BOTC is opening our Fall 2015 through Summer 2016 thread covering the Girls 2021-7th Grade age group.

Ok question tryouts are here and with so many travel teams my head is spinning. I'm fairly new and learning insight on some teams but trying to figure out best teams for my daughter to tryout for. Meaning strong coaching etc... She typically plays attack or defense. Just this past season the team she was on the coaches had a lot to be desired for. Wasn't happy at all. Taking all advice as this is a fairly new and quickly becoming a learning process

How about this: Ask her where she wants to play.

I quickly learn why some people do not register as users and respond anonymously. Just looking for insight as the whole travel lacrosse "world" is new to us. But I forgot my 11 year old will know good team coaches and directors and lax programs to choose from on her own maybe because she likes the uniform color! How about an educational response from an adult who remembers what it's like starting out and asking around because they wanted good training for their child and overall a great program! I'm by far not one of these living thru my child type parents ,like I see many others doing. Just looking for advice. Now if I could actually get from real insight and advice that would be great! Last I checked you learn by asking, not sarcastic sly remarks that are meaningless!

Why not PM one of us and ask.. The Hop will always help you out and with my limited knowledge of the game do know the principals and who I would go to if my child was looking.

Thank you! This site is new as well didn't know you can do that! Thank you for the input

It all depends on what you are looking for in a club. Remember just because your daughter makes a team she has to put in many hours every week throughout the year to remain in the team because there are many girls looking for her spot. You can choose a club that is highly competitive or one that is more like a PAL extension. The decision should be more of a family one because it will effect every member of your household . Some things to factor in are: where the team will be holding their practices, what and where the tournaments they enter, coaching staff......remember winning record doesn't matter as long as the team is competetive.

Good point about the travel - not to name the club, but if you are not into a weekly trip down the Turnpike from mid-May until late June. Look elsewhere.

Yes great point, luckily my child does put in the time and I thank you for your educational response. We live and learn thru this process!!!

Would you mind sharing the name of the club your daughter played for? Many people looking for a first or new clubs so your input about coaching is important.

Understandable to want the information, but I won't post bad press about any team(s). As I like to say what didn't work out for me and a few others might not be the case for other families.

Coaches had a lot to be desired? But they may be ok for someone else? I don't really get it, but ok.

I'm not going to bash on public forum the coaches. I do not feel the need to elaborate but think the general statement of the coaches had a lot to be desired for speaks for itself. I'm also suggesting that it's my opinion and someone else's of them could very well be different! Does that makes better sense for you?

You don't have to answer to the trolls. You obviously have class and don't want to bash people.. Good for you.

What don't you get?
This poster had a bad experience and feels the coaching was lacking. That's heard from many club parents.
No club name was mentioned...
Move on.

Tryouts in MD are in a couple weeks. Any MD teams going to get a win over M&D this year? Curious to see what movement there is between teams.

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It seems like this poster is looking for feedback on clubs to help make a decision as to where his/her daughter should try out. Am I misunderstanding?

But, they said that others may not have the same issues with the coaches. I'm curious. And how could someone give ligitimate advice when they don't know what that person is trying to avoid. Who knows, their issue with the coach could have been playing time.

I'm suggesting that with the new season approaching hopefully changes have been made starting with the director down to the coaches. The issues were brought to his attention last year a number of times so "hopefully" the program will be changed for the better!!!!

Personally I decided not to stick around to wait and see! I can definitely let you know it absolutely was not about playing time for my child! Let's not forget the program runs different age groups and coaches move with these girls. So the "others" I speak of are with different coaches and are of different age groups. Just like in any other program.

Let me ask you or anyone else a few questions let see what responses I get! Before any tournaments if for example your game starts at 10am what time are you/team expected to be there? Practice: if your practice at 6-8 what time as parents you expect them to start practicing? If you are guaranteed 15 practices during the summer and you receive emails constantly it's cancelled and not due to heat what are your thought? Or during tournaments your child's coach is texting instead of coaching. I can go on or do we get my point.....

Yes that is exactly what I was looking for

Time will tell... how many are headed elsewhere... that might affect the departures.

You are obviously not happy with "brand X" lacrosse club, you are looking for information on other clubs, and that is a perfect example of how these message boards can be used in a productive manner. I get you don't want to bad mouth the club you are walking away from, but letting other people know is also productive so they may avoid a similar situation. Knowing where your at now will also help people recommend a new club or team for your daughter. There are vast differences in the skill level and ability as you hop around from club to club and team to team. The coaching and organization and every thing your looking for may be present on say a top YJ or TG team, is your daughter able to make those rosters? Likewise if your leaving one of those teams, does someone's recommendation for a lower level team do you any good? Where your coming from can help put into context where you are going. Good luck with your search.

To add to that - are you out on the island or from Westchester. Knowing where you are or where you are from will help. What if someone recommends the club you are trying to leave.

I'm on the Island and I definitely know they won't recommend the club I'm leaving. I'm not worried whether she will make the roster on YJ or TG's. Quite frankly she just trained recently with Ms. Smith. So last thing I'm concerned with is how my child can play!

That's where everyone gets caught up!!! It's not about the team NAMES parents!! Please stop twisting everything people write and let's just focus on the question! And if you know on some great travel teams that you heard good things aboutjust reply saying saying so.

And I don't mean all that to you directly I'm just making a general statement overall! So please don't mistake all that towards you!

Sorry, but the questions were kind of vague and open ended. You did not say where you were coming from or what exactly you were looking for. Tracking this post since yesterday - it sounded like you were looking for Xanadu. Dude, nothing out there is perfect and a pure Nirvana. When it comes to club lax nothing is perfect - they all have their warts. My youngest daugher is in 2021 - my oldest is doing her college visits right now. If you want perfect - stick with PAL and coach the team. Sorry, that's how I'm - answer questions so that people can help. "Help me help you".

I heard that M&D and Heros are the teams to be on - especially at the lower age groups. If you can ge on either squad your daughter will be set.

Central Maryland is a big place with a lot of lacrosse players. Heroes is a very good program but located in Howard County. If you live in Baltimore County, that is a long haul to get to practice on a weekday night. The same goes for M&D. In Baltimore County, this will be a very interesting period for tryouts. The teams will likely lock in two years so it is time to get to a place where you know you want to be through high school. Diamonds has gained some momentum but they are not in the NPGYLL. C2 has a good team but they only have teams in a few graduation years and again, they are not in the NPGYLL. Skywalker's will be much improved as many of the girl's playing up will now be on their 2019 team. TLC had some good wins early and then seemed to have lost their way. MD United had a great year and they seem to have the best program in Anne Arundel County. The fall tournaments should be interesting.

You already seem to know the programs around LI - you named off YJ and TG? You probably have your kid doing private sessions with someone - maybe even SS. Why are you bothering asking - I'm under the impression that you are already well informed about the various clubs on LI.

Wow - great detective work on the SS conclusion. He/she said daughter trained with her in the comment you replied to.

Move on. This topic is exhausted.

Heard bunch of girls leaving 91

91 has a girl's team? do they play in tournaments?

Where they going?

Didn't take long for the trolls to show up on this thread.

Bandits and top guns

Who are Bandits never heard of them.

If you are looking for a girls club on LI the top 3 are YJ, TG and Elevate. I had seen a reference on here to 91. Their girls program is just awful. The only other girls program worse than them on LI is fl$. I have no idea how people write checks to those clubs!

Who are the bandits? My kids have played lax on LI for a while and I never heard of that club.I did not see them at one tournament this summer.

clearly you are the expert on girls travl lax on LI....Elevate?....

by Bandits he/she may be referring to how some travel lax directors steal parents $$ to have their son/daughter play in the program?...

What other team on LI besides YJ would beat Elevate? TG in this age group isnequal to elevate? Elevate plays all top teams in this age group.

Originally Posted By: Anonymous
I'm new to travel teams last year was my daughter's first travel season. Looking to expand but trying to feel out all these teams. I have a question can anyone give me some insight on Legacy and Team 91.


Please be more specific as to what you are looking for. Are you looking for a stronger team? If so, where are you now? Legacy had no 2021 team last year.

Legacy had 2021 players on the 2020 Teal team. I'm sure they will field a competitive 2021 team next summer.

is there a particular age group when you refer to Elevate?...otherwise you sound like a DK mouthpiece...

I know you just got your power back on at the trailer park after the storm last night - so just to bring you up to speed until the alcohol wears off - you are in a girls 2021 thread so that would be the gender and age we are discussing here.

BLUE DEVILS is a good sound club... Usually good showings in the tournaments they enter which is about 4-5 in the summer. Fraction of the cost of other programs . They have a 2021, 23 and 24 team.

ouch...that hurts....coming from someone who has his 75' Vega up on bocks in his South Shore driveway....but good one, nonetheless..

I think they are referring to the Brookhaven Bandits

My daughter played for the blue devils great experience

There used to be a window block on the left side of this website page that had all the website links to all the girls teams. At this time of the year all these people are looking around and asking questions about what teams/options are available, that link window was a great resource for people. I know that over the years BOTC moves things around, restructures the pages and elements on the page. Did this list of girls club links get moved somewhere or is it gone?

It has been removed and will not be back.

Is anyone playing winter ball ? If so where? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks

Anyone go to tryouts? Did Legacy have enough girls for a team tonight?

Legacy had enough for 2 teams. Lots of TG bags on the sidelines.

Sounds like Legacy, Elevate, will be the top teams in this age group on the Island.

It seems when editing you may have left out some teams . Nice job mods

Not a YJ person or fan, but they are a top team in this age as well, if not the top after this summer (things can change year to year)

I assume you are kidding? M&D and YJ are heads and shoulders above every other team at this age group. M&D will be even better this year with 7 new players. I assume YJ added talent as well. Good luck to Legacy and Elevate this year. You will need it.

Why only 18 girls listed for the 2021 Legacy team? i thought someone on here posted that there were enough girls at try outs for 2 teams.

