This is kinda of interesting- LI Express sent out a tweet this morning that one of there Directors Mike Schwalje was just named Head Coach of Kellenberg HS...if u want to see it they are @ExpressLacross on twitter. They sent it out like 9am, so they seemed like they wanted the word out quick!

AND?

Congratulations!!!! Great pick up for Kellenberg.He is a great Coach and a great man!! Good Luck to Coach S and the team!!

Mike Schwalje, The LI Express must be real upset that he's gone! NOT! puh-lease. Just another Avenue for the Express to make more$$$$$$$. Thats what its all about!

As your name indicates you are a newbie...there is no mention of Coach S being gone.Quite the opposite. He is working hard to build a great program and the players are very happy. His position is being cheered on by all at Express. The great thing is these coaches are from many different parts of lacrosse,catholic and public schools. Good Luck to all!!

HEY ANONYMOUS what are you hiding from? your exactly right.....he isnt gone. he will be with the LI Express. just another Avenue to put more doe in Chanun"checks" pocket.

Chanun"checks" now thats funny

I love the washed up athletes, or better yet those that never played a sport but live through their kids, that spew crap on this and the other forums.Its great, keep hating on those that have had success on the field and with the programs that they built up to fit a need for those that want it. Remember you can choose to play or not play wherever you want.Just stop with the personal bashing because you didnt think of the idea and don't have the skill and knowledge to do what other successful people have done for those that want it.

WOW, talk about spewing CRAP. As one of the people you refer to as A WASHED UP ATHLETE living thru my children lets get things straight, played a sport professionally, won in collage and the pro ranks and have a safe deposit box with a couple of rings that are worth more then many new cars. You are right in assuming however that I never played the sport of lacrosse even though it is the national sport of my home country ( Canada )I could go on but because according to you I don't have any skill or knowledge I'm heading over to the soup kitchen instead of my winter vacation home.

So, there's been a couple seasons now under Schwalje. What's the call for where Kellenberg is headed in the competitive landscape of LI lacrosse?

Still don't have their big boy pants on - not a single quality win against a winning team the entire season. Enough said.

Very good manager of great talent but not a great developer of talent. They'll be competitive in the lower ranks but will take a while to challenge the big dogs. Surprised that Chammy and St A's didn't thump them harder but then again all of the Catholic coaches are Express buds and K-wiz and Moran probably took their foot off the gas early.

Whats it going to look like herein 2014

2018 kellenberg has arguably the best attack, lefty, x and Righty all play for top club teams.

WOW!! Who cares!

And next year they will leave and go to St A's or Chaminade.

They would be 8th graders, are any of them going to Kellenberg next year?

Who are you considering the best left attack in 2018? Would love to hear this.

How do you figure? By far best 2018 attackmen are from Smithtown. One will attend Chaminade, the other HSE.

You mean kids who aren't yet enrolled in the school? Pretty funny if so.

Stop it Dad, you're embarrassing me.

Tell me who the best attackmen is in 3 years. When they are all physically maturer.

Will probably be the same names, the skill level in off the charts now. Size is not as important for attack. Look at 8th grader from CSH last year ripping it up on varsity. If your son is not one of the best by 8th grade chances are it is not going to magically happen when he completes puberty, sorry

You are not seriously saying that... Kids are talented for sure, things can and will change as kids not only develop physically, but mentally and skills wise as well.

I am totally serious. The best will continue to be the best with very little movement in or out of this group.

You've got a very myopic view of human ability.

There will always be a few that surprise us, but a leopard rarely changes his spots!

You are as smug, as you are misinformed. First, with the exception of a few "little guys" Mathies and Sankey, etc, the size of D1 attackmen is on the rise. As is the size of every other player on the field. That's just a fact. Think Thule at Army, Walsh at Colgate and Maltz at Syracuse, all over 6'2". If a kid is not 6ft plus, fast, and strong, forget it. Might be able to get away with it now, but over the next 12 to 18 months the size and speed of the defensemen these kids will be facing on the recruiting trail will shock you. Not saying smaller kids can't play at the next level, but it will be tougher and tougher. BTW there are other attackmen that can compete against the best from extreme and terps, don't kid yourself.

The ones that are considered the best (by dads watching lax) will be amongst the upper tier players throughout HS - if they continue to have a desire to play. However, kids will emerge. I hate the term "catching up" so I won't use that. You'll simply see more and more quality players out there over the next few years. And... you'll see kids fade - from being laxed out from the 3rd grade, HS life, etc.

"Checks" I thought it was cash only.

Can I ask a legitimate question without getting sarcastic and belittling responses? What is the gap between Kellenberg and Chaminade / St. Anthonys on the lax field? My son is in 7th grade and starting to think about high schools. He is a very strong B / low A level player right now but loves the game. He is probably a better football "prospect" but prefers lax first. I have heard from a college coach friend of mine in the past that his team really wouldn't recruit the Catholic league except for the "big two". I think Kellenberg is a fine academic school and that is what I like about it but I am trying to asses whether my son would have a chance to play the game he loves which would enhance his HS experience.

- a confused father

What travel team does he play on? Is he on a A team or B? Because if he is on a B team now chances are he would not see playing time at chaminade. He would have a better shot at kellenberg. Seems they really don't send kids div 1 lax at kellenberg. Where chaminade probably send 12 to 18 kids a year to div 1 schools. Same with st. Anthony's.

This is not to belittle or demean but I don' think a decision should be based on whether or not your son will one day wind up playing Varsity Lacrosse. What happens if he gets hurt? He falls out of favor with the coach for some unknown reason, he tires of lacrosse, the academic rigors are more than can handle and play sports. The decision to attend these schools mentioned should be about the right fit academically and socially before ANY sport comes into your decision. I just went through this my son, and those were our deciding factors before sports.

Don't listen to him. Not being on an A team in 7th grade mean nothing. It's hard to get on an A team sometimes because some kids have been there since 4 th grade and take spots. The guy asked for a genuine opinion and you give him one of your 91 or Express A team Mumbo Jumbo. You think a D1 coach isn't gonna find a kid who goes to Kellenberg ?

Relax buddy!!! That is genuine opinion. And let's look at recruiting. How many kids in the last 10 yrs out of kellenberg went div 1? So let's see what answer u have for that? I guess your son couldn't make one of those teams so u bash it!

In the las 5 years kellenberg-7 D1 / St Ants 63 D1/ Chaminade 52 D1

According to Ty Xanders- a 2017 from Kellenberg verbally committed to Fairfield very recently.

I am sure you don't know how many kids went D1 from Kellenberg. That is not the point. The original poster wanted to know the difference between the 3 schools. Chaminade and St. Anthony�s are two of the top programs in the country every year. They get majority of the �elite� lax players around LI. Both schools have over 100 players try out for their Varsity teams. They only take 30. So that means 70 or so players will not be playing at their schools. Chaminade is better academically. Kellenberg is the �baby brother� school of Chaminade. They generally follow the same academic standards and curriculum. Kellenberg�s Lacrosse team is a couple of steps (3-4) below the �top two�. I know the coach (who coached at St.Anthony�s and is an Express director) is trying to build a program (he has been there 3 years I think). He gets some really good kids and some not so good kids. I am sure some of them went �somewhere� to have the privilege of playing lacrosse in college. But the bottom line is education. All three schools are excellent academically and send 99% of their graduates to college. And those colleges don�t care about whether or not the student was on an A or B travel team in 7th grade�.

Fyi - The head varsity coach at Kellenberg also coaches the 2018 Express B team (Wolverines). And the Express has historically done a great job recruiting. Just go their site. BTW - that B could compete and win against any A team. AA teams probably not.

Is that supposed to surprise anyone? Most top D1 schools are almost finished with there 2016. Looks like they are moving on to 2017..... They will be signing 2018 this summer

My bad- read it wrong- commit was from Chaminade. Congrats either way.

