best box coaches in SEPA hands down. In the high school we boast small class size and 87% of our teachers have advanced degrees. have to battle against Malvern and probably haveto split home and away. Hoping Malvern and Haveford also split, we sweep Haverford, and raise the elusive Inter Ac sweater. Ive been waiting for this season since I was an 8th grader the last time EA won it all. we have to play Radnor and might lose to them but that wont affect the interac record because they are a public school.

PRESEASON RANKINGS
1.) EA
1.a) Malvern
3.) Haverford
4.) SCHA
5.) Penn Charter
6.) GA



Malvern and HS have loaded 2025 classes. Those will be the top two teams in the inter-ac. Malvern will be as good as their defense will allow them to be this year and HS will be as good as their offense this year. HS returns one of the best long pole groups in the country and Malvern returns a stable of highly ranked, highly recruited offensive players. It will be a fun and competitive year of lacrosse. Good luck to all the teams out there.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Things have calmed down here at EA. new staff and a new vision. organized and leveraging the newly engaged alumni base for $$$ support. Be on the lookout for some new helmets this year the best AD in the league with the most administrative support for our student-athletes. The team have been practicing all winter and ready to make a real run at the Inter AC title. We might not have the best stable of athletes but we recently hired one of the best D3 Coaches in the last 20 years and are finally ready to make some noise. Coach Kolffer has the ability to X and O his way through the gauntlet. Moved Zeke Kane back to O midfield where he belongs. he is gonna score 30+ goals this year. 6 DI defensemen and upgraded the D staff that are supported by a DI goalie. Have one of the best box coaches in SEPA hands down. In the high school we boast small class size and 87% of our teachers have advanced degrees. have to battle against Malvern and probably haveto split home and away. Hoping Malvern and Haveford also split, we sweep Haverford, and raise the elusive Inter Ac sweater. Ive been waiting for this season since I was an 8th grader the last time EA won it all. we have to play Radnor and might lose to them but that wont affect the interac record because they are a public school.

PRESEASON RANKINGS
1.) EA
1.a) Malvern
3.) Haverford
4.) SCHA
5.) Penn Charter
6.) GA


Good luck trying to get the ball against Haverford as they have the best FO unit in high school lacrosse. One FOGO going to Duke and the other going to Virginia. If you do happen to get the ball, good luck scoring against that defense.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Things have calmed down here at EA. new staff and a new vision. organized and leveraging the newly engaged alumni base for $$$ support. Be on the lookout for some new helmets this year the best AD in the league with the most administrative support for our student-athletes. The team have been practicing all winter and ready to make a real run at the Inter AC title. We might not have the best stable of athletes but we recently hired one of the best D3 Coaches in the last 20 years and are finally ready to make some noise. Coach Kolffer has the ability to X and O his way through the gauntlet. Moved Zeke Kane back to O midfield where he belongs. he is gonna score 30+ goals this year. 6 DI defensemen and upgraded the D staff that are supported by a DI goalie. Have one of the best box coaches in SEPA hands down. In the high school we boast small class size and 87% of our teachers have advanced degrees. have to battle against Malvern and probably haveto split home and away. Hoping Malvern and Haveford also split, we sweep Haverford, and raise the elusive Inter Ac sweater. Ive been waiting for this season since I was an 8th grader the last time EA won it all. we have to play Radnor and might lose to them but that wont affect the interac record because they are a public school.

PRESEASON RANKINGS
1.) EA
1.a) Malvern
3.) Haverford
4.) SCHA
5.) Penn Charter
6.) GA

Love the confidence and hope you are right. It would be fun to see a commitment comparison between the three schools. I had no clue EA had 6 DI poles. I know Haverford has at least 3 DI poles. Best of luck!


EA has 3 poles D1 about 7 total to D1
haverford and malvern starting line ups are all D1 plus some.
SCH has 4 D1, PC 3 D1 and GA none
numbers could be off but not significantly.
This is for the 25/26 groups.

Let’s clarify here: 24/25 groups would be more accurate since 26’s can’t be recruited yet. GA has a 2025 who is going to a top D1 - he plays for HHH 2025. I don’t think the OP was being serious about EA giving MP or HS a run this year. There’s a lot of talent on MP and HS and they will vie for the #1 spot in the Inter-Ac again

Serious question here... Why is GA perennially so bad despite having BM as their HC? He should have no problem pulling more of those HHH kids in and attracting other high level talent.
Both very good teams. Are either top 10 national caliber?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Things have calmed down here at EA. new staff and a new vision. organized and leveraging the newly engaged alumni base for $$$ support. Be on the lookout for some new helmets this year the best AD in the league with the most administrative support for our student-athletes. The team have been practicing all winter and ready to make a real run at the Inter AC title. We might not have the best stable of athletes but we recently hired one of the best D3 Coaches in the last 20 years and are finally ready to make some noise. Coach Kolffer has the ability to X and O his way through the gauntlet. Moved Zeke Kane back to O midfield where he belongs. he is gonna score 30+ goals this year. 6 DI defensemen and upgraded the D staff that are supported by a DI goalie. Have one of the best box coaches in SEPA hands down. In the high school we boast small class size and 87% of our teachers have advanced degrees. have to battle against Malvern and probably haveto split home and away. Hoping Malvern and Haveford also split, we sweep Haverford, and raise the elusive Inter Ac sweater. Ive been waiting for this season since I was an 8th grader the last time EA won it all. we have to play Radnor and might lose to them but that wont affect the interac record because they are a public school.

PRESEASON RANKINGS
1.) EA
1.a) Malvern
3.) Haverford
4.) SCHA
5.) Penn Charter
6.) GA

Love the confidence and hope you are right. It would be fun to see a commitment comparison between the three schools. I had no clue EA had 6 DI poles. I know Haverford has at least 3 DI poles. Best of luck!


EA has 3 poles D1 about 7 total to D1
haverford and malvern starting line ups are all D1 plus some.
SCH has 4 D1, PC 3 D1 and GA none
numbers could be off but not significantly.
This is for the 25/26 groups.

Let’s clarify here: 24/25 groups would be more accurate since 26’s can’t be recruited yet. GA has a 2025 who is going to a top D1 - he plays for HHH 2025. I don’t think the OP was being serious about EA giving MP or HS a run this year. There’s a lot of talent on MP and HS and they will vie for the #1 spot in the Inter-Ac again

Serious question here... Why is GA perennially so bad despite having BM as their HC? He should have no problem pulling more of those HHH kids in and attracting other high level talent.

From what I understand he isn't a big recruiter. If you love GA and want to go there and happen to play lacrosse great! But he isn't asking you to look at GA. But that is just sideline talk.
GA puts zero pressure on him to succeed. Alums should step up and say something. From a lax perspective, GA is a laughing stock
Let's be honest. GA is not heck bent on lacrosse success like Malvern, and to a lesser extent Haverford and EA. Their mission statement exists with athletics and not the other way around.

Malvern has put an emphasis on sports in the past 12 years.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Things have calmed down here at EA. new staff and a new vision. organized and leveraging the newly engaged alumni base for $$$ support. Be on the lookout for some new helmets this year the best AD in the league with the most administrative support for our student-athletes. The team have been practicing all winter and ready to make a real run at the Inter AC title. We might not have the best stable of athletes but we recently hired one of the best D3 Coaches in the last 20 years and are finally ready to make some noise. Coach Kolffer has the ability to X and O his way through the gauntlet. Moved Zeke Kane back to O midfield where he belongs. he is gonna score 30+ goals this year. 6 DI defensemen and upgraded the D staff that are supported by a DI goalie. Have one of the best box coaches in SEPA hands down. In the high school we boast small class size and 87% of our teachers have advanced degrees. have to battle against Malvern and probably haveto split home and away. Hoping Malvern and Haveford also split, we sweep Haverford, and raise the elusive Inter Ac sweater. Ive been waiting for this season since I was an 8th grader the last time EA won it all. we have to play Radnor and might lose to them but that wont affect the interac record because they are a public school.

PRESEASON RANKINGS
1.) EA
1.a) Malvern
3.) Haverford
4.) SCHA
5.) Penn Charter
6.) GA

You drop all those accolades and still butcher the spelling of Coach Colfer's name.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Things have calmed down here at EA. new staff and a new vision. organized and leveraging the newly engaged alumni base for $$$ support. Be on the lookout for some new helmets this year the best AD in the league with the most administrative support for our student-athletes. The team have been practicing all winter and ready to make a real run at the Inter AC title. We might not have the best stable of athletes but we recently hired one of the best D3 Coaches in the last 20 years and are finally ready to make some noise. Coach Kolffer has the ability to X and O his way through the gauntlet. Moved Zeke Kane back to O midfield where he belongs. he is gonna score 30+ goals this year. 6 DI defensemen and upgraded the D staff that are supported by a DI goalie. Have one of the best box coaches in SEPA hands down. In the high school we boast small class size and 87% of our teachers have advanced degrees. have to battle against Malvern and probably haveto split home and away. Hoping Malvern and Haveford also split, we sweep Haverford, and raise the elusive Inter Ac sweater. Ive been waiting for this season since I was an 8th grader the last time EA won it all. we have to play Radnor and might lose to them but that wont affect the interac record because they are a public school.

PRESEASON RANKINGS
1.) EA
1.a) Malvern
3.) Haverford
4.) SCHA
5.) Penn Charter
6.) GA

Love the confidence and hope you are right. It would be fun to see a commitment comparison between the three schools. I had no clue EA had 6 DI poles. I know Haverford has at least 3 DI poles. Best of luck!


EA has 3 poles D1 about 7 total to D1
haverford and malvern starting line ups are all D1 plus some.
SCH has 4 D1, PC 3 D1 and GA none
numbers could be off but not significantly.
This is for the 25/26 groups.

Let’s clarify here: 24/25 groups would be more accurate since 26’s can’t be recruited yet. GA has a 2025 who is going to a top D1 - he plays for HHH 2025. I don’t think the OP was being serious about EA giving MP or HS a run this year. There’s a lot of talent on MP and HS and they will vie for the #1 spot in the Inter-Ac again

Pretty sure GA does not have any 2025 poles committed D1. Their goalie is the only D1 Commit (Michigan). Plays on HHH 2025 team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Things have calmed down here at EA. new staff and a new vision. organized and leveraging the newly engaged alumni base for $$$ support. Be on the lookout for some new helmets this year the best AD in the league with the most administrative support for our student-athletes. The team have been practicing all winter and ready to make a real run at the Inter AC title. We might not have the best stable of athletes but we recently hired one of the best D3 Coaches in the last 20 years and are finally ready to make some noise. Coach Kolffer has the ability to X and O his way through the gauntlet. Moved Zeke Kane back to O midfield where he belongs. he is gonna score 30+ goals this year. 6 DI defensemen and upgraded the D staff that are supported by a DI goalie. Have one of the best box coaches in SEPA hands down. In the high school we boast small class size and 87% of our teachers have advanced degrees. have to battle against Malvern and probably haveto split home and away. Hoping Malvern and Haveford also split, we sweep Haverford, and raise the elusive Inter Ac sweater. Ive been waiting for this season since I was an 8th grader the last time EA won it all. we have to play Radnor and might lose to them but that wont affect the interac record because they are a public school.

