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Any information about the new 2023 Green Turtle team? Is it just Lax World rebranded with the same players? Who will be the coach?

I imagine it will just be the 2023 Lax World team rebranded. GT didn’t field a 2023 team last year and Towson is saturated with teams so I don’t see where they get new kids from.

Questions for this season with tryouts:

1. How many 2022's move down to play at 2023? Do they displace many to a new team?
2. How many teams play elite?
3. Which teams will be most/least improved?
4. Seems like many clubs are consolidating or changing uniforms (DCD) is this a limited supply demand issue?
5. Do any clubs have a second team (b) that is worth anything?

This is an important year to get to the right team before HS where tryouts do not change as much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I imagine it will just be the 2023 Lax World team rebranded. GT didn’t field a 2023 team last year and Towson is saturated with teams so I don’t see where they get new kids from.

The team will practice as Loyola’a Ridley Field so not a Towson club, is it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Questions for this season with tryouts:

1. How many 2022's move down to play at 2023? Do they displace many to a new team?
2. How many teams play elite?
3. Which teams will be most/least improved?
4. Seems like many clubs are consolidating or changing uniforms (DCD) is this a limited supply demand issue?
5. Do any clubs have a second team (b) that is worth anything?

This is an important year to get to the right team before HS where tryouts do not change as much.

Looneys will be most improved. Crabs can only go up after this past year.. FCA will hold since it guarantees each returning player a spot. 91 Md should drop to AA or A but I guess there is a market for people to play on a team that calls itself elite even though it lost every game in that division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Questions for this season with tryouts:

1. How many 2022's move down to play at 2023? Do they displace many to a new team?
2. How many teams play elite?
3. Which teams will be most/least improved?
4. Seems like many clubs are consolidating or changing uniforms (DCD) is this a limited supply demand issue?
5. Do any clubs have a second team (b) that is worth anything?

This is an important year to get to the right team before HS where tryouts do not change as much.

Looneys will be most improved. Crabs can only go up after this past year.. FCA will hold since it guarantees each returning player a spot. 91 Md should drop to AA or A but I guess there is a market for people to play on a team that calls itself elite even though it lost every game in that division.

It will be between DC Dogs and Hawks to win it all. Looneys, Crabs, FCA and 91 will have the same results as last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I imagine it will just be the 2023 Lax World team rebranded. GT didn’t field a 2023 team last year and Towson is saturated with teams so I don’t see where they get new kids from.

The team will practice as Loyola’a Ridley Field so not a Towson club, is it?

I guess they should change their entire website and tryout flyer since it says “Green Turtle Lacrosse Club Towson”. They have historically got kids from the Towson area, but you knew that. Way to add absolutely nothing to the conversation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Questions for this season with tryouts:

1. How many 2022's move down to play at 2023? Do they displace many to a new team?
2. How many teams play elite?
3. Which teams will be most/least improved?
4. Seems like many clubs are consolidating or changing uniforms (DCD) is this a limited supply demand issue?
5. Do any clubs have a second team (b) that is worth anything?

This is an important year to get to the right team before HS where tryouts do not change as much.

Looneys will be most improved. Crabs can only go up after this past year.. FCA will hold since it guarantees each returning player a spot. 91 Md should drop to AA or A but I guess there is a market for people to play on a team that calls itself elite even though it lost every game in that division.

It will be between DC Dogs and Hawks to win it all. Looneys, Crabs, FCA and 91 will have the same results as last year.

DC Dogs getting lefty attackman from NL? He played w them at NLF. Crabs will gain attackman and defender that played on their 22 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Questions for this season with tryouts:

1. How many 2022's move down to play at 2023? Do they displace many to a new team?
2. How many teams play elite?
3. Which teams will be most/least improved?
4. Seems like many clubs are consolidating or changing uniforms (DCD) is this a limited supply demand issue?
5. Do any clubs have a second team (b) that is worth anything?

This is an important year to get to the right team before HS where tryouts do not change as much.

Looneys will be most improved. Crabs can only go up after this past year.. FCA will hold since it guarantees each returning player a spot. 91 Md should drop to AA or A but I guess there is a market for people to play on a team that calls itself elite even though it lost every game in that division.

It will be between DC Dogs and Hawks to win it all. Looneys, Crabs, FCA and 91 will have the same results as last year.

DC Dogs getting lefty attackman from NL? He played w them at NLF. Crabs will gain attackman and defender that played on their 22 team.

Still between DC Dogs and Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Questions for this season with tryouts:

1. How many 2022's move down to play at 2023? Do they displace many to a new team?
2. How many teams play elite?
3. Which teams will be most/least improved?
4. Seems like many clubs are consolidating or changing uniforms (DCD) is this a limited supply demand issue?
5. Do any clubs have a second team (b) that is worth anything?

This is an important year to get to the right team before HS where tryouts do not change as much.

Looneys will be most improved. Crabs can only go up after this past year.. FCA will hold since it guarantees each returning player a spot. 91 Md should drop to AA or A but I guess there is a market for people to play on a team that calls itself elite even though it lost every game in that division.

It will be between DC Dogs and Hawks to win it all. Looneys, Crabs, FCA and 91 will have the same results as last year.

DC Dogs getting lefty attackman from NL? He played w them at NLF. Crabs will gain attackman and defender that played on their 22 team.

Both are trying out for Hawks too.

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Looneys will be most improved. Crabs can only go up after this past year.. FCA will hold since it guarantees each returning player a spot. 91 Md

Still between DC Dogs and Hawks.
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That is a good matchup and will be the finals repeat but I think NL is also in the elite division mix along with DCE, LOONEY, crabs, FCA all competing for 3rd and 4th place. Who will be the last team in or will they expand to 10 or retract to 6 or will 91 do another year? Tryout results and fall play day tournaments should help determine this. Sadly this is the last year for these kids where W and L's really matter much to the kids at the club level. Next year it is all about showcasing and how they play. HS team is where the wins and losses will matter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I imagine it will just be the 2023 Lax World team rebranded. GT didn’t field a 2023 team last year and Towson is saturated with teams so I don’t see where they get new kids from.

The team will practice as Loyola’a Ridley Field so not a Towson club, is it?

I guess they should change their entire website and tryout flyer since it says “Green Turtle Lacrosse Club Towson”. They have historically got kids from the Towson area, but you knew that. Way to add absolutely nothing to the conversation.

Oh, well if it says “Towson” but practices in the City it is a Towson club. So only people that live in Towson will be interested. Makes sense. Maybe they can add elite to the team, then it will be an elite rather than A team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I imagine it will just be the 2023 Lax World team rebranded. GT didn’t field a 2023 team last year and Towson is saturated with teams so I don’t see where they get new kids from.

The team will practice as Loyola’a Ridley Field so not a Towson club, is it?

I guess they should change their entire website and tryout flyer since it says “Green Turtle Lacrosse Club Towson”. They have historically got kids from the Towson area, but you knew that. Way to add absolutely nothing to the conversation.

Oh, well if it says “Towson” but practices in the City it is a Towson club. So only people that live in Towson will be interested. Makes sense. Maybe they can add elite to the team, then it will be an elite rather than A team.

Easy there girl. If you look at surrounding area, Towson is one of easiest drives to place.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Questions for this season with tryouts:

1. How many 2022's move down to play at 2023? Do they displace many to a new team?
2. How many teams play elite?
3. Which teams will be most/least improved?
4. Seems like many clubs are consolidating or changing uniforms (DCD) is this a limited supply demand issue?
5. Do any clubs have a second team (b) that is worth anything?

This is an important year to get to the right team before HS where tryouts do not change as much.

Looneys will be most improved. Crabs can only go up after this past year.. FCA will hold since it guarantees each returning player a spot. 91 Md should drop to AA or A but I guess there is a market for people to play on a team that calls itself elite even though it lost every game in that division.

It will be between DC Dogs and Hawks to win it all. Looneys, Crabs, FCA and 91 will have the same results as last year.

DC Dogs getting lefty attackman from NL? He played w them at NLF. Crabs will gain attackman and defender that played on their 22 team.

Both are trying out for Hawks too.

Are the hawks coaches going to change this year or are they still going to have the daddy ball issues?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Questions for this season with tryouts:

1. How many 2022's move down to play at 2023? Do they displace many to a new team?
2. How many teams play elite?
3. Which teams will be most/least improved?
4. Seems like many clubs are consolidating or changing uniforms (DCD) is this a limited supply demand issue?
5. Do any clubs have a second team (b) that is worth anything?

This is an important year to get to the right team before HS where tryouts do not change as much.

Looneys will be most improved. Crabs can only go up after this past year.. FCA will hold since it guarantees each returning player a spot. 91 Md should drop to AA or A but I guess there is a market for people to play on a team that calls itself elite even though it lost every game in that division.

It will be between DC Dogs and Hawks to win it all. Looneys, Crabs, FCA and 91 will have the same results as last year.

DC Dogs getting lefty attackman from NL? He played w them at NLF. Crabs will gain attackman and defender that played on their 22 team.

Both are trying out for Hawks too.

Are the hawks coaches going to change this year or are they still going to have the daddy ball issues?

If that is what daddy ball these days, sign my kid up. Oh wait, you are right, let’s have the recent college X grade coach just to say the team has no dad coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Questions for this season with tryouts:

1. How many 2022's move down to play at 2023? Do they displace many to a new team?
2. How many teams play elite?
3. Which teams will be most/least improved?
4. Seems like many clubs are consolidating or changing uniforms (DCD) is this a limited supply demand issue?
5. Do any clubs have a second team (b) that is worth anything?

This is an important year to get to the right team before HS where tryouts do not change as much.

Looneys will be most improved. Crabs can only go up after this past year.. FCA will hold since it guarantees each returning player a spot. 91 Md should drop to AA or A but I guess there is a market for people to play on a team that calls itself elite even though it lost every game in that division.

It will be between DC Dogs and Hawks to win it all. Looneys, Crabs, FCA and 91 will have the same results as last year.

DC Dogs getting lefty attackman from NL? He played w them at NLF. Crabs will gain attackman and defender that played on their 22 team.

Both are trying out for Hawks too.

Are the hawks coaches going to change this year or are they still going to have the daddy ball issues?

What daddy ball issues? The team blew through HOCO, Had a great summer. Why would they change coaches?

At the 2023 grade year, which clubs from last season extend automatic invites to returning players rather than having a true open tryout?

What’s the buzz on tryouts for Crabs? Any of the strong players that left in past years returning? Any stars leaving?

Originally Posted by My Balls in your throat

Originally Posted by Hawks stink

Are the hawks coaches going to change this year or are they still going to have the daddy ball issues?

What daddy ball issues? The team blew through HOCO, Had a great summer. Why would they change coaches?

Just because they win doesn't mean there aren't several disgruntled parents/kids. Hawks have a problem with daddy ball across the entire organization.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by My Balls in your throat

Originally Posted by Hawks stink

Are the hawks coaches going to change this year or are they still going to have the daddy ball issues?

What daddy ball issues? The team blew through HOCO, Had a great summer. Why would they change coaches?

Just because they win doesn't mean there aren't several disgruntled parents/kids. Hawks have a problem with daddy ball across the entire organization.

If there weren't any dad coaches you most likely wouldn't have many teams to chose from. I don't know many young college D1 players who can put the time in that the dad coaches put in without pay and work a full time job . You are going to have unhappy parents and kids on every team. I am assuming if the Hawks team is beating the teams with High School coaches and D1 coaches then they must be doing something right!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Love to troll hawks parents

Originally Posted by My Balls in your throat

Originally Posted by Hawks stink

Are the hawks coaches going to change this year or are they still going to have the daddy ball issues?

What daddy ball issues? The team blew through HOCO, Had a great summer. Why would they change coaches?

Just because they win doesn't mean there aren't several disgruntled parents/kids. Hawks have a problem with daddy ball across the entire organization.

If there weren't any dad coaches you most likely wouldn't have many teams to chose from. I don't know many young college D1 players who can put the time in that the dad coaches put in without pay and work a full time job . You are going to have unhappy parents and kids on every team. I am assuming if the Hawks team is beating the teams with High School coaches and D1 coaches then they must be doing something right!

Yep - they run a fantastic 3-3 zone.

From what I understand the bigger issue with the parents/kids is the zone defense. Either that or they are just tired of winning. However, for my final answer I will go with not enough playing time for everyone.

According to a previous poster, now that RM is taking over, 50% of the last year's team is cut and heads will roll with this year's team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by My Balls in your throat

Originally Posted by Hawks stink

Are the hawks coaches going to change this year or are they still going to have the daddy ball issues?

What daddy ball issues? The team blew through HOCO, Had a great summer. Why would they change coaches?

Just because they win doesn't mean there aren't several disgruntled parents/kids. Hawks have a problem with daddy ball across the entire organization.

All teams will have that. Do you think those same parents will feel better if they are getting the same amount of minutes, same roles if next year it is other kids besides the coaches on the team? Answer is "No" I wouldn't be surprised if at least 1 coaches son doesn't make the team. It has happened before.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by My Balls in your throat

Originally Posted by Hawks stink

Are the hawks coaches going to change this year or are they still going to have the daddy ball issues?

What daddy ball issues? The team blew through HOCO, Had a great summer. Why would they change coaches?

Just because they win doesn't mean there aren't several disgruntled parents/kids. Hawks have a problem with daddy ball across the entire organization.

As Motley Crue said, "girl don't go away mad, girl just go away"

Originally Posted by Rednecks

Originally Posted by Love to troll hawks parents

Originally Posted by My Balls in your throat

Originally Posted by Hawks stink

Are the hawks coaches going to change this year or are they still going to have the daddy ball issues?

What daddy ball issues? The team blew through HOCO, Had a great summer. Why would they change coaches?

Just because they win doesn't mean there aren't several disgruntled parents/kids. Hawks have a problem with daddy ball across the entire organization.

As Motley Crue said, "girl don't go away mad, girl just go away"

A Motley Crue quote from a hawks RN parent. Perfect!

It all starts with crabs tonight ... invites start going out after the tryout and players come off the board ... big crab hand picks the team to coach this year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It all starts with crabs tonight ... invites start going out after the tryout and players come off the board ... big crab hand picks the team to coach this year

How many of last season’s 22’s will be there?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Rednecks

Originally Posted by Love to troll hawks parents

Originally Posted by My Balls in your throat

Originally Posted by Hawks stink

Are the hawks coaches going to change this year or are they still going to have the daddy ball issues?

What daddy ball issues? The team blew through HOCO, Had a great summer. Why would they change coaches?

Just because they win doesn't mean there aren't several disgruntled parents/kids. Hawks have a problem with daddy ball across the entire organization.

As Motley Crue said, "girl don't go away mad, girl just go away"

A Motley Crue quote from a hawks RN parent. Perfect!

Has to be the goalie dad.

Originally Posted by Find a real club

Originally Posted by Daddy ball

Originally Posted by Rednecks

Originally Posted by Love to troll hawks parents

Originally Posted by My Balls in your throat

Originally Posted by Hawks stink

Are the hawks coaches going to change this year or are they still going to have the daddy ball issues?

What daddy ball issues? The team blew through HOCO, Had a great summer. Why would they change coaches?

Just because they win doesn't mean there aren't several disgruntled parents/kids. Hawks have a problem with daddy ball across the entire organization.

As Motley Crue said, "girl don't go away mad, girl just go away"

A Motley Crue quote from a hawks RN parent. Perfect!

Has to be the goalie dad.

Could be any one of the RN parents. They love motley crue, 33 zones, and moon shine.

I love daddy ball...paid coaches are OVER RATED...

Hawks 2023 getting a new goalie

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 2023 getting a new goalie

That's surprising. He's pretty good (albeit a bit emotional).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 2023 getting a new goalie

Where is the 'old' one going? He was a stud!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Hawks 2023 getting a new goalie

we will see, isn't that what tryouts are for

So, you’re telling me that Hawks already had their tryouts and you saw who was there?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Hawks 2023 getting a new goalie

we will see, isn't that what tryouts are for

Is the 2023 goalie that played on Hawks 2022 dropping down to play with Hawks or going elsewhere?

Stop trying to create drama... Win or lose, Hawks 2023 are relatively drama-free. Sorry the rest of you can't enjoy the same.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Hawks 2023 getting a new goalie

we will see, isn't that what tryouts are for

Is the 2023 goalie that played on Hawks 2022 dropping down to play with Hawks or going elsewhere?

This is very sad both goalie dad's posting to try to get the other goalie not to attend a tryout or something. You both must know each other but posting about rising 8th graders? I hope future college coaches know that they are getting crazy parents which only hurts the recruiting chances with some coaches.

If that NL attack permanently joins Madlax DC Dogs, everyone else is playing for 2nd from here on out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If that NL attack permanently joins Madlax DC Dogs, everyone else is playing for 2nd from here on out.

That's laughable. Minimal impact.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If that NL attack permanently joins Madlax DC Dogs, everyone else is playing for 2nd from here on out.

That's laughable. Minimal impact.

Yes, scored hat trick in NLF Finals against True. No impact at all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If that NL attack permanently joins Madlax DC Dogs, everyone else is playing for 2nd from here on out.

That's laughable. Minimal impact.

Yes, scored hat trick in NLF Finals against True. No impact at all.

He's slow and not that good just need to be prepared and he's easily guardable. He also doesn't pass and gets frustrated quick.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If that NL attack permanently joins Madlax DC Dogs, everyone else is playing for 2nd from here on out.

That's laughable. Minimal impact.

Yes, scored hat trick in NLF Finals against True. No impact at all.

Thanks, Dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If that NL attack permanently joins Madlax DC Dogs, everyone else is playing for 2nd from here on out.

That's laughable. Minimal impact.

Yes, scored hat trick in NLF Finals against True. No impact at all.

Maybe that was a Hawks parent saying that? It was 10-0 in the 1st period when Hawks and NL played.....minimal impact.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If that NL attack permanently joins Madlax DC Dogs, everyone else is playing for 2nd from here on out.

That's laughable. Minimal impact.

Yes, scored hat trick in NLF Finals against True. No impact at all.

He's slow and not that good just need to be prepared and he's easily guardable. He also doesn't pass and gets frustrated quick.

The only thing making DCDogs legit is they have a couple double holdbacks. If your kid can drive the summer going into HS you as a parent are a DB...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If that NL attack permanently joins Madlax DC Dogs, everyone else is playing for 2nd from here on out.

That's laughable. Minimal impact.

Yes, scored hat trick in NLF Finals against True. No impact at all.

He's slow and not that good just need to be prepared and he's easily guardable. He also doesn't pass and gets frustrated quick.

The only thing making DCDogs legit is they have a couple double holdbacks. If your kid can drive the summer going into HS you as a parent are a DB...

Just curious why DC Dogs? Now that it is a new season why did this team not just become MADLAX Capital?

Surprised no chatter on 2023 tryouts. Heard Crabs has a bunch of talent coming from DC area and they are finalizing team after yesterday's tryouts

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Surprised no chatter on 2023 tryouts. Heard Crabs has a bunch of talent coming from DC area and they are finalizing team after yesterday's tryouts

Your heard? Who did you hear it from? What else did you here? Probably no chatter because the loud mouth dads don’t know which team junior will play for. Once that is settled, the trash talk will resume. Stay tuned...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Surprised no chatter on 2023 tryouts. Heard Crabs has a bunch of talent coming from DC area and they are finalizing team after yesterday's tryouts

What does one consider the DC area these days. Is Howard Co the DC area? Montgomery? I would not think many N.VA kids would drive 2 hours each way to Crabs practice. Some play NL and DC Dogs. There is a lot of movement in NOVA teams this year.

Clubs should post the birthdates of rostered players. Each club requires that info to register. Families should know who the holdbacks are and how many are on the team. If you disagree, why?

Does ANYBODY know about Mad Dog West that went to the WSYL?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clubs should post the birthdates of rostered players. Each club requires that info to register. Families should know who the holdbacks are and how many are on the team. If you disagree, why?

Would you also like their SS# and blood type? Creeper.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clubs should post the birthdates of rostered players. Each club requires that info to register. Families should know who the holdbacks are and how many are on the team. If you disagree, why?

Would you also like their SS# and blood type? Creeper.

Typical holdback dad response.

Ive heard that S2S has a new coach, that is the head coach of St.Dominics.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clubs should post the birthdates of rostered players. Each club requires that info to register. Families should know who the holdbacks are and how many are on the team. If you disagree, why?

Would you also like their SS# and blood type? Creeper.

Typical holdback dad response.

Typical response from a dad who makes excuses for his kids... and probably everything else in life. Toughen up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ive heard that S2S has a new coach, that is the head coach of St.Dominics.

Apparently a bunch of DC area kids are trying out for a team in NY and the West Coast. That is why people are posting on the MidAtlantic board. But I guess a flight or train ride to NY is still faster than driving the Beltway to Baltimore.

I

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clubs should post the birthdates of rostered players. Each club requires that info to register. Families should know who the holdbacks are and how many are on the team. If you disagree, why?

Would you also like their SS# and blood type? Creeper.

Typical holdback dad response.

Typical response from a dad who makes excuses for his kids... and probably everything else in life. Toughen up.

The poster’s suggestion that the roster include birthdates (or how about an asterix) was not making any excuse or even expressing a complaint. He merely suggested that parents be informed, and he invited opposing opinion. Hammerhead dads that protect an older snowflake child make the excuse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clubs should post the birthdates of rostered players. Each club requires that info to register. Families should know who the holdbacks are and how many are on the team. If you disagree, why?

Would you also like their SS# and blood type? Creeper.

Typical holdback dad response.

Typical response from a dad who makes excuses for his kids... and probably everything else in life. Toughen up.

A little sensitive there holdback dad. Life outside the bubble of holdbacks can be tough. The on age kid, who plays against the holdback, is plenty tough. You can’t protect your holdback for ever. Maybe he can repeat one more grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clubs should post the birthdates of rostered players. Each club requires that info to register. Families should know who the holdbacks are and how many are on the team. If you disagree, why?

Would you also like their SS# and blood type? Creeper.

Typical holdback dad response.

Of course he wants to keep telling his 15 yr old how great he is beating 13 year olds. Keep living your life thru your kid great for both of you...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clubs should post the birthdates of rostered players. Each club requires that info to register. Families should know who the holdbacks are and how many are on the team. If you disagree, why?

Would you also like their SS# and blood type? Creeper.

Typical holdback dad response.

Typical response from a dad who makes excuses for his kids... and probably everything else in life. Toughen up.

A little sensitive there holdback dad. Life outside the bubble of holdbacks can be tough. The on age kid, who plays against the holdback, is plenty tough. You can’t protect your holdback for ever. Maybe he can repeat one more grade.

This whole forum might as well be dedicated to the holdback debate... old news... boring... we understand where people stand on each side. Move on.

Oh wait - there is also the "Guest Player" debate...

Still better than attacking specific rising 8th graders

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clubs should post the birthdates of rostered players. Each club requires that info to register. Families should know who the holdbacks are and how many are on the team. If you disagree, why?

Would you also like their SS# and blood type? Creeper.

Typical holdback dad response.

Typical response from a dad who makes excuses for his kids... and probably everything else in life. Toughen up.

A little sensitive there holdback dad. Life outside the bubble of holdbacks can be tough. The on age kid, who plays against the holdback, is plenty tough. You can’t protect your holdback for ever. Maybe he can repeat one more grade.

This whole forum might as well be dedicated to the holdback debate... old news... boring... we understand where people stand on each side. Move on.

Oh wait - there is also the "Guest Player" debate...

Posting ages/birthdates can also have an adverse effect... what happens when you finally see that ‘that kid’ the one everyone talks about and everyone swears is a hold back and driving to the game... is actually on age or at most only a month or two older than on-age... then what do you say to your child, because for years it has been - they are only bigger and better because they are older... but now you may actually have to explain to your kid that some kids are just bigger and better. It is a fact - and is the case with most players that people complain about on this forum.

Next year... maybe not the case, but this year on some of the strongest teams, the kids you think are holdbacks just aren’t. So yes, maybe it would be nice to have the rosters with birthdates posted just to shut some people up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clubs should post the birthdates of rostered players. Each club requires that info to register. Families should know who the holdbacks are and how many are on the team. If you disagree, why?

Would you also like their SS# and blood type? Creeper.

Typical holdback dad response.

Typical response from a dad who makes excuses for his kids... and probably everything else in life. Toughen up.

A little sensitive there holdback dad. Life outside the bubble of holdbacks can be tough. The on age kid, who plays against the holdback, is plenty tough. You can’t protect your holdback for ever. Maybe he can repeat one more grade.

This whole forum might as well be dedicated to the holdback debate... old news... boring... we understand where people stand on each side. Move on.

Oh wait - there is also the "Guest Player" debate...

I agree. This discussion is tired. My kid is not a star player or a holdback. I am still done hearing the whiners on both sides of the debate.

Does McDonogh require 8th grade transfers to repeat that grade? Does the lacrosse coach commend it? Or do parents independently make that decision? Seems like that school is winning the 8th grade transfer holdback lacrosse game.

Typical response from a dad who makes excuses for his kids... and probably everything else in life. Toughen up.[/quote]

A little sensitive there holdback dad. Life outside the bubble of holdbacks can be tough. The on age kid, who plays against the holdback, is plenty tough. You can’t protect your holdback for ever. Maybe he can repeat one more grade.[/quote]

This whole forum might as well be dedicated to the holdback debate... old news... boring... we understand where people stand on each side. Move on.

Oh wait - there is also the "Guest Player" debate...
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I agree. This discussion is tired. My kid is not a star player or a holdback. I am still done hearing the whiners on both sides of the debate. [/quote]
Yup. Also the same guy arguing with himself sometimes. Yawn ... next topic please.

2023 is the year of Holdback like most 8th grade years are. With travel so easy , many regions after playing in Mid Atlantic region see what holding your child back does. It was only a matter of time.
Holdbacks numbers are increasing every year. I dont think it is a good thing for the game in long run, but it is what it is.

What do you want to know? My sons team has played them several times over the past few years and knows some of the boys.

I don't understand why people cry and complain about holdbacks. You should be thanking them. They are only hurting themselves to make your kid better. My kid plays up and I love it when he gets to go against kids that are a year or even two years older. The kids that are heldback are held back for a reason. They are not that good and they are not cutting it at their real age group. The kids that are playing up are the ones that are getting better and that will dominate come high school. The holdbacks will quickly get lapped.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't understand why people cry and complain about holdbacks. You should be thanking them. They are only hurting themselves to make your kid better. My kid plays up and I love it when he gets to go against kids that are a year or even two years older. The kids that are heldback are held back for a reason. They are not that good and they are not cutting it at their real age group. The kids that are playing up are the ones that are getting better and that will dominate come high school. The holdbacks will quickly get lapped.

Here we go again... don't you all have anything else to discuss???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't understand why people cry and complain about holdbacks. You should be thanking them. They are only hurting themselves to make your kid better. My kid plays up and I love it when he gets to go against kids that are a year or even two years older. The kids that are heldback are held back for a reason. They are not that good and they are not cutting it at their real age group. The kids that are playing up are the ones that are getting better and that will dominate come high school. The holdbacks will quickly get lapped.

You are wrong. Many holdbacks are born between May and Aug. Many are actually talented players who would be decent players at their proper age group. Hold them back a year and put them to the head of their age group and they turn into good players.

Being the oldest has helped secure a spot on starting lines ups in youth and it carries thru to HS.
The MIAA is Holdback central. It works. BL, McD are loaded with Holdback starters. Put your head in sand and it doesnt work, there is a reason every coach in MIAA has held his son or daughter back.

Age in youth to 8th grade and grade in HS..Common sense and the way it was in Lacrosse until about 5 years ago.

You're crazy... holdbacks don't get lapped, they take spots from kids that are doing right. Age based teams are the way to go. Basketball and soccer have stopped the holdback BS. its time for lax to step up and stop it. Lacrosse is the only sport that allows holdbacks. STOP THE MADNESS...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

... The holdbacks will quickly get lapped.

Those are the exceptions and not the rule.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does McDonogh require 8th grade transfers to repeat that grade? Does the lacrosse coach commend it? Or do parents independently make that decision? Seems like that school is winning the 8th grade transfer holdback lacrosse game.

Not a requirement. I know I handful of lacrosse players there. None of those repeated 8th grade. Some were held back previously ie preK. Parent decision but would guess school recommends if kid needs to catch up academically. I'm in no way a McD insider. I think most if not all private schools that have a middle school allow the 8th grade repeat. To my knowledge only "required" if the kid can't meet academic standards needed for admission to 9th grade. Do parents decide to repeat for sports? yes. Do coaches and admissions allow it? yes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What do you want to know? My sons team has played them several times over the past few years and knows some of the boys.

How many are not on age. At a minimum, the 3 McD kids who did prefirst and one kid who repeated 6th grade and transferred to BL. Those are the most obvious.

Movement is starting at the 23.
So far:
2 Looneys to FCA
1 Looney to Crabs
1 Hawk to Team 91
1 Crab to Looney's

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Movement is starting at the 23.
So far:
2 Looneys to FCA
1 Looney to Crabs
1 Hawk to Team 91
1 Crab to Looney's

How do you have this inside info for all these teams? Because your son tried out for each of those teams and you saw the helmets?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Movement is starting at the 23.
So far:
2 Looneys to FCA
1 Looney to Crabs
1 Hawk to Team 91
1 Crab to Looney's

How do you have this inside info for all these teams? Because your son tried out for each of those teams and you saw the helmets?

I have zero inside information on the teams(except one) but I do the players and families involved. Sorry your son hasn't received his call yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You're crazy... holdbacks don't get lapped, they take spots from kids that are doing right. Age based teams are the way to go. Basketball and soccer have stopped the holdback BS. its time for lax to step up and stop it. Lacrosse is the only sport that allows holdbacks. STOP THE MADNESS...

Of course they do. And especially at the younger ages

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does McDonogh require 8th grade transfers to repeat that grade? Does the lacrosse coach commend it? Or do parents independently make that decision? Seems like that school is winning the 8th grade transfer holdback lacrosse game.

Not a requirement. I know I handful of lacrosse players there. None of those repeated 8th grade. Some were held back previously ie preK. Parent decision but would guess school recommends if kid needs to catch up academically. I'm in no way a McD insider. I think most if not all private schools that have a middle school allow the 8th grade repeat. To my knowledge only "required" if the kid can't meet academic standards needed for admission to 9th grade. Do parents decide to repeat for sports? yes. Do coaches and admissions allow it? yes

No requirement, but if you havent been in McD system for a few years, it may be hard to go straight to 9th grade. They are a difficult academic school and your curriculum may not have been as challenging.

As far as Prek goes. If you are a boy and born in the months on June, July, August...You dont go to 1st grade at McD. You go to prefirst. They are very easy if you want holding your Kindergarten boy back born on any month, but those months, short of genius, you are held back. Very few exceptions. Most lower school grades had over 50% of boys heldback a few years ago. I assume it is still the same. And spare me the BS of there isnt that many ... two kids there

[quote=Anonymous]Movement is starting at the 23.
So far:
2 Looneys to FCA
1 Looney to Crabs
1 Hawk to Team 91
1 Crab to Looney's

None of the 5 are impact players. Impact players stay put. Time for kids to learn how to play a role and compete for additional playing time. HS is right around the corner.

Just my observation...there were 3 or 4 Crabs helmets at the Looney's tryouts on Sunday morning. Don't know how many, if any, were offered spots or if they accepted. At this point, I believe most teams are asking people to keep offers confidential since there are still additional tryout dates.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Movement is starting at the 23.
So far:
2 Looneys to FCA
1 Looney to Crabs
1 Hawk to Team 91
1 Crab to Looney's

None of the 5 are impact players. Impact players stay put. Time for kids to learn how to play a role and compete for additional playing time. HS is right around the corner.

Where did the Crabs lefty attack man go?

Can someone please explain what's going on with 91 2023? Why are a lot of these kids trying out for Kooper's? Who is 2023 head coach? I don't know how to copy or forward a thread but there is thread going on 2022.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

None of the 5 are impact players. Impact players stay put. Time for kids to learn how to play a role and compete for additional playing time. HS is right around the corner.

Kind of hard to know which kids are going to make an impact come next Spring. That's a long time for 13 and 14 year old boys. Who knows how many players are going to grow 4 inches, or add 20 pounds of muscle. Or how many are going to spend the Winter getting better, and tougher, playing box (or improving their dodge moves and actually learning how to pick and roll playing basketball).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone please explain what's going on with 91 2023? Why are a lot of these kids trying out for Kooper's? Who is 2023 head coach? I don't know how to copy or forward a thread but there is thread going on 2022.

People assume (know?) that Millon's son is reclassing to 2023. If that happens, people assume that Millon will coach (or at least control) the 2023 team. A lot of kids and parents do not want to play for Millon.

Add that to the team's poor showing in HoCo, and it's not surprising some kids are looking to move.

The Kooper's team was a very good B team last year and is going to try and move up to the A level. The program as a whole is well run and (IMO) less insane than 91MD. So it's not surprising some kids might take a look.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Movement is starting at the 23.
So far:
2 Looneys to FCA
1 Looney to Crabs
1 Hawk to Team 91
1 Crab to Looney's

None of the 5 are impact players. Impact players stay put. Time for kids to learn how to play a role and compete for additional playing time. HS is right around the corner.

ridiculous statement since I can go to all the teams in 2023 elite and many of their best players started elsewhere

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Movement is starting at the 23.
So far:
2 Looneys to FCA
1 Looney to Crabs
1 Hawk to Team 91
1 Crab to Looney's

None of the 5 are impact players. Impact players stay put. Time for kids to learn how to play a role and compete for additional playing time. HS is right around the corner.

Where did the Crabs lefty attack man go?

Any changes at DC Dogs or Next Level?

Crabs will be the most improved team picking up some of the top reclassed kids from 2022 teams.

Thought king crab was his 2023 team picked and posted by now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Movement is starting at the 23.
So far:
2 Looneys to FCA
1 Looney to Crabs
1 Hawk to Team 91
1 Crab to Looney's

None of the 5 are impact players. Impact players stay put. Time for kids to learn how to play a role and compete for additional playing time. HS is right around the corner.

Where did the Crabs lefty attack man go?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone please explain what's going on with 91 2023? Why are a lot of these kids trying out for Kooper's? Who is 2023 head coach? I don't know how to copy or forward a thread but there is thread going on 2022.

People assume (know?) that Millon's son is reclassing to 2023. If that happens, people assume that Millon will coach (or at least control) the 2023 team. A lot of kids and parents do not want to play for Millon.

Add that to the team's poor showing in HoCo, and it's not surprising some kids are looking to move.

The Kooper's team was a very good B team last year and is going to try and move up to the A level. The program as a whole is well run and (IMO) less insane than 91MD. So it's not surprising some kids might take a look.

Interesting. There were almost 40 teams in HOCO and Koopers were in the lowest division but could be improved. However A is still in the lower half. I think it may be some kids that do not like MM however if the team were winning it would be fine. I think the reason kids leave is that it is hard to go two years and not win a game. The club is not smart keeping the team in the Elite group. The players who go to Koopers are smart they simply want to play in competitive games. Koopers would do well in the A div. Previous teams that won the B division (G and PGLC) moved up and finished at the bottom of the next level. Team 91 should play A or AA. Which team would then take the spot at Elite. It may be a long shot but 3d is combining Lax Factory and 3d Mid A which is combining two AA teams that were .500 last season they could with a good tryout make it to Elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone please explain what's going on with 91 2023? Why are a lot of these kids trying out for Kooper's? Who is 2023 head coach? I don't know how to copy or forward a thread but there is thread going on 2022.

People assume (know?) that Millon's son is reclassing to 2023. If that happens, people assume that Millon will coach (or at least control) the 2023 team. A lot of kids and parents do not want to play for Millon.

Add that to the team's poor showing in HoCo, and it's not surprising some kids are looking to move.

The Kooper's team was a very good B team last year and is going to try and move up to the A level. The program as a whole is well run and (IMO) less insane than 91MD. So it's not surprising some kids might take a look.

Interesting. There were almost 40 teams in HOCO and Koopers were in the lowest division but could be improved. However A is still in the lower half. I think it may be some kids that do not like MM however if the team were winning it would be fine. I think the reason kids leave is that it is hard to go two years and not win a game. The club is not smart keeping the team in the Elite group. The players who go to Koopers are smart they simply want to play in competitive games. Koopers would do well in the A div. Previous teams that won the B division (G and PGLC) moved up and finished at the bottom of the next level. Team 91 should play A or AA. Which team would then take the spot at Elite. It may be a long shot but 3d is combining Lax Factory and 3d Mid A which is combining two AA teams that were .500 last season they could with a good tryout make it to Elite.

MM’s son is playing with the 2023 team so no chance it drops from the HoCo elite division. None.

MM’s son is playing with the 2023 team so no chance it drops from the HoCo elite division. None.
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That team has some good players and those guys should be looking elsewhere. There are still tryouts going on. By Spring, they will wish they did and didn't ignore the very clear writing on the wall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone please explain what's going on with 91 2023? Why are a lot of these kids trying out for Kooper's? Who is 2023 head coach? I don't know how to copy or forward a thread but there is thread going on 2022.

People assume (know?) that Millon's son is reclassing to 2023. If that happens, people assume that Millon will coach (or at least control) the 2023 team. A lot of kids and parents do not want to play for Millon.

Add that to the team's poor showing in HoCo, and it's not surprising some kids are looking to move.

The Kooper's team was a very good B team last year and is going to try and move up to the A level. The program as a whole is well run and (IMO) less insane than 91MD. So it's not surprising some kids might take a look.

Interesting. There were almost 40 teams in HOCO and Koopers were in the lowest division but could be improved. However A is still in the lower half. I think it may be some kids that do not like MM however if the team were winning it would be fine. I think the reason kids leave is that it is hard to go two years and not win a game. The club is not smart keeping the team in the Elite group. The players who go to Koopers are smart they simply want to play in competitive games. Koopers would do well in the A div. Previous teams that won the B division (G and PGLC) moved up and finished at the bottom of the next level. Team 91 should play A or AA. Which team would then take the spot at Elite. It may be a long shot but 3d is combining Lax Factory and 3d Mid A which is combining two AA teams that were .500 last season they could with a good tryout make it to Elite.

You mention 40 teams. Baltimore market is lopsided. 4 played elite. Only 1 (FCA white) played AA and did not belong, one won a single game. Most played A. Some played B.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone please explain what's going on with 91 2023? Why are a lot of these kids trying out for Kooper's? Who is 2023 head coach? I don't know how to copy or forward a thread but there is thread going on 2022.

People assume (know?) that Millon's son is reclassing to 2023. If that happens, people assume that Millon will coach (or at least control) the 2023 team. A lot of kids and parents do not want to play for Millon.

Add that to the team's poor showing in HoCo, and it's not surprising some kids are looking to move.

The Kooper's team was a very good B team last year and is going to try and move up to the A level. The program as a whole is well run and (IMO) less insane than 91MD. So it's not surprising some kids might take a look.

Interesting. There were almost 40 teams in HOCO and Koopers were in the lowest division but could be improved. However A is still in the lower half. I think it may be some kids that do not like MM however if the team were winning it would be fine. I think the reason kids leave is that it is hard to go two years and not win a game. The club is not smart keeping the team in the Elite group. The players who go to Koopers are smart they simply want to play in competitive games. Koopers would do well in the A div. Previous teams that won the B division (G and PGLC) moved up and finished at the bottom of the next level. Team 91 should play A or AA. Which team would then take the spot at Elite. It may be a long shot but 3d is combining Lax Factory and 3d Mid A which is combining two AA teams that were .500 last season they could with a good tryout make it to Elite.

91 keeps same daddy coaches, plays only the favorite kids, and invites back all the same players each year before tryouts even begin. Now a winning formula.

The Looney's player who left and went to Crabs is a MAJOR impact player.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone please explain what's going on with 91 2023? Why are a lot of these kids trying out for Kooper's? Who is 2023 head coach? I don't know how to copy or forward a thread but there is thread going on 2022.

People assume (know?) that Millon's son is reclassing to 2023. If that happens, people assume that Millon will coach (or at least control) the 2023 team. A lot of kids and parents do not want to play for Millon.

Add that to the team's poor showing in HoCo, and it's not surprising some kids are looking to move.

The Kooper's team was a very good B team last year and is going to try and move up to the A level. The program as a whole is well run and (IMO) less insane than 91MD. So it's not surprising some kids might take a look.

Interesting. There were almost 40 teams in HOCO and Koopers were in the lowest division but could be improved. However A is still in the lower half. I think it may be some kids that do not like MM however if the team were winning it would be fine. I think the reason kids leave is that it is hard to go two years and not win a game. The club is not smart keeping the team in the Elite group. The players who go to Koopers are smart they simply want to play in competitive games. Koopers would do well in the A div. Previous teams that won the B division (G and PGLC) moved up and finished at the bottom of the next level. Team 91 should play A or AA. Which team would then take the spot at Elite. It may be a long shot but 3d is combining Lax Factory and 3d Mid A which is combining two AA teams that were .500 last season they could with a good tryout make it to Elite.

You mention 40 teams. Baltimore market is lopsided. 4 played elite. Only 1 (FCA white) played AA and did not belong, one won a single game. Most played A. Some played B.

Add to that the clear two best teams are based in AA and Bethesda

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Looney's player who left and went to Crabs is a MAJOR impact player.

Looney's didnt have any MAJOR impact players last year...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Looney's player who left and went to Crabs is a MAJOR impact player.

Thanks Dad! I knew Mom was lying when she said you didn't love me.

Crabs are picking up a top scoring attackman from a elite 2022 team. Kid has been playing up for years. You want your kid to get better that’s how you do it. Play up not reclass.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Can someone please explain what's going on with 91 2023? Why are a lot of these kids trying out for Kooper's? Who is 2023 head coach? I don't know how to copy or forward a thread but there is thread going on 2022.

People assume (know?) that Millon's son is reclassing to 2023. If that happens, people assume that Millon will coach (or at least control) the 2023 team. A lot of kids and parents do not want to play for Millon.

Add that to the team's poor showing in HoCo, and it's not surprising some kids are looking to move.

The Kooper's team was a very good B team last year and is going to try and move up to the A level. The program as a whole is well run and (IMO) less insane than 91MD. So it's not surprising some kids might take a look.

Interesting. There were almost 40 teams in HOCO and Koopers were in the lowest division but could be improved. However A is still in the lower half. I think it may be some kids that do not like MM however if the team were winning it would be fine. I think the reason kids leave is that it is hard to go two years and not win a game. The club is not smart keeping the team in the Elite group. The players who go to Koopers are smart they simply want to play in competitive games. Koopers would do well in the A div. Previous teams that won the B division (G and PGLC) moved up and finished at the bottom of the next level. Team 91 should play A or AA. Which team would then take the spot at Elite. It may be a long shot but 3d is combining Lax Factory and 3d Mid A which is combining two AA teams that were .500 last season they could with a good tryout make it to Elite.

You mention 40 teams. Baltimore market is lopsided. 4 played elite. Only 1 (FCA white) played AA and did not belong, one won a single game. Most played A. Some played B.

Only 3 of those won at least one game in elite. So drop Md 91 to AA or A. Calling yourself "elite" does not make it so.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone please explain what's going on with 91 2023? Why are a lot of these kids trying out for Kooper's? Who is 2023 head coach? I don't know how to copy or forward a thread but there is thread going on 2022.

People assume (know?) that Millon's son is reclassing to 2023. If that happens, people assume that Millon will coach (or at least control) the 2023 team. A lot of kids and parents do not want to play for Millon.

Add that to the team's poor showing in HoCo, and it's not surprising some kids are looking to move.

The Kooper's team was a very good B team last year and is going to try and move up to the A level. The program as a whole is well run and (IMO) less insane than 91MD. So it's not surprising some kids might take a look.

Interesting. There were almost 40 teams in HOCO and Koopers were in the lowest division but could be improved. However A is still in the lower half. I think it may be some kids that do not like MM however if the team were winning it would be fine. I think the reason kids leave is that it is hard to go two years and not win a game. The club is not smart keeping the team in the Elite group. The players who go to Koopers are smart they simply want to play in competitive games. Koopers would do well in the A div. Previous teams that won the B division (G and PGLC) moved up and finished at the bottom of the next level. Team 91 should play A or AA. Which team would then take the spot at Elite. It may be a long shot but 3d is combining Lax Factory and 3d Mid A which is combining two AA teams that were .500 last season they could with a good tryout make it to Elite.

You mention 40 teams. Baltimore market is lopsided. 4 played elite. Only 1 (FCA white) played AA and did not belong, one won a single game. Most played A. Some played B.

The starters on those A and B teams will play at better lacrosse schools than those on elite teams watching from the sidelines.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are picking up a top scoring attackman from a elite 2022 team. Kid has been playing up for years. You want your kid to get better that’s how you do it. Play up not reclass.

That kid is a reclass. He has been playing with kids his own age at 22. He now will be a Crab which usually means older.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are picking up a top scoring attackman from a elite 2022 team. Kid has been playing up for years. You want your kid to get better that’s how you do it. Play up not reclass.

That kid is a reclass. He has been playing with kids his own age at 22. He now will be a Crab which usually means older.

From what elite 2022 team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any changes at DC Dogs or Next Level?

From what I hear YES!!!, Big Changes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are picking up a top scoring attackman from a elite 2022 team. Kid has been playing up for years. You want your kid to get better that’s how you do it. Play up not reclass.

That kid is a reclass. He has been playing with kids his own age at 22. He now will be a Crab which usually means older.

From what elite 2022 team?

RawRiders

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are picking up a top scoring attackman from a elite 2022 team. Kid has been playing up for years. You want your kid to get better that’s how you do it. Play up not reclass.

That kid is a reclass. He has been playing with kids his own age at 22. He now will be a Crab which usually means older.

False. I know it hurts to know that there is a kid out there that much better than yours. Doesn't mean he is a re-class.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are picking up a top scoring attackman from a elite 2022 team. Kid has been playing up for years. You want your kid to get better that’s how you do it. Play up not reclass.

That kid is a reclass. He has been playing with kids his own age at 22. He now will be a Crab which usually means older.

From what elite 2022 team?

He's referring to kid from Roughriders 2022. Between the Crabs righty that was on their 2022, RR lefty and the kid coming from Looneys (also lefty) they will have a stacked attack. Only one ball to go around. Returning attack moving to midfield or happy to be reserves?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are picking up a top scoring attackman from a elite 2022 team. Kid has been playing up for years. You want your kid to get better that’s how you do it. Play up not reclass.

That kid is a reclass. He has been playing with kids his own age at 22. He now will be a Crab which usually means older.

From what elite 2022 team?

He's referring to kid from Roughriders 2022. Between the Crabs righty that was on their 2022, RR lefty and the kid coming from Looneys (also lefty) they will have a stacked attack. Only one ball to go around. Returning attack moving to midfield or happy to be reserves?

The lefty starting attackman for the prior 3 years left.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are picking up a top scoring attackman from a elite 2022 team. Kid has been playing up for years. You want your kid to get better that’s how you do it. Play up not reclass.

That kid is a reclass. He has been playing with kids his own age at 22. He now will be a Crab which usually means older.

From what elite 2022 team?

He's referring to kid from Roughriders 2022. Between the Crabs righty that was on their 2022, RR lefty and the kid coming from Looneys (also lefty) they will have a stacked attack. Only one ball to go around. Returning attack moving to midfield or happy to be reserves?

The lefty starting attackman for the prior 3 years left.

He left before summer was over. There were other attack on the roster no?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are picking up a top scoring attackman from a elite 2022 team. Kid has been playing up for years. You want your kid to get better that’s how you do it. Play up not reclass.

That kid is a reclass. He has been playing with kids his own age at 22. He now will be a Crab which usually means older.

From what elite 2022 team?

He's referring to kid from Roughriders 2022. Between the Crabs righty that was on their 2022, RR lefty and the kid coming from Looneys (also lefty) they will have a stacked attack. Only one ball to go around. Returning attack moving to midfield or happy to be reserves?

Don't be surprised if one, or more, of the new players along with some of the returners change positions to midfield. At least one of the returning attackmen was solid and will probably stay on attack. Regardless, the team will be much much stronger than last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are picking up a top scoring attackman from a elite 2022 team. Kid has been playing up for years. You want your kid to get better that’s how you do it. Play up not reclass.

That kid is a reclass. He has been playing with kids his own age at 22. He now will be a Crab which usually means older.

False. I know it hurts to know that there is a kid out there that much better than yours. Doesn't mean he is a re-class.

Remember in Baltimore if you did a prefirst , you are not considered being heldback !! LOL.. I guess when you hold them back in Kindergarden, its a mulligan..
Dont have any idea about this player tho...

Let me guess your next comment... “they are all holdbacks”. If you dont like the zone find a way to beat it. Its possible they lost twice last year.

Wrong we are more of a Miller crowd checking out your wife wearing CFM shoes to the lax field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are picking up a top scoring attackman from a elite 2022 team. Kid has been playing up for years. You want your kid to get better that’s how you do it. Play up not reclass.

That kid is a reclass. He has been playing with kids his own age at 22. He now will be a Crab which usually means older.

False. I know it hurts to know that there is a kid out there that much better than yours. Doesn't mean he is a re-class.

If he's coming to Loyola for 8th this fall, he is a reclass. Just like his older brother.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are picking up a top scoring attackman from a elite 2022 team. Kid has been playing up for years. You want your kid to get better that’s how you do it. Play up not reclass.

That kid is a reclass. He has been playing with kids his own age at 22. He now will be a Crab which usually means older.

False. I know it hurts to know that there is a kid out there that much better than yours. Doesn't mean he is a re-class.

If he's coming to Loyola for 8th this fall, he is a reclass. Just like his older brother.

Well Loyola does compete against BL, St P and McD , etc .. They need their share of reclass/prefirst/holdbacks to compete against their reclass/prefirst/holdbacks !

Let keep it real in the MIAA !

Anybody hear about Kooper's hiring Dave Pietramala? What's his role? This is a new angle and will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody hear about Kooper's hiring Dave Pietramala? What's his role? This is a new angle and will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Program changing. It will help Koopers get to the next level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any changes at DC Dogs or Next Level?

Only change is that they win everything in site next year. Baltimore and LI need to realize the new hotbed is the DCizzle for shizzle. Dirty Dawgs be handling business like it aint nothing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody hear about Kooper's hiring Dave Pietramala? What's his role? This is a new angle and will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Announcement says director of coaching development

Someone on this forum has an obsession with Koopers - claiming 91 players tried out there, well run, and now Coach P. Don’t recall ever seeing posts about this club here until recent weeks. And the owner/Director don’t have a son in 2023 so, why?

Saw Koopers 2023 players at other tryouts too. Who cares?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody hear about Kooper's hiring Dave Pietramala? What's his role? This is a new angle and will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Program changing. It will help Koopers get to the next level.

This guy is having a conversation with himself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody hear about Kooper's hiring Dave Pietramala? What's his role? This is a new angle and will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Program changing. It will help Koopers get to the next level.

This guy is having a conversation with himself.

Rumor has it that Coach Petro is making a career change. Leaving JHU to coach Koopers 2023. Heard it here first people!

Rumor has it that Coach Petro is making a career change. Leaving JHU to coach Koopers 2023. Heard it here first people! [/quote]

And B is the assistant coach...

He's not leaving Hopkins! I can confirm that for sure. No way. However, huge move on Kooper's part because you don't hear of big NCAA coaches doing this type of role.

So for once there isn't a post about Crabs? Isn't this a lacrosse forum about lacrosse news and happenings? This is big news. A lot of buzz going on out and during tryouts and it can make or break decisions on which team. Apparently, Kooper's is making major upgrades and changes. I applaud more competition will be out there rather than the same teams.
I did hear Looney's 2022 AA folded and most of them going to Kooper's.
I can say that I think 91 players were at other tryouts like Looney's and FCA, not just Kooper's. However, I don't think there is a max exodus but I think things are unsettled with MM moving kid down to 2023. There are some loyal players staying at 91 for sure.
Also, there is absolutely no way Petra is leaving Hopkins for a club team.

And there was 5 Koopers kids at 91 tryouts. Grass is always greener elsewhere. Koopers lost HoCo B to Top Caliber. 91 is winless over two years in HoCo elite. Agree Crabs is irrelevant. No one cares.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So for once there isn't a post about Crabs? Isn't this a lacrosse forum about lacrosse news and happenings? This is big news. A lot of buzz going on out and during tryouts and it can make or break decisions on which team. Apparently, Kooper's is making major upgrades and changes. I applaud more competition will be out there rather than the same teams.
I did hear Looney's 2022 AA folded and most of them going to Kooper's.
I can say that I think 91 players were at other tryouts like Looney's and FCA, not just Kooper's. However, I don't think there is a max exodus but I think things are unsettled with MM moving kid down to 2023. There are some loyal players staying at 91 for sure.
Also, there is absolutely no way Petra is leaving Hopkins for a club team.

Those 91 kids are not loyal. With a couple of holdback exceptions, they could not make a legit elite team. So they accept the automatic invite to return.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So for once there isn't a post about Crabs? Isn't this a lacrosse forum about lacrosse news and happenings? This is big news. A lot of buzz going on out and during tryouts and it can make or break decisions on which team. Apparently, Kooper's is making major upgrades and changes. I applaud more competition will be out there rather than the same teams.
I did hear Looney's 2022 AA folded and most of them going to Kooper's.
I can say that I think 91 players were at other tryouts like Looney's and FCA, not just Kooper's. However, I don't think there is a max exodus but I think things are unsettled with MM moving kid down to 2023. There are some loyal players staying at 91 for sure.
Also, there is absolutely no way Petra is leaving Hopkins for a club team.

Those 91 kids are not loyal. With a couple of holdback exceptions, they could not make a legit elite team. So they accept the automatic invite to return.

There a few 'core' kids on 2023 that are definitely loyal to the 91 program that could play on a legitimate elite team. Unfortunately the club has a bad wrap, poor coaching and MM as the owner of the organization. However, since MM son is coming down I can guarantee he will not let this team go winless again at this level. So like his son look for an influx of 22 'reclassifications' coming to 23s for the Spring ONLY.

My son went to MM Elite camp and on more than one occasion heard MM tell kids 'you stink and shouldn't be playing lacrosse". What an ambassador to the game this guy is!! If you are on or considering 91 2023; RUN!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So for once there isn't a post about Crabs? Isn't this a lacrosse forum about lacrosse news and happenings? This is big news. A lot of buzz going on out and during tryouts and it can make or break decisions on which team. Apparently, Kooper's is making major upgrades and changes. I applaud more competition will be out there rather than the same teams.
I did hear Looney's 2022 AA folded and most of them going to Kooper's.
I can say that I think 91 players were at other tryouts like Looney's and FCA, not just Kooper's. However, I don't think there is a max exodus but I think things are unsettled with MM moving kid down to 2023. There are some loyal players staying at 91 for sure.
Also, there is absolutely no way Petra is leaving Hopkins for a club team.

Those 91 kids are not loyal. With a couple of holdback exceptions, they could not make a legit elite team. So they accept the automatic invite to return.

Announcement on Petro said his JHU Dir of Ops is also joining Koopers as assistant dir of coaching. Dir of Ops jobs for college lax teams are very low pay. This is mainly a side hustle for the Dir of OPs and Petro lends his name and does a couple of coaches clinics. He's doing a solid for his buddies who run Koopers and his ops guy can pay a few bills. Still great resources for koopers coaches and players.

I think this is right. Coaching the coaches is likely not a huge commitment in time. I think it’s adding prestige to a club that has struggled outside of the top kids (including Petro’s) on the 2021/22 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So for once there isn't a post about Crabs? Isn't this a lacrosse forum about lacrosse news and happenings? This is big news. A lot of buzz going on out and during tryouts and it can make or break decisions on which team. Apparently, Kooper's is making major upgrades and changes. I applaud more competition will be out there rather than the same teams.
I did hear Looney's 2022 AA folded and most of them going to Kooper's.
I can say that I think 91 players were at other tryouts like Looney's and FCA, not just Kooper's. However, I don't think there is a max exodus but I think things are unsettled with MM moving kid down to 2023. There are some loyal players staying at 91 for sure.
Also, there is absolutely no way Petra is leaving Hopkins for a club team.

Those 91 kids are not loyal. With a couple of holdback exceptions, they could not make a legit elite team. So they accept the automatic invite to return.

Announcement on Petro said his JHU Dir of Ops is also joining Koopers as assistant dir of coaching. Dir of Ops jobs for college lax teams are very low pay. This is mainly a side hustle for the Dir of OPs and Petro lends his name and does a couple of coaches clinics. He's doing a solid for his buddies who run Koopers and his ops guy can pay a few bills. Still great resources for koopers coaches and players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So for once there isn't a post about Crabs? Isn't this a lacrosse forum about lacrosse news and happenings? This is big news. A lot of buzz going on out and during tryouts and it can make or break decisions on which team. Apparently, Kooper's is making major upgrades and changes. I applaud more competition will be out there rather than the same teams.
I did hear Looney's 2022 AA folded and most of them going to Kooper's.
I can say that I think 91 players were at other tryouts like Looney's and FCA, not just Kooper's. However, I don't think there is a max exodus but I think things are unsettled with MM moving kid down to 2023. There are some loyal players staying at 91 for sure.
Also, there is absolutely no way Petra is leaving Hopkins for a club team.

Those 91 kids are not loyal. With a couple of holdback exceptions, they could not make a legit elite team. So they accept the automatic invite to return.

There a few 'core' kids on 2023 that are definitely loyal to the 91 program that could play on a legitimate elite team. Unfortunately the club has a bad wrap, poor coaching and MM as the owner of the organization. However, since MM son is coming down I can guarantee he will not let this team go winless again at this level. So like his son look for an influx of 22 'reclassifications' coming to 23s for the Spring ONLY.

My son went to MM Elite camp and on more than one occasion heard MM tell kids 'you stink and shouldn't be playing lacrosse". What an ambassador to the game this guy is!! If you are on or considering 91 2023; RUN!!!!

His 2022 team only won 1 game in Hoco this past season. But somehow that 2022 team won Naptown?!

So the new to be formed Green Turtle and revived Breakers (two teams) have not had a tryout yet. What is the outlook there? Any buzz around the rebranded True Maryland Wolfpack, which held a tryout last week?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So for once there isn't a post about Crabs? Isn't this a lacrosse forum about lacrosse news and happenings? This is big news. A lot of buzz going on out and during tryouts and it can make or break decisions on which team. Apparently, Kooper's is making major upgrades and changes. I applaud more competition will be out there rather than the same teams.
I did hear Looney's 2022 AA folded and most of them going to Kooper's.
I can say that I think 91 players were at other tryouts like Looney's and FCA, not just Kooper's. However, I don't think there is a max exodus but I think things are unsettled with MM moving kid down to 2023. There are some loyal players staying at 91 for sure.
Also, there is absolutely no way Petra is leaving Hopkins for a club team.

Those 91 kids are not loyal. With a couple of holdback exceptions, they could not make a legit elite team. So they accept the automatic invite to return.

There a few 'core' kids on 2023 that are definitely loyal to the 91 program that could play on a legitimate elite team. Unfortunately the club has a bad wrap, poor coaching and MM as the owner of the organization. However, since MM son is coming down I can guarantee he will not let this team go winless again at this level. So like his son look for an influx of 22 'reclassifications' coming to 23s for the Spring ONLY.

My son went to MM Elite camp and on more than one occasion heard MM tell kids 'you stink and shouldn't be playing lacrosse". What an ambassador to the game this guy is!! If you are on or considering 91 2023; RUN!!!!

His 2022 team only won 1 game in Hoco this past season. But somehow that 2022 team won Naptown?!

Fake News. Hawks 2022 won Naptown

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So for once there isn't a post about Crabs? Isn't this a lacrosse forum about lacrosse news and happenings? This is big news. A lot of buzz going on out and during tryouts and it can make or break decisions on which team. Apparently, Kooper's is making major upgrades and changes. I applaud more competition will be out there rather than the same teams.
I did hear Looney's 2022 AA folded and most of them going to Kooper's.
I can say that I think 91 players were at other tryouts like Looney's and FCA, not just Kooper's. However, I don't think there is a max exodus but I think things are unsettled with MM moving kid down to 2023. There are some loyal players staying at 91 for sure.
Also, there is absolutely no way Petra is leaving Hopkins for a club team.

Those 91 kids are not loyal. With a couple of holdback exceptions, they could not make a legit elite team. So they accept the automatic invite to return.

There a few 'core' kids on 2023 that are definitely loyal to the 91 program that could play on a legitimate elite team. Unfortunately the club has a bad wrap, poor coaching and MM as the owner of the organization. However, since MM son is coming down I can guarantee he will not let this team go winless again at this level. So like his son look for an influx of 22 'reclassifications' coming to 23s for the Spring ONLY.

My son went to MM Elite camp and on more than one occasion heard MM tell kids 'you stink and shouldn't be playing lacrosse". What an ambassador to the game this guy is!! If you are on or considering 91 2023; RUN!!!!

His 2022 team only won 1 game in Hoco this past season. But somehow that 2022 team won Naptown?!

Fake News. Hawks 2022 won Naptown

91 Md won NLF, not Naptown; and it did only win 1 game in HoCo

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody hear about Kooper's hiring Dave Pietramala? What's his role? This is a new angle and will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Program changing. It will help Koopers get to the next level.

His twin boys play for Koopers. No surprise here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So for once there isn't a post about Crabs? Isn't this a lacrosse forum about lacrosse news and happenings? This is big news. A lot of buzz going on out and during tryouts and it can make or break decisions on which team. Apparently, Kooper's is making major upgrades and changes. I applaud more competition will be out there rather than the same teams.
I did hear Looney's 2022 AA folded and most of them going to Kooper's.
I can say that I think 91 players were at other tryouts like Looney's and FCA, not just Kooper's. However, I don't think there is a max exodus but I think things are unsettled with MM moving kid down to 2023. There are some loyal players staying at 91 for sure.
Also, there is absolutely no way Petra is leaving Hopkins for a club team.

Those 91 kids are not loyal. With a couple of holdback exceptions, they could not make a legit elite team. So they accept the automatic invite to return.

There a few 'core' kids on 2023 that are definitely loyal to the 91 program that could play on a legitimate elite team. Unfortunately the club has a bad wrap, poor coaching and MM as the owner of the organization. However, since MM son is coming down I can guarantee he will not let this team go winless again at this level. So like his son look for an influx of 22 'reclassifications' coming to 23s for the Spring ONLY.

My son went to MM Elite camp and on more than one occasion heard MM tell kids 'you stink and shouldn't be playing lacrosse". What an ambassador to the game this guy is!! If you are on or considering 91 2023; RUN!!!!

His 2022 team only won 1 game in Hoco this past season. But somehow that 2022 team won Naptown?!

Fake News. Hawks 2022 won Naptown

Think he meant T91 2022 won the NLF National Championship which is much more impressive than winning Naptown.

Safe to say what year has the super intense parents. The 2023 thread has more than double the pages of any other year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Safe to say what year has the super intense parents. The 2023 thread has more than double the pages of any other year.

Nothing to do with parents. Every year it is same.

8th grade is the big year of holdbacks/reclassed ! All the kids that werent already held back and Daddy thinks cant make it, stay another year in 8th. Causes all kinds of activity.

8th grade is the last year you can play the youth game with kids a year to two older than most of the other players.

8th grade you still think Laxey Johnny is a great player.

High School years has very little activity and especially very little holdback activity.. MIAA is still full of holdbacks but many kids in public along with MIAA arent and the effects are less.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Safe to say what year has the super intense parents. The 2023 thread has more than double the pages of any other year.

Nothing to do with parents. Every year it is same.

8th grade is the big year of holdbacks/reclassed ! All the kids that werent already held back and Daddy thinks cant make it, stay another year in 8th. Causes all kinds of activity.

8th grade is the last year you can play the youth game with kids a year to two older than most of the other players.

8th grade you still think Laxey Johnny is a great player.

High School years has very little activity and especially very little holdback activity.. MIAA is still full of holdbacks but many kids in public along with MIAA arent and the effects are less.

So basically...it’s the parents!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So for once there isn't a post about Crabs? Isn't this a lacrosse forum about lacrosse news and happenings? This is big news. A lot of buzz going on out and during tryouts and it can make or break decisions on which team. Apparently, Kooper's is making major upgrades and changes. I applaud more competition will be out there rather than the same teams.
I did hear Looney's 2022 AA folded and most of them going to Kooper's.
I can say that I think 91 players were at other tryouts like Looney's and FCA, not just Kooper's. However, I don't think there is a max exodus but I think things are unsettled with MM moving kid down to 2023. There are some loyal players staying at 91 for sure.
Also, there is absolutely no way Petra is leaving Hopkins for a club team.

Those 91 kids are not loyal. With a couple of holdback exceptions, they could not make a legit elite team. So they accept the automatic invite to return.

There a few 'core' kids on 2023 that are definitely loyal to the 91 program that could play on a legitimate elite team. Unfortunately the club has a bad wrap, poor coaching and MM as the owner of the organization. However, since MM son is coming down I can guarantee he will not let this team go winless again at this level. So like his son look for an influx of 22 'reclassifications' coming to 23s for the Spring ONLY.

My son went to MM Elite camp and on more than one occasion heard MM tell kids 'you stink and shouldn't be playing lacrosse". What an ambassador to the game this guy is!! If you are on or considering 91 2023; RUN!!!!

His 2022 team only won 1 game in Hoco this past season. But somehow that 2022 team won Naptown?!

Fake News. Hawks 2022 won Naptown

Think he meant T91 2022 won the NLF National Championship which is much more impressive than winning Naptown.

T91 TX won NLF with the help of a 91 NY and a few 91 MD players. With 91 and Crabs, guest players are the norm.

Breakers is a joke horrible program. Poor coaching and they only play in their own aloha tournaments. Its unethical at best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers is a joke horrible program. Poor coaching and they only play in their own aloha tournaments. Its unethical at best.

Doing something right. Tryout registration email says they are fielding 3 teams at 2023?

How many 91 Md helmets at Koopers tryout today?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers is a joke horrible program. Poor coaching and they only play in their own aloha tournaments. Its unethical at best.

Doing something right. Tryout registration email says they are fielding 3 teams at 2023?

Few clubs field two teams and when they do it is rarely a good move. Three teams for a B Club is silly. If they have a large tryout at least make one decent team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers is a joke horrible program. Poor coaching and they only play in their own aloha tournaments. Its unethical at best.

Doing something right. Tryout registration email says they are fielding 3 teams at 2023?

Few clubs field two teams and when they do it is rarely a good move. Three teams for a B Club is silly. If they have a large tryout at least make one decent team

3 teams is a money grab. B and C teams should be in MYLA as a better option for many at 1/10 the costs. Get better than move to a good club.
Most Rec ( which are as good as many B and C club teams ) have Spring Season and Indoor winter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers is a joke horrible program. Poor coaching and they only play in their own aloha tournaments. Its unethical at best.

Doing something right. Tryout registration email says they are fielding 3 teams at 2023?

Few clubs field two teams and when they do it is rarely a good move. Three teams for a B Club is silly. If they have a large tryout at least make one decent team

3 teams is a money grab. B and C teams should be in MYLA as a better option for many at 1/10 the costs. Get better than move to a good club.
Most Rec ( which are as good as many B and C club teams ) have Spring Season and Indoor winter.

Yea, or repeat a great like most of the kids on the A team. The MIAA and parents of privileged snowflakes have ruined youth lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers is a joke horrible program. Poor coaching and they only play in their own aloha tournaments. Its unethical at best.

Doing something right. Tryout registration email says they are fielding 3 teams at 2023?

Few clubs field two teams and when they do it is rarely a good move. Three teams for a B Club is silly. If they have a large tryout at least make one decent team

3 teams is a money grab. B and C teams should be in MYLA as a better option for many at 1/10 the costs. Get better than move to a good club.
Most Rec ( which are as good as many B and C club teams ) have Spring Season and Indoor winter.

Yea, or repeat a great like most of the kids on the A team. The MIAA and parents of privileged snowflakes have ruined youth lacrosse.

Kelly Post is more competitive and a much better option than any B team in Baltimore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers is a joke horrible program. Poor coaching and they only play in their own aloha tournaments. Its unethical at best.

Doing something right. Tryout registration email says they are fielding 3 teams at 2023?

Few clubs field two teams and when they do it is rarely a good move. Three teams for a B Club is silly. If they have a large tryout at least make one decent team

3 teams is a money grab. B and C teams should be in MYLA as a better option for many at 1/10 the costs. Get better than move to a good club.
Most Rec ( which are as good as many B and C club teams ) have Spring Season and Indoor winter.

Yea, or repeat a great like most of the kids on the A team. The MIAA and parents of privileged snowflakes have ruined youth lacrosse.

Kelly Post is more competitive and a much better option than any B team in Baltimore.

Nobody cares

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers is a joke horrible program. Poor coaching and they only play in their own aloha tournaments. Its unethical at best.

Thanks for your opinion, MM, not that we asked.

Post tryout rankings
1. Hawks (wow)
2. DC dogs
3. Crabs
4. FCA
5. Looneys
6.91

Not sure where the others fit in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Post tryout rankings
1. Hawks (wow)
2. DC dogs
3. Crabs
4. FCA
5. Looneys
6.91

Not sure where the others fit in.

What kids from other 23 teams or 22 holdbacks were there? Will they add new pieces? My son was at 3 other tryouts and never saw a Hawks helmet. Not sure what else they do but they seem to keep their core group together

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Post tryout rankings
1. Hawks (wow)
2. DC dogs
3. Crabs
4. FCA
5. Looneys
6.91

Not sure where the others fit in.

How could you possibly rank these teams at this point? Did you attend each tryout? Have you been given the roster for each team? The only obvious one is 91 being last. And they should not even be included. Breakers and Koopers would beat them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Post tryout rankings
1. Hawks (wow)
2. DC dogs
3. Crabs
4. FCA
5. Looneys
6.91

Not sure where the others fit in.

What kids from other 23 teams or 22 holdbacks were there? Will they add new pieces? My son was at 3 other tryouts and never saw a Hawks helmet. Not sure what else they do but they seem to keep their core group together

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Post tryout rankings
1. Hawks (wow)
2. DC dogs
3. Crabs
4. FCA
5. Looneys
6.91

Not sure where the others fit in.

What kids from other 23 teams or 22 holdbacks were there? Will they add new pieces? My son was at 3 other tryouts and never saw a Hawks helmet. Not sure what else they do but they seem to keep their core group together

WOW...three tryouts! Very impressive. We will all take note of your opinion of ranking teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Post tryout rankings
1. Hawks (wow)
2. DC dogs
3. Crabs
4. FCA
5. Looneys
6.91

Not sure where the others fit in.

What kids from other 23 teams or 22 holdbacks were there? Will they add new pieces? My son was at 3 other tryouts and never saw a Hawks helmet. Not sure what else they do but they seem to keep their core group together

They limit the drama as much as possible and support ALL of the kids on the teams. That's the key to success.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Post tryout rankings
1. Hawks (wow)
2. DC dogs
3. Crabs
4. FCA
5. Looneys
6.91

Not sure where the others fit in.

How could you possibly rank these teams at this point? Did you attend each tryout? Have you been given the roster for each team? The only obvious one is 91 being last. And they should not even be included. Breakers and Koopers would beat them.

This is funny. A parent from 91 must have a son leaving and trying out for Koopers and Breakers. First, no one thinks 91 is ranked 6. They left out NL and Bethesda/DCE. There are 40 teams in HOCO more included in the entire mid atlantic region and 91 should be ranked around 12-13 even with adding a 2022 coach's son. Koopers and Breakers are in the bottom half of this list of teams. PGLC beat all of them the year prior and they struggled the next level up. Name one team either Kooper or Breakers have beaten in the last two years that is Elite or AA?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Post tryout rankings
1. Hawks (wow)
2. DC dogs
3. Crabs
4. FCA
5. Looneys
6.91

Not sure where the others fit in.

How could you possibly rank these teams at this point? Did you attend each tryout? Have you been given the roster for each team? The only obvious one is 91 being last. And they should not even be included. Breakers and Koopers would beat them.

This is funny. A parent from 91 must have a son leaving and trying out for Koopers and Breakers. First, no one thinks 91 is ranked 6. They left out NL and Bethesda/DCE. There are 40 teams in HOCO more included in the entire mid atlantic region and 91 should be ranked around 12-13 even with adding a 2022 coach's son. Koopers and Breakers are in the bottom half of this list of teams. PGLC beat all of them the year prior and they struggled the next level up. Name one team either Kooper or Breakers have beaten in the last two years that is Elite or AA?

Breakers and Koopers have beaten the same number of elite teams as 91 - zero.

Breakers has first tryout yeaterday. Their top team will play AA. It will be very good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers has first tryout yeaterday. Their top team will play AA. It will be very good.

Have they ever beaten a team at AA? Glad to see they are moving up but they will be likely a .500 team. That is good but very good? Will other AA teams move up to Elite? I guess it is a matter or comparison. Who is this team close with?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers is a joke horrible program. Poor coaching and they only play in their own aloha tournaments. Its unethical at best.

Doing something right. Tryout registration email says they are fielding 3 teams at 2023?

Few clubs field two teams and when they do it is rarely a good move. Three teams for a B Club is silly. If they have a large tryout at least make one decent team

3 teams is a money grab. B and C teams should be in MYLA as a better option for many at 1/10 the costs. Get better than move to a good club.
Most Rec ( which are as good as many B and C club teams ) have Spring Season and Indoor winter.

Yea, or repeat a great like most of the kids on the A team. The MIAA and parents of privileged snowflakes have ruined youth lacrosse.

Kelly Post is more competitive and a much better option than any B team in Baltimore.

Nobody cares

Sorry JJ , didnt mean to hurt your feeling and attack your money flow.

Kelly Post, Cockeysville and others are more competitive at 1/10 the cost. One day sanity might come back to Lacrosse .

Breakers is a unethical money grabbing club

How could you possibly rank these teams at this point? Did you attend each tryout? Have you been given the roster for each team? The only obvious one is 91 being last. And they should not even be included. Breakers and Koopers would beat them.[/quote]
This is funny. A parent from 91 must have a son leaving and trying out for Koopers and Breakers. First, no one thinks 91 is ranked 6. They left out NL and Bethesda/DCE. There are 40 teams in HOCO more included in the entire mid atlantic region and 91 should be ranked around 12-13 even with adding a 2022 coach's son. Koopers and Breakers are in the bottom half of this list of teams. PGLC beat all of them the year prior and they struggled the next level up. Name one team either Kooper or Breakers have beaten in the last two years that is Elite or AA?[/quote]

Breakers and Koopers have beaten the same number of elite teams as 91 - zero. [/quote]

Koopers and 91 have another thing in common - all daddy coaches

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers and 91 have another thing in common - all daddy coaches

Most coaches at this level are daddy coaches, so what’s your point?

This is funny. A parent from 91 must have a son leaving and trying out for Koopers and Breakers. First, no one thinks 91 is ranked 6. They left out NL and Bethesda/DCE. There are 40 teams in HOCO more included in the entire mid atlantic region and 91 should be ranked around 12-13 even with adding a 2022 coach's son. Koopers and Breakers are in the bottom half of this list of teams. PGLC beat all of them the year prior and they struggled the next level up. Name one team either Kooper or Breakers have beaten in the last two years that is Elite or AA?[/quote]

Name one AA team 91 has beaten. We know they did not beat any team in HoCo elite. And they nearly lost to Looneys second (HoCo A champs) in the Koopers league championship. Breakers AA will beat 91 and Koopers in head-to-head.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers and 91 have another thing in common - all daddy coaches

Most coaches at this level are daddy coaches, so what’s your point?

Not Crabs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers and 91 have another thing in common - all daddy coaches

Most coaches at this level are daddy coaches, so what’s your point?

So does rec

Except for 2021, Koopers is equal to rec interm of players and coaches but has cool gear

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most coaches at this level are daddy coaches, so what’s your point?

I think the "Daddy Ball" insult is overused and misses the point. It's not that parent coaches are bad, per se. Rather, it's that SOME parent coaches (more often dads, but not always), put their own interests in living through their kid ahead of the team. My son has played for many Dad/Coaches and they have all put the team first. In fact, in many cases their kid ended up getting the short end of the stick - having to play out of position to fill a need, etc.

The obvious downside of "professional" coaches at this level is that they tend to be young kids themselves, right out of college. Teams run the risk that the coach will get a new (real) job and end up missing practice/games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Except for 2021, Koopers is equal to rec interm of players and coaches but has cool gear

All for just slightly over $2,000.

The issue at this age isn't really rec versus club. Rec lacrosse at the Junior level is dead. There are very few teams because the older half of any potential team are ineligible because the kids are likely playing in high school. So even the best/biggest rec programs struggle to field teams.

It's too bad, but it is what it is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is funny. A parent from 91 must have a son leaving and trying out for Koopers and Breakers. First, no one thinks 91 is ranked 6. They left out NL and Bethesda/DCE. There are 40 teams in HOCO more included in the entire mid atlantic region and 91 should be ranked around 12-13 even with adding a 2022 coach's son. Koopers and Breakers are in the bottom half of this list of teams. PGLC beat all of them the year prior and they struggled the next level up. Name one team either Kooper or Breakers have beaten in the last two years that is Elite or AA?

Name one AA team 91 has beaten. We know they did not beat any team in HoCo elite. And they nearly lost to Looneys second (HoCo A champs) in the Koopers league championship. Breakers AA will beat 91 and Koopers in head-to-head.[/quote]
Last season AA div had 12 teams. Breakers did not win the A div. If they move up to AA who leaves the AA div? Will they have 13 teams at AA? 91 should clearly move down from Elite will that make 14? If Koopers is AA is that 15? How does a team advertise which HOCO div they will play in prior to tryout? Is there any club that has a solid second team? Answer is NO three teams is a total case of $$ over what is best for the players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is funny. A parent from 91 must have a son leaving and trying out for Koopers and Breakers. First, no one thinks 91 is ranked 6. They left out NL and Bethesda/DCE. There are 40 teams in HOCO more included in the entire mid atlantic region and 91 should be ranked around 12-13 even with adding a 2022 coach's son. Koopers and Breakers are in the bottom half of this list of teams. PGLC beat all of them the year prior and they struggled the next level up. Name one team either Kooper or Breakers have beaten in the last two years that is Elite or AA?

Name one AA team 91 has beaten. We know they did not beat any team in HoCo elite. And they nearly lost to Looneys second (HoCo A champs) in the Koopers league championship. Breakers AA will beat 91 and Koopers in head-to-head.

Last season AA div had 12 teams. Breakers did not win the A div. If they move up to AA who leaves the AA div? Will they have 13 teams at AA? 91 should clearly move down from Elite will that make 14? If Koopers is AA is that 15? How does a team advertise which HOCO div they will play in prior to tryout? Is there any club that has a solid second team? Answer is NO three teams is a total case of $$ over what is best for the players.[/quote]

Well, with AA, in terms of number of teams and potential movement, consider that (1) 3D Mid-A and Lax Factory merges so that opens one spot, and (2) two teams had 2 wins and (3) three teams had 1 win. So there is room to move. 91 should drop down from elite and those 1 win teams should drop out. Teams in A that have a good argument to live up are Looneys green and Breakers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most coaches at this level are daddy coaches, so what’s your point?

I think the "Daddy Ball" insult is overused and misses the point. It's not that parent coaches are bad, per se. Rather, it's that SOME parent coaches (more often dads, but not always), put their own interests in living through their kid ahead of the team. My son has played for many Dad/Coaches and they have all put the team first. In fact, in many cases their kid ended up getting the short end of the stick - having to play out of position to fill a need, etc.

The obvious downside of "professional" coaches at this level is that they tend to be young kids themselves, right out of college. Teams run the risk that the coach will get a new (real) job and end up missing practice/games.

Dad coaches are a reality and in most cases are not an issue but you have to question the motives of a Dad coach if their kid could not make another team at the level they are playing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most coaches at this level are daddy coaches, so what’s your point?

I think the "Daddy Ball" insult is overused and misses the point. It's not that parent coaches are bad, per se. Rather, it's that SOME parent coaches (more often dads, but not always), put their own interests in living through their kid ahead of the team. My son has played for many Dad/Coaches and they have all put the team first. In fact, in many cases their kid ended up getting the short end of the stick - having to play out of position to fill a need, etc.

The obvious downside of "professional" coaches at this level is that they tend to be young kids themselves, right out of college. Teams run the risk that the coach will get a new (real) job and end up missing practice/games.

Plus those college kids have no idea how to coach and don’t care about the team, it’s just a pay check. If it’s a qualified “dad” I much rather have that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is funny. A parent from 91 must have a son leaving and trying out for Koopers and Breakers. First, no one thinks 91 is ranked 6. They left out NL and Bethesda/DCE. There are 40 teams in HOCO more included in the entire mid atlantic region and 91 should be ranked around 12-13 even with adding a 2022 coach's son. Koopers and Breakers are in the bottom half of this list of teams. PGLC beat all of them the year prior and they struggled the next level up. Name one team either Kooper or Breakers have beaten in the last two years that is Elite or AA?

Name one AA team 91 has beaten. We know they did not beat any team in HoCo elite. And they nearly lost to Looneys second (HoCo A champs) in the Koopers league championship. Breakers AA will beat 91 and Koopers in head-to-head.

Last season AA div had 12 teams. Breakers did not win the A div. If they move up to AA who leaves the AA div? Will they have 13 teams at AA? 91 should clearly move down from Elite will that make 14? If Koopers is AA is that 15? How does a team advertise which HOCO div they will play in prior to tryout? Is there any club that has a solid second team? Answer is NO three teams is a total case of $$ over what is best for the players.

Well, with AA, in terms of number of teams and potential movement, consider that (1) 3D Mid-A and Lax Factory merges so that opens one spot, and (2) two teams had 2 wins and (3) three teams had 1 win. So there is room to move. 91 should drop down from elite and those 1 win teams should drop out. Teams in A that have a good argument to live up are Looneys green and Breakers. [/quote]
If 91 moves down, who moves up? I thought 3d is now VA and MD (2 teams) If Looneys B moves up then FCA B should move down which is a wash. Breakers could move up but not Koopers unless they gain a lot of talent. Should be a fun spring. Fall will help settle some of this.

Lots of movement, lots of 22's reclassing and either moving or dropping down within the same program. Lots of trash talk by the parents.

It will be interesting to see what emerges come the Spring HOCO season. Personally, I can't wait to hear the insanity from the parents on the sidelines.

--Parent of kid joining an "elite" team after years of playing at the A/B level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of movement, lots of 22's reclassing and either moving or dropping down within the same program. Lots of trash talk by the parents.

It will be interesting to see what emerges come the Spring HOCO season. Personally, I can't wait to hear the insanity from the parents on the sidelines.

--Parent of kid joining an "elite" team after years of playing at the A/B level.

It will be insanity from that parent sees limited paying time

It's quite a apparent that parents or kids who trash teams and intimiately know the details of said teams, their kids were either cut or the team did better without them when they left and they regret their decision.
This has been a pretty informative forum along with respectful opinions. I don't understand the annihilations of other teams. The transparentcy is glaring. Be informative not ignorant or offended because you're not realistic about your own kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's quite a apparent that parents or kids who trash teams and intimiately know the details of said teams, their kids were either cut or the team did better without them when they left and they regret their decision.
This has been a pretty informative forum along with respectful opinions. I don't understand the annihilations of other teams. The transparentcy is glaring. Be informative not ignorant or offended because you're not realistic about your own kid.

It’s a small community and most of these kids have played club with and against each other since third grade. The warts on these teams become obvious.

Well said!I feel bad for the kids of the parents that come on here and spew negative comments all the time.There are a lot of good people on here wishing each other well or sharing positive feed back.they should have a separate back of the cage for nasty parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well said!I feel bad for the kids of the parents that come on here and spew negative comments all the time.There are a lot of good people on here wishing each other well or sharing positive feed back.they should have a separate back of the cage for nasty parents.

Then the forum obviously wouldnt be as much fun to watch. Frankly many over the top remarks about Clubs and coaches have some validity to them. Probably not as bad as Stalin and his Red Lacrosse Club, where you were sent to the gulag for not scoring or letting in a goal. But some of these Clubs are pretty bad along with some insane coaches who shouldnt be coaching

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well said!I feel bad for the kids of the parents that come on here and spew negative comments all the time.There are a lot of good people on here wishing each other well or sharing positive feed back.they should have a separate back of the cage for nasty parents.

Then the forum obviously wouldnt be as much fun to watch. Frankly many over the top remarks about Clubs and coaches have some validity to them. Probably not as bad as Stalin and his Red Lacrosse Club, where you were sent to the gulag for not scoring or letting in a goal. But some of these Clubs are pretty bad along with some insane coaches who shouldnt be coaching

I would not agree that there is much well wishing and positive feedback but there is good information if you can read through the sillyness. I do not think many kids read or post but do feel that calling out kids even by number or description is sad as most kids do know each other and it could get back to them. Talking about a team or coach is fair game IMO as they are the ones who decided to make this a business. I think many of the posts come from clubs attempting to compete for talent. With that, I am curious which teams are improved/ or not based on tryouts. What will the divisions for the spring look like based on the tryouts and which team will have the hottest moms.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well said!I feel bad for the kids of the parents that come on here and spew negative comments all the time.There are a lot of good people on here wishing each other well or sharing positive feed back.they should have a separate back of the cage for nasty parents.

Then the forum obviously wouldnt be as much fun to watch. Frankly many over the top remarks about Clubs and coaches have some validity to them. Probably not as bad as Stalin and his Red Lacrosse Club, where you were sent to the gulag for not scoring or letting in a goal. But some of these Clubs are pretty bad along with some insane coaches who shouldnt be coaching

I would not agree that there is much well wishing and positive feedback but there is good information if you can read through the sillyness. I do not think many kids read or post but do feel that calling out kids even by number or description is sad as most kids do know each other and it could get back to them. Talking about a team or coach is fair game IMO as they are the ones who decided to make this a business. I think many of the posts come from clubs attempting to compete for talent. With that, I am curious which teams are improved/ or not based on tryouts. What will the divisions for the spring look like based on the tryouts and which team will have the hottest moms.

I can guarantee you one thing, the Hawks will have the largest Moms. They like 'em big down there.

So what club teams got batter and which took a step back after this tryout season? Does anyone have insight?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well said!I feel bad for the kids of the parents that come on here and spew negative comments all the time.There are a lot of good people on here wishing each other well or sharing positive feed back.they should have a separate back of the cage for nasty parents.

Then the forum obviously wouldnt be as much fun to watch. Frankly many over the top remarks about Clubs and coaches have some validity to them. Probably not as bad as Stalin and his Red Lacrosse Club, where you were sent to the gulag for not scoring or letting in a goal. But some of these Clubs are pretty bad along with some insane coaches who shouldnt be coaching

I would not agree that there is much well wishing and positive feedback but there is good information if you can read through the sillyness. I do not think many kids read or post but do feel that calling out kids even by number or description is sad as most kids do know each other and it could get back to them. Talking about a team or coach is fair game IMO as they are the ones who decided to make this a business. I think many of the posts come from clubs attempting to compete for talent. With that, I am curious which teams are improved/ or not based on tryouts. What will the divisions for the spring look like based on the tryouts and which team will have the hottest moms.

I can guarantee you one thing, the Hawks will have the largest Moms. They like 'em big down there.

They must be Holdback Moms.

I wish this forum was divided by levels...almost all talk is about elite teams; what about the boys/teams that play on A or AA teams who are quality boys and players for clubs who aren't just money grabbers who encourage holdbacks and guest players in tournaments?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what club teams got batter and which took a step back after this tryout season? Does anyone have insight?

I am not even sure you can answer that . It is almost like what team will be the best in HOCO,,,how many holdbacks, limited guest players and limited out of state guys, Mostly local team with local holdbacks.

....Which team will be better in run of the mill tournaments, who has most holdbacks regionally , who has the best guest players and some out of state players .....

and then who will be best in NLF Championship where anything goes, Fly in in from all corners of country, find some local allstar players , holdbacks galore and from anywhere.

It just isnt easy to answer that question anymore..

Originally Posted by itswhatever

I wish this forum was divided by levels...almost all talk is about elite teams; what about the boys/teams that play on A or AA teams who are quality boys and players for clubs who aren't just money grabbers who encourage holdbacks and guest players in tournaments?

Ok. So who are the best A or AA teams? Most posts so far have been about 91 Breakers and Koopers are they Elite?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by itswhatever

I wish this forum was divided by levels...almost all talk is about elite teams; what about the boys/teams that play on A or AA teams who are quality boys and players for clubs who aren't just money grabbers who encourage holdbacks and guest players in tournaments?

Ok. So who are the best A or AA teams? Most posts so far have been about 91 Breakers and Koopers are they Elite?

Of course not. Koopers is holding a supplemental tryout. It lost the B championship to Top Calibrr.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what club teams got batter and which took a step back after this tryout season? Does anyone have insight?

It will be an interesting year to day the least as this is the year kids are most likely going to reclassify. Hawks will still be the team to beat at the 2023 Level but the merger of club blue and Madlax to form DC Dogs will be interesting; rumor is this team is loaded with talent. Also sounds like crabs reloaded and have no less than 8 kids playing down an age group; this club is really a disgrace. Also heard FCA made a lot of changes as well and gotten better; Looney’s, BLC and 91 may have all taken a step back. Again all based on the “word” that’s going around after tryouts. But as we all now; it’s all BS until the season starts!!