My reply wasn't really about the comparison of St Ants , chamimade , or Kellenberg . It was about the idiot asking what club your on , and if it's A or B. In 7th grade none the less. And BTW my son is on one of those A teams and there are a few on the team actually both organizations A teams that aren't better than some of the kids that tried out and didn't make it. I must have hit a sore spot. What are YOU hiding ?

No, I get it. We are on the same page. I was just asking in the context of if in a year, he still wants to continue playing competitively. Would Kellenberg be an option? I think his two HS choices are going to be there and Chaminade. He likely can't play at Chaminade but if Kellenberg affords him a realistic opportunity to play and enjoy high school a little more, then maybe we factor it in. He is my first kid going to HS so I am just trying to understand the competitive landscape. Maybe he will decide that he wants to give up lax and become a tuba player in the marching band, then so be it. I don't think he will be playing DI but I guess you never know.

Sorry to break it to you, St Anthonys is NOT great academically!

So 91 and express mumbo jumbo and your kid is on one of those 2019 teams. So why are u on if you just mocked them? We probably know each other lol. U are right that a few kids might be better then some of the A kids on those teams. But politics always comes into play. And I'm telling u that most of the kids who start at chaminade st ants are from the top A clubs on Long Island. Fact sparky!!!!

However, they only START for one year 12th grade, that's it.

Face the fact that most of your children will not be playing D1 lax in college, it is a fact. Get an education and Kellenberg probably provides a better one than a lot of the public systems on L.I., at least in the privates they do not tolerate with the bullying and BS mentality a lot of the "meat heads" bring to their public schools. None of my children have attended Kellenberg, one goes to St. Anthony's but does not play lax, the others are in public school and play lax, St. A's is a great school if you make the most of it, trust me, opens a lot of doors whether you play lax or not...

When we ( the wife, son and I ) started looking at Catholic high schools it was explained to us simply
If you want academics and sports go to Chaminade
If you want academics and girls go to Kellenberg
If you want sports and girls go to St Anthonys

Based on exactly what criteria is St Anthony's academically below Chaminade and Kellenberg? Test scores, water cooler jibber jabber...what? We'd like to see the facts please!

Lol. That was funny. I've heard the same thing from several people.

Sounds like a Nade parent with an inferiority complex. St Anthony parents wouldn't stoop to such a low level.

To address the OP's question, I wouldn't be surprised if Kellenberg begins to challenge the status quo in lacrosse by the time your son can play varsity there. A lot has changed at Kellenberg over the past few years and the school is realizing that sports are an important element for attracting a diverse student body and for enhancing school spirit. Kellenberg was, after all, the school that eliminated ice hockey because the sport doesn't reflect Catholic values, but that was a while ago.

Kellenberg today has many faculty and staff from Chaminade, including the head of the school. It's clear that by hiring Schwalje the school is committing to lacrosse in a big way. So, I think it moves Kellenerg closer to academics, girls and sports.

Bottom line: St Anthonys is not good acaedmically. You may have smart kids attending but they are stifeled by the inferior curriculum and quaily of teaching. You go to SA for sports!

I was trying to be nice....

Inferiority complex about what, US News and World Reports ranked Chaminade in the Top 100 High Schools in the United States for the school year 2012-2013 St Anthonys didn't make the top 100 for NYS. Also Chaminade swept St A in lacrosse for the same school year 3 and 0 so I guess Chaminade is a better school and better in lacrosse.

Based on having never heard of a kid excepted to Chaminade and rejected by St. Anthony's - when people start saying that if they can't get into St. Anthony's they will go to Chaminade we can start talking about them being equal academically.

Inside Lacrosse also ranked Chaminade 6 and St A's 16 nationally this year

How does St John's rank academically in the mix of the others mentioned. I've heard first hand of some murmurs of pretty good players in the youth ranks talking about it.

That's a baseless, gutless, worthless statement not based on anything remotely close to objective benchmarking. Try again.

This is ridiculous. Chaminade and St. Anthony's are academically equal. I was accepted (back in the day) to all of my high school choices--Chaminade, St. Anthony's, St. Dominic's and Regis. I chose St. Anthony's--simply because it was academically equivalent but it was closer to my home in Huntington. Academically, and athletically, they are equal.

Quite frankly, Regis is academically (but not athletically or socially) superior to them all.

you are nuts if you think St. Anthony's is equal academically to Chaminade. They aren't even close. Everyone knows that.

Yes and Danny deviito looks like Brad Pitt.

Says who? You and your band of Jealous haters from Chaminade? Biased and not credible. I know plenty of people who think St Anthony's has a better academic reputation. Depends on who you ask and what bias they have. Both are great schools and you are splitting hairs trying to differentiate one from the other academically or athletically. They are like mirror images in almost every way except coed.

Wrong. Ask a college admissions person and I'll wager that they'll tell you they are on equal footing or maybe a slight edge to St Anthony's.

That is comical

the admission test for St Anthony is the standard test for most Catholic schools (Kellenberg, st. John the Baptist, Holy Trinity, St Mary etc�) The admission test for Chaminade is a lot harder and to be considered to play a sport the G.P.A. thresh hold is higher. I have girls, and neither go to either school, but I do know people that attended both, and parents that have kids in both, and academically Chaminade is, without a question one of the best schools around, St. Anthony is a sports first school, it's not a knock at you, and no one said that the kids at st. Ants aren't great students, just that the admission policy to Chaminade is a lot stricter.

My kid took the test , got accepted to every school but chaminade. I am sure he is not alone.

I'm sure there are plenty of kids who got into Chaminade but not St Anthony's.

Looking at the athletic facilities for Chaminade compared to their academic buildings i would say they are a sports first school.

It's a bigger surprise for Chaminade to beat St Anthons in anything on the field or in the classroom than the other way around where its just expected. Nough said.

It's the same test regardless of the school. As for admission to one over another, it's a bit of a black box. When taking the test the student ranks the schools based on preference. So, assuming a good result on the test, where a student ranks a school may be a factor in acceptance, particularly as it relates to quotas, etc.

As a parent of a recent Chami grad and a daughter currently attending St Anthony's here is my two cents. Chaminade in general is more selective in admissions and more demanding academically. Having said that St anthony's offers an excellent education and will no doubt prepare your kid for the academic challenges of college. The Friars put more of an emphasis on sports and enjoy the notoriety of winning. They are both great options.

Take away the exchnage students at SA and you see a sharp decline in test scores - nobody can take you seriously when comparing the two academically. Ask the kids at SA and they will tell you that they have it infinitely easier when it comes to academics. Chaminade doesn't even take NYS Regents exams because the final exams are much more difficult. As an aside if you can't get into SA you can't get into any Catholic HS on LI.

If its such crap then why so many Friars at the Ivys and Patriot League schools? They don't take great lax only kids. I don't see a lot of Chaminade grads going or playing at the Ivys.

and this was explained you in such a way by whom a Marionist Brother? No offense but Kellenberg is not better than St A's academically. Isn't this thread about Coach S anyway? Good coach. Was well liked at St A's. His players will be well prepared and well coached. Just needs to get the talent to consider this place a viable option

Wow! We'll debate any and everything on BOTC. All good though. I have a son that will attend St. A's this fall. And it is well known that the more challenging educational curriculum is Chaminade - they tell you it is not for every kid. However, it is not a knock on St. A's. It is no walk in the park there either. Both are great schools (as is Kellenberg) that produce great students that go onto great schools. Let's put it this way I know kids that got into St A's and not Chaminade. I don't know any kids that kids that got into Chaminade and not St. A's.

there is a girl from our town who left public school and went to St A!
1 Can not believe she scored well on the test to get in
2 Was not at all a student at public school where everyone passes. When was the last child left back !
3 parents said they give her time to adjust sooo no failing this year.
4 Do they throw kids out of St A for low grades?

