It's the start of the Fall 2016/Spring 2017 season. Use this thread for your posts regarding this age group

has anyone noticed rising sophomores dropping out of their fall sport? maybe too small a sample but I have heard three lacrosse players (one committed and two not) not coming out for their fall sport. in one case the girl said not playing club soccer has her in the dog house with the coach this fall-- the coach is treating her like wood in favor of freshman that haven't ever played on the high school level apparently.

anyone seen this type of thing at your high school before or even this year??

there are many parents, like myself, who are big proponents of zeroing in on one sport you love at this age, for our kids. pick one... focus on that one sport thru high school. academics and three sports a year do not mix. there is a huge percentage of injuries and burnout and unhappiness with it becoming a time burden for girls this age who overdo it with multiple sports. just no reason for it really. another important point here is that a singular high school sport is truly a year round thing at most high schools - workouts, off season practices, off season leagues.

Completely disagree with this post. Most top orthopedics believe that the increase in youth sports injuries is directly related to kids specializing in one sport and are proponents of playing multiple sports. School work I understand but if your kids grades decline during their chosen sport season then that is an issue.Do not know of many top high school athletes that only play one sport , particularly lacrosse.

Many college coaches feel same way
Until you sign on dotted line anyway

You should take into account that your child may want to participate in multiple sports in order to socialize with their friends. They can concentrate on one sport to pursue at college level but can still participate in more. Not keeping up with their studies is a different story. School comes first.

I think the high school coaches are driving the single sport trend as well. They seem completely aligned with the club people, always pushing the players to do every clinic, camp, offseason team, etc. maybe it's driven by wanting the best athletes playing only in their program? Or maybe it's the money.. The kids seem to be losing out either way.

Not going to spend the time trying to convince you because it sounds like your mind is made, but you couldn't be more wrong.

Agreed. I know from experience playing and coaching. But parents know better.

Many college coaches agree. Most want their recruits playing another varsity sport in HS. My daughter is a D1 commit and a 3 sport varsity athlete. She's also on the honor roll. Time management can occasionally be challenging, but college life will be too. She's also fortunate to not have to have a part time job during the school year like I did in high school. I think her HS experiences will prepare her well.

She should get a job. That's actually a more valuable life experience than the 3rd sport... I make that statement a bit tongue in cheek, but also as a way to prompt a little thinking. What your daughter is doing might be exactly right for her. But might not be exactly right for someone else. Ultimately, this is about passion for things, and everyone is different. Just as being a one sport athlete isn't a bad thing, neither is being a three-sport athlete (or two or none). Each situation is different. Everyone seems to claim to know what's best for everyone else. They don't. In my daughter's particular situation, she could be a three-sport athlete, but chooses to play only two. She is committed to a top ten lax program, but also likes to participate in theater. So she takes one season off to be in a school play each year. If she said she no longer enjoyed sport two, and wanted to do something else, that would be fine too. It's their lives and they should pursue what makes them happy. As long my kids find their passions and work hard, I'm good with it. I have a couple that play sports, and a couple that don't. I'm proud of all of them.

She does have a job - a summer job each year. And I totally agree that having a job in high school it is a very valuable lesson. She's certainly learned that spending money SHE earns is much different than spending mom's and dad's money. I do see your point though. Everyone's situation is different and being a one sport athlete isn't a bad thing - unless the child wants to play other sports and is being convinced not to because of the need to "specialize". HS years go by in a flash - some of the best memories are made in after school activities whether it sports, theatre, clubs, etc.

Well.....my daughter is gender fluid and playing with the HS boys football and lacrosse teams. She is a multisport, multi-gender player and this will make her tougher when she plays against the girls in college. I got it ALL covered

I hope this entire post is sarcasm? The absolute worst thing a kid could do is become a one sport athlete. Orthopedists to coaches will tell you the same thing. We did it as kids in Jr High and HS and so should kids today, as long as their grades don't suffer of course.

Really? The absolute worst thing a kid can do is play one sport??? I can think of a few other things worse. So you are saying a kid can't choose to play one sport and do other things with their time besides playing other sports? I hope you realize there are things besides sports. And poor little Michael Phelps, that one-sport athlete. He is such a loser.

Actually he was a multi sport athlete in high school. Yes there are worse things a kid can do but you will struggle to find any top high school lacrosse player that does not play another sport. Go read the countless articles by orthopedic surgeons , have never read one that recommends playing 1 sport year round.

yea but lacrosse provides full rides!!!

You completely missed the point of my post and the original post, but your wit and sarcasm at the end was cute, if not your reading comprehension. My point was....focusing on one sport and only playing that one sport all year round is a bad idea. I never said anything about not pursuing other interests. If your kid wants to only play one sport and takes a break from that sport while mixing in other interests (art, theater, etc.) more power to them. It's the one sport athlete, as the original post states (offseason leagues, camps, clinics, etc), that focuses all of their time and energy on that one sport that isn't good. The freaks of nature, Michael Phelps, aside. Get it now???

" You are 100pct incorrect about Phelps. He only swam." Your quote.

Because you responded like a tool I will treat you like one.
"When he entered Towson High School, Michael toyed with the idea of going out for football, and later played on the golf team" a quote from his biography , last I checked golf is a sport.

"important point here is that a singular high school sport is truly a year round thing at most high schools - workouts, off season practices, off season leagues"
"And nobody said playing one sport year round"

I used two of your quotes here to show what a tool bag you are and thanks for telling us what a fantastic athlete you thought you were , again what a loser.

"And later played on the golf team" ... yeah ok please. Quite the cross training genius with all the answers. And while he was on the golf team, he also swam every morning toolbag.

All the coaches pay lip service to the value of multi-sport athletes. And there is truth in it. But when it comes down to it, most are hypocrites and want high schoolers to have a stick in their hand year-round. Not to mention that injuries occur not just from over use, but from playing too many sports. How about the hockey player girl in our town (D1 commit) who decided to go out for lax and tore her ACL in pre-season? How'd that multi-sport attempt work out for her?

That story sounds blatantly made up.

Your posts are so idiotic I am not convinced you actually believe what you are writing. Its funny that you think you know what most coaches believe and make up your own facts about kids playing too many sports, go look at the studies and the beliefs of the top orthopedic surgeons treating the kids with sport related injuries .Maybe the hockey girl tore her ACL because she was a one sport athlete prior to trying lacrosse you dope . Using one kid as an example to prove something is ridiculous. Its like saying playing one sport must make people stupid , just look at the example you are setting.

" Its like saying playing one sport must make people stupid"

How many did you play?

None he was too busy hanging with your wife while you pursued your other interests with your fellow thespians.

A study published in the journal Sports Health found that “for most sports, there is no evidence that intense training and specialization before [age 13 or 14] are necessary to achieve elite status. Risks of early sports specialization include higher rates of injury . . . and quitting sports at a young age.”

How big is the risk of injury if you specialize in one sport? A Loyola University Chicago study of 1,200 youth athletes found that kids who specialized in one sport were 70 percent to 93 percent more likely to be injured than multi-sport athletes.That’s a lot.

Kids who specialize in one sport also get burned out. An Ohio State University study found that kids who played a single sport were more likely to quit their sport and be physically inactive as adults.


There are a ton of studies and articles published stating the benefits of being a multi sport athlete such as the above and virtually none extoling the virtues of being a " specialized' athlete.

Study shmudy, his kid's getting a full ride.

BEFORE 13-14!! The discussion was around high school sports. You make yourself look foolish when you cite a study that actually supports the opposite position. Read it again ... "A study published in the journal Sports Health found that “for most sports, there is no evidence that intense training and specialization before [age 13 or 14] are necessary to achieve elite status." Implying that after age 13-14 (high school for most but maybe u started at 16?) to achieve elite status specialization actually could be important. Nice job genius.

It's actually comical what an absolute moron you are .The fact that you think the above implies that tells me you have no idea how a study is done . Feel bad for your kid that she has a father who clearly has a learning disability , cannot be easy on her .According to you the studies that show overweight kids in junior high tend to stay overweight as adults implies that overweight high school kids must tend to be thin adults .

Yeah, and studies that show smoking is bad for pre-teens imply that it is good for high school and college kids.

Can we move on from this nonsense?

I don't see why--- it's been very educational.

Every study that addresses sports specialization has been done with regard to "early specialization" as defined as youth sports, as this one was. I get it tho, your daughter isn't very good at sports. It's ok. She should try the flute.

Moving on ... Many spots already filled at the top schools. When does the next tier start ramping up? Is it fair to say that the vast majority of top 40 D1 programs will be done/almost done by spring high school season?

Does anyone on this site know if any 2019s have committed to Michigan?

Not sure but I heard there may be a coaching change.

Yes.

How many 2019s commits does Michigan have at this point? Or how many 2019s do you know of who have committed?

CALL THE COACH AND FIND OUT

If you listen to people on this site you would think that all D1 recruiting is done before entering 10th grade. Having been to many schools and talked to many coaches that is not even remotely close to accurate, for a very small handful of the aggressive recruiting schools maybe. I was surprised by many coaches who only start recruiting in 10th. Don't let the people on this site scare you, plenty of oppurtunity exists later in the process. Your top 50 -100 recruits may go quick, but not everybody is in a rush to commit including many coaches.

No you are correct. But a lot of it will be done by the end of 10th grade. Still spots after that for sure, but not a ton.

This. My daughter talked with a coach from a competitive D1 program a couple of weeks ago and was told she was the first 2019 they have talked with, and it's new for them to reach out this early, as they usually start talking with recruits during the summer before junior year. Heard the same from several other schools in the 20-40 ranking range. Also, several top 20 schools she's talked to have several verbals, but still have plenty of open spots.

And even more spots available in other schools that are not in the top 40 but are very solid academically.
Going into panic mode and rush this decision could really cause a lot of problems later. We're more into finding that right fit for academics, social and lacrosse.

Moving on ... Many spots already filled at the top schools. When does the next tier start ramping up? Is it fair to say that the vast majority of top 40 D1 programs will be done/almost done by spring high school season? [/quote]

If you listen to people on this site you would think that all D1 recruiting is done before entering 10th grade. Having been to many schools and talked to many coaches that is not even remotely close to accurate, for a very small handful of the aggressive recruiting schools maybe. I was surprised by many coaches who only start recruiting in 10th. Don't let the people on this site scare you, plenty of oppurtunity exists later in the process. Your top 50 -100 recruits may go quick, but not everybody is in a rush to commit including many coaches.[/quote]

This. My daughter talked with a coach from a competitive D1 program a couple of weeks ago and was told she was the first 2019 they have talked with, and it's new for them to reach out this early, as they usually start talking with recruits during the summer before junior year. Heard the same from several other schools in the 20-40 ranking range. Also, several top 20 schools she's talked to have several verbals, but still have plenty of open spots. [/quote]

Yup, and most of those spots, as the original post asks, will be gone by next summer. There are no top 40 programs that start talking to their first recruits the summer before their junior years. Used to be, but not any more. Heck, a friends daughter in the 2020 grade has already been contacted by schools below the top 40. They r lying if they say they aren't talking to recruits.

does it make sense to consider a school like Syracuse or florida just because the team is so strong? the academics are so mediocre and they will give so much to the team. I mean, will a young lady with a BA from a school like this have anything to offer a super competitive job market?? confused here please give guidance if yah have it.

Lacrosse is over in 4 years. Your college degree is forever. Send your kid to the best academic school you can

Finally, someone who gets it!!!!

So are all the other sports for 99.9% of the kids on LI...but those people are just as crazy.

And that they r a fit for. It does them no good if they get to Harvard and fail out.

Better to have tried and failed than to have never tried at all.

ok. disagree in this case, but you're entitled to your opinion.

That sounds like and expensive approach to college. I prefer to pick strong academics where we know that my daughter can succeed and also play D1 because she wants to. I would have been totally thrilled with D3 and all their academically strong schools. But, she's worked hard to get to this point.

Amen!

umm. Harvard is D1 and also pretty strong academically. the hardest part of an Ivy League school is getting in. it is not that different than many other strong academic colleges once you get there. staying in is not a huge deal in other words.

Ivies are different in that they don't provide the academic infrastructure of non-ivies to help athletes. Stanford and Duke, for instance, provide tutoring and time management help through their student-athlete academic services departments. Quite a big difference. It is true that the hardest part is getting in. But for laxers (and other athletes) it's much easier, and that can be great, or a problem. The football team at Harvard, for example, over recruits by close to 50% because they know that many kids will drop football/not cut it academically because it can be overwhelming for a kid who isn't a good fit. It is important to make sure a school is a good fit for your kid. Just because they can get in, doesn't make it the right place.

