Starting a thread for New England Prep School Lacrosse parents.

By far Best League in all of High School Lacrosse

Founders league!

And they can al buy there own beer.

Anyone care to prognosticate on next spring season?

Top 10 in NEPSAC next spring?

Ahhhh, of course a reclass joke. Someone always gets reclass in a thread.

However, beer, great lax and entry into the top colleges. Seems pretty good to me.

I was just about to say. Someone in the forum section must have had their girl stolen by a holdback years ago and the sting is still burning, it's in every thread!!!

No, most are just upset that some player couldn't make it against other players his own age and got an advantage majority dont. Pretty simple. Thats It

Reclassing is common in Founders and other leagues. Not a big deal and usually benefits the child getting into a better school which is the goal of most of the lax families at prep schools. No real $ in pro lacrosse anyway.

Blah Blah Blah . . .

Ahhh, so life is not fair let's whine and complain. Solid attributes

You can say what you want about re-class founders league accepts it and if your kid can dominate with older kids it only helps his recruitment . if you can get your kid in that league it is a no brainer it is where the best kids play . just look at each roster and how many DIV 1 studs they all have at any given time during a game there is at least 8 DIV 1 commits on the field

Lot's seem to complain. We all want the best for our children. That's why they are in private school.

Wow, what a witty rebuttal!! Your parents should have held you back.

Just curious, what is the holding back cut off point? If you hold back 1 year and your kid is still are not a stud, how far back does it become super lost? 2,3.4 years? Of course their grades should be through the roof doing 8th grade over and over but is there a point where even the superdouche parents have a little pink polo shirt and kaki short angel over their shoulder saying OK, lets try golf.... lacrosse isn't working.

Thinking Deerfield, Brunswick, Taft and Avon are leading the way.

In order:
Brunswick
Salisbury
Deerfield
Taft
Trinity-Pawling
AOF
Choate
St. Sebs
Noble& Greenbaugh

Kent is recruiting

Newsflash: Everyone recruits.

Last Season Rankings on IL
1. Brunswick
2. Salisbury
3. Choate
4. Taft
5. Deerfield
6. Avon Old Farms
7. St. Sebastians
8. Trinity-Pawling
9. Brewster Academy
10. Belmont Hill

Out of just under 100 teams. Very Founders League heavy

I think Deerfield was tops this Spring. Destroyed Salisbury in the indoor championship. The top grouping are all really good teams though.

Which Indoor League?
Chelsea Piers was Darien, Trinity-Pawling, and Taft top teams.

Rankings about right. Seems inline or close to Inside Lacrosse from last season.

Yes...But imported bottled beer!

The cutoff is somewhere between golf and tennis.

Not Furman. A sad day for lax

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/arti...se-program-amid-financial-concerns/56421

Hopefully not a trend. Unfortunately schools don't need lacrosse economically. They want it.

I would love to see over a ten year or 20 year period the amount of money that a lacrosse team donates to a school after playing there. I have always felt that the number was high compared to other sports especially with 40-50 members on a team.

Most AD's hail from football or basketball. Often weaker econmic families involved who don't give back unless they make NFL or NBA. They assume all athletes have same background.

So Lawrenceville gets Jon Posner from Culver, any ideas how that came about? I would expect Lawrenceville to get better really quick.

Choate ranked???

You will see a fallout of players in this league due to pandemic costs and reduction of 70k scholarships.

Culver coach left for Lawrenceville.

Choate was good last season but graduated top 3 attack so well see if they can reload.

It's possible. However if full rides were given prior to pandemic hitting and contracts signed they will be in place for this year.

That is completely false it is actually opposite people are going to these schools next year because they will be back and public schools will be still at home .. Take a look at the CDC guidelines for kids in public school next year tell me why you would want to send your kid

Agreed would rather send to prep.

Not all children are held back so dad feels better about himself. Some have learning disorders that need additional time to either develop executive skills or simply take longer to learn or figure school and athletics out. If parents have the means to send their child to a private school and get a better education why bash them?
By the way, once in high school it doesn't matter how old you are as you can play as high as your ability and effort allow.

Anyone hear anything from their school regarding going back to school in fall early or on time?

Lots of hard work from Choate coaches this year. Strong indoor season, heavy strength program. Look out next season, they are top 3 in Founders.

Ahead of Salisbury, Brunswick, Taft, AOF, TP? Maybe. They lost some strong attack from last year. Brunswick and Salisbury reload again. Taft has some crazy PG's
and Trinity-Pawling and AOF both recruited well. We'll see

Nah, they didn't get any incoming talent. Will stay a few steps behind.

Not true, a number of new players, local CT kids, TX, NJ, and CA. Started last year building with 4 year players. Express and WCS players.

Again...Everyone recruits for lacrosse especially transfers and PG's. No reason to think a few new players at Choate will change things much this season. Possibly in future.

What about girls in this situation. Are scholarships/recruiting/PG the same with girls ? One doesn’t hear of PG for girls, is it even a thing ?

Some schools looking at going back early August.

There are some girls who reclass-usually repaeat between 7th-9th grade. Most common for Hockey but some lacrosse players do.

Ok new choate dad. Keep dreaming.

If they are all 11th grade reclassed studs they have a shot at cracking top 4

Anyone know the rules if any regarding Post Graduates on a team? Maximum?

i believe 5 is max on PG

Trinity-Pawling recruiting better than usual... Just talking freshman.

Anyone know anything about upcoming fall season? Will schools allow football or lacrosse practices?

I cant speak for all of NE but It ain't looking good. I have been on zoom calls with coaches since my son plays Founders League Football and I wasn't hearing much confidence in getting back to the normalcy of campus life let alone football. It was crappy to hear. Here is from the Founders League site as well. https://www.thefoundersleague.org/page/2691

School will be main priority. Many gyms as classrooms.

Thanks for the link. Hopefully there will be some sort of treatment available by spring so maybe we can have lacrosse. My son plays football too and I'm not sure Founders will have a fall season let alone winter with most ports indoors.

Doubt there will be football this fall in Founders. Maybe just workout or extra lacrosse practice?

You missed the boat on Westminster! Going to sneak up on some this year.

No reason to doubt bc that's going to be the reality. Schools are opening (late aug until thanksgiving) and the spring sports will be getting in A LOT of extra practice.

I hope the boys can play Football this fall but even our head lacrosse coach questioning if there will be fall tourneys or Football for that matter. Lots of extra reps for our laxers this fall. Should make for an interesting spring and summer.

You obviously have a super human child. Congratulations. Some kids are born with impairments and need an extra year to prepare for college or even high school. No one is getting rich from lacrosse. It can help a kid get into a school he/she might not have otherwise. Sorry if we want the best for our children.

Summer season is pretty much gone. Football will be soon. Might as well start lax practice Sep 1!

I’m hearing that if fall sports are cancelled then FL will allow fall practices for lacrosse and possibly allow some inter league scrimmages in the fall.

That would be great! All we've heard so far is a decision will be made 2nd or 3rd week of July regarding competitive fall sports. I hope your source is accurate. Practicing football all fall with no games is crazy.

Founders canceled all fall interactive sports. Look for lots of lax practice in fall.

TP going half football then any sport the student wants to play is a go for next 3 days. What are other schools doing?

Choate seems to be loading up this year on recruits from all over! They will be a force!

You again. No they haven't. Why do you keep coming on here talking up choate? Guessing trying to convince yourself you made the right choice. If you were choosing for lacrosse then you made a mistake. And if your son was actually a top player he would be at several different schools.

You watch.. Choate will be even stronger this spring!

IMO Pre-Season Rankings NE West D1

1. Brunswick
2. Salisbury
3. Deerfield
4. Taft
5. Avon Old Farms
6. Trinty-Pawling
7. Choate
8. Berkshire
9. Westminster
10. Loomis
11. Hotchkiss
12. Kent
13. Northfield Mt. Hermon

Brunswick, Salisbury and Deerfield usual top 3. 4-7 I'd understand if people want to interchange them as they are very close. Noticeable drop after Berkshire towards bottom. Let the arguments begin.

Rankings not bad.
Taft too low for this year.
Berkshire too high.

Those rankings totally reasonable

Trinity-Pawling beat Taft last year and lost to Salisisbury by one. They should be higher.

Why all of the Choate bashing? In 2019, they finished ranked above Deerfield in Inside Lacrosse. Next year, they have the best goalie in the Founders, a strong attack, good defense. It is not crazy to believe that good play will continue...

People have there alma maters and kids enrolled so everyone has a favorite. Choate will be fine this year. They just don't produce the quantity of D1 talent the rest of the top half of Founders does.

1. Brunswick
2. Salisbury
3. Taft
4. Deerfield
5. Trinty-Pawling
6. Avon Old Farms
7. Choate
8. Berkshire
9. Westminster
10. Loomis
11. Hotchkiss
12. Kent
13. Northfield Mt. Hermon

Pretty solid rankings. I tweaked to allow for some PG's I'm aware of.

TP lost to AVON as well ..... AOF will be just fine this year with a load of talent returning

I stick by my original rankings. I think 5-7 especially are close but since Avon beet TP and Choate I put them 5 although TP did best Taft last season which muddies the water.

IMO Pre-Season Rankings NE West D1

1. Brunswick
2. Salisbury
3. Deerfield
4. Taft
5. Avon Old Farms
6. Trinty-Pawling
7. Choate
8. Berkshire
9. Westminster
10. Loomis
11. Hotchkiss
12. Kent
13. Northfield Mt. Hermon

Brunswick, Salisbury and Deerfield usual top 3. 4-7 I'd understand if people want to interchange them as they are very close. Noticeable drop after Berkshire towards bottom. Let the arguments begin

You all need to look back at the results from the last season. Choate beat Taft and TP. Lost by one to AOF.

Folks - you all sound crazy talking about results from Spring 2019 to draw insight for Spring 2021. All the impact players from the Spring 2019 teams are now long gone from these rosters/schools. Sure, the perennial powers will reload, but talk about Choate, TP, Avon winning or losing to each other 2 yrs ago is meaningless.

So true...we'll see what 2021 brings. As usual Brunswick, Salsibury, Deerfield, Taft get the top recruits. TP, Avon, Choate and to a lesser extent Berkshire get the next level players. Bottom third of the conference doesn't prioritize lacrosse recruiting as much.

Avon will be a question. They have the same players but have a new coach. As with all new coaches they could gel and be better or falter and be worse.

I saw thy added Fakete. Solid coach don't know him as a person. Should be interesting. Most first year coaches there is a learning curve for players and coach. haven't heard much about their recruiting.

Deerfield just won the NHSLS tournament in MD. comprised largely of MIAA representative squads along with Westminster, New Trier Loyola of CA and a number of other schools. Beat Westminster handily in pool play then a tighter game in the finals.

They will be a contender this year that's for sure. They can play with and beat Brunswick and Salisbury.

That was the first session. They play Calvert tonight and they are a different animal. Good luck to both.

Deerfield had 5 or so 2020's playing yesterday...bit of an advantage

Tonight 7:00 ESPNU Culver vs. Dons Squad (Loyola)
8:00 ESPNU Calvert Hall vs. Deerfield

The first NHSLS session on 7/28-7/29 allowed 2020 graduates for all the teams. The 2nd session now on 7/30-7/31 only allows players that will still be students and playing this approaching season. So Deerfield’s squad for this current session doesn’t have those 2020 graduates. Slightly different squad.

Rankings guy maybe it's time to move Deerfield up in rankings?

Taft and Deerfield both looked very good over the weekend. Shows why NEPSAC West 1 is top league in country.

Anyone hear anything yet from your respective schools regarding winter lacrosse league?

Yeah, they all sent out a note about winter box in Glastonbury....clearly it is super high on the list of reopening protocols.

Let's see If I recall them all correctly:

1. 14 day quarantine upon arrival
2. single occupancy for all boarding students
3. new dining hall time slots
4. hybrid learning and socially distant classroom setting
5. develop plan for winter box lacrosse

I think that was the priority list for all prep schools. Next up, new design for lax uniforms.

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough in my last post. Has anyone heard if the boys will be allowed to practice lacrosse in winter instead of competitive winter sports aka basketball/ wrestling etc?

Perhaps?!? They will get to practice in the fall. All schools doing fall sports practice for 4 days and students have the opportunity to work with their winter/spring teams for the other 2 days. As for Winter, everyone is home for Nov/Dec and part of January, so practice with your club. Pray there is spring sports....

Our school already prepping for possible no competition rule in winter. Expect more spring sport practices in field houses or outdoors this winter weather permitting. I

hearing if numbers stay good for CoVid in NY/CT there may be scrimmage/round robin between schools. Anyone else here of their school participating?

Was at the Apex 60 showcase this week. Choate had 4 players there. New players made the All-Star team. Look out for them next year, new coach is building on 2019 success.

Not sure why everyone kills Choate on this forum. Every year they have a strong squad. So maybe they aren't top 10 program in country each year but they are good. Send lots of players to top D3 and some D1. Trust me they are winning the big game, just not all the High School lax games.

The Apex showcase. LOL

Good to hear "Choate is winning the big game". Pat yourself on the back... A lot of winners out there. There is not one champion in that game.

Are we really still talking about Choate? What about Salisbury, TP, Brunswick, etc.

We should all be worried about next season, Choate just informed students not to come back in Sept and hinted that they might not come back at all this year.

Is the endowment healthy? How much are u paying for that remote learning model.

If it goes all remote they are dropping tuition from 62k to 39k

Reality is until there are vaccines or viable treatments for covid AND 60-65% of the population gets the vaccine sports will be in jeopardy. Practicing lacrosse in fall is nice but it's a long way from playing a schedule in spring.

The odd contradiction though is that most of the players on these Prep teams played competitively all Summer. Most of them probably played in 15 - 25 games and had a lot of practices. All full contact, regular play.

And, while their schools won’t be playing sports this Fall, the club lacrosse will be happening.

Club lacrosse is the Wild West. Clubs are small business owners and want to deliver their product without having to give refunds and still collect checks. Send a simple waiver to parents and then everything goes forward like normal times. Kind of crazy, but that is the reality.

It’s like the twilight zone where there are 2 opposite worlds functioning at the same time and the students/players are operating in both.

Absolutely. However can't see boarding student leaving each weekend for a club practice then being allowed back onto campus.

I agree. Even if the kids are permitted to leave, it will be too difficult. Plus, I have heard that some of the boarding schools are guaranteeing more exposure than playing elsewhere.

Is this site still moderated? How do the above "responses" get through.

Do kids get recruited by any of these schools to play lacrosse? Or are there just so many kids that play and have money to pay that these schools don’t need to bother? Just curious how schools build their programs...

Depends on the school/coach. Some recruit hard and some soft or not at all. For those that recruit hard, the coaches will be at many club events and showcases through the summer/fall. Some are affiliated with certain clubs or at least have relationships with clubs. These coaches will also look to be involved coaching UA teams, etc.

Many of these schools are virtual, there's no campus to go to/from currently.

Our experience is when we decided to go the prep school route we contacted three schools. From there the schools did their homework speaking with HS and club cloaches as well as reference teammates and watched tape. Then the recruitment came in the form of the on-campus visit and how much financial aid each school would give based on their need at that position and wanting "last look" etc.,

Yes they do recruit or at least the top half of Founders League does. Recruitment is similar to college recruiting with exception being there are no "athletic" scholarships. Financial aid is need based/ how much the school wants your son for lacrosse.

Will schools give money strictly on financial need or will they give money based on athletic abilities

They will absolutely give aid based purely on financial need. However if an athlete they want also needs financial aid and they have similar grades/activities/strong interview the athlete may get more depending on the school and the particular year.

The three school we were speaking with all seemed to have a formula to arrive at a data based needs figure. Each school came in within 10k of each other. From there they jockeyed to be the lowest (though in the end that was not the final consideration for us, we had made our decision). Frankly, I was surprised how much aid we were awarded given our family's financial profile. I was shocked actually. I expected nothing based on my tax receipts and final tuition was 1/3 the published tuition. Choate, Deerfield and Avon have HUGE endowments.

Congratulations! All 3 are great schools. Fortunately all the Founders League Schools are much more generous than a typical private secondary school or even a university. Does your son pla sports or is he talented in academics/arts? Private schools look for exceptionally talented students which doesn't always translate in athletics. Often the arts/academia also make an applicant desirable.

Might have to do the preseason rankings-This is just based on college commits so far.

1. Taft
2. Brunswick
3. Salisbury
4. Avon Old Farms
5. Trinity-Pawling
6. Berkshire
7. Hotchkiss
8. Choate
9. All the Rest

Do they play reclass kids based on deals with their club teams?

Why would a Prep School coach play kids based dependent on which club team they play for? Look at any strong Founders league roster and you'll see clubs represented. They play kids with goal of winning as well as developing the program.

Anyone hear anything regarding spring yet from their school?

Is there a maximum amount of reclassed players a team can have? How about Post Graduate players?

Maybe someone else can provide more input but as a father of a Founders league boy who plays lax, the rumors are it potentially isn't looking good. If the fall/winter hits as many are predicting the coaches are slightly pessimistic about a season. I can tell you that my son has NOT been able to leave campus and wont be able to for 10 weeks. If a student does they must quarantine for 2 weeks at home and get tested before returning. If these policies and procedures are in place and the numbers are still going up I don't see how they play lacrosse. I realize March/April is 6 months away but I can only tell you the whispers. The schools care about not refunding some $$ and staying open so if a second wave hits - the travel to and from other schools may not happen. Again these are all just whispers which I hope are wrong AND this pandemic ends soon. But then again if you were to ask me back in March if schools would have had a lockdown in the fall and no sports I would have thought you were be a little silly!

UGH. Speaking as a father of a 2023, next summer is going to everything and here's to hoping your coach has contacts!

There is no max on reclassed players. There is a max on PG players. For football the number is 8, so I can't imagine it is any greater than that.

"Might have to do the preseason rankings-This is just based on college commits so far.

1. Taft
2. Brunswick
3. Salisbury
4. Avon Old Farms
5. Trinity-Pawling
6. Berkshire
7. Hotchkiss
8. Choate
9. All the Rest"

Maybe I'm missing something and they are not part of this league if the above is actually a league, but someone forgot to put Deerfield in there...

My son goes to TP and they are not allowed of campus if boarding. Day students are not allowed to play fall club ball. I don't think there will be winter Basketball/wrestling based on the precautions in place now for fall ball which is all outdoors so while my son desperately wants spring ball after last year being cancelled I too have real doubts they will play games this spring.

This was Founders League but we could expand to New England West

1. Taft
2. Deerfield
3. Brunswick
4. Salisbury
5. Avon Old Farms
6. Trinity-Pawling
7. Berkshire
8. Hotchkiss
9. Loomis Chafee
10. Choate
11. Westminster
12. Kent
13. NFMH

Choate should be higher!

the Founders league just UNANIMOUSLY cancelled winter sports. garbage! This ain't looking good for spring.

Good thing lax isn't in the winter!

That's what the basketball parents said about football! The dominoes are falling.

This is getting ridiculous!

Every day that goes by is making me more nervous for ANY Northeast lacrosse this spring

"MIT became the latest NCAA Division III program to cancel its winter seasons because of the COVID-19 pandemic.

On Monday, MIT cancelled all winter varsity sports competition, which will impact men’s and women’s swimming and diving, men’s and women’s basketball, fencing, rifle, squash, and men’s and women’s indoor track and field.