YJ has not held tryouts yet but anyone have any ifo about that team? My daughter is thinking aobut going, how hard will it be to get on A or B

A team is nearly impossible unless you are a tremendous talent, last year they didn't add very many to b team either. Though the b team is significantly weaker. Actually weaker than TG's b team and Liberty's b team.

Maybe so but the B team is going to get a lot stronger when 3 A girls move down.

Great read, loaded with information in choosing the right Club for your daughter!

by Trevor Tierney NCAA Assistant Coach University of Denver
THE "BEST TEAM" MAY NOT BE WHAT IS BEST FOR OUR KIDS

“And why do we fall, Bruce? So we can learn to pick ourselves up.” - Batman Begins

Don’t get me wrong here. I love all of the players, parents and families that I get to work with in sports. I would not want to be doing anything else with my life! But lately, I have been bewildered by a phenomena that seems to be growing in youth athletics. There is a constant search amongst parents and players to be on the “best team” that wins the most games and tournaments. It is no longer enough for our children to play on a local youth or high school team and enjoy the experience of playing sports. Furthermore, it is no longer even enough for our children to play on a good club travel team that plays well together, is competitive with other great teams from around the country and has top-notch coaching. Rather, there is a “grass is greener” mentality amongst parents and young athletes who are on the constant lookout for the absolute greatest team to be a part of.

There are a lot of factors driving all of this. It is partly due to the parent’s misconception that the better their child’s team, the better their chances for recruitment and success down the road (by the way, college coaches do not even know the scores of the high school games that they are scouting—they only notice who is 6’4”, 225 and runs like a gazelle in the Serengeti). I believe that this mentality runs deeper than that though and we have simply lost touch of what sports are all about. You know when you watch the people on a reality show like Honey Boo Boo or Swamp People and you say, “man…those people are nuts!”? Well, I hate to tell you, that is all of us in sports right now! We are those crazy people. And for the past few years, this perception of making sure our children win all the time and at all costs has become utterly mind-boggling. Every single game in sports, one team wins and one team loses. That’s just the way it works. It is completely narcissistic for us to think that we ourselves (or our child) should never lose. What fun would sports be if we knew that we were going to win every time anyway?

Every great athlete and coach that I know has had their fair share of ups and downs. Even though my claim to lacrosse fame is that I won two NCAA National Championships, a MLL Championship and a FIL World Championship with Team USA, I also got my butt kicked a whole lot along the way! My youth teams were disgraceful, my high school team had some serious rough patches, I can’t even count how many goals Syracuse scored on me at Princeton over the years and I was on the only USA team that lost in the World Championships since 1978 for goodness sake! Even Michael Jordan (who I apologize for even mentioning in the same paragraph as my athletic career) admitted in a commercial, “I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed.” The point is, that no matter what an athlete does in their career, they will have some wins and they will have some losses. Trying to control that is not going to change anything. Furthermore, there is actually something about the pursuit of always winning that is detrimental to our children’s development as athletes and as people.

As I have pondered this mindset that we are witnessing in youth sports for the past few years, I knew something was wrong. I just didn’t know how to explain it, other than sounding like a grumpy old curmudgeon. The fact is though, there is scientific evidence that shows that we should actually want our children to lose! Again, as I have written time and again, I am not saying that athletes should not care about trying to win and just act like it does not matter. And I am certainly not an advocate for the “everyone gets a trophy” mentality. Our young athletes should care deeply about trying to win and be their best. And when they go into competition and want nothing more than to win that game, it will be absolutely fantastic for them when they lose! Before you think I have been hit in the head with too many lacrosse balls (which is completely factual), let me explain further.

In the past month, I have been fortunate enough to study under one of our country’s leading researchers on human resilience at Harvard, Dr. Shelly Carson. As soon as I sat in our first lecture, the lightbulb flashed on! I started to realize that when we want our child to play on the most dominant team, we are completely missing the boat on how sports build resilience for young men and women. This is not just me blabbing about it either. There is decades of research being compiled by people much smarter than me (surprising I know) that explains how we all develop resilience and how this leads to overall happiness, well-being and success. And isn’t that what we really want for our children?

I am starting to understand how sports are actually the perfect set up for resilience training as losses are very stressful and a challenging adversity for young athletes to face. From this perspective, you realize that no one is going to die, get seriously injured, get cancer, lose a family member, get dumped by their girlfriend (and if so, good riddance I say), lose their home, get thrown in jail, fail out of school, or face anything truly tragic from losing a game. And while I might be sounding trite here, the sad fact is that all of us will face one or several of these things at some point in our life. Nobody’s existence on this earth is perfect. We all encounter some serious adversity whether we like it or not. With that being the case, don’t we want our kids to learn how to deal with it in a skillful manner?

In the field of psychology, resiliency has been defined by Luthar (2000) as, “the ability to recover from or adjust easily to misfortune or change . . . a positive adaptation within the context of significant adversity,” (as cited in Carson lecture, 2014). So, not only do the skills of resiliency allow people to overcome and recover from tragic experiences in their lives, but resilient people also flourish, grow and experience tremendous well-being and success in their lives. And that is exactly what we want for our children. I will take that over any win, any tournament championship and any trophy. The best aspect of athletics, in my mind, is that it teaches us resiliency, the ability to endure, overcome and find greatness in our lives. As coaches and parents, all we have to do is be positive and supportive of our children no matter if they win or lose. We just have to be there for them as they learn to get back up and keep moving on with their heads held high. That is how our youth can learn to deal with life on life’s terms and develop as strong individuals. What a great gift that is to bring our children and I cannot think of a more powerful way to do it than through athletics!

There are a lot of ways in which resiliency can be taught through sports, which I will go into some more detail down the road. For right now, I will pass along that one of the most effective ways in handling a stressor is utilizing "problem-focused coping", which means taking an active approach towards finding a solution. In summation, I will pass along what I tell my players and parents on our Denver Elite lacrosse teams. Instead of finding a better team to play on, find a way to make your team better. This is how you can truly learn to win something of lasting value through the sports.

Most clubs cap the top teams at 18-20 so they can play to win and keep everyone happy - 2 middie lines, 6 attack, 6 defenders and 2 goalies. That's probably the best mix for a comnpetitive team, everyone plays and the bottom five kids on the larger size teams who would be sitting the bench in all the close games aren't really needed in the blowouts. I here this model may be coming to YJ 2020 & 2021 teams this year, parents are complaining about unnecessary dead weight at the bottom of the rosters, at some point 26 kids and one ball doesn't work

Good read, thanks for posting

Hahahahah. That made my weekend. Yea OK. I guess legacy now has become a not for profit organization. Face it......they didn't have enough for 2 teams. Where is the little man who keeps saying all the TG girls have left.

Everyone makes comments without hearing the whole story. I had a conversation with the director and was told they are only filling rosters with players they feel will contribute. I heard they could have filled 3 teams easily at 2020 but are running only two quality teams. They seem to be angling to build a quality program that will be competitive with quality, professional coaching. Not loaded with inexperienced college players who can't communicate with parents and kids.

Great piece by Tierney. Where did you find it?

Agree about Legacy 2020 blue. Very good team. Easy does it on Teal team, not even close to competing against good B teams

That's funny! I'm guessing you don't consider TG Purple a good B team. Legacy Teal whipped them easily this year. You didn't hear about it?? Stop trying to discredit that team, Legacy has 2 strong teams.

TG recently sent an email with it to all its players in an effort to explain to them that winning doesn't matter, just send in your check and stop worrying about being a competitive team

Please take this back to your 2020 thread, you did not have a 2021 team this year nor do we wish to hear about next years, we all know your trying to great a buzz about your girls program at all age groups. Only two top programs on Long Island, YJ & TG, the rest can fight it out for third. Thank you.

Did you enjoy your trip in the time machine Marty? TG is not one of the top 2 programs on LI - and 2021 was never near the top.

Wow, That's all you got out of reading that. Pretty sad.

Hey Biff, just remember your program or new program did not develop any talent, they just stole it from other clubs. In the end character counts, but your not worried about that. I'm guessing your one of those people that sulks in the background complains and does absolutely nothing, except spread your poison to those weak minded followers. Enjoy your program, in sure next year you'll be moving on again, you know the grass is greener over there!

The part-time flip flop girls didn't develop any talent either - they just attracted it with their big name director.

In a an affiliated paper product that we get once a month, that we are all required to be a member of, but can not speak its name here for some reason.

Will TG 2021 be participating in any fall tournaments or are they unable to because their coaches are all back in school?

No. Only 17s and 18s do fall tournaments thru TG. Any fall tournaments for this age must be set up by a parent.

OK troll......if you are on the team email the directors. If you are not on the team.....you dont know and its not your business....go elsewhere..

That answer doesn't suit you? The only teams that do fall tournaments are the high school age teams. 2017 and 2018 will be going to the presidents cup in Florida and the Navy Rivalry challenge in maryland. There are plenty of fall tournaments for all ages but if you want to go, you have to organize it yourself.

If you are a good player you are noticed. Every year new players have been selected. Encourage your daughter to try her best and see where you end up. Good luck!

I would strongly recommend trying out. There are 6-8 players that are a little ahead of everyone else at this point skill wise, but after that there will be spots available. New players are added every year why not yours.

I like to read these forums, they're quite informative.
My daughter played for a young team this year, The South Shore Surf, and we gave a Legacy Black a run for their money at Harbor links. All the girls are different and I really appreciate all the attention that the Surf coaching staff pays to each and every girl.
We are not beating TG or Yellow jackets top teams but our girls are from all over the Island and are growing closer and better each week.
IMO our smaller program, takes a lot of the pressure off these 12 year old kids. If you're a good player and concerned about playing time, you will get a lot of it with Surf.
At this age there is only 1 away tournament, and the whole season is only $650.00 with caring varsity coaches. The level of Competition for girls lacrosse on Long Island is high enough. Why do I need to travel to play another Long Island team?

Legacy Long Island doesn't have a Black Team and wasn't at Harbor Links. You might be referring to Legacy Lax out of the Hudson Valley. Not even remotely close to the same level as Legacy Long Island.

