Boys 2022 - 8th Grade Fall 2017/Summer 2018 - US Lacrosse Community Forum

It's the start of the Fall 2017/Summer 2018 season. Use this thread for your posts regarding this age group

18-6. Never forget.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

18-6. Never forget.

10-4 you either

Will the Dbags lose more games in 1 weekend then than the Hawks do all year like last year?

I cannot believe this is how the forum is starting. Nether one of your programs is that important

Knock it off you guys... these are kids teams not the NBA... you dads have nothing to do with the outcomes of the boys lacrosse games or raising each others children. Move on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will the Dbags lose more games in 1 weekend then than the Hawks do all year like last year?

What a pathetic individual you are to call a youth lacrosse team Dbags. Notice I didn't call you a human being, you are waaay below that.

Diamondbacks rank 3rd in the country Hawks not even rank ...bottom line

The sad thing is the Hawks are calling the Diamondbacks players to come play for the Hawks . They could take your sons position

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will the Dbags lose more games in 1 weekend then than the Hawks do all year like last year?

What a pathetic individual you are to call a youth lacrosse team Dbags. Notice I didn't call you a human being, you are waaay below that.

Thanks Craig. Notice I didn't call you coach because you are waaay below that.
18-6
10-3

Another year of these two hammerheads going back and forth about the Hawks and Diamondbacks! Keep making Anne Arundel County proud you d-nozzles.

Hawks choke couldn't get it done cheating in the last tournament ... face off guy cheating ... 10-4

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will the Dbags lose more games in 1 weekend then than the Hawks do all year like last year?

What a pathetic individual you are to call a youth lacrosse team Dbags. Notice I didn't call you a human being, you are waaay below that.

Thanks Craig. Notice I didn't call you coach because you are waaay below that.
18-6
10-3

. Sorry bud but I'm not Craig, not even associated with either team but..... I'm not calling you an idiot simply because you are waaaaay below an idiot. You seem to be an immature POS, that simple.

Is it possible this year that if you call out a kid or a specific team that you post your name

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Diamondbacks rank 3rd in the country Hawks not even rank ...bottom line

Sounds like a legitimate poll to me.

Definitely only 2 teams in the country better than Diamondbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Knock it off you guys... these are kids teams not the NBA... you dads have nothing to do with the outcomes of the boys lacrosse games or raising each others children. Move on.

Unless they are the coaches on the sidelines.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Diamondbacks rank 3rd in the country Hawks not even rank ...bottom line

Sounds like a legitimate poll to me.

Definitely only 2 teams in the country better than Diamondbacks.

You are correct, but the two that are better are both girls teams.

There is no national ranking for any any team. Get a life.

Just because you are older, doesn't mean your better.

Igloo and express and they are younger the best teams World Series champs and 2022 national champs says it all

As a parent of a high school Jr. This thread cracks me up. No one on here will care one bit about your teams rankings in 12 months. You will all be locked into your sons high school team and the depth chart. And when you show back up for summer ball you will only care about what college coaches will be watching my son and can he play D1,2,or 3

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is no national ranking for any any team. Get a life.

You need to tell inside lacrosse then, because they are posting one on their site.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As a parent of a high school Jr. This thread cracks me up. No one on here will care one bit about your teams rankings in 12 months. You will all be locked into your sons high school team and the depth chart. And when you show back up for summer ball you will only care about what college coaches will be watching my son and can he play D1,2,or 3

As the parent of a college sophomore, I laugh at your concerns about high school depth chart and recruiting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As a parent of a high school Jr. This thread cracks me up. No one on here will care one bit about your teams rankings in 12 months. You will all be locked into your sons high school team and the depth chart. And when you show back up for summer ball you will only care about what college coaches will be watching my son and can he play D1,2,or 3

As the parent of a college sophomore, I laugh at your concerns about high school depth chart and recruiting.

See you think you are funny but you are not smart enough to follow the structure of the post. You did not list the things you are worrying about with a college soph. So make a note, if I am going to try and be funny complete the act and not do it half as s .

As someone who has seen it all (played, coached at almost every level not pro, dad), when your oldest is in rec, assuming he's good enough you want him to play up for a very good team and a great position coach: when he moves into high school, the depth chart and recruiting becomes paramount (until the new rule it started in freshman year). Assuming he got into a good academic college (that's the biggest reason they play lacrosse in our family), then you worry about his education/career aka grades, good internships and a viable major. Lacrosse is only an option if he's killing it in school. You get more mellow the more you go through this process (with each kid). Less about lacrosse and more about, are we raising a well adjusted young man who is a good person and can support himself and his family financially.

Thank you for inserting an educated post! Finally someone who cares about a well adjusted person & not just 8th grade club lacrosse!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thank you for inserting an educated post! Finally someone who cares about a well adjusted person & not just 8th grade club lacrosse!

Thanks dad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As a parent of a high school Jr. This thread cracks me up. No one on here will care one bit about your teams rankings in 12 months. You will all be locked into your sons high school team and the depth chart. And when you show back up for summer ball you will only care about what college coaches will be watching my son and can he play D1,2,or 3

As the parent of a college sophomore, I laugh at your concerns about high school depth chart and recruiting.

You didnt laugh when your child was at this grade. But it is always nice to look back and think you were superior.

Duke's did another beat down today to Long Island Express 10-3 . Hawks was 10-4 ....

How many boys from MD went to Hofstra this weekend to try out for the Dukes National Team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Duke's did another beat down today to Long Island Express 10-3 . Hawks was 10-4 ....

It was 12-3

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many boys from MD went to Hofstra this weekend to try out for the Dukes National Team?

Around 15

So less than 20 kids showed up for 91 tryouts. And a bunch of kids have left again including 2 coaches and their sons.

What is going on there?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Duke's did another beat down today to Long Island Express 10-3 . Hawks was 10-4 ....

It was 12-3

So what? It is 8th grade lacrosse and it is irrelevant. What recruiting tournaments are 2022 Dukes Nationals team gonna play in when the boys are in 9th and 10th grade? Answer is zero. All of the best clubs play in the same recruiting tourneys. You think a kid from Crabs, Team 91, or better yet the Dukes HS team is gonna be allowed to play for DN in the same tourney? But hey, keeping track of 8th grade lacrosse scores is thing to do now I guess

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So less than 20 kids showed up for 91 tryouts. And a bunch of kids have left again including 2 coaches and their sons.

What is going on there?

Bad weekend for tryouts.

People on vacations.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Duke's did another beat down today to Long Island Express 10-3 . Hawks was 10-4 ....

It was 12-3

So what? It is 8th grade lacrosse and it is irrelevant. What recruiting tournaments are 2022 Dukes Nationals team gonna play in when the boys are in 9th and 10th grade? Answer is zero. All of the best clubs play in the same recruiting tourneys. You think a kid from Crabs, Team 91, or better yet the Dukes HS team is gonna be allowed to play for DN in the same tourney? But hey, keeping track of 8th grade lacrosse scores is thing to do now I guess

First off, what a [lacrosse]. Secondly, God forbid that a bunch of really good players get together once a month and actually have fun playing together. Their minicamps are a great 3 hours of lacrosse and worth the small fee alone. And to be able to step on the field and win against the teams they play without real practices is a testament to those kids and coaches. Stop hating on these kids. You have no idea what tournaments they will play in come high school. There are things in motion to keep these kids together. So you can spout all the nonsense you want Hawks dad. Get used to your beatings.

Any surprises at tryouts this past weekend? Md91 FCA and RR all had first tryouts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So less than 20 kids showed up for 91 tryouts. And a bunch of kids have left again including 2 coaches and their sons.

What is going on there?

They have reached their threshold of crazy MM.

You sound a little pissed your team must lost to them..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many boys from MD went to Hofstra this weekend to try out for the Dukes National Team?

Around 15

What teams were they from?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Duke's did another beat down today to Long Island Express 10-3 . Hawks was 10-4 ....

It was 12-3

So what? It is 8th grade lacrosse and it is irrelevant. What recruiting tournaments are 2022 Dukes Nationals team gonna play in when the boys are in 9th and 10th grade? Answer is zero. All of the best clubs play in the same recruiting tourneys. You think a kid from Crabs, Team 91, or better yet the Dukes HS team is gonna be allowed to play for DN in the same tourney? But hey, keeping track of 8th grade lacrosse scores is thing to do now I guess

First off, what a [lacrosse]. Secondly, God forbid that a bunch of really good players get together once a month and actually have fun playing together. Their minicamps are a great 3 hours of lacrosse and worth the small fee alone. And to be able to step on the field and win against the teams they play without real practices is a testament to those kids and coaches. Stop hating on these kids. You have no idea what tournaments they will play in come high school. There are things in motion to keep these kids together. So you can spout all the nonsense you want Hawks dad. Get used to your beatings.

Not a Hawks dad, but you sir are an [lacrosse].

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So less than 20 kids showed up for 91 tryouts. And a bunch of kids have left again including 2 coaches and their sons.

What is going on there?

Bad weekend for tryouts.

People on vacations.

Nope...people are finally sick of MM and his abusive crazy behavior!

Dukes will roll into HS years just like they do now... Coach Ebe and his group takes them 9-12. Every kid on that 2022 team will have the chance to go on to play in college someday IF that is what they decide they want to do. They will also continue to have opportunities to play with their home clubs and other teams, just like they do now. Its pretty simple... good kids, that CAN play good lacrosse, getting together to play GOOD lacrosse. Kids are property, they are kids. If you don't like the Dukes, don't play for them. Brag if you beat them, and whine when you lose. Its your life pal. Today, and right now, that is one heck of group of kids and one heck of a talented lacrosse team.

* typo, kids are NOT property...

Your use of capital letters for emphasis is impressive pal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Duke's did another beat down today to Long Island Express 10-3 . Hawks was 10-4 ....

It was 12-3

So what? It is 8th grade lacrosse and it is irrelevant. What recruiting tournaments are 2022 Dukes Nationals team gonna play in when the boys are in 9th and 10th grade? Answer is zero. All of the best clubs play in the same recruiting tourneys. You think a kid from Crabs, Team 91, or better yet the Dukes HS team is gonna be allowed to play for DN in the same tourney? But hey, keeping track of 8th grade lacrosse scores is thing to do now I guess

First off, what a [lacrosse]. Secondly, God forbid that a bunch of really good players get together once a month and actually have fun playing together. Their minicamps are a great 3 hours of lacrosse and worth the small fee alone. And to be able to step on the field and win against the teams they play without real practices is a testament to those kids and coaches. Stop hating on these kids. You have no idea what tournaments they will play in come high school. There are things in motion to keep these kids together. So you can spout all the nonsense you want Hawks dad. Get used to your beatings.

Are the coaches really that great? Sounds like the club coaches have done a good job. How many of the players have grown up through the Dukes program?

I'm not sure I see the point of a Dukes Nationals if you're in Maryland, PA or NY. There are many options with quality coaching and connections for talented players with passion to learn, improve and get recruited in the HS years. I'm not doubting that these guys provide solid instruction at these "camps" and can aggregate some talent for tournament play. But if your kid is on a competitive AA team, he's playing year round as it is. I can't imagine trekking up to Long Island on one of the few summer weekends when the main club is not playing. Only to start the whole thing again with August tryouts. And for NCAA hopefuls in HS, they'll be doing showcases, prospect days, Under Armour tryouts...Burn out is real. I've seen it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Duke's did another beat down today to Long Island Express 10-3 . Hawks was 10-4 ....

It was 12-3

So what? It is 8th grade lacrosse and it is irrelevant. What recruiting tournaments are 2022 Dukes Nationals team gonna play in when the boys are in 9th and 10th grade? Answer is zero. All of the best clubs play in the same recruiting tourneys. You think a kid from Crabs, Team 91, or better yet the Dukes HS team is gonna be allowed to play for DN in the same tourney? But hey, keeping track of 8th grade lacrosse scores is thing to do now I guess

First off, what a [lacrosse]. Secondly, God forbid that a bunch of really good players get together once a month and actually have fun playing together. Their minicamps are a great 3 hours of lacrosse and worth the small fee alone. And to be able to step on the field and win against the teams they play without real practices is a testament to those kids and coaches. Stop hating on these kids. You have no idea what tournaments they will play in come high school. There are things in motion to keep these kids together. So you can spout all the nonsense you want Hawks dad. Get used to your beatings.

Not a Hawks dad, but you sir are an [lacrosse].

Not A Hawk dad either ;API daddies just can't stand it. Having fun is the name of the game. If playing for a team that has the top players from multiple states and rolling over on your year long club team is fun to you then have a blast. Most families with integrity and commitment ride with their main club win or lose. The only way you can beat Hawks, RR, MM, BLC is to teach your kid to jump ship then by all means have fun doing so. Just remember that if any of the top players from those teams decide to play for Dukes your kid will not. Especially at the positions API kids play . Everyone on this site is ecstatic the API kids are having fun finally. They sure do deserve it after a horrific year losing and putting up with their daddies. Same daddies that troll this site and talk [lacrosse] anonymously.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Duke's did another beat down today to Long Island Express 10-3 . Hawks was 10-4 ....

It was 12-3

So what? It is 8th grade lacrosse and it is irrelevant. What recruiting tournaments are 2022 Dukes Nationals team gonna play in when the boys are in 9th and 10th grade? Answer is zero. All of the best clubs play in the same recruiting tourneys. You think a kid from Crabs, Team 91, or better yet the Dukes HS team is gonna be allowed to play for DN in the same tourney? But hey, keeping track of 8th grade lacrosse scores is thing to do now I guess

The math is simple: The Duke's program has been doing this for 20 years at the high school level. The Duke's Nationals youth program follows the same model. The Duke's college recruiting history will speak for itself. As crazy as the college recruiting process is in this era, the college coaches will flock to where the top athletes are FIRST and aggressively. I know that this is a hate blog but just selfishly think about it as a parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Duke's did another beat down today to Long Island Express 10-3 . Hawks was 10-4 ....

It was 12-3

So what? It is 8th grade lacrosse and it is irrelevant. What recruiting tournaments are 2022 Dukes Nationals team gonna play in when the boys are in 9th and 10th grade? Answer is zero. All of the best clubs play in the same recruiting tourneys. You think a kid from Crabs, Team 91, or better yet the Dukes HS team is gonna be allowed to play for DN in the same tourney? But hey, keeping track of 8th grade lacrosse scores is thing to do now I guess

First off, what a [lacrosse]. Secondly, God forbid that a bunch of really good players get together once a month and actually have fun playing together. Their minicamps are a great 3 hours of lacrosse and worth the small fee alone. And to be able to step on the field and win against the teams they play without real practices is a testament to those kids and coaches. Stop hating on these kids. You have no idea what tournaments they will play in come high school. There are things in motion to keep these kids together. So you can spout all the nonsense you want Hawks dad. Get used to your beatings.

Not a Hawks dad, but you sir are an [lacrosse].

Not A Hawk dad either ;API daddies just can't stand it. Having fun is the name of the game. If playing for a team that has the top players from multiple states and rolling over on your year long club team is fun to you then have a blast. Most families with integrity and commitment ride with their main club win or lose. The only way you can beat Hawks, RR, MM, BLC is to teach your kid to jump ship then by all means have fun doing so. Just remember that if any of the top players from those teams decide to play for Dukes your kid will not. Especially at the positions API kids play . Everyone on this site is ecstatic the API kids are having fun finally. They sure do deserve it after a horrific year losing and putting up with their daddies. Same daddies that troll this site and talk [lacrosse] anonymously.

I don't know what your hard on for API is, but there was only one API kid on the Dukes team that beat LI Express Sunday morning.

It was 12-3
[/quote]

So what? It is 8th grade lacrosse and it is irrelevant. What recruiting tournaments are 2022 Dukes Nationals team gonna play in when the boys are in 9th and 10th grade? Answer is zero. All of the best clubs play in the same recruiting tourneys. You think a kid from Crabs, Team 91, or better yet the Dukes HS team is gonna be allowed to play for DN in the same tourney? But hey, keeping track of 8th grade lacrosse scores is thing to do now I guess[/quote]

First off, what a [lacrosse]. Secondly, God forbid that a bunch of really good players get together once a month and actually have fun playing together. Their minicamps are a great 3 hours of lacrosse and worth the small fee alone. And to be able to step on the field and win against the teams they play without real practices is a testament to those kids and coaches. Stop hating on these kids. You have no idea what tournaments they will play in come high school. There are things in motion to keep these kids together. So you can spout all the nonsense you want Hawks dad. Get used to your beatings. [/quote]

Not a Hawks dad, but you sir are an [lacrosse].

[/quote]

Not A Hawk dad either ;API daddies just can't stand it. Having fun is the name of the game. If playing for a team that has the top players from multiple states and rolling over on your year long club team is fun to you then have a blast. Most families with integrity and commitment ride with their main club win or lose. The only way you can beat Hawks, RR, MM, BLC is to teach your kid to jump ship then by all means have fun doing so. Just remember that if any of the top players from those teams decide to play for Dukes your kid will not. Especially at the positions API kids play . Everyone on this site is ecstatic the API kids are having fun finally. They sure do deserve it after a horrific year losing and putting up with their daddies. Same daddies that troll this site and talk [lacrosse] anonymously.[/quote]

I don't know what your hard on for API is, but there was only one API kid on the Dukes team that beat LI Express Sunday morning.[/quote]

not true

As a parents of a kid who plays on DN it's extra lacrosse for him. Been playing for DN now almost 2 years. Been to just about every minicamp and tournament. Philly,Boston,Connecticut,Maryland,NY Long Island etc. The team does change from tournament to tournament but there is a core group of kids that has not. Don't put to much into the travel line BS. It's not follow by the coaches. My kid has been ranked 1 and low as 6 and still is on the travel line somewhere in between. I have seen kids come in and start that have never been to a minicamp. It is what it is. Most know that going into it. Minicamps are good. Tournaments are ok. Not for everyone if you want to travel meet and play with new kids check it out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not A Hawk dad either ;API daddies just can't stand it. Having fun is the name of the game. If playing for a team that has the top players from multiple states and rolling over on your year long club team is fun to you then have a blast. Most families with integrity and commitment ride with their main club win or lose. The only way you can beat Hawks, RR, MM, BLC is to teach your kid to jump ship then by all means have fun doing so. Just remember that if any of the top players from those teams decide to play for Dukes your kid will not. Especially at the positions API kids play . Everyone on this site is ecstatic the API kids are having fun finally. They sure do deserve it after a horrific year losing and putting up with their daddies. Same daddies that troll this site and talk [lacrosse] anonymously.

I don't know what your hard on for API is, but there was only one API kid on the Dukes team that beat LI Express Sunday morning.[/quote]

not true
[/quote]

It's 100% true. While there are other Dbacks players that come to Dukes events, there was only one playing on Sunday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not A Hawk dad either ;API daddies just can't stand it. Having fun is the name of the game. If playing for a team that has the top players from multiple states and rolling over on your year long club team is fun to you then have a blast. Most families with integrity and commitment ride with their main club win or lose. The only way you can beat Hawks, RR, MM, BLC is to teach your kid to jump ship then by all means have fun doing so. Just remember that if any of the top players from those teams decide to play for Dukes your kid will not. Especially at the positions API kids play . Everyone on this site is ecstatic the API kids are having fun finally. They sure do deserve it after a horrific year losing and putting up with their daddies. Same daddies that troll this site and talk [lacrosse] anonymously.

I don't know what your hard on for API is, but there was only one API kid on the Dukes team that beat LI Express Sunday morning.

not true
[/quote]

It's 100% true. While there are other Dbacks players that come to Dukes events, there was only one playing on Sunday.[/quote]

They didn't want them? Bring down the team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not A Hawk dad either ;API daddies just can't stand it. Having fun is the name of the game. If playing for a team that has the top players from multiple states and rolling over on your year long club team is fun to you then have a blast. Most families with integrity and commitment ride with their main club win or lose. The only way you can beat Hawks, RR, MM, BLC is to teach your kid to jump ship then by all means have fun doing so. Just remember that if any of the top players from those teams decide to play for Dukes your kid will not. Especially at the positions API kids play . Everyone on this site is ecstatic the API kids are having fun finally. They sure do deserve it after a horrific year losing and putting up with their daddies. Same daddies that troll this site and talk [lacrosse] anonymously.

I don't know what your hard on for API is, but there was only one API kid on the Dukes team that beat LI Express Sunday morning.

not true

It's 100% true. While there are other Dbacks players that come to Dukes events, there was only one playing on Sunday.[/quote]

They didn't want them? Bring down the team?
[/quote]

Or maybe it was because it was on Long Island on the first weekend of August and not everyone could make it.

This all started when the Hawks dad decided to talk crap about API by implying that Dukes mainly made up of API kids. This may have been the case a year ago but isn't anymore. There are some more changes coming to the Dukes team in the near future as well so things will continue to evolve.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not A Hawk dad either ;API daddies just can't stand it. Having fun is the name of the game. If playing for a team that has the top players from multiple states and rolling over on your year long club team is fun to you then have a blast. Most families with integrity and commitment ride with their main club win or lose. The only way you can beat Hawks, RR, MM, BLC is to teach your kid to jump ship then by all means have fun doing so. Just remember that if any of the top players from those teams decide to play for Dukes your kid will not. Especially at the positions API kids play . Everyone on this site is ecstatic the API kids are having fun finally. They sure do deserve it after a horrific year losing and putting up with their daddies. Same daddies that troll this site and talk [lacrosse] anonymously.

I don't know what your hard on for API is, but there was only one API kid on the Dukes team that beat LI Express Sunday morning.

not true
[/quote]

It's 100% true. While there are other Dbacks players that come to Dukes events, there was only one playing on Sunday.[/quote]

were the rest still tired from the flight

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not A Hawk dad either ;API daddies just can't stand it. Having fun is the name of the game. If playing for a team that has the top players from multiple states and rolling over on your year long club team is fun to you then have a blast. Most families with integrity and commitment ride with their main club win or lose. The only way you can beat Hawks, RR, MM, BLC is to teach your kid to jump ship then by all means have fun doing so. Just remember that if any of the top players from those teams decide to play for Dukes your kid will not. Especially at the positions API kids play . Everyone on this site is ecstatic the API kids are having fun finally. They sure do deserve it after a horrific year losing and putting up with their daddies. Same daddies that troll this site and talk [lacrosse] anonymously.

I don't know what your hard on for API is, but there was only one API kid on the Dukes team that beat LI Express Sunday morning.

not true

It's 100% true. While there are other Dbacks players that come to Dukes events, there was only one playing on Sunday.

They didn't want them? Bring down the team?
[/quote]

Or maybe it was because it was on Long Island on the first weekend of August and not everyone could make it.

This all started when the Hawks dad decided to talk crap about API by implying that Dukes mainly made up of API kids. This may have been the case a year ago but isn't anymore. There are some more changes coming to the Dukes team in the near future as well so things will continue to evolve.[/quote]

It actually started when you and your low life daddies started talking [lacrosse] about the Hawks program and calling out players. Everyone on this site can attest to that. Just remember that who you might think is a certain club parent could very well be someone else. However you make it clear who you are and just how bitter you are. You guys really sold out API and Arden.What will you do if the top players from other teams start playing for Dukes and your son no longer has a spot. Oh wait, we all know the answer?
Talk [lacrosse] on an anynomous site while being a snake on the sidelines.

The Dukes 2022 are nothing without the Koopers 2021 players.

Again with the Hawks/API nonsense? Can we start a Hawks/API thread so these 2 groups of moronic parents can stop hijacking every topic on this thread. FFS!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes 2022 are nothing without the Koopers 2021 players.

Who are 2022 kids. What's your point?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes 2022 are nothing without the Koopers 2021 players.

Who are 2022 kids. What's your point?

Not on-age 2022 kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes 2022 are nothing without the Koopers 2021 players.

Who are 2022 kids. What's your point?

Not on-age 2022 kids.

Whatever. There are fewer holdbacks on the Dukes 2022 team than on Crabs, FCA or Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes 2022 are nothing without the Koopers 2021 players.

Who are 2022 kids. What's your point?

Not on-age 2022 kids.

Whatever. There are fewer holdbacks on the Dukes 2022 team than on Crabs, FCA or Hawks.

That is flat out a lie!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes 2022 are nothing without the Koopers 2021 players.

Who are 2022 kids. What's your point?

Not on-age 2022 kids.

Whatever. There are fewer holdbacks on the Dukes 2022 team than on Crabs, FCA or Hawks.

That is just pure BS, yep simply BS. The only team that comes close to Dukes 2022 in holdbacks is Hawks. Wait until next season, or maybe this fall when Hawks has quite a few 2021's dropping down to 2022. Hawks is going all in on loading teams with older kids. Known fact throughout the lax community.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes 2022 are nothing without the Koopers 2021 players.

Who are 2022 kids. What's your point?

Not on-age 2022 kids.

Whatever. There are fewer holdbacks on the Dukes 2022 team than on Crabs, FCA or Hawks.

That is just pure BS, yep simply BS. The only team that comes close to Dukes 2022 in holdbacks is Hawks. Wait until next season, or maybe this fall when Hawks has quite a few 2021's dropping down to 2022. Hawks is going all in on loading teams with older kids. Known fact throughout the lax community.

you are lying

So who will be the most improved team this year and what team drops off?

Great question? All the HOCO elite teams should try to find one tournament that they go to so there could be a gage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes 2022 are nothing without the Koopers 2021 players.

Who are 2022 kids. What's your point?

Not on-age 2022 kids.

Whatever. There are fewer holdbacks on the Dukes 2022 team than on Crabs, FCA or Hawks.

That is just pure BS, yep simply BS. The only team that comes close to Dukes 2022 in holdbacks is Hawks. Wait until next season, or maybe this fall when Hawks has quite a few 2021's dropping down to 2022. Hawks is going all in on loading teams with older kids. Known fact throughout the lax community.

you are lying

Sorry to bust your bubble but it is true about Hawks. They will soon become the leader of holdbacks, look no further than their 2022 team this fall or their 2020 team. Just own up to it and stop the denial, no one is buying your denials.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes 2022 are nothing without the Koopers 2021 players.

Who are 2022 kids. What's your point?

Not on-age 2022 kids.

Whatever. There are fewer holdbacks on the Dukes 2022 team than on Crabs, FCA or Hawks.

That is just pure BS, yep simply BS. The only team that comes close to Dukes 2022 in holdbacks is Hawks. Wait until next season, or maybe this fall when Hawks has quite a few 2021's dropping down to 2022. Hawks is going all in on loading teams with older kids. Known fact throughout the lax community.

you are lying

You really don't know the lacrosse landscape if you think the Hawks are leaders in holdbacks. The Baltimore teams (Crabs, FCA, Looneys, etc) and Bethesda clubs (DC Ecpress, Madlax) have at least twice as many holdbacks as Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So who will be the most improved team this year and what team drops off?

1st week of tryouts
- poor attendance at 91MD (Texas attendance many have been higher to offset)
- strong attendance at RR (six 91MD helmets spotted)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes 2022 are nothing without the Koopers 2021 players.

Who are 2022 kids. What's your point?

Not on-age 2022 kids.

Whatever. There are fewer holdbacks on the Dukes 2022 team than on Crabs, FCA or Hawks.

That is just pure BS, yep simply BS. The only team that comes close to Dukes 2022 in holdbacks is Hawks. Wait until next season, or maybe this fall when Hawks has quite a few 2021's dropping down to 2022. Hawks is going all in on loading teams with older kids. Known fact throughout the lax community.

You are STUPID. Already looking for an excuse for the coming season. Too funny

If a player turns 14 Aug 11th, does that make him a hold back?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes 2022 are nothing without the Koopers 2021 players.

Who are 2022 kids. What's your point?

Not on-age 2022 kids.

Whatever. There are fewer holdbacks on the Dukes 2022 team than on Crabs, FCA or Hawks.

That is just pure BS, yep simply BS. The only team that comes close to Dukes 2022 in holdbacks is Hawks. Wait until next season, or maybe this fall when Hawks has quite a few 2021's dropping down to 2022. Hawks is going all in on loading teams with older kids. Known fact throughout the lax community.

You are STUPID. Already looking for an excuse for the coming season. Too funny

No excuses needed. These teams, Hawks, FCA, crabs, Bethesda, etc... play in the 2022 graduation year league and tournaments. No one is breaking rules (unless there are upcoming 2021s playing on 2022 teams), so enough with the crying about hold backs. If your moral high road doesn't agree with the graduation year model, then have your son play in only age based leagues and tournaments. And if you don't think you can find any, grab the situational bull and start one. With all the crying about hold backs on these links, I am sure you will have to beat the kids and teams away.

Yep, the Hawks will practically be a 2021 team this year from what I hear

Not stupid at all. Why would they announce coaches for a b team on their website if they didn't have a bunch of older kids ready to bump their currrent a player's down?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes 2022 are nothing without the Koopers 2021 players.

Who are 2022 kids. What's your point?

Not on-age 2022 kids.

Whatever. There are fewer holdbacks on the Dukes 2022 team than on Crabs, FCA or Hawks.

That is just pure BS, yep simply BS. The only team that comes close to Dukes 2022 in holdbacks is Hawks. Wait until next season, or maybe this fall when Hawks has quite a few 2021's dropping down to 2022. Hawks is going all in on loading teams with older kids. Known fact throughout the lax community.

You are STUPID. Already looking for an excuse for the coming season. Too funny

No, you are the stupid one for the usual Hawk dad denial. So dad, just keep with your denial. No one is looking for an excuse for this fall or next season, just putting the truth out there. Live with it and knock off the denial.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not stupid at all. Why would they announce coaches for a b team on their website if they didn't have a bunch of older kids ready to bump their currrent a player's down?

it's actually simple, you count the number of kids trying out at each level and decide if you have enough players for two teams, then you get coaches for a black and green team, that way if kids want to stay in your organization, you aren't scrambling around at the last minute trying to field a second team. the hawks have had two teams at various grades for the past few years, it's nothing new

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So who will be the most improved team this year and what team drops off?

1st week of tryouts
- poor attendance at 91MD (Texas attendance many have been higher to offset)
- strong attendance at RR (six 91MD helmets spotted)

MM is going to have to fly in a lot more kids from Texas and probably the new Team 91 NC this year since he has lost at least 6 of his players and everyone is realizing what a lunatic he is!!!

If you are born before Sept. 1, you should be going into 9 th grade. If you repeated for academic reasons and are still in 8 grade you should be playing up in lacrosse. Pretty simple.

Lots of API helmets spotted at different tryouts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of API helmets spotted at different tryouts.

None at 91 or FCA.

So assuming you mean Roughriders since no one else has had tryouts.

Wow Igloo must have hit a nerve. National Championship backfired on team 91

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are born before Sept. 1, you should be going into 9 th grade. If you repeated for academic reasons and are still in 8 grade you should be playing up in lacrosse. Pretty simple.

True, but a couple points. That describes my son, and we tried to play 2021 but our club wouldn't allow it since it is grade based now. He always played on age until it went grade based.
Also, like it or not, it is best NOW to play 2022 because if not, you won't have spring lacrosse.

No API helmets at RR tryouts. Lots of other helmets

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No API helmets at RR tryouts. Lots of other helmets

So where were all these API helmets? Lax World?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are born before Sept. 1, you should be going into 9 th grade. If you repeated for academic reasons and are still in 8 grade you should be playing up in lacrosse. Pretty simple.

Mensa member: So if you're in 8th grade but should be going into the 9th grade, what private or public school is going to let you play spring lacrosse with them. There are no other 9th grade age rec or club teams that play in the spring. Oh I see, take the spring off and play with your 2021 team in the summer. The number of nitwits posting on these forums multiplies daily. A lot of non-athlete parents living through their kids. Life's not fair, The kids that study at Andover Prep have better teachers than yours, a lot of them are also older, many of them will crush their competition in college because they're better prepared. Welcome to life and stop complaining. By the way if your son was that good you would want him playing up to get better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes 2022 are nothing without the Koopers 2021 players.

Have you seen the DN 2023 Team? 2024 team or 2025 team??? Are they nothing without K21's also?? LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes 2022 are nothing without the Koopers 2021 players.

Have you seen the DN 2023 Team? 2024 team or 2025 team??? Are they nothing without K21's also?? LOL

Those teams are nothing without some of their best players either. So there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are born before Sept. 1, you should be going into 9 th grade. If you repeated for academic reasons and are still in 8 grade you should be playing up in lacrosse. Pretty simple.

Mensa member: So if you're in 8th grade but should be going into the 9th grade, what private or public school is going to let you play spring lacrosse with them. There are no other 9th grade age rec or club teams that play in the spring. Oh I see, take the spring off and play with your 2021 team in the summer. The number of nitwits posting on these forums multiplies daily. A lot of non-athlete parents living through their kids. Life's not fair, The kids that study at Andover Prep have better teachers than yours, a lot of them are also older, many of them will crush their competition in college because they're better prepared. Welcome to life and stop complaining. By the way if your son was that good you would want him playing up to get better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are born before Sept. 1, you should be going into 9 th grade. If you repeated for academic reasons and are still in 8 grade you should be playing up in lacrosse. Pretty simple.

Mensa member: So if you're in 8th grade but should be going into the 9th grade, what private or public school is going to let you play spring lacrosse with them. There are no other 9th grade age rec or club teams that play in the spring. Oh I see, take the spring off and play with your 2021 team in the summer. The number of nitwits posting on these forums multiplies daily. A lot of non-athlete parents living through their kids. Life's not fair, The kids that study at Andover Prep have better teachers than yours, a lot of them are also older, many of them will crush their competition in college because they're better prepared. Welcome to life and stop complaining. By the way if your son was that good you would want him playing up to get better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are born before Sept. 1, you should be going into 9 th grade. If you repeated for academic reasons and are still in 8 mgrade you should be playing up in lacrosse. Pretty simple.

Mensa member: So if you're in 8th grade but should be going into the 9th grade, what private or public school is going to let you play spring lacrosse with them. There are no other 9th grade age rec or club teams that play in the spring. Oh I see, take the spring off and play with your 2021 team in the summer. The number of nitwits posting on these forums multiplies daily. A lot of non-athlete parents living through their kids. Life's not fair, The kids that study at Andover Prep have better teachers than yours, a lot of them are also older, many of them will crush their competition in college because they're better prepared. Welcome to life and stop complaining. By the way if your son was that good you would want him playing up to get better.

Mensa member: ha! The fact that you fail to see the irony in telling me life is not fair after you whine that your overage entitled reclass highly prepared butt kicking Andover Prep son of an athlete won't have anywhere to pway in the spwing because there's no spwing weague for 2021s... 😢😩

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So who will be the most improved team this year and what team drops off?

1st week of tryouts
- poor attendance at 91MD (Texas attendance many have been higher to offset)
- strong attendance at RR (six 91MD helmets spotted)

MM is going to have to fly in a lot more kids from Texas and probably the new Team 91 NC this year since he has lost at least 6 of his players and everyone is realizing what a lunatic he is!!!

I don't believe this to be accurate; the key players that "left' have been upgraded; particularly in Goal and Face Off. The 2022 will be much improved.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So who will be the most improved team this year and what team drops off?

1st week of tryouts
- poor attendance at 91MD (Texas attendance many have been higher to offset)
- strong attendance at RR (six 91MD helmets spotted)

MM is going to have to fly in a lot more kids from Texas and probably the new Team 91 NC this year since he has lost at least 6 of his players and everyone is realizing what a lunatic he is!!!

I don't believe this to be accurate; the key players that "left' have been upgraded; particularly in Goal and Face Off. The 2022 will be much improved.

Thanks Mark. We'll see about that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yep, the Hawks will practically be a 2021 team this year from what I hear

Really? Wow! So Matt Hogan is going to lie and play freshman (2021) on an 8th grade team (2022)? Wow! How disappointing. I wonder what these kids high school coaches will say when they are forgoing JV or Varsity spots to play 8th grade? This has disaster written all over it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are born before Sept. 1, you should be going into 9 th grade. If you repeated for academic reasons and are still in 8 grade you should be playing up in lacrosse. Pretty simple.

What if you were born Sept 2 or even Aug 31 ? No repeating or maybe did repeat kindergarten , on the advice from every teacher and well within the rules of all school guidelines and until the middle of last year on board with all lacrosse guidelines. When Lacrosse decides to change the timeline again this year what will everyone be saying then. A few days or even weeks makes such a difference? Calling out all kids and suggesting they are cheaters is deplorable and flat out an excuse for most.
I completely agree that holding back in middle school or high school is a problem, but when almost all your sports is a U11-U13 with a year playing on the younger side a year playing on the older is fair.
For the most part the issue on this site is an excuse for most for why there son is lost a game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So who will be the most improved team this year and what team drops off?

1st week of tryouts
- poor attendance at 91MD (Texas attendance many have been higher to offset)
- strong attendance at RR (six 91MD helmets spotted)

MM is going to have to fly in a lot more kids from Texas and probably the new Team 91 NC this year since he has lost at least 6 of his players and everyone is realizing what a lunatic he is!!!

I don't believe this to be accurate; the key players that "left' have been upgraded; particularly in Goal and Face Off. The 2022 will be much improved.

Thanks Mark. We'll see about that.

Anytime; just informing the uninformed!

All these teams improving where are the players coming from? Some teams most be dropping off.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yep, the Hawks will practically be a 2021 team this year from what I hear

Really? Wow! So Matt Hogan is going to lie and play freshman (2021) on an 8th grade team (2022)? Wow! How disappointing. I wonder what these kids high school coaches will say when they are forgoing JV or Varsity spots to play 8th grade? This has disaster written all over it.

As many as he will have, it will be far less than D.C. express, madlax, fca, and Crabs. Please stop acting like this is the team leading the holdback charge. Either you are ignorant of the entire lacrosse landscape or you have other issues with the Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No API helmets at RR tryouts. Lots of other helmets

API goalie at RR.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So who will be the most improved team this year and what team drops off?

1st week of tryouts
- poor attendance at 91MD (Texas attendance many have been higher to offset)
- strong attendance at RR (six 91MD helmets spotted)

MM is going to have to fly in a lot more kids from Texas and probably the new Team 91 NC this year since he has lost at least 6 of his players and everyone is realizing what a lunatic he is!!!

I don't believe this to be accurate; the key players that "left' have been upgraded; particularly in Goal and Face Off. The 2022 will be much improved.

Thanks Mark. We'll see about that.

Anytime; just informing the uninformed!

The only one uninformed is MM himself. He just doesn't get how much of a SOB he is and how much he is not liked in youth lax. He is a total pos that is only interested in himself and his kid. Doesn't mean crap how much he knows or doesn't know about lax, no one wants to be associated or be around him.
Just trying to keep you informed Mark.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1st week of tryouts
- poor attendance at 91MD (Texas attendance many have been higher to offset)
- strong attendance at RR (six 91MD helmets spotted)

MM is going to have to fly in a lot more kids from Texas and probably the new Team 91 NC this year since he has lost at least 6 of his players and everyone is realizing what a lunatic he is!!!

I don't believe this to be accurate; the key players that "left' have been upgraded; particularly in Goal and Face Off. The 2022 will be much improved.

Thanks Mark. We'll see about that.

Anytime; just informing the uninformed!

The only one uninformed is MM himself. He just doesn't get how much of a SOB he is and how much he is not liked in youth lax. He is a total pos that is only interested in himself and his kid. Doesn't mean crap how much he knows or doesn't know about lax, no one wants to be associated or be around him.
Just trying to keep you informed Mark.

OUCH!! MM is getting a bad reputation..Is there anyone that will stick up for him??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are born before Sept. 1, you should be going into 9 th grade. If you repeated for academic reasons and are still in 8 grade you should be playing up in lacrosse. Pretty simple.

What if you were born Sept 2 or even Aug 31 ? No repeating or maybe did repeat kindergarten , on the advice from every teacher and well within the rules of all school guidelines and until the middle of last year on board with all lacrosse guidelines. When Lacrosse decides to change the timeline again this year what will everyone be saying then. A few days or even weeks makes such a difference? Calling out all kids and suggesting they are cheaters is deplorable and flat out an excuse for most.
I completely agree that holding back in middle school or high school is a problem, but when almost all your sports is a U11-U13 with a year playing on the younger side a year playing on the older is fair.
For the most part the issue on this site is an excuse for most for why there son is lost a game.

No difference in age of a heldback kid and a prefirst kid.. Age is what youth sports goes by in all YOUTH Sports except lacrosse. It may not be right for a small minority of kids to old..but they seemed to survive for 50 years until three to four years ago when the whole grade based garbage got started and let kids play down.

Wow, you seemed to have hit every crazy obsessive branch on the way up the nut tree. How about giving the kids a break. You may like the lacrosse all day every day but your kid will pay in the long run.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So who will be the most improved team this year and what team drops off?

1st week of tryouts
- poor attendance at 91MD (Texas attendance many have been higher to offset)
- strong attendance at RR (six 91MD helmets spotted)

MM is going to have to fly in a lot more kids from Texas and probably the new Team 91 NC this year since he has lost at least 6 of his players and everyone is realizing what a lunatic he is!!!

I don't believe this to be accurate; the key players that "left' have been upgraded; particularly in Goal and Face Off. The 2022 will be much improved.

How? is MM not coaching anymore?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Duke's did another beat down today to Long Island Express 10-3 . Hawks was 10-4 ....

It was 12-3

Who cares? It's August. Give your son a break, or at least us on this board who could care less he got another t-shirt.

Totally depends on which players they lost. 2nd and 3rd string move every year to get more time. Did the starters move? Anyone have the scoop?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Duke's did another beat down today to Long Island Express 10-3 . Hawks was 10-4 ....

It was 12-3

Who cares? It's August. Give your son a break, or at least us on this board who could care less he got another t-shirt.

Then tell the clubs to start tryouts later. Yeah, it was our choice to go to lacrosse tryouts the first week of August.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yep, the Hawks will practically be a 2021 team this year from what I hear

Really? Wow! So Matt Hogan is going to lie and play freshman (2021) on an 8th grade team (2022)? Wow! How disappointing. I wonder what these kids high school coaches will say when they are forgoing JV or Varsity spots to play 8th grade? This has disaster written all over it.

what are you talking about, give us details because this sounds like it is accurate and true

Good luck to the API kids trying out for the Hawks this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good luck to the API kids trying out for the Hawks this weekend.

Should have a solid B team with all the Dbacks coming over

9d1 had 20 kids at tryouts. Will Crabs have more or less?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are born before Sept. 1, you should be going into 9 th grade. If you repeated for academic reasons and are still in 8 grade you should be playing up in lacrosse. Pretty simple.

What if you were born Sept 2 or even Aug 31 ? No repeating or maybe did repeat kindergarten , on the advice from every teacher and well within the rules of all school guidelines and until the middle of last year on board with all lacrosse guidelines. When Lacrosse decides to change the timeline again this year what will everyone be saying then. A few days or even weeks makes such a difference? Calling out all kids and suggesting they are cheaters is deplorable and flat out an excuse for most.
I completely agree that holding back in middle school or high school is a problem, but when almost all your sports is a U11-U13 with a year playing on the younger side a year playing on the older is fair.
For the most part the issue on this site is an excuse for most for why there son is lost a game.

No difference in age of a heldback kid and a prefirst kid.. Age is what youth sports goes by in all YOUTH Sports except lacrosse. It may not be right for a small minority of kids to old..but they seemed to survive for 50 years until three to four years ago when the whole grade based garbage got started and let kids play down.

No idea what you are talking about. Hold backs are all over football and basketball. Get out of your bubble and look around before you run your mouth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yep, the Hawks will practically be a 2021 team this year from what I hear

Really? Wow! So Matt Hogan is going to lie and play freshman (2021) on an 8th grade team (2022)? Wow! How disappointing. I wonder what these kids high school coaches will say when they are forgoing JV or Varsity spots to play 8th grade? This has disaster written all over it.

You are an idiot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good luck to the API kids trying out for the Hawks this weekend.

Why would they leave API? why would they leave a nationally ranked team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good luck to the API kids trying out for the Hawks this weekend.

Why would they leave API? why would they leave a nationally ranked team?

The same reason kids left 91.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good luck to the API kids trying out for the Hawks this weekend.

Why would they leave API? why would they leave a nationally ranked team?

Most will probably stay. A couple are leaving. Some of the best kids will stay and work with Dukes. Others are looking for greener grass. They are nationally ranked #3, but locally ranked #8. Coaching and development are sometimes questioned which is why kids may leave. Overall negative vibe by some of the parents also may push some kids away.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yep, the Hawks will practically be a 2021 team this year from what I hear

Really? Wow! So Matt Hogan is going to lie and play freshman (2021) on an 8th grade team (2022)? Wow! How disappointing. I wonder what these kids high school coaches will say when they are forgoing JV or Varsity spots to play 8th grade? This has disaster written all over it.

You are an idiot.

The Hawks (and every other top team in the country) are following the HoCo age requirements and age requirements of 99% of the tournaments. No rule breaking will occur. Some bitter people want to go back to 3rd grade rec rules and consider any violation of those 3rd grade rules "cheating".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are born before Sept. 1, you should be going into 9 th grade. If you repeated for academic reasons and are still in 8 grade you should be playing up in lacrosse. Pretty simple.

What if you were born Sept 2 or even Aug 31 ? No repeating or maybe did repeat kindergarten , on the advice from every teacher and well within the rules of all school guidelines and until the middle of last year on board with all lacrosse guidelines. When Lacrosse decides to change the timeline again this year what will everyone be saying then. A few days or even weeks makes such a difference? Calling out all kids and suggesting they are cheaters is deplorable and flat out an excuse for most.
I completely agree that holding back in middle school or high school is a problem, but when almost all your sports is a U11-U13 with a year playing on the younger side a year playing on the older is fair.
For the most part the issue on this site is an excuse for most for why there son is lost a game.

No difference in age of a heldback kid and a prefirst kid.. Age is what youth sports goes by in all YOUTH Sports except lacrosse. It may not be right for a small minority of kids to old..but they seemed to survive for 50 years until three to four years ago when the whole grade based garbage got started and let kids play down.

No idea what you are talking about. Hold backs are all over football and basketball. Get out of your bubble and look around before you run your mouth.

Not in YOUTH sports that lead up to High School. Not one governing body of YOUTH sports recommends or promotes grade based teams. Try as you might to justify the older prefirsts/holdbacks/reclassed players. Age base is the norm for YOUTH sports.

I heard that API was canceling their boys teams now. They just canceled all of their girls programs last week. Anyone else hear that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yep, the Hawks will practically be a 2021 team this year from what I hear

Really? Wow! So Matt Hogan is going to lie and play freshman (2021) on an 8th grade team (2022)? Wow! How disappointing. I wonder what these kids high school coaches will say when they are forgoing JV or Varsity spots to play 8th grade? This has disaster written all over it.

You are an idiot.

Definitely an idiot.

In regards to MM, do yourself a favor and run far very far away from him!

He is a horrible coach and treats his players like trash! Calling a 13 year old a f@cking [lacrosse], f@cking stupid idiot and that they suck and should quit is totally unacceptable!

Every wonder about why he isn't coaching at higher level??? Because his behavior is so horrible that no college or MLL team will take him! Yes, he assist at Gilman, but he is very careful about his behavior there because they will kick him to the curb if he acts up.

Most players tryout for other teams we will see if they stay or go . Most stay with the same team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are born before Sept. 1, you should be going into 9 th grade. If you repeated for academic reasons and are still in 8 grade you should be playing up in lacrosse. Pretty simple.

What if you were born Sept 2 or even Aug 31 ? No repeating or maybe did repeat kindergarten , on the advice from every teacher and well within the rules of all school guidelines and until the middle of last year on board with all lacrosse guidelines. When Lacrosse decides to change the timeline again this year what will everyone be saying then. A few days or even weeks makes such a difference? Calling out all kids and suggesting they are cheaters is deplorable and flat out an excuse for most.
I completely agree that holding back in middle school or high school is a problem, but when almost all your sports is a U11-U13 with a year playing on the younger side a year playing on the older is fair.
For the most part the issue on this site is an excuse for most for why there son is lost a game.

No difference in age of a heldback kid and a prefirst kid.. Age is what youth sports goes by in all YOUTH Sports except lacrosse. It may not be right for a small minority of kids to old..but they seemed to survive for 50 years until three to four years ago when the whole grade based garbage got started and let kids play down.

No idea what you are talking about. Hold backs are all over football and basketball. Get out of your bubble and look around before you run your mouth.

Not in YOUTH sports that lead up to High School. Not one governing body of YOUTH sports recommends or promotes grade based teams. Try as you might to justify the older prefirsts/holdbacks/reclassed players. Age base is the norm for YOUTH sports.

Not at the select level. Rec yes. Select has hold backs in basketball and football.

I hope many of the Hawks are trying put for other teams. With the multiple 2021 kids who are holding back and the kids they have been recruiting for almost a year.....there will be quite a few who get bumped.

Those parents are so arrogant though that they see no way little Biff gets cut.

2022 is the official year of the reclass/holdbacks. 2021's turn into 2022's this year in MD and other areas where reclass is rampart.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 is the official year of the reclass/holdbacks. 2021's turn into 2022's this year in MD and other areas where reclass is rampart.

Usually. But the typical offender, Crabs, is not having anyone move from 2021 to 2022

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hope many of the Hawks are trying put for other teams. With the multiple 2021 kids who are holding back and the kids they have been recruiting for almost a year.....there will be quite a few who get bumped.

Those parents are so arrogant though that they see no way little Biff gets cut.

yawn

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hope many of the Hawks are trying put for other teams. With the multiple 2021 kids who are holding back and the kids they have been recruiting for almost a year.....there will be quite a few who get bumped.

Those parents are so arrogant though that they see no way little Biff gets cut.

yawn

No not yawn. When it comes to Hawks, FART is a better description.

How will the Virginia teams be ranked Madlax, VLC, 3D, Club blue and top caliber

A little early to be so positive about the loss of 2 coaches and some standout athletes don't you think? "Nothing to see here folks, it was only 2 coaches and 8 players/almost 50% of Maryland participants on the roster who left a top 2 team during the season, or after their 2022 National Championship game and did NOT bother coming to tryouts." Totally normal?? You are absolutely polishing a turd at this point! I wonder how many of those players who LEFT will "accidentally" wind up with broken arms next season playing against MM? Millon calls it coaching, the rest of the world calls it child abuse. Shame on anyone who continues to support that behavior in youth sports.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A little early to be so positive about the loss of 2 coaches and some standout athletes don't you think? "Nothing to see here folks, it was only 2 coaches and 8 players/almost 50% of Maryland participants on the roster who left a top 2 team during the season, or after their 2022 National Championship game and did NOT bother coming to tryouts." Totally normal?? You are absolutely polishing a turd at this point! I wonder how many of those players who LEFT will "accidentally" wind up with broken arms next season playing against MM? Millon calls it coaching, the rest of the world calls it child abuse. Shame on anyone who continues to support that behavior in youth sports.

MM is the most obnoxious coach in youth club lacrosse. I do not know how his players parents put up with him and the way he acts. Why do you thinki2 coaches and 8 players didn't return? They saw through his bs and his behavior and my feeling is if it continues this fall or next season, he should be banned from the leagues his team plays in. By the second or third game of next years spring season everyone should be able to assess how he acts and if it is the same as this season and past seasons, league directors should have the balls to just step in and ban him from coaching. Club youth lacrosse does not need this behavior and it seems he just doesn't get the message or just doesn't want to hear the message. He is full of himself and feels he can act and do whatever he wants. I'm fearful that at some point someone is going to punch the living sh*t out of him and that no one wants to see or have happen. Not so much for his well being but the youth players and parents/fans do not need to see this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A little early to be so positive about the loss of 2 coaches and some standout athletes don't you think? "Nothing to see here folks, it was only 2 coaches and 8 players/almost 50% of Maryland participants on the roster who left a top 2 team during the season, or after their 2022 National Championship game and did NOT bother coming to tryouts." Totally normal?? You are absolutely polishing a turd at this point! I wonder how many of those players who LEFT will "accidentally" wind up with broken arms next season playing against MM? Millon calls it coaching, the rest of the world calls it child abuse. Shame on anyone who continues to support that behavior in youth sports.

MM is the most obnoxious coach in youth club lacrosse. I do not know how his players parents put up with him and the way he acts. Why do you thinki2 coaches and 8 players didn't return? They saw through his bs and his behavior and my feeling is if it continues this fall or next season, he should be banned from the leagues his team plays in. By the second or third game of next years spring season everyone should be able to assess how he acts and if it is the same as this season and past seasons, league directors should have the balls to just step in and ban him from coaching. Club youth lacrosse does not need this behavior and it seems he just doesn't get the message or just doesn't want to hear the message. He is full of himself and feels he can act and do whatever he wants. I'm fearful that at some point someone is going to punch the living sh*t out of him and that no one wants to see or have happen. Not so much for his well being but the youth players and parents/fans do not need to see this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 is the official year of the reclass/holdbacks. 2021's turn into 2022's this year in MD and other areas where reclass is rampart.

Except in NY where 2021 turn into 2023's. Keep an eye out folks, it will happen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How will the Virginia teams be ranked Madlax, VLC, 3D, Club blue and top caliber

2022 VA ranking
1. Madlax (top of the list by a mile)
2. Evergreen (hired D.Maltz from MD to coach and bringing in top players from other VA clubs)
3. Cavalier: 2023 team is near the top in N.VA
4. VLC finished bottom of HOCO and most tournaments too much competition
5. 3d
6. Top Caliber Could move higher real draw is Robinson coaching staff
7. Club Blue ?? unknown will they get two teams at 2022?
8. Mad Lax-VA (the gap between top and bottom is way too high) EKLC, Battlelax, all others still above

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hope many of the Hawks are trying put for other teams. With the multiple 2021 kids who are holding back and the kids they have been recruiting for almost a year.....there will be quite a few who get bumped.

Those parents are so arrogant though that they see no way little Biff gets cut.

yawn

No not yawn. When it comes to Hawks, FART is a better description.

We get it .. you hate the Hawks for following the rules like every team in Hoco elite. Can you now go fixate on some other target.

I'm beginning to wonder if there really might be someone wacko enough out there to show up at Hawks tryouts with a sniper rifle.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How will the Virginia teams be ranked Madlax, VLC, 3D, Club blue and top caliber

2022 VA ranking
1. Madlax (top of the list by a mile)
2. Evergreen (hired D.Maltz from MD to coach and bringing in top players from other VA clubs)
3. Cavalier: 2023 team is near the top in N.VA
4. VLC finished bottom of HOCO and most tournaments too much competition
5. 3d
6. Top Caliber Could move higher real draw is Robinson coaching staff
7. Club Blue ?? unknown will they get two teams at 2022?
8. Mad Lax-VA (the gap between top and bottom is way too high) EKLC, Battlelax, all others still above

What about DC Express?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hope many of the Hawks are trying put for other teams. With the multiple 2021 kids who are holding back and the kids they have been recruiting for almost a year.....there will be quite a few who get bumped.

Those parents are so arrogant though that they see no way little Biff gets cut.

yawn

No not yawn. When it comes to Hawks, FART is a better description.

We get it .. you hate the Hawks for following the rules like every team in Hoco elite. Can you now go fixate on some other target.

I'm beginning to wonder if there really might be someone wacko enough out there to show up at Hawks tryouts with a sniper rifle.

My God, you are sick to even think of such a thing and even sicker to post it on a public forum. This, I'm afraid, is what gives people ideas. Might be a good idea if the forum Admin delete the posts that mentions this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How will the Virginia teams be ranked Madlax, VLC, 3D, Club blue and top caliber

2022 VA ranking
1. Madlax (top of the list by a mile)
2. Evergreen (hired D.Maltz from MD to coach and bringing in top players from other VA clubs)
3. Cavalier: 2023 team is near the top in N.VA
4. VLC finished bottom of HOCO and most tournaments too much competition
5. 3d
6. Top Caliber Could move higher real draw is Robinson coaching staff
7. Club Blue ?? unknown will they get two teams at 2022?
8. Mad Lax-VA (the gap between top and bottom is way too high) EKLC, Battlelax, all others still above

What about DC Express?

D.C. express has no 2022 team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hope many of the Hawks are trying put for other teams. With the multiple 2021 kids who are holding back and the kids they have been recruiting for almost a year.....there will be quite a few who get bumped.

Those parents are so arrogant though that they see no way little Biff gets cut.

yawn

No not yawn. When it comes to Hawks, FART is a better description.

We get it .. you hate the Hawks for following the rules like every team in Hoco elite. Can you now go fixate on some other target.

I'm beginning to wonder if there really might be someone wacko enough out there to show up at Hawks tryouts with a sniper rifle.

My God, you are sick to even think of such a thing and even sicker to post it on a public forum. This, I'm afraid, is what gives people ideas. Might be a good idea if the forum Admin delete the posts that mentions this.

Yes, this is really irresponsible in this day and age. What the [lacrosse] is the matter with you saying something like that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How will the Virginia teams be ranked Madlax, VLC, 3D, Club blue and top caliber

2022 VA ranking
1. Madlax (top of the list by a mile)
2. Evergreen (hired D.Maltz from MD to coach and bringing in top players from other VA clubs)
3. Cavalier: 2023 team is near the top in N.VA
4. VLC finished bottom of HOCO and most tournaments too much competition
5. 3d
6. Top Caliber Could move higher real draw is Robinson coaching staff
7. Club Blue ?? unknown will they get two teams at 2022?
8. Mad Lax-VA (the gap between top and bottom is way too high) EKLC, Battlelax, all others still above

What about DC Express?

D.C. express has no 2022 team

They will this year. And without knowing anything about their roaster I guarantee you that they will be at worst second on that list. Never even heard of a lot of those teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How will the Virginia teams be ranked Madlax, VLC, 3D, Club blue and top caliber

2022 VA ranking
1. Madlax (top of the list by a mile)
2. Evergreen (hired D.Maltz from MD to coach and bringing in top players from other VA clubs)
3. Cavalier: 2023 team is near the top in N.VA
4. VLC finished bottom of HOCO and most tournaments too much competition
5. 3d
6. Top Caliber Could move higher real draw is Robinson coaching staff
7. Club Blue ?? unknown will they get two teams at 2022?
8. Mad Lax-VA (the gap between top and bottom is way too high) EKLC, Battlelax, all others still above

What about DC Express?

D.C. express has no 2022 team

This list is funny. Evergreen is terrible and Cavalier isn't very good either. The Madlax 2024 team embarrassed the cavalier 2023's last year. There's no competition between the Madlax 2022 team and anyone else in NoVA 2022's.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hope many of the Hawks are trying put for other teams. With the multiple 2021 kids who are holding back and the kids they have been recruiting for almost a year.....there will be quite a few who get bumped.

Those parents are so arrogant though that they see no way little Biff gets cut.

yawn

No not yawn. When it comes to Hawks, FART is a better description.

huh

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hope many of the Hawks are trying put for other teams. With the multiple 2021 kids who are holding back and the kids they have been recruiting for almost a year.....there will be quite a few who get bumped.

Those parents are so arrogant though that they see no way little Biff gets cut.

yawn

No not yawn. When it comes to Hawks, FART is a better description.

We get it .. you hate the Hawks for following the rules like every team in Hoco elite. Can you now go fixate on some other target.

I'm beginning to wonder if there really might be someone wacko enough out there to show up at Hawks tryouts with a sniper rifle.

Holdback parent strikes again with the stupid and irresponsible comments

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hope many of the Hawks are trying put for other teams. With the multiple 2021 kids who are holding back and the kids they have been recruiting for almost a year.....there will be quite a few who get bumped.

Those parents are so arrogant though that they see no way little Biff gets cut.

yawn

No not yawn. When it comes to Hawks, FART is a better description.

We get it .. you hate the Hawks for following the rules like every team in Hoco elite. Can you now go fixate on some other target.

I'm beginning to wonder if there really might be someone wacko enough out there to show up at Hawks tryouts with a sniper rifle.

Holdback parent strikes again with the stupid and irresponsible comments

API daddy still bitter till the end. Classic loser that just can't help himself on this site.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How will the Virginia teams be ranked Madlax, VLC, 3D, Club blue and top caliber

2022 VA ranking
1. Madlax (top of the list by a mile)
2. Evergreen (hired D.Maltz from MD to coach and bringing in top players from other VA clubs)
3. Cavalier: 2023 team is near the top in N.VA
4. VLC finished bottom of HOCO and most tournaments too much competition
5. 3d
6. Top Caliber Could move higher real draw is Robinson coaching staff
7. Club Blue ?? unknown will they get two teams at 2022?
8. Mad Lax-VA (the gap between top and bottom is way too high) EKLC, Battlelax, all others still above

What about DC Express?

D.C. express has no 2022 team

This list is funny. Evergreen is terrible and Cavalier isn't very good either. The Madlax 2024 team embarrassed the cavalier 2023's last year. There's no competition between the Madlax 2022 team and anyone else in NoVA 2022's.

Doesn't madlax practice in MD?

How was the Hawks and API tryouts today?

Over 50 kids at Koopers 2022 Tryouts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was the Hawks and API tryouts today?

Hawks 2022 tryout tomorrow

Doesn't madlax practice in MD?[/quote]

Occasionally at Landon, but most practices are in NoVA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Over 50 kids at Koopers 2022 Tryouts.

Sounds like a good turn out

API had over 50 kids . They had some great kids come out but will see what happens . A lot of kids are trying out multiple teams .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

API had over 50 kids . They had some great kids come out but will see what happens . A lot of kids are trying out multiple teams .

What helmets were there?

Buggs the new head coach?

Buggs listed as head coach for the 2022 and 2021 teams On API web site but we all known who runs the team.

Hawks tryout is PACKED!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks tryout is PACKED!!!!

With API players

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks tryout is PACKED!!!!

With API players

No way. I thought they only wanted reclass players?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks tryout is PACKED!!!!

With API players

No way. I thought they only wanted reclass players?

API, Crabs, and Cannons players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks tryout is PACKED!!!!

With API players

No way. I thought they only wanted reclass players?

API, Crabs, and Cannons players.

I heard it was the Club to be in this year!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks tryout is PACKED!!!!

With API players

No way. I thought they only wanted reclass players?

API, Crabs, and Cannons players.

There was one crab there. Stop spreading lies.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks tryout is PACKED!!!!

With API players

No way. I thought they only wanted reclass players?

API, Crabs, and Cannons players.

There was one crab there. Stop spreading lies.

Where you there?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Buggs listed as head coach for the 2022 and 2021 teams On API web site but we all known who runs the team.

N0, we don't know who really runs the team? Enlighten us all please. Are you saying the Club is putting false info out there . Bugs Combs is a very good coach and a very much needed face to 2022 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks tryout is PACKED!!!!

With API players

No way. I thought they only wanted reclass players?

API, Crabs, and Cannons players.

There was one crab there. Stop spreading lies.

Spreading lies ? There was 2 Crab Helmets there and possible more as a lot of helmets where not from a particular team. Good try out from a top club. Well organized with a lot of coaches watching everyone. Why is it an issue if there are kids from other programs there. Every try out across Maryland has the same thing going on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks tryout is PACKED!!!!

With API players

No way. I thought they only wanted reclass players?

API, Crabs, and Cannons players.

There was one crab there. Stop spreading lies.

Where you there?

Yes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I hope many of the Hawks are trying put for other teams. With the multiple 2021 kids who are holding back and the kids they have been recruiting for almost a year.....there will be quite a few who get bumped.

Those parents are so arrogant though that they see no way little Biff gets cut.

yawn

No not yawn. When it comes to Hawks, FART is a better description.

We get it .. you hate the Hawks for following the rules like every team in Hoco elite. Can you now go fixate on some other target.

I'm beginning to wonder if there really might be someone wacko enough out there to show up at Hawks tryouts with a sniper rifle.

Holdback parent strikes again with the stupid and irresponsible comments

API daddy still bitter till the end. Classic loser that just can't help himself on this site.

Worst guess ever! Try again....

None of the API players will go over to the HAWKS but it's fun have your son wanted by the Hawks .My son giving up a spot for your holdback ..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

None of the API players will go over to the HAWKS but it's fun have your son wanted by the Hawks .My son giving up a spot for your holdback ..

Hawks 2022 will be full of holdbacks for this fall and next spring. They had quite a few this past spring but we all know how it goes with the Hawk faithful, "we have no holdbacks, that is not how our program is designed/organized". To that the youth club lacrosse community says BS.

Hawks tryouts were the place to be. If you aren't playing Hawks, you are wasting your time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

None of the API players will go over to the HAWKS but it's fun have your son wanted by the Hawks .My son giving up a spot for your holdback ..

Pretty sure only 2 will be offered a spot and they will accept.

You can have the others back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

None of the API players will go over to the HAWKS but it's fun have your son wanted by the Hawks .My son giving up a spot for your holdback ..

So you came to learn from the best club program?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

None of the API players will go over to the HAWKS but it's fun have your son wanted by the Hawks .My son giving up a spot for your holdback ..

Lot of holdbacks there. They will deny it but hard to when there are 3 goalies with Hawks helmets LOL Hard to hide that one guys. Let the hold Back parade continue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

None of the API players will go over to the HAWKS but it's fun have your son wanted by the Hawks .My son giving up a spot for your holdback ..

Lot of holdbacks there. They will deny it but hard to when there are 3 goalies with Hawks helmets LOL Hard to hide that one guys. Let the hold Back parade continue.

Doesn't sound like he was hiding from you.

Detective holdback

Originally Posted by Anonymous

None of the API players will go over to the HAWKS but it's fun have your son wanted by the Hawks .My son giving up a spot for your holdback ..

Lot of holdbacks there. They will deny it but hard to when there are 3 goalies with Hawks helmets LOL Hard to hide that one guys. Let the hold Back parade continue.

Are you saying your son was the API Goalie?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

None of the API players will go over to the HAWKS but it's fun have your son wanted by the Hawks .My son giving up a spot for your holdback ..

Lot of holdbacks there. They will deny it but hard to when there are 3 goalies with Hawks helmets LOL Hard to hide that one guys. Let the hold Back parade continue.

Are you saying your son was the API Goalie?

While there was a hawks holdback goalie, the hawks holdback defense didn't show and I didn't hear of any others.

A couple Diamondbacks were there, but they may have just been testing the water - they'd likely give up some playing time if they made the move.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

None of the API players will go over to the HAWKS but it's fun have your son wanted by the Hawks .My son giving up a spot for your holdback ..

Lot of holdbacks there. They will deny it but hard to when there are 3 goalies with Hawks helmets LOL Hard to hide that one guys. Let the hold Back parade continue.

Are you saying your son was the API Goalie?

While there was a hawks holdback goalie, the hawks holdback defense didn't show and I didn't hear of any others.

A couple Diamondbacks were there, but they may have just been testing the water - they'd likely give up some playing time if they made the move

Hold back defense? Too funny.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

None of the API players will go over to the HAWKS but it's fun have your son wanted by the Hawks .My son giving up a spot for your holdback ..

Lot of holdbacks there. They will deny it but hard to when there are 3 goalies with Hawks helmets LOL Hard to hide that one guys. Let the hold Back parade continue.

Are you saying your son was the API Goalie?

While there was a hawks holdback goalie, the hawks holdback defense didn't show and I didn't hear of any others.

A couple Diamondbacks were there, but they may have just been testing the water - they'd likely give up some playing time if they made the move.

So a new holdback goalie? That is on top of the holdback goalie that was already on the team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

None of the API players will go over to the HAWKS but it's fun have your son wanted by the Hawks .My son giving up a spot for your holdback ..

Lot of holdbacks there. They will deny it but hard to when there are 3 goalies with Hawks helmets LOL Hard to hide that one guys. Let the hold Back parade continue.

Are you saying your son was the API Goalie?

While there was a hawks holdback goalie, the hawks holdback defense didn't show and I didn't hear of any others.

A couple Diamondbacks were there, but they may have just been testing the water - they'd likely give up some playing time if they made the move

Impossible that there was a hold back goalie, since the Hawks don't have or promote holdbacks. You must have been imagining this lol

Once all of these shakes out where do the teams meet up for a fall play day?

Learn from the best program . You mean Duke's . Yes my son plays for them too. 10-4

You play the in a JV high school game in the fall

I do feel bad for the Hawks player's that are not holdbacks you have to find a new team because you won't get any playing time or play on the B team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

None of the API players will go over to the HAWKS but it's fun have your son wanted by the Hawks .My son giving up a spot for your holdback ..

Hawks 2022 will be full of holdbacks for this fall and next spring. They had quite a few this past spring but we all know how it goes with the Hawk faithful, "we have no holdbacks, that is not how our program is designed/organized". To that the youth club lacrosse community says BS.

So, the youth lacrosse community would really like to know and call BS to why API players would be trying out for a team that they would never play for? Or play for again. Just to be clear you are just trying out because its fun with no intent to actually accept a spot if offered? When there are many young boys whom really want to play for the club and parents that are actually good people. (not snakes in grass )Why the API dads continue to come on here and bash well known and respected club across the country. Holdbacks or not, 90% of 8th grade teams will have holdbacks this year . That argument is old and is only brought up when bad mouthing other teams that your kid doesn't play for. But when it comes to the Dukes team which is almost all holdbacks that your kids play for it's perfectly ok. So which is it? Wait , also jumping ship from a team and talking smack about a program that your kids have been on for 4 years just to try out for teams that you really have no intent on playing for but want everyone to know your kid was offered a spot, all the while playing for a National team and recruiting for them. Please don't ever act like you are speaking for the youth lacrosse community when you act and speak the way you do about they young men that play on these teams. Its comical to sit and watch these post cause it sounds like you know an awful lot about the Hawks and the bitterness amusing. Speaks volumes about your character ~
Thanks for making youth lacrosse try outs so amusing with your bitterness , you made it clear how much fun you are having being a deceitful lier.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I do feel bad for the Hawks player's that are not holdbacks you have to find a new team because you won't get any playing time or play on the B team

Save us your pity, seriously. The young men will be just fine no matter where they play. Especially being as far away from creeps like yourself.