Or you go to a public school with a strong academic and athletic program and save your money!

Why don't you worry about your children and not someone else's kids? I cannot believe your nerve.

So how is the new coach doing?

Maybe you should go back to school.
That post was stupid and made no sense.
Leave it alone.

That's an interesting conclusion about the coach and from what I've heard pretty accurate. An excellent manager of great talent but not know how to develope mediocre talent into great talent.

Seriously, this thread is supposed to be about the new Kellenberg coach, not the academic credentials of any of the Catholic schools. And as is usual, there are lots of posters on here who don't know what they are talking about, did not attend either of the subject schools or don't have children that attend those schools.

All Catholic high schools on LI base admissions upon the same COOP test, and then grades. There is no separate test for entry into Chaminade. Chaminade's freshman class is 400+ boys. St. A's and Kellenberg are about equal on the sexes, but the size comes in around 700-800 per class. So, one could state that Chaminade is more exclusive and debate the merits of the educations offered at all of the schools. You can;t go wrong with any of the three mentioned here.

There are pros and cons academically to both Chaminade and St. A's (e.g., a former teacher at Chaminade that I know lamented to me that the really bright students didn't get the attention or experience they should have had given the demands of the remainder of his class). This can be said about St. A's, Kellenberg or any other high school I am sure.

Having gone to St. A's, but living and raising my kids in Flyerland, LI is blessed to have so many excellent Catholic high schools (academically and athletically) from which to choose. Not every school is right for every student, regardless of their respective academic achievement.

And to the poster that asked--yes, kids struggling at St. A's get weeded out pretty quickly to other Catholic high schools or--horrors!--public schools. I started St. A's as a freshman with 639 students and graduated with 410. That's quite a drop off. It is the same at every school, Chaminade included.

I am excited that Kellenberg is investing in coaching talent. It is a sure sign that the St. A's-Chaminade monopoly on championships will get some challenge. Good for them and good for LI Catholic HS lax.

1-you don't know this kids test scores as they are not released
4-yes they do all the time. if you had a student there you would know that

What are the requirements for each school? I have always known Chaminade to be pretty selective, but are their admission requirements much higher? Grade point avg and test scores- does anyone know what they expect for each school? Also- do some students 'know" that a HS wants them on their team? Suppose a kid gets into both schools, but wants to go to the school that he knows he will make the team or will not ride the bench. Do coaches reach out to certain students?

There's no recruiting in advance of admission at any of the schools. And the dilemma you raise is something all good players face when deciding to go to either St. A's or Chaminade. Big fish/small pond until they get to high school. I would say the majority of the players at Chaminade and St. A's play club in addition to town travel/middle school leading up to high school and continue playing club in the summer.

This is a Kellenberg thread after all.

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You're totally dillussional if you don't think kids are recruited to play a sport at SA, I personally know several who have been and some had no intention of even going to Catholic HS, but they were still recruited. PS - there's no corruption in our government either!

That's a fact! You have to play club to keep the stick in your child's hands. The ability level is at the highest level.

Just to show you that you have no clue what your talking about. This year Kellenberg has 3 kids going division one and last year one kid going to a top 20 program. You should do your homework before you write and look like a fool!

Oh yea? Where are they going? 3 not impressive!

As for the new coach at Kellenberg he is very good and will make a difference. May take some time but it will happen. Now that he is there the EXPRESS program has all 3 Catholic Schools locked up. As for recruiting we all know who recruits for St A's and promises the world. It is all business to him. Rumor was he was stepping away or asked to step away when it was found that he was also listed as Head Coach of that private school out east.

Don't forget about St John the Baptist in terms of lacrosse programs.

Is St. John's affiliated with Express didn't think they were affiliated with any program?

Actually Team 91 ran the St. John's summer team a few years ago. Don't know how that worked, whether it was St.Johns or 91 coaches or both. They had Cougar uniform colors with Team 91 on the uniforms. I think they ran a team for John Glenn H.S. too.

Not sure about their Exoress "affiliation", but just noting that there are more than 3 Catholic schools on LI with lacrosse programs.

Corrected it for you.

But only two have been any good![i][/i]

Tom Palasak is now a coacb at Mercy Mcgann. Express connection there now?

Yes they are

funny along with envious

From what I can tell, Kellenberg has a decent team - obviously not as good as the 2 big LI Catholic programs but I am looking for some guidance here, how would people rate the boys coming into their program in 9th grade? Would they still be considered A players, B+ players?...

They have 5-10 A players. The rest are B or lower. Unlike the Big 2, Kellenberg routinely brings 9th graders directly to the JV team. The Big 2 does it rarely. Kellenberg also has JV "B", not a freshman team, which allows 10th graders to play.

Close, but not quite.

Kellenberg has a JV-A and a JV-B team. The A team is comprised primarily of sophomores and the B team more of a mix, but primarily freshmen. Not sure how you define routinely, but A level freshmen will get pulled up to JV-A. Last year that amounted to six players. I think it was 2 goalies, 3 mids and 1 attack.

Starting to see a little evening out of talent pools available to the big two and the lesser Catholics. Parents and players alike are getting tired of the politics of playing. So much favoritism is bound to have a backlash eventually. I know several A level travel players who are taking a pass on the big two this coming year due to the horror stories. Should be interesting for the next several years. Guess my kid and I better make our donation to express before attending

What "Horror" stories ?

players who were bigger, stronger, faster and plain old better then other teammates who never got a second of playing time because their father wasn't part of the old boy network or hadn't made a substantial donation to the Torch, or they played for any other club team...not stories, saw that situation play out more than once personally, several Flyers players confirming the situation at graduation parties, when even those who were the favored players can admit the facts because it's all said and done...please, don't tell me you haven't heard these tales of woe... not saying this doesn't happen at every school, just amplified by the shear can't miss talent of the players involved. as one poster mentioned earlier, 100 kids at tryouts, means 70 get turned away. those kids that make it begin the mad scramble for playing time, lots of things factor in that shouldn't...more kids and parents are factoring this in this year then I've heard before, all acceptances are due this week, and it's all I've heard at the LI Sports Hub workouts is that the field is narrowing a bit, my kid next year, but several dad's with kids in this years prospective class were taking Kellenburg because it's on the rise is several sports ( look at basketball rankings this year) and less of the parental influence on playing time compared to the other two...just one man's opinion, I'm sure I'm about to hear others, bring it on...be respectful, this is meant to be an open forum

this is absolute nonsense..no offense intended. Obviously you do not know Jack Moran.

This is the world we live in now. It's never that "I" wasn't good enough, it was politics. The kids know who is and who isn;t good enough. It's helicopter parents who blame everyone but their own kid for not being good enough.

Sometimes it OK to not be good enough. Maybe it will lead you to finding something else that you are really good at. Unfortunately, this is not good enough for the parents.

Great guy. You do know he has a Boss, who also has a Boss, right?

Everybody has a boss.....what's your point?

yes, what your point? maybe your can't miss, was never a can't miss.

So if I understand you correctly, the Athletic Director and ultimately the President of Chaminade is telling JM who gets playing time and who doesn't? Dude...seriously. It would be funny if it were not so absurd.

Idiotic...

Isn't this a Kellenberg thread?

thoughts on kellenberg this yr so far ?

Got beat up by SJB Saturday!

When you say boss, are you referring to the big boss as in God?

Total rebuiding year. Not very good. They have a nice upcoming sophmore class for next year that should help. JV team is 8-1. But still not in the same conversation as Friars and Flyers.

Thanks JV Dad!

why aren't any 10th graders up on varsity

all the good ones are.....