PRESEASON RANKINGS
1.) EA
1.a) Malvern
3.) Haverford
4.) SCHA
5.) Penn Charter
6.) GA


Good luck trying to get the ball against Haverford as they have the best FO unit in high school lacrosse. One FOGO going to Duke and the other going to Virginia. If you do happen to get the ball, good luck scoring against that defense.

Malvern FO committed to Yale and SCH committed to Georgetown (& just as good as haverford's #1 guy).
Per Inside Lacrosse - 2025 D1 Commits from the IA:

Malvern 11
Haverford 6
EA 2
GA 1
SCH 0
PC 0

Salesianum not in the IA but they are one of the best private schools programs in the area. They also have 6 D1 commits listed in the 2025 class.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Both very good teams. Are either top 10 national caliber?


Haverford should be top 10, with top 5 potential. Malvern depends on how they gel defensively
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Both very good teams. Are either top 10 national caliber?


Haverford should be top 10, with top 5 potential. Malvern depends on how they gel defensively
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Things have calmed down here at EA. new staff and a new vision. organized and leveraging the newly engaged alumni base for $$$ support. Be on the lookout for some new helmets this year the best AD in the league with the most administrative support for our student-athletes. The team have been practicing all winter and ready to make a real run at the Inter AC title. We might not have the best stable of athletes but we recently hired one of the best D3 Coaches in the last 20 years and are finally ready to make some noise. Coach Kolffer has the ability to X and O his way through the gauntlet. Moved Zeke Kane back to O midfield where he belongs. he is gonna score 30+ goals this year. 6 DI defensemen and upgraded the D staff that are supported by a DI goalie. Have one of the best box coaches in SEPA hands down. In the high school we boast small class size and 87% of our teachers have advanced degrees. have to battle against Malvern and probably haveto split home and away. Hoping Malvern and Haveford also split, we sweep Haverford, and raise the elusive Inter Ac sweater. Ive been waiting for this season since I was an 8th grader the last time EA won it all. we have to play Radnor and might lose to them but that wont affect the interac record because they are a public school.

PRESEASON RANKINGS
1.) EA
1.a) Malvern
3.) Haverford
4.) SCHA
5.) Penn Charter
6.) GA


Good luck trying to get the ball against Haverford as they have the best FO unit in high school lacrosse. One FOGO going to Duke and the other going to Virginia. If you do happen to get the ball, good luck scoring against that defense.

Malvern FO committed to Yale and SCH committed to Georgetown (& just as good as haverford's #1 guy).

Neither one will go over 50% against HS duo. Two fresh FOGOs both arguably at the top of their respective classes will be hard to beat. Pretty sure last year when HS number 1 FOGO was hurt the number 2 was consistently beating the Malvern FOGO
PLL World Champion coach is a big deal. Hard to fill them shoes. Archers assistant at Lasalle. Big for area.
Bro, I don't think "PLL World Champion Coach" is that big of a deal. His other coaching credentials are significantly more impressive. The PLL is a not much more than a glorified Beer League. I'd be willing to bet that the the NCAA national Championship team would demolish ANY PLL team. I'll let you tell me why I think that.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Both very good teams. Are either top 10 national caliber?


Haverford should be top 10, with top 5 potential. Malvern depends on how they gel defensively
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Things have calmed down here at EA. new staff and a new vision. organized and leveraging the newly engaged alumni base for $$$ support. Be on the lookout for some new helmets this year the best AD in the league with the most administrative support for our student-athletes. The team have been practicing all winter and ready to make a real run at the Inter AC title. We might not have the best stable of athletes but we recently hired one of the best D3 Coaches in the last 20 years and are finally ready to make some noise. Coach Kolffer has the ability to X and O his way through the gauntlet. Moved Zeke Kane back to O midfield where he belongs. he is gonna score 30+ goals this year. 6 DI defensemen and upgraded the D staff that are supported by a DI goalie. Have one of the best box coaches in SEPA hands down. In the high school we boast small class size and 87% of our teachers have advanced degrees. have to battle against Malvern and probably haveto split home and away. Hoping Malvern and Haveford also split, we sweep Haverford, and raise the elusive Inter Ac sweater. Ive been waiting for this season since I was an 8th grader the last time EA won it all. we have to play Radnor and might lose to them but that wont affect the interac record because they are a public school.

PRESEASON RANKINGS
1.) EA
1.a) Malvern
3.) Haverford
4.) SCHA
5.) Penn Charter
6.) GA


Good luck trying to get the ball against Haverford as they have the best FO unit in high school lacrosse. One FOGO going to Duke and the other going to Virginia. If you do happen to get the ball, good luck scoring against that defense.

Malvern FO committed to Yale and SCH committed to Georgetown (& just as good as haverford's #1 guy).

Neither one will go over 50% against HS duo. Two fresh FOGOs both arguably at the top of their respective classes will be hard to beat. Pretty sure last year when HS number 1 FOGO was hurt the number 2 was consistently beating the Malvern FOGO

SCH FO routinely beat the HS FO kids last year. Just couldn't put it in the net after.
You, sir, are not smart
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You, sir, are not smart

PLL is a toy league my friend. Any coach of a "professional" team that has a side job isn't really a Pro coach. Same for the players. I would say the vast majority of PLL players have other, real jobs that pay the bills for them. Sure the very very top guys may make enough on endorsements.

I would say it's more that "High school coaches coach the PLL" vs "PLL coaches coach high school". If we want to get into it, CB is a great coach. He's a great coach because he ascended the mountain and coached at Princeton. Then he fell off a cliff because he elbowed some college kid during a game. That's how he got to be a High School coach coaching in the PLL. Controversy appears to follow him. Thems is the facts.
You are not smart because these are the top lacrosse players in the world; no college team could touch them. As a matter of fact, the Archers would smoke ND, forget an all star cast of PLL.
I don’t care how much they make, who coaches them, how old they are; the game wouldn’t be close.
Now go back to yelling at the clouds
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are not smart because these are the top lacrosse players in the world; no college team could touch them. As a matter of fact, the Archers would smoke ND, forget an all star cast of PLL.
I don’t care how much they make, who coaches them, how old they are; the game wouldn’t be close.
Now go back to yelling at the clouds

These are grown adults. Hopefully they are the best financial analysts on Wall Street or the best commercial Real Estate Brokers. But perfect point. The coach doesn’t matter on the PLL team. The best lacrosse coaches in the world are not in the PLL. This is not a controversial statemrent. EA shed their PLL coach at their first opportunity and picked up a real coach from the D3 ranks who hasn’t been physical with players on other teams.
Can the argument be made that Inter AC coaches are not very good and they get most of the top talent in the area?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can the argument be made that Inter AC coaches are not very good and they get most of the top talent in the area?
I don't think that is an argument anyone is trying to make. BM is at the bottom of the inter-ac, and while he may get a lot of heat on the board, nobody questions his actual coaching ability. 2 new coaches in the inter-ac this year (EA and PC). EA reeled in a guy who is clearly a great coach. PC hired young, but from a proven coaching family. Simply put, the inter-ac doesn't hire bad coaches. I don't think the alumni bases would let that happen.
Just came across a telling statistic in USA Lacrosse Magazine.

70%
Percentage of class of 2025 commitments in September that came from NLF clubs and affiliated.

Haters gonna detest, but the numbers don’t lie.
if September of Junior Commitment Stats are what you care about, then by all means you should be playing on your local NLF affiliate. Plenty of time for commitments after that though.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just came across a telling statistic in USA Lacrosse Magazine.

70%
Percentage of class of 2025 commitments in September that came from NLF clubs and affiliated.

Haters gonna detest, but the numbers don’t lie.

Can't wait to see the local NLF club dominate the Philly lax scene this spring and summer! All other local clubs watch out.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just came across a telling statistic in USA Lacrosse Magazine.

70%
Percentage of class of 2025 commitments in September that came from NLF clubs and affiliated.

Haters gonna detest, but the numbers don’t lie.

Can't wait to see the local NLF club dominate the Philly lax scene this spring and summer! All other local clubs watch out.

Does anyone else think it is weird that this "Dad" touts his son's club team as if it is some sort of religion? It's a team he pays a lot of money for his son to play. It's a game, a sport, give it a rest.
The most boisterous Dads on this site and on the sidelines never played.
Numbers don’t lie. Often imitated, but never replicated. See you on the field.
I won’t see on the field, because you don’t play.
The sooner you learn that, the sooner your son will actually enjoy playing.
But tell me what year your son plays on HHH and we can watch together
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I won’t see on the field, because you don’t play.
The sooner you learn that, the sooner your son will actually enjoy playing.
But tell me what year your son plays on HHH and we can watch together

Birddogs all day. See you. I'll be the one your lady is side-eyeing.
…You’re too old for her
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I won’t see on the field, because you don’t play.
The sooner you learn that, the sooner your son will actually enjoy playing.
But tell me what year your son plays on HHH and we can watch together

Birddogs all day. See you. I'll be the one your lady is side-eyeing.

Our we really puffing our chest out for a 5th grade team? SMH
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I won’t see on the field, because you don’t play.
The sooner you learn that, the sooner your son will actually enjoy playing.
But tell me what year your son plays on HHH and we can watch together

Birddogs all day. See you. I'll be the one your lady is side-eyeing.

She probably will be turned off when you feel the need to tell her your pronouns.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I won’t see on the field, because you don’t play.
The sooner you learn that, the sooner your son will actually enjoy playing.
But tell me what year your son plays on HHH and we can watch together

Birddogs all day. See you. I'll be the one your lady is side-eyeing.

Is it true that you take notes on the kids who pass to your son during games? I heard about you from one of the parents on your team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I won’t see on the field, because you don’t play.
The sooner you learn that, the sooner your son will actually enjoy playing.
But tell me what year your son plays on HHH and we can watch together

Birddogs all day. See you. I'll be the one your lady is side-eyeing.

She probably will be turned off when you feel the need to tell her your pronouns.

Please let’s keep it civil. This is a a child’s game. Don’t ruin it for them.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I won’t see on the field, because you don’t play.
The sooner you learn that, the sooner your son will actually enjoy playing.
But tell me what year your son plays on HHH and we can watch together

Birddogs all day. See you. I'll be the one your lady is side-eyeing.

She probably will be turned off when you feel the need to tell her your pronouns.

Please let’s keep it civil. This is a a child’s game. Don’t ruin it for them.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I won’t see on the field, because you don’t play.
The sooner you learn that, the sooner your son will actually enjoy playing.
But tell me what year your son plays on HHH and we can watch together

Birddogs all day. See you. I'll be the one your lady is side-eyeing.

She probably will be turned off when you feel the need to tell her your pronouns.

Please let’s keep it civil. This is a a child’s game. Don’t ruin it for them.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I won’t see on the field, because you don’t play.
The sooner you learn that, the sooner your son will actually enjoy playing.
But tell me what year your son plays on HHH and we can watch together

Birddogs all day. See you. I'll be the one your lady is side-eyeing.

She probably will be turned off when you feel the need to tell her your pronouns.

Please let’s keep it civil. This is a a child’s game. Don’t ruin it for them.