Good try loser, just trying to make it easier for when you boy is cut from tryouts...or is he just doing the circuit and playing for the Dukes like you told everyone at tryouts. Trust me, everyone knows you and your son aren't welcome, just a cancer to every team you guys are around! Please don't come back Tuesday!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

None of the API players will go over to the HAWKS but it's fun have your son wanted by the Hawks .My son giving up a spot for your holdback ..

Hawks 2022 will be full of holdbacks for this fall and next spring. They had quite a few this past spring but we all know how it goes with the Hawk faithful, "we have no holdbacks, that is not how our program is designed/organized". To that the youth club lacrosse community says BS.

So, the youth lacrosse community would really like to know and call BS to why API players would be trying out for a team that they would never play for? Or play for again. Just to be clear you are just trying out because its fun with no intent to actually accept a spot if offered? When there are many young boys whom really want to play for the club and parents that are actually good people. (not snakes in grass )Why the API dads continue to come on here and bash well known and respected club across the country. Holdbacks or not, 90% of 8th grade teams will have holdbacks this year . That argument is old and is only brought up when bad mouthing other teams that your kid doesn't play for. But when it comes to the Dukes team which is almost all holdbacks that your kids play for it's perfectly ok. So which is it? Wait , also jumping ship from a team and talking smack about a program that your kids have been on for 4 years just to try out for teams that you really have no intent on playing for but want everyone to know your kid was offered a spot, all the while playing for a National team and recruiting for them. Please don't ever act like you are speaking for the youth lacrosse community when you act and speak the way you do about they young men that play on these teams. Its comical to sit and watch these post cause it sounds like you know an awful lot about the Hawks and the bitterness amusing. Speaks volumes about your character ~
Thanks for making youth lacrosse try outs so amusing with your bitterness , you made it clear how much fun you are having being a deceitful lier.

Good grief, all those words to deny what is going on with Hawks, just amazing. Just so you know I'm not associated with API or Dukes, neither is my son. You sound like a Hawk dad and as such you and other parents are only exposed to little of what goes on in the youth lacrosse club teams. When you either are a coach or director of another team/program you are exposed to much more information about what is happening with other teams, down so far as to what players are staying or moving to a new team, which players are going to play down etc. You will be surprised the flow of information. Youth club lacrosse is a small community. So again, Hawks 2022 will be loaded with holdbacks this coming fall and spring 2018. Stop the denial, it makes you look foolish and further confirms how much of a liar you are. Ok Hawks dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

None of the API players will go over to the HAWKS but it's fun have your son wanted by the Hawks .My son giving up a spot for your holdback ..

Lot of holdbacks there. They will deny it but hard to when there are 3 goalies with Hawks helmets LOL Hard to hide that one guys. Let the hold Back parade continue.

Are you saying your son was the API Goalie?

While there was a hawks holdback goalie, the hawks holdback defense didn't show and I didn't hear of any others.

A couple Diamondbacks were there, but they may have just been testing the water - they'd likely give up some playing time if they made the move

Impossible that there was a hold back goalie, since the Hawks don't have or promote holdbacks. You must have been imagining this lol

The Hawks like EVERY ELITE TEAM take the best kids who meet hoco and 99% of all tournament eligibility rules. You are not getting any sympathy from anyone by accusing a team of FOLLOWING THE RULES.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

None of the API players will go over to the HAWKS but it's fun have your son wanted by the Hawks .My son giving up a spot for your holdback ..

Lot of holdbacks there. They will deny it but hard to when there are 3 goalies with Hawks helmets LOL Hard to hide that one guys. Let the hold Back parade continue.

Are you saying your son was the API Goalie?

While there was a hawks holdback goalie, the hawks holdback defense didn't show and I didn't hear of any others.

A couple Diamondbacks were there, but they may have just been testing the water - they'd likely give up some playing time if they made the move.

So a new holdback goalie? That is on top of the holdback goalie that was already on the team?

You mean the one that is a rising 7th grader and could play 2023? Once again you prove your ignorance with every post.

Why do API players always tryout for Hawks and never take a spot when offered?

given the recruiting changes are kids still re-doing a year in school at this age group? Wouldn't it make more sense to play on age or even play up and get better and then make a reclass decision later?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why do API players always tryout for Hawks and never take a spot when offered?

Are they really offered a spot? I've watched both teams play for many years as a coach and a parent and I only see 2 players on the API team that could actually compete at the level the Hawks are on. In my opinion non of the others are upgrades.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

None of the API players will go over to the HAWKS but it's fun have your son wanted by the Hawks .My son giving up a spot for your holdback ..

Hawks 2022 will be full of holdbacks for this fall and next spring. They had quite a few this past spring but we all know how it goes with the Hawk faithful, "we have no holdbacks, that is not how our program is designed/organized". To that the youth club lacrosse community says BS.

So, the youth lacrosse community would really like to know and call BS to why API players would be trying out for a team that they would never play for? Or play for again. Just to be clear you are just trying out because its fun with no intent to actually accept a spot if offered? When there are many young boys whom really want to play for the club and parents that are actually good people. (not snakes in grass )Why the API dads continue to come on here and bash well known and respected club across the country. Holdbacks or not, 90% of 8th grade teams will have holdbacks this year . That argument is old and is only brought up when bad mouthing other teams that your kid doesn't play for. But when it comes to the Dukes team which is almost all holdbacks that your kids play for it's perfectly ok. So which is it? Wait , also jumping ship from a team and talking smack about a program that your kids have been on for 4 years just to try out for teams that you really have no intent on playing for but want everyone to know your kid was offered a spot, all the while playing for a National team and recruiting for them. Please don't ever act like you are speaking for the youth lacrosse community when you act and speak the way you do about they young men that play on these teams. Its comical to sit and watch these post cause it sounds like you know an awful lot about the Hawks and the bitterness amusing. Speaks volumes about your character ~
Thanks for making youth lacrosse try outs so amusing with your bitterness , you made it clear how much fun you are having being a deceitful lier.

Good grief, all those words to deny what is going on with Hawks, just amazing. Just so you know I'm not associated with API or Dukes, neither is my son. You sound like a Hawk dad and as such you and other parents are only exposed to little of what goes on in the youth lacrosse club teams. When you either are a coach or director of another team/program you are exposed to much more information about what is happening with other teams, down so far as to what players are staying or moving to a new team, which players are going to play down etc. You will be surprised the flow of information. Youth club lacrosse is a small community. So again, Hawks 2022 will be loaded with holdbacks this coming fall and spring 2018. Stop the denial, it makes you look foolish and further confirms how much of a liar you are. Ok Hawks dad.

You only know what you hear on the parent sidelines.

Stick to taking pictures.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

None of the API players will go over to the HAWKS but it's fun have your son wanted by the Hawks .My son giving up a spot for your holdback ..

Hawks 2022 will be full of holdbacks for this fall and next spring. They had quite a few this past spring but we all know how it goes with the Hawk faithful, "we have no holdbacks, that is not how our program is designed/organized". To that the youth club lacrosse community says BS.

So, the youth lacrosse community would really like to know and call BS to why API players would be trying out for a team that they would never play for? Or play for again. Just to be clear you are just trying out because its fun with no intent to actually accept a spot if offered? When there are many young boys whom really want to play for the club and parents that are actually good people. (not snakes in grass )Why the API dads continue to come on here and bash well known and respected club across the country. Holdbacks or not, 90% of 8th grade teams will have holdbacks this year . That argument is old and is only brought up when bad mouthing other teams that your kid doesn't play for. But when it comes to the Dukes team which is almost all holdbacks that your kids play for it's perfectly ok. So which is it? Wait , also jumping ship from a team and talking smack about a program that your kids have been on for 4 years just to try out for teams that you really have no intent on playing for but want everyone to know your kid was offered a spot, all the while playing for a National team and recruiting for them. Please don't ever act like you are speaking for the youth lacrosse community when you act and speak the way you do about they young men that play on these teams. Its comical to sit and watch these post cause it sounds like you know an awful lot about the Hawks and the bitterness amusing. Speaks volumes about your character ~
Thanks for making youth lacrosse try outs so amusing with your bitterness , you made it clear how much fun you are having being a deceitful lier.

Good grief, all those words to deny what is going on with Hawks, just amazing. Just so you know I'm not associated with API or Dukes, neither is my son. You sound like a Hawk dad and as such you and other parents are only exposed to little of what goes on in the youth lacrosse club teams. When you either are a coach or director of another team/program you are exposed to much more information about what is happening with other teams, down so far as to what players are staying or moving to a new team, which players are going to play down etc. You will be surprised the flow of information. Youth club lacrosse is a small community. So again, Hawks 2022 will be loaded with holdbacks this coming fall and spring 2018. Stop the denial, it makes you look foolish and further confirms how much of a liar you are. Ok Hawks dad.

Denial? Where in the post does it deny anything. Your comeback is weak and totally ignores the post. Just more bashing of a club that you are bitter towards. Your holdback jab is for the birds . If you want to play on an Elite 8th grade team this year than 90%of the teams will have at least 1 holdback player on it. That is a small fact in the small lax club community. It furthers proves who you are and how lame you are. Thanks again for the amusement.

How was all the other tryouts this weekend.
Crabs?
RR?
FCA?
89+2?

It sounds like Hawks was a good turn out. A little positive feed back would be good. Going to be another very competitive year fro this age group.
I think this site is over the hatred API dads have for the Hawks. You have made it very clear . The rest of the lax community doesn't care.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

None of the API players will go over to the HAWKS but it's fun have your son wanted by the Hawks .My son giving up a spot for your holdback ..

Hawks 2022 will be full of holdbacks for this fall and next spring. They had quite a few this past spring but we all know how it goes with the Hawk faithful, "we have no holdbacks, that is not how our program is designed/organized". To that the youth club lacrosse community says BS.

So, the youth lacrosse community would really like to know and call BS to why API players would be trying out for a team that they would never play for? Or play for again. Just to be clear you are just trying out because its fun with no intent to actually accept a spot if offered? When there are many young boys whom really want to play for the club and parents that are actually good people. (not snakes in grass )Why the API dads continue to come on here and bash well known and respected club across the country. Holdbacks or not, 90% of 8th grade teams will have holdbacks this year . That argument is old and is only brought up when bad mouthing other teams that your kid doesn't play for. But when it comes to the Dukes team which is almost all holdbacks that your kids play for it's perfectly ok. So which is it? Wait , also jumping ship from a team and talking smack about a program that your kids have been on for 4 years just to try out for teams that you really have no intent on playing for but want everyone to know your kid was offered a spot, all the while playing for a National team and recruiting for them. Please don't ever act like you are speaking for the youth lacrosse community when you act and speak the way you do about they young men that play on these teams. Its comical to sit and watch these post cause it sounds like you know an awful lot about the Hawks and the bitterness amusing. Speaks volumes about your character ~
Thanks for making youth lacrosse try outs so amusing with your bitterness , you made it clear how much fun you are having being a deceitful lier.

Good grief, all those words to deny what is going on with Hawks, just amazing. Just so you know I'm not associated with API or Dukes, neither is my son. You sound like a Hawk dad and as such you and other parents are only exposed to little of what goes on in the youth lacrosse club teams. When you either are a coach or director of another team/program you are exposed to much more information about what is happening with other teams, down so far as to what players are staying or moving to a new team, which players are going to play down etc. You will be surprised the flow of information. Youth club lacrosse is a small community. So again, Hawks 2022 will be loaded with holdbacks this coming fall and spring 2018. Stop the denial, it makes you look foolish and further confirms how much of a liar you are. Ok Hawks dad.

Denial? Where in the post does it deny anything. Your comeback is weak and totally ignores the post. Just more bashing of a club that you are bitter towards. Your holdback jab is for the birds . If you want to play on an Elite 8th grade team this year than 90%of the teams will have at least 1 holdback player on it. That is a small fact in the small lax club community. It furthers proves who you are and how lame you are. Thanks again for the amusement.

The only amusement to date is this lame post. Keep defending the face that Hawks 2022 will be loaded with holdbacks, not just one, more like 7 to 8. Known fact. You need to just stay on the sidelines and watch the game, you are very far out of the loop. Hawk dads just keep up their denial.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was all the other tryouts this weekend.
Crabs?
RR?
FCA?
89+2?

It sounds like Hawks was a good turn out. A little positive feed back would be good. Going to be another very competitive year fro this age group.
I think this site is over the hatred API dads have for the Hawks. You have made it very clear . The rest of the lax community doesn't care.

Is 2022 89 + 2 the team to beat again this year. Looks like they were the best overall last year. Did MM lose any due to his behavior?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

None of the API players will go over to the HAWKS but it's fun have your son wanted by the Hawks .My son giving up a spot for your holdback ..

Lot of holdbacks there. They will deny it but hard to when there are 3 goalies with Hawks helmets LOL Hard to hide that one guys. Let the hold Back parade continue.

Are you saying your son was the API Goalie?

While there was a hawks holdback goalie, the hawks holdback defense didn't show and I didn't hear of any others.

A couple Diamondbacks were there, but they may have just been testing the water - they'd likely give up some playing time if they made the move.

So a new holdback goalie? That is on top of the holdback goalie that was already on the team?

You mean the one that is a rising 7th grader and could play 2023? Once again you prove your ignorance with every post.

Funny how you mentioned only 1. If you have a 2023 goalie then it is the other goalie who is the hold back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was all the other tryouts this weekend.
Crabs?
RR?
FCA?
89+2?

It sounds like Hawks was a good turn out. A little positive feed back would be good. Going to be another very competitive year fro this age group.
I think this site is over the hatred API dads have for the Hawks. You have made it very clear . The rest of the lax community doesn't care.

Is 2022 89 + 2 the team to beat again this year. Looks like they were the best overall last year. Did MM lose any due to his behavior?

LOL. Yes, 6 kids and 2 coaches left. Less than 20 kids came to tryouts. Wouldn't expect too much from 9D1 this year. Filled in with cast offs from other clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was all the other tryouts this weekend.
Crabs?
RR?
FCA?
89+2?

It sounds like Hawks was a good turn out. A little positive feed back would be good. Going to be another very competitive year fro this age group.
I think this site is over the hatred API dads have for the Hawks. You have made it very clear . The rest of the lax community doesn't care.

Crabs - 30 kids
RR - 35 kids
FCA - 70 kids
9D1 - 20 kids

RR is getting some of the 9D1 kids that fill in the weak spots. RR will be strong .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

None of the API players will go over to the HAWKS but it's fun have your son wanted by the Hawks .My son giving up a spot for your holdback ..

Hawks 2022 will be full of holdbacks for this fall and next spring. They had quite a few this past spring but we all know how it goes with the Hawk faithful, "we have no holdbacks, that is not how our program is designed/organized". To that the youth club lacrosse community says BS.

So, the youth lacrosse community would really like to know and call BS to why API players would be trying out for a team that they would never play for? Or play for again. Just to be clear you are just trying out because its fun with no intent to actually accept a spot if offered? When there are many young boys whom really want to play for the club and parents that are actually good people. (not snakes in grass )Why the API dads continue to come on here and bash well known and respected club across the country. Holdbacks or not, 90% of 8th grade teams will have holdbacks this year . That argument is old and is only brought up when bad mouthing other teams that your kid doesn't play for. But when it comes to the Dukes team which is almost all holdbacks that your kids play for it's perfectly ok. So which is it? Wait , also jumping ship from a team and talking smack about a program that your kids have been on for 4 years just to try out for teams that you really have no intent on playing for but want everyone to know your kid was offered a spot, all the while playing for a National team and recruiting for them. Please don't ever act like you are speaking for the youth lacrosse community when you act and speak the way you do about they young men that play on these teams. Its comical to sit and watch these post cause it sounds like you know an awful lot about the Hawks and the bitterness amusing. Speaks volumes about your character ~
Thanks for making youth lacrosse try outs so amusing with your bitterness , you made it clear how much fun you are having being a deceitful lier.

Good grief, all those words to deny what is going on with Hawks, just amazing. Just so you know I'm not associated with API or Dukes, neither is my son. You sound like a Hawk dad and as such you and other parents are only exposed to little of what goes on in the youth lacrosse club teams. When you either are a coach or director of another team/program you are exposed to much more information about what is happening with other teams, down so far as to what players are staying or moving to a new team, which players are going to play down etc. You will be surprised the flow of information. Youth club lacrosse is a small community. So again, Hawks 2022 will be loaded with holdbacks this coming fall and spring 2018. Stop the denial, it makes you look foolish and further confirms how much of a liar you are. Ok Hawks dad.

just not true

Originally Posted by Anonymous

None of the API players will go over to the HAWKS but it's fun have your son wanted by the Hawks .My son giving up a spot for your holdback ..

Hawks 2022 will be full of holdbacks for this fall and next spring. They had quite a few this past spring but we all know how it goes with the Hawk faithful, "we have no holdbacks, that is not how our program is designed/organized". To that the youth club lacrosse community says BS.

So, the youth lacrosse community would really like to know and call BS to why API players would be trying out for a team that they would never play for? Or play for again. Just to be clear you are just trying out because its fun with no intent to actually accept a spot if offered? When there are many young boys whom really want to play for the club and parents that are actually good people. (not snakes in grass )Why the API dads continue to come on here and bash well known and respected club across the country. Holdbacks or not, 90% of 8th grade teams will have holdbacks this year . That argument is old and is only brought up when bad mouthing other teams that your kid doesn't play for. But when it comes to the Dukes team which is almost all holdbacks that your kids play for it's perfectly ok. So which is it? Wait , also jumping ship from a team and talking smack about a program that your kids have been on for 4 years just to try out for teams that you really have no intent on playing for but want everyone to know your kid was offered a spot, all the while playing for a National team and recruiting for them. Please don't ever act like you are speaking for the youth lacrosse community when you act and speak the way you do about they young men that play on these teams. Its comical to sit and watch these post cause it sounds like you know an awful lot about the Hawks and the bitterness amusing. Speaks volumes about your character ~
Thanks for making youth lacrosse try outs so amusing with your bitterness , you made it clear how much fun you are having being a deceitful lier.

Good grief, all those words to deny what is going on with Hawks, just amazing. Just so you know I'm not associated with API or Dukes, neither is my son. You sound like a Hawk dad and as such you and other parents are only exposed to little of what goes on in the youth lacrosse club teams. When you either are a coach or director of another team/program you are exposed to much more information about what is happening with other teams, down so far as to what players are staying or moving to a new team, which players are going to play down etc. You will be surprised the flow of information. Youth club lacrosse is a small community. So again, Hawks 2022 will be loaded with holdbacks this coming fall and spring 2018. Stop the denial, it makes you look foolish and further confirms how much of a liar you are. Ok Hawks dad.

Denial? Where in the post does it deny anything. Your comeback is weak and totally ignores the post. Just more bashing of a club that you are bitter towards. Your holdback jab is for the birds . If you want to play on an Elite 8th grade team this year than 90%of the teams will have at least 1 holdback player on it. That is a small fact in the small lax club community. It furthers proves who you are and how lame you are. Thanks again for the amusement.

The only amusement to date is this lame post. Keep defending the face that Hawks 2022 will be loaded with holdbacks, not just one, more like 7 to 8. Known fact. You need to just stay on the sidelines and watch the game, you are very far out of the loop. Hawk dads just keep up their denial.

LMAO - so an Arden parent thinks they are in the Hawks loop?

Someone thinks they are important.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]

Denial? Where in the post does it deny anything. Your comeback is weak and totally ignores the post. Just more bashing of a club that you are bitter towards. Your holdback jab is for the birds . If you want to play on an Elite 8th grade team this year than 90%of the teams will have at least 1 holdback player on it. That is a small fact in the small lax club community. It furthers proves who you are and how lame you are. Thanks again for the amusement.

The only amusement to date is this lame post. Keep defending the face that Hawks 2022 will be loaded with holdbacks, not just one, more like 7 to 8. Known fact. You need to just stay on the sidelines and watch the game, you are very far out of the loop. Hawk dads just keep up their denial.

LMAO - so an Arden parent thinks they are in the Hawks loop?

Someone thinks they are important.

Don't need to be in the Hawks loop. The kids all know each other. When a kid that used to be in a grade ahead of them suddenly is in their grade, then they kind of figure out he's a holdback. And when they are in the same grade and a kid has a birthday in April and is older than they are, they kind of figure out they are a holdback at some point.

Stop being stupid about this. Everyone knows who the older kids are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was all the other tryouts this weekend.
Crabs?
RR?
FCA?
89+2?

It sounds like Hawks was a good turn out. A little positive feed back would be good. Going to be another very competitive year fro this age group.
I think this site is over the hatred API dads have for the Hawks. You have made it very clear . The rest of the lax community doesn't care.

Is 2022 89 + 2 the team to beat again this year. Looks like they were the best overall last year. Did MM lose any due to his behavior?

LOL. Yes, 6 kids and 2 coaches left. Less than 20 kids came to tryouts. Wouldn't expect too much from 9D1 this year. Filled in with cast offs from other clubs.

Don't forget about the 91MD - 91TX connection. Possibly 91NC kids now also?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

RR is getting some of the 9D1 kids that fill in the weak spots. RR will be strong .

And a fogo coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was all the other tryouts this weekend.
Crabs?
RR?
FCA?
89+2?

It sounds like Hawks was a good turn out. A little positive feed back would be good. Going to be another very competitive year fro this age group.
I think this site is over the hatred API dads have for the Hawks. You have made it very clear . The rest of the lax community doesn't care.

Is 2022 89 + 2 the team to beat again this year. Looks like they were the best overall last year. Did MM lose any due to his behavior?

LOL. Yes, 6 kids and 2 coaches left. Less than 20 kids came to tryouts. Wouldn't expect too much from 9D1 this year. Filled in with cast offs from other clubs.

Well as long as his kid is on team...all is well in MM land!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]

Denial? Where in the post does it deny anything. Your comeback is weak and totally ignores the post. Just more bashing of a club that you are bitter towards. Your holdback jab is for the birds . If you want to play on an Elite 8th grade team this year than 90%of the teams will have at least 1 holdback player on it. That is a small fact in the small lax club community. It furthers proves who you are and how lame you are. Thanks again for the amusement.

The only amusement to date is this lame post. Keep defending the face that Hawks 2022 will be loaded with holdbacks, not just one, more like 7 to 8. Known fact. You need to just stay on the sidelines and watch the game, you are very far out of the loop. Hawk dads just keep up their denial.

LMAO - so an Arden parent thinks they are in the Hawks loop?

Someone thinks they are important.

Don't need to be in the Hawks loop. The kids all know each other. When a kid that used to be in a grade ahead of them suddenly is in their grade, then they kind of figure out he's a holdback. And when they are in the same grade and a kid has a birthday in April and is older than they are, they kind of figure out they are a holdback at some point.

Stop being stupid about this. Everyone knows who the older kids are.

Detective Holdback closes another case.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Learn from the best program . You mean Duke's . Yes my son plays for them too. 10-4

The Dukes are nothing more than laundry.

The team that you practice with weekly, year after year, is the team that deserves credit for development and being a great program.

All star teams that meet 5 or 6 times a year are not programs.

So what's really wrong with holdbacks it's not breaking the rules. What's problem..if a team has a lot of holdbacks and you have problem with that then don't tryout to be part of that team go another team .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what's really wrong with holdbacks it's not breaking the rules. What's problem..if a team has a lot of holdbacks and you have problem with that then don't tryout to be part of that team go another team .

Hi. You must be new here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was all the other tryouts this weekend.
Crabs?
RR?
FCA?
89+2?

It sounds like Hawks was a good turn out. A little positive feed back would be good. Going to be another very competitive year fro this age group.
I think this site is over the hatred API dads have for the Hawks. You have made it very clear . The rest of the lax community doesn't care.

Is 2022 89 + 2 the team to beat again this year. Looks like they were the best overall last year. Did MM lose any due to his behavior?

Lost 8 players and 2 coaches because of his behavior.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what's really wrong with holdbacks it's not breaking the rules. What's problem..if a team has a lot of holdbacks and you have problem with that then don't tryout to be part of that team go another team .

You must be new to lacrosse and new to the English language.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]

Denial? Where in the post does it deny anything. Your comeback is weak and totally ignores the post. Just more bashing of a club that you are bitter towards. Your holdback jab is for the birds . If you want to play on an Elite 8th grade team this year than 90%of the teams will have at least 1 holdback player on it. That is a small fact in the small lax club community. It furthers proves who you are and how lame you are. Thanks again for the amusement.

The only amusement to date is this lame post. Keep defending the face that Hawks 2022 will be loaded with holdbacks, not just one, more like 7 to 8. Known fact. You need to just stay on the sidelines and watch the game, you are very far out of the loop. Hawk dads just keep up their denial.

LMAO - so an Arden parent thinks they are in the Hawks loop?

Someone thinks they are important.

Don't need to be in the Hawks loop. The kids all know each other. When a kid that used to be in a grade ahead of them suddenly is in their grade, then they kind of figure out he's a holdback. And when they are in the same grade and a kid has a birthday in April and is older than they are, they kind of figure out they are a holdback at some point.

Stop being stupid about this. Everyone knows who the older kids are.

Detective Holdback closes another case.

And detective as*hole makes another stupid post.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was all the other tryouts this weekend.
Crabs?
RR?
FCA?
89+2?

It sounds like Hawks was a good turn out. A little positive feed back would be good. Going to be another very competitive year fro this age group.
I think this site is over the hatred API dads have for the Hawks. You have made it very clear . The rest of the lax community doesn't care.

Is 2022 89 + 2 the team to beat again this year. Looks like they were the best overall last year. Did MM lose any due to his behavior?

LOL. Yes, 6 kids and 2 coaches left. Less than 20 kids came to tryouts. Wouldn't expect too much from 9D1 this year. Filled in with cast offs from other clubs.

Don't forget about the 91MD - 91TX connection. Possibly 91NC kids now also?

MM will have to fly in half his team! What a joke!!

No not new just asking . Is it because my holdback son takes position away from your son . Because lacrosse is grade base it's not cheating or breaking any rules . So what is the problem your kids cant' compete that's not problem

[quote=Anonymous]No not new just asking . Is it because my holdback son takes position away from your son . Because lacrosse is grade base it's not cheating or breaking any rules . So what is the problem your kids cant' compete that's not problem [/

Your troll game needs some serious work.

Make sure not to tryout for Breakers. What a scam show. Browning is a liar.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Make sure not to tryout for Breakers. What a scam show. Browning is a liar.

Are Breakers still owned by the Owner of Aloha Tournaments??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Make sure not to tryout for Breakers. What a scam show. Browning is a liar.

Are Breakers still owned by the Owner of Aloha Tournaments??

Yes, pay to play in only their tourneys. Smart but corrupt.

Yet they can only get 3 boys to come out for 2025...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]

Denial? Where in the post does it deny anything. Your comeback is weak and totally ignores the post. Just more bashing of a club that you are bitter towards. Your holdback jab is for the birds . If you want to play on an Elite 8th grade team this year than 90%of the teams will have at least 1 holdback player on it. That is a small fact in the small lax club community. It furthers proves who you are and how lame you are. Thanks again for the amusement.

The only amusement to date is this lame post. Keep defending the face that Hawks 2022 will be loaded with holdbacks, not just one, more like 7 to 8. Known fact. You need to just stay on the sidelines and watch the game, you are very far out of the loop. Hawk dads just keep up their denial.

LMAO - so an Arden parent thinks they are in the Hawks loop?

Someone thinks they are important.

Don't need to be in the Hawks loop. The kids all know each other. When a kid that used to be in a grade ahead of them suddenly is in their grade, then they kind of figure out he's a holdback. And when they are in the same grade and a kid has a birthday in April and is older than they are, they kind of figure out they are a holdback at some point.

Stop being stupid about this. Everyone knows who the older kids are.

Detective Holdback closes another case.

And detective as*hole makes another stupid post.

SOMEONE IS BITTER

Will you be BITTER after your son gets cut soon or you are strung along for a week or 2 waiting to see if someone turns down a spot. All other tryouts are over so say hi to the 2 grand B team. lol. dummies

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will you be BITTER after your son gets cut soon or you are strung along for a week or 2 waiting to see if someone turns down a spot. All other tryouts are over so say hi to the 2 grand B team. lol. dummies

There you go thinking you are IN the loop.

Mr Important.

You really need to stick to taking pictures.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will you be BITTER after your son gets cut soon or you are strung along for a week or 2 waiting to see if someone turns down a spot. All other tryouts are over so say hi to the 2 grand B team. lol. dummies

Do you think API will be able to compete with the B team? If what you are saying happens it sounds like the B team will be better than API. Considering those players put it on them twice this past year.

Api will beat the age base Bteam and will compete against your JV high school team

It's all a money grab

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will you be BITTER after your son gets cut soon or you are strung along for a week or 2 waiting to see if someone turns down a spot. All other tryouts are over so say hi to the 2 grand B team. lol. dummies

There you go thinking you are IN the loop.

Mr Important.

You really need to stick to taking pictures.

I will give him credit he does take nice pictures.

What is the deal with Breakers?

cmon fogo dads... kiss and make up!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the deal with Breakers?

Where's the tryout? The players doing the "circuit" want to come.

The parents that make their sons go to all of these tryouts knowing they won't take the spot anyways are idiots.

Let's your son finish out his summer before you burn him out. He is already on a team. Waste of money

Is it true that club blue will have two teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it true that club blue will have two teams

They are trying to do the madlax model of an md team and a va team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The parents that make their sons go to all of these tryouts knowing they won't take the spot anyways are idiots.

Let's your son finish out his summer before you burn him out. He is already on a team. Waste of money

Unless you are the coaches son, you should have a backup club. (And there have been instances where assistant coaches kids have been cut)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the deal with Breakers?

Where's the tryout? The players doing the "circuit" want to come.

What happened to the breakers? I know T91MD took a lot of kids and coaches but they were a solid organization that I thought would get past it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No not new just asking . Is it because my holdback son takes position away from your son . Because lacrosse is grade base it's not cheating or breaking any rules . So what is the problem your kids cant' compete that's not problem

Some people are just nostalgic to how things were in 3rd grade. Those were the days...

Poor management. Stay away.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Api will beat the age base Bteam and will compete against your JV high school team

that is a foolish statement

The hate needs to stop

Agreed. The hate needs to stop. What is sad is that the same club directors, coaches, and parents that spoke out against early recruiting by colleges, are now are completely complicit with their clubs aggressively recruiting 6-9th graders, the bashing of other clubs and coaches, all with promise of future stardom and recognition on their clubs for the purpose of being noticed at the HS level. Flat out sad... flat out sad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

cmon fogo dads... kiss and make up!

what is this in reference to?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

cmon fogo dads... kiss and make up!

So that is who is responsible for this nonsense??? Let's just break out the ruler and see who is the better man. If it's a tie(@2.2inches probably ) just pick a goalie from Hawks and Diamondbacks and you 2 clowns can have a braveheart to see who is the bigger man.

Ha ha... fogo dad's... braveheart... I see what you did there

Oh you know! Everyone knows! You just don't know everyone knows!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed. The hate needs to stop. What is sad is that the same club directors, coaches, and parents that spoke out against early recruiting by colleges, are now are completely complicit with their clubs aggressively recruiting 6-9th graders, the bashing of other clubs and coaches, all with promise of future stardom and recognition on their clubs for the purpose of being noticed at the HS level. Flat out sad... flat out sad.

The sad part for many club directors is money and ego/bragging rights. More focus needs to be placed on the development of their players, regardless of the age level, develop your players. If you don't have the coaches that can do it, find ones who will or just keep quite and hope for the best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh you know! Everyone knows! You just don't know everyone knows!

And if you don't know, just ask detective holdback.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed. The hate needs to stop. What is sad is that the same club directors, coaches, and parents that spoke out against early recruiting by colleges, are now are completely complicit with their clubs aggressively recruiting 6-9th graders, the bashing of other clubs and coaches, all with promise of future stardom and recognition on their clubs for the purpose of being noticed at the HS level. Flat out sad... flat out sad.

The sad part for many club directors is money and ego/bragging rights. More focus needs to be placed on the development of their players, regardless of the age level, develop your players. If you don't have the coaches that can do it, find ones who will or just keep quite and hope for the best.

Enlighten us. Who are the coaches who continue to develop their players vs. just collecting talented players?

MM team locked and loaded

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MM team locked and loaded

All 15 of them

Those 15 are just the MD kids, don't forget about the TX kids that he will bring in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed. The hate needs to stop. What is sad is that the same club directors, coaches, and parents that spoke out against early recruiting by colleges, are now are completely complicit with their clubs aggressively recruiting 6-9th graders, the bashing of other clubs and coaches, all with promise of future stardom and recognition on their clubs for the purpose of being noticed at the HS level. Flat out sad... flat out sad.

The sad part for many club directors is money and ego/bragging rights. More focus needs to be placed on the development of their players, regardless of the age level, develop your players. If you don't have the coaches that can do it, find ones who will or just keep quite and hope for the best.

Enlighten us. Who are the coaches who continue to develop their players vs. just collecting talented players?

. Ask around, see what clubs work with their players and which ones just recruit a player(s) for the short term. You need to enlighten yourself. You seem to have an attitude.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed. The hate needs to stop. What is sad is that the same club directors, coaches, and parents that spoke out against early recruiting by colleges, are now are completely complicit with their clubs aggressively recruiting 6-9th graders, the bashing of other clubs and coaches, all with promise of future stardom and recognition on their clubs for the purpose of being noticed at the HS level. Flat out sad... flat out sad.

The sad part for many club directors is money and ego/bragging rights. More focus needs to be placed on the development of their players, regardless of the age level, develop your players. If you don't have the coaches that can do it, find ones who will or just keep quite and hope for the best.

Enlighten us. Who are the coaches who continue to develop their players vs. just collecting talented players?

. Ask around, see what clubs work with their players and which ones just recruit a player(s) for the short term. You need to enlighten yourself. You seem to have an attitude.

It appeared that only the Crabs and API from last year did a poor job developing their players.(not to say they are not very good teams) Being around the club scene for a while now I would say all the clubs do a good job developing players. It is very clear to see which teams get better year to year and even from start to finish in a season. EVERY single club does some sort of recruiting every year to better their overall team. This is perfectly normal behavior for any level of any sport. If a player doesn't feel he is being developed than most likely they will leave which is also perfectly ok. This also happens at the REC level across the country. I don't get how people come on here bashing clubs , coaches, leagues that you signed up for. Signed up knowing exactly what the rules and guidelines are. If you want your kid to play at the ELITE or AA level then this is the landscape for now.(until USL changes their age dates again or USL and club come to some unified agreement for all to play by) Until then there is at least a dozen of grade or age base teams to play on this year. HOCO has Elite,AA,A,B,C and also has age group teams for those so sensitive to the cause. The majority of Clubs including the 2 mentioned before have some of the best coaching and staff in all of lacrosse.(at least on paper) All clubs have ALL American , Pro, High School, College coaches working with their players. Thus the business side of this , if you want to coach your kid still and feel he is being treated unfairly and as a Parent you didn't really know what you signed up for then there is a ton of Rec organizations that do a great job with young players. If you only want to spew negativity along with all the other parents on here that feel slighted or cheated because they signed up for something they shouldn't have,this site should set up a cry baby page and leave this one to those that do care or don't care about holdbacks, ego,bragging rights,club bashing, coach bashing, smart [lacrosse] parents that comment anonymously like tough guys.
What is sad is parents complaining about something they know full well and still signed up for. Do you expect sympathy or to actually take your comments seriously when you clearly are not smart enough to know what you signed up for.

Clubs can't spend the time developing players you kool aid drinker... they have to win and work on team plays and such. Wins gets kids to tryouts. The good kids have natural talent and size at this age. They also work on their own. Clubs don't develop anything more than marketing materials and uniforms. Parents develop kids and coaches help in small pieces. Clubs, collect money and pay bills. 90% of club coaches success comes from recruiting the best kids, not developing them. In HS and college they develop.

This forum is a waste of my time and energy. See ya'll. Good luck to your sons, hoping they are unaffected by this kind of nonsense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clubs can't spend the time developing players you kool aid drinker... they have to win and work on team plays and such. Wins gets kids to tryouts. The good kids have natural talent and size at this age. They also work on their own. Clubs don't develop anything more than marketing materials and uniforms. Parents develop kids and coaches help in small pieces. Clubs, collect money and pay bills. 90% of club coaches success comes from recruiting the best kids, not developing them. In HS and college they develop.

and that is why Crabs is imploding right now....

Will it be a A and B or completely separate

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This forum is a waste of my time and energy. See ya'll. Good luck to your sons, hoping they are unaffected by this kind of nonsense.

You will be back. You won't be able to help yourself. I even bet it will be by dinner time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This forum is a waste of my time and energy. See ya'll. Good luck to your sons, hoping they are unaffected by this kind of nonsense.

You will be back. You won't be able to help yourself. I even bet it will be by dinner time.

This forum is not for the weak. lol

So did the Hawks pickup any API players? What teams improved the most? Any AA teams jumping up to the elite this year or dropping down?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MM team locked and loaded

And ready for another run at being best team again in country lead by the attack!

Wish I had a 2022 son .. this board stays poppin ... maybe I can stir something up in 2021 boys or 2025 girls

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So did the Hawks pickup any API players? What teams improved the most? Any AA teams jumping up to the elite this year or dropping down?

Crabs will stay in the Elite division but half their team is leaving.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So did the Hawks pickup any API players? What teams improved the most? Any AA teams jumping up to the elite this year or dropping down?

Hawks have one more tryout this Sun.

Rumors of 2022 Koopers jumping up to Elite bracket as the 2022 eligible players from 2021 will likely play with 2022s during spring and 2021s during summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This forum is a waste of my time and energy. See ya'll. Good luck to your sons, hoping they are unaffected by this kind of nonsense.

Please don't leave us...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So did the Hawks pickup any API players? What teams improved the most? Any AA teams jumping up to the elite this year or dropping down?

Hawks have one more tryout this Sun.

Rumors of 2022 Koopers jumping up to Elite bracket as the 2022 eligible players from 2021 will likely play with 2022s during spring and 2021s during summer.

Wrong. Koopers will have two 2022 teams. Their original 2022 team, and then a new 2022 team made up of the 2021 players as well as kids from Philly and other places.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So did the Hawks pickup any API players? What teams improved the most? Any AA teams jumping up to the elite this year or dropping down?

Hawks have one more tryout this Sun.

Rumors of 2022 Koopers jumping up to Elite bracket as the 2022 eligible players from 2021 will likely play with 2022s during spring and 2021s during summer.

Wrong. Koopers will have two 2022 teams. Their original 2022 team, and then a new 2022 team made up of the 2021 players as well as kids from Philly and other places.

Wrong!! One team and hoping to go AA! 2021s are staying on 2021 but being fostered on 2022, if needed. My son is on the team. Get your facts straight!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Those 15 are just the MD kids, don't forget about the TX kids that he will bring in.

Exactly...no one cares Mark if your team is lock and loaded! Your post on Instagram was ridiculous and aimed at the players that left! They are the true leaders for leaving your team and not standing up to your bullying and abusive behavior anymore! Hope more follow their lead.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MM team locked and loaded

And ready for another run at being best team again in country lead by the attack!

Really Mac, promoting yourself! You are not the best attack in the country! Your are selfish and a ball hog. Daddy sets every play up so you get the ball and can attempt to score with your horrible sidearm shot. The team would have done much better if you learned to pass the ball and be a team player not a self promoter!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So did the Hawks pickup any API players? What teams improved the most? Any AA teams jumping up to the elite this year or dropping down?

Hawks have one more tryout this Sun.

Rumors of 2022 Koopers jumping up to Elite bracket as the 2022 eligible players from 2021 will likely play with 2022s during spring and 2021s during summer.

Wrong. Koopers will have two 2022 teams. Their original 2022 team, and then a new 2022 team made up of the 2021 players as well as kids from Philly and other places.

Wrong!! One team and hoping to go AA! 2021s are staying on 2021 but being fostered on 2022, if needed. My son is on the team. Get your facts straight!

Fostered? so the 2022 eligible 2021s are playing for Koopers 2022 in the HoCo spring league?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So did the Hawks pickup any API players? What teams improved the most? Any AA teams jumping up to the elite this year or dropping down?

Hawks have one more tryout this Sun.

Rumors of 2022 Koopers jumping up to Elite bracket as the 2022 eligible players from 2021 will likely play with 2022s during spring and 2021s during summer.

Wrong. Koopers will have two 2022 teams. Their original 2022 team, and then a new 2022 team made up of the 2021 players as well as kids from Philly and other places.

Wrong!! One team and hoping to go AA! 2021s are staying on 2021 but being fostered on 2022, if needed. My son is on the team. Get your facts straight!

LOL. OK. Guess you didn't notice the crew of kids from Philly and other programs at Saturdays tryout. It's a separate team. Guess you weren't invited to the invitation only team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So did the Hawks pickup any API players? What teams improved the most? Any AA teams jumping up to the elite this year or dropping down?

Hawks have one more tryout this Sun.

Rumors of 2022 Koopers jumping up to Elite bracket as the 2022 eligible players from 2021 will likely play with 2022s during spring and 2021s during summer.

Wrong. Koopers will have two 2022 teams. Their original 2022 team, and then a new 2022 team made up of the 2021 players as well as kids from Philly and other places.

Wrong!! One team and hoping to go AA! 2021s are staying on 2021 but being fostered on 2022, if needed. My son is on the team. Get your facts straight!

Fostered? so the 2022 eligible 2021s are playing for Koopers 2022 in the HoCo spring league?

No. There will be a second team that apparently they haven't told the existing 2022 parents about. It will be a combination of the 2022 kids that play on Koopers 21 and other kids from the Dukes National Team. They will be playing in HOCO as Dukes Nationals apparently. Those same kids will play as a second Koopers 2022 team in the summer.

Koopers plays their kids up not down. I would be surprised if the 2022s drop down unless they want to make a statement to the holdback clubs that they are not nearly as good as they think they are. Or maybe the 2022s want to play in the spring. In any case, kudos to them- thats the best group of 2022s I've seen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MM team locked and loaded

And ready for another run at being best team again in country lead by the attack!

Really Mac, promoting yourself! You are not the best attack in the country! Your are selfish and a ball hog. Dad
dy sets every play up so you get the ball and can attempt to score with your horrible sidearm shot. The team would have done much better if you learned to pass the ball and be a team player not a self promoter!

Really Dad? The adults running programs may deserve critism but calling out a kid is absolutely pathetic. You should be ashamed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers plays their kids up not down. I would be surprised if the 2022s drop down unless they want to make a statement to the holdback clubs that they are not nearly as good as they think they are. Or maybe the 2022s want to play in the spring. In any case, kudos to them- thats the best group of 2022s I've seen.

Has anyone seen Koopers play all eligible 2022s as 2022s?

Their 2021 is ok, their 2022 is not very good, so how can you say they are the best group of 2022s?

It will be great to see them play their best 2022 kids this spring to see how good they really are. They will be vastly improved with a goalie, two attack, 1 defender playing on age as well as another defender reclassing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MM team locked and loaded

And ready for another run at being best team again in country lead by the attack!

Really Mac, promoting yourself! You are not the best attack in the country! Your are selfish and a ball hog. Dad
dy sets every play up so you get the ball and can attempt to score with your horrible sidearm shot. The team would have done much better if you learned to pass the ball and be a team player not a self promoter!

Really Dad? The adults running programs may deserve critism but calling out a kid is absolutely pathetic. You should be ashamed

The truth hurts!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MM team locked and loaded

And ready for another run at being best team again in country lead by the attack!

Really Mac, promoting yourself! You are not the best attack in the country! Your are selfish and a ball hog. Daddy sets every play up so you get the ball and can attempt to score with your horrible sidearm shot. The team would have done much better if you learned to pass the ball and be a team player not a self promoter!

Cream rises to the top

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MM team locked and loaded

And ready for another run at being best team again in country lead by the attack!

Really Mac, promoting yourself! You are not the best attack in the country! Your are selfish and a ball hog. Daddy sets every play up so you get the ball and can attempt to score with your horrible sidearm shot. The team would have done much better if you learned to pass the ball and be a team player not a self promoter!

Cream rises to the top

So does [lacrosse] in a toilet bowl................

Can we please avoid confrontations with children?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers plays their kids up not down. I would be surprised if the 2022s drop down unless they want to make a statement to the holdback clubs that they are not nearly as good as they think they are. Or maybe the 2022s want to play in the spring. In any case, kudos to them- thats the best group of 2022s I've seen.

Has anyone seen Koopers play all eligible 2022s as 2022s?

Their 2021 is ok, their 2022 is not very good, so how can you say they are the best group of 2022s?

It will be great to see them play their best 2022 kids this spring to see how good they really are. They will be vastly improved with a goalie, two attack, 1 defender playing on age as well as another defender reclassing.

Best you've ever seen. You can't be serious. 2022 Koopers team ? Or Dukes team ? Neither are the best team at the age group. Lets all remember Dukes National team is made up of some of the best players from many teams. An ALL STAR team. If any of the other top teams at this age group decide to let their players try out for Dukes or put their own ALL STAR team together it wouldnt even be close. Most of the players won't have a spot on that team.
Good luck to both teams because they will need it to play against the top teams .

Dukes Nationals have killed the best teams, and I think they will continue to do so. Those kids play together once a month, and from what I understand, It's next to impossible to have all of their top players together for a single game or tourney. Those kids have skill, heart, work ethic and lax IQ. More importantly, they look like they have a ton of fun and exude good sportsmanship to our players when they played them. I've seen them play, as well as other top teams this summer and last summer. I assume they will keep getting better too. You gotta give them credit even though it's hard to admit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals have killed the best teams, and I think they will continue to do so. Those kids play together once a month, and from what I understand, It's next to impossible to have all of their top players together for a single game or tourney. Those kids have skill, heart, work ethic and lax IQ. More importantly, they look like they have a ton of fun and exude good sportsmanship to our players when they played them. I've seen them play, as well as other top teams this summer and last summer. I assume they will keep getting better too. You gotta give them credit even though it's hard to admit.

DN have not killed the best teams. They had one good tournament this summer beat Hawks at nap town. Lost to Express in Boston with the same team that played in Annapolis. Also played up in tournament NY playing up 2021 went 1-3 Lot of new kids and parents trying hype DN like is the greatest team ever. Minicamps are good tournament teams ok and yes my son has played on DN for the last 2 years. It's extra lacrosse for kids that want more than just their Maryland club.

King Crab is coaching the 2022s. Good luck to those boys.

I don't understand why it matters so much being on the "best team". The top 10 Teams(18-22 players) in the country are 1-3 players away from shifting 5 spots on the competitive totem pole. Played in many games in my career and got smoked, or crushed another team for no great reason. Good days/Bad days. Won games that should have been lost and lost games that should have been won. The whole bragging rights argument at 2022 is kind of insane. If you are not winning, you should be learning. What is the coaching like? Does your son love his teammates? Is your kid having fun and being inspired to be a great player in the future? If you have great coaching and your son is a better player at the end of the season than they were at the beginning, and cant wait to get back on the field and play again, the whole status thing is kind of just for the parents. I'm seeing so many kids these days willing to jump on a team and ride the pine, just so the player and parents can say they play for Team "XXX" and wear a T-shirt around? I would rather see my kid play a lot, preferably through some adversity and challenge the team and players to become better. That is player/team development, not just a contest of who can recruit the top talent from a 200 mile radius and win games. That's just a popularity contest and if you want to see how that works out, just go compare some current pictures to the yearbook pictures of the girls you thought were smokin hot back in High School!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals have killed the best teams, and I think they will continue to do so. Those kids play together once a month, and from what I understand, It's next to impossible to have all of their top players together for a single game or tourney. Those kids have skill, heart, work ethic and lax IQ. More importantly, they look like they have a ton of fun and exude good sportsmanship to our players when they played them. I've seen them play, as well as other top teams this summer and last summer. I assume they will keep getting better too. You gotta give them credit even though it's hard to admit.

DN have not killed the best teams. They had one good tournament this summer beat Hawks at nap town. Lost to Express in Boston with the same team that played in Annapolis. Also played up in tournament NY playing up 2021 went 1-3 Lot of new kids and parents trying hype DN like is the greatest team ever. Minicamps are good tournament teams ok and yes my son has played on DN for the last 2 years. It's extra lacrosse for kids that want more than just their Maryland club.

If you have been on the team for 2 years then you know that the team that lost by a goal to Express in Boston was not even close to the team that hammered Hawks and Express in the last month. There has been a lot of turnover on DN in the last 6 months and many kids that were on the team 2 years ago are either gone or sitting the bench.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals have killed the best teams, and I think they will continue to do so. Those kids play together once a month, and from what I understand, It's next to impossible to have all of their top players together for a single game or tourney. Those kids have skill, heart, work ethic and lax IQ. More importantly, they look like they have a ton of fun and exude good sportsmanship to our players when they played them. I've seen them play, as well as other top teams this summer and last summer. I assume they will keep getting better too. You gotta give them credit even though it's hard to admit.

DN have not killed the best teams. They had one good tournament this summer beat Hawks at nap town. Lost to Express in Boston with the same team that played in Annapolis. Also played up in tournament NY playing up 2021 went 1-3 Lot of new kids and parents trying hype DN like is the greatest team ever. Minicamps are good tournament teams ok and yes my son has played on DN for the last 2 years. It's extra lacrosse for kids that want more than just their Maryland club.

If you have been on the team for 2 years then you know that the team that lost by a goal to Express in Boston was not even close to the team that hammered Hawks and Express in the last month. There has been a lot of turnover on DN in the last 6 months and many kids that were on the team 2 years ago are either gone or sitting the bench.

The line up changes every time Dukes Nationals plays. Generally, if they have the Koopers 2021 kids, they kick but. Otherwise they are just ok.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals have killed the best teams, and I think they will continue to do so. Those kids play together once a month, and from what I understand, It's next to impossible to have all of their top players together for a single game or tourney. Those kids have skill, heart, work ethic and lax IQ. More importantly, they look like they have a ton of fun and exude good sportsmanship to our players when they played them. I've seen them play, as well as other top teams this summer and last summer. I assume they will keep getting better too. You gotta give them credit even though it's hard to admit.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree about the sportsmanship, at least regarding some of the Dukes kids at Naptown. I have never seen such arrogant 13 year olds in my life. I was embarrassed for them despite the fact that they played well. Their behavior was appalling.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals have killed the best teams, and I think they will continue to do so. Those kids play together once a month, and from what I understand, It's next to impossible to have all of their top players together for a single game or tourney. Those kids have skill, heart, work ethic and lax IQ. More importantly, they look like they have a ton of fun and exude good sportsmanship to our players when they played them. I've seen them play, as well as other top teams this summer and last summer. I assume they will keep getting better too. You gotta give them credit even though it's hard to admit.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree about the sportsmanship, at least regarding some of the Dukes kids at Naptown. I have never seen such arrogant 13 year olds in my life. I was embarrassed for them despite the fact that they played well. Their behavior was appalling.

Please provide an example of poor sportsmanship that you witnessed by any of those boys in Annapolis. I was at every game and never saw any trash talking or showboating going on.

I saw them hold the ball for the last 7 minutes of the 4th Q and not shoot any more

DN: far too much turnover, lack of development credibility (good minicamps but not enough to make it stick), good recruiters with connections

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals have killed the best teams, and I think they will continue to do so. Those kids play together once a month, and from what I understand, It's next to impossible to have all of their top players together for a single game or tourney. Those kids have skill, heart, work ethic and lax IQ. More importantly, they look like they have a ton of fun and exude good sportsmanship to our players when they played them. I've seen them play, as well as other top teams this summer and last summer. I assume they will keep getting better too. You gotta give them credit even though it's hard to admit.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree about the sportsmanship, at least regarding some of the Dukes kids at Naptown. I have never seen such arrogant 13 year olds in my life. I was embarrassed for them despite the fact that they played well. Their behavior was appalling.

Please provide an example of poor sportsmanship that you witnessed by any of those boys in Annapolis. I was at every game and never saw any trash talking or showboating going on.

They are the typical arrogant lax bros.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DN: far too much turnover, lack of development credibility (good minicamps but not enough to make it stick), good recruiters with connections

It's not Dukes Nationals that's so good. It's the Koopers 2021 kids. They make all the teams the play for better - Crabs, T91, Dukes, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So did the Hawks pickup any API players? What teams improved the most? Any AA teams jumping up to the elite this year or dropping down?

Crabs will stay in the Elite division but half their team is leaving.

They have to leave because they graduated.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals have killed the best teams, and I think they will continue to do so. Those kids play together once a month, and from what I understand, It's next to impossible to have all of their top players together for a single game or tourney. Those kids have skill, heart, work ethic and lax IQ. More importantly, they look like they have a ton of fun and exude good sportsmanship to our players when they played them. I've seen them play, as well as other top teams this summer and last summer. I assume they will keep getting better too. You gotta give them credit even though it's hard to admit.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree about the sportsmanship, at least regarding some of the Dukes kids at Naptown. I have never seen such arrogant 13 year olds in my life. I was embarrassed for them despite the fact that they played well. Their behavior was appalling.

Please provide an example of poor sportsmanship that you witnessed by any of those boys in Annapolis. I was at every game and never saw any trash talking or showboating going on.

Then you weren't listening. Absolutely goading other players throughout the games. You must have been on the other side of the field. I have no reason to make it up. I was just observing. It was blatant. And embarrassing.I won't get specific bc then I'd be pointing out kids.

That's just crazy. I was there and Dukes kids didn't say a word or act arrogant. They definitely honored the game in every way. Ask anyone they played against in that tournament and they will say the same thing. They did possess the ball against the Hawks for the last 2 minutes or so but despite getting unsportsmanlike slashes and hacks from the opponent, they kept their composure and sportsmanship. Honestly, this person sounds like a poor sport unable to accept a defeat from a very capable team. It's ok to lose, even if it's your own club's tourney, but do so with dignity, regroup and work harder. You don't need to make things up because of a rare loss. That's not the spirit of the creator's game........

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So did the Hawks pickup any API players? What teams improved the most? Any AA teams jumping up to the elite this year or dropping down?

Crabs will stay in the Elite division but half their team is leaving.

They have to leave because they graduated.

Crabs 2022 seems to have to rebuild every year. It's been 3 years since they had a coach that didn't insult the players on a regular basis.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So did the Hawks pickup any API players? What teams improved the most? Any AA teams jumping up to the elite this year or dropping down?

Crabs will stay in the Elite division but half their team is leaving.

They have to leave because they graduated.

Crabs 2022 seems to have to rebuild every year. It's been 3 years since they had a coach that didn't insult the players on a regular basis.

Looks like the '21s are showing up. VLC and Club Blue 2021s on Crabs 2022 roster that I recognize.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That's just crazy. I was there and Dukes kids didn't say a word or act arrogant. They definitely honored the game in every way. Ask anyone they played against in that tournament and they will say the same thing. They did possess the ball against the Hawks for the last 2 minutes or so but despite getting unsportsmanlike slashes and hacks from the opponent, they kept their composure and sportsmanship. Honestly, this person sounds like a poor sport unable to accept a defeat from a very capable team. It's ok to lose, even if it's your own club's tourney, but do so with dignity, regroup and work harder. You don't need to make things up because of a rare loss. That's not the spirit of the creator's game........

? Nothing to do with Hawks. What are you talking about?

A lot of tryouts today

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So did the Hawks pickup any API players? What teams improved the most? Any AA teams jumping up to the elite this year or dropping down?

Crabs will stay in the Elite division but half their team is leaving.

They have to leave because they graduated.

Crabs 2022 seems to have to rebuild every year. It's been 3 years since they had a coach that didn't insult the players on a regular basis.

Well at least they had one 4 years ago.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So did the Hawks pickup any API players? What teams improved the most? Any AA teams jumping up to the elite this year or dropping down?

Crabs will stay in the Elite division but half their team is leaving.

They have to leave because they graduated.

Crabs 2022 seems to have to rebuild every year. It's been 3 years since they had a coach that didn't insult the players on a regular basis.

Well at least they had one 4 years ago.

They've been through 3 different coaching staff and under performed for each of them. At some point it's the kids right?

DC Express...thee absolute worst, most unprofessional, cluster @#$% of an excuse for a try out I've ever had the unfortunate luck to witness.

How can a group of guys that actually played the game at a high level hold something so low level and terrible. I mean, rec leagues do it better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Express...thee absolute worst, most unprofessional, cluster @#$% of an excuse for a try out I've ever had the unfortunate luck to witness.

How can a group of guys that actually played the game at a high level hold something so low level and terrible. I mean, rec leagues do it better.

Completely disagree - I think they do it right.
- Very few 1 on 1 drills which are unrealistic in real games
- First day mixed games to see who could play
- Second day best players from day one competed on same field to see which ones were A team, and which were B team
- Rest of the players competed to see who would fill out the B roster

Club Blue was well run, lots of talent the only compliant is the parking. Lots of kids drove down from MD. I think the parents drove down later after the kids as there were twice as many cars as kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Express...thee absolute worst, most unprofessional, cluster @#$% of an excuse for a try out I've ever had the unfortunate luck to witness.

How can a group of guys that actually played the game at a high level hold something so low level and terrible. I mean, rec leagues do it better.

I heard the canceled the 2019 tryouts (DC Express) if they are so happy about the talent they have they better be way above 500 this Fall and summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]So did the Hawks pickup any API players? What teams improved the most? Any AA teams jumping up to the elite this year or dropping down?

Crabs will stay in the Elite division but half their team is leaving.

They have to leave because they graduated.

This is funny.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Express...thee absolute worst, most unprofessional, cluster @#$% of an excuse for a try out I've ever had the unfortunate luck to witness.

How can a group of guys that actually played the game at a high level hold something so low level and terrible. I mean, rec leagues do it better.

Completely disagree - I think they do it right.
- Very few 1 on 1 drills which are unrealistic in real games
- First day mixed games to see who could play
- Second day best players from day one competed on same field to see which ones were A team, and which were B team
- Rest of the players competed to see who would fill out the B roster

Very few drills?....they didn't do any drills. All they did is divide the mob into groups and had them play.

Did they do drills at the "tryout prep camp" they offered for an additional $275?.....no idea, wasn't there. Did they conduct drills on Sunday?

How exactly do you see who has fundamental skills when you have random teams comprised of mostly rec league level players that can't even throw and catch or pick up a ground ball? It was hard to watch that goat rope.

It was either a money grab because they already had the team plotted from the "tryout prep camp" the week prior or the staff are just that incompetent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Express...thee absolute worst, most unprofessional, cluster @#$% of an excuse for a try out I've ever had the unfortunate luck to witness.

How can a group of guys that actually played the game at a high level hold something so low level and terrible. I mean, rec leagues do it better.

Completely disagree - I think they do it right.
- Very few 1 on 1 drills which are unrealistic in real games
- First day mixed games to see who could play
- Second day best players from day one competed on same field to see which ones were A team, and which were B team
- Rest of the players competed to see who would fill out the B roster

Very few drills?....they didn't do any drills. All they did is divide the mob into groups and had them play.

Did they do drills at the "tryout prep camp" they offered for an additional $275?.....no idea, wasn't there. Did they conduct drills on Sunday?

How exactly do you see who has fundamental skills when you have random teams comprised of mostly rec league level players that can't even throw and catch or pick up a ground ball? It was hard to watch that goat rope.

It was either a money grab because they already had the team plotted from the "tryout prep camp" the week prior or the staff are just that incompetent.

That is same way UnderArmour does their tryouts. Split them up and let the games begin. Like Thunder dome out there.

Tryouts for a top level travel club are simple. If you have a big turnout: Phase 1: Line drills to separate the chaff from the wheat (which players should I take a long hard look at) and to let players (in their off season) warm up, Phase 2:scramble/build up drills and half and full field scrimmages to really determine, of the guys with good stick skills who can play...sometimes someone without great stick skills jumps off the page in Phase 2 due to superior athleticism. Frankly the format is less important than the number and quality of position specific qualified neutral (non parents or parents who can truly be object (white rhino among youth coaches, just kidding)) evaluators you have. Obviously the HC, OC and DC should have personnel types in mind based on their schematic objectives but in the end, you have to work with what you have.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Express...thee absolute worst, most unprofessional, cluster @#$% of an excuse for a try out I've ever had the unfortunate luck to witness.

How can a group of guys that actually played the game at a high level hold something so low level and terrible. I mean, rec leagues do it better.

Completely disagree - I think they do it right.
- Very few 1 on 1 drills which are unrealistic in real games
- First day mixed games to see who could play
- Second day best players from day one competed on same field to see which ones were A team, and which were B team
- Rest of the players competed to see who would fill out the B roster

Very few drills?....they didn't do any drills. All they did is divide the mob into groups and had them play.

Did they do drills at the "tryout prep camp" they offered for an additional $275?.....no idea, wasn't there. Did they conduct drills on Sunday?

How exactly do you see who has fundamental skills when you have random teams comprised of mostly rec league level players that can't even throw and catch or pick up a ground ball? It was hard to watch that goat rope.

It was either a money grab because they already had the team plotted from the "tryout prep camp" the week prior or the staff are just that incompetent.

Defenders are supposed to drive their attackmen into the crease or the slide - how does that look in a 1v1 drill?

looking over at the "bad side" the second day, they didn't miss on any standouts

Bethesda is a Rec program. It's just that they are the best Rec program in the country. Look at their website.

Howard county is trying to do the same thing with their HoCo teams and not nearly so competitive.

Not a DC Express parent, but took my son to tryouts to see how he stacked up to the talent out there in case we have to switch teams before the spring 2018. Long timer reader, first time responding. I am responding because I could not keep quite to your post. I have taken my son to a lot of tryouts throughout his 6 years of travel lacrosse and this was one of the best tryouts he has attended. With that said, I think you are completely wrong with your evaluation of this tryout process. The best way to see if a kid can play, is by putting them in real games. If you want to buy a car, you take it for a test ride on the road, maybe even the highway to see how it performs, not in a closed course in the back of the dealer parking lot. If your son was trying out for a position which there were a lot of kids trying out for, then they had to take advantage of the few times they got to touch the ball or when the ball was on their side of the field. Even if they didn't get to touch the ball often, Were they doing the little things without being told to do so, like hustling, setting picks, communicating with their teammates, fIghting for ground balls, etc. DC Express had plenty of coaches out there evaluating all the players on two separate fields so there was no show of favortism. The kids played in four competitive games in two days, which is similar to what they would play in tournaments. By this point in their lacrosse careers, drills aren't going to show the coaches if the kid can play, when under pressure. Also by this point, the kids have to know how to catch and pass, especially on the move like in a game. Putting them in real games is the only way to correctly evaluate if they have a high lacrosse IQ, by making the right pass, moving the ball at the right times, if they can fake and pass or shot, etc. I'm sorry your son was not selected, but there was a lot of great talent trying out. It was impressive to see so many kids from so many different quality clubs trying out for DC Express. They will be a serious contender moving forward. They had quality coaches with their head on a swivel conducting evaluations. I did not see a coach looking at their phones, during the evacuation process, like I have at other tryouts. Good luck DC Express. Like, I said not a DC parent, but had the option to be.

What is the first big Fall Tourney most teams will play in ?

Looks like most teams are done with try outs, is there any still trying out?
Should be another good year for this age group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the first big Fall Tourney most teams will play in ?

Looking like Toomey's Battle On The Bay will have the best teams again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like most teams are done with try outs, is there any still trying out?
Should be another good year for this age group.

Diamondbacks, Cannons, Lax Factory, Next Level, Madlax, and VLC are the last of the higher competition level teams with one last tryout this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like most teams are done with try outs, is there any still trying out?
Should be another good year for this age group.

Diamondbacks, Cannons, Lax Factory, Next Level, Madlax, and VLC are the last of the higher competition level teams with one last tryout this weekend.

Well if cant make one of the top teams you can go to one of the last tryouts listed all B teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bethesda is a Rec program. It's just that they are the best Rec program in the country. Look at their website.

LOL. They are far from the best rec program in the nation. Every other legit rec lacrosse area is a league where each town is represented by a rec club. In Montgomery County, there are no separate rec clubs - just really Bethesda. If Fairfax or Loudoun County was just represented by a single A team per grade, they would pummel Bethesda, as would Anne Arundel County, Baltimore, counties in Long Island, etc.

I was at the Bethesda tryouts and agree that it was stupid just to play games and separate the As from the Bs for the 2nd day. Guys get fewer reps to show what they can do when it's a game and the ball is on the other side for 50% or more of the time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

cmon fogo dads... kiss and make up!

So that is who is responsible for this nonsense??? Let's just break out the ruler and see who is the better man. If it's a tie(@2.2inches probably ) just pick a goalie from Hawks and Diamondbacks and you 2 clowns can have a braveheart to see who is the bigger man.

Fogo dads now both on Hawks. We'll see if the nonsense stops .... or will it just get better?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]cmon fogo dads... kiss and make up!

So that is who is responsible for this nonsense??? Let's just break out the ruler and see who is the better man. If it's a tie(@2.2inches probably ) just pick a goalie from Hawks and Diamondbacks and you 2 clowns can have a braveheart to see who is the bigger man.

Fogo dads now both on Hawks. We'll see if the nonsense stops .... or will it just get better?

Hawks picked up some nice pieces

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]cmon fogo dads... kiss and make up!

So that is who is responsible for this nonsense??? Let's just break out the ruler and see who is the better man. If it's a tie(@2.2inches probably ) just pick a goalie from Hawks and Diamondbacks and you 2 clowns can have a braveheart to see who is the bigger man.

Fogo dads now both on Hawks. We'll see if the nonsense stops .... or will it just get better?

Hawks picked up some nice pieces

How many api players went over to the hawks?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]cmon fogo dads... kiss and make up!

So that is who is responsible for this nonsense??? Let's just break out the ruler and see who is the better man. If it's a tie(@2.2inches probably ) just pick a goalie from Hawks and Diamondbacks and you 2 clowns can have a braveheart to see who is the bigger man.

Fogo dads now both on Hawks. We'll see if the nonsense stops .... or will it just get better?

Hawks picked up some nice pieces

We will be very good again but things will feel different this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]cmon fogo dads... kiss and make up!

So that is who is responsible for this nonsense??? Let's just break out the ruler and see who is the better man. If it's a tie(@2.2inches probably ) just pick a goalie from Hawks and Diamondbacks and you 2 clowns can have a braveheart to see who is the bigger man.

Fogo dads now both on Hawks. We'll see if the nonsense stops .... or will it just get better?

Hawks picked up some nice pieces

They sure did and all of them should be playing 2021. Typical Hawks new path, holdbacks, the more, the better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]cmon fogo dads... kiss and make up!

So that is who is responsible for this nonsense??? Let's just break out the ruler and see who is the better man. If it's a tie(@2.2inches probably ) just pick a goalie from Hawks and Diamondbacks and you 2 clowns can have a braveheart to see who is the bigger man.

Fogo dads now both on Hawks. We'll see if the nonsense stops .... or will it just get better?

Hawks picked up some nice pieces

How many api players went over to the hawks?

Quite a few of their 2021's.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]cmon fogo dads... kiss and make up!

So that is who is responsible for this nonsense??? Let's just break out the ruler and see who is the better man. If it's a tie(@2.2inches probably ) just pick a goalie from Hawks and Diamondbacks and you 2 clowns can have a braveheart to see who is the bigger man.

Fogo dads now both on Hawks. We'll see if the nonsense stops .... or will it just get better?

Hawks picked up some nice pieces

How many api players went over to the hawks?

How many Hawk players went to API?

Go down the list from last years HOCO Elite division. I know there are parents from all the teams that troll this site.

Hawks
BLC
91
RR
MadLax
Crabs
Next level
FCA
API

Who is back for 2018 season???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]cmon fogo dads... kiss and make up!

So that is who is responsible for this nonsense??? Let's just break out the ruler and see who is the better man. If it's a tie(@2.2inches probably ) just pick a goalie from Hawks and Diamondbacks and you 2 clowns can have a braveheart to see who is the bigger man.

Fogo dads now both on Hawks. We'll see if the nonsense stops .... or will it just get better?

Hawks picked up some nice pieces

How many api players went over to the hawks?

How many Hawk players went to API?

Wait and see. Still having tryouts.

Pre-Fall Tournament Rankings among the 2022s?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pre-Fall Tournament Rankings among the 2022s?

Teams are not done with tryouts yet. Freak.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Go down the list from last years HOCO Elite division. I know there are parents from all the teams that troll this site.

Hawks
BLC
91
RR
MadLax
Crabs
Next level
FCA
API

Who is back for 2018 season???

NL won't be back in Elite - they lost 3 of their better players to DC Express

Then how weak is DC Express?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Go down the list from last years HOCO Elite division. I know there are parents from all the teams that troll this site.

Hawks
BLC
91
RR
MadLax
Crabs
Next level
FCA
API

Who is back for 2018 season???

NL won't be back in Elite - they lost 3 of their better players to DC Express

api won't be back in elite either.

DC Express will compete with Hawks this year. Got deeper and stronger.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Express will compete with Hawks this year. Got deeper and stronger.

FCA picked up some strong player too. The problem is, Hawks picked up a bunch also.

Koopers is the team this year, their 2021s that are really 2022s are forming a team.

RR is stronger and has the best coaches

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Express will compete with Hawks this year. Got deeper and stronger.

DC Express will have more holdbacks that's for sure

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers is the team this year, their 2021s that are really 2022s are forming a team.