In addition, the New England Women’s and Men’s Athletic Conference (NEWMAC) Presidents Council voted unanimously to suspend conference play and championships for the 2020-21 winter sports season due to the Covid-19 pandemic."

Education is more important than sports

Not necessarily for the mental health of a 16 year old who may potentially lose a full year (last spring as well) of what makes them feel good about themselves, gives them confidence, friendships etc...In the scheme if things, the mental health component of doing things is becoming just as important as sitting in front of an iPad.

Well said. I hope we have some sort of spring season even abbreviated season possibly later in spring but we'll see.

It's not worth 70k tuition. Take your kid to a shrink for less money.

then you have no idea what you are talking about with these prep schools . they are the best schools in the country for your kid ,,,,, dont bash people sending there kids to these schools ... and here is another note take a look at all the top lacrosse schools rosters they all are a majority of prep kids so have a great day ....

Wow 70k a year to play lacrosse and have little Johnny get his head straight because Daddy has issues living through his son. I bet you go around with five of your kids school stickers slapped all over your car. You d o u c h e.

$70k for my kid to play top level lacrosse, get a great connection and leave HS with a network of friends that put him in a better position for the real world. Oh yea, and I reclassed him as well so that he is older and better situated for taking on leadership positions in school and beyond. Lastly, yes I have his magnets and the one that says he is an honor student. Im not the original poster but I will say you are a short sited little person passing judgement out of, Im guessing, jealousy. Know this, my son is also learning to deal with likes of you.

I was taught never tell people how to spend their money. If getting a child ahead in life is worth 70k a year to someone can they can pay it let them

Love it! Well said!

Hey Buffy, Make sure you wear your pink shorts and yellow golf shirt with the collar up so I can recognize you at the next tournament.

If it gives my son a greater chance to get to a better school and then have a greater platform to achieve in life then its the right choice for me. Go Deerfield. I'll forgo the Denali package on my next vehicle to help fund. Parent as you like, my goal is to do all I can for my children to prepare them and put them in the best position possible for their own futures. Do I miss watching my son play football and lacrosse this year. heck yeah. Does he miss it exponentially more than me, yes. Worry about your own family...

Well Said if you have never had your kid experience prep school don't bash it because you have no idea what you are talking about. if you can afford to do it you will never regret it BEST MONEY EVER SPENT

Even if you can't afford to do it and they want your kid, most have significant endowments and can and will provide significant financial assistance.

My friend went to Taft and now he's in construction.

My friend went to Taft and now he's in construction.

What is the problem with construction. Most tradespersons will have learned a lifelong skill, zero college debt, health benefits and an annuity before your child even graduates

Taft was 60k at the time with four years of his school made it cost 240k plus college costs, then construction. Nothing wrong with construction, just that Prep did nothing as per the statement that it's worth every penny spent.

I have friends that went to colleges not listed on anyone's top 50's that own their own companies or are highly successful on Wall Street. I don't think anyone is going to argue that success is automatic if you go to an elite prep school or college, NOTHING is. Conversely, that you are doomed if you do not go to a highly regarded college. I think most rationale people would agree elite prep school to elite college is going to open up more opportunities initially out of school. From that point on its on the person and the degrees are for the most part office decorations, though there certainly are stronger networking channels afforded due to association. If you disagree with any of the above, well you need to get out a little more and see the world.

Prep Schools are great for cultivating friendships and networking as well as forming better study habits. However the same can be done in a solid public school. The difference is some universities would rather accept a student from a prep school vs public as they generally are tougher academically. Any decent college coach will tell you they look at Founders league first before almost every public school except a few powerhouses to recruit. Kids are generally older and more mature.

I rest my case...

Just curious to here from other FOunders lacrosse parents...are your sons allowed to play with their clubs during the fall/winter break?

Yes, of course

A question purely conjecture looking for others opinions but I'm thinking there may be some sort of abbreviated spring season if vaccines can be administered in a timely fashion. I'm hopeful but not holding my breath

Its not of course. its more like do it at your own discretion but we prefer that you didn't. Just had a zoom meeting as we are heading into the break - where that exact question was asked of the administration. The question was asked about sports in general. The response was basically while we cant tell you what to do at home, you signed a social contract, there are rules in place depending upon where you live re gatherings, you will be coming back and will have to quarantine 2 weeks before return., etc . . .So while kids can play with their local teams its not being done with the blessings of the administration and I gathered they would preferred that you did not.

Thanks for the guidance. We are leaning towards not playing with the exception of outdoor workouts.

Looking for advice from parents with knowledge...Should we go to UA regional tryouts vs NXT showcase next summer. He is a 2024.

Impossible.... Taft HS in the Bronx? Hotchkiss?

With regards to Prep Schools vs. public I can only offer my recent observations. While picking up my son after being away for 3 months at a boarding school he seemed very different in a good way. Much more self reliant and assertive, confident. Already best money I've ever spent!

No doubt people that bash the Prep School route one have no idea about the schools , look at all top Div 1 rosters and see how many public school kids are on roster ...... NOT MANY

Who cares about the top 10 D1 schools? There are close to 1,000 colleges who have lacrosse D1, D2 D3, MCLA, club. More kids are on those teams than 10 schools. You are living your wanna be dreams through your kid sending him to prep school to try and have him on a top 10 team. I hope he doesn't grow up and not make the top 10 D1. You might have a heart attack.

I don't need a prep school to raise my children to be the best versions of themselves. Starts in the home.

He doesn't boast or gloat nor care to be around those that do...or put up with their condescending attitude that others don't know better.

This is how you make my point as you have zero clue ... go to any prep game and it is top Div 1... Ivy and Div 3 schools which are impossible to get into as well so the prep feeds all Divisions .... again you have zero clue go back to HOLBROOK

And a good union job waiting for him after high school!

Anyone here from there coaches an inkling of what spring will hold or even winter for lax in Founders?

Not mentioning schools but I know from my son at his school that they are doing everything to try to at least schedule Founders League games since last season was lost. They are trying hard for all the spring sports otherwise unlike other sports they will have missed 2 seasons. As for winter - no lacrosse at all from the school. The captains have said some lax being run by the team but this is in addition to whatever else you are scheduled to do. Lax isn't an organized option run by the coach. I know my son will be playing basketball and then go to whatever the captains schedule. This is in addition to trying to hit the gym and getting good grades.

Not saying kids can't excel on and off the field in the Public Schools. My son went to one of the best on LI athletically and academically and is now at a Prep School and the talent on the field and in the class room and the whole overall experience has been really eye opening. Agreed values begin in the house, but you are throwing jabs in the dark if you have not seen or experienced what prep schools have to offer.

Founders League and others offer amazing teaching as well as life experiences and athletic competition. My son is a boarder this year at a prep school and the academics are much more difficult than a solid CT public school. So are the athletics. No comparison.

There shouldn’t be a comparison. Public school is paid for with your annual taxes. Private schools can cost about 35 grand or so per year. So for 140 grand extra to attend high school( not college) you should get better academics and better athletics. This is common sense, wouldn’t you agree.

Not necessarily. Yes my son has loved both the academic and athletic challenges at a Founders school but we have friends who haven;t had the same experience we have so far. Granted that probably has more to do with the student/school not being a great fit but just goes to show that a higher price doesn't always mean a better outcome or better product.

It usually does. Granted not always, but almost always. The more you pay for things, the better they are. That goes for almost anything in life. Restaurants, hotels, cars, anything. You get what you pay for. My nephew goes to a boarding school. My brother and his wife, make silly money. Tuition is a drop in the bucket. The school is insane. The facility, the academics, the sports, the food, even the moms who drop the kids off are extra hot. The whole experience is great. Unfortunately with 3 kids, colleges, probably grad school too, prep school would be a tough financial pill to swallow.

Most prep schools are inflated hype for rich people. Often it is a place for kids who, for various and valid reasons, just aren't thriving in their public school or in their personal development. Makes sense. Parents rich enough to try something else can afford to send them away. Oddly it is students who already come from very rich towns with great public schools who dominate prep schools. I mean boarding schools, not local day or Catholic schools. Though those places also are full of kids from rich towns.

Top prep schools are excellent and provide an amazing experience not public HS can touch. But most aren't any better than a decent public HS. I'd say 90% of preps offer nothing better than a Bronxville, Scarsdale, Pleasantville etc can offer in terms of academics.

But this is about lax. Prep schools have completely ramped up their devotion to sports, though, and recruiting mixed with facilities means they are just like college sports these days. Preps have holdbacks, college connections, and are surging in lacrosse, especially in the Northeast.

I'm not one to make sweeping generalizations so I'll just share my experience for what it's worth. My son was an excellent player in a very good Fairfield county school system that wasn't thriving for a number of valid reasons. I was someone that never would have considered boarding school but for him specifically it not only made a ton of sense but it made all the difference in the world. I don't know if the teachers were any better than what he had in public school, but his grades got much better. Add to that the Founders lax experience is at least a level above FCIAC. Most importantly, he not only loved it but he developed a maturity and self-reliance that made transitioning to college a non-event. Every kid and situation will be different, but from my perspective going away to boarding school was the best thing that could have happened to him.

That sounds great. Just curious. How much did the best thing that ever happened to him cost?

Cost him $0. Cost me $63k.

Per year or for all 4 years of high school combined?

Different responder here...we got a partial aid package so for our boy so for us it is about 35K/year.

63k was the full tuition.

Founders league schools are generally $60/year. Do offer need based aid

Thank you

thank you for asking

So the big question is ... does lacrosse happen at prep schools in 2021? Seeing as how they model themselves after the Ivy and NESCAC, who both just cancelled their entire winter sports season, it seems doubtful lacrosse happens.

Too early to tell. I suspect there will be some sort of "hodge podge" season based around testing rates and covid policies. Figure a few "scrimmages" and maybe a couple of actual games very late in the school year as vaccination programs gain steam.

As vaccines become more prevalent we may get a condensed later spring Founders season. Since mens lacrosse is designated a moderate risk covid sport I think there will be a shortened season towards the end of the school year.

Unfortunately this is NOT correct - Mens' Lacrosse is still designated a high risk sport by the High School Governing body - NFHSS. Only the NCAA has reclassified Men's Lacrosse as medium risk. If you want this to change, better sign a petition or write a letter to your Governor.

There will be a shortened season but depends which school you root for. It will be difficult for day schools to schedule games. If boarding schools in a close proximity to each other can agree on testing protocols it can happen.

Just saw these 2021 New England West D1 rankings on Instagram:

1. Taft
2. Brunswick
3. Deerfield
4. Salisbury
5. Avon Old Farms
6. Trinity-Pawling
7. Loomis Chafee
8. Hotchkiss
9. Westminster
10. Berkshire
11. Kent School
12. Choate
13. Northfield Mt. Hermon

What does anyone think?

Top 4 look about right, though rankwise I would say interchangeable. Hope they get to play.

Taft number 1 seems to be the one easy one.

2-5 could be interchangeable with TP possible part of the group as well. All have D! top 20 commits. One difference will be the Faceoff and I think Taft, Deerfield and Avon have the best at the position.

As to actually having playing, that is a concern. I am a parent of one the bottom 7 and the talk is what someone else noted - some games, some scrimmages but not a true season with playoffs etc . . Also was noted the problem with crossing state lines and different rules. Its all a clusterf . . . .

As a parent of top 6 team player I would generally agree with the above rankings. It seems there are almost 3 tiers... Upper tier Taft, Brunswick, Deerfield, Salisbury, Second tier which is smaller...Avon Old Farms and Trinity-Pawling, then 3rd tier which is mostly everyone else although the rankings in that tier could vary greatly year to year and occasionally Avon Old Farms and Trinity-Pawling could creep into top tier.

As a parent of top 6 team player I would generally agree with the above rankings. It seems there are almost 3 tiers... Upper tier Taft, Brunswick, Deerfield, Salisbury, Second tier which is smaller...Avon Old Farms and Trinity-Pawling, then 3rd tier which is mostly everyone else although the rankings in that tier could vary greatly year to year and occasionally Avon Old Farms and Trinity-Pawling could creep into top tier.

Top tier coaches seem very aggressive on the recruiting front. I am curious. How genuine are these coaches once you send your kid there?

Or more importantly, how genuine are the prep school coaches when they are recruiting players? Because every kid can’t be their #1 recruit.

Depends...Depends on the coach and the program. Some will let their top recruits get away with anything while others hold them to a higher standard while forgetting about the lower level recruits. Keep in mind just as your son is on his best behavior during the interview and recruiting process so are the coaches.

Our coach said he's not so sure there will be a spring season. I know we'll have intra-sqaud scrimmages at the least.

CT just gave the green light for “high risk” sports starting Jan 19th.

Where did you hear this. I just spoke to my sons coach and they said they are still waiting and that nothing post 1.19.21 has been decided. Great news if true!

I think CT approved moderate risk sports - this is why is critical that we lax moved from high risk to moderate risk.

Big prep sports schools are like D3 colleges now. They recruit players, get commitments, make the recruit feel special, tell everyone "best players play no matter what" which is BS as named recruits get preferential treatment, non-recruits basically not wanted on the team, and players feel used if they don't buy into it all.

Completely false statement they make the players feel used you have zero clue how great these schools are building these kids up for college and sending them off with the tools and knowledge of how to survive in college . If a prep school brings in kids they are now considered win at all costs what do think happens when little Johnny goes to college because your son is a a great recruit they are going to stop recruiting kids ... Wake up the prep school is preparing kids just for that situation so don't come on here and bash the prep school world when you have zero clue how these schools operate

That is a pretty cynical view.

It does seems strange that Taft, in particular, is taking a ton of kids who just PG there (to 'season themselves for college ball') or have 2 years there maximum. I can see how it benefits the program to have influx of talent rotating in every year, but that has to be tough in the locker room and overall culture. High school sports isn't all about winning, there is still a sense of paying your dues as an underclassman, and perenially there is the question 'what has been promised to the recruits'?

A bunch of the '22 recruits this year made their commitment announcements and it turns out they are reclassing to '23 but that didn't come out till much later. Seems a bit dodgy if you aren't allowed to talk to colleges until Sept 1 of your junior year.

how many recruited freshman at a school like taft actually even make Varsity?

Avon has the best offensive player in the country. Think they score a ton which helps tremendously!

Cant play in the founders league if you are 20 years old. Another reason kids re class is academics. Founders League much
tougher academically than public schools.

I would agree with the FOunders being much tougher academically. My son has to work much harder in Founders to get similar grades as our public school.

Within the Founders League, there are HUGE differences in the academics between schools.

Oh, do tell us the differences please.

Can anyone with a son at the Founders League/ New England West 1 boarding schools report if there has been any communication whatsoever about spring sports? I have a son who would normally be competing against them. Wondering if there will be any kind of games, even within the state (CT for a lot of them or MA for others).

To date all we have heard is that the are "really" trying bc they know last Spring was lost as well and thus it would be two lost seasons. No details have been given other than the schools saying there will be some form of lacrosse against some schools, No idea what that means and that doesn't sound very reassuring. The one thing it definitely sounds like is it will be a season put together with scotch tape and probably against a few schools with no playoffs and many testing protocols in place.

My son has a lacrosse meeting tomorrow night but coach has already say there will be something...Founders won't make the decision till later this month or February.

Most of these schools are not committing to anything right now. I've heard of a few prep schools that are planning to play games where they can find competition. Connecticut and Massachusetts public schools are cleared to play, and are playing winter sports, including games. Major problem is that Ivy League and NESCAC haven't announced that they will have seasons again this year. Outside of the Northeast, lacrosse seasons are underway, some officially some unofficially (captain's practices, etc.). As we've all witnessed over the summer and fall, lacrosse was played safely outdoors and I didn't hear of one tournament or event that resulted in a lot of Covid spread. The NE boarding schools seem to be focused on taking "zero" risk, evidenced by the outright cancellation of Founders League sports and many schools not even bringing students back on campus despite frequent testing and an extremely low risk population - deaths, hospitalizations and "severe" cases are lower than the common flu/pneumonia in many instances. There is zero or close to zero scientific evidence or data that supports eliminating high school sports, especially sports played outdoors. We need one school to step up and provide leadership by stating they are committed to having a season and releasing a plan to have interscholastic sports. It can be done safely as we are seeing all over the country, it's inexcusable what these schools are doing to the kids and the parents that pay high tuitions for the boarding school experience.

Putting aside whether u agree or disagree with this sentiment I can tell you that my sons boarding school has said absolutely no spring break trip and most likely no Wednesday games. Usually games are Wednesday/Saturday. they did say they hope to play "multiple" games on Fri-Sat since no Wednesday games but no schedule in place. The biggest issue they said they are running into, is that some schools want to play and others don't and the scheduling of games due to individual school COVID repopulation and school calendar. Some are not having a spring break (or a shorter one and others are. Some schools already went back to campus and others are just starting this week. Some schools are ENDING the first week in May and others the first week in June. What all of this means is that as someone noted above this season is going to be put together with scotch tape and who knows how it will come across. The boys and girls at these schools are screwed and are being given the runaround with now potentially TWO SEASONS MISSED and even if this SPring is played it will be a hodge podge of a season.

The season doesn't matter. We pay $70,000 for education. Lacrosse is a dead end street.

Good for you. I pay $$ so my child can potentially have the best of many different worlds including academics and athletics. I am willing to wager 99.9% of the people have their kids lacrosse for a multitude of reasons with NONE of them being going professional one day (that is what I am interpreting as a "dead end street"). I don't know what you consider a dead end street but for me if additional doors are opened bc my child is an exceptional athlete then it is not a dead end street. If colleges that my child may not have received a look at or admission to is bc of a sport then it is not a dead end street. By your idiotic response unless your child is going professional then everything is a dead end street. Swimming, wrestling, field hockey, volleyball etc . . .In addition, I can tell you that my son's closest friends are from his team sports (not just lacrosse) and for ALL of them, the season does matter. Waking up with something to look forward to other than an Algebra test is not a dead end street. Your response clearly shows you were not an athlete as a child bc for 99.9% of athletes the season DOES matter regardless if the child plays in college or never plays again after their last high school game as that is WHY they play a sport.