[quote=Anonymous]Legacy Long Island doesn't have a Black Team and wasn't at Harbor Links. You might be referring to Legacy Lax out of the Hudson Valley. Not even remotely close to the same level as Legacy Long Island.

Legacy Long Island has a 2021 team?

never seen a legacy long island team playing at any high level tournament or level....

National Draw, Best of the Beach, The Grind, Project 120, Lax by the Sea, Nike Cup... Your right all low level. Tool!

Nope definitely long island

I stand corrected. It was Liberty Black

i believe legacy girls has a very solid bunch @2021 level, they picked off some top players from a few teams. Much chatter about that group, maybe will see what they have this fall.

Legacy did not have 2021 last year. Only 2022 and 2020

[quote=Anonymous]i believe legacy girls has a very solid bunch @2021 level, they picked off some top players from a few teams. Much chatter about that group, maybe will see what they have this fall

Look out YJ

Again, we didn't have a 2021 team last year

Big talk. When anyone actually beats YJ or M&D 2021 then talk all the smack you want. So far, that hasn't happened.

No one knows who took the invites, so stop trying to stir the pot and worry about the sinking TG ship. YJ team is a great team as is MD, no start up program is going to begin to talk smack, even before half the roster hasn't paid their deposit yet.

Legacy girls 2020 and 2021 have picked up some gamechangers- should be very competive teams for sure

Where did the new Legacy " game changers " come from ?

P.A.L.

Game changer is term highly dependent upon the team and level of competition that team would be facing. Drop an invisible kid from any clubs A team to B team and they will likely be a game changer. Are there any unknowns out there that would be considered a game changer at the highest level, say for the yj Tg or m&d top teams? Possible, but not too likely. At this age most of the very top "game changer" girls are well established. Two, three years ago you would get massive leapfrogging going on, the talent and athleticism should be apparent now and is mostly already sorted out. The term is relative and means different things to different people.

Ha ha ha have you taken a look at TG 2020 black? Majority of that team is now West Islip PAL girls. If you were being sarcastic you know the saying if you live in a glass house please don't throw stones.

2020 tg black is now 2020 legacy blue, 2020 west islip has become 2020 tg black -so true. how's 2021 looking- hearing it's the same tread?

Game Changer - you have no idea and yes she is at the highest level in a variety of sports. Talent and athleticism...hold onto your hats..... This unknown is known by many in other sports that she competes in at the highest level.

Highest level in 7th grade. Wow

bring it on the field. lets have a LI tournament with all of LI"s "top" teams and and let's see where everyone ends up in the end … put up or shut up.

Sounds like she chose the wrong club.

It's a shame that at the 7th grade level a child has to pick one sport in order to play at the highest level possible in that sport for the ENTIRE year. This specifically goes for LAX and Soccer. For an all around athlete and for this age group all the leagues should encourage their players to cross train. So maybe not to burn out - the right club was chosen at this point of time. 7th Grade it's a marathon not a sprint to the finish. Keeping all of the athletes healthy, interested not burnt out has to be considered in picking the right team.

Amen, thank you!

Ummmm isn't that what our girls have been doing for the last 3 years

What are you talking about the top teams are stacked with kids that are multi sport star athletes.

Igloo 2021 Girls ?

If Legacy is so good, why are they having additional tryouts?

What about them?

Igloo - "where our goal is to teach the boys to be gentlemen."

The boys are having additional tryouts not the girls, girls are already set and good to go. Meanwhile TG can't release rosters cause they have no girls.

And that applies to every age group.

Any word on elevate tryouts?

A lot of the top 21 elevate girls did not return and were not at tryouts. Going to be tough for them to be close to competing with YJ and TG. Not sure where they all went.

Competing with YJ 2021 and TG 2021 are two completely separate things. We've played both and one is a top team, the other not so much.

A MD parent

TG 2021 is similar to the West Babylon PAL team

Meanwhile TG can't release rosters cause they have no girls.

And that applies to every age group. [/quote]


Not true. I believe that TG does not release rosters until late October / early November the earliest. I thought they were released in April last year. I don't even know why they do it. Not many clubs do.

The top girls went to Igloo. They were good players. unhappy with the coaching.

They were never close to competing with YJ, and TG never close to competing with Elevate. What was a A,B,C distinction now may have become A,C,C.

The Elevate 2021 girls left for Igloo? How is the Igloo program? What kind of coaching do they have there?

going to be good coach is great should be a great season

Who is the igloo coach and can you share why girls leaving elevate? No sarcasm please.

If I lived on Long Island the choice would be simple. One club continually is among the top 2-3 clubs and is always competitive when traveling down here. It's really rather simple. You get better playing with and against the best.
A MD parent

Who coaches this team?

What female coaches are involved in the girls Igloo program?

Anyone have more insight to the girls igloo program? Very little info on their webpage.

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It's a new program, no insight.

If I lived on Long Island the choice would be simple. One club continually is among the top 2-3 clubs and is always competitive when traveling down here. It's really rather simple. You get better playing with and against the best.
A MD parent [/quote]

Yes, YG is the top LI club. But what if your daughter is on the B, C, D, E or F team? And . . . the B team is better than most. The choice is . . . do you want your daughter to play or simply be on the best team? Being on the best team doesn't necessarily make your daughter better, especially if she isn't playing.

Some other LI organizations have top teams at various age levels - some that can compete - not necessarily win vs YG, and some really poor teams at other age levels. Find a good coach - who knows the players and stays with the team year after year, and a good core group of girls that stay together, and that team will compete with most top teams. Keeping 20 girls on a roster should be able to offset the 4 or 5 that leave each year.

Is it true that YG B team girls left for Elevate due to playing time?

All igloo cares about is the all mighty $$$$$$. Girls program new and will not be able to compete with other top girls teams.

I guess only time will tell

What is YG?

Are you sure you aren't confusing them with Elevate?

Hey, somebody has to pay for DK's bills....

Give it a break! Show me a club that's not in it for the money? It's a business first and why do you think new clubs are popping up? What club to you play for?

Igloo offers a lot of training but looks like they got greedy with the price tag and scared a lot of people away. $2,100 to play in only local tournaments is a complete money grab. Would have been curious to see how many girls moved to Igloo if it was more reasonably priced.

Has anyone on the board accepted a spot on this team? Would like to hear what was promised and what club you left and why.

Is it the actual YJ 2021 team coming to Young Guns or is it a combination team like last year?

Right now they don't have enough to field a roster. Less than half team signed up so it will likely be a combo team. Last year was not a YJ team, it was just a mix of girls from various clubs/ teams.

We chose igloo because of the coach and the training. Other teams are less expensive but once you factor in the additional payments for winter training and in the case of elevate having to buy a uniform??? It is very comparable. Igloo believes that more training and playing local tournaments is the way to go. Why drive up and down the turnpike to beat lesser talent and then play a LI team in the finals? And then add the additional cost of travel, hotels, food and we are saving a ton of dough. Legacy is also staying home for there tournaments. It seems that the times are changing. There are enough good teams on LI now that teams don't have to travel as much until you reach recruiting age. I know we might not face M&D but maybe they see the trend and come to LI for a change.

We received the following email today. Now not even M&D can get two full rosters. Lots of options out there people.

M&D Girls Lacrosse Club is looking for a few more middle school players to round out a few roster spots.

Looking for the following:
- 5 field players and a goalie for the 2021 Red team
- 4 field players for the 2022 Red team

Any interested player can contact the head coaches for a try-out and evaluation.
- M&D 21 Red - Natalie Gaieski
- M&D 22 Red - Rachel Mercier

YJ tournament is the worst on the island 25 minute games no playoffs and everyone pays $10 at the gate. No thanks.

There are no good tournaments on the Island, period. Especially if your on a top team. This is why the top teams have to travel to play other top teams. The elite teams from the other states certainly do not come to long island tournaments to play, so the one or two top teams from LI must travel off island to play them. If igloo traveled off, would they even be in the top brackets to ever play the elite teams? Not likely, so staying on the island for most all other LI teams and clubs may be an attractive option.

To call your team or program elite is kind of douchey.

So this is how Igloo is trying to spin this. Or is it they could not get into the best tournaments like what happened on the boys side? Isn't that real reason there oldest team folded?

I saw a Maryland club team come up to LI last summer. They were not M&D, thankfully. It was Hero's and they rolled over everyone they played during that weekend at Hofstra in the 2019 division. Frankly, if I were them, I would not come back for that. It's a lot cheaper for them to go to Jersey and at least have some tighter games. Regarding, waiting until recruiting age, when do you think that would be? I saw tons of coaches watching the 2019's play at Lax For The Cure last summer.

How was the turnout at tryouts this weekend for 2021 team.

Good, bunch of red shirts. Looks like 4 teams. Gained more then they lost, if that's what you're getting at.

A good amount of movement.

I see the Cobra Kai sweeping people up at every tournament. Just won 3 divisions at T3 play to win in NJ, week before we saw them at Applefest with thier 7th graders playing the 8th grade team for the Championship. Also a bizzare appearance on the MSG quick hits long island. It seems they win almost every weekend. Who are these guys?

Self promotion!

Careful that they don't sweep the leg.

Seriously? Cobra Kai? Mercy is for the weak. If a man stands before you he is the enemy.

1 new player and 1 player from 2nd team moved to blue during tryouts.

1 from 2nd and 4 new

Saw 1 from 2nd and 2 red shirts. Blue team appears to stay intact
Also sounds like 2nd team getting AB as coach and that will be a big plus to this team.
Looked like numbers were up over last year whether they have enough accepted to form a 4th team reamians to be seen.

That heroes 2019 team won't be back at Hofstra if I was the coach. They are dominant. Their only competition is sky walkers and mnd in Maryland

this is a joke right? Next we will hear they have a unique training program of wax on wax off, paint the fence and sand the floor!

Two red shirts and 2 from Yellow. Two returning players were missing, one may have left. So lets say maybe 3 adds. That's still too many to carry but we'll just have to wait until December to see.

M&D has 7 new players and 5 are gone from last year. Should be fun games between the two teams again next summer.