Agreed - this will be the team to beat if all 5 Koopers 2021s join with the Philly all-stars.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

RR is stronger and has the best coaches

Overall they are pretty small and probably don't have enough holdbacks make a real push for the HoCo championship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Express will compete with Hawks this year. Got deeper and stronger.

FCA picked up some strong player too. The problem is, Hawks picked up a bunch also.

Did fca and Express get the kids from other teams or just reclassing within the organization?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Go down the list from last years HOCO Elite division. I know there are parents from all the teams that troll this site.

Hawks
BLC
91
RR
MadLax
Crabs
Next level
FCA
API

Who is back for 2018 season???

NL won't be back in Elite - they lost 3 of their better players to DC Express

api won't be back in elite either.

Any chance Lax Factory, Looneys, 3D , Thunder, Peninsula, or Club Blue moves up?

Fca and crabs might consider moving down also.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Go down the list from last years HOCO Elite division. I know there are parents from all the teams that troll this site.

Hawks
BLC
91
RR
MadLax
Crabs
Next level
FCA
API

Who is back for 2018 season???

NL won't be back in Elite - they lost 3 of their better players to DC Express

api won't be back in elite either.

Any chance Lax Factory, Looneys, 3D , Thunder, Peninsula, or Club Blue moves up?

Fca and crabs might consider moving down also.

Crabs and FCA will never move down, take that to the Bank. Both have former high school and/or college HCs in charge and on the staff. Coaching becomes more important as the boys get older. Both of these clubs have great connections with high school and college coaches. Lots of selfish parents out there: you have to be crazy to leave either or these two storied clubs.

I guarantee that Fca, crabs, and api willl all play in elite

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Go down the list from last years HOCO Elite division. I know there are parents from all the teams that troll this site.

Hawks
BLC
91
RR
MadLax
Crabs
Next level
FCA
API

Who is back for 2018 season???

Maybe Koopers moves up and Next Level moves down. Crabs and FCA will improve from last year. 91 and RR will move down. Hawks and Bethesda will be at the top. API might not survive.

Does it matter ..

Crabs and FCA will never move down, take that to the Bank. Both have former high school and/or college HCs in charge and on the staff. Coaching becomes more important as the boys get older. Both of these clubs have great connections with high school and college coaches. Lots of selfish parents out there: you have to be crazy to leave either or these two storied clubs. [/quote]

child please

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Go down the list from last years HOCO Elite division. I know there are parents from all the teams that troll this site.

Hawks
BLC
91
RR
MadLax
Crabs
Next level
FCA
API

Who is back for 2018 season???

Maybe Koopers moves up and Next Level moves down. Crabs and FCA will improve from last year. 91 and RR will move down. Hawks and Bethesda will be at the top. API might not survive.

RR was one of the top teams in the age group at the end of last summer. I read somewhere they had 60 boys try out. Am I missing something.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Express will compete with Hawks this year. Got deeper and stronger.

FCA picked up some strong player too. The problem is, Hawks picked up a bunch also.

Did fca and Express get the kids from other teams or just reclassing within the organization?

FCA kids from other teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Go down the list from last years HOCO Elite division. I know there are parents from all the teams that troll this site.

Hawks
BLC
91
RR
MadLax
Crabs
Next level
FCA
API

Who is back for 2018 season???

NL won't be back in Elite - they lost 3 of their better players to DC Express

api won't be back in elite either.

Any chance Lax Factory, Looneys, 3D , Thunder, Peninsula, or Club Blue moves up?

Fca and crabs might consider moving down also.

FCA will be much improved this year. Crabs is going to struggle as usual. Neither of them are moving down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Go down the list from last years HOCO Elite division. I know there are parents from all the teams that troll this site.

Hawks
BLC
91
RR
MadLax
Crabs
Next level
FCA
API

Who is back for 2018 season???

Maybe Koopers moves up and Next Level moves down. Crabs and FCA will improve from last year. 91 and RR will move down. Hawks and Bethesda will be at the top. API might not survive.

RR is much better this year. So is FCA. Crabs and 91 will struggle this year. None of them will move down.

Crabs lost several of their best players to other teams.

HOCO Elite league

Hawks
BLC
FCA
DC Express
Koopers
RR
91
Crabs
Mad lax
API

Hopefully we will all get a chance to play each other once.

Ok. Sure you are correct. But how can RR get better to compete in AA? 0-12 two years. No picks ups from best teams. No kids from AA teams rushing to RR. Stop it RR dad. Next up 0 and 18. Go A or maybe B. Take 89-2 with you. That team skews playoff seeding for teams that belong in AA. All teams don't have the luxury of the schedule for auto wins against RR and 89+2. And for that matter until this year looneys. Those 3 combined for 2-30 record in HoCo over 2 years (89 + 2 only 1 year).

2022 is the year of the reclassed 2021's... Whats the general observation...is it just a few..a lot ..or hardly any??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs lost several of their best players to other teams.

Wonder if many are switching due to schools they intend to go to in High School...Know several that have done that?/

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok. Sure you are correct. But how can RR get better to compete in AA? 0-12 two years. No picks ups from best teams. No kids from AA teams rushing to RR. Stop it RR dad. Next up 0 and 18. Go A or maybe B. Take 89-2 with you. That team skews playoff seeding for teams that belong in AA. All teams don't have the luxury of the schedule for auto wins against RR and 89+2. And for that matter until this year looneys. Those 3 combined for 2-30 record in HoCo over 2 years (89 + 2 only 1 year).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok. Sure you are correct. But how can RR get better to compete in AA? 0-12 two years. No picks ups from best teams. No kids from AA teams rushing to RR. Stop it RR dad. Next up 0 and 18. Go A or maybe B. Take 89-2 with you. That team skews playoff seeding for teams that belong in AA. All teams don't have the luxury of the schedule for auto wins against RR and 89+2. And for that matter until this year looneys. Those 3 combined for 2-30 record in HoCo over 2 years (89 + 2 only 1 year).

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok. Sure you are correct. But how can RR get better to compete in AA? 0-12 two years. No picks ups from best teams. No kids from AA teams rushing to RR. Stop it RR dad. Next up 0 and 18. Go A or maybe B. Take 89-2 with you. That team skews playoff seeding for teams that belong in AA. All teams don't have the luxury of the schedule for auto wins against RR and 89+2. And for that matter until this year looneys. Those 3 combined for 2-30 record in HoCo over 2 years (89 + 2 only 1 year).

Looks like you're talking about 2023. This is 2022 genius

Hawks 3 reclass from 2021
We know crabs 2 or 3 reclass
Fca will have some
Joining the pack is API will have 3 or 4 reclass from 2021

This year 2022 is the year of reclass

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 3 reclass from 2021
We know crabs 2 or 3 reclass
Fca will have some
Joining the pack is API will have 3 or 4 reclass from 2021

This year 2022 is the year of reclass

Thanks you detective holdback.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok. Sure you are correct. But how can RR get better to compete in AA? 0-12 two years. No picks ups from best teams. No kids from AA teams rushing to RR. Stop it RR dad. Next up 0 and 18. Go A or maybe B. Take 89-2 with you. That team skews playoff seeding for teams that belong in AA. All teams don't have the luxury of the schedule for auto wins against RR and 89+2. And for that matter until this year looneys. Those 3 combined for 2-30 record in HoCo over 2 years (89 + 2 only 1 year).

Looks like you're talking about 2023. This is 2022 genius

So clueless, yet so confident!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 3 reclass from 2021
We know crabs 2 or 3 reclass
Fca will have some
Joining the pack is API will have 3 or 4 reclass from 2021

This year 2022 is the year of reclass

Another case closed by detective holdback.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs lost several of their best players to other teams.

Wonder if many are switching due to schools they intend to go to in High School...Know several that have done that?/

I doubt the nova and Bethesda kids filling the gaps in 2022 are doing it to go to BL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO Elite league

Hawks
BLC
FCA
DC Express
Koopers
RR
91
Crabs
Mad lax
API

Hopefully we will all get a chance to play each other once.

Just think how good BLC and D.C. express could be if they joined together.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

cmon fogo dads... kiss and make up!

So that is who is responsible for this nonsense??? Let's just break out the ruler and see who is the better man. If it's a tie(@2.2inches probably ) just pick a goalie from Hawks and Diamondbacks and you 2 clowns can have a braveheart to see who is the bigger man.

Fogo dads now both on Hawks. We'll see if the nonsense stops .... or will it just get better?

Home of the pinched FO heads!

How many reclasses does BLC have? They sure have some big boys.

Wonder how the actual boys playing feel about being reclassed. Obviously the parents buy into it. Parents either wanting their kid to have an advantage on the field or tired of watching their kid get beat out by a prefirst ( same thing as reclass, just earlier).

Crazy world of lacrosse. Generally similar things happen in other sports like this at the High School level..not Youth..

Anybody know when True Blue 2022 invites will be sent out?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok. Sure you are correct. But how can RR get better to compete in AA? 0-12 two years. No picks ups from best teams. No kids from AA teams rushing to RR. Stop it RR dad. Next up 0 and 18. Go A or maybe B. Take 89-2 with you. That team skews playoff seeding for teams that belong in AA. All teams don't have the luxury of the schedule for auto wins against RR and 89+2. And for that matter until this year looneys. Those 3 combined for 2-30 record in HoCo over 2 years (89 + 2 only 1 year).

Isn't this particular forum 2022? You're talking about 2023.

BLC ends at 7th Grade and DCE starts at 8th grade so your scenario would never happen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wonder how the actual boys playing feel about being reclassed. Obviously the parents buy into it. Parents either wanting their kid to have an advantage on the field or tired of watching their kid get beat out by a prefirst ( same thing as reclass, just earlier).

Crazy world of lacrosse. Generally similar things happen in other sports like this at the High School level..not Youth..

If the kids are given the choice between playing for D.C. Express and reclassing or MD Xtreme and staying on age, they are choosing to reclassing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody know when True Blue 2022 invites will be sent out?

Is that an MD club?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs lost several of their best players to other teams.

And replaced them from kids from other club's B teams in many cases. Should be a fun year for those kids that have tried to stick it out with Crabs. Team is a mess

Are there any good box lacrosse programs anywhere in Maryland? I can't seem to find one on line.

A number left because they did not want to play for coach of 2022 Crabs. His shtick worked 4 or 5 years ago when Crabs was only game in town but now with a number of strong programs in the area kids/families have other options and don't have to put up with that....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok. Sure you are correct. But how can RR get better to compete in AA? 0-12 two years. No picks ups from best teams. No kids from AA teams rushing to RR. Stop it RR dad. Next up 0 and 18. Go A or maybe B. Take 89-2 with you. That team skews playoff seeding for teams that belong in AA. All teams don't have the luxury of the schedule for auto wins against RR and 89+2. And for that matter until this year looneys. Those 3 combined for 2-30 record in HoCo over 2 years (89 + 2 only 1 year).

Looks like you're talking about 2023. This is 2022 genius

So clueless, yet so confident!

You are clueless!!! RR picked up players from Hawks and 91. They are an AA team!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there any good box lacrosse programs anywhere in Maryland? I can't seem to find one on line.

The best Box league is the Goals Baltimore League in Catonsville.

Next Level runs a pretty good one in Rockville also. It is more like a bunch of pickup games than a real league.

Madlax runs one out of Dulles but it is mostly B teams.

It would be awesome if Nercc in Parkville could get something going on their multiple regulation indoor box fields.

DuBurns and Resisterstown Sportsplex have great single fields but have don't have strong leagues.

Myers pavilion has a really good box league for high school kids that Crabs and Rock were in last year.

There are a couple outdoor/indoor leagues with nets instead of boards at with MMILL at SoccerStop in Columbia and API may have a league.

Fisc in Frederick also has incredible multiple regulation box fields and has a league. Check the LaxFaxtory site.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A number left because they did not want to play for coach of 2022 Crabs. His shtick worked 4 or 5 years ago when Crabs was only game in town but now with a number of strong programs in the area kids/families have other options and don't have to put up with that....

Crabs is still the best at putting together teams for recruiting visibility in high school. Not so good at working with developing elementary and middle schoolers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A number left because they did not want to play for coach of 2022 Crabs. His shtick worked 4 or 5 years ago when Crabs was only game in town but now with a number of strong programs in the area kids/families have other options and don't have to put up with that....

Crabs is still the best at putting together teams for recruiting visibility in high school. Not so good at working with developing elementary and middle schoolers.

You say that because those teams were already together before things started to fall apart. If you think kids are going to move to Crabs 2022 for high school you are nuts. That team is toxic and filled with soft kids that are catered to by the club. That is why kids left. Not just RM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs lost several of their best players to other teams.

And replaced them from kids from other club's B teams in many cases. Should be a fun year for those kids that have tried to stick it out with Crabs. Team is a mess

Stop talking out of your round and brown. Nobody knows what this group of young men is capable of at this point. If they [lacrosse] the bed come spring, then you can howl at the moon all you want. Until then, you have no clue what kind of talent they picked up or how the team will gel.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A number left because they did not want to play for coach of 2022 Crabs. His shtick worked 4 or 5 years ago when Crabs was only game in town but now with a number of strong programs in the area kids/families have other options and don't have to put up with that....

Crabs is still the best at putting together teams for recruiting visibility in high school. Not so good at working with developing elementary and middle schoolers.

You say that because those teams were already together before things started to fall apart. If you think kids are going to move to Crabs 2022 for high school you are nuts. That team is toxic and filled with soft kids that are catered to by the club. That is why kids left. Not just RM

I think the Crabs name in the high school recruiters minds will be very high for a long time. You forget that the college coaches do not follow each clubs ups and downs like us parents and locals do. They are aware of the best tournaments to see the best players and the Crabs will be at them. So when your son is in high school and he wants to play for a club at the best events you will take him to the Crabs. Year to year these teams rotate who has the best of the best kids/teams but the parents of great players playing for clubs not at the top events will show up to the crabs tryouts in high school.
Because when your son is a upcoming sophomore or Jr. you care very little about mean coaches and flat brim hats. You just want him playing in the best events with a shot to be seen by the most coaches. Who by the way do not care 1 cent about who wins or loses these games at the high school age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A number left because they did not want to play for coach of 2022 Crabs. His shtick worked 4 or 5 years ago when Crabs was only game in town but now with a number of strong programs in the area kids/families have other options and don't have to put up with that....

Crabs is still the best at putting together teams for recruiting visibility in high school. Not so good at working with developing elementary and middle schoolers.

You say that because those teams were already together before things started to fall apart. If you think kids are going to move to Crabs 2022 for high school you are nuts. That team is toxic and filled with soft kids that are catered to by the club. That is why kids left. Not just RM

I think the Crabs name in the high school recruiters minds will be very high for a long time. You forget that the college coaches do not follow each clubs ups and downs like us parents and locals do. They are aware of the best tournaments to see the best players and the Crabs will be at them. So when your son is in high school and he wants to play for a club at the best events you will take him to the Crabs. Year to year these teams rotate who has the best of the best kids/teams but the parents of great players playing for clubs not at the top events will show up to the crabs tryouts in high school.
Because when your son is a upcoming sophomore or Jr. you care very little about mean coaches and flat brim hats. You just want him playing in the best events with a shot to be seen by the most coaches. Who by the way do not care 1 cent about who wins or loses these games at the high school age.

Putting up with bad coaching and verbal insults for 2 or 3 tournements over 2 summer months in order to get excellent visibility is worth doing in high school. Putting up with it year round for no visibility in middle school doesn't work.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there any good box lacrosse programs anywhere in Maryland? I can't seem to find one on line.

The best Box league is the Goals Baltimore League in Catonsville.

Next Level runs a pretty good one in Rockville also. It is more like a bunch of pickup games than a real league.

Madlax runs one out of Dulles but it is mostly B teams.

It would be awesome if Nercc in Parkville could get something going on their multiple regulation indoor box fields.

DuBurns and Resisterstown Sportsplex have great single fields but have don't have strong leagues.

Myers pavilion has a really good box league for high school kids that Crabs and Rock were in last year.

There are a couple outdoor/indoor leagues with nets instead of boards at with MMILL at SoccerStop in Columbia and API may have a league.

Fisc in Frederick also has incredible multiple regulation box fields and has a league. Check the LaxFaxtory site.

3D runs a pretty good indoor league for high schoolers in Annapolis . It is not real Box and has nets instead of boards.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A number left because they did not want to play for coach of 2022 Crabs. His shtick worked 4 or 5 years ago when Crabs was only game in town but now with a number of strong programs in the area kids/families have other options and don't have to put up with that....

Crabs is still the best at putting together teams for recruiting visibility in high school. Not so good at working with developing elementary and middle schoolers.

You say that because those teams were already together before things started to fall apart. If you think kids are going to move to Crabs 2022 for high school you are nuts. That team is toxic and filled with soft kids that are catered to by the club. That is why kids left. Not just RM

I think the Crabs name in the high school recruiters minds will be very high for a long time. You forget that the college coaches do not follow each clubs ups and downs like us parents and locals do. They are aware of the best tournaments to see the best players and the Crabs will be at them. So when your son is in high school and he wants to play for a club at the best events you will take him to the Crabs. Year to year these teams rotate who has the best of the best kids/teams but the parents of great players playing for clubs not at the top events will show up to the crabs tryouts in high school.
Because when your son is a upcoming sophomore or Jr. you care very little about mean coaches and flat brim hats. You just want him playing in the best events with a shot to be seen by the most coaches. Who by the way do not care 1 cent about who wins or loses these games at the high school age.

"Mean Coaches"

Mommy and Daddy fully expect snowflake to just burn it up out there in MS. Then right into a Varsity slot as a Freshman in HS and of course a early pickup right into a top D1 program.

But all the while, nobody better yell at him or hold him accountable for his own mistakes, action's, in-actions, laziness, bad attitude etc.

I mean because we ALL know, HS coaches don't yell...Petro never yell's at the crew over on Charles Street.

You watch NFL training camp on the boob tube and none of those coaches EVER yell or hold any of those adult males accountable either.

Parent's need to pull their heads out of their asses, wake up and get a clue.

You should be seeking out coaches to yell at your kids and give them a swift kick in their @ss. It's called REAL LIFE.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A number left because they did not want to play for coach of 2022 Crabs. His shtick worked 4 or 5 years ago when Crabs was only game in town but now with a number of strong programs in the area kids/families have other options and don't have to put up with that....

Crabs is still the best at putting together teams for recruiting visibility in high school. Not so good at working with developing elementary and middle schoolers.

You say that because those teams were already together before things started to fall apart. If you think kids are going to move to Crabs 2022 for high school you are nuts. That team is toxic and filled with soft kids that are catered to by the club. That is why kids left. Not just RM

I think the Crabs name in the high school recruiters minds will be very high for a long time. You forget that the college coaches do not follow each clubs ups and downs like us parents and locals do. They are aware of the best tournaments to see the best players and the Crabs will be at them. So when your son is in high school and he wants to play for a club at the best events you will take him to the Crabs. Year to year these teams rotate who has the best of the best kids/teams but the parents of great players playing for clubs not at the top events will show up to the crabs tryouts in high school.
Because when your son is a upcoming sophomore or Jr. you care very little about mean coaches and flat brim hats. You just want him playing in the best events with a shot to be seen by the most coaches. Who by the way do not care 1 cent about who wins or loses these games at the high school age.

"Mean Coaches"

Mommy and Daddy fully expect snowflake to just burn it up out there in MS. Then right into a Varsity slot as a Freshman in HS and of course a early pickup right into a top D1 program.

But all the while, nobody better yell at him or hold him accountable for his own mistakes, action's, in-actions, laziness, bad attitude etc.

I mean because we ALL know, HS coaches don't yell...Petro never yell's at the crew over on Charles Street.

You watch NFL training camp on the boob tube and none of those coaches EVER yell or hold any of those adult males accountable either.

Parent's need to pull their heads out of their asses, wake up and get a clue.

You should be seeking out coaches to yell at your kids and give them a swift kick in their @ss. It's called REAL LIFE.

No parent wants their 6th graders called F-ing pussies on a regular basis.

Real world or not, it is not appropriate for most of society. Parents still want model behavior from their teachers and coaches at this age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A number left because they did not want to play for coach of 2022 Crabs. His shtick worked 4 or 5 years ago when Crabs was only game in town but now with a number of strong programs in the area kids/families have other options and don't have to put up with that....

Crabs is still the best at putting together teams for recruiting visibility in high school. Not so good at working with developing elementary and middle schoolers.

You say that because those teams were already together before things started to fall apart. If you think kids are going to move to Crabs 2022 for high school you are nuts. That team is toxic and filled with soft kids that are catered to by the club. That is why kids left. Not just RM

I think the Crabs name in the high school recruiters minds will be very high for a long time. You forget that the college coaches do not follow each clubs ups and downs like us parents and locals do. They are aware of the best tournaments to see the best players and the Crabs will be at them. So when your son is in high school and he wants to play for a club at the best events you will take him to the Crabs. Year to year these teams rotate who has the best of the best kids/teams but the parents of great players playing for clubs not at the top events will show up to the crabs tryouts in high school.
Because when your son is a upcoming sophomore or Jr. you care very little about mean coaches and flat brim hats. You just want him playing in the best events with a shot to be seen by the most coaches. Who by the way do not care 1 cent about who wins or loses these games at the high school age.

"Mean Coaches"

Mommy and Daddy fully expect snowflake to just burn it up out there in MS. Then right into a Varsity slot as a Freshman in HS and of course a early pickup right into a top D1 program.

But all the while, nobody better yell at him or hold him accountable for his own mistakes, action's, in-actions, laziness, bad attitude etc.

I mean because we ALL know, HS coaches don't yell...Petro never yell's at the crew over on Charles Street.

You watch NFL training camp on the boob tube and none of those coaches EVER yell or hold any of those adult males accountable either.

Parent's need to pull their heads out of their asses, wake up and get a clue.

You should be seeking out coaches to yell at your kids and give them a swift kick in their @ss. It's called REAL LIFE.

OK. You are correct. There is nothing wrong with yelling at the kids. However, what is being yelled makes a big difference. If you are yelling actual instructions on how to do something properly that may be effective. But RM and his fellow Crabs coaches yelling asking wth they are doing or telling them that they are terrible or other fantastic nuggets of advice is useless and counterproductive. It's called coaching. Coach the kids up. Don't belittle them with no instruction.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Mean Coaches"

Mommy and Daddy fully expect snowflake to just burn it up out there in MS. Then right into a Varsity slot as a Freshman in HS and of course a early pickup right into a top D1 program.

But all the while, nobody better yell at him or hold him accountable for his own mistakes, action's, in-actions, laziness, bad attitude etc.

I mean because we ALL know, HS coaches don't yell...Petro never yell's at the crew over on Charles Street.

You watch NFL training camp on the boob tube and none of those coaches EVER yell or hold any of those adult males accountable either.

Parent's need to pull their heads out of their asses, wake up and get a clue.

You should be seeking out coaches to yell at your kids and give them a swift kick in their @ss. It's called REAL LIFE.

There are plenty of good coaches who yell, correct, coach, push and encourage. Then, there are the aholes who just yell, demean and break kids down because they hope to replace them at the next tryout. To each his own, but if you think giving your money to a self-promoting [lacrosse] is the only path to success, more power to you. There are a few coaches at this age group who get it done without being raving lunatics.

Who are the past HoCo champs at this grade?

Don't make it just the responsibility of coaches to teach your kids. You do have to go home and pick up a stick and play catch. Not many parents know how to play the sport. They don't even understand the sport. Parents are so critical of these coaches who take their time and are trying to help your kids get better. So much negativity centered around them. Why don't you volunteer your time to coach if you don't like what is happening? Hey, why don't you take the goals in for the coach or field phone calls or set up scrimmages? You can't be critical when you literally do nothing!!! $2000.00 a kid isn't s$it to pay for your child to play a sport. Stop complaining!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A number left because they did not want to play for coach of 2022 Crabs. His shtick worked 4 or 5 years ago when Crabs was only game in town but now with a number of strong programs in the area kids/families have other options and don't have to put up with that....

Crabs is still the best at putting together teams for recruiting visibility in high school. Not so good at working with developing elementary and middle schoolers.

You say that because those teams were already together before things started to fall apart. If you think kids are going to move to Crabs 2022 for high school you are nuts. That team is toxic and filled with soft kids that are catered to by the club. That is why kids left. Not just RM

I think the Crabs name in the high school recruiters minds will be very high for a long time. You forget that the college coaches do not follow each clubs ups and downs like us parents and locals do. They are aware of the best tournaments to see the best players and the Crabs will be at them. So when your son is in high school and he wants to play for a club at the best events you will take him to the Crabs. Year to year these teams rotate who has the best of the best kids/teams but the parents of great players playing for clubs not at the top events will show up to the crabs tryouts in high school.
Because when your son is a upcoming sophomore or Jr. you care very little about mean coaches and flat brim hats. You just want him playing in the best events with a shot to be seen by the most coaches. Who by the way do not care 1 cent about who wins or loses these games at the high school age.

"Mean Coaches"

Mommy and Daddy fully expect snowflake to just burn it up out there in MS. Then right into a Varsity slot as a Freshman in HS and of course a early pickup right into a top D1 program.

But all the while, nobody better yell at him or hold him accountable for his own mistakes, action's, in-actions, laziness, bad attitude etc.

I mean because we ALL know, HS coaches don't yell...Petro never yell's at the crew over on Charles Street.

You watch NFL training camp on the boob tube and none of those coaches EVER yell or hold any of those adult males accountable either.

Parent's need to pull their heads out of their asses, wake up and get a clue.

You should be seeking out coaches to yell at your kids and give them a swift kick in their @ss. It's called REAL LIFE.

Not all of us parents are helicopter parents and are worried about our snowflake kids, yelling at a child and being verbally abusive are 2 very different things though!! I am fine with coaches yelling and holding my son accountable for his actions/playing, but calling kids f*cking idiots, pussies. telling them they suck and should just quit, calling them a loser, fat and slow, and having other teammates do these things is bullying and abusive behaviors.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't make it just the responsibility of coaches to teach your kids. You do have to go home and pick up a stick and play catch. Not many parents know how to play the sport. They don't even understand the sport. Parents are so critical of these coaches who take their time and are trying to help your kids get better. So much negativity centered around them. Why don't you volunteer your time to coach if you don't like what is happening? Hey, why don't you take the goals in for the coach or field phone calls or set up scrimmages? You can't be critical when you literally do nothing!!! $2000.00 a kid isn't s$it to pay for your child to play a sport. Stop complaining!

You signed up to coach...so suck it up and do the job!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the past HoCo champs at this grade?

2017 Hawks
2016 Hawks (NPYLL folded)
2015 Diamondbacks - Hoco, Cannons - NPYLL
2014 Roughriders - Hoco, Breakers - NPYLL
2013 ? - Hoco, Cannons - NPYLL

No surprise that many of the Cannons kids are now on Hawks

Smart parents of top middle school players look for coaches who are tough, demanding but not abusive. Pushing the kids hard (loud instruction and being demonstrative) is fine as long as its not abusive or counterproductive: Some parents can't discern the difference between the two. Wake up club coaches: Paying $2k is a lot of money to play a sport. Most top players in the MLL paid $150 per season and played for top rec teams in middle school. They turned out ok didn't they. For $2k, parents expect a very good and committed staff, good practice facilities and a good nucleus of players that are being developed into better players. Doesn't have to be the best team but very competitive and always improving. And yes college coaches do know who the best elite club teams are for each graduating class. Their profession has a lot of down time, and they talk about teams and players incessantly. Athleticism, Size, Speed, Skills, IQ are what make you a D1 college candidate. Does playing for a really good club team give you a leg up. In the past definitely, since the recruiting window was so small. Now, a college staff has three summers of tournaments, showcases and prospect camps and two years of high school film before they can talk to you. Don't think for a moment that doesn't change the equation and reduce the importance of a club's legacy.. Some club coaches (and talent evaluation gurus) haven't gotten the memo. Your development window is now 3 years (I'm including 8th grade) vs. the ever shrinking early recruiting window. College coaches want to be efficient and see the best players/teams period. Just because the name on the back of the jersey is XX, doesn't mean they're a can't miss team or prospect.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A number left because they did not want to play for coach of 2022 Crabs. His shtick worked 4 or 5 years ago when Crabs was only game in town but now with a number of strong programs in the area kids/families have other options and don't have to put up with that....

Crabs is still the best at putting together teams for recruiting visibility in high school. Not so good at working with developing elementary and middle schoolers.

You say that because those teams were already together before things started to fall apart. If you think kids are going to move to Crabs 2022 for high school you are nuts. That team is toxic and filled with soft kids that are catered to by the club. That is why kids left. Not just RM

I think the Crabs name in the high school recruiters minds will be very high for a long time. You forget that the college coaches do not follow each clubs ups and downs like us parents and locals do. They are aware of the best tournaments to see the best players and the Crabs will be at them. So when your son is in high school and he wants to play for a club at the best events you will take him to the Crabs. Year to year these teams rotate who has the best of the best kids/teams but the parents of great players playing for clubs not at the top events will show up to the crabs tryouts in high school.
Because when your son is a upcoming sophomore or Jr. you care very little about mean coaches and flat brim hats. You just want him playing in the best events with a shot to be seen by the most coaches. Who by the way do not care 1 cent about who wins or loses these games at the high school age.

"Mean Coaches"

Mommy and Daddy fully expect snowflake to just burn it up out there in MS. Then right into a Varsity slot as a Freshman in HS and of course a early pickup right into a top D1 program.

But all the while, nobody better yell at him or hold him accountable for his own mistakes, action's, in-actions, laziness, bad attitude etc.

I mean because we ALL know, HS coaches don't yell...Petro never yell's at the crew over on Charles Street.

You watch NFL training camp on the boob tube and none of those coaches EVER yell or hold any of those adult males accountable either.

Parent's need to pull their heads out of their asses, wake up and get a clue.

You should be seeking out coaches to yell at your kids and give them a swift kick in their @ss. It's called REAL LIFE.

Not all of us parents are helicopter parents and are worried about our snowflake kids, yelling at a child and being verbally abusive are 2 very different things though!! I am fine with coaches yelling and holding my son accountable for his actions/playing, but calling kids f*cking idiots, pussies. telling them they suck and should just quit, calling them a loser, fat and slow, and having other teammates do these things is bullying and abusive behaviors.

OP here and I absolutely agree with you, but the fact is...I've never heard a rec or travel Coach at the youth, middle school or even high school level call a player a [lacrosse], or loser. I've never heard a coach tell a kid to quit or that they are fat and slow. I've seen plenty of parents on here post about the "lunatic coaches", but again I've never actually seen the coaches they routinely name do or say anything outrageous as claimed. The people making all the noise about lunatic coaches are parents who think that their little snowflake is a celebrity because Daddy is the CEO of Nabisco and should have special treatment. The crazy part is that in the end...it's the kid that they are hurting the most with their alt left, Dr. Spock non sense.

Eventually, they will be exposed to the real world. Learning those hard life lesson's for the first time in your 20's and beyond sucks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there any good box lacrosse programs anywhere in Maryland? I can't seem to find one on line.

The best Box league is the Goals Baltimore League in Catonsville.

Next Level runs a pretty good one in Rockville also. It is more like a bunch of pickup games than a real league.

Madlax runs one out of Dulles but it is mostly B teams.

It would be awesome if Nercc in Parkville could get something going on their multiple regulation indoor box fields.

DuBurns and Resisterstown Sportsplex have great single fields but have don't have strong leagues.

Myers pavilion has a really good box league for high school kids that Crabs and Rock were in last year.

There are a couple outdoor/indoor leagues with nets instead of boards at with MMILL at SoccerStop in Columbia and API may have a league.

Fisc in Frederick also has incredible multiple regulation box fields and has a league. Check the LaxFaxtory site.

3D runs a pretty good indoor league for high schoolers in Annapolis . It is not real Box and has nets instead of boards.

Zingos runs a winter league out of the soccer dome in Harmons by BWI that is for High School. It is called Crease lacrosse. Also with nets so not real box.

OP here and I absolutely agree with you, but the fact is...I've never heard a rec or travel Coach at the youth, middle school or even high school level call a player a [lacrosse], or loser. I've never heard a coach tell a kid to quit or that they are fat and slow. I've seen plenty of parents on here post about the "lunatic coaches", but again I've never actually seen the coaches they routinely name do or say anything outrageous as claimed. The people making all the noise about lunatic coaches are parents who think that their little snowflake is a celebrity because Daddy is the CEO of Nabisco and should have special treatment. The crazy part is that in the end...it's the kid that they are hurting the most with their alt left, Dr. Spock non sense.

Eventually, they will be exposed to the real world. Learning those hard life lesson's for the first time in your 20's and beyond sucks.
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Sorry buddy, ir just isn't alt left. Alt right is just as bad or maybe even worse.

[/quote]

Not all of us parents are helicopter parents and are worried about our snowflake kids, yelling at a child and being verbally abusive are 2 very different things though!! I am fine with coaches yelling and holding my son accountable for his actions/playing, but calling kids f*cking idiots, pussies. telling them they suck and should just quit, calling them a loser, fat and slow, and having other teammates do these things is bullying and abusive behaviors.[/quote]

OP here and I absolutely agree with you, but the fact is...I've never heard a rec or travel Coach at the youth, middle school or even high school level call a player a [lacrosse], or loser. I've never heard a coach tell a kid to quit or that they are fat and slow. I've seen plenty of parents on here post about the "lunatic coaches", but again I've never actually seen the coaches they routinely name do or say anything outrageous as claimed. The people making all the noise about lunatic coaches are parents who think that their little snowflake is a celebrity because Daddy is the CEO of Nabisco and should have special treatment. The crazy part is that in the end...it's the kid that they are hurting the most with their alt left, Dr. Spock non sense.

Eventually, they will be exposed to the real world. Learning those hard life lesson's for the first time in your 20's and beyond sucks.
[/quote]

Then you are very fortunate and you have never watched MM coach. He says all of that and worse. It is horrible for the kids, parents and the sport!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OP here and I absolutely agree with you, but the fact is...I've never heard a rec or travel Coach at the youth, middle school or even high school level call a player a [lacrosse], or loser. I've never heard a coach tell a kid to quit or that they are fat and slow. I've seen plenty of parents on here post about the "lunatic coaches", but again I've never actually seen the coaches they routinely name do or say anything outrageous as claimed. The people making all the noise about lunatic coaches are parents who think that their little snowflake is a celebrity because Daddy is the CEO of Nabisco and should have special treatment. The crazy part is that in the end...it's the kid that they are hurting the most with their alt left, Dr. Spock non sense.

Eventually, they will be exposed to the real world. Learning those hard life lesson's for the first time in your 20's and beyond sucks.

Sorry buddy, ir just isn't alt left. Alt right is just as bad or maybe even worse. [/quote]
Have to agree about the alt left comment. It's as^holes like this individual that has to introduce a political comment into the discussion. No place for that in a youth lax discussion. No wonder this country is so divided, some find it necessary to link everything to politics. Simply dumb.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Not all of us parents are helicopter parents and are worried about our snowflake kids, yelling at a child and being verbally abusive are 2 very different things though!! I am fine with coaches yelling and holding my son accountable for his actions/playing, but calling kids f*cking idiots, pussies. telling them they suck and should just quit, calling them a loser, fat and slow, and having other teammates do these things is bullying and abusive behaviors.

OP here and I absolutely agree with you, but the fact is...I've never heard a rec or travel Coach at the youth, middle school or even high school level call a player a [lacrosse], or loser. I've never heard a coach tell a kid to quit or that they are fat and slow. I've seen plenty of parents on here post about the "lunatic coaches", but again I've never actually seen the coaches they routinely name do or say anything outrageous as claimed. The people making all the noise about lunatic coaches are parents who think that their little snowflake is a celebrity because Daddy is the CEO of Nabisco and should have special treatment. The crazy part is that in the end...it's the kid that they are hurting the most with their alt left, Dr. Spock non sense.

Eventually, they will be exposed to the real world. Learning those hard life lesson's for the first time in your 20's and beyond sucks.
[/quote]

Then you are very fortunate and you have never watched MM coach. He says all of that and worse. It is horrible for the kids, parents and the sport![/quote]

AMEN! Watched MM throwing his whiteboard like a frisbee at NLF, yelling F@#$ 10 times under his breath so loud you could hear it 30 yards away! Looked so angry he was literally spitting while yelling it, like he was going to kill one of his kids for losing a damn lacrosse game. I have seen 5 year olds with more composure during their temper tantrums. Hopefully he chills out this season since he has lost players and coaches over it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A number left because they did not want to play for coach of 2022 Crabs. His shtick worked 4 or 5 years ago when Crabs was only game in town but now with a number of strong programs in the area kids/families have other options and don't have to put up with that....

Crabs is still the best at putting together teams for recruiting visibility in high school. Not so good at working with developing elementary and middle schoolers.

You say that because those teams were already together before things started to fall apart. If you think kids are going to move to Crabs 2022 for high school you are nuts. That team is toxic and filled with soft kids that are catered to by the club. That is why kids left. Not just RM

I think the Crabs name in the high school recruiters minds will be very high for a long time. You forget that the college coaches do not follow each clubs ups and downs like us parents and locals do. They are aware of the best tournaments to see the best players and the Crabs will be at them. So when your son is in high school and he wants to play for a club at the best events you will take him to the Crabs. Year to year these teams rotate who has the best of the best kids/teams but the parents of great players playing for clubs not at the top events will show up to the crabs tryouts in high school.
Because when your son is a upcoming sophomore or Jr. you care very little about mean coaches and flat brim hats. You just want him playing in the best events with a shot to be seen by the most coaches. Who by the way do not care 1 cent about who wins or loses these games at the high school age.

"Mean Coaches"

Mommy and Daddy fully expect snowflake to just burn it up out there in MS. Then right into a Varsity slot as a Freshman in HS and of course a early pickup right into a top D1 program.

But all the while, nobody better yell at him or hold him accountable for his own mistakes, action's, in-actions, laziness, bad attitude etc.

I mean because we ALL know, HS coaches don't yell...Petro never yell's at the crew over on Charles Street.

You watch NFL training camp on the boob tube and none of those coaches EVER yell or hold any of those adult males accountable either.

Parent's need to pull their heads out of their asses, wake up and get a clue.

You should be seeking out coaches to yell at your kids and give them a swift kick in their @ss. It's called REAL LIFE.

Hey champ, yelling and encouraging your players to "break their arms" referring to opponents and also telling your players to "cross-check opponents hips" off-ball when the ref is not looking isn't teaching your "snowflake" a good life lesson. Its teaching them to be a complete @ss-Ole. Your statement is concerning. A good coach will push and teach your kid that hard work at practice and on their own is fun because it yields positive results on the field. He will point out those results and positively encourage your player to keep working harder to produce more results. Nobody said the coach couldn't yell. Its WHAT the coach yells that makes the difference!

yes, a very good hybrid version of box at Annapolis Area Christian School run by Spencer Ford and 3D lax.

anyone going to API diamondbacks final tyrout this Sunday? sounds like they have solid teams lined up.

I really think the thing that everyone is forgetting is coaching is an extension of teaching. Would it ever be acceptable for a private school teacher ( I only use private school because that equates best to a coach because you pay for a service.) to talk to your child they way the coach does. As a referee, a previous coach and one who has been involved in the sport I have always said the athletic field is an extension of the classroom no matter what the team is. When kids talk back to me on the field and I penalize them I always follow it up with "would you talk to your parent or teacher like that" When a coach acts like a nut I always ask them a similar question.
People on this thread really need to put things into perspective form all sides.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not all of us parents are helicopter parents and are worried about our snowflake kids, yelling at a child and being verbally abusive are 2 very different things though!! I am fine with coaches yelling and holding my son accountable for his actions/playing, but calling kids f*cking idiots, pussies. telling them they suck and should just quit, calling them a loser, fat and slow, and having other teammates do these things is bullying and abusive behaviors.

OP here and I absolutely agree with you, but the fact is...I've never heard a rec or travel Coach at the youth, middle school or even high school level call a player a [lacrosse], or loser. I've never heard a coach tell a kid to quit or that they are fat and slow. I've seen plenty of parents on here post about the "lunatic coaches", but again I've never actually seen the coaches they routinely name do or say anything outrageous as claimed. The people making all the noise about lunatic coaches are parents who think that their little snowflake is a celebrity because Daddy is the CEO of Nabisco and should have special treatment. The crazy part is that in the end...it's the kid that they are hurting the most with their alt left, Dr. Spock non sense.

Eventually, they will be exposed to the real world. Learning those hard life lesson's for the first time in your 20's and beyond sucks.
[/quote]

Then you are very fortunate and you have never watched MM coach. He says all of that and worse. It is horrible for the kids, parents and the sport![/quote]

AMEN! Watched MM throwing his whiteboard like a frisbee at NLF, yelling F@#$ 10 times under his breath so loud you could hear it 30 yards away! Looked so angry he was literally spitting while yelling it, like he was going to kill one of his kids for losing a damn lacrosse game. I have seen 5 year olds with more composure during their temper tantrums. Hopefully he chills out this season since he has lost players and coaches over it.[/quote]

Wow..MM is getting quite the reputation ! You would think that someone who makes a living off youth and HS lacrosse players would be a better role model for these same lacrosse players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I really think the thing that everyone is forgetting is coaching is an extension of teaching. Would it ever be acceptable for a private school teacher ( I only use private school because that equates best to a coach because you pay for a service.) to talk to your child they way the coach does. As a referee, a previous coach and one who has been involved in the sport I have always said the athletic field is an extension of the classroom no matter what the team is. When kids talk back to me on the field and I penalize them I always follow it up with "would you talk to your parent or teacher like that" When a coach acts like a nut I always ask them a similar question.
People on this thread really need to put things into perspective form all sides.

100% Correct! I only wish more coaches thought of it this way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not all of us parents are helicopter parents and are worried about our snowflake kids, yelling at a child and being verbally abusive are 2 very different things though!! I am fine with coaches yelling and holding my son accountable for his actions/playing, but calling kids f*cking idiots, pussies. telling them they suck and should just quit, calling them a loser, fat and slow, and having other teammates do these things is bullying and abusive behaviors.

OP here and I absolutely agree with you, but the fact is...I've never heard a rec or travel Coach at the youth, middle school or even high school level call a player a [lacrosse], or loser. I've never heard a coach tell a kid to quit or that they are fat and slow. I've seen plenty of parents on here post about the "lunatic coaches", but again I've never actually seen the coaches they routinely name do or say anything outrageous as claimed. The people making all the noise about lunatic coaches are parents who think that their little snowflake is a celebrity because Daddy is the CEO of Nabisco and should have special treatment. The crazy part is that in the end...it's the kid that they are hurting the most with their alt left, Dr. Spock non sense.

Eventually, they will be exposed to the real world. Learning those hard life lesson's for the first time in your 20's and beyond sucks.

Then you are very fortunate and you have never watched MM coach. He says all of that and worse. It is horrible for the kids, parents and the sport![/quote]

AMEN! Watched MM throwing his whiteboard like a frisbee at NLF, yelling F@#$ 10 times under his breath so loud you could hear it 30 yards away! Looked so angry he was literally spitting while yelling it, like he was going to kill one of his kids for losing a damn lacrosse game. I have seen 5 year olds with more composure during their temper tantrums. Hopefully he chills out this season since he has lost players and coaches over it.[/quote]

Wow..MM is getting quite the reputation ! You would think that someone who makes a living off youth and HS lacrosse players would be a better role model for these same lacrosse players.
[/quote]

Right, like the Madlax guy.

Nobody is worse than the Madras guy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone going to API diamondbacks final tyrout this Sunday? sounds like they have solid teams lined up.

Please , the last thing we need is to get API dads back on here with their excuses and hatred towards every other club. Everyone hopes that they have a solid team lined up so the negative daddies can't come on here crying the blues when they get beat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not all of us parents are helicopter parents and are worried about our snowflake kids, yelling at a child and being verbally abusive are 2 very different things though!! I am fine with coaches yelling and holding my son accountable for his actions/playing, but calling kids f*cking idiots, pussies. telling them they suck and should just quit, calling them a loser, fat and slow, and having other teammates do these things is bullying and abusive behaviors.

OP here and I absolutely agree with you, but the fact is...I've never heard a rec or travel Coach at the youth, middle school or even high school level call a player a [lacrosse], or loser. I've never heard a coach tell a kid to quit or that they are fat and slow. I've seen plenty of parents on here post about the "lunatic coaches", but again I've never actually seen the coaches they routinely name do or say anything outrageous as claimed. The people making all the noise about lunatic coaches are parents who think that their little snowflake is a celebrity because Daddy is the CEO of Nabisco and should have special treatment. The crazy part is that in the end...it's the kid that they are hurting the most with their alt left, Dr. Spock non sense.

Eventually, they will be exposed to the real world. Learning those hard life lesson's for the first time in your 20's and beyond sucks.

Then you are very fortunate and you have never watched MM coach. He says all of that and worse. It is horrible for the kids, parents and the sport![/quote]

AMEN! Watched MM throwing his whiteboard like a frisbee at NLF, yelling F@#$ 10 times under his breath so loud you could hear it 30 yards away! Looked so angry he was literally spitting while yelling it, like he was going to kill one of his kids for losing a damn lacrosse game. I have seen 5 year olds with more composure during their temper tantrums. Hopefully he chills out this season since he has lost players and coaches over it.[/quote]

Wow..MM is getting quite the reputation ! You would think that someone who makes a living off youth and HS lacrosse players would be a better role model for these same lacrosse players.
[/quote]

MM just can't handle in game situations and doesn't know how to himself on a sideline.He has been teaching your lacrosse for over 20 years to hundreds of kids and makes a living doing so. The moment he steps into a live game he can't control his temper.

Read Coach Wooden's book on coaching.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there any good box lacrosse programs anywhere in Maryland? I can't seem to find one on line.

The best Box league is the Goals Baltimore League in Catonsville.

Next Level runs a pretty good one in Rockville also. It is more like a bunch of pickup games than a real league.

Madlax runs one out of Dulles but it is mostly B teams.

It would be awesome if Nercc in Parkville could get something going on their multiple regulation indoor box fields.

DuBurns and Resisterstown Sportsplex have great single fields but have don't have strong leagues.

Myers pavilion has a really good box league for high school kids that Crabs and Rock were in last year.

There are a couple outdoor/indoor leagues with nets instead of boards at with MMILL at SoccerStop in Columbia and API may have a league.

Fisc in Frederick also has incredible multiple regulation box fields and has a league. Check the LaxFaxtory site.

3D runs a pretty good indoor league for high schoolers in Annapolis . It is not real Box and has nets instead of boards.

There is no real Box anywhere in Maryland ... its all indoor field lacrosse. Its time to start real box in Baltimore!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there any good box lacrosse programs anywhere in Maryland? I can't seem to find one on line.

The best Box league is the Goals Baltimore League in Catonsville.

Next Level runs a pretty good one in Rockville also. It is more like a bunch of pickup games than a real league.

Madlax runs one out of Dulles but it is mostly B teams.

It would be awesome if Nercc in Parkville could get something going on their multiple regulation indoor box fields.

DuBurns and Resisterstown Sportsplex have great single fields but have don't have strong leagues.

Myers pavilion has a really good box league for high school kids that Crabs and Rock were in last year.

There are a couple outdoor/indoor leagues with nets instead of boards at with MMILL at SoccerStop in Columbia and API may have a league.

Fisc in Frederick also has incredible multiple regulation box fields and has a league. Check the LaxFaxtory site.

3D runs a pretty good indoor league for high schoolers in Annapolis . It is not real Box and has nets instead of boards.

There is no real Box anywhere in Maryland ... its all indoor field lacrosse. Its time to start real box in Baltimore!!

What about Goals, Madlax, Next Level, Fisc, and Myers Pavilion makes it not real Box?

They have the boards, small goals, and huge goalie pads.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there any good box lacrosse programs anywhere in Maryland? I can't seem to find one on line.

The best Box league is the Goals Baltimore League in Catonsville.

Next Level runs a pretty good one in Rockville also. It is more like a bunch of pickup games than a real league.

Madlax runs one out of Dulles but it is mostly B teams.

It would be awesome if Nercc in Parkville could get something going on their multiple regulation indoor box fields.

DuBurns and Resisterstown Sportsplex have great single fields but have don't have strong leagues.

Myers pavilion has a really good box league for high school kids that Crabs and Rock were in last year.

There are a couple outdoor/indoor leagues with nets instead of boards at with MMILL at SoccerStop in Columbia and API may have a league.

Fisc in Frederick also has incredible multiple regulation box fields and has a league. Check the LaxFaxtory site.

3D runs a pretty good indoor league for high schoolers in Annapolis . It is not real Box and has nets instead of boards.

There is no real Box anywhere in Maryland ... its all indoor field lacrosse. Its time to start real box in Baltimore!!

The goals league is pretty solid. boards, small goals, goalie gear, shot clock. 5v5 no off-sides. 2 doors for each box. not sure how real you're looking for -- cross checks and fighting?

With Tryouts finishing up for many NOVA teams looks like ranking may change some:

1. Mad Lax Capital
2. Evergreen
3. VLC
4. Cavalier
5. Top Caliber
6. Mad Lax DMV
Club Blue and DC Express should not count as Northern Virginia teams as they do not pull any VA kids mostly Bethesda/Mont. County. Maybe these teams will matchup at fall tournaments

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With Tryouts finishing up for many NOVA teams looks like ranking may change some:

1. Mad Lax Capital
2. Evergreen
3. VLC
4. Cavalier
5. Top Caliber
6. Mad Lax DMV
Club Blue and DC Express should not count as Northern Virginia teams as they do not pull any VA kids mostly Bethesda/Mont. County. Maybe these teams will matchup at fall tournaments

Evergreen #2? They are a relatively new club, have they come on that strong? If so, that's good the hear.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With Tryouts finishing up for many NOVA teams looks like ranking may change some:

1. Mad Lax Capital
2. Evergreen
3. VLC
4. Cavalier
5. Top Caliber
6. Mad Lax DMV
Club Blue and DC Express should not count as Northern Virginia teams as they do not pull any VA kids mostly Bethesda/Mont. County. Maybe these teams will matchup at fall tournaments

who cares? other than Madlax all B and C teams

club blue is having a nova team. and where would 3d be

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone going to API diamondbacks final tyrout this Sunday? sounds like they have solid teams lined up.

Please , the last thing we need is to get API dads back on here with their excuses and hatred towards every other club. Everyone hopes that they have a solid team lined up so the negative daddies can't come on here crying the blues when they get beat.

They all on the same team now. Should make for some great pictures.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

club blue is having a nova team. and where would 3d be

Evergreen was able to get Dylan Maltz (MD part of RUN DMC) to coach 2022 and recruited basically the entire 3d team plus added talent from Cavalier and top Loudoun players. Club Blue NOVA is brand new so hard to rank. Some had asked if 3d would move to Elite from AA after winning AA last spring these players are all now on Evergreen.

Sounds like 3D folded and both 21's and 22's are no longer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there any good box lacrosse programs anywhere in Maryland? I can't seem to find one on line.

The best Box league is the Goals Baltimore League in Catonsville.

Next Level runs a pretty good one in Rockville also. It is more like a bunch of pickup games than a real league.

Madlax runs one out of Dulles but it is mostly B teams.

It would be awesome if Nercc in Parkville could get something going on their multiple regulation indoor box fields.

DuBurns and Resisterstown Sportsplex have great single fields but have don't have strong leagues.

Myers pavilion has a really good box league for high school kids that Crabs and Rock were in last year.

There are a couple outdoor/indoor leagues with nets instead of boards at with MMILL at SoccerStop in Columbia and API may have a league.

Fisc in Frederick also has incredible multiple regulation box fields and has a league. Check the LaxFaxtory site.

3D runs a pretty good indoor league for high schoolers in Annapolis . It is not real Box and has nets instead of boards.

There is no real Box anywhere in Maryland ... its all indoor field lacrosse. Its time to start real box in Baltimore!!

As usual, most of the people who speak on here know absolutely nothing...

The GOALS league is real box lacrosse.

And Lax Factory runs a USBOXLA program during the winter. League and travel teams. Certified box officials and everything.

MADLAX "kind of" runs a box league and tournament. They do use small goals and padded goalies, it is 5-on-5, and their rules resemble box lacrosse. But their officials have no idea how to actually run a box game. Same with Next Level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like 3D folded and both 21's and 22's are no longer.

Looks like 3d still has 2021 and 2020 along with 2023-2026 I just think the 2022 flocked over to another team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like 3D folded and both 21's and 22's are no longer.

Looks like 3d still has 2021 and 2020 along with 2023-2026 I just think the 2022 flocked over to another team.

2022 had some great high visibility coaches at 3D. Very surprised they folded.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone going to API diamondbacks final tyrout this Sunday? sounds like they have solid teams lined up.

We would really like for the Hawks goalie who got cut to come to
ApI tryouts. No holdbacks here to take your spot and we value stability, loyalty, and continuity

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there any good box lacrosse programs anywhere in Maryland? I can't seem to find one on line.

The best Box league is the Goals Baltimore League in Catonsville.

Next Level runs a pretty good one in Rockville also. It is more like a bunch of pickup games than a real league.

Madlax runs one out of Dulles but it is mostly B teams.

It would be awesome if Nercc in Parkville could get something going on their multiple regulation indoor box fields.

DuBurns and Resisterstown Sportsplex have great single fields but have don't have strong leagues.

Myers pavilion has a really good box league for high school kids that Crabs and Rock were in last year.

There are a couple outdoor/indoor leagues with nets instead of boards at with MMILL at SoccerStop in Columbia and API may have a league.

Fisc in Frederick also has incredible multiple regulation box fields and has a league. Check the LaxFaxtory site.

3D runs a pretty good indoor league for high schoolers in Annapolis . It is not real Box and has nets instead of boards.

There is no real Box anywhere in Maryland ... its all indoor field lacrosse. Its time to start real box in Baltimore!!

As usual, most of the people who speak on here know absolutely nothing...

The GOALS league is real box lacrosse.

And Lax Factory runs a USBOXLA program during the winter. League and travel teams. Certified box officials and everything.

MADLAX "kind of" runs a box league and tournament. They do use small goals and padded goalies, it is 5-on-5, and their rules resemble box lacrosse. But their officials have no idea how to actually run a box game. Same with Next Level.

Have you watched.. the kids in that league do NOT play box. they play field inside... No-one down here knows how to play box...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone going to API diamondbacks final tyrout this Sunday? sounds like they have solid teams lined up.

We would really like for the Hawks goalie who got cut to come to
ApI tryouts. No holdbacks here to take your spot and we value stability, loyalty, and continuity

So much for the 2 goalies you all ready have loyalty.....smh

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With Tryouts finishing up for many NOVA teams looks like ranking may change some:

1. Mad Lax Capital
2. Evergreen
3. VLC
4. Cavalier
5. Top Caliber
6. Mad Lax DMV
Club Blue and DC Express should not count as Northern Virginia teams as they do not pull any VA kids mostly Bethesda/Mont. County. Maybe these teams will matchup at fall tournaments

Evergreen #2? They are a relatively new club, have they come on that strong? If so, that's good the hear.

Evergreen? Lol. They look up to everyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like 3D folded and both 21's and 22's are no longer.

Looks like 3d still has 2021 and 2020 along with 2023-2026 I just think the 2022 flocked over to another team.

No. 3d folded their 2019 and 2021 teams. They only have 1 HD team.

Api
Loyalty that is a joke .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone going to API diamondbacks final tyrout this Sunday? sounds like they have solid teams lined up.

We would really like for the Hawks goalie who got cut to come to
ApI tryouts. No holdbacks here to take your spot and we value stability, loyalty, and continuity

No thanks. Don't need Hawks rejects. He couldn't have lost his spot to a holdback because according to Hawk parents they don't have holdbacks. Hysterical.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there any good box lacrosse programs anywhere in Maryland? I can't seem to find one on line.

The best Box league is the Goals Baltimore League in Catonsville.

Next Level runs a pretty good one in Rockville also. It is more like a bunch of pickup games than a real league.

Madlax runs one out of Dulles but it is mostly B teams.

It would be awesome if Nercc in Parkville could get something going on their multiple regulation indoor box fields.

DuBurns and Resisterstown Sportsplex have great single fields but have don't have strong leagues.

Myers pavilion has a really good box league for high school kids that Crabs and Rock were in last year.

There are a couple outdoor/indoor leagues with nets instead of boards at with MMILL at SoccerStop in Columbia and API may have a league.

Fisc in Frederick also has incredible multiple regulation box fields and has a league. Check the LaxFaxtory site.

3D runs a pretty good indoor league for high schoolers in Annapolis . It is not real Box and has nets instead of boards.

There is no real Box anywhere in Maryland ... its all indoor field lacrosse. Its time to start real box in Baltimore!!

As usual, most of the people who speak on here know absolutely nothing...

The GOALS league is real box lacrosse.

And Lax Factory runs a USBOXLA program during the winter. League and travel teams. Certified box officials and everything.

MADLAX "kind of" runs a box league and tournament. They do use small goals and padded goalies, it is 5-on-5, and their rules resemble box lacrosse. But their officials have no idea how to actually run a box game. Same with Next Level.

Have you watched.. the kids in that league do NOT play box. they play field inside... No-one down here knows how to play box...

Gotcha , you are saying they play by the rules of Box lacrosse with box lacrosse gear but it's not Box lacrosse because they have only been playing it for 3 years.

Or did I miss something?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like 3D folded and both 21's and 22's are no longer.

Looks like 3d still has 2021 and 2020 along with 2023-2026 I just think the 2022 flocked over to another team.

2022 had some great high visibility coaches at 3D. Very surprised they folded.

Actually they didnt have any legitimate coaching...that was the problem and that's why they didn't list any of their actual coaches for that team on their website.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone going to API diamondbacks final tyrout this Sunday? sounds like they have solid teams lined up.

We would really like for the Hawks goalie who got cut to come to
ApI tryouts. No holdbacks here to take your spot and we value stability, loyalty, and continuity

No thanks. Don't need Hawks rejects. He couldn't have lost his spot to a holdback because according to Hawk parents they don't have holdbacks. Hysterical.

Every Hawk parent I've ever spoken to readily admits they have 3 or 4 kids older than the 9/1 cutoff for schools.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone going to API diamondbacks final tyrout this Sunday? sounds like they have solid teams lined up.

We would really like for the Hawks goalie who got cut to come to
ApI tryouts. No holdbacks here to take your spot and we value stability, loyalty, and continuity

No thanks. Don't need Hawks rejects. He couldn't have lost his spot to a holdback because according to Hawk parents they don't have holdbacks. Hysterical.

Every Hawk parent I've ever spoken to readily admits they have 3 or 4 kids older than the 9/1 cutoff for schools.

That's hilarious. And the US Navy says our ballistic missile submarines can only go 700 ft under water. You only admit what you have to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]anyone going to API diamondbacks final tyrout this Sunday? sounds like they have solid teams lined up.

We would really like for the Hawks goalie who got cut to come to
ApI tryouts. No holdbacks here to take your spot and we value stability, loyalty, and continuity

No thanks. Don't need Hawks rejects. He couldn't have lost his spot to a holdback because according to Hawk parents they don't have holdbacks. Hysterical. [/q

Hey you ignorant jerk, stop talking about specific kids. Have some class.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone going to API diamondbacks final tyrout this Sunday? sounds like they have solid teams lined up.

We would really like for the Hawks goalie who got cut to come to
ApI tryouts. No holdbacks here to take your spot and we value stability, loyalty, and continuity

No thanks. Don't need Hawks rejects. He couldn't have lost his spot to a holdback because according to Hawk parents they don't have holdbacks. Hysterical.

Every Hawk parent I've ever spoken to readily admits they have 3 or 4 kids older than the 9/1 cutoff for schools.

Lol, I would admit to 3 or 4 too if I had 8-10 and added 4 more. Can't wait until next year to see how many Hawks drop to 2023 and become double holdbacks
#10-4
#3 ranked

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone going to API diamondbacks final tyrout this Sunday? sounds like they have solid teams lined up.

We would really like for the Hawks goalie who got cut to come to
ApI tryouts. No holdbacks here to take your spot and we value stability, loyalty, and continuity

No thanks. Don't need Hawks rejects. He couldn't have lost his spot to a holdback because according to Hawk parents they don't have holdbacks. Hysterical.

Every Hawk parent I've ever spoken to readily admits they have 3 or 4 kids older than the 9/1 cutoff for schools.

Lol, I would admit to 3 or 4 too if I had 8-10 and added 4 more. Can't wait until next year to see how many Hawks drop to 2023 and become double holdbacks
#10-4
#3 ranked

The Hawks have no problem admitting they are following the rules. 4 kids is it. Find another excuse for losing.

What are all of the parents who are whining now about holdbacks going to do when their 9th grader goes out for lacrosse? Hey that boy has tall parents or coach its not fair, that boy runs a 4.6 40 and is making my son look foolish out there. Here's a quick suggestion: Buy shares in sideline swap because you're going to be using it a ton.......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone going to API diamondbacks final tyrout this Sunday? sounds like they have solid teams lined up.

We would really like for the Hawks goalie who got cut to come to
ApI tryouts. No holdbacks here to take your spot and we value stability, loyalty, and continuity

No thanks. Don't need Hawks rejects. He couldn't have lost his spot to a holdback because according to Hawk parents they don't have holdbacks. Hysterical.

Every Hawk parent I've ever spoken to readily admits they have 3 or 4 kids older than the 9/1 cutoff for schools.

Lol, I would admit to 3 or 4 too if I had 8-10 and added 4 more. Can't wait until next year to see how many Hawks drop to 2023 and become double holdbacks
#10-4
#3 ranked

It was only a matter of time before the sore loser came out of his hole. Congrats on the 10-4 win this year, where not 1 API player contributed to that win. Again, if any Hawk, RR,Crab,BLC and MM decide to play on Dukes your kid would not have a roster spot. That is a fact . Congrats on the #3 ranking no one can take that from you (Dad) but your kid knows who they beat last year and who they lost to as do your coaches. New coach is very good and hopefully can control the jerk off loser daddies on the sideline.
We all look forward to seeing how many holdbacks will be fielded for API this year. Not that anyone really cares but for the sake of your relentless crying on this site .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone going to API diamondbacks final tyrout this Sunday? sounds like they have solid teams lined up.

We would really like for the Hawks goalie who got cut to come to
ApI tryouts. No holdbacks here to take your spot and we value stability, loyalty, and continuity

No thanks. Don't need Hawks rejects. He couldn't have lost his spot to a holdback because according to Hawk parents they don't have holdbacks. Hysterical.

Every Hawk parent I've ever spoken to readily admits they have 3 or 4 kids older than the 9/1 cutoff for schools.

Lol, I would admit to 3 or 4 too if I had 8-10 and added 4 more. Can't wait until next year to see how many Hawks drop to 2023 and become double holdbacks
#10-4
#3 ranked

#3 in the world, #8 in Hoco - Funny how that works.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there any good box lacrosse programs anywhere in Maryland? I can't seem to find one on line.

The best Box league is the Goals Baltimore League in Catonsville.

Next Level runs a pretty good one in Rockville also. It is more like a bunch of pickup games than a real league.

Madlax runs one out of Dulles but it is mostly B teams.

It would be awesome if Nercc in Parkville could get something going on their multiple regulation indoor box fields.

DuBurns and Resisterstown Sportsplex have great single fields but have don't have strong leagues.

Myers pavilion has a really good box league for high school kids that Crabs and Rock were in last year.

There are a couple outdoor/indoor leagues with nets instead of boards at with MMILL at SoccerStop in Columbia and API may have a league.

Fisc in Frederick also has incredible multiple regulation box fields and has a league. Check the LaxFaxtory site.

3D runs a pretty good indoor league for high schoolers in Annapolis . It is not real Box and has nets instead of boards.

There is no real Box anywhere in Maryland ... its all indoor field lacrosse. Its time to start real box in Baltimore!!

As usual, most of the people who speak on here know absolutely nothing...

The GOALS league is real box lacrosse.

And Lax Factory runs a USBOXLA program during the winter. League and travel teams. Certified box officials and everything.

MADLAX "kind of" runs a box league and tournament. They do use small goals and padded goalies, it is 5-on-5, and their rules resemble box lacrosse. But their officials have no idea how to actually run a box game. Same with Next Level.

Have you watched.. the kids in that league do NOT play box. they play field inside... No-one down here knows how to play box...

Actually, I have watched games in all of these leagues. The question is what do you think "real box" is?

Because I see moving screens, lots of off-ball movement, lots of picks, legal (in box) cross-checking, playing balls off the boards, etc. It's not fighting or big take-out checks and all that, because all of that is against the rules.

Around here, box is a means to an end. And that end is better field players. So they'll never be great at it around here like Canada.

Dukes Nationals 2022 are the undisputed #1 Elite Team. Other DN will be there too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone going to API diamondbacks final tyrout this Sunday? sounds like they have solid teams lined up.

We would really like for the Hawks goalie who got cut to come to
ApI tryouts. No holdbacks here to take your spot and we value stability, loyalty, and continuity

No thanks. Don't need Hawks rejects. He couldn't have lost his spot to a holdback because according to Hawk parents they don't have holdbacks. Hysterical.

Every Hawk parent I've ever spoken to readily admits they have 3 or 4 kids older than the 9/1 cutoff for schools.

Lol, I would admit to 3 or 4 too if I had 8-10 and added 4 more. Can't wait until next year to see how many Hawks drop to 2023 and become double holdbacks
#10-4
#3 ranked

#3 in the world, #8 in Hoco - Funny how that works.

Now that was funny

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone going to API diamondbacks final tyrout this Sunday? sounds like they have solid teams lined up.

We would really like for the Hawks goalie who got cut to come to
ApI tryouts. No holdbacks here to take your spot and we value stability, loyalty, and continuity

No thanks. Don't need Hawks rejects. He couldn't have lost his spot to a holdback because according to Hawk parents they don't have holdbacks. Hysterical.

Every Hawk parent I've ever spoken to readily admits they have 3 or 4 kids older than the 9/1 cutoff for schools.

Lol, I would admit to 3 or 4 too if I had 8-10 and added 4 more. Can't wait until next year to see how many Hawks drop to 2023 and become double holdbacks
#10-4
#3 ranked

#3 in the world, #8 in Hoco - Funny how that works.

Now that was funny

So 3d lost their 2019, 2021 and 2022 teams? Is that correct?

what will be the first tournament that people play in

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what will be the first tournament that people play in

Toomey's Battle on the Bay is again the top fall tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes Nationals 2022 are the undisputed #1 Elite Team. Other DN will be there too.

Correct - depending on the line up for that week. When the all stars and fingers can all make it, they are the best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Api
Loyalty that is a joke .

Loyalty is easy if you really develop talent. If the kids developed by other clubs at tryouts are better, loyalty is hard.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what will be the first tournament that people play in

Not many choices for fall tournaments. Most are just very expensive play days. Skip any event that does not have a playoff.

The nova teams are done with tryouts whose tryouts were well attended whose weren't

The Hawks cuts were at API tryouts today telling anyone who would listen about the Hawks BS. I would rather lose to them 100 straight times than deal with that nonsense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks cuts were at API tryouts today telling anyone who would listen about the Hawks BS. I would rather lose to them 100 straight times than deal with that nonsense.

Rather tryout for a 100 different teams than api.

I wish the BOTC administrator would start a Hawks/API thread so the sh$tbird Dads from these clubs can go over there to get their daily therapy of talking nonsense about each other.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks cuts were at API tryouts today telling anyone who would listen about the Hawks BS. I would rather lose to them 100 straight times than deal with that nonsense.

Sounds like fake news. If there was "Hawks BS" being spread you would not hesitate to say what it was. Good try though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I wish the BOTC administrator would start a Hawks/API thread so the sh$tbird Dads from these clubs can go over there to get their daily therapy of talking nonsense about each other.

I wish they would just man up, state their names and exchange phone numbers. Then they could text each other all the live long day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks cuts were at API tryouts today telling anyone who would listen about the Hawks BS. I would rather lose to them 100 straight times than deal with that nonsense.

Sounds like fake news. If there was "Hawks BS" being spread you would not hesitate to say what it was. Good try though.

Yes, please share the BS. My son would like to tryout next year. Could get there this year.

Rhetorical Question.

If the players at API tryouts had made the Hawks do you think the alleged BS would have been perceived differently?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks cuts were at API tryouts today telling anyone who would listen about the Hawks BS. I would rather lose to them 100 straight times than deal with that nonsense.

Sounds like fake news. If there was "Hawks BS" being spread you would not hesitate to say what it was. Good try though.

The BS is that Hawks said they were going to have B teams for most ages and then didn't. Kids already disappointed they didn't make the A teams are even more annoyed that their backup team fell through and now have to scramble for a spot with a different club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks cuts were at API tryouts today telling anyone who would listen about the Hawks BS. I would rather lose to them 100 straight times than deal with that nonsense.

Sounds like fake news. If there was "Hawks BS" being spread you would not hesitate to say what it was. Good try though.

The BS is that Hawks said they were going to have B teams for most ages and then didn't. Kids already disappointed they didn't make the A teams are even more annoyed that their backup team fell through and now have to scramble for a spot with a different club.

I thought API was the Hawks B team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks cuts were at API tryouts today telling anyone who would listen about the Hawks BS. I would rather lose to them 100 straight times than deal with that nonsense.

Sounds like fake news. If there was "Hawks BS" being spread you would not hesitate to say what it was. Good try though.

The BS is that Hawks said they were going to have B teams for most ages and then didn't. Kids already disappointed they didn't make the A teams are even more annoyed that their backup team fell through and now have to scramble for a spot with a different club.