Now if your kid gets into Harvard, Stanford, Duke and Northwestern, I'm not saying they should go to a much weaker academic school instead. What I am saying is that these highly competitive academic schools have differences, and one might fit a kid better than another.

I would rather teach my children to always set their goals high and to work diligently to exceed their goals while constantly looking for new challenges and setting new goals. What schools they go to and what level they play is not important. The important thing is that they set goals, work hard and enjoy what they are doing. Playing it safe and looking for the sure thing is no way to go through life.

the old line was 'you can get a potted plant into U. of Florida' .. but to play Lacrosse you have to be a stud. guess the game is more important for the parents ultimately.

Academic snob huh? Probly a lot of ivy leagers working for the state school graduates. Get off your high horse okay..

Very quiet on the 19 thread

'19s have gotten recruited faster and in greater numbers than 18s. I'm told it was both the constant progression of things getting earlier coupled w the fact that the '19 age group nationally was better both at the top and deeper. Any comments?

Relax Heros dad.

I think the Club movement has peaked and is about to collapse. These greedy, egomaniacal, couldn't give a rats red a** about the kids club directors have overplayed their hands. the commitment is 3x the time and 2x the money it was just 5 or 6 years ago. I think people have just had enough. anyone else got the same hunch?

No

I am very sure the various club directors would disagree with the "peaked" aspect....
But until us common folk rise up and demand accountability and transparency as we would any other business, things will keep chugging along while we lemmings support the travel machine.

2019 commit from Integrity to U of Florida. That makes four 2019 commits for them.

Not sure if that is boasting but heros and mnd have many more. Congrats to all the girls

It is a little boasting, but the point I was trying to make is there are very good players on teams other than M&D. Integrity is in the second tier of teams behind M&D, no question. Their philosophy is one team per age group to keep the drama down, and to try to put out the best team they can at that particular age group. And, more to your answer, you have to remember that this is not a contest to see who can get the most girls recruited. It's a means to get the girls into a college that they are comfortable in at a discounted tuition, while also playing lacrosse. And, I echo your comment...Good luck to all the girls, regardless of which club they play for or which school they choose.

Yes it's boasting, not to mention obnoxious, but thank you for again telling us how superior your daughters club is, insecure much? Can you now allow other girls and other clubs to have a little sunshine also?

Take it easy on them, only boasting if they are doing better than other clubs and rubbing it in. Not the case here, other top clubs have around 30 2019's committed at this point. Lay off, say congrats, and wish the girl(s) good luck. A commit to FL is a great accomplishment no matter what club you come from!

People...it's not a contest to see who has the "best" club based on the number of commits. Nobody actual intelligent grownups give a crap which teams is "best". Only over-zealous, frustrated jock parents care about that crap. Give 'em a break...they're probably working with limited intelligence.

People...it's not a contest to see who has the "best" club based on the number of commits. Nobody actual intelligent grownups give a crap which teams is "best". Only over-zealous, frustrated jock parents care about that crap. Give 'em a break...they're probably working with limited intelligence. [/quote

Funniest post ever without trying to be funny.

numb n***. who has 30 2019's committed?? Jackets has low twenties and obviously way ahead of all others. why is there such a lack of factual info on the site right now? no one messes with the bee.. come with some facts.

I just heard a rumor that CR had a vasectomy a week ago. LOL.

YJ have 26 but who's counting.

YJ have 26 but who cares? most will end up riding the bench. They just aren't that good.

they aint being given spots at top collegese for their great academic records or because the schools will benrfit from having a bunch of parents with tats on their arms and moms with big hair like the 80's.. its because they can flat out play. no other reason. get real

Really? what club does your daughter play for?

One that's better than them. Sorry, the 2019 YJ is just not that great. They're good, just not 26 early D1 commit good. There are at least 4 teams better than them in this age group, and quite frankly you can't usually say that about YJ teams.

Not a YJ parent but based on results I don't think you can come up with 4 better teams.

So when you say there are 4 betters teams then them, that would mean those other teams would have winning records against them, correct?

This should be a good answer, cant wait to hear the logic.

M&D, Heros, Skywalkers, Capital, TLC, Mass Elite probably more ... All at least as good. In the case of M&D, not even a discussion.

The YJ B team is almost as good as A. But A isn't as good as a usual YJ team. And look out below the 19's. It goes downhill from there. No wonder CR is trying to get out now.

Yep. The 20's are not good, and since she can read the writing on the tarnished wall, she is punching out! Doesn't want to go down with the ship.

How did it work out for M&D at lax for the cure this summer?

I don't think your making any friends with the Heros parents, I'm pretty sure they would like to be left out of this discussion.

So all of these teams beat YJ blue ?

I would say based on results they are all evenly matched. Not sure if Mass elite belongs in that group

Funny. College coaches disagree w you. But I'm sure you know better.

What results are you looking at? co-champs spring club championships, finalist summer genesis, champs nat draw, champs lax for the cure, champs u15...in championship format tournaments...2-0 vs M&D, 4-0 vs heros, 1-0 vs capital...lost to skywalkers in summer genesis final...other teams never made it deep enough in tourney to play yj...it all started with some jacka$$ stating team wasnt any good and ATLEAST 4 teams were better than them...choke on the results

I was the poster sticking up for them, but in typical YJ fashion you have to start pounding your chest and leave out some results that suit you. How about G8

Great point. loss to M&D, tie w TLC and Capital.

Evidently the "G" in G8 doesn't stand for great. Any tournament with Md United and YJ 19 in it is not great. Wait...maybe the "G" stands for Good. That makes more sense.

Lol...which teams do you consider great in this age group?

M&D and thats it....

So, if a team wins 2 out of 3 against M&D, (8-4 and then 4-2 in 20 min championship game) vs losing 7-5 in a showcase...Any rational sports person would say these two teams are in the same league at least, if not saying the team that beat them twice may even be better...No chest pounding here G8 posters

On Long Island the best two teams in this age group are YJ and Liberty - we have played almost all teams in this age group from LI and these two teams are very good.

Where are our G8 pals..."great 8 should be good 8" facts got in the way of your fun? I have more results if you want, but your not going to win this one...staying away is the smart move.

Ask Carol if its Great or good. it is her tournament

Seems like its great for recruiting...prob 60-70 kids committed...serves its purpose

having a panic attack. the only school interested in my daughter is an Ivy. so 60k a year will just about wipe me out but I guess it could be great for her future.. the panic is around the grades. does anyone know what kind of GPA these Ivies need?? any info. would be appreciated..

First of all the Ivies have great need-based help so u very well might get some money. The grades depend on how good your daughter is and which Ivy. Hasn't the coach told you? standard comment is A's and B's in the toughest courses (honors/AP) preferably more As than Bs. But the best recruit can be a bit lower, a weaker lax player can be recruited for great grades.

No the coach didn't bring it up when we met. Going for a second visit in a couple weeks. Guess I will find out then.

the only school interested is an IVY? i'll venture a guess that she is an exceptional student . as previous poster pointed out the teams need a GPA stud to raise the whole teams overall GPA.

well I misspoke on that. 3 or 4 other schools have reached out but she doesn't like them for one reason or another. so my worry is the grades- a 3.3 GPA. maybe I should be proactive and bring it up to them before I drive 2 hours.

A 3.3 wont work unless she's an absolute star. Also, she will need at least a 1350 SAT. Again, unless she's a star.

At Ivy's it is all about the academic index and they take UNWEIGHTED GPAs. So you can't take no AP or Honors classes, but an A counts equally in their formula AP/Honors class or not which is why the Ivy coaches will tell you only take AP/Honors in the subjects your kid is trongest in, regular classes in the others. And test scores - ACT or SAT - counts 2x your GPA for Academic Index (AI) calculations, so test scores matter a lot and can be very valuable to an Ivy coach. They have some leeway for the highest rated recruits as they need to hit an overall AI score for the whole class.

That's really helpful thank you..

Don't panic and do not listen to the majority of trolls on this site.

There are some on this sight who can offer valuable insight but most are jealous, bitter, know nothing haters.

If an Ivy is expressing interest go take a look and hear what the coach has to say. Let the coach tell you and your daughter what GPA and Test scores she will need. She is a 2019 right? There is time to pull the grades and test scores up if you need to. I do not know the Index minimum but I do know that if the coach really wants your daughter they will wait and see if she can get the required marks. Don't listen to anyone on this site who tells you that you need to have xyz in order to get into an Ivy or you will only get xyz scholarship or you will not be able to get a real degree. They are jealous, bitter, hateful POS. They think because it didn't happen for their daughter it can't happen for your daughter.

It can happen. Your daughter can find a great fit. Go for gold and always listen to the schools who express interest.

Ivy's have a need based tuition. It is a little different for each Ivy, but they are all pretty close, since their Alumni endowment is larger than most schools. They also take into account other financial obligations you have and where you live. If your making $125k on LI, you will probably get 30-40k in aid. The link below is the aid calculator Princeton uses and is pretty accurate. So don't stress too much. Good luck!
http://admission.princeton.edu/financialaid/estimator

So I'm confused.

If my kid is a 2019 and is committed should I:

A. Feel like a bad parent for letting them commit at a young age.
B. Realize that they will never get a good education because you can't at a D1 program

C. Fret that they will be forced to pick a major they don't want
D. Automatically assume they will never see the field
E. Realize there are a lot of jealous, uninformed parents out there always looking to put kids and their families down

Hmmm.

F. my what clever musings.... who cares ?

G. Be secure enough in your decision to not care what everyone else thinks.

H. remember when you were so concerned with everyone else and put them down. while waiting to make your big announcement

I. figure out how can I be more of a pompous [lacrosse]

maybe this doesn't need to go all the way to Z. has anyone looked at the photos of fall ball play days on Laxmagazine? the game is flat physical. gotta be the most physical game this side of football. these girls are jacked, and they just get that stick straight sideways and jam it into the offensive players ribs!!

all these sophomores need to be hitting the weights big time if they have any hope of surviving the punishment the game dishes out in college...no wonder the girls have black and blue tri's at the end of a season. viscous.

Thanks for rising to the occasion and making the point. Knew you would. And knew it wouldn't take you long.

Steps beat or tied all of those teams multiple time...Steps 8-7 over Heroes Steps tie Skywalkers 7-7 Steps Beats Mass Elite all at the G8 Fall 2015 Steps beats YJ19 6-5 and Tops Guns 7-6 hmmmm

What i see are teams very close to each other, why the bragadisimo. Id say way to go all of those teams!!!!

I completely agree. they all play very close games and on any given day the games can go either way...just think Steps needs to be mentioned in the conversation once in a while. all good

I completely agree...the teams seem to pretty even at that level and games can go either way on any given day...just think Steps should be mentioned in these conversations once in a while..all good

hmmm didnot go on here to duke it out..just a friendly point..might want to take a look a current commit list for Steps ....not bad..Have a wonderful day

So you have to include T3 in the conversation also...they beat steps in that fallball showcase that steps is so conveniently left out...steps had an awesome G8...they are very good in showcases...how many tournaments have they won? Zero...their lifetime record is like 1-8 against YJ also...give the whole picture pls

That is not true. Steps has not beaten Mass Elite. They tied at Lax for the Cure 6-6 and Mass Elite beat Steps at G8 this year 8-6. Those are the only two times they have played.

Have either of these two ever won a good tournament? 2nd tier at best...nothing wrong with that.

You would think the 2019 parent group would of learned by now the game tourney and showcase results are kind of meaningless. Apparently not. Tourneys and showcases exist for the sole purpose of highlighting a players ability in club ball. No one on here factors into account some teams play absolutely evenly and some play their top 12 while the rest of the poor girls stand on the sideline and watch so the team can say we win. Frankly some of the best teams in this age group you don't hear a peep from. But keep commmeting on how good or how 2nd tier some teams are if it makes you feel good. Every team mentioned on here has had their good and bad days.

ME 2019 has best top 10 in country --- signed the members of the IWLCA. Sorry YJ. Better players, smarter, better college commitments.

STEPS 2019 has 9 commits so far including 3 Notre Dame, 1 Northwestern, 1 Stanford, 1 Florida, 1 Princeton. Not too shabby and great schools. Not saying they are the best just saying they consistently have girls commit to top lacrosse schools and academic schools year after year. Doing something right, as are a number of the better clubs.

Very good. Girls should be congratulated. Great schools. Much better than YJ.