Only one from blue 2

What's your opinion on fall tournaments at this age? Is it just about keeping a stick in their hand?
Do you feel any pressure from the club to participant?

New to Elevate 2021, was told at tryouts by the club that they compete with the best teams in this age group.

Yes that is true. Played in top seeded brackets in all the tournaments.

Elevate has become less competitive each year they have played. With the departure of a number of players this trend should continue.

And lost them all.:)

Depending on the margin of loss and as long as they are not getting blown out then I would much rather have my daughter compete at the highest level. Much better than playing no name second tier teams and crushing them. Elevate seems to be the only LI team to enter the same tournys as YJ's.

I completely agree. It was a joke. Although I don't think Elevate has played M&D any more than TG has. Think it is only once each.

and you get to have Dave K. jump in and coach the teams during the tournament....all good!

Not an Elevate parent but believe me we have had our share of crappy coaching!
Would have been thrilled to have the club director jump in and help.
High School girls and college players don't always translate to good coaches especially when they don't get any mentoring.

How did the games in Maryland go yesterday for the 2021 age group?

I would have DK coaching my daughter any day of the week. Any parent that says other wise knows nothing about the game. And they did not lose all their games playing in top seeded brackets. Yeah sorry didn't win a t-shirt big deal. I'm not one of those parents that has to win every game to feel good. As long as my daughter is getting better and enjoys her team it's all good right?

M&D beat whatever version that was of YJ 2021 14-6. Unfortunately, neither M&D nor YJ played Heros who was probably the other top team there. M&D and YJ both beat TLC rather easily.

That version was about a 1/3 of the top team with nearly no midfielders going and pickup players filling out the roster. Not everyone is into driving 5 1/2 hours and staying in hotels for a poor, off season tournament. At least it is in the MD teams backyard, probably get a much better turnout.

I wouldn't want Dave k to jump in and coach my daughter he only cares about the money not the girl

Easy man. There was no chest pounding. Said it wasn't the full team. Completely understand not wanting to drive down. Why does CR run a tournament in MD every fall?

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They play against, but cannot compete. Their new additions are C team players

That's uncalled for to call out girls like that. You must be a really disgruntled parent. Shame on you. Elevate 2021 blue will be fine this year.

For the $$

I saw Hero's play on Sunday and I saw M&D play too. Hero's was CLEARLY the best 2031 team there. They would've crused M&D. BTW..my daughter doesn't play for either team. She is an assistant coach for another club team. Just my educated observation.

Have no idea what rosters looked like for this fall tournament. Played both of these teams true summer strength, both teams very good. Definitely give an edge to M&D.

2031? Heros and M&D sure start them young. But I suggest before making snap judgements we wait until they can play pacifier-free...it changes everything.

You do realize Heros played a bunch of B teams on Sunday right and only beat one of them by a goal. Meanwhile M&D won 20-1, 14-4, 14-6 over YJ and 10-4 over TLC. And M&D was making full team substitutions every 6 minutes.

M&D and Heros play Saturday so we'll see.

I would definitely give the advantage to M&D since Heros has never beaten them and most of the games were not even close.

M&D 2021 Black will not lose a game this fall, next spring or next summer.

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It would appear that M&D will have the deepest team this year. They will have the ability to sub and have absolutely no drop off in play , something no other team can say even YJ 2021 Blue.

This could be, but very interested to see the Heros team. They seem to be extremely confident after their influx of girls from Bitmore. Looking forward to Saturday's matchup.

Hopefully Hero's is good. Maybe their coaches will stop screaming so much.

There are times and there are situations in games when what may seem like screaming is really just a coach trying to make sure that the furthest player hears them. And of course in the noise and din of a lacrosse game - those situations arise all the time.
Maybe that is the only way the Heros coaches can be sure they are heard over the parents coaching from the sidelines.

YJ faithful, love that everyone is quite on these matters, let's continue to keep it above the line and let the girls do the talking like they did last year.

Yeah. Right.

Have no idea what rosters looked like for this fall tournament. Played both of these teams true summer strength, both teams very good. Definitely give an edge to M&D. [/quote]

I would definitely give the advantage to M&D since Heros has never beaten them and most of the games were not even close. [/quote]

M&D 2021 Black will not lose a game this fall, next spring or next summer. [/quote]

It would appear that M&D will have the deepest team this year. They will have the ability to sub and have absolutely no drop off in play , something no other team can say even YJ 2021 Blue. [/quote]

YJ faithful, love that everyone is quite on these matters, let's continue to keep it above the line and let the girls do the talking like they did last year. [/quote]

What a toolbag. We get it ,you wanted to scream "but what about us we beat MD last year " so you tried to say it without saying it.

I would definitely give the advantage to M&D since Heros has never beaten them and most of the games were not even close. [/quote]

M&D 2021 Black will not lose a game this fall, next spring or next summer. [/quote]

It would appear that M&D will have the deepest team this year. They will have the ability to sub and have absolutely no drop off in play , something no other team can say even YJ 2021 Blue. [/quote]

YJ faithful, love that everyone is quite on these matters, let's continue to keep it above the line and let the girls do the talking like they did last year. [/quote]

What a toolbag. We get it ,you wanted to scream "but what about us we beat MD last year " so you tried to say it without saying it. [/quote]

Both M&D and YJ have very strong teams and great parents " it's all good" look forward to some great games again.

Yes, you beat M&D last year when they were missing three starters. By a goal. And there was plenty of talking by YJ parents after that game.

I would definitely give the advantage to M&D since Heros has never beaten them and most of the games were not even close. [/quote]

M&D 2021 Black will not lose a game this fall, next spring or next summer. [/quote]

It would appear that M&D will have the deepest team this year. They will have the ability to sub and have absolutely no drop off in play , something no other team can say even YJ 2021 Blue. [/quote]

YJ faithful, love that everyone is quite on these matters, let's continue to keep it above the line and let the girls do the talking like they did last year. [/quote]

What a toolbag. We get it ,you wanted to scream "but what about us we beat MD last year " so you tried to say it without saying it. [/quote]

The girls lost just as many as they won against M&D, but they have fun as a team. Frankly, their best win last year was the talent show at Towson Camp.

Biggest win was all the girls making friends with each other at the camp, now they all know each other and keep in touch electronically

I saw Hero's play on Sunday and I saw M&D play too. Hero's was CLEARLY the best 2031 team there. They would've crused M&D. BTW..my daughter doesn't play for either team. She is an assistant coach for another club team. Just my educated observation.


Have no idea what rosters looked like for this fall tournament. Played both of these teams true summer strength, both teams very good. Definitely give an edge to M&D.

I would definitely give the advantage to M&D since Heros has never beaten them and most of the games were not even close.

M&D 2021 Black will not lose a game this fall, next spring or next summer.

It would appear that M&D will have the deepest team this year. They will have the ability to sub and have absolutely no drop off in play , something no other team can say even YJ 2021 Blue.

YJ faithful, love that everyone is quite on these matters, let's continue to keep it above the line and let the girls do the talking like they did last year.

Yes, you beat M&D last year when they were missing three starters. By a goal. And there was plenty of talking by YJ parents after that game.

Well with all the new depth being talked about in prior posts, perhaps you can leave that excuse home this summer. All teams deal with injuries and conflicts. Assuming they also missed the braveheart loss at Towson as well as the tie in Ocean City. With the starters, you only managed wins by 2 and 1 goal respectively. Way to discount all the other players on your team, I am sure they appreciate knowing they cannot win without your superstars.

I don't know who said anything about the depth, but it wasn't an M&D parent obviously. It was a YJ parent that said the girls did the talking on the field last year. And they did plenty of it after the Lax for the Cure game as they walked past the M&D girls. No one said anything about superstars being missing. Missing 3 girls hurts anyone's depth. They were all great games last summer. Point was, If you want to count the game at camp, the teams were 2-2-1 last summer. No one cam claim that their girls did their talking on the field. They were obviously two evenly matched teams.

Go back and read the posts, M&D will not lose a game this fall, spring or summer, we added 7 new players and have more depth than YJ, you only beat us by 1 because we were missing players. There was not one YJ post before all that started. I will bail out now, you need to read a bit more before posting.

I guarantee you whoever said that M&D won't lose a game is not an M&D parent. No one would ever say that. Someone is stirring the pot. The person that said that M&D had the best depth is not an M&D parent either.

The response about only winning by one goal was in response to the "the girls did their talking on the field" post.

Nothing but respect for YJ. They are the only one's that consistently give us a game.

Parents from M&D and YJs are reacting to posts that are 99% likely made by people not even on either team. People on here will bait you into smack talk. People intimately involved know the deal between these two team and respect the players and parents. If you follow the posts you will see the posters only know and reference small bits of incomplete info or history picked from prior posts. Refrain from reacting

Well said and very true.

I am an M&D parent. YJ 2021 is a class outfit. Girls on the team are tough, competitive and play to the whistle. Parents are loud and proud (they're from Long Island, what do you expect?) but they are also a very good group of parents and I know they respect our girls as well.

We look forward to playing against Yellow Jackets. They are great competition.

There is no way they were talking smack after the game as half the girls could not talk because they were crying ,not playing even for 1 second while those related to the coach never came off the field. Difficult to say how deep the YJ team is when half the kids do not play in a meaningful game.

Let me guess, you weren't there and your daughter doesn't play for either team?
You make statements like this because it makes you feel better and you even try to convince others that you are way better off on the second or third team because of all the drama and the crazy parents?

I am certain there is a lot of spit stirring going on as the parents have had very frank conversations and both teams shorten up their benches for their games against each other. No story here other than someone trying to ruin a nice friendship between 2 very good teams. Don't get suckered in by outsiders.

The best part about this is that all but one girl from last year is looking to return to the team, If they were that upset or slighted, why would they come back? Answer, everyone gets plenty of time across the totality of games and the club has set these expectations in tight games for two years now. Time to move on from this one.....

Guess maybe you Should retire from evaluating girls lacrosse teams. Maybe you should have realized that Heros was playing a bunch of B teams last week.