I thought API was the Hawks B team.

API, Sidewinders, PLC, South River, and so on..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks cuts were at API tryouts today telling anyone who would listen about the Hawks BS. I would rather lose to them 100 straight times than deal with that nonsense.

Sounds like fake news. If there was "Hawks BS" being spread you would not hesitate to say what it was. Good try though.

The BS is that Hawks said they were going to have B teams for most ages and then didn't. Kids already disappointed they didn't make the A teams are even more annoyed that their backup team fell through and now have to scramble for a spot with a different club.

If there had been enough players, there would have been green and black teams, there weren't enough players to fill two teams. How is that the organizations fault.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks cuts were at API tryouts today telling anyone who would listen about the Hawks BS. I would rather lose to them 100 straight times than deal with that nonsense.

Sounds like fake news. If there was "Hawks BS" being spread you would not hesitate to say what it was. Good try though.

The BS is that Hawks said they were going to have B teams for most ages and then didn't. Kids already disappointed they didn't make the A teams are even more annoyed that their backup team fell through and now have to scramble for a spot with a different club.

I thought API was the Hawks B team.

^^^^^^^^ Again that was funny. All clubs would love to have 2 teams at every age group and would if they could. If the numbers are not there after invites are sent out then obviously they will not be able to field 2 teams. All parents and players know this from their invite and had a CHOICE to wait a day or 2 to see if the numbers came back good or not good. Same process for every club that gets the right amount of numbers during registration which then in turn suggests the possibility of 2 teams. Where is the BS in that? Sounds like they did the right thing by not trying to piece together 2 teams.Its not like they purposely screwed over kids , they could of easily took parents money and fees and made much more money but they did the right thing.
If your kid did not have a good try out and got cut than he should feel disappointed. It happens every year at every tryout at every level . He knows that he now has to settle for playing for API and listen to the crap that API dads spew all year long.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks cuts were at API tryouts today telling anyone who would listen about the Hawks BS. I would rather lose to them 100 straight times than deal with that nonsense.

Sounds like fake news. If there was "Hawks BS" being spread you would not hesitate to say what it was. Good try though.

The BS is that Hawks said they were going to have B teams for most ages and then didn't. Kids already disappointed they didn't make the A teams are even more annoyed that their backup team fell through and now have to scramble for a spot with a different club.

What age group 2022? Are you saying Hawk players from last year or players trying out for the Hawks ?

VLC won't be good. 3d doesn't have a team. Madlax Capital will be good. Club blue will be in the middle not the best but pretty good.

Evergreen will be far better than VLC or Club Blue but still not at Madlax Capital's level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen will be far better than VLC or Club Blue but still not at Madlax Capital's level.

Evergreen parents are crazy. That club sucks.

Evergreen will be awesome.

And none will be as good as DC Express.

supposedly their 2022s will be good with all the 3d kids

No club is going to become great with 3d kids. Have you even seen their teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

supposedly their 2022s will be good with all the 3d kids

Did you ever see the 2022 3d team play? Why would any new team be good by adding a bunch of B level players from 3d?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

supposedly their 2022s will be good with all the 3d kids

Did you ever see the 2022 3d team play? Why would any new team be good by adding a bunch of B level players from 3d?

This team won the HOCO league AA div

Massive difference between the AA and Elite divisions. The year prior they played in AA against the Elite teams and didn't win a game.

Does anyone know if club blue is going to be good or did they lose people

VLC 2022s got demolished last year in 2nd tier hoco but they might be picking up people

Exactly, 50% 3d + 30% Cavs + 20% Other kids does not mean Elite 2022 contender. They may or may not be solid in AA but will be better than the other Evergreen youth teams. And Evergreen 2022 will likely be better than Cavs 2022 and VLC 2022 (VLC was combined 22/23 last year). Did you see Cavs now have their own fields in Leesburg?

I heard the ex Hawks are coming to API. So I guess the nonsense on here will continue? Just the idiot parents will be on different sides.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

supposedly their 2022s will be good with all the 3d kids

Did you ever see the 2022 3d team play? Why would any new team be good by adding a bunch of B level players from 3d?

This team won the HOCO league AA div

That would be impressive if there wasn't a whole division of better teams in the Elite division. As I said, B team players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Exactly, 50% 3d + 30% Cavs + 20% Other kids does not mean Elite 2022 contender. They may or may not be solid in AA but will be better than the other Evergreen youth teams. And Evergreen 2022 will likely be better than Cavs 2022 and VLC 2022 (VLC was combined 22/23 last year). Did you see Cavs now have their own fields in Leesburg?

I know that VLC 2022 team was 50% 2023 kids. If they are a full 2022 team now, they MAY be a lot better. I wouldn't bet the farm that Evergreen 2022 would be good - think about how bad that club is.

As for Cavalier having their own field now, who cares? How does that may them necessarily better?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Exactly, 50% 3d + 30% Cavs + 20% Other kids does not mean Elite 2022 contender. They may or may not be solid in AA but will be better than the other Evergreen youth teams. And Evergreen 2022 will likely be better than Cavs 2022 and VLC 2022 (VLC was combined 22/23 last year). Did you see Cavs now have their own fields in Leesburg?

I know that VLC 2022 team was 50% 2023 kids. If they are a full 2022 team now, they MAY be a lot better. I wouldn't bet the farm that Evergreen 2022 would be good - think about how bad that club is.

As for Cavalier having their own field now, who cares? How does that may them necessarily better?

Doesn't evergreen have their own indoor training facility? Like API?

They are affiliated with that facility, but I think it's just outdoor fields. That's great, but if they are touting having access to turf fields, I'm pretty sure every other club practices on a turf field.

It probably is an attractive option to the parents who live near there, but I hear all the teams are terrible.

How many players from BLC went to DC Express? Hearing DCE could be really good this year.

Elite Division for the 2017-18 season ??

BLC Crabs DC Express FCA Hawks Koopers
Madlax MD91 Rough Riders

DC Express picked up several crab starters too

Did the BLC team become the Express? That is what it looked like at the tryouts?

Preseason Ranking

Hawks
Express
Koopers
RR
FCA
91
Madlax
BLC

I watched 4 out of the 8 tryouts. Did not see a couple of the MD teams going off last year and post on the site.

This will all change as the games are played but this will be a very competitive league.

Koopers? We know they have some 2021 kids coming down to play 2022 but this team needs a lot of help now they are ranked #2 never seen them play before.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the BLC team become the Express? That is what it looked like at the tryouts?

Preseason Ranking

Hawks
Express
Koopers
RR
FCA
91
Madlax
BLC

I watched 4 out of the 8 tryouts. Did not see a couple of the MD teams going off last year and post on the site.

This will all change as the games are played but this will be a very competitive league.

This list is obviously wrong, API is #3 in the world and you don't have them listed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the BLC team become the Express? That is what it looked like at the tryouts?

Preseason Ranking

Hawks
Express
Koopers
RR
FCA
91
Madlax
BLC

I watched 4 out of the 8 tryouts. Did not see a couple of the MD teams going off last year and post on the site.

This will all change as the games are played but this will be a very competitive league.

Where is Crabs and API?

DCE is a joint venture with BLC. BLC ends 7th grade and DCE starts 8th grade.

DCE 2022 is stacked. Best BLC kids from last year and 8 new boys from other clubs

DCE 2022 added top kids from club blue - next level- Madlax - and crabs to the top kids at BLC who played 2022 last year and cut several blc 22's - fair process

HOCO LEAGUE

-Koopers
-Hawks
-Express/BLC
-RR
-91
-FCA
-Madlax
-API/National Rank #3
-Crabs
(not sure of any others playing in Elite)

BEST LEAGUE IN THE COUNTRY

Duke Nationals in mix during summer tournaments

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DCE 2022 added top kids from club blue - next level- Madlax - and crabs to the top kids at BLC who played 2022 last year and cut several blc 22's - fair process

This team will win Hoco going away. A great team for sure and the number of holdbacks on this squad is staggering. Basically a freshman high school team.

The "B" team is also loaded with holdbacks and they will be very good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers? We know they have some 2021 kids coming down to play 2022 but this team needs a lot of help now they are ranked #2 never seen them play before.

It's not the existing Koopers 2022 team playing in HOCO. It's a combination of the 2021 Koopers kids and other Dukes Nationals players from PA, NJ and NY. They also picked up a kid that left Crabs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DCE 2022 added top kids from club blue - next level- Madlax - and crabs to the top kids at BLC who played 2022 last year and cut several blc 22's - fair process

This team will win Hoco going away. A great team for sure and the number of holdbacks on this squad is staggering. Basically a freshman high school team.

The "B" team is also loaded with holdbacks and they will be very good.

LOL.....give me a break Dad!! or is this Ray? Bobby?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO LEAGUE

-Koopers
-Hawks
-Express/BLC
-RR
-91
-FCA
-Madlax
-API/National Rank #3
-Crabs
(not sure of any others playing in Elite)

BEST LEAGUE IN THE COUNTRY

Duke Nationals in mix during summer tournaments

Crab's at the bottom....really?

There is no way the 2022 Crabs end up in last place. Their 2022 coaching staff has been coaching varsity level club teams successfully for approx. 15 years. Are enough of the Koopers 2021 players from last year dropping down (or playing within their correct grade) to make them worthy of a #1 preseason ranking? To win, you'll need 12-16 elite level players including a very strong FOGO and keeper or two.

Crabs lost 4 or 5 of their top players from a team that finished middle of pack last year. So probably accurate to predict a step down.

I find it amazing that the elite teams are mainly elite due to holdbacks,,
This is exactly how youth sports was meant to be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO LEAGUE

-Koopers
-Hawks
-Express/BLC
-RR
-91
-FCA
-Madlax
-API/National Rank #3
-Crabs
(not sure of any others playing in Elite)

BEST LEAGUE IN THE COUNTRY

Duke Nationals in mix during summer tournaments

hoco won't allow api to play in the elite division this year. its generally invite only at this age and api was bad last year, and they lost players this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs lost 4 or 5 of their top players from a team that finished middle of pack last year. So probably accurate to predict a step down.

Correct. They only won 2 games last year and one of those was against Next Level who won't be in Elite division this year. They lost some of their better players to Hawks, DCE and Koopers. RM seems to pick his schedule as they have never played Hawks in HOCO but there are no easy games this year. They will be lucky to win a game in HOCO.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO LEAGUE

-Koopers
-Hawks
-Express/BLC
-RR
-91
-FCA
-Madlax
-API/National Rank #3
-Crabs
(not sure of any others playing in Elite)

BEST LEAGUE IN THE COUNTRY

Duke Nationals in mix during summer tournaments

Crab's at the bottom....really?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I find it amazing that the elite teams are mainly elite due to holdbacks,,
This is exactly how youth sports was meant to be.

Is it really that amazing to you? It is exactly how this Elite division is and it's not changing for any daddies whose kid did not make a team that plays it .It has not changed in years for the rising 8th graders. Every single team in this division will have at least 1 holdback for many different reasons. Every parent,player, coach and team all know this and will sign up just the same. HOCO has 5 other divisions to play in for those that don't like the current format.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO LEAGUE

-Koopers
-Hawks
-Express/BLC
-RR
-91
-FCA
-Madlax
-API/National Rank #3
-Crabs
(not sure of any others playing in Elite)

BEST LEAGUE IN THE COUNTRY

Duke Nationals in mix during summer tournaments

Crab's at the bottom....really?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I find it amazing that the elite teams are mainly elite due to holdbacks,,
This is exactly how youth sports was meant to be.

Is it really that amazing to you? It is exactly how this Elite division is and it's not changing for any daddies whose kid did not make a team that plays it .It has not changed in years for the rising 8th graders. Every single team in this division will have at least 1 holdback for many different reasons. Every parent,player, coach and team all know this and will sign up just the same. HOCO has 5 other divisions to play in for those that don't like the current format.

That's funny. Do you honestly think that teams in the AA division don't have holdbacks too? Looneys may have more than anyone at this grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO LEAGUE

-Koopers
-Hawks
-Express/BLC
-RR
-91
-FCA
-Madlax
-API/National Rank #3
-Crabs
(not sure of any others playing in Elite)

BEST LEAGUE IN THE COUNTRY

Duke Nationals in mix during summer tournaments

Crab's at the bottom....really?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I find it amazing that the elite teams are mainly elite due to holdbacks,,
This is exactly how youth sports was meant to be.

Is it really that amazing to you? It is exactly how this Elite division is and it's not changing for any daddies whose kid did not make a team that plays it .It has not changed in years for the rising 8th graders. Every single team in this division will have at least 1 holdback for many different reasons. Every parent,player, coach and team all know this and will sign up just the same. HOCO has 5 other divisions to play in for those that don't like the current format.

Whats so elite about playing against kids that are younger than you are? Better name would be Holdback/prefirst division..Dont you think?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO LEAGUE

-Koopers
-Hawks
-Express/BLC
-RR
-91
-FCA
-Madlax
-API/National Rank #3
-Crabs
(not sure of any others playing in Elite)

BEST LEAGUE IN THE COUNTRY

Duke Nationals in mix during summer tournaments

Crab's at the bottom....really?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I find it amazing that the elite teams are mainly elite due to holdbacks,,
This is exactly how youth sports was meant to be.

Is it really that amazing to you? It is exactly how this Elite division is and it's not changing for any daddies whose kid did not make a team that plays it .It has not changed in years for the rising 8th graders. Every single team in this division will have at least 1 holdback for many different reasons. Every parent,player, coach and team all know this and will sign up just the same. HOCO has 5 other divisions to play in for those that don't like the current format.

That's funny. Do you honestly think that teams in the AA division don't have holdbacks too? Looneys may have more than anyone at this grade.

The DCExpress "B" team has more

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs lost 4 or 5 of their top players from a team that finished middle of pack last year. So probably accurate to predict a step down.

"Top players"...according to who? Everybody is a top player to somebody. Weather or not that person has any credibility is another matter entirely.

And what about the skill set, size and speed of the boys they kept or picked up. Does your crystal ball tell you all that too?

These postings are all hot air. It will all come out in the wash come spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers? We know they have some 2021 kids coming down to play 2022 but this team needs a lot of help now they are ranked #2 never seen them play before.

It's not the existing Koopers 2022 team playing in HOCO. It's a combination of the 2021 Koopers kids and other Dukes Nationals players from PA, NJ and NY. They also picked up a kid that left Crabs

It's 5 kids from Koopers 2021 including the leading scorers and goalie. The Philly/nj all stars will fill out the rest of the team.

Basically, it's the core of kids that killed Hawks at Naptown. They may runaway with Hoco this year no matter who BLC/DCE and Hawks add.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs lost 4 or 5 of their top players from a team that finished middle of pack last year. So probably accurate to predict a step down.

"Top players"...according to who? Everybody is a top player to somebody. Weather or not that person has any credibility is another matter entirely.

And what about the skill set, size and speed of the boys they kept or picked up. Does your crystal ball tell you all that too?

These postings are all hot air. It will all come out in the wash come spring.

-Koopers
-Hawks
-Express/BLC
-RR
-91
-FCA
-Madlax
-API/National Rank #3
-Crabs

They may be hot air but whoever posted it knows what's going.

Hawks and Express may swap spots.

Madlax may be above 91 also.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO LEAGUE

-Koopers
-Hawks
-Express/BLC
-RR
-91
-FCA
-Madlax
-API/National Rank #3
-Crabs
(not sure of any others playing in Elite)

BEST LEAGUE IN THE COUNTRY

Duke Nationals in mix during summer tournaments

Crab's at the bottom....really?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I find it amazing that the elite teams are mainly elite due to holdbacks,,
This is exactly how youth sports was meant to be.

Is it really that amazing to you? It is exactly how this Elite division is and it's not changing for any daddies whose kid did not make a team that plays it .It has not changed in years for the rising 8th graders. Every single team in this division will have at least 1 holdback for many different reasons. Every parent,player, coach and team all know this and will sign up just the same. HOCO has 5 other divisions to play in for those that don't like the current format.

That's funny. Do you honestly think that teams in the AA division don't have holdbacks too? Looneys may have more than anyone at this grade.

The DCExpress "B" team has more

Duke's National shouldn't be in any conversation. The team is not built from kids in a specific area. It's let me grab the 25 best kids from Virginia to Maine. The fact that their team does not win every tournament it is in is a travesty. I laugh that they boast of winning tournaments playing against localized clubs. I they played and won a tournament against some National club teams with their best kids (91, Madlax,FCA,LB3, 3d,...) then they could talk, but they would probably be missing part of their team.

In terms of Dukes, the team doesn't practice from May through August. They just get together and play for the fun of it. The fact that they are able to play as well as they do is a testament to those boys skill levels. If they have to play a top team early in a tournament they can and do struggle which would be expected when playing a team that has been practicing together 3-4 days a week for months on end. But as you saw against Hawks, if they get to play 4 or 5 games first, they can run any team off the field.

Who put out this ranking?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who put out this ranking?

It is the based on winning%, SOS, coaches voting, score dif. USL ranking it is a very complicated algorithm but the BOTC ranking is the most accurate and up to date on and should be the standard used when seeding teams as well as a guide club owners can and should use when deciding the annual tuition fees to charge parents.

Yeah...and the 2022 Crabs will be at the bottom of the wash.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs lost 4 or 5 of their top players from a team that finished middle of pack last year. So probably accurate to predict a step down.

"Top players"...according to who? Everybody is a top player to somebody. Weather or not that person has any credibility is another matter entirely.

And what about the skill set, size and speed of the boys they kept or picked up. Does your crystal ball tell you all that too?

These postings are all hot air. It will all come out in the wash come spring.

-Koopers
-Hawks
-Express/BLC
-RR
-91
-FCA
-Madlax
-API/National Rank #3
-Crabs

They may be hot air but whoever posted it knows what's going.

Hawks and Express may swap spots.

Madlax may be above 91 also.

91 is going to drop down. FCA picked up quite a few kids too.Should be a fun spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HOCO LEAGUE

-Koopers
-Hawks
-Express/BLC
-RR
-91
-FCA
-Madlax
-API/National Rank #3
-Crabs
(not sure of any others playing in Elite)

BEST LEAGUE IN THE COUNTRY

Duke Nationals in mix during summer tournaments

Crab's at the bottom....really?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I find it amazing that the elite teams are mainly elite due to holdbacks,,
This is exactly how youth sports was meant to be.

Is it really that amazing to you? It is exactly how this Elite division is and it's not changing for any daddies whose kid did not make a team that plays it .It has not changed in years for the rising 8th graders. Every single team in this division will have at least 1 holdback for many different reasons. Every parent,player, coach and team all know this and will sign up just the same. HOCO has 5 other divisions to play in for those that don't like the current format.

That's funny. Do you honestly think that teams in the AA division don't have holdbacks too? Looneys may have more than anyone at this grade.

The DCExpress "B" team has more

Duke's National shouldn't be in any conversation. The team is not built from kids in a specific area. It's let me grab the 25 best kids from Virginia to Maine. The fact that their team does not win every tournament it is in is a travesty. I laugh that they boast of winning tournaments playing against localized clubs. I they played and won a tournament against some National club teams with their best kids (91, Madlax,FCA,LB3, 3d,...) then they could talk, but they would probably be missing part of their team.

Agree. Fine with losing to local clubs, including Millon's frequent flyers, but the idea of a mercenary all-star team from out of state competing against local clubs seems like trophy hunting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs lost 4 or 5 of their top players from a team that finished middle of pack last year. So probably accurate to predict a step down.

"Top players"...according to who? Everybody is a top player to somebody. Weather or not that person has any credibility is another matter entirely.

And what about the skill set, size and speed of the boys they kept or picked up. Does your crystal ball tell you all that too?

These postings are all hot air. It will all come out in the wash come spring.

I completely agree with this post. What I can tell you is the Crabs will outwork everyone in the League to improve. Their coaching staff has more experience recruiting, developing and coaching elite 8th grade teams than any other staff in the Conference. Don't count this team or staff out. Look for a much improved team (including the Win Loss Record) under RM's leadership. Ryan's teams never finish anywhere close to last place.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers? We know they have some 2021 kids coming down to play 2022 but this team needs a lot of help now they are ranked #2 never seen them play before.

It's not the existing Koopers 2022 team playing in HOCO. It's a combination of the 2021 Koopers kids and other Dukes Nationals players from PA, NJ and NY. They also picked up a kid that left Crabs

It's 5 kids from Koopers 2021 including the leading scorers and goalie. The Philly/nj all stars will fill out the rest of the team.

Basically, it's the core of kids that killed Hawks at Naptown. They may runaway with Hoco this year no matter who BLC/DCE and Hawks add.

Does anyone think a group of kids from PA, NJ and NY are going to drive down to Bmore for one game early every Sunday morning? I've coached teams that have run the table for multiple years and they were all local. Even then you had kids miss games due to other commitments. Good luck lads....

AP

A HOLE Parent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs lost 4 or 5 of their top players from a team that finished middle of pack last year. So probably accurate to predict a step down.

"Top players"...according to who? Everybody is a top player to somebody. Weather or not that person has any credibility is another matter entirely.

And what about the skill set, size and speed of the boys they kept or picked up. Does your crystal ball tell you all that too?

These postings are all hot air. It will all come out in the wash come spring.

I completely agree with this post. What I can tell you is the Crabs will outwork everyone in the League to improve. Their coaching staff has more experience recruiting, developing and coaching elite 8th grade teams than any other staff in the Conference. Don't count this team or staff out. Look for a much improved team (including the Win Loss Record) under RM's leadership. Ryan's teams never finish anywhere close to last place.

LOL. Thanks Ryan.

BLC feeds into express they don't have a 8th grade A team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers? We know they have some 2021 kids coming down to play 2022 but this team needs a lot of help now they are ranked #2 never seen them play before.

It's not the existing Koopers 2022 team playing in HOCO. It's a combination of the 2021 Koopers kids and other Dukes Nationals players from PA, NJ and NY. They also picked up a kid that left Crabs

It's 5 kids from Koopers 2021 including the leading scorers and goalie. The Philly/nj all stars will fill out the rest of the team.

Basically, it's the core of kids that killed Hawks at Naptown. They may runaway with Hoco this year no matter who BLC/DCE and Hawks add.

Does anyone think a group of kids from PA, NJ and NY are going to drive down to Bmore for one game early every Sunday morning? I've coached teams that have run the table for multiple years and they were all local. Even then you had kids miss games due to other commitments. Good luck lads....

Rising Sons 2020 was in hoco 2 years ago and it worked for them.

They did play two games a weekend and skip other weekends.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers? We know they have some 2021 kids coming down to play 2022 but this team needs a lot of help now they are ranked #2 never seen them play before.

It's not the existing Koopers 2022 team playing in HOCO. It's a combination of the 2021 Koopers kids and other Dukes Nationals players from PA, NJ and NY. They also picked up a kid that left Crabs

It's 5 kids from Koopers 2021 including the leading scorers and goalie. The Philly/nj all stars will fill out the rest of the team.

Basically, it's the core of kids that killed Hawks at Naptown. They may runaway with Hoco this year no matter who BLC/DCE and Hawks add.

Does anyone think a group of kids from PA, NJ and NY are going to drive down to Bmore for one game early every Sunday morning? I've coached teams that have run the table for multiple years and they were all local. Even then you had kids miss games due to other commitments. Good luck lads....

Rising Sons 2020 was in hoco 2 years ago and it worked for them.

They did play two games a weekend and skip other weekends.

that same yr Looneys and T91 2020 played in the philly league with the same kinda every other weekend deal.

Last year proved there will not be a Dominant team from start to finish. It's a very long year and hard to grind out every tournament . HOCO league was very competitive with the Hawks going undefeated. That is hard to do and it will be tough to repeat that. All other clubs got better and better as the summer tournaments started. Its hard to grind out 4 and 5 games every weekend. Talent and teams are too good. All the big tournaments proved that last summer including the WSYL,NLF,2022 Championship,HHH,Naptown etc.. Even an ALL STAR team will not be able to run the table. Teams are too good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Last year proved there will not be a Dominant team from start to finish. It's a very long year and hard to grind out every tournament . HOCO league was very competitive with the Hawks going undefeated. That is hard to do and it will be tough to repeat that. All other clubs got better and better as the summer tournaments started. Its hard to grind out 4 and 5 games every weekend. Talent and teams are too good. All the big tournaments proved that last summer including the WSYL,NLF,2022 Championship,HHH,Naptown etc.. Even an ALL STAR team will not be able to run the table. Teams are too good.

I think if you are just talking about teams with kids all living within 50 miles of each other, Hawks were fairly dominate. Losses to Dukes east coast all stars and Team 91 MD & TX were examples of how far you have to go to beat them.

It's debatable whether the Duke's National team even qualifies as an eligible team per hoco bylaws. Do they promote tryouts open to all or is it select invite only tryouts? And yes, I'd be perfectly ok with the Duke's not playing because of a technicality. An all-star team does not belong in a local club league anymore than a club team belongs in a local rec league.

"Independent Clubs application to the league for membership require its team(s) to promote and conduct open tryouts to assure equal access to all players that meet the age restrictions of the team(s) being organized for play. All Independent Clubs must meet the ‘multiple teams’ stipulation under the Membership section of these bylaws."

Duke's Nationals exists only as long as other club coaches allow their players to play for a second team. When they start beating their chest about beating local clubs, it might be time to check them by scheduling practices and play days on the same days as their mini-camps. You can't really tell a kid what they can and can't do on their own time, but you can create scheduling conflicts.

Is it really a Dukes National team or is Koopers just importing some ringers from PA,NJ and NY? It all comes down to numbers and team chemistry. Plenty of talented high school teams have failed to win a championship because they had 4 stars and 2 B- players on offense or defense. Opposing teams were able to shut off or slide fast to the top four offensive players and the remaining two couldn't finish. On offense, if the opposition has a more balanced offense, they can isolate the two weak links using off ball movement and/or a two man game and get quality time and room shots. If teams get a lot of film on this super team, they can be exposed by a talented team with better chemistry and coaching.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it really a Dukes National team or is Koopers just importing some ringers from PA,NJ and NY? It all comes down to numbers and team chemistry. Plenty of talented high school teams have failed to win a championship because they had 4 stars and 2 B- players on offense or defense. Opposing teams were able to shut off or slide fast to the top four offensive players and the remaining two couldn't finish. On offense, if the opposition has a more balanced offense, they can isolate the two weak links using off ball movement and/or a two man game and get quality time and room shots. If teams get a lot of film on this super team, they can be exposed by a talented team with better chemistry and coaching.

In joy caring about winning with travel lacrosse this is the last year anyone will really care about it. Its all about college eyes the rest of the way.

in joy? did you graduate K????

DC Express B Team will be better than most HoCO teams save for 5-6 Elite teams. Should be even/beat Madlax and API.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it really a Dukes National team or is Koopers just importing some ringers from PA,NJ and NY? It all comes down to numbers and team chemistry. Plenty of talented high school teams have failed to win a championship because they had 4 stars and 2 B- players on offense or defense. Opposing teams were able to shut off or slide fast to the top four offensive players and the remaining two couldn't finish. On offense, if the opposition has a more balanced offense, they can isolate the two weak links using off ball movement and/or a two man game and get quality time and room shots. If teams get a lot of film on this super team, they can be exposed by a talented team with better chemistry and coaching.

The philly, nj and NY kids are on the Dukes Nationals team. The only kids they are missing from the normal team are the ones that play for FCA, API and 91

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it really a Dukes National team or is Koopers just importing some ringers from PA,NJ and NY? It all comes down to numbers and team chemistry. Plenty of talented high school teams have failed to win a championship because they had 4 stars and 2 B- players on offense or defense. Opposing teams were able to shut off or slide fast to the top four offensive players and the remaining two couldn't finish. On offense, if the opposition has a more balanced offense, they can isolate the two weak links using off ball movement and/or a two man game and get quality time and room shots. If teams get a lot of film on this super team, they can be exposed by a talented team with better chemistry and coaching.

In joy caring about winning with travel lacrosse this is the last year anyone will really care about it. Its all about college eyes the rest of the way.

No, Shallow Hal, its about winning an MIAA, WCAC, IAC or State title after this. The college stuff will take care of itself: if you're son is good enough, he will get recruited. If your son has collegiate potential (height, speed, skill, field IQ) and continues to develop he will get picked up. Its that simple.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Express B Team will be better than most HoCO teams save for 5-6 Elite teams. Should be even/beat Madlax and API.

You are a complete moron Bethesda dad. Make sure you plan in the top divisions during the fall and summer tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Last year proved there will not be a Dominant team from start to finish. It's a very long year and hard to grind out every tournament . HOCO league was very competitive with the Hawks going undefeated. That is hard to do and it will be tough to repeat that. All other clubs got better and better as the summer tournaments started. Its hard to grind out 4 and 5 games every weekend. Talent and teams are too good. All the big tournaments proved that last summer including the WSYL,NLF,2022 Championship,HHH,Naptown etc.. Even an ALL STAR team will not be able to run the table. Teams are too good.

I think if you are just talking about teams with kids all living within 50 miles of each other, Hawks were fairly dominate. Losses to Dukes east coast all stars and Team 91 MD & TX were examples of how far you have to go to beat them.

Too bad Hawks never played Igoo to see how the two best teams of local kids matched up.

Who is signed up for the Next Level fall league?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Express B Team will be better than most HoCO teams save for 5-6 Elite teams. Should be even/beat Madlax and API.

You are a complete moron Bethesda dad. Make sure you plan in the top divisions during the fall and summer tournaments.

No big deal everyone beat API last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Express B Team will be better than most HoCO teams save for 5-6 Elite teams. Should be even/beat Madlax and API.

You are a complete moron Bethesda dad. Make sure you plan in the top divisions during the fall and summer tournaments.

No big deal everyone beat API last year.

api is the red headed step child

Api pick up some good long poles , same attack kids and the about same talent at middies . They got 2 face kids but not good enough for elite division for HOCO . The face off kids are good for AA division . Api could drop down

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Api pick up some good long poles , same attack kids and the about same talent at middies . They got 2 face kids but not good enough for elite division for HOCO . The face off kids are good for AA division . Api could drop down

Unless they lost the bulk of the team they will be just fine. I don't see them dropping down at all. Didn't they pick up a holdback goalie and a few more holdbacks. Plus what they had last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Api pick up some good long poles , same attack kids and the about same talent at middies . They got 2 face kids but not good enough for elite division for HOCO . The face off kids are good for AA division . Api could drop down

Unless they lost the bulk of the team they will be just fine. I don't see them dropping down at all. Didn't they pick up a holdback goalie and a few more holdbacks. Plus what they had last year.

And they were not good last year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Api pick up some good long poles , same attack kids and the about same talent at middies . They got 2 face kids but not good enough for elite division for HOCO . The face off kids are good for AA division . Api could drop down

Unless they lost the bulk of the team they will be just fine. I don't see them dropping down at all. Didn't they pick up a holdback goalie and a few more holdbacks. Plus what they had last year.

Doesn't matter who they picked up. They could have the best players in the world but they have no one who can coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Api pick up some good long poles , same attack kids and the about same talent at middies . They got 2 face kids but not good enough for elite division for HOCO . The face off kids are good for AA division . Api could drop down

Unless they lost the bulk of the team they will be just fine. I don't see them dropping down at all. Didn't they pick up a holdback goalie and a few more holdbacks. Plus what they had last year.

Doesn't matter who they picked up. They could have the best players in the world but they have no one who can coach.

Not with API, but their new Coach is very good highly qualified.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Api pick up some good long poles , same attack kids and the about same talent at middies . They got 2 face kids but not good enough for elite division for HOCO . The face off kids are good for AA division . Api could drop down

Unless they lost the bulk of the team they will be just fine. I don't see them dropping down at all. Didn't they pick up a holdback goalie and a few more holdbacks. Plus what they had last year.

Doesn't matter who they picked up. They could have the best players in the world but they have no one who can coach.

Not with API, but their new Coach is very good highly qualified.

Buggs is an outcast in the lax community so keep on dreaming. Maybe he was a good player 20 years ago, but he hasn't done anything as a coach. Also, the old coach is still involved just like last year, don't fool yourself. API is a [lacrosse] show.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Api pick up some good long poles , same attack kids and the about same talent at middies . They got 2 face kids but not good enough for elite division for HOCO . The face off kids are good for AA division . Api could drop down

Unless they lost the bulk of the team they will be just fine. I don't see them dropping down at all. Didn't they pick up a holdback goalie and a few more holdbacks. Plus what they had last year.

Doesn't matter who they picked up. They could have the best players in the world but they have no one who can coach.

Not with API, but their new Coach is very good highly qualified.

Buggs is coaching this year - right?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Api pick up some good long poles , same attack kids and the about same talent at middies . They got 2 face kids but not good enough for elite division for HOCO . The face off kids are good for AA division . Api could drop down

Unless they lost the bulk of the team they will be just fine. I don't see them dropping down at all. Didn't they pick up a holdback goalie and a few more holdbacks. Plus what they had last year.

Doesn't matter who they picked up. They could have the best players in the world but they have no one who can coach.

Not with API, but their new Coach is very good highly qualified.

New coach in name only. Same characters on the sidelines.

The real question now for API is who will take the pictures?

Buggs hasn't coach in a elite league . He drops teams down..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Buggs hasn't coach in a elite league . He drops teams down..

Not sure where you get information from. Buggs has coached several elite teams at the older levels and has had success . He is also heavily involved in the lax community and has been with Warrior from the very beginning. API will not drop down. He is highly qualified to coach that team. As far as the sideline losers its just unfortunate the rest of us will have to put up with it for another year. Hopefully they will let this coach teach their kids something and embarrass themselves or kids like every other year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Buggs hasn't coach in a elite league . He drops teams down..

Not sure where you get information from. Buggs has coached several elite teams at the older levels and has had success . He is also heavily involved in the lax community and has been with Warrior from the very beginning. API will not drop down. He is highly qualified to coach that team. As far as the sideline losers its just unfortunate the rest of us will have to put up with it for another year. Hopefully they will let this coach teach their kids something and embarrass themselves or kids like every other year.

keep drinking that kool aid.

#3 in the World

Originally Posted by Anonymous

#3 in the World

#8 in hoco. #1 in our hearts!

We had a coach contact from Breakers club. What's the info on them? Thanks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We had a coach contact from Breakers club. What's the info on them? Thanks.

Buyer beware! They were an ok club until 91 hijacked most of their organization. Now they are really struggling

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We had a coach contact from Breakers club. What's the info on them? Thanks.

Buyer beware! They were an ok club until 91 hijacked most of their organization. Now they are really struggling

They went from being a top club..to an ok club to a club not doing very well after Million left them and took what he wanted... But they have always been a very expensive club..

Laxworld 2022 fold?

Not sure about 2022 at Laxworld, but LWLC 2024's can't field a team. Looks like a lot of clubs are struggling to fill rosters.

The LWLC 2021 Coach left right before tryouts so I don't think Laxworld has a 2021 team either. He went to Breakers & I think many of the LWLC boys followed him there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure about 2022 at Laxworld, but LWLC 2024's can't field a team. Looks like a lot of clubs are struggling to fill rosters.

LWLC 2024 Coach's son went to Looneys 2024 Orange.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The LWLC 2021 Coach left right before tryouts so I don't think Laxworld has a 2021 team either. He went to Breakers & I think many of the LWLC boys followed him there.

Lax World is not a viable club program

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Buggs hasn't coach in a elite league . He drops teams down..

Not sure where you get information from. Buggs has coached several elite teams at the older levels and has had success . He is also heavily involved in the lax community and has been with Warrior from the very beginning. API will not drop down. He is highly qualified to coach that team. As far as the sideline losers its just unfortunate the rest of us will have to put up with it for another year. Hopefully they will let this coach teach their kids something and embarrass themselves or kids like every other year.

Have another cup of API cool-aid.
Buggs is a complete joke of a coach a bad example for teenage boys. He acts like a child often himself.
Once showed up to coach his team halfway through the game when he showed up late after a night of drinking.
Maybe if he can separate his personal life from his work life he can strive to be something more than a glorified figurehead.

Sorry for those LWLC kids and parents Breakers is a joke but enjoy the failed promises

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The LWLC 2021 Coach left right before tryouts so I don't think Laxworld has a 2021 team either. He went to Breakers & I think many of the LWLC boys followed him there.

Like getting rescued from the Titanic by the Hindenburg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The LWLC 2021 Coach left right before tryouts so I don't think Laxworld has a 2021 team either. He went to Breakers & I think many of the LWLC boys followed him there.

Like getting rescued from the Titanic by the Hindenburg

I view it differently. Breakers will be a "survivor" as clubs like LWLC, Bitmore and others fade into memory. There are, IMHO, too many clubs, and the environment will become one of consolidation. The growth of clubs in the last ten years apparently has outpaced the number of clients available to serve. Whatever the prior experiences at Breakers, perhaps with a new directorship and with greater player participation, the organization might flourish again. Who knows, but at least they will survive along with a handful of others in the Baltimore area and so at least have the opportunity to examine and reexamine itself with hopes of improving. I am not sure that Team 91MD has a long shelf life, along with Team 42, Green Turtle. Less competition will invariably result in better teams, better organizations, and perhaps multiple teams at grade levels which will permit better coaching of basic skills at the second level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Buggs hasn't coach in a elite league . He drops teams down..

Not sure where you get information from. Buggs has coached several elite teams at the older levels and has had success . He is also heavily involved in the lax community and has been with Warrior from the very beginning. API will not drop down. He is highly qualified to coach that team. As far as the sideline losers its just unfortunate the rest of us will have to put up with it for another year. Hopefully they will let this coach teach their kids something and embarrass themselves or kids like every other year.

Have another cup of API cool-aid.
Buggs is a complete joke of a coach a bad example for teenage boys. He acts like a child often himself.
Once showed up to coach his team halfway through the game when he showed up late after a night of drinking.
Maybe if he can separate his personal life from his work life he can strive to be something more than a glorified figurehead.

For those of us not "in the know", when did Buggs Combs show up late to a game and how do you know it was due to his drinking and staying out late at night? Was this a recent occurrence or are you simply digging up his past for your own purposes? By the way, were you or your family ever affiliated with API? I am not, but wonder what motivates people on this forum to being so viciously mean-spirited.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers? We know they have some 2021 kids coming down to play 2022 but this team needs a lot of help now they are ranked #2 never seen them play before.

It's not the existing Koopers 2022 team playing in HOCO. It's a combination of the 2021 Koopers kids and other Dukes Nationals players from PA, NJ and NY. They also picked up a kid that left Crabs

It's 5 kids from Koopers 2021 including the leading scorers and goalie. The Philly/nj all stars will fill out the rest of the team.

Basically, it's the core of kids that killed Hawks at Naptown. They may runaway with Hoco this year no matter who BLC/DCE and Hawks add.

So for years the Koopers director dissed holdbacks. Now that he has some he will let them do this? Shame on you Ronny.

Crabs and Team 91 will be the only two AA or Elite Clubs in the next five years....the rest will drop to A level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers? We know they have some 2021 kids coming down to play 2022 but this team needs a lot of help now they are ranked #2 never seen them play before.

It's not the existing Koopers 2022 team playing in HOCO. It's a combination of the 2021 Koopers kids and other Dukes Nationals players from PA, NJ and NY. They also picked up a kid that left Crabs

It's 5 kids from Koopers 2021 including the leading scorers and goalie. The Philly/nj all stars will fill out the rest of the team.

Basically, it's the core of kids that killed Hawks at Naptown. They may runaway with Hoco this year no matter who BLC/DCE and Hawks add.

So for years the Koopers director dissed holdbacks. Now that he has some he will let them do this? Shame on you Ronny.

Those kids have been playing up since they started. They are 22s on the 21 team. Shame on you anonymous fawn.

I love it. Self anointed champs. Good thing the game is played on the field and not on these forums. Any given Sunday. This will be a great lax season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers? We know they have some 2021 kids coming down to play 2022 but this team needs a lot of help now they are ranked #2 never seen them play before.

It's not the existing Koopers 2022 team playing in HOCO. It's a combination of the 2021 Koopers kids and other Dukes Nationals players from PA, NJ and NY. They also picked up a kid that left Crabs

It's 5 kids from Koopers 2021 including the leading scorers and goalie. The Philly/nj all stars will fill out the rest of the team.

Basically, it's the core of kids that killed Hawks at Naptown. They may runaway with Hoco this year no matter who BLC/DCE and Hawks add.

So for years the Koopers director dissed holdbacks. Now that he has some he will let them do this? Shame on you Ronny.

Those kids have been playing up since they started. They are 22s on the 21 team. Shame on you anonymous fawn.

Please define the term "playing up"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs and Team 91 will be the only two AA or Elite Clubs in the next five years....the rest will drop to A level.

Silly statement! Do mean at all age groups? Where will the rest of the AA or Elite teams come from for them to play against?
Do mean at this age group? There is only 4 more years for this age and if you think Mad Lax , Bethesda and especially the Hawks will drop down than you are a looney bin from Roland Park still living off your 80 year old parents money 💰
But thanks for your 2 cents

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs and Team 91 will be the only two AA or Elite Clubs in the next five years....the rest will drop to A level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs and Team 91 will be the only two AA or Elite Clubs in the next five years....the rest will drop to A level.

Will the first candidate for the flat earth society please stand.

Playing Up' to play up an age or grade level from the age or grade level you belong in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Playing Up' to play up an age or grade level from the age or grade level you belong in.

When the boys are playing with kids their own age, it is not playing up. I don't care that they are a school year behind because they are holdbacks or pre-first. Let's not pretend that they aren't older 2022s or the equivalent of on age 2021s because we all know better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs and Team 91 will be the only two AA or Elite Clubs in the next five years....the rest will drop to A level.

There will always be 1 or 2 elite teams from Baltimore, 1 or 2 from Anne Arundel Co, and 1 or 2 from Montgomery County.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers? We know they have some 2021 kids coming down to play 2022 but this team needs a lot of help now they are ranked #2 never seen them play before.

It's not the existing Koopers 2022 team playing in HOCO. It's a combination of the 2021 Koopers kids and other Dukes Nationals players from PA, NJ and NY. They also picked up a kid that left Crabs

It's 5 kids from Koopers 2021 including the leading scorers and goalie. The Philly/nj all stars will fill out the rest of the team.

Basically, it's the core of kids that killed Hawks at Naptown. They may runaway with Hoco this year no matter who BLC/DCE and Hawks add.

So for years the Koopers director dissed holdbacks. Now that he has some he will let them do this? Shame on you Ronny.

His own kid is one of them. Reclassing is no different than taking an early PG year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Playing Up' to play up an age or grade level from the age or grade level you belong in.

When the boys are playing with kids their own age, it is not playing up. I don't care that they are a school year behind because they are holdbacks or pre-first. Let's not pretend that they aren't older 2022s or the equivalent of on age 2021s because we all know better.

yawn...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Playing Up' to play up an age or grade level from the age or grade level you belong in.

When the boys are playing with kids their own age, it is not playing up. I don't care that they are a school year behind because they are holdbacks or pre-first. Let's not pretend that they aren't older 2022s or the equivalent of on age 2021s because we all know better.

Lets not pretend that birthdates, holdbacks, and pre first kids are your problem. Your problem is that club lacrosse's best teams are full of kids that are pretty good and you feel badly for your son that he is "disadvantaged" bc of age and not bc of the simple fact that life isn't fair. Grow up and do something productive for yourself. If you can't ask for help. There are plenty of people who will help you in the lacrosse world.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers? We know they have some 2021 kids coming down to play 2022 but this team needs a lot of help now they are ranked #2 never seen them play before.

It's not the existing Koopers 2022 team playing in HOCO. It's a combination of the 2021 Koopers kids and other Dukes Nationals players from PA, NJ and NY. They also picked up a kid that left Crabs

It's 5 kids from Koopers 2021 including the leading scorers and goalie. The Philly/nj all stars will fill out the rest of the team.

Basically, it's the core of kids that killed Hawks at Naptown. They may runaway with Hoco this year no matter who BLC/DCE and Hawks add.

So for years the Koopers director dissed holdbacks. Now that he has some he will let them do this? Shame on you Ronny.

Actually, they had a handful of kids playing up for several years, and now that 21's are going into HS, the true 22's stayed with their actual grade. Not holdbacks at all, on-age, compadre. NOW, that being said, a bunch of holdbacks from other clubs flocked to that 22 tryout because they wanted to be with that on-age talent, so best kids on-grade make the team. Why shouldn't Koopers benefit? Their older teams did it straight up for several years and are competitive over .500 AA teams now, so screw you if some holdbacks finally show up in the 8th grade. That club paid their dues, no f'ing way they take sh@t for landing a couple 8th grade horses. F that, brother, F that, bs called on your weak-azz cheap shot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers? We know they have some 2021 kids coming down to play 2022 but this team needs a lot of help now they are ranked #2 never seen them play before.

It's not the existing Koopers 2022 team playing in HOCO. It's a combination of the 2021 Koopers kids and other Dukes Nationals players from PA, NJ and NY. They also picked up a kid that left Crabs

It's 5 kids from Koopers 2021 including the leading scorers and goalie. The Philly/nj all stars will fill out the rest of the team.

Basically, it's the core of kids that killed Hawks at Naptown. They may runaway with Hoco this year no matter who BLC/DCE and Hawks add.

So for years the Koopers director dissed holdbacks. Now that he has some he will let them do this? Shame on you Ronny.

Those kids have been playing up since they started. They are 22s on the 21 team. Shame on you anonymous fawn.

Please define the term "playing up"

You just defined it all by yourself. They played up knuckled$ck. They are in the 8th grade for real, no repeated grades by your K-12 old tired public standards, but they played one graduation year ahead for the last several years. So last year they played 8th grade, but they were in 7th grade. Their former teammates went to HS, they went to 8th grade. They are now playing 8th grade again where they belonged all along. How did you need this explained? They payed up, so now they finally aren't playing up. Is that a freakin problem now too. Can't freakin win these days no matter what you do. You people need a new hobby other than trolling kids, dude.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Playing Up' to play up an age or grade level from the age or grade level you belong in.

When the boys are playing with kids their own age, it is not playing up. I don't care that they are a school year behind because they are holdbacks or pre-first. Let's not pretend that they aren't older 2022s or the equivalent of on age 2021s because we all know better.

Lets not pretend that birthdates, holdbacks, and pre first kids are your problem. Your problem is that club lacrosse's best teams are full of kids that are pretty good and you feel badly for your son that he is "disadvantaged" bc of age and not bc of the simple fact that life isn't fair. Grow up and do something productive for yourself. If you can't ask for help. There are plenty of people who will help you in the lacrosse world.

Lots of help available for only $50 an hour.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers? We know they have some 2021 kids coming down to play 2022 but this team needs a lot of help now they are ranked #2 never seen them play before.

It's not the existing Koopers 2022 team playing in HOCO. It's a combination of the 2021 Koopers kids and other Dukes Nationals players from PA, NJ and NY. They also picked up a kid that left Crabs

It's 5 kids from Koopers 2021 including the leading scorers and goalie. The Philly/nj all stars will fill out the rest of the team.

Basically, it's the core of kids that killed Hawks at Naptown. They may runaway with Hoco this year no matter who BLC/DCE and Hawks add.

So for years the Koopers director dissed holdbacks. Now that he has some he will let them do this? Shame on you Ronny.

Actually, they had a handful of kids playing up for several years, and now that 21's are going into HS, the true 22's stayed with their actual grade. Not holdbacks at all, on-age, compadre. NOW, that being said, a bunch of holdbacks from other clubs flocked to that 22 tryout because they wanted to be with that on-age talent, so best kids on-grade make the team. Why shouldn't Koopers benefit? Their older teams did it straight up for several years and are competitive over .500 AA teams now, so screw you if some holdbacks finally show up in the 8th grade. That club paid their dues, no f'ing way they take sh@t for landing a couple 8th grade horses. F that, brother, F that, bs called on your weak-azz cheap shot.

3 of the 5 Koopers kids now playing as 2022s are reclassed 2021s (born before 9/1/2003). Only 2 were truly playing up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers? We know they have some 2021 kids coming down to play 2022 but this team needs a lot of help now they are ranked #2 never seen them play before.

It's not the existing Koopers 2022 team playing in HOCO. It's a combination of the 2021 Koopers kids and other Dukes Nationals players from PA, NJ and NY. They also picked up a kid that left Crabs

It's 5 kids from Koopers 2021 including the leading scorers and goalie. The Philly/nj all stars will fill out the rest of the team.

Basically, it's the core of kids that killed Hawks at Naptown. They may runaway with Hoco this year no matter who BLC/DCE and Hawks add.

So for years the Koopers director dissed holdbacks. Now that he has some he will let them do this? Shame on you Ronny.

His own kid is one of them. Reclassing is no different than taking an early PG year.

BS again, nice try. Still playing previous grade, didn't hold back in club, just when transferred to different t school. Fake News again. Keep it coming, we can go all night and day. Take you bs back to the other clubs, nothing to see here.. oh, and calling out a specific minor kid anonymously on the internet, yeah, that's creeper mode. Just let us know when you are ready for a shot at the title, and someone will be by my friend. Time and location big shot, time and location.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The LWLC 2021 Coach left right before tryouts so I don't think Laxworld has a 2021 team either. He went to Breakers & I think many of the LWLC boys followed him there.

Like getting rescued from the Titanic by the Hindenburg

I view it differently. Breakers will be a "survivor" as clubs like LWLC, Bitmore and others fade into memory. There are, IMHO, too many clubs, and the environment will become one of consolidation. The growth of clubs in the last ten years apparently has outpaced the number of clients available to serve. Whatever the prior experiences at Breakers, perhaps with a new directorship and with greater player participation, the organization might flourish again. Who knows, but at least they will survive along with a handful of others in the Baltimore area and so at least have the opportunity to examine and reexamine itself with hopes of improving. I am not sure that Team 91MD has a long shelf life, along with Team 42, Green Turtle. Less competition will invariably result in better teams, better organizations, and perhaps multiple teams at grade levels which will permit better coaching of basic skills at the second level.

All clubs that regularly fail to post more than 1 team in the top hoco divisions are not likely to survive or will need to merge to do so.
Rock has merged with Bitmore and Chaos and is still struggling.
Lacrosse is just not as popular as it was and club fees have almost doubled in the past 5 years.
Baltimore is saturated - Greene Turtle, Kooper's, Breakers, LaxWorld, Team 42, Coppermine, and Wolfpack could probably all benefit from some consolidation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Playing Up' to play up an age or grade level from the age or grade level you belong in.

When the boys are playing with kids their own age, it is not playing up. I don't care that they are a school year behind because they are holdbacks or pre-first. Let's not pretend that they aren't older 2022s or the equivalent of on age 2021s because we all know better.

Lets not pretend that birthdates, holdbacks, and pre first kids are your problem. Your problem is that club lacrosse's best teams are full of kids that are pretty good and you feel badly for your son that he is "disadvantaged" bc of age and not bc of the simple fact that life isn't fair. Grow up and do something productive for yourself. If you can't ask for help. There are plenty of people who will help you in the lacrosse world.

My only problem is the false narrative that these boys have been "playing up". The fact is that they will now be playing down. It's ok, a lot of kids play down, but don't pretend that they are world beaters because they played with kids their own age to this point. Surprised that this observation troubles you so much. Get comfortable in your own skin if you want to play the holdback game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers? We know they have some 2021 kids coming down to play 2022 but this team needs a lot of help now they are ranked #2 never seen them play before.

It's not the existing Koopers 2022 team playing in HOCO. It's a combination of the 2021 Koopers kids and other Dukes Nationals players from PA, NJ and NY. They also picked up a kid that left Crabs

It's 5 kids from Koopers 2021 including the leading scorers and goalie. The Philly/nj all stars will fill out the rest of the team.

Basically, it's the core of kids that killed Hawks at Naptown. They may runaway with Hoco this year no matter who BLC/DCE and Hawks add.

So for years the Koopers director dissed holdbacks. Now that he has some he will let them do this? Shame on you Ronny.

Those kids have been playing up since they started. They are 22s on the 21 team. Shame on you anonymous fawn.

Please define the term "playing up"

You just defined it all by yourself. They played up knuckled$ck. They are in the 8th grade for real, no repeated grades by your K-12 old tired public standards, but they played one graduation year ahead for the last several years. So last year they played 8th grade, but they were in 7th grade. Their former teammates went to HS, they went to 8th grade. They are now playing 8th grade again where they belonged all along. How did you need this explained? They payed up, so now they finally aren't playing up. Is that a freakin problem now too. Can't freakin win these days no matter what you do. You people need a new hobby other than trolling kids, dude.

Wow..You are the one who needs to be educated...They never played up..They played with their age group. Good for them. Now that they are in 8th grade they get to play down for their age group. They should do well. Grades are a BS way to form youth teams. Every sport knows that except you private school apologists who want your little Johnny to have an advantage over over young children.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The LWLC 2021 Coach left right before tryouts so I don't think Laxworld has a 2021 team either. He went to Breakers & I think many of the LWLC boys followed him there.

Like getting rescued from the Titanic by the Hindenburg

I view it differently. Breakers will be a "survivor" as clubs like LWLC, Bitmore and others fade into memory. There are, IMHO, too many clubs, and the environment will become one of consolidation. The growth of clubs in the last ten years apparently has outpaced the number of clients available to serve. Whatever the prior experiences at Breakers, perhaps with a new directorship and with greater player participation, the organization might flourish again. Who knows, but at least they will survive along with a handful of others in the Baltimore area and so at least have the opportunity to examine and reexamine itself with hopes of improving. I am not sure that Team 91MD has a long shelf life, along with Team 42, Green Turtle. Less competition will invariably result in better teams, better organizations, and perhaps multiple teams at grade levels which will permit better coaching of basic skills at the second level.

All clubs that regularly fail to post more than 1 team in the top hoco divisions are not likely to survive or will need to merge to do so.
Rock has merged with Bitmore and Chaos and is still struggling.
Lacrosse is just not as popular as it was and club fees have almost doubled in the past 5 years.
Baltimore is saturated - Greene Turtle, Kooper's, Breakers, LaxWorld, Team 42, Coppermine, and Wolfpack could probably all benefit from some consolidation.

Many of these players should be playing rec. Maybe parents are finally realizing that if your child isnt some true older athletic player or you didnt hold your child back he isnt going to be elite level player ... so why pay thousands of dollars to not play against the elite level teams. save yourself thousands of dollars and play against non elite teams. ..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers? We know they have some 2021 kids coming down to play 2022 but this team needs a lot of help now they are ranked #2 never seen them play before.

It's not the existing Koopers 2022 team playing in HOCO. It's a combination of the 2021 Koopers kids and other Dukes Nationals players from PA, NJ and NY. They also picked up a kid that left Crabs

It's 5 kids from Koopers 2021 including the leading scorers and goalie. The Philly/nj all stars will fill out the rest of the team.

Basically, it's the core of kids that killed Hawks at Naptown. They may runaway with Hoco this year no matter who BLC/DCE and Hawks add.

So for years the Koopers director dissed holdbacks. Now that he has some he will let them do this? Shame on you Ronny.

Those kids have been playing up since they started. They are 22s on the 21 team. Shame on you anonymous fawn.

Please define the term "playing up"

You just defined it all by yourself. They played up knuckled$ck. They are in the 8th grade for real, no repeated grades by your K-12 old tired public standards, but they played one graduation year ahead for the last several years. So last year they played 8th grade, but they were in 7th grade. Their former teammates went to HS, they went to 8th grade. They are now playing 8th grade again where they belonged all along. How did you need this explained? They payed up, so now they finally aren't playing up. Is that a freakin problem now too. Can't freakin win these days no matter what you do. You people need a new hobby other than trolling kids, dude.

Wow..You are the one who needs to be educated...They never played up..They played with their age group. Good for them. Now that they are in 8th grade they get to play down for their age group. They should do well. Grades are a BS way to form youth teams. Every sport knows that except you private school apologists who want your little Johnny to have an advantage over over young children.

I see how it works now. Once the truth about how old the kids are is out there, anyone who discusses it is a knucklehead or needs to pay for more private lessons. The easier route would just be to follow the path that these kids' parents took and just have your kid play against younger kids when it counts. It's not breaking any rules, so everyone should just shut up while you preach to the younger kids to work harder. Probably not terrible advice to overcome the advantage of playing against older boys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers? We know they have some 2021 kids coming down to play 2022 but this team needs a lot of help now they are ranked #2 never seen them play before.

It's not the existing Koopers 2022 team playing in HOCO. It's a combination of the 2021 Koopers kids and other Dukes Nationals players from PA, NJ and NY. They also picked up a kid that left Crabs

It's 5 kids from Koopers 2021 including the leading scorers and goalie. The Philly/nj all stars will fill out the rest of the team.

Basically, it's the core of kids that killed Hawks at Naptown. They may runaway with Hoco this year no matter who BLC/DCE and Hawks add.

So for years the Koopers director dissed holdbacks. Now that he has some he will let them do this? Shame on you Ronny.

Do you have proof that these kids are holdbacksthese?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers? We know they have some 2021 kids coming down to play 2022 but this team needs a lot of help now they are ranked #2 never seen them play before.

It's not the existing Koopers 2022 team playing in HOCO. It's a combination of the 2021 Koopers kids and other Dukes Nationals players from PA, NJ and NY. They also picked up a

So for years the Koopers director dissed holdbacks. Now that he has some he will let them do this? Shame on you Ronny.

Those kids have been playing up since they started. They are 22s on the 21 team. Shame on you anonymous fawn.

Please define the term "playing up"

You just defined it all by yourself. They played up knuckled$ck. They are in the 8th grade for real, no repeated grades by your K-12 old tired public standards, but they played one graduation year ahead for the last several years. So last year they played 8th grade, but they were in 7th grade. Their former teammates went to HS, they went to 8th grade. They are now playing 8th grade again where they belonged all along. How did you need this explained? They payed up, so now they finally aren't playing up. Is that a freakin problem now too. Can't freakin win these days no matter what you do. You people need a new hobby other than trolling kids, dude.

Wow..You are the one who needs to be educated...They never played up..They played with their age group. Good for them. Now that they are in 8th grade they get to play down for their age group. They should do well. Grades are a BS way to form youth teams. Every sport knows that except you private school apologists who want your little Johnny to have an advantage over over young children.

No di&kweed. The kids you are talking about literally played up an age and grade level. They were public schools kids playing up a graduation year against older kids. They happen to be really really good, so I guess it is just easier for you to pretend there is something there to capitalize on, but there isn't. What are you getting out of pretending this wasn't the case? You are literally making up a fake situation and arguing about it. I think that means you are a total loser, so that look your wife gives you, yeah, that's the look someone headed down the loser path gets..

Who gives a [lacrosse] about koopers being good. That is great of the league and for tournaments. Koopers being good means crabs suck.
Express means no more BLC. So what teams do we see this year

KOOPERS
HAWKS
EXPRESS
91
RR
MADLAX
CRABS
API

Who else at elite

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers? We know they have some 2021 kids coming down to play 2022 but this team needs a lot of help now they are ranked #2 never seen them play before.

It's not the existing Koopers 2022 team playing in HOCO. It's a combination of the 2021 Koopers kids and other Dukes Nationals players from PA, NJ and NY. They also picked up a

So for years the Koopers director dissed holdbacks. Now that he has some he will let them do this? Shame on you Ronny

Those kids have been playing up since they started. They are 22s on the 21 team. Shame on you anonymous fawn

Please define the term "playing up"

You just defined it all by yourself. They played up knuckled$ck. They are in the 8th grade for real, no repeated grades by your K-12 old tired public standards, but they played one graduation year ahead for the last several years. So last year they played 8th grade, but they were in 7th grade. Their former teammates went to HS, they went to 8th grade. They are now playing 8th grade again where they belonged all along. How did you need this explained? They payed up, so now they finally aren't playing up. Is that a freakin problem now too. Can't freakin win these days no matter what you do. You people need a new hobby other than trolling kids, dude.

Wow..You are the one who needs to be educated...They never played up..They played with their age group. Good for them. Now that they are in 8th grade they get to play down for their age group. They should do well. Grades are a BS way to form youth teams. Every sport knows that except you private school apologists who want your little Johnny to have an advantage over over young children.

No di&kweed. The kids you are talking about literally played up an age and grade level. They were public schools kids playing up a graduation year against older kids. They happen to be really really good, so I guess it is just easier for you to pretend there is something there to capitalize on, but there isn't. What are you getting out of pretending this wasn't the case? You are literally making up a fake situation and arguing about it. I think that means you are a total loser, so that look your wife gives you, yeah, that's the look someone headed down the loser path gets..

I see you have a lot of anger issues ! If they played up a grade and AGE and have now decided to play within their proper grade and age, good for them, that is admirable . That is the way of many players years ago. Play up.. Most tournaments just a few years ago usually saw the better teams playing up an age group. Not now with the epidemic holdback world.

Need to relax ...A simple they are on grade and on age by USL guidelines for 8th grade would have been sufficient to get your point across.

Top 3

RR
Hawks
Koopers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who gives a [lacrosse] about koopers being good. That is great of the league and for tournaments. Koopers being good means crabs suck.
Express means no more BLC. So what teams do we see this year

KOOPERS
HAWKS
EXPRESS
91
RR
MADLAX
CRABS
API

Who else at elite

api will not be in elite

What is this crap about Koopers having kids flock to it? The new "studs" are Dukes kids for the most part. The Dukes kids may not even play as "Koopers" and are playing as Dukes Nationals this spring in HOCO. The owners son is repeating 8th grade at St. Pauls this year, so it's not BS. The only 2 kids that were actually born on or after 9/1/2003 are a certain Hopkins' coaches boys. The rest of the kids that "played up" on Koopers 21 were older. I don't understand why parents think other parents don't know who the older kids are. They go to school together and know each other. I personally don't care about holdbacks, My son competes just fine. But I don't understand why you have to lie about it. It is what it is and it's within the rules currently.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Buggs hasn't coach in a elite league . He drops teams down..

Not sure where you get information from. Buggs has coached several elite teams at the older levels and has had success . He is also heavily involved in the lax community and has been with Warrior from the very beginning. API will not drop down. He is highly qualified to coach that team. As far as the sideline losers its just unfortunate the rest of us will have to put up with it for another year. Hopefully they will let this coach teach their kids something and embarrass themselves or kids like every other year.

Have another cup of API cool-aid.
Buggs is a complete joke of a coach a bad example for teenage boys. He acts like a child often himself.
Once showed up to coach his team halfway through the game when he showed up late after a night of drinking.
Maybe if he can separate his personal life from his work life he can strive to be something more than a glorified figurehead.

For those of us not "in the know", when did Buggs Combs show up late to a game and how do you know it was due to his drinking and staying out late at night? Was this a recent occurrence or are you simply digging up his past for your own purposes? By the way, were you or your family ever affiliated with API? I am not, but wonder what motivates people on this forum to being so viciously mean-spirited.

I remember this. Several years ago. Beach Lax. Parents had to step in and coach until he and Asst. Coach showed up. Hopefully he has matured since then.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is this crap about Koopers having kids flock to it? The new "studs" are Dukes kids for the most part. The Dukes kids may not even play as "Koopers" and are playing as Dukes Nationals this spring in HOCO. The owners son is repeating 8th grade at St. Pauls this year, so it's not BS. The only 2 kids that were actually born on or after 9/1/2003 are a certain Hopkins' coaches boys. The rest of the kids that "played up" on Koopers 21 were older. I don't understand why parents think other parents don't know who the older kids are. They go to school together and know each other. I personally don't care about holdbacks, My son competes just fine. But I don't understand why you have to lie about it. It is what it is and it's within the rules currently.

Wait, you just acknowledged the other person's points, then seemingly kept arguing anyway. So there were some players that played up for several years (kind of weak that you had to call them out personally, since they are minors, very inappropriate), and now they are just where they should be by age and grade. Then, in calling out another minor, you forgot to mention the fact that he did not play down at 22, rather stayed where he would have been had he not held back at school at 21, I guess just a minor detail fact that got in your way. It is not your business what minors do in school, he didn't sign up to play down at club lax, so another weak call out of a minor personally. And yes, that tryout was ridiculous, picked up some real beasts that want to play with some of the kids that you called out now that they at 22 level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top 3

RR
Hawks
Koopers

1 Koopers/Dukes/philly boys
2 Hawks
3 D.C. Express
4 91MD/TX
5 RR
6 Madlax

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top 3

RR
Hawks
Koopers

1 Koopers/Dukes/philly boys
2 Hawks
3 D.C. Express
4 91MD/TX
5 RR
6 Madlax

1. Hawks
2. DC Express
3. RR
4. Dukes (without any MD kids)
5. FCA
6. Madlax
7. 91 MD (with TX and Carolina kids)
8. Crabs
9. API
10. Next Level

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top 3

RR
Hawks
Koopers

1 Koopers/Dukes/philly boys
2 Hawks
3 D.C. Express
4 91MD/TX
5 RR
6 Madlax

91 lost half their team. Not sure why anyone expects them to stay at the top of the list.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top 3

RR
Hawks
Koopers

1 Koopers/Dukes/philly boys
2 Hawks
3 D.C. Express
4 91MD/TX
5 RR
6 Madlax

1 D.C. Express
2 Hawks
3 Koopers/Dukes/philly boys
4 RR
5 91MD/TX
6 Madlax

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Buggs hasn't coach in a elite league . He drops teams down..

Not sure where you get information from. Buggs has coached several elite teams at the older levels and has had success . He is also heavily involved in the lax community and has been with Warrior from the very beginning. API will not drop down. He is highly qualified to coach that team. As far as the sideline losers its just unfortunate the rest of us will have to put up with it for another year. Hopefully they will let this coach teach their kids something and embarrass themselves or kids like every other year.

Have another cup of API cool-aid.
Buggs is a complete joke of a coach a bad example for teenage boys. He acts like a child often himself.
Once showed up to coach his team halfway through the game when he showed up late after a night of drinking.
Maybe if he can separate his personal life from his work life he can strive to be something more than a glorified figurehead.

For those of us not "in the know", when did Buggs Combs show up late to a game and how do you know it was due to his drinking and staying out late at night? Was this a recent occurrence or are you simply digging up his past for your own purposes? By the way, were you or your family ever affiliated with API? I am not, but wonder what motivates people on this forum to being so viciously mean-spirited.

I remember this. Several years ago. Beach Lax. Parents had to step in and coach until he and Asst. Coach showed up. Hopefully he has matured since then.

Thanks for responding in part to my questions. So SEVERAL YEARS AGO! I suppose, the cynical and sarcastic crowd of this board disallows a human being to perhaps "learn from their mistakes" and become a better man, coach, human being and mentor. I suppose in the narrow world of this board, once you have made a mistake, that mistake is uncorrectable and disqualifies you forever from coaching again, maturing, or finding a better path. I am not suggesting that we excuse habitually bad conduct as it is our kids that we would be placing at risk. My point was, and remains, that it is my opinion that we ought not take potshots at anyone based upon a singular/random instance that in the long term will have no impact on anyone other than the individual involved and his standing in the organization. Apparently API has survived/endured despite the episode mentioned. From what I have observed, the API 2022 kids remained intact, and flourished to a point (WSYL qualifier and semi-finalist) that most of us would like to have had our sons a part of. Please, whatever organization you are a part of, make it better through positive contributions to it. Don't believe you are making it better by tearing down your neighbors, members of the community, and friends of your kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers? We know they have some 2021 kids coming down to play 2022 but this team needs a lot of help now they are ranked #2 never seen them play before.

It's not the existing Koopers 2022 team playing in HOCO. It's a combination of the 2021 Koopers kids and other Dukes Nationals players from PA, NJ and NY. They also picked up a kid that left Crabs

It's 5 kids from Koopers 2021 including the leading scorers and goalie. The Philly/nj all stars will fill out the rest of the team.

Basically, it's the core of kids that killed Hawks at Naptown. They may runaway with Hoco this year no matter who BLC/DCE and Hawks add.

So for years the Koopers director dissed holdbacks. Now that he has some he will let them do this? Shame on you Ronny.

Actually, they had a handful of kids playing up for several years, and now that 21's are going into HS, the true 22's stayed with their actual grade. Not holdbacks at all, on-age, compadre. NOW, that being said, a bunch of holdbacks from other clubs flocked to that 22 tryout because they wanted to be with that on-age talent, so best kids on-grade make the team. Why shouldn't Koopers benefit? Their older teams did it straight up for several years and are competitive over .500 AA teams now, so screw you if some holdbacks finally show up in the 8th grade. That club paid their dues, no f'ing way they take sh@t for landing a couple 8th grade horses. F that, brother, F that, bs called on your weak-azz cheap shot.

3 of the 5 Koopers kids now playing as 2022s are reclassed 2021s (born before 9/1/2003). Only 2 were truly playing up.

According to the Kooper's website, all 5 of those kids are listed on the roster of the 2021 Black team. They are accordingly NOT listed as members of the 2022 team. Based on HOCO rules, "players may only play for one team in this conference". Failure to abide by this rule results in any team that player plays for disqualified in all games. A kid has to be on the conference roster at the beginning of the season. I am not seeing how any of the Kooper's kids get to play on 2021, 2022 Kooper's or Dukes Nationals 2022. The listed Kooper's 2022 team is good and should be competitive in the "AA" segment of HOCO. Without some or all of the 5 2021 players they are not an elite team. Of course, they can bring in kids from other states like 91 MD and Crabs I believe intend to do, but that is a whole different discussion.

@ Koopers Stalker Above...