AAA
hawks
dc dawgs both teams head of the pack
crabs distant third but depends on holdbacks
the rest depends on the day
loneys fca next level dc express 91 (hold back cheaters)
AA
South river cannons cavaliers top three
3D and Madlax (whoops team blew up)
the rest should drop to A
zingo's HLC breakers top 3 teams
loneys thunder both pretty good
East side may make some noise
the rest should form another division
koopers (so many hold backs) and top caliber should move up
enjoy the year boys and girls

Originally Posted by Anonymous

AAA
hawks
dc dawgs both teams head of the pack
crabs distant third but depends on holdbacks
the rest depends on the day
loneys fca next level dc express 91 (hold back cheaters)
AA
South river cannons cavaliers top three
3D and Madlax (whoops team blew up)
the rest should drop to A
zingo's HLC breakers top 3 teams
loneys thunder both pretty good
East side may make some noise
the rest should form another division
koopers (so many hold backs) and top caliber should move up
enjoy the year boys and girls

Think you forgot VLC who won AA

Roughriders 2023 unable to field a team for second straight year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

AAA
hawks
dc dawgs both teams head of the pack
crabs distant third but depends on holdbacks
the rest depends on the day
loneys fca next level dc express 91 (hold back cheaters)
AA
South river cannons cavaliers top three
3D and Madlax (whoops team blew up)
the rest should drop to A
zingo's HLC breakers top 3 teams
loneys thunder both pretty good
East side may make some noise
the rest should form another division
koopers (so many hold backs) and top caliber should move up
enjoy the year boys and girls

Enjoy watching from the sideline with your son.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

AAA
hawks
dc dawgs both teams head of the pack
crabs distant third but depends on holdbacks
the rest depends on the day
loneys fca next level dc express 91 (hold back cheaters)
AA
South river cannons cavaliers top three
3D and Madlax (whoops team blew up)
the rest should drop to A
zingo's HLC breakers top 3 teams
loneys thunder both pretty good
East side may make some noise
the rest should form another division
koopers (so many hold backs) and top caliber should move up
enjoy the year boys and girls

What does “east side may make some noise” mean?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Roughriders 2023 unable to field a team for second straight year.

So?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Roughriders 2023 unable to field a team for second straight year.

So this will be there third consecutive year without a win in HoCo elite —. Same as MD 91

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Roughriders 2023 unable to field a team for second straight year.

So this will be there third consecutive year without a win in HoCo elite —. Same as MD 91

"there" third consecutive year?? Neither team is or ever was Elite. 91 should play AA or A. However, HOCO league at this age is large so need to re-set the deck. 5 or 7 teams does not work. Maybe just have A, B, C and have 12 at each. There will be a few mismatched games but better overall games for all teams. Better than a two team league with Hawks and DCD

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Roughriders 2023 unable to field a team for second straight year.

So this will be there third consecutive year without a win in HoCo elite —. Same as MD 91

"there" third consecutive year?? Neither team is or ever was Elite. 91 should play AA or A. However, HOCO league at this age is large so need to re-set the deck. 5 or 7 teams does not work. Maybe just have A, B, C and have 12 at each. There will be a few mismatched games but better overall games for all teams. Better than a two team league with Hawks and DCD

Good idea. Have 12 team divisions, with subdivisions in each

2019 HOCO 2023 could be:

A Div:
Group one: Hawks, FCA, Looney's, Crabs, SR, Cannons
Group two: DC dogs, NL, DCE, 91, Pick 2 from (VLC, Cav, 3d-LF)

B Div:
Group one: (3d, VLC, CAV: pick one), PGLC, PLC, Top Caliber, MadLax, USS Carriers
Group two: API, FCA W, Looney G, Breakers, Koopers, HLC

C Div:
Group one: Zingos, Lax W, Thunder, Rock, East Side, G, Evergreen, HOCO, Green Hornets, GT?
Group Two: Sidewinders, Bethesda O or DCE-B, MD Wolfpack, MDX, Revolution, Fallston

Slow day at work but I think this could be a better alignment for all the teams. Parks and Rec will receive an invoice in the mail for this research.

DC Dogs is Madlax. Funny how some hate Cabell so much that they refuse to acknowledge that the #1 (or co-#1 with Hawks) 2023 team in HOCO and possible the country is Madlax. But if it makes you feel better, keep calling it DC Dogs and make it sound like it is not Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2019 HOCO 2023 could be:

A Div:
Group one: Hawks, FCA, Looney's, Crabs, SR, Cannons
Group two: DC dogs, NL, DCE, 91, Pick 2 from (VLC, Cav, 3d-LF)

B Div:
Group one: (3d, VLC, CAV: pick one), PGLC, PLC, Top Caliber, MadLax, USS Carriers
Group two: API, FCA W, Looney G, Breakers, Koopers, HLC

C Div:
Group one: Zingos, Lax W, Thunder, Rock, East Side, G, Evergreen, HOCO, Green Hornets, GT?
Group Two: Sidewinders, Bethesda O or DCE-B, MD Wolfpack, MDX, Revolution, Fallston

Slow day at work but I think this could be a better alignment for all the teams. Parks and Rec will receive an invoice in the mail for this research.

Although you have to change "A" to "Elite", "B" to "AA" and "C" to "A". Wouldn't want anyone thinking their team or child was any lower than "A".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2019 HOCO 2023 could be:

A Div:
Group one: Hawks, FCA, Looney's, Crabs, SR, Cannons
Group two: DC dogs, NL, DCE, 91, Pick 2 from (VLC, Cav, 3d-LF)

B Div:
Group one: (3d, VLC, CAV: pick one), PGLC, PLC, Top Caliber, MadLax, USS Carriers
Group two: API, FCA W, Looney G, Breakers, Koopers, HLC

C Div:
Group one: Zingos, Lax W, Thunder, Rock, East Side, G, Evergreen, HOCO, Green Hornets, GT?
Group Two: Sidewinders, Bethesda O or DCE-B, MD Wolfpack, MDX, Revolution, Fallston

Slow day at work but I think this could be a better alignment for all the teams. Parks and Rec will receive an invoice in the mail for this research.

Although you have to change "A" to "Elite", "B" to "AA" and "C" to "A". Wouldn't want anyone thinking their team or child was any lower than "A".

More accurately - holdback (9th grade age), A, B

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Dogs is Madlax. Funny how some hate Cabell so much that they refuse to acknowledge that the #1 (or co-#1 with Hawks) 2023 team in HOCO and possible the country is Madlax. But if it makes you feel better, keep calling it DC Dogs and make it sound like it is not Madlax.

Because of the good players are from club blue. If you call it Madlax everyone will assume the team is lousy since of course it has been for years at 2023.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2019 HOCO 2023 could be:

A Div:
Group one: Hawks, FCA, Looney's, Crabs, SR, Cannons
Group two: DC dogs, NL, DCE, 91, Pick 2 from (VLC, Cav, 3d-LF)

B Div:
Group one: (3d, VLC, CAV: pick one), PGLC, PLC, Top Caliber, MadLax, USS Carriers
Group two: API, FCA W, Looney G, Breakers, Koopers, HLC

C Div:
Group one: Zingos, Lax W, Thunder, Rock, East Side, G, Evergreen, HOCO, Green Hornets, GT?
Group Two: Sidewinders, Bethesda O or DCE-B, MD Wolfpack, MDX, Revolution, Fallston

Slow day at work but I think this could be a better alignment for all the teams. Parks and Rec will receive an invoice in the mail for this research.

Lax World folded. Breakers will have 3 teams. 3D should be in B. Koopers should be in C (no upgrade from last year). USS should be in C (got smoked in AA). PGLC should be in B (major drop off last year). Thunder and Rock should should be in B (4 and 3, 3 and 5 in A last year). Will GT even be able to field a team?

Koopers went undefeated in HOCO B div. until losing a close championship to Top Caliber. Most of their games were not even close. They should be in B with Top Caliber or A based on the current divisions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Dogs is Madlax. Funny how some hate Cabell so much that they refuse to acknowledge that the #1 (or co-#1 with Hawks) 2023 team in HOCO and possible the country is Madlax. But if it makes you feel better, keep calling it DC Dogs and make it sound like it is not Madlax.

How did Madlax (aka DC Dawgs) do against Hawks last year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Dogs is Madlax. Funny how some hate Cabell so much that they refuse to acknowledge that the #1 (or co-#1 with Hawks) 2023 team in HOCO and possible the country is Madlax. But if it makes you feel better, keep calling it DC Dogs and make it sound like it is not Madlax.

Interesting theory, this team is good and even made it on ESPN 3 where they were referred to as DC Dogs on the screen and by the announcers. Is it a mass conspiracy by the lacrosse world to call this team DC Dogs just to show hate toward the club owner? HMMM maybe it could be most refer to this team by that name because they call themselves DC Dogs?? They even have a uniform that is unlike any other Madlax team. If they wanted to be referred to as Madlax why the DC dogs with a different uniform and logo? It is a very very good team and I have never met or spoken with Cabell and could care less and do not hate. However, this team is also not a co-#1 until they beat Hawks.

its dawgs...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Dogs is Madlax. Funny how some hate Cabell so much that they refuse to acknowledge that the #1 (or co-#1 with Hawks) 2023 team in HOCO and possible the country is Madlax. But if it makes you feel better, keep calling it DC Dogs and make it sound like it is not Madlax.

Because of the good players are from club blue. If you call it Madlax everyone will assume the team is lousy since of course it has been for years at 2023.

Oh those Mate Dei kids that should be in High School? Gotcha....Men against boys..... Things will get real for those holdbacks in High School

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh those Mate Dei kids that should be in High School? Gotcha....Men against boys..... Things will get real for those holdbacks in High School

touche

why is that? they all will be driving to practice as freshmen, There just cheaters!!!! but most of them are great kids. Go back to birthdays LIKE ALL OTHE SPORTS. problem solved

Don't get the allure of Blackwolf. Google the guy. Sounds like he should have been a priest in Western PA. Pretty bad for the game that some parents will overlook such things to advance their son's careers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Dogs is Madlax. Funny how some hate Cabell so much that they refuse to acknowledge that the #1 (or co-#1 with Hawks) 2023 team in HOCO and possible the country is Madlax. But if it makes you feel better, keep calling it DC Dogs and make it sound like it is not Madlax.

Interesting theory, this team is good and even made it on ESPN 3 where they were referred to as DC Dogs on the screen and by the announcers. Is it a mass conspiracy by the lacrosse world to call this team DC Dogs just to show hate toward the club owner? HMMM maybe it could be most refer to this team by that name because they call themselves DC Dogs?? They even have a uniform that is unlike any other Madlax team. If they wanted to be referred to as Madlax why the DC dogs with a different uniform and logo? It is a very very good team and I have never met or spoken with Cabell and could care less and do not hate. However, this team is also not a co-#1 until they beat Hawks.

My son is a 2022 and played after the 2023 championship game. Am I not remembering correctly or didn't DC Dawgs lose that game to True? How are they co-#1 with Hawks? Has DC Dawgs ever actually won a tournament?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't get the allure of Blackwolf. Google the guy. Sounds like he should have been a priest in Western PA. Pretty bad for the game that some parents will overlook such things to advance their son's careers.

Do they even have a 2023 team? This is a random attempt to really smear someone hope your facts or correct. If you are concerned stay away but why the public post?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Dogs is Madlax. Funny how some hate Cabell so much that they refuse to acknowledge that the #1 (or co-#1 with Hawks) 2023 team in HOCO and possible the country is Madlax. But if it makes you feel better, keep calling it DC Dogs and make it sound like it is not Madlax.

Lets remember as Club blue they lost the last 3 times to hawks and as DC Dogs they lost again in the summer (that's 4 in a row). So how are they #1. I would still give #1 to the Hawks, you have to beat them to be #1

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't get the allure of Blackwolf. Google the guy. Sounds like he should have been a priest in Western PA. Pretty bad for the game that some parents will overlook such things to advance their son's careers.

Do they even have a 2023 team? This is a random attempt to really smear someone hope your facts or correct. If you are concerned stay away but why the public post?

It is a matter of public record for those who do not want to ignore it. BW parents are either unaware or intentionally and shamefully ignorant.

Dc dawgs won the Millon 2023 national championship against true and lost to true in the NLF championship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't get the allure of Blackwolf. Google the guy. Sounds like he should have been a priest in Western PA. Pretty bad for the game that some parents will overlook such things to advance their son's careers.

Do they even have a 2023 team? This is a random attempt to really smear someone hope your facts or correct. If you are concerned stay away but why the public post?

It is a matter of public record for those who do not want to ignore it. BW parents are either unaware or intentionally and shamefully ignorant.

They are not a factor at this age group why post it here?

Wouldn't surprise me if the Hawks don't even make the playoffs this year. Reason: Zero impact 2022 holdbacks have tried out. If rumors are true about Crabs, DC Dogs, FCA, and others getting an impact holdback or getting several, those teams have a chance to be better. Thems the facts

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wouldn't surprise me if the Hawks don't even make the playoffs this year. Reason: Zero impact 2022 holdbacks have tried out. If rumors are true about Crabs, DC Dogs, FCA, and others getting an impact holdback or getting several, those teams have a chance to be better. Thems the facts

This year there will be more holdbacks than ever. it is an epidemic now and it will not be letting up.

The privates will have their quota of helback Kindergarten kids ( prefirst ) , but now the occasional 8th grade reclass is turning into a flood.

Pretty sad behavior.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Dogs is Madlax. Funny how some hate Cabell so much that they refuse to acknowledge that the #1 (or co-#1 with Hawks) 2023 team in HOCO and possible the country is Madlax. But if it makes you feel better, keep calling it DC Dogs and make it sound like it is not Madlax.

Because of the good players are from club blue. If you call it Madlax everyone will assume the team is lousy since of course it has been for years at 2023.

Oh those Mate Dei kids that should be in High School? Gotcha....Men against boys..... Things will get real for those holdbacks in High School

Mater Dei School showcases all that is wrong with a system that rewards being older and being judged against younger peers. Complete garbage from people who want their children to have an edge over other children.

Hawks did not have many (2-3) hold-backs tryout because the team is pretty much already set. As long as the Hawks keep their big guns healthy they should once again dominate.
Crabs lost their top offensive player.
Sad to see what has become of Looneys Lacrosse Club. More talent then anyone but cannot put it together on the field.
Hold-backs went to FCA (big time) and Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks did not have many (2-3) hold-backs tryout because the team is pretty much already set. As long as the Hawks keep their big guns healthy they should once again dominate.
Crabs lost their top offensive player.
Sad to see what has become of Looneys Lacrosse Club. More talent then anyone but cannot put it together on the field.
Hold-backs went to FCA (big time) and Crabs.

Hawks have the best goalie, pole, LSM, attackman, and Fogo... they will be fine.

Crabs picked up the top 2 attackmen hands down (including the ridiculous T91 MD holdback) as well as one of the top close D players. All played up last year and are not holdbacks (true age appropriate 23’s).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2019 HOCO 2023 could be:

A Div:
Group one: Hawks, FCA, Looney's, Crabs, SR, Cannons
Group two: DC dogs, NL, DCE, 91, Pick 2 from (VLC, Cav, 3d-LF)

B Div:
Group one: (3d, VLC, CAV: pick one), PGLC, PLC, Top Caliber, MadLax, USS Carriers
Group two: API, FCA W, Looney G, Breakers, Koopers, HLC

C Div:
Group one: Zingos, Lax W, Thunder, Rock, East Side, G, Evergreen, HOCO, Green Hornets, GT?
Group Two: Sidewinders, Bethesda O or DCE-B, MD Wolfpack, MDX, Revolution, Fallston

Slow day at work but I think this could be a better alignment for all the teams. Parks and Rec will receive an invoice in the mail for this research.

Lax World folded. Breakers will have 3 teams. 3D should be in B. Koopers should be in C (no upgrade from last year). USS should be in C (got smoked in AA). PGLC should be in B (major drop off last year). Thunder and Rock should should be in B (4 and 3, 3 and 5 in A last year). Will GT even be able to field a team?

So OBVIOUS this is a Breakers kid or parent (probably one cut from Kooper's) with the passive aggressive comments to undercut. Kooper's also went to 3 tournament championships last year. Let's stay somewhat neutral.....Yeah, right! Should be interesting to see how it all plays out. Was Thunder not that strong last year?? Did Green Turtle not get a team together?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs picked up the top 2 attackmen hands down (including the ridiculous T91 MD holdback) as well as one of the top close D players. All played up last year and are not holdbacks (true age appropriate 23’s). They lost a above average player who would definitely not start this year

Your first say the 91 kid is a holdback than say he played up and is not a holdback. So which is it?

Kooper's is holding a supplemental because they cut average players and are having a small group coming to be evaluated but decided to open it to community. It's either have 3 tryouts and cancel 3rd if team is set or have 2 tryouts and add a 3rd if needed. For sure, they will not be in Elite or AA (maybe by tournament season). Somebody had a great HoCo re-division idea in later post. Read up HoCo!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2019 HOCO 2023 could be:

A Div:
Group one: Hawks, FCA, Looney's, Crabs, SR, Cannons
Group two: DC dogs, NL, DCE, 91, Pick 2 from (VLC, Cav, 3d-LF)

B Div:
Group one: (3d, VLC, CAV: pick one), PGLC, PLC, Top Caliber, MadLax, USS Carriers
Group two: API, FCA W, Looney G, Breakers, Koopers, HLC

C Div:
Group one: Zingos, Lax W, Thunder, Rock, East Side, G, Evergreen, HOCO, Green Hornets, GT?
Group Two: Sidewinders, Bethesda O or DCE-B, MD Wolfpack, MDX, Revolution, Fallston

Slow day at work but I think this could be a better alignment for all the teams. Parks and Rec will receive an invoice in the mail for this research.

Lax World folded. Breakers will have 3 teams. 3D should be in B. Koopers should be in C (no upgrade from last year). USS should be in C (got smoked in AA). PGLC should be in B (major drop off last year). Thunder and Rock should should be in B (4 and 3, 3 and 5 in A last year). Will GT even be able to field a team?

So OBVIOUS this is a Breakers kid or parent (probably one cut from Kooper's) with the passive aggressive comments to undercut. Kooper's also went to 3 tournament championships last year. Let's stay somewhat neutral.....Yeah, right! Should be interesting to see how it all plays out. Was Thunder not that strong last year?? Did Green Turtle not get a team together?

3 B tournaments

I think many of the comments come from parens who are sour grapes about being cut or lack of playing time. They also control what teams their sons play on rather than let the kid deciding. I feel bad for some of these kids. Especially, the club hoppers. We had a kid leave our club who is going to his 4th club team and it's at the hands of his parents decision.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs picked up the top 2 attackmen hands down (including the ridiculous T91 MD holdback) as well as one of the top close D players. All played up last year and are not holdbacks (true age appropriate 23’s).

Hawks have best attackman by far. They also have arguably the best lefty attackman. This includes the holdback pickups.
The righty is the best... by a mile. Also have the best goalie and close D.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kooper's is holding a supplemental because they cut average players and are having a small group coming to be evaluated but decided to open it to community. It's either have 3 tryouts and cancel 3rd if team is set or have 2 tryouts and add a 3rd if needed. For sure, they will not be in Elite or AA (maybe by tournament season). Somebody had a great HoCo re-division idea in later post. Read up HoCo!

This team beat Wolfpack, Rockfish, MDX, Fallston, etc in B and did not improve at tryouts. It is an A/B club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs picked up the top 2 attackmen hands down (including the ridiculous T91 MD holdback) as well as one of the top close D players. All played up last year and are not holdbacks (true age appropriate 23’s).

Hawks have best attackman by far. They also have arguably the best lefty attackman. This includes the holdback pickups.
The righty is the best... by a mile. Also have the best goalie and close D.

Clearly you have not seen the kids the Crabs picked up play yet. The hawks better start teaching real defense and get rid of that rec level zone

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs picked up the top 2 attackmen hands down (including the ridiculous T91 MD holdback) as well as one of the top close D players. All played up last year and are not holdbacks (true age appropriate 23’s).

Hawks have best attackman by far. They also have arguably the best lefty attackman. This includes the holdback pickups.
The righty is the best... by a mile. Also have the best goalie and close D.

Clearly you have not seen the kids the Crabs picked up play yet. The hawks better start teaching real defense and get rid of that rec level zone

My post came off like I'm a Hawks supporter. Not the case. I hope you're right and the Hawks don't even make the playoffs. I find them ridiculous because every one of the players mentioned is 15 save for maybe the goalie. Can't say I like the Crabs any better though. Same cheating as the Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs picked up the top 2 attackmen hands down (including the ridiculous T91 MD holdback) as well as one of the top close D players. All played up last year and are not holdbacks (true age appropriate 23’s).

Hawks have best attackman by far. They also have arguably the best lefty attackman. This includes the holdback pickups.
The righty is the best... by a mile. Also have the best goalie and close D.

Clearly you have not seen the kids the Crabs picked up play yet. The hawks better start teaching real defense and get rid of that rec level zone

My post came off like I'm a Hawks supporter. Not the case. I hope you're right and the Hawks don't even make the playoffs. I find them ridiculous because every one of the players mentioned is 15 save for maybe the goalie. Can't say I like the Crabs any better though. Same cheating as the Hawks.

8th grade is all about the Holdbacks ! and that includes prefirst, they are holdbacks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs picked up the top 2 attackmen hands down (including the ridiculous T91 MD holdback) as well as one of the top close D players. All played up last year and are not holdbacks (true age appropriate 23’s).

Hawks have best attackman by far. They also have arguably the best lefty attackman. This includes the holdback pickups.
The righty is the best... by a mile. Also have the best goalie and close D.

Clearly you have not seen the kids the Crabs picked up play yet. The hawks better start teaching real defense and get rid of that rec level zone

My post came off like I'm a Hawks supporter. Not the case. I hope you're right and the Hawks don't even make the playoffs. I find them ridiculous because every one of the players mentioned is 15 save for maybe the goalie. Can't say I like the Crabs any better though. Same cheating as the Hawks.

Saying that the hawks are all 15 year olds over and over might make you feel better, but it doesn't make it any more true than the first time you posted it.

as far as the 'rec level" zone goes, I guess the all the cracker jack elite teams in hoco last year should have brought in some "rec level" player and coaches to beat it. . . surely, that was the answer.

And last I checked, the hawks defense was not the ones scoring an average of 14 plus goals against their opponents last spring. while playing every kid on the roster. Maybe their offense is running "rec league" plays too? so unfair.

as for tryout season, I can guarantee the Hawks roster will be 95% the same as last year. and the year before that.
BUT, now that crabs, FCA, Looneys, flavor of the month club up there have traded, held back, swapped, bribed, whatever, new rosters, maybe Hoco will be more competitive this spring.

as much as is galls the Baltimore lacrosse elite, AA county kids can play lacrosse too. And, guess what? They do it while remaining loyal to their teammates and coaches. Even if they lose a few games this spring, and this board lights up with glee, I wouldn't trade places with you club jumpers and back stabbers ever. boy, it must be miserable playing lacrosse up there.

Did any crabs join the hawks roster?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs picked up the top 2 attackmen hands down (including the ridiculous T91 MD holdback) as well as one of the top close D players. All played up last year and are not holdbacks (true age appropriate 23’s).

Hawks have best attackman by far. They also have arguably the best lefty attackman. This includes the holdback pickups.
The righty is the best... by a mile. Also have the best goalie and close D.

Clearly you have not seen the kids the Crabs picked up play yet. The hawks better start teaching real defense and get rid of that rec level zone

My post came off like I'm a Hawks supporter. Not the case. I hope you're right and the Hawks don't even make the playoffs. I find them ridiculous because every one of the players mentioned is 15 save for maybe the goalie. Can't say I like the Crabs any better though. Same cheating as the Hawks.

Saying that the hawks are all 15 year olds over and over might make you feel better, but it doesn't make it any more true than the first time you posted it.

as far as the 'rec level" zone goes, I guess the all the cracker jack elite teams in hoco last year should have brought in some "rec level" player and coaches to beat it. . . surely, that was the answer.

And last I checked, the hawks defense was not the ones scoring an average of 14 plus goals against their opponents last spring. while playing every kid on the roster. Maybe their offense is running "rec league" plays too? so unfair.

as for tryout season, I can guarantee the Hawks roster will be 95% the same as last year. and the year before that.
BUT, now that crabs, FCA, Looneys, flavor of the month club up there have traded, held back, swapped, bribed, whatever, new rosters, maybe Hoco will be more competitive this spring.

as much as is galls the Baltimore lacrosse elite, AA county kids can play lacrosse too. And, guess what? They do it while remaining loyal to their teammates and coaches. Even if they lose a few games this spring, and this board lights up with glee, I wouldn't trade places with you club jumpers and back stabbers ever. boy, it must be miserable playing lacrosse up there.

I bet this guys kid is going to Spalding. Hahaha.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs picked up the top 2 attackmen hands down (including the ridiculous T91 MD holdback) as well as one of the top close D players. All played up last year and are not holdbacks (true age appropriate 23’s).

Hawks have best attackman by far. They also have arguably the best lefty attackman. This includes the holdback pickups.
The righty is the best... by a mile. Also have the best goalie and close D.

Clearly you have not seen the kids the Crabs picked up play yet. The hawks better start teaching real defense and get rid of that rec level zone

My post came off like I'm a Hawks supporter. Not the case. I hope you're right and the Hawks don't even make the playoffs. I find them ridiculous because every one of the players mentioned is 15 save for maybe the goalie. Can't say I like the Crabs any better though. Same cheating as the Hawks.

Saying that the hawks are all 15 year olds over and over might make you feel better, but it doesn't make it any more true than the first time you posted it.

as far as the 'rec level" zone goes, I guess the all the cracker jack elite teams in hoco last year should have brought in some "rec level" player and coaches to beat it. . . surely, that was the answer.

And last I checked, the hawks defense was not the ones scoring an average of 14 plus goals against their opponents last spring. while playing every kid on the roster. Maybe their offense is running "rec league" plays too? so unfair.

as for tryout season, I can guarantee the Hawks roster will be 95% the same as last year. and the year before that.
BUT, now that crabs, FCA, Looneys, flavor of the month club up there have traded, held back, swapped, bribed, whatever, new rosters, maybe Hoco will be more competitive this spring.

as much as is galls the Baltimore lacrosse elite, AA county kids can play lacrosse too. And, guess what? They do it while remaining loyal to their teammates and coaches. Even if they lose a few games this spring, and this board lights up with glee, I wouldn't trade places with you club jumpers and back stabbers ever. boy, it must be miserable playing lacrosse up there.

The Hawks have had a great team the last few years. Kudos to the kids, coaches and parents.

I just don't think it's reasonable to conclude that their roster stability is the result of some innate loyalty of AA residents. The fact is that AA has one elite level team. The Towson/Northern Baltimore County area (with probably fewer kids to recruit from) has four or so (we can all argue over which teams count, are overrated, etc.). The kids in the Towson area simply have more choices (especially when you include all the next tier teams). That is naturally going to lead to a lot of movement as kids (parents) seek what they think of as the best fit.

That doesn't take away from the Hawks success - they are one of the best club teams (ie, not all star, one-off creations) in the country. But having their parents come on here and snipe about how miserable Baltimore folks must be....well it seems like you're demonstrating the opposite of the attitude you claim to support.

Obviously you have no clue how old these kids are. Ask the parrnts tgey will show you their state Id that most of them carry. Im sure you wont since this whole board is full of cowards.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Obviously you have no clue how old these kids are. Ask the parrnts tgey will show you their state Id that most of them carry. Im sure you wont since this whole board is full of cowards.

Errr....not accosting parents on the sidelines demanding they produce ID for their kids is proof that people are cowards? Interesting. I'd think it was a sign of not being insane.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Obviously you have no clue how old these kids are. Ask the parrnts tgey will show you their state Id that most of them carry. Im sure you wont since this whole board is full of cowards.

Errr....not accosting parents on the sidelines demanding they produce ID for their kids is proof that people are cowards? Interesting. I'd think it was a sign of not being insane.

I might agree with you if those "not insane parents" weren't on the sideline calling kids out by number and making the same old tired comments about driving the team bus, shaving, old enough to drink/vote, etc.

Anyone hear rumors of Hawks fielding two teams? Will they both play in the elite division?

Anyone hear rumors of Hawks fielding two teams? Will they both play in the elite division?

He asked kids that have been there to be "program" players and be cut to a B team but still pay him $2k? If there is a B team, I doubt many of the better kids stay. They tried a B team 2 years ago at that age level and they got killed and even the coaches quit. AYLA will take over as Hawks B in my opinion. Lots of clubs in that area.

Originally Posted by RN Parents

Anyone hear rumors of Hawks fielding two teams? Will they both play in the elite division?

He asked kids that have been there to be "program" players and be cut to a B team but still pay him $2k? If there is a B team, I doubt many of the better kids stay. They tried a B team 2 years ago at that age level and they got killed and even the coaches quit. AYLA will take over as Hawks B in my opinion. Lots of clubs in that area.

Uh oh... trouble in AA County - I thought this was a tight knit team that everyone was loyal to and hardly ever changed their roster? Isn't that what the hawks parents keep saying?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by RN Parents

Anyone hear rumors of Hawks fielding two teams? Will they both play in the elite division?

He asked kids that have been there to be "program" players and be cut to a B team but still pay him $2k? If there is a B team, I doubt many of the better kids stay. They tried a B team 2 years ago at that age level and they got killed and even the coaches quit. AYLA will take over as Hawks B in my opinion. Lots of clubs in that area.

Uh oh... trouble in AA County - I thought this was a tight knit team that everyone was loyal to and hardly ever changed their roster? Isn't that what the hawks parents keep saying?

Truth is very little change at the top this year. Hawks and DC Dogs AKA Madlax DC Dogs are still the top with no much changing in the rosters. How are the other Montgomery Co. teams? Did DCE get much at tryouts? Did NL loose much, both are solid teams. Will N.VA be able to put together a decent team?

Uh oh... trouble in AA County - I thought this was a tight knit team that everyone was loyal to and hardly ever changed their roster? Isn't that what the hawks parents keep saying?

Bay Raiders will shock people in the 1st year.

Hawks cuts flocking to a new nest. No B team cash grab for Hogan at this level. Cut kids that have been on the team for several years.

Sounds like lots of 2023 kids looking. Rec team South River cut a dozen ? AYLC packed at tryouts, API pickling up kids. Why play B and be neglected.

Hawks is just fine. You jealous babies need to find something else to whine about. For real, it’s getting old.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Obviously you have no clue how old these kids are. Ask the parrnts tgey will show you their state Id that most of them carry. Im sure you wont since this whole board is full of cowards.

Errr....not accosting parents on the sidelines demanding they produce ID for their kids is proof that people are cowards? Interesting. I'd think it was a sign of not being insane.

I might agree with you if those "not insane parents" weren't on the sideline calling kids out by number and making the same old tired comments about driving the team bus, shaving, old enough to drink/vote, etc.

Well, if the car keys fit the car and they drive away with a full beard and a six pack next to them, whats the issue?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Obviously you have no clue how old these kids are. Ask the parrnts tgey will show you their state Id that most of them carry. Im sure you wont since this whole board is full of cowards.

Errr....not accosting parents on the sidelines demanding they produce ID for their kids is proof that people are cowards? Interesting. I'd think it was a sign of not being insane.

I might agree with you if those "not insane parents" weren't on the sideline calling kids out by number and making the same old tired comments about driving the team bus, shaving, old enough to drink/vote, etc.

Well, if the car keys fit the car and they drive away with a full beard and a six pack next to them, whats the issue?

Are we talking about Crabs, Hawks, Looneys or FCA? I’m confused because there are holdbacks, rednecks and daddy coaches on all of those teams?

Rednecks on FCA? All country club privileged elites who are buddies with dad coaches and of course have holdback children but no rednecks. Loonwys has the RN market covered.

So who picked up the 2022 hawks goalie ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rednecks on FCA? All country club privileged elites who are buddies with dad coaches and of course have holdback children but no rednecks. Loonwys has the RN market covered.

I do not correlate the word “elite” with FCA. Every team has holdbacks and yes RN’s...even FCA. Point is you cannot call out one team for holdbacks or dad coaches when every team has them! Name one...just one team that doesn’t have either a dad coach or a holdback? Most have both and that’s the way it is with all teams. The only difference is some teams have much better players and coaches and most of the good players are not the holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2019 HOCO 2023 could be:

A Div:
Group one: Hawks, FCA, Looney's, Crabs, SR, Cannons
Group two: DC dogs, NL, DCE, 91, Pick 2 from (VLC, Cav, 3d-LF)

B Div:
Group one: (3d, VLC, CAV: pick one), PGLC, PLC, Top Caliber, MadLax, USS Carriers
Group two: API, FCA W, Looney G, Breakers, Koopers, HLC

C Div:
Group one: Zingos, Lax W, Thunder, Rock, East Side, G, Evergreen, HOCO, Green Hornets, GT?
Group Two: Sidewinders, Bethesda O or DCE-B, MD Wolfpack, MDX, Revolution, Fallston

Slow day at work but I think this could be a better alignment for all the teams. Parks and Rec will receive an invoice in the mail for this research.

Zingos will be much much better. very underrated with one of the best defense coaches on the planet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rednecks on FCA? All country club privileged elites who are buddies with dad coaches and of course have holdback children but no rednecks. Loonwys has the RN market covered.

I do not correlate the word “elite” with FCA. Every team has holdbacks and yes RN’s...even FCA. Point is you cannot call out one team for holdbacks or dad coaches when every team has them! Name one...just one team that doesn’t have either a dad coach or a holdback? Most have both and that’s the way it is with all teams. The only difference is some teams have much better players and coaches and most of the good players are not the holdbacks.

Hawks and MLDCD are the best teams at this age but who are the best teams that are truly on age. Only one local team in HOCO that played at the WSYL and that was NL. There are teams that have rosters of kids with birthday's after 9/30/2004 that play in HOCO. Who is the best of those teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rednecks on FCA? All country club privileged elites who are buddies with dad coaches and of course have holdback children but no rednecks. Loonwys has the RN market covered.

I do not correlate the word “elite” with FCA. Every team has holdbacks and yes RN’s...even FCA. Point is you cannot call out one team for holdbacks or dad coaches when every team has them! Name one...just one team that doesn’t have either a dad coach or a holdback? Most have both and that’s the way it is with all teams. The only difference is some teams have much better players and coaches and most of the good players are not the holdbacks.

Hawks and MLDCD are the best teams at this age but who are the best teams that are truly on age. Only one local team in HOCO that played at the WSYL and that was NL. There are teams that have rosters of kids with birthday's after 9/30/2004 that play in HOCO. Who is the best of those teams?

Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2019 HOCO 2023 could be:

A Div:
Group one: Hawks, FCA, Looney's, Crabs, SR, Cannons
Group two: DC dogs, NL, DCE, 91, Pick 2 from (VLC, Cav, 3d-LF)

SR or Team 91 over VLC? VLC won the AA league and beat 91 by 8 goals or something. Unless Millon hoodwinks HoCo again, Team 91 belongs in AA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rednecks on FCA? All country club privileged elites who are buddies with dad coaches and of course have holdback children but no rednecks. Loonwys has the RN market covered.

I do not correlate the word “elite” with FCA. Every team has holdbacks and yes RN’s...even FCA. Point is you cannot call out one team for holdbacks or dad coaches when every team has them! Name one...just one team that doesn’t have either a dad coach or a holdback? Most have both and that’s the way it is with all teams. The only difference is some teams have much better players and coaches and most of the good players are not the holdbacks.

Hawks and MLDCD are the best teams at this age but who are the best teams that are truly on age. Only one local team in HOCO that played at the WSYL and that was NL. There are teams that have rosters of kids with birthday's after 9/30/2004 that play in HOCO. Who is the best of those teams?

Who cares

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2019 HOCO 2023 could be:

A Div:
Group one: Hawks, FCA, Looney's, Crabs, SR, Cannons
Group two: DC dogs, NL, DCE, 91, Pick 2 from (VLC, Cav, 3d-LF)

SR or Team 91 over VLC? VLC won the AA league and beat 91 by 8 goals or something. Unless Millon hoodwinks HoCo again, Team 91 belongs in AA.

I posted the original idea of the re-set of HOCO league. My son plays on an Elite team and I like the idea of playing a greater variety of teams. I think the league could support 3 -12 team division with groups that would still ensure the top teams make the playoffs. Also 91 does not want to loose all the games again. I agree that VLC should be the first team added in the "A" div under what I posted based on winning AA maybe USS moves to middle or lower and Zingo's can be whatever. The point is that three divisions is better for all teams. Some teams seem to always play each other. sometimes twice in the same tournament. A 12 team division makes more sense. In the end the same two teams would play for the trophy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2019 HOCO 2023 could be:

A Div:
Group one: Hawks, FCA, Looney's, Crabs, SR, Cannons
Group two: DC dogs, NL, DCE, 91, Pick 2 from (VLC, Cav, 3d-LF)

B Div:
Group one: (3d, VLC, CAV: pick one), PGLC, PLC, Top Caliber, MadLax, USS Carriers
Group two: API, FCA W, Looney G, Breakers, Koopers, HLC

C Div:
Group one: Zingos, Lax W, Thunder, Rock, East Side, G, Evergreen, HOCO, Green Hornets, GT?
Group Two: Sidewinders, Bethesda O or DCE-B, MD Wolfpack, MDX, Revolution, Fallston

Slow day at work but I think this could be a better alignment for all the teams. Parks and Rec will receive an invoice in the mail for this research.

Zingos will be much much better. very underrated with one of the best defense coaches on the planet.

How does one acquire that title

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2019 HOCO 2023 could be:

A Div:
Group one: Hawks, FCA, Looney's, Crabs, SR, Cannons
Group two: DC dogs, NL, DCE, 91, Pick 2 from (VLC, Cav, 3d-LF)

B Div:
Group one: (3d, VLC, CAV: pick one), PGLC, PLC, Top Caliber, MadLax, USS Carriers
Group two: API, FCA W, Looney G, Breakers, Koopers, HLC

C Div:
Group one: Zingos, Lax W, Thunder, Rock, East Side, G, Evergreen, HOCO, Green Hornets, GT?
Group Two: Sidewinders, Bethesda O or DCE-B, MD Wolfpack, MDX, Revolution, Fallston

Slow day at work but I think this could be a better alignment for all the teams. Parks and Rec will receive an invoice in the mail for this research.

Zingos will be much much better. very underrated with one of the best defense coaches on the planet.

You might want to go back and look at your goals against coach. And then settle down

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zingos will be much much better. very underrated with one of the best defense coaches on the planet.

How does one acquire that title

Most who think they are the best love to elaborate. Give him a second, and I am sure he will write a novel explaining.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zingos will be much much better. very underrated with one of the best defense coaches on the planet.

How does one acquire that title

Most who think they are the best love to elaborate. Give him a second, and I am sure he will write a novel explaining.

Both jealous I see! Cream rises to the top. Its called nature

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2019 HOCO 2023 could be:

A Div:
Group one: Hawks, FCA, Looney's, Crabs, SR, Cannons
Group two: DC dogs, NL, DCE, 91, Pick 2 from (VLC, Cav, 3d-LF)

SR or Team 91 over VLC? VLC won the AA league and beat 91 by 8 goals or something. Unless Millon hoodwinks HoCo again, Team 91 belongs in AA.

How did VLC do in its summer tournaments against AA Elite type talent? Oh yeah, that's right. Might want to stay in AA. None of SR, Cannons, VLC, Cav or 3d belong in AA Elite, but if any of you want to get your heads beat in, go ahead and petition for AA Elite for the spring.

New goalie for 2023 Hawks...just as good as stud goalie some say better. The rich get richer!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zingos will be much much better. very underrated with one of the best defense coaches on the planet.

How does one acquire that title

Most who think they are the best love to elaborate. Give him a second, and I am sure he will write a novel explaining.

Both jealous I see! Cream rises to the top. Its called nature

You are delusional and your B/C team is irrelevant. It’s nice to dream big though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zingos will be much much better. very underrated with one of the best defense coaches on the planet.

How does one acquire that title

Most who think they are the best love to elaborate. Give him a second, and I am sure he will write a novel explaining.

Both jealous I see! Cream rises to the top. Its called nature

Zingos are like a rec team at this level. They are underrated because they played in the 3rd division of HoCo. Who is the new defensive coach? The guy from last year was a clown.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zingos will be much much better. very underrated with one of the best defense coaches on the planet.

How does one acquire that title

Most who think they are the best love to elaborate. Give him a second, and I am sure he will write a novel explaining.

Both jealous I see! Cream rises to the top. Its called nature

Zingos are like a rec team at this level. They are underrated because they played in the 3rd division of HoCo. Who is the new defensive coach? The guy from last year was a clown.

That clown lost it every time the defense got scored on, which was a lot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zingos will be much much better. very underrated with one of the best defense coaches on the planet.

How does one acquire that title

Most who think they are the best love to elaborate. Give him a second, and I am sure he will write a novel explaining.

Both jealous I see! Cream rises to the top. Its called nature

Zingos are like a rec team at this level. They are underrated because they played in the 3rd division of HoCo. Who is the new defensive coach? The guy from last year was a clown.

That clown lost it every time the defense got scored on, which was a lot.

Somebodies eyes are GREEN with ENVY !!

How many of these posts are from opposing coaches trying to boost their clubs?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zingos will be much much better. very underrated with one of the best defense coaches on the planet.

How does one acquire that title

Most who think they are the best love to elaborate. Give him a second, and I am sure he will write a novel explaining.

Both jealous I see! Cream rises to the top. Its called nature

Zingos are like a rec team at this level. They are underrated because they played in the 3rd division of HoCo. Who is the new defensive coach? The guy from last year was a clown.

That clown lost it every time the defense got scored on, which was a lot.

Somebodies eyes are GREEN with ENVY !!

You’re funny, I will give you that.

if hawks and DC dogs want to recruit add hold backs cheaters let them play each other every week. why should HOCO carter to them. Add more division so every team plays each other in there division. Six teams play everyone once then playoffs. double elimination tournament

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zingos will be much much better. very underrated with one of the best defense coaches on the planet.

How does one acquire that title

Most who think they are the best love to elaborate. Give him a second, and I am sure he will write a novel explaining.

Both jealous I see! Cream rises to the top. Its called nature

Zingos are like a rec team at this level. They are underrated because they played in the 3rd division of HoCo. Who is the new defensive coach? The guy from last year was a clown.

That clown lost it every time the defense got scored on, which was a lot.

Somebodies eyes are GREEN with ENVY !!

Zingos - the Evergreen of Maryland.

Originally Posted by Probably a holdback himself

if hawks and DC dogs want to recruit add hold backs cheaters let them play each other every week. why should HOCO carter to them. Add more division so every team plays each other in there division. Six teams play everyone once then playoffs. double elimination tournament

Please do us all a favor and go back to school...

This just in:

August 21, 2018 by Edward Lee Contact Reporter Baltimore Sun:

The Johns Hopkins men's lacrosse team is a surprise announcement informed the media the head coach Dave Pietramala is leaving the Hopkins program to coach the Zingo's 2023 team. "It has always been a dream of mine to capture a HOCO league title." The often emotional coach struggled to keep it together after sharing the news with players this morning. The often labeled "best defensive coach on the planet" will be reclassing two top 2022 players along with some current Blue Jay's in an effort to make a claim to belong in the Elite division.
According to ESPN lacrosse analyst Quint Kessenich, this could be a lucrative deal for coach Petro as he understands team fees in excess of $20000.00 per player will be waived for children of coaches. "Although the team fee may seem excessive it is only a 10% increase and includes a great gear package." from Zingo management. ESPN and the Baltimore Sun reached out to form Hopkins great Paul Rabil for comment, "What the heck is a Zingo?"
Editor's note: adding one zero to the current 2000.00 team fee is not a 10% increase.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This just in:

August 21, 2018 by Edward Lee Contact Reporter Baltimore Sun:

The Johns Hopkins men's lacrosse team is a surprise announcement informed the media the head coach Dave Pietramala is leaving the Hopkins program to coach the Zingo's 2023 team. "It has always been a dream of mine to capture a HOCO league title." The often emotional coach struggled to keep it together after sharing the news with players this morning. The often labeled "best defensive coach on the planet" will be reclassing two top 2022 players along with some current Blue Jay's in an effort to make a claim to belong in the Elite division.
According to ESPN lacrosse analyst Quint Kessenich, this could be a lucrative deal for coach Petro as he understands team fees in excess of $20000.00 per player will be waived for children of coaches. "Although the team fee may seem excessive it is only a 10% increase and includes a great gear package." from Zingo management. ESPN and the Baltimore Sun reached out to form Hopkins great Paul Rabil for comment, "What the heck is a Zingo?"
Editor's note: adding one zero to the current 2000.00 team fee is not a 10% increase.

I bet his first order of business will firing the best defense coach on the planet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This just in:

August 21, 2018 by Edward Lee Contact Reporter Baltimore Sun:

The Johns Hopkins men's lacrosse team is a surprise announcement informed the media the head coach Dave Pietramala is leaving the Hopkins program to coach the Zingo's 2023 team. "It has always been a dream of mine to capture a HOCO league title." The often emotional coach struggled to keep it together after sharing the news with players this morning. The often labeled "best defensive coach on the planet" will be reclassing two top 2022 players along with some current Blue Jay's in an effort to make a claim to belong in the Elite division.
According to ESPN lacrosse analyst Quint Kessenich, this could be a lucrative deal for coach Petro as he understands team fees in excess of $20000.00 per player will be waived for children of coaches. "Although the team fee may seem excessive it is only a 10% increase and includes a great gear package." from Zingo management. ESPN and the Baltimore Sun reached out to form Hopkins great Paul Rabil for comment, "What the heck is a Zingo?"
Editor's note: adding one zero to the current 2000.00 team fee is not a 10% increase.

Funny stuff. But I thought he had already committed to coaching Koopers 2023 ? Club lacrosse is finally getting the coaches needed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

if hawks and DC dogs want to recruit add hold backs cheaters let them play each other every week. why should HOCO carter to them. Add more division so every team plays each other in there division. Six teams play everyone once then playoffs. double elimination tournament

?????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]This just in:

August 21, 2018 by Edward Lee Contact Reporter Baltimore Sun:

The Johns Hopkins men's lacrosse team is a surprise announcement informed the media the head coach Dave Pietramala is leaving the Hopkins program to coach the Zingo's 2023 team.

Funny stuff. But I thought he had already committed to coaching Koopers 2023 ? Club lacrosse is finally getting the coaches needed

Nope. All dad coaches on that team.

No way!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]This just in:

August 21, 2018 by Edward Lee Contact Reporter Baltimore Sun:

The Johns Hopkins men's lacrosse team is a surprise announcement informed the media the head coach Dave Pietramala is leaving the Hopkins program to coach the Zingo's 2023 team.

Funny stuff. But I thought he had already committed to coaching Koopers 2023 ? Club lacrosse is finally getting the coaches needed

Nope. All dad coaches on that team.

Doesn't his son play for Koopers?

From where?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 2023 getting a new goalie

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 2023 getting a new goalie

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 2023 getting a new goalie

Hawks 2023 getting a new goalie [/quote]

we will see, isn't that what tryouts are for[/quote]

Is the 2023 goalie that played on Hawks 2022 dropping down to play with Hawks or going elsewhere?
[/quote]
This is very sad both goalie dad's posting to try to get the other goalie not to attend a tryout or something. You both must know each other but posting about rising 8th graders? I hope future college coaches know that they are getting crazy parents which only hurts the recruiting chances with some coaches. [/quote]

I was at tryouts and saw a DC Express kid at goalie and he was a stud. Better than the other two!!! [/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 2023 getting a new goalie

we will see, isn't that what tryouts are for[/quote]

Is the 2023 goalie that played on Hawks 2022 dropping down to play with Hawks or going elsewhere?
[/quote]
This is very sad both goalie dad's posting to try to get the other goalie not to attend a tryout or something. You both must know each other but posting about rising 8th graders? I hope future college coaches know that they are getting crazy parents which only hurts the recruiting chances with some coaches. [/quote]

I was at tryouts and saw a DC Express kid at goalie and he was a stud. Better than the other two!!! [/quote][/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 2023 getting a new goalie

we will see, isn't that what tryouts are for[/quote]

Is the 2023 goalie that played on Hawks 2022 dropping down to play with Hawks or going elsewhere?
[/quote]
This is very sad both goalie dad's posting to try to get the other goalie not to attend a tryout or something. You both must know each other but posting about rising 8th graders? I hope future college coaches know that they are getting crazy parents which only hurts the recruiting chances with some coaches. [/quote]

I was at tryouts and saw a DC Express kid at goalie and he was a stud. Better than the other two!!! [/quote][/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 2023 getting a new goalie

we will see, isn't that what tryouts are for[/quote]

Is the 2023 goalie that played on Hawks 2022 dropping down to play with Hawks or going elsewhere?
[/quote]
This is very sad both goalie dad's posting to try to get the other goalie not to attend a tryout or something. You both must know each other but posting about rising 8th graders? I hope future college coaches know that they are getting crazy parents which only hurts the recruiting chances with some coaches. [/quote]

I was at tryouts and saw a DC Express kid at goalie and he was a stud. Better than the other two!!! [/quote][/quote]

There was actually 4 goalies at tryouts. Their regular starter was by far the best followef by the second string goalie. The DC united holdback I believe made the team also. Not the goalie dad or a Hawks parent as my son didnt make the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 2023 getting a new goalie

we will see, isn't that what tryouts are for[/quote]

Is the 2023 goalie that played on Hawks 2022 dropping down to play with Hawks or going elsewhere?
[/quote]
This is very sad both goalie dad's posting to try to get the other goalie not to attend a tryout or something. You both must know each other but posting about rising 8th graders? I hope future college coaches know that they are getting crazy parents which only hurts the recruiting chances with some coaches. [/quote]

I was at tryouts and saw a DC Express kid at goalie and he was a stud. Better than the other two!!! [/quote][/quote]

Any DCE helmet at a 2023 tryout is reclassing. DCE teams begin at 8th grade. Clearly any DCE helmet wasn't good enough to stay on age.

What’s a recommended A/B club for this grade in the Towson/Baltimore area? Looking for stability, development, and, for next year, high school program. Son will start/play a lot. New to the area and need to choose.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s a recommended A/B club for this grade in the Towson/Baltimore area? Looking for stability, development, and, for next year, high school program. Son will start/play a lot. New to the area and need to choose.

Read the comments prior to yours. There are NONE. Pick any of supposed Top teams and ALL are messed up in one way or another. If your son is a starter..It doesnt really matter. Crabs, FCA, seem to be near top with tons of holdbacks going into MIAA schools, If you are a public school boy then any of rest will do, You have Looneys, Team 91 New and improved with MM watching over LOL, Breakers.
All practice near Towson.

Good luck in your quest to find a stable developmental team. No one has found one yet!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s a recommended A/B club for this grade in the Towson/Baltimore area? Looking for stability, development, and, for next year, high school program. Son will start/play a lot. New to the area and need to choose.

The "elite" teams have all concluded tryouts and their rosters are set. Unless you (1) know someone or (2) your son is the second coming (and you also know someone), those clubs aren't an option.

Even most of the A/B teams in the area have also finished tryouts, but I would guess that they are more likely to let your son come out over the Fall and guest for a tournament and evaluate him then for next Spring. The two I'm most familiar with (although my son plays for neither):

(1) Rock -- The 2023 team has had a lot of turnover the last few years. There is a new young coach, Mike Marshner who will be taking over as the head coach (he was an assistant the last two years). The prior coach, Ricky Matthews, will still be around, but is coaching the 2024 team. Likely the 2023s will play some games/tournaments with 2024s. The program itself is focused on player development, but don't expect to win a lot of games. Rock continues (at least for now) to have a pretty solid high school recruiting program. They will often combine their Baltimore and PA teams for recruiting events. Contact: Kevin Mayer coachmayer@rocklacrosse.net

(2) Koopers -- The 2023 team played B last year and was pretty successful. I believe they lost a few of their players (FO kid?) but, at least prior to tryouts, were planning on moving up to play A level. The program is well run and stable. I don't know much about the 2023 coaches, but the program is pretty excited about bringing in Hopkins coach, Dave Pietramala, as their Coaches Coach. The program director, Ron Klausner, is very connected and is a great resource. I can almost guarantee he'd be happy to speak with you. The email I have is: ronklausner@kooperslacrosse.com If that doesn't work, there is a contact link on their website: https://www.kooperslacrosse.com/home

Good luck to your son.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s a recommended A/B club for this grade in the Towson/Baltimore area? Looking for stability, development, and, for next year, high school program. Son will start/play a lot. New to the area and need to choose.

The "elite" teams have all concluded tryouts and their rosters are set. Unless you (1) know someone or (2) your son is the second coming (and you also know someone), those clubs aren't an option.

Even most of the A/B teams in the area have also finished tryouts, but I would guess that they are more likely to let your son come out over the Fall and guest for a tournament and evaluate him then for next Spring. The two I'm most familiar with (although my son plays for neither):

(1) Rock -- The 2023 team has had a lot of turnover the last few years. There is a new young coach, Mike Marshner who will be taking over as the head coach (he was an assistant the last two years). The prior coach, Ricky Matthews, will still be around, but is coaching the 2024 team. Likely the 2023s will play some games/tournaments with 2024s. The program itself is focused on player development, but don't expect to win a lot of games. Rock continues (at least for now) to have a pretty solid high school recruiting program. They will often combine their Baltimore and PA teams for recruiting events. Contact: Kevin Mayer coachmayer@rocklacrosse.net

(2) Koopers -- The 2023 team played B last year and was pretty successful. I believe they lost a few of their players (FO kid?) but, at least prior to tryouts, were planning on moving up to play A level. The program is well run and stable. I don't know much about the 2023 coaches, but the program is pretty excited about bringing in Hopkins coach, Dave Pietramala, as their Coaches Coach. The program director, Ron Klausner, is very connected and is a great resource. I can almost guarantee he'd be happy to speak with you. The email I have is: ronklausner@kooperslacrosse.com If that doesn't work, there is a contact link on their website: https://www.kooperslacrosse.com/home

Good luck to your son.

Thanks. This is helpful. How do Breakers, Green Turtle and True Wolfpack compare with the two you mention?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s a recommended A/B club for this grade in the Towson/Baltimore area? Looking for stability, development, and, for next year, high school program. Son will start/play a lot. New to the area and need to choose.

The "elite" teams have all concluded tryouts and their rosters are set. Unless you (1) know someone or (2) your son is the second coming (and you also know someone), those clubs aren't an option.

Even most of the A/B teams in the area have also finished tryouts, but I would guess that they are more likely to let your son come out over the Fall and guest for a tournament and evaluate him then for next Spring. The two I'm most familiar with (although my son plays for neither):

(1) Rock -- The 2023 team has had a lot of turnover the last few years. There is a new young coach, Mike Marshner who will be taking over as the head coach (he was an assistant the last two years). The prior coach, Ricky Matthews, will still be around, but is coaching the 2024 team. Likely the 2023s will play some games/tournaments with 2024s. The program itself is focused on player development, but don't expect to win a lot of games. Rock continues (at least for now) to have a pretty solid high school recruiting program. They will often combine their Baltimore and PA teams for recruiting events. Contact: Kevin Mayer coachmayer@rocklacrosse.net

(2) Koopers -- The 2023 team played B last year and was pretty successful. I believe they lost a few of their players (FO kid?) but, at least prior to tryouts, were planning on moving up to play A level. The program is well run and stable. I don't know much about the 2023 coaches, but the program is pretty excited about bringing in Hopkins coach, Dave Pietramala, as their Coaches Coach. The program director, Ron Klausner, is very connected and is a great resource. I can almost guarantee he'd be happy to speak with you. The email I have is: ronklausner@kooperslacrosse.com If that doesn't work, there is a contact link on their website: https://www.kooperslacrosse.com/home

Good luck to your son.

Thanks. This is helpful. How do Breakers, Green Turtle and True Wolfpack compare with the two you mention?

First, you can cross Rock off the list. I just heard that Rock has folded its 2023 team. :0

I'm not that familiar with Breakers, Greene Turtle and Wolfpack. I do know that Breakers sends me emails constantly.

And Greene Turtle 2023 is what used to be Lax World. That Lax World team had some good players, but I was never impressed with their player development - the team often seemed to run on just letting a few athletic/talented players freelance. But that's an outsiders view, and with them coming under Greene Turtle, things might be different.

Do you know for certain that the Koopers FO kid left? What other players left?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you know for certain that the Koopers FO kid left? What other players left?

Best defender

It's been a terrible tryout year......kids are going from hero to zero because holdback and pre-first kids are obviously more sought out after than kids that quite frankly have not hit puberty yet....Really annoyed by this whole process...Talented kids loosing their spot to a kid that should be in High School and in some cases can drive to 8th grade lacrosse practice.... They system is so jacked....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's been a terrible tryout year......kids are going from hero to zero because holdback and pre-first kids are obviously more sought out after than kids that quite frankly have not hit puberty yet....Really annoyed by this whole process...Talented kids loosing their spot to a kid that should be in High School and in some cases can drive to 8th grade lacrosse practice.... They system is so jacked....

Don't fight the system. Have your kid show up at the 2024 tryouts

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you know for certain that the Koopers FO kid left? What other players left?

I heard he tried out for FCA and Crabs and didn’t make it so ended up at Looney’s. Should help out that team win more FOs then they did last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you know for certain that the Koopers FO kid left? What other players left?

I heard he tried out for FCA and Crabs and didn’t make it so ended up at Looney’s. Should help out that team win more FOs then they did last year.

Looneys Orange? What about the 2 they had?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's been a terrible tryout year......kids are going from hero to zero because holdback and pre-first kids are obviously more sought out after than kids that quite frankly have not hit puberty yet....Really annoyed by this whole process...Talented kids loosing their spot to a kid that should be in High School and in some cases can drive to 8th grade lacrosse practice.... They system is so jacked....

That's my son , always the smallest but talented. It is at a point that he does not want to play this year., The whole youth lax scene is sickening.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's been a terrible tryout year......kids are going from hero to zero because holdback and pre-first kids are obviously more sought out after than kids that quite frankly have not hit puberty yet....Really annoyed by this whole process...Talented kids loosing their spot to a kid that should be in High School and in some cases can drive to 8th grade lacrosse practice.... They system is so jacked....

That's my son , always the smallest but talented. It is at a point that he does not want to play this year., The whole youth lax scene is sickening.

That would be a mistake - assuming he still loves playing the game. Make it clear to him that being on "x" team when he's 13 years old isn't the deciding factor in his [lacrosse] life.

If it helps, remind him that Paul Rabil didn't even START playing lacrosse until he was 12.

There are a lot of teams out there that would love to have a talented kid. If he loves the game and keeps working, in a few years all the holdback kids will no longer have the age/size advantage and your son will be able to play on an even field.

Teams have 5-7 holdbacks at most. Stop crying that they are taking over your team. There are still 15 or more spots filled by on age kids. If your son didn't make it it probably means he didn't belong on that team. There are so many options out there and there is a place for everyone. But if your son didn't make Crabs or FCA it's not because all the holdbacks forced him out. Things change. In a year your son may be the one that pushes someone else off the roster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Teams have 5-7 holdbacks at most. Stop crying that they are taking over your team. There are still 15 or more spots filled by on age kids. If your son didn't make it it probably means he didn't belong on that team. There are so many options out there and there is a place for everyone. But if your son didn't make Crabs or FCA it's not because all the holdbacks forced him out. Things change. In a year your son may be the one that pushes someone else off the roster.

So, it's only a 1/4 of the team? That's A LOT.

- Someone not crying. Parent who is happy son is on his first choice team with several of his good friends.

No more early recruiting has neutered the advantage that holdback kids used to have on the on age kids. All of these kids will be on an even playing field in 12-15 months, and will have plenty of time to showcase their skills to college coaches. This is also the time that a lot of these kids will crush Dad’s lacrosse dreams for their son when they decide they want to concentrate on football, soccer, wrestling or whatever sport they find more joy in playing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's been a terrible tryout year......kids are going from hero to zero because holdback and pre-first kids are obviously more sought out after than kids that quite frankly have not hit puberty yet....Really annoyed by this whole process...Talented kids loosing their spot to a kid that should be in High School and in some cases can drive to 8th grade lacrosse practice.... They system is so jacked....

That's my son , always the smallest but talented. It is at a point that he does not want to play this year., The whole youth lax scene is sickening.

That would be a mistake - assuming he still loves playing the game. Make it clear to him that being on "x" team when he's 13 years old isn't the deciding factor in his [lacrosse] life.

If it helps, remind him that Paul Rabil didn't even START playing lacrosse until he was 12.

There are a lot of teams out there that would love to have a talented kid. If he loves the game and keeps working, in a few years all the holdback kids will no longer have the age/size advantage and your son will be able to play on an even field.

Considering not playing at all this year so he can train and work with coaches away from the madness and stupidity of club lacrosse.... High School lacrosse and another year of growth will help him to bypass these holdback kids that get a pass because they are bigger and stronger... Not necessarily better lacrosse players

Quote: "Considering not playing at all this year so he can train and work with coaches away from the madness and stupidity of club lacrosse.... High School lacrosse and another year of growth will help him to bypass these holdback kids that get a pass because they are bigger and stronger... Not necessarily better lacrosse players"

Keeping him out of club and just training may not necessarily resolve the issue favorably. My son is small so we're dealing with it too. And I am no fan of the holdbacks at either delayed kindergarten entry, prefirst or 8th. But some of the kids "that get a pass because they are bigger and stronger" are not holdbacks. Just bigger kids who hit puberty earlier than your son or mine. It's the genetic lottery & some kids grow earlier than others and are on age. That isn't going to necessarily change in 9th grade. You just have to keep him playing - at any level - and training until that growth spurt happens.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's been a terrible tryout year......kids are going from hero to zero because holdback and pre-first kids are obviously more sought out after than kids that quite frankly have not hit puberty yet....Really annoyed by this whole process...Talented kids loosing their spot to a kid that should be in High School and in some cases can drive to 8th grade lacrosse practice.... They system is so jacked....

That's my son , always the smallest but talented. It is at a point that he does not want to play this year., The whole youth lax scene is sickening.

That would be a mistake - assuming he still loves playing the game. Make it clear to him that being on "x" team when he's 13 years old isn't the deciding factor in his [lacrosse] life.

If it helps, remind him that Paul Rabil didn't even START playing lacrosse until he was 12.

There are a lot of teams out there that would love to have a talented kid. If he loves the game and keeps working, in a few years all the holdback kids will no longer have the age/size advantage and your son will be able to play on an even field.

Considering not playing at all this year so he can train and work with coaches away from the madness and stupidity of club lacrosse.... High School lacrosse and another year of growth will help him to bypass these holdback kids that get a pass because they are bigger and stronger... Not necessarily better lacrosse players

It sounds like your post in sincere. There is a ton of trash talk in these posts and if you are looking for honest advice from anonymous people I will try my best. You can take or leave this advice. I would really speak with my son about playing on a TEAM this year. I started in 8th grade and played on a D1 program. It was a different era and that my not be relevant to today. However the point I want to make it this: Lacrosse is a fun team sport. There is a team for every kid. I have watched different levels and this is true. If you are considering personal training with coaches for your son, ask yourself this: is that fun? is it more fun that games? What kid wants to train and work hard for the season after next? In my opinion kids brains do not see that far into the future. Why prepare for HS before you start 8th grade? Private coaching can be good but you can only get better playing lacrosse and games are fun. I would work to find a team that he fits in and remember that the team is what it is all about or at least was for me and is for my son.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Teams have 5-7 holdbacks at most. Stop crying that they are taking over your team. There are still 15 or more spots filled by on age kids. If your son didn't make it it probably means he didn't belong on that team. There are so many options out there and there is a place for everyone. But if your son didn't make Crabs or FCA it's not because all the holdbacks forced him out. Things change. In a year your son may be the one that pushes someone else off the roster.

Holdback apologist. It is usually a few more on supposed top teams. But that means these kids gaming the system have taken 5-10 spots that should be taken by on age players. thats 25% to 50% of team players. Pretty sorry state for youth lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It sounds like your post in sincere. There is a ton of trash talk in these posts and if you are looking for honest advice from anonymous people I will try my best. You can take or leave this advice. I would really speak with my son about playing on a TEAM this year. I started in 8th grade and played on a D1 program. It was a different era and that my not be relevant to today. However the point I want to make it this: Lacrosse is a fun team sport. There is a team for every kid. I have watched different levels and this is true. If you are considering personal training with coaches for your son, ask yourself this: is that fun? is it more fun that games? What kid wants to train and work hard for the season after next? In my opinion kids brains do not see that far into the future. Why prepare for HS before you start 8th grade? Private coaching can be good but you can only get better playing lacrosse and games are fun. I would work to find a team that he fits in and remember that the team is what it is all about or at least was for me and is for my son.

Great post.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's been a terrible tryout year......kids are going from hero to zero because holdback and pre-first kids are obviously more sought out after than kids that quite frankly have not hit puberty yet....Really annoyed by this whole process...Talented kids loosing their spot to a kid that should be in High School and in some cases can drive to 8th grade lacrosse practice.... They system is so jacked....

That's my son , always the smallest but talented. It is at a point that he does not want to play this year., The whole youth lax scene is sickening.

That’s all excuses. Maybe you kids are not that good. Every heard of Joey Sankey ? What is he 5’5” maybe? Elite lacrosse is for not everyone. My son plays on a elite 2022 team. Always one of the smallest kids on the team but plays like he is one of the biggest on the field. He loves playing against older bigger kids. They cannot cover him. His older brother is 2020 player twice as big but half the player.. Lax IQ speed quickness stick skills and heart. You have that you can play at any level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Teams have 5-7 holdbacks at most. Stop crying that they are taking over your team. There are still 15 or more spots filled by on age kids. If your son didn't make it it probably means he didn't belong on that team. There are so many options out there and there is a place for everyone. But if your son didn't make Crabs or FCA it's not because all the holdbacks forced him out. Things change. In a year your son may be the one that pushes someone else off the roster.

Holdback apologist. It is usually a few more on supposed top teams. But that means these kids gaming the system have taken 5-10 spots that should be taken by on age players. thats 25% to 50% of team players. Pretty sorry state for youth lacrosse.

Just hold your dwarf's back already or send them to the cathedral all boys choir, but PLEASE stop posting the same old tear in my beer, any excuse to give up and blame someone else for my troubles crap here day after day.

You live in a hot bed for Lacrosse and your kid got launched because they wanted someone else. It's happened to the best so who are you??

Go somewhere else to play or if your kid is as great as you say....put him on a level playing ground physically and mentally with all these Jolly Giant's and have him repeat.

More than likely...YOU know that repeating wouldn't change your situation one bit and THAT is what really burns your arses.

Again, whatever you do...STOP talking and actually DO something...for your kid's sake.

100% agree. They will all catch up in HS. Some of our team's smaller players are the mightiest and most aggressive. Our biggest player was let go was slow and timid. A kid who was small and a defender came to our team before tournament season and oh my, he was RELENTLESS! Our big soft guy was intimidating at first glance on field but when game started, it was our mighty mouse who made players go horizontal and frustrated. Please contact coaches or directors of teams you have interest in. Good organizations will walk you through this thought process and talk to you about their team's needs.
Tell your son to keep practicing and strength train. He will be good!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Teams have 5-7 holdbacks at most. Stop crying that they are taking over your team. There are still 15 or more spots filled by on age kids. If your son didn't make it it probably means he didn't belong on that team. There are so many options out there and there is a place for everyone. But if your son didn't make Crabs or FCA it's not because all the holdbacks forced him out. Things change. In a year your son may be the one that pushes someone else off the roster.

Holdback apologist. It is usually a few more on supposed top teams. But that means these kids gaming the system have taken 5-10 spots that should be taken by on age players. thats 25% to 50% of team players. Pretty sorry state for youth lacrosse.

Just hold your dwarf's back already or send them to the cathedral all boys choir, but PLEASE stop posting the same old tear in my beer, any excuse to give up and blame someone else for my troubles crap here day after day.

You live in a hot bed for Lacrosse and your kid got launched because they wanted someone else. It's happened to the best so who are you??

Go somewhere else to play or if your kid is as great as you say....put him on a level playing ground physically and mentally with all these Jolly Giant's and have him repeat.

More than likely...YOU know that repeating wouldn't change your situation one bit and THAT is what really burns your arses.

Again, whatever you do...STOP talking and actually DO something...for your kid's sake.

Hilarious,,spoken like a parent that knew his son couldnt compete against children the same age. What to do..Give his child an advantage others same exact age dont get. According to your church choir, thats in the spirit of YOUTH sports, LOL ...maybe , just maybe, youth sports played by children wasnt meant to give select players like you son an advantage others dont get.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Teams have 5-7 holdbacks at most. Stop crying that they are taking over your team. There are still 15 or more spots filled by on age kids. If your son didn't make it it probably means he didn't belong on that team. There are so many options out there and there is a place for everyone. But if your son didn't make Crabs or FCA it's not because all the holdbacks forced him out. Things change. In a year your son may be the one that pushes someone else off the roster.

Holdback apologist. It is usually a few more on supposed top teams. But that means these kids gaming the system have taken 5-10 spots that should be taken by on age players. thats 25% to 50% of team players. Pretty sorry state for youth lacrosse.

Just hold your dwarf's back already or send them to the cathedral all boys choir, but PLEASE stop posting the same old tear in my beer, any excuse to give up and blame someone else for my troubles crap here day after day.

You live in a hot bed for Lacrosse and your kid got launched because they wanted someone else. It's happened to the best so who are you??

Go somewhere else to play or if your kid is as great as you say....put him on a level playing ground physically and mentally with all these Jolly Giant's and have him repeat.

More than likely...YOU know that repeating wouldn't change your situation one bit and THAT is what really burns your arses.

Again, whatever you do...STOP talking and actually DO something...for your kid's sake.

Hilarious,,spoken like a parent that knew his son couldnt compete against children the same age. What to do..Give his child an advantage others same exact age dont get. According to your church choir, thats in the spirit of YOUTH sports, LOL ...maybe , just maybe, youth sports played by children wasnt meant to give select players like you son an advantage others dont get.

Yawn. Move on. The horse is dead.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Teams have 5-7 holdbacks at most. Stop crying that they are taking over your team. There are still 15 or more spots filled by on age kids. If your son didn't make it it probably means he didn't belong on that team. There are so many options out there and there is a place for everyone. But if your son didn't make Crabs or FCA it's not because all the holdbacks forced him out. Things change. In a year your son may be the one that pushes someone else off the roster.

Holdback apologist. It is usually a few more on supposed top teams. But that means these kids gaming the system have taken 5-10 spots that should be taken by on age players. thats 25% to 50% of team players. Pretty sorry state for youth lacrosse.

I'm not a holdback apologist. My son is on one of the 2 teams I mentioned and he is not a holdback. There is no team with 10 holdbacks. Like I said, there are 5-7 older kids on these teams. And even if they are older it's only be a few months. That leaves 15 or so spots that are filled by on age kids. If your son didn't make it he got beat out by 15 kids his age. What is your excuse about those because I'm sure there is one? Do you just tell him it's politics? They're in 8th grade now. This is when kids really start to separate in terms of athleticism. Being big and slow is no better than small and weak. Both FCA and Crabs got rid of kids that were holdbacks and added on age kids this year. Those holdback kids were bigger and better when they were younger but kids have caught up now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Teams have 5-7 holdbacks at most. Stop crying that they are taking over your team. There are still 15 or more spots filled by on age kids. If your son didn't make it it probably means he didn't belong on that team. There are so many options out there and there is a place for everyone. But if your son didn't make Crabs or FCA it's not because all the holdbacks forced him out. Things change. In a year your son may be the one that pushes someone else off the roster.

Holdback apologist. It is usually a few more on supposed top teams. But that means these kids gaming the system have taken 5-10 spots that should be taken by on age players. thats 25% to 50% of team players. Pretty sorry state for youth lacrosse.

I'm not a holdback apologist. My son is on one of the 2 teams I mentioned and he is not a holdback. There is no team with 10 holdbacks. Like I said, there are 5-7 older kids on these teams. And even if they are older it's only be a few months. That leaves 15 or so spots that are filled by on age kids. If your son didn't make it he got beat out by 15 kids his age. What is your excuse about those because I'm sure there is one? Do you just tell him it's politics? They're in 8th grade now. This is when kids really start to separate in terms of athleticism. Being big and slow is no better than small and weak. Both FCA and Crabs got rid of kids that were holdbacks and added on age kids this year. Those holdback kids were bigger and better when they were younger but kids have caught up now.

Yes that is why we have so many kids being held back in 8th grade this year. Do you really expect people to believe you??. Crabs cutting MIAA holdbacks over on age kids. LOL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Teams have 5-7 holdbacks at most. Stop crying that they are taking over your team. There are still 15 or more spots filled by on age kids. If your son didn't make it it probably means he didn't belong on that team. There are so many options out there and there is a place for everyone. But if your son didn't make Crabs or FCA it's not because all the holdbacks forced him out. Things change. In a year your son may be the one that pushes someone else off the roster.

Holdback apologist. It is usually a few more on supposed top teams. But that means these kids gaming the system have taken 5-10 spots that should be taken by on age players. thats 25% to 50% of team players. Pretty sorry state for youth lacrosse.

I'm not a holdback apologist. My son is on one of the 2 teams I mentioned and he is not a holdback. There is no team with 10 holdbacks. Like I said, there are 5-7 older kids on these teams. And even if they are older it's only be a few months. That leaves 15 or so spots that are filled by on age kids. If your son didn't make it he got beat out by 15 kids his age. What is your excuse about those because I'm sure there is one? Do you just tell him it's politics? They're in 8th grade now. This is when kids really start to separate in terms of athleticism. Being big and slow is no better than small and weak. Both FCA and Crabs got rid of kids that were holdbacks and added on age kids this year. Those holdback kids were bigger and better when they were younger but kids have caught up now.

Yes that is why we have so many kids being held back in 8th grade this year. Do you really expect people to believe you??. Crabs cutting MIAA holdbacks over on age kids. LOL.

You don't have to believe me. The rosters will be posted shortly and you can believe it then. Crabs cut several kids that went to prefirst. Crabs didn't have anyone that was repeating 8th grade last year. Neither did FCA. That seems to be a Hawks thing these days.

Fca added a player from 91 who is repeating 8th grade and one from Crabs who repeated 6th grade (played 2022 and 2023 for Crabs). Those two are obvious. Sure there are others. And Crabs has at least three others, all at McD, who did prefirst.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Both FCA and Crabs got rid of kids that were holdbacks and added on age kids this year. Those holdback kids were bigger and better when they were younger but kids have caught up now.

FCA added 2022 holdbacks and cut on age players from last year. The ones I'm aware of include a middie from 91 and several middies and attack from Crabs. Maybe they also cut some kids who were kindergarten holdbacks, but they added a number of 8th grade holdbacks.

I do agree that the advantages of an extra year (not "a few months") are beginning to fade at this point. But to discount the advantages it gives these kids (and their parents) ignores reality.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Teams have 5-7 holdbacks at most. Stop crying that they are taking over your team. There are still 15 or more spots filled by on age kids. If your son didn't make it it probably means he didn't belong on that team. There are so many options out there and there is a place for everyone. But if your son didn't make Crabs or FCA it's not because all the holdbacks forced him out. Things change. In a year your son may be the one that pushes someone else off the roster.

Holdback apologist. It is usually a few more on supposed top teams. But that means these kids gaming the system have taken 5-10 spots that should be taken by on age players. thats 25% to 50% of team players. Pretty sorry state for youth lacrosse.

I'm not a holdback apologist. My son is on one of the 2 teams I mentioned and he is not a holdback. There is no team with 10 holdbacks. Like I said, there are 5-7 older kids on these teams. And even if they are older it's only be a few months. That leaves 15 or so spots that are filled by on age kids. If your son didn't make it he got beat out by 15 kids his age. What is your excuse about those because I'm sure there is one? Do you just tell him it's politics? They're in 8th grade now. This is when kids really start to separate in terms of athleticism. Being big and slow is no better than small and weak. Both FCA and Crabs got rid of kids that were holdbacks and added on age kids this year. Those holdback kids were bigger and better when they were younger but kids have caught up now.

Yes that is why we have so many kids being held back in 8th grade this year. Do you really expect people to believe you??. Crabs cutting MIAA holdbacks over on age kids. LOL.

You don't have to believe me. The rosters will be posted shortly and you can believe it then. Crabs cut several kids that went to prefirst. Crabs didn't have anyone that was repeating 8th grade last year. Neither did FCA. That seems to be a Hawks thing these days.

Not a single 8th grade repeat on the Hawks team... unless the non-impact new goalie is. dummy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Teams have 5-7 holdbacks at most. Stop crying that they are taking over your team. There are still 15 or more spots filled by on age kids. If your son didn't make it it probably means he didn't belong on that team. There are so many options out there and there is a place for everyone. But if your son didn't make Crabs or FCA it's not because all the holdbacks forced him out. Things change. In a year your son may be the one that pushes someone else off the roster.

Holdback apologist. It is usually a few more on supposed top teams. But that means these kids gaming the system have taken 5-10 spots that should be taken by on age players. thats 25% to 50% of team players. Pretty sorry state for youth lacrosse.

I'm not a holdback apologist. My son is on one of the 2 teams I mentioned and he is not a holdback. There is no team with 10 holdbacks. Like I said, there are 5-7 older kids on these teams. And even if they are older it's only be a few months. That leaves 15 or so spots that are filled by on age kids. If your son didn't make it he got beat out by 15 kids his age. What is your excuse about those because I'm sure there is one? Do you just tell him it's politics? They're in 8th grade now. This is when kids really start to separate in terms of athleticism. Being big and slow is no better than small and weak. Both FCA and Crabs got rid of kids that were holdbacks and added on age kids this year. Those holdback kids were bigger and better when they were younger but kids have caught up now.

Yes that is why we have so many kids being held back in 8th grade this year. Do you really expect people to believe you??. Crabs cutting MIAA holdbacks over on age kids. LOL.

You don't have to believe me. The rosters will be posted shortly and you can believe it then. Crabs cut several kids that went to prefirst. Crabs didn't have anyone that was repeating 8th grade last year. Neither did FCA. That seems to be a Hawks thing these days.

Not a single 8th grade repeat on the Hawks team... unless the non-impact new goalie is. dummy.

The Hawks picked up a holdback goalie at 2023? Why? The goalies they had were amazing. Why would they pick up a holdback that wasn’t even all that great to begin with. They did that at the 2022 level last year as well.

Not a single 8th grade repeat on the Hawks team... unless the non-impact new goalie is. dummy.[/quote]

The Hawks picked up a holdback goalie at 2023? Why? The goalies they had were amazing. Why would they pick up a holdback that wasn’t even all that great to begin with. They did that at the 2022 level last year as well.[/quote][/quote]

Sorry your son didn't make it this year former backup goalie dad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Both FCA and Crabs got rid of kids that were holdbacks and added on age kids this year. Those holdback kids were bigger and better when they were younger but kids have caught up now.

FCA added 2022 holdbacks and cut on age players from last year. The ones I'm aware of include a middie from 91 and several middies and attack from Crabs. Maybe they also cut some kids who were kindergarten holdbacks, but they added a number of 8th grade holdbacks.

I do agree that the advantages of an extra year (not "a few months") are beginning to fade at this point. But to discount the advantages it gives these kids (and their parents) ignores reality.

The holdback apologists all give the same songs and dances. Everyone knows it is a good advantage while young and gets less and less as the boys get to higher HS grades and college.

What would you rather have, a bunch of good 19 year old HS players or a bunch of good 18 year HS players. Obvious answer to any HS coach.

Most studies say around 19-21 is about the end of physical differences in boys. Not talking about Puberty growth, talking about bulk weight and weight training development.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Both FCA and Crabs got rid of kids that were holdbacks and added on age kids this year. Those holdback kids were bigger and better when they were younger but kids have caught up now.

FCA added 2022 holdbacks and cut on age players from last year. The ones I'm aware of include a middie from 91 and several middies and attack from Crabs. Maybe they also cut some kids who were kindergarten holdbacks, but they added a number of 8th grade holdbacks.

I do agree that the advantages of an extra year (not "a few months") are beginning to fade at this point. But to discount the advantages it gives these kids (and their parents) ignores reality.

The holdback apologists all give the same songs and dances. Everyone knows it is a good advantage while young and gets less and less as the boys get to higher HS grades and college.

What would you rather have, a bunch of good 19 year old HS players or a bunch of good 18 year HS players. Obvious answer to any HS coach.

Most studies say around 19-21 is about the end of physical differences in boys. Not talking about Puberty growth, talking about bulk weight and weight training development.

What is the answer? Not obvious to me ... maybe i want to 18 yo who had to beat the odds over the 19 yo snowflake that needed a silver spoon. Those who earn things do better in life than those merely given them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Both FCA and Crabs got rid of kids that were holdbacks and added on age kids this year. Those holdback kids were bigger and better when they were younger but kids have caught up now.

FCA added 2022 holdbacks and cut on age players from last year. The ones I'm aware of include a middie from 91 and several middies and attack from Crabs. Maybe they also cut some kids who were kindergarten holdbacks, but they added a number of 8th grade holdbacks.

I do agree that the advantages of an extra year (not "a few months") are beginning to fade at this point. But to discount the advantages it gives these kids (and their parents) ignores reality.

The holdback apologists all give the same songs and dances. Everyone knows it is a good advantage while young and gets less and less as the boys get to higher HS grades and college.

What would you rather have, a bunch of good 19 year old HS players or a bunch of good 18 year HS players. Obvious answer to any HS coach.

Most studies say around 19-21 is about the end of physical differences in boys. Not talking about Puberty growth, talking about bulk weight and weight training development.

Now we know you are lying. I am 46 years old and found I am much better at gaining bulk and weight now than I was when I was 19-21

One thing about this age group and area is that there are no Virginia teams with the "holdback/re-class" issue. The best are a notch below the elite teams but in Virginia it is just not a "thing" players do. Will this level the playing field in the years to come?

OMG this holdback discussion was a dead horse a long time ago. Same guy whining about it over and over. Get a life. In a year, in 9th grade, no one will give a crap about this. My son is average sized and on age and I have no idea if his teammates or opposing players are holdbacks or not. Nor do I care.

I thought the Moderators created a special Holdbacks thread for this guy to mindlessly vent. Please take that discussion there. Moderators, please don't allow more of the Holdback crap on this thread.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One thing about this age group and area is that there are no Virginia teams with the "holdback/re-class" issue. The best are a notch below the elite teams but in Virginia it is just not a "thing" players do. Will this level the playing field in the years to come?

There are private schools and wealthy parents in VA. Wealthy parents sometimes hold back their kids at private schools because they can. Sometimes those kids play lacrosse. It is a thing everywhere. Some of the more talented ones play in MD. Other hold backs are less talented so nobody cares and you don't even know

I’m beginning to miss the Zingos coach talking out his a**. I can only handle so much holdback crying.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Both FCA and Crabs got rid of kids that were holdbacks and added on age kids this year. Those holdback kids were bigger and better when they were younger but kids have caught up now.

FCA added 2022 holdbacks and cut on age players from last year. The ones I'm aware of include a middie from 91 and several middies and attack from Crabs. Maybe they also cut some kids who were kindergarten holdbacks, but they added a number of 8th grade holdbacks.

I do agree that the advantages of an extra year (not "a few months") are beginning to fade at this point. But to discount the advantages it gives these kids (and their parents) ignores reality.

The holdback apologists all give the same songs and dances. Everyone knows it is a good advantage while young and gets less and less as the boys get to higher HS grades and college.

What would you rather have, a bunch of good 19 year old HS players or a bunch of good 18 year HS players. Obvious answer to any HS coach.

Most studies say around 19-21 is about the end of physical differences in boys. Not talking about Puberty growth, talking about bulk weight and weight training development.

Now we know you are lying. I am 46 years old and found I am much better at gaining bulk and weight now than I was when I was 19-21

Can you at least try to be little truthful. Yea a 46 year old can train and be in better shape for sports than a 21. You need to read up on male physical development. Bulk weight and lifting doesnt mean that eating 10 twinkies and gaining five lbs while lifting is better than some 21 year who needs tons of carbs and meat while lifting to gain 5 lbs. LOL.. You should try out for the Ravens, sounds like you are in better shape than those pesky college boys that are drafted

Now that tryouts are complete, will there be any changes to the rankings at 2023? Which teams improve the most? Any team go backwards?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now that tryouts are complete, will there be any changes to the rankings at 2023? Which teams improve the most? Any team go backwards?

Well, what is your insight?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now that tryouts are complete, will there be any changes to the rankings at 2023? Which teams improve the most? Any team go backwards?

Who cares? It’s all about all star and national teams now. Local club teams are the new rec, with elite being the travel teams and the rest being house teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now that tryouts are complete, will there be any changes to the rankings at 2023? Which teams improve the most? Any team go backwards?

Who cares? It’s all about all star and national teams now. Local club teams are the new rec, with elite being the travel teams and the rest being house teams.

How many "out of state" (Virginia does not count) players on the roster for Hawks and MLDCD?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now that tryouts are complete, will there be any changes to the rankings at 2023? Which teams improve the most? Any team go backwards?

Who cares? It’s all about all star and national teams now. Local club teams are the new rec, with elite being the travel teams and the rest being house teams.

How many "out of state" (Virginia does not count) players on the roster for Hawks and MLDCD?

Zero for the Hawks - Virginia and the District included. All MD boys... mostly from within a 25 mile radius.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now that tryouts are complete, will there be any changes to the rankings at 2023? Which teams improve the most? Any team go backwards?

Who cares? It’s all about all star and national teams now. Local club teams are the new rec, with elite being the travel teams and the rest being house teams.

How many "out of state" (Virginia does not count) players on the roster for Hawks and MLDCD?

Zero for the Hawks - Virginia and the District included. All MD boys... mostly from within a 25 mile radius.

with 1/2 of them driving themselves to practice

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This just in:

August 21, 2018 by Edward Lee Contact Reporter Baltimore Sun:

The Johns Hopkins men's lacrosse team is a surprise announcement informed the media the head coach Dave Pietramala is leaving the Hopkins program to coach the Zingo's 2023 team. "It has always been a dream of mine to capture a HOCO league title." The often emotional coach struggled to keep it together after sharing the news with players this morning. The often labeled "best defensive coach on the planet" will be reclassing two top 2022 players along with some current Blue Jay's in an effort to make a claim to belong in the Elite division.
According to ESPN lacrosse analyst Quint Kessenich, this could be a lucrative deal for coach Petro as he understands team fees in excess of $20000.00 per player will be waived for children of coaches. "Although the team fee may seem excessive it is only a 10% increase and includes a great gear package." from Zingo management. ESPN and the Baltimore Sun reached out to form Hopkins great Paul Rabil for comment, "What the heck is a Zingo?"
Editor's note: adding one zero to the current 2000.00 team fee is not a 10% increase.

Quint's physique > Nutjob Zingos d coach physique

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This just in:

August 21, 2018 by Edward Lee Contact Reporter Baltimore Sun:

The Johns Hopkins men's lacrosse team is a surprise announcement informed the media the head coach Dave Pietramala is leaving the Hopkins program to coach the Zingo's 2023 team. "It has always been a dream of mine to capture a HOCO league title." The often emotional coach struggled to keep it together after sharing the news with players this morning. The often labeled "best defensive coach on the planet" will be reclassing two top 2022 players along with some current Blue Jay's in an effort to make a claim to belong in the Elite division.
According to ESPN lacrosse analyst Quint Kessenich, this could be a lucrative deal for coach Petro as he understands team fees in excess of $20000.00 per player will be waived for children of coaches. "Although the team fee may seem excessive it is only a 10% increase and includes a great gear package." from Zingo management. ESPN and the Baltimore Sun reached out to form Hopkins great Paul Rabil for comment, "What the heck is a Zingo?"
Editor's note: adding one zero to the current 2000.00 team fee is not a 10% increase.

Quint's physique > Nutjob Zingos d coach physique

Shut up! You know nothing. Zingo Defense guru once coached a game with a severed arm and a pitbull clamped down on his leg. #toughness #ripped #genius

Brian King Sr and his son are coaching this year. I heard that the Lax World coach's son is moving to an elite team. It's Towson because the "Greene Turtle Towson" bar sponsors them.

This is the age that some boys will hit puberty separate from the later bloomers. My kid is on age 2023 (Turns 14 this December) and he's 5'11" 145lbs and had to start shaving last year. I'm sure most who see him on the field think he is a "holdback" or "pre-first" and neither are the case. Looks can be deceiving so stop judging and look for the best experience for your son. The "best" team is where a player enjoys playing and is driven to improve, not necessarily the one with the best record.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Brian King Sr and his son are coaching this year. I heard that the Lax World coach's son is moving to an elite team. It's Towson because the "Greene Turtle Towson" bar sponsors them.

Is this in response to another post? Are you referring to GT 2023? Is King the JC Coach?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now that tryouts are complete, will there be any changes to the rankings at 2023? Which teams improve the most? Any team go backwards?

Who cares? It’s all about all star and national teams now. Local club teams are the new rec, with elite being the travel teams and the rest being house teams.

In a lot of ways that is the way Youth lacrosse is going. It is anything goes. From the unlimited holdbacks and out of state players.. The final result will be youth all star teams with players from everywhere competing any whatever they want..leagues, tournaments, etc. Another sad way of youth lacrosse direction

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is the age that some boys will hit puberty separate from the later bloomers. My kid is on age 2023 (Turns 14 this December) and he's 5'11" 145lbs and had to start shaving last year. I'm sure most who see him on the field think he is a "holdback" or "pre-first" and neither are the case. Looks can be deceiving so stop judging and look for the best experience for your son. The "best" team is where a player enjoys playing and is driven to improve, not necessarily the one with the best record.

Years ago, no one would have said anything except ..boy that kid is big for his age. Not now. With the epidemic of holdbacks/prefirsts/reclass expect to hear it. Too many are big and heldback. You are the exception.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is the age that some boys will hit puberty separate from the later bloomers. My kid is on age 2023 (Turns 14 this December) and he's 5'11" 145lbs and had to start shaving last year. I'm sure most who see him on the field think he is a "holdback" or "pre-first" and neither are the case. Looks can be deceiving so stop judging and look for the best experience for your son. The "best" team is where a player enjoys playing and is driven to improve, not necessarily the one with the best record.

Is your son a middie for Looneys?

Brian King is GT 2023 coach. His son Brian is assistant.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Brian King is GT 2023 coach. His son Brian is assistant.

Good recruiting move. Thought he would be involved in UC. Do they have enough to field a team? The good Lax World players went elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now that tryouts are complete, will there be any changes to the rankings at 2023? Which teams improve the most? Any team go backwards?