Putting aside whether u agree or disagree with this sentiment I can tell you that my sons boarding school has said absolutely no spring break trip and most likely no Wednesday games. Usually games are Wednesday/Saturday. they did say they hope to play "multiple" games on Fri-Sat since no Wednesday games but no schedule in place. The biggest issue they said they are running into, is that some schools want to play and others don't and the scheduling of games due to individual school COVID repopulation and school calendar. Some are not having a spring break (or a shorter one and others are. Some schools already went back to campus and others are just starting this week. Some schools are ENDING the first week in May and others the first week in June. What all of this means is that as someone noted above this season is going to be put together with scotch tape and who knows how it will come across. The boys and girls at these schools are screwed and are being given the runaround with now potentially TWO SEASONS MISSED and even if this SPring is played it will be a hodge podge of a season.[/quote]
The season doesn't matter. We pay $70,000 for education. Lacrosse is a dead end street.[/quote]

Good for you. I pay $$ so my child can potentially have the best of many different worlds including academics and athletics. I am willing to wager 99.9% of the people have their kids lacrosse for a multitude of reasons with NONE of them being going professional one day (that is what I am interpreting as a "dead end street"). I don't know what you consider a dead end street but for me if additional doors are opened bc my child is an exceptional athlete then it is not a dead end street. If colleges that my child may not have received a look at or admission to is bc of a sport then it is not a dead end street. By your idiotic response unless your child is going professional then everything is a dead end street. Swimming, wrestling, field hockey, volleyball etc . . .In addition, I can tell you that my son's closest friends are from his team sports (not just lacrosse) and for ALL of them, the season does matter. Waking up with something to look forward to other than an Algebra test is not a dead end street. Your response clearly shows you were not an athlete as a child bc for 99.9% of athletes the season DOES matter regardless if the child plays in college or never plays again after their last high school game as that is WHY they play a sport.[/quote]

You stuck up snot! " if additional doors are opened bc my child is an exceptional athlete". I bet your kid s u c k s

The season doesn't matter. We pay $70,000 for education. Lacrosse is a dead end street.[/quote]

Good for you. I pay $$ so my child can potentially have the best of many different worlds including academics and athletics. I am willing to wager 99.9% of the people have their kids lacrosse for a multitude of reasons with NONE of them being going professional one day (that is what I am interpreting as a "dead end street"). I don't know what you consider a dead end street but for me if additional doors are opened bc my child is an exceptional athlete then it is not a dead end street. If colleges that my child may not have received a look at or admission to is bc of a sport then it is not a dead end street. By your idiotic response unless your child is going professional then everything is a dead end street. Swimming, wrestling, field hockey, volleyball etc . . .In addition, I can tell you that my son's closest friends are from his team sports (not just lacrosse) and for ALL of them, the season does matter. Waking up with something to look forward to other than an Algebra test is not a dead end street. Your response clearly shows you were not an athlete as a child bc for 99.9% of athletes the season DOES matter regardless if the child plays in college or never plays again after their last high school game as that is WHY they play a sport.[/quote]

You stuck up snot! " if additional doors are opened bc my child is an exceptional athlete". I bet your kid s u c k s[/quote]

It was a rhetorical comment and I was speaking in the abstract but if I am a snot then so be it. I still stand by what I said and if A (not mine) child is an exceptional (OR VERY GOOD) athlete and if additional doors are opened then again, it is not a dead end street. Maybe my kid s u c k s or maybe he doesn't the point is still the same that "Lacrosse is NOT a dead end street."

To the parent above...sports DO mater. Especially if students are driven and have athletic goals and aspirations. BTW this is a lacrosse forum and if you don't care for athletic banter or don't think lacrosse is important to many of the lacrosse players you are on the wrong forum.

Whether you are a janitor or a banker, playing a college sport absolutely opens doors. NCAA athletes, regardless of Division, are typically given a closer look by a hiring manager a) because they may have played the sport or b) respect the hard work at takes to go to school and play college sports. Good luck may factor in your career trajectory but so does hard work which most hiring managers will check off that back for an athlete.

Maybe for a security job, but nerds rule the roost at the top of most securities firms. Oh, lax bro. Next...

THE FOUNDERS LEAGUE JUST CANCELLED THE SPRING!

Founders League just cancelled the 2021 spring season.

This is so sad and pathetic...the people that run these schools...smh

WHAT A JOKE! DEFINITELY COULD HAVE FIGURED A WAY TO BAND-AID OR LATE START A SEASON. MEANWHILE NO STATE OR LEAGUE HAS CANCELLED ANY SPRING SPORTS YET OTHER THAN FOUNDERS.

Here we go ... Yale cancels, Founders cancels, NESCAC issues a statement basically saying they will cancel, ISL will cancel ... If there was a civil war, New England would get taken over in about 12 minutes. Rich, smart wimps

What actually happened is that FL canceled the championships. So, while there won't be recognized standings or league champions, schools are free to play games on an institution-by-institution basis. Each school will have to decide on if/when they will play and be in agreement with the opponent. My son's school said they will take into consideration the opposing team's school's COVID protocols. Also, they won't be crossing state lines so only opponents in CT. I also heard something about maybe all-boys schools won't be allowed to play co-ed schools, which makes no sense to me but what do I know.

These schools can choose to create their own games schedules if they want. The leagues, such as Founders, are weak hollow shells of leadership. As an example, AOF is playing hockey games this winter. However, AOF is part of Founders, which also canceled Winter competition. Families need to apply pressure to the trustees to get their heads out of the sand.

My son plays at TP. I know for a fact the hockey team has played and is playing select games based on COVID situation at each school. I'm not sure if he would play vs CT teams or other states but hopefully they can schedule a couple of games so there is something to train for and look forward to.

Its going to be a ___show! my son plays FL lax and the coach said it will be a week by week basis BUT they have already said no Wednesday/Sat games rather Friday and Sat game IF both teams ALL test negative Mon/Tues. Already 2 of the FL teams have said they aren't playing. As of now no crossing state lines so no playing TP or the good Mass teams. Lucky to get in 10 games. Utter shame. My son played travel lax all last summer and COVID was higher and he took precautions as did the parents and all worked out. Play with darn masks and socially distance when not playing the game. I would even say wear a mask and a cascade shield if that gets the kids playing. This is ridiculous! Everywhere else is having a season. The seniors missing out on ending their career in a positive fashion and the Juniors and Sophomores are missing out on playing time for recruiting and getting ready for the summer. The FL cares about one thing - $$ in their pockets by having the boarders pay and stay on campus. Absolute embarrassment.

My kids attend day schools that play some of the FL teams. At least my kids have been able to play sports on weekends and at night (club etc) the FL kids are stuck at school and can't leave. No spring sports season now? That would be a bitter pill to swallow for the money those schools cost. They aren't even willing to try, that's the worst part. Some of the most elite lacrosse teams in the country and those kids are like prisoners. It's one thing when the whole country is stuck inside like last Spring, now these kids have to watch the world playing around them. I really feel for them, it stinks.

Which 2 FL schools said they won’t be playing any games this Spring?

All of them. They walked it back by saying it's a school by school decision but no league, no championship. Coaches and kids have already started leaving.

Schools can still schedule games on their own. As previously stated CT based schools cannot cross state lines to play so schools such as TP, Deerfield and others will have to get creative to play this spring. CT schools should be able to have a band aid spring although nothing worth what we pay as parents for the FL experience.

Updates on anyones FL season?

Our school can schedule games depending on covid at the opposong schools but not during week. Trending towards Fri/Sat double headers.

We will have double headers on Fri/Sat but no Wednesday games. Hope this helps.

One of the top boys on Avon already left (it was in the fall though in anticipation of this awful decision). The heads of the FL truly have done a disservice to these boys and only care about lining the schools pockets. Putting aside the fact that IMG, schools in the south (Georgia and NC) have already started their season, even locally, Long Island, Westchester, NJ, Connecticut public are all going to be playing. Its really pathetic and these boys are getting screwed. And yes I think COVID is real but lacrosse can be played.

The problem is not entirely covid itself. The rules or contrainst being applied to specific sports are based on concussion protocols. For example basketball is considered moderate or medium risk for concussions while football and boys lacrosse are listed as high risk for concussions as compared to other activities which they obviously are. However, those same designations are being applied at a national, some state, and NEPSAC level to the risk associated with transmitting covid. Obviously playing basketball indoors in gyms with little or no advanced filtration is a much higher risk for covid than playing lacrosse outdoors however since lacrosse is a higher concussion risk in their minds it must be a higher risk for transmitting covid. The reality is no one has taken the time to develop new standards with regards to classifying sports based on covid because their is no money in that. Shame for all our boys.

Well it looks like we are going to all play some sort of disjointed season. I don't know how any teams will be ranked and it probably doesn't matter as long as the boys hard work is rewarded. Good luck to all teams!

Founders will be stacked next year as reclassing apps are up 30% from this time last year. Should be some interesting internal competitions for PT

Most of the kids going to these elite schools for an additional year of lacrosse were given scholarships. Yes it's sad their season got cut but they were going there as post grads to get a better spot in colleges.

Ummmm...most FL teams have 3-5 PG's. The rest are flat out losing another year.

Seems CT is going to let schools play interstate games so maybe there can be a quasi normal season?

Where and when was this announced ? Official ?

Last week. Its up to the individual schools. Has already been stated here some PG and transfers have already left because of the decision.

ISL just approved play, basically saying schools can do what they want. Likely play in-state. But they are approved.

Big tournament for private schools on 6/9 and 6/10 after school ends. Finally the boys can have a pseudo championship.

???? where and whats the name. Tks

NGHSLC is technical name or just High School Championship. At FSA Sportsplex in Farmington, CT. Limited to 24 teams from New England West I/Founders League, ISL, Lakes Region, MAPL conferences. Should be good. Teams cannot compete under their school so have to use generic names such as Red, or Tigers etc.

you have to also account for the academic differences amongst these institutions. so as to not hurt anyone's feelings, I wont specify amongst the preps, but there are pretty marked differences in the testing levels, acceptance rates and academic reputations and "output" from school to school. there are kids who attend and thrive at some of these schools that would not be admitted academically to other schools on the list. the best example would be to maybe think about the difference between Princeton and Hofstra. great schools, great lacrosse but a Princeton degree will open doors that Hofstra wont.
the same applies to the preps, so coming in to do 2 years (likely after reclassifying) or doing a PG year, can open academic doors for a student athlete that will not open staying home and playing for their local high school regardless of the quality of the program at home. another season, another chance at the SAT or AP classes, another year of lifting and an opportunity to live away from home in a more guided manner all add to the total value and make the adjustment to college much easier.

No doubt that in the NEPSAC there is an academic as well as athletic hierarchy and they are mutually exclusive for the most part. That being said, most children will benefit from being in the right prep school vs their local public school. Obviously there are exceptions to everything but in general you get what you pay for and this includes education.

Brunswick is the exception - look where those kids go year in and year out - Princeton, Duke & Harvard. It's indignity they won't be playing Taft this year. -another school which has high academics and would have a strong team this year.

Is Taft playing this spring? They aren't on my sons schedule either although 'wick is.

Lucky for you. Taft would destroy your sons team!!!

"Lucky for you. Taft would defeat your sons' team!!!"

This is a hoot! I thought by the time high school rolls around, the lax dads settle into the fact that there are great players everywhere and their sons may or may not be one of them, if they are being realistic. This comment is the equivalent of saying my dad could beat up your dad on the elementary school playground. Grow up and act like an adult.

Actually my sons team defeated Taft the last time they played so thanks for the warning. That really doesn't matter. I was simply implying there are probably are very different schedules this year due to covid. Nothing more, nothing less. Does anyone know if there are 2 divisions in NEPSAC West I this season?

There are really no formal divisions or leagues within NEPSAC this coming season. Schedules will not be typical and each school will do things somewhat different from normal. The most likely and common difference is that there likely will not be games across states lines (or at least hardly any).

Teams can cross state lines to play as CT teams can play Trinity-Pawling which is in NY. Not sure if boarding schools only but it's a start.

Some teams have snippets of schedules on Max preps. A partial example shows Brunswick is playing Kent, Avon Old Farms, Lawrenceville, Darien, New Canaan and Trinity Pawling. Hopefully a good sign bc shows day schools playing boarding schools, public playing private and teams crossing state lines. Fingers crossed.

Seems as though season will be mostly double headers or back to backs on weekends for Founders teams. May have 6-7 teams on the schedule but 12-14 games.

Anyone from the ISL out there? How about NE Division II? Yes Founders is king but there are plenty of strong teams all over New England.

Correct. Avon actually has 15 games and plays TP and Salisbury 4x each. Would have loved to see a Taft or Choate or Westy on the schedule but they are playing 15 games and playing Deerfield, Brunswick, Loomis and Kent as well. As a parent I am happy they are playing and I know the boys are thrilled even if the scheduling isn't perfect.

Agreed. I don't know if we will be able to attend games this spring but the boys are excited there will be a season. Would have been nice to play a typical Founders schedule and not play Avon 4x but beggars cant be choosers. Glad the league made the right call by letting the schools schedule their own games rather than not playing.

Just saw the Lawrenceville schedule and its frustrating the Founders league cant play a normal season. They are playing 18x with playoffs etc . . . Ridiculous!

Covid wreaks havoc...again. Deerfield Academy was in Florida and scheduled to "scrimmage" IMG, but game got cxl as a result of a Covid BO amongst the Deerfield team. No game. First goal for the Spring for teams will be to get games on the schedule. The second goal will be for the games to actually take place.

No one get comfortable yet with the assumption well play this spring in Founders. No attendance policies have been posted and we are a mere 2 weeks from games. Also, if your son plays football don't bet against Founders "cancelling" that season also. Any excuse to copy the Ivy's.

Anyone hear about attendance at games? Will parents be allowed in stands or cars?

Here’s a question. What is the recommended process for getting noticed by and select a prep school? Anyone getting money for sports? My son is a rising Sophomore that has finally gone through puberty and is playing club at the top level. Based on his late bloom and this lots year of school we are thinking about holding him back and sending him away after next year. Would love some advice or guidance from those that have gone through the process......and before the snide remarks, yes he is good enough that coaches are willing to make introductions but is there any showcase, is it based on school selection first, were your boys recruited? We are thinking about this regardless of lax.

We have gone through this process with 2 sons at NE boarding schools. Through this process, we have interacted with lacrosse coaches at 11 boarding schools. Our sons have played on top level clubs as well.

It is important to be proactive in this process and begin by familiarizing your family with the various potential schools. There are a lot of differences in academics, lacrosse competitiveness, size, coed, etc. As a start, go the www.boarding school review.com to get an initial sense and then go to school’s actual websites.

From there, have your son reach out to the coaches by email. If your son has a highlight video, include the link in the email. That email will get the ball rolling. Most of these coaches are involved or at least familiar with the club circuit. Some coach club teams and others go to summer tournaments to watch/meet kids.

The degree to which a coach has “pull” within admissions will vary school-by-school. However, almost all interact with admissions and submit a list of the players they want to support (often ranked by how much they want the player). This support certainly helps, but the applicant still needs to be an academically viable candidate for the school.

As for scholarships, it is almost all based on need-based financial aid. Meaning kids will get financial aid based on their family finances, not based on lacrosse talent. So if the family needs it, they will get it and up a full scholarship. It is a very formulaic financial aid assessment process that is similar across schools. However, if it is a very wealthy family, they won’t qualify for aid (even if child is lacrosse star).

Based on what you describe, it sounds like repeating a year would be a beneficial path for your son. Happy to answer more questions.

We just went through this and settled on a prep school for our son for next year, we are from a non-hot bed area so at the start we knew nothing about the process. Our son will reclass, which as parents we felt was his best option on many levels. He is going from a public school that hasn’t been in person for over a year to an academically more challenging school. For lacrosse it helps to reclass, and the coach told him he will be the youngest player in his graduating class of lacrosse players even after reclassing.

My son got noticed at Showtime first as a rising Freshmen and at other big name showcases over the last 2 years, but it took ourselves and our club directors reaching out and starting a dialogue with the prep coaches to gain interest. We sent film, high school coach recommendations and did a lot of visiting prep schools to find the right fit with the right coach. Our club coaches played a huge part in helping us, guiding us and figuring out what to look for in a school.

Along the way we figured out that a good amount of these prep coaches will tell you what you want to hear and BS you all day long. Some prep coaches over recruit, be very careful of that! Some coaches seemed like they were using a script when they talked to us, it felt at times not genuine. And if the prep coach stops texting and reaching out, forget about that school, it’s not the right one. The coach that is really interested will text at least once a week and keep you updated on a weekly basis about your sons application and chances that he will get admitted. You will know ahead of the March 10 decision date if he is getting in, we found this info out in advance with each school that accepted our son. All of these prep coaches have pull in admissions. Being a double or triple Varsity athlete helps, mine is a 3 sport Varsity athlete as a freshman and each sport adds to your value in the admission process. Grades have to be good! Since testing was optional this year, our son did not test.

Yes there is financial aid available. In our situation the financial aid came at right what our “family contribution” said when filling out the FA worksheets online. I think if you son is a great player and a top choice, FA will be met, the better the player, the better the FA. But really look at a school that can take an interest in the development of your child as a whole, if they feel supported away from home this will only improve their game. Look for the school that feels like a family and not a country club for rich kids. Finding the right prep school is like finding the person you are going to marry, you just know when you’ve found the right one, your son will fall in love with the school and you as parents will too and the coach will already be in love.

Thank you both for the most coherent and helpful answers I have ever seen posted on this site!!!

Anyone know if there son/school is playing in the "High School Championships" June 9/10 this summer in CT?

Start early, reach out to the founders league coaches now.

What is your guys top 5 in order for NE this season? It seems as if Taft Deerfield and Wick are the top three. I’d be interested to hear what you all think, and why

Taft seems to be on a level alone this season but we'll see how it plays out. 2-4 are interchangeable. Avon and TP could surprise and challenge for next tier. 7-9 All good teams and could move up rapidly in a normal Founders season.
1. Taft
2. Brunswick
3. Deerfield
4. Salisbury
5. Avon Old Farms
6. Trinty-Pawling
7. Westminster
8. Berkshire
9. Loomis
10. Choate
11. Hotchkiss
12. Kent
13. Northfield Mt. Hermon

Does anyone know how they did the schedules bc for example Avon for is playing Kent 2x, TP 4x, Salisbury 4x, Deerfield 2x, Brunswick 2x, Loomis 1x but no Taft, Westy, Berkshre Choate or Hotchkiss.

Founders was split in 2 "divisions". TP plays Brunswick 2x, Avon 4x, Salisbury 2x, Berkshire 2x, Millbrook 2x, Kent 2x. So no Taft, Loomis, Choate, Hotchkiss, Deerfield. Weird season this year for sure but way better than how the prospects looked in winter.

You are sleeping on Loomis! Just crushed Westy and getting stronger each week.

I thought Loomis plays Westminster this coming Sat (4/10). When did they play?

Westminster easily beat Choate last Saturday.

Easily is an understatement. I was very surprised at the blowout. thought it was going to be a 1 or 2 goal game that could have gone either way but it was never close.

Most schools play this weekend but already hearing covid rumblings might cancel some.

I bet the guy on here touting Choate was pretty surprised too...

That's funny! They'll get better but definitely had their eyes opened. There is no substitute for experience and age. I dont care how good a freshman is it's almost impossible to best a 18-19 year old senior on a regular basis.

Choate guy - now you know how every other team feels about your football team. Tough to play anyone with 12-15 PGs.

Are the 15 PG's on the lacrosse team as well?

The PG limit for football is 8, not 12-15...

No limit for PG's in lacrosse. An entire team could be PG but might deter boys from staying at that school.

Looks like the side with Avon, TP, Salisbury and others plays full 14 games while other side plays much less. Not sure why that is.

There are no “sides” or a “league” this year. That all went out the window with COVId. Schools are just setting the own policies and scheduling accordingly. Some being aggressive and some conservative. At ends of the spectrum, Brunswick has a very aggressive and big schedule, Choate on the other end has 6 games scheduled.

Taft @ Wick offically locked in for May 12. Gonna be the game of the year for this entire region

If work permits would love to watch that game.

Early Season rankings IMO although season ends in 4 weeks. Hard to do with some schools not playing or barely playing but top school so far is obvious.