Interesting. Comment about "Side-eyeing" from someone's wife gets no comment, but a comment about a dude who feels the need to tell you he's a dude does. Just an FYI, if you are a dude who feels you need to tell someone that you are male, you probably do. For all of all of human history until the last few years and for almost all people your pronouns are self-evident.
NLF parents are desperate to keep their league and teams relevant, even if their child doesn’t play much (which is safe to assume, based on this guy’s hubris).
If my wife is side-eying you, it’s because she’s wondering why this old dude in a “Princeton Lacrosse” shirt is yelling so much.
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Both very good teams. Are either top 10 national caliber?


Haverford should be top 10, with top 5 potential. Malvern depends on how they gel defensively
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Things have calmed down here at EA. new staff and a new vision. organized and leveraging the newly engaged alumni base for $$$ support. Be on the lookout for some new helmets this year the best AD in the league with the most administrative support for our student-athletes. The team have been practicing all winter and ready to make a real run at the Inter AC title. We might not have the best stable of athletes but we recently hired one of the best D3 Coaches in the last 20 years and are finally ready to make some noise. Coach Kolffer has the ability to X and O his way through the gauntlet. Moved Zeke Kane back to O midfield where he belongs. he is gonna score 30+ goals this year. 6 DI defensemen and upgraded the D staff that are supported by a DI goalie. Have one of the best box coaches in SEPA hands down. In the high school we boast small class size and 87% of our teachers have advanced degrees. have to battle against Malvern and probably haveto split home and away. Hoping Malvern and Haveford also split, we sweep Haverford, and raise the elusive Inter Ac sweater. Ive been waiting for this season since I was an 8th grader the last time EA won it all. we have to play Radnor and might lose to them but that wont affect the interac record because they are a public school.

PRESEASON RANKINGS
1.) EA
1.a) Malvern
3.) Haverford
4.) SCHA
5.) Penn Charter
6.) GA


Good luck trying to get the ball against Haverford as they have the best FO unit in high school lacrosse. One FOGO going to Duke and the other going to Virginia. If you do happen to get the ball, good luck scoring against that defense.

Malvern FO committed to Yale and SCH committed to Georgetown (& just as good as haverford's #1 guy).

Neither one will go over 50% against HS duo. Two fresh FOGOs both arguably at the top of their respective classes will be hard to beat. Pretty sure last year when HS number 1 FOGO was hurt the number 2 was consistently beating the Malvern FOGO

SCH FO routinely beat the HS FO kids last year. Just couldn't put it in the net after.



Last year SCH FO had a good showing against HS #1 FO, looked even against HS #2 FO. New year, we shall see how it plays out. Good luck to all players and teams
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NLF parents are desperate to keep their league and teams relevant, even if their child doesn’t play much (which is safe to assume, based on this guy’s hubris).
If my wife is side-eying you, it’s because she’s wondering why this old dude in a “Princeton Lacrosse” shirt is yelling so much.

I don't get it. Are you trying to make fun of someone that went to Princeton? Half this board is willing to sell their kidney to get their child into that caliber of school.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NLF parents are desperate to keep their league and teams relevant, even if their child doesn’t play much (which is safe to assume, based on this guy’s hubris).
If my wife is side-eying you, it’s because she’s wondering why this old dude in a “Princeton Lacrosse” shirt is yelling so much.

If that reasoning allows you to get sleep at night, then by all means keep thinking that. Meanwhile, when she's washing your son's Dawg's sweatshirt, she's going to be thinking about upgrading.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NLF parents are desperate to keep their league and teams relevant, even if their child doesn’t play much (which is safe to assume, based on this guy’s hubris).
If my wife is side-eying you, it’s because she’s wondering why this old dude in a “Princeton Lacrosse” shirt is yelling so much.

I don't get it. Are you trying to make fun of someone that went to Princeton? Half this board is willing to sell their kidney to get their child into that caliber of school.

I think he might referring to a certain Princeton dad...not all Princeton dads. At least I hope that is what it is.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NLF parents are desperate to keep their league and teams relevant, even if their child doesn’t play much (which is safe to assume, based on this guy’s hubris).
If my wife is side-eying you, it’s because she’s wondering why this old dude in a “Princeton Lacrosse” shirt is yelling so much.

HHH 2025 on the board with 15 D1 commits. Not sure how desperate those parents are to keep their team relevant.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NLF parents are desperate to keep their league and teams relevant, even if their child doesn’t play much (which is safe to assume, based on this guy’s hubris).
If my wife is side-eying you, it’s because she’s wondering why this old dude in a “Princeton Lacrosse” shirt is yelling so much.

I don't get it. Are you trying to make fun of someone that went to Princeton? Half this board is willing to sell their kidney to get their child into that caliber of school.

I think he might referring to a certain Princeton dad...not all Princeton dads. At least I hope that is what it is.

Fair. The guy is a little over the top for 5th grade game and wearing his colors. Can we just let the kids play. Parents don’t need to ruin elementary school sports.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I won’t see on the field, because you don’t play.
The sooner you learn that, the sooner your son will actually enjoy playing.
But tell me what year your son plays on HHH and we can watch together

Birddogs all day. See you. I'll be the one your lady is side-eyeing.

Is it true that you take notes on the kids who pass to your son during games? I heard about you from one of the parents on your team.

Called taking statistics. Math you know? Coach tasked me with this important task. Using the statistics there is a game plan. Geesh get a clue man. Bet you don’t use statistics. Why we dominate.
I’ve seen lots of Dads wearing Princeton lacrosse gear that have zero affiliation w Princeton, guys who never played but want to pretend they know the game. I think that’s the joke….i think.
Regardless, HHH is dying a slow death, 25s being their last proverbial breathe
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I won’t see on the field, because you don’t play.
The sooner you learn that, the sooner your son will actually enjoy playing.
But tell me what year your son plays on HHH and we can watch together

Birddogs all day. See you. I'll be the one your lady is side-eyeing.

Is it true that you take notes on the kids who pass to your son during games? I heard about you from one of the parents on your team.

Called taking statistics. Math you know? Coach tasked me with this important task. Using the statistics there is a game plan. Geesh get a clue man. Bet you don’t use statistics. Why we dominate.
Funny since the coach doesn't take statistics for even his high school team...keep talking.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NLF parents are desperate to keep their league and teams relevant, even if their child doesn’t play much (which is safe to assume, based on this guy’s hubris).
If my wife is side-eying you, it’s because she’s wondering why this old dude in a “Princeton Lacrosse” shirt is yelling so much.

I don't get it. Are you trying to make fun of someone that went to Princeton? Half this board is willing to sell their kidney to get their child into that caliber of school.

I think he might referring to a certain Princeton dad...not all Princeton dads. At least I hope that is what it is.

Fair. The guy is a little over the top for 5th grade game and wearing his colors. Can we just let the kids play. Parents don’t need to ruin elementary school sports.

Wiat there is two Princeton dads in the area? The fool one is a dad of a now high schooler. Don't know the 5th grade dad.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I won’t see on the field, because you don’t play.
The sooner you learn that, the sooner your son will actually enjoy playing.
But tell me what year your son plays on HHH and we can watch together

Birddogs all day. See you. I'll be the one your lady is side-eyeing.

Is it true that you take notes on the kids who pass to your son during games? I heard about you from one of the parents on your team.

Called taking statistics. Math you know? Coach tasked me with this important task. Using the statistics there is a game plan. Geesh get a clue man. Bet you don’t use statistics. Why we dominate.

Or maybe coach gave you these busy tasks to keep you from bothering him?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I’ve seen lots of Dads wearing Princeton lacrosse gear that have zero affiliation w Princeton, guys who never played but want to pretend they know the game. I think that’s the joke….i think.
Regardless, HHH is dying a slow death, 25s being their last proverbial breathe

HHH 2026 has a handful of talented players from Inter-Ac and LaSalle. So would you say that if HHH is on its last breath, then so is the Inter-Ac? Sounds like more unnecessary HHH detest.
High school season here, Fords,Sallies, Lasalle, Springfield, Radnor, MP, Rustin,GA,EA, SCH in that order, cash money.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I’ve seen lots of Dads wearing Princeton lacrosse gear that have zero affiliation w Princeton, guys who never played but want to pretend they know the game. I think that’s the joke….i think.
Regardless, HHH is dying a slow death, 25s being their last proverbial breathe

HHH 2026 has a handful of talented players from Inter-Ac and LaSalle. So would you say that if HHH is on its last breath, then so is the Inter-Ac? Sounds like more unnecessary HHH detest.

I think HHH fans have established themselves as being over the top and the kings of dishing it out but not being able to take it. That being said there are some strong players on the 26's and I think the 27's picked up some really good kids. Is HHH going to be the "gold standard"? No, but they should be fine at least for the 26's and 27's.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NLF parents are desperate to keep their league and teams relevant, even if their child doesn’t play much (which is safe to assume, based on this guy’s hubris).
If my wife is side-eying you, it’s because she’s wondering why this old dude in a “Princeton Lacrosse” shirt is yelling so much.

HHH 2025 on the board with 15 D1 commits. Not sure how desperate those parents are to keep their team relevant.

Literally for years that talk has been that HHH 2025 is the end of the run. Little "national" talent below that. Everyone knows HHH 25's are legit, have been legit, and will continue to be legit. Sounds like they are passing the flame to the 2031 Birddogs as there are barely enough players to form teams between the two age groups.

HHH 26 has pulled in a few dawgs over the years. but not many. HHH/Mesa 27 will be ok. Neither will have 15 D1 commits. Maybe a few guys playing for Chestnut Hill College and perhaps a few MCLA players.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Both very good teams. Are either top 10 national caliber?


Haverford should be top 10, with top 5 potential. Malvern depends on how they gel defensively
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Things have calmed down here at EA. new staff and a new vision. organized and leveraging the newly engaged alumni base for $$$ support. Be on the lookout for some new helmets this year the best AD in the league with the most administrative support for our student-athletes. The team have been practicing all winter and ready to make a real run at the Inter AC title. We might not have the best stable of athletes but we recently hired one of the best D3 Coaches in the last 20 years and are finally ready to make some noise. Coach Kolffer has the ability to X and O his way through the gauntlet. Moved Zeke Kane back to O midfield where he belongs. he is gonna score 30+ goals this year. 6 DI defensemen and upgraded the D staff that are supported by a DI goalie. Have one of the best box coaches in SEPA hands down. In the high school we boast small class size and 87% of our teachers have advanced degrees. have to battle against Malvern and probably haveto split home and away. Hoping Malvern and Haveford also split, we sweep Haverford, and raise the elusive Inter Ac sweater. Ive been waiting for this season since I was an 8th grader the last time EA won it all. we have to play Radnor and might lose to them but that wont affect the interac record because they are a public school.

PRESEASON RANKINGS
1.) EA
1.a) Malvern
3.) Haverford
4.) SCHA
5.) Penn Charter
6.) GA


Good luck trying to get the ball against Haverford as they have the best FO unit in high school lacrosse. One FOGO going to Duke and the other going to Virginia. If you do happen to get the ball, good luck scoring against that defense.