Who cares? It’s all about all star and national teams now. Local club teams are the new rec, with elite being the travel teams and the rest being house teams.

In a lot of ways that is the way Youth lacrosse is going. It is anything goes. From the unlimited holdbacks and out of state players.. The final result will be youth all star teams with players from everywhere competing any whatever they want..leagues, tournaments, etc. Another sad way of youth lacrosse direction

From what I understand, the top two teams in 2023 have a few older birthday's (PRE K) but did not add to what were already top teams with 2022 players re-classing. They are basically the same teams as last year. Crabs who took a step back last year and may have added one or two 2022 players. Going into this season:
Who is bringing in out of state players? Team 91? why would any parent book a flight for a team with no HOCO wins in two seasons?
There are national tournaments. Teams like True and Duke's advertise this so I do not see this as an issue. True could not win without a few locals. Madlax had a National team that would loose by 10 goals or more if they played the local Madlax team. The Virginia teams have little impact as they are spread among three or four teams. Other than the MM championship and the Naptown event, not much impact from "national" teams. Most teams get players from within a 25 mile radius. Is Freedom a National team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

...
Is Freedom a National team?

Freedom is not a national team.

2023 AA update. Info provided mainly by my 13 year old and a know it all neighbor:

Hawks: No info other than they were really good last year, well coached and other than a couple kids, weren’t very big. Chances are they added some good players and others will hit puberty
Club Blue: Now part of Madlax and my sons says best players from Next Level are jumping ship to DC Dogs. Maybe caught up to Hawks on paper.
Crabs: Righty attackman back down from 2022. Lefty rom 22 Roughriders and lefty from Looneys make up all star attack. Only 1 ball… A few departures including top midfielder and middle of roster guys.
FCA: Maybe biggest jump in talent as they picked up the aforementioned Crabs players plus 22 reclasser from 91
Looneys: Lost their best offensive player to Crabs. Rumor has the former Crabs lefty returning to Looneys.
Next Level: Could be tough going if they lost top players to DC Dogs
BLC: Turn into DC Express. Got no info
91: Maybe marginally better but will be tough sledding in elite division

From what I understand, the top two teams in 2023 have a few older birthday's (PRE K) but did not add to what were already top teams with 2022 players re-classing. They are basically the same teams as last year. Crabs who took a step back last year and may have added one or two 2022 players. Going into this season:
Who is bringing in out of state players? Team 91? why would any parent book a flight for a team with no HOCO wins in two seasons?
There are national tournaments. Teams like True and Duke's advertise this so I do not see this as an issue. True could not win without a few locals. Madlax had a National team that would loose by 10 goals or more if they played the local Madlax team. The Virginia teams have little impact as they are spread among three or four teams. Other than the MM championship and the Naptown event, not much impact from "national" teams. Most teams get players from within a 25 mile radius. Is Freedom a National team?
[/quote]

Which are the top 2 teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023 AA update. Info provided mainly by my 13 year old and a know it all neighbor:

Hawks: No info other than they were really good last year, well coached and other than a couple kids, weren’t very big. Chances are they added some good players and others will hit puberty
Club Blue: Now part of Madlax and my sons says best players from Next Level are jumping ship to DC Dogs. Maybe caught up to Hawks on paper.
Crabs: Righty attackman back down from 2022. Lefty rom 22 Roughriders and lefty from Looneys make up all star attack. Only 1 ball… A few departures including top midfielder and middle of roster guys.
FCA: Maybe biggest jump in talent as they picked up the aforementioned Crabs players plus 22 reclasser from 91
Looneys: Lost their best offensive player to Crabs. Rumor has the former Crabs lefty returning to Looneys.
Next Level: Could be tough going if they lost top players to DC Dogs
BLC: Turn into DC Express. Got no info
91: Maybe marginally better but will be tough sledding in elite division

After two seasons 91 should give another team a shot at a win in the Elite division

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023 AA update. Info provided mainly by my 13 year old and a know it all neighbor:

Hawks: No info other than they were really good last year, well coached and other than a couple kids, weren’t very big. Chances are they added some good players and others will hit puberty
Club Blue: Now part of Madlax and my sons says best players from Next Level are jumping ship to DC Dogs. Maybe caught up to Hawks on paper.
Crabs: Righty attackman back down from 2022. Lefty rom 22 Roughriders and lefty from Looneys make up all star attack. Only 1 ball… A few departures including top midfielder and middle of roster guys.
FCA: Maybe biggest jump in talent as they picked up the aforementioned Crabs players plus 22 reclasser from 91
Looneys: Lost their best offensive player to Crabs. Rumor has the former Crabs lefty returning to Looneys.
Next Level: Could be tough going if they lost top players to DC Dogs
BLC: Turn into DC Express. Got no info
91: Maybe marginally better but will be tough sledding in elite division

Your 13 year old and nosy neighbor did a pretty good job. Only thing I would change is that you're giving a little too much credit to the Crabs middie that left. Was marginal at best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

...
Is Freedom a National team?

Freedom is not a national team.

Isn't the big stud lefty from Syracuse?

Freedom is definitely a national team now. They have several good local kids from Philly but the rest are Dukes Nationals kids from all over the country. Not to mention their guest players that show up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From what I understand, the top two teams in 2023 have a few older birthday's (PRE K) but did not add to what were already top teams with 2022 players re-classing. They are basically the same teams as last year. Crabs who took a step back last year and may have added one or two 2022 players. Going into this season:
Who is bringing in out of state players? Team 91? why would any parent book a flight for a team with no HOCO wins in two seasons?
There are national tournaments. Teams like True and Duke's advertise this so I do not see this as an issue. True could not win without a few locals. Madlax had a National team that would loose by 10 goals or more if they played the local Madlax team. The Virginia teams have little impact as they are spread among three or four teams. Other than the MM championship and the Naptown event, not much impact from "national" teams. Most teams get players from within a 25 mile radius. Is Freedom a National team?

Which are the top 2 teams?[/quote]
Are you really asking? If you watched any 2023 games in the past year it is Hawks and DC Dogs (ML) in a tier above the rest.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Freedom is definitely a national team now. They have several good local kids from Philly but the rest are Dukes Nationals kids from all over the country. Not to mention their guest players that show up.

Incorrect. A number of Freedom players also play (or played) on Duke's Nationals, however the players are most certainly local to the Philly area.

Zingos will be much improved. Defense wins championships.

Originally Posted by anonymousturd

Zingos will be much improved. Defense wins championships.

And Zone defenses win HOCO championships

Sweet - we're allowed to post again!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sweet - we're allowed to post again!

Do long as there is not TMI posted! What are the best tournaments this fall?

Originally Posted by reclassof1994

Originally Posted by anonymousturd

Zingos will be much improved. Defense wins championships.

And Zone defenses win HOCO championships

Don't you think the zone will become the norm on defense in the future

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Brian King is GT 2023 coach. His son Brian is assistant.

No, Breakers

Interested in feedback from long-term coaches or experienced parents: Do the kids who have been at the top of the age group over the years tend to remain at the top throughout high school or is it more common to see significant turnover in the top players after puberty? Does turnover tend to occur more with defenders where a big physical kid who is years behind in stick skills can still be really impactful? I understand that the 2023s who have already had their growth spurt are temporarily advantaged but assume late developers will soon catch up. What to expect afterwards? What have you seen?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by reclassof1994

Originally Posted by anonymousturd

Zingos will be much improved. Defense wins championships.

And Zone defenses win HOCO championships

Don't you think the zone will become the norm on defense in the future

If your team's main defense is a a zone, you need to find another team. Zone defense does very little, if anything, to develop kids and if your son's coach is running this it is because they either don't know how to or don't care about coaching/developing players.

Someone is going to pipe up and say - but they run zones in HS and college...blah blah blah. The objective is different in HS & College - there they are primarily worried about winning, the coach gets paid to win. In the youth ages the coach should be worried about developing the kids so that they are able to make a HS or College team and be a contributor. Standing around in a 3-3 zone does nothing for your son.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone is going to pipe up and say - but they run zones in HS and college...blah blah blah. The objective is different in HS & College - there they are primarily worried about winning, the coach gets paid to win. In the youth ages the coach should be worried about developing the kids so that they are able to make a HS or College team and be a contributor. Standing around in a 3-3 zone does nothing for your son.

I agree. Development of player is key prior to high school. Zone teaches nothing about how to play defense. All it does is teach players how to grow roots at the youth level.

2022 API Diamondbacks. All zone, all the time. See their regression over the years in HoCo when kids get bigger and can shoot and move the ball vs. a zone. Works really well when kids are young, but if you can't change it up, team figure it out. We'll see what happens with the Hawks 2023.

2015 (6-0) 99 GF 15 GA
2016 (6-0) 56 GF 26 GA
2017 (2-4) 55 GF 66 GA
2018 (1-7) 41 GF 86 GA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 API Diamondbacks. All zone, all the time. See their regression over the years in HoCo when kids get bigger and can shoot and move the ball vs. a zone. Works really well when kids are young, but if you can't change it up, team figure it out. We'll see what happens with the Hawks 2023.

2015 (6-0) 99 GF 15 GA
2016 (6-0) 56 GF 26 GA
2017 (2-4) 55 GF 66 GA
2018 (1-7) 41 GF 86 GA

Exhibit A - love it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interested in feedback from long-term coaches or experienced parents: Do the kids who have been at the top of the age group over the years tend to remain at the top throughout high school or is it more common to see significant turnover in the top players after puberty? Does turnover tend to occur more with defenders where a big physical kid who is years behind in stick skills can still be really impactful? I understand that the 2023s who have already had their growth spurt are temporarily advantaged but assume late developers will soon catch up. What to expect afterwards? What have you seen?

This is a great question and a nice break from "holdback" and "zone defense" posts. In my experience, (parent and coach) I would say that the top players in an age group do tend to be the top players in HS. I have seen many kids that were great in 8th grade, who I knew were great, now playing on Saturday's for top programs. However this is still a generalization. I have had a chance to watch the careers of a few D1 players and the common denominator for me was that they all worked very hard. They always seem to be the ones that practiced a lot and asked tons of questions. The kid who had his stick in his hand almost all the time. Size is an issue for some positions but there are AA players under 5'10". I think at the highest levels of play there are plenty of great athletes but that is not enough. I think some players are just "gamers" and know how to make plays. Some coaches refer to this as lax IQ. Even at the 2023 age group it is not always the biggest kid who is the best player. I think the players that love the game and work to improve on their own tend to be the ones who will be the top HS players. They are also some of the best players now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2022 API Diamondbacks. All zone, all the time. See their regression over the years in HoCo when kids get bigger and can shoot and move the ball vs. a zone. Works really well when kids are young, but if you can't change it up, team figure it out. We'll see what happens with the Hawks 2023.

2015 (6-0) 99 GF 15 GA
2016 (6-0) 56 GF 26 GA
2017 (2-4) 55 GF 66 GA
2018 (1-7) 41 GF 86 GA

Definitely a different team than Hawks 2023. We will see how it goes, but the trends are different than Diamondbacks 2022

2016 (4-2) 39 GF 26 GA
2017 (4-2) 57 GF 25 GA
2018 (7-0) 98 GF 39 GA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2022 API Diamondbacks. All zone, all the time. See their regression over the years in HoCo when kids get bigger and can shoot and move the ball vs. a zone. Works really well when kids are young, but if you can't change it up, team figure it out. We'll see what happens with the Hawks 2023.

2015 (6-0) 99 GF 15 GA
2016 (6-0) 56 GF 26 GA
2017 (2-4) 55 GF 66 GA
2018 (1-7) 41 GF 86 GA

Definitely a different team than Hawks 2023. We will see how it goes, but the trends are different than Diamondbacks 2022

2016 (4-2) 39 GF 26 GA
2017 (4-2) 57 GF 25 GA
2018 (7-0) 98 GF 39 GA

Hawks 2023 went primarily zone in 2018.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2022 API Diamondbacks. All zone, all the time. See their regression over the years in HoCo when kids get bigger and can shoot and move the ball vs. a zone. Works really well when kids are young, but if you can't change it up, team figure it out. We'll see what happens with the Hawks 2023.

2015 (6-0) 99 GF 15 GA
2016 (6-0) 56 GF 26 GA
2017 (2-4) 55 GF 66 GA
2018 (1-7) 41 GF 86 GA

Definitely a different team than Hawks 2023. We will see how it goes, but the trends are different than Diamondbacks 2022

2016 (4-2) 39 GF 26 GA
2017 (4-2) 57 GF 25 GA
2018 (7-0) 98 GF 39 GA

Exhibit B

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 API Diamondbacks. All zone, all the time. See their regression over the years in HoCo when kids get bigger and can shoot and move the ball vs. a zone. Works really well when kids are young, but if you can't change it up, team figure it out. We'll see what happens with the Hawks 2023.

2015 (6-0) 99 GF 15 GA
2016 (6-0) 56 GF 26 GA
2017 (2-4) 55 GF 66 GA
2018 (1-7) 41 GF 86 GA

Definitely a different team than Hawks 2023. We will see how it goes, but the trends are different than Diamondbacks 2022

2016 (4-2) 39 GF 26 GA
2017 (4-2) 57 GF 25 GA
2018 (7-0) 98 GF 39 GA

Exhibit B

The biggest problem with the 2022 API Diamondbacks decline was the lack of roster turnover and daddy coaching. In order to stay on top you have to get rid of non-talented players that are only on the roster because their parents are buddies with the coach and replace them with talented lacrosse players. The 2022 API Diamondbacks never turned over their roster until it was too late. Perfect example, the 2022 Hawks, they added new players every year to stay on top.

Hawks have been all zone since 2016. Their top players have joined the team in the last two years. They don’t develop talent and the dad coaches play their kids too much. Luckily the FoGo is great, both lefty attacks and righty attack are excellent (no daddy ball all joined in the last two years) and the goalie is fantastic but his father is nuts. They will run away with HOCo again.
All facts

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 API Diamondbacks. All zone, all the time. See their regression over the years in HoCo when kids get bigger and can shoot and move the ball vs. a zone. Works really well when kids are young, but if you can't change it up, team figure it out. We'll see what happens with the Hawks 2023.

2015 (6-0) 99 GF 15 GA
2016 (6-0) 56 GF 26 GA
2017 (2-4) 55 GF 66 GA
2018 (1-7) 41 GF 86 GA

Definitely a different team than Hawks 2023. We will see how it goes, but the trends are different than Diamondbacks 2022

2016 (4-2) 39 GF 26 GA
2017 (4-2) 57 GF 25 GA
2018 (7-0) 98 GF 39 GA

Exhibit B

The biggest problem with the 2022 API Diamondbacks decline was the lack of roster turnover and daddy coaching. In order to stay on top you have to get rid of non-talented players that are only on the roster because their parents are buddies with the coach and replace them with talented lacrosse players. The 2022 API Diamondbacks never turned over their roster until it was too late. Perfect example, the 2022 Hawks, they added new players every year to stay on top.

Problem was the zone defense. Defense was never good. Only played zone because they lacked talent and speed on D. Never picked up any good defender cause what talented defender would want to play zone D. If your club plays zone better go find a different team if you want to keep developing your talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks have been all zone since 2016. Their top players have joined the team in the last two years. They don’t develop talent and the dad coaches play their kids too much. Luckily the FoGo is great, both lefty attacks and righty attack are excellent (no daddy ball all joined in the last two years) and the goalie is fantastic but his father is nuts. They will run away with HOCo again.
All facts

The new goalie you guys picked up is also really good but unfortunately his dad is nuts as well. Hahaha!!! [/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks have been all zone since 2016. Their top players have joined the team in the last two years. They don’t develop talent and the dad coaches play their kids too much. Luckily the FoGo is great, both lefty attacks and righty attack are excellent (no daddy ball all joined in the last two years) and the goalie is fantastic but his father is nuts. They will run away with HOCo again.
All facts

I wouldn't make the assumption about hoco that fast. New talent on other teams will give them a run for their money - particularly if they aren't developing the kids and sticking with that zone.

I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.

You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks have been all zone since 2016. Their top players have joined the team in the last two years. They don’t develop talent and the dad coaches play their kids too much. Luckily the FoGo is great, both lefty attacks and righty attack are excellent (no daddy ball all joined in the last two years) and the goalie is fantastic but his father is nuts. They will run away with HOCo again.
All facts

The new goalie you guys picked up is also really good but unfortunately his dad is nuts as well. Hahaha!!!

[/quote]

Why would a "good" goalie join the 2023 Hawks? The present one is GREAT (best in DMV) and will stay in the game as long as its competitive. Makes no sense, why not go to a team where you can compete for a starting position, or at least playing time?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.

If you are referring to NCAA rule changes what does that have to do with youth? Youth leagues/tournaments aren't going to have the resources to manage a shot clock. And they shouldn't. Officiating is bad enough. Yes - these kids are going to learn zone defense/offense when they get to high school and college. But that's when their teams are practicing/playing 6 days a week. Youth teams running zone do so only for a competitive advantage. They know that their opponents aren't competent in running a zone offense because they only see a few times a year. When you only practice 3-4 hours a week you're not going to spend much time on zone offense. Unless your focus is on beating the team that runs zone vs. focusing on fundamentals. Youth game should be about teaching fundamentals and having fun. Ask any defender who played in college whether man or zone is more fun

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks have been all zone since 2016. Their top players have joined the team in the last two years. They don’t develop talent and the dad coaches play their kids too much. Luckily the FoGo is great, both lefty attacks and righty attack are excellent (no daddy ball all joined in the last two years) and the goalie is fantastic but his father is nuts. They will run away with HOCo again.
All facts

The new goalie you guys picked up is also really good but unfortunately his dad is nuts as well. Hahaha!!!

Why would a "good" goalie join the 2023 Hawks? The present one is GREAT (best in DMV) and will stay in the game as long as its competitive. Makes no sense, why not go to a team where you can compete for a starting position, or at least playing time?[/quote]
Hawks goalie dads, there is a thing called Iphones that have a txt feature. You can both txt each other your feelings or continue to have your conversations here and talk about zone defenses. It is clear that this is interesting to two people who kids play goalie. Not so much to others. All youth goalies have good games and bad and playing on a strong team that holds the ball means less shots. None of that will matter in HS so we will see.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks have been all zone since 2016. Their top players have joined the team in the last two years. They don’t develop talent and the dad coaches play their kids too much. Luckily the FoGo is great, both lefty attacks and righty attack are excellent (no daddy ball all joined in the last two years) and the goalie is fantastic but his father is nuts. They will run away with HOCo again.
All facts

The new goalie you guys picked up is also really good but unfortunately his dad is nuts as well. Hahaha!!!

Why would a "good" goalie join the 2023 Hawks? The present one is GREAT (best in DMV) and will stay in the game as long as its competitive. Makes no sense, why not go to a team where you can compete for a starting position, or at least playing time?[/quote]

Someone’s nervous about losing their title of being “the best in the DMV”!!! Hahaha![/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.

If you are referring to NCAA rule changes what does that have to do with youth? Youth leagues/tournaments aren't going to have the resources to manage a shot clock. And they shouldn't. Officiating is bad enough. Yes - these kids are going to learn zone defense/offense when they get to high school and college. But that's when their teams are practicing/playing 6 days a week. Youth teams running zone do so only for a competitive advantage. They know that their opponents aren't competent in running a zone offense because they only see a few times a year. When you only practice 3-4 hours a week you're not going to spend much time on zone offense. Unless your focus is on beating the team that runs zone vs. focusing on fundamentals. Youth game should be about teaching fundamentals and having fun. Ask any defender who played in college whether man or zone is more fun

What does a defender in college have to do with youth. I think you will see the rule in Hoco play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.

You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.

definitely not wrong

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 API Diamondbacks. All zone, all the time. See their regression over the years in HoCo when kids get bigger and can shoot and move the ball vs. a zone. Works really well when kids are young, but if you can't change it up, team figure it out. We'll see what happens with the Hawks 2023.

2015 (6-0) 99 GF 15 GA
2016 (6-0) 56 GF 26 GA
2017 (2-4) 55 GF 66 GA
2018 (1-7) 41 GF 86 GA

Thanks Perry Mason !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.

If you are referring to NCAA rule changes what does that have to do with youth? Youth leagues/tournaments aren't going to have the resources to manage a shot clock. And they shouldn't. Officiating is bad enough. Yes - these kids are going to learn zone defense/offense when they get to high school and college. But that's when their teams are practicing/playing 6 days a week. Youth teams running zone do so only for a competitive advantage. They know that their opponents aren't competent in running a zone offense because they only see a few times a year. When you only practice 3-4 hours a week you're not going to spend much time on zone offense. Unless your focus is on beating the team that runs zone vs. focusing on fundamentals. Youth game should be about teaching fundamentals and having fun. Ask any defender who played in college whether man or zone is more fun

What does a defender in college have to do with youth. I think you will see the rule in Hoco play.

Ask any basketball player if they want to shoot threes or rebound... ask any football player if they want to pass or run the ball... ask any baseball player if they want to swing for a HR or bunt the man over... ask a golfer if he wants to swing away on the range or work on his short game... I hope you get my point. doesn't matter what is more fun.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.

You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.

definitely not wrong

Not only are you wrong, but you're stubborn too. And I bet your wife is a pig. Must be a hawks dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks have been all zone since 2016. Their top players have joined the team in the last two years. They don’t develop talent and the dad coaches play their kids too much. Luckily the FoGo is great, both lefty attacks and righty attack are excellent (no daddy ball all joined in the last two years) and the goalie is fantastic but his father is nuts. They will run away with HOCo again.
All facts

The new goalie you guys picked up is also really good but unfortunately his dad is nuts as well. Hahaha!!!

Why would a "good" goalie join the 2023 Hawks? The present one is GREAT (best in DMV) and will stay in the game as long as its competitive. Makes no sense, why not go to a team where you can compete for a starting position, or at least playing time?[/quote]
My nosy neighbors 13 year old son told me that the best 2023 goalie is the DC Dog's goalie

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.

If you are referring to NCAA rule changes what does that have to do with youth? Youth leagues/tournaments aren't going to have the resources to manage a shot clock. And they shouldn't. Officiating is bad enough. Yes - these kids are going to learn zone defense/offense when they get to high school and college. But that's when their teams are practicing/playing 6 days a week. Youth teams running zone do so only for a competitive advantage. They know that their opponents aren't competent in running a zone offense because they only see a few times a year. When you only practice 3-4 hours a week you're not going to spend much time on zone offense. Unless your focus is on beating the team that runs zone vs. focusing on fundamentals. Youth game should be about teaching fundamentals and having fun. Ask any defender who played in college whether man or zone is more fun

What does a defender in college have to do with youth. I think you will see the rule in Hoco play.

Ask any basketball player if they want to shoot threes or rebound... ask any football player if they want to pass or run the ball... ask any baseball player if they want to swing for a HR or bunt the man over... ask a golfer if he wants to swing away on the range or work on his short game... I hope you get my point. doesn't matter what is more fun.

"doesn't matter what is more fun" I get your point. You value winning over a young players passion for the game and development.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.

If you are referring to NCAA rule changes what does that have to do with youth? Youth leagues/tournaments aren't going to have the resources to manage a shot clock. And they shouldn't. Officiating is bad enough. Yes - these kids are going to learn zone defense/offense when they get to high school and college. But that's when their teams are practicing/playing 6 days a week. Youth teams running zone do so only for a competitive advantage. They know that their opponents aren't competent in running a zone offense because they only see a few times a year. When you only practice 3-4 hours a week you're not going to spend much time on zone offense. Unless your focus is on beating the team that runs zone vs. focusing on fundamentals. Youth game should be about teaching fundamentals and having fun. Ask any defender who played in college whether man or zone is more fun

What does a defender in college have to do with youth. I think you will see the rule in Hoco play.

Ask any basketball player if they want to shoot threes or rebound... ask any football player if they want to pass or run the ball... ask any baseball player if they want to swing for a HR or bunt the man over... ask a golfer if he wants to swing away on the range or work on his short game... I hope you get my point. doesn't matter what is more fun.

"doesn't matter what is more fun" I get your point. You value winning over a young players passion for the game and development.

You don't get it... Kids enjoy winning too. Coaches (some anyway) know what it takes. If you don't like the style of a coach, move on... don't bash the ones who play different styles.

Youth teams always play NCAA rules... 2019 will be no different in HoCo league... 80 second shot clock (20 second clear) will be kept by the referees.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.

If you are referring to NCAA rule changes what does that have to do with youth? Youth leagues/tournaments aren't going to have the resources to manage a shot clock. And they shouldn't. Officiating is bad enough. Yes - these kids are going to learn zone defense/offense when they get to high school and college. But that's when their teams are practicing/playing 6 days a week. Youth teams running zone do so only for a competitive advantage. They know that their opponents aren't competent in running a zone offense because they only see a few times a year. When you only practice 3-4 hours a week you're not going to spend much time on zone offense. Unless your focus is on beating the team that runs zone vs. focusing on fundamentals. Youth game should be about teaching fundamentals and having fun. Ask any defender who played in college whether man or zone is more fun

What does a defender in college have to do with youth. I think you will see the rule in Hoco play.

Ask any basketball player if they want to shoot threes or rebound... ask any football player if they want to pass or run the ball... ask any baseball player if they want to swing for a HR or bunt the man over... ask a golfer if he wants to swing away on the range or work on his short game... I hope you get my point. doesn't matter what is more fun.

"doesn't matter what is more fun" I get your point. You value winning over a young players passion for the game and development.

You don't get it... Kids enjoy winning too. Coaches (some anyway) know what it takes. If you don't like the style of a coach, move on... don't bash the ones who play different styles.

I love winning. My kids do to. I didn't bash any coaches. I think most HS and college coaches would agree about my take on zone defense. Other than that I love the way Hawks 2023 play

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Youth teams always play NCAA rules... 2019 will be no different in HoCo league... 80 second shot clock (20 second clear) will be kept by the referees.

you know that from those who run the league or just conjecture?

Can we get a separate zone vs man defense forum?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.

You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.

definitely not wrong

Not only are you wrong, but you're stubborn too. And I bet your wife is a pig. Must be a hawks dad.

thank you for your enlightened, uninformed juvenile response

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Youth teams always play NCAA rules... 2019 will be no different in HoCo league... 80 second shot clock (20 second clear) will be kept by the referees.

But the NCAA rule (still proposed) requires an on field clock visible to the players. HoCo (and most if not all of the tournaments) will not be able to comply with that rule.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.

You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.

definitely not wrong

Not only are you wrong, but you're stubborn too. And I bet your wife is a pig. Must be a hawks dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.

You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.

definitely not wrong

Not only are you wrong, but you're stubborn too. And I bet your wife is a pig. Must be a hawks dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.

You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.

definitely not wrong

Not only are you wrong, but you're stubborn too. And I bet your wife is a pig. Must be a hawks dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.

You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.

definitely not wrong

Not only are you wrong, but you're stubborn too. And I bet your wife is a pig. Must be a hawks dad.

Says the the man of great courage hiding behind an anonymous post.. I hope you have taught your son to respect women as your parents failed to do. Good luck at Hawks tryouts next year... signed proud Hawks RN Dad

What is a Hawks RN dad?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.

You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.

definitely not wrong

Not only are you wrong, but you're stubborn too. And I bet your wife is a pig. Must be a hawks dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.

You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.

definitely not wrong

Not only are you wrong, but you're stubborn too. And I bet your wife is a pig. Must be a hawks dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.

You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.

definitely not wrong

Not only are you wrong, but you're stubborn too. And I bet your wife is a pig. Must be a hawks dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.

You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.

definitely not wrong

Not only are you wrong, but you're stubborn too. And I bet your wife is a pig. Must be a hawks dad.

Says the the man of great courage hiding behind an anonymous post.. I hope you have taught your son to respect women as your parents failed to do. Good luck at Hawks tryouts next year... signed proud Hawks RN Dad

Did I hit a nerve? Truth hurts. Haha!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.

You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.

definitely not wrong

Not only are you wrong, but you're stubborn too. And I bet your wife is a pig. Must be a hawks dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.

You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.

definitely not wrong

Not only are you wrong, but you're stubborn too. And I bet your wife is a pig. Must be a hawks dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.

You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.

definitely not wrong

Not only are you wrong, but you're stubborn too. And I bet your wife is a pig. Must be a hawks dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.

You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.

definitely not wrong

Not only are you wrong, but you're stubborn too. And I bet your wife is a pig. Must be a hawks dad.

Says the the man of great courage hiding behind an anonymous post.. I hope you have taught your son to respect women as your parents failed to do. Good luck at Hawks tryouts next year... signed proud Hawks RN Dad

Did I hit a nerve? Truth hurts. Haha!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.

You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.

definitely not wrong

Not only are you wrong, but you're stubborn too. And I bet your wife is a pig. Must be a hawks dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.

You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.

definitely not wrong

Not only are you wrong, but you're stubborn too. And I bet your wife is a pig. Must be a hawks dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.

You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.

definitely not wrong

Not only are you wrong, but you're stubborn too. And I bet your wife is a pig. Must be a hawks dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you can teach kids to play defense in a zone or in a man, but I'm sure everyone on here is smarter than I am. I do think more teams will go to zone defenses with the rule changes.

You're wrong and I am definitely smarter than you.

definitely not wrong

Not only are you wrong, but you're stubborn too. And I bet your wife is a pig. Must be a hawks dad.

Says the the man of great courage hiding behind an anonymous post.. I hope you have taught your son to respect women as your parents failed to do. Good luck at Hawks tryouts next year... signed proud Hawks RN Dad

Did I hit a nerve? Truth hurts. Haha!

Not my wife big guy, just an all out ignorant statement by a small mind boy... have a great season on your “elite” B level team.

RN= RN

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is a Hawks RN dad?

registered nurse

RN

Originally Posted by Your wife is a pig

Not my wife big guy, just an all out ignorant statement by a small mind boy... have a great season on your “elite” B level team.

Yep definitely hit a nerve. Please learn how to use the quote feature so we don't all have to scroll for an hour to get to the comment.

You are the perfect example of a Hawks parent. I love it. I bet you get all red faced and angry when you read these comments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Your wife is a pig

Not my wife big guy, just an all out ignorant statement by a small mind boy... have a great season on your “elite” B level team.

Yep definitely hit a nerve. Please learn how to use the quote feature so we don't all have to scroll for an hour to get to the comment.

You are the perfect example of a Hawks parent. I love it. I bet you get all red faced and angry when you read these comments.

You guys crack me up on here arguing with anonymous people. I could post on here that I’m a parent of one of the DC dogs holdbacks and we were going to run every team over in HOCO this spring. Maybe I’m just a FLID on here causing trouble with the Maryland guys. I have to get my 9th grader ready for middle school in the morning good night fellas!!

Any idea how the 2023 divisions will be broken down this year? Elite, AA, A and B? Which teams will be Elite and AA?

If you are with the DC Dogs, then you mean you have to get your 10th grader reading for middle school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You guys crack me up on here arguing with anonymous people. I could post on here that I’m a parent of one of the DC dogs holdbacks and we were going to run every team over in HOCO this spring. Maybe I’m just a FLID on here causing trouble with the Maryland guys. I have to get my 9th grader ready for middle school in the morning good night fellas!!

Or maybe you are the 9th grader

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Your wife is a pig

Not my wife big guy, just an all out ignorant statement by a small mind boy... have a great season on your “elite” B level team.

Yep definitely hit a nerve. Please learn how to use the quote feature so we don't all have to scroll for an hour to get to the comment.

You are the perfect example of a Hawks parent. I love it. I bet you get all red faced and angry when you read these comments.

You guys crack me up on here arguing with anonymous people. I could post on here that I’m a parent of one of the DC dogs holdbacks and we were going to run every team over in HOCO this spring. Maybe I’m just a FLID on here causing trouble with the Maryland guys. I have to get my 9th grader ready for middle school in the morning good night fellas!!

I'm just trolling and having fun with the 'elite' Hawks RN's. I kind of got sick of all the holdback and zone posts so I figured I'd stir someone up.

Here is my prediction for this year, which is the only one that matters: Hawks finish no higher than third place in HOCO. stink on that Pig boy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Your wife is a pig

Not my wife big guy, just an all out ignorant statement by a small mind boy... have a great season on your “elite” B level team.

Yep definitely hit a nerve. Please learn how to use the quote feature so we don't all have to scroll for an hour to get to the comment.

You are the perfect example of a Hawks parent. I love it. I bet you get all red faced and angry when you read these comments.

You guys crack me up on here arguing with anonymous people. I could post on here that I’m a parent of one of the DC dogs holdbacks and we were going to run every team over in HOCO this spring. Maybe I’m just a FLID on here causing trouble with the Maryland guys. I have to get my 9th grader ready for middle school in the morning good night fellas!!

I'm just trolling and having fun with the 'elite' Hawks RN's. I kind of got sick of all the holdback and zone posts so I figured I'd stir someone up.

Here is my prediction for this year, which is the only one that matters: Hawks finish no higher than third place in HOCO. stink on that Pig boy.

Hopefully your right it would be great to have some competition this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any idea how the 2023 divisions will be broken down this year? Elite, AA, A and B? Which teams will be Elite and AA?

It will still be Elite AA A and B. Unless they make a super Elite and have two teams play each other every week I think it will be Hawks and DC Dogs in the finals as they could be in a higher group. Looney's FCA Crabs will be there for a playoff spot. Sounds like NL may have taken a step back and DCE was already heading south. Team 91 is not really Elite by record but they need an even number of teams. It might make sense to add teams in which case VLC and SR would be the two most likely based on records in AA. In my opinion three twelve team groups makes more it more fun. This is the last season and they should all play more teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any idea how the 2023 divisions will be broken down this year? Elite, AA, A and B? Which teams will be Elite and AA?

It will still be Elite AA A and B. Unless they make a super Elite and have two teams play each other every week I think it will be Hawks and DC Dogs in the finals as they could be in a higher group. Looney's FCA Crabs will be there for a playoff spot. Sounds like NL may have taken a step back and DCE was already heading south. Team 91 is not really Elite by record but they need an even number of teams. It might make sense to add teams in which case VLC and SR would be the two most likely based on records in AA. In my opinion three twelve team groups makes more it more fun. This is the last season and they should all play more teams.

Providing VLC/SR want to move up 10 team league could make sense. Two 5 team divisions based on last yrs results. Something like this-

div 1 - Hawks, Looneys, NL, BLC/DCE, VLC
div 2 - CB, Crabs, FCA, 91, SR

you play everyone in division plus 3 in other. inter-division games also based on last year. For example Hawks play CB Crabs FCA. VLC play FCA 91 SR, CB v Hawks Looneys NL, SR v VLC, BLC, NL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Your wife is a pig

Not my wife big guy, just an all out ignorant statement by a small mind boy... have a great season on your “elite” B level team.

Yep definitely hit a nerve. Please learn how to use the quote feature so we don't all have to scroll for an hour to get to the comment.

You are the perfect example of a Hawks parent. I love it. I bet you get all red faced and angry when you read these comments.

You guys crack me up on here arguing with anonymous people. I could post on here that I’m a parent of one of the DC dogs holdbacks and we were going to run every team over in HOCO this spring. Maybe I’m just a FLID on here causing trouble with the Maryland guys. I have to get my 9th grader ready for middle school in the morning good night fellas!!

I'm just trolling and having fun with the 'elite' Hawks RN's. I kind of got sick of all the holdback and zone posts so I figured I'd stir someone up.

Here is my prediction for this year, which is the only one that matters: Hawks finish no higher than third place in HOCO. stink on that Pig boy.

Hopefully your right it would be great to have some competition this year.

Interesting...that’s how all of the other teams who consistently won throughout the years thought of the Hawks. You didn’t even win your own tournament. Come back down to reality.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Your wife is a pig

Not my wife big guy, just an all out ignorant statement by a small mind boy... have a great season on your “elite” B level team.

Yep definitely hit a nerve. Please learn how to use the quote feature so we don't all have to scroll for an hour to get to the comment.

You are the perfect example of a Hawks parent. I love it. I bet you get all red faced and angry when you read these comments.

You guys crack me up on here arguing with anonymous people. I could post on here that I’m a parent of one of the DC dogs holdbacks and we were going to run every team over in HOCO this spring. Maybe I’m just a FLID on here causing trouble with the Maryland guys. I have to get my 9th grader ready for middle school in the morning good night fellas!!

I'm just trolling and having fun with the 'elite' Hawks RN's. I kind of got sick of all the holdback and zone posts so I figured I'd stir someone up.

Here is my prediction for this year, which is the only one that matters: Hawks finish no higher than third place in HOCO. stink on that Pig boy.

Hopefully your right it would be great to have some competition this year.

Interesting...that’s how all of the other teams who consistently won throughout the years thought of the Hawks. You didn’t even win your own tournament. Come back down to reality.

My kid is on the hawks and I agree they will not be as good as they have been in previous years. You could see things starting to change during the summer and they did not add enough talent for this years team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any idea how the 2023 divisions will be broken down this year? Elite, AA, A and B? Which teams will be Elite and AA?

It will still be Elite AA A and B. Unless they make a super Elite and have two teams play each other every week I think it will be Hawks and DC Dogs in the finals as they could be in a higher group. Looney's FCA Crabs will be there for a playoff spot. Sounds like NL may have taken a step back and DCE was already heading south. Team 91 is not really Elite by record but they need an even number of teams. It might make sense to add teams in which case VLC and SR would be the two most likely based on records in AA. In my opinion three twelve team groups makes more it more fun. This is the last season and they should all play more teams.

Providing VLC/SR want to move up 10 team league could make sense. Two 5 team divisions based on last yrs results. Something like this-

div 1 - Hawks, Looneys, NL, BLC/DCE, VLC
div 2 - CB, Crabs, FCA, 91, SR

you play everyone in division plus 3 in other. inter-division games also based on last year. For example Hawks play CB Crabs FCA. VLC play FCA 91 SR, CB v Hawks Looneys NL, SR v VLC, BLC, NL.

This is good idea. Let's hope someone at Howard Parks and Rec read this. However, I would keep the top teams from playing each other in season if at all possible. This would be good for Team 91 to possibly get a win and would make for a higher number of close games. If VLC or SR did not want to move up Breakers would agree.

Last year was 2023's best year by far. not sure how much more talent is needed this year. they dont even need a defense with the Goalies they have.

Originally Posted by ILovePigs

Last year was 2023's best year by far. not sure how much more talent is needed this year. they dont even need a defense with the Goalies they have.

Who are you talking about?[/quote]

Originally Posted by ILovePigs

Last year was 2023's best year by far. not sure how much more talent is needed this year. they dont even need a defense with the Goalies they have.

Fantastic user name!

Originally Posted by ILovePigs

Last year was 2023's best year by far. not sure how much more talent is needed this year. they dont even need a defense with the Goalies they have.

Really they only need the one attackman and the goalie and they can beat everyone in the history of lacrosse. Oh - and the Coach's kid... he'd be on the field for sure but wouldn't really do anything. But that's it, just those 3.

Originally Posted by ILovePigs

Last year was 2023's best year by far. not sure how much more talent is needed this year. they dont even need a defense with the Goalies they have.

With the cracker jack Zone Defense they have they really do not need a goalie

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any idea how the 2023 divisions will be broken down this year? Elite, AA, A and B? Which teams will be Elite and AA?

It will still be Elite AA A and B. Unless they make a super Elite and have two teams play each other every week I think it will be Hawks and DC Dogs in the finals as they could be in a higher group. Looney's FCA Crabs will be there for a playoff spot. Sounds like NL may have taken a step back and DCE was already heading south. Team 91 is not really Elite by record but they need an even number of teams. It might make sense to add teams in which case VLC and SR would be the two most likely based on records in AA. In my opinion three twelve team groups makes more it more fun. This is the last season and they should all play more teams.

Providing VLC/SR want to move up 10 team league could make sense. Two 5 team divisions based on last yrs results. Something like this-

div 1 - Hawks, Looneys, NL, BLC/DCE, VLC
div 2 - CB, Crabs, FCA, 91, SR

you play everyone in division plus 3 in other. inter-division games also based on last year. For example Hawks play CB Crabs FCA. VLC play FCA 91 SR, CB v Hawks Looneys NL, SR v VLC, BLC, NL.

This is good idea. Let's hope someone at Howard Parks and Rec read this. However, I would keep the top teams from playing each other in season if at all possible. This would be good for Team 91 to possibly get a win and would make for a higher number of close games. If VLC or SR did not want to move up Breakers would agree.

Leave it the way it was. AA was competitive with three 6-1 teams (VLC, Cannons, Cavs). VLC tried an Elite summer tournament schedule and big sub-500 nosedive with zero wins vs Elite competition. No need to change things. But totally agree that 2023 Elite finals will be Hawks and Madlax DC Dogs. With the two new kids from NL and kid playing up from Madlax 2024, my money is on the Dogs.

hopefully the first game of the season is the Hawks VS Dogs so we can move on from who is the "best" team this year topic. If HOCO stays with NCAA rules are they bring the dive back???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][

Here is my prediction for this year, which is the only one that matters: Hawks finish no higher than third place in HOCO. stink on that Pig boy.

Hopefully your right it would be great to have some competition this year.

Interesting...that’s how all of the other teams who consistently won throughout the years thought of the Hawks. You didn’t even win your own tournament. Come back down to reality.

My kid is on the hawks and I agree they will not be as good as they have been in previous years. You could see things starting to change during the summer and they did not add enough talent for this years team.

Got rid of some much needed dead weight and we added enough. Team will be better but yeah we didn't add enough difference maker holdbacks like others did

My kid is on the hawks and I agree they will not be as good as they have been in previous years. You could see things starting to change during the summer and they did not add enough talent for this years team. [/quote]

Got rid of some much needed dead weight and we added enough. Team will be better but yeah we didn't add enough difference maker holdbacks like others did[/quote]

Nice try guys... you aren't Hawks parents. just Trolls.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid is on the hawks and I agree they will not be as good as they have been in previous years. You could see things starting to change during the summer and they did not add enough talent for this years team.

Got rid of some much needed dead weight and we added enough. Team will be better but yeah we didn't add enough difference maker holdbacks like others did[/quote]

Nice try guys... you aren't Hawks parents. just Trolls.[/quote]

That's not true, I love pigs, I must be a hawks parent.

Great now my son is dead weight cant wait untill we play the dirty birds. Heard they were playing man defense this year..yea right when pigs fly!!

Which teams are playing at the Pilgrim tourney in OC?

Originally Posted by ILovePigs

Great now my son is dead weight cant wait untill we play the dirty birds. Heard they were playing man defense this year..yea right when pigs fly!!

Dead weight ? dirty birds ? man defense ? pigs fly ? Are these secret code words used in youth lacrosse?

Official -non Official 2023 rankings based by region based on posts here and my 13 year old Neighbor's greasy mom:

Baltimore/Towson:
1. ACS: Not sure who will be on the team but will be the best team in Mid Atlantic by adding some 2022's (cannot play the same time as the Hawks, Crabs, Looney's as they are made of these teams)
2. Crabs: Still a claw up on Looney's, FCA, after adding MIAA A varsity reclassed attack
3. Looney's: I have seen them play and the mom's look normal but the Pig lover has inside information that they a greasy. Team wins over FCA by virtue of head to head
4. FCA: Team is based on great principles and faith. However parents not so much. Strong team
5. Breakers: Heard this team is on the rise with new coaches
6. Team 91: Get some wins first and then they will rank higher
7. Koopers: Not sure Coach Petro gets them over the MM team
AA Co:
1. Hawks: The goalie is the best Quint Kessenich has seen at any level ever but he does not take any shots in actual games due to the impenetrable zone D. I have seen this team play many times and truth be told I am most impressed with the offensive play in the midfield.
2. Hawks bench players.
3. The kids who did not make Hawks
4. South River: A strong team of rec kids that is better than most clubs with great uniforms
5. PLC, API, and USS and other teams
Howard, Charles, PG:
1. The Howard Co. kids who play for Hawks and Crabs
2. Cannon's (?)
3. PGLC: Coaching is best in this region
4. Zingo's: Move to number one if Coach Petro moves there.
Mont. Co aka MOCO
1. DC Dogs by Mad Lax: Note in order to avoid legal action it is required to mention that the former Club Blue team is not a proud member of the Mad Lax family and not DC Dogs but Mad Lax even though they do not have the same colors. They did add many players from other MOCO teams and a 2024 playing up but was already playing down but by youth lax math is under the overage cutoff. It is not a age cut off but a grade cutoff but does not matter and the issue should never ever be discussed ever on BOTC at least for another two posts.
2. NL: Interesting to see if they have any players left.
3. DCE: Do any kids on DC Dogs (MAD LAX!!!) or DCE actually live in DC??
NEXT UP: Ranking for N.VA after a brief work break and some research on the VA teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Official -non Official 2023 rankings based by region based on posts here and my 13 year old Neighbor's greasy mom:

Baltimore/Towson:
1. ACS: Not sure who will be on the team but will be the best team in Mid Atlantic by adding some 2022's (cannot play the same time as the Hawks, Crabs, Looney's as they are made of these teams)
2. Crabs: Still a claw up on Looney's, FCA, after adding MIAA A varsity reclassed attack
3. Looney's: I have seen them play and the mom's look normal but the Pig lover has inside information that they a greasy. Team wins over FCA by virtue of head to head
4. FCA: Team is based on great principles and faith. However parents not so much. Strong team
5. Breakers: Heard this team is on the rise with new coaches
6. Team 91: Get some wins first and then they will rank higher
7. Koopers: Not sure Coach Petro gets them over the MM team
AA Co:
1. Hawks: The goalie is the best Quint Kessenich has seen at any level ever but he does not take any shots in actual games due to the impenetrable zone D. I have seen this team play many times and truth be told I am most impressed with the offensive play in the midfield.
2. Hawks bench players.
3. The kids who did not make Hawks
4. South River: A strong team of rec kids that is better than most clubs with great uniforms
5. PLC, API, and USS and other teams
Howard, Charles, PG:
1. The Howard Co. kids who play for Hawks and Crabs
2. Cannon's (?)
3. PGLC: Coaching is best in this region
4. Zingo's: Move to number one if Coach Petro moves there.
Mont. Co aka MOCO
1. DC Dogs by Mad Lax: Note in order to avoid legal action it is required to mention that the former Club Blue team is not a proud member of the Mad Lax family and not DC Dogs but Mad Lax even though they do not have the same colors. They did add many players from other MOCO teams and a 2024 playing up but was already playing down but by youth lax math is under the overage cutoff. It is not a age cut off but a grade cutoff but does not matter and the issue should never ever be discussed ever on BOTC at least for another two posts.
2. NL: Interesting to see if they have any players left.
3. DCE: Do any kids on DC Dogs (MAD LAX!!!) or DCE actually live in DC??
NEXT UP: Ranking for N.VA after a brief work break and some research on the VA teams.

Even though I am a Hawks parent and you poke some fun at us (my son is one of the offensively talented middies you sarcastically reference)... this is really funny stuff. Thank you!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Official -non Official 2023 rankings based by region based on posts here and my 13 year old Neighbor's greasy mom:

Baltimore/Towson:
1. ACS: Not sure who will be on the team but will be the best team in Mid Atlantic by adding some 2022's (cannot play the same time as the Hawks, Crabs, Looney's as they are made of these teams)
2. Crabs: Still a claw up on Looney's, FCA, after adding MIAA A varsity reclassed attack
3. Looney's: I have seen them play and the mom's look normal but the Pig lover has inside information that they a greasy. Team wins over FCA by virtue of head to head
4. FCA: Team is based on great principles and faith. However parents not so much. Strong team
5. Breakers: Heard this team is on the rise with new coaches
6. Team 91: Get some wins first and then they will rank higher
7. Koopers: Not sure Coach Petro gets them over the MM team
AA Co:
1. Hawks: The goalie is the best Quint Kessenich has seen at any level ever but he does not take any shots in actual games due to the impenetrable zone D. I have seen this team play many times and truth be told I am most impressed with the offensive play in the midfield.
2. Hawks bench players.
3. The kids who did not make Hawks
4. South River: A strong team of rec kids that is better than most clubs with great uniforms
5. PLC, API, and USS and other teams
Howard, Charles, PG:
1. The Howard Co. kids who play for Hawks and Crabs
2. Cannon's (?)
3. PGLC: Coaching is best in this region
4. Zingo's: Move to number one if Coach Petro moves there.
Mont. Co aka MOCO
1. DC Dogs by Mad Lax: Note in order to avoid legal action it is required to mention that the former Club Blue team is not a proud member of the Mad Lax family and not DC Dogs but Mad Lax even though they do not have the same colors. They did add many players from other MOCO teams and a 2024 playing up but was already playing down but by youth lax math is under the overage cutoff. It is not a age cut off but a grade cutoff but does not matter and the issue should never ever be discussed ever on BOTC at least for another two posts.
2. NL: Interesting to see if they have any players left.
3. DCE: Do any kids on DC Dogs (MAD LAX!!!) or DCE actually live in DC??
NEXT UP: Ranking for N.VA after a brief work break and some research on the VA teams.

Just stop after FCA. You realize Koopers was in HoCo B last year? And they needed a supplemental tryout this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Official -non Official 2023 rankings based by region based on posts here and my 13 year old Neighbor's greasy mom:

Baltimore/Towson:
1. ACS: Not sure who will be on the team but will be the best team in Mid Atlantic by adding some 2022's (cannot play the same time as the Hawks, Crabs, Looney's as they are made of these teams)
2. Crabs: Still a claw up on Looney's, FCA, after adding MIAA A varsity reclassed attack
3. Looney's: I have seen them play and the mom's look normal but the Pig lover has inside information that they a greasy. Team wins over FCA by virtue of head to head
4. FCA: Team is based on great principles and faith. However parents not so much. Strong team
5. Breakers: Heard this team is on the rise with new coaches
6. Team 91: Get some wins first and then they will rank higher
7. Koopers: Not sure Coach Petro gets them over the MM team
AA Co:
1. Hawks: The goalie is the best Quint Kessenich has seen at any level ever but he does not take any shots in actual games due to the impenetrable zone D. I have seen this team play many times and truth be told I am most impressed with the offensive play in the midfield.
2. Hawks bench players.
3. The kids who did not make Hawks
4. South River: A strong team of rec kids that is better than most clubs with great uniforms
5. PLC, API, and USS and other teams
Howard, Charles, PG:
1. The Howard Co. kids who play for Hawks and Crabs
2. Cannon's (?)
3. PGLC: Coaching is best in this region
4. Zingo's: Move to number one if Coach Petro moves there.
Mont. Co aka MOCO
1. DC Dogs by Mad Lax: Note in order to avoid legal action it is required to mention that the former Club Blue team is not a proud member of the Mad Lax family and not DC Dogs but Mad Lax even though they do not have the same colors. They did add many players from other MOCO teams and a 2024 playing up but was already playing down but by youth lax math is under the overage cutoff. It is not a age cut off but a grade cutoff but does not matter and the issue should never ever be discussed ever on BOTC at least for another two posts.
2. NL: Interesting to see if they have any players left.
3. DCE: Do any kids on DC Dogs (MAD LAX!!!) or DCE actually live in DC??
NEXT UP: Ranking for N.VA after a brief work break and some research on the VA teams.

Just stop after FCA. You realize Koopers was in HoCo B last year? And they needed a supplemental tryout this year.

Yea, But look who is coaching them now.. Heard he secured Dwan as D coach of team. They will be a formidable team with that coaching. And best of all, a couple of Hopkins recruits/players have reclassed several grades down to 2023.
Crabs with their reclassed MIAA Varsity players will be no match for Hopkins reclassed players, heard it here first folks! . ...But and this is a big But ,,,,, And I do not think this is fair at all....rumors are that several Chesapeake Bayhawks might be reclassing down. Come on , we need some standards, reclassing pros, lets draw the line somewhere people.

Just stop after FCA. You realize Koopers was in HoCo B last year? And they needed a supplemental tryout this year. [/quote]

Yea, But look who is coaching them now.. Heard he secured Dwan as D coach of team. They will be a formidable team with that coaching. And best of all, a couple of Hopkins recruits/players have reclassed several grades down to 2023.
Crabs with their reclassed MIAA Varsity players will be no match for Hopkins reclassed players, heard it here first folks! . ...But and this is a big But ,,,,, And I do not think this is fair at all....rumors are that several Chesapeake Bayhawks might be reclassing down. Come on , we need some standards, reclassing pros, lets draw the line somewhere people. [/quote]

2023 D Coach is a hack helicopter dad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Official -non Official 2023 rankings based by region based on posts here and my 13 year old Neighbor's greasy mom:

Baltimore/Towson:
1. ACS: Not sure who will be on the team but will be the best team in Mid Atlantic by adding some 2022's (cannot play the same time as the Hawks, Crabs, Looney's as they are made of these teams)
2. Crabs: Still a claw up on Looney's, FCA, after adding MIAA A varsity reclassed attack
3. Looney's: I have seen them play and the mom's look normal but the Pig lover has inside information that they a greasy. Team wins over FCA by virtue of head to head
4. FCA: Team is based on great principles and faith. However parents not so much. Strong team
5. Breakers: Heard this team is on the rise with new coaches
6. Team 91: Get some wins first and then they will rank higher
7. Koopers: Not sure Coach Petro gets them over the MM team
AA Co:
1. Hawks: The goalie is the best Quint Kessenich has seen at any level ever but he does not take any shots in actual games due to the impenetrable zone D. I have seen this team play many times and truth be told I am most impressed with the offensive play in the midfield.
2. Hawks bench players.
3. The kids who did not make Hawks
4. South River: A strong team of rec kids that is better than most clubs with great uniforms
5. PLC, API, and USS and other teams
Howard, Charles, PG:
1. The Howard Co. kids who play for Hawks and Crabs
2. Cannon's (?)
3. PGLC: Coaching is best in this region
4. Zingo's: Move to number one if Coach Petro moves there.
Mont. Co aka MOCO
1. DC Dogs by Mad Lax: Note in order to avoid legal action it is required to mention that the former Club Blue team is not a proud member of the Mad Lax family and not DC Dogs but Mad Lax even though they do not have the same colors. They did add many players from other MOCO teams and a 2024 playing up but was already playing down but by youth lax math is under the overage cutoff. It is not a age cut off but a grade cutoff but does not matter and the issue should never ever be discussed ever on BOTC at least for another two posts.
2. NL: Interesting to see if they have any players left.
3. DCE: Do any kids on DC Dogs (MAD LAX!!!) or DCE actually live in DC??
NEXT UP: Ranking for N.VA after a brief work break and some research on the VA teams.

After very thorough research here is the official unofficial list of the top youth lacrosse teams in VA:

1.

It will be interesting to watch the 2023 age group this fall as play dates and tournaments start. The following teams: Lax factory, Wolfpack, BLC, and Club Blue will now be wearing 3d, True, Express, and Madlax uniforms. Will the play and overall player experience be better, worse, the same? The one certainty is that collectively all of these parents had to pay much higher fees for youth lacrosse. I also noticed that Duke's VA is playing the MD Lax Tournament. I will like to see how the smaller local clubs do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It will be interesting to watch the 2023 age group this fall as play dates and tournaments start. The following teams: Lax factory, Wolfpack, BLC, and Club Blue will now be wearing 3d, True, Express, and Madlax uniforms. Will the play and overall player experience be better, worse, the same? The one certainty is that collectively all of these parents had to pay much higher fees for youth lacrosse. I also noticed that Duke's VA is playing the MD Lax Tournament. I will like to see how the smaller local clubs do.

Why do you say “these parents had to much higher fees for youth lacrosse”? What is your basis?

Because several are national brands... definitely was the case for the parents moving to 3D.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It will be interesting to watch the 2023 age group this fall as play dates and tournaments start. The following teams: Lax factory, Wolfpack, BLC, and Club Blue will now be wearing 3d, True, Express, and Madlax uniforms. Will the play and overall player experience be better, worse, the same? The one certainty is that collectively all of these parents had to pay much higher fees for youth lacrosse. I also noticed that Duke's VA is playing the MD Lax Tournament. I will like to see how the smaller local clubs do.

Why do you say “these parents had to much higher fees for youth lacrosse”? What is your basis?

I have an older kids and a 2023 and after trying out and getting offers for a few teams I am familiar with what some of these teams charge. It is a logical assumption that the national programs with marketing directors and full time office staffs and elaborate networks need to charge more than the local team coached by dads. That is not saying there is not a benefit to a large club in terms of opportunity but it will just be interesting to watch. At this age group the impact is very different from even last season.

I'm looking for a great goalie coach for 1-on-1 lessons in the DC area. Any advice appreciated

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It will be interesting to watch the 2023 age group this fall as play dates and tournaments start. The following teams: Lax factory, Wolfpack, BLC, and Club Blue will now be wearing 3d, True, Express, and Madlax uniforms. Will the play and overall player experience be better, worse, the same? The one certainty is that collectively all of these parents had to pay much higher fees for youth lacrosse. I also noticed that Duke's VA is playing the MD Lax Tournament. I will like to see how the smaller local clubs do.

Why do you say “these parents had to much higher fees for youth lacrosse”? What is your basis?

I have an older kids and a 2023 and after trying out and getting offers for a few teams I am familiar with what some of these teams charge. It is a logical assumption that the national programs with marketing directors and full time office staffs and elaborate networks need to charge more than the local team coached by dads. That is not saying there is not a benefit to a large club in terms of opportunity but it will just be interesting to watch. At this age group the impact is very different from even last season.

So what do you understand to be the dues charged by True, 3D, and Express for the Maryland teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It will be interesting to watch the 2023 age group this fall as play dates and tournaments start. The following teams: Lax factory, Wolfpack, BLC, and Club Blue will now be wearing 3d, True, Express, and Madlax uniforms. Will the play and overall player experience be better, worse, the same? The one certainty is that collectively all of these parents had to pay much higher fees for youth lacrosse. I also noticed that Duke's VA is playing the MD Lax Tournament. I will like to see how the smaller local clubs do.

Why do you say “these parents had to much higher fees for youth lacrosse”? What is your basis?

I have an older kids and a 2023 and after trying out and getting offers for a few teams I am familiar with what some of these teams charge. It is a logical assumption that the national programs with marketing directors and full time office staffs and elaborate networks need to charge more than the local team coached by dads. That is not saying there is not a benefit to a large club in terms of opportunity but it will just be interesting to watch. At this age group the impact is very different from even last season.

No - all clubs will charge as much as they can until they don't have enough kids to field a team. It all depends on what the market will bear.

Hoco, Kelly Post, Catonsville, Green Hornets, Hereford, etc., are offshoots of rec or travel teams and will be cheaper, but you will generally have to play on their rec/travel team in the spring in order to do their club games in the summer.

The "rec" type clubs charge anywhere from $350 to $450 a season maybe less in fall combined under $1000 for the year. The non national clubs, Crabs, Hawks ect... about $2500 and some of the National clubs closer to $4k with box and/or winter training some are closer to $5K not including travel ect....For many parents, especially those already paying $20K per year for school this is not even a consideration but for some it makes a difference.

Crabs is $2150 this year. But you get a lot of gear. Helmets, gloves, lot of Nike clothes, discounted Nike cleats. FCA charges $2500 and you get no helmet, no gloves, etc. Shooter shirt, uniform and sweats. Prices vary but all clubs offer different things.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The "rec" type clubs charge anywhere from $350 to $450 a season maybe less in fall combined under $1000 for the year. The non national clubs, Crabs, Hawks ect... about $2500 and some of the National clubs closer to $4k with box and/or winter training some are closer to $5K not including travel ect....For many parents, especially those already paying $20K per year for school this is not even a consideration but for some it makes a difference.

So much misinformation in this post.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs is $2150 this year. But you get a lot of gear. Helmets, gloves, lot of Nike clothes, discounted Nike cleats. FCA charges $2500 and you get no helmet, no gloves, etc. Shooter shirt, uniform and sweats. Prices vary but all clubs offer different things.

Helmet and glove are not included with the registration dee, you stunad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs is $2150 this year. But you get a lot of gear. Helmets, gloves, lot of Nike clothes, discounted Nike cleats. FCA charges $2500 and you get no helmet, no gloves, etc. Shooter shirt, uniform and sweats. Prices vary but all clubs offer different things.

But the FCA dues include an overnight retreat that has nothing to do with lacrosse but does seek to convert kids to born again Christians.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The "rec" type clubs charge anywhere from $350 to $450 a season maybe less in fall combined under $1000 for the year. The non national clubs, Crabs, Hawks ect... about $2500 and some of the National clubs closer to $4k with box and/or winter training some are closer to $5K not including travel ect....For many parents, especially those already paying $20K per year for school this is not even a consideration but for some it makes a difference.

So much misinformation in this post.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The "rec" type clubs charge anywhere from $350 to $450 a season maybe less in fall combined under $1000 for the year. The non national clubs, Crabs, Hawks ect... about $2500 and some of the National clubs closer to $4k with box and/or winter training some are closer to $5K not including travel ect....For many parents, especially those already paying $20K per year for school this is not even a consideration but for some it makes a difference.

So much misinformation in this post.

Specifically what National club with a Maryland team charges $4000?

Here come the Hawks excuses....

Also, their super goalie... he stinks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here come the Hawks excuses....

Also, their super goalie... he stinks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here come the Hawks excuses....

Also, their super goalie... he stinks.

No excuses. You guys had a great game. We will get you next time that’s guarantee!!! Leave the goalie alone he was left out on an island by himself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here come the Hawks excuses....

Also, their super goalie... he stinks.

I’ll take my goalies over 1 and 0 any day and twice on Sunday! 1 and 0 are the bail out kings. HAHAHA! With that defense you guys have in front of them there’s no need to bail out. Don’t be scared. Hahaha!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here come the Hawks excuses....

Also, their super goalie... he stinks.

I’ll take my goalies over 1 and 0 any day and twice on Sunday! 1 and 0 are the bail out kings. HAHAHA! With that defense you guys have in front of them there’s no need to bail out. Don’t be scared. Hahaha!!!

I think you've been over served. Go home, you're drunk. Oh, wait - that's how you Hawks Dad's deal with those pigs at home. I get it now.

What was the score of the hawks game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here come the Hawks excuses....

Also, their super goalie... he stinks.

I’ll take my goalies over 1 and 0 any day and twice on Sunday! 1 and 0 are the bail out kings. HAHAHA! With that defense you guys have in front of them there’s no need to bail out. Don’t be scared. Hahaha!!!

I think you've been over served. Go home, you're drunk. Oh, wait - that's how you Hawks Dad's deal with those pigs at home. I get it now.

Why is it when the truth comes out everyone gets butt hurt. Its all over YouTube, you can see it for yourself. Bail King!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here come the Hawks excuses....

Also, their super goalie... he stinks.

No excuses. You guys had a great game. We will get you next time that’s guarantee!!! Leave the goalie alone he was left out on an island by himself.

We will see

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was the score of the hawks game

10-3 crabs

How was Long Island team?

I witnessed 5-6 hawks running to the parking lot before the crabs game. They must of been scared and the big one was driving himself RIDICULOUS!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I witnessed 5-6 hawks running to the parking lot before the crabs game. They must of been scared and the big one was driving himself RIDICULOUS!!!

You're an stunad. It is football season.

what tournament did crabs/hawks play in?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I witnessed 5-6 hawks running to the parking lot before the crabs game. They must of been scared and the big one was driving himself RIDICULOUS!!!

Either scared or had football games to get to. One or the other.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here come the Hawks excuses....

Also, their super goalie... he stinks.

I’ll take my goalies over 1 and 0 any day and twice on Sunday! 1 and 0 are the bail out kings. HAHAHA! With that defense you guys have in front of them there’s no need to bail out. Don’t be scared. Hahaha!!!

I think you've been over served. Go home, you're drunk. Oh, wait - that's how you Hawks Dad's deal with those pigs at home. I get it now.

Why is it when the truth comes out everyone gets butt hurt. Its all over YouTube, you can see it for yourself. Bail King!!!

Sounds like dads for goalies on both teams going at it

That was my son driving he only has his permit. I over indulged on the mimosas at the tailgate ... if you have seen my wife you would understand!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I witnessed 5-6 hawks running to the parking lot before the crabs game. They must of been scared and the big one was driving himself RIDICULOUS!!!

You're an stunad. It is football season.

Youth football plays games on Saturday.

Scores guys??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I witnessed 5-6 hawks running to the parking lot before the crabs game. They must of been scared and the big one was driving himself RIDICULOUS!!!

You're an stunad. It is football season.

Youth football plays games on Saturday.

incorrect- check out the AA county and Kent County websites if you must. Sometimes Saturdays, Sometimes Sundays. Yesterday (sunday) county rec teams played. Clearly, you son does not play county football. A little googling would have saved you a post.

Either way
Maryland wins the day

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I witnessed 5-6 hawks running to the parking lot before the crabs game. They must of been scared and the big one was driving himself RIDICULOUS!!!

You're an stunad. It is football season.

Youth football plays games on Saturday.

incorrect- check out the AA county and Kent County websites if you must. Sometimes Saturdays, Sometimes Sundays. Yesterday (sunday) county rec teams played. Clearly, you son does not play county football. A little googling would have saved you a post.

Football checks birth certificates... how can all of these holdback kids play? Interesting.

How did team 91 do up in PA yesterday? Played Freedom, Rising Sons, and Patriot

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I witnessed 5-6 hawks running to the parking lot before the crabs game. They must of been scared and the big one was driving himself RIDICULOUS!!!

You're an stunad. It is football season.

Youth football plays games on Saturday.

incorrect- check out the AA county and Kent County websites if you must. Sometimes Saturdays, Sometimes Sundays. Yesterday (sunday) county rec teams played. Clearly, you son does not play county football. A little googling would have saved you a post.

Football checks birth certificates... how can all of these holdback kids play? Interesting.

indeed- it is a wide ranging conspiracy that all those 8th grade hawks kids are holdbacks for lacrosse AND football.. . crazy. . .everyone is in cahoots to win lacrosse tourneys and then the coveted county rec football championship. yes, that must be it. unless, wait for it, they are on age. whoa. . .

Because they are only holdbacks in your imagination. But in fact you have to provide three forms of verification in some leagues. Maybe they had makeup HS games ...

Crabs looked good yesterday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did team 91 do up in PA yesterday? Played Freedom, Rising Sons, and Patriot

Didn't see the Rising Sons game but I am going to assume 91 won - Rising Sons is still developing as a team.
91 tied Patriot after being down 4 - 1 at the half.
Freedom beat Patriot 7-6. Freedom looked sloppy,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs looked good yesterday.

The attackman repeating 8th grade helps.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs looked good yesterday.

Scores???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That was my son driving he only has his permit. I over indulged on the mimosas at the tailgate ... if you have seen my wife you would understand!!!

^^^ This guy gets it!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did team 91 do up in PA yesterday? Played Freedom, Rising Sons, and Patriot

Didn't see the Rising Sons game but I am going to assume 91 won - Rising Sons is still developing as a team.
91 tied Patriot after being down 4 - 1 at the half.
Freedom beat Patriot 7-6. Freedom looked sloppy,

Freedom went 3-0... Sloppy come on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was the score of the hawks game

10-3 crabs

So much for that zone D and great goalie now that kids can shoot from the outside. Better learn how to play man D now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did team 91 do up in PA yesterday? Played Freedom, Rising Sons, and Patriot

Didn't see the Rising Sons game but I am going to assume 91 won - Rising Sons is still developing as a team.
91 tied Patriot after being down 4 - 1 at the half.
Freedom beat Patriot 7-6. Freedom looked sloppy,

So is 91 Md

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was the score of the hawks game

10-3 crabs

So much for that zone D and great goalie now that kids can shoot from the outside. Better learn how to play man D now.

They played man D in first half. It was ugly so they went zone. That was ugly so they went back to man. Wonder what they are going to do now that they are out of options.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was the score of the hawks game

10-3 crabs

So much for that zone D and great goalie now that kids can shoot from the outside. Better learn how to play man D now.

They played man D in first half. It was ugly so they went zone. That was ugly so they went back to man. Wonder what they are going to do now that they are out of options.

Is it too early to suggest maybe the Hawks play AA in HOCO this spring?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was the score of the hawks game

10-3 crabs

So much for that zone D and great goalie now that kids can shoot from the outside. Better learn how to play man D now.

Hawks had a good portion of their team missing for the game. Keep celebrating while you can though. You won’t have the chance again. Glad to see your coach didn’t keel over, it looked like it was touch and go there for awhile.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did team 91 do up in PA yesterday? Played Freedom, Rising Sons, and Patriot

Didn't see the Rising Sons game but I am going to assume 91 won - Rising Sons is still developing as a team.
91 tied Patriot after being down 4 - 1 at the half.
Freedom beat Patriot 7-6. Freedom looked sloppy,

So is 91 Md

Just a correction

Freedom beat 91 7-6. I think they beat Patriot 7-0.

Dont get all excited its fal ball Crabs dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did team 91 do up in PA yesterday? Played Freedom, Rising Sons, and Patriot

Didn't see the Rising Sons game but I am going to assume 91 won - Rising Sons is still developing as a team.
91 tied Patriot after being down 4 - 1 at the half.
Freedom beat Patriot 7-6. Freedom looked sloppy,

Freedom beat Patriot 8-0

Crabs players are man-sized, faster, and stronger. Their starters can literally run circles around 75% of their opponents' starters. They simply outmatched the other teams on Sunday. The Hawks top attack and goalie had bad days but it is still a HOCO Elite team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was the score of the hawks game

10-3 crabs

So much for that zone D and great goalie now that kids can shoot from the outside. Better learn how to play man D now.

Hawks had a good portion of their team missing for the game. Keep celebrating while you can though. You won’t have the chance again. Glad to see your coach didn’t keel over, it looked like it was touch and go there for awhile.

Like I said... here come the excuses. They were missing 4 kids, 2 who were contributors. They would not have made a 7 goal difference. Hawks parents on the sidelines were hilarious to watch as the reality set in that their days of winning with gimmicky defensive schemes and holdback players vanished before their eyes. Now we get to see if the Hawks coaches can actually coach and develop players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs players are man-sized, faster, and stronger. Their starters can literally run circles around 75% of their opponents' starters. They simply outmatched the other teams on Sunday. The Hawks top attack and goalie had bad days but it is still a HOCO Elite team.

Obviously the comment about Hawks dropping down was a joke. Last fall 91 beat Club Blue

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was the score of the hawks game

10-3 crabs

So much for that zone D and great goalie now that kids can shoot from the outside. Better learn how to play man D now.

Hawks had a good portion of their team missing for the game. Keep celebrating while you can though. You won’t have the chance again. Glad to see your coach didn’t keel over, it looked like it was touch and go there for awhile.

Like I said... here come the excuses. They were missing 4 kids, 2 who were contributors. They would not have made a 7 goal difference. Hawks parents on the sidelines were hilarious to watch as the reality set in that their days of winning with gimmicky defensive schemes and holdback players vanished before their eyes. Now we get to see if the Hawks coaches can actually coach and develop players.

No excuses we played terrible, actually they were missing 7 guys from that game. Enjoy the win you were the better team on Sunday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs players are man-sized, faster, and stronger. Their starters can literally run circles around 75% of their opponents' starters. They simply outmatched the other teams on Sunday. The Hawks top attack and goalie had bad days but it is still a HOCO Elite team.

Goalie and Top Attack had bad days? Neither were there against the Crabs and both played well in the early games. Hawks lefty attack is also injured. You Hawks haters may want to relax a bit. They may not be quite as dominant as last year but they are definitely one of the top 2 teams in HoCo. Not even a question.

Crabs does not develop players. They import and reclassify. Then crabmam claims credit every year coaching the 8th grade team on 9th grade age kids.

Crabs Dads + Hawks Dad = ???

Solve the equation

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs Dads + Hawks Dad = ???

Solve the equation

I’m terrible at solving riddles...please enlighten us with you infinite wisdom

Express Dad here. Just wanted to provide some insight in regards to what was observed during Sunday’s play day. The Hawks came out way to arrogant and cocky. They played sloppy and disinterested. There main goalie made zero saves, FOGO was 50% at best, offense looked crappy and of course the zone D. A couple of bright spots was there new D pole and goalie. The played solid. The only reason we loss was because of those two guys.

The Crabs came out to play! They look like they were in mid-season form. They looked like they wanted to make a point and boy did they! Crabs were big, strong and fast.

Tiny PP's?

How did the crabs do against the other teams in the playday?

I hear the Hawks best 4/5 kids left to go to a Football game. Including the starting goalie and too attackman.

Also, it’s October. Chill Crabs and Hawks dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express Dad here. Just wanted to provide some insight in regards to what was observed during Sunday’s play day. The Hawks came out way to arrogant and cocky. They played sloppy and disinterested. There main goalie made zero saves, FOGO was 50% at best, offense looked crappy and of course the zone D. A couple of bright spots was there new D pole and goalie. The played solid. The only reason we loss was because of those two guys.

The Crabs came out to play! They look like they were in mid-season form. They looked like they wanted to make a point and boy did they! Crabs were big, strong and fast.

Get a life Ryan.

Express Dad here. Just wanted to provide some insight in regards to what was observed during Sunday’s play day. The Hawks came out way to arrogant and cocky. They played sloppy and disinterested. There main goalie made zero saves, FOGO was 50% at best, offense looked crappy and of course the zone D. A couple of bright spots was there new D pole and goalie. The played solid. The only reason we loss was because of those two guys.

The Crabs came out to play! They look like they were in mid-season form. They looked like they wanted to make a point and boy did they! Crabs were big, strong and fast.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express Dad here. Just wanted to provide some insight in regards to what was observed during Sunday’s play day. The Hawks came out way to arrogant and cocky. They played sloppy and disinterested. There main goalie made zero saves, FOGO was 50% at best, offense looked crappy and of course the zone D. A couple of bright spots was there new D pole and goalie. The played solid. The only reason we loss was because of those two guys.

The Crabs came out to play! They look like they were in mid-season form. They looked like they wanted to make a point and boy did they! Crabs were big, strong and fast.

Go back to the NY forum no one here wants your opinion. If i had had to guess your one of three 1. New goalies dad
2. New D-pole dad
3. FLID

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express Dad here. Just wanted to provide some insight in regards to what was observed during Sunday’s play day. The Hawks came out way to arrogant and cocky. They played sloppy and disinterested. There main goalie made zero saves, FOGO was 50% at best, offense looked crappy and of course the zone D. A couple of bright spots was there new D pole and goalie. The played solid. The only reason we loss was because of those two guys.

The Crabs came out to play! They look like they were in mid-season form. They looked like they wanted to make a point and boy did they! Crabs were big, strong and fast.

Thanks, new Hawks goalie Dad.

Stop trolling your new team. Not a good look.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express Dad here. Just wanted to provide some insight in regards to what was observed during Sunday’s play day. The Hawks came out way to arrogant and cocky. They played sloppy and disinterested. There main goalie made zero saves, FOGO was 50% at best, offense looked crappy and of course the zone D. A couple of bright spots was there new D pole and goalie. The played solid. The only reason we loss was because of those two guys.

The Crabs came out to play! They look like they were in mid-season form. They looked like they wanted to make a point and boy did they! Crabs were big, strong and fast.

Good Job Ryan

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express Dad here. Just wanted to provide some insight in regards to what was observed during Sunday’s play day. The Hawks came out way to arrogant and cocky. They played sloppy and disinterested. There main goalie made zero saves, FOGO was 50% at best, offense looked crappy and of course the zone D. A couple of bright spots was there new D pole and goalie. The played solid. The only reason we loss was because of those two guys.

The Crabs came out to play! They look like they were in mid-season form. They looked like they wanted to make a point and boy did they! Crabs were big, strong and fast.

^^^ He speaketh the truth!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express Dad here. Just wanted to provide some insight in regards to what was observed during Sunday’s play day. The Hawks came out way to arrogant and cocky. They played sloppy and disinterested. There main goalie made zero saves, FOGO was 50% at best, offense looked crappy and of course the zone D. A couple of bright spots was there new D pole and goalie. The played solid. The only reason we loss was because of those two guys.

The Crabs came out to play! They look like they were in mid-season form. They looked like they wanted to make a point and boy did they! Crabs were big, strong and fast.

Thanks, new Hawks goalie Dad.

Stop trolling your new team. Not a good look.

Oh No, Hawks' Dads in fighting. Sounds like HOCO AA is in there future!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express Dad here. Just wanted to provide some insight in regards to what was observed during Sunday’s play day. The Hawks came out way to arrogant and cocky. They played sloppy and disinterested. There main goalie made zero saves, FOGO was 50% at best, offense looked crappy and of course the zone D. A couple of bright spots was there new D pole and goalie. The played solid. The only reason we loss was because of those two guys.

The Crabs came out to play! They look like they were in mid-season form. They looked like they wanted to make a point and boy did they! Crabs were big, strong and fast.

Thanks, new Hawks goalie Dad.

Stop trolling your new team. Not a good look.

Oh No, Hawks' Dads in fighting. Sounds like HOCO AA is in there future!!!

I sure hope so... if not we will have a long season playing with the “elite” teams. Did anyone ever figure out the riddle?

Crazy how many players are being heldback in 8th grade. Will be fun seeing who has the biggest players this year.
Great talent at this level with all these 9th graders...i mean 8th graders

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crazy how many players are being heldback in 8th grade. Will be fun seeing who has the biggest players this year.
Great talent at this level with all these 9th graders...i mean 8th graders

There were already plenty of 2023 boys a year older that did prefirst or repeated as middle school grade. Everyone knows the McD game. Some parents even do it and hide the kid at St James or parish schools.

that's why we call them HOLD BACK CHEATERS!!!!! I'm sorry there in the rules

Originally Posted by Anonymous

that's why we call them HOLD BACK CHEATERS!!!!! I'm sorry there in the rules

Nothing wrong with what they are doing. Clearly within the rules. There is no reason that a player shouldnt be one to two years older than the majority of players they go against. They are on grade. End of story.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

that's why we call them HOLD BACK CHEATERS!!!!! I'm sorry there in the rules

Whats going to be your excuse next year in HS when theres a four year age difference between FR-SR ???

Originally Posted by ILovePigs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

that's why we call them HOLD BACK CHEATERS!!!!! I'm sorry there in the rules

Whats going to be your excuse next year in HS when theres a four year age difference between FR-SR ???

Technically it could be a 5 year difference between his snowflake freshman and a holdback cheater senior.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by ILovePigs

[quote=Anonymous]that's why we call them HOLD BACK CHEATERS!!!!! I'm sorry there in the rules

Whats going to be your excuse next year in HS when theres a four year age difference between FR-SR ???

Technically it could be a 5 year difference between his snowflake freshman and a holdback cheater senior

My son is on age and I have no problem with holdbacks. To each his own. I find that the majority of the parents that complain about it have children that cant play at a high level but cant put their own ego aside and play where they would be more competitive.

Originally Posted by ILovePigs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by ILovePigs

[quote=Anonymous]that's why we call them HOLD BACK CHEATERS!!!!! I'm sorry there in the rules

Whats going to be your excuse next year in HS when theres a four year age difference between FR-SR ???

Technically it could be a 5 year difference between his snowflake freshman and a holdback cheater senior

My son is on age and I have no problem with holdbacks. To each his own. I find that the majority of the parents that complain about it have children that cant play at a high level but cant put their own ego aside and play where they would be more competitive.

You and Pocahontas. Same myth. It’s the holdbacks that can play on the level. Your holdback is the one who needs the extra year. And you that do it are chasing the dream. Try steroids next.

Originally Posted by ILovePigs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=ILovePigs][quote=Anonymous]that's why we call them HOLD BACK CHEATERS!!!!! I'm sorry there in the rules

Whats going to be your excuse next year in
My son is on age and I have no problem with holdbacks. To each his own. I find that the majority of the parents that complain about it have children that cant play at a high level but cant put their own ego aside and play where they would be more competitive.

“Play where they would be most competitive” you say referring to on age kids.... does that also apply to justify snowflake holdback and his dad’s ego - repeat a year of school so you can compete against younger players? Your statement sounds like Hillary Clinton being the face of me too and defending her husband’s misconduct. It’s called hyprocrisy.

Love it ...no excuse for the holdbacks!!!!Yeah let’s leave my kid back a year for lacrosse...haha...let me pump up my chest as my 9th grader plays against some kids who haven’t reached puberty yet...Really looking out for the best interests of your kid....

Last three posters = same guy.

Isn’t rec lax and aren’t all rec sports structured with 2 year age gaps (5-6th grade then 7-8th grade)? As the parent of on age sons, the holdback argument is purely a parent ego problem. At this age it’s especially sensitive because of puberty and the differences in development. So for all those parents/sons out there feeling low about playing in or not playing in the Elite division against bigger/better players, don’t stress just keep practicing. Play on a team where you get good coaching, where you get ample playing time, and you have fun with your teammates because eventually your later development will even itself out and college recruiters will still be watching.

No excuses then but this is youth lacrosse. If you want to play elite(AAA) expect hold backs. AA a couple of hold backs. If HOLDBACKS are playing A or B thats called CHEATING.

All Pal leagues in NY are based on 1 grade. Even Quint Kessenich from ESPN called you guys out on your inability to field competitive teams in the WSYL because you can't play holdbacks. Here we go... let the WSYL haters chime in ( but no matter how you feel...it is a true measure of a team, based on legitimate age markers) Yes the holdback issue goes away once they get into High School... but overall 6/7/8 graders playing kids a year or two older is a big deal. There is no need for it now due to new NCAA regulations. As someone said earlier, talent will overcome size later on.. Just keep telling yourself that holding back your youngster is ok. Sounds more like it is feeding your ego to me. BTW I only posted #274593 above....Sorry not the same person

the best part is when privileged entitled junior is a perfirst or holdback but still can’t start on his club team and everyone knows it. And hammerhead dad is standing on the sideline head to toe in team gear while the others are laughing behind his back. But he is on hear running his mouth.

This is why it matters at in youth. Try to keep up. Assume all kids are the same age and a 2023 team has 23 spots. Fair competition. Now assume 5-10 snowflakes do an extra year of school. They have an unfair advantage for the 2023 team. Now let’s look at high school. Assume on age kids for 9-12 grade for say 30 spots for V and 30 for JV. Fair competition. But now assume 5-10 kids each grade have done an extra year of school. Fair competition. Even you ha,mere heads can see the holdbacks now in 12th grade should have graduated, and those in 10th should be in 11th therefore ineligible for JV.

Look. Can't we all stop arguing about holdbacks and snowflakes and find something we can all agree on? Like the fact that Hawks mom's are pigs, or that Hawks dad's are red necks?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is why it matters at in youth. Try to keep up. Assume all kids are the same age and a 2023 team has 23 spots. Fair competition. Now assume 5-10 snowflakes do an extra year of school. They have an unfair advantage for the 2023 team. Now let’s look at high school. Assume on age kids for 9-12 grade for say 30 spots for V and 30 for JV. Fair competition. But now assume 5-10 kids each grade have done an extra year of school. Fair competition. Even you ha,mere heads can see the holdbacks now in 12th grade should have graduated, and those in 10th should be in 11th therefore ineligible for JV.

Holdbacks/reclass/prefirst works for many as you stated above.

Does it work for all..of course not. But it does help good players who would be average on age become superstars in youth...Then a smaller advantage in High School over other good players as holdbacks are older. The holdback will never be better than true on age very good athletic player after puberty, but the holdback will be better than the many average to good players in lacrosse. Lets face it, Majority of players are average to good,,,basketball, football, Hockey,Baseball get the true superstar athletics, lacrosse gets a few of these and the rest are average good. And holding back helps all the way to college for these players. This issue wont go away, only get worst.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look. Can't we all stop arguing about holdbacks and snowflakes and find something we can all agree on? Like the fact that Hawks mom's are pigs, or that Hawks dad's are red necks?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look. Can't we all stop arguing about holdbacks and snowflakes and find something we can all agree on? Like the fact that Hawks mom's are pigs, or that Hawks dad's are red necks?

You are probably a Hawks dad trolling his own team.

The Hawks team that played at UMD today was 2023 or 2024? They were not so impressive if 2023.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks team that played at UMD today was 2023 or 2024? They were not so impressive if 2023.

Don’t worry Looney’s we will put up 15 next time we see you!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks team that played at UMD today was 2023 or 2024? They were not so impressive if 2023.

2022

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks team that played at UMD today was 2023 or 2024? They were not so impressive if 2023.

All the teams looked unimpressive today.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks team that played at UMD today was 2023 or 2024? They were not so impressive if 2023.

All the teams looked unimpressive today.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks team that played at UMD today was 2023 or 2024? They were not so impressive if 2023.

Fall Ball... they weren't that impressive last fall either. The gap has been eliminated but they will still be very good. Guarantee they lose at least one HoCo game. Crabs!!

Originally Posted by ILovePigs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks team that played at UMD today was 2023 or 2024? They were not so impressive if 2023.

All the teams looked unimpressive today.

Sloppy play in the stadium wind tunnel.

For those who think the holdback issue goes away during HS, you couldnt be any further off base. The hold back issue continues through College. if you have nephews or older children just compare how they are at 16/17 to what they are at 21/22 not the same person so yes players continue to mature both mentally and physically. Each year between 16-23 a male continues to grow, maybe not in Height but in things like strength absolutely!

A 19 year old freshman in fall ball is much different that a 17 year old. a 20 year Sophomore is much different than a 18 year freshman. Or better yet a 21 year old Jr is the same as a 21 year old Sr.

Holdbacks and pre-first will continue to have an advantage though college. I have an on age boy, he looks around at the boys a grade younger than him and just laughs, as most played with him when he was younger, some are even older than he is. All great athletes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks team that played at UMD today was 2023 or 2024? They were not so impressive if 2023.

This is because the daddy ball coaching isn't developing the team and the elementary school zone defense doesn't work anymore.

My on age son will get the same scholarship as your hold back son but you paid an extra $30,000 tuition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks team that played at UMD today was 2023 or 2024? They were not so impressive if 2023.

This is because the daddy ball coaching isn't developing the team and the elementary school zone defense doesn't work anymore.

Why do you care how they coach or what D they play? Does your son play for them? If so stop hiding behind a forum and speak up for your son. Its fall ball and i dont think any coach takes it as serious as the parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My on age son will get the same scholarship as your hold back son but you paid an extra $30,000 tuition.

^^^ Another guy who gets it. Or maybe just the same guy.

Originally Posted by ILovePigs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks team that played at UMD today was 2023 or 2024? They were not so impressive if 2023.

This is because the daddy ball coaching isn't developing the team and the elementary school zone defense doesn't work anymore.

Why do you care how they coach or what D they play? Does your son play for them? If so stop hiding behind a forum and speak up for your son. Its fall ball and i dont think any coach takes it as serious as the parents.

Because I love pigs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by ILovePigs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks team that played at UMD today was 2023 or 2024? They were not so impressive if 2023.

All the teams looked unimpressive today.

Sloppy play in the stadium wind tunnel.

Is it too soon to suggest that maybe the Hawks need to check out the Aloha Tournament website when selecting events for this summer?

Originally Posted by ILovePigs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks team that played at UMD today was 2023 or 2024? They were not so impressive if 2023.

This is because the daddy ball coaching isn't developing the team and the elementary school zone defense doesn't work anymore.

Why do you care how they coach or what D they play? Does your son play for them? If so stop hiding behind a forum and speak up for your son. Its fall ball and i dont think any coach takes it as serious as the parents.

Anyone who comes to this forum takes it seriously. You're sorely mistaken if you think the Hawks coaches don't take wins and losses seriously.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by ILovePigs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks team that played at UMD today was 2023 or 2024? They were not so impressive if 2023.

This is because the daddy ball coaching isn't developing the team and the elementary school zone defense doesn't work anymore.

Why do you care how they coach or what D they play? Does your son play for them? If so stop hiding behind a forum and speak up for your son. Its fall ball and i dont think any coach takes it as serious as the parents.

Anyone who comes to this forum takes it seriously. You're sorely mistaken if you think the Hawks coaches don't take wins and losses seriously.

So what's up with the Hawks? Were their star players not there on Sunday? Did they lose kids in the offseason?

Why is there so much chatter on this forum about the demise of the 2023 hawks?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is there so much chatter on this forum about the demise of the 2023 hawks?

Jealousy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is there so much chatter on this forum about the demise of the 2023 hawks?

Jealousy

Wishful thinking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by ILovePigs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks team that played at UMD today was 2023 or 2024? They were not so impressive if 2023.

All the teams looked unimpressive today.

Sloppy play in the stadium wind tunnel.

Is it too soon to suggest that maybe the Hawks need to check out the Aloha Tournament website when selecting events for this summer?

OUCH ! Thats a Low Blow !!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by ILovePigs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks team that played at UMD today was 2023 or 2024? They were not so impressive if 2023.

All the teams looked unimpressive today.

Sloppy play in the stadium wind tunnel.

Is it too soon to suggest that maybe the Hawks need to check out the Aloha Tournament website when selecting events for this summer?

OUCH ! Thats a Low Blow !!

Why all the hate towards the Hawks? I know some of its just joking around and being funny (notice my name). I’m really starting to believe there is some ill will towards this team. Is it because they dominated HOCO last year because the year before they were not that good. Who knows how this spring will turn out. I just hope the players dont come on here and see how immature everyone is including my self. How did all the other teams do yesterday at the Maryland play day?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is there so much chatter on this forum about the demise of the 2023 hawks?

Same reason that last year the talk was all about the demise of the 2023 crabs. People love to see the team on top fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is there so much chatter on this forum about the demise of the 2023 hawks?

Same reason that last year the talk was all about the demise of the 2023 crabs. People love to see the team on top fall.

Every year the 8th grade teams get the big chatter. Holdbacks are a huge issue as it is still a big advantage. People are still in the youth mode, where they think it actually matters if your team wins or loses. Look at the 9th, 10th , 11th grade teams..Some chatter, but not much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is there so much chatter on this forum about the demise of the 2023 hawks?

Because Crabs beat them once. In fall ball. The don’t know how to handle it. Don’t worry, it will go away soon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is there so much chatter on this forum about the demise of the 2023 hawks?

Because Crabs beat them once. In fall ball. The don’t know how to handle it. Don’t worry, it will go away soon.

Maybe. But your wife will still be a pig.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Why is there so much chatter on this forum about the demise of the 2023 hawks?