Gosh you are thick-skulled and angry. There is no spring league for the 21s. That is why the younger Koopers kids are playing on a team this spring at 22!! Man Oh Man... let the kids be...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

@ Koopers Stalker Above...

Gosh you are thick-skulled and angry. There is no spring league for the 21s. That is why the younger Koopers kids are playing on a team this spring at 22!! Man Oh Man... let the kids be...

Stand corrected. My bad. So, there will be about 30 Kooper's kids on the 2022 roster and standing on the sidelines at HOCO games. Just trying to prepare myself to look at 20 or so kids standing on the sidelines during a game.

Next level or club blue

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Buggs hasn't coach in a elite league . He drops teams down..

Not sure where you get information from. Buggs has coached several elite teams at the older levels and has had success . He is also heavily involved in the lax community and has been with Warrior from the very beginning. API will not drop down. He is highly qualified to coach that team. As far as the sideline losers its just unfortunate the rest of us will have to put up with it for another year. Hopefully they will let this coach teach their kids something and embarrass themselves or kids like every other year.

Have another cup of API cool-aid.
Buggs is a complete joke of a coach a bad example for teenage boys. He acts like a child often himself.
Once showed up to coach his team halfway through the game when he showed up late after a night of drinking.
Maybe if he can separate his personal life from his work life he can strive to be something more than a glorified figurehead.

For those of us not "in the know", when did Buggs Combs show up late to a game and how do you know it was due to his drinking and staying out late at night? Was this a recent occurrence or are you simply digging up his past for your own purposes? By the way, were you or your family ever affiliated with API? I am not, but wonder what motivates people on this forum to being so viciously mean-spirited.

I remember this. Several years ago. Beach Lax. Parents had to step in and coach until he and Asst. Coach showed up. Hopefully he has matured since then.

Several years ago? The man runs API LACROSSE !

Evergreen 2022 Elite is going to make a major splash and surprise everyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Buggs hasn't coach in a elite league . He drops teams down..

Not sure where you get information from. Buggs has coached several elite teams at the older levels and has had success . He is also heavily involved in the lax community and has been with Warrior from the very beginning. API will not drop down. He is highly qualified to coach that team. As far as the sideline losers its just unfortunate the rest of us will have to put up with it for another year. Hopefully they will let this coach teach their kids something and embarrass themselves or kids like every other year.

Have another cup of API cool-aid.
Buggs is a complete joke of a coach a bad example for teenage boys. He acts like a child often himself.
Once showed up to coach his team halfway through the game when he showed up late after a night of drinking.
Maybe if he can separate his personal life from his work life he can strive to be something more than a glorified figurehead.

For those of us not "in the know", when did Buggs Combs show up late to a game and how do you know it was due to his drinking and staying out late at night? Was this a recent occurrence or are you simply digging up his past for your own purposes? By the way, were you or your family ever affiliated with API? I am not, but wonder what motivates people on this forum to being so viciously mean-spirited.

I remember this. Several years ago. Beach Lax. Parents had to step in and coach until he and Asst. Coach showed up. Hopefully he has matured since then.

Several years ago? The man runs API LACROSSE !

Your point being?

1 Hawks 1st last year
2 DC Express/ BLC. 2nd last year
3 RR 3rd last year
4 Koopers/Dukes
5 Crabs
6 Mad lax
7 91Md/TX
8 FCA
9 API
10 everyone else

All teams need to play each other this year . League needs to make this happen. Even if it means a week night game plus weekend game. Hard to see any team running the table. Head to head will matter come playoff seeding.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]@ Koopers Stalker Above...

Gosh you are thick-skulled and angry. There is no spring league for the 21s. That is why the younger Koopers kids are playing on a team this spring at 22!! Man Oh Man... let the kids be...

Stand corrected. My bad. So, there will be about 30 Kooper's kids on the 2022 roster and standing on the sidelines at HOCO games. Just trying to prepare myself to look at 20 or so kids standing on the sidelines during a game.[/quote

You are preparing yourself in September for a Koopers personnel matter for Spring, and that has nothing to do with you. Awesome use of your time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen 2022 Elite is going to make a major splash and surprise everyone.

The Evergreen troll is worse than the Dukes troll.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen 2022 Elite is going to make a major splash and surprise everyone.

Haha...that's hysterical. Evergreen will be lucky to compete in the AA/A division. Huge difference between the competition and talent in elite vs. AA/A divisions

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 Hawks 1st last year
2 DC Express/ BLC. 2nd last year
3 RR 3rd last year
4 Koopers/Dukes
5 Crabs
6 Mad lax
7 91Md/TX
8 FCA

9 API
10 everyone else

All teams need to play each other this year . League needs to make this happen. Even if it means a week night game plus weekend game. Hard to see any team running the table. Head to head will matter come playoff seeding.

You are way too invested in this. Save all the games during the week for next year in high school when the games actually matter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 Hawks 1st last year
2 DC Express/ BLC. 2nd last year
3 RR 3rd last year
4 Koopers/Dukes
5 Crabs
6 Mad lax
7 91Md/TX
8 FCA

9 API
10 everyone else

All teams need to play each other this year . League needs to make this happen. Even if it means a week night game plus weekend game. Hard to see any team running the table. Head to head will matter come playoff seeding.

You are way too invested in this. Save all the games during the week for next year in high school when the games actually matter.

AMEN.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 Hawks 1st last year
2 DC Express/ BLC. 2nd last year
3 RR 3rd last year
4 Koopers/Dukes
5 Crabs
6 Mad lax
7 91Md/TX
8 FCA

9 API
10 everyone else

All teams need to play each other this year . League needs to make this happen. Even if it means a week night game plus weekend game. Hard to see any team running the table. Head to head will matter come playoff seeding.

You are way too invested in this. Save all the games during the week for next year in high school when the games actually matter.

AMEN.

Completely agree with original post. Too invested? Yes ,when the season comes Everyone on this site will be heavily invested. Fall tournaments, fuel , practices, hotels,winter indoor, fuel,practices,play days, scrimmages etc.
To get snubbed come playoff time to a team you never even played will be a bit disappointing to all that are too invested.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 Hawks 1st last year
2 DC Express/ BLC. 2nd last year
3 RR 3rd last year
4 Koopers/Dukes
5 Crabs
6 Mad lax
7 91Md/TX
8 FCA

9 API
10 everyone else

All teams need to play each other this year . League needs to make this happen. Even if it means a week night game plus weekend game. Hard to see any team running the table. Head to head will matter come playoff seeding.

You are way too invested in this. Save all the games during the week for next year in high school when the games actually matter.

AMEN.

High games are a joke. Save it for college when they really matter.

I agree that all the teams need to play each other. Not only for the playoffs but with this league being one of the best in the country it gets you more games at the highest level. Then your team does not have to chance tournaments all summer. It would like to play every team twice and then reduce to 3 tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 Hawks 1st last year
2 DC Express/ BLC. 2nd last year
3 RR 3rd last year
4 Koopers/Dukes
5 Crabs
6 Mad lax
7 91Md/TX
8 FCA

9 API
10 everyone else

All teams need to play each other this year . League needs to make this happen. Even if it means a week night game plus weekend game. Hard to see any team running the table. Head to head will matter come playoff seeding.

You are way too invested in this. Save all the games during the week for next year in high school when the games actually matter.

AMEN.

High games are a joke. Save it for college when they really matter.

Are theses rankings based on the spring and summer results from this past season?

Half these kids on the Elite teams won't even get much playing time especially if your new to the team.It's better drop down a level and get alot of time playing before you go to high school . Field time is more important then what team your on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1 Hawks 1st last year
2 DC Express/ BLC. 2nd last year
3 RR 3rd last year
4 Koopers/Dukes
5 Crabs
6 Mad lax
7 91Md/TX
8 FCA

9 API
10 everyone else

All teams need to play each other this year . League needs to make this happen. Even if it means a week night game plus weekend game. Hard to see any team running the table. Head to head will matter come playoff seeding.

You are way too invested in this. Save all the games during the week for next year in high school when the games actually matter.

AMEN.

High games are a joke. Save it for college when they really matter.

Are theses rankings based on the spring and summer results from this past season?

They aren't based on anything but some dopes opinion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The BW owner prefers raping 14 yr. girls and then threatening to kill them. If you don't believe me, read it yourself: http://www.gazette.net/gazette_archive/2001/200118/princegeorgescty/county/53670-1.html.

Can anyone confirm that the Blackwolf owner is this same guy in this article? 26 years old with a 15 year old girl at a school. And people really want to talk about the Madlax owner yelling at kids and mean emails? I guess you all do not care because you have boys?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The BW owner prefers raping 14 yr. girls and then threatening to kill them. If you don't believe me, read it yourself: http://www.gazette.net/gazette_archive/2001/200118/princegeorgescty/county/53670-1.html.

Can anyone confirm that the Blackwolf owner is this same guy in this article? 26 years old with a 15 year old girl at a school. And people really want to talk about the Madlax owner yelling at kids and mean emails? I guess you all do not care because you have boys?

So you want someone to confirm that you are calling the right guy a rapist? If it is the same guy, he is 1A and the MadLax guy is 1B on the dirt bag totem pole. Actually, MadLax guy shares 1B with Millon. See, we care.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The BW owner prefers raping 14 yr. girls and then threatening to kill them. If you don't believe me, read it yourself: http://www.gazette.net/gazette_archive/2001/200118/princegeorgescty/county/53670-1.html.

Can anyone confirm that the Blackwolf owner is this same guy in this article? 26 years old with a 15 year old girl at a school. And people really want to talk about the Madlax owner yelling at kids and mean emails? I guess you all do not care because you have boys?

That's an old story and well known. Why are you posting this on every forum?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The BW owner prefers raping 14 yr. girls and then threatening to kill them. If you don't believe me, read it yourself:

Can anyone confirm that the Blackwolf owner is this same guy in this article? 26 years old with a 15 year old girl at a school. And people really want to talk about the Madlax owner yelling at kids and mean emails? I guess you all do not care because you have boys?

That's an old story and well known. Why are you posting this on every forum?

Well its a new story to me and I find it 10000% nuts that a guy with this on his record can have a team or every coach at a high school. He was 26 years old not 18 and one day. This keeps you out of working for the Gov. how the He!! can he work around anyones kids ever. The system is broken so I think it should me posted over and over again tell he is no longer working with anyone child.!

Rumor has it Evergreen 2022 will beat Madlax 2022 this year and be competitive with DC Express and Hawks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it Evergreen 2022 will beat Madlax 2022 this year and be competitive with DC Express and Hawks

How does half a 3d team (and not the top half) + 2nd/3rd string Cavs players joining up at Evergreen make a great team? Last couple years, 3d 2022 and Cavs 2022 could not keep up with any of those programs - so the math does not add up. Any of those clubs will beat Evergreen by 6-8 goals on a bad day, even with Dylan M helping, heck, throw in Rambo and still no difference. But all moot because Evergreen won't be in the Elite division. Evergreen is the club kids settle for when they can't make an elite team and/or for when Loudoun parents don't want to drive past Leesburg for practices.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does half a 3d team (and not the top half) + 2nd/3rd string Cavs players joining up at Evergreen make a great team? Last couple years, 3d 2022 and Cavs 2022 could not keep up with any of those programs - so the math does not add up. Any of those clubs will beat Evergreen by 6-8 goals on a bad day, even with Dylan M helping, heck, throw in Rambo and still no difference. But all moot because Evergreen won't be in the Elite division. Evergreen is the club kids settle for when they can't make an elite team and/or for when Loudoun parents don't want to drive past Leesburg for practices.

Dude you are a schmuck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it Evergreen 2022 will beat Madlax 2022 this year and be competitive with DC Express and Hawks

****WARNING, WARNING - DO NOT FEED TROLL'S - WARNING, WARNING****

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it Evergreen 2022 will beat Madlax 2022 this year and be competitive with DC Express and Hawks

How does half a 3d team (and not the top half) + 2nd/3rd string Cavs players joining up at Evergreen make a great team? Last couple years, 3d 2022 and Cavs 2022 could not keep up with any of those programs - so the math does not add up. Any of those clubs will beat Evergreen by 6-8 goals on a bad day, even with Dylan M helping, heck, throw in Rambo and still no difference. But all moot because Evergreen won't be in the Elite division. Evergreen is the club kids settle for when they can't make an elite team and/or for when Loudoun parents don't want to drive past Leesburg for practices.

I do not think that Evergreen should have to drive to HOCO to prove they are the best. If DCE and Hawks want to prove they are top teams they need to drive to Leesburg. Evergreen has the best facility in mid-Atlantic

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it Evergreen 2022 will beat Madlax 2022 this year and be competitive with DC Express and Hawks

How does half a 3d team (and not the top half) + 2nd/3rd string Cavs players joining up at Evergreen make a great team? Last couple years, 3d 2022 and Cavs 2022 could not keep up with any of those programs - so the math does not add up. Any of those clubs will beat Evergreen by 6-8 goals on a bad day, even with Dylan M helping, heck, throw in Rambo and still no difference. But all moot because Evergreen won't be in the Elite division. Evergreen is the club kids settle for when they can't make an elite team and/or for when Loudoun parents don't want to drive past Leesburg for practices.

I do not think that Evergreen should have to drive to HOCO to prove they are the best. If DCE and Hawks want to prove they are top teams they need to drive to Leesburg. Evergreen has the best facility in mid-Atlantic

Both Coaches from Hawks and BLC/DCE are known to play any one any where . Set it up ! Both Clubs do play days all the time and will play any Elite team any where.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it Evergreen 2022 will beat Madlax 2022 this year and be competitive with DC Express and Hawks

How does half a 3d team (and not the top half) + 2nd/3rd string Cavs players joining up at Evergreen make a great team? Last couple years, 3d 2022 and Cavs 2022 could not keep up with any of those programs - so the math does not add up. Any of those clubs will beat Evergreen by 6-8 goals on a bad day, even with Dylan M helping, heck, throw in Rambo and still no difference. But all moot because Evergreen won't be in the Elite division. Evergreen is the club kids settle for when they can't make an elite team and/or for when Loudoun parents don't want to drive past Leesburg for practices.

I do not think that Evergreen should have to drive to HOCO to prove they are the best. If DCE and Hawks want to prove they are top teams they need to drive to Leesburg. Evergreen has the best facility in mid-Atlantic

You're a tool. They have turf like everybody else...big whoop. The Everturd shills and daddy's are out in force today!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does half a 3d team (and not the top half) + 2nd/3rd string Cavs players joining up at Evergreen make a great team? Last couple years, 3d 2022 and Cavs 2022 could not keep up with any of those programs - so the math does not add up. Any of those clubs will beat Evergreen by 6-8 goals on a bad day, even with Dylan M helping, heck, throw in Rambo and still no difference. But all moot because Evergreen won't be in the Elite division. Evergreen is the club kids settle for when they can't make an elite team and/or for when Loudoun parents don't want to drive past Leesburg for practices.

Dude you are a schmuck.

Why, because he doesn't agree with you and the other Evergreen shill's on here who are propping up a rec level travel team as "Elite"?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it Evergreen 2022 will beat Madlax 2022 this year and be competitive with DC Express and Hawks

How does half a 3d team (and not the top half) + 2nd/3rd string Cavs players joining up at Evergreen make a great team? Last couple years, 3d 2022 and Cavs 2022 could not keep up with any of those programs - so the math does not add up. Any of those clubs will beat Evergreen by 6-8 goals on a bad day, even with Dylan M helping, heck, throw in Rambo and still no difference. But all moot because Evergreen won't be in the Elite division. Evergreen is the club kids settle for when they can't make an elite team and/or for when Loudoun parents don't want to drive past Leesburg for practices.

I do not think that Evergreen should have to drive to HOCO to prove they are the best. If DCE and Hawks want to prove they are top teams they need to drive to Leesburg. Evergreen has the best facility in mid-Atlantic

I thought Evergreen was going to play HOCO in all age groups or at least that's what the website says. Bet you the combined win total for Evergreen 2024-2022 in HOCO will be 5 or less. But to be positive, does seem like Evergreen is trying hard and has good resources and fields, just takes awhile to crawl out of the bottom.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does half a 3d team (and not the top half) + 2nd/3rd string Cavs players joining up at Evergreen make a great team? Last couple years, 3d 2022 and Cavs 2022 could not keep up with any of those programs - so the math does not add up. Any of those clubs will beat Evergreen by 6-8 goals on a bad day, even with Dylan M helping, heck, throw in Rambo and still no difference. But all moot because Evergreen won't be in the Elite division. Evergreen is the club kids settle for when they can't make an elite team and/or for when Loudoun parents don't want to drive past Leesburg for practices.

Dude you are a schmuck.

Why, because he doesn't agree with you and the other Evergreen shill's on here who are propping up a rec level travel team as "Elite"?

Not exactly a convincing retort on the 3d/Cavs question. By the way, any facts on why 3d imploded? Seems like 2022 had the biggest exodus but you also had a bunch of 2021 and 2023 3d kids leave. I know Steven Brooks left and some say Ford is a D-bag (no first hand knowledge on that point) but that alone can't be it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The BW owner prefers raping 14 yr. girls and then threatening to kill them. If you don't believe me, read it yourself:

Can anyone confirm that the Blackwolf owner is this same guy in this article? 26 years old with a 15 year old girl at a school. And people really want to talk about the Madlax owner yelling at kids and mean emails? I guess you all do not care because you have boys?

That's an old story and well known. Why are you posting this on every forum?

Well its a new story to me and I find it 10000% nuts that a guy with this on his record can have a team or every coach at a high school. He was 26 years old not 18 and one day. This keeps you out of working for the Gov. how the He!! can he work around anyones kids ever. The system is broken so I think it should me posted over and over again tell he is no longer working with anyone child.!

Let's be honest. This is not a new story to you. It obviously bothers you which is why you post it periodically (and multiple times in the last 24 hours).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not exactly a convincing retort on the 3d/Cavs question. By the way, any facts on why 3d imploded? Seems like 2022 had the biggest exodus but you also had a bunch of 2021 and 2023 3d kids leave. I know Steven Brooks left and some say Ford is a D-bag (no first hand knowledge on that point) but that alone can't be it.

The rise of Evergreen and Club Blue coming to VA are big factors

Rise of Evergreen. LOL.

Can anyone confirm that the BW owner is this same guy in this article? 26 years old with a 15 year old girl at a school. And people really want to talk about the Madlax owner yelling at kids and mean emails? I guess you all do not care because you have boys?[/quote]

That's an old story and well known. Why are you posting this on every forum?[/quote]
Well its a new story to me and I find it 10000% nuts that a guy with this on his record can have a team or every coach at a high school. He was 26 years old not 18 and one day. This keeps you out of working for the Gov. how the He!! can he work around anyones kids ever. The system is broken so I think it should me posted over and over again tell he is no longer working with anyone child.!
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Let's be honest. This is not a new story to you. It obviously bothers you which is why you post it periodically (and multiple times in the last 24 hours).
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Ok..To the rest of us..Is this True or some character assassination by someone that doesnt like him?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The BW owner prefers raping 14 yr. girls and then threatening to kill them. If you don't believe me, read it yourself:

Can anyone confirm that the Blackwolf owner is this same guy in this article? 26 years old with a 15 year old girl at a school. And people really want to talk about the Madlax owner yelling at kids and mean emails? I guess you all do not care because you have boys?

That's an old story and well known. Why are you posting this on every forum?

Well its a new story to me and I find it 10000% nuts that a guy with this on his record can have a team or every coach at a high school. He was 26 years old not 18 and one day. This keeps you out of working for the Gov. how the He!! can he work around anyones kids ever. The system is broken so I think it should me posted over and over again tell he is no longer working with anyone child.!

Let's be honest. This is not a new story to you. It obviously bothers you which is why you post it periodically (and multiple times in the last 24 hours).

This is new to me. Another guy posted the link and I read the link. Then you are correct I pushed it out to the other pages. I am in shock that if this is true we all let him get to where he is. I have no shame saying it bothers me and my real question is how the he!! does this not bother YOU!!

We need to stay on point here. The owner of BW has not affiliation with Evergreen therefore it does not need to be discussed on this board.

Aren't Evergeen and Black Wolf merging?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not exactly a convincing retort on the 3d/Cavs question. By the way, any facts on why 3d imploded? Seems like 2022 had the biggest exodus but you also had a bunch of 2021 and 2023 3d kids leave. I know Steven Brooks left and some say Ford is a D-bag (no first hand knowledge on that point) but that alone can't be it.

The rise of Evergreen and Club Blue coming to VA are big factors

Steven Brooks is now running a clinic at Evergreen. They did not take any 2023 kids from 3D just 2022

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The BW owner prefers raping 14 yr. girls and then threatening to kill them. If you don't believe me, read it yourself:

Can anyone confirm that the Blackwolf owner is this same guy in this article? 26 years old with a 15 year old girl at a school. And people really want to talk about the Madlax owner yelling at kids and mean emails? I guess you all do not care because you have boys?

That's an old story and well known. Why are you posting this on every forum?

Well its a new story to me and I find it 10000% nuts that a guy with this on his record can have a team or every coach at a high school. He was 26 years old not 18 and one day. This keeps you out of working for the Gov. how the He!! can he work around anyones kids ever. The system is broken so I think it should me posted over and over again tell he is no longer working with anyone child.!

Let's be honest. This is not a new story to you. It obviously bothers you which is why you post it periodically (and multiple times in the last 24 hours).

This is new to me. Another guy posted the link and I read the link. Then you are correct I pushed it out to the other pages. I am in shock that if this is true we all let him get to where he is. I have no shame saying it bothers me and my real question is how the he!! does this not bother YOU!!

Its easy. Pick another club. Move on. Next.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The BW owner prefers raping 14 yr. girls and then threatening to kill them. If you don't believe me, read it yourself:

Can anyone confirm that the Blackwolf owner is this same guy in this article? 26 years old with a 15 year old girl at a school. And people really want to talk about the Madlax owner yelling at kids and mean emails? I guess you all do not care because you have boys?

That's an old story and well known. Why are you posting this on every forum?

Well its a new story to me and I find it 10000% nuts that a guy with this on his record can have a team or every coach at a high school. He was 26 years old not 18 and one day. This keeps you out of working for the Gov. how the He!! can he work around anyones kids ever. The system is broken so I think it should me posted over and over again tell he is no longer working with anyone child.!

Let's be honest. This is not a new story to you. It obviously bothers you which is why you post it periodically (and multiple times in the last 24 hours).

This is new to me. Another guy posted the link and I read the link. Then you are correct I pushed it out to the other pages. I am in shock that if this is true we all let him get to where he is. I have no shame saying it bothers me and my real question is how the he!! does this not bother YOU!!

Its easy. Pick another club. Move on. Next.

Doesn't bother me either. Would I let my son play for that guy if he was good enough? No. Am I going to raise a fuss if others do? No.
Half the coaches in Club and Rec probably have skeletons that are better left hidden, though I will admit this is about as big and bad a skeleton as can be imagined.

I know who you are and you are crazy.

Evergreen? Another 2nd tier club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen? Another 2nd tier club.

2nd tier is generous. What tournaments have they been in? How long have they even existed?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know who you are and you are crazy.

This is fun. Give me more details about me lets see if you are correct?

Evergreen should be vastly improved. Call them 2022 3D if you want. New coach and half of 3D will make a huge difference.

Nobody cares, Evergreen dad. The club and all its teams suck. Just because they are coached by a great player and recent grad doesn't make up for the weak talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody cares, Evergreen dad. The club and all its teams suck. Just because they are coached by a great player and recent grad doesn't make up for the weak talent.

I guess it depends on the definition of "vastly improved". If you are the Cleveland Browns and go from 0-16 to 3-13, that's "vastly improved". Evergreen is not even the best club in Leesburg [Cavs]. Evergreen is definitely trending up but still has a long way to go. If you want to say 2022 will be Evergreen's best MS team, fine but that is not saying much if what I am hearing about 2023 and 2024 is correct.

Understand that HoCo is considering going to a Super Elite bracket that will have only the very top top 2022 teams. Hawks, DCExpress, Dukes, RR, T91 and Evergreen are sure bets.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Understand that HoCo is considering going to a Super Elite bracket that will have only the very top top 2022 teams. Hawks, DCExpress, Dukes, RR, T91 and Evergreen are sure bets.

API not in the mix?

OK understand some but not other. I have never heard of Evergreen? RR over Crabs or FCA? Did not know RR was good

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK understand some but not other. I have never heard of Evergreen? RR over Crabs or FCA? Did not know RR was good

You don't know the 22's very well then.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK understand some but not other. I have never heard of Evergreen? RR over Crabs or FCA? Did not know RR was good

Evergreen is the DC Express of VA - from unknown club to national contenders

evergreen will be good but not better than madlax or a lot of other clubs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Understand that HoCo is considering going to a Super Elite bracket that will have only the very top top 2022 teams. Hawks, DCExpress, Dukes, RR, T91 and Evergreen are sure bets.

Evergreen will be the favorite in this bracket

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK understand some but not other. I have never heard of Evergreen? RR over Crabs or FCA? Did not know RR was good

You don't know the 22's very well then.

RR easily top 5 team if not top 3

Evergreen has to actually play someone good before you can boost that they will be at the top of an already stacked Elite group of teams. Fall Ball is a great way to prove all the smack talk.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Understand that HoCo is considering going to a Super Elite bracket that will have only the very top top 2022 teams. Hawks, DCExpress, Dukes, RR, T91 and Evergreen are sure bets.

Evergreen will be the favorite in this bracket

Evergreen and DC Express has to prove themselves before beating their chests.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Understand that HoCo is considering going to a Super Elite bracket that will have only the very top top 2022 teams. Hawks, DCExpress, Dukes, RR, T91 and Evergreen are sure bets.

Evergreen will be the favorite in this bracket

This guy is one of the more persistent and humorous trolls on here. He doesn't even take himself seriously, so don't sweat it. Good bet the HoCo competition committee won't even let Evergreen in the elite division. D.C. Express is Bethesda, so yes they will be good, as will Hawks, RR, 91, Crabs, and FCA. We'll see about API and Koopers and/or Dukes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen has to actually play someone good before you can boost that they will be at the top of an already stacked Elite group of teams. Fall Ball is a great way to prove all the smack talk.

I would not even draw conclusions in the fall. Rather, let's give it a year and assess the results. Lots of turnover it seems on most teams. Whether the newbies meld with the holdovers from the prior years team, will be a test of coaching and the willingness of kids to be coachable. I'm excited for everyone, and hope that everyone is competitive. I don't like 6-0 teams nor 0-6 teams. I like it when you go to a 2022 game and see these kids really emerging into "real" lacrosse players with skills, IQ and drive to convince observers that they will be the next generation of kids to watch in the upcoming high school years.

Evergreen 2022 will not even beat the other 2022 team in Leesburg. Cavs 2022 would win by at least 3 goals. Until you can be Best In Leesburg, probably better to remain silent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen 2022 will not even beat the other 2022 team in Leesburg. Cavs 2022 would win by at least 3 goals. Until you can be Best In Leesburg, probably better to remain silent.

Please start a Virginia page bc these posts are terrible. Leesburg lacrosse is as interesting to a Marylander as Guatemalan Ice Hockey is to a Canadian

All these new teams popping up Evergreen,Cavs Leesburg etc. the B team division in HOCo looks solid API will have their hands full come spring time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

OK understand some but not other. I have never heard of Evergreen? RR over Crabs or FCA? Did not know RR was good

You don't know the 22's very well then.

RR easily top 5 team if not top 3

Rr 2022 coaches by Bayhawks coach Brian Reese and ESPN announcer Mark Dixon. Team is solid. Possibly the last team with only local kids to beat Hawks.

On March 12, 2017, API beat 3D MidAtlantic by 10 goals at MD Soccerplex (13-3). 3D did not win a game that day. So, half this 3D team (not the top half) combines with 2nd/3rd string Cavs players at Evergreen and you now have a powerhouse????? Good luck in not finishing last in the B division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Understand that HoCo is considering going to a Super Elite bracket that will have only the very top top 2022 teams. Hawks, DCExpress, Dukes, RR, T91 and Evergreen are sure bets.

API not in the mix?

Hawks grabbed best players from API this year. No chance of making any noise.

Hawks have had the best kids from 2015 npyll champion cannons for 2 years and now they have the best kids from the 2015 hoco Champs Diamondbacks.

Hawks know how to recruit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Buggs hasn't coach in a elite league . He drops teams down..

Not sure where you get information from. Buggs has coached several elite teams at the older levels and has had success . He is also heavily involved in the lax community and has been with Warrior from the very beginning. API will not drop down. He is highly qualified to coach that team. As far as the sideline losers its just unfortunate the rest of us will have to put up with it for another year. Hopefully they will let this coach teach their kids something and embarrass themselves or kids like every other year.

Have another cup of API cool-aid.
Buggs is a complete joke of a coach a bad example for teenage boys. He acts like a child often himself.
Once showed up to coach his team halfway through the game when he showed up late after a night of drinking.
Maybe if he can separate his personal life from his work life he can strive to be something more than a glorified figurehead.

For those of us not "in the know", when did Buggs Combs show up late to a game and how do you know it was due to his drinking and staying out late at night? Was this a recent occurrence or are you simply digging up his past for your own purposes? By the way, were you or your family ever affiliated with API? I am not, but wonder what motivates people on this forum to being so viciously mean-spirited.

I remember this. Several years ago. Beach Lax. Parents had to step in and coach until he and Asst. Coach showed up. Hopefully he has matured since then.

Hammel is showing up as the 2025 coach so it looks like it is all Buggs team now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Understand that HoCo is considering going to a Super Elite bracket that will have only the very top top 2022 teams. Hawks, DCExpress, Dukes, RR, T91 and Evergreen are sure bets.

API not in the mix?

Hawks grabbed best players from API this year. No chance of making any noise.

Hawks have had the best kids from 2015 npyll champion cannons for 2 years and now they have the best kids from the 2015 hoco Champs Diamondbacks.

Hawks know how to recruit.

Thanks, Fogo Dad!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Understand that HoCo is considering going to a Super Elite bracket that will have only the very top top 2022 teams. Hawks, DCExpress, Dukes, RR, T91 and Evergreen are sure bets.

API not in the mix?

Hawks grabbed best players from API this year. No chance of making any noise.

Hawks have had the best kids from 2015 npyll champion cannons for 2 years and now they have the best kids from the 2015 hoco Champs Diamondbacks.

Hawks know how to recruit.

Or maybe their just a relatively isolated team that does not have to compete for the talent pool.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Understand that HoCo is considering going to a Super Elite bracket that will have only the very top top 2022 teams. Hawks, DCExpress, Dukes, RR, T91 and Evergreen are sure bets.

API not in the mix?

Hawks grabbed best players from API this year. No chance of making any noise.

Hawks have had the best kids from 2015 npyll champion cannons for 2 years and now they have the best kids from the 2015 hoco Champs Diamondbacks.

Hawks know how to recruit.

Or maybe their just a relatively isolated team that does not have to compete for the talent pool.

Other than API, Cannons, Sidewinders, Peninsula, Storm, MD Wild, Rockfish, Snappers, Prime, ......

Tenacious Turtles putting together all star team to compete in Dicks TOC. Anyone else going?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tenacious Turtles putting together all star team to compete in Dicks TOC. Anyone else going?

There is only one Tenacious Turtles team, and they are now in college.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Buggs hasn't coach in a elite league . He drops teams down..

Not sure where you get information from. Buggs has coached several elite teams at the older levels and has had success . He is also heavily involved in the lax community and has been with Warrior from the very beginning. API will not drop down. He is highly qualified to coach that team. As far as the sideline losers its just unfortunate the rest of us will have to put up with it for another year. Hopefully they will let this coach teach their kids something and embarrass themselves or kids like every other year.

Have another cup of API cool-aid.
Buggs is a complete joke of a coach a bad example for teenage boys. He acts like a child often himself.
Once showed up to coach his team halfway through the game when he showed up late after a night of drinking.
Maybe if he can separate his personal life from his work life he can strive to be something more than a glorified figurehead.

For those of us not "in the know", when did Buggs Combs show up late to a game and how do you know it was due to his drinking and staying out late at night? Was this a recent occurrence or are you simply digging up his past for your own purposes? By the way, were you or your family ever affiliated with API? I am not, but wonder what motivates people on this forum to being so viciously mean-spirited.

I remember this. Several years ago. Beach Lax. Parents had to step in and coach until he and Asst. Coach showed up. Hopefully he has matured since then.

Hammel is showing up as the 2025 coach so it looks like it is all Buggs team now.

My kid is on the api 2022 team, and I can guarantee you that Hammel is 100% running the team this year just like he was last year.

Who cares about all this API and Maryland stuff? Evergreen 2022 is the new sheriff in town. Evergreen 2022 -Madlax Capital 2022 scrimmage on 10/1 at noon at Evergreen. Come watch the changing of the guard.

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Who cares about all this API and Maryland stuff? Evergreen 2022 is the new sheriff in town. Evergreen 2022 -Madlax Capital 2022 scrimmage on 10/1 at noon at Evergreen. Come watch the changing of the guard.

Hi, Madlax dad!

Have you guys heard of the new club Frumunda Lax? They are definitely better than Evergreen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tenacious Turtles putting together all star team to compete in Dicks TOC. Anyone else going?

There is only one Tenacious Turtles team, and they are now in college.

they started back up w youngins

https://turtleslax.com/

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares about all this API and Maryland stuff? Evergreen 2022 is the new sheriff in town. Evergreen 2022 -Madlax Capital 2022 scrimmage on 10/1 at noon at Evergreen. Come watch the changing of the guard.

Hi, Madlax dad!

Can you just film it for us so we dont have to drive to bum f ck to watch the first scrimmage of the year. Thanks
post a link right here so we can get in on the hype.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen has to actually play someone good before you can boost that they will be at the top of an already stacked Elite group of teams. Fall Ball is a great way to prove all the smack talk.

I would not even draw conclusions in the fall. Rather, let's give it a year and assess the results. Lots of turnover it seems on most teams. Whether the newbies meld with the holdovers from the prior years team, will be a test of coaching and the willingness of kids to be coachable. I'm excited for everyone, and hope that everyone is competitive. I don't like 6-0 teams nor 0-6 teams. I like it when you go to a 2022 game and see these kids really emerging into "real" lacrosse players with skills, IQ and drive to convince observers that they will be the next generation of kids to watch in the upcoming high school years.

Well said !

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Clubs can't spend the time developing players you kool aid drinker... they have to win and work on team plays and such. Wins gets kids to tryouts. The good kids have natural talent and size at this age. They also work on their own. Clubs don't develop anything more than marketing materials and uniforms. Parents develop kids and coaches help in small pieces. Clubs, collect money and pay bills. 90% of club coaches success comes from recruiting the best kids, not developing them. In HS and college they develop.

and that is why Crabs is imploding right now....

I was getting ready to say exactly the same thing, and then I scrolled down to see you beat me to it!

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MM team locked and loaded

And ready for another run at being best team again in country lead by the attack!

Really Mac, promoting yourself! You are not the best attack in the country! Your are selfish and a ball hog. Daddy sets every play up so you get the ball and can attempt to score with your horrible sidearm shot. The team would have done much better if you learned to pass the ball and be a team player not a self promoter!

OMG. Saw this on 2023 Crabs as well.
Big reason why many kids left.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares about all this API and Maryland stuff? Evergreen 2022 is the new sheriff in town. Evergreen 2022 -Madlax Capital 2022 scrimmage on 10/1 at noon at Evergreen. Come watch the changing of the guard.

Cant make it. Thats a college prospect and college camp day so our teams are taking their kids to play there. But best of luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A number left because they did not want to play for coach of 2022 Crabs. His shtick worked 4 or 5 years ago when Crabs was only game in town but now with a number of strong programs in the area kids/families have other options and don't have to put up with that....

Crabs is still the best at putting together teams for recruiting visibility in high school. Not so good at working with developing elementary and middle schoolers.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]A number left because they did not want to play for coach of 2022 Crabs. His shtick worked 4 or 5 years ago when Crabs was only game in town but now with a number of strong programs in the area kids/families have other options and don't have to put up with that....

Crabs is still the best at putting together teams for recruiting visibility in high school. Not so good at working with developing elementary and middle schoolers.

Putting up with bad coaching and verbal insults for 2 or 3 tournements over 2 summer months in order to get excellent visibility is worth doing in high school. Putting up with it year round for no visibility in middle school doesn't work.

RM is better suited to coaching the HS teams.
He threatened to f*cking rip a jersey off a 6th-Grader last year. Classy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tenacious Turtles putting together all star team to compete in Dicks TOC. Anyone else going?

There is only one Tenacious Turtles team, and they are now in college.

they started back up w youngins

https://turtleslax.com/

I know. Nothing wrong with that, but don't call them the Turtles. There is only one team that can be called the Turtles.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares about all this API and Maryland stuff? Evergreen 2022 is the new sheriff in town. Evergreen 2022 -Madlax Capital 2022 scrimmage on 10/1 at noon at Evergreen. Come watch the changing of the guard.

This is hysterical. Win a game this spring in the big boy division before you start touting a glorified rec program as the "new sheriff in town".

The kid that left API to go to the HAWKS is a good player but he just made a bad decision . How do you give up playing 80 to 90 percent of the game for a good team .To go to the Hawks and play less makes no sense. I guess that's why he got it for free.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares about all this API and Maryland stuff? Evergreen 2022 is the new sheriff in town. Evergreen 2022 -Madlax Capital 2022 scrimmage on 10/1 at noon at Evergreen. Come watch the changing of the guard.

This is hysterical. Win a game this spring in the big boy division before you start touting a glorified rec program as the "new sheriff in town".

Sounds like Bitmore renamed as evergreen and in va.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares about all this API and Maryland stuff? Evergreen 2022 is the new sheriff in town. Evergreen 2022 -Madlax Capital 2022 scrimmage on 10/1 at noon at Evergreen. Come watch the changing of the guard.

This is hysterical. Win a game this spring in the big boy division before you start touting a glorified rec program as the "new sheriff in town".

Sounds like Bitmore renamed as evergreen and in va.

Unlike the other team in Leesburg, at least Evergreen is willing to go out and challenge themselves by playing a team like Madlax Capital. Never see that other Leesburg team do that. They prefer to "support" local weakling teams by beating them every year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The kid that left API to go to the HAWKS is a good player but he just made a bad decision . How do you give up playing 80 to 90 percent of the game for a good team .To go to the Hawks and play less makes no sense. I guess that's why he got it for free.

Please give me the list of TOP D1 kids signing out of API? Then give me a list of top D1 kids out of Hawks? I think his choice could prove to be correct.

So after they break up the 12.5 scholarships for the "top D1" kids you get....... $5000 maybe? LOL. Forest from the trees boys. Grades and Fun better be your montra.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The kid that left API to go to the HAWKS is a good player but he just made a bad decision . How do you give up playing 80 to 90 percent of the game for a good team .To go to the Hawks and play less makes no sense. I guess that's why he got it for free.

Please give me the list of TOP D1 kids signing out of API? Then give me a list of top D1 kids out of Hawks? I think his choice could prove to be correct.

Not is playing time is reduce.................I rather my son play for a lesser time and play often then play for a better team and ride the bench.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The kid that left API to go to the HAWKS is a good player but he just made a bad decision . How do you give up playing 80 to 90 percent of the game for a good team .To go to the Hawks and play less makes no sense. I guess that's why he got it for free.

Please give me the list of TOP D1 kids signing out of API? Then give me a list of top D1 kids out of Hawks? I think his choice could prove to be correct.

Not is playing time is reduce.................I rather my son play for a lesser time and play often then play for a better team and ride the bench.

My momma says that alligators are so ornery because they got all them teeth and no toothbrush.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The kid that left API to go to the HAWKS is a good player but he just made a bad decision . How do you give up playing 80 to 90 percent of the game for a good team .To go to the Hawks and play less makes no sense. I guess that's why he got it for free.

Please give me the list of TOP D1 kids signing out of API? Then give me a list of top D1 kids out of Hawks? I think his choice could prove to be correct.

Not is playing time is reduce.................I rather my son play for a lesser time and play often then play for a better team and ride the bench.

You have to be seen. And Hawks play with the big boys. Also if they are winning more and he play O he will have the ball to look good.

Do all the Hawks kids get a free ride or just former api kids that go to the Hawks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The kid that left API to go to the HAWKS is a good player but he just made a bad decision . How do you give up playing 80 to 90 percent of the game for a good team .To go to the Hawks and play less makes no sense. I guess that's why he got it for free.

Middies shouldn't be playing 80-90%.

Sounds like he's on a team that will use him correctly and maximize his time on the field.

I heard his dad founded Hawks many years ago with hogan for his older son to play on. Then there was a falling out. Good to see they reconciled.

API and Hawks both suck. Nothing but trash from the armpit of MD.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So after they break up the 12.5 scholarships for the "top D1" kids you get....... $5000 maybe? LOL. Forest from the trees boys. Grades and Fun better be your montra.

It's "Forest for the trees." And the word is "mantra," not "montra." I'm sorry, but the illiteracy on here is just too much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares about all this API and Maryland stuff? Evergreen 2022 is the new sheriff in town. Evergreen 2022 -Madlax Capital 2022 scrimmage on 10/1 at noon at Evergreen. Come watch the changing of the guard.

This is hysterical. Win a game this spring in the big boy division before you start touting a glorified rec program as the "new sheriff in town".

Sounds like Bitmore renamed as evergreen and in va.

Unlike the other team in Leesburg, at least Evergreen is willing to go out and challenge themselves by playing a team like Madlax Capital. Never see that other Leesburg team do that. They prefer to "support" local weakling teams by beating them every year.

I understand the start time for the game is moved to 12:30 for the college coaches that plan to attend this game now being billed as "the Battle of Leesburg" get there early as parking may be an issue. They have food available at the evergreen sports complex. I plan to get there at 10:00am to tailgate.

Cavs and 3d Mid Atlantic are good feeder programs for Evergreen.

Cavs,3D Mid and Evergreen should be one club one team and they would be fun to watch and play for. But the egos of rich white people is in full effect.

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Cavs,3D Mid and Evergreen should be one club one team and they would be fun to watch and play for. But the egos of rich white people is in full effect.

They would still be terrible compared to BW, VLC and Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavs,3D Mid and Evergreen should be one club one team and they would be fun to watch and play for. But the egos of rich white people is in full effect.

They would still be terrible compared to BW, VLC and Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who cares about all this API and Maryland stuff? Evergreen 2022 is the new sheriff in town. Evergreen 2022 -Madlax Capital 2022 scrimmage on 10/1 at noon at Evergreen. Come watch the changing of the guard.

This is hysterical. Win a game this spring in the big boy division before you start touting a glorified rec program as the "new sheriff in town".

Sounds like Bitmore renamed as evergreen and in va.

Unlike the other team in Leesburg, at least Evergreen is willing to go out and challenge themselves by playing a team like Madlax Capital. Never see that other Leesburg team do that. They prefer to "support" local weakling teams by beating them every year.

I understand the start time for the game is moved to 12:30 for the college coaches that plan to attend this game now being billed as "the Battle of Leesburg" get there early as parking may be an issue. They have food available at the evergreen sports complex. I plan to get there at 10:00am to tailgate.

I can't believe Madlax agreed to play Evergreen. What a waste of time and gas for the Madlax kids.

Who is playing in the FCA play day at Calvert Hall on Oct. 29?

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Who is playing in the FCA play day at Calvert Hall on Oct. 29?

FCA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is playing in the FCA play day at Calvert Hall on Oct. 29?

FCA

That is correct, the FCA holdbacks vs. the FCA non holdbacks. Could be an interesting game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is playing in the FCA play day at Calvert Hall on Oct. 29?

FCA

That is correct, the FCA holdbacks vs. the FCA non holdbacks. Could be an interesting game.

Same day as Battle on the Bay. Not many top teams left to play at Calvert hall.

What is battle of the bay

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is battle of the bay

Biggest fall tourney at Chesapeake high (aa county). Run by Loyola's Toomey

Best LI teams and many out of state teams last year.

FCA play day is the 8th
Battle of the Bay is 29th

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA play day is the 8th
Battle of the Bay is 29th

Different play day. Possibly Hawks vs fca on 8th.

Very funny how Hawks give free rides to new kids that they have been recruiting for a year while kids who have been there 3,4, and 5 years are paying full prices and sweating it out all season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very funny how Hawks give free rides to new kids that they have been recruiting for a year while kids who have been there 3,4, and 5 years are paying full prices and sweating it out all season.

Who got a free ride?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very funny how Hawks give free rides to new kids that they have been recruiting for a year while kids who have been there 3,4, and 5 years are paying full prices and sweating it out all season.

Who got a free ride?

New middie/fogo from API. Dad has history with hogan.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very funny how Hawks give free rides to new kids that they have been recruiting for a year while kids who have been there 3,4, and 5 years are paying full prices and sweating it out all season.

Are you that much of an idiot? Do you not know that in life, people can be treated fairly, but rarely equally. Some kids are more important than others. That's why people at work usually make different salaries. Some are deemed more valuable that others.

Life is a meritocracy. Some kids are on the team and pay full freight. Others pay less because they need the help. Others get help because they are deemed too valuable to lose. Get over yourself, dude.

And 6 or 7 are there to subsidize the rest

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And 6 or 7 are there to subsidize the rest

If you don't like it, play somewhere else. There are no shortages of clubs to choose from.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very funny how Hawks give free rides to new kids that they have been recruiting for a year while kids who have been there 3,4, and 5 years are paying full prices and sweating it out all season.

Who got a free ride?

New middie/fogo from API. Dad has history with hogan.

I bet the other fogo dad isn't happy about this one bit. Please post a practice and game schedule. I want to watch this sideline this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who got a free ride?

New middie/fogo from API. Dad has history with hogan.

You are an ignorant [lacrosse] for calling out this player. You have no clue what the family's situation is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very funny how Hawks give free rides to new kids that they have been recruiting for a year while kids who have been there 3,4, and 5 years are paying full prices and sweating it out all season.

Who got a free ride?

New middie/fogo from API. Dad has history with hogan.

Doubtful, he is getting a reduced ride, no way he is getting a free ride.

Daddy makes enough money .. free ride that was the deal to come over

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Daddy makes enough money .. free ride that was the deal to come over

That is what daddy has been telling everyone free to go to the Hawks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Daddy makes enough money .. free ride that was the deal to come over

That is what daddy has been telling everyone free to go to the Hawks

Jealous!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Daddy makes enough money .. free ride that was the deal to come over

That is what daddy has been telling everyone free to go to the Hawks

Jealous!

Giving free rides to opposition kids is poaching.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very funny how Hawks give free rides to new kids that they have been recruiting for a year while kids who have been there 3,4, and 5 years are paying full prices and sweating it out all season.

Who got a free ride?

New middie/fogo from API. Dad has history with hogan.

I bet the other fogo dad isn't happy about this one bit. Please post a practice and game schedule. I want to watch this sideline this year.

Bitter parents on this site are too funny. Who is sweating it out? Sounds like the only one sweating anything is the person calling out specific kids and trying to bash other kids all in one post about a team they don't even belong to. Stop swinging from their nuts and just be patient. You will see them soon enough and the sideline will be the exact same as every year. You and your fellow daddies with be trolling and acting like idiots on the sideline while your team gets dominated. Now thats funny!

Can't wait until evergreen plays in the tournaments they are the best team in the Area if not country

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Daddy makes enough money .. free ride that was the deal to come over

That is what daddy has been telling everyone free to go to the Hawks

API daddy hating again on the Hawks. This is really something else. Do you really think any one thinks you speak the truth or are to be taken seriously.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can't wait until evergreen plays in the tournaments they are the best team in the Area if not country

Everyone can't wait !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can't wait until evergreen plays in the tournaments they are the best team in the Area if not country

Does anyone know where they are playing this fall? They seem to be winning the off season

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can't wait until evergreen plays in the tournaments they are the best team in the Area if not country

Does anyone know where they are playing this fall? They seem to be winning the off season

Don't know but heard that Hopkins and Maryland are ducking them.

Evergreen
You better get past cannons, lax factory , or the single A teams before calling out the double A big boys . This is Lacrosse not landscaping theirs not a good team that comes from Leesburg . Sorry you don't want the Maryland big boys .

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Can't wait until evergreen plays in the tournaments they are the best team in the Area if not country

Everyone can't wait !

You can't be a 3D or Cavs parent talking this craziness because you haven't played in the big boy division yet. You gotta get past Madlax first and Can't wait for that play date.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can't wait until evergreen plays in the tournaments they are the best team in the Area if not country

Does anyone know where they are playing this fall? They seem to be winning the off season

Don't know but heard that Hopkins and Maryland are ducking them.

False Report. Tillman and Petro both wanted to play them. Both Md and Hop players refused! Afraid what they would look like playing Evergreen. This team is for real people. Heard it here first

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can't wait until evergreen plays in the tournaments they are the best team in the Area if not country

Does anyone know where they are playing this fall? They seem to be winning the off season

Don't know but heard that Hopkins and Maryland are ducking them.

False Report. Tillman and Petro both wanted to play them. Both Md and Hop players refused! Afraid what they would look like playing Evergreen. This team is for real people. Heard it here first

IL Pre-season Scouting Report on Evergreen 2022: "Evergreen plays a brand of lacrosse not seen in the HOCO elite division. Their level of play will cause games to be decided in the first 10 minutes and you will not forget seeing the green and black."

I am very impressed with the PR department over at Evergreen. Marketing 101 says have them know your name. And even if these claims of greatness are way off people now know they are a lacrosse team. Before you can be with the big dogs you have to get them to look at you. And when they lose by 10 goals no one will think twice. But if they find a way to keep this Madlax game within 4 goals the hype train will be rolling. Kudos to Evergreen for knowing how this works.

When is Evergreen having a play day and hosting all the big boy elite teams? We always looking for better competition

Where are the '22 elite teams and Evergreen playing this fall, or is it a secret?

If they don't play and destroy hawks express crabs it's only cause though those teams are too scared

Evergreen will be 4 th in nova behind madlax, club blue, and VLC ahead of top cal and cavalier

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen will be 4 th in nova behind madlax, club blue, and VLC ahead of top cal and cavalier

They will be close with Madlax and destroy club blue and VLC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen will be 4 th in nova behind madlax, club blue, and VLC ahead of top cal and cavalier

They will be close with Madlax and destroy club blue and VLC

No way Evergreen 2022 beats Cavs 2022. Should be easy to arrange in view of the proximity of the programs.

What teams really got better in the off season? Besides of course Evergreen.

When is the Evergreen fall tournament? They have the best team, the best venue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When is the Evergreen fall tournament? They have the best team, the best venue.

I heard they are planning a spring tournament with all the top teams that is scheduled for Feb. 30th 2018.

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Evergreen will be 4 th in nova behind madlax, club blue, and VLC ahead of top cal and cavalier

They will be close with Madlax and destroy club blue and VLC

No, they won't. They would get smoked by any real AAA club because they're a glorified rec program disguised as A/B level club, just like 3D did.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

18-6. Never forget.

Please let the rest of us forget. Please!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

18-6. Never forget.

Please let the rest of us forget. Please!

Doubt API or Hawks will play each other this year. Is API staying at the elite level this year or have they been replace by Evergreen?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen will be 4 th in nova behind madlax, club blue, and VLC ahead of top cal and cavalier

They will be close with Madlax and destroy club blue and VLC

No, they won't. They would get smoked by any real AAA club because they're a glorified rec program disguised as A/B level club, just like 3D did.

AAA Club?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen will be 4 th in nova behind madlax, club blue, and VLC ahead of top cal and cavalier

They will be close with Madlax and destroy club blue and VLC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen will be 4 th in nova behind madlax, club blue, and VLC ahead of top cal and cavalier

come on don't knock them down, they haven't played a game with the big boys and
They will be close with Madlax and destroy club blue and VLC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen will be 4 th in nova behind madlax, club blue, and VLC ahead of top cal and cavalier

They will be close with Madlax and destroy club blue and VLC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen will be 4 th in nova behind madlax, club blue, and VLC ahead of top cal and cavalier

They will be close with Madlax and destroy club blue and VLC

Don't knock them down, they haven't played with the big boys but are already claiming to be the top dogs. I look forward to seeing them play. Good luck Evergreen, whoever is posting this stuff is writing checks hopefully the team can cash in on. Some call this good PR, this is bad because the kids on the field are going to cash in on these statements. Ouch

maybe API kids can fly to Leesburg and play for Evergreen, no jet lag issues for the rest of summer that way

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen will be 4 th in nova behind madlax, club blue, and VLC ahead of top cal and cavalier

They will be close with Madlax and destroy club blue and VLC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen will be 4 th in nova behind madlax, club blue, and VLC ahead of top cal and cavalier

come on don't knock them down, they haven't played a game with the big boys and
They will be close with Madlax and destroy club blue and VLC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen will be 4 th in nova behind madlax, club blue, and VLC ahead of top cal and cavalier

They will be close with Madlax and destroy club blue and VLC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen will be 4 th in nova behind madlax, club blue, and VLC ahead of top cal and cavalier

They will be close with Madlax and destroy club blue and VLC

Don't knock them down, they haven't played with the big boys but are already claiming to be the top dogs. I look forward to seeing them play. Good luck Evergreen, whoever is posting this stuff is writing checks hopefully the team can cash in on. Some call this good PR, this is bad because the kids on the field are going to cash in on these statements. Ouch

100% sure that the kids on the field do not care the least bit about posting on BOTC. The PR is good because there are almost 20K views on this link. Until this year 95% who visit this sight has no clue who Evergreen was. I am sure many additional visits to the evergreen website resulted which may have even led to Madlax agreeing to play them. I think this is a first.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Daddy makes enough money .. free ride that was the deal to come over

That is what daddy has been telling everyone free to go to the Hawks

The Hawks were a great team last season. They added a young man who was selected 1st team all world at his position. You also weaken a major rival by taking the heart and soul of the team away. You do what you have to when you are taking the next step as a team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Daddy makes enough money .. free ride that was the deal to come over

That is what daddy has been telling everyone free to go to the Hawks

The Hawks were a great team last season. They added a young man who was selected 1st team all world at his position. You also weaken a major rival by taking the heart and soul of the team away. You do what you have to when you are taking the next step as a team.

Any dad who talks about a kid - a KID - being "all world" at anything should be deported out of the country.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Daddy makes enough money .. free ride that was the deal to come over

That is what daddy has been telling everyone free to go to the Hawks

The Hawks were a great team last season. They added a young man who was selected 1st team all world at his position. You also weaken a major rival by taking the heart and soul of the team away. You do what you have to when you are taking the next step as a team.

Any dad who talks about a kid - a KID - being "all world" at anything should be deported out of the country.

Agreed 'all'world' does sound lame for a 13-14 yr old but it is not the parent that made that up . It was the WSYL .

I watched the Evergreen 2022 lacrosse team on you tube . They have very nice facilities but 2022 is not ready for the Maryland Big Boys (AA).Madlax will crush them . Evergreen better start off in HOCO as A team. Evergreen looks like rec team here in MD . I would stay in Leesburg

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I watched the Evergreen 2022 lacrosse team on you tube . They have very nice facilities but 2022 is not ready for the Maryland Big Boys (AA).Madlax will crush them . Evergreen better start off in HOCO as A team. Evergreen looks like rec team here in MD . I would stay in Leesburg

Thanks for posting what EVERYBODY already knows. I doubt it will keep the Evergreen shills away though...LOL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I watched the Evergreen 2022 lacrosse team on you tube . They have very nice facilities but 2022 is not ready for the Maryland Big Boys (AA).Madlax will crush them . Evergreen better start off in HOCO as A team. Evergreen looks like rec team here in MD . I would stay in Leesburg

Thanks for posting what EVERYBODY already knows. I doubt it will keep the Evergreen shills away though...LOL.

There is no YouTube video of this Evergreen 2022 Elite team. This is a newly assembled 2022 team from 3D and Cavs. The old 2022 team that you may have seen on YouTube was not great.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Daddy makes enough money .. free ride that was the deal to come over

That is what daddy has been telling everyone free to go to the Hawks

The Hawks were a great team last season. They added a young man who was selected 1st team all world at his position. You also weaken a major rival by taking the heart and soul of the team away. You do what you have to when you are taking the next step as a team.

Any dad who talks about a kid - a KID - being "all world" at anything should be deported out of the country.

Agreed 'all'world' does sound lame for a 13-14 yr old but it is not the parent that made that up . It was the WSYL .

Yep. The WSYL panel determined this.. All the API kids who made all world tried out for the Hawks. All desparate to get out. A few didn't even get offers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Daddy makes enough money .. free ride that was the deal to come over

That is what daddy has been telling everyone free to go to the Hawks

The Hawks were a great team last season. They added a young man who was selected 1st team all world at his position. You also weaken a major rival by taking the heart and soul of the team away. You do what you have to when you are taking the next step as a team.

Any dad who talks about a kid - a KID - being "all world" at anything should be deported out of the country.

Agreed 'all'world' does sound lame for a 13-14 yr old but it is not the parent that made that up . It was the WSYL .

Yep. The WSYL panel determined this.. All the API kids who made all world tried out for the Hawks. All desparate to get out. A few didn't even get offers

All World? Too funny

Did you see some of the teams they played against? Good rec. teams

This Evergreen chatter is hilarious. If it is from an Evergreen player/parent/coach I would be surprised. More likely just trolling from another disgruntled club player/parent/coach. I doubt they will be any good but boy I hope the troll or trolls keep this up. It is very entertaining....This guy Anonymous seems to be an expert on many subjects! I hope to meet him some day!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This Evergreen chatter is hilarious. If it is from an Evergreen player/parent/coach I would be surprised. More likely just trolling from another disgruntled club player/parent/coach. I doubt they will be any good but boy I hope the troll or trolls keep this up. It is very entertaining....This guy Anonymous seems to be an expert on many subjects! I hope to meet him some day!

That is an interesting theory but does not hold up to the test of logic. Would there be such a thing as a "disgruntled" Evergreen player/parent? This would have then been some player/parent who was not good enough to make the team? I do not think they had "cuts." However, it could be a Madlax or Cav parent or club owner who wants to hype the club so that if they win the play date in October....and that is a big IF....they can have bragging rights??? I guess this argument is faulty as well. I think there are several Evergreen trolls and some live in MD. In any case I hope it continues as it is more interesting than reading about holdbacks and reclassing of 8th graders. I am now mildly interested in the result of the Evergreen Madlax game.

Api kid went to Hawks because it was free ..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This Evergreen chatter is hilarious. If it is from an Evergreen player/parent/coach I would be surprised. More likely just trolling from another disgruntled club player/parent/coach. I doubt they will be any good but boy I hope the troll or trolls keep this up. It is very entertaining....This guy Anonymous seems to be an expert on many subjects! I hope to meet him some day!

That is an interesting theory but does not hold up to the test of logic. Would there be such a thing as a "disgruntled" Evergreen player/parent? This would have then been some player/parent who was not good enough to make the team? I do not think they had "cuts." However, it could be a Madlax or Cav parent or club owner who wants to hype the club so that if they win the play date in October....and that is a big IF....they can have bragging rights??? I guess this argument is faulty as well. I think there are several Evergreen trolls and some live in MD. In any case I hope it continues as it is more interesting than reading about holdbacks and reclassing of 8th graders. I am now mildly interested in the result of the Evergreen Madlax game.

The holdback/reclass debate on Crabs/HOCO is boring. Middle school club lax helps prepare you for HS lax. HS is grade-based, nothing wrong with MS club lax being grade-based. Other MS sports (basketball, etc.) are grade-based. If you insist on age-based for your MS lax player, go play Rec.

Never met a disgruntled Evergreen parent. If your boy is not good enough for Evergeen, he should probably try baseball.

Evergreen ownership/staff must be behind some of these posts. Their website is nice and facility looks fantastic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Api kid went to Hawks because it was free ..

the api kid that went to hawks did not pay to play at api either. his dad was spouting off about that all summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Api kid went to Hawks because it was free ..

the api kid that went to hawks did not pay to play at api either. his dad was spouting off about that all summer.

Sounds like the dad is the only smart one on here, or maybe in all of club lacrosse.
Who cares if they paid or not. These API dads have nothing else to do but bash anything happening with the Hawks. Some people on here to give 2 cents about either team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Api kid went to Hawks because it was free ..

not true

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Api kid went to Hawks because it was free ..

the api kid that went to hawks did not pay to play at api either. his dad was spouting off about that all summer.

dads who live vicariously through their children say a lot of things that are not accurate

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Api kid went to Hawks because it was free ..

the api kid that went to hawks did not pay to play at api either. his dad was spouting off about that all summer.

dads who live vicariously through their children say a lot of things that are not accurate

Evergreen has cool parents and the teams are thriving.

Evergreen is doing a great job of dominating this thread and promoting the Evergreen. Even keeping it classy and humorous. But tell us why you named your club Evergreen? Just sounds weird and blah. Mascot a tree? The band? Or just tying it to the in-house program of the facility? And where are you? Virginia right?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen is doing a great job of dominating this thread and promoting the Evergreen. Even keeping it classy and humorous. But tell us why you named your club Evergreen? Just sounds weird and blah. Mascot a tree? The band? Or just tying it to the in-house program of the facility? And where are you? Virginia right?

Name of the church the complex is built on. When you first pull it you will see the church on the right named Evergreen. Now I have no idea if the complex is labeled as a full business or has real church ties or not.

It's a way for a church to make money. Just like Word of Grace uses those fields and that church in Chantilly had the N-Zone (is that still around)?

Makes a lot of sense for churches to do use their property to make money renting it out for field space.

No idea about the church, but the talent in the club is dreadful. They are trying to make a splash, though. Talent pool out there is marginal, but they are taking advantage of 3d's collapse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Api kid went to Hawks because it was free ..

the api kid that went to hawks did not pay to play at api either. his dad was spouting off about that all summer.

dads who live vicariously through their children say a lot of things that are not accurate

Evergreen has cool parents and the teams are thriving.

At least be honest. Some parents are probably fine, but most of them are delusional, thinking that nice grandstands means the teams are good. They are terrible teams at Evergreen. They just got started and may get there, but unlikely given the weak talent pool out there.

Good God, all of this Evergreen crap has made this forum boring to read. Yawn.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's a way for a church to make money. Just like Word of Grace uses those fields and that church in Chantilly had the N-Zone (is that still around)?

Makes a lot of sense for churches to do use their property to make money renting it out for field space.

No idea about the church, but the talent in the club is dreadful. They are trying to make a splash, though. Talent pool out there is marginal, but they are taking advantage of 3d's collapse.

Cool story bro!!!

Hey Ricky...you and your guys finish washing our jockstraps yet? ---Cav's

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good God, all of this Evergreen crap has made this forum boring to read. Yawn.

I actually find it funny and new. The good news is that all of this may come to an end on 10/1 when they play MadLax. However, should this be a tight game or win for Evergreen? I expect even more from the Evergreen faithful. Evergreen does have great facilities, top level coaching from D1 and even MLL players, football and soccer programs. In the past the only thing missing was A level talent. The 2022 team moved from 3d and added some other talented players. This team did win HOCO AAA (not Elite) as was the strongest group from 3d. Can they beat the top Elite teams? No, However with the new coaching and additions to the team, they could be at the bottom end of the Elite group. This group also mostly plays together on the Evergreen Hammer's football program. Either way publicity will attract new players to look at the team. A win over MadLax will change the conversation.

Cavs and Evergreen both belong in port-a-johns.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good God, all of this Evergreen crap has made this forum boring to read. Yawn.

I actually find it funny and new. The good news is that all of this may come to an end on 10/1 when they play MadLax. However, should this be a tight game or win for Evergreen? I expect even more from the Evergreen faithful. Evergreen does have great facilities, top level coaching from D1 and even MLL players, football and soccer programs. In the past the only thing missing was A level talent. The 2022 team moved from 3d and added some other talented players. This team did win HOCO AAA (not Elite) as was the strongest group from 3d. Can they beat the top Elite teams? No, However with the new coaching and additions to the team, they could be at the bottom end of the Elite group. This group also mostly plays together on the Evergreen Hammer's football program. Either way publicity will attract new players to look at the team. A win over MadLax will change the conversation.

You need to be medicated. Evergreen sucks, and the kids know it. You can tell a terrible club when their parents say the stupidest things.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavs and Evergreen both belong in port-a-johns.

That is just not true they are a great feeder system to Madlax, VLC and Blackwolf. Every high school in NOVA now has a Varsity lacrosse team. So these teams need kids to play for them. The more clubs the better for Public School lacrosse. But NOVA only has talent for 3 and a half top elite D1 some day teams. So EG will never be in the top 3 unless one of the others fold for another reason.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Understand that HoCo is considering going to a Super Elite bracket that will have only the very top top 2022 teams. Hawks, DCExpress, Dukes, RR, T91 and Evergreen are sure bets.

Evergreen will be the favorite in this bracket

That's a very bold statement! I cant wait to see this team play. From nowhere to AA Elite Champions over night? That's some serious off-season magic!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Daddy makes enough money .. free ride that was the deal to come over

That is what daddy has been telling everyone free to go to the Hawks

The Hawks were a great team last season. They added a young man who was selected 1st team all world at his position. You also weaken a major rival by taking the heart and soul of the team away. You do what you have to when you are taking the next step as a team.

What does "1st Team All-World" mean at 2022 club lacrosse? Are there some studs in Indonesia or Iceland competing for this title? How does an 8th grader make the 2022 All-World Team and who was sad enough to vote for it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Daddy makes enough money .. free ride that was the deal to come over

That is what daddy has been telling everyone free to go to the Hawks

The Hawks were a great team last season. They added a young man who was selected 1st team all world at his position. You also weaken a major rival by taking the heart and soul of the team away. You do what you have to when you are taking the next step as a team.

What does "1st Team All-World" mean at 2022 club lacrosse? Are there some studs in Indonesia or Iceland competing for this title? How does an 8th grader make the 2022 All-World Team and who was sad enough to vote for it?

It is just the tournament team for wsyl. The best of the B teams that were suckered into going.

Can we all agree api(DBacks)was the best 3 grade team ever. Now in 8 grade not so much lost their better players and have not replace them. 7 kids from last years team has moved on to different teams. Maybe when API drops down to the B division they can bring back the Cannons/API rival. #3gradelaxdoesnotmeananytging.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we all agree api(DBacks)was the best 3 grade team ever. Now in 8 grade not so much lost their better players and have not replace them. 7 kids from last years team has moved on to different teams. Maybe when API drops down to the B division they can bring back the Cannons/API rival. #3gradelaxdoesnotmeananytging.

Heard their coach was 2nd team all-world that year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we all agree api(DBacks)was the best 3 grade team ever. Now in 8 grade not so much lost their better players and have not replace them. 7 kids from last years team has moved on to different teams. Maybe when API drops down to the B division they can bring back the Cannons/API rival. #3gradelaxdoesnotmeananytging.

#does8thgradelaxchampionshipmeananything? Once the kids get to HS all this will be forgotten. API is what they is. A solid team.

Woo hoo. Anonymous posting is back. Thanks BOTC!

Will Madlax vs. Evergreen be the new 18-6?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Woo hoo. Anonymous posting is back. Thanks BOTC!

I for one am going to keep my login the same links to each team

Evergreen v Madlax scrimmage on Sunday! High noon at Evergreen in Leesburg. Changing of the guard in NOVA lax!

What makes Madlax the top team in NOVA?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What makes Madlax the top team in NOVA?

Being able to beat everyone in the D.C. Area except for BLC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What makes Madlax the top team in NOVA?

Being able to beat everyone in the D.C. Area except for BLC.

BLC is not NOVA. But yes, Madlax by process of elimination:
Cavalier - no
VLC - no
3d - 2022 team disbanded
Evergreen - not even close
Battle lax - you have got to be kidding me
Etc

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What makes Madlax the top team in NOVA?

Being able to beat everyone in the D.C. Area except for BLC.

BLC is not NOVA. But yes, Madlax by process of elimination:
Cavalier - no
VLC - no
3d - 2022 team disbanded
Evergreen - not even close
Battle lax - you have got to be kidding me
Etc

Evergreen and all other 2022 teams in NoVA are glorified rec teams which is why they play the weak competition in HOCO and the weak summer tournaments.

BTW, the last time BLC 2022 and Madlax played an actual Spring HOCO game, Madlax won. Both are good teams and the talent and skill level isn't even comparable to the other 2022 clubs in the DC area.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What makes Madlax the top team in NOVA?

Being able to beat everyone in the D.C. Area except for BLC.

BLC is not NOVA. But yes, Madlax by process of elimination:
Cavalier - no
VLC - no
3d - 2022 team disbanded
Evergreen - not even close
Battle lax - you have got to be kidding me
Etc

Evergreen and all other 2022 teams in NoVA are glorified rec teams which is why they play the weak competition in HOCO and the weak summer tournaments.

BTW, the last time BLC 2022 and Madlax played an actual Spring HOCO game, Madlax won. Both are good teams and the talent and skill level isn't even comparable to the other 2022 clubs in the DC area.

Madlax and BLC have gone in opposite directions since 6th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What makes Madlax the top team in NOVA?

Being able to beat everyone in the D.C. Area except for BLC.

BLC is not NOVA. But yes, Madlax by process of elimination:
Cavalier - no
VLC - no
3d - 2022 team disbanded
Evergreen - not even close
Battle lax - you have got to be kidding me
Etc

Evergreen and all other 2022 teams in NoVA are glorified rec teams which is why they play the weak competition in HOCO and the weak summer tournaments.

BTW, the last time BLC 2022 and Madlax played an actual Spring HOCO game, Madlax won. Both are good teams and the talent and skill level isn't even comparable to the other 2022 clubs in the DC area.