You're a pot stirring tool. Not true. There's no sophs on varsity. Since you seem to have a different idea, then how many are playing up and what positions?

ok.... So the freshman that were moved up last year to JV are still on JV...LOL

Rome wasn't built in a day. In the long run, a third competitive team in the league would only help Chaminade and SA. Team has 6 losses but hard to criticize for losses to Lynbrook, Pequa even Farmingdale.

IMHO, third best catholic on the island would be Doms or SJB not Kellenberg.

SJB beat you (some would say they were rebuilding as well) & they lost to Doms by 1. Some say Doms has a few youngins that will help that programs future as well.

What I would love to understand is that JV component in relation to how many Sophs/Frosh play for the other teams. I was told SJB and Doms have underclassman at pivotal roles on Varsity, if that is try you cant compare that to a JV squad (Unless STA or Chamy).

Still on JV, yes.

I thought Kellenberg has JVA & JVB ?

SJB is full of juniors. Very few Seniors. They have 4 sophomores on Varsity. 2 attack, 2 defensemen, and a middy. All of them are very good young players.

All the other schools have moved there sophomores up to Varsity. Going 8-1 means that you most likely have all your sophomores on JV and not on Varsity. Sounds like a program on the decline not rebuilding. Rebuilding programs move there younger kids up?

From what I can tell Kellenberg is a long way from challenging the big two if that's their goal. Seems like they are in reverse. How long do you give the coach to make it happen?

Very interesting.

FYI-

2 + 2 + 1 = 5

And the St. John's parent who posted this lacks basic math skills.

Starting Goalie is also a sophomore. If I was you I would be more worried about your lax team, then someone�s simple mistake!!

Really� What are you 2 yrs. old? Someone makes a mistake and jump on it. There was nothing in this thread that was negative towards Kellenberg? I think you have much more to worry about then correcting someone�s math.

To The arrogant Kellenberg parents who wrote this. You should be worried about winning another lax game this season. Instead of a correcting someone�s simple math mistake.

I'm going to think math is more important than winning another lacrosse game? That's the problem with some of these schools and parents !

What about st doms? How many underclassman on varsity?

I always though 91 would partner with one of them and get their roots into the CHSAA.

Does St Doms have a JV team?

Stupidly is amazing. Do you really think that the poster doesn�t know he made a simple mistake? Why do you have to keep making this negative. This started out as a simple conversation. Until you made it negative. We all know who you are. This is very typical coming from you.

You started a sentence with an adjective. LOL!

I am embarrassed to be a Kellenberg Parent?

Yes, St Doms does have a JV

Unfortunately it becomes a numbers game, or lack of, when it comes to Dom�s and St. Johns. Dom�s has 13 players on their JV team (they almost didn�t form a team). They are shuffling players between both JV and Varsity. Their JV team barely beat Kberg�s JVB team. The same might be said about the numbers on the St. John�s JV team, only 19 kids on that team. Both teams do not have a tremendous amount of kids to choose from. That is why Kellenberg�s JVA and JVB teams is filled with Freshman and Sophomores and Their Varsity has Juniors and Seniors. They just have more kids to choose from. Not taking anything away from the talent on Dom�s, St. Johns or Kellenberg, all three schools have some good players. None of they have the depth of a Chaminade or St. Anthonys.

I don't think you can compare the JV A or B experience of Kelly's to those Sophs and Frosh getting varsity for Doms or SJB.

Cant compare

May well be the case that they are not #3 but my understanding is that Kellenberg doesn't typically bring up sophs to varsity but rather keeps them with their year (like SA and I think Chaminade) I also noted that they are doing the things you will want to when you are trying to build a program and step up in class by playing tougher competition in non league games to build a tougher mentality. This way, the "Big Two" games aren't as big a deal to the boys when they play them.

I do notice that all of their losses were to teams with winning records so no "bad" losses per se. I don't know if I buy into the Associative Principle of comparative strength (if I am using the right one - been out of school decades). I think they are still kids and are entitled to a bad game occasionally. I think as the league schedule plays out, we will have a better read on how good or bad this team is.

I don't have a dog in the fight or kid at Kellenberg. I was just noting that it appears that they are doing the things one would do if you are trying to build a good, solid program.

I always love the "no dog in the fight"!

Losing to Hewlett by 3 and SJB by 6 are not great loses. Think St Dom's will be giving the
AA teams trouble for a few years!!

If Kellenberg had a sophomore that could help them win they would certainly bring him up. Just as St Anthony�s has and would. Chammy would not. But let�s get one thing out of the way Kellenberg is no St A or Chammy. That is clear! Playing good competition is only helpful if you can complete with the good competition. Clearly by the scores below that is not the case. The only games Kellenberg competed in were Aspen, St Doms and Hewlet. The rest of the games were not close. By playing teams out of your class you could have the reverse effect and hurt the confidence of your team. Time will tell as the season plays on. But if Kellenberg does not perform better the second half of the season, if should think twice about play this type of schedule in the future.
Farmingdale 11-4 L
Aspen 12-8 L
St Dom 10-8 W
Stepnic 8-6 W
Lynbrook 11-6 L
Hewlet 6-3L
Massapequa 18-8 L
Holy Trinity 10-2 W

IMHO, third best catholic on the island would be Doms or SJB not Kellenberg.

SJB beat you (some would say they were rebuilding as well) & they lost to Doms by 1. Some say Doms has a few youngins that will help that programs future as well.

What I would love to understand is that JV component in relation to how many Sophs/Frosh play for the other teams. I was told SJB and Doms have underclassman at pivotal roles on Varsity, if that is try you cant compare that to a JV squad (Unless STA or Chamy). [/quote]

Unfortunately it becomes a numbers game, or lack of, when it comes to Dom�s and St. Johns. Dom�s has 13 players on their JV team (they almost didn�t form a team). They are shuffling players between both JV and Varsity. Their JV team barely beat Kberg�s JVB team. The same might be said about the numbers on the St. John�s JV team, only 19 kids on that team. Both teams do not have a tremendous amount of kids to choose from. That is why Kellenberg�s JVA and JVB teams is filled with Freshman and Sophomores and Their Varsity has Juniors and Seniors. They just have more kids to choose from. Not taking anything away from the talent on Dom�s, St. Johns or Kellenberg, all three schools have some good players. None of they have the depth of a Chaminade or St. Anthonys. [/quote]

I don't think you can compare the JV A or B experience of Kelly's to those Sophs and Frosh getting varsity for Doms or SJB.

Cant compare [/quote]

Not comparing...Of course you get better experience playing up. I am just saying that Dom's and St Johns HAVE to bring Freshman and Soph's to Varsity because they do not have enough players to form their teams. Kellenberg does not.

Unfortunately it becomes a numbers game, or lack of, when it comes to Dom�s and St. Johns. Dom�s has 13 players on their JV team (they almost didn�t form a team). They are shuffling players between both JV and Varsity. Their JV team barely beat Kberg�s JVB team. The same might be said about the numbers on the St. John�s JV team, only 19 kids on that team. Both teams do not have a tremendous amount of kids to choose from. That is why Kellenberg�s JVA and JVB teams is filled with Freshman and Sophomores and Their Varsity has Juniors and Seniors. They just have more kids to choose from. Not taking anything away from the talent on Dom�s, St. Johns or Kellenberg, all three schools have some good players. None of they have the depth of a Chaminade or St. Anthonys. [/quote]

I don't think you can compare the JV A or B experience of Kelly's to those Sophs and Frosh getting varsity for Doms or SJB.

Cant compare [/quote]

Not comparing...Of course you get better experience playing up. I am just saying that Dom's and St Johns HAVE to bring Freshman and Soph's to Varsity because they do not have enough players to form their teams. Kellenberg does not. [/quote]

Stepinac is not a good win they are not a good team. Do you play St Mary's or that new program Kennedy in Westchester. Sorry, for the island not a 3rd best. Nor do I see it in the future. It is about varsity and if SJB and Doms can get the numbers and play Frsh or Sphs they will continually be better.