Malvern FO committed to Yale and SCH committed to Georgetown (& just as good as haverford's #1 guy).

Neither one will go over 50% against HS duo. Two fresh FOGOs both arguably at the top of their respective classes will be hard to beat. Pretty sure last year when HS number 1 FOGO was hurt the number 2 was consistently beating the Malvern FOGO

SCH FO routinely beat the HS FO kids last year. Just couldn't put it in the net after.



Last year SCH FO had a good showing against HS #1 FO, looked even against HS #2 FO. New year, we shall see how it plays out. Good luck to all players and teams

Game was a formality warmup for Haverford before the annual Interac final. Result is never in doubt.
Fords will find a way to blow it, just you watch.
Lots of talent, but won’t close it out and will have some bad losses.
Lasalle is going to make some moves this year.
Never count Malvern out; every year they re “retooling”, every year they win.
Sallies are DE, don’t care
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NLF parents are desperate to keep their league and teams relevant, even if their child doesn’t play much (which is safe to assume, based on this guy’s hubris).
If my wife is side-eying you, it’s because she’s wondering why this old dude in a “Princeton Lacrosse” shirt is yelling so much.

HHH 2025 on the board with 15 D1 commits. Not sure how desperate those parents are to keep their team relevant.

Literally for years that talk has been that HHH 2025 is the end of the run. Little "national" talent below that. Everyone knows HHH 25's are legit, have been legit, and will continue to be legit. Sounds like they are passing the flame to the 2031 Birddogs as there are barely enough players to form teams between the two age groups.

HHH 26 has pulled in a few dawgs over the years. but not many. HHH/Mesa 27 will be ok. Neither will have 15 D1 commits. Maybe a few guys playing for Chestnut Hill College and perhaps a few MCLA players.

1. Birddogs are a "national" team built around BM's 2032 son.
2. the 26 definately has D1 talent maybe not at the level of the 25s but besides Team Ten in the 26s what team in PA will pull those schools? I think you will HHH and Team Ten will do just as well as those two teams did for the 25s. You are talking about kids that haven't finished puberty. HHH 26's do not have reclasses that the 25s have. Don't count them out.

And any kid that gets to play at the college level D1, 2, 3, MCLA, Club is very lucky. Sorry you weren't good enough. And I really hope you are paying enough money to make sure son amazing and sucking up to as many people as you can so you kid can go to a school you deem worthy. I feel bad for your son. He has a very large hill to climb.
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Fords will find a way to blow it, just you watch.
Lots of talent, but won’t close it out and will have some bad losses.
Lasalle is going to make some moves this year.
Never count Malvern out; every year they re “retooling”, every year they win.
Sallies are DE, don’t care

MP lost to Fords twice, Radnor, Sallies, EA, and just about everyone. Lots of hype (and losses). Who is to blame?
EA ??? Like seriously bro get off that dust ... EA AD is a fool and fired a a great coach because he was jealous of him ... EA has no shot at the InterAc in 2024
Colleen McGarity of Penn Charter coached a a high school varsity team that lost 10 games last year. She also runs the HHH girls program. On her Harlem Lacrosse profile she lists HHH then Penn Charter in her bio. I was told this coach only cares about the cash and so is focused on HHH over PC. I am considering PC for my daughter who is a highly talented eight grader (we are moving to PHL from Central Long Island). My other two daughters played for Boston College and UNC. Does anyone have a view on this Coach?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NLF parents are desperate to keep their league and teams relevant, even if their child doesn’t play much (which is safe to assume, based on this guy’s hubris).
If my wife is side-eying you, it’s because she’s wondering why this old dude in a “Princeton Lacrosse” shirt is yelling so much.

HHH 2025 on the board with 15 D1 commits. Not sure how desperate those parents are to keep their team relevant.

Literally for years that talk has been that HHH 2025 is the end of the run. Little "national" talent below that. Everyone knows HHH 25's are legit, have been legit, and will continue to be legit. Sounds like they are passing the flame to the 2031 Birddogs as there are barely enough players to form teams between the two age groups.

HHH 26 has pulled in a few dawgs over the years. but not many. HHH/Mesa 27 will be ok. Neither will have 15 D1 commits. Maybe a few guys playing for Chestnut Hill College and perhaps a few MCLA players.

1. Birddogs are a "national" team built around BM's 2032 son.
2. the 26 definately has D1 talent maybe not at the level of the 25s but besides Team Ten in the 26s what team in PA will pull those schools? I think you will HHH and Team Ten will do just as well as those two teams did for the 25s. You are talking about kids that haven't finished puberty. HHH 26's do not have reclasses that the 25s have. Don't count them out.

And any kid that gets to play at the college level D1, 2, 3, MCLA, Club is very lucky. Sorry you weren't good enough. And I really hope you are paying enough money to make sure son amazing and sucking up to as many people as you can so you kid can go to a school you deem worthy. I feel bad for your son. He has a very large hill to climb.

Me dude think about aa. Can’t be this loaded during the day. Put the demons to bed. Thank me later.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NLF parents are desperate to keep their league and teams relevant, even if their child doesn’t play much (which is safe to assume, based on this guy’s hubris).
If my wife is side-eying you, it’s because she’s wondering why this old dude in a “Princeton Lacrosse” shirt is yelling so much.

HHH 2025 on the board with 15 D1 commits. Not sure how desperate those parents are to keep their team relevant.

Literally for years that talk has been that HHH 2025 is the end of the run. Little "national" talent below that. Everyone knows HHH 25's are legit, have been legit, and will continue to be legit. Sounds like they are passing the flame to the 2031 Birddogs as there are barely enough players to form teams between the two age groups.

HHH 26 has pulled in a few dawgs over the years. but not many. HHH/Mesa 27 will be ok. Neither will have 15 D1 commits. Maybe a few guys playing for Chestnut Hill College and perhaps a few MCLA players.

1. Birddogs are a "national" team built around BM's 2032 son.
2. the 26 definately has D1 talent maybe not at the level of the 25s but besides Team Ten in the 26s what team in PA will pull those schools? I think you will HHH and Team Ten will do just as well as those two teams did for the 25s. You are talking about kids that haven't finished puberty. HHH 26's do not have reclasses that the 25s have. Don't count them out.

And any kid that gets to play at the college level D1, 2, 3, MCLA, Club is very lucky. Sorry you weren't good enough. And I really hope you are paying enough money to make sure son amazing and sucking up to as many people as you can so you kid can go to a school you deem worthy. I feel bad for your son. He has a very large hill to climb.

Slow down! Nobody said MCLA schools are bad schools. Quite the opposite. I would actual make the argument that players who play in the MCLA are better off than trying to chase meaningless lax glory in a D1 program. HHH’s main focus has been places kids in top tier programs. I’m just saying there is most likely an inflection point they are facing where they will start placing kids in different types of programs than just Duke, UVA, Princeton, etc.

You my friend are the one proposing that lower tier “lacrosse” programs are not good universities.
Inter AC
1) Haverford
2) Malvern
3) EA

PIAA (AAA)
1) LaSalle
2) Radnor
3) Downingtown East

PIAA (AA)
1) Marple
2) Rustin
3) Bishop Shanahan

Delaware
1) Salesianum
2) Wilmington Friends
3) Archmere
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Inter AC
1) Haverford
2) Malvern
3) EA

PIAA (AAA)
1) LaSalle
2) Radnor
3) Downingtown East

PIAA (AA)
1) Marple
2) Rustin
3) Bishop Shanahan

Delaware
1) Salesianum
2) Wilmington Friends
3) Archmere

is there ever any variation in this exercise?
Springfield should be in the mix for PIAA (AAA). Ditto for Cape Henlopen in Delaware.
Malvern will pull it out. Looking forward to seeing EA with the new coach.

I think LaSalle is the best on paper, but they play a weak schedule and always seem to bow out in the state tournament when they play tough teams. If I was betting, I go with Radnor. Springfield Delco and Garnet Valley are just as good (if not better) as Downingtown East. Upper Merion and Penn Crest are better then Rustin and Shanahan.

I'd like to see who are the best teams in New Jersey if anyone has a list.
Salesianum has a great team but they have 1200 boys at the school. I'm not sure any school in Delaware (and most in PA) have that large a male student population. I'm guessing the next largest school has about 500 boys in it.
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Salesianum has a great team but they have 1200 boys at the school. I'm not sure any school in Delaware (and most in PA) have that large a male student population. I'm guessing the next largest school has about 500 boys in it.
Yep. Also why La Salle is great. Just the way it is. You can apply there if you want your son to have the experience. Or send it somewhere else to have a different experience. I think everybody here understands why sallies is so dominate in DE. That doesn’t reflect poorly on the other schools in the area.

In Philly, if you are a major D1 football talent, you go to The Prep. LaSalle has to go up against that monster every year with little shot at winning.
Please stop pretending to be an EA lax parent, you don't even know how to spell the coach's name and your intel is way off....
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Please stop pretending to be an EA lax parent, you don't even know how to spell the coach's name and your intel is way off....

Who in their right mind would pretend to be an EA lax parent? I just checked, the save episcopal dot com website is still up and running. That website is hilarious for anyone who needs a good chuckle today.
EA will [Censored], overrated every year…mostly by their parents.
I love the Reisch hire at PC; saw the young coach during a scrimmage v Lasalle; they got smoked but he was energetic, positivity was everywhere and the boys were engaged…he’ll turn them around
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Inter AC
1) Haverford
2) Malvern
3) EA

PIAA (AAA)
1) LaSalle
2) Radnor
3) Downingtown East

PIAA (AA)
1) Marple
2) Rustin
3) Bishop Shanahan

Delaware
1) Salesianum
2) Wilmington Friends
3) Archmere

Agree with the Interac order-Malvern looks better on paper right now but Haverford does a better job adjusting their roster as season goes on. Malvern runs a very short bench, needs to do a better job bringing kids along.
Lasalle and DE have weak schedules and have shown themselves to not be tested by playoff time and tend to flame out early. DE always seems to under perform. Springfield will certainly be in the mix.
Delaware always a two horse race with Salesianum and Cape.
CNN news alert Salesianum gonna be Frodo of Philly.
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CNN news alert Salesianum gonna be Frodo of Philly.
What is that supposed to mean?
I never thought we would get a Tolkien reference on this board. I guess it means the protagonist that will win in the end. Salesianum has an incredible team. They beat Malvern last year and may have a better team this year. I think both teams get beat by Radnor and Haverford.

My top 20 is Haverford, Radnor, Malvern, Springfield, Salesianum, Garnet Valley, LaSalle, EA, Marple, Downingtown East, Unionville, Rustin, Spring Ford, Avon Grove, CB East, Penn Crest, Upper Merion, SJP, Pennridge, Bishop Sahanan.
Drinking again?
Delaware people are different
Haverford is pulling down the top spot according to Phillylacrosse.com article. I find it hard to believe that only two south Jersey teams are even mentioned as a potential top team. Honorable mention for Shawnee and St Augustine Prep. Is Manheim Twp that good or do they play a weak schedule?
SNJ lacrosse doesn’t come close to playing at the Philly lax level, are you serious?
NXT Spring League schedules are out. Very surprised by the lack of HHH teams. The sole entry from HHH is the Birdogs. Anybody know what the deal is?
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NXT Spring League schedules are out. Very surprised by the lack of HHH teams. The sole entry from HHH is the Birdogs. Anybody know what the deal is?