So when Evergreen defeats Madlax tomorrow does that make Madlax a glorified rec team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What makes Madlax the top team in NOVA?

Being able to beat everyone in the D.C. Area except for BLC.

BLC is not NOVA. But yes, Madlax by process of elimination:
Cavalier - no
VLC - no
3d - 2022 team disbanded
Evergreen - not even close
Battle lax - you have got to be kidding me
Etc

Evergreen and all other 2022 teams in NoVA are glorified rec teams which is why they play the weak competition in HOCO and the weak summer tournaments.

BTW, the last time BLC 2022 and Madlax played an actual Spring HOCO game, Madlax won. Both are good teams and the talent and skill level isn't even comparable to the other 2022 clubs in the DC area.

So when Evergreen defeats Madlax tomorrow does that make Madlax a glorified rec team?

If evergreen comes within 5 of Madlax tomorrow, evergreen will be elevated to legitimate club level.

Keep us posted.

Any scores from the Evergreen game?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any scores from the Evergreen game?

Must not have been within 5

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What makes Madlax the top team in NOVA?

Being able to beat everyone in the D.C. Area except for BLC.

BLC is not NOVA. But yes, Madlax by process of elimination:
Cavalier - no
VLC - no
3d - 2022 team disbanded
Evergreen - not even close
Battle lax - you have got to be kidding me
Etc

Evergreen and all other 2022 teams in NoVA are glorified rec teams which is why they play the weak competition in HOCO and the weak summer tournaments.

BTW, the last time BLC 2022 and Madlax played an actual Spring HOCO game, Madlax won. Both are good teams and the talent and skill level isn't even comparable to the other 2022 clubs in the DC area.

So when Evergreen defeats Madlax tomorrow does that make Madlax a glorified rec team?

If evergreen comes within 5 of Madlax tomorrow, evergreen will be elevated to legitimate club level.

Keep us posted.

Evergreen is legit

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any scores from the Evergreen game?

Where is the Evergreen Clad? Score?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any scores from the Evergreen game?

Please upload the video from todays game so the Lacrosse community can see what all the hype is about

Madlax with missing players destroyed EGreen. A waste of time for both teams

Evergreen is a joke. Somebody needs to expose the clown who is posting all the lies and shut him up. There was no game today. Evergreen didn't even have enough players to field a team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax with missing players destroyed EGreen. A waste of time for both teams

Fake news

The Evergreen owner is posting fake news to stir up interest in his joke of a club. Evergreen is not a real club, and it never will me. Don't fall for it. There was no Madlax/Evergreen game. Evergreen only had 13 kids that couldn't throw or catch. So there was a controlled scrimmage instead. Complete waste of time for all the Madlax players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Evergreen owner is posting fake news to stir up interest in his joke of a club. Evergreen is not a real club, and it never will me. Don't fall for it. There was no Madlax/Evergreen game. Evergreen only had 13 kids that couldn't throw or catch. So there was a controlled scrimmage instead. Complete waste of time for all the Madlax players.

Not true. Evergreen 2022 has the entire 3d 2022 team and is coached by Dylan Maltz. Madlax is fake news.

First of all, 3d 2022 was never that good. Second, don't know what you mean by the "entire 3d 2022 team." That team imploded. Know lots of former 3d 2022 players that now play for new teams. So it would be impossible for Evergreen to have gotten them all. Third, tell the Evergreen owner to quit all the annoying posts -- it is just making everyone hate his club. If you want to publicize your club, win some games first.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First of all, 3d 2022 was never that good. Second, don't know what you mean by the "entire 3d 2022 team." That team imploded. Know lots of former 3d 2022 players that now play for new teams. So it would be impossible for Evergreen to have gotten them all. Third, tell the Evergreen owner to quit all the annoying posts -- it is just making everyone hate his club. If you want to publicize your club, win some games first.

You assume this is an Evergreen poster. It's just as likely it's a competitor trying to disparage this club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First of all, 3d 2022 was never that good. Second, don't know what you mean by the "entire 3d 2022 team." That team imploded. Know lots of former 3d 2022 players that now play for new teams. So it would be impossible for Evergreen to have gotten them all. Third, tell the Evergreen owner to quit all the annoying posts -- it is just making everyone hate his club. If you want to publicize your club, win some games first.

Names and the clubs they play for? No? Thought so.

When will we see any of the teams get after this fall. Hawks , Express , RR , FCA or anyone else that matters. Enough of the no name whatever Green program and a Mad Lax team that was at the bottom of the league last year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First of all, 3d 2022 was never that good. Second, don't know what you mean by the "entire 3d 2022 team." That team imploded. Know lots of former 3d 2022 players that now play for new teams. So it would be impossible for Evergreen to have gotten them all. Third, tell the Evergreen owner to quit all the annoying posts -- it is just making everyone hate his club. If you want to publicize your club, win some games first.

You assume this is an Evergreen poster. It's just as likely it's a competitor trying to disparage this club.

My guess is it is a Cavs parent. [lacrosse]hole parents are the biggest thing wrong with Cavs. That and playing little sisters of the poor for competition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When will we see any of the teams get after this fall. Hawks , Express , RR , FCA or anyone else that matters. Enough of the no name whatever Green program and a Mad Lax team that was at the bottom of the league last year

I know!! I am in desperate need to live vicariously through my 8th grade son's meaningless Fall ball games

Ranking of D.C. Area teams
Express
Madlax
Next level
Express B
VLC/ club blue
Evergreen
Cavalier
Top cal
Next level b
Madlax b
Battle ax etc

DC Express should scrimmage MadLax Capitol to see who is actually the better team in NOVA. Both teams have access to fields, set it up.

Heard Hawks have a play day this weekend? With who?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard Hawks have a play day this weekend? With who?

The Bears.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard Hawks have a play day this weekend? With who?

Hawks and FCA having a joint practice this weekend. Both teams missing kids with football going on but should be fun for the boys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First of all, 3d 2022 was never that good. Second, don't know what you mean by the "entire 3d 2022 team." That team imploded. Know lots of former 3d 2022 players that now play for new teams. So it would be impossible for Evergreen to have gotten them all. Third, tell the Evergreen owner to quit all the annoying posts -- it is just making everyone hate his club. If you want to publicize your club, win some games first.

Names and the clubs they play for? No? Thought so.

Can't post names on this forum. Nice try...

As a disinterested (in these two clubs anyway) third party, reading about halfway between the extremes posted here and in the Madlax forum I have a pretty good idea what happened.

Evergreen probably did show up with less kids than they hoped they would have. And Madlax may have as well. So they probably ran drills with the two teams combined and had some situational and controlled scrimmage stuff. Probably fast break, man-up/man-down, half-field 6v6, and a little time full-field. I'd bet Madlax dictated most of the action but Evergreen probably did some nice things during the course of the practice. And maybe even scored a decent amount, might've even won a period of that.

Evergreen probably got a good idea of where they really are. If they do have a decent amount of the 3d 2022 team, that team was competitive at 'AA' last year, and I think even won the HoCo tournament, such as it is. Any team that can do that would certainly be competitive in 'AA' and probably pretty good at 'A.' Heck, if Next Level, FCA, and/or that god-awful Crabs team stay at Elite, Evergreen might even be able to win a game or two in that division. And Madlax Cap wasn't great in that division, so if Evergreen kind of hung with them (which is what I believe) then they should be able to compete some there.

Now if they didn't really get a bunch of those 3d kids, then yeah, they'll be lucky to compete at 'B' this year. But reading between the lines I'd be willing to bet they got better since last summer.

So I'd guess it wasn't an "absolute waste of time" for Madlax, but I highly doubt "there's a new sheriff in town" in Evergreen either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard Hawks have a play day this weekend? With who?

Best FOGO around playing for the 2023 Hawks; kid is ridiculously talented and makes that team that much better!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard Hawks have a play day this weekend? With who?

Best FOGO around playing for the 2023 Hawks; kid is ridiculously talented and makes that team that much better!!

Thanks Dad. But why are you posting this on the 2022 thread

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First of all, 3d 2022 was never that good. Second, don't know what you mean by the "entire 3d 2022 team." That team imploded. Know lots of former 3d 2022 players that now play for new teams. So it would be impossible for Evergreen to have gotten them all. Third, tell the Evergreen owner to quit all the annoying posts -- it is just making everyone hate his club. If you want to publicize your club, win some games first.

Names and the clubs they play for? No? Thought so.

Can't post names on this forum. Nice try...

As a disinterested (in these two clubs anyway) third party, reading about halfway between the extremes posted here and in the Madlax forum I have a pretty good idea what happened.

Evergreen probably did show up with less kids than they hoped they would have. And Madlax may have as well. So they probably ran drills with the two teams combined and had some situational and controlled scrimmage stuff. Probably fast break, man-up/man-down, half-field 6v6, and a little time full-field. I'd bet Madlax dictated most of the action but Evergreen probably did some nice things during the course of the practice. And maybe even scored a decent amount, might've even won a period of that.

Evergreen probably got a good idea of where they really are. If they do have a decent amount of the 3d 2022 team, that team was competitive at 'AA' last year, and I think even won the HoCo tournament, such as it is. Any team that can do that would certainly be competitive in 'AA' and probably pretty good at 'A.' Heck, if Next Level, FCA, and/or that god-awful Crabs team stay at Elite, Evergreen might even be able to win a game or two in that division. And Madlax Cap wasn't great in that division, so if Evergreen kind of hung with them (which is what I believe) then they should be able to compete some there.

Now if they didn't really get a bunch of those 3d kids, then yeah, they'll be lucky to compete at 'B' this year. But reading between the lines I'd be willing to bet they got better since last summer.

So I'd guess it wasn't an "absolute waste of time" for Madlax, but I highly doubt "there's a new sheriff in town" in Evergreen either.

Sorry, it wasn't competitive. EG put the ball in the net once during the entire practice. They're an A-B level team in HOCO. Nothing wrong with that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard Hawks have a play day this weekend? With who?

Best FOGO around playing for the 2023 Hawks; kid is ridiculously talented and makes that team that much better!!

Moron.

The problem is Evergreen did not get all the 3D kids and they did not have all their kids. They did some drills, which they get get the ball once or twice, really that was it. When they played on a full field it wasn't close. Madlax was also missing some keys players, but they would not have changed the outcome. It's going to be a "fun", key word "fun" spring in the Howard County league. Hopefully Evergreen will be competitive in whatever division they play in so that there will be more represtation from the NOVA are. Good luck to both teams, they are going to need it.

PS, if you were not there do not comment on the scrimmage. When you assume you make an a$$ of yourself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First of all, 3d 2022 was never that good. Second, don't know what you mean by the "entire 3d 2022 team." That team imploded. Know lots of former 3d 2022 players that now play for new teams. So it would be impossible for Evergreen to have gotten them all. Third, tell the Evergreen owner to quit all the annoying posts -- it is just making everyone hate his club. If you want to publicize your club, win some games first.

Names and the clubs they play for? No? Thought so.

Can't post names on this forum. Nice try...

As a disinterested (in these two clubs anyway) third party, reading about halfway between the extremes posted here and in the Madlax forum I have a pretty good idea what happened.

Evergreen probably did show up with less kids than they hoped they would have. And Madlax may have as well. So they probably ran drills with the two teams combined and had some situational and controlled scrimmage stuff. Probably fast break, man-up/man-down, half-field 6v6, and a little time full-field. I'd bet Madlax dictated most of the action but Evergreen probably did some nice things during the course of the practice. And maybe even scored a decent amount, might've even won a period of that.

Evergreen probably got a good idea of where they really are. If they do have a decent amount of the 3d 2022 team, that team was competitive at 'AA' last year, and I think even won the HoCo tournament, such as it is. Any team that can do that would certainly be competitive in 'AA' and probably pretty good at 'A.' Heck, if Next Level, FCA, and/or that god-awful Crabs team stay at Elite, Evergreen might even be able to win a game or two in that division. And Madlax Cap wasn't great in that division, so if Evergreen kind of hung with them (which is what I believe) then they should be able to compete some there.

Now if they didn't really get a bunch of those 3d kids, then yeah, they'll be lucky to compete at 'B' this year. But reading between the lines I'd be willing to bet they got better since last summer.

So I'd guess it wasn't an "absolute waste of time" for Madlax, but I highly doubt "there's a new sheriff in town" in Evergreen either.

If you weren't there, why would you waste everyone's time with your ASSumptions. It was mostly 6x6 half field drills. Madlax scored at will. If I remember correctly, Evergreen only scored once on a failed clear. If they had kept score, it would have been like 28-1. I am sure Evergreen is a fine program, but they are not ready for HoCo A levels.

Because he is a 2022 kid playing on a 2023 team

Evergreen won by 2. The stuff posted here are lies written to save Madlax from embarrassment.

This Evergreen group needs to go away. You have made this forum awful. The hold back stuff you to be annoying but at least it was true and pertained to all of the 2022 teams. Until you play one of the top programs in the area (Hawks, Express,RR, 91,FCA) stop with all the post. I am sure if you want a game with anyone of those team they will gladly have you up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen won by 2. The stuff posted here are lies written to save Madlax from embarrassment.

No way this is an Evergreen person posting. Either (1) someone trying to be funny or stir the pot or (2) A-hole Cavs parent (and there are a lot of them) jealous about Evergreen siphoning off good players and starting to beat Cavs in the older age groups.

This is pretty much right

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen won by 2. The stuff posted here are lies written to save Madlax from embarrassment.

No way this is an Evergreen person posting. Either (1) someone trying to be funny or stir the pot or (2) A-hole Cavs parent (and there are a lot of them) jealous about Evergreen siphoning off good players and starting to beat Cavs in the older age groups.

Partially correct. No Evergreen team is beating another team (no matter how bad), so that statement is incorrect.

Evergreen did not hang with Madlax, not even close. As for missing kids, both teams were down, big deal...wouldn't have changed what I saw. For the 3d kids that moved over tp Evergreen it is a downgrade, the 3d team last year was much better then the current Evergreen team.

MadCap lost the 3 games in Spring 2017 to the teams that finished above them in Elite Division. 3d went 4-2 in the AA division. Evergreen would prob win the A div this Spring and would go .500 or less in the "AA" division (assuming teams/division stay the same). Far from an Elite Team....now can we move on from all these parents trying to justify their move to Evergreen.

Evergreen won by 2 goals. Don't know why that Madlax dad keeps saying otherwise when we were all there.

The best 3d kids didn't go to EG.

They both are B level teams and 3D last year was the same. Even their best players belonged at the rec level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen won by 2 goals. Don't know why that Madlax dad keeps saying otherwise when we were all there.

Who plays this weekend. Please only comment if you know for a fact. These clowns from Madlax and Va are a trip.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who plays this weekend. Please only comment if you know for a fact. These clowns from Madlax and Va are a trip.

Not as bad as the Baltimorons

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who plays this weekend. Please only comment if you know for a fact. These clowns from Madlax and Va are a trip.

Not as bad as the Baltimorons

Are you serious? You people are total morons/idiots and total as*holes. Madlax organization and parents are simply pathetic to be around at a game, especially the fathers. They don't know the game but sit there and [lacrosse] at every call. That word idiots comes to mind again. Evergreen is showing they are just like the other DC and N Va clubs, total clueless idiots, all of them fall easily into this catagory. This is the Maryland section, go find your own or request your own section, you people are way too weak in lax IQ to be hanging out here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who plays this weekend. Please only comment if you know for a fact. These clowns from Madlax and Va are a trip.

Playday Games at umd. Hawks, D.C. Express, philly freedom, leading edge

Rumor is MM and 2022 have upgraded at the goalie in FO positions; this team could be the team to beat this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor is MM and 2022 have upgraded at the goalie in FO positions; this team could be the team to beat this year.

Hi, Team 88+3 2022 Goalie Dad!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor is MM and 2022 have upgraded at the goalie in FO positions; this team could be the team to beat this year.

#fakenews - 91MD Dad

So we are to believe that CM's email error in judgement was a one time thing and he "learned" from his mistakes? Hmmm...I have some land in Alaska that will become a tropical paradise next week....Madlax is money making machine...plain and simple...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who plays this weekend. Please only comment if you know for a fact. These clowns from Madlax and Va are a trip.

Not as bad as the Baltimorons

Are you serious? You people are total morons/idiots and total as*holes. Madlax organization and parents are simply pathetic to be around at a game, especially the fathers. They don't know the game but sit there and [lacrosse] at every call. That word idiots comes to mind again. Evergreen is showing they are just like the other DC and N Va clubs, total clueless idiots, all of them fall easily into this catagory. This is the Maryland section, go find your own or request your own section, you people are way too weak in lax IQ to be hanging out here.

This board is funny and if you read to much into any post then the idiot is the one looking in the mirror. I think the Evergreen posts are funny and sometimes interesting as they are bringing attention to themselves. The personal attacks on specific Hawks players and club owners are not funny or interesting to most people. However the best joke of all is the suggestion that Lax IQ has anything to do with any post I have ever read on this site.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who plays this weekend. Please only comment if you know for a fact. These clowns from Madlax and Va are a trip.

Not as bad as the Baltimorons

Are you serious? You people are total morons/idiots and total as*holes. Madlax organization and parents are simply pathetic to be around at a game, especially the fathers. They don't know the game but sit there and [lacrosse] at every call. That word idiots comes to mind again. Evergreen is showing they are just like the other DC and N Va clubs, total clueless idiots, all of them fall easily into this catagory. This is the Maryland section, go find your own or request your own section, you people are way too weak in lax IQ to be hanging out here.

Congrats. [lacrosse] post of the year thus far. Apparently you're Bill Tierney in your mind, meanwhile you're most likely some donk who played HS lax in Glen Burnie. STFU about how you're from MD, nobody cares except your parole and/or child services officer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor is MM and 2022 have upgraded at the goalie in FO positions; this team could be the team to beat this year.

Heard starting attack will be one of best in Nation this year. No teams will be able to stop.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who plays this weekend. Please only comment if you know for a fact. These clowns from Madlax and Va are a trip.

Not as bad as the Baltimorons

Are you serious? You people are total morons/idiots and total as*holes. Madlax organization and parents are simply pathetic to be around at a game, especially the fathers. They don't know the game but sit there and [lacrosse] at every call. That word idiots comes to mind again. Evergreen is showing they are just like the other DC and N Va clubs, total clueless idiots, all of them fall easily into this catagory. This is the Maryland section, go find your own or request your own section, you people are way too weak in lax IQ to be hanging out here.

Congrats. [lacrosse] post of the year thus far. Apparently you're Bill Tierney in your mind, meanwhile you're most likely some donk who played HS lax in Glen Burnie. STFU about how you're from MD, nobody cares except your parole and/or child services officer.

Good grief, is that the best you have? Really pathetic response but typical from a DC/N. Va lax pretender. Like was stated by the other poster, go get your own DC thread and stay the [lacrosse] out of the Md thread. No one wants to hear the useless dribble from the pretend fans from the DC area.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who plays this weekend. Please only comment if you know for a fact. These clowns from Madlax and Va are a trip.

Not as bad as the Baltimorons

Are you serious? You people are total morons/idiots and total as*holes. Madlax organization and parents are simply pathetic to be around at a game, especially the fathers. They don't know the game but sit there and [lacrosse] at every call. That word idiots comes to mind again. Evergreen is showing they are just like the other DC and N Va clubs, total clueless idiots, all of them fall easily into this catagory. This is the Maryland section, go find your own or request your own section, you people are way too weak in lax IQ to be hanging out here.

Congrats. [lacrosse] post of the year thus far. Apparently you're Bill Tierney in your mind, meanwhile you're most likely some donk who played HS lax in Glen Burnie. STFU about how you're from MD, nobody cares except your parole and/or child services officer.

Good grief, is that the best you have? Really pathetic response but typical from a DC/N. Va lax pretender. Like was stated by the other poster, go get your own DC thread and stay the [lacrosse] out of the Md thread. No one wants to hear the useless dribble from the pretend fans from the DC area.

Im from MD too and you're comments are not only embarrassing yourself, but also the rest of us from MD. Not sure if you've noticed, but there's some pretty good lacrosse and players from the DC area.

You sir are a [lacrosse].

What were the scores from the MD playday in college park?

That seems pretty much correct when do the tournaments start

RR is the most important . MM Fogo from last year went to RR . That is what RR was missing . MM new fogo came from API he is ok .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

RR is the most important . MM Fogo from last year went to RR . That is what RR was missing . MM new fogo came from API he is ok .

Improved? The API fogo to 91 is excellent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What were the scores from the MD playday in college park?

Dukes Nationals had a playday at MD college park last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What were the scores from the MD playday in college park?

Dukes Nationals had a playday at MD college park last year.

They lost both games also last year.

No,Dukes Nationals 2022 won both games last year at College Park

Very Quiet on here. Wonder why? 🤣

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very Quiet on here. Wonder why? 🤣

Please tell

No one gives a [lacrosse] about Dukes.

Hawks 3-0 on the day. DC Express needs more time to play together.

They destroy the Hawks 10-4 in Naptown

MM new fogo is small and gets pushed around a lot and loses the ball

10-4

Originally Posted by Anonymous

RR is the most important . MM Fogo from last year went to RR . That is what RR was missing . MM new fogo came from API he is ok .

Improved? The API fogo to 91 is excellent.

MM lost top Fogo and picked up API second string Fogo. Excellent!

DC Express will be a force come spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Express will be a force come spring.

Agreed, They played everyone tough and just need more time together. Hawks team has very good chemistry and will be hard to beat. Looks like same team from summer . Leading Edge and Freedom very good teams.

What team did this top goalie that went to 88+3 come from?

Express lost 3 of their best players to non-lax injuries in the last 2 weeks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Express will be a force come spring.

Total lie. DCE 2021 went 1-2. Shows that the guys they lost really weakened the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Express will be a force come spring.

Total lie. DCE 2021 went 1-2. Shows that the guys they lost really weakened the team.

DCE went 3-0 this weekend -

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Express will be a force come spring.

Total lie. DCE 2021 went 1-2. Shows that the guys they lost really weakened the team.

DCE went 3-0 this weekend -

They beat the Hawks?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Express will be a force come spring.

Total lie. DCE 2021 went 1-2. Shows that the guys they lost really weakened the team.

DCE went 3-0 this weekend -

They beat the Hawks?

Yes. DCE 2021 beat Hawks 2021. These idiots are talking 2021 on the 2022 forum.

DCE 21 beat hawks 15-2 - was 10-0 at half

DCE 21 did not lose any players - cut 4 who had no impact and added 7 from other clubs

Also beat freedom 5-0 and leading edge11-2

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Express will be a force come spring.

Total lie. DCE 2021 went 1-2. Shows that the guys they lost really weakened the team.

DCE went 3-0 this weekend -

They beat the Hawks?

Yes. DCE 2021 beat Hawks 2021. These idiots are talking 2021 on the 2022 forum.

DCE? They have a lot of work to do at 2022 level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Express will be a force come spring.

Agreed, They played everyone tough and just need more time together. Hawks team has very good chemistry and will be hard to beat. Looks like same team from summer . Leading Edge and Freedom very good teams.

Hawks very different from the summer when we played them. Several new kids. 2 fogos now. The new one looks better than the one from last year. Couple new big middies and defense. Only had 1 goalie this year. Still the team to beat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DCE 21 beat hawks 15-2 - was 10-0 at half

DCE 21 did not lose any players - cut 4 who had no impact and added 7 from other clubs

Also beat freedom 5-0 and leading edge11-2

Hawks 2022 beat DCE 2021 in an indoor game last winter.

The Hawks 2022 look a high school Jv team with all the reclass kids. They do have great
Skills and Lacrosse IQ. They will tuff to beat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks 2022 look a high school Jv team with all the reclass kids. They do have great
Skills and Lacrosse IQ. They will tuff to beat.

All elite teams look like JV teams. In order to be an elite team, you need to recruit the kids that reclassed. I don't think there is an elite team out there with more than half the starting line-up born after 9/1/2003. Sad - but that's the way lacrosse is today.

The Hawks 2022 hold backs are the smallest players on that team.

Far more football players are holdbacks but you do not hear football parents squeal and whine about holdbacks as much as lax parents. Just play. Life is unfair. If some other parents want to hold their kid back due to sports, immaturity or any other reason and go to the trouble of reclassifying their kid, I do not care. As long as you are not 19 when you enter your senior year, VA high schools do not care either. If your kid is good enough, it will not matter, especially with the new NCAA recruiting rules.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks 2022 hold backs are the smallest players on that team.

Hawks were the smallest team this weekend. All the teams looked evenly matched. 8th grade everyone is growing and catching up. Express was big at almost every position and Freedom too. A lot of good lacrosse this weekend for fall ball

There is a forum now for the holdback comments and those that have not gotten over it. Wether you agree or disagree that is the forum for it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Far more football players are holdbacks but you do not hear football parents squeal and whine about holdbacks as much as lax parents. Just play. Life is unfair. If some other parents want to hold their kid back due to sports, immaturity or any other reason and go to the trouble of reclassifying their kid, I do not care. As long as you are not 19 when you enter your senior year, VA high schools do not care either. If your kid is good enough, it will not matter, especially with the new NCAA recruiting rules.

Complete garbage..The main holdback venom is directed at youth under 9th grade, Football has clear age restrictions in place at youth level.

HS is were it evens out a lot..but there will always be some slight advantage to being a year older than everyone else in your class.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks 2022 look a high school Jv team with all the reclass kids. They do have great
Skills and Lacrosse IQ. They will tuff to beat.

All elite teams look like JV teams. In order to be an elite team, you need to recruit the kids that reclassed. I don't think there is an elite team out there with more than half the starting line-up born after 9/1/2003. Sad - but that's the way lacrosse is today.

So true..Why YOUTH sports needs to carve out a select few to get an advantage is a mystery. Gives the game of lacrosse at Youth level a bad reputation. Tell anyone what goes on about holdbacks and younger teams and they have this ..what?? expression.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Far more football players are holdbacks but you do not hear football parents squeal and whine about holdbacks as much as lax parents. Just play. Life is unfair. If some other parents want to hold their kid back due to sports, immaturity or any other reason and go to the trouble of reclassifying their kid, I do not care. As long as you are not 19 when you enter your senior year, VA high schools do not care either. If your kid is good enough, it will not matter, especially with the new NCAA recruiting rules.

I know shut up already. Everyone is holding back or taking a PG year. Get used to it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks 2022 hold backs are the smallest players on that team.

And also their leading scorers.

Your saying to be elite you need to reclass . That’s sad

I am not here to [lacrosse] about older kids vs. Younger kids but I will tell you I know of at least one team that has only 1 or 2 kid that are above the US lacrosse age cut off and they are very elite. It is all about coaching period. Good coaching makes goI'd lacrosse players not age.

"And also their leading scorers"

Really?

A goalie and a D-Pole are their leading scorers? That's impressive......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks 2022 look a high school Jv team with all the reclass kids. They do have great
Skills and Lacrosse IQ. They will tuff to beat.

All elite teams look like JV teams. In order to be an elite team, you need to recruit the kids that reclassed. I don't think there is an elite team out there with more than half the starting line-up born after 9/1/2003. Sad - but that's the way lacrosse is today.

That statement is patently false. My son's elite team is comprised primarily of public school boys and the starting lineup does not include a single holdback. The team does not recruit hold backs, they simply develop the kids to play at a high level regardless of their age. I don't begrudge the teams that are stocked with older kids, but it's moronic to suggest that they are a required to be successful in this sport.

"And also their leading scorers"

Really?

So a goalie and D-Pole are their leading scorers? Impressive!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Far more football players are holdbacks but you do not hear football parents squeal and whine about holdbacks as much as lax parents. Just play. Life is unfair. If some other parents want to hold their kid back due to sports, immaturity or any other reason and go to the trouble of reclassifying their kid, I do not care. As long as you are not 19 when you enter your senior year, VA high schools do not care either. If your kid is good enough, it will not matter, especially with the new NCAA recruiting rules.

That is 100% not true, parents squeal all the time. In 8th grade, a holdback has a much bigger impact on a football game. This kid is 15 playing against 13 & 14-year-old, he is 200lbs runs a 4.6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6A1vpVKXgg&t=117s

No one player in lacrosse can impact a game like one player in football.

It is called a competitive advantage. If a parent and a kid want to use rules that are in place to their advantage because sport is that important to them, they can do it. The issue is the parents are not well informed as scholarship money is far higher for Merit scholarships that Lax. If the parents were smart, they would let their kid enjoy Lax, stop club hoping, stop buying into the recruiting scam and get a tutor so the kids gets merit money. As someone who has already been through this, some parents really show their dearth of knowledge with this topic. Education is really what it is all about. Sad the parents are uneducated on this topic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"And also their leading scorers"

Really?

A goalie and a D-Pole are their leading scorers? That's impressive......

Both goalies, best middie, best attack....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks 2022 look a high school Jv team with all the reclass kids. They do have great
Skills and Lacrosse IQ. They will tuff to beat.

All elite teams look like JV teams. In order to be an elite team, you need to recruit the kids that reclassed. I don't think there is an elite team out there with more than half the starting line-up born after 9/1/2003. Sad - but that's the way lacrosse is today.

That statement is patently false. My son's elite team is comprised primarily of public school boys and the starting lineup does not include a single holdback. The team does not recruit hold backs, they simply develop the kids to play at a high level regardless of their age. I don't begrudge the teams that are stocked with older kids, but it's moronic to suggest that they are a required to be successful in this sport.

I call bull on this one. No team in the HOCO elite division starts no holdbacks. Except maybe Next Level who didn’t win a game and didn’t belong in the division and I’m sure even they had holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks 2022 look a high school Jv team with all the reclass kids. They do have great
Skills and Lacrosse IQ. They will tuff to beat.

All elite teams look like JV teams. In order to be an elite team, you need to recruit the kids that reclassed. I don't think there is an elite team out there with more than half the starting line-up born after 9/1/2003. Sad - but that's the way lacrosse is today.

That statement is patently false. My son's elite team is comprised primarily of public school boys and the starting lineup does not include a single holdback. The team does not recruit hold backs, they simply develop the kids to play at a high level regardless of their age. I don't begrudge the teams that are stocked with older kids, but it's moronic to suggest that they are a required to be successful in this sport.

I call bull on this one. No team in the HOCO elite division starts no holdbacks. Except maybe Next Level who didn’t win a game and didn’t belong in the division and I’m sure even they had holdbacks.

Call bull all you want.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"And also their leading scorers"

Really?

So a goalie and D-Pole are their leading scorers? Impressive!!

Well the goailes a D-Pole are not their smallest players VF7

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor is MM and 2022 have upgraded at the goalie in FO positions; this team could be the team to beat this year.

Heard starting attack will be one of best in Nation this year. No teams will be able to stop.

Will MM allow more than one attackman to shoot this year?

Evergreen 2022 beating Madlax 2022 by 2 goals is impressive jo matter how you spin it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"And also their leading scorers"

Really?

A goalie and a D-Pole are their leading scorers? That's impressive......

Both goalies, best middie, best attack....

One of the goalies is a 7th grader. Check your sources again.

Their is money in football, basketball and baseball . I just don’t get holding your child back in lacrosse . Most of the kids will not play D1

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"And also their leading scorers"

Really?

A goalie and a D-Pole are their leading scorers? That's impressive......

Both goalies, best middie, best attack....

One of the goalies is a 7th grader. Check your sources again.

You're not even trying. They were both 2021s at some point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"And also their leading scorers"

Really?

A goalie and a D-Pole are their leading scorers? That's impressive......

Both goalies, best middie, best attack....

One of the goalies is a 7th grader. Check your sources again.

You're not even trying. They were both 2021s at some point.

Maybe, just maybe one of them played up? Check your sources and try again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor is MM and 2022 have upgraded at the goalie in FO positions; this team could be the team to beat this year.

Heard starting attack will be one of best in Nation this year. No teams will be able to stop.

Will MM allow more than one attackman to shoot this year?

LOL!!! Of course not. Why let anyone else shoot ?? Crazy think man, think!

Which programs are.playing in the fall classie in the sunday?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Which programs are.playing in the fall classie in the sunday?

Well I can promise you one club that is not playing anyone good this Fall and its name is {Evergreen}

The

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Which programs are.playing in the fall classie in the sunday?

Well I can promise you one club that is not playing anyone good this Fall and its name is {Evergreen}

The Aloha tournament on Nov 5th?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Which programs are.playing in the fall classie in the sunday?

Well I can promise you one club that is not playing anyone good this Fall and its name is {Evergreen}

The Aloha tournament on Nov 5th?

B teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Which programs are.playing in the fall classie in the sunday?

Well I can promise you one club that is not playing anyone good this Fall and its name is {Evergreen}

The Aloha tournament on Nov 5th?

B teams. The big boy tourney that weekend on Nov 5 is the Crabs Fall Tourney at McDonough.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Which programs are.playing in the fall classie in the sunday?

Well I can promise you one club that is not playing anyone good this Fall and its name is {Evergreen}

The Aloha tournament on Nov 5th?

B teams. The big boy tourney that weekend on Nov 5 is the Crabs Fall Tourney at McDonough.

What 2022 teams are playing in the Battle on Bay and Crabs Fall tourney in a few weeks?

I assume the usuals including Hawks, Crabs, API, MadLax, FCA, etc...who else? RR, 91, BLC/DCE?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Which programs are.playing in the fall classie in the sunday?

Well I can promise you one club that is not playing anyone good this Fall and its name is {Evergreen}

The Aloha tournament on Nov 5th?

B teams. The big boy tourney that weekend on Nov 5 is the Crabs Fall Tourney at McDonough.

What 2022 teams are playing in the Battle on Bay and Crabs Fall tourney in a few weeks?

I assume the usuals including Hawks, Crabs, API, MadLax, FCA, etc...who else? RR, 91, BLC/DCE?

Tough to say since neither tournament has a website. Dukes is playing in Battle on the Bay

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Which programs are.playing in the fall classie in the sunday?

Well I can promise you one club that is not playing anyone good this Fall and its name is {Evergreen}

The Aloha tournament on Nov 5th?

B teams. The big boy tourney that weekend on Nov 5 is the Crabs Fall Tourney at McDonough.

What 2022 teams are playing in the Battle on Bay and Crabs Fall tourney in a few weeks?

I assume the usuals including Hawks, Crabs, API, MadLax, FCA, etc...who else? RR, 91, BLC/DCE?

Tough to say since neither tournament has a website. Dukes is playing in Battle on the Bay

I know some of the good 22 teams out there are being invited to the Battle on the Bay - TX Mustangs and Duke Nationals are joining.

Hawks, Igloo and Express were all there last year too

I herd Igloo not going his year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I herd Igloo not going his year

that s too bad , good team and always tough to play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I herd Igloo not going his year

that s too bad , good team and always tough to play.

With Dukes Nationals playing this year no one wants to come down from LI after the beat down LI Express took in August.

Bringing 2022’s to play express’ ‘b’ 2023 team - yes we on Long Island are very afraid!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I herd Igloo not going his year

that s too bad , good team and always tough to play.

With Dukes Nationals playing this year no one wants to come down from LI after the beat down LI Express took in August.

I'm confused aren't 1/2 the player's on dukes from LI?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bringing 2022’s to play express’ ‘b’ 2023 team - yes we on Long Island are very afraid!

Whatever. This is the 2022 forum. The 2022 Dukes team played the Channy team and beat them 12-3. Don’t know what happened in the 2023 game but I heard the 2023 Express A team backed out so Dukes had to beat up on the B team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bringing 2022’s to play express’ ‘b’ 2023 team - yes we on Long Island are very afraid!

Whatever. This is the 2022 forum. The 2022 Dukes team played the Channy team and beat them 12-3. Don’t know what happened in the 2023 game but I heard the 2023 Express A team backed out so Dukes had to beat up on the B team.

Who are the Dukes?

give me a break so why is Igloo not going they won it last year in fall and won the million championship Express and Igloo are the best team in the age hands down

Originally Posted by Anonymous

give me a break so why is Igloo not going they won it last year in fall and won the million championship Express and Igloo are the best team in the age hands down

It is obvious these NY posters have no idea who Evergreen is or they would not make this claim.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

give me a break so why is Igloo not going they won it last year in fall and won the million championship Express and Igloo are the best team in the age hands down

It is obvious these NY posters have no idea who Evergreen is or they would not make this claim.

I had a dream of being the best TROLL on this website. This guy with the Evergreen posts has taken the title. You should post your full name so you get full credit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bringing 2022’s to play express’ ‘b’ 2023 team - yes we on Long Island are very afraid!

Whatever. This is the 2022 forum. The 2022 Dukes team played the Channy team and beat them 12-3. Don’t know what happened in the 2023 game but I heard the 2023 Express A team backed out so Dukes had to beat up on the B team.

Who are the Dukes?

A bunch of random guest players from teams not playing a particular weekend or from teams eliminated earlier in the tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

give me a break so why is Igloo not going they won it last year in fall and won the million championship Express and Igloo are the best team in the age hands down

Hands down ? You might be able to claim that on other forums but this is a Md forum. LI teams will be there because they know there is no real competition up there.

Igloo the best team!!!! 2022 national champs MD said it all summer that the million tournament was the real world championship long island has the best team !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Igloo the best team!!!! 2022 national champs MD said it all summer that the million tournament was the real world championship long island has the best team !

Team 9+1 MD is best this coming year. Picked up some new players that will make an impact. You heard it here first. Team to Beat!

Heard their goalie left.
Hard to be the team to beat with a new goalie.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard their goalie left.
Hard to be the team to beat with a new goalie.

Plus they lost their FOGO who is really good. Will be hard for MM to replace that position. But no matter, as long as his son has the
ball and is shooting all is good with MM. Almost every play is designed to get his son the ball so he can shoot. Kind of pathetic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard their goalie left.
Hard to be the team to beat with a new goalie.

Goalie and FOGO left 2022 9+1 Md and their replacements are nearly as good. If anything this team took a major step backwards from last year.

new Team 91 goalie a huge step up from previous goalie. Was watching while at my sons FCA practice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

new Team 91 goalie a huge step up from previous goalie. Was watching while at my sons FCA practice.

What else did you see?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard their goalie left.
Hard to be the team to beat with a new goalie.

Goalie and FOGO left 2022 9+1 Md and their replacements are nearly as good. If anything this team took a major step backwards from last year.

Hmm! Answers to this one soon to come. Games will be the tell.

Just like last year there will be a ton of very competitive games this fall,spring and summer. This fall will be a good indicator on what teams will need to work on for the spring season.

If your team lost good players or didn't gain better players than you are playing catch up. The teams that actually gained better players have improved without even being coached yet. Those that lost the good players and couldn't keep them or didn't upgrade are going to have a tough time. If a player left a club to join another it usually means some where it wasn't working. Wether it is the coaching or playing time. To not be able and keep your studs speaks volumes about that team. After this year all the teams will be changing just because of the High School landscape makes it so, but this year teams that have stayed intact and gained good players have there advantage right from the start.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

new Team 91 goalie a huge step up from previous goalie. Was watching while at my sons FCA practice.

Where did this stud free agent come from?

Who is the favorite for Aloha's Brine Indian Summer this weekend? FCA, Wild, Breakers, Cavalier?

[quote=Anonymous]Who is the favorite for Aloha's Brine Indian Summer this weekend? FCA, Wild, Breakers, Cavalier?[

Who cares? If Cavalier is playing in it, you know it's a terrible bracket and/or tournament.

I think there is little debate that Hawks are the best team in this grade. Are they the best at recruiting talented players or is the coaching that good?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think there is little debate that Hawks are the best team in this grade. Are they the best at recruiting talented players or is the coaching that good?

Could be either but they have a good number of holdbacks at this age (2022) and that really helps. The denials ill soon start but it is a known fact they have quite a few holdbacks, seems more that other clubs at this age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Who is the favorite for Aloha's Brine Indian Summer this weekend? FCA, Wild, Breakers, Cavalier?[

Who cares? If Cavalier is playing in it, you know it's a terrible bracket and/or tournament.

Someday your child will make the Cavaliers...until then, stop being so jealous!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Who is the favorite for Aloha's Brine Indian Summer this weekend? FCA, Wild, Breakers, Cavalier?[

Who cares? If Cavalier is playing in it, you know it's a terrible bracket and/or tournament.

If he becomes a true elite player then Evergreen might be in his future

Someday your child will make the Cavaliers...until then, stop being so jealous!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think there is little debate that Hawks are the best team in this grade. Are they the best at recruiting talented players or is the coaching that good?

You take the best kids from the NPYLL championship winning Cannons and add them to a pretty good Hawks team and you get a really great team. Then add a couple kids reclassing from Crabs 2021 and you get an even better team.

So recruiting played a big part.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think there is little debate that Hawks are the best team in this grade. Are they the best at recruiting talented players or is the coaching that good?

You take the best kids from the NPYLL championship winning Cannons and add them to a pretty good Hawks team and you get a really great team. Then add a couple kids reclassing from Crabs 2021 and you get an even better team.

So recruiting played a big part.

This year they added some API kids also.

Have you seen there coaching staff? Pretty impressive just like almost every other top elite team . The age group has a ton of very good coaches and support from every level of lacrosse. HAWKS,API,91,FCA,DCE,RR,Crabs.all top teams in elite level have holdbacks and it's no secret to anyone. Who cares if a team might have 1 more than another team. Unless you are speaking for a specific team and know exactly the rosters, making comments about a roster at this level is petty. All these teams will be very good and will be hard to beat. Great competition all around.

91 MD will be the team to beat this year.

How did the crabs look today vs API?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 MD will be the team to beat this year.

Got that right...and will be lead by the attack, Best in nation at this time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 MD will be the team to beat this year.

Got that right...and will be lead by the attack, Best in nation at this time.

I heard he was out with a broken back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did the crabs look today vs API?

Heard Crabs won 10-4.

Crabs blow.
91 has replacement players-stepping back to B.
New #1 team this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think there is little debate that Hawks are the best team in this grade. Are they the best at recruiting talented players or is the coaching that good?

You take the best kids from the NPYLL championship winning Cannons and add them to a pretty good Hawks team and you get a really great team. Then add a couple kids reclassing from Crabs 2021 and you get an even better team.

So recruiting played a big part.

I was wondering what happened to the Cannons team. How many are with the Hawks?

Who played this weekend

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have you seen there coaching staff? Pretty impressive just like almost every other top elite team . The age group has a ton of very good coaches and support from every level of lacrosse. HAWKS,API,91,FCA,DCE,RR,Crabs.all top teams in elite level have holdbacks and it's no secret to anyone. Who cares if a team might have 1 more than another team. Unless you are speaking for a specific team and know exactly the rosters, making comments about a roster at this level is petty. All these teams will be very good and will be hard to beat. Great competition all around.

I don't think coaching has had much of an impact. The best kids 4 years ago are the best kids now. Dads are responsible for most of the player development at this age. Collecting the talent on to one team accounts for which is the best team.

Cavalier 2022 wins the 1st tournament of the fall. Look for them to be a force this spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavalier 2022 wins the 1st tournament of the fall. Look for them to be a force this spring.

Agreed. Big time win over FCA to win the championship. Beating a big time club like FCA gives our boys tons of confidence. Several ofbus are lobbying to play AA in HoCo this spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavalier 2022 wins the 1st tournament of the fall. Look for them to be a force this spring.

Agreed. Big time win over FCA to win the championship. Beating a big time club like FCA gives our boys tons of confidence. Several ofbus are lobbying to play AA in HoCo this spring.

Cavalier would do well in AA. FCA white struggled in that division, as did FCA blue in the Elite division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavalier 2022 wins the 1st tournament of the fall. Look for them to be a force this spring.

Agreed. Big time win over FCA to win the championship. Beating a big time club like FCA gives our boys tons of confidence. Several ofbus are lobbying to play AA in HoCo this spring.

Cavalier would do well in AA. FCA white struggled in that division, as did FCA blue in the Elite division.

Cavs beat FCA's 2002 B team by one goal. Whoopty-F'ing-Doo. Play a real NLF tournament and see what happens. You already know the answer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavalier 2022 wins the 1st tournament of the fall. Look for them to be a force this spring.

Agreed. Big time win over FCA to win the championship. Beating a big time club like FCA gives our boys tons of confidence. Several ofbus are lobbying to play AA in HoCo this spring.

Cavalier would do well in AA. FCA white struggled in that division, as did FCA blue in the Elite division.

Cavs beat FCA's 2002 B team by one goal. Whoopty-F'ing-Doo. Play a real NLF tournament and see what happens. You already know the answer.

Record speaks for itself. Cavs will dominate in AA. Then we will see what you say about the NLF teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did the crabs look today vs API?

Heard Crabs won 10-4.

Is API off or have the Crabs improved that much?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavalier 2022 wins the 1st tournament of the fall. Look for them to be a force this spring.

Agreed. Big time win over FCA to win the championship. Beating a big time club like FCA gives our boys tons of confidence. Several ofbus are lobbying to play AA in HoCo this spring.

Cavalier would do well in AA. FCA white struggled in that division, as did FCA blue in the Elite division.

Cavs beat FCA's 2002 B team by one goal. Whoopty-F'ing-Doo. Play a real NLF tournament and see what happens. You already know the answer.

The guys on FCA 2002 are now 35 years old. A 8th grade team beating a bunch of 35 year olds is pretty impressive in my book.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavalier 2022 wins the 1st tournament of the fall. Look for them to be a force this spring.

Agreed. Big time win over FCA to win the championship. Beating a big time club like FCA gives our boys tons of confidence. Several ofbus are lobbying to play AA in HoCo this spring.

Cavalier would do well in AA. FCA white struggled in that division, as did FCA blue in the Elite division.

So AA is not the top tier? Well, no matter if it's called Elite or AA, Cavalier proved they belong with the best teams in the country. That was an impressive win beating FCA's 2022 team. If you didn't know, FCA is an excellent club that is always among the best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavalier 2022 wins the 1st tournament of the fall. Look for them to be a force this spring.

Agreed. Big time win over FCA to win the championship. Beating a big time club like FCA gives our boys tons of confidence. Several ofbus are lobbying to play AA in HoCo this spring.

You are aware that they beat FCA's "B" team? By a goal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did the crabs look today vs API?

Heard Crabs won 10-4.

Is API off or have the Crabs improved that much?

Crabs has not improved all that much. They do have a FOGO now at least and RM has brought a couple kids in from Texas and one from California to try to help. Not sure how often the out of state kids will be there. Best player on the team is a 2023 playing up. RM will do whatever he has to in order to make sure a team he coaches is competitive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavalier 2022 wins the 1st tournament of the fall. Look for them to be a force this spring.

Agreed. Big time win over FCA to win the championship. Beating a big time club like FCA gives our boys tons of confidence. Several ofbus are lobbying to play AA in HoCo this spring.

Cavalier would do well in AA. FCA white struggled in that division, as did FCA blue in the Elite division.

So AA is not the top tier? Well, no matter if it's called Elite or AA, Cavalier proved they belong with the best teams in the country. That was an impressive win beating FCA's 2022 team. If you didn't know, FCA is an excellent club that is always among the best.

I can't tell if you are trolling or serious. You realize that was FCA's "B" team at Indian Summer?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavalier 2022 wins the 1st tournament of the fall. Look for them to be a force this spring.

Agreed. Big time win over FCA to win the championship. Beating a big time club like FCA gives our boys tons of confidence. Several ofbus are lobbying to play AA in HoCo this spring.

Cavalier would do well in AA. FCA white struggled in that division, as did FCA blue in the Elite division.

So AA is not the top tier? Well, no matter if it's called Elite or AA, Cavalier proved they belong with the best teams in the country. That was an impressive win beating FCA's 2022 team. If you didn't know, FCA is an excellent club that is always among the best.

I can't tell if you are trolling or serious. You realize that was FCA's "B" team at Indian Summer?

Exactly! If you didn't know, FCA has two 2022 teams. An "A" team and a "B" team. If your precious little Cavs team beat the "B" team by one goal, chances are your son would not even make the FCA "A" team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did the crabs look today vs API?

Heard Crabs won 10-4.

Is API off or have the Crabs improved that much?

Crabs has not improved all that much. They do have a FOGO now at least and RM has brought a couple kids in from Texas and one from California to try to help. Not sure how often the out of state kids will be there. Best player on the team is a 2023 playing up. RM will do whatever he has to in order to make sure a team he coaches is competitive.

No doubt, any thoughts on where they finish in Hoco? I'm guessing they will continue to upgrade their roster and use they seasoned coaching staff to "coach them up".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did the crabs look today vs API?

Heard Crabs won 10-4.

Is API off or have the Crabs improved that much?

Crabs has not improved all that much. They do have a FOGO now at least and RM has brought a couple kids in from Texas and one from California to try to help. Not sure how often the out of state kids will be there. Best player on the team is a 2023 playing up. RM will do whatever he has to in order to make sure a team he coaches is competitive.

I really hope that you are a kid using your parents computer and not an adult because who has the time or energy to report on a team in fall ball? Get a life loser...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did the crabs look today vs API?

Heard Crabs won 10-4.

Is API off or have the Crabs improved that much?

Crabs has not improved all that much. They do have a FOGO now at least and RM has brought a couple kids in from Texas and one from California to try to help. Not sure how often the out of state kids will be there. Best player on the team is a 2023 playing up. RM will do whatever he has to in order to make sure a team he coaches is competitive.

I really hope that you are a kid using your parents computer and not an adult because who has the time or energy to report on a team in fall ball? Get a life loser...

Sorry your son didnt make the Crabs ! Misplaced anger. Hit the Wall!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did the crabs look today vs API?

Heard Crabs won 10-4.

Is API off or have the Crabs improved that much?

Crabs has not improved all that much. They do have a FOGO now at least and RM has brought a couple kids in from Texas and one from California to try to help. Not sure how often the out of state kids will be there. Best player on the team is a 2023 playing up. RM will do whatever he has to in order to make sure a team he coaches is competitive.

I really hope that you are a kid using your parents computer and not an adult because who has the time or energy to report on a team in fall ball? Get a life loser...

Sorry your son didnt make the Crabs ! Misplaced anger. Hit the Wall!!

Is this a joke? Half of their new roster is kids that were cut from or couldn't make other teams so they showed up at Crabs tryouts.

Is this a joke? Half of their new roster is kids that were cut from or couldn't make other teams so they showed up at Crabs tryouts. [/quote]

No, you seem to be the joke. You really have no idea what you are talking about and are way off base. I assume you go around scouting all the kids in youth lacrosse and know where they previously played? Sorry sir, you are a loser.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this a joke? Half of their new roster is kids that were cut from or couldn't make other teams so they showed up at Crabs tryouts.

No, you seem to be the joke. You really have no idea what you are talking about and are way off base. I assume you go around scouting all the kids in youth lacrosse and know where they previously played? Sorry sir, you are a loser.[/quote]

Scouting? No. But the kids all go to school together. It's no secret where kids played the last few years. Sorry to have struck a nerve.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this a joke? Half of their new roster is kids that were cut from or couldn't make other teams so they showed up at Crabs tryouts.

No, you seem to be the joke. You really have no idea what you are talking about and are way off base. I assume you go around scouting all the kids in youth lacrosse and know where they previously played? Sorry sir, you are a loser.[/quote]
Sorry your kid got cut from FCA.

Api is weak this year they don’t have a good elite Fogo he went to the hawks.They will not be able to control the ball without winning the face off. Crabs crushed them .

B'more Fall Classic schedules are posted. Great group of teams for 2022.

Express North
MD Roughriders
Madlax

Crabs
FCA
West Coast Starz

DC Express
Edge
Team 91 Md

API
Looneys
Mesa

Oh, I get it. Cavalier beats FCA - a great club - and you guys don't want to give us a seat at the big kids' table. LOL. Not every club beats FCA, and our 2022 AND 2023 teams beat them to win championships.

God, you guys suck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh, I get it. Cavalier beats FCA - a great club - and you guys don't want to give us a seat at the big kids' table. LOL. Not every club beats FCA, and our 2022 AND 2023 teams beat them to win championships.

God, you guys suck.

This must be trolling. Cavs beat FCA’s B teams this weekend. Example of what happens when Cavs sits at big kids table - see major butt kicking that Next Level 2023 gave Cavs 2023 earlier this month. Next Level did not even have some key players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh, I get it. Cavalier beats FCA - a great club - and you guys don't want to give us a seat at the big kids' table. LOL. Not every club beats FCA, and our 2022 AND 2023 teams beat them to win championships.

God, you guys suck.

Your club is a fraud. Enter an AA tourney and then we can have a conversation, until you do that Cavalier is irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh, I get it. Cavalier beats FCA - a great club - and you guys don't want to give us a seat at the big kids' table. LOL. Not every club beats FCA, and our 2022 AND 2023 teams beat them to win championships.

God, you guys suck.

Your club is a fraud. Enter an AA tourney and then we can have a conversation, until you do that Cavalier is irrelevant.

Cavs is the new Evergreen.

Hawks Dukes rematch this Saturday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh, I get it. Cavalier beats FCA - a great club - and you guys don't want to give us a seat at the big kids' table. LOL. Not every club beats FCA, and our 2022 AND 2023 teams beat them to win championships.

God, you guys suck.

Your club is a fraud. Enter an AA tourney and then we can have a conversation, until you do that Cavalier is irrelevant.

Cavs is the new Evergreen.

Cavs 2022 can not even beat Evergreen 2022.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks Dukes rematch this Saturday.

Wrong but I wish you weren't.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks Dukes rematch this Saturday.

10-4 good buddy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks Dukes rematch this Saturday.

Wrong but I wish you weren't.

Battle of the Bay?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh, I get it. Cavalier beats FCA - a great club - and you guys don't want to give us a seat at the big kids' table. LOL. Not every club beats FCA, and our 2022 AND 2023 teams beat them to win championships.

God, you guys suck.

Your club is a fraud. Enter an AA tourney and then we can have a conversation, until you do that Cavalier is irrelevant.

Cavs is the new Evergreen.

Cavs 2022 can not even beat Evergreen 2022.

Wasn't that FCA White, their second team at this grade?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks Dukes rematch this Saturday.

Wrong but I wish you weren't.

What do you mean wrong? Hawks plays Dukes Saturday morning at Battle of the Bay. As usual in fall there will be kids missing but still should be a good game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh, I get it. Cavalier beats FCA - a great club - and you guys don't want to give us a seat at the big kids' table. LOL. Not every club beats FCA, and our 2022 AND 2023 teams beat them to win championships.

God, you guys suck.

Your club is a fraud. Enter an AA tourney and then we can have a conversation, until you do that Cavalier is irrelevant.

Cavs is the new Evergreen.

Cavs 2022 can not even beat Evergreen 2022.

Wasn't that FCA White, their second team at this grade?

Both FCA teams that lost were White teams. This is not a Cavalier parent is my guess and is just stirring things up.

Can someone post the Battle of the Bay schedule. My son's games were posted to the teamsnap, but I'm curious who else will be there. Is there no online schedule?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone post the Battle of the Bay schedule. My son's games were posted to the teamsnap, but I'm curious who else will be there. Is there no online schedule?

2022's

Sat 11:00
Hawks vs. Dukes
Madlax vs. TX Mustangs
Richmond Hawks vs. Juiced Cherries
Leading Edge vs. Sweetlax

Sat 1:00
Hawks vs. VA Dukes
Dukes vs. Sweetlax
MadLax vs. Leading Edge
TX Mustangs vs. Juiced Cherries

Sat 3:00
Richmond Hawks vs. VA Dukes
Juiced Cherries vs. Leading Edge

Sun 11:00
Hawks vs. TX Mustangs
Dukes vs. VA Dukes
Richmond Hawks vs. Juiced Cherries
MadLax vs. SweetLax

Sun 1:00
Hawks vs. Leading Edge
Dukes vs. MadLax
TX Mustangs vs. Richmond Hawks
Sweetlax vs. VA Dukes

Sun 3:00 - Championship/Consolation games

No igloo or Express ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No igloo or Express ?

Igloo 2023 and LI Express 2024 will be there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No igloo or Express ?

Igloo 2023 and LI Express 2024 will be there.

New [lacrosse] kids have the Catholic High School entrance exam on Saturday morning so neither team is going to MD this weekend -- they are playing in an Express one-day tournament instead. I'm sure they will be back next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh, I get it. Cavalier beats FCA - a great club - and you guys don't want to give us a seat at the big kids' table. LOL. Not every club beats FCA, and our 2022 AND 2023 teams beat them to win championships.

God, you guys suck.

Your club is a fraud. Enter an AA tourney and then we can have a conversation, until you do that Cavalier is irrelevant.

Cavs is the new Evergreen.

Cavs 2022 can not even beat Evergreen 2022.

Wasn't that FCA White, their second team at this grade?

Both FCA teams that lost were White teams. This is not a Cavalier parent is my guess and is just stirring things up.

Do see Cavs trumpeting their wins over FCA on Facebook. Pathetic. FCA's A teams would beat Cavs by 10 goals or more. An undermanned Next Level 2023 team tore Cavs "Look at us, we've won 4 tournaments in a row" 2023 apart a couple weekends ago. Maybe they will step thing up for the next tourney .......oh wait, Williamsburg. How many times do you need to beat BattleLax, EKLC and Evergreen?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do see Cavs trumpeting their wins over FCA on Facebook. Pathetic. FCA's A teams would beat Cavs by 10 goals or more. An undermanned Next Level 2023 team tore Cavs "Look at us, we've won 4 tournaments in a row" 2023 apart a couple weekends ago. Maybe they will step thing up for the next tourney .......oh wait, Williamsburg. How many times do you need to beat BattleLax, EKLC and Evergreen?

So only Elite teams should be celebrating their team's successes on social media? Is it OK if they include an asterisk so everyone knows it's a B tournament? Should they specify that it was actually FCA's B team? Why all the insecurity about what these have-not clubs do? Could it be that your club underperforms at whatever level they play in, so the only thing left is to pick apart the teams playing in lower divisions?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

B'more Fall Classic schedules are posted. Great group of teams for 2022.

Express North
MD Roughriders
Madlax

Crabs
FCA
West Coast Starz

DC Express
Edge
Team 91 Md

API
Looneys
Mesa

This is the tournament to be at

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone post the Battle of the Bay schedule. My son's games were posted to the teamsnap, but I'm curious who else will be there. Is there no online schedule?

2022's

Sat 11:00
Hawks vs. Dukes
Madlax vs. TX Mustangs
Richmond Hawks vs. Juiced Cherries
Leading Edge vs. Sweetlax

Sat 1:00
Hawks vs. VA Dukes
Dukes vs. Sweetlax
MadLax vs. Leading Edge
TX Mustangs vs. Juiced Cherries

Sat 3:00
Richmond Hawks vs. VA Dukes
Juiced Cherries vs. Leading Edge

Sun 11:00
Hawks vs. TX Mustangs
Dukes vs. VA Dukes
Richmond Hawks vs. Juiced Cherries
MadLax vs. SweetLax

Sun 1:00
Hawks vs. Leading Edge
Dukes vs. MadLax
TX Mustangs vs. Richmond Hawks
Sweetlax vs. VA Dukes

Sun 3:00 - Championship/Consolation games

Not as good as last year. No 91 or igloo. Will the Koopers 2021 kids be on Dukes for this?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

B'more Fall Classic schedules are posted. Great group of teams for 2022.

Express North
MD Roughriders
Madlax

Crabs
FCA
West Coast Starz

DC Express
Edge
Team 91 Md

API
Looneys
Mesa

This is the tournament to be at

It would be if it were a tournament and not a play day. The best teams may not even play each other.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone post the Battle of the Bay schedule. My son's games were posted to the teamsnap, but I'm curious who else will be there. Is there no online schedule?

2022's

Sat 11:00
Hawks vs. Dukes
Madlax vs. TX Mustangs
Richmond Hawks vs. Juiced Cherries
Leading Edge vs. Sweetlax

Sat 1:00
Hawks vs. VA Dukes
Dukes vs. Sweetlax
MadLax vs. Leading Edge
TX Mustangs vs. Juiced Cherries

Sat 3:00
Richmond Hawks vs. VA Dukes
Juiced Cherries vs. Leading Edge

Sun 11:00
Hawks vs. TX Mustangs
Dukes vs. VA Dukes
Richmond Hawks vs. Juiced Cherries
MadLax vs. SweetLax

Sun 1:00
Hawks vs. Leading Edge
Dukes vs. MadLax
TX Mustangs vs. Richmond Hawks
Sweetlax vs. VA Dukes

Sun 3:00 - Championship/Consolation games

Not as good as last year. No 91 or igloo. Will the Koopers 2021 kids be on Dukes for this?

Um yes. They are on Dukes. The roster doesn't rotate like it used to. They've been on the team for almost a year now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks Dukes rematch this Saturday.

Wrong but I wish you weren't.

What do you mean wrong? Hawks plays Dukes Saturday morning at Battle of the Bay. As usual in fall there will be kids missing but still should be a good game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone post the Battle of the Bay schedule. My son's games were posted to the teamsnap, but I'm curious who else will be there. Is there no online schedule?

2022's

Sat 11:00
Hawks vs. Dukes
Madlax vs. TX Mustangs
Richmond Hawks vs. Juiced Cherries
Leading Edge vs. Sweetlax

Sat 1:00
Hawks vs. VA Dukes
Dukes vs. Sweetlax
MadLax vs. Leading Edge
TX Mustangs vs. Juiced Cherries

Sat 3:00
Richmond Hawks vs. VA Dukes
Juiced Cherries vs. Leading Edge

Sun 11:00
Hawks vs. TX Mustangs
Dukes vs. VA Dukes
Richmond Hawks vs. Juiced Cherries
MadLax vs. SweetLax

Sun 1:00
Hawks vs. Leading Edge
Dukes vs. MadLax
TX Mustangs vs. Richmond Hawks
Sweetlax vs. VA Dukes

Sun 3:00 - Championship/Consolation games

Where did you find this schedule?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks Dukes rematch this Saturday.

Wrong but I wish you weren't.

What do you mean wrong? Hawks plays Dukes Saturday morning at Battle of the Bay. As usual in fall there will be kids missing but still should be a good game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone post the Battle of the Bay schedule. My son's games were posted to the teamsnap, but I'm curious who else will be there. Is there no online schedule?

2022's

Sat 11:00
Hawks vs. Dukes
Madlax vs. TX Mustangs
Richmond Hawks vs. Juiced Cherries
Leading Edge vs. Sweetlax

Sat 1:00
Hawks vs. VA Dukes
Dukes vs. Sweetlax
MadLax vs. Leading Edge
TX Mustangs vs. Juiced Cherries

Sat 3:00
Richmond Hawks vs. VA Dukes
Juiced Cherries vs. Leading Edge

Sun 11:00
Hawks vs. TX Mustangs
Dukes vs. VA Dukes
Richmond Hawks vs. Juiced Cherries
MadLax vs. SweetLax

Sun 1:00
Hawks vs. Leading Edge
Dukes vs. MadLax
TX Mustangs vs. Richmond Hawks
Sweetlax vs. VA Dukes

Sun 3:00 - Championship/Consolation games

Where did you find this schedule?

Not right.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone post the Battle of the Bay schedule. My son's games were posted to the teamsnap, but I'm curious who else will be there. Is there no online schedule?

2022's

Sat 11:00
Hawks vs. Dukes
Madlax vs. TX Mustangs
Richmond Hawks vs. Juiced Cherries
Leading Edge vs. Sweetlax

Sat 1:00
Hawks vs. VA Dukes
Dukes vs. Sweetlax
MadLax vs. Leading Edge
TX Mustangs vs. Juiced Cherries

Sat 3:00
Richmond Hawks vs. VA Dukes
Juiced Cherries vs. Leading Edge

Sun 11:00
Hawks vs. TX Mustangs
Dukes vs. VA Dukes
Richmond Hawks vs. Juiced Cherries
MadLax vs. SweetLax

Sun 1:00
Hawks vs. Leading Edge
Dukes vs. MadLax
TX Mustangs vs. Richmond Hawks
Sweetlax vs. VA Dukes

Sun 3:00 - Championship/Consolation games

Not as good as last year. No 91 or igloo. Will the Koopers 2021 kids be on Dukes for this?

Um yes. They are on Dukes. The roster doesn't rotate like it used to. They've been on the team for almost a year now.

Unless Koopers 2021 is playing somewhere else this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone post the Battle of the Bay schedule. My son's games were posted to the teamsnap, but I'm curious who else will be there. Is there no online schedule?

2022's

Sat 11:00
Hawks vs. Dukes
Madlax vs. TX Mustangs
Richmond Hawks vs. Juiced Cherries
Leading Edge vs. Sweetlax

Sat 1:00
Hawks vs. VA Dukes
Dukes vs. Sweetlax
MadLax vs. Leading Edge
TX Mustangs vs. Juiced Cherries

Sat 3:00
Richmond Hawks vs. VA Dukes
Juiced Cherries vs. Leading Edge

Sun 11:00
Hawks vs. TX Mustangs
Dukes vs. VA Dukes
Richmond Hawks vs. Juiced Cherries
MadLax vs. SweetLax

Sun 1:00
Hawks vs. Leading Edge
Dukes vs. MadLax
TX Mustangs vs. Richmond Hawks
Sweetlax vs. VA Dukes

Sun 3:00 - Championship/Consolation games

Not as good as last year. No 91 or igloo. Will the Koopers 2021 kids be on Dukes for this?

Um yes. They are on Dukes. The roster doesn't rotate like it used to. They've been on the team for almost a year now.

Unless Koopers 2021 is playing somewhere else this weekend.

The schedules are laid out so that they are able to do both. There will never be a confilct.

Thanks Gonzo for the update.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

B'more Fall Classic schedules are posted. Great group of teams for 2022.

Express North
MD Roughriders
Madlax

Crabs
FCA
West Coast Starz

DC Express
Edge
Team 91 Md

API
Looneys
Mesa

This is the tournament to be at

Now this is a tough tournament to play in.

Heard Hawks Coach had the schedule changed?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard Hawks Coach had the schedule changed?

Correct. Hawks requested out of that game and they changed the whole schedule up. Dukes now playing Richmond Hawks instead plus they are having teams play 3 pool games Saturday instead of 2 Saturday and 2 Sunday.

Is there a championship game?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard Hawks Coach had the schedule changed?

Correct. Hawks requested out of that game and they changed the whole schedule up. Dukes now playing Richmond Hawks instead plus they are having teams play 3 pool games Saturday instead of 2 Saturday and 2 Sunday.

Not a hawk, the schedule we got 2 days ago has not been changes at all. How do you know someone requested a change? There is no website or tourney machine for this tournament. It also looks like an overall winner on Sunday too.

RR win Baltimore Tourney

Dukes National win Battle of the Bay

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard Hawks Coach had the schedule changed?

Correct. Hawks requested out of that game and they changed the whole schedule up. Dukes now playing Richmond Hawks instead plus they are having teams play 3 pool games Saturday instead of 2 Saturday and 2 Sunday.

Not a hawk, the schedule we got 2 days ago has not been changes at all. How do you know someone requested a change? There is no website or tourney machine for this tournament. It also looks like an overall winner on Sunday too.

Wouldn't doubt it. Happens all the time with that guy against quality teams. We have had schedules changed last 3 years against them, even play days. My guess is he has a bunch of kids out Saturday but they will be back Sunday. Much easier to win when you have the power to make the schedule

Originally Posted by Anonymous

RR win Baltimore Tourney

Dukes National win Battle of the Bay

Baltimore is playday, not tourney.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard Hawks Coach had the schedule changed?

Correct. Hawks requested out of that game and they changed the whole schedule up. Dukes now playing Richmond Hawks instead plus they are having teams play 3 pool games Saturday instead of 2 Saturday and 2 Sunday.

Not a hawk, the schedule we got 2 days ago has not been changes at all. How do you know someone requested a change? There is no website or tourney machine for this tournament. It also looks like an overall winner on Sunday too.

The schedule is on Tourney Machine and it definitely was changed. There were originally 2 pool games Saturday and 2 on Sunday. Now there are just 3 on Saturday. Dukes was supposed to play Annapolis Hawks in the first game Saturday. Hogan and the Hawks coached complained about playing Dukes first because they would be missing players for football and knew they would get run off the field again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard Hawks Coach had the schedule changed?

Correct. Hawks requested out of that game and they changed the whole schedule up. Dukes now playing Richmond Hawks instead plus they are having teams play 3 pool games Saturday instead of 2 Saturday and 2 Sunday.

Not a hawk, the schedule we got 2 days ago has not been changes at all. How do you know someone requested a change? There is no website or tourney machine for this tournament. It also looks like an overall winner on Sunday too.

The schedule is on Tourney Machine and it definitely was changed. There were originally 2 pool games Saturday and 2 on Sunday. Now there are just 3 on Saturday. Dukes was supposed to play Annapolis Hawks in the first game Saturday. Hogan and the Hawks coached complained about playing Dukes first because they would be missing players for football and knew they would get run off the field again.

The Dukes need to be worried about the Richmond Hawks. That's too good of a team to overlook.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Api is weak this year they don’t have a good elite Fogo he went to the hawks.They will not be able to control the ball without winning the face off. Crabs crushed them .

This is simply not true. My son played his first game as a member of API and from what I saw, the "scrimmage" was fairly competitive. Score was 2-2 after one quarter, and 4-2 at halftime. Final score was 9-4 (which included one goal at the final whistle for the benefit of Crabs). API had three injured players that did not participate -- including one which would take a good number of faceoffs, and faceoffs were conducted by committee. Despite that, Crabs did not have any significant advantages at the faceoff "x". What I found interesting is that Crabs played a significant amount of time in a zone defense -- a little more than a quarter -- and API, despite the reputation we had heard prior to joining, played no zone defense at all. Both Crabs goalies made several tremendous saves.