1. Brunswick
2. Taft
3. Deerfield
4. Salisbury
5. Avon Old Farms
6. Trinty-Pawling
7. Berkshire
8. Hotchkiss
9. Loomis
10. Westminster
11. Choate
12. Northfield Mt. Hermon
13. Kent

Not many changes this week as lots of split series over the past couple of weekends. Some schools don't post records or only play a handful of games this spring while others play 14-18 which will lead to some strange rankings this season. So far looks like Top 4 are safe then next tier is 2-3 teams then a large drop in play.

1. Brunswick
2. Deerfield
3. Taft
4. Salisbury
5. Avon Old Farms
6. Trinty-Pawling
7. Berkshire
8. Loomis-Chafee
9. Hotchkiss
10. Westminster
11. Choate
12. Northfield Mt. Hermon
13. Kent

Taft too low absolutely loaded this spring!

Wick, Deerfield and Taft are ALL loaded. 'Wick vs. DA today; Taft vs. Wick 12th; DA vs. Taft 19th. The truth will come out my guess is they each go 1-1... HOW did Wick lose to Lawrenceville ??

Deerfield over Brunswick 12-11. Great game. Deerfield had a 4 or 5 goal lead at one point and Brunswick came roaring back. Strong play all over the field. Both goalies excellent. Brunswick controlled the majority of the faceoffs and had probably 5 or 6 man ups to DA's 1 or 2 but couldn't get it done today. Curious in save totals for each goalie. Brunswick goalie had 6 I counted in the first Q alone... Great fast paced game.

Taft will almost always be loads as will "Wick and Deerfield/Salisbury. Up to next tier i.e AOF and TP to get the best regional players and find diamonds. 3rd tier hopig to get 1 student/year.

Updated rankings:
1. Deerfield
2. Brunswick
3. Taft
4. Salisbury
5. Trinity-Pawling
6. Avon Old Farms
7. Berkshire
8. Hotchkiss
9. Loomis
10. Westminster
11. Choate
12. Northfield Mt. Hermon
13. Kent

Deerfield has been crushing this season. Brunswick real close but a couple of tight losses. Taft could be best team in region but has played a light schedule so far.
Salisbury a little better than TP and AOF which has played a brutal schedule. Huge frop after #6 which could easily flip as TP and AOF play again this weekend after spitting the ealier series. Open for debate.

Anybody know the Loomis vs Choate result from Sat 5/8?

Taft/Brunswick game very enlightening. Brunswick won 14-7. That was the difference between an elite defensive unit and a so-so defensive unit. Pre-season rankings are just a finger in the air guesstimate based on starred recruits, not on chemistry, coaching or being battle ready. Brunswick played through a gauntlet of stiff competition all spring and had to figure out multiple ways to win, Taft never did, and it showed - their offense ran the same play over and over and forced passes to marked players in the interior the whole game or #25 and #2 took a lot of low angle shots that missed the cage entirely. And I say this with the knowledge that Deerfield is probably the best team in the country now.

Deerfield has a gauntlet to run to hold on to that #1 spot, but if they do, then I think they have earned it. Salisbury, Salisbury, Taft, Belmont. Good luck with that. Don't write any rankings in stone, I predict additional movement at the top of the leaderboard to come!

9-2 Loomis.

Deerfield took both vs. Salisbury. 8-6 Friday, 11-4 Saturday in a non-competitive game. Malvern Prep over Brunswick was impressive.

IMO Rankings week 7

1. Deerfield
2. Brunswick
3. Salisbury
4. Taft
5. Avon Old Farms
6. Trinity-Pawling
7. Berkshire
8. Hotchkiss
9. Loomis
10. Westminster
11. Kent
12. Choate
13. Northfield Mt Hermon

Deerfield running the table so far on a crazy schedule. "Wick not far behind. Salisbury ahead of Taft due to much tougher schedule and Taft getting trounced by "Wick. AOF and TRinity-Pawling basically same team but gave edge to AOF with tough schedule although lesser W/L record. Berkshire firm #7 then steep drop after #8. Open for debate as always.

Deerfield over Taft 7-5.

DA 14-8 win over Belmont Hill in a tough competitive game

Final D1 NE West Rankings

1. Deerfield
2. Brunswick
3. Taft
4. Salisbury

5. Avon Old Farms
5. Trinity-Pawling

7. Berkshire
8.Hotchkiss

9.Loomis Chaffee
10.Westminster
11.Kent
12.Choate
13. Northfield Mt Hermon

Basically did last rankings in 4 tiers. Deerfield was a little better than Brunswick who smoked Taft. TP and AOF sooo close at 5 decided to go to head-to head but they split 4 games! Big drop from those 2 to Berkshire and larger drop after that to next tier. Good luck to all the boys over the summer and see you next spring!

DA, Wick, Taft and Sals were all incredibly deep and talented teams. A few bounces, pipes or calls the other way could've swung outcomes to a different result. That being said, NE Prep lacrosse is elite. Though nationally unknown, Belmont Hill was also exceptional (ask Taft...) but unrecognized. If there is a team out there that could beat Deerfield, well then they would be tops, but no evidence to suggest there is unless there is some outlier west of the Mississippi!

Rankings look pretty good. Hard to make may changes. Maybe next year add in ISL which includes teams such as Belmont Hill or St Sebs.

Taft finished strong and made NE West 1 look good at the Geico tournament, nicely done Rhinos!

Not disputing Taft isn't a great team but St. Johns Fogo was injured and I don't think they won more than 3 faceoffs the entire game and still only lost by a few. It s a shame he was injured. Even the night before they went 4 for 26 at the faceoff x and but won because of goalie and defense. They were asking a lot of their goalie and defense.

Should be intersting next year as tons of D1 and D3 talent leaves the league. Will we see another huge wave of PG's and reclasses?

I thought the game vs Culver was a much better, faster game. The final game was pretty slow and dreadfully boring. One of the few bright spots for Taft was their goalie, who is the best I’ve seen in high school. What I found interesting, was the announcers, pointing out certain reckless penalties caused by the Taft attack unit in both games.

Recruiting question:
Which coaches are more valuable for recruiting, club coaches or High School coaches?

Club.
If you go to public school in MD the coaching job posting needs to go through the school system before anyone outside can apply

Depends on the high school, depends on the club, and depends on how personally connected and well-reputed the coach is. The nationally top-ranked club teams will get lots of attention from recruiters who attend the top tourneys, but the mediocre clubs and B teams at mediocre tourneys, not so much. Unlikely that your low ranking high school team coach will have much influence on recruiting unless he is well connected, but of course the top-ranking HS teams will always generate recruiting interest.

Deerfield has annihilated the its opponent in each game thus far at the Prep Challenge. Last run today for that incredibly deep, talented group.

They beat Hotchkiss 9-8 on a late goal today.

Serious recruiting question for 2024's:
There are so many showcases now available: Juniors, Future Phenoms, Apex Super 60 Summer Finale, Nike nationals Team, US Lacrosse Developmental, Under Armour AA, One Percent, Under the Radar. I'm sure I missed a bunch but which are least political and more merit based? My son plays for one the more prominent clubs but at some point it has to be about how the boys play right? Any guidance is appreciated.

Reality is most boys won't play for a top 20 ranked D1 team. You would be surprised how many D1 and D3 players come from regular club teams or even A teams from the larger clubs. Every players tape looks good. Key is to play well in front of schools your son may want to attend.

odds we play a normal season in Founders?

I’m starting to get nervous that the season will be cancelled. Our school hasn’t released a schedule yet, have any Founders league schools released their schedule?

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Seems like a lot of these boarding schools are pretty aggressive in terms of recruiting lax players. Does anyone on this board have any schools they would “stay away” from. Maybe coaches aren’t straight shooters etc.

My experience has been to stay away from the schools where the coaches aren't getting back to you, and the school communication is lacking. Also ask the coaches if they have spots open for your sons position. See what travel clubs the coaches coach for.

Ask about PGs and bringing kids in at your sons position. Very few schools will affirmatively turn down a stud PG but that is different than actively recruiting PGs. Others will overload at a position (example Faceoff). You will see some schools do it more than others. Look at rosters as this affects playing time and enjoyment and eventually recruitment.

Best scenario is to repeat 11th grade at Prep.

seems like the same schools are always more competitive, Lawrenceville, Taft, Deerfield etc , any downside with those schools?

just playing time, but who cares if you are spending the money to send your son to such high academic institutions.

For the most part they are but there can be some ebb and flow. 2 of the 3 schools you mentioned are now competitive bc of coach turnover (not that they weren't good before but now they are excellent). Taft and Lawrenceville have become beasts bc of new regimes. Nic Bell (few years) and Posner (1 year). Again, as another poster said just look at position and playing time if that's what's important bc for the most part the academics are good all around at these all of these schools. Some are obviously better (Deerfield) but I am making a general comment.

We don't have our yet. And, just hearing the NESCACs are starting to push back their dates. trinity and Amherst went back 2 weeks. Makes me nervous.

The downside to those schools lacrosse wise is that if you aren’t #1 or #2 at your position, the player may never see the field. Your son may not get significant time until they are a Junior or Senior. The other downside is that those 2 schools and schools similar who like to advertise at how good they are, tend to over recruit. And by over recruit, I mean drastically over recruit and bring in more PG’s than other schools.

If you are looking at those schools, better ask the right questions or your kid may have a really sore behind from sitting in the bench for 4 years.

The best way to tell how badly schools like that want your son on their team is by how much FA you get. The best players are there on extremely generous FA. If the coach isn’t contacting your son frequently during the process, that’s a good indicator as well.

people complain about their travel programs all the time, but never hear anyone complain about the prep school situation. if posner at lawrenceville, and Bell at taft etc etc are contacting your kid, with 'we want you " etc etc- - is that a good indication they are truly serious about your child?

Not sure I’ve read anybody complaining, rather giving advice about how to find the right prep school and the right fit. There are a lot of extremely good prep schools out there, most have great academics, and high level lacrosse. Finding a lacrosse program where your child will make the most of his experience takes asking all the right questions.

Everyone should go through this process with their eyes wide open and realize your son isn’t the only one receiving the “we want you” texts from coaches.

A good question would be going to Taft vs Hotchkiss. Basically play the same competition. Taft definitely a stronger program. But a player that might barely see time until 12th grade at Taft might be a starter or at least get a lot of time in grade 10 on.

Completely disagree. Repeat 10th if that’s the route u are going. Then u get 10th to prep for the summer before 11th when all of the recruiting is done.

False

How does the PG year work with recruiting? Does the college drive that with a recruit? Seems the process should be done by the time you get around to that actual school year.

What is false. Isn't the main recruiting summer between 10th and 11th. What's false about the statement.

Wouldn’t kid repeat 9th? It Gives the kid extra year before recruiting year?

I think redoing 8th-10th makes sense for recruiting. Not sure why you would repeat 11th vs a PG year and what is even the point of a PG year as recruiting should be well done by then.

PG year is typically done to get grades up. An ivy for example might verbal a kid with conditions related to grades and coursework that sometimes will require a Pg year to achieve. Also kids who de-commit or get de-commited in their senior year might need that PG year to get more looks from other schools.

Sometimes…

Pg is also done for a variety of other reasons. A school may have a stud lefty attackman in the 21’ class. If they have another lined up for the 22’ class, if they can get him to PG and become a 23’ it will benefit both parties ( the player will have two years on campus without the 2021 player and the team will have a stud lefty attackman for 6 years instead of 5.

PG isn't all about recruiting since lax is a dead end sport. Some kids need to get their head together and grow up, grades, physically, socially, etc.

Many PGs already have a commitment and have agreed to reclass for the college to accept them.

To clarify for some, if you repeat your 11th grade year and declare that going into the summer then that is your primary recruiting summer because now you’re effectively a Sophomore since you’ll be starting your Jr year “again” September 1st when college coaches can officially contact the kids.

Most kids repeat before going to prep school and enter in the 9th grade, do 9th grade in public school and then repeat 9th grade at prep school. For all considering, there is a big academic step up at these schools. First question coaches ask: Send me your transcript..

Brunswick dropped their schedule and it is loaded. I'm really hoping that this is going to be a normal season for prep kids.

The downside of Brunswick's schedule is that 20 of their players wont see the field all season - there's no easy game. Last year the starters couldn't put the game away (most of the season) so by default the subs never played, it was a long season for many!

Unfortunately, that's the reality for most. Good teams playing other good teams means tough close games and bench players sit.

That is why, unless you are 90% certain you are going to be an ACC/IVY/B10 player, you should question the notion of going to Brunswick, AOF, Salisbury, Deerfield,Taft, Lawrenceville. These schools over recruit crazily. Coach will text you a lot when applying as a 9th grader, but you are not alone and each year there will be 5-9 PGs added who are already committed to the above mentioned programs.

And most kids/parents will overrate their talent. These will be kids that are really, really good and would be top players on their public school teams. However, they might sit on the bench at the above mentioned schools for at least 3 and maybe 4 yrs.

For nearly all kids who are great (but not elite) players, choose other schools that play at a similar level of competition, but you’ll see the field. Schools like Hotchkiss, Choate, Loomis, Andover, Exeter, Berkshire, Westminster, others.

When are tryouts?

is there any benefit at all to going to AOF, Salisbury, Brunswick, Lawrenceville Taft etc...? It seems like although your child won't play much till junior maybe senior year , that kids still get recruited? why do these schools recruit so heavily if they are not intending on playing your kid? are college coaches even watching HS lacrosse anymore?

D day for these schools no comments?

It appears so far our fears have been put to rest and the Founders and ISL will have normal lacrosse season and Founders will even have there first post season championship! Good luck to all.

Way too early ranking for NEPSAC West Div I

1. Brunswick
2. Deerfield
3. Taft
4. Salisbury
5. Avon Old Farms
6. Trinity-Pawling
7. Westminster
8. Loomis- Chaffee
9. Berkshire
10.Choate

Feel free to tear it up and start over but let's get some dialogue going. If we get enough requests we can start Div II-III rankings as well.

Does anyone know what school is usually the top in NEPSAC Div 2?

I think Deerfield is going to be down a few notches and Salisbury up a few. Avon and TP will battle for that spot with Avon having a chance to move up a spot or two. Cant speak to 7-10 but I believe the top 6 in terms of teams is 100% correct. However as for Founders League playoffs it is my understanding that Brunswick, Deerfield and Salisbury are not eligible so that is why they go to Prep Nationals with Lawrenceville. FL playoffs is top 4 so it will be Taft, Avon, TP and someone!

I believe the Gunnery is at the top.

where is Hotchkiss ?

The amount of time it took you to type your post, you could have googled the address.

Civil response would be, The Hotchkiss School is a private school in Lakeville, Ct.

Agreed and a more civil response would be - oops I forget them in the top 10 or I have them outside the top 10. In fact, the question probably wasn't about address but the ranking so the sarcastic unhelpful response re: google the address was even less helpful. I would have them definitely above Berkshire and Choate. So top 10.

They are north of Kent, West of Salisbury, and east of Albany Academy.

I’ll bite on trying to guess a division 2/3 though I don’t know most of the schools or even if these are the right teams in the division (or does anyone know anything about these teams)

1. Brunswick 2nd team
2. St. Luke’s
3. Gunnery
4. Canterbury
5. Cheshire Academy
6. Hopkins School
7. Rye Country Day
8. King
9. Williston Northampton
10. Suffield Academy
11. Wilbraham and Monson academy
12. Greenwich Country Day
13. Hamden Hall
14. Greens Farms Academy
15. Millbrook
16. Kingswood Oxford
17. South Kent
18. Wooster School

There is literally zero analysis - I’m just throwing a list out there as everyone probably only cares about Division 1 but there has to be someone smart out there that knows something about these teams.

I believe the top 5 are:
Gunnery
Brunswick
Rye
Cheshire
Suffield

Brunswick 2nd team? what is that

I think it’s their varsity B or JV

We heard from our coach that FL tournament will NOT include Salisbury, Deerfield, and Brunswick. So Taft, Avon, Trinity-Pawling sounds right for top 3 or at least at this juncture it does.

We heard the same from our coach. But it makes sense since neither Salisbury, Brunswick or Deerfield are in the Founders league.
Other than the teams playing and the dates we haven’t heard much about the end of season tourney/playoffs. Anybody have additional details?

I heard from 3 different players on 2 different teams that Hotchkiss looked very good in Arizona during Spring Break with Trilogy.

Same. Just dates at this point. I assume win and move on but it should take more than 2 wins so who knows.

whats a normal # of Pg's at schools like Taft, TP, Hotchkiss, etcc?

5

Correct so they made up their own tournament and added Lville. Everyone needs a trophy I guess.

Anyone who can beat Brunswick or Lawrenceville this year will EARN a trophy. New England West 1 is the League of importance, not the Founders League. Football abandoned the FL and it's irrelevant now.

In New England who is beating Brunswick? Lawrenceville is in NJ, not NE 1 West or FL.

FL is not irrelevant as long as Taft, AOF, and TP are in it. If they ever leave then its a mess.

How about a NEPSAC lacrosse tourney similar to what they do with basketball? Designate class levels like basketball does and lets see who is the best.

Week 1 way too early Rankings NEW 1

1. Brunswick
2. Deerfield
3. Taft
4. Salisbury
5. AOF
5. Trinity-Pawling
7. Hotchkiss
8. Loomis
9. Berkshire
10.Choate

Not much changed week 1 as everyone lost out of league games except Brunswick and Trinity-Pawling. Feel free to debate or ridicule.

Anybody have color from Choate’s scrimmage with Fairfield Prep this past weekend?

I'd put Canterbury in the top 5 maybe top 2-3 in DII-III.

Does anybody have any scores from today?

Brunswick 14 - Deerfield 4
Salisbury 10 - Loomis Chaffe 6
Taft 17 - NAPS 12
Hill School 10 - AOF 9
Choate won

TP beat Tabor(MA) 12-11

Week 2 Rankings

1. Brunswick
2. Taft
3. Salisbury
4. Trinity-Pawling
5. Deerfield
6. Loomis- Chaffee
7. Avon Old Farms
8. Hotchkiss
9.Westminster
10. Berkshire

NE West II-III
1. "Wick B
2. Canterbury
3. Millbrook


Interesting week. Is Loomis this good or has Salisbury taken a step back or just a bad weekend? Deerfield losing by a 10 spot to 'Wick hurts a lot. TP probably a little high but hey they are 2-0 vs. MA teams and that's a decent start but a tough road tilt this week at Loomis. Avon will right the shop I'm sure just not used to seeing them 0-3 though very tough opponents. Remember these are IMO rankings and may change greatly from week to week. As always let the debates begin.

Here's my poor attempt at a ranking and I can't disagree with any of the ones posted so far. There has been some chatter about New England Division 2 and 3 so this is a list of teams with their records for Division 1, 2 and 3. It includes scrimmages and maybe shouldn’t…

Does anyone know the best place to get scores besides the school website and Inside Lacrosse. Maxpreps is not usually accurate or uptodate as anyone can enter a score.