Seriously...who cares? It's a youth spring league. We have some of the best high school lacrosse in the country and the college season is well on its way and you are worried about a team of 11 year old kids who have to pay money to play lacrosse. Nobody thinks the kid who is 13 and is a two time hold back is a good athlete except their parent. It is a joke.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NXT Spring League schedules are out. Very surprised by the lack of HHH teams. The sole entry from HHH is the Birdogs. Anybody know what the deal is?

Seriously...who cares? It's a youth spring league. We have some of the best high school lacrosse in the country and the college season is well on its way and you are worried about a team of 11 year old kids who have to pay money to play lacrosse. Nobody thinks the kid who is 13 and is a two time hold back is a good athlete except their parent. It is a joke.

You do realize there are more youth lacrosse players in the area than high school lacrosse players, right? Why do I care? I'll connect it for you. HHH is THE premier high school club team in the area. Hands down. There is no argument for any other team. Look at their D1 commits over the past 5 years if you need any more evidence. I like to keep an eye on the good teams, youth, high school, and college. It's fun to watch at all levels. HHH is just absent from the spring league. Curious if they are fielding youth teams or if they are just going to concentrate on high school going forward. Birdogs are a one off. That is well documented. It makes sense. Just curious about the others.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NXT Spring League schedules are out. Very surprised by the lack of HHH teams. The sole entry from HHH is the Birdogs. Anybody know what the deal is?

Seriously...who cares? It's a youth spring league. We have some of the best high school lacrosse in the country and the college season is well on its way and you are worried about a team of 11 year old kids who have to pay money to play lacrosse. Nobody thinks the kid who is 13 and is a two time hold back is a good athlete except their parent. It is a joke.

I think people care that a once prominent club appears to be in trouble. The holdback thing is tired. People whose kids are not good enough to play at their age group, hold them back. Get over it. We all have different priorities.
HHH youth program is non-existent; any team they have under 2027 is non-competitive. Not sure even BM knows what his plan is, just offer HS kids NLF access I guess
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NXT Spring League schedules are out. Very surprised by the lack of HHH teams. The sole entry from HHH is the Birdogs. Anybody know what the deal is?

Seriously...who cares? It's a youth spring league. We have some of the best high school lacrosse in the country and the college season is well on its way and you are worried about a team of 11 year old kids who have to pay money to play lacrosse. Nobody thinks the kid who is 13 and is a two time hold back is a good athlete except their parent. It is a joke.

You do realize there are more youth lacrosse players in the area than high school lacrosse players, right? Why do I care? I'll connect it for you. HHH is THE premier high school club team in the area. Hands down. There is no argument for any other team. Look at their D1 commits over the past 5 years if you need any more evidence. I like to keep an eye on the good teams, youth, high school, and college. It's fun to watch at all levels. HHH is just absent from the spring league. Curious if they are fielding youth teams or if they are just going to concentrate on high school going forward. Birdogs are a one off. That is well documented. It makes sense. Just curious about the others.

You don't think "is THE premier high school club" is stretching it a bit far. I will grant you "WAS the premier high school club." If you don't think there is an "argument" for another team, you are intellectually dishonest or impaired.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NXT Spring League schedules are out. Very surprised by the lack of HHH teams. The sole entry from HHH is the Birdogs. Anybody know what the deal is?

Seriously...who cares? It's a youth spring league. We have some of the best high school lacrosse in the country and the college season is well on its way and you are worried about a team of 11 year old kids who have to pay money to play lacrosse. Nobody thinks the kid who is 13 and is a two time hold back is a good athlete except their parent. It is a joke.

You do realize there are more youth lacrosse players in the area than high school lacrosse players, right? Why do I care? I'll connect it for you. HHH is THE premier high school club team in the area. Hands down. There is no argument for any other team. Look at their D1 commits over the past 5 years if you need any more evidence. I like to keep an eye on the good teams, youth, high school, and college. It's fun to watch at all levels. HHH is just absent from the spring league. Curious if they are fielding youth teams or if they are just going to concentrate on high school going forward. Birdogs are a one off. That is well documented. It makes sense. Just curious about the others.

No one follows youth lacrosse except for the kids parents. Nobody cares. The fact that a lax dad is coming on the site declaring HHH great or not great is the ultimate lost move. Nobody cares.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NXT Spring League schedules are out. Very surprised by the lack of HHH teams. The sole entry from HHH is the Birdogs. Anybody know what the deal is?

Seriously...who cares? It's a youth spring league. We have some of the best high school lacrosse in the country and the college season is well on its way and you are worried about a team of 11 year old kids who have to pay money to play lacrosse. Nobody thinks the kid who is 13 and is a two time hold back is a good athlete except their parent. It is a joke.

You do realize there are more youth lacrosse players in the area than high school lacrosse players, right? Why do I care? I'll connect it for you. HHH is THE premier high school club team in the area. Hands down. There is no argument for any other team. Look at their D1 commits over the past 5 years if you need any more evidence. I like to keep an eye on the good teams, youth, high school, and college. It's fun to watch at all levels. HHH is just absent from the spring league. Curious if they are fielding youth teams or if they are just going to concentrate on high school going forward. Birdogs are a one off. That is well documented. It makes sense. Just curious about the others.

No one follows youth lacrosse except for the kids parents. Nobody cares. The fact that a lax dad is coming on the site declaring HHH great or not great is the ultimate lost move. Nobody cares.

Yet somehow it got a conversation started.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NXT Spring League schedules are out. Very surprised by the lack of HHH teams. The sole entry from HHH is the Birdogs. Anybody know what the deal is?

Seriously...who cares? It's a youth spring league. We have some of the best high school lacrosse in the country and the college season is well on its way and you are worried about a team of 11 year old kids who have to pay money to play lacrosse. Nobody thinks the kid who is 13 and is a two time hold back is a good athlete except their parent. It is a joke.

You do realize there are more youth lacrosse players in the area than high school lacrosse players, right? Why do I care? I'll connect it for you. HHH is THE premier high school club team in the area. Hands down. There is no argument for any other team. Look at their D1 commits over the past 5 years if you need any more evidence. I like to keep an eye on the good teams, youth, high school, and college. It's fun to watch at all levels. HHH is just absent from the spring league. Curious if they are fielding youth teams or if they are just going to concentrate on high school going forward. Birdogs are a one off. That is well documented. It makes sense. Just curious about the others.

No one follows youth lacrosse except for the kids parents. Nobody cares. The fact that a lax dad is coming on the site declaring HHH great or not great is the ultimate lost move. Nobody cares.

You could extend that argument to high school lacrosse as well. So this a lacrosse board. For lacrosse parents. I’m assuming there are very few non-parents on this board. Your move.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NXT Spring League schedules are out. Very surprised by the lack of HHH teams. The sole entry from HHH is the Birdogs. Anybody know what the deal is?

Seriously...who cares? It's a youth spring league. We have some of the best high school lacrosse in the country and the college season is well on its way and you are worried about a team of 11 year old kids who have to pay money to play lacrosse. Nobody thinks the kid who is 13 and is a two time hold back is a good athlete except their parent. It is a joke.

You do realize there are more youth lacrosse players in the area than high school lacrosse players, right? Why do I care? I'll connect it for you. HHH is THE premier high school club team in the area. Hands down. There is no argument for any other team. Look at their D1 commits over the past 5 years if you need any more evidence. I like to keep an eye on the good teams, youth, high school, and college. It's fun to watch at all levels. HHH is just absent from the spring league. Curious if they are fielding youth teams or if they are just going to concentrate on high school going forward. Birdogs are a one off. That is well documented. It makes sense. Just curious about the others.

No one follows youth lacrosse except for the kids parents. Nobody cares. The fact that a lax dad is coming on the site declaring HHH great or not great is the ultimate lost move. Nobody cares.

You could extend that argument to high school lacrosse as well. So this a lacrosse board. For lacrosse parents. I’m assuming there are very few non-parents on this board. Your move.

You talk about one local youth lacrosse program ad nauseam. I am guessing there are about 100 players in that program. High school lacrosse encompasses about 5000 players in the region. I will say it again, nobody cares about youth lacrosse especially those who are not in high school because the players have not developed or lack a real lacrosse IQ. It’s nice to see your son play at the 10 year old level but no one wants to discuss it because it means nothing.
What I know: the Dads that claim “no one cares” are the Dads that care the most.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What I know: the Dads that claim “no one cares” are the Dads that care the most.

How many parents/people go on a lacrosse forum and talk about an 11 year old or their team? I rest my case.
People do care and people should care. If you watch local HS lax programs, or you follow any lacrosse at all, it’s nice to see where the future is coming from, what clubs generate the talent at the youth level, what HS teams could potentially make a run in the future…how do you not see that?
My kid is in HS and I keep tabs on what youth programs are doing well, which kens aren’t. It’s called local pride…sorry your kid was never good enough for you to care.
I am new to the board. Where can I find information on the Spring Ford Youth Lacrosse AA 11-12 year old starting attack line? Thanks in advanace.
The only youth lax programs discussed on this forum are the relevant ones…
SpringFord’s township team is brutal, so assume the same for the starting attack
(Serious answer to obviously fake question)
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HHH youth program is non-existent; any team they have under 2027 is non-competitive. Not sure even BM knows what his plan is, just offer HS kids NLF access I guess

BM high school team in similar trouble. Less than 20 players in the entire program this year. They haven't had a JV team for several years.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
HHH youth program is non-existent; any team they have under 2027 is non-competitive. Not sure even BM knows what his plan is, just offer HS kids NLF access I guess

BM high school team in similar trouble. Less than 20 players in the entire program this year. They haven't had a JV team for several years.

Who and where is BM High School?
Word is there is no pressure for BM at GA, which is a problem. Rich parents just love their kid is playing varsity as a freshman, even though they [Censored]. I will say, he is a really good coach, knows his stuff. Unfortunately, zero athletes at GA. Also, he lost out on PC job.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
HHH youth program is non-existent; any team they have under 2027 is non-competitive. Not sure even BM knows what his plan is, just offer HS kids NLF access I guess

BM high school team in similar trouble. Less than 20 players in the entire program this year. They haven't had a JV team for several years.

Who and where is BM High School?

Germantown Academy - Fort Washington
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Word is there is no pressure for BM at GA, which is a problem. Rich parents just love their kid is playing varsity as a freshman, even though they [Censored]. I will say, he is a really good coach, knows his stuff. Unfortunately, zero athletes at GA. Also, he lost out on PC job.

I think its more...he wants you to go to GA because you want to go to GA not because of lacrosse. No recruiting. No wining and dining. So kids are picking other schools. He is a great coach and does a lot with a little. And obviously has a great recruiting record for helping kids get into great colleges even if they don't play high school lax for him.
That’s fair and I definitely agree on all your points…but isn’t the role of a HC of a program to recruit and succeed?
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That’s fair and I definitely agree on all your points…but isn’t the role of a HC of a program to recruit and succeed?