All teams, save and excepting a handful, are at the front end of their training and development for the year, and API is no exception. Yes, API lost the scrimmage, but played well, and might have scored a couple of more had the "pipes" been kind, or been prepared to face a zone defense. I agree, that the 2023 kid playing up is talented, but like any player, can be defensed if given the time to prepare. Great afternoon, and I am very happy that coaches from Crabs and API arranged the scrimmage and the opportunity to get in some high level work.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard Hawks Coach had the schedule changed?

Correct. Hawks requested out of that game and they changed the whole schedule up. Dukes now playing Richmond Hawks instead plus they are having teams play 3 pool games Saturday instead of 2 Saturday and 2 Sunday.

Not a hawk, the schedule we got 2 days ago has not been changes at all. How do you know someone requested a change? There is no website or tourney machine for this tournament. It also looks like an overall winner on Sunday too.

The schedule is on Tourney Machine and it definitely was changed. There were originally 2 pool games Saturday and 2 on Sunday. Now there are just 3 on Saturday. Dukes was supposed to play Annapolis Hawks in the first game Saturday. Hogan and the Hawks coached complained about playing Dukes first because they would be missing players for football and knew they would get run off the field again.

The Dukes need to be worried about the Richmond Hawks. That's too good of a team to overlook.

If the 2021 Koopers team is there, there is not need for the Dukes to worry.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is there a championship game?

No championship game for B'more Fall Classic - It's only a crappy playday. I never understood why teams would pay someone else to organize these scrimmages instead of doing it themselves.

There is a championship for the Battle on the Bay.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone post the Battle of the Bay schedule. My son's games were posted to the teamsnap, but I'm curious who else will be there. Is there no online schedule?

2022's

Sat 11:00
Hawks vs. Dukes
Madlax vs. TX Mustangs
Richmond Hawks vs. Juiced Cherries
Leading Edge vs. Sweetlax

Sat 1:00
Hawks vs. VA Dukes
Dukes vs. Sweetlax
MadLax vs. Leading Edge
TX Mustangs vs. Juiced Cherries

Sat 3:00
Richmond Hawks vs. VA Dukes
Juiced Cherries vs. Leading Edge

Sun 11:00
Hawks vs. TX Mustangs
Dukes vs. VA Dukes
Richmond Hawks vs. Juiced Cherries
MadLax vs. SweetLax

Sun 1:00
Hawks vs. Leading Edge
Dukes vs. MadLax
TX Mustangs vs. Richmond Hawks
Sweetlax vs. VA Dukes

Sun 3:00 - Championship/Consolation games

Not as good as last year. No 91 or igloo. Will the Koopers 2021 kids be on Dukes for this?

Um yes. They are on Dukes. The roster doesn't rotate like it used to. They've been on the team for almost a year now.

It is so great to see how clubs (Dukes 2022 and Koopers 2021) can get along if they only work at it. It just shows that there is no reason why the heart of a team can't belong to two clubs at once.

I wish the MLL and NLL teams could get along like this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard Hawks Coach had the schedule changed?

Correct. Hawks requested out of that game and they changed the whole schedule up. Dukes now playing Richmond Hawks instead plus they are having teams play 3 pool games Saturday instead of 2 Saturday and 2 Sunday.

Not a hawk, the schedule we got 2 days ago has not been changes at all. How do you know someone requested a change? There is no website or tourney machine for this tournament. It also looks like an overall winner on Sunday too.

It would really suck if the Hawks got eliminated by the Dukes on day 1. Both teams need the opportunity to play for the championship and not let the initial seeding decide the championship game. I can totally understand why they requested the change. There is no other team in the tournament that is at the Dukes level when all their best kids are there, and right behind them is the Hawks.

It's youth lacrosse. Not life or death. Get a life, dad.

Dukes is an all-star team. A bunch of random kids whose primary clubs couldn't touch the Hawks with a ten foot pole.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Api is weak this year they don’t have a good elite Fogo he went to the hawks.They will not be able to control the ball without winning the face off. Crabs crushed them .

This is simply not true. My son played his first game as a member of API and from what I saw, the "scrimmage" was fairly competitive. Score was 2-2 after one quarter, and 4-2 at halftime. Final score was 9-4 (which included one goal at the final whistle for the benefit of Crabs). API had three injured players that did not participate -- including one which would take a good number of faceoffs, and faceoffs were conducted by committee. Despite that, Crabs did not have any significant advantages at the faceoff "x". What I found interesting is that Crabs played a significant amount of time in a zone defense -- a little more than a quarter -- and API, despite the reputation we had heard prior to joining, played no zone defense at all. Both Crabs goalies made several tremendous saves.

All teams, save and excepting a handful, are at the front end of their training and development for the year, and API is no exception. Yes, API lost the scrimmage, but played well, and might have scored a couple of more had the "pipes" been kind, or been prepared to face a zone defense. I agree, that the 2023 kid playing up is talented, but like any player, can be defensed if given the time to prepare. Great afternoon, and I am very happy that coaches from Crabs and API arranged the scrimmage and the opportunity to get in some high level work.

How could API's offense not be prepared to play against a zone defense? They've played against a zone in practice since 3rd grade. The Crabs played a lot of zone last year because their defense wasn't as strong as most teams, so no surprise they showed some zone. The question is whether either of these teams can improve upon last years disappointing seasons.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is there a championship game?

No championship game for B'more Fall Classic - It's only a crappy playday. I never understood why teams would pay someone else to organize these scrimmages instead of doing it themselves.

There is a championship for the Battle on the Bay.

When your son grows up (and perhaps you, too), you'll learn that nobody cares about a tournament championship, especially for youth. Except for idiot parents. And arranging to bring teams together, pay for facilities, insurance, refs, etc. is not as easy as you think.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes is an all-star team. A bunch of random kids whose primary clubs couldn't touch the Hawks with a ten foot pole.

I'm almost certain that hawks lost a few last year, so don't quite get this?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard Hawks Coach had the schedule changed?

Correct. Hawks requested out of that game and they changed the whole schedule up. Dukes now playing Richmond Hawks instead plus they are having teams play 3 pool games Saturday instead of 2 Saturday and 2 Sunday.

Not a hawk, the schedule we got 2 days ago has not been changes at all. How do you know someone requested a change? There is no website or tourney machine for this tournament. It also looks like an overall winner on Sunday too.

The schedule is on Tourney Machine and it definitely was changed. There were originally 2 pool games Saturday and 2 on Sunday. Now there are just 3 on Saturday. Dukes was supposed to play Annapolis Hawks in the first game Saturday. Hogan and the Hawks coached complained about playing Dukes first because they would be missing players for football and knew they would get run off the field again.

Wrong - the touney machine never changed. It's been the same since it was posted.

Stop stroking yourself in public it's sick.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard Hawks Coach had the schedule changed?

Correct. Hawks requested out of that game and they changed the whole schedule up. Dukes now playing Richmond Hawks instead plus they are having teams play 3 pool games Saturday instead of 2 Saturday and 2 Sunday.

Not a hawk, the schedule we got 2 days ago has not been changes at all. How do you know someone requested a change? There is no website or tourney machine for this tournament. It also looks like an overall winner on Sunday too.

The schedule is on Tourney Machine and it definitely was changed. There were originally 2 pool games Saturday and 2 on Sunday. Now there are just 3 on Saturday. Dukes was supposed to play Annapolis Hawks in the first game Saturday. Hogan and the Hawks coached complained about playing Dukes first because they would be missing players for football and knew they would get run off the field again.

Wrong - the touney machine never changed. It's been the same since it was posted.

Stop stroking yourself in public it's sick.

I see what you did. Maybe Tourney Machine never changed but the schedule did. I coach in it. I saw one, then it changed. Not sure why but the program mentioned has a history of getting schedules changed. Ask coaches who compete against them. I don't really care but let's not deny it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is there a championship game?

No championship game for B'more Fall Classic - It's only a crappy playday. I never understood why teams would pay someone else to organize these scrimmages instead of doing it themselves.

There is a championship for the Battle on the Bay.

When your son grows up (and perhaps you, too), you'll learn that nobody cares about a tournament championship, especially for youth. Except for idiot parents. And arranging to bring teams together, pay for facilities, insurance, refs, etc. is not as easy as you think.

About as hard as arranging for practices and adding a couple refs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard Hawks Coach had the schedule changed?

Correct. Hawks requested out of that game and they changed the whole schedule up. Dukes now playing Richmond Hawks instead plus they are having teams play 3 pool games Saturday instead of 2 Saturday and 2 Sunday.

Not a hawk, the schedule we got 2 days ago has not been changes at all. How do you know someone requested a change? There is no website or tourney machine for this tournament. It also looks like an overall winner on Sunday too.

The schedule is on Tourney Machine and it definitely was changed. There were originally 2 pool games Saturday and 2 on Sunday. Now there are just 3 on Saturday. Dukes was supposed to play Annapolis Hawks in the first game Saturday. Hogan and the Hawks coached complained about playing Dukes first because they would be missing players for football and knew they would get run off the field again.

Wrong - the touney machine never changed. It's been the same since it was posted.

Stop stroking yourself in public it's sick.

I see what you did. Maybe Tourney Machine never changed but the schedule did. I coach in it. I saw one, then it changed. Not sure why but the program mentioned has a history of getting schedules changed. Ask coaches who compete against them. I don't really care but let's not deny it

So let's hear. Who do you coach for?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is there a championship game?

No championship game for B'more Fall Classic - It's only a crappy playday. I never understood why teams would pay someone else to organize these scrimmages instead of doing it themselves.

There is a championship for the Battle on the Bay.

When your son grows up (and perhaps you, too), you'll learn that nobody cares about a tournament championship, especially for youth. Except for idiot parents. And arranging to bring teams together, pay for facilities, insurance, refs, etc. is not as easy as you think.

About as hard as arranging for practices and adding a couple refs.

Except that when you practice, your age group gets about 90 minutes to 2 hours before another age group jumps on. When you need the facility for half a day or more, there are definitely a lot more considerations to be made and other teams and age groups within the club displaced. Just make sure you have your umbrella and hip waders on Sunday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard Hawks Coach had the schedule changed?

Correct. Hawks requested out of that game and they changed the whole schedule up. Dukes now playing Richmond Hawks instead plus they are having teams play 3 pool games Saturday instead of 2 Saturday and 2 Sunday.

Not a hawk, the schedule we got 2 days ago has not been changes at all. How do you know someone requested a change? There is no website or tourney machine for this tournament. It also looks like an overall winner on Sunday too.

The schedule is on Tourney Machine and it definitely was changed. There were originally 2 pool games Saturday and 2 on Sunday. Now there are just 3 on Saturday. Dukes was supposed to play Annapolis Hawks in the first game Saturday. Hogan and the Hawks coached complained about playing Dukes first because they would be missing players for football and knew they would get run off the field again.

Wrong - the touney machine never changed. It's been the same since it was posted.

Stop stroking yourself in public it's sick.

I see what you did. Maybe Tourney Machine never changed but the schedule did. I coach in it. I saw one, then it changed. Not sure why but the program mentioned has a history of getting schedules changed. Ask coaches who compete against them. I don't really care but let's not deny it

So let's hear. Who do you coach for?

It's not uncommon for coaches to ask for changes when they go to a tourney and are asked to play against the same teams they played against all season. You go to tournaments to test yourself against new teams. No one wants to drive hundreds of miles to play a team they are 20 miles from.

You don't really care but say you are a coach and are anonymously calling out another coach and even a director. Even if this is true it is completely classless and speaks volumes for clowns like you . NO need to ask any other coaches because they most likely are not on here or it is something that is common for all coaches to request change in early seeding and they would never call out a fellow coach. Good luck this weekend !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You don't really care but say you are a coach and are anonymously calling out another coach and even a director. Even if this is true it is completely classless and speaks volumes for clowns like you . NO need to ask any other coaches because they most likely are not on here or it is something that is common for all coaches to request change in early seeding and they would never call out a fellow coach. Good luck this weekend !

Nice try but never mentioned anything about a director. I'm not even criticizing them. Like I said, I don't care that they do it, but let's not just act like it did not happen. I was just pointing out that there was an earlier schedule and it got changed. Maybe other coaches got involved too? It doesn't matter. They are the best team and you have to beat them at some point if you want a championship. They should sweep the weekend for sure. I know they are better than us and we elected to stick with the schedule we were given. Both times.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is there a championship game?

No championship game for B'more Fall Classic - It's only a crappy playday. I never understood why teams would pay someone else to organize these scrimmages instead of doing it themselves.

There is a championship for the Battle on the Bay.

When your son grows up (and perhaps you, too), you'll learn that nobody cares about a tournament championship, especially for youth. Except for idiot parents. And arranging to bring teams together, pay for facilities, insurance, refs, etc. is not as easy as you think.

About as hard as arranging for practices and adding a couple refs.

Except that when you practice, your age group gets about 90 minutes to 2 hours before another age group jumps on. When you need the facility for half a day or more, there are definitely a lot more considerations to be made and other teams and age groups within the club displaced. Just make sure you have your umbrella and hip waders on Sunday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is there a championship game?

No championship game for B'more Fall Classic - It's only a crappy playday. I never understood why teams would pay someone else to organize these scrimmages instead of doing it themselves.

There is a championship for the Battle on the Bay.

When your son grows up (and perhaps you, too), you'll learn that nobody cares about a tournament championship, especially for youth. Except for idiot parents. And arranging to bring teams together, pay for facilities, insurance, refs, etc. is not as easy as you think.

About as hard as arranging for practices and adding a couple refs.

Except that when you practice, your age group gets about 90 minutes to 2 hours before another age group jumps on. When you need the facility for half a day or more, there are definitely a lot more considerations to be made and other teams and age groups within the club displaced. Just make sure you have your umbrella and hip waders on Sunday.

Definitely worth the $1000 per team to have someone else book the fields and arrange the refs for 3 scrimmages.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You don't really care but say you are a coach and are anonymously calling out another coach and even a director. Even if this is true it is completely classless and speaks volumes for clowns like you . NO need to ask any other coaches because they most likely are not on here or it is something that is common for all coaches to request change in early seeding and they would never call out a fellow coach. Good luck this weekend !

Nice try but never mentioned anything about a director. I'm not even criticizing them. Like I said, I don't care that they do it, but let's not just act like it did not happen. I was just pointing out that there was an earlier schedule and it got changed. Maybe other coaches got involved too? It doesn't matter. They are the best team and you have to beat them at some point if you want a championship. They should sweep the weekend for sure. I know they are better than us and we elected to stick with the schedule we were given. Both times.

Thank you for sticking up for the truth!

Sorry it is true about Api . The kids that are injured would Not made a difference they are not starters . The kid that did some face-offs that day was the best fogo they have . The fogo that is injured is not a elite fogo he is a good double A fogo but not elite .he used to be the back up fogo to the kid that did the face-off. API lost 2 great fogo and others players from last year and only pick up 2 kids that would make a difference the rest won’t do anything .Api is good team but not elite

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry it is true about Api . The kids that are injured would Not made a difference they are not starters . The kid that did some face-offs that day was the best fogo they have . The fogo that is injured is not a elite fogo he is a good double A fogo but not elite .he used to be the back up fogo to the kid that did the face-off. API lost 2 great fogo and others players from last year and only pick up 2 kids that would make a difference the rest won’t do anything .Api is good team but not elite

Agree..If you are not elite by 8th grade, time to play baseball. Why even bother. You arent elite. I think we should have an 2th grade to 8th grade elite meter and list. If you arent on it..sorry..sign up fr baseball!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry it is true about Api . The kids that are injured would Not made a difference they are not starters . The kid that did some face-offs that day was the best fogo they have . The fogo that is injured is not a elite fogo he is a good double A fogo but not elite .he used to be the back up fogo to the kid that did the face-off. API lost 2 great fogo and others players from last year and only pick up 2 kids that would make a difference the rest won’t do anything .Api is good team but not elite

Agree..If you are not elite by 8th grade, time to play baseball. Why even bother. You arent elite. I think we should have an 2th grade to 8th grade elite meter and list. If you arent on it..sorry..sign up fr baseball!

It seems like the specialized roles like Goalie and Fogo are the easiest to pick up later in life and still become elite players. You commonly hear of kids picking up a stick for the first time late in high school and quickly become good enough to play d1. Not so true for attack, middie, defense.

Dukes and Hawks had fairly easy days. Mustangs look like they had a off day. Leading Edge playing well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes and Hawks had fairly easy days. Mustangs look like they had a off day. Leading Edge playing well.

Leading Edge 2022 isn't that good. They had the luxury of playing a soft schedule after beating the TX Mustangs and VA Dukes and losing to MadLax 6-3.

Great competition and tons of talent at this tourney though.

Great championship game at Battle of the Bay, Hawks by one over Dukes.

Hawks win?? Beat Dukes?

Battle of the Bay had very good teams up and down. Each team with a lot of talent . Good fall ball for all the teams. Fall ball carries with it the areas for growth and learning. All the teams faced real competition. Final game was awesome with very high level skill and good old up and down lacrosse. Dukes and Hawks where a cut above the rest with Richmond looking very good.

Hawks over the Dukes by a goal today. Tough for a club team to beat an all star team but they did it. Increadibly high level of play by both teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Battle of the Bay had very good teams up and down. Each team with a lot of talent . Good fall ball for all the teams. Fall ball carries with it the areas for growth and learning. All the teams faced real competition. Final game was awesome with very high level skill and good old up and down lacrosse. Dukes and Hawks where a cut above the rest with Richmond looking very good.

I disagree. Annapolis Hawks and Dukes much better than everyone else in tourney. No team other than Richmond Hawks came within 6 goals of them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Battle of the Bay had very good teams up and down. Each team with a lot of talent . Good fall ball for all the teams. Fall ball carries with it the areas for growth and learning. All the teams faced real competition. Final game was awesome with very high level skill and good old up and down lacrosse. Dukes and Hawks where a cut above the rest with Richmond looking very good.

I disagree. Annapolis Hawks and Dukes much better than everyone else in tourney. No team other than Richmond Hawks came within 6 goals of them.

Agree with original post. For a fall tourney all the teams faced good competition. The final game was the best game at this age group by far ever. All teams better be ready to play when they face those 2 teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Battle of the Bay had very good teams up and down. Each team with a lot of talent . Good fall ball for all the teams. Fall ball carries with it the areas for growth and learning. All the teams faced real competition. Final game was awesome with very high level skill and good old up and down lacrosse. Dukes and Hawks where a cut above the rest with Richmond looking very good.

I disagree. Annapolis Hawks and Dukes much better than everyone else in tourney. No team other than Richmond Hawks came within 6 goals of them.

Isn't that what the post states ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Battle of the Bay had very good teams up and down. Each team with a lot of talent . Good fall ball for all the teams. Fall ball carries with it the areas for growth and learning. All the teams faced real competition. Final game was awesome with very high level skill and good old up and down lacrosse. Dukes and Hawks where a cut above the rest with Richmond looking very good.

I disagree. Annapolis Hawks and Dukes much better than everyone else in tourney. No team other than Richmond Hawks came within 6 goals of them.

Agree with original post. For a fall tourney all the teams faced good competition. The final game was the best game at this age group by far ever. All teams better be ready to play when they face those 2 teams.

"by far ever." LOL. Get a life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Battle of the Bay had very good teams up and down. Each team with a lot of talent . Good fall ball for all the teams. Fall ball carries with it the areas for growth and learning. All the teams faced real competition. Final game was awesome with very high level skill and good old up and down lacrosse. Dukes and Hawks where a cut above the rest with Richmond looking very good.

I disagree. Annapolis Hawks and Dukes much better than everyone else in tourney. No team other than Richmond Hawks came within 6 goals of them.

Agree with original post. For a fall tourney all the teams faced good competition. The final game was the best game at this age group by far ever. All teams better be ready to play when they face those 2 teams.

"by far ever." LOL. Get a life.

Great final game

Great day for Next Level winning Halloween Havoc!

D.C Area
Top tier teams
Express
Madlax
Good teams
Next Level Blue
Express B
Club Blue
VLC
Cavalier
Ok teams
Top Caliber
Madlax DMV
Nextlevel Red

Originally Posted by Anonymous

D.C Area
Top tier teams
Express
Madlax
Good teams
Next Level Blue
Express B
Club Blue
VLC
Cavalier
Ok teams
Top Caliber
Madlax DMV
Nextlevel Red

No evergreen?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

D.C Area
Top tier teams
Express
Madlax
Good teams
Next Level Blue
Express B
Club Blue
VLC
Cavalier
Ok teams
Top Caliber
Madlax DMV
Nextlevel Red

I wouldn't call Top Caliber and Next Level Red "OK" after seeing them play yesterday...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

D.C Area
Top tier teams
Express
Madlax
Good teams
Next Level Blue
Express B
Club Blue
VLC
Cavalier
Ok teams
Top Caliber
Madlax DMV
Nextlevel Red

I wouldn't call Top Caliber and Next Level Red "OK" after seeing them play yesterday... heck, I'm not sure I'd call Madlax DMV "OK" either. I think Evergreen would give all three of these teams a good game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

D.C Area
Top tier teams
Express
Madlax
Good teams
Next Level Blue
Express B
Club Blue
VLC
Cavalier
Ok teams
Top Caliber
Madlax DMV
Nextlevel Red

I wouldn't call Top Caliber and Next Level Red "OK" after seeing them play yesterday...

My bad... I get Top Caliber and Ground Control mixed up...

I'm not sure I'd call Madlax DMV "OK" either. I think Evergreen could give any of those teams a decent game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry it is true about Api . The kids that are injured would Not made a difference they are not starters . The kid that did some face-offs that day was the best fogo they have . The fogo that is injured is not a elite fogo he is a good double A fogo but not elite .he used to be the back up fogo to the kid that did the face-off. API lost 2 great fogo and others players from last year and only pick up 2 kids that would make a difference the rest won’t do anything .Api is good team but not elite

Agree..If you are not elite by 8th grade, time to play baseball. Why even bother. You arent elite. I think we should have an 2th grade to 8th grade elite meter and list. If you arent on it..sorry..sign up fr baseball!

Hopefully this is sarcasm or your just an [lacrosse]. Its youth sports.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Battle of the Bay had very good teams up and down. Each team with a lot of talent . Good fall ball for all the teams. Fall ball carries with it the areas for growth and learning. All the teams faced real competition. Final game was awesome with very high level skill and good old up and down lacrosse. Dukes and Hawks where a cut above the rest with Richmond looking very good.

Surpised to see Mustangs struggle as much as they did.

Also VA Dukes - seriously? At least invite the Dukes Young Guns they would have held their own and beat most of those teams except for Hawks and DN 2022 (but this is an all start team so no surpise).

Next Level bragging about winning some tournament called Halloween Havoc? Is this a joke?

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ba4cjJ1gKSb/?taken-by=nextlevellax

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level bragging about winning some tournament called Halloween Havoc? Is this a joke?

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ba4cjJ1gKSb/?taken-by=nextlevellax

Should they not post that they won?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level bragging about winning some tournament called Halloween Havoc? Is this a joke?

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ba4cjJ1gKSb/?taken-by=nextlevellax

Should they not post that they won?

I think this guy just wants them to use the hashtag #joketournament because if you aren't on a top 5 team, you're dead to him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level bragging about winning some tournament called Halloween Havoc? Is this a joke?

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ba4cjJ1gKSb/?taken-by=nextlevellax

Should they not post that they won?

Hardly call it bragging by posting a picture like every other club that wins a tournament- no matter what tournament it is. What tournament did you win this weekend or fall ? Please post the link for the Instagram Pic of the Hardware.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level bragging about winning some tournament called Halloween Havoc? Is this a joke?

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ba4cjJ1gKSb/?taken-by=nextlevellax

Should they not post that they won?

I think this guy just wants them to use the hashtag #joketournament because if you aren't on a top 5 team, you're dead to him.

OP here - Actually you are right, just deep down think the only kids that should be proud of playing this sport are on the Hawks or Dukes. All the rest should just stew in their own lameness. Its a character flaw in me because of my own sorry youth athletic career. You know you only live once and dammit this is my one opportunity to feel superior.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level bragging about winning some tournament called Halloween Havoc? Is this a joke?

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ba4cjJ1gKSb/?taken-by=nextlevellax

CONGRATULATIONS to both Next Level teams. Why can’t people either be civilized or just not hate and/or be so negative?

I think next level has more reclass then hawks ..

How can you put Express at the top when they didn't show up this weekend to show off their talent. You my friend are an idiot!!!

Shame on the tournament officials for changing the schedule at the request of a coach. Hawks and Dukes should have played each other in pool play as originally scheduled on Saturday morning, a lot of people saw the original schedule. Both those teams are good enough that they would have won their way back to the championship game. The real loser in the schedule change was Sweet lax, having to play, Hawks, Dukes, and Madlax. Welcome to the mid-Atlantic where if you don't like your schedule, just cry to the tournament officials to change the schedule. All of the schedule changes discredited the tournament and hopefully the Long Island teams decide not to return next year. Also, with a 3 what tie at 2-1, why not give the team with the highest point differential the #3 spot and have the next 2 tie teams get up early and play for the 4th spot. I guess that's why the didn't post the rules, so they can make up their own to please who ever they want. Shaking my head!!!

You must be a Hawks parent with this kiss butt post. Enjoy the win dad, too bad little Johnny can't play with other kids his age. I'm not a Dukes parent and I did not take my little Johnny to tryout for them because I'm not crazy enough to tour the northeast on a monthly basis for practices. I look forward to the Dukes to put the Hawks back where they belong, in second place.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You must be a Hawks parent with this kiss butt post. Enjoy the win dad, too bad little Johnny can't play with other kids his age. I'm not a Dukes parent and I did not take my little Johnny to tryout for them because I'm not crazy enough to tour the northeast on a monthly basis for practices. I look forward to the Dukes to put the Hawks back where they belong, in second place.

Actually not involved and from New [lacrosse]. You have alot of venom and may want to consult Tony Robbins.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You must be a Hawks parent with this kiss butt post. Enjoy the win dad, too bad little Johnny can't play with other kids his age. I'm not a Dukes parent and I did not take my little Johnny to tryout for them because I'm not crazy enough to tour the northeast on a monthly basis for practices. I look forward to the Dukes to put the Hawks back where they belong, in second place.

Actually not involved and from New [lacrosse]. You have alot of venom and may want to consult Tony Robbins.

WOW tell us how you really feel. Classic hater , Sounds like your little Johnny is too good to play for Dukes and Hawks. 1st and 2nd place are better than the rest. Every team is beatable , so when your little johnny beats Dukes or Hawks be sure to come back on here and let everyone know. My bet is that will never happen hence the ignorance from your post. Every comment you made is comical . Pretty sure everyone who saw the Dukes vs Hawks game are looking forward to seeing it again. Best 2 teams in a championship game . 1st or 2nd not 3rd.4th.5th or last place. Good luck next tournament. Keep the foolish , bitter comments coming.
p.s not affiliated with either club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You must be a Hawks parent with this kiss butt post. Enjoy the win dad, too bad little Johnny can't play with other kids his age. I'm not a Dukes parent and I did not take my little Johnny to tryout for them because I'm not crazy enough to tour the northeast on a monthly basis for practices. I look forward to the Dukes to put the Hawks back where they belong, in second place.

Actually not involved and from New [lacrosse]. You have alot of venom and may want to consult Tony Robbins.

WOW tell us how you really feel. Classic hater , Sounds like your little Johnny is too good to play for Dukes and Hawks. 1st and 2nd place are better than the rest. Every team is beatable , so when your little johnny beats Dukes or Hawks be sure to come back on here and let everyone know. My bet is that will never happen hence the ignorance from your post. Every comment you made is comical . Pretty sure everyone who saw the Dukes vs Hawks game are looking forward to seeing it again. Best 2 teams in a championship game . 1st or 2nd not 3rd.4th.5th or last place. Good luck next tournament. Keep the foolish , bitter comments coming.
p.s not affiliated with either club.

Your kids are in 8th grade just make sure they are playing for a elite club. So this would mean any of the top 20 to 30 teams in the USA. Hopkins does not care if your son wins the tournament or not. He just has to be on the field playing the best kids.

This weekend showed be another good one. Lots of good teams at McDonogh.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You must be a Hawks parent with this kiss butt post. Enjoy the win dad, too bad little Johnny can't play with other kids his age. I'm not a Dukes parent and I did not take my little Johnny to tryout for them because I'm not crazy enough to tour the northeast on a monthly basis for practices. I look forward to the Dukes to put the Hawks back where they belong, in second place.

Actually not involved and from New [lacrosse]. You have alot of venom and may want to consult Tony Robbins.

WOW tell us how you really feel. Classic hater , Sounds like your little Johnny is too good to play for Dukes and Hawks. 1st and 2nd place are better than the rest. Every team is beatable , so when your little johnny beats Dukes or Hawks be sure to come back on here and let everyone know. My bet is that will never happen hence the ignorance from your post. Every comment you made is comical . Pretty sure everyone who saw the Dukes vs Hawks game are looking forward to seeing it again. Best 2 teams in a championship game . 1st or 2nd not 3rd.4th.5th or last place. Good luck next tournament. Keep the foolish , bitter comments coming.
p.s not affiliated with either club.

I would much rather see my son and his teammates compete with the Hawks or any other team, win or lose, than join up with a bunch of mercenaries from up and down the east coast simply to pound my chest about winning a meaningless fall tourney. Dukes are an all-star team. They are supposed to win. When they don't beat regular clubs, the egg is on their faces.

It will be interesting to see how FCA and the West Coast Stars do versus a re-vitalized Crabs 2022 squad this weekend. RM and his veteran staff of coaches have this team moving in the right direction.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It will be interesting to see how FCA and the West Coast Stars do versus a re-vitalized Crabs 2022 squad this weekend. RM and his veteran staff of coaches have this team moving in the right direction.

I hope for the sake of the kids that you are right. Won't be a fun year to have RM and his veteran staff breathing down their necks to be more elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You must be a Hawks parent with this kiss butt post. Enjoy the win dad, too bad little Johnny can't play with other kids his age. I'm not a Dukes parent and I did not take my little Johnny to tryout for them because I'm not crazy enough to tour the northeast on a monthly basis for practices. I look forward to the Dukes to put the Hawks back where they belong, in second place.

Actually not involved and from New [lacrosse]. You have alot of venom and may want to consult Tony Robbins.

WOW tell us how you really feel. Classic hater , Sounds like your little Johnny is too good to play for Dukes and Hawks. 1st and 2nd place are better than the rest. Every team is beatable , so when your little johnny beats Dukes or Hawks be sure to come back on here and let everyone know. My bet is that will never happen hence the ignorance from your post. Every comment you made is comical . Pretty sure everyone who saw the Dukes vs Hawks game are looking forward to seeing it again. Best 2 teams in a championship game . 1st or 2nd not 3rd.4th.5th or last place. Good luck next tournament. Keep the foolish , bitter comments coming.
p.s not affiliated with either club.

I would much rather see my son and his teammates compete with the Hawks or any other team, win or lose, than join up with a bunch of mercenaries from up and down the east coast simply to pound my chest about winning a meaningless fall tourney. Dukes are an all-star team. They are supposed to win. When they don't beat regular clubs, the egg is on their faces.

The boys that play for Dukes do so because they enjoy playing with each other. Not to mention the 3 hours of training they receive at the minicamps is worth the price alone. The team only practices once a month and not at all from May-August. God forbid the kids play on another team because they enjoy the game and enjoy playing with other kids of their caliber. Some tournaments there are kids that have to play for their home teams and can't play for Dukes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It will be interesting to see how FCA and the West Coast Stars do versus a re-vitalized Crabs 2022 squad this weekend. RM and his veteran staff of coaches have this team moving in the right direction.

It's fall lacrosse. All teams will be missing kids due to other sports as well as injuries. I wouldn't put too much credence into any results from the fall. Real test will be in HOCO when teams should have all their kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It will be interesting to see how FCA and the West Coast Stars do versus a re-vitalized Crabs 2022 squad this weekend. RM and his veteran staff of coaches have this team moving in the right direction.

Is RM flying in the kids from Texas and the one from Cali for this weekend? Or does the Cali kid play for West Coast Stars? If by moving in the right direction you mean he is bringing in kids from around the country to try to make the team competitive i guess you may be correct. We will see.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It will be interesting to see how FCA and the West Coast Stars do versus a re-vitalized Crabs 2022 squad this weekend. RM and his veteran staff of coaches have this team moving in the right direction.

Is RM flying in the kids from Texas and the one from Cali for this weekend? Or does the Cali kid play for West Coast Stars? If by moving in the right direction you mean he is bringing in kids from around the country to try to make the team competitive i guess you may be correct. We will see.

The real test will be on Saturday when they face Zingos at the Brine Fall Ball Tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It will be interesting to see how FCA and the West Coast Stars do versus a re-vitalized Crabs 2022 squad this weekend. RM and his veteran staff of coaches have this team moving in the right direction.

Is RM flying in the kids from Texas and the one from Cali for this weekend? Or does the Cali kid play for West Coast Stars? If by moving in the right direction you mean he is bringing in kids from around the country to try to make the team competitive i guess you may be correct. We will see.

They've dramatically upgraded the A, the FOGO and the D. Already had solid middies and keepers. Under the tutelage of this veteran staff, vast improvement is a given. Look for this team to finish near the top in HOCO.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It will be interesting to see how FCA and the West Coast Stars do versus a re-vitalized Crabs 2022 squad this weekend. RM and his veteran staff of coaches have this team moving in the right direction.

Is RM flying in the kids from Texas and the one from Cali for this weekend? Or does the Cali kid play for West Coast Stars? If by moving in the right direction you mean he is bringing in kids from around the country to try to make the team competitive i guess you may be correct. We will see.

They've dramatically upgraded the A, the FOGO and the D. Already had solid middies and keepers. Under the tutelage of this veteran staff, vast improvement is a given. Look for this team to finish near the top in HOCO.

You sound like a bad infomercial.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It will be interesting to see how FCA and the West Coast Stars do versus a re-vitalized Crabs 2022 squad this weekend. RM and his veteran staff of coaches have this team moving in the right direction.

Is RM flying in the kids from Texas and the one from Cali for this weekend? Or does the Cali kid play for West Coast Stars? If by moving in the right direction you mean he is bringing in kids from around the country to try to make the team competitive i guess you may be correct. We will see.

They've dramatically upgraded the A, the FOGO and the D. Already had solid middies and keepers. Under the tutelage of this veteran staff, vast improvement is a given. Look for this team to finish near the top in HOCO.

You sound like a bad infomercial.

True sir, I will bring it down to the level of you aka. your average BOTC reader/poster.

CRABS GONE PUT DAY FOOT UP YO AZZZZ ON SATADAY!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It will be interesting to see how FCA and the West Coast Stars do versus a re-vitalized Crabs 2022 squad this weekend. RM and his veteran staff of coaches have this team moving in the right direction.

Is RM flying in the kids from Texas and the one from Cali for this weekend? Or does the Cali kid play for West Coast Stars? If by moving in the right direction you mean he is bringing in kids from around the country to try to make the team competitive i guess you may be correct. We will see.

They've dramatically upgraded the A, the FOGO and the D. Already had solid middies and keepers. Under the tutelage of this veteran staff, vast improvement is a given. Look for this team to finish near the top in HOCO.

You sound like a bad infomercial.

Not sure where the got the players to upgrade unless they came from the 2021 team.
They will still be behind Hawks,Express,and RR.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It will be interesting to see how FCA and the West Coast Stars do versus a re-vitalized Crabs 2022 squad this weekend. RM and his veteran staff of coaches have this team moving in the right direction.

Is RM flying in the kids from Texas and the one from Cali for this weekend? Or does the Cali kid play for West Coast Stars? If by moving in the right direction you mean he is bringing in kids from around the country to try to make the team competitive i guess you may be correct. We will see.

They've dramatically upgraded the A, the FOGO and the D. Already had solid middies and keepers. Under the tutelage of this veteran staff, vast improvement is a given. Look for this team to finish near the top in HOCO.

That’s gold Jerry. You can’t make this stuff up.

Who is playing this weekend?

http://www.wbaltv.com/article/bad-behavior-among-some-parents-impacting-youth-sports/13120381

Must read and watch......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It will be interesting to see how FCA and the West Coast Stars do versus a re-vitalized Crabs 2022 squad this weekend. RM and his veteran staff of coaches have this team moving in the right direction.

Is RM flying in the kids from Texas and the one from Cali for this weekend? Or does the Cali kid play for West Coast Stars? If by moving in the right direction you mean he is bringing in kids from around the country to try to make the team competitive i guess you may be correct. We will see.

They've dramatically upgraded the A, the FOGO and the D. Already had solid middies and keepers. Under the tutelage of this veteran staff, vast improvement is a given. Look for this team to finish near the top in HOCO.

You sound like a bad infomercial.

True sir, I will bring it down to the level of you aka. your average BOTC reader/poster.

CRABS GONE PUT DAY FOOT UP YO AZZZZ ON SATADAY!!!!!

Well if they can't beat True Michigan and Grizz lacrosse on Saturday things are more a mess than we could have ever imagined.

crabs lost their best players to Hawks and DC Express--I hope they found some replacements....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

crabs lost their best players to Hawks and DC Express--I hope they found some replacements....

They did. From kids cut by other teams. Then he found some kids in Texas and California to fly in. Also brought up the best player from the 2023 team at the expense of that team's success(They went 1-2 in their first fall tournament).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It will be interesting to see how FCA and the West Coast Stars do versus a re-vitalized Crabs 2022 squad this weekend. RM and his veteran staff of coaches have this team moving in the right direction.

Is RM flying in the kids from Texas and the one from Cali for this weekend? Or does the Cali kid play for West Coast Stars? If by moving in the right direction you mean he is bringing in kids from around the country to try to make the team competitive i guess you may be correct. We will see.

The real test will be on Saturday when they face Zingos at the Brine Fall Ball Tournament.

Zingos ..Low Blow

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You must be a Hawks parent with this kiss butt post. Enjoy the win dad, too bad little Johnny can't play with other kids his age. I'm not a Dukes parent and I did not take my little Johnny to tryout for them because I'm not crazy enough to tour the northeast on a monthly basis for practices. I look forward to the Dukes to put the Hawks back where they belong, in second place.

Actually not involved and from New [lacrosse]. You have alot of venom and may want to consult Tony Robbins.

WOW tell us how you really feel. Classic hater , Sounds like your little Johnny is too good to play for Dukes and Hawks. 1st and 2nd place are better than the rest. Every team is beatable , so when your little johnny beats Dukes or Hawks be sure to come back on here and let everyone know. My bet is that will never happen hence the ignorance from your post. Every comment you made is comical . Pretty sure everyone who saw the Dukes vs Hawks game are looking forward to seeing it again. Best 2 teams in a championship game . 1st or 2nd not 3rd.4th.5th or last place. Good luck next tournament. Keep the foolish , bitter comments coming.
p.s not affiliated with either club.

Wow, I apologize sparky for not responding sooner, but I was busy having a life. I didn't realize that one persons opinion could strike so many nerves. I love the fact that you guys are so engaged with your little Johnny 16 year old and a 2022 youth lacrosse career. I bet little Johnny was busy hitting the wall tonight instead of out trick-or-treating with his friends. I love the commitment from you dad, I bet you keep your 2 car garage full of lacrosse gear and not your cars. I bet your work bench is full of lacrosse heads, where you come home from work to tighten, adjust, and retape little Johnnys stick between weekend fall tournaments. I'm going to try to be more committed like you, NOT. I guess if little Johnny doesn't come in 1st place in youth fall lacrosse, you will not have a metal to show off to your coworkers on Monday morning around the water cooler. If you're looking for me, I'll be the dad watching his little Johnny play for fun with his friends, FALL YOUTH lacrosse. I'll figure out another way to pad my little Johnnys resume with his youth lacrosse career.

P.S. New [lacrosse] dads are as bad as other dads in the mid Atlantic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You must be a Hawks parent with this kiss butt post. Enjoy the win dad, too bad little Johnny can't play with other kids his age. I'm not a Dukes parent and I did not take my little Johnny to tryout for them because I'm not crazy enough to tour the northeast on a monthly basis for practices. I look forward to the Dukes to put the Hawks back where they belong, in second place.

Actually not involved and from New [lacrosse]. You have alot of venom and may want to consult Tony Robbins.

WOW tell us how you really feel. Classic hater , Sounds like your little Johnny is too good to play for Dukes and Hawks. 1st and 2nd place are better than the rest. Every team is beatable , so when your little johnny beats Dukes or Hawks be sure to come back on here and let everyone know. My bet is that will never happen hence the ignorance from your post. Every comment you made is comical . Pretty sure everyone who saw the Dukes vs Hawks game are looking forward to seeing it again. Best 2 teams in a championship game . 1st or 2nd not 3rd.4th.5th or last place. Good luck next tournament. Keep the foolish , bitter comments coming.
p.s not affiliated with either club.

Wow, I apologize sparky for not responding sooner, but I was busy having a life. I didn't realize that one persons opinion could strike so many nerves. I love the fact that you guys are so engaged with your little Johnny 16 year old and a 2022 youth lacrosse career. I bet little Johnny was busy hitting the wall tonight instead of out trick-or-treating with his friends. I love the commitment from you dad, I bet you keep your 2 car garage full of lacrosse gear and not your cars. I bet your work bench is full of lacrosse heads, where you come home from work to tighten, adjust, and retape little Johnnys stick between weekend fall tournaments. I'm going to try to be more committed like you, NOT. I guess if little Johnny doesn't come in 1st place in youth fall lacrosse, you will not have a metal to show off to your coworkers on Monday morning around the water cooler. If you're looking for me, I'll be the dad watching his little Johnny play for fun with his friends, FALL YOUTH lacrosse. I'll figure out another way to pad my little Johnnys resume with his youth lacrosse career.

P.S. New [lacrosse] dads are as bad as other dads in the mid Atlantic.

Another classic response from a sore loser. Keep them coming. So its ok for you to bash 2 teams that clearly you hate and have issues with. Yet when someone calls you out on it , your come back is about having a life? Your lame comments continue to amuse us all. You also end your lame comment by bashing NY dads and an entire region of dads. Really? So where do you fall in line here ? You got the nerve to write a paragraph about striking a nerve-commitment and having fun. MY son is 13 plays for fun against teams full of holdbacks and competes with no excuses. So, Im the dad having even more fun watching my son beat your kid week after week with no excuses. My bet you are describing yourself in your remarks and are just completely bitter about losing to teams you know are just better. Must be tough -

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You must be a Hawks parent with this kiss butt post. Enjoy the win dad, too bad little Johnny can't play with other kids his age. I'm not a Dukes parent and I did not take my little Johnny to tryout for them because I'm not crazy enough to tour the northeast on a monthly basis for practices. I look forward to the Dukes to put the Hawks back where they belong, in second place.

Actually not involved and from New [lacrosse]. You have alot of venom and may want to consult Tony Robbins.

WOW tell us how you really feel. Classic hater , Sounds like your little Johnny is too good to play for Dukes and Hawks. 1st and 2nd place are better than the rest. Every team is beatable , so when your little johnny beats Dukes or Hawks be sure to come back on here and let everyone know. My bet is that will never happen hence the ignorance from your post. Every comment you made is comical . Pretty sure everyone who saw the Dukes vs Hawks game are looking forward to seeing it again. Best 2 teams in a championship game . 1st or 2nd not 3rd.4th.5th or last place. Good luck next tournament. Keep the foolish , bitter comments coming.
p.s not affiliated with either club.

Wow, I apologize sparky for not responding sooner, but I was busy having a life. I didn't realize that one persons opinion could strike so many nerves. I love the fact that you guys are so engaged with your little Johnny 16 year old and a 2022 youth lacrosse career. I bet little Johnny was busy hitting the wall tonight instead of out trick-or-treating with his friends. I love the commitment from you dad, I bet you keep your 2 car garage full of lacrosse gear and not your cars. I bet your work bench is full of lacrosse heads, where you come home from work to tighten, adjust, and retape little Johnnys stick between weekend fall tournaments. I'm going to try to be more committed like you, NOT. I guess if little Johnny doesn't come in 1st place in youth fall lacrosse, you will not have a metal to show off to your coworkers on Monday morning around the water cooler. If you're looking for me, I'll be the dad watching his little Johnny play for fun with his friends, FALL YOUTH lacrosse. I'll figure out another way to pad my little Johnnys resume with his youth lacrosse career.

P.S. New [lacrosse] dads are as bad as other dads in the mid Atlantic.

A life that includes anonymously talking crap about 8th grade lacrosse teams that your sons team lost too or is not good enough to play on. We got ya Sparky , keep the foolish comments coming , it keeps this forum amusing . Your opinion doesn't matter its just so ridiculous and funny that it begs us to want more.

Hawks beat DN again this weekend didnt they?

Hawks are #1 2022 IMO - and my kid isnt a Hawk for the record though he has met many of them at NLF, through friends, etc. Good kids the parents in this thread need to take it easy its just youth sports.

New to board: welcome to high school lacrosse 2022 dads, your high school coach won't care what your opinion is (even if you're right). College recruiters care even less. Best to sit quietly on the sidelines (it took me a while to learn this) and cheer positively. Don't complain about refs (that's really hard sometimes) or your club coaches. Spend your time making sure your son gets good grades and reaches his potential on his standardized tests. Complaining about holdbacks or genetic shortcomings is a loser's game. Life's unfair, deal with it. Don't let the college recruiting process get to you. Have your son enjoy his high school experience and do all sorts of extracurriculars if he's so inclined. Don't do prospect camps: they're a giant rip off. Play for a good club team and be the best player you can be (work with a position coach, lift, run, watch film) if you want to go D1. If you're good enough the colleges will find you. Trust the process and don't succumb to the noise.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New to board: welcome to high school lacrosse 2022 dads, your high school coach won't care what your opinion is (even if you're right). College recruiters care even less. Best to sit quietly on the sidelines (it took me a while to learn this) and cheer positively. Don't complain about refs (that's really hard sometimes) or your club coaches. Spend your time making sure your son gets good grades and reaches his potential on his standardized tests. Complaining about holdbacks or genetic shortcomings is a loser's game. Life's unfair, deal with it. Don't let the college recruiting process get to you. Have your son enjoy his high school experience and do all sorts of extracurriculars if he's so inclined. Don't do prospect camps: they're a giant rip off. Play for a good club team and be the best player you can be (work with a position coach, lift, run, watch film) if you want to go D1. If you're good enough the colleges will find you. Trust the process and don't succumb to the noise.

I like what you just wrote. But I would like to hear more about your thoughts on Prospect days. What if a coach asks you to come to his schools prospect day after seeing you play at a tournament or on Video? What if you have two or three schools that your son has as his "Dream Schools" I would agree its not a good idea to think you will get a spot on UVA or JHU at there prospect days. But if you are a D2 or D3 level player I would suggest prospect days at schools you really want to go to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New to board: welcome to high school lacrosse 2022 dads, your high school coach won't care what your opinion is (even if you're right). College recruiters care even less. Best to sit quietly on the sidelines (it took me a while to learn this) and cheer positively. Don't complain about refs (that's really hard sometimes) or your club coaches. Spend your time making sure your son gets good grades and reaches his potential on his standardized tests. Complaining about holdbacks or genetic shortcomings is a loser's game. Life's unfair, deal with it. Don't let the college recruiting process get to you. Have your son enjoy his high school experience and do all sorts of extracurriculars if he's so inclined. Don't do prospect camps: they're a giant rip off. Play for a good club team and be the best player you can be (work with a position coach, lift, run, watch film) if you want to go D1. If you're good enough the colleges will find you. Trust the process and don't succumb to the noise.

Probably the most intelligent post I've ever seen on this board.

And remember, there are only 12.6 scholarships per D1/D2 team of normally 30-45 players. So no one's getting a full ride UNLESS they have the grades to get academic scholarships. And that means you almost certainly won't get nearly a full return on your "investment" in club lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New to board: welcome to high school lacrosse 2022 dads, your high school coach won't care what your opinion is (even if you're right). College recruiters care even less. Best to sit quietly on the sidelines (it took me a while to learn this) and cheer positively. Don't complain about refs (that's really hard sometimes) or your club coaches. Spend your time making sure your son gets good grades and reaches his potential on his standardized tests. Complaining about holdbacks or genetic shortcomings is a loser's game. Life's unfair, deal with it. Don't let the college recruiting process get to you. Have your son enjoy his high school experience and do all sorts of extracurriculars if he's so inclined. Don't do prospect camps: they're a giant rip off. Play for a good club team and be the best player you can be (work with a position coach, lift, run, watch film) if you want to go D1. If you're good enough the colleges will find you. Trust the process and don't succumb to the noise.

I like what you just wrote. But I would like to hear more about your thoughts on Prospect days. What if a coach asks you to come to his schools prospect day after seeing you play at a tournament or on Video? What if you have two or three schools that your son has as his "Dream Schools" I would agree its not a good idea to think you will get a spot on UVA or JHU at there prospect days. But if you are a D2 or D3 level player I would suggest prospect days at schools you really want to go to.

Coaches ask you to come to prospect days to pay their assistants.Period. If you want your son to receive an offer, play really well in several well attended tournaments and have his high school and club coach, let it slip (only if its true) to your target schools that he's being pursued by a number of top notch programs (D1, D2 or D3). Have your son prepare well for his coach's interview: teenagers often bomb these if unprepared. Having dream schools is fine: don't get caught up in going to one. The odds are slim unless you're an elite player/a superstar as a sophomore in high school. Use lacrosse to get into a school you want to attend first, play for second. Focus on the majors of the upperclassmen. Does the team reflect who your son wants to be when he grows up?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New to board: welcome to high school lacrosse 2022 dads, your high school coach won't care what your opinion is (even if you're right). College recruiters care even less. Best to sit quietly on the sidelines (it took me a while to learn this) and cheer positively. Don't complain about refs (that's really hard sometimes) or your club coaches. Spend your time making sure your son gets good grades and reaches his potential on his standardized tests. Complaining about holdbacks or genetic shortcomings is a loser's game. Life's unfair, deal with it. Don't let the college recruiting process get to you. Have your son enjoy his high school experience and do all sorts of extracurriculars if he's so inclined. Don't do prospect camps: they're a giant rip off. Play for a good club team and be the best player you can be (work with a position coach, lift, run, watch film) if you want to go D1. If you're good enough the colleges will find you. Trust the process and don't succumb to the noise.

I like what you just wrote. But I would like to hear more about your thoughts on Prospect days. What if a coach asks you to come to his schools prospect day after seeing you play at a tournament or on Video? What if you have two or three schools that your son has as his "Dream Schools" I would agree its not a good idea to think you will get a spot on UVA or JHU at there prospect days. But if you are a D2 or D3 level player I would suggest prospect days at schools you really want to go to.

Coaches ask you to come to prospect days to pay their assistants.Period. If you want your son to receive an offer, play really well in several well attended tournaments and have his high school and club coach, let it slip (only if its true) to your target schools that he's being pursued by a number of top notch programs (D1, D2 or D3). Have your son prepare well for his coach's interview: teenagers often bomb these if unprepared. Having dream schools is fine: don't get caught up in going to one. The odds are slim unless you're an elite player/a superstar as a sophomore in high school. Use lacrosse to get into a school you want to attend first, play for second. Focus on the majors of the upperclassmen. Does the team reflect who your son wants to be when he grows up?

I hear you but I fine it really hard to believe that if a school has reached out to you and said they think you could be a fit. How would this $150 paid to this school for your son to see the coaches coach and see the school hurt his chances of playing for this school. I agree 100% that you should not go to a prospect day blind with no talks with the coaches before hand. But the two prospect days my son has attend so far have really helped him lock into what he wants lacrosse wise and somewhat school wise.

Your call completely, but i've found $$ is better spent on elite showcase camps with the targeted group of coaches.

Well it’s good for them but three can not say they are a elite team and then play in bad tournaments or not the top division. It is good for them but if they are a elite team not at the level they should be playing

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You must be a Hawks parent with this kiss butt post. Enjoy the win dad, too bad little Johnny can't play with other kids his age. I'm not a Dukes parent and I did not take my little Johnny to tryout for them because I'm not crazy enough to tour the northeast on a monthly basis for practices. I look forward to the Dukes to put the Hawks back where they belong, in second place.

Actually not involved and from New [lacrosse]. You have alot of venom and may want to consult Tony Robbins.

WOW tell us how you really feel. Classic hater , Sounds like your little Johnny is too good to play for Dukes and Hawks. 1st and 2nd place are better than the rest. Every team is beatable , so when your little johnny beats Dukes or Hawks be sure to come back on here and let everyone know. My bet is that will never happen hence the ignorance from your post. Every comment you made is comical . Pretty sure everyone who saw the Dukes vs Hawks game are looking forward to seeing it again. Best 2 teams in a championship game . 1st or 2nd not 3rd.4th.5th or last place. Good luck next tournament. Keep the foolish , bitter comments coming.
p.s not affiliated with either club.

Wow, I apologize sparky for not responding sooner, but I was busy having a life. I didn't realize that one persons opinion could strike so many nerves. I love the fact that you guys are so engaged with your little Johnny 16 year old and a 2022 youth lacrosse career. I bet little Johnny was busy hitting the wall tonight instead of out trick-or-treating with his friends. I love the commitment from you dad, I bet you keep your 2 car garage full of lacrosse gear and not your cars. I bet your work bench is full of lacrosse heads, where you come home from work to tighten, adjust, and retape little Johnnys stick between weekend fall tournaments. I'm going to try to be more committed like you, NOT. I guess if little Johnny doesn't come in 1st place in youth fall lacrosse, you will not have a metal to show off to your coworkers on Monday morning around the water cooler. If you're looking for me, I'll be the dad watching his little Johnny play for fun with his friends, FALL YOUTH lacrosse. I'll figure out another way to pad my little Johnnys resume with his youth lacrosse career.

P.S. New [lacrosse] dads are as bad as other dads in the mid Atlantic.

Another classic response from a sore loser. Keep them coming. So its ok for you to bash 2 teams that clearly you hate and have issues with. Yet when someone calls you out on it , your come back is about having a life? Your lame comments continue to amuse us all. You also end your lame comment by bashing NY dads and an entire region of dads. Really? So where do you fall in line here ? You got the nerve to write a paragraph about striking a nerve-commitment and having fun. MY son is 13 plays for fun against teams full of holdbacks and competes with no excuses. So, Im the dad having even more fun watching my son beat your kid week after week with no excuses. My bet you are describing yourself in your remarks and are just completely bitter about losing to teams you know arejust better. Must be tough -

Sorry but I'm not a sore loser because I can care less about fall lacrosse because it's football season. I don't hate those two teams, from what I've seen they are very well coached and the kids show a lot effort. I love coming on this forum are reading how dads like you bash other kids, their parents, and their teams. Dads like you are the ones that come on here and talk trash, but brag around the water cooler art work. I want my son to get better, however his enjoyment is more important in the fall, plus they are 8th graders regardless of their age. I love the fact that I trolled you, hooked you in, and I'm going to release you. Enjoy the short fall.

PS, I really love the fact that you did not deny the lacrosse work bench in the garage or keeping the cars outside. See you on the sidlines.:)

Fall lacrosse doesn’t mean anything your kids should be doing other sports . The spring is only when it means something .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You must be a Hawks parent with this kiss butt post. Enjoy the win dad, too bad little Johnny can't play with other kids his age. I'm not a Dukes parent and I did not take my little Johnny to tryout for them because I'm not crazy enough to tour the northeast on a monthly basis for practices. I look forward to the Dukes to put the Hawks back where they belong, in second place.

Actually not involved and from New [lacrosse]. You have alot of venom and may want to consult Tony Robbins.

WOW tell us how you really feel. Classic hater , Sounds like your little Johnny is too good to play for Dukes and Hawks. 1st and 2nd place are better than the rest. Every team is beatable , so when your little johnny beats Dukes or Hawks be sure to come back on here and let everyone know. My bet is that will never happen hence the ignorance from your post. Every comment you made is comical . Pretty sure everyone who saw the Dukes vs Hawks game are looking forward to seeing it again. Best 2 teams in a championship game . 1st or 2nd not 3rd.4th.5th or last place. Good luck next tournament. Keep the foolish , bitter comments coming.
p.s not affiliated with either club.

Wow, I apologize sparky for not responding sooner, but I was busy having a life. I didn't realize that one persons opinion could strike so many nerves. I love the fact that you guys are so engaged with your little Johnny 16 year old and a 2022 youth lacrosse career. I bet little Johnny was busy hitting the wall tonight instead of out trick-or-treating with his friends. I love the commitment from you dad, I bet you keep your 2 car garage full of lacrosse gear and not your cars. I bet your work bench is full of lacrosse heads, where you come home from work to tighten, adjust, and retape little Johnnys stick between weekend fall tournaments. I'm going to try to be more committed like you, NOT. I guess if little Johnny doesn't come in 1st place in youth fall lacrosse, you will not have a metal to show off to your coworkers on Monday morning around the water cooler. If you're looking for me, I'll be the dad watching his little Johnny play for fun with his friends, FALL YOUTH lacrosse. I'll figure out another way to pad my little Johnnys resume with his youth lacrosse career.

P.S. New [lacrosse] dads are as bad as other dads in the mid Atlantic.

Another classic response from a sore loser. Keep them coming. So its ok for you to bash 2 teams that clearly you hate and have issues with. Yet when someone calls you out on it , your come back is about having a life? Your lame comments continue to amuse us all. You also end your lame comment by bashing NY dads and an entire region of dads. Really? So where do you fall in line here ? You got the nerve to write a paragraph about striking a nerve-commitment and having fun. MY son is 13 plays for fun against teams full of holdbacks and competes with no excuses. So, Im the dad having even more fun watching my son beat your kid week after week with no excuses. My bet you are describing yourself in your remarks and are just completely bitter about losing to teams you know arejust better. Must be tough -

Sorry but I'm not a sore loser because I can care less about fall lacrosse because it's football season. I don't hate those two teams, from what I've seen they are very well coached and the kids show a lot effort. I love coming on this forum are reading how dads like you bash other kids, their parents, and their teams. Dads like you are the ones that come on here and talk trash, but brag around the water cooler art work. I want my son to get better, however his enjoyment is more important in the fall, plus they are 8th graders regardless of their age. I love the fact that I trolled you, hooked you in, and I'm going to release you. Enjoy the short fall.

PS, I really love the fact that you did not deny the lacrosse work bench in the garage or keeping the cars outside. See you on the sidlines.:)

Aw yes the football daddy that pretends he doesn't care. Yet you are the one that was trash talking 2 teams - no one else but you. Which is why the reply to begin with.(dads like me. you do realize you started this by bashing 2 teams) Now you are trying to act like a good guy and turn it around. Did you forget what you wrote or is it because you are getting trolled instead of doing the trolling. Again , you were completely describing yourself not anyone else , no need to deny it . This is so amusing and fun. Why don't you go back and read original post and your last post. Maybe its time you clean out the garage and move your cars back in, all that equipment and gear obviously has done nothing. Good luck with football..Must be tough.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fall lacrosse doesn’t mean anything your kids should be doing other sports . The spring is only when it means something .

Totally agree with you, sincerely the guy From the post above your:)

A lot of teams playing this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fall lacrosse doesn’t mean anything your kids should be doing other sports . The spring is only when it means something .

Fall means a lot to coaches and teams. Almost all the kids are doing other sports , but for coaches its a time to see what the new team is capable of and how to place them for the spring leagues and summer tournaments. Winning and losing doesn't mean as much but playing and seeing team in action means a lot .

Almost all the best teams are at the Crabs BMore fall tourney.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Almost all the best teams are at the Crabs BMore fall tourney.

And the battle of Leesburg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Almost all the best teams are at the Crabs BMore fall tourney.

And the battle of Leesburg

Are you serious? That tourney schedule looks like a rec program with nothing more than rec program teams. Put any of those teams in the Crabs BMore tourney and they would be destroyed. If you are happy with the Va tourney that is fine, just don't come on here making false statements that you know are not true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Almost all the best teams are at the Crabs BMore fall tourney.

And the battle of Leesburg

I just looked at this schedule it is the definition of below avg. teams. Its like a whos who of what clubs to not play for unless the others cut you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Almost all the best teams are at the Crabs BMore fall tourney.

And the battle of Leesburg

I just looked at this schedule it is the definition of below avg. teams. Its like a whos who of what clubs to not play for unless the others cut you.

And you'll never see scores from these games, unless Evergreen dominates everyone

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Almost all the best teams are at the Crabs BMore fall tourney.

And the battle of Leesburg

I just looked at this schedule it is the definition of below avg. teams. Its like a whos who of what clubs to not play for unless the others cut you.

Evergreen will dominate the Battle of Leesburg proving they are a top team in the DMV

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Almost all the best teams are at the Crabs BMore fall tourney.

Quick question: Are LI Express, Annapolis Hawks, Richmond Hawks or the Dukes National teams going to be there?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Almost all the best teams are at the Crabs BMore fall tourney.

Quick question: Are LI Express, Annapolis Hawks, Richmond Hawks or the Dukes National teams going to be there?

No. That's why the guy said almost. It's on tourney machine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Almost all the best teams are at the Crabs BMore fall tourney.

Quick question: Are LI Express, Annapolis Hawks, Richmond Hawks or the Dukes National teams going to be there?

Nope. A Hawks R Hawks LI Express and DC Express have their own play day

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Almost all the best teams are at the Crabs BMore fall tourney.

Quick question: Are LI Express, Annapolis Hawks, Richmond Hawks or the Dukes National teams going to be there?

Nope. A Hawks R Hawks LI Express and DC Express have their own play day

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Almost all the best teams are at the Crabs BMore fall tourney.

Quick question: Are LI Express, Annapolis Hawks, Richmond Hawks or the Dukes National teams going to be there?

Nope. A Hawks R Hawks LI Express and DC Express have their own play day

DC Express is playing and so are most other top teams. I would not put Richmond Hawks into Elite class yet. Good team with some good players but not Elite yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Almost all the best teams are at the Crabs BMore fall tourney.

Quick question: Are LI Express, Annapolis Hawks, Richmond Hawks or the Dukes National teams going to be there?

Nope. A Hawks R Hawks LI Express and DC Express have their own play day

DC Express is playing at the BMore fall tourney. They play Edge, 91MD and MD Roughriders

DC Express has two teams at the 2022s, correct?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fall lacrosse doesn’t mean anything your kids should be doing other sports . The spring is only when it means something .

Totally agree with you, sincerely the guy From the post above your:)

Wrong. Fall lacrosse means everything for the most talented kids and teams. You must keep a stick in your hand in the fall. Play football, but keep the Crosse in your hand all year if you want to get better.

Next level

Should be a fun weekend of good competitive lacrosse. Even funnier week of comments made by sore bitter parents who think there kids were robbed of something by losing a game. Cant wait!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Express has two teams at the 2022s, correct?

Yes. The B team is playing at McDonogh on Sunday. But I'm sure the parents of the teams they are playing will be on here pounding their chests if their little pride and joy beats DCE.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Almost all the best teams are at the Crabs BMore fall tourney.

Quick question: Are LI Express, Annapolis Hawks, Richmond Hawks or the Dukes National teams going to be there?

Nope. A Hawks R Hawks LI Express and DC Express have their own play day

Looks like both hawks teams, West coast stars and PLC
are doing their play day on Saturday

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Express has two teams at the 2022s, correct?

Yes. The B team is playing at McDonogh on Sunday. But I'm sure the parents of the teams they are playing will be on here pounding their chests if their little pride and joy beats DCE.

Where's the A team going to be....Battle of Leesburg? DCE is a joke of a club run by a bunch of money grabbing clowns. Have fun getting your @ss kicked up and down the field at Mickey D's on Sunday you idiot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Express has two teams at the 2022s, correct?

Yes. The B team is playing at McDonogh on Sunday. But I'm sure the parents of the teams they are playing will be on here pounding their chests if their little pride and joy beats DCE.

The games haven't even been played and you're already giving up on your kid? It's OK that he's on a B team, dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Express has two teams at the 2022s, correct?

Yes. The B team is playing at McDonogh on Sunday. But I'm sure the parents of the teams they are playing will be on here pounding their chests if their little pride and joy beats DCE.

Where's the A team going to be....Battle of Leesburg? DCE is a joke of a club run by a bunch of money grabbing clowns. Have fun getting your @ss kicked up and down the field at Mickey D's on Sunday you idiot.

WOW I have only heard this kind of anger towards Madlax. Nice to see the hate spread around

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Express has two teams at the 2022s, correct?

Yes. The B team is playing at McDonogh on Sunday. But I'm sure the parents of the teams they are playing will be on here pounding their chests if their little pride and joy beats DCE.

Good try loser. The top DCE team is playing and yes they have a bunch of injuries so don't sell out the kids on the B team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Express has two teams at the 2022s, correct?

Yes. The B team is playing at McDonogh on Sunday. But I'm sure the parents of the teams they are playing will be on here pounding their chests if their little pride and joy beats DCE.

Good try loser. The top DCE team is playing and yes they have a bunch of injuries so don't sell out the kids on the B team.

Loser? You are completely wrong. My son is on the A team. Not selling out anyone. We aren't playing at McD on Sunday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Express has two teams at the 2022s, correct?

Yes. The B team is playing at McDonogh on Sunday. But I'm sure the parents of the teams they are playing will be on here pounding their chests if their little pride and joy beats DCE.

Good try loser. The top DCE team is playing and yes they have a bunch of injuries so don't sell out the kids on the B team.

Loser? You are completely wrong. My son is on the A team. Not selling out anyone. We aren't playing at McD on Sunday.

The top team is at McDonogh, the other is at the playday.

Hogan has a Fall Invitational on Saturday
Richmond Hawks
Annapolis Hawks
PLC
West Coast Starz
few other teams

Play day on Sunday

LI Express
DC Express A
Annapolis Hawks
Richmond Hawks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hogan has a Fall Invitational on Saturday
Richmond Hawks
Annapolis Hawks
PLC
West Coast Starz
few other teams

Play day on Sunday

LI Express
DC Express A
Annapolis Hawks
Richmond Hawks

This is correct. As I said, the B team is at McD. Not sure why you idiots that don't know what you are talking about are chiming in and calling me a loser. My son's on the damn team. I know where he is playing Sunday

Someone has FOMO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hogan has a Fall Invitational on Saturday
Richmond Hawks
Annapolis Hawks
PLC
West Coast Starz
few other teams

Play day on Sunday

LI Express
DC Express A
Annapolis Hawks
Richmond Hawks

This is correct. As I said, the B team is at McD. Not sure why you idiots that don't know what you are talking about are chiming in and calling me a loser. My son's on the damn team. I know where he is playing Sunday

This will be a good lesson for the B team who some have said could be another A team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hogan has a Fall Invitational on Saturday
Richmond Hawks
Annapolis Hawks
PLC
West Coast Starz
few other teams

Play day on Sunday

LI Express
DC Express A
Annapolis Hawks
Richmond Hawks

This is correct. As I said, the B team is at McD. Not sure why you idiots that don't know what you are talking about are chiming in and calling me a loser. My son's on the damn team. I know where he is playing Sunday

lol - time for a drink at the club

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hogan has a Fall Invitational on Saturday
Richmond Hawks
Annapolis Hawks
PLC
West Coast Starz
few other teams

Play day on Sunday

LI Express
DC Express A
Annapolis Hawks
Richmond Hawks

This is correct. As I said, the B team is at McD. Not sure why you idiots that don't know what you are talking about are chiming in and calling me a loser. My son's on the damn team. I know where he is playing Sunday

lol - time for a drink at the club

Glad we were able to clear that up for ya, didn't want you going around feeling like a loser on an anonymous forum.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hogan has a Fall Invitational on Saturday
Richmond Hawks
Annapolis Hawks
PLC
West Coast Starz
few other teams

Play day on Sunday

LI Express
DC Express A
Annapolis Hawks
Richmond Hawks

Why isn't the DC Express at a tournament and choose to be at a play date? Can't those be set up any time? Just saying...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hogan has a Fall Invitational on Saturday
Richmond Hawks
Annapolis Hawks
PLC
West Coast Starz
few other teams

Play day on Sunday

LI Express
DC Express A
Annapolis Hawks
Richmond Hawks

Why isn't the DC Express at a tournament and choose to be at a play date? Can't those be set up any time? Just saying...

McDonogh is a play day as well. No playoffs. D.C. Express A will be there playing Edge, 91 MD and Rough Riders. The B team will be at the other playday with the various Hawks teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hogan has a Fall Invitational on Saturday
Richmond Hawks
Annapolis Hawks
PLC
West Coast Starz
few other teams

Play day on Sunday

LI Express
DC Express A
Annapolis Hawks
Richmond Hawks

Why isn't the DC Express at a tournament and choose to be at a play date? Can't those be set up any time? Just saying...

McDonogh is a play day as well. No playoffs. D.C. Express A will be there playing Edge, 91 MD and Rough Riders. The B team will be at the other playday with the various Hawks teams.

Wrong

Heard PLC had a good showing today against all the elite teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard PLC had a good showing today against all the elite teams.

Hawks smoked them

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard PLC had a good showing today against all the elite teams.

Hawks smoked them

What was score?

How did West Coast Starz do against Hawks?

Edge, FCA and Madlax all 3-0 today at McD. 9d1 and Crabs beatdown by Madlax and FCA. Crabs way too talented to play such bad lacrosse. But it’s been that way for years with this team. 9d1 lost a lot of talent.