Guess maybe you Should retire from evaluating girls lacrosse teams. Maybe you should have realized that Heros was playing a bunch of B teams last week. [/quot

Checkhers Black and Integrity are not B teams. M&D played a true group of B's. Lakeshore? NXT? TLC? I'm not sure which one of the 18 2021 YJ teams they played. And, I've been involved with lax for a long time time. What I saw was a Hero's team that would beat M&D.

We can all agree on one thing. Heros coaches would win a screaming contest.

Woulda, shoulda, coulda, all words on a board. What happened on the field yesterday?

Why are you people even trying to compare teams in fall ball? Many of the best athletes are off with other commitments to soccer, field hockey, life or just off season downtime.

Perhaps you missed it, Hero's lost to M&D yesterday.

Heros may have lost but more importantly their coach won the rumpelstiltskin impersonation contest!

CheckHers Black lost to Heros White today? What does your thorough experience and knowledge make of that?

I voted for him!

Heros White is pretty good.

Nah, heros white coach spends way too much actually coaching and not nearly enough time screaming at the girls like those awesome heros green coaches!

Obv post is from someone with different motivation as "screaming" coach wasn't even there all weekend. Heros 2021 is second to only mnd at this point.

And where would you say YJ 2021 is in your rankings?

yellow jackets coaches dont yell at their girls enough to be in same league as heros, sorry

club lax is all about the noise!

I'll assume you are trolling since M&D beat Heros rather easily on Saturday. And both teams were at full strength. If you think Checkhers is an A team, you are proving my point. They lost to Heros White and Rebels.

YJ is third since they haven't beaten heros

Have YJ and Heros played other than Lax for the Cure last summer? YJ won that game 10-7.

Having played both teams several times, YJ is a far better team than Heros.

Beat them the last three times they played...

best PROGRAM is heros. Best a and b teams up and down all age groups. May not have best top teams but always in top two or three. And always have the top second team. Bang for buck its heros!

Whatever. This is the 2021 thread. Has any Heros team ever beaten M&D Black or YJ Blue? Congratulations. Your White team is the top B team.

Here is another example of people reacting to someone with obviously little or no direct information. This is not a Hero's person making noise, it is someone who does not know the history of games and results with Hero's and the other teams or they would not be on here making claims. People love to start trouble for the top teams, and this is starting trouble for Hero's.

Well said, it is definitely not someone with Heros or they would definitely know that Heros has never beaten either Mnd black or YJ Blue.

Well, Heros parents have been talking a lot about how great they were going to be this year with the new girls they got from Bitmore.

Are they still talking about it?

Yes, that is true about elevate in all age groups. Even elevates pride and joy, their 2017 which was once dominant has become less competitive. All of their other age groups 2018 - 2021 have a couple of above average kids but as teams, they are a B or C+ club at best. Directors have driven all the best kids away. I know at some ages they are still struggling tonfield 2 teams.

Wow I guess you have an axe to grind with Elevate?

Bitter much? Guess you lost something somewhere along the line.. You are very transparent. Grow a set of balls and sign your name...

What exactly is your beef with this club? You sound like a jilted lover!

Are they still talking about it? [/quote]

that heros team has only practice together for a little. As lacrosse teams go's they will get better when they's play as a team. Weather we see it this next tournament or after, they're playing will get better when there play's as a team. The heros team has very good goalies and that is what will make them bettre than Mnd and JY. There fist goalie has to get use to a new coach but will soon doing better. Wells see how the rest of the games goes.

that heros team has only practice together for a little. As lacrosse teams go's they will get better when they's play as a team. Weather we see it this next tournament or after, they're playing will get better when there play's as a team. The heros team has very good goalies and that is what will make them bettre than Mnd and JY. There fist goalie has to get use to a new coach but will soon doing better. Wells see how the rest of the games goes. [/quote]

Trying to translate this.
Kids need to practice together to jell, makes sense.
Same coach but among the new additions is another goalie?
Once that goalie learns the coaches defensive schema the whole team becomes better then YJ and M&D?
The new goalie is better then the old goalie and better them YJs or M&Ds goalies?

Trying to translate this.
Kids need to practice together to jell, makes sense.
Same coach but among the new additions is another goalie?
Once that goalie learns the coaches defensive schema the whole team becomes better then YJ and M&D?
The new goalie is better then the old goalie and better them YJs or M&Ds goalies?
[/quote]

Good job was trying to make sense of that post as well, hopefully written by a Heros player and not a parent
Either way should be an exciting summer season. I'm sure there will be some new player additions to both YJ and M&D and betting both teams will only be stronger.

Trying to translate this.
Kids need to practice together to jell, makes sense.
Same coach but among the new additions is another goalie?
Once that goalie learns the coaches defensive schema the whole team becomes better then YJ and M&D?
The new goalie is better then the old goalie and better them YJs or M&Ds goalies?
[/quote]

LOL. Thanks for the translation. YJ has a fantastic goalie and M&D added a great goalie this season. Should be fun. maybe Heros can actually beat one of the two this year.

Apparently someone does not understand all the dynamics involve around the crease. A so-so goalie can look really good if the defenders are giving her the shots that she wants. But, if the defense is just letting shooters waltz in then she has no chance. Overall - there are 11 bodies in front of that goalie. Let's see how they step up.

Well said. Everybody is an expert on goalies. Especially those that have never played the position.

All valid points but unless I missed something, I don't think anyone was bashing the goalies on any of these teams mentioned above?

"The heros team has very good goalies and that is what will make them bettre than Mnd and JY."

That sounds like a jab at both M&D/YJ goalies to me.

First of all, that was from the illiterate poster. Secondly, don't be so sensitive Nancy.

If you had to play the position - or even the sport - to post on here, you'd lose 90% of the comments.

So illiterate people should be ignored? That comment started the whole goalie conversation. Secondly, my name's not Nancy.

It's Sally who is the sensitive one.

Obviously, there is a troll on here spouting off about Heros 2021. We have seen things like Heros will crush M&D this year. Heros will be impossible to beat with the new girls from Bitmore. Even after M&D easily beat Heros last week they were still on here posting Heros was better than M&D.

You are all feeding into this nonsense by even responding to them. If Heros beats M&D or YJ then there can be a discussion. Until then, it's all noise.

Heros be the bestest's club team out there! There goalies be the bestest's around!

It's no surprise to see that particular team spouting nonsense. From the highest level of professional athletics to the darkest corners of youth club sports, teams (and their parents) take on the identity of their coaches.

to be one of the top three teams in any sport is amazing. For the angry, seek counseling.

Sounds like a good idea, but do you think you will be able to remain in the top 3 with your coaches in counseling?

What is all this about the Heros coaches? Played them many times and never noticed any issues.

I think I have seen you before. You are the guy that always has headphones on during the games.

Not at all. My daughter's team has never lost to them, so I would have expected that I would have noticed it. There are far more obnoxious coaches out there than Heros. Pure Lacrosse being the top of the heap in that regard. Have seen Integrity's coach go crazy as well.

Honestly I have never noticed this from Heros. Maybe someone has an ax to grind?

Obv someone w an axe to grind and the best he can come up with is the coaches yell at games. The only coaches that do that in travel lacrosse. How dare they.

Not for nothing how else do you get info to a player 50 yards away . Too funny!

Any good games this weekend?

M&D vs Heros Sunday morning.

Heros and mnd Sunday. Both teams practiced this week on the same field. Good to see the girls all together. Maybe heros has a chance w a good second half last week against them. Mnd still the team to beat at this age group. Nothing more fun then seeing all these girls compete at the very highest level.

Giants vs. Tampa Bay

My point exactly! You cannot avoid it and with the defense also yelling and calling, "bawl, bawl" constantly - one does need to scream at the top of their lungs to provide precise instructions on offensive sets, formations and options to the players. Plus, if a player messes up - you need to correct it immediately. It's just not prudent to wait for that player to come back to the bench and instruct them there. And for some of those players - that may end being at half-time. If the girls cannot handle the yelling then they should not have signed on - it will only get worse. In fact, I think the Hero's coaches are pretty well modeling themselves after another successful program and coach out there with a proven track record. I see nothing wrong with emulating Mike McLaughlin - he has produced outstanding talent.

As a coach, you do not yell out loud to a player on the field and tell her she "messed up". You are then making an example out of her to the entire team and people on the sideline. when these players get to the recruitment age, do you really want to yell out that they messed up in front of a sideline of college coaches?
You wait for an opportunity to sub for her and explain to her what she needs to do to correct her mistake. If you constantly yell at players for making mistakes then they will not take risks on the field for fear of being "singled out". Coaching 101.

Just because you are yelling to a player doesn't mean you are yelling at a player. You can yell to let a player know " That's exactly how I want it done " " Double ball now" Some adjustments need to be done on the fly ,remember there are no timeouts

Good point. These are 12 year old girls. They don't know the game well enough to just go out there and play. They need to be instructed throughout the game or they will not ever progress and grow.

[/quote]Good point. These are 12 year old girls. They don't know the game well enough to just go out there and play. They need to be instructed throughout the game or they will not ever progress and grow. [/quote]

Hey, I see what you did there.

It's how you "instruct" them that makes the difference.

heros 2021 defense is better and the goalies be getting better. They's hold mnd to only 7 goals today.

how many did heros score?

Not as many as they were instructed to.

Heros up 4-2 at half. Switched goalies and the rest was history.mmwe did not switch and that was the difference. Gonna be good battles for years to come. Great game to watch.

And I had to put ear plugs in because the coach was yelling so much.?.?.?.? LoL

Mnd won 7-5.

That heros team was the first team to have us down at half. Good to have competition finally.

Was not a sharp day for M&D. Couldn't win a draw all day. Stars was winning over M&D 9-5 with 10 mins left. M&D scored last 5 goals to win 10-9. Scored 10 goals on 10 shots. They will always get everyone's best effort. It will be hard to win every game if they can't win draws.

Dudes were in Yodel mode on Sunday, that is for sure. Good grief!!!