Same reason that last year the talk was all about the demise of the 2023 crabs. People love to see the team on top fall.

Well the Crabs did take a major step backwards last year from the prior two so that chatter was warranted and accurate. But that was because the entire midfield and coaching staff left. But they seems to have reloaded this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is there so much chatter on this forum about the demise of the 2023 hawks?

Because Crabs beat them once. In fall ball. The don’t know how to handle it. Don’t worry, it will go away soon.

Maybe. But your wife will still be a pig.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is there so much chatter on this forum about the demise of the 2023 hawks?

Because Crabs beat them once. In fall ball. The don’t know how to handle it. Don’t worry, it will go away soon.

Maybe. But your wife will still be a pig.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Why is there so much chatter on this forum about the demise of the 2023 hawks?

Because Crabs beat them once. In fall ball. The don’t know how to handle it. Don’t worry, it will go away soon.

Maybe. But your wife will still be a pig.[/quote

I am the Wife... you couldnt handle my bacon!!!

Calling all DC Express, VLC, Cavalier, Top Caliber, NVA and DC area 2023 players. Want to ditch your second tier clubs and play for BLACKWOLF 2023 next year? If so, sign up for the BLACKWOLF winter program. You can earn a spot NOW at the winter clinic. Serious, talented players only. If you or your mommy don't like a coach who will push you extremely hard to be your best, don't apply.

Register here ===> https://www.blackwolflacrosse.com/clinics-camps/

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Calling all DC Express, VLC, Cavalier, Top Caliber, NVA and DC area 2023 players. Want to ditch your second tier clubs and play for BLACKWOLF 2023 next year? If so, sign up for the BLACKWOLF winter program. You can earn a spot NOW at the winter clinic. Serious, talented players only. If you or your mommy don't like a coach who will push you extremely hard to be your best, don't apply.

Register here ===> https://www.blackwolflacrosse.com/clinics-camps/

Desperate and pathetic buyer beware.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Calling all DC Express, VLC, Cavalier, Top Caliber, NVA and DC area 2023 players. Want to ditch your second tier clubs and play for BLACKWOLF 2023 next year? If so, sign up for the BLACKWOLF winter program. You can earn a spot NOW at the winter clinic. Serious, talented players only. If you or your mommy don't like a coach who will push you extremely hard to be your best, don't apply.

Register here ===> https://www.blackwolflacrosse.com/clinics-camps/

Ok I can take a lot from this post not all bad but lots of things to talk about. I find it funny he left off Madlax when listing clubs? Why? But he added VLC?
He made a statement about be ready to deal with a mean/hard nose coach? Why?
Can we agree the 2023 group is the weakest or most spread out age group in all of DMV in a long time? Does any DMV team have a great team at this age?
Is Blackwolf losing the shine of the invite secret email, I saw you play and I think you would be great for Blackwolf?
Is Blackwolf going to start practicing and playing more?
Is Blackwolf going to take a public school kid or put the private school kids above them like the past?
Why is Blackwolf switching to the younger kid model? They where built on we are a High school club for only the best? ( which really meant we want all the kids already on the radar of the D1 teams come play with us and we will take credit for getting you D1. )

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Calling all DC Express, VLC, Cavalier, Top Caliber, NVA and DC area 2023 players. Want to ditch your second tier clubs and play for BLACKWOLF 2023 next year? If so, sign up for the BLACKWOLF winter program. You can earn a spot NOW at the winter clinic. Serious, talented players only. If you or your mommy don't like a coach who will push you extremely hard to be your best, don't apply.

Register here ===> https://www.blackwolflacrosse.com/clinics-camps/

Ok I can take a lot from this post not all bad but lots of things to talk about. I find it funny he left off Madlax when listing clubs? Why? But he added VLC?
He made a statement about be ready to deal with a mean/hard nose coach? Why?
Can we agree the 2023 group is the weakest or most spread out age group in all of DMV in a long time? Does any DMV team have a great team at this age?
Is Blackwolf losing the shine of the invite secret email, I saw you play and I think you would be great for Blackwolf?
Is Blackwolf going to start practicing and playing more?
Is Blackwolf going to take a public school kid or put the private school kids above them like the past?
Why is Blackwolf switching to the younger kid model? They where built on we are a High school club for only the best? ( which really meant we want all the kids already on the radar of the D1 teams come play with us and we will take credit for getting you D1. )

Also left out Next Level.

In DMV 2023, Madlax DC Dogs (formerly Club Blue) is by far the best. #2 is not even close. #2 was probably Next Level but that is unclear after their best attack and mid left for DC Dogs this summer. Dogs will be in the mix with Hawks and apparently Crabs for best in HOCO Elite.

But as this is more about BW, I don't understand the BW mystique. When was the last time they won a tournament? Are the "can't pass a background check" stories true? Was not overly impressed seeing the 2021 team play last year. Heard the 2022 teams is a mixed bag with some really strong and mediocre players (like most teams).

madlax left off because the 2023 team BLEW UP...DC Dogs best hold back team EVER!!!! just ask their parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Calling all DC Express, VLC, Cavalier, Top Caliber, NVA and DC area 2023 players. Want to ditch your second tier clubs and play for BLACKWOLF 2023 next year? If so, sign up for the BLACKWOLF winter program. You can earn a spot NOW at the winter clinic. Serious, talented players only. If you or your mommy don't like a coach who will push you extremely hard to be your best, don't apply.

Register here ===> https://www.blackwolflacrosse.com/clinics-camps/

Ok I can take a lot from this post not all bad but lots of things to talk about. I find it funny he left off Madlax when listing clubs? Why? But he added VLC?
He made a statement about be ready to deal with a mean/hard nose coach? Why?
Can we agree the 2023 group is the weakest or most spread out age group in all of DMV in a long time? Does any DMV team have a great team at this age?
Is Blackwolf losing the shine of the invite secret email, I saw you play and I think you would be great for Blackwolf?
Is Blackwolf going to start practicing and playing more?
Is Blackwolf going to take a public school kid or put the private school kids above them like the past?
Why is Blackwolf switching to the younger kid model? They where built on we are a High school club for only the best? ( which really meant we want all the kids already on the radar of the D1 teams come play with us and we will take credit for getting you D1. )

Also left out Next Level.

In DMV 2023, Madlax DC Dogs (formerly Club Blue) is by far the best. #2 is not even close. #2 was probably Next Level but that is unclear after their best attack and mid left for DC Dogs this summer. Dogs will be in the mix with Hawks and apparently Crabs for best in HOCO Elite.

But as this is more about BW, I don't understand the BW mystique. When was the last time they won a tournament? Are the "can't pass a background check" stories true? Was not overly impressed seeing the 2021 team play last year. Heard the 2022 teams is a mixed bag with some really strong and mediocre players (like most teams).

One: DC Dogs is NOT a N.VA team. May be Madlax but not N.VA they will mostly feed G.Town Prep. BW 2022 is mixed with 2023 and average. A few really strong players mixed with players from Evergreen. Should also list Evergreen on the list as this team is the feeder for BW. And that should tell you what you need to know.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

madlax left off because the 2023 team BLEW UP...DC Dogs best hold back team EVER!!!! just ask their parents.

There are at least 2 kids on dogs that are 2-year holdbacks

Have not played ACS

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Calling all DC Express, VLC, Cavalier, Top Caliber, NVA and DC area 2023 players. Want to ditch your second tier clubs and play for BLACKWOLF 2023 next year? If so, sign up for the BLACKWOLF winter program. You can earn a spot NOW at the winter clinic. Serious, talented players only. If you or your mommy don't like a coach who will push you extremely hard to be your best, don't apply.

Register here ===> https://www.blackwolflacrosse.com/clinics-camps/

Ok I can take a lot from this post not all bad but lots of things to talk about. I find it funny he left off Madlax when listing clubs? Why? But he added VLC?
He made a statement about be ready to deal with a mean/hard nose coach? Why?
Can we agree the 2023 group is the weakest or most spread out age group in all of DMV in a long time? Does any DMV team have a great team at this age?
Is Blackwolf losing the shine of the invite secret email, I saw you play and I think you would be great for Blackwolf?
Is Blackwolf going to start practicing and playing more?
Is Blackwolf going to take a public school kid or put the private school kids above them like the past?
Why is Blackwolf switching to the younger kid model? They where built on we are a High school club for only the best? ( which really meant we want all the kids already on the radar of the D1 teams come play with us and we will take credit for getting you D1. )

Also left out Next Level.

In DMV 2023, Madlax DC Dogs (formerly Club Blue) is by far the best. #2 is not even close. #2 was probably Next Level but that is unclear after their best attack and mid left for DC Dogs this summer. Dogs will be in the mix with Hawks and apparently Crabs for best in HOCO Elite.

But as this is more about BW, I don't understand the BW mystique. When was the last time they won a tournament? Are the "can't pass a background check" stories true? Was not overly impressed seeing the 2021 team play last year. Heard the 2022 teams is a mixed bag with some really strong and mediocre players (like most teams).

One: DC Dogs is NOT a N.VA team. May be Madlax but not N.VA they will mostly feed G.Town Prep. BW 2022 is mixed with 2023 and average. A few really strong players mixed with players from Evergreen. Should also list Evergreen on the list as this team is the feeder for BW. And that should tell you what you need to know.

The original post said "DC area players." Not sure why the squabble about DC Dogs not being a N.VA team. Surely, DC Dogs is a "DC area" team.

But hit it on the head with the Evergreen to BW 2022 pipeline!!!! Confirmed that BW 2022 took half a dozen Evergreen 2022 kids which says it all. Except for one tall rangy mid, none of those Evergreen kids are very good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

madlax left off because the 2023 team BLEW UP...DC Dogs best hold back team EVER!!!! just ask their parents.

There are at least 2 kids on dogs that are 2-year holdbacks

Whats wrong with that..Gotta compete somehow ! Quit being so jealous of top talent

Zone D working out today?

Scores from Battle of the Bay?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Scores from Battle of the Bay?

https://admin.tourneymachine.com/R50732

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zone D working out today?

Holdbacks did for Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zone D working out today?

Holdbacks did for Crabs.

More players at that tournament were holdbacks than not. You parents have made a joke of the sport.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zone D working out today?

Worked pretty good Hawks went 5 and 1. Will the Crabs player be able to pick my son up for the games in the spring since he has his learners permit now. That information came right from the Crabs bench. Hoco should be pretty competitive this year should be fun. Crabs parents definitely win the award for being the loudest this weeken at SRHS. Crabs havent tweeted anything in a while until this weekend they are very proud of winning fall ball.

Originally Posted by ILovePigs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zone D working out today?

Worked pretty good Hawks went 5 and 1. Will the Crabs player be able to pick my son up for the games in the spring since he has his learners permit now. That information came right from the Crabs bench. Hoco should be pretty competitive this year should be fun. Crabs parents definitely win the award for being the loudest this weeken at SRHS. Crabs havent tweeted anything in a while until this weekend they are very proud of winning fall ball.

Hawks parents talking about holdbacks is pretty ironic don't you think?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zone D working out today?

Holdbacks did for Crabs.

Love it!!! The crabs holdbacks are just better than the hawks holdbacks.

Ironic? No. Simply compare rosters. Can’t be that hard to figure out. Or. Just keep saying hawks is stacked with holdbacks until you start believing yourself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by ILovePigs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zone D working out today?

Worked pretty good Hawks went 5 and 1. Will the Crabs player be able to pick my son up for the games in the spring since he has his learners permit now. That information came right from the Crabs bench. Hoco should be pretty competitive this year should be fun. Crabs parents definitely win the award for being the loudest this weeken at SRHS. Crabs havent tweeted anything in a while until this weekend they are very proud of winning fall ball.

Hawks parents talking about holdbacks is pretty ironic don't you think?

How many holdbacks to the Hawks have? I heard half the team was so that makes about 15 with that college size roster on the sideline. Someone is getting paid in Naptown!!!
All kidding aside the Crabs do look very good and may be the team to beat this year.

Originally Posted by ILovePigs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zone D working out today?

Worked pretty good Hawks went 5 and 1. Will the Crabs player be able to pick my son up for the games in the spring since he has his learners permit now. That information came right from the Crabs bench. Hoco should be pretty competitive this year should be fun. Crabs parents definitely win the award for being the loudest this weeken at SRHS. Crabs havent tweeted anything in a while until this weekend they are very proud of winning fall ball.

Agree with the zone D. No matter what Defense you guys play, you guys have bigger issues on the offensive side. You need to score more than two goals!

How did the Dukes Nationals look playing crabs..One tie and then a One goal Victory over Dukes .. I heard Dukes had some big attackman

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zone D working out today?

Holdbacks did for Crabs.

Love it!!! The crabs holdbacks are just better than the hawks holdbacks.

It doesn't matter if you win or lose. As a parent of a player and as a player...you get zero respect if you are a hold back. If I chose to move my son down to 2024 he would stand out. I choose not to and he is still a great player. There is no reason to hold a kid back unless you are trying to give your kid an advantage. It is ridiculous to give so much credit to a kid who is potentially two years older than
1/2 the kids on the field. Much more respect to the players who play great and who are of age. I give zero attention or focus to the kids who are holdbacks. I think it is embarrasing and I would not want this for my son. Cheers to the folks who think this is good for their kids...it is not! You literally have kids graduating High School who are 19 or 20. No thanks! No pats on the back for the kid who dominates at 15 1/2 when my most are 13...it is laughable. I only say this now because the kids who dominated the field this past weekend were the holdbacks. You will most likely win having the holdbacks but you most definitely will not get respect!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did the Dukes Nationals look playing crabs..One tie and then a One goal Victory over Dukes .. I heard Dukes had some big attackman

When they played a good, settled offense, Duke's looked very good. What got them into trouble was when they played selfish. That resulted in turnovers from either errant passes or poor shots. Get them playing together a little more and these issues will go away.

Duke's was starting to take command of the game when Crab's scored a goal from inside the crease. Big miss by the ref that impacted momentum. They lost in overtime in a very aggressive game. They were two men up at the start of OT and basically threw the ball away on offense. Crabs were a lot bigger and physically mature than the Duke's players which contributed to their success in such a physical game.

Regardless of all the hate for these two teams, it was a great game to watch.

The new "big" attack was pretty tall but also pretty skinny. Didn't look older than 14.

Rumor has it that Crabs had 13(!) holdback/reclassed players. At least one was on the 22 roster last year. (I know, he's just so good he played up last year...)

At least one was on the 22 roster last year. (I know, he's just so good he played up last year...)[/quote]

One if those A is 2023 and played up last year. The other one repeated 8th grade and transferred to Loyola.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zone D working out today?

Holdbacks did for Crabs.

Love it!!! The crabs holdbacks are just better than the hawks holdbacks.

It doesn't matter if you win or lose. As a parent of a player and as a player...you get zero respect if you are a hold back. If I chose to move my son down to 2024 he would stand out. I choose not to and he is still a great player. There is no reason to hold a kid back unless you are trying to give your kid an advantage. It is ridiculous to give so much credit to a kid who is potentially two years older than
1/2 the kids on the field. Much more respect to the players who play great and who are of age. I give zero attention or focus to the kids who are holdbacks. I think it is embarrasing and I would not want this for my son. Cheers to the folks who think this is good for their kids...it is not! You literally have kids graduating High School who are 19 or 20. No thanks! No pats on the back for the kid who dominates at 15 1/2 when my most are 13...it is laughable. I only say this now because the kids who dominated the field this past weekend were the holdbacks. You will most likely win having the holdbacks but you most definitely will not get respect!

Do you feel better now that your tantrum is over?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At least one was on the 22 roster last year. (I know, he's just so good he played up last year...)

One if those A is 2023 and played up last year. The other one repeated 8th grade and transferred to Loyola. [/quote]

4 of 5 Crabs attack are holdbacks. Bigger, better, faster, older!

Thank

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zone D working out today?

Holdbacks did for Crabs.

Love it!!! The crabs holdbacks are just better than the hawks holdbacks.

It doesn't matter if you win or lose. As a parent of a player and as a player...you get zero respect if you are a hold back. If I chose to move my son down to 2024 he would stand out. I choose not to and he is still a great player. There is no reason to hold a kid back unless you are trying to give your kid an advantage. It is ridiculous to give so much credit to a kid who is potentially two years older than
1/2 the kids on the field. Much more respect to the players who play great and who are of age. I give zero attention or focus to the kids who are holdbacks. I think it is embarrasing and I would not want this for my son. Cheers to the folks who think this is good for their kids...it is not! You literally have kids graduating High School who are 19 or 20. No thanks! No pats on the back for the kid who dominates at 15 1/2 when my most are 13...it is laughable. I only say this now because the kids who dominated the field this past weekend were the holdbacks. You will most likely win having the holdbacks but you most definitely will not get respect!

Do you feel better now that your tantrum is over?

Not a tantrum. Just pointing out the obvious. You don’t say a kid is the smartest in the class after they get a “A” on a test when they took it three times. It’s hard to say if a team is really good if their entire offense is 2-2 years older. Just common sense. Clearly this sport could use more common sense and less stunands.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zone D working out today?

Holdbacks did for Crabs.

More players at that tournament were holdbacks than not. You parents have made a joke of the sport.

Back in the day, the kids who were considered ballers were the younger kids who could take on the big kids. Not the big kids who play down! They were considered...well, we all know.
Oh wait, this still rings true in every other sport but Lacrosse.

When colleges start recruiting by birth date rather than by class, that's when it will stop. Other than that, it is up to the tournament directors to police the team rosters and put a limit on the amount of kids born prior to the US lacrosse age guidelines. But as others have said, there is no incentive to do that because the tournaments and leagues need the registrations. If you or your kid's team is so handicapped by age and you want to improve the experience, you'll need to move to a USL team and play in the SMYLA league or something similar.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Zone D working out today?

Holdbacks did for Crabs.

Love it!!! The crabs holdbacks are just better than the hawks holdbacks.

It doesn't matter if you win or lose. As a parent of a player and as a player...you get zero respect if you are a hold back. If I chose to move my son down to 2024 he would stand out. I choose not to and he is still a great player. There is no reason to hold a kid back unless you are trying to give your kid an advantage. It is ridiculous to give so much credit to a kid who is potentially two years older than
1/2 the kids on the field. Much more respect to the players who play great and who are of age. I give zero attention or focus to the kids who are holdbacks. I think it is embarrasing and I would not want this for my son. Cheers to the folks who think this is good for their kids...it is not! You literally have kids graduating High School who are 19 or 20. No thanks! No pats on the back for the kid who dominates at 15 1/2 when my most are 13...it is laughable. I only say this now because the kids who dominated the field this past weekend were the holdbacks. You will most likely win having the holdbacks but you most definitely will not get respect!

It’s great to watch kids who work hard and have a passion for the game, regardless of which team they play for. I always say to my son, “man that kid on the other team is great, watch how he plays” … That kid probably keeps the stick in his hand off season, maybe runs or hits the weights, watches games on TV and just understands the strategies and flow. When it’s apples to apples, you have to admire a boy who just outworks everyone else..
On the other hand, when you play for a pretty big travel program and the coach “calls up” players from “affiliated” programs for tournaments and those kids turn out to be 14 or 15 and 30 pounds heavier than most other players.. that stinks.
And it stinks to pay $x,000 while your son, who plays half/three quarters of a regular game, is getting less than 10 minutes while the monster call up is on the field most of the game… of course he gives the team a better chance of winning but how is this fair? Why am I paying so much money to subsidize the training of a kid with a mustache?

It’s a respect issue for sure but more so, you have to question not only the integrity of the travel program but the sport in general in which this rampant abuse is permitted and kids are getting hurt.

It’s a joke reading the home page of many local travel teams:
“committed to running the highest quality tournaments and events in the country”
“developing lifetime skills such as leadership, teamwork and good sportsmanship.”
“Lacrosse program to help the next generation of players discover and enjoy the game”
“emphasize player development, life lessons, and a love for the sport.”

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At least one was on the 22 roster last year. (I know, he's just so good he played up last year...)

One if those A is 2023 and played up last year. The other one repeated 8th grade and transferred to Loyola. [/quote]
Wrong about the Loyola kid. He was a seventh grader last year, has always played up and has a late 2004 birthday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did the Dukes Nationals look playing crabs..One tie and then a One goal Victory over Dukes .. I heard Dukes had some big attackman

When they played a good, settled offense, Duke's looked very good. What got them into trouble was when they played selfish. That resulted in turnovers from either errant passes or poor shots. Get them playing together a little more and these issues will go away.

Duke's was starting to take command of the game when Crab's scored a goal from inside the crease. Big miss by the ref that impacted momentum. They lost in overtime in a very aggressive game. They were two men up at the start of OT and basically threw the ball away on offense. Crabs were a lot bigger and physically mature than the Duke's players which contributed to their success in such a physical game.

Regardless of all the hate for these two teams, it was a great game to watch.

The new "big" attack was pretty tall but also pretty skinny. Didn't look older than 14.

Rumor has it that Crabs had 13(!) holdback/reclassed players. At least one was on the 22 roster last year. (I know, he's just so good he played up last year...)

Both players that were on Crabs 2022 last year were in 7th grade last year and were playing up. One attack and one defender

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When colleges start recruiting by birth date rather than by class, that's when it will stop. Other than that, it is up to the tournament directors to police the team rosters and put a limit on the amount of kids born prior to the US lacrosse age guidelines. But as others have said, there is no incentive to do that because the tournaments and leagues need the registrations. If you or your kid's team is so handicapped by age and you want to improve the experience, you'll need to move to a USL team and play in the SMYLA league or something similar.

I think the previous poster's point is that the community in general needs to put an end to it. The way things are today, teams are just stocking up on holdbacks and reclassified kids so a 2023 team is, for the most part, a rebranded 22 team. We, the parents, are the ones escalating things. The club teams, high schools, and colleges are the ones that get the benefit.

If everyone continues to hold back and reclassify their kids, we're just going to raise the age at every level in lacrosse. So at some point the playing field gets leveled until a group decides to triple holdback, and the cycle will then continue. We now have 16 year old 8th graders. What's next? 17 year old 8th graders? Do you really want that 17 year old taking your 13 year old daughter to the 8th grade dance? Think about it.

There is no advantage when everyone starts doing it.

We, as parents, are empowered to stop this silliness because it is spiraling out of control.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[
It’s great to watch kids who work hard and have a passion for the game, regardless of which team they play for. I always say to my son, “man that kid on the other team is great, watch how he plays” … That kid probably keeps the stick in his hand off season, maybe runs or hits the weights, watches games on TV and just understands the strategies and flow. When it’s apples to apples, you have to admire a boy who just outworks everyone else..
On the other hand, when you play for a pretty big travel program and the coach “calls up” players from “affiliated” programs for tournaments and those kids turn out to be 14 or 15 and 30 pounds heavier than most other players.. that stinks.
And it stinks to pay $x,000 while your son, who plays half/three quarters of a regular game, is getting less than 10 minutes while the monster call up is on the field most of the game… of course he gives the team a better chance of winning but how is this fair? Why am I paying so much money to subsidize the training of a kid with a mustache?

It’s a respect issue for sure but more so, you have to question not only the integrity of the travel program but the sport in general in which this rampant abuse is permitted and kids are getting hurt.

It’s a joke reading the home page of many local travel teams:
“committed to running the highest quality tournaments and events in the country”
“developing lifetime skills such as leadership, teamwork and good sportsmanship.”
“Lacrosse program to help the next generation of players discover and enjoy the game”
“emphasize player development, life lessons, and a love for the sport.”

Great post! Teams that bring in guest players to win events do so to promote their clubs, not to develop their kids. Play with the team you have, coach them, and watch them develop. If, at the end of the year, you can look across your entire roster and say with confidence that everyone got better, you've done your job.

As a teacher, if you take a bunch of gifted A students and they continue to ace their tests, you may not have done much. But if you take a bunch of C students and turn them into B students, you've inspired, educated, and impacted each and every one of them. That's what teaching/coaching is about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[
It’s great to watch kids who work hard and have a passion for the game, regardless of which team they play for. I always say to my son, “man that kid on the other team is great, watch how he plays” … That kid probably keeps the stick in his hand off season, maybe runs or hits the weights, watches games on TV and just understands the strategies and flow. When it’s apples to apples, you have to admire a boy who just outworks everyone else..
On the other hand, when you play for a pretty big travel program and the coach “calls up” players from “affiliated” programs for tournaments and those kids turn out to be 14 or 15 and 30 pounds heavier than most other players.. that stinks.
And it stinks to pay $x,000 while your son, who plays half/three quarters of a regular game, is getting less than 10 minutes while the monster call up is on the field most of the game… of course he gives the team a better chance of winning but how is this fair? Why am I paying so much money to subsidize the training of a kid with a mustache?

It’s a respect issue for sure but more so, you have to question not only the integrity of the travel program but the sport in general in which this rampant abuse is permitted and kids are getting hurt.

It’s a joke reading the home page of many local travel teams:
“committed to running the highest quality tournaments and events in the country”
“developing lifetime skills such as leadership, teamwork and good sportsmanship.”
“Lacrosse program to help the next generation of players discover and enjoy the game”
“emphasize player development, life lessons, and a love for the sport.”

Great post! Teams that bring in guest players to win events do so to promote their clubs, not to develop their kids. Play with the team you have, coach them, and watch them develop. If, at the end of the year, you can look across your entire roster and say with confidence that everyone got better, you've done your job.

As a teacher, if you take a bunch of gifted A students and they continue to ace their tests, you may not have done much. But if you take a bunch of C students and turn them into B students, you've inspired, educated, and impacted each and every one of them. That's what teaching/coaching is about.

We all know who does it, yet there is no shortage of parents bringing their kids to the tryouts every year. I guess they think their kid won't be the one displaced by the ringers. Say what you will about Hawks, but they play with who is on their team. Crabs, FCA, and 91 are notorious for bringing in ringers as the kids get older.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We all know who does it, yet there is no shortage of parents bringing their kids to the tryouts every year. I guess they think their kid won't be the one displaced by the ringers. Say what you will about Hawks, but they play with who is on their team. Crabs, FCA, and 91 are notorious for bringing in ringers as the kids get older.

This statement is untrue. The Hawks bring in players also. You can keep trying to tell yourself that the Hawks are something different, but they aren't. Hogan is just as bad as Kelly and McClernan. Just get over it and accept that if your kid plays in the elite level for one of these clubs then there will be holdbacks, guest players, etc.

91Md? That team is 3rd rate. Have yet to win a game in HoCo after two years. Did not even make the HoCo A final three years ago. Yet they claim to develop players better than any club. Same coach, same core, same losing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[
It’s great to watch kids who work hard and have a passion for the game, regardless of which team they play for. I always say to my son, “man that kid on the other team is great, watch how he plays” … That kid probably keeps the stick in his hand off season, maybe runs or hits the weights, watches games on TV and just understands the strategies and flow. When it’s apples to apples, you have to admire a boy who just outworks everyone else..
On the other hand, when you play for a pretty big travel program and the coach “calls up” players from “affiliated” programs for tournaments and those kids turn out to be 14 or 15 and 30 pounds heavier than most other players.. that stinks.
And it stinks to pay $x,000 while your son, who plays half/three quarters of a regular game, is getting less than 10 minutes while the monster call up is on the field most of the game… of course he gives the team a better chance of winning but how is this fair? Why am I paying so much money to subsidize the training of a kid with a mustache?

It’s a respect issue for sure but more so, you have to question not only the integrity of the travel program but the sport in general in which this rampant abuse is permitted and kids are getting hurt.

It’s a joke reading the home page of many local travel teams:
“committed to running the highest quality tournaments and events in the country”
“developing lifetime skills such as leadership, teamwork and good sportsmanship.”
“Lacrosse program to help the next generation of players discover and enjoy the game”
“emphasize player development, life lessons, and a love for the sport.”

Great post! Teams that bring in guest players to win events do so to promote their clubs, not to develop their kids. Play with the team you have, coach them, and watch them develop. If, at the end of the year, you can look across your entire roster and say with confidence that everyone got better, you've done your job.

As a teacher, if you take a bunch of gifted A students and they continue to ace their tests, you may not have done much. But if you take a bunch of C students and turn them into B students, you've inspired, educated, and impacted each and every one of them. That's what teaching/coaching is about.

We all know who does it, yet there is no shortage of parents bringing their kids to the tryouts every year. I guess they think their kid won't be the one displaced by the ringers. Say what you will about Hawks, but they play with who is on their team. Crabs, FCA, and 91 are notorious for bringing in ringers as the kids get older.

Do not forget DC dogs. At least the 2023 team is playing in the 2022 division this fall. This way they are all on age!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[
It’s great to watch kids who work hard and have a passion for the game, regardless of which team they play for. I always say to my son, “man that kid on the other team is great, watch how he plays” … That kid probably keeps the stick in his hand off season, maybe runs or hits the weights, watches games on TV and just understands the strategies and flow. When it’s apples to apples, you have to admire a boy who just outworks everyone else..
On the other hand, when you play for a pretty big travel program and the coach “calls up” players from “affiliated” programs for tournaments and those kids turn out to be 14 or 15 and 30 pounds heavier than most other players.. that stinks.
And it stinks to pay $x,000 while your son, who plays half/three quarters of a regular game, is getting less than 10 minutes while the monster call up is on the field most of the game… of course he gives the team a better chance of winning but how is this fair? Why am I paying so much money to subsidize the training of a kid with a mustache?

It’s a respect issue for sure but more so, you have to question not only the integrity of the travel program but the sport in general in which this rampant abuse is permitted and kids are getting hurt.

It’s a joke reading the home page of many local travel teams:
“committed to running the highest quality tournaments and events in the country”
“developing lifetime skills such as leadership, teamwork and good sportsmanship.”
“Lacrosse program to help the next generation of players discover and enjoy the game”
“emphasize player development, life lessons, and a love for the sport.”

Great post! Teams that bring in guest players to win events do so to promote their clubs, not to develop their kids. Play with the team you have, coach them, and watch them develop. If, at the end of the year, you can look across your entire roster and say with confidence that everyone got better, you've done your job.

As a teacher, if you take a bunch of gifted A students and they continue to ace their tests, you may not have done much. But if you take a bunch of C students and turn them into B students, you've inspired, educated, and impacted each and every one of them. That's what teaching/coaching is about.

We all know who does it, yet there is no shortage of parents bringing their kids to the tryouts every year. I guess they think their kid won't be the one displaced by the ringers. Say what you will about Hawks, but they play with who is on their team. Crabs, FCA, and 91 are notorious for bringing in ringers as the kids get older.

Fake News. Also, your wife is a Pig. She is yuuuge! That is all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[
It’s great to watch kids who work hard and have a passion for the game, regardless of which team they play for. I always say to my son, “man that kid on the other team is great, watch how he plays” … That kid probably keeps the stick in his hand off season, maybe runs or hits the weights, watches games on TV and just understands the strategies and flow. When it’s apples to apples, you have to admire a boy who just outworks everyone else..
On the other hand, when you play for a pretty big travel program and the coach “calls up” players from “affiliated” programs for tournaments and those kids turn out to be 14 or 15 and 30 pounds heavier than most other players.. that stinks.
And it stinks to pay $x,000 while your son, who plays half/three quarters of a regular game, is getting less than 10 minutes while the monster call up is on the field most of the game… of course he gives the team a better chance of winning but how is this fair? Why am I paying so much money to subsidize the training of a kid with a mustache?

It’s a respect issue for sure but more so, you have to question not only the integrity of the travel program but the sport in general in which this rampant abuse is permitted and kids are getting hurt.

It’s a joke reading the home page of many local travel teams:
“committed to running the highest quality tournaments and events in the country”
“developing lifetime skills such as leadership, teamwork and good sportsmanship.”
“Lacrosse program to help the next generation of players discover and enjoy the game”
“emphasize player development, life lessons, and a love for the sport.”

Great post! Teams that bring in guest players to win events do so to promote their clubs, not to develop their kids. Play with the team you have, coach them, and watch them develop. If, at the end of the year, you can look across your entire roster and say with confidence that everyone got better, you've done your job.

As a teacher, if you take a bunch of gifted A students and they continue to ace their tests, you may not have done much. But if you take a bunch of C students and turn them into B students, you've inspired, educated, and impacted each and every one of them. That's what teaching/coaching is about.

We all know who does it, yet there is no shortage of parents bringing their kids to the tryouts every year. I guess they think their kid won't be the one displaced by the ringers. Say what you will about Hawks, but they play with who is on their team. Crabs, FCA, and 91 are notorious for bringing in ringers as the kids get older.

Fake News. Also, your wife is a Pig. She is yuuuge! That is all.

Thanks I like it that way....Better than nailing a 2x4.
Hawks have not had any guest players in any of the four years we have played with them but i can only speak for the 23’s. I

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We all know who does it, yet there is no shortage of parents bringing their kids to the tryouts every year. I guess they think their kid won't be the one displaced by the ringers. Say what you will about Hawks, but they play with who is on their team. Crabs, FCA, and 91 are notorious for bringing in ringers as the kids get older.

This statement is untrue. The Hawks bring in players also. You can keep trying to tell yourself that the Hawks are something different, but they aren't. Hogan is just as bad as Kelly and McClernan. Just get over it and accept that if your kid plays in the elite level for one of these clubs then there will be holdbacks, guest players, etc.

Even though most who read this do not care, N.VA teams do not have holdbacks/re-classing and also do not have a team in Elite. Connection? I have not heard any N.VA teams with older kids. There are some kids that play for MD teams but they have crazy parents willing to spend hours in traffic so they would also have no issue paying an extra year of private school.

1. There are holdbacks on NoVa teams. Not the quantity in MD, but there are.

2. If Team 91 is allowed to be elite again, that's a complete joke. They've gone winless at elite for 2 straight years. They should have been AA last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We all know who does it, yet there is no shortage of parents bringing their kids to the tryouts every year. I guess they think their kid won't be the one displaced by the ringers. Say what you will about Hawks, but they play with who is on their team. Crabs, FCA, and 91 are notorious for bringing in ringers as the kids get older.

This statement is untrue. The Hawks bring in players also. You can keep trying to tell yourself that the Hawks are something different, but they aren't. Hogan is just as bad as Kelly and McClernan. Just get over it and accept that if your kid plays in the elite level for one of these clubs then there will be holdbacks, guest players, etc.

Even though most who read this do not care, N.VA teams do not have holdbacks/re-classing and also do not have a team in Elite. Connection? I have not heard any N.VA teams with older kids. There are some kids that play for MD teams but they have crazy parents willing to spend hours in traffic so they would also have no issue paying an extra year of private school.

Play for Evergreen. Holdback-free since inception and top feeder program for Blackwolf.

Evergreen is also talent-free. The face that it's the only team BW can poach from now shows you how far BW has fallen.

Not sure why so much talk about Black Wolf on the 2023 group as they only have a 2022 team with a few 2023 players playing up. BW has had a history of getting at least 10 or more players to top college programs. If it is true that they have mostly Evergreen players and time will tell but if they get these kids recruited, that says alot about the ability to develop players.

In 2023 HOCO Elite, sounds like Crabs v Madlax DC Dogs will be the game to watch.

Since last spring, Crabs and Dogs got better with some new starters. Hawks stayed the same or got worse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In 2023 HOCO Elite, sounds like Crabs v Madlax DC Dogs will be the game to watch.

Since last spring, Crabs and Dogs got better with some new starters. Hawks stayed the same or got worse.

Usually happens when High Schoolers play middle schoolers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In 2023 HOCO Elite, sounds like Crabs v Madlax DC Dogs will be the game to watch.

Since last spring, Crabs and Dogs got better with some new starters. Hawks stayed the same or got worse.

Usually happens when High Schoolers play middle schoolers

That is the comment of the day^^^^^^^^^

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In 2023 HOCO Elite, sounds like Crabs v Madlax DC Dogs will be the game to watch.

Since last spring, Crabs and Dogs got better with some new starters. Hawks stayed the same or got worse.

Usually happens when High Schoolers play middle schoolers

That is the comment of the day^^^^^^^^^

Is that because it was the only comment of the day? Because it really didn't make any sense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In 2023 HOCO Elite, sounds like Crabs v Madlax DC Dogs will be the game to watch.

Since last spring, Crabs and Dogs got better with some new starters. Hawks stayed the same or got worse.

Usually happens when High Schoolers play middle schoolers

That is the comment of the day^^^^^^^^^

Is that because it was the only comment of the day? Because it really didn't make any sense.

wow- try to follow along. Some clubs jump on the holdback train in the 8th grade year. So, when kids should move on to 9th grade (hence high school players) they stay back and play another year against true 8th graders (middle schoolers). See how that works. 2023 Crabs is MUCH improved this year. . . and no wonder as high schoolers SHOULD do better against middle schoolers. No it is not illegal, and in some circles even de rigueure, but the post spoke the truth. In considerably fewer words than I took.

Is MM involved coaching 91MD 2023 not that is son is 2023?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In 2023 HOCO Elite, sounds like Crabs v Madlax DC Dogs will be the game to watch.

Since last spring, Crabs and Dogs got better with some new starters. Hawks stayed the same or got worse.

Usually happens when High Schoolers play middle schoolers

That is the comment of the day^^^^^^^^^

Is that because it was the only comment of the day? Because it really didn't make any sense.

wow- try to follow along. Some clubs jump on the holdback train in the 8th grade year. So, when kids should move on to 9th grade (hence high school players) they stay back and play another year against true 8th graders (middle schoolers). See how that works. 2023 Crabs is MUCH improved this year. . . and no wonder as high schoolers SHOULD do better against middle schoolers. No it is not illegal, and in some circles even de rigueure, but the post spoke the truth. In considerably fewer words than I took.

Same old holdback whining. Yawn. Get a life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Same old holdback whining. Yawn. Get a life.

Seems the comments will continue to be appropriate as long as parents of teams stocked with holdbacks brag about how great their (kid's) team is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In 2023 HOCO Elite, sounds like Crabs v Madlax DC Dogs will be the game to watch.

Since last spring, Crabs and Dogs got better with some new starters. Hawks stayed the same or got worse.

Usually happens when High Schoolers play middle schoolers

That is the comment of the day^^^^^^^^^

Is that because it was the only comment of the day? Because it really didn't make any sense.

wow- try to follow along. Some clubs jump on the holdback train in the 8th grade year. So, when kids should move on to 9th grade (hence high school players) they stay back and play another year against true 8th graders (middle schoolers). See how that works. 2023 Crabs is MUCH improved this year. . . and no wonder as high schoolers SHOULD do better against middle schoolers. No it is not illegal, and in some circles even de rigueure, but the post spoke the truth. In considerably fewer words than I took.

Same old holdback whining. Yawn. Get a life.

Same old holdback apologists ..Dont like to be called out for having an advantage others same age dont get.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is MM involved coaching 91MD 2023 not that is son is 2023?

Does a bear in the woods...No one else is allowed to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In 2023 HOCO Elite, sounds like Crabs v Madlax DC Dogs will be the game to watch.

Since last spring, Crabs and Dogs got better with some new starters. Hawks stayed the same or got worse.

Usually happens when High Schoolers play middle schoolers

That is the comment of the day^^^^^^^^^

Is that because it was the only comment of the day? Because it really didn't make any sense.

wow- try to follow along. Some clubs jump on the holdback train in the 8th grade year. So, when kids should move on to 9th grade (hence high school players) they stay back and play another year against true 8th graders (middle schoolers). See how that works. 2023 Crabs is MUCH improved this year. . . and no wonder as high schoolers SHOULD do better against middle schoolers. No it is not illegal, and in some circles even de rigueure, but the post spoke the truth. In considerably fewer words than I took.

The ironic part is that the crabs 23's have the same number of holdbacks as the other elite level teams, Hawks included. The crabs holdbacks are just better than the hawks holdbacks. Also, your wife is a pig.

This sounds so dumb. So our 9th grade age 8th graders beat yours. Impressive. Now have those same kids play on age and lose their playing time. Posers. You parents are pathetic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Calling all DC Express, VLC, Cavalier, Top Caliber, NVA and DC area 2023 players. Want to ditch your second tier clubs and play for BLACKWOLF 2023 next year? If so, sign up for the BLACKWOLF winter program. You can earn a spot NOW at the winter clinic. Serious, talented players only. If you or your mommy don't like a coach who will push you extremely hard to be your best, don't apply.

Register here ===> https://www.blackwolflacrosse.com/clinics-camps/

Ok I can take a lot from this post not all bad but lots of things to talk about. I find it funny he left off Madlax when listing clubs? Why? But he added VLC?
He made a statement about be ready to deal with a mean/hard nose coach? Why?
Can we agree the 2023 group is the weakest or most spread out age group in all of DMV in a long time? Does any DMV team have a great team at this age?
Is Blackwolf losing the shine of the invite secret email, I saw you play and I think you would be great for Blackwolf?
Is Blackwolf going to start practicing and playing more?
Is Blackwolf going to take a public school kid or put the private school kids above them like the past?
Why is Blackwolf switching to the younger kid model? They where built on we are a High school club for only the best? ( which really meant we want all the kids already on the radar of the D1 teams come play with us and we will take credit for getting you D1. )

Also left out Next Level.

In DMV 2023, Madlax DC Dogs (formerly Club Blue) is by far the best. #2 is not even close. #2 was probably Next Level but that is unclear after their best attack and mid left for DC Dogs this summer. Dogs will be in the mix with Hawks and apparently Crabs for best in HOCO Elite.

But as this is more about BW, I don't understand the BW mystique. When was the last time they won a tournament? Are the "can't pass a background check" stories true? Was not overly impressed seeing the 2021 team play last year. Heard the 2022 teams is a mixed bag with some really strong and mediocre players (like most teams).

One: DC Dogs is NOT a N.VA team. May be Madlax but not N.VA they will mostly feed G.Town Prep. BW 2022 is mixed with 2023 and average. A few really strong players mixed with players from Evergreen. Should also list Evergreen on the list as this team is the feeder for BW. And that should tell you what you need to know.

The original post said "DC area players." Not sure why the squabble about DC Dogs not being a N.VA team. Surely, DC Dogs is a "DC area" team.

But hit it on the head with the Evergreen to BW 2022 pipeline!!!! Confirmed that BW 2022 took half a dozen Evergreen 2022 kids which says it all. Except for one tall rangy mid, none of those Evergreen kids are very good.

RESULTS from today's Terrapin Classic:

Madlax Capital 9 Patriots 5
Patriots 7 Blackwolf 4

Madlax Capital 13 STEPS 2
Blackwolf 7 STEPS 6

Blackwolf is not even better than Madlax Capital. BLACKWOLF, don't believe the hype.

How many reclassed kids does DC Dogs have?

Probably most of their midfield

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many reclassed kids does DC Dogs have?

Enough to play in the 2022 Div. which they are

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many reclassed kids does DC Dogs have?

Enough to play in the 2022 Div. which they are

Hello here is a little hint. Maybe we should be praising this DC Dogs team. If they do have a large number of reclass kids and they are playing up (on AGE) they should be told good job. These kids will be leaving high school in 2023 so they need to have this in the team name. But they should be trying to play on age whenever they can. This is what should be pushed to these other older age (reclass filled teams)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many reclassed kids does DC Dogs have?

Enough to play in the 2022 Div. which they are

Hello here is a little hint. Maybe we should be praising this DC Dogs team. If they do have a large number of reclass kids and they are playing up (on AGE) they should be told good job. These kids will be leaving high school in 2023 so they need to have this in the team name. But they should be trying to play on age whenever they can. This is what should be pushed to these other older age (reclass filled teams)

They played this weekend in the 2023 division. They had 7-8 kids bigger than the anyone on the other teams they played.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many reclassed kids does DC Dogs have?

Enough to play in the 2022 Div. which they are

Hello here is a little hint. Maybe we should be praising this DC Dogs team. If they do have a large number of reclass kids and they are playing up (on AGE) they should be told good job. These kids will be leaving high school in 2023 so they need to have this in the team name. But they should be trying to play on age whenever they can. This is what should be pushed to these other older age (reclass filled teams)

They played this weekend in the 2023 division. They had 7-8 kids bigger than the anyone on the other teams they played.

What were the scores?

South River went 2-0-1 on Saturday. Beat DC Express B by a dozen, Peninsula by four and tied Team91MD when two players were ejected for fighting. SR middies were the class of the event

Express b is just for money, zero talent and terrible goal tending
PLC is much improved with a lot of new players, they have the smallest 8th grader in the nation.
91 was the more talented team but could not score. They took twice as many shots as SR. MM kid either was not there or is overrated. The big right handed attack man is good but not as advertised

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many reclassed kids does DC Dogs have?

Enough to play in the 2022 Div. which they are

Hello here is a little hint. Maybe we should be praising this DC Dogs team. If they do have a large number of reclass kids and they are playing up (on AGE) they should be told good job. These kids will be leaving high school in 2023 so they need to have this in the team name. But they should be trying to play on age whenever they can. This is what should be pushed to these other older age (reclass filled teams)

They played this weekend in the 2023 division. They had 7-8 kids bigger than the anyone on the other teams they played.

Well if it makes you feel better they are playing in the 2022 bracket this Sunday in Delaware.

Funny thing about the hold back - reclass issue is that the parents who get the most bent out of shape about this are NOT the parents of the kids who play these teams. It is mostly the parents of the kids who are on these teams. Parents really have little way of knowing which kid is older unless they are on the same team. However, if your kid is not able to get on the field because he has to compete for playing time with an older kids that is what causes stress for the parents. In addition, the holdback teams also tend to bring in guests who are older and do not know the team or the offensive scheme. The guest players are bigger and stronger and run through defenses to score while ignoring the loyal on age kid's parents who are screaming on the sideline, "he is wide open."

We

Originally Posted by Anonymous

South River went 2-0-1 on Saturday. Beat DC Express B by a dozen, Peninsula by four and tied Team91MD when two players were ejected for fighting. SR middies were the class of the event

Express b is just for money, zero talent and terrible goal tending
PLC is much improved with a lot of new players, they have the smallest 8th grader in the nation.
91 was the more talented team but could not score. They took twice as many shots as SR. MM kid either was not there or is overrated. The big right handed attack man is good but not as advertised

Evergreen 2023 went undefeated and won Championship yesterday. New sheriff in NOVA 23. Bring on the Madlax Dogs. Not afraid of them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We

Originally Posted by Anonymous

South River went 2-0-1 on Saturday. Beat DC Express B by a dozen, Peninsula by four and tied Team91MD when two players were ejected for fighting. SR middies were the class of the event

Express b is just for money, zero talent and terrible goal tending
PLC is much improved with a lot of new players, they have the smallest 8th grader in the nation.
91 was the more talented team but could not score. They took twice as many shots as SR. MM kid either was not there or is overrated. The big right handed attack man is good but not as advertised

Evergreen 2023 went undefeated and won Championship yesterday. New sheriff in NOVA 23. Bring on the Madlax Dogs. Not afraid of them.

Madlax DC Dogs are NOT a N.VA team. I guess they are a DC team if that even exists which is does not. They do not practice or play in VA. They are the old Club Blue team and are a Montgomery County MD team with less than a handful of NOVA players a couple of bid middies and back up goalie at most. They will not feed N.VA HS for the most part. A few other MD teams also have a couple of VA players. Are Crabs a VA team? I do not think the coach of most of the kids want to be a NOVA team either. Congrats to Evergreen for being the best team in Loudoun with Green Helmets! I watched them play and thought it was the Hawks for a second.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny thing about the hold back - reclass issue is that the parents who get the most bent out of shape about this are NOT the parents of the kids who play these teams. It is mostly the parents of the kids who are on these teams. Parents really have little way of knowing which kid is older unless they are on the same team. However, if your kid is not able to get on the field because he has to compete for playing time with an older kids that is what causes stress for the parents. In addition, the holdback teams also tend to bring in guests who are older and do not know the team or the offensive scheme. The guest players are bigger and stronger and run through defenses to score while ignoring the loyal on age kid's parents who are screaming on the sideline, "he is wide open."

Almost as annoying as hold backs are the parents yelling instruction to the kids during a game. Bad form

Originally Posted by Anonymous

South River went 2-0-1 on Saturday. Beat DC Express B by a dozen, Peninsula by four and tied Team91MD when two players were ejected for fighting. SR middies were the class of the event

Express b is just for money, zero talent and terrible goal tending
PLC is much improved with a lot of new players, they have the smallest 8th grader in the nation.
91 was the more talented team but could not score. They took twice as many shots as SR. MM kid either was not there or is overrated. The big right handed attack man is good but not as advertised

it is fall. Give MM time. By Spring top team to beat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

South River went 2-0-1 on Saturday. Beat DC Express B by a dozen, Peninsula by four and tied Team91MD when two players were ejected for fighting. SR middies were the class of the event

Express b is just for money, zero talent and terrible goal tending
PLC is much improved with a lot of new players, they have the smallest 8th grader in the nation.
91 was the more talented team but could not score. They took twice as many shots as SR. MM kid either was not there or is overrated. The big right handed attack man is good but not as advertised

it is fall. Give MM time. By Spring top team to beat.

As soon as guest players from Texas and Carolina come in,T91 will be great.

No guest players on Team91 2023 last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No guest players on Team91 2023 last year.

His kid didn't play on that team last year, so he didn't care.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No guest players on Team91 2023 last year.

Maybe they added a player or two but if the were even with SR they should play in that division in the spring. SR is a fine team with some good players. T91 clearly belongs in that level and not Elite. Kids will have more fun. Only parents and coaches ego's that will take a hit.

only three elite teams(all full of holdbacks)
AAA DC Dogs Crabs and Hawks
AA NL Looneys FCA DC Express SR Cavaliers VLC cannons
A API BO USS Carriers eastside Koopers 3d FCA(B) Lonneys(B) PLC Mid Atlantic
B the rest

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many reclassed kids does DC Dogs have?

Enough to play in the 2022 Div. which they are

Hello here is a little hint. Maybe we should be praising this DC Dogs team. If they do have a large number of reclass kids and they are playing up (on AGE) they should be told good job. These kids will be leaving high school in 2023 so they need to have this in the team name. But they should be trying to play on age whenever they can. This is what should be pushed to these other older age (reclass filled teams)

They played this weekend in the 2023 division. They had 7-8 kids bigger than the anyone on the other teams they played.

Well if it makes you feel better they are playing in the 2022 bracket this Sunday in Delaware.

Must be tired of beating up younger kids

Originally Posted by Anonymous

only three elite teams(all full of holdbacks)
AAA DC Dogs Crabs and Hawks
AA NL Looneys FCA DC Express SR Cavaliers VLC cannons
A API BO USS Carriers eastside Koopers 3d FCA(B) Lonneys(B) PLC Mid Atlantic
B the rest

Can't put Hawks at same level as Poodles and Jumbo lump, which are both actually 2022 teams playing down come spring

Originally Posted by Anonymous

only three elite teams(all full of holdbacks)
AAA DC Dogs Crabs and Hawks
AA NL Looneys FCA DC Express SR Cavaliers VLC cannons
A API BO USS Carriers eastside Koopers 3d FCA(B) Lonneys(B) PLC Mid Atlantic
B the rest

Move Cannon and Cav's down one and you have it correct

Originally Posted by Anonymous

only three elite teams(all full of holdbacks)
AAA DC Dogs Crabs and Hawks
AA NL Looneys FCA DC Express SR Cavaliers VLC cannons
A API BO USS Carriers eastside Koopers 3d FCA(B) Lonneys(B) PLC Mid Atlantic
B the rest

Being conservative, Evergreen 2023 should be AA. AAA if they bring some kids down from the 2022 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

only three elite teams(all full of holdbacks)
AAA DC Dogs Crabs and Hawks
AA NL Looneys FCA DC Express SR Cavaliers VLC cannons
A API BO USS Carriers eastside Koopers 3d FCA(B) Lonneys(B) PLC Mid Atlantic
B the rest

Saw VLC play this weekend at the abbreviated Harvest Classic. Not even close to a AA team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

only three elite teams(all full of holdbacks)
AAA DC Dogs Crabs and Hawks
AA NL Looneys FCA DC Express SR Cavaliers VLC cannons
A API BO USS Carriers eastside Koopers 3d FCA(B) Lonneys(B) PLC Mid Atlantic
B the rest

Saw VLC play this weekend at the abbreviated Harvest Classic. Not even close to a AA team.

???That may be fake news. If we are talking about HOCO divisions, this team lost by four to a top team in Freedom and won 10-1 in the second game. They won the AA Div last season how could they not be close to being AA? Are you saying the should be Elite? or A either way your post makes no sense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

only three elite teams(all full of holdbacks)
AAA DC Dogs Crabs and Hawks
AA NL Looneys FCA DC Express SR Cavaliers VLC cannons
A API BO USS Carriers eastside Koopers 3d FCA(B) Lonneys(B) PLC Mid Atlantic
B the rest

Saw VLC play this weekend at the abbreviated Harvest Classic. Not even close to a AA team.

Agreed re VLC not being even close to Elite. Hawks, Crabs, and Dawgs would beat them by at least 10 goals.

But being positive, VLC does have solid D and goalie. Offense is the problem. VLC has one strong middie and one strong attack (easy to identify after watching for 5 mins), stop them and you win. Rest of offensive players are about the same as most travel players sprinkled throughout HOCO AA/A. To get over the hump, VLC needs a couple new starters on A and M and maybe a new Offensive Coordinator.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

only three elite teams(all full of holdbacks)
AAA DC Dogs Crabs and Hawks
AA NL Looneys FCA DC Express SR Cavaliers VLC cannons
A API BO USS Carriers eastside Koopers 3d FCA(B) Lonneys(B) PLC Mid Atlantic
B the rest

Saw VLC play this weekend at the abbreviated Harvest Classic. Not even close to a AA team.

???That may be fake news. If we are talking about HOCO divisions, this team lost by four to a top team in Freedom and won 10-1 in the second game. They won the AA Div last season how could they not be close to being AA? Are you saying the should be Elite? or A either way your post makes no sense.

VLC is not AA - they are A at best. Freedom could have beat them by a lot more. VLC had very little offense in that game, It wasn't even close. As for their 10 - 1 blowout of PA Roughriders, they are a B team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

only three elite teams(all full of holdbacks)
AAA DC Dogs Crabs and Hawks
AA NL Looneys FCA DC Express SR Cavaliers VLC cannons
A API BO USS Carriers eastside Koopers 3d FCA(B) Lonneys(B) PLC Mid Atlantic
B the rest

Saw VLC play this weekend at the abbreviated Harvest Classic. Not even close to a AA team.

???That may be fake news. If we are talking about HOCO divisions, this team lost by four to a top team in Freedom and won 10-1 in the second game. They won the AA Div last season how could they not be close to being AA? Are you saying the should be Elite? or A either way your post makes no sense.

VLC is not AA - they are A at best. Freedom could have beat them by a lot more. VLC had very little offense in that game, It wasn't even close. As for their 10 - 1 blowout of PA Roughriders, they are a B team.

VLC kids should tryout for Evergreen where they can join the feeder pipeline to Blackwolf 2023 next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

only three elite teams(all full of holdbacks)
AAA DC Dogs Crabs and Hawks
AA NL Looneys FCA DC Express SR Cavaliers VLC cannons
A API BO USS Carriers eastside Koopers 3d FCA(B) Lonneys(B) PLC Mid Atlantic
B the rest

Saw VLC play this weekend at the abbreviated Harvest Classic. Not even close to a AA team.

???That may be fake news. If we are talking about HOCO divisions, this team lost by four to a top team in Freedom and won 10-1 in the second game. They won the AA Div last season how could they not be close to being AA? Are you saying the should be Elite? or A either way your post makes no sense.

VLC is not AA - they are A at best. Freedom could have beat them by a lot more. VLC had very little offense in that game, It wasn't even close. As for their 10 - 1 blowout of PA Roughriders, they are a B team.

OK - I am not a VLC parent but want to clarify: This is a MD-DC-VA group not a PA group or NJ or NY. We actually have a league in the spring with divisions. Call them whatever you want I do not care but in our Howard County Park and Rec. Spring league there is B, A, AA, and Elite. This team won the AA league. Therefore to say they do not belong in the AA league is incorrect. My son plays for Next Level and they are in the Elite Division so the above post is also incorrect for the spring unless the person posting feels that we should only have three teams in the Elite division.

To say that Looney’s and DC Express don’t have holdbacks is hilarious.

NL and Looneys are boarderline Elite very good teams and VLC is AA which is also solid. Not all teams can beat Crabs Hawks and Dogs but doesn’t mean they aren’t good

Originally Posted by Anonymous

only three elite teams(all full of holdbacks)
AAA DC Dogs Crabs and Hawks
AA NL Looneys FCA DC Express SR Cavaliers VLC cannons
A API BO USS Carriers eastside Koopers 3d FCA(B) Lonneys(B) PLC Mid Atlantic
B the rest

Saw VLC play this weekend at the abbreviated Harvest Classic. Not even close to a AA team.

???That may be fake news. If we are talking about HOCO divisions, this team lost by four to a top team in Freedom and won 10-1 in the second game. They won the AA Div last season how could they not be close to being AA? Are you saying the should be Elite? or A either way your post makes no sense.

VLC is not AA - they are A at best. Freedom could have beat them by a lot more. VLC had very little offense in that game, It wasn't even close. As for their 10 - 1 blowout of PA Roughriders, they are a B team.

OK - I am not a VLC parent but want to clarify: This is a MD-DC-VA group not a PA group or NJ or NY. We actually have a league in the spring with divisions. Call them whatever you want I do not care but in our Howard County Park and Rec. Spring league there is B, A, AA, and Elite. This team won the AA league. Therefore to say they do not belong in the AA league is incorrect. My son plays for Next Level and they are in the Elite Division so the above post is also incorrect for the spring unless the person posting feels that we should only have three teams in the Elite division.

I like VLC. Some good kids and coaches thru the years. But at this age group, VLC is good, not great. Look at summer results. Beat the average and weak teams, lost to every elite team they played. Nothing wrong with that. VLC belongs in the second tier of wherever they play, whether you want to call it AAA, AA, AA Elite or whatever. Same goes for all the other one-loss regular season HOCO AA teams from last spring.

sorry if I left your team off...just want competitive games don't care where my kid plays. three years ago HOCO had a competition Committee moved teams up and down all games should be 2-4 goals. its not about wins and loses. ITS ABOUT THE KIDS NOT THE CRAZY PARENTS>

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To say that Looney’s and DC Express don’t have holdbacks is hilarious.

Looneys has one kid who is older due to pre-first. That is fact. Last year they had 2 but one left to join Crabs. It will probably hurt them this year because their local competition (Crabs, FCA) loaded up on holdbacks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To say that Looney’s and DC Express don’t have holdbacks is hilarious.

Looneys has one kid who is older due to pre-first. That is fact. Last year they had 2 but one left to join Crabs. It will probably hurt them this year because their local competition (Crabs, FCA) loaded up on holdbacks

At least 2 on Looneys now...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To say that Looney’s and DC Express don’t have holdbacks is hilarious.

Looneys has one kid who is older due to pre-first. That is fact. Last year they had 2 but one left to join Crabs. It will probably hurt them this year because their local competition (Crabs, FCA) loaded up on holdbacks

This year’s excuse is fewer holdbacks? What was it in 5th-7h grade?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]To say that Looney’s and DC Express don’t have holdbacks is hilarious.

Looneys has one kid who is older due to pre-first. That is fact. Last year they had 2 but one left to join Crabs. It will probably hurt them this year because their local competition (Crabs, FCA) loaded up on holdbacks

Didn’t know you needed an excuse when you were a playoff team and lost to the best team in the league in the semifinals. Hawks and Club Blue were the best teams last year. If you need an excuse to be behind them, I am not sure what it is

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At least 2 on Looneys now. [redacted].

Don’t do that. Don’t call out players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]To say that Looney’s and DC Express don’t have holdbacks is hilarious.

Looneys has one kid who is older due to pre-first. That is fact. Last year they had 2 but one left to join Crabs. It will probably hurt them this year because their local competition (Crabs, FCA) loaded up on holdbacks

Didn’t know you needed an excuse when you were a playoff team and lost to the best team in the league in the semifinals. Hawks and Club Blue were the best teams last year. If you need an excuse to be behind them, I am not sure what it is

I am not understanding your comment but it doesn’t even matter anyway. At this point it is very hard to tell who is a good team when there are players added to rosters for one tournament or one game that don’t even live in this state. Or if 1/2 a team is older than another team. Playing in tournaments picked by Club Directors, run by Club Directors who make the schedule in their favor. How can you even tell anymore who is a good team? No excuses, not a Looney’s parent but I could care a less any more about wins and losses. As long as my son is having fun, learning and wants to continue playing a sport he loves then I will gladly have him play for a team that doesn’t do anything it takes for a “W”.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]To say that Looney’s and DC Express don’t have holdbacks is hilarious.

Looneys has one kid who is older due to pre-first. That is fact. Last year they had 2 but one left to join Crabs. It will probably hurt them this year because their local competition (Crabs, FCA) loaded up on holdbacks

Didn’t know you needed an excuse when you were a playoff team and lost to the best team in the league in the semifinals. Hawks and Club Blue were the best teams last year. If you need an excuse to be behind them, I am not sure what it is

I am not understanding your comment but it doesn’t even matter anyway. At this point it is very hard to tell who is a good team when there are players added to rosters for one tournament or one game that don’t even live in this state. Or if 1/2 a team is older than another team. Playing in tournaments picked by Club Directors, run by Club Directors who make the schedule in their favor. How can you even tell anymore who is a good team? No excuses, not a Looney’s parent but I could care a less any more about wins and losses. As long as my son is having fun, learning and wants to continue playing a sport he loves then I will gladly have him play for a team that doesn’t do anything it takes for a “W”.

"Learning"? That is what is getting lost in Club lacrosse. It's becoming more about the "W". Player development has taken a backseat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]To say that Looney’s and DC Express don’t have holdbacks is hilarious.

Looneys has one kid who is older due to pre-first. That is fact. Last year they had 2 but one left to join Crabs. It will probably hurt them this year because their local competition (Crabs, FCA) loaded up on holdbacks

Didn’t know you needed an excuse when you were a playoff team and lost to the best team in the league in the semifinals. Hawks and Club Blue were the best teams last year. If you need an excuse to be behind them, I am not sure what it is

I am not understanding your comment but it doesn’t even matter anyway. At this point it is very hard to tell who is a good team when there are players added to rosters for one tournament or one game that don’t even live in this state. Or if 1/2 a team is older than another team. Playing in tournaments picked by Club Directors, run by Club Directors who make the schedule in their favor. How can you even tell anymore who is a good team? No excuses, not a Looney’s parent but I could care a less any more about wins and losses. As long as my son is having fun, learning and wants to continue playing a sport he loves then I will gladly have him play for a team that doesn’t do anything it takes for a “W”.

"Learning"? That is what is getting lost in Club lacrosse. It's becoming more about the "W". Player development has taken a backseat.

Be wary of the clubs that preach "player development". They are the first ones that start flying in replacements when their player development curriculum doesn't equate to wins.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]To say that Looney’s and DC Express don’t have holdbacks is hilarious.

Looneys has one kid who is older due to pre-first. That is fact. Last year they had 2 but one left to join Crabs. It will probably hurt them this year because their local competition (Crabs, FCA) loaded up on holdbacks

Didn’t know you needed an excuse when you were a playoff team and lost to the best team in the league in the semifinals. Hawks and Club Blue were the best teams last year. If you need an excuse to be behind them, I am not sure what it is

Had best talent for a B-more team and underachieved last year. Dreadful the prior two.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At least 2 on Looneys now. [redacted].

Don’t do that. Don’t call out players.

It’s calling out players to state a fact that teammate and opponents know? This is 8th grade. These kids have been lacrosse for 10 years now. Everyone knows who they are. The whole system is broken. It’s like the steroid era in baseball. Because of some that gain an advantage, all are accused.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At least 2 on Looneys now. [redacted].

Don’t do that. Don’t call out players.

It’s calling out players to state a fact that teammate and opponents know? This is 8th grade. These kids have been lacrosse for 10 years now. The whole system is broken. It’s like the steroid era in baseball. Because of some that gain an advantage, all are accused.

Doesn’t mean you come on a public forum and call out two players by position. donk move no matter how you spin it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny thing about the hold back - reclass issue is that the parents who get the most bent out of shape about this are NOT the parents of the kids who play these teams. It is mostly the parents of the kids who are on these teams. Parents really have little way of knowing which kid is older unless they are on the same team. However, if your kid is not able to get on the field because he has to compete for playing time with an older kids that is what causes stress for the parents. In addition, the holdback teams also tend to bring in guests who are older and do not know the team or the offensive scheme. The guest players are bigger and stronger and run through defenses to score while ignoring the loyal on age kid's parents who are screaming on the sideline, "he is wide open."

Exactly right. Well said.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At least 2 on Looneys now. [redacted].

Don’t do that. Don’t call out players.

It’s calling out players to state a fact that teammate and opponents know? This is 8th grade. These kids have been lacrosse for 10 years now. The whole system is broken. It’s like the steroid era in baseball. Because of some that gain an advantage, all are accused.

Doesn’t mean you come on a public forum and call out two players by position. donk move no matter how you spin it.

You parents are the biggest hypocrites. Give your kids unfair advantage, come in here and say on age kids should hit the wall, then complain when someone points out by referring to a position that has 5-6 kids, Ok. Just know that parents and players talk about you on the sidelines.

One thing I find funny is in the showcase high school age tournaments the waivers ask for age of player. But the college coaches print outs and folders never put the kids age. Only Name, Email, School and college if they have one. So what does this tell us. They do not care at all who is older or younger they only care how this kid in front of them plays with these kids starting college the same year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One thing I find funny is in the showcase high school age tournaments the waivers ask for age of player. But the college coaches print outs and folders never put the kids age. Only Name, Email, School and college if they have one. So what does this tell us. They do not care at all who is older or younger they only care how this kid in front of them plays with these kids starting college the same year.

Complete garbage. I actually heard a D1 Coach talking about how old a kid was in relation to others. He was actually laughing about it to another coach. Not sure how many do it. But some do

I watched McDonough's free clinic today. Bunch of kids from Crabs, Looneys and 91, along with a few from other teams. There were about 4-5 Crabs attack and middies who were huge. Not saying they are all holdbacks (my kid is pretty big and the "right" age) and some of them need to work on their stick skills, but putting that kind of size and speed on the same team is going to cause a lot of problems for the opposition.

And, it was funny to hear a 91 parent confident about their chances in the Elite division because of their star holdback.

91 is a joke. Those kids could not make the elite teams. Have never won a hoco Elite game. Don’t belong in that division. Yet you include them in your surveillance report. And I comment. Most of the kids you refer to are not on age. But those are the rules. So dumb.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I watched McDonough's free clinic today. Bunch of kids from Crabs, Looneys and 91, along with a few from other teams. There were about 4-5 Crabs attack and middies who were huge. Not saying they are all holdbacks (my kid is pretty big and the "right" age) and some of them need to work on their stick skills, but putting that kind of size and speed on the same team is going to cause a lot of problems for the opposition.

And, it was funny to hear a 91 parent confident about their chances in the Elite division because of their star holdback.

Any hawks or dc dogs out there?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any hawks or dc dogs out there?

Some Hawks. Not sure about DC Dogs. Was mostly going by helmets because kids were wearing random pinnies and DC Dogs helmets don't really jump out to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I watched McDonough's free clinic today. Bunch of kids from Crabs, Looneys and 91, along with a few from other teams. There were about 4-5 Crabs attack and middies who were huge. Not saying they are all holdbacks (my kid is pretty big and the "right" age) and some of them need to work on their stick skills, but putting that kind of size and speed on the same team is going to cause a lot of problems for the opposition.

And, it was funny to hear a 91 parent confident about their chances in the Elite division because of their star holdback.

Any hawks or dc dogs out there?

Pretty sure Dogs were playing a tournament. In 2022 division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 is a joke. Those kids could not make the elite teams. Have never won a hoco Elite game. Don’t belong in that division. Yet you include them in your surveillance report. And I comment. Most of the kids you refer to are not on age. But those are the rules. So dumb.

Jealous you didnt make team ! Or get coached by top talent

SYSTEM IS NOT BROKEN, If you play elite expect half the kids are hold backs. In 8th grade expect 60-70 of kids are hold backs. play AA or A and enjoy watching your kid.

they should 80 percent are hold backs...fact

Hold-backs are part of the game . Hockey took care of the problem by making you play your birth year which levels the playing field. However Club lacrosse is big business so don't look for them to change system. Ultimately, if you are good they will find you, even if its in 10th, 11th, or 12th grade . Most importantly keep your kids loving the game.

Thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 is a joke. Those kids could not make the elite teams. Have never won a hoco Elite game. Don’t belong in that division. Yet you include them in your surveillance report. And I comment. Most of the kids you refer to are not on age. But those are the rules. So dumb.

Jealous you didnt make team ! Or get coached by top talent

Are you serious with this? Jealous of what? Playing for a team that cannot win elite division games? That would be embarrassing to claim to be elite but get blasted every game. And coached by top talent? Do you know who coaches the team? It ain’t #9.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hold-backs are part of the game . Hockey took care of the problem by making you play your birth year which levels the playing field. However Club lacrosse is big business so don't look for them to change system. Ultimately, if you are good they will find you, even if its in 10th, 11th, or 12th grade . Most importantly keep your kids loving the game.

Don't you guys ever get tired of this conversation? Got anything else?

There does not appear to be anything wrong with previous point and I must agree, keep the players loving a great game. But your reply sounds exactly what I would expect from a club leader.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SYSTEM IS NOT BROKEN, If you play elite expect half the kids are hold backs. In 8th grade expect 60-70 of kids are hold backs. play AA or A and enjoy watching your kid.

What would the 2023 rankings look like if the age cut-off was 9-30-2004? What if it was 1-1-2005? 98% of kids in 8th grade fall into this range. Tell me again why the system is NOT broken?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hold-backs are part of the game . Hockey took care of the problem by making you play your birth year which levels the playing field. However Club lacrosse is big business so don't look for them to change system. Ultimately, if you are good they will find you, even if its in 10th, 11th, or 12th grade . Most importantly keep your kids loving the game.

Don't you guys ever get tired of this conversation? Got anything else?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hold-backs are part of the game . Hockey took care of the problem by making you play your birth year which levels the playing field. However Club lacrosse is big business so don't look for them to change system. Ultimately, if you are good they will find you, even if its in 10th, 11th, or 12th grade . Most importantly keep your kids loving the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hold-backs are part of the game . Hockey took care of the problem by making you play your birth year which levels the playing field. However Club lacrosse is big business so don't look for them to change system. Ultimately, if you are good they will find you, even if its in 10th, 11th, or 12th grade . Most importantly keep your kids loving the game.

Honestly youth soccer is a far bigger business and they addressed a few years back. Difference with Lax is the people making the rules are the same ones making the money. Lax has no real National or international oversite willing to dictate whats best for the game. Don’t be fooled LAX is a minor sport in this country, outside a few markets it’s not even offered as a sport to the youth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SYSTEM IS NOT BROKEN, If you play elite expect half the kids are hold backs. In 8th grade expect 60-70 of kids are hold backs. play AA or A and enjoy watching your kid.

What would the 2023 rankings look like if the age cut-off was 9-30-2004? What if it was 1-1-2005? 98% of kids in 8th grade fall into this range. Tell me again why the system is NOT broken?

It would not be 2023 rankings, it would be U14 or 2005. Currently the system is grade based, so it is not broken,

What is broken is parent's believing that their child is getting better by holding back a year and playing against younger players. What happened to having the desire to play up a year or even two?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you know who coaches the team? It ain’t #9.

Pretty sure he will be coaching 2023. Can't imagine him letting anyone else do it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to having the desire to play up a year or even two?

Pretty much what the on age kids on "elite" teams are doing now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to having the desire to play up a year or even two?

Pretty much what the on age kids on "elite" teams are doing now.

Thats funny...Being on age and playing up at correct grade ! Sad but true with modern lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 is a joke. Those kids could not make the elite teams. Have never won a hoco Elite game. Don’t belong in that division. Yet you include them in your surveillance report. And I comment. Most of the kids you refer to are not on age. But those are the rules. So dumb.

Jealous you didnt make team ! Or get coached by top talent

Are you serious with this? Jealous of what? Playing for a team that cannot win elite division games? That would be embarrassing to claim to be elite but get blasted every game. And coached by top talent? Do you know who coaches the team? It ain’t #9, .

You obviously dont know .. He will be coach of his relatives with 100% accuracy in Spring.

Stop all the crying with holdbacks. One of the top 2022 elite teams have zero. Times are changing with the recruiting new rules.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to having the desire to play up a year or even two?

Pretty much what the on age kids on "elite" teams are doing now.

This forum needs a like button.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 is a joke. Those kids could not make the elite teams. Have never won a hoco Elite game. Don’t belong in that division. Yet you include them in your surveillance report. And I comment. Most of the kids you refer to are not on age. But those are the rules. So dumb.

Jealous you didnt make team ! Or get coached by top talent

Are you serious with this? Jealous of what? Playing for a team that cannot win elite division games? That would be embarrassing to claim to be elite but get blasted every game. And coached by top talent? Do you know who coaches the team?

You obviously dont know. He will be coach of his relatives with 100% accuracy in Spring.

Then he should have committed to it for the full year and advertised it before tryouts. He would have drawn better talent and overhauled the team. The current coaches and their buddy dads would be in search a new team in a different division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stop all the crying with holdbacks. One of the top 2022 elite teams have zero. Times are changing with the recruiting new rules.

This is the 2023 forum.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You obviously dont know . He will be coach of his relatives with 100% accuracy in Spring.

I assumed so as well until this morning when I got an email:

"Team 91 MD 2022 FIRE is looking for one elite midfielder to finalize its roster for summer 2019"

The email says: "The roster is loaded with future D1 candidates and is led by National HOFer and MLL mvp Mark Millon, NCAA recorder holder Austin Stewart, and head coach at Elizabethtown College Chris Perzinski."

Is the email simply being deceptive about the 22 team being "led" by MM, but he'll actually be the coach of 23?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stop all the crying with holdbacks. One of the top 2022 elite teams have zero. Times are changing with the recruiting new rules.

This is the 2023 forum.

Yes, this is the 2023 forum but many of the kids on the Elite teams grew up with the kids on the 2022 teams and were in the same grade so the parents still care and follow these teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stop all the crying with holdbacks. One of the top 2022 elite teams have zero. Times are changing with the recruiting new rules.

Not a chance

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stop all the crying with holdbacks. One of the top 2022 elite teams have zero. Times are changing with the recruiting new rules.

Please enlighten us to which 2022 elite team has zero holdbacks.

Not:
Hawks
Crabs
FCA
DC Express
Koopers/Dukes (Slainte)
Roughriders
Team 91
Diamondbacks
Madlax

Pretty sure that's everyone

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You obviously dont know .. He will be coach of his relatives with 100% accuracy in Spring.

I assumed so as well until this morning when I got an email:

"Team 91 MD 2022 FIRE is looking for one elite midfielder to finalize its roster for summer 2019"

The email says: "The roster is loaded with future D1 candidates and is led by National HOFer and MLL mvp Mark Millon, NCAA recorder holder Austin Stewart, and head coach at Elizabethtown College Chris Perzinski."

Is the email simply being deceptive about the 22 team being "led" by MM, but he'll actually be the coach of 23?

MM never stopped coaching the 22s or the 24s. Just because his sons no longer play for either team doesn't mean he moved with them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stop all the crying with holdbacks. One of the top 2022 elite teams have zero. Times are changing with the recruiting new rules.

This is the 2023 forum.

Yes, this is the 2023 forum but many of the kids on the Elite teams grew up with the kids on the 2022 teams and were in the same grade so the parents still care and follow these teams.

You sound like such a hammerhead

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MM never stopped coaching the 22s or the 24s. Just because his sons no longer play for either team doesn't mean he moved with them.

Well, he coached the 22 and 24 teams BECAUSE his sons were on those teams. So most people assumed that Millon would move as well. Guess we'll see.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MM never stopped coaching the 22s or the 24s. Just because his sons no longer play for either team doesn't mean he moved with them.

Well, he coached the 22 and 24 teams BECAUSE his sons were on those teams. So most people assumed that Millon would move as well. Guess we'll see.

You clowns don’t get it. His son is an excellent player whose parents are both HoF. M is a winner and built 2022. That team needs an overhaul. School is a different story. He is not in HS yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MM never stopped coaching the 22s or the 24s. Just because his sons no longer play for either team doesn't mean he moved with them.

Well, he coached the 22 and 24 teams bc his sons were on those teams. So most people assumed that Millon would move as well. Guess we'll see.

Maybe he does not want to coach the 23 team. It would be tough coaching an "Elite" team that has not won a game v. any other Elite team in two years...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MM never stopped coaching the 22s or the 24s. Just because his sons no longer play for either team doesn't mean he moved with them.

Well, he coached the 22 and 24 teams bc his sons were on those teams. So most people assumed that Millon would move as well. Guess we'll see.

Guess we'll see? Fall season is almost over. There doesn't need to be word. MM is still coaching 2022 and 2024. Why is there speculation?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You obviously dont know #9.. He will be coach of his relatives with 100% accuracy in Spring.

I assumed so as well until this morning when I got an email:

"Team 91 MD 2022 FIRE is looking for one elite midfielder to finalize its roster for summer 2019"

The email says: "The roster is loaded with future D1 candidates and is led by National HOFer and MLL mvp Mark Millon, NCAA recorder holder Austin Stewart, and head coach at Elizabethtown College Chris Perzinski."

So is the son playing 23, 22, or both? Or is the email simply being deceptive about the 22 team being "led" by Millon, but he'll actually be the coach of 23.

Player development, player development, player development = mass email looking for an elite middie from anywhere to join the team

Since he’s repeating 8th grade, he’ll have to play 2023 for the spring season and then rejoin his 2022 team for the summer after they finish their HS season. If the 2023 team had more complimentary players to his son, I’m sure MM would make the move down... but his son will look better playing with better players in bigger tournaments (and then the perception will be that he’s playing up).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MM never stopped coaching the 22s or the 24s. Just because his sons no longer play for either team doesn't mean he moved with them.

Well, he coached the 22 and 24 teams bc his sons were on those teams. So most people assumed that Millon would move as well. Guess we'll see.

Prep year?? .

Holdbacks- This is the world of modern lacrosse .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MM never stopped coaching the 22s or the 24s. Just because his sons no longer play for either team doesn't mean he moved with them.

Well, he coached the 22 and 24 teams bc his sons were on those teams. So most people assumed that Millon would move as well. Guess we'll see.

Prep year??

Holbacks - This is the world of modern lacrosse .

Be surprised to see MM coach 2023. He can't stomach working with kids who struggle.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MM never stopped coaching the 22s or the 24s. Just because his sons no longer play for either team doesn't mean he moved with them.

Well, he coached the 22 and 24 teams bc his sons were on those teams. So most people assumed that Millon would move as well. Guess we'll see.

Prep year??

Holbacks - This is the world of modern lacrosse .

Be surprised to see MM coach 2023. He can't stomach working with kids who struggle.

Be surprised to not see MM coach 2023. He can't stomach other coaches working with his kids .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MM never stopped coaching the 22s or the 24s. Just because his sons no longer play for either team doesn't mean he moved with them.

Well, he coached the 22 and 24 teams bc his sons were on those teams. So most people assumed that Millon would move as well. Guess we'll see.

Prep year??

Holbacks - This is the world of modern lacrosse .

Be surprised to see MM coach 2023. He can't stomach working with kids who struggle.

Be surprised to not see MM coach 2023. He can't stomach other coaches working with his kids .

Question is now that fall is over, what will Elite look like for the final spring season in HOCO? Has 91 done anything this fall to justify staying in the Elite Div? Crabs seemed to have stepped up and could now challenge Hawks-DCD, how many teams will be in the group? Are there any other fall surprises?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Be surprised to see MM coach 2023. He can't stomach working with kids who struggle.

Be surprised to not see MM coach 2023. He can't stomach other coaches working with his kids .

This is funny. I LOL’d.

OK so my kid told me that 2 Madlax DC Dogs player are in Drivers Ed (proof they are 16), and that at least 2 more will start in Feb.

This is funny!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK so my kid told me that 2 Madlax DC Dogs player are in Drivers Ed (proof they are 16), and that at least 2 more will start in Feb.

This is funny!!!

Every high school in the area has a rule that no kid can be older then 19 and play high school sports. So this little guess of yours will be proven true or false if they play high school not at prep school when your son is in 12th grade. And just so you know you take drivers ed when you are 15 not 16 so you have it over with when you turn 16 and you are ready for behind the wheel.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK so my kid told me that 2 Madlax DC Dogs player are in Drivers Ed (proof they are 16), and that at least 2 more will start in Feb.

This is funny!!!

Every high school in the area has a rule that no kid can be older then 19 and play high school sports. So this little guess of yours will be proven true or false if they play high school not at prep school when your son is in 12th grade. And just so you know you take drivers ed when you are 15 not 16 so you have it over with when you turn 16 and you are ready for behind the wheel.

I am not the person who posted and do not claim to know any ages of DCD but you do know that 15 for 2023 is also too old by a year this age group. A 8th grader should be turning 14 in the fall if on the older side and most should be 13.

Not surprising and a lit

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK so my kid told me that 2 Madlax DC Dogs player are in Drivers Ed (proof they are 16), and that at least 2 more will start in Feb.

This is funny!!!

Every high school in the area has a rule that no kid can be older then 19 and play high school sports. So this little guess of yours will be proven true or false if they play high school not at prep school when your son is in 12th grade. And just so you know you take drivers ed when you are 15 not 16 so you have it over with when you turn 16 and you are ready for behind the wheel.

I am not the person who posted and do not claim to know any ages of DCD but you do know that 15 for 2023 is also too old by a year this age group. A 8th grader should be turning 14 in the fall if on the older side and most should be 13.

Not surprising and a little sad. Almost all of BLC's 2027's are born prior to 9/1/2008 and have at least 2 kids born in 2007. This makes them almost 2 years older than USL rules. But I suppose this just makes them a little older and bigger than the other teams in the DMV. As a pp said, it doesn't matter and the college coaches don't care so long as the kids they are getting are bigger and better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not surprising and a lit

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK so my kid told me that 2 Madlax DC Dogs player are in Drivers Ed (proof they are 16), and that at least 2 more will start in Feb.

This is funny!!!

Every high school in the area has a rule that no kid can be older then 19 and play high school sports. So this little guess of yours will be proven true or false if they play high school not at prep school when your son is in 12th grade. And just so you know you take drivers ed when you are 15 not 16 so you have it over with when you turn 16 and you are ready for behind the wheel.

I am not the person who posted and do not claim to know any ages of DCD but you do know that 15 for 2023 is also too old by a year this age group. A 8th grader should be turning 14 in the fall if on the older side and most should be 13.

Not surprising and a little sad. Almost all of BLC's 2027's are born prior to 9/1/2008 and have at least 2 kids born in 2007. This makes them almost 2 years older than USL rules. But I suppose this just makes them a little older and bigger than the other teams in the DMV. As a pp said, it doesn't matter and the college coaches don't care so long as the kids they are getting are bigger and better.

Thank you for posting this. Its not a Madlax or any other club issue. Its a DMV private school issue. They all start at 6 no matter the birthday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not surprising and a lit

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK so my kid told me that 2 Madlax DC Dogs player are in Drivers Ed (proof they are 16), and that at least 2 more will start in Feb.

This is funny!!!

Every high school in the area has a rule that no kid can be older then 19 and play high school sports. So this little guess of yours will be proven true or false if they play high school not at prep school when your son is in 12th grade. And just so you know you take drivers ed when you are 15 not 16 so you have it over with when you turn 16 and you are ready for behind the wheel.

I am not the person who posted and do not claim to know any ages of DCD but you do know that 15 for 2023 is also too old by a year this age group. A 8th grader should be turning 14 in the fall if on the older side and most should be 13.

Not surprising and a little sad. Almost all of BLC's 2027's are born prior to 9/1/2008 and have at least 2 kids born in 2007. This makes them almost 2 years older than USL rules. But I suppose this just makes them a little older and bigger than the other teams in the DMV. As a pp said, it doesn't matter and the college coaches don't care so long as the kids they are getting are bigger and better.

Thank you for posting this. Its not a Madlax or any other club issue. Its a DMV private school issue. They all start at 6 no matter the birthday.

What does DMV stand for?

You are confusing DC with Baltimore. In DC, all kindergartners at 5, not 6.

Madlax just had a huge start on it since they've been around for awhile and picked up on it early. BLC used to be purely recreational but have become much more serious in travel. NL became more focused on travel when the Mitchell's took over and their popularity has translated into attracting better players who are most likely older.

It's also not limited to private school. If a public parent starts his kid late to first grade, as in the case of summer birthdays, The kid stays in that grade and there are plenty of those examples on the club and high school teams. This is why 19 years old publics can play high school sports. The problem comes when those older kids are then moved to private and held back. Then they become almost 2 years older than USL rules allow.

I thought I saw somewhere where USL caved a little and are allowing 5 exceptions per team for their sanctioned tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are confusing DC with Baltimore. In DC, all kindergartners at 5, not 6.

Incorrect. DC private’s start at 6.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK so my kid told me that 2 Madlax DC Dogs player are in Drivers Ed (proof they are 16), and that at least 2 more will start in Feb.

This is funny!!!

Not that funny. You can take drivers ed the day you turn 15. So it is not proof that they are 16.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK so my kid told me that 2 Madlax DC Dogs player are in Drivers Ed (proof they are 16), and that at least 2 more will start in Feb.

This is funny!!!

Not that funny. You can take drivers ed the day you turn 15. So it is not proof that they are 16.

15 should not be playing 2023 at all

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK so my kid told me that 2 Madlax DC Dogs player are in Drivers Ed (proof they are 16), and that at least 2 more will start in Feb.

This is funny!!!

Not that funny. You can take drivers ed the day you turn 15. So it is not proof that they are 16.

15 should not be playing 2023 at all

Please....... This is modern Lacrosse where playing down is the norm.. 15 is only One to Two years over.. Tell your son to hit the wall and playing against older players will make him better,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK so my kid told me that 2 Madlax DC Dogs player are in Drivers Ed (proof they are 16), and that at least 2 more will start in Feb.

This is funny!!!

Not that funny. You can take drivers ed the day you turn 15. So it is not proof that they are 16.

C'mon Mom, this means those 2 young men are 22 months OLDER than the youngest age eligible kids and 10 months OLDER than the oldest kids on a USL sanctioned tournament team. This is why they don't play USL sanctioned tournaments. But that strategy does pay off in the long run if the kids are half way decent and follow through on playing well while at the high school age. Yes, keep telling yourself the other kids could be as good as yours so long as they hustle and eat their veggies.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax just had a huge start on it since they've been around for awhile and picked up on it early. BLC used to be purely recreational but have become much more serious in travel. NL became more focused on travel when the Mitchell's took over and their popularity has translated into attracting better players who are most likely older.

It's also not limited to private school. If a public parent starts his kid late to first grade, as in the case of summer birthdays, The kid stays in that grade and there are plenty of those examples on the club and high school teams. This is why 19 years old publics can play high school sports. The problem comes when those older kids are then moved to private and held back. Then they become almost 2 years older than USL rules allow.

I thought I saw somewhere where USL caved a little and are allowing 5 exceptions per team for their sanctioned tournaments.

Only for Nationals. ML still couldn't qualify a team.

AGE EXCEPTIONS FOR THE 2019 NATIONALS
The 2019 Age Exception Policy is as follows: a team competing at the 2019 US Lacrosse Nationals may field up to five players who do not comply with the birthdate guidelines above (Section 4 and 5 above), provided i) that the players meet the previously stated club participation requirement, ii) that those players were born not more than six months earlier than the birthdate cutoff for their division, and iii) that the player is in the scholastic grade that corresponds to their respective division. The corresponding grade for each division is:

13U, 2018-19 SCHOOL YEAR GRADE SEVEN
14U, 2018-19 SCHOOL YEAR GRADE EIGHT

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK so my kid told me that 2 Madlax DC Dogs player are in Drivers Ed (proof they are 16), and that at least 2 more will start in Feb.

This is funny!!!

Not that funny. You can take drivers ed the day you turn 15. So it is not proof that they are 16.

15 should not be playing 2023 at all

My kid is 13 and will be 13 thru this summer playing 2023.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please....... This is modern Lacrosse where playing down is the norm.. 15 is only One to Two years over.. Tell your son to hit the wall and playing against older players will make him better,

Tell your son to hit the books. Studying will make him a better student so he doesn't have to be held back. :)>

But seriously, while "playing up" (ie, playing in the correct year for your age) may make some kids better, it also means a lot of kids who have potential will get frustrated and give up on the sport. There is a reason basically every sport at every level of youth competition divides kids by age. Club Lacrosse is one of the only exceptions and it should really change.

Tired of reading all the holdback BS. Did some research for VA public schools. In the Commonwealth of Virginia, public school students can participate in HS sports as long as they are not 19 when they enter their senior year. A student can turn 19 during their senior year, he/she just can't be 19 on Sep 1 (or whatever the start date is). Thus, with respect to the Class of 2023, any student with a birthdate of 9/1/2003 or later can play HS sports in VA. I could not find a rule for the private school leagues but suspect it would be the same or allow even older players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK so my kid told me that 2 Madlax DC Dogs player are in Drivers Ed (proof they are 16), and that at least 2 more will start in Feb.

This is funny!!!

Not that funny. You can take drivers ed the day you turn 15. So it is not proof that they are 16.

15 should not be playing 2023 at all

My kid is 13 and will be 13 thru this summer playing 2023.

What team does he play for?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK so my kid told me that 2 Madlax DC Dogs player are in Drivers Ed (proof they are 16), and that at least 2 more will start in Feb.

This is funny!!!

Not that funny. You can take drivers ed the day you turn 15. So it is not proof that they are 16.

Quoted from the MD DMV website:
"Before starting the driving portion of your driver's education course, you need to get a learner's permit first. You must be at least 15 years and 9 months old to apply for your permit."

So however you want to look at it (presently 15 years and 9/10/11 months old or 16 years old), they will be 16 before the first HoCo face-off, when most boys will be 13 or 14. Absolute joke!!!!!