Yes, some parents need to understand that most of us are putting in all this time and money to secure the best college placement for our daughters....not too worried about coming out with the best record at the weekend money-grab tourney....

Mass Elite 2018s
Stanford, Stanford, Northwestern, Northwestern, Harvard, Georgetown, Georgetown, Yale and more

Mass Elite 2019s
Stanford, Princeton, Northwestern, Northwestern, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Richmond and more

Agree with you. Sounds like Steps and Mass Elite aren't so second tier when it comes to what matters most.

if by better you mean 2x as expensive tuition wise then yes by all means the 9 they has is way better than the 26 YJ has. more to a great college degree and experience than a 60k price tag..

I hear you, def first tier in academics...i'm betting those are mostly private and wealthy kids...good for them...none of those schools are coming close to winning a title...M&D,skywalkers,heros and yj have kids going to those schools and also schools that will win a title. Mass Elite and Steps could be the most insecure clubs in this age group.

You should check the top ten lacrosse rankings as well as the top ten colleges academically - you'd be surprised. I guess Ohio State, Stony Brook, and Navy are closer to winning national championships than ND or Northwestern or Stanford?

I would say YJ is. The 2019 YJs aren't as good as the teams that have come before them, and the parents can't seem to accept that.

That's probably true but based on recent history it is hard to make a case for any program other than UNC or Maryland winning the title. Maybe USC in a few years.

2019s in 5 tournaments: 3 champs,1 co champ and 1 2nd. Man, those teams that came before them must have really been something, i guess they won all the tournaments they entered. With those wins and 26 commits to decent schools, seems like they did ok. One other thing, if your not a yj parent, you really keep track of the yj teams of the past? LIttle Weird

Have had daughters play them moron. And now have one in this age group. Maybe you don't know it, but the 2019 YJs are nowhere near what some of the classes that have come before them were like. You can keep coming back to the 26 commits if you want. That just speaks to the marketing machine, and it's a good one. Your insecurity is showing through loud and clear.

So we're supposed to take your word for what teams were considered the best, Who the [lacrosse] are you? Throw some age groups out there, and while your at it, your club. In regard to the 26 commit comment, steps and mass elite posting schools their kids are going to, to show their teams are good. i say yj has 26 commits and you say team isnt good, its all marketing. Can't have it both ways girls lax guru

Well not really. No Stanford, no Princeton, no Harvard, no Northwestern. So no, YJ does not have many 2019 kids going to "those schools".

YJ is good. I did not say they aren't good. Just not as good as older teams. You know it, I know it. Everyone who has been around for a while knows it. And not as good as you want them to be. It's ok. Don't have to go too far back. Try your 2018 team for starters. 2016 team, a wagon. 2019, not in the same category.

214 and 2015 were better

Yeah, your right, only have yale, 4 dukes, nd, 2 Uvas to go along with a few umd,unc and cuse kids who will prob win a few national titles...seems like a pretty good mix

And the 2008 and 2009 were better than the 14s and 15s. I never said they were the best team ever, just saying they're pretty good. People coming on here saying 19s are the worst top team ever and how all these other 19 teams are better...it gets old, don't know what this team has done to anybody...

a great mix. and the added benefit is they can avoid the insane liberal ramblings of the Princeton and Harvard elites railing against capitalism and other American values. see how that works out.. 60k for the pleasure

Decent age group, but less competitive than usual for YJ. Most age groups have a strong core and a few standout studs to carry them through the tough games. This age has a very solid core but missing the few horses to ride on. Still have to be considered in top 5 in nation, and that's great. The only team YJ needs to worry about is 2023, right now they are way off the mark.

Actually I think the 2016 did win all the tournaments they entered when they were rising sophomores but I could be wrong

sorry UVA is not in same category. Yale and Dukes yup. so actually fewer kids going to top academic schools you r right. But they are all great kids I'm sure and have great situations for each of them. They are to be commended. They just aren't the dominant team that prior YJ teams have been. they r very good, on par w other top teams, they just don't stand out like some of the others did.

Wow. "UVA is not in the same category." College tier-rankings by a lacrosse dad. You can see the full list of his top schools on his red cup.

a great mix. and the added benefit is they can avoid the insane liberal ramblings of the Princeton and Harvard elites railing against capitalism and other American values. see how that works out.. 60k for the pleasure[/quo

Ahhhh. The guy who knows all about American values. Probably voting for the guy that wants to limit free speech, doesn't actually understand capitalism (see free trade), wants to ban an entire religion, admits to assaulting women, thinks brutal dictators are the guys to emulate as President of the United States ... you mean those American values? Not the American values that Ronald Reagan espoused. I'd gladly send my kid to the same Princeton and Harvard that that bastion of Liberalism, Ted Cruz, attended. How could that be possible????

UVA is a top 3 public university, beautiful campus and fantastic athletic support--you are clueless.

good. Hopefully Stiglitz or one of the others will talk her into be a community organizer or pro bono advocate. need more of those. 60k donation well spent.. enjoy

Or maybe she'll get the best education in the country while playing a sport she loves. Ivies supply plenty of financial aid for those in need. Your bitterness is evident

[quote=Anonymous]Or maybe she'll get the best education in the country while playing a sport she loves. Ivies supply plenty of financial aid for those in need. Your bitterness is evident


grab the tape in the middle of your glasses and take the pens and pocket protector out of your shirt pocket. "your bitterness is evident"??? thems fightin' words.. yikes.

Its truly amazing to read these weak minded comments from some of these forum trolls. Wow. Bashing which schools are this and which schools are that... How about this trolls:These girls have accomplished something that 99% of kids have not. They worked hard in both the classroom and on the field and earned an opportunity of a lifetime! Kudos to all these girls!

no, not bitter. scared for what openly socialist professors are teaching these impressionable kids. and planning on paying for my kids college myself, not gonna rely on debt or need based anything. but in return I'd like them to learn about productive enterprise. self reliance and hard work not transfer payment mindset and rabble rousing so common on elitist university campuses these days..

And you think that is exclusive to elitist university campuses?? Whatever you mean by elitist...it is on almost every college campus, there was a reason why Bernie Sanders had the college vote by far.
It is up to the individual student to take away what they need to.
My goodness stop debating what is better, pick a school that feels right academically and athletically and get on with it. No one size fits all for anyone and no one is better than anyone else D1, D2, or D3.
All is good if the girl and family is happy...that's all.

YAWN. And really just a distraction from the topic, which is that YJ 2019 is a very good, not great team and not in the same league as prior iterations. That is NOT an indictment on the girls. They have all done great things and have great college opportunities. They just are not the dominant lacrosse force that teams before them have been.

Yeah ok. No successful "productive enterprise" people coming out of Harvard, Stanford, Princeton etc. You done be a moron. But of course arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are, the bird is going to S#@! on the board and strut around like it won anyway. Commence strutting, dude.

what a burn. and the street lingo made it that much more legit.

It was a legit point. To claim that Harvard and Princeton don't produce productive, enterprising, self-reliant and hard-working graduates is about as stupid a comment as I have seen on here. And there's a lot of competition.

hey counselor (very glad your not mine) at no point did I say there are NO hard working or enterprising young folks at Harvard or Princeton. don't project onto me a blanket stupid statement. simply said I'd rather the professors like Stiglitz and others not bad mouth our country and our capitalist system while I pay them 60k. if you chose to be in company with socialists that's your business. go crazy have at it.

This is a lax forum, i know everybody wants to send their kids to the best academic schools, but come on its getting a little crazy...go find an academic forum.

"but in return I'd like them to learn about productive enterprise. self reliance and hard work not transfer payment mindset and rabble rousing so common on elitist university campuses these days.." your words idiot

I tried the academic forum first but there are a bunch of YJ parents over there talking lacrosse.

yeah and now that there's professional women's lacrosse they are going to make tons of dough now. so stop with the books and grades and junk

too legit to quit /// oooh ohh

Anybody have examples of girls committing without going to that particular college's camp? I'm curious, because I don't know of any. And I think it makes sense. But I believe it shows the low value represented by tournaments as it relates to recruiting. (I think there are other benefits like improving your game, having fun with teammates etc.) I think narrowing list to realistic places to play and then attending camps is the best bang for the buck. Thoughts?

Yes, I have a 2019 that is sitting on offers from several of her top schools (did not go to their camps) and is waiting on several others whose camps she did attend...

Ok thx. The ones where she didn't attend camps, how did that process start and then evolve? I assume they saw her at tournaments and then she visited campus etc? Congrats to your daughter and best of luck with decision.

My 2019 committed after not attending camp. She had an offer from another school after not attending camp. She also did attend a camp that paid off in terms of that coach immediately reaching out.
All her looks from various schools came from fall and summer recruit tourneys, and, other venues such as select games, select events. If someone notices your daughter at tourneys, it is a fast turnaround in terms of them reaching out.

Why you waiting? offers just ok? just trying to get a feel whats going on. thanks

So basically you need to do a mix of tournaments,clinics and camps?

Yes, she plays on a top club team and was recognized during the summer tourney season--made trips to campuses soon after schools reached out to club. Hang in there--if your daughter wants to play in college there are many opportunities she will have

My daughter got interest from summer tourney from a school that she didn't doncamp Got invite to campus etc. she also go interest from camps at 2 other schools she was interested in as well with offers. Schools do like for kids to come to camp
Because it's a more
Personal setting to evaluate the player. I guess it really depends on the coach and how they recruit.

agreed on fast turn around. But our experience was that after that, the next step was usually to come either to camp, or to prospect day (which often had a clinic/camp that weekend) etc. seemed to us that most places, at least towards the upper end of D1 programs, liked to get first-hand experience and be able to coach directly. Interesting to hear that is not how it works sometimes.

Our experience was that our daughter got noticed at tournaments and then coaches reached out to her club coach and schedules calls to get to know her and express interest. In two cases she went to their camps during her rising sophomore summer and was then offered, and in another case she didn't go to their camp but did a visit with other top recruits and they offered after that. If the notion is skip the tournaments and just do the camps, I think that is a flawed approach. The coaches typically identify who they have interest in at the tournaments and then schedule calls, invite to camp and or a visit and then offer if academics and athletics are a match.

Happy to share: We are making our daughter wait for the following reasons: 1) no school with offer on the table has given her a deadline (yet); 2) she is barely 15 and even though she thinks she knows everything already we as her parents feel it is important to take our time with this decision; 3) fall tourney season starts in a week and this may provide more opportunities if she plays well; 4) she would be happy with taking one of the offers she has, but we are waiting to see if one of the "are you kidding me you can get into that school!" programs offers her after the fall season assuming she plays well. This will be her only opportunity to go through this process (and yes, I understand that it is non-binding at this point) so we think it is important to take our time. I have been through this with older children and I don't feel the need to allow her commit early so that she can crow about it to Ty Xanders and others who trumpet this stuff.

This past summer my step daughter commited as a rising soph to a top tier d1 team. At this point my husband is questioning whether that was a wise choice. Maybe should've waited for fall tournaments as perhaps a sweeter offer would come. I have however heard(and not sure if true) that once a kid boy or girl commits, it brings the other coaches curiosity up. There's poaching in everything

Yes, that's why we have counselled our daughter to wait-- we will be more informed buyers after the fall season. I can understand committing earlier if it is a "are you kidding me you can get into that school!" but in our book there are only 2 or 3 of those for us and they have not offered her yet. Now, if one of those 2 or 3 schools does not offer her at the end of the fall season, she will gladly accept one of the offers she already has or potentially consider others that might come in during/after fall ball.

Funny you say that. My daughter got a good offer from a school she really doesn't love. So we didn't do anything with that right now. However if her top choice offered today. Sold!

Curious as to the " are you kidding me list ", unless your child is top 5 in their class and 1400 sat ( which she may be ) that is a long list.

I would imagine the "are you kidding me you can get into that school!" list is the top 3 or 4 schools of US News WR that have competitive lax.

We waited until Fall of junior year after visiting several schools. Decided on a D2 3 hours away instead of D1 a plane ride away. 2 of my daughters friends jumped the gun and committed as sophomores to D1 schools that they never visited and now as seniors are realizing they will be 4-5 hour plane ride from home AND the current freshmen did not play much in their fall season and are miserable. Another girl we know was forced to commit to a school near Canada because it was her only offer and her obnoxious father wants to tell people she's playing D-1. I predict all will be home after first season. Parents- do your homework. Trust your daughters, nobody cares what division they play for- let them make the decision! They're the ones that will be going away, not you! Offers will come right up until senior year so enjoy the process. Fall ball tourneys are under rated, that's where so many scouts go and are able to see the athletes clearer. Best of luck

Very good post. Spot on!