Speaking of insane coaches, on Sunday I heard a Skywalkers Blue coach (the old guy that just sits down on a chair and yells) tell one of his "assistants" to "Tell her to come here right now and bring me a beer!" He was YELLING! What kind of "coach" says that? To 7th graders? Girls? Insane is all I can say.

I would have asked for something stiffer if I were MM. Maybe the heros coaches should have a drink and chill.

Ok who else was thinking of " The Bad News Bears " by the way Walter Matthau's character was named Coach Buttermaker. Feel free to refer to said coach as Buttemaker

We have all seen parent on side line with red solo
Cups and that shouldn't be tolerated at a youth event but for a coach
He should have been removed from fields for the rest of the day
As coach you are teaching more than a role dodge or how to control the draw
Classless act in my opinion
If this is a on going situation then perhaps organization needs to replace him
Save ur beers for after the game. When your home your home you old drunk
Probably sits in the chair because he has knocked back to many to stand

Well said. There are plenty of things that should not be tolerated on the sidelines of youth events. The red cups could be the start - but, lets keep going with the classless stuff. Anyone else want to chime in?

After I heard him say it, I looked over and one of his "assistants" gave him the "be quiet" sound. He tried to laugh it off, but he was busted. I don't know how good of a coach he is, but he sure can yell. He was definitely trying to be "smooth" like a used car salesman.

Is this story true about the SW coach? For real? Or just another instigator?

True. I was 10 feet from him when he said it.

Did he actually have a red solo cup on the sideline? Or is he being crucified for making an off-hand comment about needing a drink after watching how badly his team was playing? Are we to the point now that the thought police will be patrolling the sidelines? If that is the case - then they will have their hands full. My other question is - why were there so many parents near the benches?

No, he did not have a red solo cup that I saw. To me, his comment was not intended literally, but it was (in my opinion) way out of line. He seemed to be quick to call girls over to the sidelines where he was sitting to explain to them what he saw that they had done "wrong". Like I said earlier, he seemed to be trying to be very "smooth", kind of like a used car salesman. He made a couple of other comments that weren't as odd, but they did catch me off-guard and I heard his assistant to tell him to shush, or quiet down. And no, no thought police here. But, as a coach, you should hold yourself to a high standard and I think he came up short. Just coach and leave the smarmy comments for later.

Are we still talking about the Skywalkers coach? Just want to make sure - for future reference. I do know that it is definitely none of the heros green coaches - he called them over to the sidelines to make corrections and did not yell it out for all to hear. And mnd has a woman coaching - definitely not her. This is all great stuff.

Yes. Why anyone ever allows their daughter to play for MM is beyond me. At least they all get to give him a hug after practice. Nuts.

What if your choices were MM or Heros or Pure Lacrosse?

That is a lot of noise right there my friend.

It's funny but we played heros last weekend in a close game and I didn't notice the coaches once for any reason.

Where is Pure Lacrosse based out of? Where are they from?

Yes, we're still talking about SkyWalkers, not Hero's or M&D or Integrity or any other club team. I do not know the name of the coach I heard and saw that day, but I've heard things about MM on here. It sounds like it was him. And, what's with the post-game hugs?

MM absolutely degrades and belittles the girls during his practices. Then at the end, they all have to give him a hug. Creepy

Where is Monster Lax from? They were looking really good today.

LI. Play M&D in morning. See how it goes

Rochester not LI. Solid team. Good for them!

It looks like you can add them to the conversation along with Mnd and YJ Blue when talking about the top teams in 2021.

Thats great good for them. Good competition helps all teams.

It would be great to have the additional competition. Did they beat Hero's Green yesterday and the M&D game this am should be coming to a close. What were the results?

We beat Heros Green 8-7. Just lost to M&D 11-4. Proud of our girls.

Great win over Hero's, that is a very good team. Perhaps pump the breaks a bit after the M&D game. Best luck in the summer, sounds like a bright future for the program.

What ended up happening with the 2021's at the Mid-Atlantic?

Sorry. Can't hear you. Stood too close to Heros Coaches.

I saw this team this summer. They did very well in pool play but did not last past the 1st round in playoffs.

Can you really add this team to the conversation along with M&D and YJ blue? The only reason YJ and MnD are in a comparison is because each team has never lost a game to any other team except each other.

Sounds like a valid argument on both sides. But, in a top 3 discussion - which seems to be the norm here - who? Definitely not Sky Walkers, TCL Red could be valid, Heros has whithered under the bright lights. Besides, it would be nice to have an upstate NY team to talk about instead of just MD and LI.

TLC Red went 0-4 at Mid-Atlantic this weekend, so you can scratch them from the list.

While a top 3 discussion may be the norm here, it is quite apparent that at this point in the 2021 age, there are 2 teams that are heads and shoulders above everyone else. While they may run into so close games, until someone beats M&D or YJ, that's the way it is. It really doesn't matter who is #3 if no one can beat #1 and #2.

While Monster had some good players, not sure you can put them or any one else for that matter in the discussion with M&D and YJ when talking about the top 2021 teams. I would think that the Monster parents would agree that there was quite a difference between the two teams yesterday.

Didn't MD United East beat M n D last year in spring league?

No. M&D blew out MD United both times in the Spring and also 17-4 in the finals of the spring league.

Must not of been in the playoffs. They didn't make it.

MD United East 2021 had a few defections, I know of 2 that are now with MND, and 1 that is with another club

Why did they jump ship?

Have you seen M&D 2021 Black play? Why wouldn't they want to play for that team and for that coach?

That coach is way too quiet. They will never win anything.

Maybe she can get one of her assistants to step up and turn up the volume some.

We get it. Hero's coaches yell a lot. Still one of the best programs around. Please tell us where your daughter plays. You are coming off as a troll.

Question - Does CR ever flat out cut girls completely if there aren't enough girls to fill a roster for a C or D team?

The funny thing is, they don't even really yell at all. Very petty of the troll.

Okay, I am seeing tons off "troll" references on various threads. Used to be used as a verb, like trolling for fish, set the bait out and wait for someone or something to bite at it. Now people are using it as a noun, calling people a troll like the quizzical creatures that live under the bridges. Maybe we have a combination of both?

I think the fishing reference still applies.. Some jerk off posts something outta a line on one of these threads and waits for someone to take the bait and off we go..

Yes

or she will make a combo team with two ages

It should be literally and figuratively quiet for a while. All the fall tournaments are done with.

I think the quiet time will end when the last club rosters are announced. That usually gets people fired up.

Who gets fired up about the "last club" rosters? It will probably start with the first club rosters - more specifically the exclusions.

So true, especially 7/8th grade is when we typically see most movement on top teams

If you were planning on being on this clubs top team and you aren't placed there you are out of options because all of the other clubs have had tryouts already. This can cause problems.

No doubt there will be some movement on top team but reality is those players will still be better off on 2nd YJ team then any other club once parents players get past their bruised ego. Let's say 4-6 move down, those are solid players that will now become major contributors. Gap now closes between 1st and 2nd team plus with Bert now coaching solves last years biggest gripe. Look at 2020 last year, both very solid competive teams and probably best two teams on LI. Now moving from 2nd to 3 team not so good and might be time to re-evaluate. No chest pounding but quality of YJ second teams to other clubs 2 and some top teams is night and day especially as girls get older.

How do they compare to the Maryland teams since LI is a given.

From club website: SUMMER ROSTERS WILL BE POSTED Dec 6th Class 2017-2022

TG will post a few weeks after that once girls from the YJ 4th and 5th teams turn down spots, then call TG for spots on their purple team like last year.

TG will post a few weeks after that once girls from the YJ 4th and 5th teams turn down spots, then call TG for spots on their purple team like last year.

TG doesn't wait for YJ the roster is set and willwill be posted as usual. Can't wait to see how many teams YJ has this year

{quote=Anonymous]

What comes after YJ White?

TG black.

Dillusional

CR smiling all the way to the bank. They technically did away with the colors and teams are listed by coach from top to bottom.

TG rosters are set. Much stronger team than last year added quality players and dropped f&f

seeing is believing

Is there still 8 girls from WB on the black team?

7 from WB

Those WB girls have earned there spot so just move on

Take TG's out of the equation and take WBab out of the equation. These clubs are supposed to be drawing girls from all over the island to put together the top team. This happens with other clubs too, you get a townie coach or worse a townie parent coach and this stuff happens. In this case you have a townie club director. Any school district is lucky to have one top kid on a top team, really lucky if maybe two or three can play at that level. 7-8? But competitively, this really isn't a top team. Don't know these girls so maybe they truly do belong, but the lopsided numbers screams politics. This could be a sign of TG's dwindling ability to draw in talent from an array of districts.

I don't think the townie travel team is always a bad thing. When you have 22-25 girls on a roster, it is hard to fill in bottom spots with talent from other towns. Girls still want to play with a few of their friends for the most part, so there are groups of girls from the same town on many travel teams, not just TG. This is not a problem, but could be when one of the friends doesn't make a top team or decides to move to another team. In that case, girls can leave in great numbers, or parents have a big decision to make to keep their daughter with their friends on the new team, or stay on previous team without their friends. Travel is about lacrosse, and not about town friends, so I agree there. In many cases, car pooling is an issue you get when you have many girls from one town. Not many parents have the time available to give up 3 hours driving and staying at practices without a carpool, or without living in close proximity to the club where they aren't forced to stay in situations where they have other children or responsibilities to tend to.

Well put
The carpool is always a nice bonus

YJ hiding their rosters from public next week. Interesting.

More or less TG alienating girls from other districts and shrinking their pool. This has driven many girls away.

[quote=Anonymous]YJ hiding their rosters from public next week. Interesting

The YJ will have you sign in to access rosters

Elevate will email you the roster

TG doesn't allow you to access the rosters nor do they email you the roster. When you accept a position for your daughter you are blindly accepting not knowing who else is on the roster and you won't find out until spring practice.

Do you think that girls don't text each other? Roster spots were known right after emails were sent when girls communicated. TG girls play with each other outside of club, but also played at Hofstra 7v7 in October.

If YJ aren't posting their rosters which they always have done It just goes to show how super competitive the whole club and parent scene is. Everyone trying to hide names, teams and roster numbers.