You seem like a sad person with no friends.
I will read this forum from time to time and I see some of the most brutal things said about kids, programs and coaches. You clearly are jealous of something. Whether it be lack of money, wishing your child was more athletic or maybe you are still living in the past. Who knows. Unless your son or daughter goes to GA, you should probably keep your comments to yourself. To say they have no athletes is ignorant. Being in the Inter-Ac, they will get to play against the best players in the country. They will gain skills and experience. Anyone involved in sports knows that the strengths of teams is cyclical, just takes a few recruits to bring top players to a program. You sound a bit [Censored] hurt about the GA players getting to play in games rather than being on the bench 3 spots behind other players.
You GA parents are the worst;
Everything the guy said was true, just accept it. GA lax is not good, hasn’t been in a very long time. They do not have enough lax talent going there, they’d lose in any conference they plan in.
Get over yourself, Dads. Being the laughingstock of the inter-ac doesn’t impress anyone - take a lap
Insufferable GA Dads are the worst
I’ll never understand why a player would sit on the bench for 3 years especially if the school is mid in academics.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
That’s fair and I definitely agree on all your points…but isn’t the role of a HC of a program to recruit and succeed?

You seem like a sad person with no friends.

actually I think he has a valid point.

BM's a lax bro who married well. Doesn't really have to put in full effort at the 9-5 or at his summer job.
Lol "Dads". It seems there is a weird obsession with HHH and BM. Maybe some of you "Dads" should worry about your kids and your coaches, rather than the jealousy that rules your everyday life. GA and PC are having tough runs, they are not spending money on recruiting just education. SCH has dumped money into recruiting, good on them. These schools pull from a smaller group of players.
You and your sons will look back and wished they could have just played in HS, rather than ball hunting. There is no future in lacrosse, just a means to get to a better college or university.
Insufferable Dads? Throwing rocks in glass buildings? I don't have any affiliation with these schools and the Dads are the same everywhere, all puffing their chests out regardless of the kids talent. Take care of your own. Pretty sure that the teams that are lacking talent, know it. It seems some of you just enjoy stepping on some of these schools for some reason. Maybe it comes down to academics. Some schools actually have a level of academics you need to achieve to get in.
Academics? Hahahahaha
Well done, sir
ANC over PC, to be expected I guess.
Love this time of year!
Anyone know how the lasalle v Salesianum scrimmage went?
Shipley over GA. Not a great look for BM. All of the teams he coaches may be 0-fer-the-spring. circling the drain.
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Shipley over GA. Not a great look for BM. All of the teams he coaches may be 0-fer-the-spring. circling the drain.

Any guesses on the identity of this obsessed hater ? Hint, answer not surprising.
Leave GA alone, how dare you! I’ve learned from some of these “occasional posters” that anyone insulting GA is either jealous of their education or of their family wealth.
So, which one are you, sir?
streamed GA vs. Conestoga today: both teams were terrible fundamentally, each team went offsides 9x, and both utilized the glaring lack of shot clock effectively. GA's junk zone and an above average goalie helped them stay in the game. GA will do really well in the InterAc this year...and by "really well" I mean they will get absolutely demolished by everyone. Only chance they have to get a league win will be a 3-2 game vs. EA or PC. Stoga has a really good athletic D and a legit Goalie, one talented (but lazy) LH attackman, and a legit Middie (#9) who was lost vs. the GA zone. Watching Brody try to beat the zone was stale/unwatchable/laughable. Watching BM try to coach against an average high school team was just sad. Young Rambo from GA should transfer to Hford or Malvern ASAP. Stoga 6 GA 3.
You feel better? Both teams are lacking talent but they are working hard to get better. This forum shouldn't be a place to put kids down. Get a life, seems completely strange that you are wasting your time dissecting two teams that are trying to be better.... neither of these teams are boasting how great they are.
Attacking individual players is an all time low. Nothing hood can come out of that.
Nice win by Avon Grove over Spring Ford. Spring ford always puts a good team in the field but Avon Grove has some young talent. Any idea who will be the top team in the PAC?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
streamed GA vs. Conestoga today: both teams were terrible fundamentally, each team went offsides 9x, and both utilized the glaring lack of shot clock effectively. GA's junk zone and an above average goalie helped them stay in the game. GA will do really well in the InterAc this year...and by "really well" I mean they will get absolutely demolished by everyone. Only chance they have to get a league win will be a 3-2 game vs. EA or PC. Stoga has a really good athletic D and a legit Goalie, one talented (but lazy) LH attackman, and a legit Middie (#9) who was lost vs. the GA zone. Watching Brody try to beat the zone was stale/unwatchable/laughable. Watching BM try to coach against an average high school team was just sad. Young Rambo from GA should transfer to Hford or Malvern ASAP. Stoga 6 GA 3.
Wow, what person bag! Your problems with Brody and BM make you act like a very little man.
A zone D in high school lacrosse? On one hand that is brilliant as it’s so vastly different than what everyone else runs you have to generate an offensive scheme on the the spot to compete. On the other hand, there is a reason they can’t go man to man. Either way, the man is doing what he can with the talent the school has. It’s a private school. If the administration doesn’t support the team this is the impact. I think it’s pretty admirable he’s sticking by his guys and coaching them up and scheming them into a better position. He’s not the problem in this scenario.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
streamed GA vs. Conestoga today: both teams were terrible fundamentally, each team went offsides 9x, and both utilized the glaring lack of shot clock effectively. GA's junk zone and an above average goalie helped them stay in the game. GA will do really well in the InterAc this year...and by "really well" I mean they will get absolutely demolished by everyone. Only chance they have to get a league win will be a 3-2 game vs. EA or PC. Stoga has a really good athletic D and a legit Goalie, one talented (but lazy) LH attackman, and a legit Middie (#9) who was lost vs. the GA zone. Watching Brody try to beat the zone was stale/unwatchable/laughable. Watching BM try to coach against an average high school team was just sad. Young Rambo from GA should transfer to Hford or Malvern ASAP. Stoga 6 GA 3.
Wow, what person bag! Your problems with Brody and BM make you act like a very little man.
Odd edit to the preceding post. The moderator is okay with kids bullied online but not an anonymous (adult/operator of a club team) being criticized.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
streamed GA vs. Conestoga today: both teams were terrible fundamentally, each team went offsides 9x, and both utilized the glaring lack of shot clock effectively. GA's junk zone and an above average goalie helped them stay in the game. GA will do really well in the InterAc this year...and by "really well" I mean they will get absolutely demolished by everyone. Only chance they have to get a league win will be a 3-2 game vs. EA or PC. Stoga has a really good athletic D and a legit Goalie, one talented (but lazy) LH attackman, and a legit Middie (#9) who was lost vs. the GA zone. Watching Brody try to beat the zone was stale/unwatchable/laughable. Watching BM try to coach against an average high school team was just sad. Young Rambo from GA should transfer to Hford or Malvern ASAP. Stoga 6 GA 3.
Wow, what person bag! Your problems with Brody and BM make you act like a very little man.

Strange that the moderator would edit a post using a fairly tame insult for a despicable person, based on the old terminology that almost no one knows. But has no issues with an adult trashing other adults and directly bullying kids. Back of the cage your sensitivities are wildly out of whack.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
streamed GA vs. Conestoga today: both teams were terrible fundamentally, each team went offsides 9x, and both utilized the glaring lack of shot clock effectively. GA's junk zone and an above average goalie helped them stay in the game. GA will do really well in the InterAc this year...and by "really well" I mean they will get absolutely demolished by everyone. Only chance they have to get a league win will be a 3-2 game vs. EA or PC. Stoga has a really good athletic D and a legit Goalie, one talented (but lazy) LH attackman, and a legit Middie (#9) who was lost vs. the GA zone. Watching Brody try to beat the zone was stale/unwatchable/laughable. Watching BM try to coach against an average high school team was just sad. Young Rambo from GA should transfer to Hford or Malvern ASAP. Stoga 6 GA 3.
Wow, what person bag! Your problems with Brody and BM make you act like a very little man.

Strange that the moderator would edit a post using a fairly tame insult for a despicable person, based on the old terminology that almost no one knows. But has no issues with an adult trashing other adults and directly bullying kids. Back of the cage your sensitivities are wildly out of whack.

Come on… he was actually being very positive about any kids he mentioned. Legit, athletic, talented are the adjectives he used to describe the kids mentioned. Negatives were associated to coaches who were not coaching properly
BM is a good coach; they’ve been running that “zone” for a bit, helps with less talented players (please don’t get upset, Dads). It certainly stifled ANC last year…
Gotta be creative w what you have, I think BM does that.
18-0 against a mediocre St Albany’s though?
Yikes
Pretty odd. In other sports, kids pile into programs to be coached by a guy with his resume and track record. He clearly has the connections to land kids spots on college programs. Has to be administration, right?
Whatever it is, it’s not particularly interesting.

Let’s hear about the first weekend of NXT Spring League. Who are the early favorites in 28AA?
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
streamed GA vs. Conestoga today: both teams were terrible fundamentally, each team went offsides 9x, and both utilized the glaring lack of shot clock effectively. GA's junk zone and an above average goalie helped them stay in the game. GA will do really well in the InterAc this year...and by "really well" I mean they will get absolutely demolished by everyone. Only chance they have to get a league win will be a 3-2 game vs. EA or PC. Stoga has a really good athletic D and a legit Goalie, one talented (but lazy) LH attackman, and a legit Middie (#9) who was lost vs. the GA zone. Watching Brody try to beat the zone was stale/unwatchable/laughable. Watching BM try to coach against an average high school team was just sad. Young Rambo from GA should transfer to Hford or Malvern ASAP. Stoga 6 GA 3.
Wow, what person bag! Your problems with Brody and BM make you act like a very little man.

Strange that the moderator would edit a post using a fairly tame insult for a despicable person, based on the old terminology that almost no one knows. But has no issues with an adult trashing other adults and directly bullying kids. Back of the cage your sensitivities are wildly out of whack.

Come on… he was actually being very positive about any kids he mentioned. Legit, athletic, talented are the adjectives he used to describe the kids mentioned. Negatives were associated to coaches who were not coaching properly
You think calling a kid lazy is positive?
Simple explanation? Author nice to the kids cited who pay for his club? Mean to the one who declined to pay him and his club? Mean to the school coach team that fired him? Mean to the competitor that is a much better coach and better club?
Freedom is the 28AA favorite until someone beats them, seems like they weren’t really challenged yesterday. Looks like Red Hots entered a team but didn’t play on Sunday. You never know who’ll show up for them but they could challenge Freedom if they get top kids to travel to PA.
Duke’s 28 AA is a great team, although one of their players reclassed I heard.
Freedom seems to have their number though so we’ll see…
Conestoga lost to Avon Grove. Not sure what that means. Is Stoga down this year, is GA not good, or perhaps Avon Grove is a good team?
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Simple explanation? Author nice to the kids cited who pay for his club? Mean to the one who declined to pay him and his club? Mean to the school coach team that fired him? Mean to the competitor that is a much better coach and better club?
Sounds like there is a backstory. What is it?
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Conestoga lost to Avon Grove. Not sure what that means. Is Stoga down this year, is GA not good, or perhaps Avon Grove is a good team?