As another example, my kid committed in the summer after sophomore year, but she had already visited 8 schools, starting in summer after freshman year. Compared to above poster it was a year earlier but we have a good sample size, and felt like my daughter could make an educated, informed decision. She's in freshman year now and very happy.

WOW - a sane lax parent, obviously well thought out. Congrats on doing what's right for your daughter.

Thanks to everyone for all the responses. I think this type of information is great in a forum like this. Clearly not one size fits all in this process. The more stories that are shared, the more helpful for current and future families going through the recruiting process.

For my kid it would be:

Stanford, Duke, NU, Ivies and a few others

I think some kids do not want nor can go to ivy but wantt to pllay at a school with a top program and still get a great education. What schools do you think fit that bill

lots.

You and the rest of the wealthy and private school kids.

Why is that your answer? We are not wealthy and my kid goes to a public school. The Ivies give the best need aid of all colleges and the others have just as many scholarships as everyone else. Unless your in-state schools are a good match, why would you not think these schools are amazing opportunities??

Your the exception, look at the commit lists for these schools.

well i don't know a lot of the kids but 2 that i do know that r committed to Ivies are both public school kids. I guess they are not the majority, but lax is generally a pretty high class demographic to begin with. And w aid packages and scholarships (at non-ivies), if the kid has the grades, these places seem pretty good to me. By no means the only places. I don't want to be accused of snobbery. Was just responding to the poster that asked what the "are you kidding me you can get into that school!" list for people was. That is mine for my kid.

Sorry but Ivies are for the financially needy and the rich at this point especially if you have multiple kids . Duke , Stanford are better options for the upper middle class at this point and then there are the UVA , UNC , BC types on the next level if you want excellent academics and highly competitive girls lax .

Mass Elite 2019 red is one of the top teams in this age group.. I'm from Connecticut and my daughter plays on a weaker club team, but I have seen this girls play. The majority of the best players on the New England Under Armour team were on Mass Elite and they smoked team LI.

Sorry just not true. You can become more informed if you actually go to the financial aid calculators at Harvard's site for an example. If you live in NY and have annual income of 200k and assets of 500k not including house, you get close to half of the cost covered by aid if you have two kids in college. Now if you consider that financially needy, ok, but i don't. Ivies are way more generous w aid and to much higher thresholds than most non-ivies. Now of course having the grades and the playing ability are not easy. But the cost of going to an Ivy for a middle-class family is not the main problem relative to many other schools out there.

Do they play lax in New England?

You are spot on BUT, two qualifiers:

1. Ivies offer no merit scholarships.
2. Ivies offer no athletic scholarships.

So, there really is no one correct answer. Depends on the parents finances, the kids academics, and the kids athletic ability as to which schools are more affordable. But you are right, meeting 100% of financial need, as the Ivies do, might make a huge difference in the costs depending on one's finances.

not really apparently. One decent club in a geographic region that's 3x the size of the tri state area. jokeola.

A decent club?? who do you think you are. These girls are committed to top D1 schools. Northwestern,Notre Dame,Boston College,Princeton,Stanford to name a few. They have some of the best players in the country and the Under Armour tournament is proof of this.

Pathetic, mass elite has never won anything. They may have smart kids, but none of those teams winning the lax title. It's all about academics in new england.

You are extremely short-sighted. Most reasonable parents of lax-playing kids at this level are using lax to get into great colleges. Who cares about winning G8 Tourney in NJ in July 2016! What I care about is my 2019 played well that weekend and got offers from Ivies and several other great schools. Really, are you trying to be a parody of an idiot lax parent? Peace out.

how far do the girls drive to get to practice? from what I understand its basically a regional, multi state organization and you still have never put a trophy on the mantle. but some solid wins so be happy about it. just don't expect people to be overly impressed because you have a fraction of the D1 commits of YJ or M&D and a handful of others who, by the way, have won dozens of tournaments each.

My personal experience was very different. My daughter had the athletic ability and grades to attend the Ivies but our household income exceeds qualifying for any financial assistance. We certainly are not rich by long island standards and having multiple kids who will be attending college at the same time made paying 250000 for college an impossibility. Went to a great school and will come out with no debt so it worked out.

You're wrong the girls on this team live in Massachusetts. You clearly do not know what your talking about.The girls on this team are on the same level if not better than the YJ. The 2019 YJ team is all hype.

I think this poster said their kid was NOT on Mass Elite but that his/her daughter played w some of the girls at Under Armour. So I think this was a very reasonable, unaffiliated opinion. Some of those commits you refer to had offers from North Carolina and other places you might deem to be quite good lax schools. They chose other places. Different choices for different families, and no "right" answer. Just to clarify, Mass Elite generally draws from south and west of Boston, including Rhode Island. Providence is only about 35-40 minutes from where ME practices. They get the occasional players from the north side of Boston, but the traffic can be tough for practice. So probably a bit more "regional" than clubs in other areas, but not crazily so. The 2019 ME team happens to be a very strong class for the program. Where most grades at Mass Elite are good but in the second tier of clubs behind the YJs etc, I think it is fair to put the 2019s in the top tier category. They can generally play with anyone and if they were to shorten their bench like some clubs do, I would guess can beat anybody on any given day. Not that lists are the end all be all, but two of the players are on the top 20 sophomore Young Guns IL list and that doesn't include the girl that was the overall MVP at UA, someone who probably could/should be on there. Not looking to get in an argument, just saw these posts on here and wanted to put some perspective around it. For the record, my daughter plays for Mass Elite, but bounces between our "A" and "B" teams. The age group all practices together and tournament rosters are set for each tournament separately. Unlike other programs where the teams are set for the season. Girls get moved up and down throughout the year depending on who signs up for a tournament and how they have been progressing. So I know these girls and families pretty well. They are a good group. Sometimes frustratingly so

Sounds fair enough, I would not use UA as a benchmark for how good the mass elite 2019 team is but again a very solid team from what I have seen. Would I put them in top 5 , no but definitely knocking on the door.

I would. But to each their own. How many times have you seen them play? Can't imagine very often. And for sure you haven't seen them shorten their bench, because they never do. So it's a hypothetical argument anyway, and one that doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things anyway.

top 5:M&D, YJ, SW, Capital and Heros in no particular order TG,ME,Liberty,TLC and Steps next 5 in no particular order.

That means a lot that your saying people haven't seen them play often...maybe start playing in competitive tournaments.

Usually true. Not in this age group. ME has never lost to the group you put them in. But all on here are correct, they don't get to play a lot against the better competition. If they did regularly, it would make them better. Wish they could.

anyone heading down to this Navy rivalry tournament this sunday? anyone been there and is a good site for a tourney, good fields and places to watch?

Beautiful location--right on the river...and you can walk out the gates and be right in downtown Annapolis. The only issue will be parking--you can't park on the base and parking tight in Annapolis. i understand they are running shuttle buses from navy stadium which is a good thing.

Most fields overlook the river and being on the grounds and seeing the young people who are making a such an important commitment will fill you with pride, especially in such a dark time politically.

I live in Annapolis. Great venue for lacrosse, food, history and shopping. I don't think there will be any vendors onsite though. Parking is at Navy-Marine Corps Stadium with frequent buses to the venue. Enjoy your visit.

It's a good school. LOTS of good schools in the country. Cool your jets Halsey. 'murica!

shut it yah liberal panty waste. nothing wrong with patriotism.

YJ 2019 announced commitment to Hofstra yesterday and the sun still came up this morning. Shocking! (For those who are slow, please note the sarcasm before responding.)

I love that our club doesn't announce, publicize or in anyway promote the commitments of the girls in our program. And before the trolling starts, there are a lot of them. Usually between 20-30 D1 and similar amounts of D2/D3. There is nothing posted about them until their freshman years in college, when you can see where the club alumni went. Lead with developing strong, talented young women and the rest follows. It actually isn't all about the rat race to early commitments. Would love to see others follow that lead.

Relax Halsey! You have no idea who you're talking to. I am a PROUD military vet and patriotic. Just because I do not buy-in to the hype of the romanticism of a service academy does not make me unpatriotic. It just means that I am a grown-up and have preferences and opinions. And, conversely, being all up in the rear end of a service academy does not make you patriotic. I have a personal friend and co-worker who is a former Navy officer but (probably shockingly to you) he did not attend the Naval Academy. He got a GREAT education at Notre Dame, joined ROTC, attended OCS, and was commissioned as an officer. Arguably at a better academic institution. So, again...relax. 'murica!

what club is this? you must be joking, no announcement, please document this absurd claim..

Fact. Not an absurd claim. There are no commitments on their website. The club makes no announcements or congratulations on social media etc.

If you are so proud why all the cloak and dagger about the club name?

what club? whats the name?

What do you think of it? Do you think it's a good thing? If so, do you wish your club behaved that way?

Somebody has an ax to grind!

Trying to figure out what club you are talking about. You just described 40-60 commitments in your description "Usually between 20-30 D1 and similar amounts of D2/D3. " . The top clubs with recruiting are M&D and YJ and they only have between 40-50 commits per age group. This must be some super secret club that puts all the other clubs recruits to shame.

Imaginary club, don't take the bait

It's not a problem and we understand where you are coming from. Many great students, strong leaders, and outstanding athletes apply to the Naval Academy each year and do not get it. You should not take it personally.

We are all grateful for your service and remember, it's not where you start (Ensign or 2nd LT for instance) but where you finish (ranting on a girls lacrosse forum).

Go Navy!

No axe to grind. I'm just amazed that so many people seem to think that since a kid goes to a military academy they must be a top-notch kid. Uber patriotic, straight A's, perfect SAT, ma'am and sir BEFORE they went to the academy, never curse, etc. Nothing could be further from the truth for most of them. They're just regular kids who have chosen to attend a military academy to get a good education and (hopefully) become good military officers one day, and possibly parlay that into a successful career outside of the military. Not all who graduate become good officers, and some enlisted (and some other officers) actually prefer an officer who did not attend an academy. This isn't the 40's or 50's with John Wayne and Gene Autry. From a lacrosse perspective, they're an okay team that plays a weak schedule. So, no axe to grind...just educating the public.

Sorry you did not get in

Nobody held them up as paragons of virtue. However, in a day and age when most of the country (especially the youth) are entitled and narcissistic and when such a small percentage of the population chooses to serve, I think you would be better off selecting other targets than kids who choose to attend our nation's service academies.

You do come off as sort of a sourpuss and perhaps even a tad envious. You sound like a jilted lover.

As for educating the public, we appreciate your attempt at that particular service but again, it really isn't necessary.

You come across as some sort of pompous jackass who feels you are somehow special because your 14 year old committed 9 years of their life away . It's a great school and certainly those who are attending should be proud but let's not pretend that the students who select a military academy are the greatest academic or greatest athletes out there. I have seen many parents push their kids to certain schools because they like the price tag and this is no different.

Sorry you did not get in sir. We hope this opportunity to air your grievances publicly proves theraputic.

Thank you for echoing my sentiments. You probably said it better than I.

It's not a super secret club. u know the name. I just looked on website to count to see if my guess on numbers was accurate. They haven't posted 2016 grads yet. In '14 class there were 34 D1 players and 17 D2/D3. In '15 class there were 20 D1 players and 19 D2/D3. Scanning a little, those actually look like pretty good bookends. The '14 class looks high on D1 number. I would say my guesses were pretty accurate, but more like 20-25 D1 per year w '14 being a strong year. So 40-50 total per year, half D1 is about right.

And no commitments on website.

Very few '14s went to top level lax schools...

Sorry you had your 13 year old commit 9 years of their life to something they could not possibly have the capacity to understand because you are too cheap to want to have to reach into your pocket to get her an education .

??

What do you mean? There were plenty of good lax schools and plenty of good academic/lax schools. And once again, the point is they do not promote the commitments and do not post them. Very cool, and very different these days.

Who are you kidding? Very cool? Its killing you, your dying to promote them.

Is Boston College considered a top level school?

Is UNC? Is Florida? Is NU? Is Duke? I think so. Guess you don't... Knew this would devolve into this. It is great that the club doesn't promote their commitments. It sets a great tone for the program. Everyone complains about the motivations of clubs etc. Why don't you just say that it's a good example to set by this club director and wish more would behave this way? No, instead you want to try to disparage the girls as somehow being inferior.

Academically?