I’ll try to update the records every Monday. We should know more after this week

Division 1

1.Brunswick (2-0) - big wins
2. Taft (2-0)
3. Deerfield (1-1) - large loss
4. Salisbury (1-1) - loss was a scrimmage
5. Trinity Pawling (2-0)
6. Avon Old Farms (0-4) - some of these losses were scrimmages and the other ones were close so they may be better than their recrod
7. Loomis Chaffee (0-2)
8. Westminster (2-2)
9. Hotchkiss (1-0) - win against Andover
10. Choate (2-0) - cant get a sense of close wins against Brewster and Pomfret
11. Berkshire School
12. Kent School (0-1)
13. Northfield Mount Hermon (0-3) - their scrimmages and loss against Westminster were not close


Division 2:

1. Brunswick B (not their JV):
2. Albany Academies (1-2) - beat millbrook but it was just a scrimmage. Scrimmage to Salisbury was not a blowout either
3. Millbrook (0-1) - lost to Albany in a scrimmage
4. Gunnery
5. Canterbury
6. Wilbraham and Monson
7. Williston
8. St Lukes
9. Suffield Academy
10. Rye Country Day School
11. King School
12. Cheshire Academy (0-1) - crushed by millbrook
13. Greens Farms Academy (1-0) - I know nothing about Springfield whom they beat
14. Hopkins School
15. Greenwich Country Day School
16. Kingswood Oxford
17. Hamden Hall

Division 3:

1. Wooster
2. Harvey
3. Hoosac
4. Forman
5. Storm King
6. Marvelwood

Canterbury crushed King School 12-0.

Ah
Good to know. Thanks. I will add it to the database. I knew Canterbury was going to be decent but I didn't know anything about King

why include scrimmages? do they even keep score? They aren't played like real games even if they are set up that way.

I agree scrimmages are irrelevant. My son plays for Brunswick and in scrimmages he starts and then plays one or two quarters, that's it. Then the subs go in - no one should be interpreting anything from scrimmages.

Well to be honest I can’t tell from inside lacrosse what’s a scrimmage and what wasn’t. And they are also only being used for the first week of play to get a gauge where they might stand because otherwise there is zero data otherwise and then you are left with me and my dense self trying to figure out a ranking. But don’t worry, scrimmages will be gone from the rankings because hopefully we will have a weeks worth of data to use.

IMO Rankings

1. Brunswick
2. Salisbury
3. Taft
4. Hotchkiss
5. Loomis
6. Trinity-Pawling
7. Deerfield
8. AOF
9. .Choate
10. Berkshire.

Jumbled this week after top 3. . Hotchkiss, Loomis both had good weeks. TP, Deerfield so-so last week. AOF looks to right ship this week. Choate is good can jump up soon. I just need to see them play stronger competition. Also seems some real talent is getting down into DII schools like Gunn, Canterbury, Pomfret. Let the debates begin!

New rankings for Division 1 - 2 - 3

It is a little easier with some data. This is rankings as of today, not projected rankings so I am sure there will be a lot of movement. Feel free to disagree because this is just my data; others may have more info. Again, looking for someone to wow me with some Division 2-3 knowledge. I can't disagree with the previous post either - I think that person may have more insight into potential but I am using current data. Everyone is right!!

TW(LW) School Record Comments
Division 1
1 (1) Brunswick (4-0) not even close games
2 (2) Taft (4-0) beat Andover
3 (4) Salisbury (3-0)
4 (3) Deerfield (3-1) lost Bwick
5 (9) Hotchkiss (3-0) Easily beat andover and Westy
6 (6) Avon Old Farms (2-4) Beat Belmont
7 (10) Choate (4-0) Havent played anyone tough yet
8 (7) Loomis Chaffee (1-2) Beat TP
9 (5) Trinity Pawling (3-1) loss to loomis, no huge wins
10 (11) Berkshire (1-2)
11 (8) Westminster (2-3) Losses to Hotchkiss and Deerfield
12 (13) Northfield Mt.Herm (0-4)
13 (12) Kent (0-4)


Division 2
1 (3) Millbrook (1-2) top 3 have no common opponents yet
2 (4) Gunnery (2-1) top 3 have no common opponents yet
3 (6) Wilbraham&Mons (2-0) top 3 have no common opponents yet
4 (2) Albany Academies (1-2) big loss to Wilbraham
5 (5) Canterbury (2-1) no significant wins yet
6 (7) Williston (1-2) beat cheshire
7 (12) Cheshire Acad (1-2) beat brunwick, losses to Williston and Millbrook
8 (1) BrunswickB(notJV)(0-2) losses to gunnery and cheshire
9 (13) Greens Farms Ac (1-0) beat KO handily
10 (10) Rye Country Day (0-0)
11 (15) Greenwich CD (1-0) beat hopkins by 1
12 (14) Hopkins School (2-1) beat st lukes, loss to GCDS
13 (8) St Lukes (0-1) loss to hopkins by 1
14 (11) King School (1-1) beat suffield, shutout by Canterbury
15 (9) Suffield Academy (0-2) losses to King and Worcester
16 (16) Kingswood-Oxford (0-2) games not close
17 (17) Hamden Hall (1-2) getting blown out

Division 3
1 (1) Wooster (2-1)
2 (2) Harvey (1-1) beat forman
3 (3) Hoosac (0-0)
4 (4) Forman (0-1) loss to forman
5 (5) Storm King (0-0)
6 (6) Marvelwood (0-0)
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TP beat Tabor Academy who is ranked top 25 in country in data rankings. Thats a big win.

For NENG D1 schools ranked 2 - 7, you should think about reordering based on performance against common opponents. Brunswick is in its own world; based on common opponents and records, then I'd prioritize Hotchkiss, Salisbury, Taft, Deerfield, AOF in that order. Taft and Deerfield are good but not as ominous as past seasons. AOF rough start, but suspect they'll rebound. Salisbury has a lot of talent, but performance to-date is underwhelming. Hotchkiss has all of these teams over the next few weeks. If they can get 3 wins on this group, then we'll know they are legit. Repeat, Brunswick is a different category of beast.

Hotchkiss has a chance to prove themselves in the next few weeks. I like what they are doing there but Like I said I’m not basing the rankings on projections. It’s what they are doing up to now. But that’s just my rankings.

4.17.22 D1-D3 rankings

D1: Not much movement, some of the big boys still need to play each other. Brunwsick's world for not. Taft, Salisbury, Deerfield, Hotchkiss can all be interchangeable as the next Tier. I don't think any of the others are going to be contenders. NMH and Kent should consider be relegated to D2

D2: GFA and GCDS with the biggest movement

D3: added Masters School - hard to find any scores for this division

As always, looking for more D2/D3 experts and this is just opinion looking to stimulate discussion

Current Last Week School Record Comments

Division 1
1 1 Brunswick (6-0) wins over Lville and Seton Hall
2 2 Taft (5-0) convincing win over Westy, need more conference games
3 3 Salisbury (5-0) wins over TP and a close one to AOF
4 5 Hotchkiss (4-0) wins are slightly more convincing than Deerfield
5 4 Deerfield (4-1) wins a close one vs Choate
6 6 Avon Old Farms (3-5) can one benefit from a close loss to Salisbury
7 7 Choate (4-2) 2 losses in a row albeit close
8 9 Trinity Pawling (4-2) good early win vs Tabor, nothing else convincing
9 8 Loomis Chaffee (3-3) only good win is vs TP and losses not close
10 11 Westminster (3-4) Needed that choate win to stay relevant
11 10 Berkshire (1-4) 4 straight losses
12 12 Northfield Mount Hermon (0-9) should be relegated - promote Wilbraham, Millbrook
13 13 Kent (0-7) 2 losses to 2 division 2 team Millbrook and Albany


Division 2
1 1 Millbrook (4-2) beat kent 18-5
2 3 Wilbraham & Monson (3-1) wins are not close, loss to promfret
3 2 Gunnery (3-1) no big convincing wins to take the top spot
4 4 Albany Academies (2-3) also handled kent easily 16-5, hard early schedule
5 5 Canterbury (4-1) potential sleeper but schedule has been lower division 2
6 9 Greens Farms Academy (3-0) beat brunswick B
7 11 Greenwich Country Day (3-0) no problem with St Lukes 24-8
8 6 Williston 2-4) beat cheshire
9 7 Cheshire Academy (2-3) losses to cheshire and wilbraham
10 8 Brunswick B (not JV) (0-3) still no wins, benefit of the doubt for previous years
11 12 Hopkins School (3-2) could easily be 1-4 or 5-0 with 2 overtime losses, 4-1 goal games
12 10 Rye Country Day (2-1) no special wins vs Fieldston and KO
13 14 King School (1-1) no convincing wins
14 13 St Lukes (0-1) big loss to GCDS 8-24
15 15 Suffield Academy (0-4) GF-GA 24-51
16 16 Kingswood-Oxford (0-4) GF-GA 26-55
17 17 Hamden Hall (1-4) GF-GA 25-71

Division 3
1 1 Wooster (2-2) beat masters and williams
2 2 Harvey (2-1) beat forman and marvelwood
3 3 Hoosac (0-1) loss to dublin school
4 NR Masters (0-1)
5 4 Forman (0-1) loss to harvey
6 5 Storm King (0-0)
7 6 Marvelwood (0-3) GF-GA 6-42

Does anyone on here track girls Prep?

"data rankings?"

The poster may have been referring to Inside lacrosse rankings. I don’t know how accurate IL rankings are as I prefer US Club Lax algorithm which is the same as the NCAA.

Sorry. Wish I could help you. Paucity of data sources to draw meaningful conclusions. I’m sure there’s something out there

IMO Ranking D1

1. Brunswick
2, Taft
3. Salisbury
4. Deerfield
5. Avon Old Farms
6. Hotchkiss
7. Trinity-Pawling
8. Loomis
9. Choate
10. Westminster
11. Berkshire
12. Kent
13. Northfield Mt Hermon

Brunswick 1 as if there was a doubt. Taft strong #2 then Salisbury and Deerfield in are close. Avon continues to move up as Hotchkiss came back to earth a little. TP sort of in limbo floating along as is Loomis. Choate fading and Westy loss to TO didnt hep them. Only news in bottom 3 is Kent out of cellar.

D2
1. Gunn
2. Millbrook
3. Canterbury

Not so scientific rankings for 4.25.2022

D1 - I can't really agree with all of the rankings from the person above though they may have better data. However, I can't have Taft second after losing to Deerfield. I could see Hotchkiss being 6 with a huge loss and no big wins but AOF has no wins of major consequence either. I think Kent and MNH are both bad but Kent isn't even close to a win and NMH has 3 wins. Nonetheless, the shuffling continues with Deerfield beating Taft but still no one touching 'Wick as they easily handled Hotchkiss and has beaten Hill and Taft. The next 4 teams are bunched together and interchangeable even with a Taft loss. The rest are not contenders from AOF down. AOF and TP need quality wins. Loomis and Choate are uneven. Westy moving into the relegated status. NMH and Kent do not play each other - we need a game between them to determine the bottom of the barrel

D2 - Also can't agree with the above person rankings for D2. Millbrook was not even close to Canterbury so Millbrook which fell to 4. The top 3 are all interchangeable. I think Gunnery will be the best team but based on results I have Wilbraham first but Canterbury remains a potential sleeper. Williston may be better than their record indicates but not a contender. St Lukes beats Rye Country Day in a close one. Bottom 3 teams fighting to be last though I think Suffield is better than KO and HH

D3 - I can't find any scores. I think Wooster is probably the best team

Current Last Week School Record Comments


Division 1
1 1 Brunswick (9-0) taft hilll hotchkiss. 'Nuff said
2 4 Hotchkiss (5-1) no huge wins, needed a closer game against 'wick
3 5 Deerfield (6-1) 5 in a row with a big win over taft
4 3 Salisbury (6-1) close loss to L'Ville
5 2 Taft (5-2) 2 losses in a row but the deerfield moves them down
6 6 Avon Old Farms (5-5) 2 in row.
7 8 Trinity Pawling (5-3) good early win vs Tabor, nothing else convincing
8 9 Loomis Chaffee (4-4) close win Berkshire, close loss AOF
9 7 Choate (4-3) 3 losses in a row. Not close against AOF
10 10 Westminster (3-6) 3 losses in a row
11 11 Berkshire (3-5) no major wins
12 12 Northfield Mount Hermon (3-10) 3 in a row!!! Albeit against not very good teams
13 13 Kent (0-9) not sure why they dont play NMH to determine the bottom


Division 2
1 2 Wilbraham & Monson (5-1) easy schedule so far
2 3 Gunnery (5-1) also an easier schedule as well
3 5 Canterbury (6-2) needed the millbrook win to confirm they are legit
4 1 Millbrook (4-3) big loss to Canterbury 5-11
5 4 Albany Academies (3-4) loss to HIll, beat a bad cushing team
6 8 Williston (3-4) beat hopkins handily
7 7 Greenwich Country Day (3-1) no problem with St Lukes 24-8, loss to canterbury
8 6 Greens Farms Academy (5-0) not a hard schedule so far
9 9 Cheshire Academy (3-4) uneven. Big loss to gunnery
10 10 Brunswick B (not JV) (1-3) beat Hopkins in a close won
11 11 Hopkins School (3-4) 2 OT losses, but got beat bad by Williston
12 13 King School (3-1) no convincing wins
13 14 St Lukes (2-2) close win vs rye country day
14 12 Rye Country Day (2-3) 3 losses in a row
15 15 Suffield Academy (0-5) GF-GA 30-67, close loss to hopkins
16 16 Kingswood-Oxford (0-4) GF-GA 32-64
17 17 Hamden Hall (1-4) GF-GA 29-90

Division 3
1 1 Wooster (3-2) beat Forman
2 2 Harvey (3-2) beat masters
3 5 Forman (1-3) loss to Woositer
4 3 Hoosac (0-1) loss to dublin school
5 6 Storm King (0-0)
6 4 Masters (0-2)
7 7 Marvelwood (0-3) GF-GA 6-42

5.2.22 Not so serious rankings

Division 1 - a little movement below "Wick. Deerfield continues to play strong. Taft moves up with a strong win against Hotchkiss which is coming back to earth. Their game against AOF will determine the best of the middle teams. I am not sure Berkshire is the 8th team but they had a huge win against TP who is down as well as Choate. Poor Kent isnt even close to a win and has lost against 3 Division 2 teams.

Division 2 - Wilbraham remains the top team. Canterbury probably would have moved into that spot with their win over Gunnery (which falls to 3) but they lost to Albany Academies (by 1). King making a push with 6 wins in a row. Cheshire Acdemy suppose to be in the upper Div 2 tier but very uneven winning close games against lower D2 teams and not coming close against upper D2 teams keeps them with the lower D2 teams

Division 3 - Still having trouble getting scores but Harvey win over Wooster moves them up to #1 spot

Current - Last Week - School - (Record) - Comments

Division 1
1 1 Brunswick (10-0) Darien and Salisbury games are looming
2 3 Deerfield (8-1) loomis and Andover wins
3 5 Taft (7-2) big win againast Hotchkiss moves them over Salisbury
4 4 Salisbury (6-1) no games this week
5 2 Hotchkiss (6-2) coming down to earth going 1-2 in last 3 and big Taft loss
6 6 Avon Old Farms (7-5) 4 in a row but no huge win.. Hkiss game determine 5-6 spots
7 8 Loomis Chaffee (5-5) Loss to deerfield, win against Exeter
8 11 Berkshire (5-5) 3 in a row with a win over TP leaps them over Choate
9 7 Trinity Pawling (5-5) free fallin going 1-3 in last 4, held Wick to 8
10 9 Choate (4-4) 4 losses in a row
11 10 Westminster (3-7) 4 losses in a row
12 12 Northfield Mount Hermon (3-11) loss to St Paul and a Div 2 team Albany Acadmies
13 13 Kent (0-12) Losses not close with a loss to Div 2 Gunnery


Division 2
1 1 Wilbraham & Monson (7-1) more clear #1 with other teams losing and millbrook win
2 3 Canterbury (7-3) close loss to Albany and then huge win over Gunnery
3 2 Gunnery (7-2) loss to Canterbury hurts
4 4 Millbrook (4-4) 2 losses in a row, close loss to Wilbraham
5 5 Albany Academies (5-4) big win to Cbury huge. Loss to Mbrook hurts
6 6 Williston (3-6) losses to Berkshire and Pomfret
7 8 Greens Farms Academy (7-0) no losses yet moves them up, easy schedule though
8 12 King School (6-1) 6 wins in a row vaults them 4 spots
9 7 Greenwich Country Day (5-2) big loss to King
10 9 Cheshire Academy (3-4) wins against teams theys should win are close. Losses are big
11 10 Brunswick B (not JV) (2-3) no huge wins
12 11 Hopkins School (3-6) tough stretch against upper Div 2 team
13 13 St Lukes (3-3) close win against KO, loss to GFA
14 14 Rye Country Day (3-6) losses to Hackley, GCDS, King
15 15 Suffield Academy (0-7) close loss to Cheshire Academy
16 16 Kingswood-Oxford (0-7) GF-GA 46-87
17 17 Hamden Hall (1-8) GF-GA 44-142, only win is against Div 3 team

Division 3
1 2 Harvey (4-3) big win against Wooster
2 1 Wooster (3-5) 1-4 in last 5
3 3 Forman (1-4) loss to Woositer
4 4 Hoosac (0-1) loss to dublin school
5 5 Storm King (0-0)
6 6 Masters (0-2)
7 7 Marvelwood (0-3) GF-GA 6-42[u][/u]

I just want to say thank you and that I appreciate the work you put into these rankings and the underlying data.