Whats up with BC and DB out of NJ. are these rebuild years?

"Stupidly" is an ADVERB you dope! Next time you try to make fun of someone, look in the mirror. Seems you have an easy target.

I don't think you can compare the JV A or B experience of Kelly's to those Sophs and Frosh getting varsity for Doms or SJB.

Cant compare [/quote]

Not comparing...Of course you get better experience playing up. I am just saying that Dom's and St Johns HAVE to bring Freshman and Soph's to Varsity because they do not have enough players to form their teams. Kellenberg does not. [/quote]

Stepinac is not a good win they are not a good team. Do you play St Mary's or that new program Kennedy in Westchester. Sorry, for the island not a 3rd best. Nor do I see it in the future. It is about varsity and if SJB and Doms can get the numbers and play Frsh or Sphs they will continually be better.

Whats up with BC and DB out of NJ. are these rebuild years?


I agree that St Dom's & SJB have smaller numbers then Kellenberg but they are winning with the younger kids playing up. This will only lead to stronger programs in the future.

How is the coaching at Kellenberg this season? I know the season is not going well but sometimes you don�t have the horses.

Has 5 times the amount of kids at St Doms and close to double SjB and Holy Trinity.

Not trying to be provocative but have to ask, wouldn't having a bigger player pool to draw from and two full JV teams to develop players on over four years be considered the building blocks of a solid program?

No.

Would you rather swim in a dirty Olympic pool or a clean backyard pool. Some times the size of the pool means nothing. Its the quality of the water.

Isn�t the coach part of Express? Doesn�t Kellenberg have a farm team like St A & Charm? How can they be performing so poorly?

Because most of the players don't enjoy playing for this coach. If your not having fun you are not going to play well.

You just called kellenberg a dirty Olympic pool???

Classy!

again, No, you did.

A metaphor doesn't compare exactly.

who's the coach?

So as a Kellenberg parent, your thoughts are that you have a talented team player wise. But because the players don�t like playing for the coach they are not playing up to their potential?

I am thinking they meant; although he is a director of Express, he may not be able to get the quality players from his team going to Kellenberg because many do not like him.?

I am not sure they are saying the Kellenberg players don't like him.?

can someone please clarify understanding there may be some noise in the responses.

Name?

Prepare for a visit to the St. Anthony woodshed today.

Seems pretty clear that the comment relates to his current varsity players.

isn�t the coach part of Express? Doesn�t Kellenberg have a farm team like St A & Charm? How can they be performing so poorly?


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Because most of the players don't enjoy playing for this coach. If your not having fun you are not going to play well.[/quote]


So as a Kellenberg parent, your thoughts are that you have a talented team player wise. But because the players don�t like playing for the coach they are not playing up to their potential?


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I am thinking they meant; although he is a director of Express, he may not be able to get the quality players from his team going to Kellenberg because many do not like him.?

I am not sure they are saying the Kellenberg players don't like him.?

can someone please clarify understanding there may be some noise in the responses.

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Seems pretty clear that the comment relates to his current varsity players.[/quote]

Come on. This team is not even competitive. They are 3-9. They have lost big to all the quality teams. You can�t put this all on the coach. I will give you, that St A took it easy on Kellenberg becuase of his relationship with there Coach.

Old school - yelling and fear. A younger coach that can relate better to these kids would be a breath of fresh air. Kids are afraid to make mistakes without getting ripped and are walking on egg shells. When it's not fun anymore, its hard to get the best out of these kids. The results tell all.

This program is having some issue for sure. But it has to be more then the coach here?

It's called they don't have the horses this year...

Stop it already...the Coach yells and all of the kids on the team don't play well...please stop looking for excuses. Next year when they win more games what will the reason be?

Not sure next years team will be any better? If under classmen are not playing this year. Then next year team will be more of the same?

It's funny this thread is named "NEW Kellenberg Head Coach" . It seems they will be looking for a NEW Kellenberg Head Coach if they don't start performing better!

Most well developed lax programs have a good youth program and good under classmen teams (freshmen and JV). Typically each year a few talented underclassmen are brought up either to play or practice and develop on the Varsity team. The game is much faster than JV. If you don�t have a youth program? And you don�t have any talented underclassmen then the program is not going to perform well? The next few years don�t look good for Kellenberg?

I agree this program looks like it is on the decline. Is the Varsity starters made up of mostly seniors or juniors?

Good youth program? What catholic school has a youth program? They actually have a very good middle school team and JV team is having great season. What are you basing your next few year prediction on?

They are trying to be an "express" school like Chammy and St Ants but they have all their B and C players.

How so?

They hired an Express director as varsity coach thinking they would draw A kids.

By not moving up some very good 2017 players that could have an impact on varsity. Latin School is not in step with KMHS either.

But not necessarily because he is a good coach. I think it's time for some fresh thinking there. It's been long enough and the program is no more competitive than before this coach.

You seem pretty confident in the "reason" for hiring an Express director. Is that an opinion or fact?

The Latin School goes to 8th grade. KMHS is 9-12. What are you referring to?

I realize that. What I am saying is that there is no continuity between the middle school and high school. Offense and defenses are not communicated from high school to middle school . Coaching more disorganized at the middle school level.

High school should also move up underclassmen and deepen their pool of talent. Clear now?

I feel bad for you if you are a Kellenberg parent and are so miss informed. Here is how I came to my short term prediction of Kellenberg. The long Island Express is there youth program. This coach was hired to take Kellenberg to the next level. He is a director for Express. The talent on the varsity team is clear. Your record speaks for itself. This can�t be blamed just on the coach. As for the JV team goes, the jury is still out. No one can predict what next year will bring for any team. That said look at the other strong teams (minus St A & Chammy) in the catholic schools. There rosters have underclassmen on them and they are contributing to their teams success. Kellenberg�s JV may be having some success but the best JV players for the other schools are playing on Varsity. You can see how miss leading this is for Kellenberg�s JV team�s success? Playing/practicing on the varsity as an underclassman clearly makes you a better player. If Kellenberg doesn�t have underclassman good enough to play/practice on a poor performing Varsity Team, really doesn�t look good for Kellenbergs short term future.

Do you really think the coach is not moving up JV kids that belong? Do you think he wants to have a season like this? He is a director of the LI Express. Evaluating lax talent is what he does. If there were JV kids that were good enough to play on Varsity they would be moved up! As a parent you need to take a good hard look. PAL is over. The next year or so will determine whether kids are good or not. Stop making excuse. Let�s face it some kids are not going to play lax in college. No matter how much they play or how long they be playing. There are kids who can walk onto a field for the 1st time and out play someone who has played all their lives. That is a cold hard fact!!

Yes. They have rules about moving people up. It is not always about ability, it is about oppertunity. Winning isnt their only goal!!

So, it's an opinion. I see.

Another opinion.

No, it's really not clear. Middle school athletics is a different animal from high school on many levels. You're either misinformed or simply don't understand.

You don't think big programs say "Hey Middle School this is our ride, this is our man up, this is our offense, this is our defense. Now practice"
You are the miss informed one.

I could not agree more.

Kellenberg has moved up JV players in the past and will continue to do so if it helps the team.

If you look at all strong sports programs the youth program, Middle school and HS programs are in lock step.

You are clueless as the day is long...

Very well said. Totally agree

Every other coach in the school is a teacher. Many of them qualified to be a varsity coach. Let's hear your opinion?

I couldn't agree more. Go to Newsday and look at the scoring leaders for the Catholics. Look at the leaders and look for Kellenberg? Who are the leaders?

Sounds like a Dad of a 2017 player that wants to have his son moved up?