Nice try - ME finally decided to venture out for a competitive tournament and lost to Heros 7-3 and Sky Walkers 9-6 at the G8 last summer.

BC finished last season ranked #19. According to Forbes rankings of America's top colleges, BC is ranked #22. The average GPA for admitted students in the class of 2020 is 3.8. I would say this is a top level school by multiple standards.

I LOVE that our club announces those accomplishments of the players!

I love that our club does too. Why do they consider it "cool" or good that their club doesn't? I guess they want to be like Md United. Md United doesn't post their rosters on the website. You have to register and log in with your email address id they allow you to do that. Monkey see, monkey do.

So you think they are on the same level as these schools? I was just wondering because it seems like they have a lot of top notch recruits.

Nice try. Heros and Skywalkers both had 5 subs on the bench. ME 11 and rotated evenly.

IMO, any school that is top 25 academically and top 25 lax program is a top program.

And this about right for both Hero's and Sky Walkers - 5 subs and a goalie on the bench. And they also rotated evenly. What's your point? Dance with who you bring to the dance? IF the 11 ME players are not up to par - take it up with your club. In Maryland - looks like they just take the girls that belong on that team. And in Maryland they also do not have the luxury of pulling players from such a large area - there are just too many clubs competing for the talent.
I guess you are the dad that has his roster with him on the sideline and stopwatch - to make sure that his girl gets equal playing time. In Maryland that equal playing time thing ended in rec ball - in club - they earn their playing time.
That was such a lame excuse. Next year at G8 bring only the players that should be playing and leave the excuses at home.

What a beautiful day at Navy. Great location and I hope it ends up helping Navy with recruiting.

not an excuse, just a fact. Wish we would. Not how the program is run. But ultimately they do a great job preparing the girls and they have a good time. They would win more if they did as you suggest. Have a great day!

agreed!!

Why is there no section for 2019 recruits in laxpower

Because these are verbals--not official. And reasonable families don't blast this stuff out until they actually sign.

Who is going to McDonogh this weekend? Chipolte and Panerra are within 3 miles as are other good options....

There is section for 2018 commits and up, and they have most of the recruits in that class. So you are clearly uninformed about that. Please don't post if you don't know what your're talking about.

Why are there 17s and 18s on laxpower? 17s were verbals until yesterday...

It is stupid to post anything this early---girls will become increasingly like the boys and will start flipping their commitments in ever-larger numbers. And McDonogh is one of nicest places to play--but not looking forward to drive down.

Another weekend of MD teams beating up on LI teams.

You're worried about commitments from HS seniors and juniors? In the past months, most commitments I've heard about are from HS sophomores and even freshmen.

The point is there is no such thing as a solid commitment until signing day senior year. And really, stupid to evaluate the classes until the kids are closer to actually matriculating.

That's fine and good, except 95% of commitments are coming from verbal much sooner than that. They are verbal, but as good as gold. Terms, scholarships, all details of offer are all discussed and decided between coach and player/parents, and are exchanged in formal email. I have never heard of anyone scammed by a coach, even new incoming coaches honor verbal deals from exiting coaches. It is pretty rock solid.

No, you are wrong--new coaches sometimes don't honor. And if you go Ivy, every year a number of kids don't make the grade....literally.

Not just Ivies. Two girls didn't make it through admissions for the class that is freshman this year at Duke and 1 at Stanford. Probably more I don't know about elsewhere. Need to hit the ACT/SAT scores outlined, GPA, and number of AP/Honors classes at the top academic schools.

Exactly, terms of offer were not met, of course there will be commits that don't live up to the agreement and the commitment is lost, that sorta goes without saying.

You are completely out of your mind . If you are exchanging the deal in a formal email you and your future college coaches are committing a major NCAA violation. It's called s verbal for a reason.

I have to believe the posters coming on here bashing the verbals, are the ones that don't have one.

Not sure who you are aiming that at but to say you and your college coach are putting the deal in emails tells me you do not have a verbal and is misleading. That said the verbal agreements seem to be followed thru upon by just about 100 percent of coaches.

Okay folks, let me try to help, based on our experience only.
My daughter was a 2016, and is now a freshman at a D1 school in a mid-major conference.
Summer after freshman year (2013) of high school she started to get interest from a couple of schools. She made her first unofficial visit (that means we paid for the trip, per NCAA regs)during August of that summer. Over the next year she (we) made 7 more visits. During the summer after her sophomore year she started to get offers. Most of the time, percentages and such was not discussed in detail, but on two occasions it was discussed. During June 2014 (summer after sophomore year) she decided on which school and team she wanted. As instructed by her club coach, she then called the college head coach to accept the offer. We did not have a lot of detail but we knew it was a good offer. So, at this time, it was nothing more than a VERBAL commitment between her and the school. In November of her senior year of high school she signed her NLI. At no time were any details of the offer exchanged via email. I think that would be a violation of NCAA recruiting regs. As a matter of fact, no emails were exchanged prior to the legal date that such emails can be exchanged from college to player, which I believe is September of junior year of high school. Even then, it was after the verbal and fully within NCAA regs. Her club coaches are former college coaches and know the rules inside and out. I suggest anyone going through the process now to get very educated on what is and is not legal. It's not hard to do the research.
As a side note, be realistic about how much the coach can offer. Remember, at most, the coach has 12 scholarships to hand out, across the team. So, do the math...30 players on a team divided by 12 scholarships. Most will get somewhere in the 20-25% range. Sometimes the upper classmen will get a little more as they go up the ladder. Everybody doesn't get an equal amount. If the team is not fully-funded then the coach has fewer scholarships to give and the percentages will be lower. Good luck.

Tons of talent at McDonogh this weekend. Anyone not going?

Thanks for the input, but when you said"we did not have a lot of details, but we knew it was a good offer" the only real details you needed were percentage of tuition or total cost...Did you have those details? When my daughter was going through the process, all her teammates had the details that mattered in making the decision. IMO i dont think people should be making decisions without having the details, You dont want people reading this and saying its ok to not have details and commit, think thats the wrong message here.

My daughter committed September of her sophomore year to a top 10 lacrosse program. When she was verbally offered by the coach over the phone, the coach told her the scholarship percentage which was a percentage applied to all-in costs for everything (tuition, books, room and board). We (her parents) spoke to the coach on that same call to confirm all of the details. My daughter called her back the following day to accept the offer and make a verbal commitment. We never got anything in writing other than her word. She will sihn her NLI early next year. that is how it worked for my daughter (she is a 2018).

You're right. My mistake...kinda got lost in translation. What I meant to say was that when the initial offer would come from a coach, especially from a school my daughter wasn't really interested in, all we knew was that the coach was making an offer, and it was up to us to contact the coach and ask those questions. Most of the time we didn't really pursue the offer other than to say thank you. That's how I should've written it. But, when it came down to the two she was interested in, we asked for further info about percentages and if it was a percentage of just tuition or a percentage of total cost. My daughter took the offer of percentage of total cost and it was at the school she liked more anyways. Thanks for calling me out on that. I do not want to pass on bad info. Trying to help.

To the original point, yes verbals are given and it is a rock solid offer. The original poster was saying it means nothing, when in fact it means everything. Any and all the details of the offer are or at least should be discussed, bargained and negotiated all during the verbal process.

I recently read on one of the BOTC forums that yj doesn't post their commitments on their website, for some strange reason. I read that they think it's cool to not post them. However, I just went to their website for the first time, and their college commitments are clearly listed, going all the way back to 2004. And, there were actually some posters who were saying that it was a good thing to not post commitments. Why would it be a good thing? However, they're not special...just another club lax team.

I think you are confusing interest with an offer. Coaches will reach out to talk, set up a visit, etc. an offer may follow or it may not.

Your very confused on all your points. you need to regroup.

First why post if you are clueless , no one said YJ does not post commitments . Second to say their committment list is like any other club is just silly .

why was yj 2019 in a super weak group in md this weekend?

Because they're not good.

wow that a real zinger to the 30 or so 2019 YJ commits.

U15 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS

Could someone actually answer the question? All the MD top teams were in a different pool from YJ. That is unusual, isn't it??

I get that it is the next tier down from the top teams. But the ME 2019 girls can only play who they r scheduled against. Beat Phantastix 8-4, EagleStix 13-4 and Steps 9-5 this weekend. They belong in the upper tier. They can compete with the upper tier. Not arguing that they r the best team in the country. Just that they belong in the discussion w YJ, and the top MD teams. And yes, wish they could play those teams more often. It would make them better.

Fall Tourneys are a first come first serve sign up basis. The Teams are not the same as in formal Summer League - it is a good mix of all levels of players on any given YJ Fall team.

gotcha thx

gotcha thx

They could play them they just elect not to. Until they win a few of those games against the actual top teams they are not even in the discussion.

The Under Armour Tournament. There was a group of Mass Elite Girls that made this team strong and dominated LI and killed Philly who beat Baltimore. These girls are committed to Notre Dame,Princeton,Boston College and Northwestern. The highlight of that team for the weekend it's worth a watch on youtube.

You are an idiot , first off how your region plays against another region in the UA tournament has no relation to how your club team is .Second when you win in OT by calling for a stick check to get the winning goal overturned is not exactly domination .The funny thing is if that's the best you got in terms of showing why the Mass Elite Girls should be considered a top tier travel team it's sad.

The Under Armour is a joke . Teams are picked by politics! Its not a good representation of the real players within the states.

Most of the girls on LI were on the yellow jackets.... they didn't look so great. First game NE spanked LI 12-6,maybe politics for other regions but not for NE in this age group. I would love to see them play some better teams, but you people are being dumb denying they are a top level team.

Obviously your kid got cut but unless you watch the players at the tryouts not sure how you would know that.Sounds like sour grapes.

I have to agree at least coming out of LI, the UA teams aren't the best representation of talent. I don't think as a whole that Mass Elite is an upper tier program, but I've watched their 2019 Red Team and it is a special group

You seem desperate to have the 2019 ME team be considered a top tier team. Couple of facts about UA, it was a mixed age event, it had many kids from many different travel teams on both teams, you had about 5 YJ 2019 top team kids on the LI team, you won the playoff game because of a stick check. Why would any of that make you feel as if your 2019 ME team should be considered a top tier team, because you are desperate.

This is the point. Thank you. Agreed.

What is the point? Your happy with not a top tier but a special group?

You people are truly insufferable and arguing amongst yourselves. Move on to the next topic please. Enough already.

Anyone see college fall ball this fall? How was shot clock?

Almost a non-factor..although the fall games don't usually see a stall. I think this will be Good change and In fact the possession clock may be further reduced 25 or 30 seconds eventually

thx. Also, played w new high school rules this weekend for first time. Liked the draw set up. Didn't see much kicking of the ball, but like that change as well.

So far, I liked it. I saw several turnovers when a team didn't shoot in time. It definitely made the game move more than the sleep-inducing stall.

haha ..was waiting for the comment about being cut from UA..lol she chose to play in the US School Girls Tourney which was loaded with D1 coaches. Smarter choice as she is now committed to a Top 5 Team. Guess which one! Have a wonderful day!

My daughter did both, but good for you!

Its not like an either or, you can do both, if your kid did not even try out for UA how do you know its all politics.Very doubtful your kid heading to a top 5 school as you seem like an insecure [lacrosse].

Summer Schedule was crazy last year had to prioritize her time. Was told by several people that School Girls was the better choice as the playoffs were in Philly that weekend and Tourney was in Lehigh Valley. Many coaches would be in the area for the weekend and boy were they ever. It was a who's who.

Did my homework chump. Better exposure at School Girls. Compare the schools that attended both and get back to me ..lol. And No quite secure in her choice to play for a Top 5 program. Sounds like you are the one who is insecure? Is you kid not committed is that reason for your childish attack? Have a wonderful day.

I don't think they were the same weekends, The national tournament was memorial day weekend. UA was the Fourth of July weekend, both big recruiting tournaments.

Guess what.....You don't have to worry about what tourney your in if your kid does their wall ball, shooting, strength and agility training as well as other sports. Also hits the books. Believe me the coaches will find them pretty quickly.

Control what you can control. And that is the above. It works.

I would not call school girls a recruiting event as most girls that play are already committed. At least that was the case on LI a few years back

The key word is prioritize. yes they were not on the same weekend. I chose to send her to a college camp of a school she was interested in at the time. Bottom line in my opinion I believe if your kid has a choice the School Girls is a better option. Just my opinion.