Just like on the lacrosse field, I bet the 2023 Hawks dominate the DC Dogs on the MVA Driving test

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK so my kid told me that 2 Madlax DC Dogs player are in Drivers Ed (proof they are 16), and that at least 2 more will start in Feb.

This is funny!!!

Not that funny. You can take drivers ed the day you turn 15. So it is not proof that they are 16.

15 should not be playing 2023 at all

My kid is 13 and will be 13 thru this summer playing 2023.

What team does he play for?

Not a MD team obviously, I'm just putting out an age prospective, he's a June 2005 birthday. Probably should have had him do preK, but he's at public school. He would not be considered elite, but holds his own against the bigger kids in AA/Elite. He'll be better off as a player in the long run, but being in the same graduating class as kids 2 years (and sounds like 3 in some cases) older can have it's challenges.

Have HoCo divisions been set?

HoCo registration doesn't close until late January

Any goalies out there looking to play indoor this winter starting next weekend? The CHILL league on Kent Island could use a few.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tired of reading all the holdback BS. Did some research for VA public schools. In the Commonwealth of Virginia, public school students can participate in HS sports as long as they are not 19 when they enter their senior year. A student can turn 19 during their senior year, he/she just can't be 19 on Sep 1 (or whatever the start date is). Thus, with respect to the Class of 2023, any student with a birthdate of 9/1/2003 or later can play HS sports in VA. I could not find a rule for the private school leagues but suspect it would be the same or allow even older players.

I am tired of all this holdback jealously too. As long as it is in the rules , stop moaning. Tell your boy to hit the wall.
If he plays against my son he will get better. One to two years older isnt that much. So much moaning about playing against older players. Why? Lacrosse is the only sport that gets it right with grade based teams, all the rest with their age based teams are so behind

You're sooooooooo wrong. Its a huge advantage and don't give me your BS about HS. Its youth lacrosse. the reason they had U9 U11 U13 is they didn't have enough players for single year teams. They do now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am tired of all this holdback jealously too. As long as it is in the rules , stop moaning. Tell your boy to hit the wall.
If he plays against my son he will get better. One to two years older isnt that much. So much moaning about playing against older players. Why? Lacrosse is the only sport that gets it right with grade based teams, all the rest with their age based teams are so behind

So by your own admission, you are impeding your son's development by having him play against younger kids. He should, you say, be playing up a year (or at least "on age") so he will get better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am tired of all this holdback jealously too. As long as it is in the rules , stop moaning. Tell your boy to hit the wall.
If he plays against my son he will get better. One to two years older isnt that much. So much moaning about playing against older players. Why? Lacrosse is the only sport that gets it right with grade based teams, all the rest with their age based teams are so behind

So by your own admission, you are impeding your son's development by having him play against younger kids. He should, you say, be playing up a year (or at least "on age") so he will get better.

No, I am one of those do as i say,,,not as I do..Hard to compete against older players in youth.

Anyone know when HoCo divisions will be set and disclosed?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know when HoCo divisions will be set and disclosed?

Probably not until a few weeks prior. They are still taking registrations. There will not be much changing as this is the last season for this age group. Elite will be same, AA Breakers will move up ML Capital is out DC D takes over for Club Blue and will play Hawks in final after a complaint filled cheating ref game over Crabs with holdbacks. 91 gets first ever win over DCE. FCA and Looney's tie twice, and a few dozen post are made about kids driving themselves home from games. In addition, there will be a few more telling us we are notIntelligent for caring as in HS it does not matter.
That about sum it up for you?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know when HoCo divisions will be set and disclosed?

mid march

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know when HoCo divisions will be set and disclosed?

Probably not until a few weeks prior. They are still taking registrations. There will not be much changing as this is the last season for this age group. Elite will be same, AA Breakers will move up ML Capital is out DC D takes over for Club Blue and will play Hawks in final after a complaint filled cheating ref game over Crabs with holdbacks. 91 gets first ever win over DCE. FCA and Looney's tie twice, and a few dozen post are made about kids driving themselves home from games. In addition, there will be a few more telling us we are notIntelligent for caring as in HS it does not matter.
That about sum it up for you?

One more Grasshopper. Two years from now you will be a wiser person. Enjoy the moment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know when HoCo divisions will be set and disclosed?

Probably not until a few weeks prior. They are still taking registrations. There will not be much changing as this is the last season for this age group. Elite will be same, AA Breakers will move up ML Capital is out DC D takes over for Club Blue and will play Hawks in final after a complaint filled cheating ref game over Crabs with holdbacks. 91 gets first ever win over DCE. FCA and Looney's tie twice, and a few dozen post are made about kids driving themselves home from games. In addition, there will be a few more telling us we are notIntelligent for caring as in HS it does not matter.
That about sum it up for you?

Mark Millon will make a cameo on the sidelines and get kicked out of another game, making him the first coach to ever be kicked out of games in 3 age groups. 91 will shift their Southwest account over to the 2023s since the high school kids don't have spring games to fly out to anymore. Hawks will drop 2 games in the league and BOTC observers will call out the brutal zone defense that led to the disastrous 2 loss season. DC Dogs will underachieve despite losing in the finals because they have a few more holdbacks than McClernan's Crabs. The winners will update us with in and post-season rankings and the losers will say it is all about preparing the kids for high school. The suckers will send their kids to Maverik Showtime where no one will watch them and the dreamers will send their kids to UA Underclass Tryouts where they can compete against 2022s that should be 2021s. Parents will post photos of junior on facebook where they'll get plenty of likes, but no one really cares. Parents will stroke checks to the private schools and tell their cronies their kids were recruited. Tourneys will go deeper into July and tryouts will be right on their heels. High school sports will start immediately following and just like that, youth sports is done. Enjoy the ride.

Ok that’s funny. And sadly, pretty accurate. Probably missing some Spalding and other obscure AA county references, but then, do we really miss them?

Anybody trying out for the RR 2023 showcase team to play at Naptown?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok that’s funny. And sadly, pretty accurate. Probably missing some Spalding and other obscure AA county references, but then, do we really miss them?

You seem to be joking but know this: The ripple effects of the #SpaldingTakeover will also rock the '23 age level. The impact will likely be felt on a national level. At this point the only thing that could potentially dampen it is if the PLL begins tampering with the young stars (a scenario I am legitimately concerned about occurring).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody trying out for the RR 2023 showcase team to play at Naptown?

What is RR 2023?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody trying out for the RR 2023 showcase team to play at Naptown?

My son said a group of his friends who are pretty solid were talking about it depending on when their summer schedules get firmed up. They saw the Dukes make it to the final TV game and think they can get enough good kids to do the same.

https://www.facebook.com/MDRoughriders/photos/a.251306161652723/1859177444198912/?type=3&theater

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody trying out for the RR 2023 showcase team to play at Naptown?

My son said a group of his friends who are pretty solid were talking about it depending on when their summer schedules get firmed up. They saw the Dukes make it to the final TV game and think they can get enough good kids to do the same.

Let me get this straight. For two consecutive years RR could not field a 2023 team. Now they somehow will draw enough kids to compete with Dukes?! Where will RR draw these unicorns from?

Is MM going to scam his 23 team into the Elite division again despite being winless for 2 years?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is MM going to scam his 23 team into the Elite division again despite being winless for 2 years?

Yes. He has coached 27000 kids at his camps.

Assume so since his son will be in it for spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is MM going to scam his 23 team into the Elite division again despite being winless for 2 years?

Yes. He has coached 27000 kids at his camps.

....And what does camp have to do with the 2023 team?? If 91 was not in the Elite who would be? I would think the way to go would be a six team division or a 10 team and add a few more.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is MM going to scam his 23 team into the Elite division again despite being winless for 2 years?

Gots to play better peeps to get better

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is MM going to scam his 23 team into the Elite division again despite being winless for 2 years?

Yes. He has coached 27000 kids at his camps.

....And what does camp have to do with the 2023 team?? If 91 was not in the Elite who would be? I would think the way to go would be a six team division or a 10 team and add a few more.

VLC who won the AA division would easily beat 91.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is MM going to scam his 23 team into the Elite division again despite being winless for 2 years?

Yes. He has coached 27000 kids at his camps.

....And what does camp have to do with the 2023 team?? If 91 was not in the Elite who would be? I would think the way to go would be a six team division or a 10 team and add a few more.

Then you run into the problem of scheduling. A 6 team results in either an unbalanced schedule or a 12 or more week schedule. In a 10, the teams aren't deep enough and the competition would be really lopsided.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is MM going to scam his 23 team into the Elite division again despite being winless for 2 years?

Yes. He has coached 27000 kids at his camps.

....And what does camp have to do with the 2023 team?? If 91 was not in the Elite who would be? I would think the way to go would be a six team division or a 10 team and add a few more.

VLC who won the AA division would easily beat 91.

The VLC team who loses to every Elite team it plays??? See summer and fall tourney results.

Not a perfect ranking or methodology but VLC not even ranked in the Top 100:
https://www.usclublax.com/fall-rankings.html

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is MM going to scam his 23 team into the Elite division again despite being winless for 2 years?

Yes. He has coached 27000 kids at his camps.

....And what does camp have to do with the 2023 team?? If 91 was not in the Elite who would be? I would think the way to go would be a six team division or a 10 team and add a few more.

VLC who won the AA division would easily beat 91.

The VLC team who loses to every Elite team it plays??? See summer and fall tourney results.

Not a perfect ranking or methodology but VLC not even ranked in the Top 100:
https://www.usclublax.com/fall-rankings.html

First VLC not listed because they are part of Crabs. Second they already beat 91md.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is MM going to scam his 23 team into the Elite division again despite being winless for 2 years?

Yes. He has coached 27000 kids at his camps.

....And what does camp have to do with the 2023 team?? If 91 was not in the Elite who would be? I would think the way to go would be a six team division or a 10 team and add a few more.

VLC who won the AA division would easily beat 91.

The VLC team who loses to every Elite team it plays??? See summer and fall tourney results.

Not a perfect ranking or methodology but VLC not even ranked in the Top 100:
https://www.usclublax.com/fall-rankings.html

First VLC not listed because they are part of Crabs. Second they already beat 91md.

Wrong. VLC is listed as #138. This "91MD shouldn't be elite" comes up every month and always results in same stunad saying VLC should be there. Makes you wonder if the whole thread's intent is for VLC Dad to make this irrational point. Though VLC is not a Crabs B team, they might as well be. Crabs 2023 would easily beat VLC 2023, even if their top players were missing.

You are actually citing that bogus usclublax ranking which is based on nothing? My son doesn't play for VLC but i saw them last fall at a Madlax tournament where they easily beat Team91 by more than 5 goals. They've added some guys and are more deserving than 91.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is MM going to scam his 23 team into the Elite division again despite being winless for 2 years?

Yes. He has coached 27000 kids at his camps.

....And what does camp have to do with the 2023 team?? If 91 was not in the Elite who would be? I would think the way to go would be a six team division or a 10 team and add a few more.

VLC who won the AA division would easily beat 91.

The VLC team who loses to every Elite team it plays??? See summer and fall tourney results.

Not a perfect ranking or methodology but VLC not even ranked in the Top 100:
https://www.usclublax.com/fall-rankings.html

It is a fun idea to try to create a ranking of teams but any poster on this website could do a better job. Half the teams in the HOCO elite division are not even listed here. They get other regions wrong as well like the Philly suburbs. This is more like a random listing of teams at this age group.

Not a perfect ranking or methodology but VLC not even ranked in the Top 100:
https://www.usclublax.com/fall-rankings.html[/quote]
First VLC not listed because they are part of Crabs. Second they already beat 91md. [/quote]
Wrong. VLC is listed as #138. This "91MD shouldn't be elite" comes up every month and always results in same stunad saying VLC should be there. Makes you wonder if the whole thread's intent is for VLC Dad to make this irrational point. Though VLC is not a Crabs B team, they might as well be. Crabs 2023 would easily beat VLC 2023, even if their top players were missing.[/quote]
While I am sure some of these comments may be from a VLC dad, it is logical to compare these two teams only because one is Elite and has not won in two years and the other won the next division down last season. The issue is that some do not feel 91MD should be in the division. However a seven team division does not work. It does not matter anyway as the people making the decision do not care what is posted here. I do not think the whole question is some massive agenda simply based on records. My son plays for a team in the Elite group not listed in the ranking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is MM going to scam his 23 team into the Elite division again despite being winless for 2 years?

Yes. He has coached 27000 kids at his camps.

....And what does camp have to do with the 2023 team?? If 91 was not in the Elite who would be? I would think the way to go would be a six team division or a 10 team and add a few more.

VLC who won the AA division would easily beat 91.

The VLC team who loses to every Elite team it plays??? See summer and fall tourney results.

Not a perfect ranking or methodology but VLC not even ranked in the Top 100:
https://www.usclublax.com/fall-rankings.html

You must be a Team91 dad. My son plays for Looney's. We beat 91 by 1 goal and beat VLC by 2 goals this summer. Since 91 hasn't won a game in two years and VLC won the AA division, sounds logical to treat it like soccer relegation. Move 91 down and move VLC up.

Does anyone have any idea which 23 teams at the 'elite' level made a jump up to improve and which may have taken a step back? I heard Crabs reloaded after an awful 2018. Anyone else?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is MM going to scam his 23 team into the Elite division again despite being winless for 2 years?

Yes. He has coached 27000 kids at his camps.

....And what does camp have to do with the 2023 team?? If 91 was not in the Elite who would be? I would think the way to go would be a six team division or a 10 team and add a few more.

VLC who won the AA division would easily beat 91.

The VLC team who loses to every Elite team it plays??? See summer and fall tourney results.

Not a perfect ranking or methodology but VLC not even ranked in the Top 100:
https://www.usclublax.com/fall-rankings.html

You must be a Team91 dad. My son plays for Looney's. We beat 91 by 1 goal and beat VLC by 2 goals this summer. Since 91 hasn't won a game in two years and VLC won the AA division, sounds logical to treat it like soccer relegation. Move 91 down and move VLC up.

Interesting idea. I do not think that the 91 director will allow this. I have no idea if VLC even wants to move up.

You must be a Team91 dad. My son plays for Looney's. We beat 91 by 1 goal and beat VLC by 2 goals this summer. Since 91 hasn't won a game in two years and VLC won the AA division, sounds logical to treat it like soccer relegation. Move 91 down and move VLC up.[/quote]
Interesting idea. I do not think that the 91 director will allow this. I have no idea if VLC even wants to move up.[/quote]

A South River parent told me they were planning to move up. Would think VLC would want to play higher competition in advance of high school. HS club tournaments generally don't have multiple levels of competition. Cavalier and Cannons might want to as well. A 10 or 12 team league could work for all. You could give top teams hardest schedule and moving up teams easiest -- like NFL does.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You must be a Team91 dad. My son plays for Looney's. We beat 91 by 1 goal and beat VLC by 2 goals this summer. Since 91 hasn't won a game in two years and VLC won the AA division, sounds logical to treat it like soccer relegation. Move 91 down and move VLC up.

Interesting idea. I do not think that the 91 director will allow this. I have no idea if VLC even wants to move up.[/quote]

A South River parent told me they were planning to move up. Would think VLC would want to play higher competition in advance of high school. HS club tournaments generally don't have multiple levels of competition. Cavalier and Cannons might want to as well. A 10 or 12 team league could work for all. You could give top teams hardest schedule and moving up teams easiest -- like NFL does.[/quote]

The Elite div will be the same as last season:
1. There is a competition committee that reviews and makes schedules and sets the divisions
2. They are not reading the previous comments.

12 Teams is too many for an ELITE division.

What division do the Crabs play in?
Their 2023 team is AA but add the 2022 RoughRiders that are now 2023 Crabs and they are the top elite team. Just asking for a friend. (Hogans and Loonies may also be part of this argument)
Put everyone in 2023 that has one holdback or pre-first in Elite than call it a day (look at birth year). If the elite team has anyone playing up they cancel out the pre-first/holdback.
Let the real 8th graders fight it out in AA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What division do the Crabs play in?
Their 2023 team is AA but add the 2022 RoughRiders that are now 2023 Crabs and they are the top elite team. Just asking for a friend. (Hogans and Loonies may also be part of this argument)
Put everyone in 2023 that has one holdback or pre-first in Elite than call it a day (look at birth year). If the elite team has anyone playing up they cancel out the pre-first/holdback.
Let the real 8th graders fight it out in AA.

In other words nothing will change. The 2023 Crabs were already top3 in Elite. Hawks Looney FCA DCE NL and DC Dogs are also Elite. Argument was T91 but they will also have players with DOB prior to 9/30/2004. Most maybe all of the AA teams are true 8th graders so that is what will happen. Crabs and DC Dogs play in the final. MD 91 does not win a game despite the fact that director coaches secretly suits up in the final game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A South River parent told me they were planning to move up.

South River has been playing box down at Myers Pavillon this Winter. They have a solid team from what I've seen. Their entire offense does seem to rely on one kid though (he scored all but 1 or 2 of their goals in the game I watched).

When you go out to Cali and only put up two goals in the Championship game! Only 4 teams in a bracket and thousands of miles traveled to lose! Hey, a great time was had by all!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When you go out to Cali and only put up two goals in the Championship game! Only 4 teams in a bracket and thousands of miles traveled to lose! Hey, a great time was had by all!

I didn’t think you were allowed to play for another team if you played for Crabs? I certainly didn’t think it was ok to miss practice and play for another team. That sounds fair! Stay Classy!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When you go out to Cali and only put up two goals in the Championship game! Only 4 teams in a bracket and thousands of miles traveled to lose! Hey, a great time was had by all!

I didn’t think you were allowed to play for another team if you played for Crabs? I certainly didn’t think it was ok to miss practice and play for another team. That sounds fair! Stay Classy!

If your you boys didn't get an invite, the same program is sending an East Coast team out west to Sandstorm in mid-January. Reach out to their NJ director, they would welcome a few ringers. Minimum of 5 games in Palm Springs.

Several 91MD 2022's are now on the 2023 team. A couple played up at 2022 for years and MM's son needed an extra year to mature and make sure he was ready for High School Lacrosse

They will be much improved with these players, but feel very, very sorry for all the others on that team who have not been coached by Millon before. Their enjoyment for lacrosse is going to suffer for the next 2 years.

One kid moved to 91MD 2023 from 2022.

Have you seen the line-up for Young Guns? Very weak. What happened to this once great tournament? I know that the NLF, Millon Championships, Naptown, etc. have gotten more popular, but Young Guns have almost none of the top clubs and it used to be the best tournament of the summer. Sad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have you seen the line-up for Young Guns? Very weak. What happened to this once great tournament? I know that the NLF, Millon Championships, Naptown, etc. have gotten more popular, but Young Guns have almost none of the top clubs and it used to be the best tournament of the summer. Sad.

The best tournament is always and will always be a moving target. These clubs all have back door deals they are working with. This is once again why it is always a safer bet to play for a year in year out elite club and a club with history or being elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One kid moved to 91MD 2023 from 2022.

Thanks Mark ! I know he is the only one that counts but there is more players on the team than your son.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have you seen the line-up for Young Guns? Very weak. What happened to this once great tournament? I know that the NLF, Millon Championships, Naptown, etc. have gotten more popular, but Young Guns have almost none of the top clubs and it used to be the best tournament of the summer. Sad.

That is only for the 2023. It is strong in other age groups. Last year it was not as strong at 2022 but strong for 2023 and below. Next year it will be weaker at 2024. The rising 9th grade teams move to Crabfeast also run by the same group

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have you seen the line-up for Young Guns? Very weak. What happened to this once great tournament? I know that the NLF, Millon Championships, Naptown, etc. have gotten more popular, but Young Guns have almost none of the top clubs and it used to be the best tournament of the summer. Sad.

It was very good last year for 2023, but doesn't crab feast take over as the teams get older?

The 2023 division for Crabfeast looks solid. Besides after HOCO season ends the definition of a quality tournament is not judged on the teams in attendance but the college coaches that are there. Crabfeast will have a good showing. Most will not be looking at 23's but still the must attend tournaments will be the ones that draw coaches not clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2023 division for Crabfeast looks solid. Besides after HOCO season ends the definition of a quality tournament is not judged on the teams in attendance but the college coaches that are there. Crabfeast will have a good showing. Most will not be looking at 23's but still the must attend tournaments will be the ones that draw coaches not clubs.

This is a very dumb statement. The coaches follow the best players, The best players play for the best clubs. So if the best clubs are not at a tournament then the coaches will not be there. So lets go back to facts we all know the best 15 clubs give or take. If the tournament does not have 50% or more of the 15 top clubs playing in said tournament. There will not be a lot of coaches in attendance. Only exception would be a West coast or Texas tournament the coaches show up for a vacation and to find the hidden gym.
Also side note if your son is being recruited for real, the coaches from the schools that like him will come see him play in the back yard if they like him enough. Also big thing young parents need to learn is these coaches hit more then one tournament a day and 3 to 5 over a weekend. They feel if they see your son play 5 to 15 min. of lacrosse they see what they need to see. So back to my point above they make sure they hit these top 15 clubs every weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2023 division for Crabfeast looks solid. Besides after HOCO season ends the definition of a quality tournament is not judged on the teams in attendance but the college coaches that are there. Crabfeast will have a good showing. Most will not be looking at 23's but still the must attend tournaments will be the ones that draw coaches not clubs.

This is a very dumb statement. The coaches follow the best players, The best players play for the best clubs. So if the best clubs are not at a tournament then the coaches will not be there. So lets go back to facts we all know the best 15 clubs give or take. If the tournament does not have 50% or more of the 15 top clubs playing in said tournament. There will not be a lot of coaches in attendance. Only exception would be a West coast or Texas tournament the coaches show up for a vacation and to find the hidden gym.
Also side note if your son is being recruited for real, the coaches from the schools that like him will come see him play in the back yard if they like him enough. Also big thing young parents need to learn is these coaches hit more then one tournament a day and 3 to 5 over a weekend. They feel if they see your son play 5 to 15 min. of lacrosse they see what they need to see. So back to my point above they make sure they hit these top 15 clubs every weekend.

The first post is not a dumb statement as it states pretty much the same thing as your post. The post references Crab Feast which will have 50% of the top 15 every year. The point is that is does not matter if it is Crab Feast, Naptown, Millon event of whatever, the most important factor is the coaches in attendance. Coaches do not have time to go to HS games and do not go visit a an unknown kid in his yard. That is why as they get older, more kids "guest" play to match a tournament with a school they are interested in. You are correct that it may only need to be 10-15 min. Parents should ask coaches what events they will be attending and try to be at those events v. worry what other clubs will be there. It does help to play for a national or known program. More chances to hit more tournaments that a coach may be attending.
Also, I was not aware that TX was a place to go to get a secret workout at a hidden GYM??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2023 division for Crabfeast looks solid. Besides after HOCO season ends the definition of a quality tournament is not judged on the teams in attendance but the college coaches that are there. Crabfeast will have a good showing. Most will not be looking at 23's but still the must attend tournaments will be the ones that draw coaches not clubs.

This is a very dumb statement. The coaches follow the best players, The best players play for the best clubs. So if the best clubs are not at a tournament then the coaches will not be there. So lets go back to facts we all know the best 15 clubs give or take. If the tournament does not have 50% or more of the 15 top clubs playing in said tournament. There will not be a lot of coaches in attendance. Only exception would be a West coast or Texas tournament the coaches show up for a vacation and to find the hidden gym.
Also side note if your son is being recruited for real, the coaches from the schools that like him will come see him play in the back yard if they like him enough. Also big thing young parents need to learn is these coaches hit more then one tournament a day and 3 to 5 over a weekend. They feel if they see your son play 5 to 15 min. of lacrosse they see what they need to see. So back to my point above they make sure they hit these top 15 clubs every weekend.

The first post is not a dumb statement as it states pretty much the same thing as your post. The post references Crab Feast which will have 50% of the top 15 every year. The point is that is does not matter if it is Crab Feast, Naptown, Millon event of whatever, the most important factor is the coaches in attendance. Coaches do not have time to go to HS games and do not go visit a an unknown kid in his yard. That is why as they get older, more kids "guest" play to match a tournament with a school they are interested in. You are correct that it may only need to be 10-15 min. Parents should ask coaches what events they will be attending and try to be at those events v. worry what other clubs will be there. It does help to play for a national or known program. More chances to hit more tournaments that a coach may be attending.
Also, I was not aware that TX was a place to go to get a secret workout at a hidden GYM??

I have boys in the class of 2022 and 2023. Both are on top 10 teams in the country, give or take a few spots. Exactly zero college coaches watched 2022 games last summer. The summer of 2021 will be when it counts for this group.

Got word from a friend of a friend's 14 year old nosy neighbor who has an uncle that works for Howard Co. Parks and Rec and according to his assistant's boss's coworker, there are fewer teams registered this year at 2023. Looks like a good 30% fewer teams as registration is closing. Are more teams choosing to play in HOCO league?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Got word from a friend of a friend's 14 year old nosy neighbor who has an uncle that works for Howard Co. Parks and Rec and according to his assistant's boss's coworker, there are fewer teams registered this year at 2023. Looks like a good 30% fewer teams as registration is closing. Are more teams choosing to play in HOCO league?

As opposed to what, rec league play?

Just got back from NLF. I’d like to give a shout out to the crabs and Laxachusetts for their magical transformations of 16 year olds into 8th graders. Pathetic!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just got back from NLF. I’d like to give a shout out to the crabs and Laxachusetts for their magical transformations of 16 year olds into 8th graders. Pathetic!

Come on now, did you honestly expect any different?

Fake news

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just got back from NLF. I’d like to give a shout out to the crabs and Laxachusetts for their magical transformations of 16 year olds into 8th graders. Pathetic!

Come on now, did you honestly expect any different?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fake news

True NEWS.....

Don't forget the Madlax 2023 contingent of 16 year old boys

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just got back from NLF. I’d like to give a shout out to the crabs and Laxachusetts for their magical transformations of 16 year olds into 8th graders. Pathetic!

Come on now, did you honestly expect any different?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fake news

True NEWS.....

Don't forget the Madlax 2023 contingent of 16 year old boys

Not much better at Sandstorm with Madlax, True, Mustangs, etc.....not to mention the viral video from True - Mustangs game

Fake news. There are no 16 year olds in 8th grade playing lacrosse at Madlax. This means they would be 20 years old entering their senior year of high school and ineligible to play any sports, club included. Unless you are saying parents and the club are actively promoting the use of 2022's to play in tournaments. Hmmm. Maybe on that one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just got back from NLF. I’d like to give a shout out to the crabs and Laxachusetts for their magical transformations of 16 year olds into 8th graders. Pathetic!

Come on now, did you honestly expect any different?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fake news

True NEWS.....

Don't forget the Madlax 2023 contingent of 16 year old boys

Not much better at Sandstorm with Madlax, True, Mustangs, etc.....not to mention the viral video from True - Mustangs game

i'll bite. what happened? Link?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just got back from NLF. I’d like to give a shout out to the crabs and Laxachusetts for their magical transformations of 16 year olds into 8th graders. Pathetic!

Come on now, did you honestly expect any different?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fake news

True NEWS.....

Don't forget the Madlax 2023 contingent of 16 year old boys

Not much better at Sandstorm with Madlax, True, Mustangs, etc.....not to mention the viral video from True - Mustangs game

Can't be too viral. a search doesn't show it. post the link.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just got back from NLF. I’d like to give a shout out to the crabs and Laxachusetts for their magical transformations of 16 year olds into 8th graders. Pathetic!

Come on now, did you honestly expect any different?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fake news

True NEWS.....

Don't forget the Madlax 2023 contingent of 16 year old boys

Not much better at Sandstorm with Madlax, True, Mustangs, etc.....not to mention the viral video from True - Mustangs game

Can't be too viral. a search doesn't show it. post the link.

https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1087438002010419201?s=09

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just got back from NLF. I’d like to give a shout out to the crabs and Laxachusetts for their magical transformations of 16 year olds into 8th graders. Pathetic!

Come on now, did you honestly expect any different?

Fake news

True NEWS.....

Don't forget the Madlax 2023 contingent of 16 year old boys

Not much better at Sandstorm with Madlax, True, Mustangs, etc.....not to mention the viral video from True - Mustangs game

Can't be too viral. a search doesn't show it. post the link.

https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1087438002010419201?s=09

The stick swinger looks like the biggest kid out there. He is at least 6-10 inches bigger than the kid he is hitting with his stick.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just got back from NLF. I’d like to give a shout out to the crabs and Laxachusetts for their magical transformations of 16 year olds into 8th graders. Pathetic!

Come on now, did you honestly expect any different?

Fake news

True NEWS.....

Don't forget the Madlax 2023 contingent of 16 year old boys

Not much better at Sandstorm with Madlax, True, Mustangs, etc.....not to mention the viral video from True - Mustangs game

Can't be too viral. a search doesn't show it. post the link.

https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1087438002010419201?s=09

The stick swinger looks like the biggest kid out there. He is at least 6-10 inches bigger than the kid he is hitting with his stick.

There were quite a few big boys on the west coast teams, it truly is the wild west out there with kids playing down. I think a lot has to do with west coast teams trying to run with the more talented East coast teams. That being said, completely awesome tournament, venue is ridiculous, blows away Denver

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fake news. There are no 16 year olds in 8th grade playing lacrosse at Madlax. This means they would be 20 years old entering their senior year of high school and ineligible to play any sports, club included. Unless you are saying parents and the club are actively promoting the use of 2022's to play in tournaments. Hmmm. Maybe on that one.

Actually it is true as in the fall 2 got their learners permits and another turns 16 in Feb. you have to be 15 years and 9 months in MD to get a permit. So yes maybe 1 of them has his birthday tomorrow so he is not 16, but by the time HOCO starts there will be 3. That is REAL NEWS!!!

Forget what happens Sr year in HS, you can play club and that's all that really matters

Fake news or call out the numbers. I will report them to HoCo because I am with another club. You won't because you are lying and you don't have proof. It's an anonymous forum and you are in the right if it's true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just got back from NLF. I’d like to give a shout out to the crabs and Laxachusetts for their magical transformations of 16 year olds into 8th graders. Pathetic!

Come on now, did you honestly expect any different?

Fake news

True NEWS.....

Don't forget the Madlax 2023 contingent of 16 year old boys

Not much better at Sandstorm with Madlax, True, Mustangs, etc.....not to mention the viral video from True - Mustangs game

Can't be too viral. a search doesn't show it. post the link.

https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1087438002010419201?s=09

The stick swinger looks like the biggest kid out there. He is at least 6-10 inches bigger than the kid he is hitting with his stick.

There were quite a few big boys on the west coast teams, it truly is the wild west out there with kids playing down. I think a lot has to do with west coast teams trying to run with the more talented East coast teams. That being said, completely awesome tournament, venue is ridiculous, blows away Denver

Never bring a knife to a gun fight.

Any repercussions for the goon swinging the stick?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any repercussions for the goon swinging the stick?

Heard he was expelled from IMG

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any repercussions for the goon swinging the stick?

They kicked him out of the tournament. The kid's dad that did the swing went nuts, start yelling at his son.

According to the boys he put on another jersey and played in the next game, not 100% if this is true. The team was from KC and not very good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fake news or call out the numbers. I will report them to HoCo because I am with another club. You won't because you are lying and you don't have proof. It's an anonymous forum and you are in the right if it's true.

HOCO knows its true. The registration form has their birth date. If you were really a coach you would know that. We are talking about kids so you will never get me to lower myself to the level of identifying them .... But if you are a so called coach you know the team (previously named Club Blue 2023), ask HOCO to look at the registration froms 2 or 3 years ago to verify their ages.

But the simplest thing is to ask your son how old they are.... if he does not know them personally, I am pretty sure he can find out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fake news or call out the numbers. I will report them to HoCo because I am with another club. You won't because you are lying and you don't have proof. It's an anonymous forum and you are in the right if it's true.

HOCO knows its true. The registration form has their birth date. If you were really a coach you would know that. We are talking about kids so you will never get me to lower myself to the level of identifying them .... But if you are a so called coach you know the team (previously named Club Blue 2023), ask HOCO to look at the registration froms 2 or 3 years ago to verify their ages.

But the simplest thing is to ask your son how old they are.... if he does not know them personally, I am pretty sure he can find out.

You are correct and it is true. There are a number of teams in the elite division with young men who will not be eligible to participate in athletics in their senior year of high school. I'm not sure the parents realize or care or if it will be enforced when they get that far but it is truly a bad situation for HoCo. Not all of the teams have double holdbacks but most do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any repercussions for the goon swinging the stick?

They kicked him out of the tournament. The kid's dad that did the swing went nuts, start yelling at his son.

According to the boys he put on another jersey and played in the next game, not 100% if this is true. The team was from KC and not very good.

I thought he was playing on True IL. That said, I also heard he was a guest player.

Best part is that he spent his time beating on a kid half his size instead of playing defense. Smart attack saw that and capitalized for the goal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any repercussions for the goon swinging the stick?

They kicked him out of the tournament. The kid's dad that did the swing went nuts, start yelling at his son.

According to the boys he put on another jersey and played in the next game, not 100% if this is true. The team was from KC and not very good.

I thought he was playing on True IL. That said, I also heard he was a guest player.

Best part is that he spent his time beating on a kid half his size instead of playing defense. Smart attack saw that and capitalized for the goal.

Nope played for KC BLUE LION LACROSSE. Team didn't win a game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any repercussions for the goon swinging the stick?

They kicked him out of the tournament. The kid's dad that did the swing went nuts, start yelling at his son.

According to the boys he put on another jersey and played in the next game, not 100% if this is true. The team was from KC and not very good.

I thought he was playing on True IL. That said, I also heard he was a guest player.

Best part is that he spent his time beating on a kid half his size instead of playing defense. Smart attack saw that and capitalized for the goal.

He was playing for True Illinois, the clip is from True v. Texas Mustangs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fake news or call out the numbers. I will report them to HoCo because I am with another club. You won't because you are lying and you don't have proof. It's an anonymous forum and you are in the right if it's true.

HOCO knows its true. The registration form has their birth date. If you were really a coach you would know that. We are talking about kids so you will never get me to lower myself to the level of identifying them .... But if you are a so called coach you know the team (previously named Club Blue 2023), ask HOCO to look at the registration froms 2 or 3 years ago to verify their ages.

But the simplest thing is to ask your son how old they are.... if he does not know them personally, I am pretty sure he can find out.

You are correct and it is true. There are a number of teams in the elite division with young men who will not be eligible to participate in athletics in their senior year of high school. I'm not sure the parents realize or care or if it will be enforced when they get that far but it is truly a bad situation for HoCo. Not all of the teams have double holdbacks but most do.

I don’t understand. We all pay a boat load of money to these clubs for one reason and one reason only. It isn’t because we want these clubs to win more games so they can maximize profits for the club. That’s the goal of the clubs. Our goal is to get our kids better and maximize their potential. Yet so many kids play down against younger, smaller and inferior competition, than if they played at the level they are suppose to. Somebody please explain to me how that is what is in the best interest of the development of the player. I can see how it would obviously be in the best interest of the club, but common sense says the opposite is true for the child. Then why do so many parents do this to their children? People, you are lining the pockets of these club owners, helping them to win games, while you stunt the development of your children and give him a false sense of accomplishment. What’s going to happen in HS when his size is no longer his sole advantage? In fact, by then his lack of size, combined with years of stunted development, will serve him well in his new role on the team. Water boy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any repercussions for the goon swinging the stick?

They kicked him out of the tournament. The kid's dad that did the swing went nuts, start yelling at his son.

According to the boys he put on another jersey and played in the next game, not 100% if this is true. The team was from KC and not very good.

I thought he was playing on True IL. That said, I also heard he was a guest player.

Best part is that he spent his time beating on a kid half his size instead of playing defense. Smart attack saw that and capitalized for the goal.

He was playing for True Illinois, the clip is from True v. Texas Mustangs

Not it's not. It happened the first day on field 58. True didn't play the Mustangs until Sunday at noon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He was playing for True Illinois, the clip is from True v. Texas Mustangs

Not it's not. It happened the first day on field 58. True didn't play the Mustangs until Sunday at noon.

Uniform certainly doesn't look like the KC Blue Lions

The clip is from the KC Blue Lions game. True and Mustangs played the second game on Sunday. There was a lot of chatter on every sideline about the incident. Very disgusting.

Teams are starting to practice this month. Fall excuses are over (no more football.) This is the last season of HOCO for this age group and the more things change the more they stay the seam pre-season prediction from an official unofficial source: The know it all 14 year old neighbor.

HOCO Elite: This is a three team race of Hawks, Dogs (last season Club Blue) and Crabs. While the Crabs additional reclasses make this more competitive, final is still Hawks and Dogs. Question is if 91 can finally win a game with the new added talent from last season's 2022 team.

HOCO AA: This is the most changed group from last season as 3d is gone. Lax Factory is now 3d. Madlax Capital is gone and PG is now Next Level. FCA White, API, USS, should consider A and Koopers, Breakers, and Top Caliber should move to AA. Final will still be SR and VLC.

HOCO A: This division will be the battle of the second teams. Club Blue A and Lax World are gone, if NL PG and FCA White move down, breakers A, and maybe Top Caliber B this will be test of the best second teams in the Mid Atlantic. NL and Looney's in the final. HLC will also be a contender.

HOCO B: Top three teams from last season should move to A or AA and this could be a more competitive division. It will be interesting if True makes Wolfpack a better team. We could see True and HOCO in the finals.

Hopefully the boys enjoy a great cap to youth lacrosse and get ready for the summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Teams are starting to practice this month. Fall excuses are over (no more football.) This is the last season of HOCO for this age group and the more things change the more they stay the seam pre-season prediction from an official unofficial source: The know it all 14 year old neighbor.

HOCO Elite: This is a three team race of Hawks, Dogs (last season Club Blue) and Crabs. While the Crabs additional reclasses make this more competitive, final is still Hawks and Dogs. Question is if 91 can finally win a game with the new added talent from last season's 2022 team.

HOCO AA: This is the most changed group from last season as 3d is gone. Lax Factory is now 3d. Madlax Capital is gone and PG is now Next Level. FCA White, API, USS, should consider A and Koopers, Breakers, and Top Caliber should move to AA. Final will still be SR and VLC.

HOCO A: This division will be the battle of the second teams. Club Blue A and Lax World are gone, if NL PG and FCA White move down, breakers A, and maybe Top Caliber B this will be test of the best second teams in the Mid Atlantic. NL and Looney's in the final. HLC will also be a contender.

HOCO B: Top three teams from last season should move to A or AA and this could be a more competitive division. It will be interesting if True makes Wolfpack a better team. We could see True and HOCO in the finals.

Hopefully the boys enjoy a great cap to youth lacrosse and get ready for the summer.

Why would Koopers and Top Caliber move up to AA and not Looneys? Looneys beat Breakers in the A final last season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Teams are starting to practice this month. Fall excuses are over (no more football.) This is the last season of HOCO for this age group and the more things change the more they stay the seam pre-season prediction from an official unofficial source: The know it all 14 year old neighbor.

HOCO Elite: This is a three team race of Hawks, Dogs (last season Club Blue) and Crabs. While the Crabs additional reclasses make this more competitive, final is still Hawks and Dogs. Question is if 91 can finally win a game with the new added talent from last season's 2022 team.

HOCO AA: This is the most changed group from last season as 3d is gone. Lax Factory is now 3d. Madlax Capital is gone and PG is now Next Level. FCA White, API, USS, should consider A and Koopers, Breakers, and Top Caliber should move to AA. Final will still be SR and VLC.

HOCO A: This division will be the battle of the second teams. Club Blue A and Lax World are gone, if NL PG and FCA White move down, breakers A, and maybe Top Caliber B this will be test of the best second teams in the Mid Atlantic. NL and Looney's in the final. HLC will also be a contender.

HOCO B: Top three teams from last season should move to A or AA and this could be a more competitive division. It will be interesting if True makes Wolfpack a better team. We could see True and HOCO in the finals.

Hopefully the boys enjoy a great cap to youth lacrosse and get ready for the summer.

Why would Koopers and Top Caliber move up to AA and not Looneys? Looneys beat Breakers in the A final last season.

It is my understanding that Breakers advertised during tryouts that they plan to have a team in AA this spring. Looney's could play AA and Elite for the Orange team. I have not clue what they will do. Madlax may also have a second team and A div could made up of all second teams from ML, NL, Looney's, FCA, Breakers, TC and I would think Looney's green would win this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Teams are starting to practice this month. Fall excuses are over (no more football.) This is the last season of HOCO for this age group and the more things change the more they stay the seam pre-season prediction from an official unofficial source: The know it all 14 year old neighbor.

HOCO Elite: This is a three team race of Hawks, Dogs (last season Club Blue) and Crabs. While the Crabs additional reclasses make this more competitive, final is still Hawks and Dogs. Question is if 91 can finally win a game with the new added talent from last season's 2022 team.

HOCO AA: This is the most changed group from last season as 3d is gone. Lax Factory is now 3d. Madlax Capital is gone and PG is now Next Level. FCA White, API, USS, should consider A and Koopers, Breakers, and Top Caliber should move to AA. Final will still be SR and VLC.

HOCO A: This division will be the battle of the second teams. Club Blue A and Lax World are gone, if NL PG and FCA White move down, breakers A, and maybe Top Caliber B this will be test of the best second teams in the Mid Atlantic. NL and Looney's in the final. HLC will also be a contender.

HOCO B: Top three teams from last season should move to A or AA and this could be a more competitive division. It will be interesting if True makes Wolfpack a better team. We could see True and HOCO in the finals.

Hopefully the boys enjoy a great cap to youth lacrosse and get ready for the summer.

Why would Koopers and Top Caliber move up to AA and not Looneys? Looneys beat Breakers in the A final last season.

It is my understanding that Breakers advertised during tryouts that they plan to have a team in AA this spring. Looney's could play AA and Elite for the Orange team. I have not clue what they will do. Madlax may also have a second team and A div could made up of all second teams from ML, NL, Looney's, FCA, Breakers, TC and I would think Looney's green would win this.

Sent today to directors. 1st revision of 23 alignment. subject to change.

2023 Elite
Annapolis Hawks
Next Level Blue
Team 91
FCA Blue
South River
Crabs
VLC
DC Express Black
Madlax DC Dogs
Looney's Orange

2023 AA
Cavalier
Breakers
API Diamondbacks
FCA White
HLC (Hereford LC)
Saltwater Lacrosse
Top Caliber
Cannons Gold
AYLC (Annapolis Youth LC)
3D Maryland
Looney's Green
PLC Gold

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Teams are starting to practice this month. Fall excuses are over (no more football.) This is the last season of HOCO for this age group and the more things change the more they stay the seam pre-season prediction from an official unofficial source: The know it all 14 year old neighbor.

HOCO Elite: This is a three team race of Hawks, Dogs (last season Club Blue) and Crabs. While the Crabs additional reclasses make this more competitive, final is still Hawks and Dogs. Question is if 91 can finally win a game with the new added talent from last season's 2022 team.

HOCO AA: This is the most changed group from last season as 3d is gone. Lax Factory is now 3d. Madlax Capital is gone and PG is now Next Level. FCA White, API, USS, should consider A and Koopers, Breakers, and Top Caliber should move to AA. Final will still be SR and VLC.

HOCO A: This division will be the battle of the second teams. Club Blue A and Lax World are gone, if NL PG and FCA White move down, breakers A, and maybe Top Caliber B this will be test of the best second teams in the Mid Atlantic. NL and Looney's in the final. HLC will also be a contender.

HOCO B: Top three teams from last season should move to A or AA and this could be a more competitive division. It will be interesting if True makes Wolfpack a better team. We could see True and HOCO in the finals.

Hopefully the boys enjoy a great cap to youth lacrosse and get ready for the summer.

MD lacrosse at its best.. Top talent would be dismal without holdbacks/prefirsts/reclass..How did lacrosse get like this?? sad state for lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Teams are starting to practice this month. Fall excuses are over (no more football.) This is the last season of HOCO for this age group and the more things change the more they stay the seam pre-season prediction from an official unofficial source: The know it all 14 year old neighbor.

HOCO Elite: This is a three team race of Hawks, Dogs (last season Club Blue) and Crabs. While the Crabs additional reclasses make this more competitive, final is still Hawks and Dogs. Question is if 91 can finally win a game with the new added talent from last season's 2022 team.

HOCO AA: This is the most changed group from last season as 3d is gone. Lax Factory is now 3d. Madlax Capital is gone and PG is now Next Level. FCA White, API, USS, should consider A and Koopers, Breakers, and Top Caliber should move to AA. Final will still be SR and VLC.

HOCO A: This division will be the battle of the second teams. Club Blue A and Lax World are gone, if NL PG and FCA White move down, breakers A, and maybe Top Caliber B this will be test of the best second teams in the Mid Atlantic. NL and Looney's in the final. HLC will also be a contender.

HOCO B: Top three teams from last season should move to A or AA and this could be a more competitive division. It will be interesting if True makes Wolfpack a better team. We could see True and HOCO in the finals.

Hopefully the boys enjoy a great cap to youth lacrosse and get ready for the summer.

Why would Koopers and Top Caliber move up to AA and not Looneys? Looneys beat Breakers in the A final last season.

It is my understanding that Breakers advertised during tryouts that they plan to have a team in AA this spring. Looney's could play AA and Elite for the Orange team. I have not clue what they will do. Madlax may also have a second team and A div could made up of all second teams from ML, NL, Looney's, FCA, Breakers, TC and I would think Looney's green would win this.

Sent today to directors. 1st revision of 23 alignment. subject to change.

2023 Elite
Annapolis Hawks
Next Level Blue
Team 91
FCA Blue
South River
Crabs
VLC
DC Express Black
Madlax DC Dogs
Looney's Orange

2023 AA
Cavalier
Breakers
API Diamondbacks
FCA White
HLC (Hereford LC)
Saltwater Lacrosse
Top Caliber
Cannons Gold
AYLC (Annapolis Youth LC)
3D Maryland
Looney's Green
PLC Gold

what about A and B brackets any word? Thanks for sharing!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Teams are starting to practice this month. Fall excuses are over (no more football.) This is the last season of HOCO for this age group and the more things change the more they stay the seam pre-season prediction from an official unofficial source: The know it all 14 year old neighbor.

HOCO Elite: This is a three team race of Hawks, Dogs (last season Club Blue) and Crabs. While the Crabs additional reclasses make this more competitive, final is still Hawks and Dogs. Question is if 91 can finally win a game with the new added talent from last season's 2022 team.

HOCO AA: This is the most changed group from last season as 3d is gone. Lax Factory is now 3d. Madlax Capital is gone and PG is now Next Level. FCA White, API, USS, should consider A and Koopers, Breakers, and Top Caliber should move to AA. Final will still be SR and VLC.

HOCO A: This division will be the battle of the second teams. Club Blue A and Lax World are gone, if NL PG and FCA White move down, breakers A, and maybe Top Caliber B this will be test of the best second teams in the Mid Atlantic. NL and Looney's in the final. HLC will also be a contender.

HOCO B: Top three teams from last season should move to A or AA and this could be a more competitive division. It will be interesting if True makes Wolfpack a better team. We could see True and HOCO in the finals.

Hopefully the boys enjoy a great cap to youth lacrosse and get ready for the summer.

Why would Koopers and Top Caliber move up to AA and not Looneys? Looneys beat Breakers in the A final last season.

It is my understanding that Breakers advertised during tryouts that they plan to have a team in AA this spring. Looney's could play AA and Elite for the Orange team. I have not clue what they will do. Madlax may also have a second team and A div could made up of all second teams from ML, NL, Looney's, FCA, Breakers, TC and I would think Looney's green would win this.

Sent today to directors. 1st revision of 23 alignment. subject to change.

2023 Elite
Annapolis Hawks
Next Level Blue
Team 91
FCA Blue
South River
Crabs
VLC
DC Express Black
Madlax DC Dogs
Looney's Orange

2023 AA
Cavalier
Breakers
API Diamondbacks
FCA White
HLC (Hereford LC)
Saltwater Lacrosse
Top Caliber
Cannons Gold
AYLC (Annapolis Youth LC)
3D Maryland
Looney's Green
PLC Gold

what about A and B brackets any word? Thanks for sharing!

2023 A
USS Destroyers
Next Level Red
Breakers
MDX - R
Koopers
Zingos
Thunder
Eastside Lacrosse
DC Express Orange
Cannons Blue

2023 B
Kelly Post
FLC (Fallston LC)
G
Zingos
True Maryland
Madlax DMV
HoCo
Team Maryland LC
Rockfish Neon
Bay Dogs
Green Hornets
PLC Black

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Teams are starting to practice this month. Fall excuses are over (no more football.) This is the last season of HOCO for this age group and the more things change the more they stay the seam pre-season prediction from an official unofficial source: The know it all 14 year old neighbor.

HOCO Elite: This is a three team race of Hawks, Dogs (last season Club Blue) and Crabs. While the Crabs additional reclasses make this more competitive, final is still Hawks and Dogs. Question is if 91 can finally win a game with the new added talent from last season's 2022 team.

HOCO AA: This is the most changed group from last season as 3d is gone. Lax Factory is now 3d. Madlax Capital is gone and PG is now Next Level. FCA White, API, USS, should consider A and Koopers, Breakers, and Top Caliber should move to AA. Final will still be SR and VLC.

HOCO A: This division will be the battle of the second teams. Club Blue A and Lax World are gone, if NL PG and FCA White move down, breakers A, and maybe Top Caliber B this will be test of the best second teams in the Mid Atlantic. NL and Looney's in the final. HLC will also be a contender.

HOCO B: Top three teams from last season should move to A or AA and this could be a more competitive division. It will be interesting if True makes Wolfpack a better team. We could see True and HOCO in the finals.

Hopefully the boys enjoy a great cap to youth lacrosse and get ready for the summer.

Why would Koopers and Top Caliber move up to AA and not Looneys? Looneys beat Breakers in the A final last season.

It is my understanding that Breakers advertised during tryouts that they plan to have a team in AA this spring. Looney's could play AA and Elite for the Orange team. I have not clue what they will do. Madlax may also have a second team and A div could made up of all second teams from ML, NL, Looney's, FCA, Breakers, TC and I would think Looney's green would win this.

Sent today to directors. 1st revision of 23 alignment. subject to change.

2023 Elite
Annapolis Hawks
Next Level Blue
Team 91
FCA Blue
South River
Crabs
VLC
DC Express Black
Madlax DC Dogs
Looney's Orange

2023 AA
Cavalier
Breakers
API Diamondbacks
FCA White
HLC (Hereford LC)
Saltwater Lacrosse
Top Caliber
Cannons Gold
AYLC (Annapolis Youth LC)
3D Maryland
Looney's Green
PLC Gold

what about A and B brackets any word? Thanks for sharing!

2023 A
USS Destroyers
Next Level Red
Breakers
MDX - R
Koopers
Zingos
Thunder
Eastside Lacrosse
DC Express Orange
Cannons Blue

2023 B
Kelly Post
FLC (Fallston LC)
G
Zingos
True Maryland
Madlax DMV
HoCo
Team Maryland LC
Rockfish Neon
Bay Dogs
Green Hornets
PLC Black

Do you happen to have this info for 2026? I have a son in both age levels.

What high school are the top 23’s heading to?

[/quote]

Do you happen to have this info for 2026? I have a son in both age levels.[/quote]

2026 AA
Annapolis Hawks
Team 91
Arden Diamondbacks
FCA
Bethesda Blue
Crabs
VLC
Madlax Capital
AYLC (Annapolis Youth LC)
Looney's Orange
2026 A
Next Level
Kelly Post
Dark Horse
SCYL (South Carroll)
HLC (Hereford LC)
FLC (Fallston LC)
Zingos
Eastside Lacrosse
Green Hornets
Roughriders
HoCo
Forest Hill Select
Bay Dogs
3D Maryland
3D Virginia
Sidewinders

2026 B
MLC (Maryland LC)
Breakers
Kelly Post
MDX - R
Koopers
Bethesda Orange
Coppermine
True Maryland
Cannons
Madlax DMV
Team Maryland LC
CLC (Catonsville)
Bel Air

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you happen to have this info for 2026? I have a son in both age levels.[/quote]

2026 AA
Annapolis Hawks
Team 91
Arden Diamondbacks
FCA
Bethesda Blue
Crabs
VLC
Madlax Capital
AYLC (Annapolis Youth LC)
Looney's Orange
2026 A
Next Level
Kelly Post
Dark Horse
SCYL (South Carroll)
HLC (Hereford LC)
FLC (Fallston LC)
Zingos
Eastside Lacrosse
Green Hornets
Roughriders
HoCo
Forest Hill Select
Bay Dogs
3D Maryland
3D Virginia
Sidewinders

2026 B
MLC (Maryland LC)
Breakers
Kelly Post
MDX - R
Koopers
Bethesda Orange
Coppermine
True Maryland
Cannons
Madlax DMV
Team Maryland LC
CLC (Catonsville)
Bel Air

[/quote]
thanks!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What high school are the top 23’s heading to?

All of them? I think that with the Elite Division teams the only one that I know if with strong ties to one particular HS is DC Dogs and Georgetown Prep. The other teams will mirror previous years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What high school are the top 23’s heading to?

All of them? I think that with the Elite Division teams the only one that I know if with strong ties to one particular HS is DC Dogs and Georgetown Prep. The other teams will mirror previous years.

What are the historical ties between clubs and certain HS?

Many of those DC Dogs will follow similar paths of recent Mater Dei 8th grade wonders who matriculate to Prep--by the time they are juniors and ready to play varsity the size advantage they have by being older as 8th graders compared to their peers will be largely gone and they won't look like wonders anymore.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What high school are the top 23’s heading to?

All of them? I think that with the Elite Division teams the only one that I know if with strong ties to one particular HS is DC Dogs and Georgetown Prep. The other teams will mirror previous years.

What are the historical ties between clubs and certain HS?

Good question. I would say that if more than 7-8 players from one Elite club move to the same HS it can be considered a tie to that club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What high school are the top 23’s heading to?

All of them? I think that with the Elite Division teams the only one that I know if with strong ties to one particular HS is DC Dogs and Georgetown Prep. The other teams will mirror previous years.

What are the historical ties between clubs and certain HS?

Good question. I would say that if more than 7-8 players from one Elite club move to the same HS it can be considered a tie to that club.

but is it known that club X has ties to HS Y?

My oldest is only 11, just curious.

Calvert Hall, Dematha, Saint Mary’s, Severn, Spalding, Saint Johns...just depends who has the best recruiting process. Tell the parents their freshman will be starting at varsity and take their 20k a year.

How about FCA aligned with Calvert Hall via Bryan Kelly?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How about FCA aligned with Calvert Hall via Bryan Kelly?

Crabs 2020 has 13 kids committed from 9 different schools.

I think the poster was asking about club programs and high schools... I don't have specific numbers or know if these are completely accurate, but here are a few...

Hawks - St. Mary's, Spalding, Severn
Club Blue/DC Dawgs - Matre Dei
Bethesda/DC Express - Landon/Bullis
Crabs - Boys Latin / Loyola / Gilman / McDonogh
FCA - Calvert Hall

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think the poster was asking about club programs and high schools... I don't have specific numbers or know if these are completely accurate, but here are a few...

Hawks - St. Mary's, Spalding, Severn
Club Blue/DC Dawgs - Matre Dei
Bethesda/DC Express - Landon/Bullis
Crabs - Boys Latin / Loyola / Gilman / McDonogh
FCA - Calvert Hall

Spot on , look at location of clubs and it makes sense.. tho most teams have multiple schools represented.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think the poster was asking about club programs and high schools... I don't have specific numbers or know if these are completely accurate, but here are a few...

Hawks - St. Mary's, Spalding, Severn
Club Blue/DC Dawgs - Matre Dei
Bethesda/DC Express - Landon/Bullis
Crabs - Boys Latin / Loyola / Gilman / McDonogh
FCA - Calvert Hall

Spot on , look at location of clubs and it makes sense.. tho most teams have multiple schools represented.

Madlax - Gonzaga, St. Stephen's, Episcopal
VLC - Paul VI

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think the poster was asking about club programs and high schools... I don't have specific numbers or know if these are completely accurate, but here are a few...

Hawks - St. Mary's, Spalding, Severn
Club Blue/DC Dawgs - Matre Dei
Bethesda/DC Express - Landon/Bullis
Crabs - Boys Latin / Loyola / Gilman / McDonogh
FCA - Calvert Hall

Spot on , look at location of clubs and it makes sense.. tho most teams have multiple schools represented.

Madlax - Gonzaga, St. Stephen's, Episcopal
VLC - Paul VI

Dematha??

By the way:

Happy Birthday to the DC Dogs player that had his sweet 16 birthday party 3 weeks ago.

That makes three 16 year old men on the team playing against 13 and 14 year old boys.....

I bet if I took 3 top tier juniors from Boys Latin and had them play on 91MD the would also be in the finals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

By the way:

Happy Birthday to the DC Dogs player that had his sweet 16 birthday party 3 weeks ago.

That makes three 16 year old men on the team playing against 13 and 14 year old boys.....

I bet if I took 3 top tier juniors from Boys Latin and had them play on 91MD the would also be in the finals.

Haha. Hopefully that is an exaggeration. I was 17 for a semester of college!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

By the way:

Happy Birthday to the DC Dogs player that had his sweet 16 birthday party 3 weeks ago.

That makes three 16 year old men on the team playing against 13 and 14 year old boys.....

I bet if I took 3 top tier juniors from Boys Latin and had them play on 91MD the would also be in the finals.

Make sense except for finding 3 top tier Juniors at BL that are only 16.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

By the way:

Happy Birthday to the DC Dogs player that had his sweet 16 birthday party 3 weeks ago.

That makes three 16 year old men on the team playing against 13 and 14 year old boys.....

I bet if I took 3 top tier juniors from Boys Latin and had them play on 91MD the would also be in the finals.

Make sense except for finding 3 top tier Juniors at BL that are only 16.

Zing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

By the way:

Happy Birthday to the DC Dogs player that had his sweet 16 birthday party 3 weeks ago.

That makes three 16 year old men on the team playing against 13 and 14 year old boys.....

I bet if I took 3 top tier juniors from Boys Latin and had them play on 91MD the would also be in the finals.

Funny when Baltimore prep school dads complain about older players... probably Crabs dads too.... it’s okay dad, jr can repeat 8th in addition to his pre-K year to catch up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

By the way:

Happy Birthday to the DC Dogs player that had his sweet 16 birthday party 3 weeks ago.

That makes three 16 year old men on the team playing against 13 and 14 year old boys.....

I bet if I took 3 top tier juniors from Boys Latin and had them play on 91MD the would also be in the finals.

Make sense except for finding 3 top tier Juniors at BL that are only 16.

Exactly. All the top 16 year olds at BL are on the Crabs 2024 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

By the way:

Happy Birthday to the DC Dogs player that had his sweet 16 birthday party 3 weeks ago.

That makes three 16 year old men on the team playing against 13 and 14 year old boys.....

I bet if I took 3 top tier juniors from Boys Latin and had them play on 91MD the would also be in the finals.

Make sense except for finding 3 top tier Juniors at BL that are only 16.

Exactly. All the top 16 year olds at BL are on the Crabs 2024 team.

OK that was funny.

MadLax will have 3 16 year olds too. I can't believe the other teams don't stand up to this unless they are hoping to have a bunch in the future too.

Almost every team in the elite division has at least 1 16 year old. All of the other teams have a majority of the players born prior to 9/1. it is truly a 14, 15 and some 16 year old division. The other divisions are closer to 13 and 14 year olds.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Almost every team in the elite division has at least 1 16 year old. All of the other teams have a majority of the players born prior to 9/1. it is truly a 14, 15 and some 16 year old division. The other divisions are closer to 13 and 14 year olds.

23 Hawks have no kids even close to 16. A few close to 15 - no 15 year olds yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Almost every team in the elite division has at least 1 16 year old. All of the other teams have a majority of the players born prior to 9/1. it is truly a 14, 15 and some 16 year old division. The other divisions are closer to 13 and 14 year olds.

My son's birthday is Spring '05 and he will play in the HOCO elite Div. Yes there are some kids with DOB prior to 9/1/04 but many others after this. I have never asked a parent about a kids's DOB but have never heard of teams with 16 year olds other than on this website. There are well known 14 year old basketball players who are 6'3, 6'4 and size is not the only indicator. If you have first hand knowledge then you are a parent of or close friend of a 16 year old 8th grader and you are "outing" them here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Almost every team in the elite division has at least 1 16 year old. All of the other teams have a majority of the players born prior to 9/1. it is truly a 14, 15 and some 16 year old division. The other divisions are closer to 13 and 14 year olds.

16? My son is on Crabs 2022 and he's only 15. I know there are holdbacks, but there are 16 year old on 2023 teams? That would mean they turn 19 in 11th grade? Which means they can't play in the MIAA their senior year.

almost every team in the elite division has at least one 16 year old? at the 2023 level? Puhlease. Not true. Don't dilute a legitimate discussion about holdbacks and their effect at the 8th grade level with baseless hypebole.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Almost every team in the elite division has at least 1 16 year old. All of the other teams have a majority of the players born prior to 9/1. it is truly a 14, 15 and some 16 year old division. The other divisions are closer to 13 and 14 year olds.

16? My son is on Crabs 2022 and he's only 15. I know there are holdbacks, but there are 16 year old on 2023 teams? That would mean they turn 19 in 11th grade? Which means they can't play in the MIAA their senior year.

I believe we will see this situation move from theoretical to real at a certain boarding school out in Owings Mills in the next season or two. Will be interesting to see if / how it is enforced. Knowing what we know about the school it is safe to say that it is unlikely that the upcoming situation will be self-policed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Almost every team in the elite division has at least 1 16 year old. All of the other teams have a majority of the players born prior to 9/1. it is truly a 14, 15 and some 16 year old division. The other divisions are closer to 13 and 14 year olds.

16? My son is on Crabs 2022 and he's only 15. I know there are holdbacks, but there are 16 year old on 2023 teams? That would mean they turn 19 in 11th grade? Which means they can't play in the MIAA their senior year.

My take is that these parents may say .....if you are playing varsity your Jr year you can be picked up, also by the time spring of Sr year comes around, if you do not get an offer, you are not getting an offer to a top 10 school, so you play club and go for the best offer available....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Almost every team in the elite division has at least 1 16 year old. All of the other teams have a majority of the players born prior to 9/1. it is truly a 14, 15 and some 16 year old division. The other divisions are closer to 13 and 14 year olds.

My son's birthday is Spring '05 and he will play in the HOCO elite Div. Yes there are some kids with DOB prior to 9/1/04 but many others after this. I have never asked a parent about a kids's DOB but have never heard of teams with 16 year olds other than on this website. There are well known 14 year old basketball players who are 6'3, 6'4 and size is not the only indicator. If you have first hand knowledge then you are a parent of or close friend of a 16 year old 8th grader and you are "outing" them here.

Call HoCo and ask yourself. They don't give out specifics but they do confirm there are 16 year olds playing this year. There will be close to 10 in the league. They also confirm every roster in the division has a strong majority of kids born in 2004 and not 2005. They will also confirm almost every team has a majority of their roster born prior to 9/1. BTW - the majority of the Hawks have close to the entire team born in 2004 and more than half of those have summer birthdays.

The 19 year old sports eligibility rule is there but hardly ever enforced unless it involves a foreign born athlete where passports and citizenship become public.

HoCo shakes their head at it but are standing by it by saying the league is run by the teams and it is up to the clubs to regulate themselves.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Almost every team in the elite division has at least 1 16 year old. All of the other teams have a majority of the players born prior to 9/1. it is truly a 14, 15 and some 16 year old division. The other divisions are closer to 13 and 14 year olds.

My son's birthday is Spring '05 and he will play in the HOCO elite Div. Yes there are some kids with DOB prior to 9/1/04 but many others after this. I have never asked a parent about a kids's DOB but have never heard of teams with 16 year olds other than on this website. There are well known 14 year old basketball players who are 6'3, 6'4 and size is not the only indicator. If you have first hand knowledge then you are a parent of or close friend of a 16 year old 8th grader and you are "outing" them here.

What is the issue with outing a 16 year old playing in an 8th grade lacrosse league against 13 and 14 year olds? IMO, it's really about outing the rules and regulations the league has set up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Almost every team in the elite division has at least 1 16 year old. All of the other teams have a majority of the players born prior to 9/1. it is truly a 14, 15 and some 16 year old division. The other divisions are closer to 13 and 14 year olds.

16? My son is on Crabs 2022 and he's only 15. I know there are holdbacks, but there are 16 year old on 2023 teams? That would mean they turn 19 in 11th grade? Which means they can't play in the MIAA their senior year.

My son is 16 and he's on the Crabs 2020 team. The parents posting about 16 year olds on 2023 teams are clueless.

410-313-4706 dludlow@howardcountymd.gov

Let us know what they tell you.

There is a certain younger team in lower MoCo with 2 kids born in November and December of the year prior and about 5 or 6 more born prior to 3/1. You don't think it's possible 1 of those kids will repeat and be a 16 year old in 8th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Almost every team in the elite division has at least 1 16 year old. All of the other teams have a majority of the players born prior to 9/1. it is truly a 14, 15 and some 16 year old division. The other divisions are closer to 13 and 14 year olds.

16? My son is on Crabs 2022 and he's only 15. I know there are holdbacks, but there are 16 year old on 2023 teams? That would mean they turn 19 in 11th grade? Which means they can't play in the MIAA their senior year.

My son is 16 and he's on the Crabs 2020 team. The parents posting about 16 year olds on 2023 teams are clueless.

There is a certain younger team in lower MoCo with 2 kids born in November and December of the year prior to the 9/1 date. and about 5 or 6 more born prior to 3/1. You don't think it's possible 1 of these 7/8 kids will repeat and be a 16 year old in 8th grade? HoCo doesn't deny it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

410-313-4706 dludlow@howardcountymd.gov

Let us know what they tell you.

Howard County Recreation Department will always be the leader in the Lacrosse Hall Of Shame world. About five years ago it was the match that light the fire in the world of holdback lacrosse. It gave holdbacks/prefirst/reclass an outlet to play down against younger players. Until then ALL YOUTH lacrosse was age based.

Its managers had ties to MIAA schools at the time and wanted a place for the holdbacks. Disgusting.
Every league in Howard County Recreation is age based except this lacrosse league. Disgusting.

And notIntelligent MYLA at the time gave HoCO its blessing?? Ruined age based lacrosse in MD two years after starting.

HOCO a public run and taxpayer funded org that helps out the private schools prefirst/holdback/reclass play down and get an advantage . Amazing.

“A certain boarding school in Owings Mills”? Call the league, I’m sure there are a lots of teams who would insist on punishing such a successful program. God this is dumb. Why would they take kids who are ineligible? 2023 is an age where kids start to really stand out, or get weeded out, based on size and speed. Moat of that is in the DNA, some of it is work ethic. But when freshmen and sophomores make, play and l/or start on MIAA Varsity rosters against kids who are older, tells you they are simply very good (because under the posters’ logic, aren’t those older kids on Varisty teams also all holdbacks and my favorite unicorn “double holdbacks?”). I guess logic isn’t on the HH menu at the Greene Turtle...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is a certain younger team in lower MoCo with 2 kids born in November and December of the year prior and about 5 or 6 more born prior to 3/1. You don't think it's possible 1 of those kids will repeat and be a 16 year old in 8th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Almost every team in the elite division has at least 1 16 year old. All of the other teams have a majority of the players born prior to 9/1. it is truly a 14, 15 and some 16 year old division. The other divisions are closer to 13 and 14 year olds.

16? My son is on Crabs 2022 and he's only 15. I know there are holdbacks, but there are 16 year old on 2023 teams? That would mean they turn 19 in 11th grade? Which means they can't play in the MIAA their senior year.

My son is 16 and he's on the Crabs 2020 team. The parents posting about 16 year olds on 2023 teams are clueless.

There is a certain younger team in lower MoCo with 2 kids born in November and December of the year prior to the 9/1 date. and about 5 or 6 more born prior to 3/1. You don't think it's possible 1 of these 7/8 kids will repeat and be a 16 year old in 8th grade? HoCo doesn't deny it.

For the safety of these kids, I think HOCO might want to ban 13 year olds from playing in the Elite Div.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is a certain younger team in lower MoCo with 2 kids born in November and December of the year prior and about 5 or 6 more born prior to 3/1. You don't think it's possible 1 of those kids will repeat and be a 16 year old in 8th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Almost every team in the elite division has at least 1 16 year old. All of the other teams have a majority of the players born prior to 9/1. it is truly a 14, 15 and some 16 year old division. The other divisions are closer to 13 and 14 year olds.

16? My son is on Crabs 2022 and he's only 15. I know there are holdbacks, but there are 16 year old on 2023 teams? That would mean they turn 19 in 11th grade? Which means they can't play in the MIAA their senior year.

My son is 16 and he's on the Crabs 2020 team. The parents posting about 16 year olds on 2023 teams are clueless.

There is a certain younger team in lower MoCo with 2 kids born in November and December of the year prior to the 9/1 date. and about 5 or 6 more born prior to 3/1. You don't think it's possible 1 of these 7/8 kids will repeat and be a 16 year old in 8th grade? HoCo doesn't deny it.

For the safety of these kids, I think HOCO might want to ban 13 year olds from playing in the Elite Div.

Good one. My kid is 13 and won't turn 14 until the end of the summer, and he is playing 2023 elite division. He loves playing with the older kids. No complaints here.

good for you

happy for you enjoy your season

You should have added - “... of course my son is unlike other 13 year olds in that he reached physical maturity abnormally early so he resembles a 16 year old.”

Re: holdbacks, is there ever a concern from a legal POV? Leagues/tourneys knowing significantly older players playing in younger age groups?

The HoCo schedule is out. Intersting divisions, but nice that most of the teams in each division will get to face each other. And not have a fluke undefeated team that happen to get a schedule against the "weaker" teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can't

My son is on 2022 , now 15. I know 2023 crabs team and it's laughable that some clown would post that they have 16vyr olds. They need to have facts to back this up. Can't believe same people on here whining about holdbacks etc.

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

My son is on 2022 , now 15. I know 2023 crabs team and it's laughable that some clown would post that they have 16vyr olds. They need to have facts to back this up. Can't believe same people on here whining about holdbacks etc.

Cant believe there is still holdback apologists defending playing down in youth lacrosse !

The holdback discussion has been beaten to death; unfortunately its a part of YOUTH Lacrosse and will not be going away anytime soon. I discuss this with my 13 year old son frequently and he understands if he is going to compete at this level and against older kids he just needs to work harder. In the end it will just make him a better lacrosse player and more importantly a better young man; isn't the later the goal here?

Time to move to actual lacrosse this weekend! IMHO
Final Four's
Elite: Dogs, Hawks, Crabs, Looney's.
AAA: SR, VLC, Cav, Cannon's
AA: AYLC, SaltW, TopC, API
A: USS, G, NL-R, DCE-O
B: Z, True, Team M., KP

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Time to move to actual lacrosse this weekend! IMHO
Final Four's
Elite: Dogs, Hawks, Crabs, Looney's.
AAA: SR, VLC, Cav, Cannon's
AA: AYLC, SaltW, TopC, API
A: USS, G, NL-R, DCE-O
B: Z, True, Team M., KP

Elite: Crabs, Hawks, DOGS, FCA
AAA: FCA, VLC, SR, Diamondbacks
AA: Saltwater, AYLC, Looney's HLC
A: NL-R, DC Express, USS, Green Hornets
B: Team M, True, PLC-B, FLC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Time to move to actual lacrosse this weekend! IMHO
Final Four's
Elite: Dogs, Hawks, Crabs, Looney's.
AAA: SR, VLC, Cav, Cannon's
AA: AYLC, SaltW, TopC, API
A: USS, G, NL-R, DCE-O
B: Z, True, Team M., KP

Elite: Crabs, Hawks, DOGS, FCA
AAA: FCA, VLC, SR, Diamondbacks
AA: Saltwater, AYLC, Looney's HLC
A: NL-R, DC Express, USS, Green Hornets
B: Team M, True, PLC-B, FLC

Sounds about right except Diamond Backs are in AA and Looney-Green are in AAA.

you should be proud...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Time to move to actual lacrosse this weekend! IMHO
Final Four's
Elite: Dogs, Hawks, Crabs, Looney's.
AAA: SR, VLC, Cav, Cannon's
AA: AYLC, SaltW, TopC, API
A: USS, G, NL-R, DCE-O
B: Z, True, Team M., KP

Elite: Crabs, Hawks, DOGS, FCA
AAA: FCA, VLC, SR, Diamondbacks
AA: Saltwater, AYLC, Looney's HLC
A: NL-R, DC Express, USS, Green Hornets
B: Team M, True, PLC-B, FLC

I thought the NL 23's were supposed to be pretty good. Did they lose players?

How does Team 91 MD stay at Elite after going winless 2 years in a row. Sad that politics rules HoCo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Time to move to actual lacrosse this weekend! IMHO
Final Four's
Elite: Dogs, Hawks, Crabs, Looney's.
AAA: SR, VLC, Cav, Cannon's
AA: AYLC, SaltW, TopC, API
A: USS, G, NL-R, DCE-O
B: Z, True, Team M., KP

Elite: Crabs, Hawks, DOGS, FCA
AAA: FCA, VLC, SR, Diamondbacks
AA: Saltwater, AYLC, Looney's HLC
A: NL-R, DC Express, USS, Green Hornets
B: Team M, True, PLC-B, FLC

I thought the NL 23's were supposed to be pretty good. Did they lose players?

NL 23 is good but the Elite teams are tough I do not think they are top4

Who is coaching Looneys today

Congrats to MarkMillon for calling a kid on his team "trash" after the game today.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to MarkMillon for calling a kid on his team "trash" after the game today.

I'm SHOCKED. Shocked, I tell you.

A HOF Coach and holdback cant help this game team. Looks to have taken a step back. Drop 91 down a tier.

Can someone post today's scores . . . ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to MarkMillon for calling a kid on his team "trash" after the game today.

I'm SHOCKED. Shocked, I tell you.

I guess MM is adding to his quotes for players..... Break His arms , Give it to the 9th grader, etc... and now....Trash !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone post today's scores . . . ?

FCA 14 - 6 over 91
Crabs 12 - 1 over NL
Hawks 17 - 5 over Looney’s

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A HOF Coach and holdback cant help this game team. Looks to have taken a step back. Drop 91 down a tier.

Not a HOF coach.

"Give it to the 9th grader"...now he can use that for his own team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Give it to the 9th grader"...now he can use that for his own team.

OUCH !!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is coaching Looneys today

Why?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is coaching Looneys today

Why?

And which team?

Any 23’s trying out for UA teams. Only 1 2022 made it last year. Is it worth it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any 23’s trying out for UA teams. Only 1 2022 made it last year. Is it worth it?

For the chance to go against many different good players it is...To make team, your chances are very slim if any.

Frankly the teams have many players already slotted for the team. Look at any region and coach and look at majority of players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to MarkMillon for calling a kid on his team "trash" after the game today.

I'm SHOCKED. Shocked, I tell you.

I guess MM is adding to his quotes for players..... Break His arms , Give it to the 9th grader, etc... and now....Trash !

Well that is much better than calling a 7th grader who was coming back from a broken leg a F#$%N P@#$Y in front of his teammates simply because he was running midfield with a slight gimp the first week he was released to play. Good coaches single out players and always blame the losses, or even substandard wins on a player right? It could not possibly be because of Millon's coaching? After all, he is the "GOAT". Calling a kid trash is actually real progress for Millon. That guy is THE worst youth coach without question. He acts like he loves your kid and family and then he just mentally destroys them behind the scenes. Watching ignorant lacrosse parents fall for it is absolutely mind boggling. You are better off handing your kid over to a human trafficker because they wont charge you. His behavior on the sidelines during games is just a peak at what your kid gets ALL season long. Even the adult assistant coaches who coach with him can only take so much and eventually get away from him. If you want your kid to hate lacrosse by high school, let them play for a team MM coaches. Don't fall for the sales, "Im the greatest", "this is the best program" B.S. That guy is EVERYTHING wrong with youth club lacrosse! He is a win at all cost coach. If he has to destroy your kid because he perceives that it will make him look like a good coach, your kid will be his "trash"!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to MarkMillon for calling a kid on his team "trash" after the game today.

I'm SHOCKED. Shocked, I tell you.

I guess MM is adding to his quotes for players..... Break His arms , Give it to the 9th grader, etc... and now....Trash !

Well that is much better than calling a 7th grader who was coming back from a broken leg a F#$%N P@#$Y in front of his teammates simply because he was running midfield with a slight gimp the first week he was released to play. Good coaches single out players and always blame the losses, or even substandard wins on a player right? It could not possibly be because of Millon's coaching? After all, he is the "GOAT". Calling a kid trash is actually real progress for Millon. That guy is THE worst youth coach without question. He acts like he loves your kid and family and then he just mentally destroys them behind the scenes. Watching ignorant lacrosse parents fall for it is absolutely mind boggling. You are better off handing your kid over to a human trafficker because they wont charge you. His behavior on the sidelines during games is just a peak at what your kid gets ALL season long. Even the adult assistant coaches who coach with him can only take so much and eventually get away from him. If you want your kid to hate lacrosse by high school, let them play for a team MM coaches. Don't fall for the sales, "Im the greatest", "this is the best program" B.S. That guy is EVERYTHING wrong with youth club lacrosse! He is a win at all cost coach. If he has to destroy your kid because he perceives that it will make him look like a good coach, your kid will be his "trash"!

Win at all cost coach? 2023 has now not won a game in 2 full season +1 game. There is a good chance they will complete season 3 without a win. The team had a chance to move down a level where they could compete although not a given they would win the next level down they would at least win some games. It has to be difficult to endure that abuse and loose all the games at the same time. I think what keeps parents paying is the need to be in the elite division. I understand every d1 coach always asks every recruit if they played in the elite division in 8th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to MarkMillon for calling a kid on his team "trash" after the game today.

I'm SHOCKED. Shocked, I tell you.

I guess MM is adding to his quotes for players..... Break His arms , Give it to the 9th grader, etc... and now....Trash !

Well that is much better than calling a 7th grader who was coming back from a broken leg a F#$%N P@#$Y in front of his teammates simply because he was running midfield with a slight gimp the first week he was released to play. Good coaches single out players and always blame the losses, or even substandard wins on a player right? It could not possibly be because of Millon's coaching? After all, he is the "GOAT". Calling a kid trash is actually real progress for Millon. That guy is THE worst youth coach without question. He acts like he loves your kid and family and then he just mentally destroys them behind the scenes. Watching ignorant lacrosse parents fall for it is absolutely mind boggling. You are better off handing your kid over to a human trafficker because they wont charge you. His behavior on the sidelines during games is just a peak at what your kid gets ALL season long. Even the adult assistant coaches who coach with him can only take so much and eventually get away from him. If you want your kid to hate lacrosse by high school, let them play for a team MM coaches. Don't fall for the sales, "Im the greatest", "this is the best program" B.S. That guy is EVERYTHING wrong with youth club lacrosse! He is a win at all cost coach. If he has to destroy your kid because he perceives that it will make him look like a good coach, your kid will be his "trash"!

Win at all cost coach? 2023 has now not won a game in 2 full season +1 game. There is a good chance they will complete season 3 without a win. The team had a chance to move down a level where they could compete although not a given they would win the next level down they would at least win some games. It has to be difficult to endure that abuse and loose all the games at the same time. I think what keeps parents paying is the need to be in the elite division. I understand every d1 coach always asks every recruit if they played in the elite division in 8th grade.

I would think they do it to help them in the summer, why not play up if you have the opportunity. Maybe HOCO should have a process for moving the top team from AA up and the bottom team from elite down or something like that.

"I would think they do it to help them in the summer, why not play up if you have the opportunity. Maybe HOCO should have a process for moving the top team from AA up and the bottom team from elite down or something like that."

HOCO does have a process called a competition committee. The issue is that the members of the committee include the person involved here. The top clubs all play in each others events and look the other way at holdback issues support grade based play and will only allow each other's teams in the Elite group despite the talent. T91 had a strong 22 team and has a strong 24 team, therefore they will want to be in elite at 23 even if the play on the field does not warrant it, which it has not. Not being unfair here but the record speaks for itself. The only logical candidates to replace them would be teams like South River, VLC, or Cavalier who have been in the finals the last few years in the next level down. I am not sure if these teams would do better, worse, or the same. VLC is owned by Crabs so the powers that be on the committee will never let a club have two elite teams, South River is a local club and not represented in the club lacrosse mafia, and Cavalier is too Virginia'ish to make it. For the rest of the Elite clubs they are clearly better than these other clubs and deserve the spot. I think though it is not good for these kids on 91 to "play up" and get ready for the summer. Losing is tough and leads to more losing. They need to play at a competitive level that fits the talent as most teams do is almost all sports at all levels.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to MarkMillon for calling a kid on his team "trash" after the game today.

I'm SHOCKED. Shocked, I tell you.

I guess MM is adding to his quotes for players..... Break His arms , Give it to the 9th grader, etc... and now....Trash !

Well that is much better than calling a 7th grader who was coming back from a broken leg a F#$%N P@#$Y in front of his teammates simply because he was running midfield with a slight gimp the first week he was released to play. Good coaches single out players and always blame the losses, or even substandard wins on a player right? It could not possibly be because of Millon's coaching? After all, he is the "GOAT". Calling a kid trash is actually real progress for Millon. That guy is THE worst youth coach without question. He acts like he loves your kid and family and then he just mentally destroys them behind the scenes. Watching ignorant lacrosse parents fall for it is absolutely mind boggling. You are better off handing your kid over to a human trafficker because they wont charge you. His behavior on the sidelines during games is just a peak at what your kid gets ALL season long. Even the adult assistant coaches who coach with him can only take so much and eventually get away from him. If you want your kid to hate lacrosse by high school, let them play for a team MM coaches. Don't fall for the sales, "Im the greatest", "this is the best program" B.S. That guy is EVERYTHING wrong with youth club lacrosse! He is a win at all cost coach. If he has to destroy your kid because he perceives that it will make him look like a good coach, your kid will be his "trash"!

Win at all cost coach? 2023 has now not won a game in 2 full season +1 game. There is a good chance they will complete season 3 without a win. The team had a chance to move down a level where they could compete although not a given they would win the next level down they would at least win some games. It has to be difficult to endure that abuse and loose all the games at the same time. I think what keeps parents paying is the need to be in the elite division. I understand every d1 coach always asks every recruit if they played in the elite division in 8th grade.

That all may be true or not...But this years MM 2023 has best attack in HOCO elite division, bar none ! Deal with it !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to MarkMillon for calling a kid on his team "trash" after the game today.

I'm SHOCKED. Shocked, I tell you.

I guess MM is adding to his quotes for players..... Break His arms , Give it to the 9th grader, etc... and now....Trash !

Well that is much better than calling a 7th grader who was coming back from a broken leg a F#$%N P@#$Y in front of his teammates simply because he was running midfield with a slight gimp the first week he was released to play. Good coaches single out players and always blame the losses, or even substandard wins on a player right? It could not possibly be because of Millon's coaching? After all, he is the "GOAT". Calling a kid trash is actually real progress for Millon. That guy is THE worst youth coach without question. He acts like he loves your kid and family and then he just mentally destroys them behind the scenes. Watching ignorant lacrosse parents fall for it is absolutely mind boggling. You are better off handing your kid over to a human trafficker because they wont charge you. His behavior on the sidelines during games is just a peak at what your kid gets ALL season long. Even the adult assistant coaches who coach with him can only take so much and eventually get away from him. If you want your kid to hate lacrosse by high school, let them play for a team MM coaches. Don't fall for the sales, "Im the greatest", "this is the best program" B.S. That guy is EVERYTHING wrong with youth club lacrosse! He is a win at all cost coach. If he has to destroy your kid because he perceives that it will make him look like a good coach, your kid will be his "trash"!

Win at all cost coach? 2023 has now not won a game in 2 full season +1 game. There is a good chance they will complete season 3 without a win. The team had a chance to move down a level where they could compete although not a given they would win the next level down they would at least win some games. It has to be difficult to endure that abuse and loose all the games at the same time. I think what keeps parents paying is the need to be in the elite division. I understand every d1 coach always asks every recruit if they played in the elite division in 8th grade.

That all may be true or not...But this years MM 2023 has best attack in HOCO elite division, bar none ! Deal with it !

Are these Texas kids or something because they weren't at the game last weekend?

That all may be true or not...But this years MM 2023 has best attack in HOCO elite division, bar none ! Deal with it !

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Are these Texas kids or something because they weren't at the game last weekend?[/quote]

Shutdown by a weak FCA defense

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to MarkMillon for calling a kid on his team "trash" after the game today.

I'm SHOCKED. Shocked, I tell you.

I guess MM is adding to his quotes for players..... Break His arms , Give it to the 9th grader, etc... and now....Trash !

Well that is much better than calling a 7th grader who was coming back from a broken leg a F#$%N P@#$Y in front of his teammates simply because he was running midfield with a slight gimp the first week he was released to play. Good coaches single out players and always blame the losses, or even substandard wins on a player right? It could not possibly be because of Millon's coaching? After all, he is the "GOAT". Calling a kid trash is actually real progress for Millon. That guy is THE worst youth coach without question. He acts like he loves your kid and family and then he just mentally destroys them behind the scenes. Watching ignorant lacrosse parents fall for it is absolutely mind boggling. You are better off handing your kid over to a human trafficker because they wont charge you. His behavior on the sidelines during games is just a peak at what your kid gets ALL season long. Even the adult assistant coaches who coach with him can only take so much and eventually get away from him. If you want your kid to hate lacrosse by high school, let them play for a team MM coaches. Don't fall for the sales, "Im the greatest", "this is the best program" B.S. That guy is EVERYTHING wrong with youth club lacrosse! He is a win at all cost coach. If he has to destroy your kid because he perceives that it will make him look like a good coach, your kid will be his "trash"!

Win at all cost coach? 2023 has now not won a game in 2 full season +1 game. There is a good chance they will complete season 3 without a win. The team had a chance to move down a level where they could compete although not a given they would win the next level down they would at least win some games. It has to be difficult to endure that abuse and loose all the games at the same time. I think what keeps parents paying is the need to be in the elite division. I understand every d1 coach always asks every recruit if they played in the elite division in 8th grade.

That all may be true or not...But this years MM 2023 has best attack in HOCO elite division, bar none ! Deal with it !

I guess if you raise your attackman as a 2022 until 8th grade, then drop them to 2023 it improves your attack slightly. In this case, it probably just improved several 2023 goalies save percentages just by standing still!

That all may be true or not...But this years MM 2023 has best attack in HOCO elite division, bar none ! Deal with it !

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I guess if you raise your attackman as a 2022 until 8th grade, then drop them to 2023 it improves your attack slightly. In this case, it probably just improved several 2023 goalies save percentages just by standing still! [/quote]

by all accounts terrific kid. jump on millon all u want as a for profit club operator. but adults shouldn't be discussing kids in a negative way

I guess you haven’t seen the Hawks attack yet??

Last one out of Team 91 2023 please shut the lights off

MM posts stuff on his twiiter site about other kids hits. Posted one about a 10 year old a few years ago. It goes both ways.

When you profit from operating a club, camps, clinics saying your products and service will take players to the next level but hold your kid back in 8th grade that should be highlighted to expose the hypocrisy. And this forum should allow it. The parents and kids holding back know exactly what they are doing.

There's obviously a reverse millon poser here and people are calling for it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When you profit from operating a club, camps, clinics saying your products and service will take players to the next level but hold your kid back in 8th grade that should be highlighted to expose the hypocrisy. And this forum should allow it. The parents and kids holding back know exactly what they are doing.

I honestly don't have a dog in this fight, but who cares if a kid is held back at this level? As long as they are age eligble by High School standards what does it matter? Who defines what "next level" really means. Hold your kid back if you don't like it, if you have the means.

People seem to be down on 91 and maybe with a some justification. Truth is that there are really only 3 Elite teams in HOCO that have a chance to win. FCA is the best of the rest. 91 could possibly have a good day v. NL or DCE time will tell.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess you haven’t seen the Hawks attack yet??

Man they looked good. A couple of those kids seem unstoppable - especially coming around from X.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When you profit from operating a club, camps, clinics saying your products and service will take players to the next level but hold your kid back in 8th grade that should be highlighted to expose the hypocrisy. And this forum should allow it. The parents and kids holding back know exactly what they are doing.

I honestly don't have a dog in this fight, but who cares if a kid is held back at this level? As long as they are age eligble by High School standards what does it matter? Who defines what "next level" really means. Hold your kid back if you don't like it, if you have the means.

Because it is wrong at the YOUTH sports level. No one cares what you do for your child and his development, What you do doesnt give you some select privilege to play against younger children in YOUTH sports.

If you want all these holdbacks to play..fine, then put age back a year and let anyone that wants to play at that grade play! including anyone that wants to play down,,,,not just the holdbacks..Real Simple Solution......But that wouldnt give little select Johnny the advantage he gets now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When you profit from operating a club, camps, clinics saying your products and service will take players to the next level but hold your kid back in 8th grade that should be highlighted to expose the hypocrisy. And this forum should allow it. The parents and kids holding back know exactly what they are doing.

I honestly don't have a dog in this fight, but who cares if a kid is held back at this level? As long as they are age eligble by High School standards what does it matter? Who defines what "next level" really means. Hold your kid back if you don't like it, if you have the means.

Because it is wrong at the YOUTH sports level. No one cares what you do for your child and his development, What you do doesnt give you some select privilege to play against younger children in YOUTH sports.

If you want all these holdbacks to play..fine, then put age back a year and let anyone that wants to play at that grade play! including anyone that wants to play down,,,,not just the holdbacks..Real Simple Solution......But that wouldnt give little select Johnny the advantage he gets now.

I am not the person who posted either comment but I think you are missing the point here. No need to beat the deadhorse of holdbacks that is on any board on any website. What is unique here is that the player's parent in this case is the one who advertises a level of coaching and development that is designed to get a player to the next level. If the system and program is so successful why would that parent need to holdback his own kid? Is he not developed enough to earn success in HS and College without playing down a year? The rules allow it but there is a cost involved.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When you profit from operating a club, camps, clinics saying your products and service will take players to the next level but hold your kid back in 8th grade that should be highlighted to expose the hypocrisy. And this forum should allow it. The parents and kids holding back know exactly what they are doing.