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So, it's an opinion. I see. [/quote]


Every other coach in the school is a teacher. Many of them qualified to be a varsity coach. Let's hear your opinion? [/quote]

Actually, yours is not an opinion, it's a guess. Fools guess.

That is all you have to say? I am clueless? You don�t like what you here so you name call? I noticed you didn�t try and make an intelligent argument for your thoughts???

I couldn't agree more. Go to Newsday and look at the scoring leaders for the Catholics. Look at the leaders and look for Kellenberg? Who are the leaders?


Wow. St Dom, St John's & Holy Trinity have multiple kids on this list? I can�t believe how far behind Kellenberg is?

Not being competitive and losing every game is the goal?

The coach may be a good manager of great talent with Express but he will never be mistaken for somebody who can turn an average player or group into greatness. He needs a ready made group to be successful otherwise he's just an average guy.

You need the horses to pull the cart. players have to work on there own to be above average.

I guess it is the coach�s fault that there is only one Kellenberg kid on this list?

SJB only has 16 kids that can actually play. 4 of which are seniors and one (their FOGO) got kicked out. 2 sophomores start and the rest are juniors. Pretty tough to compete with schools that arrive on 2 buses. Kellenberg should be better with their numbers and having a tie in with the Express. SJB has been left out in the travel team cold. But Chanenchuk and Moran like it that way.

There are no standout 2017 players at Kellenberg. The Varsity kids belong on Varsity and the JV kids belong on JV.

Sounds like a varsity dad. Then explain the big difference in results this year ?

Do you really think the coach is not moving up JV kids that belong? Do you think he wants to have a season like this? He is a director of the LI Express. Evaluating lax talent is what he does. If there were JV kids that were good enough to play on Varsity they would be moved up! As a parent you need to take a good hard look. PAL is over. The next year or so will determine whether kids are good or not. Stop making excuse. Let�s face it some kids are not going to play lax in college. No matter how much they play or how long they be playing. There are kids who can walk onto a field for the 1st time and out play someone who has played all their lives. That is a cold hard fact!! [/quote]

Another opinion. [/quote]

I could not agree more.
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Sounds like a Dad of a 2017 player that wants to have his son moved up?

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There are no standout 2017 players at Kellenberg. The Varsity kids belong on Varsity and the JV kids belong on JV.

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Sounds like a varsity dad. Then explain the big difference in results this year ? [/quote]

The other schools Varsity teams are playing during the summer and kids are playing travel. This is closing the gap. You can see this both in catholic and public schools. The JV team is not playing full JV teams because JV doesn't matter. The other schools have the more skilled kids on Varsity. This leaves Kellenberg JV thinking they are better then they really are. What if the JV team was missing 3 or 4 of there better players. Do you think they would win games?

Another opinion. [/quote]

I could not agree more.
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Sounds like a Dad of a 2017 player that wants to have his son moved up?

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There are no standout 2017 players at Kellenberg. The Varsity kids belong on Varsity and the JV kids belong on JV.

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Sounds like a varsity dad. Then explain the big difference in results this year ? [/quote]

The other schools Varsity teams are playing during the summer and kids are playing travel. This is closing the gap. You can see this both in catholic and public schools. The JV team is not playing full JV teams because JV doesn't matter. The other schools have the more skilled kids on Varsity. This leaves Kellenberg JV thinking they are better then they really are. What if the JV team was missing 3 or 4 of there better players. Do you think they would win games?


I would like to see Kellenberg JV play Varsity. This would stop this bickering.

Big win for St Doms over Kellenberg. This team is only getting better. Kellenberg sinking like a stone!

Especially considering the starting goalie and defenseman for St. Doms were out after being ejected during SJB game.

Time to bring up those star JV kids!

What happen in the SJB game?

To lose to St Dom�s and they had 2 starters not playing. Kellenberg beat St Dom�s in the beginning of the season? What a disappointing season for Kellenberg. What a complete collapse. How does this happen with the tie in with Express and such a big pool of kids to pull from. Kellenberg has as many kids as St A & Chammy? Total rebuilding over the next few years. Going to be a long few years there.

St Doms win not a huge shocker. Doms was beating them 8-3 in the first game this spring and ended up losing 9-8. Can't imagine Kellenberg coming into game thinking it was going to be easy win.

It is if you knew there starting goalie and defensemen had to sit this game out for inappropriate behavior in the SJB game. That really speaks to the downward spiral of this Kellenberg team and how far behind this team is from competing with the other midlevel Catholic school lax programs.

Very tuff season. Future looks good. Some real talent coming up.

Proves that this coach is just very ordinary and can only win if great players are handed to him in the summer. They need a coach who can do more than just yell and whine. They need a real coach who can teach and make lemonade.

Not just the coach. You need to have players. Clearly you are not competitive with any of the good teams. This program is very weak and has a long way to go.

How is this all looking now. Time always tells no tails! Poof is in the performance of the team. Clearly not a good program now or the next few years.

You guys realize these are the same Kellenberg coaches from last year correct? They ran the table against Doms, Trinity, & Baptist and then also beat Fordham and Iona who both beat some big time teams during the year. I've heard about short term memory but come on. Last year they also had 2 D1 players on the team. You're also putting way too much stock in early season non league games.

As far as moving players up its pretty rare, the school administration does not believe in it unless there is a specific need for the team. I know we will get some smart people on here who will have a different opinion on this and bad mouth it but, I'll tend to side with the guys who have a school of 2,500 with another 100 or so on the waiting list every year.

What have you done for me lately? Everyone knows you are only as good as the last team you coached. As far as moving players up it is not rare in fact it is very common for Kellenberg and other teams to move kids up. "Unless there is a specific need for the team" you are kidding me right this team needs help at every position. They are 6-11 and have not beaten a team with a winning record? Siding with a school of 2,500 with another 100 or so on the waiting list every year. Doesn�t make you have a good lax program.

Nobody said it did and yes it is rare for Kellenberg to move up, probably less than 10 kids in the past 15 years. The jury is still out on this year. Let's see what happens the next couple weeks.

I agree the jury is out on this season for Kellenberg. But we need to tell the truth. It is not rare for kellenberg to move kids up? If a kid can help the team they would move him to Varsity. They have done this in the past. Check the girls team as an example.

The truth is , it's extremely rare and the jury is not out. Bunch of bad loses and will get beat up by SJB in playoffs.

Nice try. Can see right thought this Mr Kellenberg underclassmen dad. It is not rare and if your son was good enough he would be moved up to Varsity.

Holy moly! It's rare!!! Why are you arguing this, maybe we have different definitions of rare. Every 4 or 5 years it happens, Cunningham, Quinn, Kavanaugh all D1 players and we're not moved up as sophs. Girls it happens more because there is less participation, but we're talking about the boys here. It's the schools philosophy not the lacrosse teams or even the athletic departments, administration doesn't like to move kids up unless it's totally necessary.

Kellenberg is 6-11 and has not beaten anyone in fact St Dom beat you with two missing starters. You are not competitive with the better teams. I think we can all agree with that. Your record doesn�t lie. You stated that �the administration doesn�t like to move kids up unless it�s totally necessary�. Don�t you think it�s necessary to move up the younger kids if they can help the team be more competitive? Should you try to do something to change it up?

6-12

Right about all but the administration. Is it that unbelievable to think wining a few more games is not worth changing what you do and policys set in place? That maybe it is not a priority here! This is a school first , and not a lacrosse club, and they treat it that way.

The administration brought in this coach to win games? That is not happening. This team is 6-12 and 3 of these wins come over Holy Trinty and St Marys. Not very good prgrams. Kellenberg has 5X the kids of St Doms and more then 2X the kids of SJB. How do you lose to these schools? It is very clear this is not a lacrosse club. This program is on the decline.

Lost to SJB last night.