You are obviously an idiot and now it is apparent your kid is not going to a top 5 program .Your kid also obviously did not make team 1 at schoolgirls because if she had you would know that there were some but not a lot of coaches at team 1 games.As far as attacking I was just trying to see why you think schoolgirls tryouts are less political than UA, obviously because your superstar got cut at UA.

Could not agree more!!! Mine got picked by a school she didn't even have on her list and did not attend their camp. Was told they watched her 4 or 5 times at various venues. They found her.

Guys (or gals), seriously? Call someone a chump and then claim childish attack? Get a grip.
Both events were good uses of time. Frankly school girls was a more risky choice since the coaches really could only evaluate 1 day of it vs. multiple days of UA.
But good for you. And if you asked 10 people on here their definition of "Top 5", you'd get 20 different answers. Lucky for you this site is anonymous, because any coach reading your comments would quickly find a way out.

Agreed. My daughter did neither UA or Schoolgirls and is now a freshman at a D1. No requirement to attend either of the political money-grab events. I can say it's political because of personal knowledge...A girl who couldn't even make her BAD high school team was chosen for Schoolgirls Team 1, while another kid I know was not chosen, and she was 1st team All-Metro in the Baltimore area. Guess what? For the girl who was chosen, her dad was an evaluator. Lots more stories like this one out there. So, once we heard about this crap, we chose NOT to attend and it all worked out fine. My daughter was chosen 1st team all-county and 1st team coaches choice all-county, in Maryland. Both of those awards mean much more than some crappy, political "team". Good luck.

Should be playing in those two tournaments for region pride...plenty of other recruiting tournaments.

wow you are an angry man...must be frustrated by something. Perhaps the process has been a little difficult for you? I was at Lehigh I witnessed the amount of coaches that were there. We were contacted by a few that attended through the normal channels. IE: emails forwarded through club director. Etc. So maybe it didn't work out for you? Well my advice is to tell your kid to work hard on and off the field and hit the books. It might happen.

Ding ding! GOD I wish there were more smart people like you on this site.

Dude you really are such a loser, you come onto this site to brag about your kid because she is playing at a top program and say the schoolgirls tourney is so wonderful then go on to bash those that did UA. My kid did both because she enjoys playing not as a tool to get recruited. Honestly people who have kids that are committed to a top school are generally secure enough in their kids not to bash other kids accomplishments and be a blowhard about their own.

Mr. I was at Lehigh,
How about being a little less pompous and self righteous? For those in the know, what you've really told us is: thank god for School Girls because your daughter, while possibly being good, wasn't really considered a top player before that event. Top players at top programs had significant dialogue, offers, or commitments long before that weekend. Could still be at a top program, but just so you're aware she isn't considered a top player at that program like you think she is. Likely has very good grades and good for her.

I'm bringing up the following info as a way to counteract the yj bragging, to show that there are VERY GOOD players at other clubs besides yj. Integrity has 7 2019 commits so far: Two to the University of Florida, two to the Naval Academy, one to Penn State, one to Jacksonville and one to the University of Hartford. I know the number is only 7, but Integrity is a small club with only one team per age group. So, get over yourselves yj parents. By the way, I'm not an Integrity parent. I just saw their posting and checked out their website. For a small club, they have an impressive list of commits at all ages. From my research, it looks like most clubs send their players to the same type of colleges, regardless of which club they play for.

Ladies, you done now?...just take the slap fight somewhere else..

Is this a joke . Not sure anyone has ever said any club has all the very good players . They have said that some clubs have more good players than others .YJ 2019 top team has 22 commits , that's just from the blue team and I would guess MD had about the same .

It's not a numbers contest, yj mommy. Which schools are the little bees going to? The point that is being made is if your daughter is a good player and plays for a solid, or better, club team she will probably wind up attending one of the same schools that the obnoxious parented yj kids attend. I tell ya...with the yj people EVERYTHING is a freakin' contest. Jeez, get over yourselves.

Trust me they pay a large chunk of change to get their kids in school

Hey idiot , you are on a lacrosse website talking about girls lacrosse which by its nature should be a contest. Some of the schools UNC, Navyx2, Notre Dame,PSU,BU,Yale,UVA x 2,Duke x3, Maryland x 2, Ohio State x 2,USC, BC,Lehigh x 2, Delaware. If its not a numbers game then why do you come on here talking about numbers you idiot.

You're response supports the "obnoxious parent" comment.

You are also an idiot .

"You're" response supports the "dumb parent" theory.

Misspelling a word doesn't make someone obnoxious. Being obnoxious makes someone obnoxious.

Liberty Black over M&D Black 12-6, down in FL.

Nice win for them. I see TG black was left out of that bracket

Shocker! Md United East over the blue 9-8. That sucks, even if yj claims a lot of their girls weren't there. They should NEVER lose to Md United. Ever.

MD united has a very good team, it's not like it's Beach bums

That's impressive - good for Liberty and Long Isalnd

Down in Maryland they're not considered as a very good team. Average, at best. Bad loss for the Unbeatable.

Keep telling yourself that, if it makes you feel better. Md United is not that good.

You people are ridiculous , look at the rosters , you have 2 kids from YJ top team playing and the better 2nd teams are not even there . I would bet MD the same thing .

How is Mass Elite Red playing, I know a few of the teams better players are not there.

SkyWalkers Blue over yj blue 9-5.

2 losses in the same weekend? Looks like someone will be missing their flght home.

2 kids from yj top team playing?? not true.

Whenever they lose the excuses fly faster than a bullet. For a club with 1000 players they never seem to have a full team, especially when they lose. That's very odd to me, and if I was a yj parent I'd have some questions for cr.

Beat TLC Red 12-10 in a good game. Other games were not close today. Can we say that's a decent win?

Scores at G8 this summer: TLC 6 YJ 6. TLC 9 Capital 5. M&D 3 TLC 2. I'd say TLC can compete w them.

I know their team. We play against them often. There were plenty of their regular girls on the field. Most in fact.

You are such a loser , YJ top team has 22 kids committed , they are at a showcase tournament in florida , how many of the YJ Carro kids do you think are on the team down there .Not an excuse just a fact , yes a YJ team lost but it's not the YJ Carro team.

Remove Capital from the top 5 and insert Integrity Green. Capital is probably ranked because they used to be pretty good, but not anymore. Integrity Green is pretty damned good.

Why don't the committed yj girls play after they commit? Most other teams players do. It seems to me that if a girl commits, then quits on her team, a college coach would probably love to hear about that. If you're gonna say that by not going to a tournament after they commit it gives the uncommitted girls a chance to play, I would counter that then it would be up to the coach to play the uncommitted girls but still have the committed girls on the bench in case he needs them. But, it sounds like the parents are probably being slightly self-centered, and not allowing their wonderful committed player to travel with her team because they don't won't to waste their time. Nice attitude parents. Team first...NOT! Typical yj attitude...ME FIRST!

How did Liberty do against Md United East? No score posted on Tourney Machine yet, and the game was played at 4:00.

Disregard. I just saw that they beat Md United 12-7.

They won 12 to 7

The one 12-7. That team is dominating. YJ not so much.

I see Capital Blue lost all 3 games today. If yj blue beats you, you aren't that good.

Maybe because it's expensive to go to Florida for a showcase tournament meant to showcase uncommitted girls? It doesn't matter who wins, so some parents may not feel it's worth the expense. Can't really blame them.

What's funny is when 2018 blue sent 25 girls down last year and only 3 were uncommitted, nobody from YJ complained when they crushed teams. When asked why so many commited girls went, the answer was they love playing together. Now when the other team loses they have an excuse why the whole team isn't there

Yes we can. Other team's players and parents do it. Why not the "mighty" 0-3 yj?

What's funny is when 2018 blue sent 25 girls down last year and only 3 were uncommitted, nobody from YJ complained when they crushed teams. When asked why so many commited girls went, the answer was they love playing together. Now when the other team loses they have an excuse why the whole team isn't there



THANK YOu, and you've echoed my point exactly! They "spin" everything in their favor, somehow believing they are fooling people with their games. Then, when we all call them out on it, they always make up some lame excuse. What a bunch of douches. They take the lead of their director.

You know, other teams don't hate yj because they win games. It's because of the overly obnoxious attitude, win-at-all costs attitude (until of course, when they lose), load-mouthed parents, lame excuses when you lose and generally overall douchey behavior. If fewer people talked from yj, there would be a lot less yj-bashing.

Yes we can. Other team's players and parents do it. Why not the "mighty" 0-3 yj? [/quote]


My bad...the "mighty" 1-2 yj. Big difference. LOL

there were plenty. Stop the lying.

So liberty beat MD United and M&D Black today? Are they the top 2019 team in the country?

There is no such thing. Once the clubs get to high school, the whole goal changes from winning to getting girls recruited. Who cares who wins these games?

In my opinion, they deserve a vote or two. But, I'm sure the yj apologists will come up with some unknown, obscure algorithm that somehow,mysteriously puts them as the (irrelevant) #1. Their excuses for losing two games today have already started.

Liberty not the chest beating type of club but clearly a top tier team at this age nationally. CR and her partners at Steps do all they can to keep her LI rival DG excluded from the elite invite events ... as can be seen by today's results that's not because they aren't good enough ... it's because CR wants to keep a competing club out of the competition.
This team is the real deal on both sides of the ball.

What's pathetic is some bunch of loser parents whose kids are most likely average players at most go and beat some thrown together YJ team and douchbag mommy and daddy are so proud because their kids generally suck . Congrats you were the better team today , you beat a mixed team of a few YJ 2nd team kids ,a few YJ top team kids , a few YJ 3rd team kids .Maybe now some college will recruit your crappy kid too bad all the money has been spent on those MD and YJ kids who saved their money on heading down to Florida to play in a recruiting tournament in the fall. Sooo proud .

Yes, obviously the Maryland teams had no chance against Liberty.

A "few" top team kids? Try 13. Just live with the losses. Or are these vaunted Maryland, UVA, Duke, Syracuse, Penn state commits really not that good? Which is it?

I know nothing about this Liberty team, but your post about CR and her tournaments is spot on. YJ people love to talk about how other LI teams won't participate in certain tournaments. The real reason is CR shiuts them out. Plain and simple.

Says the sore loser, excuse making, yj parent. yj is full of nice people.

Bingo. And, I see you accidentally wrote yj in upper-case letters.

Typical Y.J. parent. We suffer through you bragging how your the "best team in the country" and how "our second and third teams are better than most clubs first teams", but when half of your first team , and half of your second team underperforms you not only turn on your own club mates, but also have a never ending stream of excuses, but always leave out the one that is obvious, your kid, your teams, and your club not that good and are slipping into mediocrity because of the atmosphere within the club. Whoever posted this is the reason that is happening.

How did you do against them when you played their actual team at u15 ?

Aw c'mon. You can't be that naive, can you? yj lemmings care, as long they're winning. If they lose though, they start firing lame excuses, belittling the win of the other team. It's their m.o.: Gloat when you win, make excuses when you lose.

I'm not defending either side but everyone knows that the success of top teams is largely controlled by a teams best 5-6 kids - probably more like 3-4 kids. Every player contributes but the top kids really make it happen. After that most kids are just about even. When you take away those top kids and replace them with 2nd and 3rd team kids the team drops a notch or two. This should be obvious to everyone. The best 2019 1st team kids were not at the tournament because it is showcase format and it just does not make sense economically to be there.

Kind of amazing that a club like YJ needs to rely on 3-4 kids and beyond that has no depth?
Would have expected much more from then.

Yet another Y.J. excuse?

If their boasting is any indication of their awesomeness, ALL of us would expect more from them. Jeez...they have like 1000 players per age group. It seems like they could put together a decent team any time of the year, at will. Just have cr wiggle her nose or snap her fingers and 57 players that will all be top 5 D1 starters as freshmen will line up to play.

You seem so sadly desperate, your kid must be pretty bad.

And you are a typically transparent Y.J. parent, I'm sure you think your kid is one of those 3-4 unreplaceable kids, but little do you know the real truth, most of the time those kids wilt in college and dissapere on the bench. I'm sure yours will fall into that category and you too will, to the delight of us all, also fade away

In typical yj fashion, you attack the kid. Always bashing the kids, insinuating that they are worse than your kid. This is the part of yj that other normal grownups can't stand. It's like all of you yj people are in 7th grade.

Yeah because there are so many studies on those types of things you ignorant moron . You are so pathetically desperate to say your hideous kid has beaten the top YJ team it's actually sad. Little do you know that if your kid sucks now she will still suck in college .