YJ's are down in enrollment and so are a lot of other clubs. It was going straight up for a while and it seems like a lot of players on 2nd and 3rd teams elsewhere and 4th, 5th and 6th teams with YJ's are really questioning whether all this money and time is really worth it or are they just making these rich directors richer?

Your whole argument is based on generalized assumptions and sounds like you're trying to stir the pot. Reread the last few pages, YJ rosters will be posted on the 6th.

Trust me it is not the money, it is the cesspool that has become club lacrosse. Many former players are happy to have their kids playing the game and enjoying themselves on town teams.

Couldn't agree more toxic sidelines with a me first attitude as everyone tries to make money or get recruited. Wait til you get to HS. Lacrosse has the worst parent sideline in HS sports. So sad, process and parents are ruining a great TEAM game

It's strange, because college coaches generally don't care/watch high school games. Should be a place where teamwork and spirit thrives?

Because unlike club where the only people that care or pay attention are the 25 parents on the team. Scoring on the school team gets your name in the paper! So the selfish game becomes more selfish. When teams are winning big try passing the ball that would be a great first step in correcting

You would think so, but I guess the girls can't turn it on and off when they go between club and HS. Sad.

Well, maybe the "town teams" on Long Island or upstate are better. But, the politics and cronyism have taken over the local or rec programs throughout parts of Maryland. That is probably one of the main reasons why a club spring league has flourished. The local PTA cliques have taken over the town teams or MYLA rec programs.

So YJ rosters were posted tonight! I know one parent who is freaking the F out right now!!!

care to explain? you seem wayyy too excited by this.

Yrs, every team has several players that were moved down and sad or upset players and parents. But every team also has new players who were brought up or on the team who are happy and thrilled, this is how it works.

you seem a little too invested in this, don't you think? Why don't you post your name dingleberry? Then we can laugh at what a jerk off you are ... No doubt everyone knows it already ...

So this is what the site is about? Calling people jerk off? Nice parenting. I think the monitors of this site a jerk offs for letting you post.

Hey, loser.. Call me a jerk off with your name attached and then and ONLY then will it "maybe" mean something. You can seriously kiss my [lacrosse]!!!

So this is what the site is about? Calling people jerk off? Nice parenting. I think the monitors of this site a jerk offs for letting you post.

I see. This site is for anonymously calling out a 12 year old girl who likely is bummed out right now based on what you are suggesting. And you seem to be taking great joy in it. Which is about as pathetic an act as I have seen on this board. So own up to it and stick your name on the comment. Like I said, my guess is that most of the people involved with your club know who you are anyway and likely want you somewhere else other than their sideline.

Unfortunately we all have these jerks on the sidelines regardless of town or club affiliation but I would really like to think it was not directed at a 12yr old. Reality is every year kids move up, move down or move clubs and they will all be fine. But for a parent to take pleasure and make a public comment is troublesome and you are most likely dealing with other inadequacy issues! Remember OP what goes around comes around.

Freaking out is a little dramatic but many are leaving for other clubs.

It's the same crap everywhere. Everytme, everyone is leaving after rosters are posted... Top Guns will probably take anyone who wants to leave, the are pretty depleted over there and they will throw anyone from a YJ team onto the Purple without a tryout. They did it last year.

Kids going to A teams not B

Doesn't really speak well for the other clubs does it? Making room on their top teams at this late date should make you question why, especially if they never saw your kid play? Club directors must be really desperate especially to risk ticking off their existing players/parents who legitimately attended tryouts and wanted to be there in the first place. Good luck to all

Will there be any challengers to M&D and YJ ? Did any of the top 2 teams pick up players who will actually play when the top teams meet or did they pick up players who will get their minutes in blowouts?

Will there be any challengers to M&D and YJ ? Did any of the top 2 teams pick up players who will actually play when the top teams meet or did they pick up players who will get their minutes in blowouts? [/quote

My money is on Elevate this summer over YJ! DK will be hands on with this team plus added quality players. Will be a fun summer for sure

I heard all the best players from last year left Elevate at this age group.

MD United East should be in the conversation. They knocked off M&D last summer

This is the age where Hero's usually starts to move to the top,they might be in the conversation as well

Besides YJ, will any of these teams be going to the US Nationals in July?

Elevate? No chance. All the good players left for Igloo due to the coaching. Elevate A team will be like a PAL team at best.

Heard a ton of chirping on here all last year how elevate was poised to step up last summer and be a top contender. They actually took a step backwards last year and look to be taking another step back for this coming year.

If Elevates top players are now playing for Igloo; as with any team losing their top players they are sure to struggle and not compete.

The elevate director does the chirping.

They need to get past Monster first.

They picked up players from their B and C teams.

Remember folks lacrosse is a team sport. Sometimes you do have strong players on a team but if they don't pass and play a team game it's a losing cause.

Stop. The Elevate 2021 Team was blown out by M&D and YJ and lost to TG last summer. They lost their top players to Igloo. This Elevate team will have their hands full with teams like Legacy and Icon. My guess is you wont even see them in the same brackets as they played in the last 2 years. Elevate has taken a big step back.

Who is [***] ?

Stop. The Elevate 2021 Team was blown out by M&D and YJ and lost to TG last summer. They lost their top players to Igloo. This Elevate team will have their hands full with teams like Legacy and Icon. My guess is you wont even see them in the same brackets as they played in the last 2 years. Elevate has taken a big step back.

TG will be stronger this summer with BS taking a hands on roll with this team.

With all the club movement can anyone offer advice on how to safely remove bumper stickers?

Has BS had success coaching? I know the older age groups were very successful (2014,2015,2016) just wasn't sure if he was coaching.

Heard this club is a mess and can't even fill 2nd teams? Has the age group been competitive in prior years? Even Liberty beat them at their own tourny last summer and that's not saying much!

thats the problem, they refuse to pay coaches so they wind up with uninterested college kids and the family trio coaching all the teams

The saying goes " great players don't necessarily make great coaches". Does being the father or brother of a great player make you a great coach?

So true Dave k is the only one to pay compliments to himself no one else has anything nice to say worst human being/coach I ever met

It is really disgusting how you come in here over and over and over to bad mouth DK. You obviously have no life..

DK is a god on this site and ANY badmouthing of him and Elevate is not permissible..on the other hand, TG and BS are fair game as well as most/all other programs...

Do you know what he does? He is in it for the money..Thats it. Daughter wants to quit the team but he made us pay in full..If we didnt he would charge interest...I hope more parents open their eyes to this program..Very misleading..$$$$ grab.

Listen, no one is a God on this site.. Elevate isn't a sponsor. I don't know him nor do I have an allegiance to him. I have said this before. This thread has the absolute worst case of stalking ever.

It just makes me laugh that this lone turkey comes in to snipe every day.. It is really sad that he is so obsessed with ANY person no matter what his name is..

You forget that I see who is posting.

agreed..scary that anyone would be that hard-up about another adult...especially a Lax coach!.... but DK has burned many folks and nobody can ignore that fact...

I hear you and understand.. It is still frightening that someone is THAT crazy.

Not taking any sides but not sure I'm buying this? You had a choice to make after tryouts to either accept or decline your position. He didn't "make you pay" you wrote the check. Sounds like there's two sides to this story.

The problem with these forums is you only seem to get really happy drinking the kool-aid folks or the really disgruntled ones who come on here and love to bash. There's been a lot of good information shared on this site and a lot of BS too.

How true it is!!!!!$$$$$$$$

Elevate made you pay in full? I thought they had a payment plan. Why does she want to quit?

LOL! Yup. "Made them accept the position".
"They made me sign the paper or else I would wake up with my daughter's pony..."

I think what was meant was that they have made several payments adding up to a large sum of money and now that they have played in a few tournaments and maybe had a few practices they are regretful. It's not a good feeling when you pay a lot of money for a product that doesn't live up to your expectations.

Elevate has changed a lot in one year. They seem more desperate than ever for money. A lot of kids on my daughters team left during the fall. People seem very unhappy and I think they are doing what they can to hold it together. This will be our last year at Elevate as well but at this point I am just hoping they survive until the summer!

Not sure how one would infer that but if more people would post like you instead of, he made me pay or else, they would be more credible and helpful for others in making an informed decision.

If you pay the full fee in the fall for elevate, that's the charge. If you choose to lay in installments, you are charged interest/service fee, whatever you want to call it. So if you can't hand over the full amount when accepting your daughters position, you
pay extra in addition to the regular fee.

Elevate has changed a lot since last year. The club had multiple sessions for testing at the Hub in Syosett last year. They have nothing this year. nothing. Why? No one knows. No reason given. Anyone know why? Seems very odd. Quality girls left the program for a start up program at Igloo. Def step backward.

The Hub changed owners.

The bottom line is that you now have (2) teams that will not compete at the upper level of play. Say what you want but Elevate could at least give you a game in the past. Sorry to say it but both Elevate and Igloo will struggle if they happen to enter into the top brackets at tournaments. If your daughter wants to be challenged you really only have one choice to play top flight competition. It's a shame but that is the reality of this age group on LI.

I heard they won't allow Dave back

and what happened at Cold Spring Harbor, where Elevate had full run of facilities/...coincidence that Elevate loes both Hub AND CSH in same season?

Not a coincidence at all. I believe the way Elevate does business has caught up with them and everyone in the lacrosse copmmunity is aware of it. I see other girls teams playig at the HUB all the time (eg. Liberty) but have never seen Elevate there this year. Coincidence...... I think not. Karma....more likely.

Mm
Elevate picked up some unhappy girls and will be fine. The igloo girls will be disenchanted and go next year. It's the way it rolls.

Was the team really in that bad a shape that it needed a bunch of unhappy girls? If the prior bunch of top players left what has changed? Never a good sign when top players walk away from the A team and not talking about disgruntled players moving down.

You people are really sad. You are exactly what's wrong with youth sports. Merry Christmas - try hugging your kids rather than posting your negative garbage here.

When you say unhappy don't you really mean they were cut from the team they were on. Lots of luck with that bunch!