You are quite welcome! To be honest, so little is posted on this forum anymore that I thought it was dead. I post mostly to generate any discussion

As for the data, its mostly just simple data with a little of eye test. I probably should have posted the methods before but for tiebreakers it is usually 3 thing (in order):

1) head to head
2) SOS
3) margins of victory

Future potential does not factor in nor does reputation. Thanks again and hope you are having a good lax season

Not so accurate rankings 5.9.22

Division 1 - Close win for 'Wick after jumping up on Darien. Salisbury-Wick game will determine the best though I still think spots 2-4 are still all interchangeable. AOF making a claim for being the best team in the middle of the pack as they beat Hotchkiss whose dream season is turning into a nightmare. TP vs Choate will determine the lower half of the pack. Berkshire has a big win against TP and then loses 3 in a row. Their game against Westy will determine the best of the bottom of the league. NMH and Kent losing to D2 teams

Division 2 - Wilbraham win over Canterbury was close but settles who's on first. Wilbraham-Gunnery game for D2 bragging right is upcoming with a chance for Gunnery to leapfrog both teams for the #1 spot. Cheshire moves back up with their win against an undefeated GFA team. King has won 7 in a row but has yet to play the hardest part of their schedule against Hopkins and GFA. The Hopkins game will determine 3rd-4th in the FAA playoff seedings. Suffield vs KO will determine best of the bottom

Division 3 - added 3 more teams: WIlliams School who appears to be the dominant team, Woodhall and a Co-Ed Darrow team. Having trouble getting scores

Current Last Week School Record Comments

Division 1

1 1 Brunswick (12-0) Close Darien win after jumping out early. AOF a potential trap game before Salisbury
2 2 Deerfield (9-2) Rebound from Lville loss with a Hotchkiss win
3 3 Taft (9-2) Hi'kiss win not as impressive with them faltering. No problem against TP
4 4 Salisbury (10-1) Last 3 games against Taft, Wick and Deerfield is brutal
5 6 Avon Old Farms (9-5) Big winb against H'kiss, close win against TP
6 5 Hotchkiss (6-5) 4 losses in a row has taken off some of the luster of a good season, esp loss to AOF
7 7 Loomis Chaffee (6-8) Uneven with loss to Westy but beats an average Andover
8 9 Trinity Pawling (6-7) Only win in the last 5 is against D2 Millbrook
9 10 Choate (5-5) Lost 5 in a row and beats Berkshire. Big match against TP
10 11 Westminster (5-9) Beats D2 Millbrook by one but beats Loomis 13-8
11 8 Berkshire (6-8) Beast TP then lays an egg ainst Gunnery, Taft and Choate
12 12 Northfield Mount Hermon (3-14) After 3 straight wins, they have lost 4 in a row including to D2 Albany Academies
13 13 Kent (0-14) GF-GA 60-248


Division 2

1 1 Wilbraham & Monson (9-1) Huge wins against Canterbury and Cushing makes them the clear #1 with Gunnery looming
2 2 Canterbury (9-4) Close loss against Wilbraham
3 3 Gunnery (9-3) Loss to Pomfret doesnt change their standing
4 4 Millbrook (5-6) 4 losses in a row against good teams. Then they beat a bad Suffield team
5 5 Albany Academies (5-5) Beating a D1 NMH is not a big deal. Lost to Berkshire
6 6 Williston (4-7) Up and down with a close loss to C'bury
7 10 Cheshire Academy (3-4) Beats GFA to move up
8 7 Greens Farms Academy (8-1) Loss to Cheshire Academy hurts their chance to move into the upper tier
9 8 King School (7-1) 7 wins in a row
10 9 Greenwich Country Day (6-2) big loss to King but 3 wins in a row since
11 11 Brunswick B (not JV) (2-3) no scores from the pat 2 weeks
12 12 Hopkins School (4-7) big win against Rye clinches a playoff sopt for them
13 13 St Lukes (4-4) 2 losses in a row leaves them on the outside looking in for playoffs
14 14 Rye Country Day (3-8) Lost 5 in a row
15 15 Suffield Academy (0-9) still no wins
16 16 Kingswood-Oxford (1-9) Finally gets a win by beating HH
17 17 Hamden Hall (1-10) GF-GA 57-173, only win is against Div 3 team

Division 3

1 NR Williams School (8-3) Not really in the league but I added them because they play a lot of the same teams
2 1 Harvey (4-3) beats Wooster and Forman and loses to Williams
3 4 Hoosac (2-1) loss to dublin school
4 2 Wooster (3-5) Loss to Williams
5 3 Forman (1-6) loss to Wooster and Williams
6 6 Masters (1-2)
8 5 Storm King (0-3) Losses are not close
8 7 Marvelwood (1-3) Beat Darrow
9 NR Darrow (2-1) Co-Ed team? Beat Woodhall 2x
10 NR Woodhall (0-3) 2 losses to Darrow

Not so accurate Div 1-2-3 rankings 5.16.22

D1 - Well I have no idea who is the best team in the area any more for D1. Congrats to Salisbury for beating Wick in a close one. Im not sure Wick still isnt the best team but Salisbury has earned the nod for sure. And yes I am aware that Taft beat Salisbury and Deerfield beat Taft. It looks like the top 4 are interchangeable so you could argue any sort of flip-flopping. I do wish there was a playoff system in place to determine the champ but we will have to settle for Deerfield vs Salisbury. As for the next 2Tiers, no change

D2 - Wilbraham has solidified it's #1 ranking with a win against Gunnery. In the lower half, chaos ensues as Hopkins beats and undefeated King, King then beats an undefeated GFA and GCDS may have lost their best player to injury. It is those 4 teams that have qualified for the FAA semifinals.

D3 - Williams isn't really in the division but plays a lot of similar teams and are clearly the best one. Hoosac could be that team but they do not post their scores. Wooster redeems some bad losses with wins against Harvey and Forman. Marvelwood moving up. And kudos to Darrow for fielding a Co-Ed team and getting some W's.

Current Last Week School Record Comments
Division 1
1 4 Salisbury (11-2) Huge win against Wick moves them up
2 1 Brunswick (13-1) Still not sure they are not the best in the area but a loss is a loss. Sounds like it was amazing
3 2 Deerfield (11-2) Close win against AOF doesn't help
4 3 Taft (12-2) Close win against Loomis didn't help
5 5 Avon Old Farms (9-7) 2 losses in a row albeit to Deerfield and Wick
6 6 Hotchkiss (8-5) 2 wins: 1 against a D2 and the other against a mediocre Choate
7 7 Loomis Chaffee (7-9) An upset against Taft could have helped
8 8 Trinity Pawling (7-7) 2-5 in last 6 with a close win against Choate and close loss to AOF
9 9 Choate (5-6) Loss to TP puts them in the bottom but they are the best of the bottom
10 11 Berkshire (7-8) 3 more games, 2 aganist D2 wont help their standing. They have to beat Andover
11 10 Westminster (6-10) Beat Kent
12 12 Northfield Mount Hermon (4-15) Beat Winchendon
13 13 Kent (0-16) GF-GA 71-287


Division 2
1 1 Wilbraham & Monson (10-1) Huge 1 goal win against Gunnery soldifies their #1 spot
2 2 Canterbury (11-4) No problem against Cheshire ACademy and big win against Portsmouth Abbey
3 3 Gunnery (11-4) Close loss to Wilbraham. Beat Millbrook
4 4 Millbrook (5-7) Losst 5 out of 6 though 2 were to D1 and 3 were to the teams above them
5 5 Albany Academies (5-6) No shame in losing to Hotchkiss and Berkshire
6 6 Williston (4-8) Losses to Loomis and Canterbury
7 7 Cheshire Academy (7-5) Loss to Canterbury and 1-2 goal games in their last 3 wins against lower D2 teams
8 9 King School (9-2) 7 wins in a row
9 8 Greens Farms Academy (8-2) Huge loss to King ruins their undefeated conference bid
9 12 Hopkins School (6-7) On a roll beating a previously undefeated King. Has played a brutal schedule
10 10 Greenwich Country Day (6-3) Loss to GFA. May have lost their best player to injury sadly
12 11 Brunswick B (not JV) (2-3) no scores from the past 3 weeks
13 13 St Lukes (4-6) 3 losses in a row - out of the playoffs
14 14 Rye Country Day (4-9) Beat Hamden Hall
15 15 Suffield Academy (2-9) 2 in a row for them albeit against bad teams
16 16 Kingswood-Oxford (2-10) Wins against HH and a D3 team
17 17 Hamden Hall (1-13) GF-GA 75-213, only win is against Div 3 team

Division 3
1 1 Williams School (8-4) Not really in the league but I added them because they play a lot of the same teams
2 4 Wooster (5-6) beat harvey and Forman
3 3 Hoosac (4-2) Im not sure they arent the best team but I cant find their score. Beat Forman
4 2 Harvey (6-6) loss to Wooster
5 8 Marvelwood (6-4) Beat Darrow
6 6 Masters (1-2) Lost to harvey and wooster. Cant find scores
7 5 Forman (1-7) lost 6 in a row
8 9 Darrow (3-2) Co-Ed team? Beat Woodhall 2x and storm king
9 8 Storm King (0-6) GF 13 GA 66
10 10 Woodhall (0-5) 2 losses to Darrow

Final IMO Rankings 2021-2022
1. Brunswick
2. Salisbury
3. Taft
4. Deerfield
5. Avon Old Farms
6. Hotchkiss
7. Trinity-Pawling
8. Loomis
9. Choate
10. Berkshire
11.Westminster
12.Northfield Mount Hermon
13. Kent

'Wick evened score vs Salisbury. Taft a little stronger season than Deerfield. AOF came on strong after slow start. Hotchkiss faded strong start and TP was strongest of lower bracket despite loss to Loomis.

Season is about to start, do these end of season rankings translate to pre season 2023?
Wick has lost a lot of players but not nearly as many as Salisbury, Taft or Deerfield…..looking at what losing players meant for St Johns out of DC (1-2) you have to wonder how well these top 4 will fair. Is the pack closer than ever?

Way too early Division 1-2-3 Rankings

Disclaimer: I don't have any inside information; just trying to consolidate some sort of ranking for all 3 NE-West Divisions as I tried to do last year. Feel free to disagree as you are probably more correct than me.

No records are listed yet because I am assuming many of these were scrimmages - difficult to tell. It will flesh out as the season goes on

Current Last Week School Record Comments
Division 1
1 Brunswick Win vs St Sebastian (14-6)
2 Taft
3 Salisbury
4 Avon Old Farms Beat U of Tampa JV
5 Deerfield Win vs highland park, TX (11-7) and Nobles (11-7)
6 Trinity Pawling Win vs IMG
7 Loomis Win vs highland park, TX (6-5)
8 Hotchkiss
9 Choate
10 Westminster
11 Berkshire Beat Brophy Prep, AZ 14-3
12 Northfield Mount Hermon
13 Kent


Division 2
1 Wilbraham & Monson
2 Canterbury
3 Gunnery
4 Millbrook Win vs GFA (12-3)
5 Albany Academies
6 Williston
7 Cheshire Academy
8 Greens Farms Academy Loss to Millbrook (3-12)
9 King School
9 Greenwich Country Day
10 Brunswick B (not JV)
12 St Lukes
13 Suffield Academy
14 Rye Country Day
15 Hopkins School
16 Hamden Hall
17 Kingswood Oxford

Division 3
1 Williams School
2 Wooster
3 Hoosac
4 Harvey
5 Marvelwood
6 Masters
7 Forman
8 Darrow
9 Storm King
10 South kent
11 Woodhall

Can only speak for the TP win over IMG that was in fact a game as it has been reported as such. Seems like "Wick vs. St. Sebs was a game as well.

IMG vs TP was a scrimmage. Score has been removed
Just for interest
IMG 13 / Deerfield 8. Scrimmage
IMG. 12 / Taft 11. Scrimmage
IMG 15 / Trinity Pawling 16. OT scrimmage

IMG vs TP was a game, not a scrimmage, not sure where you are getting your info from.

No dog in this fight but Inside Lacrosse does not have this as a game for IMG or TP. I also did not see this listed as a game for TP on their website either. I would imagine that if IMG vs deerfield and taft were scrimmages, TP would also have been a scrimmage.

The not so accurate Division 1-2-3 rankings

Still not enough games to really move teams around so I kind of left them where they were for the most part. Tough to tease out scrimmages vs games. If anyone has any scores, please post.

Current Last Week School Record Comments
Division 1
1 1 Brunswick (3-0) Beat Deerfield (21-10) and Malvern Prep (10-7)
2 3 Salisbury (2-0) Big win over last year champ Nobles (15-8) and Loomis (16-12)
3 2 Taft (1-1) Loss to IMG (11-12)scrimmage. Loss to St Seb (11-15). Beat Navy Prep 20-8
4 4 Avon Old Farms (2-0) Easily handled Army Prep (21-6) and Tabor (16-11)
5 6 Trinity Pawling (0-0) Tied Staples (7-7) scrimmage, Beat IMG scrimmage (16-15)
6 5 Deerfield (2-2) Loss to Belmont (4-6) and IMG (8-13) scrimmage and Brusnwick (10-21)
7 7 Loomis (2-1) Beat Rivers 12-6, Loss to Salisbury
8 8 Hotchkiss (1-0) Beat Andover (14-9)
9 9 Choate (2-0) Beat Brewster (23-8) and Pomfret (19-6)
10 10 Westminster (2-1) Beat Gunnery (13-2) and NMH (14-5), loss to Belmont (3-10)
11 11 Berkshire (2-0) Beat NMH (12-0)
12 12 Northfield Mount Hermon (0-2) Loss to WEsty (5-14) and Berkshire (0-12), beat Kent (11-7)
13 13 Kent (0-1) Loss to Evergreen (1-9) and NMH (7-11)


Division 2
1 1 Wilbraham & Monson (0-0)
2 2 Canterbury (1-0) Beat King (12-3)
3 4 Millbrook (4-0) Beat GCDS 18-3, Cheshire Acad (20-5), Pomfret (12-11), GFA (12-3)
4 3 Gunnery (0-1) Lost to Westminster (2-13)
5 6 Williston (1-0) Beat Cheshire Acad (13-5)
7 7 Cheshire Academy (0-2) Loss to Williston (5-13), Millbrook (5-20)
8 11 Brunswick B (not JV) (1-0) Beat Deerfield B (16-2)
9 8 Greens Farms Academy (0-1) Loss to Millbrook (3-12)
10 9 King School (0-1)) Loss to Canterbury (3-12)
11 10 Greenwich Country Day (0-1) Loss to Millbrook (3-18)
12 12 St Lukes (0-0)
13 13 Suffield Academy (0-0) Loss to East Catholic Sciimmage (12-13)
14 14 Rye Country Day (0-0)
15 15 Hopkins School (0-0) Loss to Amity Scrimmage (4-7) scrimmage
16 16 Hamden Hall (1-0) Loss to Farmington scrimmage (7-15) and Kents HIll (4-5), beat Chauncey hall (11-0)
17 17 Kingswood Oxford (0-0)
56 5 Albany Academies (0-0)

Division 3
1 1 Williams School (0-0)
2 2 Wooster (0-0)
3 3 Hoosac (0-0)
4 4 Harvey (0-0)
5 5 Marvelwood (0-0)
6 6 Masters (0-0)
7 7 Forman (0-0)
8 8 Darrow (0-0)
9 9 Storm King (0-0)
10 10 South kent (0-0)
11 11 Woodhall (0-0)

Not so accurate Division 1-2-3 rankings

Starting to get a sense but still too early to tell. We know who the bad teams are but some teams have had cupcake schedules and others have had incredibly hard schedules. Hotchkiss and Choate are undefeated but has close wins against a very easy schedule whereas Loomis has 2 difficult losses. I didnt give Taft a win which is what they put on their website when Army game was canceled - anyone have any insight but beating Andover 24-4 was a wow! AOF with a close 1 goal loss against BH. In the battle for the bottom NMH beats Kent

I have also divided Division 2 into 2 categories: Div2-West which is mostly boarding and Div-2 FAA which is mostly day schools. Difficult to compare the two divisions which is why I split them up. Millbrook and Brunswick-B made the biggest jumps. Hard to believe that Cheshire Academy lost to the Canterbury-JV squad; they play the varsity later in the year. GFA and King school probably the teams to beat in the FAA

I dont think Division 3 has played much lacrosse. Williams is technically not in the division but they play most the schools and are probably the best team

Current Last Week School Record Comments
Division 1
1 1 Brunswick (5-1) Beat Kent (16-2), loss to Darien (11-12), Beat Loomis (12-6)
2 3 Salisbury (4-0) Beat Millbrook (16-10) and Berkshire (15-11)
3 2 Taft (2-1) Beat Andover(24-4), Interesting they put Army as a win - it was canceled. Not giving them a win
4 4 Avon Old Farms (3-1) Loss to Belmont Hill (5-6), Beat NMH (19-7)
5 6 Deerfield (3-2) Beat berkshire (10-6), Beat Westy (12-7)
6 7 Loomis (2-2) Beat TP (6-2), Loss Wick (6-12)
7 5 Trinity Pawling (1-1) Loss Loomis (2-6), Beat Gunnery (12-2)
8 8 Hotchkiss (3-0) Win Westy (9-8), Beat Millbrook (12-11)
9 9 Choate (4-0) Beat NMH (18-7) and Kent (19-3)
10 10 Westminster (2-3) Loss Hotchkiss (9-8), Loss Deerfield (7-12)
11 11 Berkshire (1-2) Loss Deerfield (6-10) and Salisbury (11-15)
12 12 Northfield Mount Hermon (1-4) Beat Kent (11-7), Loss to Choate (7-18), Loss to AOF (7-19)
13 13 Kent (0-2) Loss to NMH (7-11), Loss to Wick (2-16) and Choate (19-3)


Division 2 West (mostly boarding)
1 1 Wilbraham & Monson (2-0) Beat Hamden Hall (20-6). Beat Albany (12-11)
2 4 Millbrook (4-2) Not a bad loss to Salisbury (10-16) and Hotchkiss (11-12)
3 7 Brunswick B (not JV) (3-0) Beat Gunnery (9-6), Beat Cheshire Acad (14-5)
4 5 Albany Acadamies (1-1) Beat Williston (13-12), Loss Wilbraham (11-12)
5 6 Williston (2-1) Loss to Albany (12-13), Beat Gunnery (13-5)
6 2 Canterbury (2-1) Beat Salsibury B but loss to a 1-3 Pomfret (16-9)
7 3 Gunnery (0-4) Loss to Brunswick B (9-6), loss to williston (5-13), Loss TP (2-12). Hard schedule so far
8 8 Cheshire Academy (0-4) Loss to Brunswick B (5-14), Loss to Canterbury B
9 9 Suffield Academy (0-2) Loss to King (4-8) and Worcester Acad (6-14)

Division 2 - FAA (Day Schools))
1 1 Greens Farms Academy (0-1) Beat KO (16-3)
2 2 King School (1-1) Beat Suffield (8-4)
3 3 Greenwich Country Day (0-1) Loss to Millbrook (3-18)
4 5 Rye Country Day (1-0) beat Long Island Lutheran (10-13)
4 6 Hopkins School (2-0) Beat St Lukes (7-4), Beat Forman (13-3)
5 4 St Lukes (0-0) Loss to Hopkins (4-7)
7 7 Hamden Hall (1-1) Loss to Wilbraham (6-20)
8 8 Kingswood Oxford (0-1) Loss to GFA (3-16)

Division 3
1 1 Williams School (1-0) Beat Wooster (8-3)
2 2 Wooster (0-1) Loss to Williams (3-8)
3 3 Hoosac (0-0)
4 4 Harvey (0-0)
5 5 Marvelwood (0-0)
6 6 Masters (0-0)
7 7 Forman (0-1) Loss to Hopkins (3-13)
8 8 Darrow (0-0)
9 9 Storm King (0-0)
10 10 South kent (0-0)
11 11 Woodhall (0-0)

Not so accurate Division 1-2-3 rankings

D1: Some big movement. Wick with 2 losses. Salisbury and Taft looking good. Choate with the biggest jump.