They should be there to support and help the uncommitted. It's called being a team. Those girls help get them commited

And again, a typical yj parent rears their ugly head and calls a kid they don't know "hideous" and that they "suck". Sounds like somebody is still in 8th grade.

You are both shameful. These are young girls with opportunities that may never happened without lacrosse. In the end they will end up witha chance to play at the next level. if the work hard maybe they do maybe they don't! Congrats to them all! You both have some serious issues.

That's not how this Disney tournament works. YJ does not send their summer teams to this. They have an open sign up to all girls in the age group. When they have enough numbers for a second team they will send a second team. Nobody is letting anybody down by not going. Actually doing them a favor. The uncommitted girls looking for exposure are better off as they get the chance to stand out for the coaches and get more playing time. The only downside by doing what is in the girls best interest is what you see going on here, some team plays and beats them and thinks they just knocked off the summer team. Unfortunately the recruiting process has accelerated to the point where most of the who's who of the 2019 class is already committed from most clubs. Coaches had already moved on to the 2020s and even the 2021s this past fall. This is actually a problem for many clubs that the last several years of the elite teams are basically just passing time.

And yet you are okay with the kid will wilt etc comment because you are so desperate to knock YJ it's sad. If you think that those teams are a true representation of YJ top teams it just shows how desperate you are.

Yeah because there are so many studies on those types of things you ignorant moron . You are so pathetically desperate to say your hideous kid has beaten the top YJ team it's actually sad. Little do you know that if your kid sucks now she will still suck in college . [/quote]


And again, a typical yj parent rears their ugly head and calls a kid they don't know "hideous" and that they "suck". Sounds like somebody is still in 8th grade. [/quote]

And yet you are okay with the kid will wilt etc comment because you are so desperate to knock YJ it's sad. If you think that those teams are a true representation of YJ top teams it just shows how desperate you are. [/quote]

There were 13 top team kids including commits to UVA, MD, Penn St. and Duke among others. There were also 2 "2nd team" kids committed to Syracuse and SB. We keep hearing how great they all are. The other teams also had some top committed kids not there as well. Bottom line, these girls (some of whose parents I'm sure are one's who get on here and brag constantly) just got toasted. Deal with it. It's ok that there are other teams and girls that are as good and better. It is what it is.

And again, a typical yj parent rears their ugly head and calls a kid they don't know "hideous" and that they "suck". Sounds like somebody is still in 8th grade. [/quote]

And yet you are okay with the kid will wilt etc comment because you are so desperate to knock YJ it's sad. If you think that those teams are a true representation of YJ top teams it just shows how desperate you are. [/quote]

There were 13 top team kids including commits to UVA, MD, Penn St. and Duke among others. There were also 2 "2nd team" kids committed to Syracuse and SB. We keep hearing how great they all are. The other teams also had some top committed kids not there as well. Bottom line, these girls (some of whose parents I'm sure are one's who get on here and brag constantly) just got toasted. Deal with it. It's ok that there are other teams and girls that are as good and better. It is what it is. [/quote]

Here lies the problem , you took the time to go compare the roster to summer team rosters which makes you several things besides pathetic , creepy , lonely , obsessed , are a few but mostly just an idiotic moron . The kids posted on the roster you are looking at is not the actual kids who showed as the sign ups were some time ago . You seem desperate and pathetic which is the same way your wife described you when you met. Seriously if the best you got is your daughters team beat a YJ team in the fall at a showcase tournament in Florida I actually feel bad that you are this desperate to brag about your daughter , she is better than that and you should be proud of her even if it kills you that sooo many YJ kids are committed .

And yet you are okay with the kid will wilt etc comment because you are so desperate to knock YJ it's sad. If you think that those teams are a true representation of YJ top teams it just shows how desperate you are. [/quote]

There were 13 top team kids including commits to UVA, MD, Penn St. and Duke among others. There were also 2 "2nd team" kids committed to Syracuse and SB. We keep hearing how great they all are. The other teams also had some top committed kids not there as well. Bottom line, these girls (some of whose parents I'm sure are one's who get on here and brag constantly) just got toasted. Deal with it. It's ok that there are other teams and girls that are as good and better. It is what it is. [/quote]

Here lies the problem , you took the time to go compare the roster to summer team rosters which makes you several things besides pathetic , creepy , lonely , obsessed , are a few but mostly just an idiotic moron . The kids posted on the roster you are looking at is not the actual kids who showed as the sign ups were some time ago . You seem desperate and pathetic which is the same way your wife described you when you met. Seriously if the best you got is your daughters team beat a YJ team in the fall at a showcase tournament in Florida I actually feel bad that you are this desperate to brag about your daughter , she is better than that and you should be proud of her even if it kills you that sooo many YJ kids are committed . [/quote]

Nice try. They were there. I know the kids and the families. We have played them many many times. YJ 2019, the weakest YJ grade and the beginning of the slide into mediocrity for the program according to parents in our program at the younger ages.

That's an insult to 7th graders.

"Nice try. They were there. I know the kids and the families. We have played them many many times. YJ 2019, the weakest YJ grade and the beginning of the slide into mediocrity for the program according to parents in our program at the younger ages."

Lets make this easy , you are saying all the top team kids that were posted on the roster were there, if you like I can easily prove you are an ignorant liar but I will give you a chance to modify what you said. You know the kids and the families yet you come on here to bash them just tells me what a complete [lacrosse] you are.Again no one comes on here saying how great that team is just saying the team in Florida is not the actual top YJ team.If you have played them many times as you say how have you done against them in the past......thought so.

And yet you are okay with the kid will wilt etc comment because you are so desperate to knock YJ it's sad. If you think that those teams are a true representation of YJ top teams it just shows how desperate you are. [/quote]

There were 13 top team kids including commits to UVA, MD, Penn St. and Duke among others. There were also 2 "2nd team" kids committed to Syracuse and SB. We keep hearing how great they all are. The other teams also had some top committed kids not there as well. Bottom line, these girls (some of whose parents I'm sure are one's who get on here and brag constantly) just got toasted. Deal with it. It's ok that there are other teams and girls that are as good and better. It is what it is. [/quote]

Here lies the problem , you took the time to go compare the roster to summer team rosters which makes you several things besides pathetic , creepy , lonely , obsessed , are a few but mostly just an idiotic moron . The kids posted on the roster you are looking at is not the actual kids who showed as the sign ups were some time ago . You seem desperate and pathetic which is the same way your wife described you when you met. Seriously if the best you got is your daughters team beat a YJ team in the fall at a showcase tournament in Florida I actually feel bad that you are this desperate to brag about your daughter , she is better than that and you should be proud of her even if it kills you that sooo many YJ kids are committed . [/quote]I vote this guy the most angry parent in High School lacrosse. Anybody second this motion?

There were 13 top team kids including commits to UVA, MD, Penn St. and Duke among others. There were also 2 "2nd team" kids committed to Syracuse and SB. We keep hearing how great they all are. The other teams also had some top committed kids not there as well. Bottom line, these girls (some of whose parents I'm sure are one's who get on here and brag constantly) just got toasted. Deal with it. It's ok that there are other teams and girls that are as good and better. It is what it is. [/quote]

Here lies the problem , you took the time to go compare the roster to summer team rosters which makes you several things besides pathetic , creepy , lonely , obsessed , are a few but mostly just an idiotic moron . The kids posted on the roster you are looking at is not the actual kids who showed as the sign ups were some time ago . You seem desperate and pathetic which is the same way your wife described you when you met. Seriously if the best you got is your daughters team beat a YJ team in the fall at a showcase tournament in Florida I actually feel bad that you are this desperate to brag about your daughter , she is better than that and you should be proud of her even if it kills you that sooo many YJ kids are committed . [/quote]

Nice try. They were there. I know the kids and the families. We have played them many many times. YJ 2019, the weakest YJ grade and the beginning of the slide into mediocrity for the program according to parents in our program at the younger ages. [/quote]

What team are you from? M&D and YJ both went 2-2...How many times has your team beat them in the past...Easy for you to come on here bashing those teams while you hide behind your keyboard...Let the forum have a crack at discussing your team. Not saying YJ are the greatest team ever, but they had a pretty good summer...dont want to list tournament championships because someone will say im bragging, even though im just trying to point out they're not the worst team ever.

There were 13 top team kids including commits to UVA, MD, Penn St. and Duke among others. There were also 2 "2nd team" kids committed to Syracuse and SB. We keep hearing how great they all are. The other teams also had some top committed kids not there as well. Bottom line, these girls (some of whose parents I'm sure are one's who get on here and brag constantly) just got toasted. Deal with it. It's ok that there are other teams and girls that are as good and better. It is what it is. [/quote]

Here lies the problem , you took the time to go compare the roster to summer team rosters which makes you several things besides pathetic , creepy , lonely , obsessed , are a few but mostly just an idiotic moron . The kids posted on the roster you are looking at is not the actual kids who showed as the sign ups were some time ago . You seem desperate and pathetic which is the same way your wife described you when you met. Seriously if the best you got is your daughters team beat a YJ team in the fall at a showcase tournament in Florida I actually feel bad that you are this desperate to brag about your daughter , she is better than that and you should be proud of her even if it kills you that sooo many YJ kids are committed . [/quote]I vote this guy the most angry parent in High School lacrosse. Anybody second this motion? [/quote]

I'm confused...I think it's a tie between the two of you. What will you both do once this is all over and little superstar isn't so super? Take a page from some of the better club supporters on here...stick to relevant topics and don't go off the deep end when either of you feel slighted, insulted, or princess or her team isn't recognized as the best. Enough already.

And again, a typical yj parent rears their ugly head and calls a kid they don't know "hideous" and that they "suck". Sounds like somebody is still in 8th grade. [/quote]

And yet you are okay with the kid will wilt etc comment because you are so desperate to knock YJ it's sad. If you think that those teams are a true representation of YJ top teams it just shows how desperate you are. [/quote]

There were 13 top team kids including commits to UVA, MD, Penn St. and Duke among others. There were also 2 "2nd team" kids committed to Syracuse and SB. We keep hearing how great they all are. The other teams also had some top committed kids not there as well. Bottom line, these girls (some of whose parents I'm sure are one's who get on here and brag constantly) just got toasted. Deal with it. It's ok that there are other teams and girls that are as good and better. It is what it is. [/quote]

Bottom line, the kids and parents will be dealing with going to good schools and playing lacrosse. You can deal with that, thanks

Did they send 2 teams?

YJ Sent 2 teams, yes.

Mass Elite 2019... they are top 5....

Nope. Sorry.

Liberty crushing mnd is a surprise and keeping close with SW is impressive. Mnd had their whole team there. Good job Liberty. Mnd has taken a few steps back under Robinson. I hear McDonough is worried about a loss or two this year. We shall see.

What are the top 5 - 2019 teams this year?

[quote=Anonymous]Mass Elite 2019... they are top 5.... [/quote

Def top 5...maybe even top 3 in the state of Massachusetts.

is that a joke def number 1 is Massachusetts by far! and def top 5 in the country.

They were being sarcastic. What makes you think they are top 5 in the country ,please tell us other top teams they have beaten in a championship style tournament during the summer season. Fall, showcase results do not count for much and do not try the UA nonsense again.

Can we ask Liberty the same question.

If showcase events do not count for anyone, including yj, then be prepared for a few more summers of 'not counting'. Almost all tournaments during the high school recruiting years are showcase style, as it should be. However, to the delight of the yj, this will give them a few more summers to manufacture excuses for why they lose since they don't usually put all of their best players together for a showcase event. The ones that are committed quit, "graciously" leaving the field of play to the lesser-talented players. Based on their logic, there should be zero players left on their teams by the time they get to the summer after junior year, since they'll all be committed by then. Not enough girls left to field a team.

Now you get it...Your club had its chance to win meaningful tournaments, can't blame anyone but yourself for failing...

"Winning" a tournament doesn't mean anything, especially to young ladies. It only means something to the yj parents.

Some great list of teams you have beaten in championship tournaments . Now you know why no one thinks you are top 5 .

You all do realize that "winning" a championship tournament doesn't really mean anything, right? The only people who truly care about these trivial types of things are the yj lemmings. College coaches do not care who wins.

If you think that winning tournaments doesn't mean anything to the girls then I assume your daughter has never won one. My daughter and her teammates take great pride in the number of tournaments they have won and it's a big reason they work so hard. If you don't believe me check out the smack talk on social media between the girls after a tournament.

why the hate for Liberty? You never see there supporters on here pounding their chest, they never say they're "top 5 in the country", they rarely come on this site to defend D.G. when other "top clubs" bash her. they had a good tournament playing in a tough division, can't you people just say congratulations and wish what is a humble bunch of kids and parents good luck? Why such venom twards a club you deem beneath you?

miss this one?