Avon Grove seems to be pretty solid this year. Stoga has been down for a few years now.
Haverford and Malvern both working through some early season jitters / sloppiness (failed clears, missed opportunities, etc) but both look strong so far and both had dominate wins over MIAA teams yesterday. Haverfords rope unit combined with their defense make it very hard for their opponents to get possession, build momentum and go on runs. Good luck to both teams the rest of the season. Will be interesting to see how Malvern does against St Anthony's in their early season match up.
Big wins for Philly HS, love to see it!
Fords controlled the FO against McDonough, really impressive to see…
St Anta just took down Culver so that will be a battle
Lasalle with a statement win against The Hill Academy. Just the type of victory RF needed; gonna be a fun season for local HS lax
Good to see the PA holdbacks are beating the MD holdbacks. The Commonwealth is winning the battle of the fool dads.
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Lasalle with a statement win against The Hill Academy. Just the type of victory RF needed; gonna be a fun season for local HS lax

Real statement. Lasalle and Haverford are top two in Philly. No doubt about it. Best coaching. Most talented players. Add Salesianum to mix if including DE.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lasalle with a statement win against The Hill Academy. Just the type of victory RF needed; gonna be a fun season for local HS lax

Real statement. Lasalle and Haverford are top two in Philly. No doubt about it. Best coaching. Most talented players. Add Salesianum to mix if including DE.

Silly not to include Malvern in the conversation of top two in Philly. Malvern could finish number 1 when it's all said and done and for my money they're better and deeper than La Salle right now.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lasalle with a statement win against The Hill Academy. Just the type of victory RF needed; gonna be a fun season for local HS lax

Real statement. Lasalle and Haverford are top two in Philly. No doubt about it. Best coaching. Most talented players. Add Salesianum to mix if including DE.

Silly not to include Malvern in the conversation of top two in Philly. Malvern could finish number 1 when it's all said and done and for my money they're better and deeper than La Salle right now.

Radnor just said "hold my beer".
Lost to Haverford twice, Radnor, Salesianum and dem losses and behind La Salle, Springfield maybe Marple. Got to win not lose to be in a conversation.
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lasalle with a statement win against The Hill Academy. Just the type of victory RF needed; gonna be a fun season for local HS lax

Real statement. Lasalle and Haverford are top two in Philly. No doubt about it. Best coaching. Most talented players. Add Salesianum to mix if including DE.

Silly not to include Malvern in the conversation of top two in Philly. Malvern could finish number 1 when it's all said and done and for my money they're better and deeper than La Salle right now.

Radnor just said "hold my beer".

Radnor did not beat Malvern this year. Using last year's head to head results is also silly. McDonogh beat Haverford last year and lost to them this year. New year new teams should go without saying. Leave this conversation to the people that have common sense.
Radnor should never ever beat Malvern. The fact that it happened is embarrassing. Radnor is a great team. But it's public, meaning they don't have the ability to recruit kids from all over the area to form a national powerhouse every year.
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Radnor should never ever beat Malvern. The fact that it happened is embarrassing. Radnor is a great team. But it's public, meaning they don't have the ability to recruit kids from all over the area to form a national powerhouse every year.

What should happen and what does happen are two different things. By Malvern's standards they had a down year last year. Malvern had some major injuries last year, two of their top middies did not play all year. Similar to Haverford School, they played a lot of sophmores last year. Radnor was arguable the top public school team in the nation last year so it is not surprising that they beat Malvern last year. New year, new teams. So far this year, Malvern looks better than last year looking at their games so far and considering all their super sophmores last year are now juniors with more experience under their belt. Radnor will most likely be one of the top public schools in the nation again. Look for Springfield to make some noise as they return two great lefties from injury, one of which is arguable the top player in the 2026 class.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Radnor should never ever beat Malvern. The fact that it happened is embarrassing. Radnor is a great team. But it's public, meaning they don't have the ability to recruit kids from all over the area to form a national powerhouse every year.
Truth - What Radnor does is amazing!
That’s a silly statement; no private school should ever lose to a public? Those kids have all played together since middle school, I wouldn’t say they are at a major disadvantage. Give me a break
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That’s a silly statement; no private school should ever lose to a public? Those kids have all played together since middle school, I wouldn’t say they are at a major disadvantage. Give me a break
Over statement, yes. Silly statement, not even close. It seems like you are being deliberately dense. Private schools recruit and kids go to them for the sole reason for playing high level sports. The fact that Radnor has been able to keep their talent is really something.
can recruit all you want but if no one is willing to fork over 40K you get what we saw last night.

Radnor 11 EA 5

EA daddies were sad that their little princes were losing and blamed the refs. one dad got kicked out. The refs had too stop the game and gina buggy escorted him to the parking lot.
/chefskiss
Originally Posted by Anonymous
can recruit all you want but if no one is willing to fork over 40K you get what we saw last night.

Radnor 11 EA 5

EA daddies were sad that their little princes were losing and blamed the refs. one dad got kicked out. The refs had too stop the game and gina buggy escorted him to the parking lot.
/chefskiss

EA aint Malvern. nuff said
What Radnor has accomplished is tremendous, I’m not negating that. The issue for the Philly area is, the tea tons of great private schools, so the talent pool is spread out. If you look at other areas, there only a few private schools kids would select; Philly area has tons, making it harder to build a powerhouse, I’d argue it’s similar for the girls as well.
Again, not taking away from Radnor but the idea that private should never lose to a public is silly
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What Radnor has accomplished is tremendous, I’m not negating that. The issue for the Philly area is, the tea tons of great private schools, so the talent pool is spread out. If you look at other areas, there only a few private schools kids would select; Philly area has tons, making it harder to build a powerhouse, I’d argue it’s similar for the girls as well.
Again, not taking away from Radnor but the idea that private should never lose to a public is silly

I would classify teams that are perennially ranked on the top 25 in country as powerhouses ( Malvern/Haverford). Include lasalle and Sallies in there for catholic options and that is about it for private schools with lax traditions in the area.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
can recruit all you want but if no one is willing to fork over 40K you get what we saw last night.

Radnor 11 EA 5

EA daddies were sad that their little princes were losing and blamed the refs. one dad got kicked out. The refs had too stop the game and gina buggy escorted him to the parking lot.
/chefskiss

EA aint Malvern. nuff said

For sure this is true. EA is different. Malvern and Haverford put a lot more money into aide for athletes. I suspect (almost know) athletes with less need for aide are still getting it to bring them in. I am not sure if providing scholarships for prep school athletes is a good thing or not. But if you can (and do) buy the talent, it is easier to win.
Miney being given out to athletes to attend private HS
Is so overblown, it’s ridiculous. Public school parents love to conject, it’s simply not true. If money is given, it’s very little and the kid is a multi sport athlete, not just lax. Moreover, 95+% of money given is for kids in need
my job is brining me to the Philadelphia area in a few weeks and to change things up here on the board my daughter was interested in William Penn Charter for girls lacrosse - we were going to look but I see they lost like 10 games last year and 3 games already this year - the home we are living in is in chestnut hill and my daughter was top 2026 midfielder on Long Island for yellow jackets - any idea of other good private schools to consider with good coaches?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Miney being given out to athletes to attend private HS
Is so overblown, it’s ridiculous. Public school parents love to conject, it’s simply not true. If money is given, it’s very little and the kid is a multi sport athlete, not just lax. Moreover, 95+% of money given is for kids in need
Nonsense. It is all couched as "need". I know for a fact of at least one case of a family getting money and the family earning north of $200k. Now $40k a year tuition for a $200k+ family is a lot. Is the family needed? No! Pretend it doesn't happen, but it happens a lot. Maybe these parents are lying, but I doubt it.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Miney being given out to athletes to attend private HS
Is so overblown, it’s ridiculous. Public school parents love to conject, it’s simply not true. If money is given, it’s very little and the kid is a multi sport athlete, not just lax. Moreover, 95+% of money given is for kids in need

Lax ain’t a poor man’s game. The kids that Malvern want don’t need financial aide. They want the ego stroke of getting recruited to a top tier school more than the money. Lax parents are willing to pay up for anything. See national teams and club ball as examples
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my job is brining me to the Philadelphia area in a few weeks and to change things up here on the board my daughter was interested in William Penn Charter for girls lacrosse - we were going to look but I see they lost like 10 games last year and 3 games already this year - the home we are living in is in chestnut hill and my daughter was top 2026 midfielder on Long Island for yellow jackets - any idea of other good private schools to consider with good coaches?

I think it depends upon the club team your daughter is going to play for and if you want club coach to match high school coach.
The two best private schools for lacrosse near where you are living is SCH Academy or Penn Charter. Both are strong academically. PC - HHH based and SCH - Reigh based. BUT you will see girls from both clubs on both teams. SCH has had more success lately and would be right down the road. SCH has more girls from the area on their team where PC pulls more from outside Philly. Unless you are willing to travel over 40 minutes for school (Episcopal Academy or Agnes Irwin) those are your best bets.
Chestnut Hill is close enough to schools like Agnes Irwin and Notre Dame - which have pretty successful girls programs. Episcopal would be a bit of a stretch for your family but I have seen further commutes. There is a list of girls schools on the main line but AIS and Notre Dame probably have the best lax.
thank you for ideas will definitely look at Springside too / we had heard on episcopal that there is some big politics on the club side with a club called blast pa club and that a girl recently transferred from episcopal to william penn charter because of issues with coach @ episcopal also involved with blast pa club / apparently girl was cut as a freshman and played jv as a sophomore at episcopal even though she was on USA Lacrosse U16 development team / how do other parents allow this to happen / is this the same episcopal that fired their well-known boys coach who also coaches in PLL? / we definitely dont want a coach that is involved with a club / does that change the list / is gernantown viable
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thank you for ideas will definitely look at Springside too / we had heard on episcopal that there is some big politics on the club side with a club called blast pa club and that a girl recently transferred from episcopal to william penn charter because of issues with coach @ episcopal also involved with blast pa club / apparently girl was cut as a freshman and played jv as a sophomore at episcopal even though she was on USA Lacrosse U16 development team / how do other parents allow this to happen / is this the same episcopal that fired their well-known boys coach who also coaches in PLL? / we definitely dont want a coach that is involved with a club / does that change the list / is gernantown viable