Was there any movement from TG to the other clubs? The rosters won't be posted any time soon.

Why have tryouts in August if you don't plan to post a roster?

Why post a roster ? No other club does

Hey troll. Why are you so fixated on TG roster. The girls know which team they are on. You don't need to know. See ya. Merry Christmas

You sound like the elevate poster who keeps saying everything is just fine.

There's nothing worse then accepting your spot, send in your payment and find out half have left and club is now scrambling to fill out teams.

What do the date of the tryouts and posting or not posting rosters have to do with each other?

There is a difference between posting rosters and making proposed rosters available for invited people to see. The rosters are the clubs and players business, no need to publicly post them. But proposed rosters should certainly be available to players making a decision to take a roster spot for a multitude of reasons. Did they make the right choices of players moving up, down, coming ,going. Did they get rid of the loud mouth parents that know one wants to stand next to on the sidelines. Is the politically placed kids situation getting worse or better, etc.... I find YJs choice to only show invited players the roster interesting, I know so many players who were scared to even try out because they posted every name who tried out and put them in an awkward situation if they went back to club they were trying to leave. I think you will see a huge surge in talent trying out next year because they can do it anonymously, with no repercussions of going back to their original club if it doesn't work out.

TG is not the club it used to be and they are hurting like a bunch of other clubs. Clubs are struggling to fill rosters. Several years back they were the closest competition to YJ but the top girls have left and now the B team has become the A team and people get all defensive. The reason why so many jumped to a startup like Igloo is because they have become disillusioned and not just a TG thing. Will Igloo be successful who knows.

I don't buy they were scared to tryout. Whether or not the roster is made public everyone knows who went to the tryout and everybody's standing around talking about other kids. Probably more like scared of not making the top team and where they would be placed but that doesn't sound as good.

BS has seen many of his best girls leave his club, and many driven away due to the frustration of better players having to play with lesser players from towns he favors, sick of seeing superior teammates on purple teams while stuck playing with lesser players on Black teams. BS has also dropped the ball recently in the recruiting department, many older girls 2018 especially had jumped ship, and that one hurt him as those were his better players, but in 8 weeks with YJ those girls have had 5x the college contacts that they have had with BS. When you have quality 2017's leaving too, then you know the ship is sinking.

So if he posted his roster it would be very embarrassing for him, SS and the club. It probably would lead to other departures especially now programs are popping up in their area and drawing upon their pool And the cThat speak volumes when older girls leave your Black team and take a spot on another programs 2nd team. The silence from the TG camp is deafening.

Yawn

You keep posting this, but that doesn't make it true. MD United East got blown out every time they played M&D in 2015. And now their goalie moved to M&D. Last time the teams played, M&D won 17-4 in spring championships. I don't think that they played last summer as MD United usually chooses to play in lesser tournaments or is not in the top bracket when they are at the same place.

That's what happened at elevate all the good players left and Dave is scrambling to create a 2018 team unfortunately people want to stay away from him and team elevate I wish I knew before I paid

As a member of a TG family, you are totally wrong. Most girls have no idea who will be on their team. If the Sunday morning practices are any indication, TG is still looking for players. Very few girls at every age group are showing up for practices.

Elevate picks up the unhappy YJ leftovers every year. Good players that will get them through one more year but long term this team cannot thrive this way.

It's right in the middle of basketball season and volley ball season . . . it is not lacrosse season. Many girls play basketball, which is why winter lax league teams have sketchy attendance, and girls don't attend lax winter clinics. The girls knew who made each team right after tryouts because the girls text each other right after roster emails are sent out. The only girls who might not know their teammates are the new girls.

Yup, girls don't show up to weekend lax practice because of middle school basketball and volley ball.

Why? Does your daughters 2018 Elevate team need more players?

What Summer tourneys are M&D playing in this year? You guys have amazing talent.

Why don't you just check your daughter's M&D schedule that's hanging on the fridge?

You seriously think an M&D Parent posted that? Assume you are from Heros.

Maybe those Monsters from Upstate NY want another shot at the top of the food chain.

Probably an MD United follower. They're apparently the last team that had the Kryptonite, beating M&D in the Fall Uprising in 2014

Right..Because in a Braveheart after a 20 minute playoff game is a true test of who's the better team as opposed to the many blowouts in full games that have followed.

I keep seeing reference to this Monster team. Did they beat M&D black?

Pretty sure that M&D lost in the summer of 2015. And more than once.

Just an angry X heros parent posting stuff. No biggie

M&D 2021's a definitely beatable.

They lost to who? We know they battle back and forth with YJ, is there another team you are referring to?

No. They got blown out by M&D black this fall. They did beat TLC and Heros though.

Pretty sure you are wrong. M&D lost one game to YJ by one goal at Lax for the Cure. That's it. Won every other tournament they played in as well as the MD Club spring league.

No crap. Every team is beatable. But in the last 15 months only one team has been able to do it. Once.

So.

Saw them play this fall. Goalie/defense is a strength, nice transition game. The only possible dent in the armor I saw was on the offensive end. At times they turned the ball over running into double teams rather than dishing it off. They'll get it fixed...

Actually MD beat YJ twice and they lost to YJ three times and tied once last year if you want to be accurate. Our greatest competition by far is MD. look forward to every game. This year should be just as competitive, Our tournament schedule came out today, we will see them 3 times this year we hope, But we are not doing the Towson camp again and not going to Ocean City either. Too far for 20 minute games I am assuming.

Kk

What kinds of changes did each team make ?

I do want to be accurate. M&D won every tournament that they played in other than Lax for the Cure. They lost to YJ there by a goal. What were the other 2 wins you are claiming this year? I assume you are counting the game at camp that was not attended by all players and where the teams weren't coached by their own coaches? If you want to claim that one ok, but what was the third one? M&D could count the win at Young Guns this fall where they blew out YJ but that would be unfair. Just curious where you are coming up with 3 wins over M&D this year.

Yeah agree with you, don't know where the third win came from either???? At the end of the day, these teams only played each other in two tournaments that had their respective club send them to, all others were optional showings. Split the summer tournaments 1-1.
I made a post that wasn't meant to set off a YJ vs MD argument, was more interested in the MD united claims of having beat m&d black, which I now believe is put to rest.

No argument at all, by far best 2 teams out there. MD & YJ. First game we played you beat us by 2, then beat us by 1, then we tied, then we beat you buy 1, then we beat you by 2, then we beat you by a brave heart at camp which you can count or not, doesn't matter either way. Absolutely love playing you guys, win or lose!!! Beats blowing teams out by 15 goals anyday!!!
They made some changes to us this year, dropped 4 girls and one girl moved to another club because of the travel, family was spread out too thin and they wanted to be together more. They added 5 girls which will improve us. I'm sure you guys made changes also. Good luck!!

I think people are confused by when you beat M&D by 2. Where was that? I'm getting old, but I certainly don't recall that game. The braveheart was at camp in Towson. The 1 goal win by YJ was at Lax for the Cure. Where did YJ beat M&D by 2?

Who cares? Apparently the teams played a bunch of close games last summer; new season coming up. Stop living through your 12-year olds and move on!

what the [lacrosse] are you talking about? No one is living through their 12 year old. It's an honest question on when YJ beat M&D by 2.

I guess M&D has their share of crazies too! Who really cares about last summer when these girls were 11? Are these really the two best teams in the entire 2021 universe? Kinda sounds like it..

Which team are you referring to when you they turn the ball over running into double teams? YJ have a good number who never give up the ball.

What are you putting to rest? MD United beat M&D, not sure what you are putting to rest? Also have you checked the MD Brine roster?? MD United has more girls on the Brine than M&D, so that must mean something.

Most likely someone affiliated with MD United was part of the selection process for Brine (a total money grab) or M&D chose not to participate in such a lackluster tournament. The talent level of these two teams is not really comparable.

M&D black had the tendency to turn it over. Top level team with girls that are encouraged to go to goal rather than distribute ball in order to pad numbers. Not uncommon with these teams...

Brine is a joke.

You have just described 95% of youth lacrosse! It's taught at a young age when girls are encouraged to run down the middle and shoot every time. Even with the three pass rule in PAL you hear them yelling pass back to me.

The best is when a girl will run them entire field without passing, gets triple teamed and still try's to shoot and the ball dribbles out.

I've seen that everywhere from PAL to club to HS and it never fails to annoy. Side eye to all the number-runners.

Where these rosters posted? I am assuming that most of the M&D girls did not bother going to the tryouts this fall. First off, the Brine team is a bit of a joke, and secondly, there is another tryout in Baltimore in the Spring. If they are trying out, why would they drive down there?

Have you ever actually watched them play? The girls are never encouraged to go to goal. The reason they are successful is that they move the ball so well for their age as well as their communication on defense.

Another disgruntled lax mom whose daughter got cut...

Well the "Best" club seems to have girl’s tryout for Brine. Neither M&D nor United travel to second and third tier tournaments and tout themselves as champs of the world when really they are afraid of M&D and YJ

As for the money grab, it is whatever. Girls get to play more, play more with different input. I tend to think it is more about Brand loyalty than the money. The real money is made by the Tournaments and “whoever” is running them. Maybe the “whoever’s” are the one’s calling it a money grab because they are afraid of losing their own money grab. If you are kept in the dark about your options, the “whoever’s” get to keep you drinking their kool-aid and your cash as well.

Md United's directors are the type that push their players to tryout for EVERY team, in the hopes that some of them make at least one team. Then, when a few of them make a team like the Brine ones they boast about it like they just won the national championship. The director has zero coaching resume'. Her daughter was a good player, but that by itself doesn't make mommy a good coach. Md United is ran by a person who is business-minded, not lacrosse-minded. Lots of hype, no substance. When they first showed up a few years ago, she was able to poach some good players from good teams by telling them she was a lacrosse God. Now though, the word is out. Just another club lax team. Meh.

YJ rosters posted. Looks like many bailed on 4th team so back to 3, probably a wise choice.
2nd team looks strong with some nice additions and will be very competitive this summer.