I honestly don't have a dog in this fight, but who cares if a kid is held back at this level? As long as they are age eligble by High School standards what does it matter? Who defines what "next level" really means. Hold your kid back if you don't like it, if you have the means.

Because it is wrong at the YOUTH sports level. No one cares what you do for your child and his development, What you do doesnt give you some select privilege to play against younger children in YOUTH sports.

If you want all these holdbacks to play..fine, then put age back a year and let anyone that wants to play at that grade play! including anyone that wants to play down,,,,not just the holdbacks..Real Simple Solution......But that wouldnt give little select Johnny the advantage he gets now.

I am not the person who posted either comment but I think you are missing the point here. No need to beat the deadhorse of holdbacks that is on any board on any website. What is unique here is that the player's parent in this case is the one who advertises a level of coaching and development that is designed to get a player to the next level. If the system and program is so successful why would that parent need to holdback his own kid? Is he not developed enough to earn success in HS and College without playing down a year? The rules allow it but there is a cost involved.

You would think that his kid had the benefit of all that super special coaching and development since birth. I guess dad decided it wasn't enough. We all know that the development mantra at 91 is a sham. Look at the 2022 varsity announcements on Instagram. Most of the kids aren't from Maryland. They don't develop players, they collect talent and it is subsidized by the kids at the end of the bench being called names when they don't perform at an elite level. MM was a great player who capitalized on his playing resume, but don't confuse that with being a great coach or a good human being. He's neither of those.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When you profit from operating a club, camps, clinics saying your products and service will take players to the next level but hold your kid back in 8th grade that should be highlighted to expose the hypocrisy. And this forum should allow it. The parents and kids holding back know exactly what they are doing.

I honestly don't have a dog in this fight, but who cares if a kid is held back at this level? As long as they are age eligble by High School standards what does it matter? Who defines what "next level" really means. Hold your kid back if you don't like it, if you have the means.

Because it is wrong at the YOUTH sports level. No one cares what you do for your child and his development, What you do doesnt give you some select privilege to play against younger children in YOUTH sports.

If you want all these holdbacks to play..fine, then put age back a year and let anyone that wants to play at that grade play! including anyone that wants to play down,,,,not just the holdbacks..Real Simple Solution......But that wouldnt give little select Johnny the advantage he gets now.

I am not the person who posted either comment but I think you are missing the point here. No need to beat the deadhorse of holdbacks that is on any board on any website. What is unique here is that the player's parent in this case is the one who advertises a level of coaching and development that is designed to get a player to the next level. If the system and program is so successful why would that parent need to holdback his own kid? Is he not developed enough to earn success in HS and College without playing down a year? The rules allow it but there is a cost involved.

MM is just joining the rest of many in Maryland and frankly many all over the country in holding their child back, or prefirst/reclass whatever you want to call. It has become an epidemic in youth lacrosse.

He sees what it does at 8th grade and below. It is clearly an advantage to be older than majority of players. If you have a decent to good player on age and hold him back in youth sports, you have a instant great player. It is one of issues that is wrong at youth sports, but he is just joining the Maryland Holdback machine.

Crabs attack is better!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When you profit from operating a club, camps, clinics saying your products and service will take players to the next level but hold your kid back in 8th grade that should be highlighted to expose the hypocrisy. And this forum should allow it. The parents and kids holding back know exactly what they are doing.

I honestly don't have a dog in this fight, but who cares if a kid is held back at this level? As long as they are age eligble by High School standards what does it matter? Who defines what "next level" really means. Hold your kid back if you don't like it, if you have the means.

Because it is wrong at the YOUTH sports level. No one cares what you do for your child and his development, What you do doesnt give you some select privilege to play against younger children in YOUTH sports.

If you want all these holdbacks to play..fine, then put age back a year and let anyone that wants to play at that grade play! including anyone that wants to play down,,,,not just the holdbacks..Real Simple Solution......But that wouldnt give little select Johnny the advantage he gets now.

I am not the person who posted either comment but I think you are missing the point here. No need to beat the deadhorse of holdbacks that is on any board on any website. What is unique here is that the player's parent in this case is the one who advertises a level of coaching and development that is designed to get a player to the next level. If the system and program is so successful why would that parent need to holdback his own kid? Is he not developed enough to earn success in HS and College without playing down a year? The rules allow it but there is a cost involved.

MM is just joining the rest of many in Maryland and frankly many all over the country in holding their child back, or prefirst/reclass whatever you want to call. It has become an epidemic in youth lacrosse.

He sees what it does at 8th grade and below. It is clearly an advantage to be older than majority of players. If you have a decent to good player on age and hold him back in youth sports, you have a instant great player. It is one of issues that is wrong at youth sports, but he is just joining the Maryland Holdback machine.

If this is done when the kid is slated to start 9th grade, what's the issue? Yes, the holdback at this point will be a great 8th grade player but there's no increased risk of harm to other on age 8th graders. If it ultimately helps a kid get into a private school they have set their sights on, and they are still age eligible their senior year, what is the issue? Don't give me the "it's unfair and I am missing point speech."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When you profit from operating a club, camps, clinics saying your products and service will take players to the next level but hold your kid back in 8th grade that should be highlighted to expose the hypocrisy. And this forum should allow it. The parents and kids holding back know exactly what they are doing.

I honestly don't have a dog in this fight, but who cares if a kid is held back at this level? As long as they are age eligble by High School standards what does it matter? Who defines what "next level" really means. Hold your kid back if you don't like it, if you have the means.

Because it is wrong at the YOUTH sports level. No one cares what you do for your child and his development, What you do doesnt give you some select privilege to play against younger children in YOUTH sports.

If you want all these holdbacks to play..fine, then put age back a year and let anyone that wants to play at that grade play! including anyone that wants to play down,,,,not just the holdbacks..Real Simple Solution......But that wouldnt give little select Johnny the advantage he gets now.

I am not the person who posted either comment but I think you are missing the point here. No need to beat the deadhorse of holdbacks that is on any board on any website. What is unique here is that the player's parent in this case is the one who advertises a level of coaching and development that is designed to get a player to the next level. If the system and program is so successful why would that parent need to holdback his own kid? Is he not developed enough to earn success in HS and College without playing down a year? The rules allow it but there is a cost involved.

MM is just joining the rest of many in Maryland and frankly many all over the country in holding their child back, or prefirst/reclass whatever you want to call. It has become an epidemic in youth lacrosse.

He sees what it does at 8th grade and below. It is clearly an advantage to be older than majority of players. If you have a decent to good player on age and hold him back in youth sports, you have a instant great player. It is one of issues that is wrong at youth sports, but he is just joining the Maryland Holdback machine.

If this is done when the kid is slated to start 9th grade, what's the issue? Yes, the holdback at this point will be a great 8th grade player but there's no increased risk of harm to other on age 8th graders. If it ultimately helps a kid get into a private school they have set their sights on, and they are still age eligible their senior year, what is the issue? Don't give me the "it's unfair and I am missing point speech."

You are a meathead ignorantly invoking childish whataboutism. Go find a youth tourney and red solo cup. Sorry LaxPower shutdown.

It's unfair and you are missing the point. Really it is a free country do what you want. To each his own. Just like each can post an opinion on a random youth lacrosse site. The point is that to take a good player and have them play down is NOT making the player better. It is only making the team better. This is done to win a meaningless club lacrosse game or two or a HS game and I think it is a parental decision over the kids decision. Also, why does one kids get to take an advantage over the other players? If all players played down then kids would stop playing down as the advantage would go away. However, it the leagues went to age based, it would not be an option. Safety is not the issue. The old system of U13 and U15 still has two year age gaps. The issue is that some players are taking and advantage that others are not able to. At least with U15 it is the same system for all. Asking a parent to support a child for an extra year and asking a child to spend another year in school seems like a lot to do for a sport that will not provide millions of dollars and at best a partial scholarship. Is it allowed?-Yes, Is it a first world problem?-Yes, Does it ruin the sport?-no. I think it is a weak move and a bit over the top to repeat a grade for lacrosse but to each his own. The private school will be happy to take an extra year of your tuition. But, do you really think the player in question here NEEDS to do this to get into a MIAA school??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When you profit from operating a club, camps, clinics saying your products and service will take players to the next level but hold your kid back in 8th grade that should be highlighted to expose the hypocrisy. And this forum should allow it. The parents and kids holding back know exactly what they are doing.

I honestly don't have a dog in this fight, but who cares if a kid is held back at this level? As long as they are age eligble by High School standards what does it matter? Who defines what "next level" really means. Hold your kid back if you don't like it, if you have the means.

Because it is wrong at the YOUTH sports level. No one cares what you do for your child and his development, What you do doesnt give you some select privilege to play against younger children in YOUTH sports.

If you want all these holdbacks to play..fine, then put age back a year and let anyone that wants to play at that grade play! including anyone that wants to play down,,,,not just the holdbacks..Real Simple Solution......But that wouldnt give little select Johnny the advantage he gets now.

I am not the person who posted either comment but I think you are missing the point here. No need to beat the deadhorse of holdbacks that is on any board on any website. What is unique here is that the player's parent in this case is the one who advertises a level of coaching and development that is designed to get a player to the next level. If the system and program is so successful why would that parent need to holdback his own kid? Is he not developed enough to earn success in HS and College without playing down a year? The rules allow it but there is a cost involved.

MM is just joining the rest of many in Maryland and frankly many all over the country in holding their child back, or prefirst/reclass whatever you want to call. It has become an epidemic in youth lacrosse.

He sees what it does at 8th grade and below. It is clearly an advantage to be older than majority of players. If you have a decent to good player on age and hold him back in youth sports, you have a instant great player. It is one of issues that is wrong at youth sports, but he is just joining the Maryland Holdback machine.

If this is done when the kid is slated to start 9th grade, what's the issue? Yes, the holdback at this point will be a great 8th grade player but there's no increased risk of harm to other on age 8th graders. If it ultimately helps a kid get into a private school they have set their sights on, and they are still age eligible their senior year, what is the issue? Don't give me the "it's unfair and I am missing point speech."

Spoken like a father of a child that couldnt compete on his own against other on age kids at the youth level. Or is that unfair to say, or am I missing the point of your speech ?

Hold your kid back to help him get into a private school , good for you.. tutor might even be better... That still shouldn't give you some special right to compete against younger players at the youth level. I see you are one of those guys that goes by " the end justifies the means " not the actual actions

When a league run by a County parks and rec allows this I think it fair to call it out. A county is a public entity. Playing for a club is a choice, but a County run league is community property. If a parent decides to hold a kid back because they think it is the best path to a private school that is one thing. However, it does not give the player the RIGHT to play younger kids based on this advantage. It is within the rules argument is silly. The majority of the US can understand what 8th grade age is and what it is not. Taken to the logical conclusion, why not have 17-18 year old players play? It is a shame because many of these 2022 age players playing 2023 are outstanding players and could play either age. I think being the older kids that other parents snicker or comment about behind their back is not worth the 15% discount to play at Tufts.

Public schools won’t ler you a hid a kid back simply for sports. There exists some integrity. Private schools at least in Baltimore and specifically the one implicated in prior posts will let you hold back for sports even if doing well academically. No integrity. Want does it say to the on age kid at the school who position will be taken be a player transferring from a rival private school, holding back, and taking the position.

hawks plays 91 this weekend. Hawks beat looneys 17-5 last week. 91 has no business in elite. But sucker parents pay Mm $2000 so they can say junior plays elite. Hawks will win by 20 this weekend unless show mercy. Will be up double digits by half. Hawks that good and 91 belongs in AA at best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When a league run by a County parks and rec allows this I think it fair to call it out. A county is a public entity. Playing for a club is a choice, but a County run league is community property. If a parent decides to hold a kid back because they think it is the best path to a private school that is one thing. However, it does not give the player the RIGHT to play younger kids based on this advantage. It is within the rules argument is silly. The majority of the US can understand what 8th grade age is and what it is not. Taken to the logical conclusion, why not have 17-18 year old players play? It is a shame because many of these 2022 age players playing 2023 are outstanding players and could play either age. I think being the older kids that other parents snicker or comment about behind their back is not worth the 15% discount to play at Tufts.

The real shame and embarrassment are the holdbacks playing at the AAA, AA, A and even B levels.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When you profit from operating a club, camps, clinics saying your products and service will take players to the next level but hold your kid back in 8th grade that should be highlighted to expose the hypocrisy. And this forum should allow it. The parents and kids holding back know exactly what they are doing.

I honestly don't have a dog in this fight, but who cares if a kid is held back at this level? As long as they are age eligble by High School standards what does it matter? Who defines what "next level" really means. Hold your kid back if you don't like it, if you have the means.

Because it is wrong at the YOUTH sports level. No one cares what you do for your child and his development, What you do doesnt give you some select privilege to play against younger children in YOUTH sports.

If you want all these holdbacks to play..fine, then put age back a year and let anyone that wants to play at that grade play! including anyone that wants to play down,,,,not just the holdbacks..Real Simple Solution......But that wouldnt give little select Johnny the advantage he gets now.

I am not the person who posted either comment but I think you are missing the point here. No need to beat the deadhorse of holdbacks that is on any board on any website. What is unique here is that the player's parent in this case is the one who advertises a level of coaching and development that is designed to get a player to the next level. If the system and program is so successful why would that parent need to holdback his own kid? Is he not developed enough to earn success in HS and College without playing down a year? The rules allow it but there is a cost involved.

MM is just joining the rest of many in Maryland and frankly many all over the country in holding their child back, or prefirst/reclass whatever you want to call. It has become an epidemic in youth lacrosse.

He sees what it does at 8th grade and below. It is clearly an advantage to be older than majority of players. If you have a decent to good player on age and hold him back in youth sports, you have a instant great player. It is one of issues that is wrong at youth sports, but he is just joining the Maryland Holdback machine.

If this is done when the kid is slated to start 9th grade, what's the issue? Yes, the holdback at this point will be a great 8th grade player but there's no increased risk of harm to other on age 8th graders. If it ultimately helps a kid get into a private school they have set their sights on, and they are still age eligible their senior year, what is the issue? Don't give me the "it's unfair and I am missing point speech."

Spoken like a father of a child that couldnt compete on his own against other on age kids at the youth level. Or is that unfair to say, or am I missing the point of your speech ?

Hold your kid back to help him get into a private school , good for you.. tutor might even be better... That still shouldn't give you some special right to compete against younger players at the youth level. I see you are one of those guys that goes by " the end justifies the means " not the actual actions

You have the same right.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When a league run by a County parks and rec allows this I think it fair to call it out. A county is a public entity. Playing for a club is a choice, but a County run league is community property. If a parent decides to hold a kid back because they think it is the best path to a private school that is one thing. However, it does not give the player the RIGHT to play younger kids based on this advantage. It is within the rules argument is silly. The majority of the US can understand what 8th grade age is and what it is not. Taken to the logical conclusion, why not have 17-18 year old players play? It is a shame because many of these 2022 age players playing 2023 are outstanding players and could play either age. I think being the older kids that other parents snicker or comment about behind their back is not worth the 15% discount to play at Tufts.

The real shame and embarrassment are the holdbacks playing at the AAA, AA, A and even B levels.

Are you on this forum too? Gawd you are a sad little man and probably take the joy out of eating ice cream. Move on, you aren't winning and aren't going to.

Will Mm be on McD coaching staff next year?

Well the ON AGE Hawks #9 much much way way better than the holdback 91 #9. Not even close. He might want to drop down again to the 2024 team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well the ON AGE Hawks #9 much much way way better than the holdback 91 #9. Not even close. He might want to drop down again to the 2024 team

Score?

12-5 Hawks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well the ON AGE Hawks #9 much much way way better than the holdback 91 #9. Not even close. He might want to drop down again to the 2024 team

Score?

12-5 Hawks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will Mm be on McD coaching staff next year?

That would be interesting. Not sure him and current McD Coach are similar type of coaches, and I am sure McD Coach will not put up with the antics of MM as some have described here. But stranger things have happened !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well the ON AGE Hawks #9 much much way way better than the holdback 91 #9. Not even close. He might want to drop down again to the 2024 team

Take it easy. I was at the game and the holdback played well. Not saying much that he isnt on the same level as the Hawks attackman. Not many kids(ish) - if any - are. I bet the Hawks are a little nervous after that game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well the ON AGE Hawks #9 much much way way better than the holdback 91 #9. Not even close. He might want to drop down again to the 2024 team

Take it easy. I was at the game and the holdback played well. Not saying much that he isnt on the same level as the Hawks attackman. Not many kids(ish) - if any - are. I bet the Hawks are a little nervous after that game.

Nervous? Why is that? You play at this level for the competition, you don’t get better beating the breaks off every team every week

Elite is a 4 team division. The other teams are not elite and don’t belong. 91 never did, never one a game in division. Looneys was a pretender last year and has taken a step back this year. Don’t know what happened to NL or BLC - best players to DCD?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When you profit from operating a club, camps, clinics saying your products and service will take players to the next level but hold your kid back in 8th grade that should be highlighted to expose the hypocrisy. And this forum should allow it. The parents and kids holding back know exactly what they are doing.

I honestly don't have a dog in this fight, but who cares if a kid is held back at this level? As long as they are age eligble by High School standards what does it matter? Who defines what "next level" really means. Hold your kid back if you don't like it, if you have the means.

Because it is wrong at the YOUTH sports level. No one cares what you do for your child and his development, What you do doesnt give you some select privilege to play against younger children in YOUTH sports.

If you want all these holdbacks to play..fine, then put age back a year and let anyone that wants to play at that grade play! including anyone that wants to play down,,,,not just the holdbacks..Real Simple Solution......But that wouldnt give little select Johnny the advantage he gets now.

I am not the person who posted either comment but I think you are missing the point here. No need to beat the deadhorse of holdbacks that is on any board on any website. What is unique here is that the player's parent in this case is the one who advertises a level of coaching and development that is designed to get a player to the next level. If the system and program is so successful why would that parent need to holdback his own kid? Is he not developed enough to earn success in HS and College without playing down a year? The rules allow it but there is a cost involved.

You would think that his kid had the benefit of all that super special coaching and development since birth. I guess dad decided it wasn't enough. We all know that the development mantra at 91 is a sham. Look at the 2022 varsity announcements on Instagram. Most of the kids aren't from Maryland. They don't develop players, they collect talent and it is subsidized by the kids at the end of the bench being called names when they don't perform at an elite level. MM was a great player who capitalized on his playing resume, but don't confuse that with being a great coach or a good human being. He's neither of those.

AMEN!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to MarkMillon for calling a kid on his team "trash" after the game today.

I'm SHOCKED. Shocked, I tell you.

I guess MM is adding to his quotes for players..... Break His arms , Give it to the 9th grader, etc... and now....Trash !

Well that is much better than calling a 7th grader who was coming back from a broken leg a F#$%N P@#$Y in front of his teammates simply because he was running midfield with a slight gimp the first week he was released to play. Good coaches single out players and always blame the losses, or even substandard wins on a player right? It could not possibly be because of Millon's coaching? After all, he is the "GOAT". Calling a kid trash is actually real progress for Millon. That guy is THE worst youth coach without question. He acts like he loves your kid and family and then he just mentally destroys them behind the scenes. Watching ignorant lacrosse parents fall for it is absolutely mind boggling. You are better off handing your kid over to a human trafficker because they wont charge you. His behavior on the sidelines during games is just a peak at what your kid gets ALL season long. Even the adult assistant coaches who coach with him can only take so much and eventually get away from him. If you want your kid to hate lacrosse by high school, let them play for a team MM coaches. Don't fall for the sales, "Im the greatest", "this is the best program" B.S. That guy is EVERYTHING wrong with youth club lacrosse! He is a win at all cost coach. If he has to destroy your kid because he perceives that it will make him look like a good coach, your kid will be his "trash"!

Win at all cost coach? 2023 has now not won a game in 2 full season +1 game. There is a good chance they will complete season 3 without a win. The team had a chance to move down a level where they could compete although not a given they would win the next level down they would at least win some games. It has to be difficult to endure that abuse and loose all the games at the same time. I think what keeps parents paying is the need to be in the elite division. I understand every d1 coach always asks every recruit if they played in the elite division in 8th grade.

That all may be true or not...But this years MM 2023 has best attack in HOCO elite division, bar none ! Deal with it !

This years MM 2023 has the best 9th grader on attack, who starts with the ball on every play and still only scores 3 goals a game going against defensive players a year younger. Maybe hold back again after this year to actually become an "Elite" attackman? Team is losing games. Wonder how many turn-overs that attack has created shooting directly into the goalie's stick. That used to kill their 2022 team in games against tough opponents. Wonder why the coach keeps putting it back into that players hands on every play? Other players who do that stuff get called "garbage"(and a lot worse) and sat on the bench.

Will 2023 Team 91 MD lose more games or players this spring?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will 2023 Team 91 MD lose more games or players this spring?

What is different about this year? They did not win a game the prior two years and only the kids who same limited playing time left. At least now they have a real coach and some higher level players.

And still loose every gme

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And still loose every gme

Kinda like you were loost in English class?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite is a 4 team division. The other teams are not elite and don’t belong. 91 never did, never one a game in division. Looneys was a pretender last year and has taken a step back this year. Don’t know what happened to NL or BLC - best players to DCD?

Looneys got beat around by Hawks in the first game. But they played even with FCA on Sunday...Looneys was up for good bits of the game and had a chance to tie it at the end, before a non-call on a clear push from behind got FCA the ball to run out the last minute+.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And still loose every gme

Kinda like you were loost in English class?

My bad they will Louooze every game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will 2023 Team 91 MD lose more games or players this spring?

What is different about this year? They did not win a game the prior two years and only the kids who same limited playing time left. At least now they have a real coach and some higher level players.

Who is "a real coach"? Don't say MM! All MM will do is ensure the players require psychotherapy by the time they get into High School.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite is a 4 team division. The other teams are not elite and don’t belong. 91 never did, never one a game in division. Looneys was a pretender last year and has taken a step back this year. Don’t know what happened to NL or BLC - best players to DCD?

Looneys got beat around by Hawks in the first game. But they played even with FCA on Sunday...Looneys was up for good bits of the game and had a chance to tie it at the end, before a non-call on a clear push from behind got FCA the ball to run out the last minute+.

Looney's parent making excuses........it was a sloppy game by both teams and both have a lot to work on if they plan to even compete with the 3 big dawgs in the elite division. FCA clearly had the better overall talent but poor execution. Looney's is in for a long season; they may not win more than 2 games this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite is a 4 team division. The other teams are not elite and don’t belong. 91 never did, never one a game in division. Looneys was a pretender last year and has taken a step back this year. Don’t know what happened to NL or BLC - best players to DCD?

Looneys got beat around by Hawks in the first game. But they played even with FCA on Sunday...Looneys was up for good bits of the game and had a chance to tie it at the end, before a non-call on a clear push from behind got FCA the ball to run out the last minute+.

Looney's parent making excuses........it was a sloppy game by both teams and both have a lot to work on if they plan to even compete with the 3 big dawgs in the elite division. FCA clearly had the better overall talent but poor execution. Looney's is in for a long season; they may not win more than 2 games this year.

Isn't this cute FCA v. Looney's to determine which of the two gets blown out in the first round of the playoffs. Elite is a three team race.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite is a 4 team division. The other teams are not elite and don’t belong. 91 never did, never one a game in division. Looneys was a pretender last year and has taken a step back this year. Don’t know what happened to NL or BLC - best players to DCD?

Looneys got beat around by Hawks in the first game. But they played even with FCA on Sunday...Looneys was up for good bits of the game and had a chance to tie it at the end, before a non-call on a clear push from behind got FCA the ball to run out the last minute+.

Looney's parent making excuses........it was a sloppy game by both teams and both have a lot to work on if they plan to even compete with the 3 big dawgs in the elite division. FCA clearly had the better overall talent but poor execution. Looney's is in for a long season; they may not win more than 2 games this year.

Isn't this cute FCA v. Looney's to determine which of the two gets blown out in the first round of the playoffs. Elite is a three team race.

This is obviously someone who doesn't get it; his mentality is 8th grade WINS are more important than developing your kid to be better each year. I think everyone realizes its a 3 team race; that doesn't mean these kids won't compete and give 100% when they meet these 3 talented teams.

This is obviously someone who doesn't get it; his mentality is 8th grade WINS are more important than developing your kid to be better each year. I think everyone realizes its a 3 team race; that doesn't mean these kids won't compete and give 100% when they meet these 3 talented teams. [/quote]

So development comes from losing games rather than team practice? Then charge $500.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is obviously someone who doesn't get it; his mentality is 8th grade WINS are more important than developing your kid to be better each year. I think everyone realizes its a 3 team race; that doesn't mean these kids won't compete and give 100% when they meet these 3 talented teams.

So development comes from losing games rather than team practice? Then charge $500. [/quote]

Again you’re lost; developed comes from working hard and playing against elite competition and in some cases kids that are 1-2 years older.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is obviously someone who doesn't get it; his mentality is 8th grade WINS are more important than developing your kid to be better each year. I think everyone realizes its a 3 team race; that doesn't mean these kids won't compete and give 100% when they meet these 3 talented teams.

So development comes from losing games rather than team practice? Then charge $500.

Again you’re lost; developed comes from working hard and playing against elite competition and in some cases kids that are 1-2 years older. [/quote]

How does that work when the ball stays mainly on one end overwhelming the D as the A watches for most of the game? But at least you can say your kid plays in the 8th grade elite division of mostly 9 grade age players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is obviously someone who doesn't get it; his mentality is 8th grade WINS are more important than developing your kid to be better each year. I think everyone realizes its a 3 team race; that doesn't mean these kids won't compete and give 100% when they meet these 3 talented teams.

So development comes from losing games rather than team practice? Then charge $500.

Again you’re lost; developed comes from working hard and playing against elite competition and in some cases kids that are 1-2 years older.

How does that work when the ball stays mainly on one end overwhelming the D as the A watches for most of the game? But at least you can say your kid plays in the 8th grade elite division of mostly 9 grade age players.[/quote]

Great my kid plays defense.....get a clue!!

Game Predictions for Saturday -

DC Dogs (16) Team 91 (5)
FCA (10) Next Level (5)
Hawks (13) DC Express (3)
Crabs (18) Looney's (3)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Game Predictions for Saturday -

DC Dogs (16) Team 91 (5)
FCA (10) Next Level (5)
Hawks (13) DC Express (3)
Crabs (18) Looney's (3)

And a parent ejection

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Game Predictions for Saturday -

DC Dogs (16) Team 91 (5)
FCA (10) Next Level (5)
Hawks (13) DC Express (3)
Crabs (18) Looney's (3)

And a parent ejection

And a coach ejection but it will be one in the same

Don't Give A Rip about "elite cheating division" there are 800 other kids in Hoco. Good luck to all except for the hold back cheaters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't Give A Rip about "elite cheating division" there are 800 other kids in Hoco. Good luck to all except for the hold back cheaters.

Sorry; have your son work harder, maybe next year he will make it. Fingers crossed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't Give A Rip about "elite cheating division" there are 800 other kids in Hoco. Good luck to all except for the hold back cheaters.

Full disclosure - my kid is on age - often gets accused of being a hold back.
The word "cheater" would require the breaking of rules. HoCo does not have a rule in place and frankly, could care less about the hold backs. My kid is in the Hold Back division and I would estimate that less than 10% of the league is comprised of off-age kids.
Hold back babies - fine (although the real baby is you). Hold back stunads - fine. Hold back enablers - fine.
"Cheaters" doesn't apply. This league is about development exposure to talented teams - not winning - even though it feels good to win.
Have a great day. Good luck to ALL - even this excuse maker's team and family.

It is sad that while all of the the top teams in elite have holdback players, most of the top players are the correct age for their grade. Parents who have kids that are not on a top team and parents on top teams who did holdback their kids hate to admit this. I think the holdback kids give the good teams a bad image.

For the holdback son’s of the dads who played at a high level in D1 ...who cares ... because they at least have talent and a reasonable expectation of playing in college. For you prep school posers dads who did not compete at lacrosse or any other sport but hold your son back for an advantage in the country club white privileged sport of lacrosse ... different story ... yiu just want to check a box in the list of prep school, country club, wife boob job ... etc. It will flatten yiu when junior falls short even against the younger kids bc he is not an athlete despite the thousands of dollars you spent on club amd extra $25,000 yiu spent for another year of school. And worse for the kid is everyone laughs at him because of it.

You are clueless! Crabs and DC Dawgs are 50% holdbacks. that is a fact.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For the holdback son’s of the dads who played at a high level in D1 ...who cares ... because they at least have talent and a reasonable expectation of playing in college. For you prep school posers dads who did not compete at lacrosse or any other sport but hold your son back for an advantage in the country club white privileged sport of lacrosse ... different story ... yiu just want to check a box in the list of prep school, country club, wife boob job ... etc. It will flatten yiu when junior falls short even against the younger kids bc he is not an athlete despite the thousands of dollars you spent on club amd extra $25,000 yiu spent for another year of school. And worse for the kid is everyone laughs at him because of it.

Mr. commenter, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are clueless! Crabs and DC Dawgs are 50% holdbacks. that is a fact.

And everyone else is 99% on age. Facts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't Give A Rip about "elite cheating division" there are 800 other kids in Hoco. Good luck to all except for the hold back cheaters.

Full disclosure - my kid is on age - often gets accused of being a hold back.
The word "cheater" would require the breaking of rules. HoCo does not have a rule in place and frankly, could care less about the hold backs. My kid is in the Hold Back division and I would estimate that less than 10% of the league is comprised of off-age kids.
Hold back babies - fine (although the real baby is you). Hold back stunads - fine. Hold back enablers - fine.
"Cheaters" doesn't apply. This league is about development exposure to talented teams - not winning - even though it feels good to win.
Have a great day. Good luck to ALL - even this excuse maker's team and family.

10% ??? Hilarious..That would be two players on a 20 man roster.. LOL.. Not even close, ..They arent cheating in HOCO, but it goes against everything that YOUTH sports stands for.. Sad state when lacrosse is the one youth sports that allows this at elite level. Soccer, Baseball, Football, Basketball, Hockey all go by age at Youth level. BB tried some grade base but got out of hand, now it is very limited,, Go Lacrosse LOL

I doubt it changes in Maryland. Every lacrosse Coach has held his son back it seems in MD.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are clueless! Crabs and DC Dawgs are 50% holdbacks. that is a fact.

Still to Low !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't Give A Rip about "elite cheating division" there are 800 other kids in Hoco. Good luck to all except for the hold back cheaters.

Full disclosure - my kid is on age - often gets accused of being a hold back.
The word "cheater" would require the breaking of rules. HoCo does not have a rule in place and frankly, could care less about the hold backs. My kid is in the Hold Back division and I would estimate that less than 10% of the league is comprised of off-age kids.
Hold back babies - fine (although the real baby is you). Hold back stunads - fine. Hold back enablers - fine.
"Cheaters" doesn't apply. This league is about development exposure to talented teams - not winning - even though it feels good to win.
Have a great day. Good luck to ALL - even this excuse maker's team and family.

10% ??? Hilarious..That would be two players on a 20 man roster.. LOL.. Not even close, ..They arent cheating in HOCO, but it goes against everything that YOUTH sports stands for.. Sad state when lacrosse is the one youth sports that allows this at elite level. Soccer, Baseball, Football, Basketball, Hockey all go by age at Youth level. BB tried some grade base but got out of hand, now it is very limited,, Go Lacrosse LOL

I doubt it changes in Maryland. Every lacrosse Coach has held his son back it seems in MD.

10% is too low for the elite division any maybe 10% is right for the lower divisions. But are you the same guy spewing about ages for these different sports even though you've been proven wrong time and again. Soccer now goes by league end date minus birth year so a lot of prior to 9/1 kids are eligible. AAU basketball and just about every other league now allows for class based leagues and tournaments. Hockey allows for 4 roster exceptions plus the goalie to their rosters. Stop getting yourself in a lather over this and try to focus.

The issue is when the entire roster or a huge percentage exceeds 9/1. Or worse, when the holdback goes to even the prior year meaning you can have have kids born from September through March and these kids can be up to a year and a half older than others within the division. The most egregious is when you take the September through March born before 9/1 and then those kids are repeated.

This is how you get to 16 year olds competing in 8th grade divisions. There are 3 on 1 roster and HoCo told me at least 6 will be competing this year.

I call BS on 16 year old 8th graders. They would not be eligible to play HS.

Not a hold back fan but this is getting silly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I call BS on 16 year old 8th graders. They would not be eligible to play HS.

Not a hold back fan but this is getting silly.

I wish it were silly but it is true. Call HoCo and they will confirm.
Lacrosse: Derek Ludlow 410-313-4706 dludlow@howardcountymd.gov

The parents don't care about high school senior year lacrosse and the schools don't report on each other so, most likely, the young men will play anyway.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I call BS on 16 year old 8th graders. They would not be eligible to play HS.

Not a hold back fan but this is getting silly.

Mater Dei has had several over the years. It's sad but true and they make no apologies and actually seem quite smug about it. On one of their younger teams they have at least 5 players born prior to 3/1. You don't think it's possible one of these kids will repeat prior to entering high school?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't Give A Rip about "elite cheating division" there are 800 other kids in Hoco. Good luck to all except for the hold back cheaters.

Full disclosure - my kid is on age - often gets accused of being a hold back.
The word "cheater" would require the breaking of rules. HoCo does not have a rule in place and frankly, could care less about the hold backs. My kid is in the Hold Back division and I would estimate that less than 10% of the league is comprised of off-age kids.
Hold back babies - fine (although the real baby is you). Hold back stunads - fine. Hold back enablers - fine.
"Cheaters" doesn't apply. This league is about development exposure to talented teams - not winning - even though it feels good to win.
Have a great day. Good luck to ALL - even this excuse maker's team and family.

10% ??? Hilarious..That would be two players on a 20 man roster.. LOL.. Not even close, ..They arent cheating in HOCO, but it goes against everything that YOUTH sports stands for.. Sad state when lacrosse is the one youth sports that allows this at elite level. Soccer, Baseball, Football, Basketball, Hockey all go by age at Youth level. BB tried some grade base but got out of hand, now it is very limited,, Go Lacrosse LOL

I doubt it changes in Maryland. Every lacrosse Coach has held his son back it seems in MD.

10% is too low for the elite division any maybe 10% is right for the lower divisions. But are you the same guy spewing about ages for these different sports even though you've been proven wrong time and again. Soccer now goes by league end date minus birth year so a lot of prior to 9/1 kids are eligible. AAU basketball and just about every other league now allows for class based leagues and tournaments. Hockey allows for 4 roster exceptions plus the goalie to their rosters. Stop getting yourself in a lather over this and try to focus.

The issue is when the entire roster or a huge percentage exceeds 9/1. Or worse, when the holdback goes to even the prior year meaning you can have have kids born from September through March and these kids can be up to a year and a half older than others within the division. The most egregious is when you take the September through March born before 9/1 and then those kids are repeated.

This is how you get to 16 year olds competing in 8th grade divisions. There are 3 on 1 roster and HoCo told me at least 6 will be competing this year.

You are FULL of it.. I guess if you sprew enough garbage you think it will be real.

Soccer the largest sport in world goes by a STRICT age based league. All Youth is Jan 1 to Dec 31. NO Tolerance for moaners like you who want to playdown. No elite level goes by grade NONE ! You must have a card provided by manager to even play in most TOP elite leagues and tournaments up to U19. Have one child just went thru this and is in college now. Spare me any " I know "

Once again , Hockey is a strict age based at YOUTH . Where you get your facts is beyond me. Look up any elite Hockey up North. North is where most hockey players come from if you didnt know it..ALL GO BY AGE except a few outliers which are NOT allowed to play with age based. Very familiar with Northern Hockey thru close relatives, They think it is a joke about grade.

AAU was a mess with grade base for a few years ?? Wonder why?? Now most AAU at elite level is by AGE. There are some that go by grade, but AAU is getting out of the grade based tournaments and leagues.. Sorry once again your facts are WRONG. I had long discussion with our High School AAU also coach. AGE BASE..

Lacrosse is hilarious with people like you defending select players playing down at youth level. Youth sports was not meant for kids to play down except for the truly challenged.. NEVER WAS.

Keep spouting off about how it is ok, due to Soccer ( Wrong) BB ( Wrong) Hockey ( Wrong) Baseball ( i guess you didnt mention that?? LOL ) ...Thats a good reason...They do it in some limited way...so it is ok if we do it. Hilarious.

Your facts must come from some local hockey or soccer rec league that gives everyone a trophy?? They sure arent from any real elite youth sports..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Game Predictions for Saturday -

DC Dogs (16) Team 91 (5)
FCA (10) Next Level (5)
Hawks (13) DC Express (3)
Crabs (18) Looney's (3)

And a parent ejection

And a coach ejection but it will be one in the same

The guy who predicted the scores is clairvoyant... how about the ejections?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Questions for this season with tryouts:

1. How many 2022's move down to play at 2023? Do they displace many to a new team?
2. How many teams play elite?
3. Which teams will be most/least improved?
4. Seems like many clubs are consolidating or changing uniforms (DCD) is this a limited supply demand issue?
5. Do any clubs have a second team (b) that is worth anything?

This is an important year to get to the right team before HS where tryouts do not change as much.

Looneys will be most improved. Crabs can only go up after this past year.. FCA will hold since it guarantees each returning player a spot. 91 Md should drop to AA or A but I guess there is a market for people to play on a team that calls itself elite even though it lost every game in that division.

Doesn't look like Looney's "Daddy Ball" is improved at all. Same kids playing tougher competition. Getting smoked with a tough start to the season. Dissapointed in the game they brought this week. I'm sure the coach's kids are having fun though.

[/quote]

You are FULL of it.. I guess if you sprew enough garbage you think it will be real.

Soccer the largest sport in world goes by a STRICT age based league. All Youth is Jan 1 to Dec 31. NO Tolerance for moaners like you who want to playdown. No elite level goes by grade NONE ! You must have a card provided by manager to even play in most TOP elite leagues and tournaments up to U19. Have one child just went thru this and is in college now. Spare me any " I know "

Once again , Hockey is a strict age based at YOUTH . Where you get your facts is beyond me. Look up any elite Hockey up North. North is where most hockey players come from if you didnt know it..ALL GO BY AGE except a few outliers which are NOT allowed to play with age based. Very familiar with Northern Hockey thru close relatives, They think it is a joke about grade.

AAU was a mess with grade base for a few years ?? Wonder why?? Now most AAU at elite level is by AGE. There are some that go by grade, but AAU is getting out of the grade based tournaments and leagues.. Sorry once again your facts are WRONG. I had long discussion with our High School AAU also coach. AGE BASE..

Lacrosse is hilarious with people like you defending select players playing down at youth level. Youth sports was not meant for kids to play down except for the truly challenged.. NEVER WAS.

Keep spouting off about how it is ok, due to Soccer ( Wrong) BB ( Wrong) Hockey ( Wrong) Baseball ( i guess you didnt mention that?? LOL ) ...Thats a good reason...They do it in some limited way...so it is ok if we do it. Hilarious.

Your facts must come from some local hockey or soccer rec league that gives everyone a trophy?? They sure arent from any real elite youth sports..

[/quote]

You are such a clown. Who cares about soccer. It's a terrible sport in the U.S. and our talent gets worse as they get older and that goes for men and women too in the last 8 years.
Hockey is a joke too. I guess you're going to throw out all the age related biases when it comes to youth sports. We could care less about your close friends opinions of sport the U.S. dominates at all age levels.

Oooh, I had a long discussion with a coach. I bet he couldn't wait to get out of that one as the spittle came off your chin. And I'm sure he ran right out to USL and let them know how you feel.

So sorry your kid has a February birthday and he's too small to compete. You should concentrate on sports like golf or bowling where it's not a team atmosphere. Let us know when you start the change.org petition lost.

Serious question, if it bothers you so much, why rant on an anonymous forum and insult those who agree with you somewhat like the pp you slammed? Put your name to it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Questions for this season with tryouts:

1. How many 2022's move down to play at 2023? Do they displace many to a new team?
2. How many teams play elite?
3. Which teams will be most/least improved?
4. Seems like many clubs are consolidating or changing uniforms (DCD) is this a limited supply demand issue?
5. Do any clubs have a second team (b) that is worth anything?

This is an important year to get to the right team before HS where tryouts do not change as much.

Looneys will be most improved. Crabs can only go up after this past year.. FCA will hold since it guarantees each returning player a spot. 91 Md should drop to AA or A but I guess there is a market for people to play on a team that calls itself elite even though it lost every game in that division.

Doesn't look like Looney's "Daddy Ball" is improved at all. Same kids playing tougher competition. Getting smoked with a tough start to the season. Dissapointed in the game they brought this week. I'm sure the coach's kids are having fun though.

Loomey’s actually added players to improve the team.

"Questions for this season with tryouts:

1. How many 2022's move down to play at 2023? Do they displace many to a new team?
2. How many teams play elite?
3. Which teams will be most/least improved?
4. Seems like many clubs are consolidating or changing uniforms (DCD) is this a limited supply demand issue?
5. Do any clubs have a second team (b) that is worth anything?"

These are interesting questions. I guess from an old post this past summer? A:
1. Crabs added this most and it shows.
2. 7 play Elite (maybe 6.5)
3. Most improved Crabs least Looney's
4. Not sure but NL seems to have lost the most
5. The records indicate not. Looney's and FCA B should not have played AAA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[/quote]

You are FULL of it.. I guess if you sprew enough garbage you think it will be real.

Soccer the largest sport in world goes by a STRICT age based league. All Youth is Jan 1 to Dec 31. NO Tolerance for moaners like you who want to playdown. No elite level goes by grade NONE ! You must have a card provided by manager to even play in most TOP elite leagues and tournaments up to U19. Have one child just went thru this and is in college now. Spare me any " I know "

Once again , Hockey is a strict age based at YOUTH . Where you get your facts is beyond me. Look up any elite Hockey up North. North is where most hockey players come from if you didnt know it..ALL GO BY AGE except a few outliers which are NOT allowed to play with age based. Very familiar with Northern Hockey thru close relatives, They think it is a joke about grade.

AAU was a mess with grade base for a few years ?? Wonder why?? Now most AAU at elite level is by AGE. There are some that go by grade, but AAU is getting out of the grade based tournaments and leagues.. Sorry once again your facts are WRONG. I had long discussion with our High School AAU also coach. AGE BASE..

Lacrosse is hilarious with people like you defending select players playing down at youth level. Youth sports was not meant for kids to play down except for the truly challenged.. NEVER WAS.

Keep spouting off about how it is ok, due to Soccer ( Wrong) BB ( Wrong) Hockey ( Wrong) Baseball ( i guess you didnt mention that?? LOL ) ...Thats a good reason...They do it in some limited way...so it is ok if we do it. Hilarious.

Your facts must come from some local hockey or soccer rec league that gives everyone a trophy?? They sure arent from any real elite youth sports..

You are such a clown. Who cares about soccer. It's a terrible sport in the U.S. and our talent gets worse as they get older and that goes for men and women too in the last 8 years.
Hockey is a joke too. I guess you're going to throw out all the age related biases when it comes to youth sports. We could care less about your close friends opinions of sport the U.S. dominates at all age levels.

Oooh, I had a long discussion with a coach. I bet he couldn't wait to get out of that one as the spittle came off your chin. And I'm sure he ran right out to USL and let them know how you feel.

So sorry your kid has a February birthday and he's too small to compete. You should concentrate on sports like golf or bowling where it's not a team atmosphere. Let us know when you start the change.org petition lost.

Serious question, if it bothers you so much, why rant on an anonymous forum and insult those who agree with you somewhat like the pp you slammed? Put your name to it.

Hilarious ! I am the clown.. I am the one with the on age kid competing against kids like yours who cant go at children their own age. LOL Most on age kids who play at high level would be monsters if they played down like yours. Of course if that happened , you and the rest of the select holdbacks would need to drop down another year, or layman's terms..become a double holdback.

And all your ranting says only one thing. You are a holdback apologist who knows that it is wrong at youth level. Cant come up with one clear reason to let select children play down in youth sports..not one ! LOL

I am sure the millions of soccer fans and players all over the world agree with you . Hilarious . As do all the Hockey fans and players. Maybe go tell a few American or Canadian Hockey players their sport is a joke ? LOL

I guess only you and the somewhat guy are allowed to insult ?? LOL

Sir, I am asking you kindly to please leave! You were doing so good with posts about actual lacrosse. If others could provide insight about games and teams that would be great.

Elite has good matchups this week at the top and lower end of the standings. Can 91 win? For the rest of the divisions it is interesting how the teams that moved up are really struggling and the teams that moved down dominating. I think 5 division may be too many but they did get some things right.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sir, I am asking you kindly to please leave! You were doing so good with posts about actual lacrosse. If others could provide insight about games and teams that would be great.

Elite has good matchups this week at the top and lower end of the standings. Can 91 win? For the rest of the divisions it is interesting how the teams that moved up are really struggling and the teams that moved down dominating. I think 5 division may be too many but they did get some things right.

What teams moved down?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Questions for this season with tryouts:

1. How many 2022's move down to play at 2023? Do they displace many to a new team?
2. How many teams play elite?
3. Which teams will be most/least improved?
4. Seems like many clubs are consolidating or changing uniforms (DCD) is this a limited supply demand issue?
5. Do any clubs have a second team (b) that is worth anything?

This is an important year to get to the right team before HS where tryouts do not change as much.

Looneys will be most improved. Crabs can only go up after this past year.. FCA will hold since it guarantees each returning player a spot. 91 Md should drop to AA or A but I guess there is a market for people to play on a team that calls itself elite even though it lost every game in that division.

Doesn't look like Looney's "Daddy Ball" is improved at all. Same kids playing tougher competition. Getting smoked with a tough start to the season. Dissapointed in the game they brought this week. I'm sure the coach's kids are having fun though.

Congratulations to your boys. My son really likes his coaches (and their sons). Ask around beyond your Crabs bubble. You'll find how well they are respected. Your coach seems nice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sir, I am asking you kindly to please leave! You were doing so good with posts about actual lacrosse. If others could provide insight about games and teams that would be great.

Elite has good matchups this week at the top and lower end of the standings. Can 91 win? For the rest of the divisions it is interesting how the teams that moved up are really struggling and the teams that moved down dominating. I think 5 division may be too many but they did get some things right.

What teams moved down?

API, USS and NLR (some of the PGLC kids)

DCD vs Hawks has to be the game of the week. Teams are evenly matched should be a good game.

Game Predictions Week 4

DC Express (12) Next Level (6) - too many missing pieces for NL this year; another loss
Looney's (10) Team 91 (8) - possible upset here and 91 gets there 1st win at the elite level?
DC Dogs (14) Hawks (11) - Dogs have the better athletes and can overwhelm the Hawks defense
Crabs (18) FCA (8) - Battle of the undefeated; FCA the pretender beating up on the bottom feeders while the Crabs are just to big (and old) for anyone to hang with them this year; the question is can FCA keep them under 20?

Evenly matched means holdbacks a plenty... Legitimate aged JV lacrosse players playing on an 8th grade team for both of these squads....Lets face the facts and do not deny it..... Don't pound your chests about how great you are when you are putting men against boys.... It always makes me laugh when people say that kid is starting as a freshman on varsity.... Well most talented 16yr olds do play varsity....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evenly matched means holdbacks a plenty... Legitimate aged JV lacrosse players playing on an 8th grade team for both of these squads....Lets face the facts and do not deny it..... Don't pound your chests about how great you are when you are putting men against boys.... It always makes me laugh when people say that kid is starting as a freshman on varsity.... Well most talented 16yr olds do play varsity....

Everyone knows that. It is the way things are done in Maryland Private school lacrosse. I also enjoy when Booker or Shriver announcing MIAA game talk about this Freshman or Sophomore knowing full well they should be up a grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evenly matched means holdbacks a plenty... Legitimate aged JV lacrosse players playing on an 8th grade team for both of these squads....Lets face the facts and do not deny it..... Don't pound your chests about how great you are when you are putting men against boys.... It always makes me laugh when people say that kid is starting as a freshman on varsity.... Well most talented 16yr olds do play varsity....

Everyone knows that. It is the way things are done in Maryland Private school lacrosse. I also enjoy when Booker or Shriver announcing MIAA game talk about this Freshman or Sophomore knowing full well they should be up a grade.

For every holdback starting on a varsity team as a freshman, there are 8-10 holdbacks on JV whose parents' plan didn't pan out like they thought. Those are the people to avoid on the sideline at all cost if you don't want to hear how the coaches don't know what they are doing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evenly matched means holdbacks a plenty... Legitimate aged JV lacrosse players playing on an 8th grade team for both of these squads....Lets face the facts and do not deny it..... Don't pound your chests about how great you are when you are putting men against boys.... It always makes me laugh when people say that kid is starting as a freshman on varsity.... Well most talented 16yr olds do play varsity....

Everyone knows that. It is the way things are done in Maryland Private school lacrosse. I also enjoy when Booker or Shriver announcing MIAA game talk about this Freshman or Sophomore knowing full well they should be up a grade.

For every holdback starting on a varsity team as a freshman, there are 8-10 holdbacks on JV whose parents' plan didn't pan out like they thought. Those are the people to avoid on the sideline at all cost if you don't want to hear how the coaches don't know what they are doing.

Oh wow.... Didn't think about that..... Yikes.... Awkward..... Thanks for the advice

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Game Predictions Week 4

DC Express (12) Next Level (6) - too many missing pieces for NL this year; another loss
Looney's (10) Team 91 (8) - possible upset here and 91 gets there 1st win at the elite level?
DC Dogs (14) Hawks (11) - Dogs have the better athletes and can overwhelm the Hawks defense
Crabs (18) FCA (8) - Battle of the undefeated; FCA the pretender beating up on the bottom feeders while the Crabs are just to big (and old) for anyone to hang with them this year; the question is can FCA keep them under 20?

Will there be many issues Spring Break with this weekend. In the past the weekend had produced some inconsistent scores with key players missing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Game Predictions Week 4

DC Express (12) Next Level (6) - too many missing pieces for NL this year; another loss
Looney's (10) Team 91 (8) - possible upset here and 91 gets there 1st win at the elite level?
DC Dogs (14) Hawks (11) - Dogs have the better athletes and can overwhelm the Hawks defense
Crabs (18) FCA (8) - Battle of the undefeated; FCA the pretender beating up on the bottom feeders while the Crabs are just to big (and old) for anyone to hang with them this year; the question is can FCA keep them under 20?

Will there be many issues Spring Break with this weekend. In the past the weekend had produced some inconsistent scores with key players missing.

Not in the Crabs/FCA game; you miss a game or practice with the crabs you're off the team! LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evenly matched means holdbacks a plenty... Legitimate aged JV lacrosse players playing on an 8th grade team for both of these squads....Lets face the facts and do not deny it..... Don't pound your chests about how great you are when you are putting men against boys.... It always makes me laugh when people say that kid is starting as a freshman on varsity.... Well most talented 16yr olds do play varsity....

Everyone knows that. It is the way things are done in Maryland Private school lacrosse. I also enjoy when Booker or Shriver announcing MIAA game talk about this Freshman or Sophomore knowing full well they should be up a grade.

For every holdback starting on a varsity team as a freshman, there are 8-10 holdbacks on JV whose parents' plan didn't pan out like they thought. Those are the people to avoid on the sideline at all cost if you don't want to hear how the coaches don't know what they are doing.

Already happening on the club B teams ....

Y’all are Bunch of old people arguing about youth lacrosse

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Y’all are Bunch of old people arguing about youth lacrosse

But you are here with us... so next time say "We"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Y’all are Bunch of old people arguing about youth lacrosse

Better than a bunch of young people arguing about old people playing lacrosse. We are tame compared to what they would say about us ! It would not be pretty !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evenly matched means holdbacks a plenty... Legitimate aged JV lacrosse players playing on an 8th grade team for both of these squads....Lets face the facts and do not deny it..... Don't pound your chests about how great you are when you are putting men against boys.... It always makes me laugh when people say that kid is starting as a freshman on varsity.... Well most talented 16yr olds do play varsity....

Everyone knows that. It is the way things are done in Maryland Private school lacrosse. I also enjoy when Booker or Shriver announcing MIAA game talk about this Freshman or Sophomore knowing full well they should be up a grade.

For every holdback starting on a varsity team as a freshman, there are 8-10 holdbacks on JV whose parents' plan didn't pan out like they thought. Those are the people to avoid on the sideline at all cost if you don't want to hear how the coaches don't know what they are doing.

And that is hitting the nail on the head. For everyone. When it comes to school and only 15 kids seeing field for any real minutes in good games, all the youth club BS drops away. You are left with only 1-3 underclassmen in the action as 25 kids become benchwarmers or ignored on JV. The parents worked the system for 15 years and now their kid is just another number.

yup...amen

Hawks 10. DC dogs 3

Kudos to MM, for calling a kid on Looneys. Sad because I was watching the game next to a 91 dad and he seemed normal and even he cringed when he said it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 10. DC dogs 3

Better athletes and overwhelming offense, huh?

I don't think either coach should be proud of the way they handled themselves. Screaming their heads off at 8th graders like the outcome really matters in a game that was never close. Disgusting displays which unfortunately are all too common in this division with both coaches and parents. I ould have thought that these two guys would have had enough games under their belts as players and coaches to know how to act.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evenly matched means holdbacks a plenty... Legitimate aged JV lacrosse players playing on an 8th grade team for both of these squads....Lets face the facts and do not deny it..... Don't pound your chests about how great you are when you are putting men against boys.... It always makes me laugh when people say that kid is starting as a freshman on varsity.... Well most talented 16yr olds do play varsity....

Everyone knows that. It is the way things are done in Maryland Private school lacrosse. I also enjoy when Booker or Shriver announcing MIAA game talk about this Freshman or Sophomore knowing full well they should be up a grade.

For every holdback starting on a varsity team as a freshman, there are 8-10 holdbacks on JV whose parents' plan didn't pan out like they thought. Those are the people to avoid on the sideline at all cost if you don't want to hear how the coaches don't know what they are doing.

And that is hitting the nail on the head. For everyone. When it comes to school and only 15 kids seeing field for any real minutes in good games, all the youth club BS drops away. You are left with only 1-3 underclassmen in the action as 25 kids become benchwarmers or ignored on JV. The parents worked the system for 15 years and now their kid is just another number.

Calvert Hall, Loyola, BL..... Career ending schools for a lot of really good lacrosse players that will never see the field.... At least you got to wear the swag for a few years

Are the Hawks good enough to beat the Crabs this year?? Made easy work out of DCD

I don't think either coach should be proud of the way they handled themselves. Screaming their heads off at 8th graders like the outcome really matters in a game that was never close. Disgusting displays which unfortunately are all too common in this division with both coaches and parents. I ould have thought that these two guys would have had enough games under their belts as players and coaches to know how to act. [/quote]

To be clear getting vocal at some points in the game with young player is not the problem. It’s expected and essential. If you can’t stomach that then get out of the game. For a grown adult to name call a young teenage is something that can not be tolerated. My son confirmed on the ride home that the fat comment did happen.... I did not hear it during the game but I spent most of that game talking with a lot of friends in the lax community.. The most shameful part of the entire situation is not one coach, ref, or parent did not step in to say that is wrong for a coach to name call and bully a child..... Shameful that parents sat on their hands and allowed a grown man to bully a kid in a public forum. If I would have heard it let it be known I would have marched over to that sideline and called him out for that BS. Dude better hope he has a good dentist if he pulls that garbage in front of me.... weak parents for allowing this man to do this....

Nice both-sidesing of the issue there, Pres.

One coach ridicules a player for his physical appearance and the other coach coaches his team loudly. What a garbage false-equivalency.

Originally Posted by ILovePigs

DCD vs Hawks has to be the game of the week. Teams are evenly matched should be a good game.

CRABS/FCA - game of they year so far at 2023. Could have gone either way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evenly matched means holdbacks a plenty... Legitimate aged JV lacrosse players playing on an 8th grade team for both of these squads....Lets face the facts and do not deny it..... Don't pound your chests about how great you are when you are putting men against boys.... It always makes me laugh when people say that kid is starting as a freshman on varsity.... Well most talented 16yr olds do play varsity....

Everyone knows that. It is the way things are done in Maryland Private school lacrosse. I also enjoy when Booker or Shriver announcing MIAA game talk about this Freshman or Sophomore knowing full well they should be up a grade.

For every holdback starting on a varsity team as a freshman, there are 8-10 holdbacks on JV whose parents' plan didn't pan out like they thought. Those are the people to avoid on the sideline at all cost if you don't want to hear how the coaches don't know what they are doing.

And that is hitting the nail on the head. For everyone. When it comes to school and only 15 kids seeing field for any real minutes in good games, all the youth club BS drops away. You are left with only 1-3 underclassmen in the action as 25 kids become benchwarmers or ignored on JV. The parents worked the system for 15 years and now their kid is just another number.

Calvert Hall, Loyola, BL..... Career ending schools for a lot of really good lacrosse players that will never see the field.... At least you got to wear the swag for a few years

But the best education around

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kudos to Mark Millen, for calling a kid on Looneys "FAT" loud enough so everyone completely across the field could hear it. Sad because I was watching the game next to a 91 dad and he seemed normal and even he cringed when he said it. Guy is a disgrace

I don't think either coach should be proud of the way they handled themselves. Screaming their heads off at 8th graders like the outcome really matters in a game that was never close. Disgusting displays which unfortunately are all too common in this division with both coaches and parents. I ould have thought that these two guys would have had enough games under their belts as players and coaches to know how to act.

To be clear getting vocal at some points in the game with young player is not the problem. It’s expected and essential. If you can’t stomach that then get out of the game. For a grown adult to name call a young teenage is something that can not be tolerated. My son confirmed on the ride home that the fat comment did happen.... I did not hear it during the game but I spent most of that game talking with a lot of friends in the lax community.. The most shameful part of the entire situation is not one coach, ref, or parent did not step in to say that is wrong for a coach to name call and bully a child..... Shameful that parents sat on their hands and allowed a grown man to bully a kid in a public forum. If I would have heard it let it be known I would have marched over to that sideline and called him out for that BS. Dude better hope he has a good dentist if he pulls that garbage in front of me.... weak parents for allowing this man to do this....

That’s every weekend with MM. why are you acting surprised? Talk to him next time you see him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kudos to Mark Millen, for calling a kid on Looneys "FAT" loud enough so everyone completely across the field could hear it. Sad because I was watching the game next to a 91 dad and he seemed normal and even he cringed when he said it. Guy is a disgrace

I don't think either coach should be proud of the way they handled themselves. Screaming their heads off at 8th graders like the outcome really matters in a game that was never close. Disgusting displays which unfortunately are all too common in this division with both coaches and parents. I ould have thought that these two guys would have had enough games under their belts as players and coaches to know how to act.

To be clear getting vocal at some points in the game with young player is not the problem. It’s expected and essential. If you can’t stomach that then get out of the game. For a grown adult to name call a young teenage is something that can not be tolerated. My son confirmed on the ride home that the fat comment did happen.... I did not hear it during the game but I spent most of that game talking with a lot of friends in the lax community.. The most shameful part of the entire situation is not one coach, ref, or parent did not step in to say that is wrong for a coach to name call and bully a child..... Shameful that parents sat on their hands and allowed a grown man to bully a kid in a public forum. If I would have heard it let it be known I would have marched over to that sideline and called him out for that BS. Dude better hope he has a good dentist if he pulls that garbage in front of me.... weak parents for allowing this man to do this....

That’s every weekend with MM. why are you acting surprised? Talk to him next time you see him.

Maybe someone did? My son on 91 said Millon is not coaching the 23 team anymore this season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kudos to Mark Millen, for calling a kid on Looneys "FAT" loud enough so everyone completely across the field could hear it. Sad because I was watching the game next to a 91 dad and he seemed normal and even he cringed when he said it. Guy is a disgrace

I don't think either coach should be proud of the way they handled themselves. Screaming their heads off at 8th graders like the outcome really matters in a game that was never close. Disgusting displays which unfortunately are all too common in this division with both coaches and parents. I ould have thought that these two guys would have had enough games under their belts as players and coaches to know how to act.

To be clear getting vocal at some points in the game with young player is not the problem. It’s expected and essential. If you can’t stomach that then get out of the game. For a grown adult to name call a young teenage is something that can not be tolerated. My son confirmed on the ride home that the fat comment did happen.... I did not hear it during the game but I spent most of that game talking with a lot of friends in the lax community.. The most shameful part of the entire situation is not one coach, ref, or parent did not step in to say that is wrong for a coach to name call and bully a child..... Shameful that parents sat on their hands and allowed a grown man to bully a kid in a public forum. If I would have heard it let it be known I would have marched over to that sideline and called him out for that BS. Dude better hope he has a good dentist if he pulls that garbage in front of me.... weak parents for allowing this man to do this....

That’s every weekend with MM. why are you acting surprised? Talk to him next time you see him.

Maybe someone did? My son on 91 said Millon is not coaching the 23 team anymore this season.

Probably because he quit on them for losing every game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe someone did? My son on 91 said Millon is not coaching the 23 team anymore this season.

I'll believe it if I see it. He originally told parents that he would not be coaching the 23's. He obviously has been so far.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kudos to Mark Millen, for calling a kid on Looneys "FAT" loud enough so everyone completely across the field could hear it. Sad because I was watching the game next to a 91 dad and he seemed normal and even he cringed when he said it. Guy is a disgrace

I don't think either coach should be proud of the way they handled themselves. Screaming their heads off at 8th graders like the outcome really matters in a game that was never close. Disgusting displays which unfortunately are all too common in this division with both coaches and parents. I ould have thought that these two guys would have had enough games under their belts as players and coaches to know how to act.

To be clear getting vocal at some points in the game with young player is not the problem. It’s expected and essential. If you can’t stomach that then get out of the game. For a grown adult to name call a young teenage is something that can not be tolerated. My son confirmed on the ride home that the fat comment did happen.... I did not hear it during the game but I spent most of that game talking with a lot of friends in the lax community.. The most shameful part of the entire situation is not one coach, ref, or parent did not step in to say that is wrong for a coach to name call and bully a child..... Shameful that parents sat on their hands and allowed a grown man to bully a kid in a public forum. If I would have heard it let it be known I would have marched over to that sideline and called him out for that BS. Dude better hope he has a good dentist if he pulls that garbage in front of me.... weak parents for allowing this man to do this....

Everyone who has been around Millon for a couple years knows he does it every single game in one way or another. Go sit behind their bench next week and wait for your opportunity. It WILL present itself. The most disgusting part about it is the parents that continue pay him every year to train their kids to accept that behavior! My family and 8 others left his 91MD 2022 team 2 years ago because of that behavior. It the families that keep sticking around for it once they witness the behavior who keep the problem alive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kudos to Mark Millen, for calling a kid on Looneys "FAT" loud enough so everyone completely across the field could hear it. Sad because I was watching the game next to a 91 dad and he seemed normal and even he cringed when he said it. Guy is a disgrace

I don't think either coach should be proud of the way they handled themselves. Screaming their heads off at 8th graders like the outcome really matters in a game that was never close. Disgusting displays which unfortunately are all too common in this division with both coaches and parents. I ould have thought that these two guys would have had enough games under their belts as players and coaches to know how to act.

To be clear getting vocal at some points in the game with young player is not the problem. It’s expected and essential. If you can’t stomach that then get out of the game. For a grown adult to name call a young teenage is something that can not be tolerated. My son confirmed on the ride home that the fat comment did happen.... I did not hear it during the game but I spent most of that game talking with a lot of friends in the lax community.. The most shameful part of the entire situation is not one coach, ref, or parent did not step in to say that is wrong for a coach to name call and bully a child..... Shameful that parents sat on their hands and allowed a grown man to bully a kid in a public forum. If I would have heard it let it be known I would have marched over to that sideline and called him out for that BS. Dude better hope he has a good dentist if he pulls that garbage in front of me.... weak parents for allowing this man to do this....

That’s every weekend with MM. why are you acting surprised? Talk to him next time you see him.

Maybe someone did? My son on 91 said Millon is not coaching the 23 team anymore this season.

He will be back! He cant live with the thought of somebody else coaching his son. He is just throwing his typical temper tantrum after a couple losses, thinking people will beg him to come back. Once he figures out nobody will, he will come back anyway. The team might win a few games without him, then he will come back and beat the kids into the ground some more.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kudos to Mark Millen, for calling a kid on Looneys "FAT" loud enough so everyone completely across the field could hear it. Sad because I was watching the game next to a 91 dad and he seemed normal and even he cringed when he said it. Guy is a disgrace

I don't think either coach should be proud of the way they handled themselves. Screaming their heads off at 8th graders like the outcome really matters in a game that was never close. Disgusting displays which unfortunately are all too common in this division with both coaches and parents. I ould have thought that these two guys would have had enough games under their belts as players and coaches to know how to act.

To be clear getting vocal at some points in the game with young player is not the problem. It’s expected and essential. If you can’t stomach that then get out of the game. For a grown adult to name call a young teenage is something that can not be tolerated. My son confirmed on the ride home that the fat comment did happen.... I did not hear it during the game but I spent most of that game talking with a lot of friends in the lax community.. The most shameful part of the entire situation is not one coach, ref, or parent did not step in to say that is wrong for a coach to name call and bully a child..... Shameful that parents sat on their hands and allowed a grown man to bully a kid in a public forum. If I would have heard it let it be known I would have marched over to that sideline and called him out for that BS. Dude better hope he has a good dentist if he pulls that garbage in front of me.... weak parents for allowing this man to do this....

That’s every weekend with MM. why are you acting surprised? Talk to him next time you see him.

Maybe someone did? My son on 91 said Millon is not coaching the 23 team anymore this season.

He will be back! He cant live with the thought of somebody else coaching his son. He is just throwing his typical temper tantrum after a couple losses, thinking people will beg him to come back. Once he figures out nobody will, he will come back anyway. The team might win a few games without him, then he will come back and beat the kids into the ground some more.

Team might win a few games??? Not in the HOCO league

I stayed after my sons game to catch the Crabs/FCA game; a lot of talent on the field at all positions for both teams. One of the most competitive games I have seen this year. From FO to transition to defense to goal-tending and two very good offenses it was enjoyable to watch. We need more games like this to discuss and less chatter about hardbacks and MM.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I stayed after my sons game to catch the Crabs/FCA game; a lot of talent on the field at all positions for both teams. One of the most competitive games I have seen this year. From FO to transition to defense to goal-tending and two very good offenses it was enjoyable to watch. We need more games like this to discuss and less chatter about hardbacks and MM.

Well there aren’t any. FCA v Looneys was 9-8. Otherwise blow out city. Only four teams belong in elite. The others don’t. 91 never did. Winless in 3 years. No close games. It did not even make it the finals of the lower tier before that.

Why is Team 91 allowed in Elite again?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kudos to Mark Millen, for calling a kid on Looneys "FAT" loud enough so everyone completely across the field could hear it. Sad because I was watching the game next to a 91 dad and he seemed normal and even he cringed when he said it. Guy is a disgrace

I don't think either coach should be proud of the way they handled themselves. Screaming their heads off at 8th graders like the outcome really matters in a game that was never close. Disgusting displays which unfortunately are all too common in this division with both coaches and parents. I ould have thought that these two guys would have had enough games under their belts as players and coaches to know how to act.

To be clear getting vocal at some points in the game with young player is not the problem. It’s expected and essential. If you can’t stomach that then get out of the game. For a grown adult to name call a young teenage is something that can not be tolerated. My son confirmed on the ride home that the fat comment did happen.... I did not hear it during the game but I spent most of that game talking with a lot of friends in the lax community.. The most shameful part of the entire situation is not one coach, ref, or parent did not step in to say that is wrong for a coach to name call and bully a child..... Shameful that parents sat on their hands and allowed a grown man to bully a kid in a public forum. If I would have heard it let it be known I would have marched over to that sideline and called him out for that BS. Dude better hope he has a good dentist if he pulls that garbage in front of me.... weak parents for allowing this man to do this....

That’s every weekend with MM. why are you acting surprised? Talk to him next time you see him.

Maybe someone did? My son on 91 said Millon is not coaching the 23 team anymore this season.

I am sure he did. They are 0-4. He probably says that after every loss, yet low and behold, there he is the next weekend. At this stage in the game, everyone knows who MM is, everyone knows he is a hammerhead, everyone knows he belittles and berates and bullies. Those who pay to have him coach their kid knowing all of that just shows they are of the same trash mentality. If you don’t like what you see, don’t give him your money, or more importantly, your kid. Otherwise move on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is Team 91 allowed in Elite again?

Because AAA didn’t want him.

There are over 40 teams playing HOCO in five divisions yet this team that may not be top 15 is the talk of the league??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are over 40 teams playing HOCO in five divisions yet this team that may not be top 15 is the talk of the league??

Because only the elite division matters and this team does not and never did belong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are over 40 teams playing HOCO in five divisions yet this team that may not be top 15 is the talk of the league??

Because only the elite division matters and this team does not and never did belong.

who cares.. grow up. ITS NOT ABOUT THAT!!! when will you see the forest through the trees!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are over 40 teams playing HOCO in five divisions yet this team that may not be top 15 is the talk of the league??

Because only the elite division matters and this team does not and never did belong.

who cares.. grow up. ITS NOT ABOUT THAT!!! when will you see the forest through the trees!

All about that and nothing else. For this forum anyway. No one cares about the other divisions. So no one posts about them.

only elite matters???? delusional parent...cheaters division... go play 2022 and play with people your own age

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are over 40 teams playing HOCO in five divisions yet this team that may not be top 15 is the talk of the league??

Because only the elite division matters and this team does not and never did belong.

who cares.. grow up. ITS NOT ABOUT THAT!!! when will you see the forest through the trees!

All about that and nothing else. For this forum anyway. No one cares about the other divisions. So no one posts about them.

They are busy laughing at people like you who take this way too seriously

It’s the same three or four people on here arguing with each other. I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s one or two of you guys arguing with yourself. Cheaters, Holdbacks, MM, team 91, is all you see on gear lately. Is anyone on this forum even interested in just developing your son into a better lacrosse player? After HS 75% will never play the game again even in the elite division

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s the same three or four people on here arguing with each other. I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s one or two of you guys arguing with yourself. Cheaters, Holdbacks, MM, team 91, is all you see on gear lately. Is anyone on this forum even interested in just developing your son into a better lacrosse player? After HS 75% will never play the game again even in the elite division

75% is probably a little low..look at the geographic diversity on college rosters now, and the pool of plays is growing exponentially every year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s the same three or four people on here arguing with each other. I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s one or two of you guys arguing with yourself. Cheaters, Holdbacks, MM, team 91, is all you see on gear lately. Is anyone on this forum even interested in just developing your son into a better lacrosse player? After HS 75% will never play the game again even in the elite division

If your son does not play elite, and you understand most kids won’t play after HS, what are yiu “developing” him to do? To late for his develop for high school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

only elite matters???? delusional parent...cheaters division... go play 2022 and play with people your own age

Actually, I prefer my son in the elite division so he plays against older kids. Good prep for high school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s the same three or four people on here arguing with each other. I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s one or two of you guys arguing with yourself. Cheaters, Holdbacks, MM, team 91, is all you see on gear lately. Is anyone on this forum even interested in just developing your son into a better lacrosse player? After HS 75% will never play the game again even in the elite division

If your son does not play elite, and you understand most kids won’t play after HS, what are yiu “developing” him to do? To late for his develop for high school.

Foolish comment. Is the only reason to play 8th grade lacrosse to prepare for college lacrosse? There are late bloomers that aren't youth stars that become impact HS players and NCAA players. Likewise there's no guarantee your "elite" stars will become HS stars or play in college.

My son does play in the Elite division. The point is why bother beating a dead horse if everybody is playing by he rules. Even if you don’t agree with them they are still within the rules. Intelligent conversation About lacrosse will never happen on this forum. If we spent the money on academics as we do on lacrosse all of our kids would have full rides. That is the point right? We are just doing this for scholarships because after D1 lacrosse there’s this thing called life we need to prepare our children for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son does play in the Elite division. The point is why bother beating a dead horse if everybody is playing by he rules. Even if you don’t agree with them they are still within the rules. Intelligent conversation About lacrosse will never happen on this forum. If we spent the money on academics as we do on lacrosse all of our kids would have full rides. That is the point right? We are just doing this for scholarships because after D1 lacrosse there’s this thing called life we need to prepare our children for.

Main reason is that these are kids, youths, children...And Youth Sports is meant to be played within some age group..not let select kids get an advantage..

Its YOUTH Sports,,not HS Not College

Then go play rec...problem solved

Do the elite teams really have older players? Let's discuss. Or NOT there are some good games this weekend. Final preview Hawks/Crabs and NL/91 to see if 91 will win a HOCO game this year. If they lose they can hopefully rebound v. Looney's Green on Sunday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Then go play rec...problem solved

Stop letting older players compete that cant make it against their own age peers. Make them play against their own age . Problem solved but it would level the playing field against kids that cant compete on age an upset you.

Same old garbage on this forum on all threads. Tell it to HoCo. Lacrosse: Derek Ludlow - Masters & Grand Masters - 410-313-4706 dludlow@howardcountymd.gov

This isn't advocating either way but soccer made a drastic and immediate change back to age based a few years ago and participation dropped immediately and hasn't recovered. They found parents overwhelmingly sought activities where their kids could play with classmates. The immediate change to calendar year birth date broke up long standing teams and those kids moved on from soccer and have not come back to the sport yet.

I'm not particularly happy about my kid's team having to compete against teams with rosters compositions of 50% and more kids born prior to 9/1 and 75% before 1/1 but it's hard to complain when his team's roster has 4 or 5 summer birthday kids too. And I wonder how I'd feel if a nearby club disbanded and the roster gained a few more displacing even more of the younger birthdays. They'd be better but i'd be even more of a hypocrite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the elite teams really have older players? Let's discuss. Or NOT there are some good games this weekend. Final preview Hawks/Crabs and NL/91 to see if 91 will win a HOCO game this year. If they lose they can hopefully rebound v. Looney's Green on Sunday.

Get there early for Crabs vs Hawks. It should be fun watching the holdback Crabs light up the scoreboard while keeping an eye on Hawks goalie dad losing his sh...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Then go play rec...problem solved

Stop letting older players compete that cant make it against their own age peers. Make them play against their own age . Problem solved but it would level the playing field against kids that cant compete on age an upset you.

My son is on age and has no problem playing against older kids. It only seems to upset the people who’s child can’t compete at a level their parents expect them to.

Hawks win by 3 and the goalie dad leaves with your wife...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Same old garbage on this forum on all threads. Tell it to HoCo. Lacrosse: Derek Ludlow - Masters & Grand Masters - 410-313-4706 dludlow@howardcountymd.gov

This isn't advocating either way but soccer made a drastic and immediate change back to age based a few years ago and participation dropped immediately and hasn't recovered. They found parents overwhelmingly sought activities where their kids could play with classmates. The immediate change to calendar year birth date broke up long standing teams and those kids moved on from soccer and have not come back to the sport yet.

I'm not particularly happy about my kid's team having to compete against teams with rosters compositions of 50% and more kids born prior to 9/1 and 75% before 1/1 but it's hard to complain when his team's roster has 4 or 5 summer birthday kids too. And I wonder how I'd feel if a nearby club disbanded and the roster gained a few more displacing even more of the younger birthdays. They'd be better but i'd be even more of a hypocrite.

Do you think when the cheater's get older they will allow "masters" players to play up on "grand masters" teams? Funny thing is that for masters they do verify age.

It will all be settled in high school next year. Your holdback son on Fresh\soph with mine

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Same old garbage on this forum on all threads. Tell it to HoCo. Lacrosse: Derek Ludlow - Masters & Grand Masters - 410-313-4706 dludlow@howardcountymd.gov

This isn't advocating either way but soccer made a drastic and immediate change back to age based a few years ago and participation dropped immediately and hasn't recovered. They found parents overwhelmingly sought activities where their kids could play with classmates. The immediate change to calendar year birth date broke up long standing teams and those kids moved on from soccer and have not come back to the sport yet.

I'm not particularly happy about my kid's team having to compete against teams with rosters compositions of 50% and more kids born prior to 9/1 and 75% before 1/1 but it's hard to complain when his team's roster has 4 or 5 summer birthday kids too. And I wonder how I'd feel if a nearby club disbanded and the roster gained a few more displacing even more of the younger birthdays. They'd be better but i'd be even more of a hypocrite.

Do you think when the cheater's get older they will allow "masters" players to play up on "grand masters" teams? Funny thing is that for masters they do verify age.

Actually in Masters & GM they usually allow a certain number of age exemptions per team. So yes, they do allow it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Same old garbage on this forum on all threads. Tell it to HoCo. Lacrosse: Derek Ludlow - Masters & Grand Masters - 410-313-4706 dludlow@howardcountymd.gov

This isn't advocating either way but soccer made a drastic and immediate change back to age based a few years ago and participation dropped immediately and hasn't recovered. They found parents overwhelmingly sought activities where their kids could play with classmates. The immediate change to calendar year birth date broke up long standing teams and those kids moved on from soccer and have not come back to the sport yet.

I'm not particularly happy about my kid's team having to compete against teams with rosters compositions of 50% and more kids born prior to 9/1 and 75% before 1/1 but it's hard to complain when his team's roster has 4 or 5 summer birthday kids too. And I wonder how I'd feel if a nearby club disbanded and the roster gained a few more displacing even more of the younger birthdays. They'd be better but i'd be even more of a hypocrite.

Do you think when the cheater's get older they will allow "masters" players to play up on "grand masters" teams? Funny thing is that for masters they do verify age.

Actually in Masters & GM they usually allow a certain number of age exemptions per team. So yes, they do allow it.

Yes, I know and I was really just joking about the irony. Usually it is all agreed upon for teams and very transparent, many times it is for goalies and/or to get enough numbers so us older folks do not have to run too much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Same old garbage on this forum on all threads. Tell it to HoCo. Lacrosse: Derek Ludlow - Masters & Grand Masters - 410-313-4706 dludlow@howardcountymd.gov

This isn't advocating either way but soccer made a drastic and immediate change back to age based a few years ago and participation dropped immediately and hasn't recovered. They found parents overwhelmingly sought activities where their kids could play with classmates. The immediate change to calendar year birth date broke up long standing teams and those kids moved on from soccer and have not come back to the sport yet.

I'm not particularly happy about my kid's team having to compete against teams with rosters compositions of 50% and more kids born prior to 9/1 and 75% before 1/1 but it's hard to complain when his team's roster has 4 or 5 summer birthday kids too. And I wonder how I'd feel if a nearby club disbanded and the roster gained a few more displacing even more of the younger birthdays. They'd be better but i'd be even more of a hypocrite.

Soccer drop has absolutely nothing to do with grade base, NOTHING.. All sports besides two have had a drop in numbers. Main problem with drop is that club soccer is taking over in many areas and cost along with other factors, none to do with garde base.

The age thing that soccer did was change from school calendar age Sept 1 to Jan 1 birth year for all programs like the rest of world does. They gave programs two years to clean the date up. Nothing to do with grade. I see same thing happening in lacrosse with cost and clubs . Club explosion has hurt many rec programs, soccer and lacrosse.

Soccer has a strict age requirement with cards at elite level and has had that for years. The elite level players and the other 5 million soccer players can figure out how to go by age in USA .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Then go play rec...problem solved

Stop letting older players compete that cant make it against their own age peers. Make them play against their own age . Problem solved but it would level the playing field against kids that cant compete on age an upset you.

My son is on age and has no problem playing against older kids. It only seems to upset the people who’s child can’t compete at a level their parents expect them to.

I always found that it upset the holdback/prefirst/reclass players parents when their child had to play against kids their own age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Then go play rec...problem solved

Stop letting older players compete that cant make it against their own age peers. Make them play against their own age . Problem solved but it would level the playing field against kids that cant compete on age an upset you.

My son is on age and has no problem playing against older kids. It only seems to upset the people who’s child can’t compete at a level their parents expect them to.

I always found that it upset the holdback/prefirst/reclass players parents when their child had to play against kids their own age.

That’s a legit statement only a parent of a holdback could reply too.

if you can't compete go play rec? how about play with kids your own age...because your kid can't compete with them

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the elite teams really have older players? Let's discuss. Or NOT there are some good games this weekend. Final preview Hawks/Crabs and NL/91 to see if 91 will win a HOCO game this year. If they lose they can hopefully rebound v. Looney's Green on Sunday.

Get there early for Crabs vs Hawks. It should be fun watching the holdback Crabs light up the scoreboard while keeping an eye on Hawks goalie dad losing his sh...

Hahaha

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the elite teams really have older players? Let's discuss. Or NOT there are some good games this weekend. Final preview Hawks/Crabs and NL/91 to see if 91 will win a HOCO game this year. If they lose they can hopefully rebound v. Looney's Green on Sunday.

Get there early for Crabs vs Hawks. It should be fun watching the holdback Crabs light up the scoreboard while keeping an eye on Hawks goalie dad losing his sh...

Hahaha

Hawks win by 6 and the big crab goes nuts

Crabs was a B team last year. Best in the country this year. Reload? Or RM coaching?

"B" team?? Lost in the semi to Club Blue who the played in the final the year before. They were clearly the third best team in Elite last season. Top 1 or 2 this season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs was a B team last year. Best in the country this year. Reload? Or RM coaching?

RM begged and pleaded with all kinds of Holdback kids from all over to create that team... 17 out of the 23 kids on that team are older... Some of those kids on the team never ever play and have been with that program for years.... even when they were beating Looneys 23-8, RM never subbed and ran the score up on a team that was obviously struggling that day.. Zero Class

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"B" team?? Lost in the semi to Club Blue who the played in the final the year before. They were clearly the third best team in Elite last season. Top 1 or 2 this season.

Good job...... Kids on that 2023 Crabs team are old enough to be playing JV high school lacrosse and probably should be.... Congrats on dominating in an 8th grade lacrosse league.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs was a B team last year. Best in the country this year. Reload? Or RM coaching?

RM begged and pleaded with all kinds of Holdback kids from all over to create that team... 17 out of the 23 kids on that team are older... Some of those kids on the team never ever play and have been with that program for years.... even when they were beating Looneys 23-8, RM never subbed and ran the score up on a team that was obviously struggling that day.. Zero Class

Looneys “struggling that day”? Have one win ... against 91. Will get blown out this weekend too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"B" team?? Lost in the semi to Club Blue who the played in the final the year before. They were clearly the third best team in Elite last season. Top 1 or 2 this season.

Good job...... Kids on that 2023 Crabs team are old enough to be playing JV high school lacrosse and probably should be.... Congrats on dominating in an 8th grade lacrosse league.....

'Cmon Man you can do better than that! The Elite division is an 8th grade league? Think what you want about holdback-Reclass but at least acknowledge that all the other teams are as well. Even T91 has holdbacks. The League is level all play by the same rules.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"B" team?? Lost in the semi to Club Blue who the played in the final the year before. They were clearly the third best team in Elite last season. Top 1 or 2 this season.

Good job...... Kids on that 2023 Crabs team are old enough to be playing JV high school lacrosse and probably should be.... Congrats on dominating in an 8th grade lacrosse league.....

'Cmon Man you can do better than that! The Elite division is an 8th grade league? Think what you want about holdback-Reclass but at least acknowledge that all the other teams are as well. Even T91 has holdbacks. The League is level all play by the same rules.

I think the Average across all teams in HOCO have 5-6 holdbacks. If Crabs do have 17 that took some heavy recruiting to win a 2023 league. RM is just trying to build his club back to where it once was. Everyone wants to play for a winning organization. I still say Hawks win by three and goalie has the best game of the year if that’s possible. He will start as a freshman in the MI AA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs was a B team last year. Best in the country this year. Reload? Or RM coaching?

RM begged and pleaded with all kinds of Holdback kids from all over to create that team... 17 out of the 23 kids on that team are older... Some of those kids on the team never ever play and have been with that program for years.... even when they were beating Looneys 23-8, RM never subbed and ran the score up on a team that was obviously struggling that day.. Zero Class

Actually they have played everyone in every game so far since the Fall. They do a very good job with getting kids on the field in various roles. Playing time isn't 50/50 but it isn't 90/10 either.

And the reason they kept their foot on the gas in the looneys game (while still playing everyone) was because of how the looney's coaches were behaving. I would be embarrassed to have my kid on that team, wow.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs was a B team last year. Best in the country this year. Reload? Or RM coaching?

RM begged and pleaded with all kinds of Holdback kids from all over to create that team... 17 out of the 23 kids on that team are older... Some of those kids on the team never ever play and have been with that program for years.... even when they were beating Looneys 23-8, RM never subbed and ran the score up on a team that was obviously struggling that day.. Zero Class

Actually they have played everyone in every game so far since the Fall. They do a very good job with getting kids on the field in various roles. Playing time isn't 50/50 but it isn't 90/10 either.

And the reason they kept their foot on the gas in the looneys game (while still playing everyone) was because of how the looney's coaches were behaving. I would be embarrassed to have my kid on that team, wow.

This sounds like the dad for one of the crabs’ goalies ...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs was a B team last year. Best in the country this year. Reload? Or RM coaching?

RM begged and pleaded with all kinds of Holdback kids from all over to create that team... 17 out of the 23 kids on that team are older... Some of those kids on the team never ever play and have been with that program for years.... even when they were beating Looneys 23-8, RM never subbed and ran the score up on a team that was obviously struggling that day.. Zero Class

Actually they have played everyone in every game so far since the Fall. They do a very good job with getting kids on the field in various roles. Playing time isn't 50/50 but it isn't 90/10 either.

And the reason they kept their foot on the gas in the looneys game (while still playing everyone) was because of how the looney's coaches were behaving. I would be embarrassed to have my kid on that team, wow.

This sounds like the dad for one of the crabs’ goalies ...

Nope, try again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs was a B team last year. Best in the country this year. Reload? Or RM coaching?

RM begged and pleaded with all kinds of Holdback kids from all over to create that team... 17 out of the 23 kids on that team are older... Some of those kids on the team never ever play and have been with that program for years.... even when they were beating Looneys 23-8, RM never subbed and ran the score up on a team that was obviously struggling that day.. Zero Class

Actually they have played everyone in every game so far since the Fall. They do a very good job with getting kids on the field in various roles. Playing time isn't 50/50 but it isn't 90/10 either.

And the reason they kept their foot on the gas in the looneys game (while still playing everyone) was because of how the looney's coaches were behaving. I would be embarrassed to have my kid on that team, wow.

This sounds like the dad for one of the crabs’ goalies ...

Nope, try again.

Seems like Baltimore County teams have very stable coaching staffs.

Team 91 MD should be banned for that lunatic coach and for strong-arming their 23 team to be Elite when they have been winless for 2+ years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 MD should be banned for that lunatic coach and for strong-arming their 23 team to be Elite when they have been winless for 2+ years.

Lunatic coach banned himself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 MD should be banned for that lunatic coach and for strong-arming their 23 team to be Elite when they have been winless for 2+ years.

Lunatic coach banned himself.

Are u sure ?? Hard to see him not coaching his kid . I guess stranger things have happened.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs was a B team last year. Best in the country this year. Reload? Or RM coaching?

RM begged and pleaded with all kinds of Holdback kids from all over to create that team... 17 out of the 23 kids on that team are older... Some of those kids on the team never ever play and have been with that program for years.... even when they were beating Looneys 23-8, RM never subbed and ran the score up on a team that was obviously struggling that day.. Zero Class

Actually they have played everyone in every game so far since the Fall. They do a very good job with getting kids on the field in various roles. Playing time isn't 50/50 but it isn't 90/10 either.

And the reason they kept their foot on the gas in the looneys game (while still playing everyone) was because of how the looney's coaches were behaving. I would be embarrassed to have my kid on that team, wow.

What did Looney's coach's do?

Crabs 17 Hawks 9

Hahahaha!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 17 Hawks 9

Hahahaha!!!

Hawks need more holdbacks.

MM has 91 clicking. Watch out this summer!

That’s why you play the game someone has to loose at least the crabs were humble and the Hawks were good sports that’s what it’s all about.

Looneys in dead last. 69 goals against in five games - 14 goal average

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That’s why you play the game someone has to loose at least the crabs were humble and the Hawks were good sports that’s what it’s all about.

It was a great clean game, played closer than the score. Ton of talent on both teams, fun to watch. Parents were great on both sides. Couple of missed off sides calls were about it. Refs let them play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That’s why you play the game someone has to loose at least the crabs were humble and the Hawks were good sports that’s what it’s all about.

It was a great clean game, played closer than the score. Ton of talent on both teams, fun to watch. Parents were great on both sides. Couple of missed off sides calls were about it. Refs let them play.

Closer than the score? It was 17-9. Blowout. Not even a game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That’s why you play the game someone has to loose at least the crabs were humble and the Hawks were good sports that’s what it’s all about.

It was a great clean game, played closer than the score. Ton of talent on both teams, fun to watch. Parents were great on both sides. Couple of missed off sides calls were about it. Refs let them play.

Closer than the score? It was 17-9. Blowout. Not even a game.

OK, lets reword it. If there had not been a working scoreboard, you would have thought the game was much closer. Is that better wording for you? Don’t worry, you still got the win and can still toot your horn. #merica

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys in dead last. 69 goals against in five games - 14 goal average

Daddy ball

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That’s why you play the game someone has to loose at least the crabs were humble and the Hawks were good sports that’s what it’s all about.

It was a great clean game, played closer than the score. Ton of talent on both teams, fun to watch. Parents were great on both sides. Couple of missed off sides calls were about it. Refs let them play.

Closer than the score? It was 17-9. Blowout. Not even a game.

OK, lets reword it. If there had not been a working scoreboard, you would have thought the game was much closer. Is that better wording for you? Don’t worry, you still got the win and can still toot your horn. #merica

Does this somehow differ from every other game we’re one team beats the other by 8 goals?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That’s why you play the game someone has to loose at least the crabs were humble and the Hawks were good sports that’s what it’s all about.