Can't speak to any of the EA girls team drama except that team has been #1 in the state and just beat the #1 team in the nation this weekend. Just graduated at girl who is playing at Northwestern...so alot of talent on that team. There was no EA girl on the U16 team. Just from Agnes Irwin. Politics are going to be at every high school. I would be more interested in the academics, the players on the team being welcoming as your daughter will be a junior (can be some drama there). But yes if you want to stay in a 15 minute radius GA, SCH and PC will be great. Can also add in The Mount. If you are willing to travel EA, Agnes Irwin and Notre Dame are at the top. All inter-ac team are top in the area. And SCH EA and AI have gone back and forth the part couple of years with wins.
been on the phone with a few people from pa who are 'in the know' and fact checking - hoping none of them are on this board - I think we are staying away from ea - and win over McD or not (and McD is down this year and our St.A team saw them @ indoor nationals and several of their top girls were out and new coach etc) - heard one of 2025 commits on the ea team that has a sister on an acc team asked unc coaches not to recruit a philadelphiiia girl (also an acc player) who was transferring from a rival acc and considering nw, bc, unc - unc stayed away and the other two heavily recruited her - there is some guy named Bob (who is from L.I. who also had a hand is this plus training the top philadelphiiia girls) and anyway now the ea girl is committed to bc and has to play two years with the girl and both families know - coach from william penn charter is also a club coach and was calling around to the unc and other college coaches for the family of the ea girl trying to dictate who they recruit etc - the same coach runs the committed games in July for a club called hhh - is this really happening and aren't the other families outraged enough to do something? same family apparently threatened to sue a D.C. area club for a foul in a game last summer? I might leave my daughter at St. A's and just commute - we have 29 D1 commits in our program and 11 play JV - think about how tough that is for for those 11 families - but I gotta tell you this other stuff seems unbearable in comparison jeez sorry for monday download - thanks for advices all
Originally Posted by Anonymous
been on the phone with a few people from pa who are 'in the know' and fact checking - hoping none of them are on this board - I think we are staying away from ea - and win over McD or not (and McD is down this year and our St.A team saw them @ indoor nationals and several of their top girls were out and new coach etc) - heard one of 2025 commits on the ea team that has a sister on an acc team asked unc coaches not to recruit a philadelphiiia girl (also an acc player) who was transferring from a rival acc and considering nw, bc, unc - unc stayed away and the other two heavily recruited her - there is some guy named Bob (who is from L.I. who also had a hand is this plus training the top philadelphiiia girls) and anyway now the ea girl is committed to bc and has to play two years with the girl and both families know - coach from william penn charter is also a club coach and was calling around to the unc and other college coaches for the family of the ea girl trying to dictate who they recruit etc - the same coach runs the committed games in July for a club called hhh - is this really happening and aren't the other families outraged enough to do something? same family apparently threatened to sue a D.C. area club for a foul in a game last summer? I might leave my daughter at St. A's and just commute - we have 29 D1 commits in our program and 11 play JV - think about how tough that is for for those 11 families - but I gotta tell you this other stuff seems unbearable in comparison jeez sorry for monday download - thanks for advices all

I can't tell if this is a joke a this point. This is all too much to even follow. Yes keep your daughter in LI. Sounds like that is the better fit. Good luck to your daughter because if you are really doing this much research to find a team kudos...and sounds like the high school team won't matter because your daughter will be a lock to commit Sept 1st.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Miney being given out to athletes to attend private HS
Is so overblown, it’s ridiculous. Public school parents love to conject, it’s simply not true. If money is given, it’s very little and the kid is a multi sport athlete, not just lax. Moreover, 95+% of money given is for kids in need

Lax ain’t a poor man’s game. The kids that Malvern want don’t need financial aide. They want the ego stroke of getting recruited to a top tier school more than the money. Lax parents are willing to pay up for anything. See national teams and club ball as examples
Contrary to what you say Malvern, Haverford & EA all want kids who need aide. Maybe not want them, but they will provide the aide to get kids who will help them win. The magnitude of the aide will depend on the wealth of the parents.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
been on the phone with a few people from pa who are 'in the know' and fact checking - hoping none of them are on this board - I think we are staying away from ea - and win over McD or not (and McD is down this year and our St.A team saw them @ indoor nationals and several of their top girls were out and new coach etc) - heard one of 2025 commits on the ea team that has a sister on an acc team asked unc coaches not to recruit a philadelphiiia girl (also an acc player) who was transferring from a rival acc and considering nw, bc, unc - unc stayed away and the other two heavily recruited her - there is some guy named Bob (who is from L.I. who also had a hand is this plus training the top philadelphiiia girls) and anyway now the ea girl is committed to bc and has to play two years with the girl and both families know - coach from william penn charter is also a club coach and was calling around to the unc and other college coaches for the family of the ea girl trying to dictate who they recruit etc - the same coach runs the committed games in July for a club called hhh - is this really happening and aren't the other families outraged enough to do something? same family apparently threatened to sue a D.C. area club for a foul in a game last summer? I might leave my daughter at St. A's and just commute - we have 29 D1 commits in our program and 11 play JV - think about how tough that is for for those 11 families - but I gotta tell you this other stuff seems unbearable in comparison jeez sorry for monday download - thanks for advices all

Huh?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
been on the phone with a few people from pa who are 'in the know' and fact checking - hoping none of them are on this board - I think we are staying away from ea - and win over McD or not (and McD is down this year and our St.A team saw them @ indoor nationals and several of their top girls were out and new coach etc) - heard one of 2025 commits on the ea team that has a sister on an acc team asked unc coaches not to recruit a philadelphiiia girl (also an acc player) who was transferring from a rival acc and considering nw, bc, unc - unc stayed away and the other two heavily recruited her - there is some guy named Bob (who is from L.I. who also had a hand is this plus training the top philadelphiiia girls) and anyway now the ea girl is committed to bc and has to play two years with the girl and both families know - coach from william penn charter is also a club coach and was calling around to the unc and other college coaches for the family of the ea girl trying to dictate who they recruit etc - the same coach runs the committed games in July for a club called hhh - is this really happening and aren't the other families outraged enough to do something? same family apparently threatened to sue a D.C. area club for a foul in a game last summer? I might leave my daughter at St. A's and just commute - we have 29 D1 commits in our program and 11 play JV - think about how tough that is for for those 11 families - but I gotta tell you this other stuff seems unbearable in comparison jeez sorry for monday download - thanks for advices all

I can't tell if this is a joke a this point. This is all too much to even follow. Yes keep your daughter in LI. Sounds like that is the better fit. Good luck to your daughter because if you are really doing this much research to find a team kudos...and sounds like the high school team won't matter because your daughter will be a lock to commit Sept 1st.

I would say this "move" to Philly is starting to seem like a ruse so poster can just spout off a bunch of gossip and accusations. Seems suspicious.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lost to Haverford twice, Radnor, Salesianum and dem losses and behind La Salle, Springfield maybe Marple. Got to win not lose to be in a conversation.

Marple! Come on...they need to finish in the top half of the Central League before you start mentioning them with the traditional Philly powers. Some of those schools JV teams could win the PIAA AA Championship.
Radnor and Springfield may be two of the top public HS teams in the country. Marple is not far behind them. They are a very talented team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
been on the phone with a few people from pa who are 'in the know' and fact checking - hoping none of them are on this board - I think we are staying away from ea - and win over McD or not (and McD is down this year and our St.A team saw them @ indoor nationals and several of their top girls were out and new coach etc) - heard one of 2025 commits on the ea team that has a sister on an acc team asked unc coaches not to recruit a philadelphiiia girl (also an acc player) who was transferring from a rival acc and considering nw, bc, unc - unc stayed away and the other two heavily recruited her - there is some guy named Bob (who is from L.I. who also had a hand is this plus training the top philadelphiiia girls) and anyway now the ea girl is committed to bc and has to play two years with the girl and both families know - coach from william penn charter is also a club coach and was calling around to the unc and other college coaches for the family of the ea girl trying to dictate who they recruit etc - the same coach runs the committed games in July for a club called hhh - is this really happening and aren't the other families outraged enough to do something? same family apparently threatened to sue a D.C. area club for a foul in a game last summer? I might leave my daughter at St. A's and just commute - we have 29 D1 commits in our program and 11 play JV - think about how tough that is for for those 11 families - but I gotta tell you this other stuff seems unbearable in comparison jeez sorry for monday download - thanks for advices all

I can't tell if this is a joke a this point. This is all too much to even follow. Yes keep your daughter in LI. Sounds like that is the better fit. Good luck to your daughter because if you are really doing this much research to find a team kudos...and sounds like the high school team won't matter because your daughter will be a lock to commit Sept 1st.

I would say this "move" to Philly is starting to seem like a ruse so poster can just spout off a bunch of gossip and accusations. Seems suspicious.

for real. Meth is dangerous people. stay away from it.
You sure spew a ton of conjecture for someone unfamiliar w the area and its schools.
With that said, I love gossip so give us more!
EA is shady. CM at PV is shady too, did I understand that correctly?
Spill the tea…
Originally Posted by Anonymous
been on the phone with a few people from pa who are 'in the know' and fact checking - hoping none of them are on this board - I think we are staying away from ea - and win over McD or not (and McD is down this year and our St.A team saw them @ indoor nationals and several of their top girls were out and new coach etc) - heard one of 2025 commits on the ea team that has a sister on an acc team asked unc coaches not to recruit a philadelphiiia girl (also an acc player) who was transferring from a rival acc and considering nw, bc, unc - unc stayed away and the other two heavily recruited her - there is some guy named Bob (who is from L.I. who also had a hand is this plus training the top philadelphiiia girls) and anyway now the ea girl is committed to bc and has to play two years with the girl and both families know - coach from william penn charter is also a club coach and was calling around to the unc and other college coaches for the family of the ea girl trying to dictate who they recruit etc - the same coach runs the committed games in July for a club called hhh - is this really happening and aren't the other families outraged enough to do something? same family apparently threatened to sue a D.C. area club for a foul in a game last summer? I might leave my daughter at St. A's and just commute - we have 29 D1 commits in our program and 11 play JV - think about how tough that is for for those 11 families - but I gotta tell you this other stuff seems unbearable in comparison jeez sorry for monday download - thanks for advices all

Take your meds and stay off the internet for awhile
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Radnor and Springfield may be two of the top public HS teams in the country. Marple is not far behind them. They are a very talented team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Radnor and Springfield may be two of the top public HS teams in the country. Marple is not far behind them. They are a very talented team.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Radnor and Springfield may be two of the top public HS teams in the country. Marple is not far behind them. They are a very talented team.

Marple is improving. They have never been right behind Radnor or Springfield.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You sure spew a ton of conjecture for someone unfamiliar w the area and its schools.
With that said, I love gossip so give us more!
EA is shady. CM at PV is shady too, did I understand that correctly?
Spill the tea…
Honestly, this sounds like some high school girl from EA who was on HHH and got cut. Torching all parties because they didn’t HIT THE WALL when all the other girls were. Sounds like you need to work on you more than hitting messages boards and spreading a bunch of lies and innuendo. Get a life little girl.

If I recall someone starting fishing for info on CM a few months back and there were zero responses. Add in some spice and everybody starts in.
Hhmm…good point! I do recall someone asking if CM focused too much on her club vs HS.
Something fishy going on here
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Hhmm…good point! I do recall someone asking if CM focused too much on her club vs HS.
Something fishy going on here

As a HHH parent, I'm good with that! wink
I e actually heard the opposite; young girls left frustrated when CM focused her recruiting assistance for players that attended PC vs just playing for HHH.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I e actually heard the opposite; young girls left frustrated when CM focused her recruiting assistance for players that attended PC vs just playing for HHH.

I have certainly never heard that. And I have spoken to many non-PC parents whose daughters play for HHH during the recruiting process.
Well, that settles that. Thank you for letting us know you “certainly” never heard that.
Unfortunately, I have also spoken to HHH parents and had this told to me directly (I’m an HHH a parent as well, so hoping it’s not the case).
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