This program is clearly in big trouble.zs8ppx

Moving up kids is not the answer. Some years are just bad years for teams. Parents want their kids moved up so they can say my son plays varsity in 9th grade. Better to sacrifice a varsity yr and keep younger kids playing together. Moving up for girls is a whole different thing. Girls game is a different game all together in the physical sense. The growth spurts boys have between frosh soph yrs to jr sr are usually pretty big. Why put a younger player at risk. My opinion is younger players get keyed up on when playing up as well. Big target for the opposing team.

I disagree. The other school of thought is to move up the better players and have them practice and play with the varsity team.The JV programs don't have the best players on them. They have all moved up. This helps them develop faster and get use to the speed of the game. Which is much faster on Varsity. This is what 99% of the HS programs are doing. Go look around Long Island the hot bed for Lax and you will see this every were. There are 2017 players making big impact to there teams. If your program is not doing this it will/has fallen behind. Better to sacrifice a varsity season and move these kids up. Playing together is not as helpful as developing each kids skills. Look around college programs they move kids in and out all game long.

There is no right or wrong answer to moving up players. The answer can be different from team to team and player to player. A good analogy is college basketball (and yes it is relevant). The Kentuckys and Dukes of the world get blue chip players that can contribute right away while teams like Gonzaga tends to get many of the "second tier" players that take longer to develop but contribute by junior and senior years. A program needs to asses what their strengths and weaknesses are and decide accordingly.

Better players should always be moved up, if the varsity needs them and they will get playing time, granted they can hang physically. I've seen parents want kids moved down for more playing time as well.

They don't care what parents want. They don't want to hear from them. They tell you this. This is a "school" and not a program. You know what you sign up for when you decide to go there.

Yeh. crap coaching.

Congrats to Kellenberg on the quarterfinal win over Fordham Prep.

Stop the nonsense. Do you think that the current head coach of St. Anthonys would do a better job with the same players at Kellenberg? Not a chance. The Kellenberg head coach was the head coach of St. Anthonys years ago and was very successful and then left to go into business world. If you gave MS the players that that EW currently has he would do just as well or better.

Ask the kids if they love playing for him. That's all that matters. What the parents think is irrelevant.

Ask the coach if he loves them playing for him.

Kids choose the other Catholics for an opportunity to play for a specific coach.

You are going to Kellenberg for an education and possibly have the opportunity to play lacrosse ..you are not going for a coach
That would be the last reason. You will always play second fiddle in the lacrosse works
But that's ok as long as your son gets a chance to play and at these other schools it wouldn't happen

How many of you making comments about Kellenberg's lacrosse program, and the talent level and motivation of the kids that go there, actually pay the tuition to attend the school?

There appear to be a lot of know-it-alls who probably lack credibility. If that's you, go troll elsewhere.

those people making remarks are jealous lacrosse parents from st Anthony's and chaminade. heaven forbid a new dog might be knocking on the door of Catholic league lacrosse. lacrosse parents......the most jealous ones there are.

LOL. You think St A's and Chaminade lacrosse parents care about Kellenberg?? Or their 15-2 and 10-2 wins?? Not even a speed bump. More like a pebble in the road.

Kellenberg is not known for great sports teams. It's known for great academics. Sports are secondary at Kellenberg unlike others.

That's why it's not worth the conversation ..Just get the education and stop worrying about trying to compete ..it can't happen and be thankful your kids will get playing time at Kelllenberg hopefully....

What exactly is great academics? How are we judging this? If we all agree Chaminade is #1, rank the rest of them academically (St Anthonys, kellenberg, St Doms, St marys, SJB, Holy Trinity).
That's not my ranking by the way, just the schools to be ranked.

Only way to compare any of these schools academically is comparing apples to apples. The only equalizer among any school, public or private, which will in the end ultimately decide college admittance, SAT/ACT scores. Don't let anyone fool you otherwise.
So Chaminade would be 1, but keep in mind Chaminade self selects those kids who if they went to any other HS would also score at a higher level on SAT/ACT. So did Chaminade produce the top scores, no, the kids did. And those kids if they chose St.Anthonys or St. Mary's or Trinity or podunk HS, still would get the higher SAT score.

You know everything you need to know to do well on SAT by end of 10th grade. no math higher than 10th grade on the SAT, and some 11th grade trig on ACT.

What are you smoking? Kellenberg is not knocking on any body's door. Not a very good season? Not very competitive? How can you compare Kellenberg to St A or Chammy? Can't even beat St Don's? You need to wake up and realize this program is a long way off. It may be going backwards. They are losing to schools that are 5X and 2x smaller then they are...

The Jury has deliberated. Kellenberg is a program on the decline! Kellenberg should play anyone who can help them win a few games. They should have moved up the kids that could have helped.

The fish rots from the head down.

Someone shoot the new dog. The dog is delusional if you think your knocking on the door with the top catholic schools. Kelleneberg is just above Holy Trinty. With HT new coach they may lose to them in the very near future.

That is for sure! With there enrollment they should be more competitive with the other top Catholic schools.

Stop the nonsense. Do you think that the current head coach of St. Anthonys would do a better job with the same players at Kellenberg? Not a chance. The Kellenberg head coach was the head coach of St. Anthonys years ago and was very successful and then left to go into business world. If you gave MS the players that that EW currently has he would do just as well or better. [/quote]

I guess not. The St Anthony's and Chammy head coaches were at the SJB/Kellenberg game. Looked like they were texting during the game and at half time. Still didn't help. Need the players.

I guess not. The St Anthony's and Chammy head coaches were at the SJB/Kellenberg game. Looked like they were texting during the game and at half time. Still didn't help. Need the players.

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Looked like they were texting what? To whom?

Looked like they were texting what? To whom? [/quote]


Think Cleveland Browns?

probably texting their boyfriends

Why would they be at that game? Supporting their Express brethren?? If so, it didn't help.

They were there. No sure why???

Does Kellenberg do the same types of preseason "clinics" that are arranged by the parents and the coaches participate?

No.

How's that new coach working out for you kellenburg? 0-6? Maybe it's time for a different line up? Or a new coaching staff!

Who is the new coach, how long has he been there?

It seems to me that the line up needs to be changed! This one obviously is not working
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Not so new any more but certainly not impressive after 6 years especially with an 0-6 start

Good to know - my son wanted to transfer to kellenberg next year because he wanted to play lacrosse at a better school so he could play college ball. That's not going to happen now!

It sure is not working. Perhaps they should stop playing favorites such as Express team kids and chaminades coach's son, over seniors who have paid their dues and earned their right to make it happen in their senior year!

You're not really making college choices based on lacrosse are you? That may not be the best idea. Kellenberg is a fine school that will provide your son with a lifetime of values and an excellent education.

I agree with those other reasons but every kid needs to have some edge these days- so all parents look to support their child's passion and interest if it helps them achieve their goals. Kellenberg used to have a great lacrosse reputation but you have to admit 0-6 is not going to be good for anyone and hurts kellenberg reputation. Have to ask yourself what the coaches are thinking by not making changes! T

Got to admit kellenberg's current record doesn't reflect well on the school or the cosches

You're not really making college choices based on lacrosse are you? That may not be the best idea. Kellenberg is a fine school that will provide your son with a lifetime of values and an excellent education.[/quote

In this day and age every kid needs something that makes them different from all the other kids- lacrosse is my son's extra talent. No reason to put him at kellenberg with its losing program. If the coaches can't recognize that the players they are using aren't working then why put my son there and waste his time and effort!

Just an FYI, they have a sophomore defenseman going to Duke.

He obviously was recruited before the season and arrived at kellenberg with his skills and talent before

Im sure he was recruited by duke before the current dismal season began! Plus he would have arrived at kellenberg with his skills and talent.