It was a great clean game, played closer than the score. Ton of talent on both teams, fun to watch. Parents were great on both sides. Couple of missed off sides calls were about it. Refs let them play.

Closer than the score? It was 17-9. Blowout. Not even a game.

OK, lets reword it. If there had not been a working scoreboard, you would have thought the game was much closer. Is that better wording for you? Don’t worry, you still got the win and can still toot your horn. #merica

Does this somehow differ from every other game we’re one team beats the other by 8 goals?

Look the crabs are on a whole other level, they’re not elite they’re above that. The hawks played a great game. They’re just not at the crabs level. From top to bottom the crabs have the best players. Their weakest link is there goalie play. The crabs came out slow and brought the boom in the second half. I would hate to see what they’re capable of if they played 100% from beginning to end. The Hawks might not even beat FCA!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That’s why you play the game someone has to loose at least the crabs were humble and the Hawks were good sports that’s what it’s all about.

It was a great clean game, played closer than the score. Ton of talent on both teams, fun to watch. Parents were great on both sides. Couple of missed off sides calls were about it. Refs let them play.

Closer than the score? It was 17-9. Blowout. Not even a game.

OK, lets reword it. If there had not been a working scoreboard, you would have thought the game was much closer. Is that better wording for you? Don’t worry, you still got the win and can still toot your horn. #merica

Does this somehow differ from every other game we’re one team beats the other by 8 goals?

Look the crabs are on a whole other level, they’re not elite they’re above that. The hawks played a great game. They’re just not at the crabs level. From top to bottom the crabs have the best players. Their weakest link is there goalie play. The crabs came out slow and brought the boom in the second half. I would hate to see what they’re capable of if they played 100% from beginning to end. The Hawks might not even beat FCA!!!

Video? YouTube link please.

Look the crabs are on a whole other level, they’re not elite they’re above that. The hawks played a great game. They’re just not at the crabs level. From top to bottom the crabs have the best players. Their weakest link is there goalie play. The crabs came out slow and brought the boom in the second half. I would hate to see what they’re capable of if they played 100% from beginning to end. The Hawks might not even beat FCA!!![/quote]

Not a single kid from the Hawks would even make the Crabs team. Crabs!!!

daddy ball? how about HOLDBACK BALL...cheaters

Originally Posted by Anonymous

daddy ball? how about HOLDBACK BALL...cheaters

The daddy ball comment referred to Looneys. Yes, they have holdbacks but of no impact. Only win is against 91 and blown out in the other games. Some kids only on team be use of daddy ball buddies.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a single kid from the Hawks would even make the Crabs team. Crabs!!!

Pretty sure the Hawks' goalie would make the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look the crabs are on a whole other level, they’re not elite they’re above that. The hawks played a great game. They’re just not at the crabs level. From top to bottom the crabs have the best players. Their weakest link is there goalie play. The crabs came out slow and brought the boom in the second half. I would hate to see what they’re capable of if they played 100% from beginning to end. The Hawks might not even beat FCA!!!

Not a single kid from the Hawks would even make the Crabs team. Crabs!!![/quote]

What? Not stake in the Crabs v Hawks but Hawks has the best player in hoco 2023, period.

If anyone has holdback its next level. Crabs might have one kid that is over the limit by a day or two.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a single kid from the Hawks would even make the Crabs team. Crabs!!!

Pretty sure the Hawks' goalie would make the team.

Crabs already have 2 goalies

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a single kid from the Hawks would even make the Crabs team. Crabs!!!

Pretty sure the Hawks' goalie would make the team.

Crabs goalie is better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look the crabs are on a whole other level, they’re not elite they’re above that. The hawks played a great game. They’re just not at the crabs level. From top to bottom the crabs have the best players. Their weakest link is there goalie play. The crabs came out slow and brought the boom in the second half. I would hate to see what they’re capable of if they played 100% from beginning to end. The Hawks might not even beat FCA!!!

Not a single kid from the Hawks would even make the Crabs team. Crabs!!![/quot

Troll... not even a crabs or hawks parent just a bottom dweller trying to cause trouble.

Meanwhile the ones posting smack in here are Crabs dads whose kids don’t get on the field. Probably at work wearing a Crabs T-shirt.

No, Hawks attackman #9 and defensemen #11 could beat out the kids on crabs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a single kid from the Hawks would even make the Crabs team. Crabs!!!

Pretty sure the Hawks' goalie would make the team.

Crabs goalie is better.

Well, there are 2 Crabs goalies (although one is better than the other)

So which one are you talking about?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a single kid from the Hawks would even make the Crabs team. Crabs!!!

Pretty sure the Hawks' goalie would make the team.

Crabs goalie is better.

Well, there are 2 Crabs goalies (although one is better than the other)

So which one are you talking about?

Funny arguing over which 15 or 16 year old is better playing at 2023....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny arguing over which 15 or 16 year old is better playing at 2023....

I see what you did there....
Well played

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Funny arguing over which 15 or 16 year old is better playing at 2023....

I see what you did there....
Well played

Don't the Hawks also have two goalies? Is your son 15 or 16?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a single kid from the Hawks would even make the Crabs team. Crabs!!!

Pretty sure the Hawks' goalie would make the team.

Give me a break. You have to be kidding me. What was the score again oh yeah 17-9 Crabs. So you’re telling me that a “Hawks’ Goalie” would make the crabs team after being lit up by 17 goals! Hahaha OK!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a single kid from the Hawks would even make the Crabs team. Crabs!!!

Pretty sure the Hawks' goalie would make the team.

Give me a break. You have to be kidding me. What was the score again oh yeah 17-9 Crabs. So you’re telling me that a “Hawks’ Goalie” would make the crabs team after being lit up by 17 goals! Hahaha OK!!!!

I don't think you know how lacrosse works....

Team91 won its first ever 8th grade game.
That is all.

None of the Hawks would want to play for Crabs... here’s some food for thought apparently some of the Hawks kids were on this forum the past few days and find it pretty funny/pathetic how the adults are so immature. And I quote “their kids need to teach dad about responsible social media”

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team91 won its first ever 8th grade game.
That is all.

They play in sunday league at St Pauls and won games there. As for their 1st win in hoco - congrats to them! Great lesson in perseverance. Sad you see an opportunity to mock a kids sports team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a single kid from the Hawks would even make the Crabs team. Crabs!!!

Pretty sure the Hawks' goalie would make the team.

Give me a break. You have to be kidding me. What was the score again oh yeah 17-9 Crabs. So you’re telling me that a “Hawks’ Goalie” would make the crabs team after being lit up by 17 goals! Hahaha OK!!!!

If the defense played better and the middies and attack didn't lose the ball the whole 2nd half the goalie would not have allowed 17 goals

Truth is that Hawks may not have been tested like this before. The kids on the team are in 8th grade and goalie play is often inconsistent. There have been lots of teams to face Crabs this year and have given up far fewer goals with less skilled defenses and attack/midflields. Posting that our son will make the Crabs and that none of the Hawks want to play for Crabs is silly and does not respect the Crabs players including their goalies. How about good job your team, including the goalies played better that day? There a several strong players in the 8th grade division and the stats don't lie.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Truth is that Hawks may not have been tested like this before. The kids on the team are in 8th grade and goalie play is often inconsistent. There have been lots of teams to face Crabs this year and have given up far fewer goals with less skilled defenses and attack/midflields. Posting that our son will make the Crabs and that none of the Hawks want to play for Crabs is silly and does not respect the Crabs players including their goalies. How about good job your team, including the goalies played better that day? There a several strong players in the 8th grade division and the stats don't lie.

Lots of assumptions being made in this post. Be wary of what you read. With all the garbage talked about the Hawks goalie and his family....I highly doubt they are on this forum, or at least know enough not to post notIntelligent things.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous] Truth is that Hawks may not have been tested like this before. The kids on the team are in 8th grade and goalie play is often inconsistent. There have been lots of teams to face Crabs this year and have given up far fewer goals with less skilled defenses and attack/midflields. Posting that our son will make the Crabs and that none of the Hawks want to play for Crabs is silly and does not respect the Crabs players including their goalies. How about good job your team, including the goalies played better that day? There a several strong players in the 8th grade division and the stats don't lie.

Lots of assumptions being made in this post. Be wary of what you read. With all the garbage talked about the Hawks goalie and his family....I highly doubt they are on this forum, or at least know enough not to post notIntelligent things.

Don't assume that it is Hawks parents posting any of these ridiculous comments. There are trolls all over online platforms. It really could be anyone. I am a Hawks parent. The Crabs were outstanding. Fun to watch. These are the feelings of nearly every one of our parents. Best of luck to all teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team91 won its first ever 8th grade game.
That is all.

They play in sunday league at St Pauls and won games there. As for their 1st win in hoco - congrats to them! Great lesson in perseverance. Sad you see an opportunity to mock a kids sports team.

First win in HoCo in 2+ years. That is sad. There are more deserving teams in the AAA division than Team 91, but the owner maneuvered to get them at the Elite level for 3 years.

That was a terrible decision for those Team 91 kids and the kids on teams that are more deserving.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team91 won its first ever 8th grade game.
That is all.

They play in sunday league at St Pauls and won games there. As for their 1st win in hoco - congrats to them! Great lesson in perseverance. Sad you see an opportunity to mock a kids sports team.

First win in HoCo in 2+ years. That is sad. There are more deserving teams in the AAA division than Team 91, but the owner maneuvered to get them at the Elite level for 3 years.

That was a terrible decision for those Team 91 kids and the kids on teams that are more deserving.

Give it to the 9th grader

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team91 won its first ever 8th grade game.
That is all.

They play in sunday league at St Pauls and won games there. As for their 1st win in hoco - congrats to them! Great lesson in perseverance. Sad you see an opportunity to mock a kids sports team.

First win in HoCo in 2+ years. That is sad. There are more deserving teams in the AAA division than Team 91, but the owner maneuvered to get them at the Elite level for 3 years.

That was a terrible decision for those Team 91 kids and the kids on teams that are more deserving.

Please enlighten us. Who is the more deserving team? Why don’t you work on scheduling a game between 91 and the more deserving team. If the more deserving AAA -team wins then they take 91’s spot in the Elite division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team91 won its first ever 8th grade game.
That is all.

They play in sunday league at St Pauls and won games there. As for their 1st win in hoco - congrats to them! Great lesson in perseverance. Sad you see an opportunity to mock a kids sports team.

SP league has a winless AAA Looneys, winless AA Koopers, Zingo who only beat Koopers,
And B Fallston. Dumb post about other wins hammerhead. Oh, and the HoCo was over a winless team too

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team91 won its first ever 8th grade game.
That is all.

They play in sunday league at St Pauls and won games there. As for their 1st win in hoco - congrats to them! Great lesson in perseverance. Sad you see an opportunity to mock a kids sports team.

SP league has a winless AAA Looneys, winless AA Koopers, Zingo who only beat Koopers,
And B Fallston. Dumb post about other wins hammerhead. Oh, and the HoCo was over a winless team too

With two games left in the HOCO season it looks like clear front runners have emerged in the Elite Division and AAA Division, 2-3 teams in AA and 3-4 teams in A&B divisions. Team 91 got a win so their season is saved. The teams that moved up a division from last season struggled and the teams that moved down are near the top of the divisions. I think the biggest surprise this season is the Crabs. It should be a fun last few weeks before these teams go on to tournaments then showcases where the W&L's do not matter as much and the chatter on these boards about dies off. Just ask the 2022 parents from last season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team91 won its first ever 8th grade game.
That is all.

They play in sunday league at St Pauls and won games there. As for their 1st win in hoco - congrats to them! Great lesson in perseverance. Sad you see an opportunity to mock a kids sports team.

First win in HoCo in 2+ years. That is sad. There are more deserving teams in the AAA division than Team 91, but the owner maneuvered to get them at the Elite level for 3 years.

That was a terrible decision for those Team 91 kids and the kids on teams that are more deserving.

Give it to the 9th grader

Except now when MM yells "give it to the 9th grader," he means his own re-classed kid.

What is up with Looneys. Won by a goal over NL. Only other win is over 91.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is up with Looneys. Won by a goal over NL. Only other win is over 91.

What is up with FCA. Only won by a goal (and a non-call) over Looneys. Only other wins are against the same teams Looneys beat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is up with Looneys. Won by a goal over NL. Only other win is over 91.

What is up with FCA. Only won by a goal (and a non-call) over Looneys. Only other wins are against the same teams Looneys beat.

There are 3 teams with better skills athleticism and size. The other 5 teams in elite division are fairly close and should have mostly competitive games. Kudos to FCA for giving Crabs all they could handle. It's OK to be merely a very good team. These are still youth teams

Did Koopers 2023 quit the season in their own league? Zero wins in either league. Lotta chatter preseason about moving up.

What happened with hawks and T91 games? HoCo site isn’t updated.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is up with Looneys. Won by a goal over NL. Only other win is over 91.

What is up with FCA. Only won by a goal (and a non-call) over Looneys. Only other wins are against the same teams Looneys beat.

Combined scores of Looneys vs the top 3 teams in HOCO is 55-17.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is up with Looneys. Won by a goal over NL. Only other win is over 91.

What is up with FCA. Only won by a goal (and a non-call) over Looneys. Only other wins are against the same teams Looneys beat.

Combined scores of Looneys vs the top 3 teams in HOCO is 55-17.

Not sure what FCA's scores will be since (1) They still have one game against the top 3 and (2) Last game score isn't posted. So the comparison is apparently based on doing well against the Crabs. Note however that the Crabs were without their top scorer when they played FCA.

Regardless, FCA will be the fourth seed, and presumably Looneys the 5th. But its clear that the two teams are pretty evenly matched.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is up with Looneys. Won by a goal over NL. Only other win is over 91.

What is up with FCA. Only won by a goal (and a non-call) over Looneys. Only other wins are against the same teams Looneys beat.

Combined scores of Looneys vs the top 3 teams in HOCO is 55-17.

Not sure what FCA's scores will be since (1) They still have one game against the top 3 and (2) Last game score isn't posted. So the comparison is apparently based on doing well against the Crabs. Note however that the Crabs were without their top scorer when they played FCA.

Regardless, FCA will be the fourth seed, and presumably Looneys the 5th. But its clear that the two teams are pretty evenly matched.

Not sure why this is an FCA - Looneys comparison. FCA lost to hawks 9-4. Very competitive game but hawks had the better offense and made fewer mistakes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is up with Looneys. Won by a goal over NL. Only other win is over 91.

What is up with FCA. Only won by a goal (and a non-call) over Looneys. Only other wins are against the same teams Looneys beat.

Combined scores of Looneys vs the top 3 teams in HOCO is 55-17.

Not sure what FCA's scores will be since (1) They still have one game against the top 3 and (2) Last game score isn't posted. So the comparison is apparently based on doing well against the Crabs. Note however that the Crabs were without their top scorer when they played FCA.

Regardless, FCA will be the fourth seed, and presumably Looneys the 5th. But its clear that the two teams are pretty evenly matched.

5th seed with 2 wins, both against 1 win teams! Now that is glass half full perspective there!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is up with Looneys. Won by a goal over NL. Only other win is over 91.

What is up with FCA. Only won by a goal (and a non-call) over Looneys. Only other wins are against the same teams Looneys beat.

Combined scores of Looneys vs the top 3 teams in HOCO is 55-17.

Not sure what FCA's scores will be since (1) They still have one game against the top 3 and (2) Last game score isn't posted. So the comparison is apparently based on doing well against the Crabs. Note however that the Crabs were without their top scorer when they played FCA.

Regardless, FCA will be the fourth seed, and presumably Looneys the 5th. But its clear that the two teams are pretty evenly matched.

5th seed with 2 wins, both against 1 win teams! Now that is glass half full perspective there!

The comparison is between the two "middle" teams. They both will (likely) have lost all their games to the top three and won against the bottom 3. FCA won the head-to-head by one goal so they will make the playoffs and then lose to Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened with hawks and T91 games? HoCo site isn’t updated.

Hawks won

Looks like HoCo changed their league website host...no more standings posted as far as I can tell.

Thought we may try something fun that hopefully won't start an argument but a lively discussion:

2023 Awards

Best Team
Best Coaching
Best Attack (Individual and Team)
Best Midfield (Individual and Team)
Best Defense (Individual and Team)
Best Goalie (Individual and Team)
Best FO (Individual and Team)
Most improved Team
Team that took the biggest step back

New website is lousy. Does anyone know the tie breakers? If DCD beat Crabs, Crabs beat Hawks, Hawks beat DCD, who is the number one team? The new site does not show GD and I think GA was another criteria that was used as well as SOS which will be the same for all teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like HoCo changed their league website host...no more standings posted as far as I can tell.

That new website is horrible.

Looks like it was a county-wide change...Lacrosse league probably didn’t have a say in the decision making.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thought we may try something fun that hopefully won't start an argument but a lively discussion:

2023 Awards

Best Team
Best Coaching
Best Attack (Individual and Team)
Best Midfield (Individual and Team)
Best Defense (Individual and Team)
Best Goalie (Individual and Team)
Best FO (Individual and Team)
Most improved Team
Team that took the biggest step back

Which division? Hard to grade if you have not watched the games.

[quote=Anonymous]Thought we may try something fun that hopefully won't start an argument but a lively discussion:

2023 Awards

Best Attack (Individual and Team): Not even close. Definitely Team 91 and #9.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thought we may try something fun that hopefully won't start an argument but a lively discussion:

2023 Awards

Best Team
Best Coaching
Best Attack (Individual and Team)
Best Midfield (Individual and Team)
Best Defense (Individual and Team)
Best Goalie (Individual and Team)
Best FO (Individual and Team)
Most improved Team
Team that took the biggest step back

Which division? Hard to grade if you have not watched the games.

If we are talking Elite and I am assuming we are:

Best Team - Crabs even with the loss to DC Dogs; this is still the team to beat
Best Coaching - Hawks; I feel this is the most disciplined team from top to bottom and they seem to understand the game of lacrosse and how it should be played
Best Attack (Individual and Team) - Crabs have the best 3 and this isn't even close; I think #20 for crabs has the best all around game; speed, ball handling etc
Best Midfield (Individual and Team) - Toss up between DC Dogs and Hawks; not sure if any one individual stood out
Best Defense (Individual and Team) - Toss up between Crabs and Hawks; both are big, fast and have high lacrosse IQs
Best Goalie (Individual and Team) - Toss up again between Hawks and Crabs; I give the edge to Crabs with the crabs goalie being the best at the 2023 level
Best FO (Individual and Team) - Toss up between Crabs and FCA; I think Crabs have the best 1-2 punch with 6 being better than 10, FCA kid may be the most skilled
Most improved Team - DC Dogs since they are technically the newest team and could win on any given Sunday.
Team that took the biggest step back - The easy answer would be 91 based on what is written on this forum but I actually feel they have improved somewhat. They need a goalie and some more size. I would say its a toss up between Next Level and Looney's who played an amazing game this past weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thought we may try something fun that hopefully won't start an argument but a lively discussion:

2023 Awards

Best Team
Best Coaching
Best Attack (Individual and Team)
Best Midfield (Individual and Team)
Best Defense (Individual and Team)
Best Goalie (Individual and Team)
Best FO (Individual and Team)
Most improved Team
Team that took the biggest step back

Shouldn't this be broken down in two categories..On age players and Holdback players. Big difference for many on age 8th graders going against heldback 9th graders. .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thought we may try something fun that hopefully won't start an argument but a lively discussion:

2023 Awards

Best Team
Best Coaching
Best Attack (Individual and Team)
Best Midfield (Individual and Team)
Best Defense (Individual and Team)
Best Goalie (Individual and Team)
Best FO (Individual and Team)
Most improved Team
Team that took the biggest step back

Shouldn't this be broken down in two categories..On age players and Holdback players. Big difference for many on age 8th graders going against heldback 9th graders. .

Good point but who knows what age these kids are at the 2023s; sad but true. We can all agree that the Crabs and Dogs have the most High School players on their respective teams.

Carbs goalie versus Hawks goalie - two best but have to give it to the Crabs goalie since the Hawks goalie got 'shelled' a few weeks back
3 best teams are at the top of the division (Crabs, Hawks and Dogs) again they all have the most holdbacks so this is to be expected.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hard to grade if you have not watched the games.

Since when has that stopped anyone from giving their opinion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Thought we may try something fun that hopefully won't start an argument but a lively discussion:

2023 Awards

Best Attack (Individual and Team): Not even close. Definitely Team 91 and #9.

I missed something? Was there an award for biggest Daddy ball? Or maybe consecutive shots into the goalie's stick? If so, you nailed it 100%.

What are the HOCO tie-breaker considerations - from 1st to last?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are the HOCO tie-breaker considerations - from 1st to last?

http://www.teampages.com/leagues/134996/announcements/1542868-
Playoff Weekend - Tie Breaking Procedures:

Record/Winning percentage
Head to Head
Total winning percentage of teams you have beaten
Total winning percentage of all your opponents
Total goals scored against
Coin Toss/Card Draw

DC Dogs Bear Crabs. And all the Crabs dads here think their team is better

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Thought we may try something fun that hopefully won't start an argument but a lively discussion:

2023 Awards

Best Attack (Individual and Team): Not even close. Definitely Team 91 and #9.

I missed something? Was there an award for biggest Daddy ball? Or maybe consecutive shots into the goalie's stick? If so, you nailed it 100%.

Ouch ! Thats gotta Hurt..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Dogs Bear Crabs. And all the Crabs dads here think their team is better

That’s why you play the game. DC dogs beat Crabs but lost to Hawks. Hawks beat DCD but lost to Crabs. We will have to wait until the playoffs to see who will be champions this year. Should be a interesting end of the season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thought we may try something fun that hopefully won't start an argument but a lively discussion:

2023 Awards

Best Team
Best Coaching
Best Attack (Individual and Team)
Best Midfield (Individual and Team)
Best Defense (Individual and Team)
Best Goalie (Individual and Team)
Best FO (Individual and Team)
Most improved Team
Team that took the biggest step back

Shouldn't this be broken down in two categories..On age players and Holdback players. Big difference for many on age 8th graders going against heldback 9th graders. .

Best 8th grade team should be added with the winner of the AAA div.

2023 Awards- I have seen all of these teams play multiple times

Best Team- Dogs
Best Coaching- Hawks
Best Attack (Individual and Team)- Hawks #9, Crabs unit
Best Midfield (Individual and Team)- Dogs
Best Defense (Individual and Team)- Hawks, Loonies
Best Goalie (Individual and Team)- Hawks and Crabs
Best FO (Individual and Team)- 91 and Crabs
Most improved Team- 91 not even close; they were terrible last year
Team that took the biggest step back- Loonies but they may never have been up enough to step back

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023 Awards- I have seen all of these teams play multiple times

Best Team- Dogs
Best Coaching- Hawks
Best Attack (Individual and Team)- Hawks #9, Crabs unit
Best Midfield (Individual and Team)- Dogs
Best Defense (Individual and Team)- Hawks, Loonies
Best Goalie (Individual and Team)- Hawks and Crabs
Best FO (Individual and Team)- 91 and Crabs
Most improved Team- 91 not even close; they were terrible last year
Team that took the biggest step back- Loonies but they may never have been up enough to step back

One win over another One win team is a big improvement ! LOL.

"One win over another One win team is a big improvement ! LOL."

Look at the margin of victory in each game. Ask anyone who has seen those guys play. We were blown away by the improvement from when they played last year.
MM kid is very good but they are much better overall from last year's team. Wins and losses were not a criteria I chose to use.

NM, these trolls shouldn't get a response.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2023 Awards- I have seen all of these teams play multiple times

Best Team- Dogs
Best Coaching- Hawks
Best Attack (Individual and Team)- Hawks #9, Crabs unit
Best Midfield (Individual and Team)- Dogs
Best Defense (Individual and Team)- Hawks, Loonies
Best Goalie (Individual and Team)- Hawks and Crabs
Best FO (Individual and Team)- 91 and Crabs
Most improved Team- 91 not even close; they were terrible last year
Team that took the biggest step back- Loonies but they may never have been up enough to step back

I’m not sure the kid from 91 has been better than 50% against any team this year at the X. I saw him against FCA, DC Dogs and Loonines and he was beaten badly in all 3 games. I would give him best effort at the X but clearly not the best or close to it. Crabs duo will handle him no problem this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"One win over another One win team is a big improvement ! LOL."

Look at the margin of victory in each game. Ask anyone who has seen those guys play. We were blown away by the improvement from when they played last year.
MM kid is very good but they are much better overall from last year's team. Wins and losses were not a criteria I chose to use.

NM, these trolls shouldn't get a response.

Thanks Mark !

2023 Awards

Best Team - I still have to go with the Crabs; even after their loss to the Dogs; lets hope for a rematch
Best Coaching - Hawks
Best Attack (Individual and Team) - Crabs and this is not even close
Best Midfield (Individual and Team) - Dogs - very good team when transitioning the ball
Best Defense (Individual and Team) - Crabs with the Hawks a close second
Best Goalie (Individual and Team) - again crabs with Hawks a close second
Best FO (Individual and Team) - again crabs with FCA a close second
Most improved Team - Crabs - even with the loss to the Dogs this team has reloaded and far better than they were last year.
Team that took the biggest step back - Looney's and Next Level tie

Best Team - Crabs - but the Dogs rematch in the championship will be a good one
Best Coaching - Crabs
Best Attack (Individual and Team) - Crabs but the Hawks have the best individual
Best Midfield (Individual and Team) - Dogs - big, athletic
Best Defense (Individual and Team) - I don't like the zone but it is effective - Hawks
Best Goalie (Individual and Team) - Crabs
Best FO (Individual and Team) - Crabs - honorable mention for the Hawks kid. I like his toughness.
Most improved Team - Crabs obviously
Team that took the biggest step back - What happened to NL?

2023 Awards

Best Team - Dogs Had a let down against Hawks that won't happen again. They outplayed the crabs
Best Coaching - Dogs
Best Attack (Individual and Team) Dogs
Best Midfield (Individual and Team) Dogs by far
Best Defense (Individual and Team) Crabs
Best Goalie (Individual and Team) Crabs with Dogs a very close second
Best FO (Individual and Team) Dogs, Crabs and FCA all seem to be close. Hawks kids struggling this year
Most improved Team - Dogs just bc they are new to the elite division and the most talented team at the elite division
Team that took the biggest step back - Next Level without question; wonder why? lol

Who won last nights game between Express and Dogs? Score?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who won last nights game between Express and Dogs? Score?

Dogs beat Express 10-8

Looneys still keeping it classy. Looneys Player calls an opponent the “n” word, offended opponent reacts for double penalty, Looneys dad walks in front of entire stands and says “this is our last spring game, he does that again you kick his butt.” Other Looneys dad says “I got your back.” Got it on video. Ignorant jerks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys still keeping it classy. Looneys Player calls an opponent the “n” word, offended opponent reacts for double penalty, Looneys dad walks in front of entire stands and says “this is our last spring game, he does that again you kick his butt.” Other Looneys dad says “I got your back.” Got it on video. Ignorant jerks.

He did not call that kid a racial slur...He may have called him something else but it was not the N word.....Stop it Bethesda Mom....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys still keeping it classy. Looneys Player calls an opponent the “n” word, offended opponent reacts for double penalty, Looneys dad walks in front of entire stands and says “this is our last spring game, he does that again you kick his butt.” Other Looneys dad says “I got your back.” Got it on video. Ignorant jerks.

He did not call that kid a racial slur...He may have called him something else but it was not the N word.....Stop it Bethesda Mom....

Classy Express Mom....Lying on that Looneys kid like that...Tell your soft kid that wants to continually cross check a kid in the head that he may expect to be called a name... I know for a fact the name called was not the N word....Crying Wolf like that is not cool....

Looneys omg what a joke. Watch the best players go to 91 next year - but don’t need any attack. 91 has the clearly better head coach.

[/quote]. Not sure what FCA's scores will be since (1) They still have one game against the top 3 and (2) Last game score isn't posted. So the comparison is apparently based on doing well against the Crabs. Note however that the Crabs were without their top scorer when they played FCA.

Regardless, FCA will be the fourth seed, and presumably Looneys the 5th. But its clear that the two teams are pretty evenly matched.[/quote]

How’d that work out for ya?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys still keeping it classy. Looneys Player calls an opponent the “n” word, offended opponent reacts for double penalty, Looneys dad walks in front of entire stands and says “this is our last spring game, he does that again you kick his butt.” Other Looneys dad says “I got your back.” Got it on video. Ignorant jerks.

Post the video

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys still keeping it classy. Looneys Player calls an opponent the “n” word, offended opponent reacts for double penalty, Looneys dad walks in front of entire stands and says “this is our last spring game, he does that again you kick his butt.” Other Looneys dad says “I got your back.” Got it on video. Ignorant jerks.

He did not call that kid a racial slur...He may have called him something else but it was not the N word.....Stop it Bethesda Mom....

Classy Express Mom....Lying on that Looneys kid like that...Tell your soft kid that wants to continually cross check a kid in the head that he may expect to be called a name... I know for a fact the name called was not the N word....Crying Wolf like that is not cool....

The Express kid was called the N word and the kids on the field heard it. The coaches even had to discuss after.

Look the Loonies kid is an obvious racist (you would only refer to someone to their face like that if you are) and did not appreciate that he was loosing to the other kid , so he lashed out in the only way he knew.

As far as I am concerned the Loonies coaches should have taken the kid out of the game (which he did not), but if the Loonies keep the kid on their team it just shows the mind set of the organisation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys still keeping it classy. Looneys Player calls an opponent the “n” word, offended opponent reacts for double penalty, Looneys dad walks in front of entire stands and says “this is our last spring game, he does that again you kick his butt.” Other Looneys dad says “I got your back.” Got it on video. Ignorant jerks.

He did not call that kid a racial slur...He may have called him something else but it was not the N word.....Stop it Bethesda Mom....

Classy Express Mom....Lying on that Looneys kid like that...Tell your soft kid that wants to continually cross check a kid in the head that he may expect to be called a name... I know for a fact the name called was not the N word....Crying Wolf like that is not cool....

Unfortunately the Looney's kid showed his true colors, and yes he did call the other kid a "N". There is no getting around that, the coaches even had to discuss the situation, because they too knew he said it. The Looney's coach probably did not take the player out because he really wanted to win that game, but he should have been removed by the coach. I do not know anything about the parents of the Looney's kid, and I assume that his dad was not aware of what he said and is embarrassed that his son said what he said. .

I hope that the Looney's make an example of this kid and cut him, and all of the other Baltimore area teams choose to leave him off of their roster. it is 2019 and this kind of behavior should not be tolerated

After the game, I understood the "Daddy ball" comments. Loonies attack definitely at the bottom of the league with repeated turnovers and dumb mistakes. No settled offense or time of possession and I don't believe they scored a single goal against DC Exp. yet I didn't ever see them step off of the field. I can't imagine that they didn't have someone else on their roster that could have played better - the only explanation is their wing guys being coach's kids. Never seen a kid at this level try to unsuccessfully beat a tripple team 5 or 6 times in a row- even their parents were going crazy watching him throw posessions away. Compliment that with the other wing not being able to pass the ball either throwing it out of bounds or over heads and weak outside shots on midfield and it's easy too see how there was 75/25 possession advantage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thought we may try something fun that hopefully won't start an argument but a lively discussion:

2023 Awards

Best Team
Best Coaching
Best Attack (Individual and Team)
Best Midfield (Individual and Team)
Best Defense (Individual and Team)
Best Goalie (Individual and Team)
Best FO (Individual and Team)
Most improved Team
Team that took the biggest step back

Wow. Get a life, dad. You seriously came up with awards for a 8th Grade Boys Lacrosse League? LOL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thought we may try something fun that hopefully won't start an argument but a lively discussion:

2023 Awards

Best Team
Best Coaching
Best Attack (Individual and Team)
Best Midfield (Individual and Team)
Best Defense (Individual and Team)
Best Goalie (Individual and Team)
Best FO (Individual and Team)
Most improved Team
Team that took the biggest step back

Wow. Get a life, dad. You seriously came up with awards for a 8th Grade Boys Lacrosse League? LOL.

Sorry your son and his team didnt make the list. Have him and the team Hit The Wall !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thought we may try something fun that hopefully won't start an argument but a lively discussion:

2023 Awards

Best Team
Best Coaching
Best Attack (Individual and Team)
Best Midfield (Individual and Team)
Best Defense (Individual and Team)
Best Goalie (Individual and Team)
Best FO (Individual and Team)
Most improved Team
Team that took the biggest step back

Wow. Get a life, dad. You seriously came up with awards for a 8th Grade Boys Lacrosse League? LOL.

100% this is a mom not a dad and the need for anonymous recognition came after a certain team gave up 17 goals. SAD

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thought we may try something fun that hopefully won't start an argument but a lively discussion:

2023 Awards

Best Team
Best Coaching
Best Attack (Individual and Team)
Best Midfield (Individual and Team)
Best Defense (Individual and Team)
Best Goalie (Individual and Team)
Best FO (Individual and Team)
Most improved Team
Team that took the biggest step back

Wow. Get a life, dad. You seriously came up with awards for a 8th Grade Boys Lacrosse League? LOL.

What exactly are you supposed to do on an 8th grade lacrosse forum? Asking for peoples opinions/awards on 8th grade lacrosse on a lacrosse forum specifically focused on 8th grade lacrosse, how outrageous! Truly unimaginable that someone would post something that might actually lead to a discussion on 8th grade lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After the game, I understood the "Daddy ball" comments. Loonies attack definitely at the bottom of the league with repeated turnovers and dumb mistakes. No settled offense or time of possession and I don't believe they scored a single goal against DC Exp. yet I didn't ever see them step off of the field. I can't imagine that they didn't have someone else on their roster that could have played better - the only explanation is their wing guys being coach's kids. Never seen a kid at this level try to unsuccessfully beat a tripple team 5 or 6 times in a row- even their parents were going crazy watching him throw posessions away. Compliment that with the other wing not being able to pass the ball either throwing it out of bounds or over heads and weak outside shots on midfield and it's easy too see how there was 75/25 possession advantage.

It's bad.... All 3 attack men probably the most selfish in the game...They do not look up and they do not pass. They Constantly run in to double and triples teams and turn the ball over and over and over again.. Coaches do not seem to correct it and wonder why they have had a horrible Fall and Spring.... They have some talented kids on that roster... Might be time to switch up your Attack? It's costing the team. You will see a big turnover in this team next year if things do not get fixed soon......It's really difficult to watch....especially now with the new antics on the sidelines...disgraceful and embarrassing.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys still keeping it classy. Looneys Player calls an opponent the “n” word, offended opponent reacts for double penalty, Looneys dad walks in front of entire stands and says “this is our last spring game, he does that again you kick his butt.” Other Looneys dad says “I got your back.” Got it on video. Ignorant jerks.

He did not call that kid a racial slur...He may have called him something else but it was not the N word.....Stop it Bethesda Mom....

Classy Express Mom....Lying on that Looneys kid like that...Tell your soft kid that wants to continually cross check a kid in the head that he may expect to be called a name... I know for a fact the name called was not the N word....Crying Wolf like that is not cool....

The Express kid was called the N word and the kids on the field heard it. The coaches even had to discuss after.

Look the Loonies kid is an obvious racist (you would only refer to someone to their face like that if you are) and did not appreciate that he was loosing to the other kid , so he lashed out in the only way he knew.

As far as I am concerned the Loonies coaches should have taken the kid out of the game (which he did not), but if the Loonies keep the kid on their team it just shows the mind set of the organisation.

Bull... Little Jussie Smolett on the Express team was the one calling everyone the N word....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Express kid was called the N word and the kids on the field heard it.

The only other Looneys kid who was nearby didn't hear the N word. And no one could hear it from the sidelines (I was standing next to the Express dad) about as close to the kids as you could get.

What was said (according to both Looney's kids) was that he called the Express kid a [ChillLaxin] after the cross check to the head and from behind, which was the second foul after the slash at midfield.

And the Looneys coach who talked to the Express kid believed his own players and felt the Express kid was making it up as an excuse for two bad penalties in a very close game.

But people are going to believe what they want.

It's bad.... All 3 attack men probably the most selfish in the game...They do not look up and they do not pass. They Constantly run in to double and triples teams and turn the ball over and over and over again.. Coaches do not seem to correct it and wonder why they have had a horrible Fall and Spring.... They have some talented kids on that roster... Might be time to switch up your Attack? It's costing the team. You will see a big turnover in this team next year if things do not get fixed soon......It's really difficult to watch....especially now with the new antics on the sidelines...disgraceful and embarrassing.....[/quote]

“If things do not get fixed soon”????? Attack is full of daddy coach kids and buddy kids. Those couple of holdbacks prove older does not necessarily mean better. Circus. Had only one winning record in HoCo 5th-8th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys omg what a joke. Watch the best players go to 91 next year - but don’t need any attack. 91 has the clearly better head coach.

As a parent of a kid who has been coached by both...well, I'll save you the specifics and say simply that you are very, very wrong.

He will end up on Breakers

I can give all of you 2023 some good advice as the summer ends...Well this advice is for the players that are going on to 9th grade, if you are being held back this year, move along.

It will be a brave new world in High School. Most of daday ball will be gone. Fresh/Soph ,JV, Varsity all will be looking to win with best players. Ages all over the place and playing against younger players is over until you get to 12th grade.

Frankly, its a little boring. Now, if you kid is good and puts out the effort, He plays, if not, well he doesnt play no matter if you are the son of FB, MM, etc. Lotta notorious coaches's sons will be in HS soon. Will be interesting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can give all of you 2023 some good advice as the summer ends...Well this advice is for the players that are going on to 9th grade, if you are being held back this year, move along.

It will be a brave new world in High School. Most of daday ball will be gone. Fresh/Soph ,JV, Varsity all will be looking to win with best players. Ages all over the place and playing against younger players is over until you get to 12th grade.

Frankly, its a little boring. Now, if you kid is good and puts out the effort, He plays, if not, well he doesnt play no matter if you are the son of FB, MM, etc. Lotta notorious coaches's sons will be in HS soon. Will be interesting.

Actually you will be playing younger players when you’re a sophomore...

HOCO winners this weekend:

Elite: (3)
AAA: (1)
AA: (2)
A: (1)
B: (2)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thought we may try something fun that hopefully won't start an argument but a lively discussion:

2023 Awards

Best Team
Best Coaching
Best Attack (Individual and Team)
Best Midfield (Individual and Team)
Best Defense (Individual and Team)
Best Goalie (Individual and Team)
Best FO (Individual and Team)
Most improved Team
Team that took the biggest step back

Wow. Get a life, dad. You seriously came up with awards for a 8th Grade Boys Lacrosse League? LOL.

100% this is a mom not a dad and the need for anonymous recognition came after a certain team gave up 17 goals. SAD

Hahahaha

The Dad making this comment your son was cut from looneys and you begged the coach to let him on the team. It’s the coaches who are at fault not correcting this play and having no idea what to do. So many of the 2023 elite teams are coached by dads. I wish all these boys well as the enter high school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dad making this comment your son was cut from looneys and you begged the coach to let him on the team. It’s the coaches who are at fault not correcting this play and having no idea what to do. So many of the 2023 elite teams are coached by dads. I wish all these boys well as the enter high school.

Yeah at least my kid was better at loosing the ball in a double or triple team than yours

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look the crabs are on a whole other level, they’re not elite they’re above that. The hawks played a great game. They’re just not at the crabs level. From top to bottom the crabs have the best players. Their weakest link is there goalie play. The crabs came out slow and brought the boom in the second half. I would hate to see what they’re capable of if they played 100% from beginning to end. The Hawks might not even beat FCA!!!

The truth!!!!

What was the score of the crabs hawks game

Who won the crabs hawks game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who won the crabs hawks game

Crabs 14-6

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who won the crabs hawks game

Crabs 14-6

Time to check the police blotter on the Eastern Shore. Goalie dad can't be too happy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who won the crabs hawks game

Crabs 14-6

Time to check the police blotter on the Eastern Shore. Goalie dad can't be too happy

Who won the 2023 championship game?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who won the crabs hawks game

Crabs 14-6

Time to check the police blotter on the Eastern Shore. Goalie dad can't be too happy

Who won the 2023 championship game?

Crabs won pretty easily, by 3 or 4 goals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO winners this weekend:

Elite: (3)
AAA: (1)
AA: (2)
A: (1)
B: (2)

Pretty accurate

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who won the 2023 championship game?

Thats what happens when 16 year olds play in 2023 bracket

Well they played the DC Dogs, don't they have 16 year olds?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who won the 2023 championship game?

Thats what happens when 16 year olds play in 2023 bracket

Ok, name the 16 year olds that are on Crabs 2023 team. Come on, since you seem to know so much, name them because I can't because there aren't any 16 year old kids on that Crabs team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look the crabs are on a whole other level, they’re not elite they’re above that. The hawks played a great game. They’re just not at the crabs level. From top to bottom the crabs have the best players. Their weakest link is there goalie play. The crabs came out slow and brought the boom in the second half. I would hate to see what they’re capable of if they played 100% from beginning to end. The Hawks might not even beat FCA!!!

The truth!!!!

Except for the goalies being the weakest link...... I rather have these two amazing goalies(crabs) then two goalies (hawks) that quit on their team!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who won the 2023 championship game?

Thats what happens when 16 year olds play in 2023 bracket

Ok, name the 16 year olds that are on Crabs 2023 team. Come on, since you seem to know so much, name them because I can't because there aren't any 16 year old kids on that Crabs team.

Darn right 2023 are 13-14 year olds like the Crabs team is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After the game, I understood the "Daddy ball" comments. Loonies attack definitely at the bottom of the league with repeated turnovers and dumb mistakes. No settled offense or time of possession and I don't believe they scored a single goal against DC Exp. yet I didn't ever see them step off of the field. I can't imagine that they didn't have someone else on their roster that could have played better - the only explanation is their wing guys being coach's kids. Never seen a kid at this level try to unsuccessfully beat a tripple team 5 or 6 times in a row- even their parents were going crazy watching him throw posessions away. Compliment that with the other wing not being able to pass the ball either throwing it out of bounds or over heads and weak outside shots on midfield and it's easy too see how there was 75/25 possession advantage.

It's bad.... All 3 attack men probably the most selfish in the game...They do not look up and they do not pass. They Constantly run in to double and triples teams and turn the ball over and over and over again.. Coaches do not seem to correct it and wonder why they have had a horrible Fall and Spring.... They have some talented kids on that roster... Might be time to switch up your Attack? It's costing the team. You will see a big turnover in this team next year if things do not get fixed soon......It's really difficult to watch....especially now with the new antics on the sidelines...disgraceful and embarrassing.....

I'm sure that they have all been told repeatedly that they are the best and to just keep doing what they are doing - it's all the fault of the players around them. Their "D" has to get pissed that they need to play through long possessions only to have the ball turned back over within seconds due to poor decisions and selfishness. I think we know how that's going to go over in MIAA next year, although the daddies are all entrenched in Loyola too so we'll have to wait and see. Looks to me like BL will dominate in 2022 and 2023, Calvert Hall will recruit out of state to make up for the lack of non-Kelly standouts on FCA and Loonies, I mean Loyola, will struggle, while St. Marys quielty keeps pace or beats them.

https://www.USCL.com/2025-rankings.html

This website is kina funny. I guess they do not follow the HOCO league

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After the game, I understood the "Daddy ball" comments. Loonies attack definitely at the bottom of the league with repeated turnovers and dumb mistakes. No settled offense or time of possession and I don't believe they scored a single goal against DC Exp. yet I didn't ever see them step off of the field. I can't imagine that they didn't have someone else on their roster that could have played better - the only explanation is their wing guys being coach's kids. Never seen a kid at this level try to unsuccessfully beat a tripple team 5 or 6 times in a row- even their parents were going crazy watching him throw posessions away. Compliment that with the other wing not being able to pass the ball either throwing it out of bounds or over heads and weak outside shots on midfield and it's easy too see how there was 75/25 possession advantage.

It's bad.... All 3 attack men probably the most selfish in the game...They do not look up and they do not pass. They Constantly run in to double and triples teams and turn the ball over and over and over again.. Coaches do not seem to correct it and wonder why they have had a horrible Fall and Spring.... They have some talented kids on that roster... Might be time to switch up your Attack? It's costing the team. You will see a big turnover in this team next year if things do not get fixed soon......It's really difficult to watch....especially now with the new antics on the sidelines...disgraceful and embarrassing.....

I'm sure that they have all been told repeatedly that they are the best and to just keep doing what they are doing - it's all the fault of the players around them. Their "D" has to get pissed that they need to play through long possessions only to have the ball turned back over within seconds due to poor decisions and selfishness. I think we know how that's going to go over in MIAA next year, although the daddies are all entrenched in Loyola too so we'll have to wait and see. Looks to me like BL will dominate in 2022 and 2023, Calvert Hall will recruit out of state to make up for the lack of non-Kelly standouts on FCA and Loonies, I mean Loyola, will struggle, while St. Marys quielty keeps pace or beats them.

One of the Looneys daddies coaches at Loyola so yeah there’s a connection. Obviously that works for some on the Looneys team going to loyola but not for others ...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After the game, I understood the "Daddy ball" comments. Loonies attack definitely at the bottom of the league with repeated turnovers and dumb mistakes. No settled offense or time of possession and I don't believe they scored a single goal against DC Exp. yet I didn't ever see them step off of the field. I can't imagine that they didn't have someone else on their roster that could have played better - the only explanation is their wing guys being coach's kids. Never seen a kid at this level try to unsuccessfully beat a tripple team 5 or 6 times in a row- even their parents were going crazy watching him throw posessions away. Compliment that with the other wing not being able to pass the ball either throwing it out of bounds or over heads and weak outside shots on midfield and it's easy too see how there was 75/25 possession advantage.

It's bad.... All 3 attack men probably the most selfish in the game...They do not look up and they do not pass. They Constantly run in to double and triples teams and turn the ball over and over and over again.. Coaches do not seem to correct it and wonder why they have had a horrible Fall and Spring.... They have some talented kids on that roster... Might be time to switch up your Attack? It's costing the team. You will see a big turnover in this team next year if things do not get fixed soon......It's really difficult to watch....especially now with the new antics on the sidelines...disgraceful and embarrassing.....

I'm sure that they have all been told repeatedly that they are the best and to just keep doing what they are doing - it's all the fault of the players around them. Their "D" has to get pissed that they need to play through long possessions only to have the ball turned back over within seconds due to poor decisions and selfishness. I think we know how that's going to go over in MIAA next year, although the daddies are all entrenched in Loyola too so we'll have to wait and see. Looks to me like BL will dominate in 2022 and 2023, Calvert Hall will recruit out of state to make up for the lack of non-Kelly standouts on FCA and Loonies, I mean Loyola, will struggle, while St. Marys quielty keeps pace or beats them.

One of the Looneys daddies coaches at Loyola so yeah there’s a connection. Obviously that works for some on the Looneys team going to loyola but not for others ...

I think they are all alum with older sons already there, but it may not make as much difference with coaching staff changes the past 2 years. With all of the negative Loonies comments, maybe they fold this year like their 2022 team did last year and just field a "B" team.

In your opinion he is a racist.
You are just saying that because he is White.
Anti-racist is just a code word for Anti-White.

Why are you such an Anti-White?
Do you think destroying a young White boys reputation with your pathetic "virtue signaling" is morally justifiable?

WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

Originally Posted by Anonymous

WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

Did Trump start coaching the Looney's? Did BOTC turn into Facebook?

Go back to Looneys and have another beer dad

Not sure where the racist comments came from? I heard Loyola head coach is taking over Loonies 2023. Will any Loyola players switch teams to be with their school coach? Are they looking to fix a problem? Non-parent does not necessarily mean non-biased.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure where the racist comments came from? I heard Loyola head coach is taking over Loonies 2023. Will any Loyola players switch teams to be with their school coach? Are they looking to fix a problem? Non-parent does not necessarily mean non-biased.

And will players going to schools other than Loyola leave?

Breakers will overtake and Looneys

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure where the racist comments came from? I heard Loyola head coach is taking over Loonies 2023. Will any Loyola players switch teams to be with their school coach? Are they looking to fix a problem? Non-parent does not necessarily mean non-biased.

And will players going to schools other than Loyola leave?

There seem to be a lot of Racist-Lax Dad's and Mom's on 'all' the Club teams. I see very few African Americans or Mexicans or Chinese on any of these teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure where the racist comments came from? I heard Loyola head coach is taking over Loonies 2023. Will any Loyola players switch teams to be with their school coach? Are they looking to fix a problem? Non-parent does not necessarily mean non-biased.

And will players going to schools other than Loyola leave?

There are a lot of Racist-Lax Mom's and Dad's on all the Club teams. Where is the diversity? There is none!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure where the racist comments came from? I heard Loyola head coach is taking over Loonies 2023. Will any Loyola players switch teams to be with their school coach? Are they looking to fix a problem? Non-parent does not necessarily mean non-biased.

And will players going to schools other than Loyola leave?

There seem to be a lot of Racist-Lax Dad's and Mom's on 'all' the Club teams. I see very few African Americans or Mexicans or Chinese on any of these teams.

"Mexicans?" "Chinese?" who is being racist? These are nationalities not races. Mom's and dad's are not at fault for a lack of diversity in the sport. It is the lack of a rec program in developing areas. The club cost, private school influence, and lack of marketing to minority communities are the issues.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure where the racist comments came from? I heard Loyola head coach is taking over Loonies 2023. Will any Loyola players switch teams to be with their school coach? Are they looking to fix a problem? Non-parent does not necessarily mean non-biased.

And will players going to schools other than Loyola leave?

There seem to be a lot of Racist-Lax Dad's and Mom's on 'all' the Club teams. I see very few African Americans or Mexicans or Chinese on any of these teams.

I claim racists in AAU basketball. hardly any whites,eskimos or asians.
This statement sounds as ignorant as the one above.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers will overtake and Looneys

Very possible, but they need to get away from having 1 coach and 1 practice for their two teams combined to attract better players. Also being locked into all Aloha tournaments is a negative. They carry multiple, big teams, have high fees and then play in all of their own tournaments to maximize profits above all else.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure where the racist comments came from? I heard Loyola head coach is taking over Loonies 2023. Will any Loyola players switch teams to be with their school coach? Are they looking to fix a problem? Non-parent does not necessarily mean non-biased.

And will players going to schools other than Loyola leave?

There are a lot of Racist-Lax Mom's and Dad's on all the Club teams. Where is the diversity? There is none!

Lack of diversity and racism are two very different things. To assume one is always the result of the other is just plain ignorant and likely racist in itself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers will overtake and Looneys

Very possible, but they need to get away from having 1 coach and 1 practice for their two teams combined to attract better players. Also being locked into all Aloha tournaments is a negative. They carry multiple, big teams, have high fees and then play in all of their own tournaments to maximize profits above all else.

Also arrogant and shady. Planned to carry 3 teams at 2023 and said players would be offered invite but not assigned to specific team until after practices (not tryouts).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers will overtake and Looneys

Very possible, but they need to get away from having 1 coach and 1 practice for their two teams combined to attract better players. Also being locked into all Aloha tournaments is a negative. They carry multiple, big teams, have high fees and then play in all of their own tournaments to maximize profits above all else.

Also arrogant and shady. Planned to carry 3 teams at 2023 and said players would be offered invite but not assigned to specific team until after practices (not tryouts).

That’s nothing compared to FCA’s shadiness. Advertise “open” tryouts when returning players are “guaranteed” a spot. Total money grab. Then parents pay $2500 in dues to be on weak second teams just so they can be part of the brand while the club uses their dues to offset costs for top teams and increase profit. Suckers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers will overtake and Looneys

Very possible, but they need to get away from having 1 coach and 1 practice for their two teams combined to attract better players. Also being locked into all Aloha tournaments is a negative. They carry multiple, big teams, have high fees and then play in all of their own tournaments to maximize profits above all else.

Also arrogant and shady. Planned to carry 3 teams at 2023 and said players would be offered invite but not assigned to specific team until after practices (not tryouts).

So basically "Pay us and we'll find somewhere for your kid to play" Sounds like expensive Rec. (which is what much of club lax has turned into: for-profit Rec)

Hold up, you aren't told which team you're on after tryouts??? Who the heck, would play for Breakers based on that right there? I don't get it. What's the draw? Their summer camps? Aloha tournaments...don't get me started.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hold up, you aren't told which team you're on after tryouts??? Who the heck, would play for Breakers based on that right there? I don't get it. What's the draw? Their summer camps? Aloha tournaments...don't get me started.

High Cost and the drumbeat of Aloha tournaments is a big negative. At one time he had one of the two big clubs in Baltimore ( Breakers and Crabs) along with majority of tournaments. Outrageously expensive even then to play for Breakers. Now monopoly is over.

Only fringe players with out of touch parents would play for this club. Frankly it has been a money grab for years. It is now geared towards recreational teams that want to act like Club teams. I guess there is a market for everything now

Save your money. Play for one of the rec teams in area.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hold up, you aren't told which team you're on after tryouts??? Who the heck, would play for Breakers based on that right there? I don't get it. What's the draw? Their summer camps? Aloha tournaments...don't get me started.

High Cost and the drumbeat of Aloha tournaments is a big negative. At one time he had one of the two big clubs in Baltimore ( Breakers and Crabs) along with majority of tournaments. Outrageously expensive even then to play for Breakers. Now monopoly is over.

Only fringe players with out of touch parents would play for this club. Frankly it has been a money grab for years. It is now geared towards recreational teams that want to act like Club teams. I guess there is a market for everything now

Save your money. Play for one of the rec teams in area.

Breakers has two 2023 teams - AAA and A divisions in HoCo and both made the playoffs. Top team can beat top FCA and Looneys teams and the second team at least played in an appropriate bracket unlike FCA and Looneys. It’s under $2000 for both teams. Which club is the money grab?

They really can’t beat looneys and fca top teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They really can’t beat looneys and fca top teams

They know that, but they like to dream. Most of teams in A and frankly many in AA and AAA are glorified rec teams.
Does feel better to spend 2000 and call yourself club tho.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They really can’t beat looneys and fca top teams

Doubt they meet over the summer since ... Aloha ...
So they might have to wait until next season which will stack the deck more for Breakers after tryouts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They really can’t beat looneys and fca top teams

They know that, but they like to dream. Most of teams in A and frankly many in AA and AAA are glorified rec teams.
Does feel better to spend 2000 and call yourself club tho.

So Breakers playing in semifinals of AAA is glorified rec, but Looneys winning two games over worst teams in Elite and Fca beating same teams plus Loonies in Elite is superior to Breakers. Got it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hold up, you aren't told which team you're on after tryouts??? Who the heck, would play for Breakers based on that right there? I don't get it. What's the draw? Their summer camps? Aloha tournaments...don't get me started.

High Cost and the drumbeat of Aloha tournaments is a big negative. At one time he had one of the two big clubs in Baltimore ( Breakers and Crabs) along with majority of tournaments. Outrageously expensive even then to play for Breakers. Now monopoly is over.

Only fringe players with out of touch parents would play for this club. Frankly it has been a money grab for years. It is now geared towards recreational teams that want to act like Club teams. I guess there is a market for everything now

Save your money. Play for one of the rec teams in area.

Breakers has two 2023 teams - AAA and A divisions in HoCo and both made the playoffs. Top team can beat top FCA and Looneys teams and the second team at least played in an appropriate bracket unlike FCA and Looneys. It’s under $2000 for both teams. Which club is the money grab?

No way Breakers beats FCA or Loonies. Not that Loonies and FCA are that good, but Breakers is just doesn't have the depth to run with them. Part of the issue may be having the "AAA" team practice against the "A" team every day. That's a whole nother level versus what the "Elite" teams face each week. They could be great teams to play on and hopefully their players are happy, but doing well in one division does not mean you can be most of the one above you. Breakers moved up by bringing on the players cut from the better teams as well as some of the top Lax World players when that team folded. Solid, but not great.

Looneys has not greater claim to elite than Breakers. Just calling yiurself that does not make it so. At that Shia sinking so fast. The best players not going to Loyola will leave for Breakers. The best FCA kids not going to Calvert Hall or perfected by BK will leave for Breakers. Breakers 2023 team is three years in the making. They did not even have one after MM blew it up. Looneys has underperformed every year since fifth grade and only had one winning record. It lost every game one year and only won two in two others. And 91 .... everyone knows that sham. Even with a holdback for spring they won a single game. There are only 4 elite teams at 2023, them a major drop.

Do club dues drop for high school?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do club dues drop for high school?

No. HS tournaments cost as much as 3X youth tournaments. We get to keep writing those checks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys has not greater claim to elite than Breakers. Just calling yiurself that does not make it so. At that Shia sinking so fast. The best players not going to Loyola will leave for Breakers. The best FCA kids not going to Calvert Hall or perfected by BK will leave for Breakers. Breakers 2023 team is three years in the making. They did not even have one after MM blew it up. Looneys has underperformed every year since fifth grade and only had one winning record. It lost every game one year and only won two in two others. And 91 .... everyone knows that sham. Even with a holdback for spring they won a single game. There are only 4 elite teams at 2023, them a major drop.

There's also drop from FCA Looneys Next Level to 91 South River, VLC. Breakers would need to start beating those teams before they start picking up kids from Looneys or FCA. Not going to happen playing Aloha events. btw 0-3 at Beach Lax?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do club dues drop for high school?

No. HS tournaments cost as much as 3X youth tournaments. We get to keep writing those checks

Serious question seeking facts and genuine opinion. Of what benefit is high school club lacrosse to a high school freshman on JV who plays a role on club team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys has not greater claim to elite than Breakers.

Silly comment. Looneys top team would crush Breakers. They had a rough HOCO season against the top 3, but there is a big difference athletically between the elite teams (except maybe 91) and most other teams.

Just as a point of comparison, Looneys just went 2-1 in group play at NALL (only loss to Igloo). They then played the Hawks in the first round of the playoffs and outplayed them for much of the game only to lose in overtime. Anyone want to claim that Breakers could play with (and come close to beating) the Hawks?

Team 91 wins Summer Exposure/Hogan over a very talented South River Team
Nice win over good, not great competition. It does show the division between the bottom Elite teams and Top AAA from this past spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 wins Summer Exposure/Hogan over a very talented South River Team
Nice win over good, not great competition. It does show the division between the bottom Elite teams and Top AAA from this past spring.

How many guest players did MM bring in?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 wins Summer Exposure/Hogan over a very talented South River Team
Nice win over good, not great competition. It does show the division between the bottom Elite teams and Top AAA from this past spring.

Not sure what you are referring to here by showing the division between bottom elite and AAA. 91 best SR by 1 goal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do club dues drop for high school?

No. HS tournaments cost as much as 3X youth tournaments. We get to keep writing those checks

Serious question seeking facts and genuine opinion. Of what benefit is high school club lacrosse to a high school freshman on JV who plays a role on club team?

$1500-$2500 is a tough pill to swallow if your kid does not aspire to play NCAA lacrosse. Problem is there aren't great options for summer leagues anymore. It's tough to compete for spots on HS varsity teams (and JV teams at MIAA A schools) without being all-in. HS club teams will have 5-6 practices in fall and play 1-2 tournaments in November. Then about 10 practices and 3-4 summer tournaments in summer. Some might do winter training

Was SR the top AAA team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was SR the top AAA team?

No. VLC beat SR 12-6 in HoCo final.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys has not greater claim to elite than Breakers.

Silly comment. Looneys top team would crush Breakers. They had a rough HOCO season against the top 3, but there is a big difference athletically between the elite teams (except maybe 91) and most other teams.

Just as a point of comparison, Looneys just went 2-1 in group play at NALL (only loss to Igloo). They then played the Hawks in the first round of the playoffs and outplayed them for much of the game only to lose in overtime. Anyone want to claim that Breakers could play with (and come close to beating) the Hawks?

Did the Loyola coach takeover for this tournament?

No he is not coaching until next year. Breakers is not on the same level at all as any of the clubs that played in the HOCO elite division or play in the top tournaments. They do not have any players that could make any of those teams either which is why they also will not be attracting any players from those clubs to join them unless those players are not able to make the top team on one of those clubs. They are an overpriced rec team like many of the other clubs. If you look at HOCO, there were like 35-40 teams and maybe 10 are actual clubs. The rest are just stealing from families and playing rec competition and providing rec development and instruction.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No he is not coaching until next year. Breakers is not on the same level at all as any of the clubs that played in the HOCO elite division or play in the top tournaments. They do not have any players that could make any of those teams either which is why they also will not be attracting any players from those clubs to join them unless those players are not able to make the top team on one of those clubs. They are an overpriced rec team like many of the other clubs. If you look at HOCO, there were like 35-40 teams and maybe 10 are actual clubs. The rest are just stealing from families and playing rec competition and providing rec development and instruction.

Are Looneys, FCA, and clubs elite with a second team in a lower division also stealing?

It’s also fraud to misrepresent your team as elite when you clearly don’t belong there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No he is not coaching until next year. Breakers is not on the same level at all as any of the clubs that played in the HOCO elite division or play in the top tournaments. They do not have any players that could make any of those teams either which is why they also will not be attracting any players from those clubs to join them unless those players are not able to make the top team on one of those clubs. They are an overpriced rec team like many of the other clubs. If you look at HOCO, there were like 35-40 teams and maybe 10 are actual clubs. The rest are just stealing from families and playing rec competition and providing rec development and instruction.

I just checked 45 teams at 2023. This statement is accurate. But, it is time to move on. There is no longer such a thing as "Elite" what really matters is the type of events a club plays in. However, I am not one to care about the finances of another. $1500 to $2500 does not seem like a lot of money to the demographic of club lacrosse. What is that one less ski trip a winter? Kids paying 35K+ to attend a private HS primarily for lacrosse or paying 65K less a litte lacrosse discount at a private college is the money grab. It is accurate IMHO that 10 teams in the mid-atlantic can play and show well at the top events. A team that gets blown out by 10 goals is not helping either team or the players showcase to coaches. 4-5 teams at the top are better than the lower 4-5 teams. There are maybe 4-5 in the Philly area 5-6 in LI 10 in all of NY, NJ area, 4-5 in NE and 1-2 in each of the major southern and western markets that can play and do well in the top events. With all of that, Breakers are not one of those teams.

What has happen to the 2023 Hawks?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What has happen to the 2023 Hawks?

What do you mean? Looks like they went 5-1 this weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What has happen to the 2023 Hawks?

What do you mean? Looks like they went 5-1 this weekend?

Once you get to the elite level of lacrosse it's all about Championships. Beating up on some cupcake teams and OT against Looneys…… You can't be happy with that? Can you? How many championships have Hawks won this season 2018-2019?

very close games for hawks which isn't their usual showing; they generally crush; they were missing their faceoff guy - looneys gave them a scare forcing OT

Originally Posted by Anonymous

very close games for hawks which isn't their usual showing; they generally crush; they were missing their faceoff guy - looneys gave them a scare forcing OT

Brotherly Love is no cupcake team

You Baltimore guys are fools. Crabs is the only elite team. Both Looneys teams, both FCA teams, and 91 Md are lousy. All five teams with losing records.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What has happen to the 2023 Hawks?

What do you mean? Looks like they went 5-1 this weekend?

Once you get to the elite level of lacrosse it's all about Championships. Beating up on some cupcake teams and OT against Looneys…… You can't be happy with that? Can you? How many championships have Hawks won this season 2018-2019?

No it's not. You are an stunad..... No one cares about 8th grade summer lacrosse.... No one will remember what championships you won and how many t-shirts and hats you received..... This must be a Crabs parent who has been drinking the Kool-Aid for a while and have been winning lots of championships with a team full of Hold-backs..... Enjoy pumping your chest out....Next year no one cares and your kid probably won't play....Nice job on riding the coat tails of a few hold back kids....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

very close games for hawks which isn't their usual showing; they generally crush; they were missing their faceoff guy - looneys gave them a scare forcing OT

Brotherly Love is no cupcake team

Brotherly Love is the best greater Philly area team - and the only "elite" level team around. So it attracts a really good group of players.

Hawks only loss the entire weekend was in the Championship game against DC Dogs. And man, did the Dogs look good throughout the tournament. The only game that was close for them was the Edge game - primarily because the Edge team has a very good (and different) Canadian style offense that gave the Dogs a bit of a challenge.

All in all, I think the Hawks had a good weekend - and the "scare" against Looneys was more about Looneys kids playing better and with more energy than it was about Hawks playing poorly. As for the missing FOGO, it wasn't like the Hawks used some random backup - they got a guest player from LI who looked pretty good from what I saw.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

very close games for hawks which isn't their usual showing; they generally crush; they were missing their faceoff guy - looneys gave them a scare forcing OT

Brotherly Love is no cupcake team

Brotherly Love is the best greater Philly area team - and the only "elite" level team around. So it attracts a really good group of players.

Hawks only loss the entire weekend was in the Championship game against DC Dogs. And man, did the Dogs look good throughout the tournament. The only game that was close for them was the Edge game - primarily because the Edge team has a very good (and different) Canadian style offense that gave the Dogs a bit of a challenge.

All in all, I think the Hawks had a good weekend - and the "scare" against Looneys was more about Looneys kids playing better and with more energy than it was about Hawks playing poorly. As for the missing FOGO, it wasn't like the Hawks used some random backup - they got a guest player from LI who looked pretty good from what I saw.

Yea the fogo was from 91 bandits and extremely good probably better than there normal fogo so that is no excuse

Looneys has a tough line up this weekend

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys has a tough line up this weekend

Maybe yelling louder at the same 10 kids will finally get it done for them this week. I'm sure the close game against Hawks gave them confidence that they are on the right track.

Did Loon pick up new players?
Always lots of moves after spring league, players go and come

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys has a tough line up this weekend

Maybe yelling louder at the same 10 kids will finally get it done for them this week. I'm sure the close game against Hawks gave them confidence that they are on the right track.

Sounds like a disgruntled parent. My kid has been on the team for a few years and I believe he has received great instruction. They always compete and your yelling comment is off base. If you are unhappy, you should find a different club instead of posting about it. Maybe Breakers or Greene Turtle

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys has a tough line up this weekend

😂😂😂 ^^^ instead of crab feast, the “elite” looneys is playing in PA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys has a tough line up this weekend

Maybe yelling louder at the same 10 kids will finally get it done for them this week. I'm sure the close game against Hawks gave them confidence that they are on the right track.

Sounds like a disgruntled parent. My kid has been on the team for a few years and I believe he has received great instruction. They always compete and your yelling comment is off base. If you are unhappy, you should find a different club instead of posting about it. Maybe Breakers or Greene Turtle

Or maybe the club can make changes to improve after underperforming for three years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys has a tough line up this weekend

😂😂😂 ^^^ instead of crab feast, the “elite” looneys is playing in PA

Hey don’t knock it. Another elite team will be there in PA - 91 Maryland. This will crown the true elite champ.

Why should anyone play in crabfeast when you are simply supporting a competitive club organisation. Your dues cover the expenses of a team you are trying to beat. A club that most people hate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did Loon pick up new players?
Always lots of moves after spring league, players go and come

No. same roster

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys has a tough line up this weekend

😂😂😂 ^^^ instead of crab feast, the “elite” looneys is playing in PA

Hey don’t knock it. Another elite team will be there in PA - 91 Maryland. This will crown the true elite champ.

Where are Breakers playing?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did Loon pick up new players?

Not even one. Same roster since last Fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys has a tough line up this weekend

😂😂😂 ^^^ instead of crab feast, the “elite” looneys is playing in PA

Hey don’t knock it. Another elite team will be there in PA - 91 Maryland. This will crown the true elite champ.

Crabs owner won't let any 91 teams and most Looneys teams in crabfeast regardless of whether they are "elite". He makes exception for Looneys 2020 since they are good enough to bring in college coaches based on their presence. I bet you're the same poster that knocks these teams for playing in Hoco elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did Loon pick up new players?

Not even one. Same roster since last Fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why should anyone play in crabfeast when you are simply supporting a competitive club organisation. Your dues cover the expenses of a team you are trying to beat. A club that most people hate.

One reason would be to play competitive teams for exposure and to be challenged, not Zingos A like Looneys will play. Good use of dues. But hey, you don’t have to play the hated Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But hey, you don’t have to play the hated Crabs.

Not having to listen to a morbidly obese middle age man scream at 14 (well 15 and 16) year old boys is always a good thing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys has a tough line up this weekend

😂😂😂 ^^^ instead of crab feast, the “elite” looneys is playing in PA

Hey don’t knock it. Another elite team will be there in PA - 91 Maryland. This will crown the true elite champ.

Crabs owner won't let any 91 teams and most Looneys teams in crabfeast regardless of whether they are "elite". He makes exception for Looneys 2020 since they are good enough to bring in college coaches based on their presence. I bet you're the same poster that knocks these teams for playing in Hoco elite.

Looneys 2023 played at Crabfeast last year.

Crabs plays Alcatraz, Rebels and Team 91 Cannons. hahahaha.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Why should anyone play in crabfeast when you are simply supporting a competitive club organisation. Your dues cover the expenses of a team you are trying to beat. A club that most people hate.

As mentioned above Crabs makes decisions on who gets in based on his own agenda. The Looneys coach prefers to play local. If they were welcome in crab tournament they would likely be there. They played in NAL and will be in Millon, both with high level comp. You never know who might be in a tournament when you sign up 7-8 months in advance. Last year some pretty good philly teams were in Meltdown - Brotherly Love and Freedom. What's your agenda other than to bash?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's your agenda other than to bash?

Hoping a lot of Looneys kids decide to play (pay) Breakers next year, maybe?

What do FCA, Looneys, Breakers charge for season dues?

Is Looneys playing in the Naptown Challenge?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why should anyone play in crabfeast when you are simply supporting a competitive club organisation. Your dues cover the expenses of a team you are trying to beat. A club that most people hate.

Still cant get over your son not making the Crabs. HIT THE WALL !!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why should anyone play in crabfeast when you are simply supporting a competitive club organisation. Your dues cover the expenses of a team you are trying to beat. A club that most people hate.

Still cant get over your son not making the Crabs. HIT THE WALL !!!

Just to be clear my son has never tried out for the Crabs because he is on age. Not a knock on Crabs but we are not willing to reclass for lacrosse opportunities. More power to the 7 Crabs players who will turn 16 before August 1st.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why should anyone play in crabfeast when you are simply supporting a competitive club organisation. Your dues cover the expenses of a team you are trying to beat. A club that most people hate.

Still cant get over your son not making the Crabs. HIT THE WALL !!!

Just to be clear my son has never tried out for the Crabs because he is on age. Not a knock on Crabs but we are not willing to reclass for lacrosse opportunities. More power to the 7 Crabs players who will turn 16 before August 1st.

Didnt help them last week against 91....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What do FCA, Looneys, Breakers charge for season dues?

Looneys was $1,300 which included the PSL Winter box league.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Looneys playing in the Naptown Challenge?

Nope. Season is over after the MM "2023 Championship" the weekend after next.

A good number of the Looneys kids play for True or Dukes "National" teams that will be competing at Naptown.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Looneys playing in the Naptown Challenge?

Nope. Season is over after the MM "2023 Championship" the weekend after next.

A good number of the Looneys kids play for True or Dukes "National" teams that will be competing at Naptown.

True National does not have a team at Naptown unless they are playing as TBA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys has a tough line up this weekend

😂😂😂 ^^^ instead of crab feast, the “elite” looneys is playing in PA

Hey don’t knock it. Another elite team will be there in PA - 91 Maryland. This will crown the true elite champ.

Crabs owner won't let any 91 teams and most Looneys teams in crabfeast regardless of whether they are "elite". He makes exception for Looneys 2020 since they are good enough to bring in college coaches based on their presence. I bet you're the same poster that knocks these teams for playing in Hoco elite.

Looneys 2023 played at Crabfeast last year.

They played Young Guns. He takes any AA or A team in that

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys has a tough line up this weekend

😂😂😂 ^^^ instead of crab feast, the “elite” looneys is playing in PA

Hey don’t knock it. Another elite team will be there in PA - 91 Maryland. This will crown the true elite champ.

Crabs owner won't let any 91 teams and most Looneys teams in crabfeast regardless of whether they are "elite". He makes exception for Looneys 2020 since they are good enough to bring in college coaches based on their presence. I bet you're the same poster that knocks these teams for playing in Hoco elite.

Looneys 2023 played at Crabfeast last year.

They played Young Guns. He takes any AA or A team in that

After reading the posts on this forum it is very clear who is writing them: Beside the obvious ridicule about the weight of the Crabs coach, no one has posted anything about their loss in the tournament 2 weeks ago! Somehow Looneys who is no competition for the Crabs is being bashed for not being an Elite team or being invite to play in a tournament this weekend. As far as I know, they do not claim to be number one. The line up for Crab Feast however is hardly what I call an elite group of Club Teams. It will come down to Crabs or Hawks.
This brings me to my point...the So called Elite, number 1, best club team around added two kids from Hawks and two kids from IMG to their roster for their first tournament..,, and LOST!!!! This is nowhere to be found on this forum! Hmmmm! How do you lose with that roster, how do you lose?!
“Crabs may not be for everyone, but it might be perfect for you if....
You don’t mind sitting the bench during summer tournaments, while ringers are brought in to take your spot and you still lose!
You are told you are the number one team but in reality stats show you are 7 or maybe 9 now with your previous loss!
You are ok when the lacrosse community laughs at you because you added al of those kids to your roster and you still LOST!!! Yet walk around as if you are number one!
If you are ok with not being able to play with other teams but other kids can
If you confuse loyalty and commitment to Crabs with conformity to their way or no way
When you compromise your integrity for youth sports
Crabs may be perfect for you! Good luck this weekend... you won’t need it, you have no competition!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Why should anyone play in crabfeast when you are simply supporting a competitive club organisation. Your dues cover the expenses of a team you are trying to beat. A club that most people hate.

As mentioned above Crabs makes decisions on who gets in based on his own agenda. The Looneys coach prefers to play local. If they were welcome in crab tournament they would likely be there. They played in NAL and will be in Millon, both with high level comp. You never know who might be in a tournament when you sign up 7-8 months in advance. Last year some pretty good philly teams were in Meltdown - Brotherly Love and Freedom. What's your agenda other than to bash?

The Millon tournament also has Saltwater and PLC

After reading the posts on this forum it is very clear who is writing them: Beside the obvious ridicule about the weight of the Crabs coach, no one has posted anything about their loss in the tournament 2 weeks ago! Somehow Looneys who is no competition for the Crabs is being bashed for not being an Elite team or being invite to play in a tournament this weekend. As far as I know, they do not claim to be number one. The line up for Crab Feast however is hardly what I call an elite group of Club Teams. It will come down to Crabs or Hawks.
This brings me to my point...the So called Elite, number 1, best club team around added two kids from Hawks and two kids from IMG to their roster for their first tournament..,, and LOST!!!! This is nowhere to be found on this forum! Hmmmm! How do you lose with that roster, how do you lose?!
“Crabs may not be for everyone, but it might be perfect for you if....
You don’t mind sitting the bench during summer tournaments, while ringers are brought in to take your spot and you still lose!
You are told you are the number one team but in reality stats show you are 7 or maybe 9 now with your previous loss!
You are ok when the lacrosse community laughs at you because you added al of those kids to your roster and you still LOST!!! Yet walk around as if you are number one!
If you are ok with not being able to play with other teams but other kids can
If you confuse loyalty and commitment to Crabs with conformity to their way or no way
When you compromise your integrity for youth sports
Crabs may be perfect for you! Good luck this weekend... you won’t need it, you have no competition!

[/quote]
I am not a Crab dad but you comment lacks credibility when you claim no competition at Crab Feast. Other than NLF championship this is the best of the summer. Edge, LE (beat Hawks), Freedom, BL, 4H (beat Crabs), 3dNE, Mesa could all play HOCO Elite and add Hawks and FCA and West coast teams always surprise. This event is the best one this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After reading the posts on this forum it is very clear who is writing them: Beside the obvious ridicule about the weight of the Crabs coach, no one has posted anything about their loss in the tournament 2 weeks ago! Somehow Looneys who is no competition for the Crabs is being bashed for not being an Elite team or being invite to play in a tournament this weekend. As far as I know, they do not claim to be number one. The line up for Crab Feast however is hardly what I call an elite group of Club Teams. It will come down to Crabs or Hawks.
This brings me to my point...the So called Elite, number 1, best club team around added two kids from Hawks and two kids from IMG to their roster for their first tournament..,, and LOST!!!! This is nowhere to be found on this forum! Hmmmm! How do you lose with that roster, how do you lose?!
“Crabs may not be for everyone, but it might be perfect for you if....
You don’t mind sitting the bench during summer tournaments, while ringers are brought in to take your spot and you still lose!
You are told you are the number one team but in reality stats show you are 7 or maybe 9 now with your previous loss!
You are ok when the lacrosse community laughs at you because you added al of those kids to your roster and you still LOST!!! Yet walk around as if you are number one!
If you are ok with not being able to play with other teams but other kids can
If you confuse loyalty and commitment to Crabs with conformity to their way or no way
When you compromise your integrity for youth sports
Crabs may be perfect for you! Good luck this weekend... you won’t need it, you have no competition!

I am not a Crab dad but you comment lacks credibility when you claim no competition at Crab Feast. Other than NLF championship this is the best of the summer. Edge, LE (beat Hawks), Freedom, BL, 4H (beat Crabs), 3dNE, Mesa could all play HOCO Elite and add Hawks and FCA and West coast teams always surprise. This event is the best one this weekend.[/quote]

It’s an anonymous forum; every post lacks credibility!

Kind of a crazy comment because so many club organizations are also Tournament organizations. Hogan/Hawks, Millon/91, Aloha/Breakers, Crabs/Crabfest... Last week Hogan had probably their biggest tournament and Hawks 2023 played in NAL instead of Summer Exposure I guess for better competition. You play where the competition is and where you want to be geographically.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After reading the posts on this forum it is very clear who is writing them: Beside the obvious ridicule about the weight of the Crabs coach, no one has posted anything about their loss in the tournament 2 weeks ago! Somehow Looneys who is no competition for the Crabs is being bashed for not being an Elite team or being invite to play in a tournament this weekend. As far as I know, they do not claim to be number one. The line up for Crab Feast however is hardly what I call an elite group of Club Teams. It will come down to Crabs or Hawks.
This brings me to my point...the So called Elite, number 1, best club team around added two kids from Hawks and two kids from IMG to their roster for their first tournament..,, and LOST!!!! This is nowhere to be found on this forum! Hmmmm! How do you lose with that roster, how do you lose?!
“Crabs may not be for everyone, but it might be perfect for you if....
You don’t mind sitting the bench during summer tournaments, while ringers are brought in to take your spot and you still lose!
You are told you are the number one team but in reality stats show you are 7 or maybe 9 now with your previous loss!
You are ok when the lacrosse community laughs at you because you added al of those kids to your roster and you still LOST!!! Yet walk around as if you are number one!
If you are ok with not being able to play with other teams but other kids can
If you confuse loyalty and commitment to Crabs with conformity to their way or no way
When you compromise your integrity for youth sports
Crabs may be perfect for you! Good luck this weekend... you won’t need it, you have no competition!

I am not a Crab dad but you comment lacks credibility when you claim no competition at Crab Feast. Other than NLF championship this is the best of the summer. Edge, LE (beat Hawks), Freedom, BL, 4H (beat Crabs), 3dNE, Mesa could all play HOCO Elite and add Hawks and FCA and West coast teams always surprise. This event is the best one this weekend.

It’s an anonymous forum; every post lacks credibility!
[/quote]

Amen. This forum is a lesson is what's wrong with youth sports today and club lacrosse in particular. A bunch of annonomous "adults" arguing over who have the "best" team, who has the most holdbacks, who have the best/worst coach, etc... like it any of it matters. The only things that matter in this regard are 1)is your son having fun playing lacrosse 2)is he getting better 3)are you happy with the team he's on and the way the team is managed. There are players on every team that can answer "yes" to all 3 and others who can't. Find the right fit and play ball and forget about the adults who are trying to relive the glory days of their youth (and it was probably not all that glorious to begin with)

Amen. This forum is a lesson is what's wrong with youth sports today and club lacrosse in particular. A bunch of annonomous "adults" arguing over who have the "best" team, who has the most holdbacks, who have the best/worst coach, etc... like it any of it matters. The only things that matter in this regard are 1)is your son having fun playing lacrosse 2)is he getting better 3)are you happy with the team he's on and the way the team is managed. There are players on every team that can answer "yes" to all 3 and others who can't. Find the right fit and play ball and forget about the adults who are trying to relive the glory days of their youth (and it was probably not all that glorious to begin with)[/quote]

So why are you on here?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After reading the posts on this forum it is very clear who is writing them: Beside the obvious ridicule about the weight of the Crabs coach, no one has posted anything about their loss in the tournament 2 weeks ago! Somehow Looneys who is no competition for the Crabs is being bashed for not being an Elite team or being invite to play in a tournament this weekend. As far as I know, they do not claim to be number one. The line up for Crab Feast however is hardly what I call an elite group of Club Teams. It will come down to Crabs or Hawks.
This brings me to my point...the So called Elite, number 1, best club team around added two kids from Hawks and two kids from IMG to their roster for their first tournament..,, and LOST!!!! This is nowhere to be found on this forum! Hmmmm! How do you lose with that roster, how do you lose?!
“Crabs may not be for everyone, but it might be perfect for you if....
You don’t mind sitting the bench during summer tournaments, while ringers are brought in to take your spot and you still lose!
You are told you are the number one team but in reality stats show you are 7 or maybe 9 now with your previous loss!
You are ok when the lacrosse community laughs at you because you added al of those kids to your roster and you still LOST!!! Yet walk around as if you are number one!
If you are ok with not being able to play with other teams but other kids can
If you confuse loyalty and commitment to Crabs with conformity to their way or no way
When you compromise your integrity for youth sports
Crabs may be perfect for you! Good luck this weekend... you won’t need it, you have no competition!

I am not a Crab dad but you comment lacks credibility when you claim no competition at Crab Feast. Other than NLF championship this is the best of the summer. Edge, LE (beat Hawks), Freedom, BL, 4H (beat Crabs), 3dNE, Mesa could all play HOCO Elite and add Hawks and FCA and West coast teams always surprise. This event is the best one this weekend.

It’s an anonymous forum; every post lacks credibility!

Amen. This forum is a lesson is what's wrong with youth sports today and club lacrosse in particular. A bunch of annonomous "adults" arguing over who have the "best" team, who has the most holdbacks, who have the best/worst coach, etc... like it any of it matters. The only things that matter in this regard are 1)is your son having fun playing lacrosse 2)is he getting better 3)are you happy with the team he's on and the way the team is managed. There are players on every team that can answer "yes" to all 3 and others who can't. Find the right fit and play ball and forget about the adults who are trying to relive the glory days of their youth (and it was probably not all that glorious to begin with)[/quote]

Could not be more on point with that post...unfortunately, the madness will continue. Too many folks think that their two cents about another club's players, schedule, win/losses is so important. As you said, worry about you own kid and enjoy watching them play.

"Could not be more on point with that post...unfortunately, the madness will continue. Too many folks think that their two cents about another club's players, schedule, win/losses is so important. As you said, worry about you own kid and enjoy watching them play."

Where is the fun in that? Without the trash talking, this site would have zero posts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After reading the posts on this forum it is very clear who is writing them: Beside the obvious ridicule about the weight of the Crabs coach, no one has posted anything about their loss in the tournament 2 weeks ago! Somehow Looneys who is no competition for the Crabs is being bashed for not being an Elite team or being invite to play in a tournament this weekend. As far as I know, they do not claim to be number one. The line up for Crab Feast however is hardly what I call an elite group of Club Teams. It will come down to Crabs or Hawks.
This brings me to my point...the So called Elite, number 1, best club team around added two kids from Hawks and two kids from IMG to their roster for their first tournament..,, and LOST!!!! This is nowhere to be found on this forum! Hmmmm! How do you lose with that roster, how do you lose?!
“Crabs may not be for everyone, but it might be perfect for you if....
You don’t mind sitting the bench during summer tournaments, while ringers are brought in to take your spot and you still lose!
You are told you are the number one team but in reality stats show you are 7 or maybe 9 now with your previous loss!
You are ok when the lacrosse community laughs at you because you added al of those kids to your roster and you still LOST!!! Yet walk around as if you are number one!
If you are ok with not being able to play with other teams but other kids can
If you confuse loyalty and commitment to Crabs with conformity to their way or no way
When you compromise your integrity for youth sports
Crabs may be perfect for you! Good luck this weekend... you won’t need it, you have no competition!

I am not a Crab dad but you comment lacks credibility when you claim no competition at Crab Feast. Other than NLF championship this is the best of the summer. Edge, LE (beat Hawks), Freedom, BL, 4H (beat Crabs), 3dNE, Mesa could all play HOCO Elite and add Hawks and FCA and West coast teams always surprise. This event is the best one this weekend.

It’s an anonymous forum; every post lacks credibility!
[/quote]

It is quite funny how the Crabs being held with all that offensive power to three goals was not mentioned here, or the fact they were best by 5 in that game against a young LI team. Strange how that works. Take all the top Maryland players from our team nad others and get out coached and out played in a championship game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After reading the posts on this forum it is very clear who is writing them: Beside the obvious ridicule about the weight of the Crabs coach, no one has posted anything about their loss in the tournament 2 weeks ago! Somehow Looneys who is no competition for the Crabs is being bashed for not being an Elite team or being invite to play in a tournament this weekend. As far as I know, they do not claim to be number one. The line up for Crab Feast however is hardly what I call an elite group of Club Teams. It will come down to Crabs or Hawks.
This brings me to my point...the So called Elite, number 1, best club team around added two kids from Hawks and two kids from IMG to their roster for their first tournament..,, and LOST!!!! This is nowhere to be found on this forum! Hmmmm! How do you lose with that roster, how do you lose?!
“Crabs may not be for everyone, but it might be perfect for you if....
You don’t mind sitting the bench during summer tournaments, while ringers are brought in to take your spot and you still lose!
You are told you are the number one team but in reality stats show you are 7 or maybe 9 now with your previous loss!
You are ok when the lacrosse community laughs at you because you added al of those kids to your roster and you still LOST!!! Yet walk around as if you are number one!
If you are ok with not being able to play with other teams but other kids can
If you confuse loyalty and commitment to Crabs with conformity to their way or no way
When you compromise your integrity for youth sports
Crabs may be perfect for you! Good luck this weekend... you won’t need it, you have no competition!

I am not a Crab dad but you comment lacks credibility when you claim no competition at Crab Feast. Other than NLF championship this is the best of the summer. Edge, LE (beat Hawks), Freedom, BL, 4H (beat Crabs), 3dNE, Mesa could all play HOCO Elite and add Hawks and FCA and West coast teams always surprise. This event is the best one this weekend.

It’s an anonymous forum; every post lacks credibility!

It is quite funny how the Crabs being held with all that offensive power to three goals was not mentioned here, or the fact they were best by 5 in that game against a young LI team. Strange how that works. Take all the top Maryland players from our team nad others and get out coached and out played in a championship game [/quote]

Which teams did they take top talent from?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

None of the Hawks would want to play for Crabs... here’s some food for thought apparently some of the Hawks kids were on this forum the past few days and find it pretty funny/pathetic how the adults are so immature. And I quote “their kids need to teach dad about responsible social media”

Hahaha!!!! Two hawks players are playing with them now!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, Hawks attackman #9 and defensemen #11 could beat out the kids on crabs

Are these the two that are jumping ship. Sounds like the hawks will look very different next year.........

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look the crabs are on a whole other level, they’re not elite they’re above that. The hawks played a great game. They’re just not at the crabs level. From top to bottom the crabs have the best players. Their weakest link is there goalie play. The crabs came out slow and brought the boom in the second half. I would hate to see what they’re capable of if they played 100% from beginning to end. The Hawks might not even beat FCA!!!

Not a single kid from the Hawks would even make the Crabs team. Crabs!!!

You can add DC Dogs to this now. Crabs and DC Dogs are on top. Hawks will not win a tourney this year![/quote]

Playing time? My son plays on one of the top DC area teams. He comes off the bench. Playing time has been reduced - now he basically he gets one run a quarter which can be really short depending on flow of game. He’s frustrated and unhappy. Curious as to how much nonstarters play on other clubs. Worth switching teams or likely to be worse? Better to move to a weaker club where he’s a “go-to” player?

Playing time? My son plays for a top DC area team. He comes off the bench. His playing time has been significantly reduced. He basically gets one run a quarter which can be really short depending on the flow of the game. He’s frustrated and unhappy. Curious as to how much time other clubs give to non-starters. Worth switching teams? Better to move to a lower caliber team where he’s a “go-to” player?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Playing time? My son plays for a top DC area team. He comes off the bench. His playing time has been significantly reduced. He basically gets one run a quarter which can be really short depending on the flow of the game. He’s frustrated and unhappy. Curious as to how much time other clubs give to non-starters. Worth switching teams? Better to move to a lower caliber team where he’s a “go-to” player?

I would ask your son rather than pay any attention to a post here. Does your son enjoy the team? Maybe he get's reps at practice. Is he getting better? Does he have HS ties to the team? Is there a team he may like better? At a minimum I would be attending multiple try outs in August. However to answer your question, most teams do play a wider number of players later in HS. This is especially true for the top teams that get double digit college recruits. In HS a parent should not complain about playing time it is earned. However club is a different story. Speak with the coach. If later on a college is interested in your son and attending a tournament, be sure to let the coaches know. He should get more run in that game. If you do not get good answers from the coach leave and pick a different team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Playing time? My son plays for a top DC area team. He comes off the bench. His playing time has been significantly reduced. He basically gets one run a quarter which can be really short depending on the flow of the game. He’s frustrated and unhappy. Curious as to how much time other clubs give to non-starters. Worth switching teams? Better to move to a lower caliber team where he’s a “go-to” player?

It’s really tough to say. Unfortunately some of these teams Know that kids that they pick up won’t play but parents are willing to spend the money for the prestige of being on these top teams. You have to be very careful and honest with yourself and your son about his skill level. These teams love their cash cows. Then you add the fact that politics come into play and parent influences.