Miss this?

How about this one?

humble parents?

Don't despair, our Liberty brethren. You have friends in MD. As you are familiar with, putting other teams and players down (sometimes personally) is a classic yj bully tactic. I wouldn't take it personally. They are but mindless drones of CR. They know not what they do. I would take their nervous reactions as a compliment. They are clearly feeling the heat. Keep up the pressure.

Baloney! It matters to YOU, not them. They move on from wins and losses within an hour.

Feeling the heat? Liberty is 0-for lifetime against yj...Who you kidding, Liberty has no friends in md.

What a loser ..

You actually monitor teenage girls smack talk? You truly are a sick person. Get help!

No I don't monitor it. But I do interact with my daughter. Do you just lock yours in her room? She finds it funny the nonsense the girls send back and forth to each other.

Stop w the championship style tournament crap. You mean the 20 minute nonsense games? The reason ME is a top 5 team is because thats what the college coaches say. Ask them if you want. The commit list is impressive, but doesn't show you who recruited them, just what they and their families chose. 5 could have chosen UNC. 4 chose not to and 1 is still deciding. Several have also turned down Duke for other places. Hard to argue w their choices. Stanford, ND, 3 NU, Princeton, Harvard, Richmond, UMASS and more great ones coming ... it isn't a race. They will all be committed to great places.

Okay I asked the college coaches and they said you are not top 5 so I guess that ends this conversation. If they were offered Duke but took UMass and Richmond I can argue fairly easily with there choices .

your kidding right? that is the best you can come up with? A statement of fact , a question, and 1 statement that could have been sarcastic and written by you? At no point does that poster really brag, weren't you surprised by the score of those games? the poster ( assuming it's the same one) never really brags or pounds their chest the way you Y.J. parents do. I could make a list of quotes from your club thousands deep, but I'll just refer tp this very thread where you yourself say girls suck and how much better YOUR club is. Here's the kicker, as you and your fellow Y.J. parents continue bashing young woman because you don't deem them good enough to wear bee gear, after this post you probably wount here from another Liberty parent for months, though you will probably continue to bash them and there Director. good luck to you.

Dontcha know? Middle school girls lacrosse tournament championships are important...to yj. Mommy and Daddy yj get to brag to their friends that little bee's team won a tournament, and got a t-shirt. They also get fodder to belittle the other clubs. It really means a lot to them.

Teams coming on here bragging they went 3-1 in a showcase tournament is any better?

So let me get this straight, you clowns want your kids travel lacrosse team to be considered a top 5 team in the country but do not want championship style tournaments to be considered. Then you want it based on college coaches opinions and where these kids commit to unless of course those commitments are for YJ players .Then you want it based on where mommy and daddy said they could have committed to but did not. Okay.

I don't care what you consider them. It's what they r. But it doesn't matter anyway. What matters is that they r great kids, great teammates and great students. Their amazing lacrosse ability is fun to watch, but doesn't define them as people.

No, it's not really any better. Showcase event results are mostly irrelevant. But, the difference is most other clubs can talk about how their team did in a tournament, and do it with some civility, whereas yj people have to be very demonstrative and boast about their little bee's all-worldly talents while at the same time they are calling the players on the other teams "suck" and "worthless" etc. It's like the yj people are very insecure and have to belittle other teams (especially the teams that beat them) to make themselves feel more worthy.

So Lehigh,BU,Navy,Binghamton,OSU are any better??? Umass was an elite 8 team this year and has an amazing business school. Instate tuition is also very cheap for a great school. You're just being an ignorant parent.

So all the other teams are very civil in their bragging and never bash other teams? C'mon ...ME claiming they are top 5 every other day...Liberty claiming they are best on LI...tough to listen to the nonsense

Hilarious, you obviously care what other people think or you would not keep coming on here stating they are top 5 when no other top team thinks they are. I am sure they are great kids etc. but so are the kids from every club.

no one from Liberty claimed they were best on L.I. Stop making things up to rationalize your argument. All anyone has said is they had a good tournament. And bashing not only other teams but teen girls is the Yellow Jacket creed.

Agreed. yj=insecure.

Check out post # 196422 11/21/16 4:16pm on the girls 2019 thread...you can rationalize that.

Liberty is a class club and has many friends in MD. It is the Yellow Jackets and there obnoxious behavior that has no friends in MD.

The YJ and their obnoxious leader Carol Rose doesn't have friends on Long Island either. They just tolerate her bully ways.

Here's an idea . Why don't you 2 losers pick a schoolyard at a neutral site and duke it out! As far as I''m concerned there are 10-12 teams at the 2019 level that on given day can play even with other. Depends on who shows up to play attitude wise etc.

It's a quote that just says "BEST TEAM ON LONG ISLAND" It could have been a liberty parent, it could have been a MD parent, it could have been a YJ parent, What it does not say is I am a L.I. Liberty parent and I think Liberty is the best team on L.I., So with the huge amount of obnoxios parents, pot stirrers, and hostile Y.J. parents, I am inclined to think that that post was not written by a Liberty parent seeing as such a quote has nevr been made by a liberty parent. If you believe that is was than you could be either the most gullible person on this site, or one of those angry, nasty Y.J. parents justifying your argument and trying to make it seem like every club lax parent is like the majority of Y.J. parents

What most non-yj people do not understand is that yj has given themselves the right to criticize, belittle and name-call other clubs and players while, at the same time, being overly sensitive to any comment that does not laud heaps of praise upon the great yj empire. Its classic bully behavior, and now that other clubs have started to stand up to them and recognize them for who they are, they are getting nervous and their insecurities are being exposed. They just don't understand that a quiet bee is a good bee.

You cannot really be this stupid . First the comparison was between Duke and UMass, and there is no comparison. Amazing business school is like saying ME is top 5 in country or because you are a bit slow it's a reach , an exaggeration , or just ill informed .

This. I'm reminded of the time a YJ dad started trashing my daughter's team to her when he ran into her at a deli. She was 15yo and by herself. Very inappropriate. I lost a lot of respect for him.

When the "Chief Rocker" wears his heart on his sleeve about the YJ, it should give us all pause.

99% of the posts on this site are anonymous. None of us know who is making the obnoxious remarks.

This site is like the "fake news" that has popped up all over social media. We'll each choose to believe what we want to believe, regardless if it has any basis in fact.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone. I am grateful that I have been able to experience the ups and downs of travel and school lacrosse with my daughter. We have both grown from the experience.

The only thing you did about it was come onto a site a post an anonymously. Your daughter should be so proud her dads a loser.

How bout this kids ... mine was a multi sport athlete .. never a stud at soccer but good. Never great at bball but good! Never put time into them but could hang loved lax put her time there and boom!! No training and a top d1 commit . ATHELTE ! Make sense

This. I'm reminded of the time a YJ dad started trashing my daughter's team to her when he ran into her at a deli. She was 15yo and by herself. Very inappropriate. I lost a lot of respect for him. [/quote]

The only thing you did about it was come onto a site a post an anonymously. Your daughter should be so proud her dads a loser. [/quote]Powder is a lady, and you are a typical Y.J. [lacrosse] bully. But I'll tell you what, if you're such a hero I will meet you in Powders place and we can talk about it

The only thing you did about it was come onto a site a post an anonymously. Your daughter should be so proud her dads a loser. [/quote]Powder is a lady, and you are a typical Y.J. [lacrosse] bully. But I'll tell you what, if you're such a hero I will meet you in Powders place and we can talk about it [/quote]

Is there something mentally wrong with you ? Why would you assume anyone other than you knows who Powder is ? As far as meeting you sorry but I just don't swing that way, not that there is anything wrong with that.

Powder is a lady, and you are a typical Y.J. [lacrosse] bully. But I'll tell you what, if you're such a hero I will meet you in Powders place and we can talk about it [/quote]

Is there something mentally wrong with you ? Why would you assume anyone other than you knows who Powder is ? As far as meeting you sorry but I just don't swing that way, not that there is anything wrong with that. [/quote]


Another yj parent uses the word "loser" when describing another parent. I have lost track of how many times a yj [lacrosse] calls someone else a "loser". Their behavior is predictable and abhorrent. cr needs to visit this site and see just what kind of parents are a part of her team.

That's an interesting post a few days back - "ME top 5 in the country" or something like that. I probably will not argue about them being the top team in Mass and probably up in New England. That's a much easier statement to make than saying M&D is the top team in Maryland - that usually opens up a big debate. Probably like the one that goes on when people state that YJ is the top team on LI.
How does this "top team" think come about? I've heard various criteria mentioned and apparently there is not much head-to-head between some of these clubs. Well at least as far as ME is concerned.
I do know that - being from Maryland - M&D, Heros, SkyWalkers, TLC, Integrity, MD United and Capital are always seeing each other. And you can probably also throw in the Yellow Jackets to that mix. And from what I was hearing - it looks like Mass Elite is venturing further out and was actually at a tournament where the Maryland teams were present along with YJ and some others from New Jersey. Yes, maybe ME might end up being top 5 in the country at some point but, it seems a little early to make that statement about their 2019 team. I definitely will not argue top 5 in New England - but, there are at least 4 teams in Maryland that will probably argue the point about top 5 in the country.

Powder is a lady, and you are a typical Y.J. [lacrosse] bully. But I'll tell you what, if you're such a hero I will meet you in Powders place and we can talk about it [/quote]

Is there something mentally wrong with you ? Why would you assume anyone other than you knows who Powder is ? As far as meeting you sorry but I just don't swing that way, not that there is anything wrong with that. [/quote]not only are you a bully but you're an Idiot with little reading comprehension, I never alluded that you knew she was, just letting you know that you're bullying a woman, witch is what you Y.J. douchbags do because your never man enough to try something like that with someone that will not be afraid of you . Like a true Y.J A-hole you hide behind your keyboard and your teen daughters. And there's nothing wrong with what, meeting someone to talk out an issue that you are obviesoly trying to intimidate people in, is that because your too stupid to hlod a conversation without slinging insults, which I bet lead to you getting your [lacrosse] kicked more than once. Not only are you a douchbag, and a bully, but also a homophobe, a three time loser

It's not hard to see where the young lady bees get their attitudes from. A shame that a few bad apples spoil the bunch. Won't be hard to spot them on a college sideline in a few years. They'll be the mommies and daddies talking about how dominate princess was in 7th grade, and how they are so so happy to be at a Top 5 school but puzzled why coach isn't playing princess.

Is there something mentally wrong with you ? Why would you assume anyone other than you knows who Powder is ? As far as meeting you sorry but I just don't swing that way, not that there is anything wrong with that. [/quote]not only are you a bully but you're an Idiot with little reading comprehension, I never alluded that you knew she was, just letting you know that you're bullying a woman, witch is what you Y.J. douchbags do because your never man enough to try something like that with someone that will not be afraid of you . Like a true Y.J A-hole you hide behind your keyboard and your teen daughters. And there's nothing wrong with what, meeting someone to talk out an issue that you are obviesoly trying to intimidate people in, is that because your too stupid to hlod a conversation without slinging insults, which I bet lead to you getting your [lacrosse] kicked more than once. Not only are you a douchbag, and a bully, but also a homophobe, a three time loser [/quote]

I finally have it figured out , you are an idiot . When you say you will meet someone at "powders place " it assumes I know who that is , but you are too ignorant to actually see that . As far as the homophobic nonsense honestly could not care less if you are [lacrosse] I just figured I would let you know it's not my thing so I have no interest to meet you and "talk". My original post was simply if someone accosted my teenage daughter and was inappropriate with them more than posting anonymous things on the internet would be done .

Is there something mentally wrong with you ? Why would you assume anyone other than you knows who Powder is ? As far as meeting you sorry but I just don't swing that way, not that there is anything wrong with that. [/quote]


Another yj parent uses the word "loser" when describing another parent. I have lost track of how many times a yj [lacrosse] calls someone else a "loser". Their behavior is predictable and abhorrent. cr needs to visit this site and see just what kind of parents are a part of her team. [/quote]

Honestly do you not see your use of the words [lacrosse] and abhorrent to describe someone you disagree with for calling someone a loser is a douchie abhorrent thing to do. Same with all of you who continuously come on this site pointing out all you hate about YJ parents , and players ,while displaying that very behavior in your posts .