D2 West: Millbrook moves to the top of the rankings. Brunswick B is an unknown but potentially very good

D2 FAA: some movement as RCDS looking good. GFA falls from the top stop and toss up with GCDS for #2

D3: Harvey beat D2 Hamden

Current Last Week School Record Comments
Division 1
1 2 Salisbury (5-0) Beat TP (9-8) and AOF (14-11)
2 3 Taft (3-1) Beat Hill (15-13), could be in the #1 spot
3 1 Brunswick (6-2) Darien loss to manhasset hurts them a little but so does a loss to LVille (9-11), Beat StJ (17-10)
4 4 Avon Old Farms (4-1) Beat berkshire (16-8), loss to Salisbury (11-14)
5 9 Choate (6-0) Beast westy (18-6), Big win Deerfield (14-13)
6 6 Loomis (3-2) Beat Hotchkiss (13-3)
7 5 Deerfield (3-3) Beat Exeter (15-5), Loss Choate (13-14)
8 7 Trinity Pawling (2-2) Close loss to Salisbury (8-9) brought some new D in this year which is helping, beat Kent 15-6
9 8 Hotchkiss (3-1) Loss Loomis (3-13)
10 11 Berkshire (1-3) Loss AOF (8-16)
11 10 Westminster (2-4) Loss Choate (6-18)
12 12 Northfield Mount Hermon (2-6) loss to Andover (9-14), Beat Bridgton (16-10), Loss to Dexter Southfield 7-18
13 13 Kent (0-7) Loss to Millbrook D2 (5-15), TP (6-15), Albany (7-12)

Division 2 West (mostly boarding)
1 2 Millbrook (6-2) Beat D1 Kent (15-5), Beat Williston (12-7)
2 1 Wilbraham & Monson (3-1) Loss Pomfret (9-10), Beat Cheshire Acad (19-2)
3 3 Brunswick B (not JV) (4-0) Beat GFA (14-8)
4 4 Albany Acadamies (2-1) Beat Kent (12-7)
5 6 Canterbury (5-1) Beat HH (15-0) and Suffield (17-5) and GCDS (12-3)
6 5 Williston (2-2) Loss Millbrook (7-12)
7 7 Gunnery (0-5) Loss to RCDS (6-14)
8 8 Cheshire Academy (1-5) 1st win vs HH (19-9), Loss to Wilby (2-19)
9 9 Suffield Academy (1-3) Loss to Canterbury (5-17), beat Hopkins (11-5)

Division 2 - FAA (Day Schools))
1 4 Rye Country Day (3-0) Beat KO (17-8), Big upset over Gunnery (14-6), Beat Fieldston (13-4)
2 1 Greens Farms Academy (2-2) Loss to Brunswick B (8-14), Beat Hopkins (13-7)
3 3 Greenwich Country Day (2-2) Beat King (11-10) and St Lukes (16-1). Lost to Canterbury (3-12)
4 2 King School (1-2) Loss to GCDS (10-11)
5 5 Hopkins School (2-2) Loss to GFA (7-13) adn Suffield (5-11)
6 6 St Lukes (0-2) Loss to GCDS (1-16)
7 7 Hamden Hall (1-5) Loss to Canterbury (0-15) and Cheshire Acad (9-19) and Harvey (4-11)
8 8 Kingswood Oxford (1-2) Loss to Rye (8-17), Beat Forman (10-1)

Division 3
1 1 Williams School (3-0) Beat Bancroft (12-0) and Forman (11-4)
2 4 Harvey (2-0) Beat Marvelwood (14-2) and D2 HH (11-4)
3 2 Wooster (1-1) Beat Marvelwood (15-0)
4 3 Hoosac (0-1) Loss to Austin Prep (2-19)
5 5 Marvelwood (0-2) Loss Harvey (2-14) and Wooster (0-15)
6 7 Forman (0-3)) Loss to Williams (4-11) and KO (1-10)
7 6 Masters (0-1) Loss to Fieldston (8-9)
8 8 Darrow (0-0)
9 10 South kent (0-0)
10 11 Woodhall (0-0)
11 9 Storm King (0-0) They may not have a team this year

[u]Not so accurate D1-2-3 rankings[/u]

D1: We now have some groupings. Still have the big 3 at the top until someone beats them but I have moved Taft above Salisbury because of their win against 'Wick and a huge loss to Lville by Salisbury. Huge wins by Choate and Loomis have them knocking at the door. Next group are all interchangeable AOF-Deerfield-TP-Hotckiss. And the bottom is still the bottom 4, though Kent should move down to D2-West

D2-West: Huge loss by Millbrook to a winless Gunnery moves them down. Brunswick B not ready to move up to the top spot as they beat up on the D2-FAA and bring some of the Varsity players to help out, or so I have been told. Williston still above CBury due to their close losses with a harder schedule

D2-FAA: GCDS is looking very good. RCDS was in the driver seat but lost to GFA. HH with a win against Hopkins moves them up.

D3: Harvey cements themselves as the team to beat beating Williams. Really only 3 teams in that division that are competitive. If anyone has any scores on the #5-11, that would be great

Current Last Week School Record Comments
Division 1
1 2 Taft (5-1) Win Wick (10-9) and Deerfield (16-12)
2 1 Salisbury (7-1) Win Westy (17-5), Loss Lville (17-5)
3 3 Brunswick (7-3) Loss Taft (9-10), Beat Hotchkiss (13-9)
4 5 Choate (9-0) Beat AOF (13-9), IMG (16-9), Andover (12-7)
5 6 Loomis (5-2) Win Kent (16-0) and AOF (14-6)
6 4 Avon Old Farms (4-4) Loss to Choate (9-13) and Loomis (6-14)
7 7 Deerfield (5-4) Beat TP (15-6), Loss to taft (12-16)
8 8 Trinity Pawling (3-3) Loss Deerfield (6-15), Beat Westy (15-5)
9 9 Hotchkiss (4-3) Beat Berkshire (9-5), Loss to IMG (12-13) and Wick (9-13)
10 10 Berkshire (2-4) Loss Hotchkiss (5-9) and beat Kent (14-1)
11 11 Westminster (2-6) Loss Salisbury (5-17), Loss TP (5-15)
12 12 Northfield Mount Hermon (4-7) Beat Cushing (12-11), Beat Worcester (14-6), loss New Hampton (9-12), Beat Worc Acad (14-6)
13 13 Kent (0-8) Loss Loomis (0-16) and Berkshire (1-14)

Division 2 West (mostly boarding)
1 2 Wilbraham & Monson (5-1) Beat Williston (12-11), Beat Suffield (15-2)
2 1 Millbrook (6-4) Big loss to a winless Gunnery (10-11) but beat Canterbury (13-6)
3 3 Brunswick B (not JV) (6-0) Beat St Lukes (13-1) and Hopkins (15-1)
4 4 Albany Acadamies (3-2) Loss to Everest Academy (11-12), Beat Canterbury (9-4)
5 6 Williston (2-4) Loss to Wilby (11-12), , Loss to Cushing (8-9)
6 5 Canterbury (5-3) Loss to Albany (4-9) and Millbrook (6-13)
7 7 Gunnery (1-5) Upset win over Millbrook (1-5)
8 8 Cheshire Academy (2-6) Loss Gunnery (13-15) and Win KO 11-4
9 9 Suffield Academy (1-4) Loss to GCDS (7-14) and Wilby (15-2)

Division 2 - FAA (Day Schools))
1 3 Greenwich Country Day (3-2) Beat Hopkins (15-3) and Suffield (14-7)
2 2 Greens Farms Academy (4-2) Beat Harvey (13-6) and RCDS (11-9)
3 1 Rye Country Day (4-2) Loss to Hackley (8-10), Beat St Lukes (18-9), Loss to GFA (9-11)
4 4 King School (2-2) Beat Wooster (9-3)
5 7 Hamden Hall (4-5) Beat Forman (11-4) and Williams (9-5) and Hopkins (11-8)
6 5 Hopkins School (2-5) Loss to GCDS (3-15) and Brunswick (1-15) and HH (8-11)
7 6 St Lukes (1-3) Loss to Brunswick B (1-13) and RCDS (9-18) and KO (7-5)
8 8 Kingswood Oxford (1-5) Loss Cheshire Academy (5-11) and St Lukes (5-7)

Division 3
1 4 Harvey (4-1) Loss to GFA (6-13), Beat Masters (16-11), Beat Williams (12-5)
2 1 Williams School (3-2) Loss to HH (5-9) and Harvey (5-12)
3 2 Wooster (2-2) Loss to King (3-9), Beat Forman (7-2)
4 7 Forman (1-5) Loss to HH (4-11), Beat Marvelwood (10-0), Loss Wooster (2-7)
5 8 Darrow (1-0) Beat Woodhall (12-2)
6 3 Hoosac (0-1) Loss to Austin Prep (2-19)
7 6 Masters (0-2) Loss to Harvey (11-16)
8 11 Woodhall (1-1) Loss to Darrow (2-12), Beat Marvelwood (8-7)
9 5 Marvelwood (0-4) Loss to Forman (0-10) and Woodhall (7-8)
10 10 South kent (0-0)
11 9 Storm King (0-0) They may not have a team this year

Avon should not be that high. I watched their last two games and they are so poorly coached. They have so much D1 talent they should be running away from Choate and loomis. They should be a top 10 team in the country but in the 2 games I saw they were basically down 5-10 goals before the opponent started putting in some backups. For the record my boy goes to loomis so I can tell you they thought they had little chance going into the game until they actually saw the film on them.

anywhere to get player stats on new england west lacrosse

AOF has unfortunately fallen and they do have a lot of talent but I would say they are still solidly in the middle of the pack with Deerfield, TP and Hotchkiss which have all had uneven seasons as well. AOF FOGO was hurt 4 games ago against Berkshire so that has also played a role. But I think there is still a lot of lacrosse to be played to determine who is legit as I am very interested in how Choate does against Salisbury and Taft (they dont play 'Wick?) and how Loomis does against Taft (already lost to Wick and Salisbury) with a big end of the year game against Choate. Loomis has looked solid though.

I unfortunately don't. Rarely will a school website post them but many don't even post a roster. I think a lot of information is withheld for gamesmanship MaxPreps may be an option as well but they are so unreliable with their score reporting so I cant imagine the stats are any better.

You are right. Just saw that AOF FOGO missed the past few losses but now appears to be back. Didn’t realize that and now it makes sense. Maybe they aren’t as bad as I thought. He played vs Westminster and won every faceoff that he took. Not that Westy is a great team but what a difference. In the 2 games I watched vs Choate and Loomis they won approx 10 faceoffs combined. Didn’t see the Salisbury loss. Maybe they can save their season. Also saw that yesterday, Choate played a great first 1/2 vs Taft and an upset was possible. They were tied at the half but then lost by 5 or 6 goals. Tafts offense was too good in the second half and their defense shut down Choate. The end of the season should be fun! It’s a shame wick, Salisbury and Deerfield can’t qualify for the founders league playoffs. They should add those teams and have 6 teams qualify vs the 4 four they have now without them. The playoffs would be electric and truly allow to see who is supreme in the northeast. I would even love to see an ISL/Founders League championship for true supremacy!

I have never seen them listed. The ISL has a link (or at least they did for last year) and it was great.

Great stuff. Yes, I was at the Salisbury game and they threw all kinds of people at face-off including poles. I agree it is tough to gauge as Westy is not good this year but regardless AOF looked good. It would have been great to see Loomis and Choate break into the top 3 but I think we may have to wait until next year. Taft looks real good right now. It would be amazing to see and ISL - Founders championship. I would be interested in that Brooks - Kent matchup!

Still a lot of lacrosse to be played

Not So Accurate D1-2-3 Rankings

D1: Not a ton of movement except Deerfield which seems to be hitting its stride which causes AOF to fall one spot. The close win for taft was not enough for me to have salisbury jump them (yet). Tempted to put NMh above Westy but NMH plays a weaker schedule. Poor Kent.

D2-West: Only movement was at the bottom. Gunnery seems to have found their footing beating Canterbury. Cheshire Academy misses their middie that went to L'ville and now sits at the bottom after a loss to Suffield.

D2-FAA: No movement but RCDS losing their best player hurts them going forward. HH with a devastating loss to St Lukes hurts their playoff chances as they need to win their next 3.

D3: Lots of movement here. Harvey remains at the top but Hoosac who beat South Kent who beat Forman has hoosac and South kent move up a few slots. Marvelwood gets their first win.


Current Last Week School Record Comments
Division 1
1 1 Taft (7-1) Beat Choate (12-7), Close Win Hotchkiss (10-9)
2 2 Salisbury (7-1) off this week
3 3 Brunswick (9-3) Win Hill (18-11) and TP (11-6)
4 4 Choate (9-1) Loss taft (7-12)
5 7 Deerfield (7-4) Beat Loomis (15-9) Andover (17-8)
6 5 Loomis (6-3) Loss Deerfield (9-15), Win Exteter (8-7)
7 6 Avon Old Farms (6-4) Win Westy (15-4) and Kent (16-2)
8 8 Trinity Pawling (4-4) Loss Wick (6-11) and beat Berkshire (9-8). Wins have been weak teams
9 9 Hotchkiss (5-4) Win Kent (19-1) close loss Taft (9-10)
10 10 Berkshire (4-5) Beat a couple of D2 teams: Canterbury (11-6) and Williston (11-2) but loss to TP (8-9)
11 11 Westminster (3-7) Loss to AOF (4-15), Close win to D2 Millbrook (12-9)
12 12 Northfield Mount Hermon (5-8) Loss to St Pauls (9-19), beat Groton (10-9)
13 13 Kent (0-10) Loss Hotchkiss (1-19) and AOF (2-16)

Division 2 West (mostly boarding)
1 1 Wilbraham & Monson (7-1) Win Millbrook (10-9) and Worcester (17-6)
2 2 Millbrook (7-5) Loss Wilby (9-10), Close Loss to D1 Westy (9-12)
3 3 Brunswick B (not JV) (6-0)
4 4 Albany Acadamies (5-3) Loss to Hill (7-18), Beat WInchendon (9-8), Austin Prep (10-8)
5 5 Williston (2-6) Loss to Berkshire (2-13) and Pomfret (8-10)
6 7 Gunnery (4-5) Win Suffield (7-1) and big win Canterbury (6-5)
7 6 Canterbury (5-5) Loss to Berkshire (6-11) but big loss to Gunnery (5-6)
8 9 Suffield Academy (2-6) Loss Gunnery (1-7) but big win against Cheshire (8-6)
9 8 Cheshire Academy (3-7) Beat Hopkins (13-6) but huge loss to Suffield (6-8)

Division 2 - FAA (Day Schools))
1 1 Greenwich Country Day (6-2) Beat HH (20-9) and RCDS (18-8)
2 2 Greens Farms Academy (6-2) Win HH (15-2) and St Lukes (14-5)
3 3 Rye Country Day (6-3) Beat Portledge (14-13) and King (13-9). Loss to GCDS (8-18). Missing their best player
4 4 King School (3-3) Beat Masters (18-4), Loss to RCDS (9-13), beat KO (14-5)
5 5 Hamden Hall (4-8) Loss to GFA (2-15), Loss to GCDS (9-20) and huge loss to St Luke (11-12)
6 6 Hopkins School (2-6) Loss to Cheshire (6-13)
7 7 St Lukes (2-4) Loss GFA (5-14), Big Win HH (12-11)
8 8 Kingswood Oxford (1-5) Loss King (15-4)

Division 3
1 1 Harvey (6-1) Beat Forman (15-5) and Wooster (18-4)
2 2 Williams School (4-2) Beat St Andrews (12-6), Marianopolis (15-4), Wooster (14-3)
3 3 Wooster (2-4) Loss to Harvey (18-4) and Williams (3-14)
4 6 Hoosac (2-2) Loss to Winchedon (11-19), Beat South Kent (9-3)
5 5 Darrow (2-0) Beat Marvelwood (4-2)
6 10 South kent (1-1) Beat Forman (10-9), Loss to hoosac (3-9)
7 4 Forman (1-7) Loss to Harvey (5-15) and South Kent (9-10)
8 7 Masters (0-4) Loss to King (4-18) and Hasting on Hudson (8-10)
9 9 Marvelwood (1-5) Loss to Darrow (2-4), Beat Woodhall (7-5)
10 8 Woodhall (1-2) Loss to Marvelwood (5-7)
11 11 Storm King (0-0) They may not have a team this year

Now not sure of my rankings D1-2-3

D1: Choate with a huge win. Now there is a top 4 but Choate and Wick dont play each other to battle it out. No Kent Salisbury score but unlikely to move the rankings

D2-West: Wilby seems to have a solid hold. Cant move Wick B up because of their weak schedule

D2-FAA: GFA with a non conference loss to Austin Prep. RCDS has some injuries that may prevent them from advancing any further. Top 4 teams are likely destined for the FAA playoffs

D3: South Kent showing some moxie and moving up. But Harvey is the class of the division

Current Last Week School Record Comments

Division 1
1 1 Taft (10-1) Beat TP (18-7) and jKent (19-3) and Berkshire (15-5)
2 3 Brunswick (10-3) Beat West (14-8)
3 4 Choate (11-1) Beat Salisbury (15-11) and Berkshire (9-8)
4 2 Salisbury (9-2) Beat Hotchkiss (21-8) and NMH (18-4)
5 5 Deerfield (8-5) Loss LVille (7-13) and Hotchkiss (13-10)
6 6 Loomis (8-3) Beat Westy (14-5) and Anodver (15-1)
7 7 Avon Old Farms (8-4) Beat Hotchkiss (16-9) and TP (11-9)
8 8 Trinity Pawling (5-6) Loss Taft (7-18), Beat D2 Millbrook (14-8), Loss to AOF (9-11)
9 9 Hotchkiss (5-7) Loss Salisbury (8-21) and AOF (9-16) and Deerfield (13-10)
10 10 Berkshire (6-7) Beat D2 Gunnery (13-5) and D2 Albany (13-2), Loss to Taft (5-15) and Choate (8-9)
11 11 Westminster (3-9) Loss to Loomis (5-14) and Wick (8-14)
12 12 Northfield Mount Hermon (6-9) Loss Salisbury (4-18), Beat Kimball Union
13 13 Kent (0-11) Loss Taft (3-19)

Division 2 West (mostly boarding)
1 1 Wilbraham & Monson (8-2) Win Canterbury (9-1), Loss Cushing (7-8)
2 2 Millbrook (8-6) Loss TP (8-14) and Suffield (12-4)
3 3 Brunswick B (not JV) (7-2) Loss to Salisbury B (10-11) and GCDS (13-14)
4 4 Albany Acadamies (5-4) Loss to D1 Berkshire (13-2)
5 5 Williston (4-6) Beat Suffield (20-4) and Canterbury 14-9
6 7 Gunnery (4-6) Loss D1 Berkshire (5-13)
7 6 Canterbury (5-7) Loss Wilby (1-9) and Williston (9-14)
8 8 Suffield Academy (2-8) Loss Williston (4-20) and Millbrook (4-12)
9 9 Cheshire Academy (3-8) Loss to GFA (3-9)

Division 2 - FAA (Day Schools)
1 1 Greenwich Country Day (8-2) Big win against 'Wick B (14-13) and KO (19-4)
2 2 Greens Farms Academy (7-3) Beat Cheshire Academy (9-3), Loss to Asutin Prep (11-7)
3 3 Rye Country Day (8-3) Beat Hopkins (10-7).
4 4 King School (6-3) Beat St Lukes (8-5) and HH (9-4)
5 5 Hamden Hall (5-9) Beat KO (12-4), Loss King (9-4)
6 6 Hopkins School (2-8) Loss RCDS (7-10)
7 7 St Lukes (2-6) Loss to King (5-8)
8 8 Kingswood Oxford (1-7) Loss to HH (4-12) and GCDS (4-19)

Division 3
1 1 Harvey (9-1) Beat Williams in the rematch (14-6) and horance mann (6-8) and Forman (9-4)
2 2 Williams School (4-3) Loss to Harvey in the rematch (6-14)
3 3 Wooster (3-4) Beat Taft 3rds (10-5)
4 4 Hoosac (3-3) Loss to Vermont Acad (9-11)
5 6 South kent (2-1) Beat Marvelwood (14-0)
6 7 Forman (2-8) Beat Darrow (12-0), Loss to Harvey (4-9)
7 5 Darrow (3-2) Loss to Forman (0-12), Beat Marvelwood (6-1)
8 8 Masters (0-4)
9 9 Marvelwood (1-8) Loss to South Kent (14-0) and Darrow (1-6)
10 10 Woodhall (1-2)
11 11 Storm King (0-0) No team this year

Now Im all mixed up rankings D1-2-3

D1: Salisbury beats Taft. Wick beat Salisbury. So many teams have beaten each other and I cant make heads or tails as they could all make an argument for the top spot. Too bad Wick and Choate dont play. By margin of victory and by margin of loss to Lville (9-10), I have to put Wick 1st again but any of them could be #1. CHoate could make a case. But I am going to use laxnumbers rankings for some help.