The crabs do a great job of developing their players. Once you reach middle school they prepare you for high school ball. They practice a ton and develop you. When it comes to playing time they give your kid every opportunity to prove yourself if you don’t then you don’t play.The big crab has no pity for anybody but you will get your opportunities. And the closer you get to eighth grade if you are not locked into one of the local high schools then you can kiss yourself goodbye.

The Hawks do a really good job of evaluating players in there tryouts. If you make the hawks you know you were one of the best players on the field. Cash cows are a rarity on their first teams. Unless of course players decline offers and they go down the list. But once Hogan releases you to your teams it’s a crapshoot. I hear that team has tons of outside influences primarily the parents. The parents have made that team toxic and you will see it next year most of those players will be off to other teams.

DC dogs. As you already know all they care about is winning. That coach has something to prove and he would do anything and everything to prove it. And unfortunately his practices really do not allow you to develop because he is to focus on the winning and preparing his top lines. Too much to prove.

Hope this helps!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Amen. This forum is a lesson is what's wrong with youth sports today and club lacrosse in particular. A bunch of annonomous "adults" arguing over who have the "best" team, who has the most holdbacks, who have the best/worst coach, etc... like it any of it matters. The only things that matter in this regard are 1)is your son having fun playing lacrosse 2)is he getting better 3)are you happy with the team he's on and the way the team is managed. There are players on every team that can answer "yes" to all 3 and others who can't. Find the right fit and play ball and forget about the adults who are trying to relive the glory days of their youth (and it was probably not all that glorious to begin with)

So why are you on here? [/quote]

I can answer that.

What is really interesting to parents with older High School players is the lack of chatter as they get older. I miss the good ole days of 8th grade lacrosse when I had to be on top team . Notice how I said I !!

Look at the 10th. 11th grade threads...Complete Boredom ! Even 9th grade is limited ... I come here for my dose of humor as I watch who is better, what club is terrible/best . Frankly every year it is almost the same enlightening chatter in the 6-8th grade threads. Well done this year I must say !

My days of living thru my younger boys and their friends are over , now my last one is his own person, and him and his HS teammates now laugh about the stunads we parents were just a couple years ago. So my advice is enjoy this total delusional point about who is best/worst/holdbacks/etc/etc and all the other glorious things to argue about....... It wont last long and will be completely gone by beginning of 10th grade.

But luckily for all of us with older players, every year there is a new group coming in to entertain.

Crabs, Hawks, Dogs are all the same. Accumulate talent...zero development...then charge high fees.
You have never been to one of these teams' practices. They are laughable from day one to day 100.
The most important thing at:
Crabs- take the best players from other clubs after they repeat, charge different amounts for different kids- some pay $500 while others $2000. Less than 50% of their starters were on the team in 6th grade.
Hawks- Your last name and private school are most important, they have cut the core of this team over the last two years
Dogs- Come' on, they are the most honest organization. The backup goalie doesn't even put a helmet on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Amen. This forum is a lesson is what's wrong with youth sports today and club lacrosse in particular. A bunch of annonomous "adults" arguing over who have the "best" team, who has the most holdbacks, who have the best/worst coach, etc... like it any of it matters. The only things that matter in this regard are 1)is your son having fun playing lacrosse 2)is he getting better 3)are you happy with the team he's on and the way the team is managed. There are players on every team that can answer "yes" to all 3 and others who can't. Find the right fit and play ball and forget about the adults who are trying to relive the glory days of their youth (and it was probably not all that glorious to begin with)

So why are you on here?

I can answer that.

What is really interesting to parents with older High School players is the lack of chatter as they get older. I miss the good ole days of 8th grade lacrosse when I had to be on top team . Notice how I said I !!

Look at the 10th. 11th grade threads...Complete Boredom ! Even 9th grade is limited ... I come here for my dose of humor as I watch who is better, what club is terrible/best . Frankly every year it is almost the same enlightening chatter in the 6-8th grade threads. Well done this year I must say !

My days of living thru my younger boys and their friends are over , now my last one is his own person, and him and his HS teammates now laugh about the stunads we parents were just a couple years ago. So my advice is enjoy this total delusional point about who is best/worst/holdbacks/etc/etc and all the other glorious things to argue about....... It wont last long and will be completely gone by beginning of 10th grade.

But luckily for all of us with older players, every year there is a new group coming in to entertain.

[/quote]

Are you the guy in the white van with tinted windows handing out candy at HoCo games?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After reading the posts on this forum it is very clear who is writing them: Beside the obvious ridicule about the weight of the Crabs coach, no one has posted anything about their loss in the tournament 2 weeks ago! Somehow Looneys who is no competition for the Crabs is being bashed for not being an Elite team or being invite to play in a tournament this weekend. As far as I know, they do not claim to be number one. The line up for Crab Feast however is hardly what I call an elite group of Club Teams. It will come down to Crabs or Hawks.
This brings me to my point...the So called Elite, number 1, best club team around added two kids from Hawks and two kids from IMG to their roster for their first tournament..,, and LOST!!!! This is nowhere to be found on this forum! Hmmmm! How do you lose with that roster, how do you lose?!
“Crabs may not be for everyone, but it might be perfect for you if....
You don’t mind sitting the bench during summer tournaments, while ringers are brought in to take your spot and you still lose!
You are told you are the number one team but in reality stats show you are 7 or maybe 9 now with your previous loss!
You are ok when the lacrosse community laughs at you because you added al of those kids to your roster and you still LOST!!! Yet walk around as if you are number one!
If you are ok with not being able to play with other teams but other kids can
If you confuse loyalty and commitment to Crabs with conformity to their way or no way
When you compromise your integrity for youth sports
Crabs may be perfect for you! Good luck this weekend... you won’t need it, you have no competition!

I am not a Crab dad but you comment lacks credibility when you claim no competition at Crab Feast. Other than NLF championship this is the best of the summer. Edge, LE (beat Hawks), Freedom, BL, 4H (beat Crabs), 3dNE, Mesa could all play HOCO Elite and add Hawks and FCA and West coast teams always surprise. This event is the best one this weekend.

It’s an anonymous forum; every post lacks credibility!

It is quite funny how the Crabs being held with all that offensive power to three goals was not mentioned here, or the fact they were best by 5 in that game against a young LI team. Strange how that works. Take all the top Maryland players from our team nad others and get out coached and out played in a championship game [/quote]

Totally different and lighter subject....all of a sudden Green Turtle has a revived 2023 team? Tryouts invite only, come on. Did they take over another team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Totally different and lighter subject....all of a sudden Green Turtle has a revived 2023 team? Tryouts invite only, come on. Did they take over another team?

Right. More like want a 2023 team, embarrassed to have another open tryout that no one attends. By invites they can try to put together a team in the shadows. Who would do that going into 9th grade unless the infamous dad coach who burns bridges has landed there!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Amen. This forum is a lesson is what's wrong with youth sports today and club lacrosse in particular. A bunch of annonomous "adults" arguing over who have the "best" team, who has the most holdbacks, who have the best/worst coach, etc... like it any of it matters. The only things that matter in this regard are 1)is your son having fun playing lacrosse 2)is he getting better 3)are you happy with the team he's on and the way the team is managed. There are players on every team that can answer "yes" to all 3 and others who can't. Find the right fit and play ball and forget about the adults who are trying to relive the glory days of their youth (and it was probably not all that glorious to begin with)

So why are you on here?

I can answer that.

What is really interesting to parents with older High School players is the lack of chatter as they get older. I miss the good ole days of 8th grade lacrosse when I had to be on top team . Notice how I said I !!

Look at the 10th. 11th grade threads...Complete Boredom ! Even 9th grade is limited ... I come here for my dose of humor as I watch who is better, what club is terrible/best . Frankly every year it is almost the same enlightening chatter in the 6-8th grade threads. Well done this year I must say !

My days of living thru my younger boys and their friends are over , now my last one is his own person, and him and his HS teammates now laugh about the stunads we parents were just a couple years ago. So my advice is enjoy this total delusional point about who is best/worst/holdbacks/etc/etc and all the other glorious things to argue about....... It wont last long and will be completely gone by beginning of 10th grade.

But luckily for all of us with older players, every year there is a new group coming in to entertain.

Are you the guy in the white van with tinted windows handing out candy at HoCo games?

Easy there ... Is funny tho.

Old lax world coach? Mix of Breakers B, Looney’s B and old lax world players. Dicey going into high school. What tournaments will they get into?? Mediocrity at it’s finest....again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs, Hawks, Dogs are all the same. Accumulate talent...zero development...then charge high fees.
You have never been to one of these teams' practices. They are laughable from day one to day 100.
The most important thing at:
Crabs- take the best players from other clubs after they repeat, charge different amounts for different kids- some pay $500 while others $2000. Less than 50% of their starters were on the team in 6th grade.
Hawks- Your last name and private school are most important, they have cut the core of this team over the last two years
Dogs- Come' on, they are the most honest organization. The backup goalie doesn't even put a helmet on.

Hawks picked up a FOGO from NY, must not liked to sit the bench up there..

Primetime lost to Laxachusetts Black 12-2. Yikes! Shore 2 Shore looked decent this weekend despite two losses to Express Hashemite. Also, seems as though 91 Warriors took a huge leap back as they got blown out in every game. Primetime also beat Igloo by 1. However, Bandits beat Igloo by 10 yesterday. True State Illinois seems like a great team who still are looking to prove themselves. Lot of teams currently in flux seems as though for the teams in the normal NLF circuit, Bandits are first, Crabs are second, and the rest in just a big mess. Feel free to leave your thoughts though. I am just reporting some scores (and a little of my own opinions) from the TriStar Express tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs, Hawks, Dogs are all the same. Accumulate talent...zero development...then charge high fees.
You have never been to one of these teams' practices. They are laughable from day one to day 100.
The most important thing at:
Crabs- take the best players from other clubs after they repeat, charge different amounts for different kids- some pay $500 while others $2000. Less than 50% of their starters were on the team in 6th grade.
Hawks- Your last name and private school are most important, they have cut the core of this team over the last two years
Dogs- Come' on, they are the most honest organization. The backup goalie doesn't even put a helmet on.

Hawks picked up a FOGO from NY, must not liked to sit the bench up there..

And half of True National.... all to beat the crabs. LOve it.

Hawks 8. Crabs 7. Crab feast championship game today.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs, Hawks, Dogs are all the same. Accumulate talent...zero development...then charge high fees.
You have never been to one of these teams' practices. They are laughable from day one to day 100.
The most important thing at:
Crabs- take the best players from other clubs after they repeat, charge different amounts for different kids- some pay $500 while others $2000. Less than 50% of their starters were on the team in 6th grade.
Hawks- Your last name and private school are most important, they have cut the core of this team over the last two years
Dogs- Come' on, they are the most honest organization. The backup goalie doesn't even put a helmet on.

Hawks picked up a FOGO from NY, must not liked to sit the bench up there..

And half of True National.... all to beat the crabs. LOve it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs, Hawks, Dogs are all the same. Accumulate talent...zero development...then charge high fees.
You have never been to one of these teams' practices. They are laughable from day one to day 100.
The most important thing at:
Crabs- take the best players from other clubs after they repeat, charge different amounts for different kids- some pay $500 while others $2000. Less than 50% of their starters were on the team in 6th grade.
Hawks- Your last name and private school are most important, they have cut the core of this team over the last two years
Dogs- Come' on, they are the most honest organization. The backup goalie doesn't even put a helmet on.

Hawks picked up a FOGO from NY, must not liked to sit the bench up there..

And half of True National.... all to beat the crabs. LOve it.

What is awesome is that hawks picked up a fogo after their regular fogo had to take the summer off due to injury. But. Perhaps you didn’t know that because well. You don’t know much. Further. Hawks roster has been the same 17 kids through middle school Fact. Adding kids during tryouts like is normally done. Hawks crabs today was a great game. And. Going in, despite hawks being the number 1 seed, most people would have put money on crabs. As hawks lost to them twice during HOCO. Also of note is all parents of both teams were positive and appropriate on the sidelines. Before. During. And after. Nice bonus.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs, Hawks, Dogs are all the same. Accumulate talent...zero development...then charge high fees.
You have never been to one of these teams' practices. They are laughable from day one to day 100.
The most important thing at:
Crabs- take the best players from other clubs after they repeat, charge different amounts for different kids- some pay $500 while others $2000. Less than 50% of their starters were on the team in 6th grade.
Hawks- Your last name and private school are most important, they have cut the core of this team over the last two years
Dogs- Come' on, they are the most honest organization. The backup goalie doesn't even put a helmet on.

Hawks picked up a FOGO from NY, must not liked to sit the bench up there..

And half of True National.... all to beat the crabs. LOve it.

The only impact player that was picked up was the FOGO. Everybody else is just for depth. Same Hawks out there. Shocked they beat the Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs, Hawks, Dogs are all the same. Accumulate talent...zero development...then charge high fees.
You have never been to one of these teams' practices. They are laughable from day one to day 100.
The most important thing at:
Crabs- take the best players from other clubs after they repeat, charge different amounts for different kids- some pay $500 while others $2000. Less than 50% of their starters were on the team in 6th grade.
Hawks- Your last name and private school are most important, they have cut the core of this team over the last two years
Dogs- Come' on, they are the most honest organization. The backup goalie doesn't even put a helmet on.

Hawks picked up a FOGO from NY, must not liked to sit the bench up there..

And half of True National.... all to beat the crabs. LOve it.

The only impact player that was picked up was the FOGO. Everybody else is just for depth. Same Hawks out there. Shocked they beat the Crabs.

That’s an impressive turnaround. Crabs beat you by double digits in HOCO and twice in the fall as well. But the only major change was the FOGO...... interesting!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs, Hawks, Dogs are all the same. Accumulate talent...zero development...then charge high fees.
You have never been to one of these teams' practices. They are laughable from day one to day 100.
The most important thing at:
Crabs- take the best players from other clubs after they repeat, charge different amounts for different kids- some pay $500 while others $2000. Less than 50% of their starters were on the team in 6th grade.
Hawks- Your last name and private school are most important, they have cut the core of this team over the last two years
Dogs- Come' on, they are the most honest organization. The backup goalie doesn't even put a helmet on.

Hawks picked up a FOGO from NY, must not liked to sit the bench up there..

And half of True National.... all to beat the crabs. LOve it.

The only impact player that was picked up was the FOGO. Everybody else is just for depth. Same Hawks out there. Shocked they beat the Crabs.

That’s an impressive turnaround. Crabs beat you by double digits in HOCO and twice in the fall as well. But the only major change was the FOGO...... interesting!

I'm just commenting on what I saw. Not a Hawks or Crabs parent.... so drop the "you."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs, Hawks, Dogs are all the same. Accumulate talent...zero development...then charge high fees.
You have never been to one of these teams' practices. They are laughable from day one to day 100.
The most important thing at:
Crabs- take the best players from other clubs after they repeat, charge different amounts for different kids- some pay $500 while others $2000. Less than 50% of their starters were on the team in 6th grade.
Hawks- Your last name and private school are most important, they have cut the core of this team over the last two years
Dogs- Come' on, they are the most honest organization. The backup goalie doesn't even put a helmet on.

Hawks picked up a FOGO from NY, must not liked to sit the bench up there..

And half of True National.... all to beat the crabs. LOve it.

The only impact player that was picked up was the FOGO. Everybody else is just for depth. Same Hawks out there. Shocked they beat the Crabs.

That’s an impressive turnaround. Crabs beat you by double digits in HOCO and twice in the fall as well. But the only major change was the FOGO...... interesting!

And Hawks only beat Looneys by a goal last week. Do True National guest just for one week?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs, Hawks, Dogs are all the same. Accumulate talent...zero development...then charge high fees.
You have never been to one of these teams' practices. They are laughable from day one to day 100.
The most important thing at:
Crabs- take the best players from other clubs after they repeat, charge different amounts for different kids- some pay $500 while others $2000. Less than 50% of their starters were on the team in 6th grade.
Hawks- Your last name and private school are most important, they have cut the core of this team over the last two years
Dogs- Come' on, they are the most honest organization. The backup goalie doesn't even put a helmet on.

Hawks picked up a FOGO from NY, must not liked to sit the bench up there..

And half of True National.... all to beat the crabs. LOve it.

The only impact player that was picked up was the FOGO. Everybody else is just for depth. Same Hawks out there. Shocked they beat the Crabs.

That’s an impressive turnaround. Crabs beat you by double digits in HOCO and twice in the fall as well. But the only major change was the FOGO...... interesting!

And Hawks only beat Looneys by a goal last week. Do True National guest just for one week?

you do realize that half of the true national atlantic team are Hawks players, that have always played for Hawks.
Crabs did put a beating on Hawks in the Spring - lost both games by 8 - not double digits; the fall was without several players due to football. It is possible that they learned something from those losses and made necessary defensive changes. Putting into perspective the toss up between Dogs, Crabs and Hawks during the Spring.

Crabs had guest players when they played in LI, seems like a double standard to call out someone else for it.

maybe it was just a good game with one team coming out on top, that's definitely the way I saw it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs, Hawks, Dogs are all the same. Accumulate talent...zero development...then charge high fees.
You have never been to one of these teams' practices. They are laughable from day one to day 100.
The most important thing at:
Crabs- take the best players from other clubs after they repeat, charge different amounts for different kids- some pay $500 while others $2000. Less than 50% of their starters were on the team in 6th grade.
Hawks- Your last name and private school are most important, they have cut the core of this team over the last two years
Dogs- Come' on, they are the most honest organization. The backup goalie doesn't even put a helmet on.

Hawks picked up a FOGO from NY, must not liked to sit the bench up there..

And half of True National.... all to beat the crabs. LOve it.

The only impact player that was picked up was the FOGO. Everybody else is just for depth. Same Hawks out there. Shocked they beat the Crabs.

That’s an impressive turnaround. Crabs beat you by double digits in HOCO and twice in the fall as well. But the only major change was the FOGO...... interesting!

And Hawks only beat Looneys by a goal last week. Do True National guest just for one week?

It must be noted that the Crabs added at least 4 players to the roster for this tournament (some even had odd color helmets), they also did the same thing in Long Island (taking 2 of the Hawks best players) and lost there as well. So don’t make excuses. The crabs were beaten in their tournament fair and square please no excuses!!!!

Many college coaches attend Crabfeast. I assume they are given player info. What does it include?

So, following different posters on this forum,True National players join Hawks to bear Crabs at the Crabs’ owner’s tournament, then Crabs join True National go bear Hawks at Hawks’ owner’s tournament. Sounds right.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Many college coaches attend Crabfeast. I assume they are given player info. What does it include?

name, position, school. Means nothing for 2023s right now. They might take note of the best players at each position. 3 years ago those kids would be getting calls but thank goodness the rules changed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Totally different and lighter subject....all of a sudden Green Turtle has a revived 2023 team? Tryouts invite only, come on. Did they take over another team?

Where did you see this - nothing online about it? I thought the Turtle/Lax World players all went to different clubs? There were plenty mediocre teams at CrabFest this weekend so I suppose there is room for more. Interested to see who will be coaching.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Many college coaches attend Crabfeast. I assume they are given player info. What does it include?

name, position, school. Means nothing for 2023s right now. They might take note of the best players at each position. 3 years ago those kids would be getting calls but thank goodness the rules changed

Zero college coaches looking at the 23 class right now. It’s all 2020 and 21’s.

Crabs pick up players for summer tourneys while kids that have been on the team all year get even less playing time. Where is the loyalty to those players and families. There is none. King Crab does not care about the boys - it’s all him and his brand. He cares about winning by adding players to his already hold back filled roster. The result is 0-2 in summer tourneys. The crabs will pick up even more players to try and win NLF at UMass. How demoralizing for these boys? Let’s get all of the best and biggest players to help out the crabs and still lose. Looks like hawks team picked up the right players to compliment their team while still maintaining their core committed players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs pick up players for summer tourneys while kids that have been on the team all year get even less playing time. Where is the loyalty to those players and families. There is none. King Crab does not care about the boys - it’s all him and his brand. He cares about winning by adding players to his already hold back filled roster. The result is 0-2 in summer tourneys. The crabs will pick up even more players to try and win NLF at UMass. How demoralizing for these boys? Let’s get all of the best and biggest players to help out the crabs and still lose. Looks like hawks team picked up the right players to compliment their team while still maintaining their core committed players.

what happened to developing players

Nobody else discussing just how disgusting the Crab Feast tournament was tilted to cement the Crabs' run to the championship game? Your pool had 3 A/B teams and then the playoff bracket was set so that you played your affiliate (B) team in the semifinals.

Additionally, a team that is 1-2 making the playoffs when four other teams finished higher in record and then goals allowed is quite frankly just wrong. But it certainly did ensure that no actual contenders made it into the brackets to knock Crabs off early.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Totally different and lighter subject....all of a sudden Green Turtle has a revived 2023 team? Tryouts invite only, come on. Did they take over another team?

Where did you see this - nothing online about it? I thought the Turtle/Lax World players all went to different clubs? There were plenty mediocre teams at CrabFest this weekend so I suppose there is room for more. Interested to see who will be coaching.

Only those who need to know have been told.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody else discussing just how disgusting the Crab Feast tournament was tilted to cement the Crabs' run to the championship game? Your pool had 3 A/B teams and then the playoff bracket was set so that you played your affiliate (B) team in the semifinals.

Additionally, a team that is 1-2 making the playoffs when four other teams finished higher in record and then goals allowed is quite frankly just wrong. But it certainly did ensure that no actual contenders made it into the brackets to knock Crabs off early.

Are you a participating club director? If so, don’t accept an invite next year. If not, not your business.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody else discussing just how disgusting the Crab Feast tournament was tilted to cement the Crabs' run to the championship game? Your pool had 3 A/B teams and then the playoff bracket was set so that you played your affiliate (B) team in the semifinals.

Additionally, a team that is 1-2 making the playoffs when four other teams finished higher in record and then goals allowed is quite frankly just wrong. But it certainly did ensure that no actual contenders made it into the brackets to knock Crabs off early.

Yes the all knowing Crab director was crafty with this one. He even convinced a strong team like Brotherly Love to throw the game so his B team could go undefeated in Pool play and make the semi final. Take off your tinfoil bucket helmet. Your conspiracy theory does not work. Was anyone shocked to see Crabs Hawks in the final? NO, anyone who knows anything about 2023 lacrosse would have put these two in the final. BTW the two other semi final teams played a one goal game the week before in PA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody else discussing just how disgusting the Crab Feast tournament was tilted to cement the Crabs' run to the championship game? Your pool had 3 A/B teams and then the playoff bracket was set so that you played your affiliate (B) team in the semifinals.

Additionally, a team that is 1-2 making the playoffs when four other teams finished higher in record and then goals allowed is quite frankly just wrong. But it certainly did ensure that no actual contenders made it into the brackets to knock Crabs off early.

Are you a participating club director? If so, don’t accept an invite next year. If not, not your business.

Good one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody else discussing just how disgusting the Crab Feast tournament was tilted to cement the Crabs' run to the championship game? Your pool had 3 A/B teams and then the playoff bracket was set so that you played your affiliate (B) team in the semifinals.

Additionally, a team that is 1-2 making the playoffs when four other teams finished higher in record and then goals allowed is quite frankly just wrong. But it certainly did ensure that no actual contenders made it into the brackets to knock Crabs off early.

Reason no one is disgusting it because no one else see what you and your delusional self came up with. Good Tournament with good competition . Sorry your team wasnt any good to make it very far. Have them all hit the wall !

It's over.. too many other national teams to play for.

Saw I middie at Crabfeast this weekend who played for Dukes in the fall, was playing for Legends West at Crabfeast in a Mad Dog National helmet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody else discussing just how disgusting the Crab Feast tournament was tilted to cement the Crabs' run to the championship game? Your pool had 3 A/B teams and then the playoff bracket was set so that you played your affiliate (B) team in the semifinals.

Additionally, a team that is 1-2 making the playoffs when four other teams finished higher in record and then goals allowed is quite frankly just wrong. But it certainly did ensure that no actual contenders made it into the brackets to knock Crabs off early.

Reason no one is disgusting it because no one else see what you and your delusional self came up with. Good Tournament with good competition . Sorry your team wasnt any good to make it very far. Have them all hit the wall !

I wish I could ignore your moronic grammar but it's as notIntelligent as your "point" is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's over.. too many other national teams to play for.

Saw I middie at Crabfeast this weekend who played for Dukes in the fall, was playing for Legends West at Crabfeast in a Mad Dog National helmet.

He must be an outstanding lacrosse player. Be honest, if your son was asked to play on multiple elite and national teams, you would immediate accept and proceed to the spirit wear shop for each team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's over.. too many other national teams to play for.

Saw I middie at Crabfeast this weekend who played for Dukes in the fall, was playing for Legends West at Crabfeast in a Mad Dog National helmet.

He must be an outstanding lacrosse player. Be honest, if your son was asked to play on multiple elite and national teams, you would immediate accept and proceed to the spirit wear shop for each team.

Nope, went down that road and much happier playing for an elite team that is together all year.
I get why the WC kid plays for multiple teams. At the end of the day, Dukes is on life-support. These kids are finding better run programs that have national teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's over.. too many other national teams to play for.

Saw I middie at Crabfeast this weekend who played for Dukes in the fall, was playing for Legends West at Crabfeast in a Mad Dog National helmet.

It's not over until we say it's over. Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? heck no. Now who's with me?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's over.. too many other national teams to play for.

Saw I middie at Crabfeast this weekend who played for Dukes in the fall, was playing for Legends West at Crabfeast in a Mad Dog National helmet.

Not sure why you care...but you left off Mad Dog West as well

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's over.. too many other national teams to play for.

Saw I middie at Crabfeast this weekend who played for Dukes in the fall, was playing for Legends West at Crabfeast in a Mad Dog National helmet.

Not sure why you care...but you left off Mad Dog West as well

Also West Coast Starz how could you forget

Will there be a lot of players switching clubs this summer or mostly staying with current teams. Anyone know historically what happened the summer become high school with switching? And do many kids quit to focus on another sport?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will there be a lot of players switching clubs this summer or mostly staying with current teams. Anyone know historically what happened the summer become high school with switching? And do many kids quit to focus on another sport?

There should be a fresh supply of holdbacks with 8th grade being a prime year for that pastime so if nothing else that will ripple through. I wouldn't expect mass changes in the top programs, but there is always some movement.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will there be a lot of players switching clubs this summer or mostly staying with current teams. Anyone know historically what happened the summer become high school with switching? And do many kids quit to focus on another sport?

St.Pauls Head coach is coaching the Rock 2023 team.... Rocks college recruiting is probably the best around...I see a lot of 2023 kids heading to that tryout

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will there be a lot of players switching clubs this summer or mostly staying with current teams. Anyone know historically what happened the summer become high school with switching? And do many kids quit to focus on another sport?

St.Pauls Head coach is coaching the Rock 2023 team.... Rocks college recruiting is probably the best around...I see a lot of 2023 kids heading to that tryout

Same with Looney's with the Loyola HC taking over the 23 team; I can see a lot of boys with Loyola ties coming to play there now and leaving their current club to do so.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will there be a lot of players switching clubs this summer or mostly staying with current teams. Anyone know historically what happened the summer become high school with switching? And do many kids quit to focus on another sport?

St.Pauls Head coach is coaching the Rock 2023 team.... Rocks college recruiting is probably the best around...I see a lot of 2023 kids heading to that tryout

Same with Looney's with the Loyola HC taking over the 23 team; I can see a lot of boys with Loyola ties coming to play there now and leaving their current club to do so.

Rock could not even field a 2023 team last year. If Loyola kids flock to Looneys that means kids will be leaving too. Where do they go? Breakers?

Some are going to new Green Turtle team. Bench players from Looney's Orange forming a team to control where dads can coach to control their son's playing time. There will also be Looney's Green players and probably Breakers players on there i.e. poaching other players from teams promising playing time on a "dream team." Just a rotation of mediocre players amongst mediocre teams is what will occur again this year. The last thing the Baltimore area needs is another club team.
As for Rock, I thought he was coach this past season for 2023? Not sure where all the St. Paul's players play, Breakers? It could be a definite draw for Rock and much needed.
We do notice tryouts are getting earlier and earlier each year for some clubs. Why?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some are going to new Green Turtle team. Bench players from Looney's Orange forming a team to control where dads can coach to control their son's playing time. There will also be Looney's Green players and probably Breakers players on there i.e. poaching other players from teams promising playing time on a "dream team." Just a rotation of mediocre players amongst mediocre teams is what will occur again this year. The last thing the Baltimore area needs is another club team.
As for Rock, I thought he was coach this past season for 2023? Not sure where all the St. Paul's players play, Breakers? It could be a definite draw for Rock and much needed.
We do notice tryouts are getting earlier and earlier each year for some clubs. Why?

Who is we?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some are going to new Green Turtle team. Bench players from Looney's Orange forming a team to control where dads can coach to control their son's playing time. There will also be Looney's Green players and probably Breakers players on there i.e. poaching other players from teams promising playing time on a "dream team." Just a rotation of mediocre players amongst mediocre teams is what will occur again this year. The last thing the Baltimore area needs is another club team.
As for Rock, I thought he was coach this past season for 2023? Not sure where all the St. Paul's players play, Breakers? It could be a definite draw for Rock and much needed.
We do notice tryouts are getting earlier and earlier each year for some clubs. Why?

Mediocre players because they are bench warmers on Looneys orange or play for Looneys green or Breakers? What an arrogant hammerhead. I suppose your son starts for Looneys orange which won two games in HoCo. Clearly you have an ax to grind that your son was not invited to play on this dream team of Looneys and Breakers players.

"dream team of Looneys and Breakers players."
Do people even read what they post prior to posting?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"dream team of Looneys and Breakers players."
Do people even read what they post prior to posting?

“Money grab of Looneys and Breakers players”
I fixed it for you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"dream team of Looneys and Breakers players."
Do people even read what they post prior to posting?

“Money grab of Looneys and Breakers players”
I fixed it for you.

https://www.USCL.com/rankings.html

Two teams you will not see on this ranking of teams. I know this ranking is suspect, opinion, worthless....but they at least have the correct teams and I could not find the Dream Team on here.

YoungGunz schedule out...funny how Crabs are playing teams that should be in the B bracket..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will there be a lot of players switching clubs this summer or mostly staying with current teams. Anyone know historically what happened the summer become high school with switching? And do many kids quit to focus on another sport?

St.Pauls Head coach is coaching the Rock 2023 team.... Rocks college recruiting is probably the best around...I see a lot of 2023 kids heading to that tryout

Considering Rock doesn't have a 2023 team currently, he'll need a lot of kids to show up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YoungGunz schedule out...funny how Crabs are playing teams that should be in the B bracket..

Crabs VLC in final food for them. But Madlax top teams don’t even play in own events

Rough day for Looneys

Crabs 2023 that is filled with hold backs and players who think they are so good ....just keep on adding players from different teams and team still loses. Wonder which players from different teams king crab will add for young guns. Young guns 2023 team are a joke. If king crab and his hold back team can’t win young guns.....parents will be even more upset than they are now. Watching new players after new player take the kids spot to still see the over rated team lose. Crabs will win young guns since there is no competition. Be happy crabby patties going into NLF at UMass to lose since there will be so many great teams playing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some are going to new Green Turtle team. Bench players from Looney's Orange forming a team to control where dads can coach to control their son's playing time. There will also be Looney's Green players and probably Breakers players on there i.e. poaching other players from teams promising playing time on a "dream team." Just a rotation of mediocre players amongst mediocre teams is what will occur again this year. The last thing the Baltimore area needs is another club team.
As for Rock, I thought he was coach this past season for 2023? Not sure where all the St. Paul's players play, Breakers? It could be a definite draw for Rock and much needed.
We do notice tryouts are getting earlier and earlier each year for some clubs. Why?

Loonies Orange looks like the definition of mediocre themselves. Ran from Crabfest last week to play "mediocre" teams in PA while the Elite teams stayed local to play against other elite teams. I see where they are near the bottom of Millon's tourney this weekend. Sorry we didn't see them today - they make us look good. Doesn't look like much to hold anyone at Looneys unless your dad is the coach.

What happened to Madlax DC today?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to Madlax DC today?

Today is the day Montgomery County issues driver’s license.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some are going to new Green Turtle team. Bench players from Looney's Orange forming a team to control where dads can coach to control their son's playing time. There will also be Looney's Green players and probably Breakers players on there i.e. poaching other players from teams promising playing time on a "dream team." Just a rotation of mediocre players amongst mediocre teams is what will occur again this year. The last thing the Baltimore area needs is another club team.
As for Rock, I thought he was coach this past season for 2023? Not sure where all the St. Paul's players play, Breakers? It could be a definite draw for Rock and much needed.
We do notice tryouts are getting earlier and earlier each year for some clubs. Why?

Loonies Orange looks like the definition of mediocre themselves. Ran from Crabfest last week to play "mediocre" teams in PA while the Elite teams stayed local to play against other elite teams. I see where they are near the bottom of Millon's tourney this weekend. Sorry we didn't see them today - they make us look good. Doesn't look like much to hold anyone at Looneys unless your dad is the coach.

Looneys would have played in Crabfeast if RM would have let them in. Whoever you are, whatever your agenda is, you're a hammerhead

Hogan must be very proud of his hawks.... Hawks moto is our commitment to our players, no guest players, and our roster is set the day of tryouts. Hahaha!

Can’t wait to hear the commentators during the Naptown tourney..........

Salty much?? What GUEST players did they add or are they new to the team for the summer. Their FOGO was injured during the last week of HOCO so they had to pick one up to compete. They had two middies leave after the spring season so they had to pick up some kids fir depth same group of core kids besides FOGO as they had all year. Find a way to stop their attack and they can easily be beat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to Madlax DC today?

Today is the day Montgomery County issues driver’s license.

Well done!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to Madlax DC today?

Today is the day Montgomery County issues driver’s license.

Winner 👆🏻

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Salty much?? What GUEST players did they add or are they new to the team for the summer. Their FOGO was injured during the last week of HOCO so they had to pick one up to compete. They had two middies leave after the spring season so they had to pick up some kids fir depth same group of core kids besides FOGO as they had all year. Find a way to stop their attack and they can easily be beat.

Brotherly Love played them the best other than Dogs all summer. Had the lead most of game and all of first half but started losing faceoffs and time of possesion. They limited 9 and 24 well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Salty much?? What GUEST players did they add or are they new to the team for the summer. Their FOGO was injured during the last week of HOCO so they had to pick one up to compete. They had two middies leave after the spring season so they had to pick up some kids fir depth same group of core kids besides FOGO as they had all year. Find a way to stop their attack and they can easily be beat.

What about the brick wall zone D and the no goal goalie?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"dream team of Looneys and Breakers players."
Do people even read what they post prior to posting?

I think he was just trying to be funny. We just got a call about this team (and no, we are not part of Breakers, Looney's or FCA) From what we were told, no parent coaches - a few ex-players in their 20's coaching. Supposed to be a small roster. Lower than average cost. They are not worried about chasing other teams or being "elite"- just kids playing with others of similar abilities. Not sure we are interested, but I don't see anything wrong with the model if they can pull it off. Rock and Lax World folded teams in this age last year so there are probably fewer 2023 teams than in most age groups.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some are going to new Green Turtle team. Bench players from Looney's Orange forming a team to control where dads can coach to control their son's playing time. There will also be Looney's Green players and probably Breakers players on there i.e. poaching other players from teams promising playing time on a "dream team." Just a rotation of mediocre players amongst mediocre teams is what will occur again this year. The last thing the Baltimore area needs is another club team.
As for Rock, I thought he was coach this past season for 2023? Not sure where all the St. Paul's players play, Breakers? It could be a definite draw for Rock and much needed.
We do notice tryouts are getting earlier and earlier each year for some clubs. Why?

Loonies Orange looks like the definition of mediocre themselves. Ran from Crabfest last week to play "mediocre" teams in PA while the Elite teams stayed local to play against other elite teams. I see where they are near the bottom of Millon's tourney this weekend. Sorry we didn't see them today - they make us look good. Doesn't look like much to hold anyone at Looneys unless your dad is the coach.

Looneys would have played in Crabfeast if RM would have let them in. Whoever you are, whatever your agenda is, you're a hammerhead

Why didn't he "let them in?" Mediocre. Just not consistent enough to compete with the top teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Salty much?? What GUEST players did they add or are they new to the team for the summer. Their FOGO was injured during the last week of HOCO so they had to pick one up to compete. They had two middies leave after the spring season so they had to pick up some kids fir depth same group of core kids besides FOGO as they had all year. Find a way to stop their attack and they can easily be beat.

Brotherly Love played them the best other than Dogs all summer. Had the lead most of game and all of first half but started losing faceoffs and time of possesion. They limited 9 and 24 well.

Go back into hiding brotherly love fan, you lost to VLC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"dream team of Looneys and Breakers players."
Do people even read what they post prior to posting?

I think he was just trying to be funny. We just got a call about this team (and no, we are not part of Breakers, Looney's or FCA) From what we were told, no parent coaches - a few ex-players in their 20's coaching. Supposed to be a small roster. Lower than average cost. They are not worried about chasing other teams or being "elite"- just kids playing with others of similar abilities. Not sure we are interested, but I don't see anything wrong with the model if they can pull it off. Rock and Lax World folded teams in this age last year so there are probably fewer 2023 teams than in most age groups.

Sounds like Kelly Post

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"dream team of Looneys and Breakers players."
Do people even read what they post prior to posting?

I think he was just trying to be funny. We just got a call about this team (and no, we are not part of Breakers, Looney's or FCA) From what we were told, no parent coaches - a few ex-players in their 20's coaching. Supposed to be a small roster. Lower than average cost. They are not worried about chasing other teams or being "elite"- just kids playing with others of similar abilities. Not sure we are interested, but I don't see anything wrong with the model if they can pull it off. Rock and Lax World folded teams in this age last year so there are probably fewer 2023 teams than in most age groups.

What is is about Looneys that its teams fall apart going into high school?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Salty much?? What GUEST players did they add or are they new to the team for the summer. Their FOGO was injured during the last week of HOCO so they had to pick one up to compete. They had two middies leave after the spring season so they had to pick up some kids fir depth same group of core kids besides FOGO as they had all year. Find a way to stop their attack and they can easily be beat.

What about the brick wall zone D and the no goal goalie?

The one that allowed 17 and 15 against the crabs? that D and goalie will come back to Earth once all those guest players are gone.....

He’s the best 2023 goalie in the state no question about it. Everyone has a bad day every now and again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some are going to new Green Turtle team. Bench players from Looney's Orange forming a team to control where dads can coach to control their son's playing time. There will also be Looney's Green players and probably Breakers players on there i.e. poaching other players from teams promising playing time on a "dream team." Just a rotation of mediocre players amongst mediocre teams is what will occur again this year. The last thing the Baltimore area needs is another club team.
As for Rock, I thought he was coach this past season for 2023? Not sure where all the St. Paul's players play, Breakers? It could be a definite draw for Rock and much needed.
We do notice tryouts are getting earlier and earlier each year for some clubs. Why?

Loonies Orange looks like the definition of mediocre themselves. Ran from Crabfest last week to play "mediocre" teams in PA while the Elite teams stayed local to play against other elite teams. I see where they are near the bottom of Millon's tourney this weekend. Sorry we didn't see them today - they make us look good. Doesn't look like much to hold anyone at Looneys unless your dad is the coach.

Looneys would have played in Crabfeast if RM would have let them in. Whoever you are, whatever your agenda is, you're a hammerhead

Why didn't he "let them in?" Mediocre. Just not consistent enough to compete with the top teams.

You'd need to ask Mr Crab himself. Looney's went to OT with the Crabfeast Champ Hawks the week before. Despite poor showing last week they are in ball park of most of the 2023 team at Crabfeast..It seems he like to keep certain local clubs (91 Looneys) out of his HS tourn to keep up the premise that you need to play Crabs to play D1

Who are the top 2023 MD teams?

Madlax
Crabs
VLC
..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"dream team of Looneys and Breakers players."
Do people even read what they post prior to posting?

I think he was just trying to be funny. We just got a call about this team (and no, we are not part of Breakers, Looney's or FCA) From what we were told, no parent coaches - a few ex-players in their 20's coaching. Supposed to be a small roster. Lower than average cost. They are not worried about chasing other teams or being "elite"- just kids playing with others of similar abilities. Not sure we are interested, but I don't see anything wrong with the model if they can pull it off. Rock and Lax World folded teams in this age last year so there are probably fewer 2023 teams than in most age groups.

Kind of in the same boat here. Don't think my son is interested, but I don't see a problem with folks putting together a team to compete off season during high school. Some kids (most) would just like to play with their high school team and also have fun with a club team without it being the life or death struggle of "elite" teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"dream team of Looneys and Breakers players."
Do people even read what they post prior to posting?

I think he was just trying to be funny. We just got a call about this team (and no, we are not part of Breakers, Looney's or FCA) From what we were told, no parent coaches - a few ex-players in their 20's coaching. Supposed to be a small roster. Lower than average cost. They are not worried about chasing other teams or being "elite"- just kids playing with others of similar abilities. Not sure we are interested, but I don't see anything wrong with the model if they can pull it off. Rock and Lax World folded teams in this age last year so there are probably fewer 2023 teams than in most age groups.

Kind of in the same boat here. Don't think my son is interested, but I don't see a problem with folks putting together a team to compete off season during high school. Some kids (most) would just like to play with their high school team and also have fun with a club team without it being the life or death struggle of "elite" teams.

There is absolutely no reason to play High School Club lacrosse if your child is not interested in playing College lacrosse... If your team is not putting you in recruitment tournaments then why play? Just play High School an be done with it....

"There is absolutely no reason to play High School Club lacrosse if your child is not interested in playing College lacrosse... If your team is not putting you in recruitment tournaments then why play? Just play High School an be done with it...."

Could not disagree more. Fact is that many of the kids who are interested now won't be at some point. Many that are not will be interested in playing in college. Some kids will go on to play in college and decide it is not for them. This should be your criteria:
1. Can you afford it? If not the answer is NO for any circumstance. This is not football or basketball. NO gold at the end of the rainbow not even for PLL. If yes, pick a team that will not hurt the wallet.
2. Does you son like playing? If yes, then support the activity and it keeps them out of trouble.
3. Will it make him better for HS?
4. Do you enjoy it?
I feel sorry for the person who made the previous statement. If you feel club lacrosse is a negative experience you are in for even more disappointment in the near future.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is absolutely no reason to play High School Club lacrosse if your child is not interested in playing College lacrosse... If your team is not putting you in recruitment tournaments then why play? Just play High School an be done with it....

It may not be a good "investment" (although I don't think it is even for kids who want to play in college). But there are plenty of good reasons to play club other than for recruiting. That's especially true for a club that is relatively low cost and intends to be a low stress fun experience.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is absolutely no reason to play High School Club lacrosse if your child is not interested in playing College lacrosse... If your team is not putting you in recruitment tournaments then why play? Just play High School an be done with it....

It may not be a good "investment" (although I don't think it is even for kids who want to play in college). But there are plenty of good reasons to play club other than for recruiting. That's especially true for a club that is relatively low cost and intends to be a low stress fun experience.

Name a club that is low cost at the High School level? Go to public school and play for your High School team...... If you do not intend to play College Lacrosse then it's just a complete waste of time....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is absolutely no reason to play High School Club lacrosse if your child is not interested in playing College lacrosse... If your team is not putting you in recruitment tournaments then why play? Just play High School an be done with it....

It may not be a good "investment" (although I don't think it is even for kids who want to play in college). But there are plenty of good reasons to play club other than for recruiting. That's especially true for a club that is relatively low cost and intends to be a low stress fun experience.

Name a club that is low cost at the High School level? Go to public school and play for your High School team...... If you do not intend to play College Lacrosse then it's just a complete waste of time....

If you feel playing more lacrosse is a complete waste of time then any amount is too much. Many teams charge under 2K a year. As you state, "if you do not intend to play College Lacrosse" speaking in the first person, I assume you are a player not a parent, if you do not like the sport, then "yes" it is a complete waste of time and money to continue. Many kids enjoy the sport and it will end at some point. For many, spending 2K a year to play more competitive lacrosse at the High School level to get better and maybe start on Varsity is low cost. The same would apply to any activity.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is absolutely no reason to play High School Club lacrosse if your child is not interested in playing College lacrosse... If your team is not putting you in recruitment tournaments then why play? Just play High School an be done with it....

It may not be a good "investment" (although I don't think it is even for kids who want to play in college). But there are plenty of good reasons to play club other than for recruiting. That's especially true for a club that is relatively low cost and intends to be a low stress fun experience.

Name a club that is low cost at the High School level? Go to public school and play for your High School team...... If you do not intend to play College Lacrosse then it's just a complete waste of time....

If you feel playing more lacrosse is a complete waste of time then any amount is too much. Many teams charge under 2K a year. As you state, "if you do not intend to play College Lacrosse" speaking in the first person, I assume you are a player not a parent, if you do not like the sport, then "yes" it is a complete waste of time and money to continue. Many kids enjoy the sport and it will end at some point. For many, spending 2K a year to play more competitive lacrosse at the High School level to get better and maybe start on Varsity is low cost. The same would apply to any activity.

Really you are lost..... High School club lacrosse teams are totally different than middle school teams.... There is no comparison... All of High School club teams are geared for College recruitment.... A lot of the tournaments have no championships and scores do not matter... Its all about showcasing your skills to college coaches.... If your kid is not interested then he should not play.. He is wasting your time and your money... High School Club lacrosse does not exist so you can be better for your High School team....... There is no program like that in existence in Maryland....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All of High School club teams are geared for College recruitment.... A lot of the tournaments have no championships and scores do not matter.

Other than the Millon 2023 "Championship" every tournament we went to (and will go to) has high school divisions. Those teams seem to be playing in games where they keep score and even play for championships. Sure, there is a lot of focus on "showcase" events, but that is certainly not the totality of summer tournaments. And if that is all you are playing for (or your kid is playing for) you seem to be the one who is lost.

For my son, he loves the game, will play on his High School team, but doesn't think he wants to play in college. Maybe he'll change his mind, so having a club team gives him some flexibility. But even if he just plays the next 3 summers, it is worth it to us as parents. We can thankfully afford it, he enjoys it and so do we.

We feel the same way about box. That certainly won't help him get recruited, but it's a great sport and we all have fun attending tournaments.

YMMV

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is absolutely no reason to play High School Club lacrosse if your child is not interested in playing College lacrosse... If your team is not putting you in recruitment tournaments then why play? Just play High School an be done with it....

It may not be a good "investment" (although I don't think it is even for kids who want to play in college). But there are plenty of good reasons to play club other than for recruiting. That's especially true for a club that is relatively low cost and intends to be a low stress fun experience.

Name a club that is low cost at the High School level? Go to public school and play for your High School team...... If you do not intend to play College Lacrosse then it's just a complete waste of time....

If you feel playing more lacrosse is a complete waste of time then any amount is too much. Many teams charge under 2K a year. As you state, "if you do not intend to play College Lacrosse" speaking in the first person, I assume you are a player not a parent, if you do not like the sport, then "yes" it is a complete waste of time and money to continue. Many kids enjoy the sport and it will end at some point. For many, spending 2K a year to play more competitive lacrosse at the High School level to get better and maybe start on Varsity is low cost. The same would apply to any activity.

Really you are lost..... High School club lacrosse teams are totally different than middle school teams.... There is no comparison... All of High School club teams are geared for College recruitment.... A lot of the tournaments have no championships and scores do not matter... Its all about showcasing your skills to college coaches.... If your kid is not interested then he should not play.. He is wasting your time and your money... High School Club lacrosse does not exist so you can be better for your High School team....... There is no program like that in existence in Maryland....

No he's not. Aloha, Madlax, Hogan, NXT, etc all have HS divisions and the cost is the same as the youth divisions. This guys thinks because his kid is on an elite team in 8th grade means all the money he's spent (and will spend) is justified compared to the rest of us. Fact is very few kids know the type of grind needed to play college lacrosse - even in D3. Not to mention the grind and competition he'll see if going to a MIAA A school. We're all more or less suckers for paying for club ball but if their experience was a positive one and the money wasn't in lieu of college fund - then time and money well spent imo. Same applies for hs club. All hail the late bloomers. If your kid has your attitude then he's gonna get caught

The Madlax DC Dogs team didn't do that well at the MIllon event. Why? Because several of their kids weren't allowed to play because they WERE TOO OLD.

What Is going on with Looneys?

Did the tournament director let his son play?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What Is going on with Looneys?

Turning into a good rec program.

St. Paul’s 23 kids are mostly at Breakers. None of them will even see the field in high school. Mediocre at best

Originally Posted by Anonymous

St. Paul’s 23 kids are mostly at Breakers. None of them will even see the field in high school. Mediocre at best

Huh? So St Paul’s has no 2023 kids that will see the field in HS? Assume you mean as Freshman in Varsity. Sounds bitter for some reason. Cut from Breakers? Not recruited to SP?

Cut from Breakers? Now that’s funny!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

St. Paul’s 23 kids are mostly at Breakers. None of them will even see the field in high school. Mediocre at best

Huh? So St Paul’s has no 2023 kids that will see the field in HS? Assume you mean as Freshman in Varsity. Sounds bitter for some reason. Cut from Breakers? Not recruited to SP?

Cut from the Breakers ,,,Thats a low blow !

One of the best (and my favorite) youth tournaments is this weekend, YoungGunz. To be fair is highly competitive from grades 3 to 7th, but 8th is more of a C level tournament (never heard of most of the teams competing) so I was surprised when I saw VLC championship trolling. VLC is a much better team than this they beat brotherly love and made Crab feast semis, but I can understand putting yourself in a tournament with a big name and no competition to get a championship.........

But then I look over and saw these young men in yellow helmets playing so I had to go and look to see what team it was, after all it could not be the 2023 Crabs team (PS there is no 2023 Crabs B team). Guess what it was the 2023 Crabs team, for the love of GOD I could not understand why they were there, until someone reminded me that they have not won anything this summer.

Well VLC I am sorry because jealous big brother decided he wants a 2019 championship T-Shirt.

let me be the first to congratulate the 2023 Crabs team on this victory, its been long coming and hey guess if you cant beat teams in your division then the best thing to do is to drop down 3 divisions. Everyone associated with the team should be embarrassed to be at this tournament, and i get you are afraid that the coach will bench your son, but walking away from this tournament smiling with your head high tells alot.

CONGRATS YOUNGGUNZ CHUMPS - 2023 Crabs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of the best (and my favorite) youth tournaments is this weekend, YoungGunz. To be fair is highly competitive from grades 3 to 7th, but 8th is more of a C level tournament (never heard of most of the teams competing) so I was surprised when I saw VLC championship trolling. VLC is a much better team than this they beat brotherly love and made Crab feast semis, but I can understand putting yourself in a tournament with a big name and no competition to get a championship.........

But then I look over and saw these young men in yellow helmets playing so I had to go and look to see what team it was, after all it could not be the 2023 Crabs team (PS there is no 2023 Crabs B team). Guess what it was the 2023 Crabs team, for the love of GOD I could not understand why they were there, until someone reminded me that they have not won anything this summer.

Well VLC I am sorry because jealous big brother decided he wants a 2019 championship T-Shirt.

let me be the first to congratulate the 2023 Crabs team on this victory, its been long coming and hey guess if you cant beat teams in your division then the best thing to do is to drop down 3 divisions. Everyone associated with the team should be embarrassed to be at this tournament, and i get you are afraid that the coach will bench your son, but walking away from this tournament smiling with your head high tells alot.

CONGRATS YOUNGGUNZ CHUMPS - 2023 Crabs

Not a major talent difference this year in Crabfeast and young guns. Better talent at crabfeast by maybe 3 to 4 teams Both events had outmatched out of state teams. So did the Millon event and Naptown. Adding the Crabs team raises the bar. It is their tournament. Big 4h Mesa Seattle Stars all decent teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of the best (and my favorite) youth tournaments is this weekend, YoungGunz. To be fair is highly competitive from grades 3 to 7th, but 8th is more of a C level tournament (never heard of most of the teams competing) so I was surprised when I saw VLC championship trolling. VLC is a much better team than this they beat brotherly love and made Crab feast semis, but I can understand putting yourself in a tournament with a big name and no competition to get a championship.........

But then I look over and saw these young men in yellow helmets playing so I had to go and look to see what team it was, after all it could not be the 2023 Crabs team (PS there is no 2023 Crabs B team). Guess what it was the 2023 Crabs team, for the love of GOD I could not understand why they were there, until someone reminded me that they have not won anything this summer.

Well VLC I am sorry because jealous big brother decided he wants a 2019 championship T-Shirt.

let me be the first to congratulate the 2023 Crabs team on this victory, its been long coming and hey guess if you cant beat teams in your division then the best thing to do is to drop down 3 divisions. Everyone associated with the team should be embarrassed to be at this tournament, and i get you are afraid that the coach will bench your son, but walking away from this tournament smiling with your head high tells alot.

CONGRATS YOUNGGUNZ CHUMPS - 2023 Crabs

Not a major talent difference this year in Crabfeast and young guns. Better talent at crabfeast by maybe 3 to 4 teams Both events had outmatched out of state teams. So did the Millon event and Naptown. Adding the Crabs team raises the bar. It is their tournament. Big 4h Mesa Seattle Stars all decent teams.

Stop! This event for 2023 is very weak and not in the conversation with crabfeast Millon or Naptown.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of the best (and my favorite) youth tournaments is this weekend, YoungGunz. To be fair is highly competitive from grades 3 to 7th, but 8th is more of a C level tournament (never heard of most of the teams competing) so I was surprised when I saw VLC championship trolling. VLC is a much better team than this they beat brotherly love and made Crab feast semis, but I can understand putting yourself in a tournament with a big name and no competition to get a championship.........

But then I look over and saw these young men in yellow helmets playing so I had to go and look to see what team it was, after all it could not be the 2023 Crabs team (PS there is no 2023 Crabs B team). Guess what it was the 2023 Crabs team, for the love of GOD I could not understand why they were there, until someone reminded me that they have not won anything this summer.

Well VLC I am sorry because jealous big brother decided he wants a 2019 championship T-Shirt.

let me be the first to congratulate the 2023 Crabs team on this victory, its been long coming and hey guess if you cant beat teams in your division then the best thing to do is to drop down 3 divisions. Everyone associated with the team should be embarrassed to be at this tournament, and i get you are afraid that the coach will bench your son, but walking away from this tournament smiling with your head high tells alot.

CONGRATS YOUNGGUNZ CHUMPS - 2023 Crabs

Not a major talent difference this year in Crabfeast and young guns. Better talent at crabfeast by maybe 3 to 4 teams Both events had outmatched out of state teams. So did the Millon event and Naptown. Adding the Crabs team raises the bar. It is their tournament. Big 4h Mesa Seattle Stars all decent teams.

Stop! This event for 2023 is very weak and not in the conversation with crabfeast Millon or Naptown.

Don't even try it.... No HOCO Elite, AAA or AA team should be signed up for this event. The Crabs are only playing in it to win a Championship,. This is it for them, maybe next year they can reload with so re-re-classing 2022s

Rock Club Lacrosse (RCL) has released the potential coaching staff for the 2023 team. They are investing a lot of coaching talent in a team that does not exist. Seems like a big move. Roughrider Lacrosse has done the same thing at the 2023 graduation year. Given the growth of Zingos LC and Breakers, it will be interesting to see what may happen with player movement.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rock Club Lacrosse (RCL) has released the potential coaching staff for the 2023 team. They are investing a lot of coaching talent in a team that does not exist. Seems like a big move. Roughrider Lacrosse has done the same thing at the 2023 graduation year. Given the growth of Zingos LC and Breakers, it will be interesting to see what may happen with player movement.

Zingos?

Breakers? Lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rock Club Lacrosse (RCL) has released the potential coaching staff for the 2023 team. They are investing a lot of coaching talent in a team that does not exist. Seems like a big move. Roughrider Lacrosse has done the same thing at the 2023 graduation year. Given the growth of Zingos LC and Breakers, it will be interesting to see what may happen with player movement.

Kind of interesting that (assuming Rock 23 happens), there will be three MIAA varsity head coaches coaching 2023 clubs: Loyola/Looneys; CH/FCA; St. Pauls/Rock

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Don't even try it.... No HOCO Elite, AAA or AA team should be signed up for this event. The Crabs are only playing in it to win a Championship,. This is it for them, maybe next year they can reload with so re-re-classing 2022s[/quote]
I did not post previously trying to make a case for this tournament. It is what it is. It was not on par with Crabfeast, Naptown, or the MM Invitational event. The field was below those but better than a Aloha or Hershey tournament. Mesa and Big 4 would be at the bottom of Elite in HOCO and most AAA or AA teams other than South River would not be in the championship bracket at this event. API was in this event. Teams traveled from all over and I am sure they wanted to have the Crabs in the event as they are the host team. I am sure next year all will fear the super "Rock" team being formed with former Breakers and Zingos players. Maybe they can play in Crabfeast.

Top teams bypass Young Guns to prep for Summer Sizzle this weekend!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is absolutely no reason to play High School Club lacrosse if your child is not interested in playing College lacrosse... If your team is not putting you in recruitment tournaments then why play? Just play High School an be done with it....

It may not be a good "investment" (although I don't think it is even for kids who want to play in college). But there are plenty of good reasons to play club other than for recruiting. That's especially true for a club that is relatively low cost and intends to be a low stress fun experience.

Name a club that is low cost at the High School level? Go to public school and play for your High School team...... If you do not intend to play College Lacrosse then it's just a complete waste of time....

I guess it goes without saying that kids choosing to attend public schools can't play in college?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is absolutely no reason to play High School Club lacrosse if your child is not interested in playing College lacrosse... If your team is not putting you in recruitment tournaments then why play? Just play High School an be done with it....

It may not be a good "investment" (although I don't think it is even for kids who want to play in college). But there are plenty of good reasons to play club other than for recruiting. That's especially true for a club that is relatively low cost and intends to be a low stress fun experience.

Name a club that is low cost at the High School level? Go to public school and play for your High School team...... If you do not intend to play College Lacrosse then it's just a complete waste of time....

I guess it goes without saying that kids choosing to attend public schools can't play in college?

He sees public school lacrosse as intramural sports. And the main reason to pay for a private school is to be on a better lax team

Sorry but YoungGunz has turned into a joke. Field was bad at 2023. Might as well have been an Aloha tournament. Fact that VLC was in the championship says a lot. VLC is a really good AA team but can't compete at Elite. How did VLC do in two games against Crabs this summer? Yeah, that's right. It would have been more productive for Crabs to have a practice than to butt-whoop their sister organization again. And VLC star likely to fade a bit when half their roster tries out of Blackwolf in two weeks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry but YoungGunz has turned into a joke. Field was bad at 2023. Might as well have been an Aloha tournament. Fact that VLC was in the championship says a lot. VLC is a really good AA team but can't compete at Elite. How did VLC do in two games against Crabs this summer? Yeah, that's right. It would have been more productive for Crabs to have a practice than to butt-whoop their sister organization again. And VLC star likely to fade a bit when half their roster tries out of Blackwolf in two weeks.

LOL. Blackwolf?? They will be lucky to get the CAV and Evergreen left overs. Dead program

Who won Naptown? Tourney Machine has not updated the bracket.

Hawks plays madlax National at 2:00 today for the championship

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who won Naptown? Tourney Machine has not updated the bracket.

Hawks play Madlax at 2pm. On Tv somewhere on ESPN. Might just be thru website

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who won Naptown? Tourney Machine has not updated the bracket.

Hawks play Madlax at 2pm. On Tv somewhere on ESPN. Might just be thru website

http://www.espn.com/watch/player?bucketId=4136&id=3529858

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who won Naptown? Tourney Machine has not updated the bracket.

Don’t miss Madlax National vs Annapolis Hawks National play today at 2 PM on the ESPN3! Hahaha!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who won Naptown? Tourney Machine has not updated the bracket.

Don’t miss Madlax National vs Annapolis Hawks National play today at 2 PM on the ESPN3! Hahaha!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who won Naptown? Tourney Machine has not updated the bracket.

Don’t miss Madlax National vs Annapolis Hawks National play today at 2 PM on the ESPN3! Hahaha!!!

Jealously is not a good trait. Just because your sons team didnt make it very deep into playoffs, no reason to get jealous. Have him hit the wall. Maybe next year.

Hawks win Naptown. 9-6. Over madlax.

Meanwhile Shore2Shore, the team that soundly beat DC Dogs at Millon a week ago, is playing at the Inside Lacrosse invitational up in Bel Air. And S2S got beat by FCA in the semis. FCA won a close game in the finals against a True National team.

You never know what's going to happen on the field. There's a reason they play the games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Meanwhile Shore2Shore, the team that soundly beat DC Dogs at Millon a week ago, is playing at the Inside Lacrosse invitational up in Bel Air. And S2S got beat by FCA in the semis. FCA won a close game in the finals against a True National team.

You never know what's going to happen on the field. There's a reason they play the games.

Don't be to happy about beating True National..... half there team was playing in Naptown with the Hawks.

Obviously you are clueless- half of the true Atlantic team is made up of hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Meanwhile Shore2Shore, the team that soundly beat DC Dogs at Millon a week ago, is playing at the Inside Lacrosse invitational up in Bel Air. And S2S got beat by FCA in the semis. FCA won a close game in the finals against a True National team.

You never know what's going to happen on the field. There's a reason they play the games.

Don't be to happy about beating True National..... half there team was playing in Naptown with the Hawks.

Completely different teams. True National has 3 different 2023 teams. The one at IL was just formed and had first met each other on Sunday for their first and only practice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Meanwhile Shore2Shore, the team that soundly beat DC Dogs at Millon a week ago, is playing at the Inside Lacrosse invitational up in Bel Air. And S2S got beat by FCA in the semis. FCA won a close game in the finals against a True National team.

You never know what's going to happen on the field. There's a reason they play the games.

Look at the FCA roster for this: 2 kids from Texas, another from GA, DE, PA This is not the HARCO Md team, rather a pre-freshman class Calvert Hall team. I feel for the kids who played all season and now have to watch ringers play. At least they got a medal to wear in the pictures.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Meanwhile Shore2Shore, the team that soundly beat DC Dogs at Millon a week ago, is playing at the Inside Lacrosse invitational up in Bel Air. And S2S got beat by FCA in the semis. FCA won a close game in the finals against a True National team.

You never know what's going to happen on the field. There's a reason they play the games.

Look at the FCA roster for this: 2 kids from Texas, another from GA, DE, PA This is not the HARCO Md team, rather a pre-freshman class Calvert Hall team. I feel for the kids who played all season and now have to watch ringers play. At least they got a medal to wear in the pictures.

Fake News; the team that was fielded for the IL Invitational was the same team that played in HOCO

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/team/fca23/19

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Meanwhile Shore2Shore, the team that soundly beat DC Dogs at Millon a week ago, is playing at the Inside Lacrosse invitational up in Bel Air. And S2S got beat by FCA in the semis. FCA won a close game in the finals against a True National team.

You never know what's going to happen on the field. There's a reason they play the games.

Look at the FCA roster for this: 2 kids from Texas, another from GA, DE, PA This is not the HARCO Md team, rather a pre-freshman class Calvert Hall team. I feel for the kids who played all season and now have to watch ringers play. At least they got a medal to wear in the pictures.

Ok this is hilarious!! What roster are you looking at? This post is complete BS; same kids are the Spring League and in all honesty we were missing 3 from the original roster and they were not replaced.

I feel so good as an adult coming on this site and arguing about how well I am living vicariously through my son. Or maybe my son just isn’t good enough to play “elite” lacrosse and I should tell him to hit the wall.

Not an FCA booster, but having seen them at the IL tournament, it looked like the same team from HoCo. Certainly no obvious ringers (I mean "guest players"). They didn't do particularly well the first two days. They lost to True, S2S and CT Wolves. But they pulled it together on the last day, winning from the losers "bracket" all the way through the finals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Meanwhile Shore2Shore, the team that soundly beat DC Dogs at Millon a week ago, is playing at the Inside Lacrosse invitational up in Bel Air. And S2S got beat by FCA in the semis. FCA won a close game in the finals against a True National team.

You never know what's going to happen on the field. There's a reason they play the games.

Look at the FCA roster for this: 2 kids from Texas, another from GA, DE, PA This is not the HARCO Md team, rather a pre-freshman class Calvert Hall team. I feel for the kids who played all season and now have to watch ringers play. At least they got a medal to wear in the pictures.

Sorry, this was the 2022 team that also won. My bad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Meanwhile Shore2Shore, the team that soundly beat DC Dogs at Millon a week ago, is playing at the Inside Lacrosse invitational up in Bel Air. And S2S got beat by FCA in the semis. FCA won a close game in the finals against a True National team.

You never know what's going to happen on the field. There's a reason they play the games.

Look at the FCA roster for this: 2 kids from Texas, another from GA, DE, PA This is not the HARCO Md team, rather a pre-freshman class Calvert Hall team. I feel for the kids who played all season and now have to watch ringers play. At least they got a medal to wear in the pictures.

Sorry, this was the 2022 team that also won. My bad.

Again Sir I am not sure what roster you are looking at.......

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/team/fca22/19

Same team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Meanwhile Shore2Shore, the team that soundly beat DC Dogs at Millon a week ago, is playing at the Inside Lacrosse invitational up in Bel Air. And S2S got beat by FCA in the semis. FCA won a close game in the finals against a True National team.

You never know what's going to happen on the field. There's a reason they play the games.

Look at the FCA roster for this: 2 kids from Texas, another from GA, DE, PA This is not the HARCO Md team, rather a pre-freshman class Calvert Hall team. I feel for the kids who played all season and now have to watch ringers play. At least they got a medal to wear in the pictures.

Sorry, this was the 2022 team that also won. My bad.

I think you may be referring to the Team 91 2022 roster.......who would have thought a MM team would do such a thing?

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/team/t91/19

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Meanwhile Shore2Shore, the team that soundly beat DC Dogs at Millon a week ago, is playing at the Inside Lacrosse invitational up in Bel Air. And S2S got beat by FCA in the semis. FCA won a close game in the finals against a True National team.

You never know what's going to happen on the field. There's a reason they play the games.

Look at the FCA roster for this: 2 kids from Texas, another from GA, DE, PA This is not the HARCO Md team, rather a pre-freshman class Calvert Hall team. I feel for the kids who played all season and now have to watch ringers play. At least they got a medal to wear in the pictures.

Seriously, Isnt this what it is about ? Winning Medals ? 40 years from now, these medal wearers will be talking about their team winning the tournament, how great team was , etc....Not that guest players took their spot and were the reason. The stories get better every year until you are in the 90's and you scored the winning goal in OT ! Lets not fault the Club for getting these players to dream the dream.

If you are not first, your last !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think you may be referring to the Team 91 2022 roster.......who would have thought a MM team would do such a thing?

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/team/t91/19

I'm shocked! It's not like MM threatens Texas kids who might want to play for another Maryland team with never being allowed to play for 91 Texas. But honestly we should all be thankful that his son is at least playing 22 over the Summer instead of continuing to play with the HoCo 23 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Meanwhile Shore2Shore, the team that soundly beat DC Dogs at Millon a week ago, is playing at the Inside Lacrosse invitational up in Bel Air. And S2S got beat by FCA in the semis. FCA won a close game in the finals against a True National team.

You never know what's going to happen on the field. There's a reason they play the games.

Look at the FCA roster for this: 2 kids from Texas, another from GA, DE, PA This is not the HARCO Md team, rather a pre-freshman class Calvert Hall team. I feel for the kids who played all season and now have to watch ringers play. At least they got a medal to wear in the pictures.

Seriously, Isnt this what it is about ? Winning Medals ? 40 years from now, these medal wearers will be talking about their team winning the tournament, how great team was , etc....Not that guest players took their spot and were the reason. The stories get better every year until you are in the 90's and you scored the winning goal in OT ! Lets not fault the Club for getting these players to dream the dream.

If you are not first, your last !

DC Dods had to have there B team when S2S played. It was the same day as the UA games so they probably had 5-6 of there 16 year old freshman there

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Meanwhile Shore2Shore, the team that soundly beat DC Dogs at Millon a week ago, is playing at the Inside Lacrosse invitational up in Bel Air. And S2S got beat by FCA in the semis. FCA won a close game in the finals against a True National team.

You never know what's going to happen on the field. There's a reason they play the games.

Look at the FCA roster for this: 2 kids from Texas, another from GA, DE, PA This is not the HARCO Md team, rather a pre-freshman class Calvert Hall team. I feel for the kids who played all season and now have to watch ringers play. At least they got a medal to wear in the pictures.

Sorry, this was the 2022 team that also won. My bad

I think you may be referring to the Team 91 2022 roster.......who would have thought a MM team would do such a thing?

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/team/t91/19

The Top 4 scorers are from another state than MD ! Six out of the Top Nine scorers are from another state ! That is Hilarious !

Shouldnt they call themselves something different than Team 91 MD..

Anyone go to the Blackwolf camp (tryouts) today? Is the talent level as good as it has been? BW is not for everyone, but while I don’t like the guy I concede he does pull in some amazing players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone go to the Blackwolf camp (tryouts) today? Is the talent level as good as it has been? BW is not for everyone, but while I don’t like the guy I concede he does pull in some amazing players.

Did get players. Little talent this year. Rejects from other teams. No DCE NL or DC dogs kids there good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone go to the Blackwolf camp (tryouts) today? Is the talent level as good as it has been? BW is not for everyone, but while I don’t like the guy I concede he does pull in some amazing players.

Did get players. Little talent this year. Rejects from other teams. No DCE NL or DC dogs kids there good luck.

There were several kids with green and black helmets I could not tell from a distance but I think several Hawks players were at the BW camp.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone go to the Blackwolf camp (tryouts) today? Is the talent level as good as it has been? BW is not for everyone, but while I don’t like the guy I concede he does pull in some amazing players.

Did get players. Little talent this year. Rejects from other teams. No DCE NL or DC dogs kids there good luck.

There were several kids with green and black helmets I could not tell from a distance but I think several Hawks players were at the BW camp.

Those were Evergreen helmets.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone go to the Blackwolf camp (tryouts) today? Is the talent level as good as it has been? BW is not for everyone, but while I don’t like the guy I concede he does pull in some amazing players.

Did get players. Little talent this year. Rejects from other teams. No DCE NL or DC dogs kids there good luck.

There were several kids with green and black helmets I could not tell from a distance but I think several Hawks players were at the BW camp.

Those were Evergreen helmets.

Last two posts likely from the clown who likes to have conversations with himself. Anyways, there were kids who start for NL, Cavs, and VLC there. Might have been some Evergreen kids but if so, not many. Numbers down from past years but talent still there. No DC Dogs but that's not unexpected. 2023 BW team will be solid.

Looneys held tryouts and finalized two teams. Did the top team add or lose top talent?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys held tryouts and finalized two teams. Did the top team add or lose top talent?

Lost two starters - one attack and one middie. Both talented kids. Both also brought issues for the team as a team (for somewhat different reasons). They also lost a few other kids who saw playing time. I haven't seen the final roster, but am assuming that Orange added a couple of Loyola kids and perhaps some others - there were a lot of kids at the one tryout I saw.

It remains to be seen if the team can replace the losses with kids who can contribute to better overall team play. There's a long time between now and next summer's tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone go to the Blackwolf camp (tryouts) today? Is the talent level as good as it has been? BW is not for everyone, but while I don’t like the guy I concede he does pull in some amazing players.

Did get players. Little talent this year. Rejects from other teams. No DCE NL or DC dogs kids there good luck.

There were several kids with green and black helmets I could not tell from a distance but I think several Hawks players were at the BW camp.

Those were Evergreen helmets.

Last two posts likely from the clown who likes to have conversations with himself. Anyways, there were kids who start for NL, Cavs, and VLC there. Might have been some Evergreen kids but if so, not many. Numbers down from past years but talent still there. No DC Dogs but that's not unexpected. 2023 BW team will be solid.

Got it thanks, the BW combo 23/24 team will have some Cav/Evergreen and NL VLC 24's who may or may not be starters/ Thanks for the info scoop.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys held tryouts and finalized two teams. Did the top team add or lose top talent?

Lost two starters - one attack and one middie. Both talented kids. Both also brought issues for the team as a team (for somewhat different reasons). They also lost a few other kids who saw playing time. I haven't seen the final roster, but am assuming that Orange added a couple of Loyola kids and perhaps some others - there were a lot of kids at the one tryout I saw.

It remains to be seen if the team can replace the losses with kids who can contribute to better overall team play. There's a long time between now and next summer's tournaments.

This sounds like a coach with first hand knowledge of this..... Why would a Looneys coach comment about kids on this forum?? Classy!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys held tryouts and finalized two teams. Did the top team add or lose top talent?

Lost two starters - one attack and one middie. Both talented kids. Both also brought issues for the team as a team (for somewhat different reasons). They also lost a few other kids who saw playing time. I haven't seen the final roster, but am assuming that Orange added a couple of Loyola kids and perhaps some others - there were a lot of kids at the one tryout I saw.

It remains to be seen if the team can replace the losses with kids who can contribute to better overall team play. There's a long time between now and next summer's tournaments.

This sounds like a coach with first hand knowledge of this..... Why would a Looneys coach comment about kids on this forum?? Classy!

Most likely a typical pot stirring crazy Looney's 2023 parent...... You think this is bad you should hear them talk about other peoples kids during games.....Crazy parents...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This sounds like a coach with first hand knowledge of this.....

Or not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looneys held tryouts and finalized two teams. Did the top team add or lose top talent?

Lost two starters - one attack and one middie. Both talented kids. Both also brought issues for the team as a team (for somewhat different reasons). They also lost a few other kids who saw playing time. I haven't seen the final roster, but am assuming that Orange added a couple of Loyola kids and perhaps some others - there were a lot of kids at the one tryout I saw.

It remains to be seen if the team can replace the losses with kids who can contribute to better overall team play. There's a long time between now and next summer's tournaments.

This sounds like a coach with first hand knowledge of this..... Why would a Looneys coach comment about kids on this forum?? Classy!

Relax, Could just be a parent who knows the team well. Didnt really say anything except team makeup. I know my sons team makeup. Not that hard to know unless you are clueless

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not that hard to know unless you are clueless

Welcome to the board.

Is Black Wolf a camp or a club team? I have not seen a team in HOCO league and/or at any of the tournaments but have heard them mentioned before on these posts.

They lost or cut 8-9 players from last season. Picked up 1 or 2 decent players, but filled roster with mostly players from B teams. Don't expect improvements in the orange team. I think they flipped 7 last year so way above average turnover at this age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They lost or cut 8-9 players from last season. Picked up 1 or 2 decent players, but filled roster with mostly players from B teams. Don't expect improvements in the orange team. I think they flipped 7 last year so way above average turnover at this age.

What about the new Green turtle team I heard they are taking a few from Looney’s

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They lost or cut 8-9 players from last season. Picked up 1 or 2 decent players, but filled roster with mostly players from B teams. Don't expect improvements in the orange team. I think they flipped 7 last year so way above average turnover at this age.

What about the new Green turtle team I heard they are taking a few from Looney’s

Only one kid as far as I know.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They lost or cut 8-9 players from last season. Picked up 1 or 2 decent players, but filled roster with mostly players from B teams. Don't expect improvements in the orange team. I think they flipped 7 last year so way above average turnover at this age.

Loonies Orange cut some kids who played with them for several years prior so I assume they believe they are making big improvements. They seem to churn a lot of players only to slip further from the top. Hopefully the coaching change will bring improvements - it can only help.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They lost or cut 8-9 players from last season. Picked up 1 or 2 decent players, but filled roster with mostly players from B teams. Don't expect improvements in the orange team. I think they flipped 7 last year so way above average turnover at this age.

Loonies Orange cut some kids who played with them for several years prior so I assume they believe they are making big improvements. They seem to churn a lot of players only to slip further from the top. Hopefully the coaching change will bring improvements - it can only help.

http://www.USCL.com/rankings.html

Now that HoCo league is over where does this team rank. I know the US Club Lax rankings can be way off like DC Express at 30. Where would Looney's be? Top 25, top 30?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They lost or cut 8-9 players from last season. Picked up 1 or 2 decent players, but filled roster with mostly players from B teams. Don't expect improvements in the orange team. I think they flipped 7 last year so way above average turnover at this age.

Loonies Orange cut some kids who played with them for several years prior so I assume they believe they are making big improvements. They seem to churn a lot of players only to slip further from the top. Hopefully the coaching change will bring improvements - it can only help.

http://www.USCL.com/rankings.html

Now that HoCo league is over where does this team rank. I know the US Club Lax rankings can be way off like DC Express at 30. Where would Looney's be? Top 25, top 30?

It’s still daddy ball run by dads and protecting their friends. At 2023 it has been lousy every year for that reason.

Crabs canceled their 2023 tryouts because of vacation schedules? I heard it's because of low sign up numbers. No one wants to play for that fat slob!

Sorry your kid got cut from crabs , but to call a human a fat slob.... come on. It’s a game your 14 year old son plays. Get a life. Thanks someone’s parent and child. Shame on you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs canceled their 2023 tryouts because of vacation schedules? I heard it's because of low sign up numbers. No one wants to play for that fat slob!

Clear case of someone that is upset their son didnt make the Crabs team last year. Passion like this is why the Crabs are one of the Top Clubs in country.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs canceled their 2023 tryouts because of vacation schedules? I heard it's because of low sign up numbers. No one wants to play for that fat slob!

Highly unlikely that they will not field a team. Few kids are switching teams at the Elite level heading into HS. If they are missing key players no need to waste the time. At this level tryouts are about adding one or two key pieces and you want to see how they do v the existing team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry your kid got cut from crabs , but to call a human a fat slob.... come on. It’s a game your 14 year old son plays. Get a life. Thanks someone’s parent and child. Shame on you

14???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs canceled their 2023 tryouts because of vacation schedules? I heard it's because of low sign up numbers. No one wants to play for that fat slob!

Who's watching the manure pit while you're at the YMCA is loserville posting absolute nonsense online - even worse about tryouts for an 8th grade team?...LOL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs canceled their 2023 tryouts because of vacation schedules? I heard it's because of low sign up numbers. No one wants to play for that fat slob!

Highly unlikely that they will not field a team. Few kids are switching teams at the Elite level heading into HS. If they are missing key players no need to waste the time. At this level tryouts are about adding one or two key pieces and you want to see how they do v the existing team.

Don't forget the 23s that are reclassing!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs canceled their 2023 tryouts because of vacation schedules? I heard it's because of low sign up numbers. No one wants to play for that fat slob!

Highly unlikely that they will not field a team. Few kids are switching teams at the Elite level heading into HS. If they are missing key players no need to waste the time. At this level tryouts are about adding one or two key pieces and you want to see how they do v the existing team.

Don't forget the 23s that are reclassing!

How about the fact that King Crab has decided to stay with the 23s through high school because all of the younger teams are so bad that he wouldn't be able to handle coaching them. Further proves that the crabs don't develop players, they just reclass them and win because they are older.

Anyone have any insight to Prostart?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs canceled their 2023 tryouts because of vacation schedules? I heard it's because of low sign up numbers. No one wants to play for that fat slob!

Highly unlikely that they will not field a team. Few kids are switching teams at the Elite level heading into HS. If they are missing key players no need to waste the time. At this level tryouts are about adding one or two key pieces and you want to see how they do v the existing team.

Don't forget the 23s that are reclassing!

How about the fact that King Crab has decided to stay with the 23s through high school because all of the younger teams are so bad that he wouldn't be able to handle coaching them. Further proves that the crabs don't develop players, they just reclass them and win because they are older.

Is this true Crabs 23 parents?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have any insight to Prostart?

Solid coaching

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs canceled their 2023 tryouts because of vacation schedules? I heard it's because of low sign up numbers. No one wants to play for that fat slob!

Highly unlikely that they will not field a team. Few kids are switching teams at the Elite level heading into HS. If they are missing key players no need to waste the time. At this level tryouts are about adding one or two key pieces and you want to see how they do v the existing team.

Don't forget the 23s that are reclassing!

How about the fact that King Crab has decided to stay with the 23s through high school because all of the younger teams are so bad that he wouldn't be able to handle coaching them. Further proves that the crabs don't develop players, they just reclass them and win because they are older.

Is this true Crabs 23 parents?

100% True that he is coaching the 23's through HS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs canceled their 2023 tryouts because of vacation schedules? I heard it's because of low sign up numbers. No one wants to play for that fat slob!

Highly unlikely that they will not field a team. Few kids are switching teams at the Elite level heading into HS. If they are missing key players no need to waste the time. At this level tryouts are about adding one or two key pieces and you want to see how they do v the existing team.

Don't forget the 23s that are reclassing!

How about the fact that King Crab has decided to stay with the 23s through high school because all of the younger teams are so bad that he wouldn't be able to handle coaching them. Further proves that the crabs don't develop players, they just reclass them and win because they are older.

Is this true Crabs 23 parents?

100% True that he is coaching the 23's through HS.

Last good recruiting class left in Crabs. .Org stinks

Reclassing help needed! How do I go about reclassing my 2023? He is a solid player and could be dominant with another year under his belt. My issue is he is currently an excellent student in advanced classes. Is it possible for him to be classed 2024 while taking predominantly 2023 classes? I want him to get ahead in lacrosse, but not go backwards in key academic subjects. What schools should we talk to?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Reclassing help needed! How do I go about reclassing my 2023? He is a solid player and could be dominant with another year under his belt. My issue is he is currently an excellent student in advanced classes. Is it possible for him to be classed 2024 while taking predominantly 2023 classes? I want him to get ahead in lacrosse, but not go backwards in key academic subjects. What schools should we talk to?

Private schools are in your future. Classes aren't based on grade as much as level Hold him back and continue on your track with Math, English, etc. 12th grade he can dual enroll or ???

You will be in elite company and your player will be a better player without doing a thing except saying he is back a grade . What a world !.

Fake

Reclass is hopes of getting a lax scholarship.......12 scholarships per team 45 kids on a team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Reclass is hopes of getting a lax scholarship.......12 scholarships per team 45 kids on a team.

But all the Craba kids won’t go to the same college team. They will spread out and each get one of the 12.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Reclass is hopes of getting a lax scholarship.......12 scholarships per team 45 kids on a team.

But all the Craba kids won’t go to the same college team. They will spread out and each get one of the 12.

Ha. You think they give out full scholarships in lacrosse? if they get one it will be 1/4 of one of 12.

Of course they do.... Navy, Army all give full rides to the entire team. If we all focused on academics all of our kids would get scholarships.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Reclass is hopes of getting a lax scholarship.......12 scholarships per team 45 kids on a team.

But all the Craba kids won’t go to the same college team. They will spread out and each get one of the 12.

Ha. You think they give out full scholarships in lacrosse? if they get one it will be 1/4 of one of 12.

Privileged families want the bragging rights not the money. Remember they all do an extra year of private school at $25,000.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fake

Nothing Fake about it. Private Schools in Balt let in reclass players all the time.

Is Prostart the company South River is partnering (or whatever) with to rework their program?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Reclass is hopes of getting a lax scholarship.......12 scholarships per team 45 kids on a team.

But all the Craba kids won’t go to the same college team. They will spread out and each get one of the 12.

Ha. You think they give out full scholarships in lacrosse? if they get one it will be 1/4 of one of 12.

Privileged families want the bragging rights not the money. Remember they all do an extra year of private school at $25,000.

$25K a year?? laughable! is the school in the middle of a ghetto? what sort of wacky private school is this??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fake

Nothing Fake about it. Private Schools in Balt let in reclass players all the time.

It's been happening for decades all over and Lacrosse as a sport is late to that game even though everyone seems to think they started it...lol.

You want to complain about double, triple re-classed kids. Go moan on the Football, Basketball and Hockey forums.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Prostart the company South River is partnering (or whatever) with to rework their program?

Nice people... good kids... below average lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fake

Nothing Fake about it. Private Schools in Balt let in reclass players all the time.

It's been happening for decades all over and Lacrosse as a sport is late to that game even though everyone seems to think they started it...lol.

You want to complain about double, triple re-classed kids. Go moan on the Football, Basketball and Hockey forums.

Hardly. Hockey is age based now. BB AU is age based at younger ages, Football has age weight..not grade based ..
...All have some issues with grade, but lacrosse is the poster child for what is wrong with grade based teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Prostart the company South River is partnering (or whatever) with to rework their program?

Nice people... good kids... below average lacrosse.

Prostart is an update to the old Snappers club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Privileged families want the bragging rights not the money. Remember they all do an extra year of private school at $25,000.

You win biggest dou•••••• award. Not all lacrosse playing private school families are privileged ones. Some parents work two jobs in order to pay that tuition(add expensive club dues into that mix too). Some don’t get to go on vacation because every penny goes towards tuition, because their kid’s academic future, not their lacrosse one, is that important.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Privileged families want the bragging rights not the money. Remember they all do an extra year of private school at $25,000.

You win biggest dou•••••• award. Not all lacrosse playing private school families are privileged ones. Some parents work two jobs in order to pay that tuition(add expensive club dues into that mix too). Some don’t get to go on vacation because every penny goes towards tuition, because their kid’s academic future, not their lacrosse one, is that important.

You clearly failed reading comprehension. The OP specifically referred to a subset for private school families - those privileged families who holdback their kid and prioritize the bragging rights of a college scholarship over the extra cost of another year of private school or the small college scholarship. The OP did not say all private school families. So go away clown.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Privileged families want the bragging rights not the money. Remember they all do an extra year of private school at $25,000.

You win biggest dou•••••• award. Not all lacrosse playing private school families are privileged ones. Some parents work two jobs in order to pay that tuition(add expensive club dues into that mix too). Some don’t get to go on vacation because every penny goes towards tuition, because their kid’s academic future, not their lacrosse one, is that important.

You clearly failed reading comprehension. The OP specifically referred to a subset for private school families - those privileged families who holdback their kid and prioritize the bragging rights of a college scholarship over the extra cost of another year of private school or the small college scholarship. The OP did not say all private school families. So go away clown.

Maybe the clown was trying to state that not all holdbacks are privileged. Either way, a good point was made.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Privileged families want the bragging rights not the money. Remember they all do an extra year of private school at $25,000.

You win biggest dou•••••• award. Not all lacrosse playing private school families are privileged ones. Some parents work two jobs in order to pay that tuition(add expensive club dues into that mix too). Some don’t get to go on vacation because every penny goes towards tuition, because their kid’s academic future, not their lacrosse one, is that important.

You clearly failed reading comprehension. The OP specifically referred to a subset for private school families - those privileged families who holdback their kid and prioritize the bragging rights of a college scholarship over the extra cost of another year of private school or the small college scholarship. The OP did not say all private school families. So go away clown.

Maybe the clown was trying to state that not all holdbacks are privileged. Either way, a good point was made.

You must have attended the same school he did. The OP did not state that all holdbacks are privileged. You guys must have bombed reading comprehension.

Most teams have completed tryouts or at least had one. What are the surprises? Any teams riding at 2023? Amy making a comeback? Any major shift of players from one team to another?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most teams have completed tryouts or at least had one. What are the surprises? Any teams riding at 2023? Amy making a comeback? Any major shift of players from one team to another?

The Hawks, Crabs, and DC Dogs are all riding (motorcycles) and driving cars as they got the license this summer, I am not sure who Amy is but if she is a greasy Looney mom no she is not making a comeback, I think Rock and Breakers switched all the players with each other.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most teams have completed tryouts or at least had one. What are the surprises? Any teams riding at 2023? Amy making a comeback? Any major shift of players from one team to another?

The Hawks, Crabs, and DC Dogs are all riding (motorcycles) and driving cars as they got the license this summer, I am not sure who Amy is but if she is a greasy Looney mom no she is not making a comeback, I think Rock and Breakers switched all the players with each other.

Although this is, for the most part, an anonymous form, and the monitors say all reply's are monitored, yet here it is again, people (if you want to call them that) are making really out of line comments referring to Looney moms as greasy etc. And inferring that their players are driving etc. How f'in pathetic is this. This is suppose to be about lacrosse and now teams are performing, the outlook for the future etc. Yet, it continues with the a holes making really nasty comments and the monitors just letting it slip right through and get posted. Seems that the monitors need to grow a pair and stop this garbage, unless they really feel it is appropriate and funny.

I doubt this will be posted, will be really surprised if it is and if it isn't, I don't really give a garbage. this form is really going down the crapper quickly. Yep, monitors' I'm talking about you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most teams have completed tryouts or at least had one. What are the surprises? Any teams riding at 2023? Amy making a comeback? Any major shift of players from one team to another?

The Hawks, Crabs, and DC Dogs are all riding (motorcycles) and driving cars as they got the license this summer, I am not sure who Amy is but if she is a greasy Looney mom no she is not making a comeback, I think Rock and Breakers switched all the players with each other.

Although this is, for the most part, an anonymous form, and the monitors say all reply's are monitored, yet here it is again, people (if you want to call them that) are making really out of line comments referring to Looney moms as greasy etc. And inferring that their players are driving etc. How f'in pathetic is this. This is suppose to be about lacrosse and now teams are performing, the outlook for the future etc. Yet, it continues with the a holes making really nasty comments and the monitors just letting it slip right through and get posted. Seems that the monitors need to grow a pair and stop this garbage, unless they really feel it is appropriate and funny.

I doubt this will be posted, will be really surprised if it is and if it isn't, I don't really give a garbage. this form is really going down the crapper quickly. Yep, monitors' I'm talking about you.

Relax Francis. I think "Amy " is referring to the misspelled word "any " ?? Its obvious to most people that the guy who wrote the whole tirade is a jealous person who son cant compete for any place on a top team. It looks like by his remarks even the Breakers and Rick wont have him. No question his son got cut from Looney's at one time. Now he is all bitter. Which makes his remarks funny and juvenile to the majority.

Plus it is off season and we need some entertainment, and who not to entertain us, but a parent who wanted to live his life thru his son, but his son just couldnt make Looneys or any other club and his father's dream come true. So feel sorry for the poor dad as his dreams go down the toilet, and laugh at him as he goes on his silly rants . Poor Dad probably hugs his old lacrosse stick every night as he cries himself to sleep, thinking, what could have been !