It's obvious that he was recruited before this dismal season started. And arrived with his talents and skills before these coaches

Putting things into perspective for outsiders taking shots at the program. Knowing numerous people with kids at both ST A and Cham. Kellenberg puts more emphasis on STUDENT and less on Athlete than the other two - Sorry holier than thou Flyers but we all know why the majority of your team is there. Yes those programs are more successful than ours. We are not a national program while you are,but we play quality opponents - 4 of our 6 losses are to St Anthony's, Massapequa and Staples Westport and Commack - teams loaded with DI commits and prospects (as well as a double overtime loss). So yes, we are (2-6) but my kid gets a good education, gets an opportunity play a sport he loves and test himself and against top talent in the area during school season (plays on a competitive travel program). And most importantly loves where he goes to school! We all know there are tons of kids going to the "more successful programs" who don't see the field but get a jacket. If you are there for the education then good for your son. If was there to play lax and your kid is not happy what was gained? A cool jacket?

I hear ya on the post but to me, that post only means something if it is from a parent from a school district not another catholic school. What was gained was HS friendships. The only place that could counter that was the home school district that was left. But it was left for a reason or never attended for a reason

Half of the 91 kids are going to Duke, because the Duke assistant coach is making bank all summer long.

Wow. Way to bloviate about nonsense. I know....your the kind of guy that makes shoveling $hit sound great. Excuse after excuse. Oh yea.....you didn't get a jacket either

Bloviate about my son 1) getting a good education 2) playing a sport in high school 3) being happy ....? I am sure you have your priorities straight. Didn't I see you in Penn last week wearing YOUR SON'S travel team windbreaker?

That's what you should have said. But you Mr excuse maker had to try and degrade the students/athletes at other institutions to make yourself feel better. No reason to put down other student/athletes who are working as hard or harder than your little junior.

Yeah because that's how a top team and program operates clearly your boy is sub par and it's your fault

No he didn't do that. Read his posting, no degrading, just a point made. Take it easy, breathe deep and relax.

How about 2 of the Asst. coaches at Duke are part of 91

I am not degrading student/athletes at any school. I was pointing out that you shouldn't judge schools and their athletic programs solely on Ws and Ls, in fact the point I made was that if a kid is focusing on his academics but not playing but is still happy then it is a good thing for him. I was pointing out that certain people (in many cases parents who should know better) - make a high school choice primarily influenced by the success of the lacrosse program rather than what was the right choice for them, these people might need to reassess their priorities.

What does that have to do with the Kellenberg Coach?

So?? They have kids who play for 91. Is that not allowed?

Hmmm. They are Duke coaches. Are they now allowed to talk to parents/kids on the sidelines. A call to NCAA may need to be made to ensure no violations of the new rule.

Snitches get stitches

sorry dont get the... dont judge the athletic programs soley on the W's. Huh, what?!?

I think you have gotten off the point...getting a yellow jacket just for participating isn't the same as working super hard for four years waiting to be a senior doing everything the coaches tell you to do etc and then knowing that the kellenberg coaches play less talented junior favorites-

I can't believe you care more about a yellow jacket? I can't believe that you use the excuse that kellenberg plays better teams therefore 2/6 record is ok! Kellenberg has always played these opponents- why suddenly does that justify s loosing season? These coaches are ignoring talented kids with lots of heart on their own bench do they can play their favorites - like kids from their own side teams or sons of other coaches. There are seniors being ignored for juniors- but you think that they should be happy to get a yellow jacket?

Scary........from some soft lacrosse coaches.......I think not

Then you're just a wuss tattle tail

Sounds more like an all boys school wuss.

1) Go back and read the original post referring to the priorities of athletics at the school.
2) you obviously don't have a child who attends there. (not a knock)

At Kellenberg, athletics tend to be secondary if not tertiary and sports are considered a part of a larger holistic approach to allowing students to grow during their high school experience. The priorities are 1)growth as a member of the Catholic Church 2) Academics 3) being an active participant in activities that promote the values of the school (of which sports are one) Of course everyone wants to win and they prepare to but not "at all costs". Believe me, that is not how it was at my high school and there are times I scratch my head but I have to remind myself it is not about me, it is hard to argue when I see him playing well, a happy kid and working both on and off the field.

So.....you're a "hard guy"??

Yyaaaawwwwnnnn.
Did writing this drivel make you feel better?

Your wife confirmed I am. Ever wonder where she goes when she isnt around. She also confirmed your not. Oh by the way she told me to let you know this morning your ED prescription is ready.

keep drinking the kellenberg kool-aid

I don't have to write this to feel better. I did my homework ahead of time.

You did your homework and made up the priorities? It NEVER says their first priority is growth as a member of the Church. Cut out your phony, holier than though BS. God isn't impressed.

If you can just use GOOOOOOGLE then you can get the real stuff.

"Kellenberg Memorial High School combines the proven curriculum and methods of a successful tradition with modern pedagogical advances to provide its students with a rich, qualitative educational experience. The Kellenberg Memorial High School program, offered in an atmosphere of positive Christian commitment, requires a thorough study of the basic intellectual disciplines, while offering extensive cocurricular and extracurricular opportunities for practical application and personal understanding."

Just as boring.

Have a nice day!

Third tier

Explain please.

But they are men of good moral character.

Son, when you grow into an adult you will look back and realize that your arrogance held you back in so many ways. Some kids learn this lesson sooner than others. They tend to find what they want from life sooner. A little humilitu goes a long way.

Son, now this won't hurt one bit, it will be our secret.

The team did a great job improving all year and had a great ending of their season. Great job by the coaches and players.

I heard St. Doms has a new HC now. Guy is bouncing around like a rubber ball, Can't that be a red flag?

Is it TR?

FOR RELEASE:
St. Dominic High School Athletics is pleased to announce that Mr. Tom Rooney has been named the
Head Varsity Boys lacrosse Coach. Mr. Rooney, who has been the Varsity Head Coach at Half Hollow
Hills West for the past two years and spent four years as the Head Coach at Port Washington and six
years as Head Coach at Syosset, has agreed to lead the Bayhawk program, effective immediately.
Coach Rooney has been involved with Nassau County Boys’ lacrosse for some twenty years achieving a
great level of success. He will be replacing Mr. Matt O’Brien, who has stepped down from coaching
to start a family.
“I am excited to be a part of the St Dom’s Boys’ Lacrosse program and take it to the next level. My
main objectives are to give our athletes the opportunity to play and to help guide the players to
reach their full potential on the field and in the classroom,” commented Coach Rooney.
As Athletic Director, I look forward to working with Coach Rooney and feel very positive about the
direction the program is heading.
John Corso

His boys play at St. Doms.

More PT for them then.

This original post is from 2014. Wondering if it worked out?

who are the they ?

St Dom's new coach S2S vs Express (Chaminade, St A's, Kellenberg). Is this the beginning of a new rivalry?

...NY State AA Catholic Champions

Appears to have worked out rather well!!

tough road to state championship

Haters still gonna hate. You play the teams in front of you.

Hello. And Bye.

This is the reason why I'm not too fond of the majority of lacrosse parents. And why their kids turn out to be just like them!

Schwaldo is gone? It might actually be worth going to Kellenberg now.

He’s been gone for 2 years.

Is the new coach any good?

Kellenberg cares nothing about sports. They only care about their 80 something after-school clubs. Nice school. Seems like a great place to go, but not if your kid wants to play sports.

Thanks for the input. Thoughts on St Dominic's lacrosse program? Shore 2 Shore coaches run the program.

They just built 2 brand new turf fields and tennis courts and competitive in most sports. They don't care about sports?

Tom Rooney is an awesome coach. Super guy. Family man. Cares about his kids. Solid lacrosse coach. If we were doing Catholic, it would be there.

The current Varsity coach at Kellenberg is outstanding.

Isn't Higgins a coach. He's shady.