Same issue in the next Tier with all the teams beating each other. Poor Deerfield with a loss against AOF. A win wouldnt have moved them up but would have made a case for the top spot of the next Tier. I could put AOF above Loomis because of their (9-15) loss to Deerfield and I am not sure they would beat AOF again now that AOF FOGO is playing again. Kent basically not posting updated scores at this point. Lax numbers has it (Dfield, Loom, AOF)

D2-West: Not much movement. Millbrook avenges a close 1 goal loss to Gunnery by trouncing them (18-9). Brunswick B falls because of their weak schedule and losses. Not sure they should be in this Division but I dont know where else to put them

D2-FAA: big win by GFA over GCDS and King to retake the top spot. RCDS should be third but they are dealing with injuries. Playoffs this week

D3: Incorrect Wooster-Forman score earlier in the year has changed the rankings. HVAL playoffs this week

Current Last Week School Record Comments
Division 1
1 2 Brunswick (12-3) Win AOF (14-9) and huge win against Salisbury (18-15)
2 1 Taft (11-2) Big loss against Salisbury (9-16) but rebounded against Loomis (16-12)
3 4 Salisbury (11-3) Beat Kent (19-4) and huge win against Taft (16-9) but tough loss against 'Wick (15-18)
4 3 Choate (13-1) Beat TP (13-10) and Hotchkiss (10-4)
4 6 Loomis (10-4) Beat NMH (17-7) and D2 Williston (23-5) but loss to Taft (12-16)
5 5 Deerfield (9-6) Win Kent (23-5) but tough loss against AOF (9-11)
6 7 Avon Old Farms (9-5) Loss Wick (9-14) but big win against Deerfield (11-9)
8 8 Trinity Pawling (6-8) Loss Choate (10-13). Tough loss against LVille (4-21)
9 9 Hotchkiss (6-8) Win D2 Albany (18-10). Loss Choate (4-10)
10 10 Berkshire (8-7) Win Westy (13-7) and D2 Wilby (11-7)
11 11 Westminster (3-10) Loss Berkshire (7-13)
12 12 Northfield Mount Hermon (6-11) Loss Loomis (7-17) and Winchendon (12-13) and Exeter (4-12)
13 13 Kent (0-12) Loss Salisbury (4-19) and Deerfield (5-23)

Division 2 West (mostly boarding)
1 1 Wilbraham & Monson (9-3) Beat Gunnery (9-8). Loss to Berkshire (7-11)
2 2 Millbrook (10-6) Beat St Lukes (18-8) and avenge an earlier loss by beating Gunnery (18-9)
3 4 Albany Acadamies (5-5) Loss Hotchkiss (10-18)
4 5 Williston (4-7) Loss Loomis (5-23)
5 3 Brunswick B (not JV) (7-3) Loss Salisbury B (12-20)
6 6 Gunnery (5-8) Beat St Lukes (12-3), close loss to Wilby (8-9). Loss to Millbrook (9-18) in the rematch
7 7 Canterbury (7-7) Beat Cheshire Academy (14-4) and a good Portsmouth Abbey (10-9)
8 8 Suffield Academy (4-8) Beat KO (13-7) and HH (8-5)
9 9 Cheshire Academy (3-9) Loss Canterbury (4-14)

Division 2 - FAA (Day Schools))
1 2 Greens Farms Academy (8-3) Huge win GCDS (11-8) and King (7-5)
2 1 Greenwich Country Day (8-3) Huge loss GFA (8-11)
3 4 King School (7-3) Beat Hopkins (8-3) but bug loss to GFA (5-7)
4 3 Rye Country Day (10-3) Beat Masters (14-6) and HH (17-8) but missing some players due to injury
5 5 Hamden Hall (5-11) Loss to RCDS (8-17) and Suffield (5-8)
6 6 Hopkins School (4-9) Beat Harvey (8-7) and Loss to King (3-8) and beat KO (13-5(
7 7 St Lukes (2-8) Loss Gunnery (3-12) and Millbrook (8-18)
8 8 Kingswood Oxford (2-9) Beat Wooster (11-4), Loss Suffield (7-13) and Hopkins (5-13)

Division 3
1 1 Harvey (9-2) Loss to Hopkins (7-8)
2 2 Williams School (8-3) Beat Rocky Hill (14-3)
3 4 Hoosac (4-3) Beat Forman (11-8)
4 5 South kent (2-1)
5 6 Forman (5-9) Beat Wooster (9-7) but lost to Hoosac (8-11)
6 7 Darrow (3-2)
7 3 Wooster (2-7) Loss KO (4-11) and Forman (7-9)
8 8 Masters (0-5) Loss top RCDS 6-14
9 9 Marvelwood (1-8)
10 10 Woodhall (1-2)
11 11 Storm King (0-0) No team this year

Almost there final rankings D1-2-3

D1: Exciting final game in the Preps going double O2. By virtue of their close losses to LVille, I think I am going to have to put Wick #1 again though Taft could easily make the case for #1 so i used Laxnumbers as the tie-breaker even though Taft beat Wick, their Salisbury loss hurts them. If Taft beats Loomis on Wednesday maybe they make the case for #1. Loomis coming on strong and Choate fading. AOF get the misfortune of having to play Taft back to back and finishes losing 3/4. TP gets to play Kent twice? Hotchkiss stays above Berkshire who close on a 4 game win streak because HKiss beat Berk earlier in the season. Westy is bad but I cant move NMH above them as they lost to Westy and NMH schedule is very weak. BUT AT LEAST KENT WON a game for the first time in 4 years,

D2-West: Apparently there was a score correction from earlier in the year and Millbrook actually beat Wilby so I have to move Millbrook past Wilby even though Millbrook closed with a whimper by losing to Albany bad. Albany stays above Willy but virtue of their early season win against them. Brunsiwck B schedule is [Censored] but cant move Gunnery past them and Cantebury lost to Gunnery as well

D2-FAA: Exciting final as GCDS gets revenge by beating last years champion GFA and takes the top spot

D3: In an exciting game Williams gets revenge on Harvey and takes the top spot in one HVAL finale. In the lower HVAL finale, Darrow beats Marvelwood

Current Last Week School Record Comments
Division 1
1 1 Brunswick (13-4) Beat Salisbury (15-9) but lost to Lville in the Prep (13-14)
2 2 Taft (14-2) Beat AOF (15-5) and again in the Founders (20-11)
3 3 Salisbury (12-4) Beat Deerfield (8-6) but loss to Wick in the Prep (9-15)
4 5 Loomis (13-4) Win Choate (9-7) and again in the founders (10-8)
5 4 Choate (13-3) Loss Loomis (7-9) and again in the founders (8-10)
6 6 Deerfield (10-8) Loss Salisbury (6-8) and to Lville in the Prep (8-16)
7 7 Avon Old Farms (9-7) Loss to Taft (5-15) and again in the Founders (11-20)
8 8 Trinity Pawling (8-8) Beat Hotchkiss (10-9) and Kent (14-5) again?
9 9 Hotchkiss (6-9) Loss TP (9-10)
10 10 Berkshire (11-7) Win D2 Millbrook (8-7) and beat Andover (11-7)
11 11 Westminster (5-11) Beat Kent (12-5) and D2 Williston (6-4)
12 12 Northfield Mount Hermon (6-13) Loss to D2 Williston (9-15)
13 13 Kent (0-16) Loss to Westy (5-12), Beat D2 Canterbury (8-5) FINALLY and loss to TP (5-14)

Division 2 West (mostly boarding)
1 2 Millbrook (11-7) Loss to D1 Berkshire (7-8) and Albany (8-14)
2 1 Wilbraham & Monson (9-4) Beat Winchendon (17-5)
3 3 Albany Acadamies (7-5) Beat Gunnery (12-10) and Millbrook (14-8)
4 4 Williston (8-8) Beat D1 NMH (15-9) but lost to D1 Westy (4-6). Beat Pomfret (11-9) and Gunnery again (10-5)
5 5 Brunswick B (not JV) (7-3)
6 6 Gunnery (5-11) Loss Albany (10-12) and loss to Williston again (5-10)
7 7 Canterbury (7-9) Loss D1 Kent (5-8) and Pomffret (7-11)
8 8 Suffield Academy (4-9) Loss to Pomfret (4-15)
9 9 Cheshire Academy (3-9)

Division 2 - FAA (Day Schools))
1 2 Greenwich Country Day (10-4) Beat RCDS in the semifinals (15-10) but beats GFA (11-8) in the final to claim the FAA titel
2 1 Greens Farms Academy (10-4) Beat King (10-4) in the playoffs but loses to GCDS in the final (8-11)
3 3 King School (7-4) Loss to GFA (4-10) in the playoffs
4 4 Rye Country Day (10-4) Loss to GCDS in the semifinals (10-15)
5 5 Hamden Hall (5-11)
6 6 Hopkins School (4-9)
7 7 St Lukes (2-8)
8 8 Kingswood Oxford (2-9)

Division 3
1 2 Williams School (10-3) Beat Forman (5-10) and beats Harvey in the finale (12-11) in OT in an upset
2 1 Harvey (11-3) Beat Masters (20-15) and Wooster in the (12-6) but loses to Williams in the final (11-12) in OT
3 3 Hoosac (4-3)
4 4 South kent (2-1)
5 5 Forman (5-10) Loss to Williams (10-5)
6 6 Darrow (4-2) Beat Marvelwood in the HVAL finale (7-6)
7 7 Wooster (2-8) Loss to Harvey (6-12)
8 8 Masters (0-6) Loss Harvey (15-20)
9 9 Marvelwood (2-9) Beat Woodhall in the HVAL semis (10-7) but lost to Darrow in the FInale (7-6)
10 10 Woodhall (1-3) Loss to Marvelwood in the HVAL semis (7-10)
11 11 Storm King (0-0) No team this year

Final Not So Accurate Rankings Division 1-2-3

D1: 'Wick as the champion though one could make an argument for both Taft and Salisbury as well. Taft beat Loomis in the Founders Championship. Personally I will say there was more "parity" this year with any of the top 7 teams playing competitive lax. My surprises include Loomis. My disappointments include Choate, who could have made the leap into the top tier but still had a good year, Hotchkiss and Westy which has fallen off the map. But kudos to the Kent Seniors who finally got a win

D2-West: Champion: Millbrook - they played a very competitive schedule and a lot games this year. Wilby could make an argument but they lost the head to head. Surprises - none. Disappointments - Gunnery, Canterbury and Cheshire Academy which has also fallen off the map

D2-FAA: Champion: GCDS who beat GFA in the championship. With the exception of GCDS who is building a solid program, no surprises except maybe Hopkins School who lost a lot of firepower with their graduating class last year but still managed to win 5 games. No disappointments except maybe King who has the talent to compete with the top 2 teams but came up short this year.

D3: Champion: Williams who beat Harvey in the final game. Harvey had a great season though and played a tough schedule. My surprises included them and South Kent who came out of mothballs to play 3 games and play competitively. My disappointment is Storm King who could not field a team and Wooster who should have been more competitive.

See you all next year.

Current Last Week School Record Comments
Division 1
1 1 Brunswick (13-4)
2 2 Taft (15-2) Beats Loomis in the championship (14-8)
3 3 Salisbury (12-4)
4 5 Loomis (13-5) Loses to Taft in the championship (8-14)
5 4 Choate (14-3) Beats AOF (15-14) in OT
6 6 Deerfield (10-8)
7 7 Avon Old Farms (9-8) Loss to Choate in OT (14-15)
8 9 Hotchkiss (8-9) Beat Westy in the Founders tourney (17-6) and then beat TP in the rematch (13-8)
9 8 Trinity Pawling (8-9) Loss to Hotchkiss in the rematch (8-13)
10 10 Berkshire (11-7)
11 11 Westminster (6-12) Loss to Hotchkiss (6-17) but beat Kent (18-6)
12 12 Northfield Mount Hermon (6-13)
13 13 Kent (1-17) Loss to Westy (6-18)

Division 2 West (mostly boarding)
1 2 Millbrook (11-7)
2 1 Wilbraham & Monson (9-4)
3 3 Albany Acadamies (7-5) Loss to Worcester Acad (8-9)
4 4 Williston (8-8)
5 5 Brunswick B (not JV) (7-3)
6 6 Gunnery (5-11)
7 7 Canterbury (7-9)
8 8 Suffield Academy (4-9)
9 9 Cheshire Academy (4-10)

Division 2 - FAA (Day Schools)
1 2 Greenwich Country Day (11-4)
2 1 Greens Farms Academy (10-4)
3 3 King School (5-6) Beat Wheeler (13-1) and loss to Berwick (5-13)
4 4 Rye Country Day (11-6) Beat Portledge (12-6) in the semis and lost to Hackley (8-9) in the finals and rematch
5 5 Hamden Hall (5-11)
6 6 Hopkins School (5-8)
7 7 St Lukes (2-8)
8 8 Kingswood Oxford (2-9)

Division 3
1 2 Williams School (10-3)
2 1 Harvey (11-3)
3 3 Hoosac (4-3)
4 4 South kent (2-1)
5 5 Forman (5-10)
6 6 Darrow (4-2)
7 7 Wooster (2-8)
8 8 Masters (0-6)
9 9 Marvelwood (2-9)
10 10 Woodhall (1-3)
11 11 Storm King (0-0)

Way too early for rank or even talking team but curious does the mount of players who comnit to play in college have any relevance on how goodll a team will be in spring?

Pish posh; never too early to be talking lax!! I don’t have data but the amount of commute may not matter but the quality not destination may make a difference. But there have been some stacked teams that have done just Ok. AOF had a stacked team and TP and Hotchkiss have a ton of commits but they finished middle of the pack. A lot of schools who are PG dependent also do well because those PGs usually have a commitment in hand when they show up. Me personally, yes I would rather have a stacked team with high level commits.

When you move down divisions to D2 and D3 the amount of commits definitely help the team more

Never too early to be talking lax. Any teams looking good for the upcoming Varsity prep school D1, D2, D3?

Don’t have enough empirical evidence to support any of my projections but

D1: wick Salisbury still the tops.
Taft depending on the new coach
Loomis definitely in the conversation
Choate if they can reload their PGs
Deerfield is a dark horse
Westy, HKiss, NMH with new coaches.

High D2: don’t know who lost or gained what. Wilbraham? I like how Millbrook has challenged themselves with their schedule last year

Low D2. GFA always a perennial. GCDS is a rising star of a school. Can gunnery and Canterbury come back from down years.

D3: Williams always a perennial. Harvey will be good again this year.

Taft will be much more balanced this year. Insane amount of high caliber middie. , defense. Goalie. Missing #0 this year will
Hurt a bit. But the middies will compensate.

Gunnery got a new assistant coach and beefed up their roster. Hopefully should see some other schools stepping up as well.

Berkshire picked up one of the top attackmen in the 26 class - reclassing to 27. They also have an excellent senior midfielder coming in from NMH. Building…

Keep waiting for Berkshire to break into the mid tier. They float between the bottom of the mid tier and the top of the bottom tier

Whats's going on at TP? They always seem like they should be better on paper then they are.

Agreed. Always expecting more from them every year for a breakthrough season like choate or loonies last year and hotchkiss the year before. Defense was solid last year. Will it carry over to this year and will the offense keep pace? Maybe Kirks new box league will help? For now I have them at bottom of middle tier behind Hkiss and AOF but above Berkshire. Should be exciting to watch.

Yep. Had a solid 2021 splitting w AOF, Beat a coupleo fo strong ISL teams early 2022 but not much since.

So fall ball has begun. Anyone have any new insight for the upcoming season?

Too early to say. We don't really play each other much until spring. Would have been nice to play some other FOunders teams down in MD at NHSLS,

Any early predictions?

Watching some lax today and curious how Founders League hypothetically would stand up vd D1 , D2 and D3 conferences. Just playing around.

Are you serious? They would get smoked, easily.
Just because most of those. It’s are double holdbacks, doesn’t mean they can hang w a college program…
That’s a clown question bro

Sorry for asking. I figured Brunswick could hang with a mid D3 at least.

I think you’re wrong. A team of 19 year old high end d1 commits would smoke a mid level d3. Speed athleticism. Skill. Etc. Your gonna tell me some pole that played low level travel for 91 tristate is going to stop a lightening quick attackman headed to Notre Dame?

obviously your not gonna beat Tufts RIT etc but im talking like teams 25 and below

Loomis ain’t beating F&M…
If you’re specifically talking about the top tier (Brunswick, Taft), going against the lowest of tiers in DIIi, I’m unsure why you’d even care, you put those schools against top DIII, it ain’t happening.
I know you want to justify the money you spend on boarding but it’s a no for me dog.

you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, nor do you have any idea how good a starting player is on a team like brunswick. most d3 players are on age , its an apples to apples fight, of course the college kids may be stronger by a touch , the kids i know who play d 3 and contribute could never step on the field at Wick , maybe as an off ball guy

Are we talking about the “Founders League” or just Brunswick?
If you’re telling me the ‘wick can beat a lower level diii team, okay maybe. But, if we look at the league in totality, they would not be able to hang.
YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT.
Stay up north w your boarding school buddies and pound your chest together - clown show

Anyone know how that Choate vs Fairfield Prep went?

I would assume Choate smoked them; after all, Founders League teams would beat DI and DIII schools, remember?

what is your playing experience exactly?

I played HS, College and 2yrs in the MLL…now I coach.
Your turn, big guy

So who won that scrimmage?

Any biased feedback from yesterdays games?
Taft down a little this year
Wick usual dominance. Boring.
TP is still mid.

1 "Wick"
2. Deerfield
3. Salisbury
4. Loomis
5. Taft
6. Choate
7. TP
8. Hotchkiss
9. Westy
10.Berkshire
11.NMH
12. Kent

Are all the kids in these schools at least 2 years older than their grade?

1. Brunswick
2. Deerfield
3. Salisbury
4. Taft
5. Loomis
6. Hotchkiss
7. AOF
8. TP
9. Berkshire
10 Westminster
11 NMH
12. Kent

At least, Maybe even 3!

1. Wick
2. Deerfield
3. Salisbury
4. Loomis
5. Taft
6. TP
7. AOF
8. Berkshire
9. Westminster
10. Hotchkiss
11. NMH
12. Kent

You clearly don’t think too highly of Choate.

How young are kids when NEPSAC coaches start recruiting? Are there rules about contact?

Millbrook could beat the bottom 2-3 teams in NEW D1

Can't speak for all of NEPSAC but Founders usually around 7th-8th grade for freshman entries. Transfers are anytime. No rules about contact as almost always done throught the club circuit.

Most of the founders league is made up of double holdbacks so I’d assume they start recruiting as the boys near HS graduation

Most are recruited early High School.