DC Express what a mess.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Edge, FCA and Madlax all 3-0 today at McD. 9d1 and Crabs beatdown by Madlax and FCA. Crabs way too talented to play such bad lacrosse. But it’s been that way for years with this team. 9d1 lost a lot of talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Edge, FCA and Madlax all 3-0 today at McD. 9d1 and Crabs beatdown by Madlax and FCA. Crabs way too talented to play such bad lacrosse. But it’s been that way for years with this team. 9d1 lost a lot of talent.

Don’t worry about the Crabs, they have a coaching staff with a winning pedigree. RM will find the keepers and weed out the rest. He has a good eye for talent and can motivate underachieving boys to exceed their expectations by pushing them out of their comfort zone in practice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did West Coast Starz do against Hawks?

Lost

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Express what a mess.

Dc Express B team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Edge, FCA and Madlax all 3-0 today at McD. 9d1 and Crabs beatdown by Madlax and FCA. Crabs way too talented to play such bad lacrosse. But it’s been that way for years with this team. 9d1 lost a lot of talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Edge, FCA and Madlax all 3-0 today at McD. 9d1 and Crabs beatdown by Madlax and FCA. Crabs way too talented to play such bad lacrosse. But it’s been that way for years with this team. 9d1 lost a lot of talent.

Don’t worry about the Crabs, they have a coaching staff with a winning pedigree. RM will find the keepers and weed out the rest. He has a good eye for talent and can motivate underachieving boys to exceed their expectations by pushing them out of their comfort zone in practice.

I can’t tell if this is serious or not but RM has no more clue how to coach and teach lacrosse than I know how to fly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Edge, FCA and Madlax all 3-0 today at McD. 9d1 and Crabs beatdown by Madlax and FCA. Crabs way too talented to play such bad lacrosse. But it’s been that way for years with this team. 9d1 lost a lot of talent.

Edge was a 2021 team. FCA played nobody. Madlax same thing played nobody. MD91 has lost a lot. RR looked banged up more players not dress than dress to play. API shocker not playing a zone. West coast stars over matched. Over all some good fall lacrosse in bad conditions.

What happened at the playday today

Who was the best team at Bmore tourney

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Edge, FCA and Madlax all 3-0 today at McD. 9d1 and Crabs beatdown by Madlax and FCA. Crabs way too talented to play such bad lacrosse. But it’s been that way for years with this team. 9d1 lost a lot of talent.

Edge was a 2021 team. FCA played nobody. Madlax same thing played nobody. MD91 has lost a lot. RR looked banged up more players not dress than dress to play. API shocker not playing a zone. West coast stars over matched. Over all some good fall lacrosse in bad conditions.

So Crabs has now become nobody?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Edge, FCA and Madlax all 3-0 today at McD. 9d1 and Crabs beatdown by Madlax and FCA. Crabs way too talented to play such bad lacrosse. But it’s been that way for years with this team. 9d1 lost a lot of talent.

Edge was a 2021 team. FCA played nobody. Madlax same thing played nobody. MD91 has lost a lot. RR looked banged up more players not dress than dress to play. API shocker not playing a zone. West coast stars over matched. Over all some good fall lacrosse in bad conditions.

So Crabs has now become nobody?

Crabs looked good. FCA has greatly improved. MadLax looks better and handled 91, but 91 has a lot of talent and played short-handed. RR had half a dozen kids in street clothes and crutches and struggled with API. API played well and look to be improved as well. Wouldn't put too much stock in these games, but what is clear is that on any given day, any of these teams can steal a win.

The edge team was all 03s not a 2021 team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The edge team was all 03s not a 2021 team

Most of the Edge kids are in 9th grade. Everyone knows how that works. Using the Post Grad year to say they are 2022's. They should change the divisions to 8th grade, 7th grade, etc instead of 2022, 2023, etc. That would keep them from being able to do that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The edge team was all 03s not a 2021 team

That is pure bullsh*t and you know it.

DCE 22 beat Hawks 12-10 yesterday

You can think what you want but the entire age of that team is 03s. Thats how they go to school so thats how they play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DCE 22 beat Hawks 12-10 yesterday

What where the other scores or outcomes form play day?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DCE 22 beat Hawks 12-10 yesterday

It was actually 13-5. But then they lost to Richmond Hawks and Annapolis Hawks beat LI Express. Seems like it was four pretty even teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Edge, FCA and Madlax all 3-0 today at McD. 9d1 and Crabs beatdown by Madlax and FCA. Crabs way too talented to play such bad lacrosse. But it’s been that way for years with this team. 9d1 lost a lot of talent.

Edge was a 2021 team. FCA played nobody. Madlax same thing played nobody. MD91 has lost a lot. RR looked banged up more players not dress than dress to play. API shocker not playing a zone. West coast stars over matched. Over all some good fall lacrosse in bad conditions.

So Crabs has now become nobody?

Crabs looked good. FCA has greatly improved. MadLax looks better and handled 91, but 91 has a lot of talent and played short-handed. RR had half a dozen kids in street clothes and crutches and struggled with API. API played well and look to be improved as well. Wouldn't put too much stock in these games, but what is clear is that on any given day, any of these teams can steal a win.

Crabs looked good against Looneys and DCE "B" team? I would hope so. When they played another A team they got killed. It's been 4 years now and nothing has changed. No clue how to run an offense that can get good looks. If their big middies can't fire one in from 15 yards out they can't score against good defenses. I'm sure RM will yell at them enough that something will change. The problem is, RM has no idea how to actually coach and teach an offense that isn't simply taking your big holdbacks and driving the alley to shoot. But hey, they're Crabs. Wearing that jersey is all you need. Actually learning to play lacrosse is secondary. And if your son can't cut it, RM will bring someone in who can to replace him since he has no idea how to make your son a better player.

Richmond Hawks looked very good this fall. Going to be a tough opponent for any team.
Annapolis Hawks look very good again(most likely best team there even though lost too DCE- Beat DCE 2 weeks ago easily)
DCE is going to be very tough to beat too. A lot of strength and speed all over the field.. Beat Hawks yesterday but lost to LI Express and Richmond Hawks
LI Express like always is very good and well coached. They got a real test yesterday and get credit for coming down to MD.
These teams got better yesterday and will all be a real force in any league or tourney this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Edge, FCA and Madlax all 3-0 today at McD. 9d1 and Crabs beatdown by Madlax and FCA. Crabs way too talented to play such bad lacrosse. But it’s been that way for years with this team. 9d1 lost a lot of talent.

Edge was a 2021 team. FCA played nobody. Madlax same thing played nobody. MD91 has lost a lot. RR looked banged up more players not dress than dress to play. API shocker not playing a zone. West coast stars over matched. Over all some good fall lacrosse in bad conditions.

So Crabs has now become nobody?

Crabs looked good. FCA has greatly improved. MadLax looks better and handled 91, but 91 has a lot of talent and played short-handed. RR had half a dozen kids in street clothes and crutches and struggled with API. API played well and look to be improved as well. Wouldn't put too much stock in these games, but what is clear is that on any given day, any of these teams can steal a win.

The reason the teams have improved is that they should improve as they get older and receive good coaching. Crabs on the other hand looks the same as they did 4 years ago.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Edge, FCA and Madlax all 3-0 today at McD. 9d1 and Crabs beatdown by Madlax and FCA. Crabs way too talented to play such bad lacrosse. But it’s been that way for years with this team. 9d1 lost a lot of talent.

Edge was a 2021 team. FCA played nobody. Madlax same thing played nobody. MD91 has lost a lot. RR looked banged up more players not dress than dress to play. API shocker not playing a zone. West coast stars over matched. Over all some good fall lacrosse in bad conditions.

So Crabs has now become nobody?

Crabs looked good. FCA has greatly improved. MadLax looks better and handled 91, but 91 has a lot of talent and played short-handed. RR had half a dozen kids in street clothes and crutches and struggled with API. API played well and look to be improved as well. Wouldn't put too much stock in these games, but what is clear is that on any given day, any of these teams can steal a win.

The reason the teams have improved is that they should improve as they get older and receive good coaching. Crabs on the other hand looks the same as they did 4 years ago.....

Regarding the Crabs lack of improvement, is this a coaching or personnel issue or do both have a role in the program's decline?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Edge, FCA and Madlax all 3-0 today at McD. 9d1 and Crabs beatdown by Madlax and FCA. Crabs way too talented to play such bad lacrosse. But it’s been that way for years with this team. 9d1 lost a lot of talent.

Edge was a 2021 team. FCA played nobody. Madlax same thing played nobody. MD91 has lost a lot. RR looked banged up more players not dress than dress to play. API shocker not playing a zone. West coast stars over matched. Over all some good fall lacrosse in bad conditions.

So Crabs has now become nobody?

Crabs looked good. FCA has greatly improved. MadLax looks better and handled 91, but 91 has a lot of talent and played short-handed. RR had half a dozen kids in street clothes and crutches and struggled with API. API played well and look to be improved as well. Wouldn't put too much stock in these games, but what is clear is that on any given day, any of these teams can steal a win.

Crabs looked good against Looneys and DCE "B" team? I would hope so. When they played another A team they got killed. It's been 4 years now and nothing has changed. No clue how to run an offense that can get good looks. If their big middies can't fire one in from 15 yards out they can't score against good defenses. I'm sure RM will yell at them enough that something will change. The problem is, RM has no idea how to actually coach and teach an offense that isn't simply taking your big holdbacks and driving the alley to shoot. But hey, they're Crabs. Wearing that jersey is all you need. Actually learning to play lacrosse is secondary. And if your son can't cut it, RM will bring someone in who can to replace him since he has no idea how to make your son a better player.

This Crabs team has some good players, the problem is that RM is not a good coach or teacher of lacrosse. He has shown this repeatedly over the years. When he had the 2020 team, his weak coaching cost that team several victories by making bad decisions throughout the game, The same is happening with this team. He and the program would be better served if the coaching of this and future teams were given over to people who can coach and teach/grow kids in lax IQ. RM does a good job of setting up great tournaments and this is where his focus should be and not on coaching. Also these kids do not need a coach who yells at them and belittles them during games and even during practice..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Edge, FCA and Madlax all 3-0 today at McD. 9d1 and Crabs beatdown by Madlax and FCA. Crabs way too talented to play such bad lacrosse. But it’s been that way for years with this team. 9d1 lost a lot of talent.

Edge was a 2021 team. FCA played nobody. Madlax same thing played nobody. MD91 has lost a lot. RR looked banged up more players not dress than dress to play. API shocker not playing a zone. West coast stars over matched. Over all some good fall lacrosse in bad conditions.

So Crabs has now become nobody?

Crabs looked good. FCA has greatly improved. MadLax looks better and handled 91, but 91 has a lot of talent and played short-handed. RR had half a dozen kids in street clothes and crutches and struggled with API. API played well and look to be improved as well. Wouldn't put too much stock in these games, but what is clear is that on any given day, any of these teams can steal a win.

The reason the teams have improved is that they should improve as they get older and receive good coaching. Crabs on the other hand looks the same as they did 4 years ago.....

Regarding the Crabs lack of improvement, is this a coaching or personnel issue or do both have a role in the program's decline?

Crab's 2022 is a completely rebooted team and 85% of the kids have never played with each other before. It's going to take some time before they are firing on all 8 cylinders. The real proving ground will start come spring in HoCo and of course the summer. Save the trash talk and judgements until then.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can think what you want but the entire age of that team is 03s. Thats how they go to school so thats how they play.

I am calling BS on that as well. They might be 03 but their birth dates are January, February and March. Their entire team was almost a foot bigger than all the other teams and had about 20 pounds on them. Good team but play in the right age groups. When you say you are going to PG so you play down already that is circumventing the rules.
Beside that team most everyone else looked OK for fall. Should be a great spring. When it really counts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Edge, FCA and Madlax all 3-0 today at McD. 9d1 and Crabs beatdown by Madlax and FCA. Crabs way too talented to play such bad lacrosse. But it’s been that way for years with this team. 9d1 lost a lot of talent.

Edge was a 2021 team. FCA played nobody. Madlax same thing played nobody. MD91 has lost a lot. RR looked banged up more players not dress than dress to play. API shocker not playing a zone. West coast stars over matched. Over all some good fall lacrosse in bad conditions.

So Crabs has now become nobody?

Crabs looked good. FCA has greatly improved. MadLax looks better and handled 91, but 91 has a lot of talent and played short-handed. RR had half a dozen kids in street clothes and crutches and struggled with API. API played well and look to be improved as well. Wouldn't put too much stock in these games, but what is clear is that on any given day, any of these teams can steal a win.

The reason the teams have improved is that they should improve as they get older and receive good coaching. Crabs on the other hand looks the same as they did 4 years ago.....

Regarding the Crabs lack of improvement, is this a coaching or personnel issue or do both have a role in the program's decline?

There's a very small number of boys that have been on the team the whole time. The Crabs model is broken. They no longer have the holdback advantage as all the teams have them now. Difference is Hawks, FCA, etc have coaches that know how to teach the game and the kids improve and learn to play together as a team. Watch any Crabs team play. They run the same offense that is reliant on isolation. 5 kids stand around and watch one of the big kids try to force his way to the goal. RM can't adapt because his coaching experience prior to starting crabs was coaching Rec lacrosse. Meanwhile you have guys like Brian Reese, Mark Millon, Brian Kelly, etc also coaching 2022 teams. Maybe if the boys were training to compete in the Coney Island Hot Dog eating competition RM would be the right choice. If you want your son to learn to play lacrosse, you may want to choose one of the guys that know how to do that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crab's 2022 is a completely rebooted team and 85% of the kids have never played with each other before. It's going to take some time before they are firing on all 8 cylinders. The real proving ground will start come spring in HoCo and of course the summer. Save the trash talk and judgements until then.

It's not just a 2022 problem is the point. All the Crabs teams are struggling because the coaching is subpar. Look at the coaching resumes on Crabs website compared to that of the other top clubs. They are all glorified MYLA coaches. I know they've gotten the MIAA coaches involved. Saw Farrell on the 2022 sideline yesterday. Maybe this will help, but not sure how much time those guys have to put into turning this around. You're right. HoCo will tell the story. But don't be surprised when that story is ugly for Crabs just like last year. Are the Texas and Cali kids flying in for HoCo games?

Why do you think they had to reboot? And where did these kids come from? They have the same 6 or 7 really good kids they've always had. They've lost a lot of talent to Hawks, DC Express, and FCA over the last couple years. The replacements have come from Lax World, FCA White and other B teams. Not a good recipe for success

Crabs still biggest name and track record. Too many clubs now to dominate every youth year, but every hs team is still great.

As for offense, you are a dummy. They don't run iso offenses. They are motion ball movement to get a backside look.

Easy to hate him or Crabs, but do your homework.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs still biggest name and track record. Too many clubs now to dominate every youth year, but every hs team is still great.

As for offense, you are a dummy. They don't run iso offenses. They are motion ball movement to get a backside look.

Easy to hate him or Crabs, but do your homework.

No doubt the teams have historically been good. I have some cd's i can sell you too. Those were awesome. Things change and evolve. Crabs has not. Every current HS team is not great. A bunch of 2020's all fled after a year with Ryan. The 2021's threatened to when Ryan talked about staying with them instead of coaching the 22's this year. Most of the 22's have already left. Half the 23's left this year. he 24's didn't win a game in HoCo last year. You really think the 22's are going to figure it out when they get to high school? Keep sticking your head in the sand and talking about their track record. Breakers used to be the second best club around. Greene Turtle and Looneys used to be very good too. Things change.

Not ISO but a an offense that typically begins with an alley dodge from a big strong middie. Little to no 2 man game or seal intensive step down shooting. All about the middies driving the alley, spinning the ball resulting in a lay up by the attackman on the backside. Not exactly cutting edge or great preparation for the A Conferwnce or D1.

What former MIAA varsity (no JV or deep on the bench varsity assistants don’t count) coordinators or HCs or college ones for that matter coach for the Crabs? How much film study (Hudl or Krossover) intensive game planning and mid game adjustments vs yelling when schematically your team is not well prepared. How many position specific skills and drills during the off season? Folks shelling out a lot of after tax $$ want to know.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs still biggest name and track record. Too many clubs now to dominate every youth year, but every hs team is still great.

As for offense, you are a dummy. They don't run iso offenses. They are motion ball movement to get a backside look.

Easy to hate him or Crabs, but do your homework.

No doubt the teams have historically been good. I have some cd's i can sell you too. Those were awesome. Things change and evolve. Crabs has not. Every current HS team is not great. A bunch of 2020's all fled after a year with Ryan. The 2021's threatened to when Ryan talked about staying with them instead of coaching the 22's this year. Most of the 22's have already left. Half the 23's left this year. he 24's didn't win a game in HoCo last year. You really think the 22's are going to figure it out when they get to high school? Keep sticking your head in the sand and talking about their track record. Breakers used to be the second best club around. Greene Turtle and Looneys used to be very good too. Things change.

Things change. Agreed! From the outhouse to the penthouse - the Evergreen 2022 Elite story. Working hard every day to rise to the top. Final chapter to be written next summer.

Looks like the only Box League option this year in Baltimore is Premier Series Lacrosse box league being run out of Myers Pavilion. I think they are stil looking for a team signup and some individual sign ups.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs still biggest name and track record. Too many clubs now to dominate every youth year, but every hs team is still great.

As for offense, you are a dummy. They don't run iso offenses. They are motion ball movement to get a backside look.

Easy to hate him or Crabs, but do your homework.

No doubt the teams have historically been good. I have some cd's i can sell you too. Those were awesome. Things change and evolve. Crabs has not. Every current HS team is not great. A bunch of 2020's all fled after a year with Ryan. The 2021's threatened to when Ryan talked about staying with them instead of coaching the 22's this year. Most of the 22's have already left. Half the 23's left this year. he 24's didn't win a game in HoCo last year. You really think the 22's are going to figure it out when they get to high school? Keep sticking your head in the sand and talking about their track record. Breakers used to be the second best club around. Greene Turtle and Looneys used to be very good too. Things change.

Things change. Agreed! From the outhouse to the penthouse - the Evergreen 2022 Elite story. Working hard every day to rise to the top. Final chapter to be written next summer.

Way to go Evergreen guy! Calling his shots early. I am curious about this team. Where have they played this fall?

Fall Rankings:
Hawks
DC Express
FCA
Roughriders
Madlax
Team 9d1
Crabs
Diamondbacks

Leaving Next Level off because they didn't belong in the Elite Division

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fall Rankings:
Hawks
DC Express
FCA
Roughriders
Madlax
Team 9d1
Crabs
Diamondbacks

Leaving Next Level off because they didn't belong in the Elite Division

The dbags don't belong in the elite division either.

Crabs, 91, and RR did not look elite at McDonogh.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs, 91, and RR did not look elite at McDonogh.

I thought 91 awful compared to where I saw this team in the summer during the National Championships. I heard they added some key players after losing some kids; I surely did not see it. This team will get crushed in the elite division until MM gets some out of state 10th graders to come in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs, 91, and RR did not look elite at McDonogh.

RR is missing 7 kids due to injuries this fall. Crabs and 91 had almost full rosters and both were embarrassed in their only tough matchup.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs, 91, and RR did not look elite at McDonogh.

RR is missing 7 kids due to injuries this fall. Crabs and 91 had almost full rosters and both were embarrassed in their only tough matchup.

Crab's had a 10 year old kid facing off for them at McDonogh and only lost the one game to FCA you TWIT!!

They ran every other team off the field and that was AFTER playing 5 games the previous day.

10 to 3 is a REAL butt kicker when you have possession at the X 100% of the time huh....LOL.

Guess the whole team went to sizzlers to celebrate that EPIC win??

Go get a life you @ss wipe!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs, 91, and RR did not look elite at McDonogh.

RR is missing 7 kids due to injuries this fall. Crabs and 91 had almost full rosters and both were embarrassed in their only tough matchup.

Crab's had a 10 year old kid facing off for them at McDonogh and only lost the one game to FCA you TWIT!!

They ran every other team off the field and that was AFTER playing 5 games the previous day.

10 to 3 is a REAL butt kicker when you have possession at the X 100% of the time huh....LOL.

Guess the whole team went to sizzlers to celebrate that EPIC win??

Go get a life you @ss wipe!!!

That 10 yr old kid is much better than the actual 2022 fogo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs, 91, and RR did not look elite at McDonogh.

RR is missing 7 kids due to injuries this fall. Crabs and 91 had almost full rosters and both were embarrassed in their only tough matchup.

Crab's had a 10 year old kid facing off for them at McDonogh and only lost the one game to FCA you TWIT!!

They ran every other team off the field and that was AFTER playing 5 games the previous day.

10 to 3 is a REAL butt kicker when you have possession at the X 100% of the time huh....LOL.

Guess the whole team went to sizzlers to celebrate that EPIC win??

Go get a life you @ss wipe!!!

That 10 yr old kid is much better than the actual 2022 fogo.

His technique and skill is impressive for such a young kid, I will give you that.

But no, he is not "much better" than their 2022 fogo and furthermore he weighs about 60lbs dripping wet on his best day and was simply no match physically to the FCA fogo.

Keep enjoying that "big win" though FCA Dad's....the stuff of legend....LOL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs, 91, and RR did not look elite at McDonogh.

RR is missing 7 kids due to injuries this fall. Crabs and 91 had almost full rosters and both were embarrassed in their only tough matchup.

Crab's had a 10 year old kid facing off for them at McDonogh and only lost the one game to FCA you TWIT!!

They ran every other team off the field and that was AFTER playing 5 games the previous day.

10 to 3 is a REAL butt kicker when you have possession at the X 100% of the time huh....LOL.

Guess the whole team went to sizzlers to celebrate that EPIC win??

Go get a life you @ss wipe!!!

That 10 yr old kid is much better than the actual 2022 fogo.

His technique and skill is impressive for such a young kid, I will give you that.

But no, he is not "much better" than their 2022 fogo and furthermore he weighs about 60lbs dripping wet on his best day and was simply no match physically to the FCA fogo.

Keep enjoying that "big win" though FCA Dad's....the stuff of legend....LOL.

I'm not an FCA parent. I just know that if you are stating the reason that you couldn't win a face off is because your normal guy wasn't there, well you know that's not true. That kid couldn't win face offs up here in Philly. Can't believe he's on Crabs.

All this talk about elite teams. What makes them elite?

FCA is the top team in Baltimore !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All this talk about elite teams. What makes them elite?

There is a division in the HOCO league called Elite.(First reason that might jump out at ya)
These 10-12 teams are just that much better than any other teams at this age group.(2nd reason is obvious too)
Its pretty simple what makes them elite
This is a title given by League ,Tournament officials ,Clubs and Coaches

Hope this answers your great question

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All this talk about elite teams. What makes them elite?

There is a division in the HOCO league called Elite.(First reason that might jump out at ya)
These 10-12 teams are just that much better than any other teams at this age group.(2nd reason is obvious too)
Its pretty simple what makes them elite
This is a title given by League ,Tournament officials ,Clubs and Coaches

Hope this answers your great question

There aren't 10-12 teams. There are 7 or 8 top teams. If the Elite Division has more teams than that it's a shame. Would be nice if everyone gets to play everyone this year and they keep the numbers down.

Don't need Next Level or anyone else like that in there that can't win a game. Dbacks and Crabs will struggle to do so already

Hawks and DCE are Elite....not sure about others.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All this talk about elite teams. What makes them elite?

There is a division in the HOCO league called Elite.(First reason that might jump out at ya)
These 10-12 teams are just that much better than any other teams at this age group.(2nd reason is obvious too)
Its pretty simple what makes them elite
This is a title given by League ,Tournament officials ,Clubs and Coaches

Hope this answers your great question

There aren't 10-12 teams. There are 7 or 8 top teams. If the Elite Division has more teams than that it's a shame. Would be nice if everyone gets to play everyone this year and they keep the numbers down.

Don't need Next Level or anyone else like that in there that can't win a game. Dbacks and Crabs will struggle to do so already

I disagree, Don’t sell RM short. He’s no longer the front runner who loads his teams up with studs many of which are holdbacks and rolls the ball out. He is embracing a new image: being the coach who accumulates kids cut from other program, turning a struggling team around. His patience and teaching acumen are legendary. Watch how this 2022 Crabs team progresses.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All this talk about elite teams. What makes them elite?

There is a division in the HOCO league called Elite.(First reason that might jump out at ya)
These 10-12 teams are just that much better than any other teams at this age group.(2nd reason is obvious too)
Its pretty simple what makes them elite
This is a title given by League ,Tournament officials ,Clubs and Coaches

Hope this answers your great question

There aren't 10-12 teams. There are 7 or 8 top teams. If the Elite Division has more teams than that it's a shame. Would be nice if everyone gets to play everyone this year and they keep the numbers down.

Don't need Next Level or anyone else like that in there that can't win a game. Dbacks and Crabs will struggle to do so already

I disagree, Don’t sell RM short. He’s no longer the front runner who loads his teams up with studs many of which are holdbacks and rolls the ball out. He is embracing a new image: being the coach who accumulates kids cut from other program, turning a struggling team around. His patience and teaching acumen are legendary. Watch how this 2022 Crabs team progresses.

This has to be a troll. Got to be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All this talk about elite teams. What makes them elite?

There is a division in the HOCO league called Elite.(First reason that might jump out at ya)
These 10-12 teams are just that much better than any other teams at this age group.(2nd reason is obvious too)
Its pretty simple what makes them elite
This is a title given by League ,Tournament officials ,Clubs and Coaches

Hope this answers your great question

There aren't 10-12 teams. There are 7 or 8 top teams. If the Elite Division has more teams than that it's a shame. Would be nice if everyone gets to play everyone this year and they keep the numbers down.

Don't need Next Level or anyone else like that in there that can't win a game. Dbacks and Crabs will struggle to do so already

I disagree, Don’t sell RM short. He’s no longer the front runner who loads his teams up with studs many of which are holdbacks and rolls the ball out. He is embracing a new image: being the coach who accumulates kids cut from other program, turning a struggling team around. His patience and teaching acumen are legendary. Watch how this 2022 Crabs team progresses.

Is this serious? Patience and teaching acumen? Those two words have never been associated with RM. He cut his own son for goodness sake. You think he is accumulating kids cut by other programs by choice? They are the only kids that came to tryouts. You don't think he wouldn't load up the team with stud holdbacks if he could? There are already a bunch of holdbacks on the team. And then how do you explain him bringing in kids from Texas and California for this team? We've all been watching this 2022 team since 5th grade and there has been no progression other than the steady exit of talent for better programs. Screaming at kids and not providing any actual instruction other than asking the kid why they did something is not patience and does not show any teaching acumen. All the teams know how to defend their middies running the alley. They've lost almost all of their defenders over the last few years. There are definitely some good kids on that team, but they have no idea how to play together. RM has no clue how to teach them to do so so it will be interesting to watch how they progress. My guess is there will be an abundance of "guest" players for them this summer. There was for Young Guns last year. Has to be great to be a parent/player on a team where they are bringing in "guests" because your kid isn't good enough even with RM using his legendary patience and teaching acumen to help improve.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA is the top team in Baltimore !

Maybe when everyone else is playing out of state?

I cannot wait for the spring lacrosse season to get here. What programs are playing in the league at St. Paul's? I would think all the same teams are playing in HOCO league.

Top Division
Hawks
DC
RR
MAD
91
FCA
Crabs
DB
Koopers ?
Looneys ?
Dukes?
Next Level?

Anyone else

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA is the top team in Baltimore !

Maybe when everyone else is playing out of state?

FCA is better than:
91 md
Crabs
Looneys
Koopers
Green Turtle
Lax Factory
Bitmore
and who ever else

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All this talk about elite teams. What makes them elite?

There is a division in the HOCO league called Elite.(First reason that might jump out at ya)
These 10-12 teams are just that much better than any other teams at this age group.(2nd reason is obvious too)
Its pretty simple what makes them elite
This is a title given by League ,Tournament officials ,Clubs and Coaches

Hope this answers your great question

There aren't 10-12 teams. There are 7 or 8 top teams. If the Elite Division has more teams than that it's a shame. Would be nice if everyone gets to play everyone this year and they keep the numbers down.

Don't need Next Level or anyone else like that in there that can't win a game. Dbacks and Crabs will struggle to do so already

Thanks for clarifying all of that for us. (troll) The question wasn't how many teams are Elite but what makes them Elite? Doesn't make a difference how many there is . But since you know everything it appears , please inform us all on why your little johnny is an Elite Player. Better yet what is it like to be a parent of an Elite player?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA is the top team in Baltimore !

Maybe when everyone else is playing out of state?

FCA is better than:
91 md
Crabs
Looneys
Koopers
Green Turtle
Lax Factory
Bitmore
and who ever else

Thanks FCA dad. Now don't forget to get your kid to the fake prayer service, don't want to be late for that. Such a scam, a money making scam at that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs, 91, and RR did not look elite at McDonogh.

RR is missing 7 kids due to injuries this fall. Crabs and 91 had almost full rosters and both were embarrassed in their only tough matchup.

Crab's had a 10 year old kid facing off for them at McDonogh and only lost the one game to FCA you TWIT!!

They ran every other team off the field and that was AFTER playing 5 games the previous day.

10 to 3 is a REAL butt kicker when you have possession at the X 100% of the time huh....LOL.

Guess the whole team went to sizzlers to celebrate that EPIC win??

Go get a life you @ss wipe!!!

That 10 yr old kid is much better than the actual 2022 fogo.

His technique and skill is impressive for such a young kid, I will give you that.

But no, he is not "much better" than their 2022 fogo and furthermore he weighs about 60lbs dripping wet on his best day and was simply no match physically to the FCA fogo.

Keep enjoying that "big win" though FCA Dad's....the stuff of legend....LOL.

Anyone else find it disturbing that a couple fall ball games were so important that the Crabs brought in a 60 lb.10 year old kid to play against 13 and 14 year old kids? Either this guy is full of it or the Crabs have no conscience. They know better than any club the physical advantages older kids enjoy over younger ones at this age. Guess this kid getting mauled and beat up was secondary to winning just a couple more face-offs. But hey, you got those W's vs. DC Express B and Looney's.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA is the top team in Baltimore !

Maybe when everyone else is playing out of state?

FCA is better than:
91 md
Crabs
Looneys
Koopers
Green Turtle
Lax Factory
Bitmore
and who ever else

Not better than Evergreen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs, 91, and RR did not look elite at McDonogh.

RR is missing 7 kids due to injuries this fall. Crabs and 91 had almost full rosters and both were embarrassed in their only tough matchup.

Crab's had a 10 year old kid facing off for them at McDonogh and only lost the one game to FCA you TWIT!!

They ran every other team off the field and that was AFTER playing 5 games the previous day.

10 to 3 is a REAL butt kicker when you have possession at the X 100% of the time huh....LOL.

Guess the whole team went to sizzlers to celebrate that EPIC win??

Go get a life you @ss wipe!!!

That 10 yr old kid is much better than the actual 2022 fogo.

His technique and skill is impressive for such a young kid, I will give you that.

But no, he is not "much better" than their 2022 fogo and furthermore he weighs about 60lbs dripping wet on his best day and was simply no match physically to the FCA fogo.

Keep enjoying that "big win" though FCA Dad's....the stuff of legend....LOL.

Anyone else find it disturbing that a couple fall ball games were so important that the Crabs brought in a 60 lb.10 year old kid to play against 13 and 14 year old kids? Either this guy is full of it or the Crabs have no conscience. They know better than any club the physical advantages older kids enjoy over younger ones at this age. Guess this kid getting mauled and beat up was secondary to winning just a couple more face-offs. But hey, you got those W's vs. DC Express B and Looney's.

Shut the F#CK up Donnie!!!!

You're like a child that wanders into the middle of an adult conversation!!

Here is the recap Donnie, you idiot.

The boy in question is from the Crab's 2024 team and I would imagine his folks ok'd him to face off for the tourney at Mickey D's because the 2022 fogo was unable to attend and the team needed a fogo.

This isn't MMA fighting you worthless piece of sh#t, it's facing off. He did not get mauled or beat up...he just never won possession of the ball you Dunce.

Having a good fogo can "win you lots of games"...even if the teams you play are superior. When you win possessions 99% of the time, it's not that hard to wear a defense down and cash in.

Back in Nam we used to say....ahhh forget about it.

Signed,

Walter Sobchak

Now that is some good stuff! ^^^^^^^Cheers

What makes a elite team is holdbacks and lots of them . Because their not good enough to play with guys the same age .

FCA from what I see is a pretty strong team - good middies and attack. Weak at LSM and needs another go to scorer. Will be tough to beat this year!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What makes a elite team is holdbacks and lots of them . Because their not good enough to play with guys the same age .

Many Elite teams have few if any holdbacks last year. This year all teams will have a more simply because its the nature of the beast. There is no rules stopping it. Like it or not that i how the system is that every parent agrees to play in. So take your cry baby post to the forum that was set up for parents who continue to sign up for something that they complain about over and over again. Remember there is a ton of A,B,C and Rec teams for your kid to play on. Please don't join a team that you know has holdbacks because they all do now and cry because another team might have more or you are not as good as another team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What makes a elite team is holdbacks and lots of them . Because their not good enough to play with guys the same age .

The sad thing is that they are good enough to play with kids their own age, but they wouldn't be "top 10" and get the awards and [lacrosse] kissing they get for playing down.

The 9/1 cutoff for middle school age leagues and tournaments is coming. It will just take a while to phase it in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like the only Box League option this year in Baltimore is Premier Series Lacrosse box league being run out of Myers Pavilion. I think they are stil looking for a team signup and some individual sign ups.

The PSL league looks great for Box lacrosse in Baltimore for teams and individuals.

Frederick has the FILL league
Rockville has the DMV Premier league
Dulles, VA has the CBLL
All are great options for kids that want to play some real box.

They are starting soon, so kids and teams need to sign up if they want to play now.

Surprising that Autumn Classic is able to draw so many out of state teams, when so many in-state top level teams avoid it.
These teams will either be dissapointed that the more talented MD teams are missing or think they are awesome because they can play with the MD Big Boys (Zingos and Hereford)
Harvest 2022 - NY
Sweetlax Florida 2022 - FL
Grizz 2022 - PA
Palm Beach Revolution 2022 - FL
2022 Legacy Madness - NY
South Fayette Lacrosse Club - PA
X Factor Lacrosse Club - FL
Blak Widow Select Platinum - PA
HLC 2022
True PA 2022 - PA
Evergreen 2022 - VA
Zingos 2022

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What makes a elite team is holdbacks and lots of them . Because their not good enough to play with guys the same age .

Many Elite teams have few if any holdbacks last year. This year all teams will have a more simply because its the nature of the beast. There is no rules stopping it. Like it or not that i how the system is that every parent agrees to play in. So take your cry baby post to the forum that was set up for parents who continue to sign up for something that they complain about over and over again. Remember there is a ton of A,B,C and Rec teams for your kid to play on. Please don't join a team that you know has holdbacks because they all do now and cry because another team might have more or you are not as good as another team.

And the sad thing is that you buy into this since your child can not stand out against children his own age. You and your kind could care less about the integrity of Youth lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Surprising that Autumn Classic is able to draw so many out of state teams, when so many in-state top level teams avoid it.
These teams will either be dissapointed that the more talented MD teams are missing or think they are awesome because they can play with the MD Big Boys (Zingos and Hereford)
Harvest 2022 - NY
Sweetlax Florida 2022 - FL
Grizz 2022 - PA
Palm Beach Revolution 2022 - FL
2022 Legacy Madness - NY
South Fayette Lacrosse Club - PA
X Factor Lacrosse Club - FL
Blak Widow Select Platinum - PA
HLC 2022
True PA 2022 - PA
Evergreen 2022 - VA
Zingos 2022

Agree...but at least the Zingos are in it!

Why do we call it elite when those players aren’t . They are holdbacks that taking advantage of the rules. Elite is playing up not playing so you can say your good .why not do a post grad year instead of holding back..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Surprising that Autumn Classic is able to draw so many out of state teams, when so many in-state top level teams avoid it.
These teams will either be dissapointed that the more talented MD teams are missing or think they are awesome because they can play with the MD Big Boys (Zingos and Hereford)
Harvest 2022 - NY
Sweetlax Florida 2022 - FL
Grizz 2022 - PA
Palm Beach Revolution 2022 - FL
2022 Legacy Madness - NY
South Fayette Lacrosse Club - PA
X Factor Lacrosse Club - FL
Blak Widow Select Platinum - PA
HLC 2022
True PA 2022 - PA
Evergreen 2022 - VA
Zingos 2022

There is a ton of lacrosse at the A,B,C and Rec levels that want to play in tournaments that they will be competitive in. Theses Coaches to a good job of placing three teams. Its fall ball and they will have a good idea where they will belong in the spring and summer. AA or elite teams get nothing out of these tournaments and its good they are not in them. Aloha and Hogan lax to a good job have having multiple divisions in there tournaments to fit all the teams . Remember , there is only 8-10 AA or Elite teams in MD and half that number in most other states. There is hundreds of other teams at this age group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What makes a elite team is holdbacks and lots of them . Because their not good enough to play with guys the same age .

Many Elite teams have few if any holdbacks last year. This year all teams will have a more simply because its the nature of the beast. There is no rules stopping it. Like it or not that i how the system is that every parent agrees to play in. So take your cry baby post to the forum that was set up for parents who continue to sign up for something that they complain about over and over again. Remember there is a ton of A,B,C and Rec teams for your kid to play on. Please don't join a team that you know has holdbacks because they all do now and cry because another team might have more or you are not as good as another team.

And the sad thing is that you buy into this since your child can not stand out against children his own age. You and your kind could care less about the integrity of Youth lacrosse.

My son is not a holdback but has few on his team and he gets jacked up to play against them and anyone else. He will also never whine or complain about doing so. Just a small life lesson he gets on a daily basis(life is not fair) and chooses to play on. He also knows not to sign up for something he will only discredit or complain about. If he didn't want to play at this level then he wouldn't. He also is well aware of his peers that have daddy dictating every single thing and those that make excuses. Hence , he will never ever spend time with those that choose to do something only to whine and complain about it. So. me and my kind care more about lacrosse and the unreal competitive teams from Rec to AA. We do more for this sport than most and the Integrity of the sport is higher than ever at every level. AA is as very small handful of teams that CHOOSE to play at that level well aware of the rules and holdbacks.There is hundreds of teams this weekend playing that are not at that level because they CHOOSE not to play AA . Hundreds of teams this weekend. We do not buy into anything , we choose to do things. Me and My Kind' that is funny stuff.
Car ride homes for your kid must be exciting-

Could we see a Crabs Evergreen matchup on Sunday?

That is the Saturday rotation. Crabs are playing in it Sunday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Surprising that Autumn Classic is able to draw so many out of state teams, when so many in-state top level teams avoid it.
These teams will either be dissapointed that the more talented MD teams are missing or think they are awesome because they can play with the MD Big Boys (Zingos and Hereford)
Harvest 2022 - NY
Sweetlax Florida 2022 - FL
Grizz 2022 - PA
Palm Beach Revolution 2022 - FL
2022 Legacy Madness - NY
South Fayette Lacrosse Club - PA
X Factor Lacrosse Club - FL
Blak Widow Select Platinum - PA
HLC 2022
True PA 2022 - PA
Evergreen 2022 - VA
Zingos 2022

There is a ton of lacrosse at the A,B,C and Rec levels that want to play in tournaments that they will be competitive in. Theses Coaches to a good job of placing three teams. Its fall ball and they will have a good idea where they will belong in the spring and summer. AA or elite teams get nothing out of these tournaments and its good they are not in them. Aloha and Hogan lax to a good job have having multiple divisions in there tournaments to fit all the teams . Remember , there is only 8-10 AA or Elite teams in MD and half that number in most other states. There is hundreds of other teams at this age group.

I agree with what you say. But B and C shouldnt be paying 1000 plus to play against other B and C teams. There was Rec tournaments and True Elite tournaments years ago.. No more. Now the money grab and convincing parents Club is where to play has given us the money grab going on. Most of the teams on your list should be a A or B Rec team. Sweetlax and Palm Beach teams should win easily as they are the only teams that are somewhere close to elite there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why do we call it elite when those players aren’t . They are holdbacks that taking advantage of the rules. Elite is playing up not playing so you can say your good .why not do a post grad year instead of holding back..

Talking about Youth lacrosse that is exactly what elite means. The team with the most holdbacks. Especially on the north East Coast. Even FL, TX GA and NC are playing the holdback game in Lacrosse now.

Pretty sad but that is the way it is and within the rules now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Surprising that Autumn Classic is able to draw so many out of state teams, when so many in-state top level teams avoid it.
These teams will either be dissapointed that the more talented MD teams are missing or think they are awesome because they can play with the MD Big Boys (Zingos and Hereford)
Harvest 2022 - NY
Sweetlax Florida 2022 - FL
Grizz 2022 - PA
Palm Beach Revolution 2022 - FL
2022 Legacy Madness - NY
South Fayette Lacrosse Club - PA
X Factor Lacrosse Club - FL
Blak Widow Select Platinum - PA
HLC 2022
True PA 2022 - PA
Evergreen 2022 - VA
Zingos 2022

There is a ton of lacrosse at the A,B,C and Rec levels that want to play in tournaments that they will be competitive in. Theses Coaches to a good job of placing three teams. Its fall ball and they will have a good idea where they will belong in the spring and summer. AA or elite teams get nothing out of these tournaments and its good they are not in them. Aloha and Hogan lax to a good job have having multiple divisions in there tournaments to fit all the teams . Remember , there is only 8-10 AA or Elite teams in MD and half that number in most other states. There is hundreds of other teams at this age group.

Evergreen 3 True PA 3
Evergreen 9 Black Widow Select Platinum 5
Evergreen 12 Zingos 5

New sheriff approaching town. We want Hawks!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What makes a elite team is holdbacks and lots of them . Because their not good enough to play with guys the same age .

Many Elite teams have few if any holdbacks last year. This year all teams will have a more simply because its the nature of the beast. There is no rules stopping it. Like it or not that i how the system is that every parent agrees to play in. So take your cry baby post to the forum that was set up for parents who continue to sign up for something that they complain about over and over again. Remember there is a ton of A,B,C and Rec teams for your kid to play on. Please don't join a team that you know has holdbacks because they all do now and cry because another team might have more or you are not as good as another team.

And the sad thing is that you buy into this since your child can not stand out against children his own age. You and your kind could care less about the integrity of Youth lacrosse.

My son is not a holdback but has few on his team and he gets jacked up to play against them and anyone else. He will also never whine or complain about doing so. Just a small life lesson he gets on a daily basis(life is not fair) and chooses to play on. He also knows not to sign up for something he will only discredit or complain about. If he didn't want to play at this level then he wouldn't. He also is well aware of his peers that have daddy dictating every single thing and those that make excuses. Hence , he will never ever spend time with those that choose to do something only to whine and complain about it. So. me and my kind care more about lacrosse and the unreal competitive teams from Rec to AA. We do more for this sport than most and the Integrity of the sport is higher than ever at every level. AA is as very small handful of teams that CHOOSE to play at that level well aware of the rules and holdbacks.There is hundreds of teams this weekend playing that are not at that level because they CHOOSE not to play AA . Hundreds of teams this weekend. We do not buy into anything , we choose to do things. Me and My Kind' that is funny stuff.
Car ride homes for your kid must be exciting-

You're also teaching him to be a sucker

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What makes a elite team is holdbacks and lots of them . Because their not good enough to play with guys the same age .

Many Elite teams have few if any holdbacks last year. This year all teams will have a more simply because its the nature of the beast. There is no rules stopping it. Like it or not that i how the system is that every parent agrees to play in. So take your cry baby post to the forum that was set up for parents who continue to sign up for something that they complain about over and over again. Remember there is a ton of A,B,C and Rec teams for your kid to play on. Please don't join a team that you know has holdbacks because they all do now and cry because another team might have more or you are not as good as another team.

And the sad thing is that you buy into this since your child can not stand out against children his own age. You and your kind could care less about the integrity of Youth lacrosse.

My son is not a holdback but has few on his team and he gets jacked up to play against them and anyone else. He will also never whine or complain about doing so. Just a small life lesson he gets on a daily basis(life is not fair) and chooses to play on. He also knows not to sign up for something he will only discredit or complain about. If he didn't want to play at this level then he wouldn't. He also is well aware of his peers that have daddy dictating every single thing and those that make excuses. Hence , he will never ever spend time with those that choose to do something only to whine and complain about it. So. me and my kind care more about lacrosse and the unreal competitive teams from Rec to AA. We do more for this sport than most and the Integrity of the sport is higher than ever at every level. AA is as very small handful of teams that CHOOSE to play at that level well aware of the rules and holdbacks.There is hundreds of teams this weekend playing that are not at that level because they CHOOSE not to play AA . Hundreds of teams this weekend. We do not buy into anything , we choose to do things. Me and My Kind' that is funny stuff.
Car ride homes for your kid must be exciting-

Glad you and your son are such tough guys. But you completely miss what integrity of YOUTH lacrosse and sports in general means. Playing on a level playing field is how YOUTH sports was meant to be played. All ELITE YOUTH sports along with non elite YOUTH sports play by AGE. That is ALL except YOUTH lacrosse who decided to give select holdbacks/reclass/prefirst an advantage that other children born on same exact day do not get. That is what integrity is,,,not being a tough guy and saying I can handle it, but you cant ! LOL..

No one ever stopped an elite player from playing up years ago, and many did just that. Now many elite players play down! Youth sports under 8th grade was meant to go by age. But somehow you lacrosse tough guys and apologists think as long as I got mine, everyone else should be able to handle it and heck with them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Surprising that Autumn Classic is able to draw so many out of state teams, when so many in-state top level teams avoid it.
These teams will either be dissapointed that the more talented MD teams are missing or think they are awesome because they can play with the MD Big Boys (Zingos and Hereford)
Harvest 2022 - NY
Sweetlax Florida 2022 - FL
Grizz 2022 - PA
Palm Beach Revolution 2022 - FL
2022 Legacy Madness - NY
South Fayette Lacrosse Club - PA
X Factor Lacrosse Club - FL
Blak Widow Select Platinum - PA
HLC 2022
True PA 2022 - PA
Evergreen 2022 - VA
Zingos 2022

There is a ton of lacrosse at the A,B,C and Rec levels that want to play in tournaments that they will be competitive in. Theses Coaches to a good job of placing three teams. Its fall ball and they will have a good idea where they will belong in the spring and summer. AA or elite teams get nothing out of these tournaments and its good they are not in them. Aloha and Hogan lax to a good job have having multiple divisions in there tournaments to fit all the teams . Remember , there is only 8-10 AA or Elite teams in MD and half that number in most other states. There is hundreds of other teams at this age group.

Evergreen 3 True PA 3
Evergreen 9 Black Widow Select Platinum 5
Evergreen 12 Zingos 5

New sheriff approaching town. We want Hawks!

You must be a comedian to sheriff ! You didnt even make it out of your bracket along with the team that did getting hammered in next round!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What makes a elite team is holdbacks and lots of them . Because their not good enough to play with guys the same age .

Many Elite teams have few if any holdbacks last year. This year all teams will have a more simply because its the nature of the beast. There is no rules stopping it. Like it or not that i how the system is that every parent agrees to play in. So take your cry baby post to the forum that was set up for parents who continue to sign up for something that they complain about over and over again. Remember there is a ton of A,B,C and Rec teams for your kid to play on. Please don't join a team that you know has holdbacks because they all do now and cry because another team might have more or you are not as good as another team.

And the sad thing is that you buy into this since your child can not stand out against children his own age. You and your kind could care less about the integrity of Youth lacrosse.

My son is not a holdback but has few on his team and he gets jacked up to play against them and anyone else. He will also never whine or complain about doing so. Just a small life lesson he gets on a daily basis(life is not fair) and chooses to play on. He also knows not to sign up for something he will only discredit or complain about. If he didn't want to play at this level then he wouldn't. He also is well aware of his peers that have daddy dictating every single thing and those that make excuses. Hence , he will never ever spend time with those that choose to do something only to whine and complain about it. So. me and my kind care more about lacrosse and the unreal competitive teams from Rec to AA. We do more for this sport than most and the Integrity of the sport is higher than ever at every level. AA is as very small handful of teams that CHOOSE to play at that level well aware of the rules and holdbacks.There is hundreds of teams this weekend playing that are not at that level because they CHOOSE not to play AA . Hundreds of teams this weekend. We do not buy into anything , we choose to do things. Me and My Kind' that is funny stuff.
Car ride homes for your kid must be exciting-

Glad you and your son are such tough guys. But you completely miss what integrity of YOUTH lacrosse and sports in general means. Playing on a level playing field is how YOUTH sports was meant to be played. All ELITE YOUTH sports along with non elite YOUTH sports play by AGE. That is ALL except YOUTH lacrosse who decided to give select holdbacks/reclass/prefirst an advantage that other children born on same exact day do not get. That is what integrity is,,,not being a tough guy and saying I can handle it, but you cant ! LOL..

No one ever stopped an elite player from playing up years ago, and many did just that. Now many elite players play down! Youth sports under 8th grade was meant to go by age. But somehow you lacrosse tough guys and apologists think as long as I got mine, everyone else should be able to handle it and heck with them.

How many choices must YOUTH lacrosse give you. It seems you are missing the point ! You have a choice , its that simple . No one likes the holdback issue but it is the nature of the beast. Tough has absolutely nothing to do with it.

How did MD teams do in Delaware today?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What makes a elite team is holdbacks and lots of them . Because their not good enough to play with guys the same age .

Many Elite teams have few if any holdbacks last year. This year all teams will have a more simply because its the nature of the beast. There is no rules stopping it. Like it or not that i how the system is that every parent agrees to play in. So take your cry baby post to the forum that was set up for parents who continue to sign up for something that they complain about over and over again. Remember there is a ton of A,B,C and Rec teams for your kid to play on. Please don't join a team that you know has holdbacks because they all do now and cry because another team might have more or you are not as good as another team.

And the sad thing is that you buy into this since your child can not stand out against children his own age. You and your kind could care less about the integrity of Youth lacrosse.

My son is not a holdback but has few on his team and he gets jacked up to play against them and anyone else. He will also never whine or complain about doing so. Just a small life lesson he gets on a daily basis(life is not fair) and chooses to play on. He also knows not to sign up for something he will only discredit or complain about. If he didn't want to play at this level then he wouldn't. He also is well aware of his peers that have daddy dictating every single thing and those that make excuses. Hence , he will never ever spend time with those that choose to do something only to whine and complain about it. So. me and my kind care more about lacrosse and the unreal competitive teams from Rec to AA. We do more for this sport than most and the Integrity of the sport is higher than ever at every level. AA is as very small handful of teams that CHOOSE to play at that level well aware of the rules and holdbacks.There is hundreds of teams this weekend playing that are not at that level because they CHOOSE not to play AA . Hundreds of teams this weekend. We do not buy into anything , we choose to do things. Me and My Kind' that is funny stuff.
Car ride homes for your kid must be exciting-

Glad you and your son are such tough guys. But you completely miss what integrity of YOUTH lacrosse and sports in general means. Playing on a level playing field is how YOUTH sports was meant to be played. All ELITE YOUTH sports along with non elite YOUTH sports play by AGE. That is ALL except YOUTH lacrosse who decided to give select holdbacks/reclass/prefirst an advantage that other children born on same exact day do not get. That is what integrity is,,,not being a tough guy and saying I can handle it, but you cant ! LOL..

No one ever stopped an elite player from playing up years ago, and many did just that. Now many elite players play down! Youth sports under 8th grade was meant to go by age. But somehow you lacrosse tough guys and apologists think as long as I got mine, everyone else should be able to handle it and heck with them.

How many choices must YOUTH lacrosse give you. It seems you are missing the point ! You have a choice , its that simple . No one likes the holdback issue but it is the nature of the beast. Tough has absolutely nothing to do with it.

How many choices must England give you. It seems you are missing the point ! You have a choice , its that simple . No one likes the English King but it is the nature of the beast. Tough has absolutely nothing to do with it.

We were talking about integrity and what is right and wrong I thought?? Not choices. With your logic and the rest of the holdback apologists here, the King would be head of this country still.

All those talking crap about Crabs this fall should apologize. Won two fall tournaments including the Autumn Classic today

It cracks me up that these holdbacks and the parents think they are good at lacrosse when they beat a team that has all kids on age 13 and the teams beat them with 14 ,15 years .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is the Saturday rotation. Crabs are playing in it Sunday.

Sunday Crabs scores.. Won... 15-0, 13-2,15-2, 16-3 to the team that won the Championship on Saturday. Very competitive games! Wonder how many holdbacks/prefirsts Crabs have now.

Like many have said. The youth elite teams with the most holdbacks/prefirsts are the teams to beat!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All those talking crap about Crabs this fall should apologize. Won two fall tournaments including the Autumn Classic today

Ok..We apologize for not recognizing that the Crabs 14 and 15 year old players are superior and can beat up on 13 and 12 year old players. What were we all thinking!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All those talking crap about Crabs this fall should apologize. Won two fall tournaments including the Autumn Classic today

Ok..We apologize for not recognizing that the Crabs 14 and 15 year old players are superior and can beat up on 13 and 12 year old players. What were we all thinking!

You mean unless they play the other teams with a bunch of holdbacks too, then Crabs usually loses

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is the Saturday rotation. Crabs are playing in it Sunday.

Sunday Crabs scores.. Won... 15-0, 13-2,15-2, 16-3 to the team that won the Championship on Saturday. Very competitive games! Wonder how many holdbacks/prefirsts Crabs have now.

Like many have said. The youth elite teams with the most holdbacks/prefirsts are the teams to beat!

Crabs have not played a quality team all fall. Beat up a bunch of rec teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is the Saturday rotation. Crabs are playing in it Sunday.

Sunday Crabs scores.. Won... 15-0, 13-2,15-2, 16-3 to the team that won the Championship on Saturday. Very competitive games! Wonder how many holdbacks/prefirsts Crabs have now.

Like many have said. The youth elite teams with the most holdbacks/prefirsts are the teams to beat!

Crabs have not played a quality team all fall. Beat up a bunch of rec teams.

They played one team that will be in the top HoCo division

Crabs 2022 has not made the playoffs since inception - NYPLL and HOCO.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2022 has not made the playoffs since inception - NYPLL and HOCO.

Not true. Made HoCo tryouts in 2016. Lost in first round to Madlax, but they did make the playoffs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2022 has not made the playoffs since inception - NYPLL and HOCO.

This year 2022 is 8th grade . That means it is the year of the reclass of 2021 players. Crabs are loaded with holdbacks already..now more

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2022 has not made the playoffs since inception - NYPLL and HOCO.

This year 2022 is 8th grade . That means it is the year of the reclass of 2021 players. Crabs are loaded with holdbacks already..now more

FCA and Hawks have more holdbacks

If you consider a “play-in” game (to determine the fourth team to make the semi-finals) to be the first round of playoffs, then I guess you are right, Crabs lost ro Madlax in the only game played in the first round

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is the Saturday rotation. Crabs are playing in it Sunday.

Sunday Crabs scores.. Won... 15-0, 13-2,15-2, 16-3 to the team that won the Championship on Saturday. Very competitive games! Wonder how many holdbacks/prefirsts Crabs have now.

Like many have said. The youth elite teams with the most holdbacks/prefirsts are the teams to beat!

Crabs have not played a quality team all fall. Beat up a bunch of rec teams.

Not true, they lost to FCA by 10-3

Crabs 2022 was the first year Crabs added 5th grade. Turnout for tryouts was weak in terms of numbers and talent. No cuts. And it has had pre-first since its inception. Too many other options. The Crabs brand has been irreparably tarnished. The 2023 was extremely good in 5th and 6th grade but blew up this year. The entire midfield left and was replaced with kids from
B teams. The 2024 lost every game in hoco last year and is marginally better. Crabs has now expanded down to Tyker in an effort to get kids before they become ingrained in other clubs.

Nobody has more holdbacks than Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody has more holdbacks than Madlax.

Don't know what you are talking about. If you are talking about 2022 team, definitely not true. Have you seen how small that team is? If they are stacking with holdbacks, they are not doing a very good job. I think the larger, older teams like the Hawks will plateau by high school, and the smaller, younger teams like Madlax 2022 will catch up as the boys grow. The Madlax 2022 team is getting better by consistently having to play older teams.

Kick @ss

Take names

Look good doing it

Get recruited to a top D1 Program

Meanwhile all the obsessed, jock strap riding, stank breath haters continue to gnash their teeth and incessantly gossip and post up here about Crab's this and Crab's that...LOL.

Crab Nation!!!....Merica!!!....Yeah Brah!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 2022 has not made the playoffs since inception - NYPLL and HOCO.

This year 2022 is 8th grade . That means it is the year of the reclass of 2021 players. Crabs are loaded with holdbacks already..now more

FCA and Hawks have more holdbacks

D.C. Express and Looneys are mostly holdbacks born before 9/1 also.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Surprising that Autumn Classic is able to draw so many out of state teams, when so many in-state top level teams avoid it.
These teams will either be dissapointed that the more talented MD teams are missing or think they are awesome because they can play with the MD Big Boys (Zingos and Hereford)
Harvest 2022 - NY
Sweetlax Florida 2022 - FL
Grizz 2022 - PA
Palm Beach Revolution 2022 - FL
2022 Legacy Madness - NY
South Fayette Lacrosse Club - PA
X Factor Lacrosse Club - FL
Blak Widow Select Platinum - PA
HLC 2022
True PA 2022 - PA
Evergreen 2022 - VA
Zingos 2022

There is a ton of lacrosse at the A,B,C and Rec levels that want to play in tournaments that they will be competitive in. Theses Coaches to a good job of placing three teams. Its fall ball and they will have a good idea where they will belong in the spring and summer. AA or elite teams get nothing out of these tournaments and its good they are not in them. Aloha and Hogan lax to a good job have having multiple divisions in there tournaments to fit all the teams . Remember , there is only 8-10 AA or Elite teams in MD and half that number in most other states. There is hundreds of other teams at this age group.

Evergreen 3 True PA 3
Evergreen 9 Black Widow Select Platinum 5
Evergreen 12 Zingos 5

New sheriff approaching town. We want Hawks!

No you don't.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody has more holdbacks than Madlax.

You are a blind troll!!!

Crabs dominated day 2 of Autumn Classic. Killed PBR and VLC by 10 each in playoff and championship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs dominated day 2 of Autumn Classic. Killed PBR and VLC by 10 each in playoff and championship.

hahahaha - don't take the bait..... please

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs dominated day 2 of Autumn Classic. Killed PBR and VLC by 10 each in playoff and championship.

hahahaha - don't take the bait..... please

There's no point. This team has never beaten one of the top 2022 teams. Ever. And many times the games aren't close. So they spent the fall beating up on a bunch of B and C teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs dominated day 2 of Autumn Classic. Killed PBR and VLC by 10 each in playoff and championship.

RM is turning this team around. Mark my words, they finish in the top 3 teams on Hoco ahead of 91, RR and Madlax. You heard it here first. Bet the bank on it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs dominated day 2 of Autumn Classic. Killed PBR and VLC by 10 each in playoff and championship.

RM is turning this team around. Mark my words, they finish in the top 3 teams on Hoco ahead of 91, RR and Madlax. You heard it here first. Bet the bank on it.

You forgot to mention he is doing this using his legendary patience and teaching acumen

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs dominated day 2 of Autumn Classic. Killed PBR and VLC by 10 each in playoff and championship.

RM is turning this team around. Mark my words, they finish in the top 3 teams on Hoco ahead of 91, RR and Madlax. You heard it here first. Bet the bank on it.

You forgot to mention he is doing this using his legendary patience and teaching acumen

It goes without saying when Crabs and RM are mentioned. That would be redundant.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs dominated day 2 of Autumn Classic. Killed PBR and VLC by 10 each in playoff and championship.

RM is turning this team around. Mark my words, they finish in the top 3 teams on Hoco ahead of 91, RR and Madlax. You heard it here first. Bet the bank on it.

You forgot to mention he is doing this using his legendary patience and teaching acumen

It goes without saying when Crabs and RM are mentioned. That would be redundant.

Crowing about an Aloha tournament. LOL. That is great.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody has more holdbacks than Madlax.

You are a blind troll!!!

DC Express has more. Most are 15 or soon will be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody has more holdbacks than Madlax.

You are a blind troll!!!

DC Express has more. Most are 15 or soon will be.

Everyone has them!

Well said.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs dominated day 2 of Autumn Classic. Killed PBR and VLC by 10 each in playoff and championship.

RM is turning this team around. Mark my words, they finish in the top 3 teams on Hoco ahead of 91, RR and Madlax. You heard it here first. Bet the bank on it.

^^LOL^^..........................LOLOLOLOLOOOOLLLOLLOLOOLLOLOL!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs dominated day 2 of Autumn Classic. Killed PBR and VLC by 10 each in playoff and championship.

RM is turning this team around. Mark my words, they finish in the top 3 teams on Hoco ahead of 91, RR and Madlax. You heard it here first. Bet the bank on it.

Only way RM turns this team around is if he's driving the team bus and turns it around to go back to the all you can eat buffet

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs dominated day 2 of Autumn Classic. Killed PBR and VLC by 10 each in playoff and championship.

RM is turning this team around. Mark my words, they finish in the top 3 teams on Hoco ahead of 91, RR and Madlax. You heard it here first. Bet the bank on it.

Only way RM turns this team around is if he's driving the team bus and turns it around to go back to the all you can eat buffet

Not affiliated with Crabs, but they looked good this fall. I think they will be in the mix.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs dominated day 2 of Autumn Classic. Killed PBR and VLC by 10 each in playoff and championship.

hahahaha - don't take the bait..... please

There's no point. This team has never beaten one of the top 2022 teams. Ever. And many times the games aren't close. So they spent the fall beating up on a bunch of B and C teams

Hahahaha - let it go CC, let it go....

The teams crabs play this fall suck . The Crabs are a joke

And the only way Crabs finishes ahead of those three teams is if they don't play league.

Cavalier 2022 finished an undefeated fall season. Just sayin.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavalier 2022 finished an undefeated fall season. Just sayin.

Isnt Cavalier just another Evergreen? A glorified rec team that no one cares about. Who did Cavalier play to stay undefeated? Who is the best team that they beat this Fall?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs dominated day 2 of Autumn Classic. Killed PBR and VLC by 10 each in playoff and championship.

RM is turning this team around. Mark my words, they finish in the top 3 teams on Hoco ahead of 91, RR and Madlax. You heard it here first. Bet the bank on it.

Only way RM turns this team around is if he's driving the team bus and turns it around to go back to the all you can eat buffet

Not affiliated with Crabs, but they looked good this fall. I think they will be in the mix.

2022 is the year of the reclass. Its 8th grade. The year of true lacrosse players that have not done prefirst to be heldback. Maybe RM got his share of them this year. The team will for sure have more older players ( prefirts/reclass/holdbacks ) than last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs dominated day 2 of Autumn Classic. Killed PBR and VLC by 10 each in playoff and championship.

hahahaha - don't take the bait..... please

There's no point. This team has never beaten one of the top 2022 teams. Ever. And many times the games aren't close. So they spent the fall beating up on a bunch of B and C teams

Hahahaha - let it go CC, let it go....

CC? I didn't post that. I love those kids and families. Wouldn't put them down as someone apparently did with my son a page or two back. In fact, I'm the one that said the person was wrong about them never making the playoffs. Don't make assumptions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavalier 2022 finished an undefeated fall season. Just sayin.

Isnt Cavalier just another Evergreen? A glorified rec team that no one cares about. Who did Cavalier play to stay undefeated? Who is the best team that they beat this Fall?

Yes, they're terrible. In fact, I've seen better Rec A teams.

Cavs 2023 is the best youth team for Cavs. This fall, they scrimmaged Next Level and BLC and got steamrolled both time. Not even close to being competitive games. That is why all youth Cavs teams play a powderpuff schedule. They are going undefeated by playing NVYLL B level competition. But hey, it helps Marty and Bruce to pay the bills.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs dominated day 2 of Autumn Classic. Killed PBR and VLC by 10 each in playoff and championship.

RM is turning this team around. Mark my words, they finish in the top 3 teams on Hoco ahead of 91, RR and Madlax. You heard it here first. Bet the bank on it.

Only way RM turns this team around is if he's driving the team bus and turns it around to go back to the all you can eat buffet

Yeah, he will probably do that when the 2022 crew heads down to Chapel Hill for that invite only tourney in a few weeks. All those boys have to eat well.

Here's a news flash for all the pea brain, cluckers like you on here who talk out of your butt holes...Petro, Metzbower, Nadalen and all the other D1 Coaches who's opinions "ACTUALLY MATTER" in this sport - ALL know and respect the Crab's program.

See you pathetic scrubs come spring.

Crab Nation!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs dominated day 2 of Autumn Classic. Killed PBR and VLC by 10 each in playoff and championship.

RM is turning this team around. Mark my words, they finish in the top 3 teams on Hoco ahead of 91, RR and Madlax. You heard it here first. Bet the bank on it.

Only way RM turns this team around is if he's driving the team bus and turns it around to go back to the all you can eat buffet

Yeah, he will probably do that when the 2022 crew heads down to Chapel Hill for that invite only tourney in a few weeks. All those boys have to eat well.

Here's a news flash for all the pea brain, cluckers like you on here who talk out of your butt holes...Petro, Metzbower, Nadalen and all the other D1 Coaches who's opinions "ACTUALLY MATTER" in this sport - ALL know and respect the Crab's program.

See you pathetic scrubs come spring.

Crab Nation!!!

I can hear the Ocean City/Baltimore accent from here.

Crabs 2022 are weak and they always have been. College coaches (like the ones you mentioned) have bigger fish to fry than 8th graders with the new recruiting legislation.

Now head on over to the Golden Corral and get you something to eat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavs 2023 is the best youth team for Cavs. This fall, they scrimmaged Next Level and BLC and got steamrolled both time. Not even close to being competitive games. That is why all youth Cavs teams play a powderpuff schedule. They are going undefeated by playing NVYLL B level competition. But hey, it helps Marty and Bruce to pay the bills.

But hey, that is the 16th ranked team in the world you are talking about. They are still no Evergreen

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs dominated day 2 of Autumn Classic. Killed PBR and VLC by 10 each in playoff and championship.

RM is turning this team around. Mark my words, they finish in the top 3 teams on Hoco ahead of 91, RR and Madlax. You heard it here first. Bet the bank on it.

Only way RM turns this team around is if he's driving the team bus and turns it around to go back to the all you can eat buffet

Yeah, he will probably do that when the 2022 crew heads down to Chapel Hill for that invite only tourney in a few weeks. All those boys have to eat well.

Here's a news flash for all the pea brain, cluckers like you on here who talk out of your butt holes...Petro, Metzbower, Nadalen and all the other D1 Coaches who's opinions "ACTUALLY MATTER" in this sport - ALL know and respect the Crab's program.

See you pathetic scrubs come spring.

Crab Nation!!!

I can hear the Ocean City/Baltimore accent from here.

Crabs 2022 are weak and they always have been. College coaches (like the ones you mentioned) have bigger fish to fry than 8th graders with the new recruiting legislation.

Now head on over to the Golden Corral and get you something to eat.

Another jealous, blithering, low life moron with no reading comprehension.

"Bigger Fish to Fry"....Nadalen is coaching the Crab's middle school box team this winter you [lacrosse] and the whole reason the Crab's are heading to UNC is because they were INVITED by Metzbower. Duhhhhhhh!!!!!

But according to you these very coaches don't have any interest in 8th graders? NO..they just don't have any interest in YOUR 8th graders.

Now stop picking your nose and head back to the kitchen to ensure you have enough food on order for the real teams come Dec.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs dominated day 2 of Autumn Classic. Killed PBR and VLC by 10 each in playoff and championship.

RM is turning this team around. Mark my words, they finish in the top 3 teams on Hoco ahead of 91, RR and Madlax. You heard it here first. Bet the bank on it.

Only way RM turns this team around is if he's driving the team bus and turns it around to go back to the all you can eat buffet

Yeah, he will probably do that when the 2022 crew heads down to Chapel Hill for that invite only tourney in a few weeks. All those boys have to eat well.

Here's a news flash for all the pea brain, cluckers like you on here who talk out of your butt holes...Petro, Metzbower, Nadalen and all the other D1 Coaches who's opinions "ACTUALLY MATTER" in this sport - ALL know and respect the Crab's program.

See you pathetic scrubs come spring.

Crab Nation!!!

I can hear the Ocean City/Baltimore accent from here.

Crabs 2022 are weak and they always have been. College coaches (like the ones you mentioned) have bigger fish to fry than 8th graders with the new recruiting legislation.

Now head on over to the Golden Corral and get you something to eat.

Another jealous, blithering, low life moron with no reading comprehension.

"Bigger Fish to Fry"....Nadalen is coaching the Crab's middle school box team this winter you [lacrosse] and the whole reason the Crab's are heading to UNC is because they were INVITED by Metzbower. Duhhhhhhh!!!!!

But according to you these very coaches don't have any interest in 8th graders? NO..they just don't have any interest in YOUR 8th graders.

Now stop picking your nose and head back to the kitchen to ensure you have enough food on order for the real teams come Dec.

The box team isn't just Crabs kids. Inivited by Metzbower? Cool stuff. I suppose Hawks, LI Express, Igloo, DC Express, etc were all invited too as only the best of the best must have received this coveted invitation? They aren't going to be there so they must have had to unfortunately decline. News flash..the rest of the crappy teams that will be there were personally "invited" by Dave also.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The box team isn't just Crabs kids. Inivited by M? Cool stuff. I suppose Hawks, LI Express, Igloo, DC Express, etc were all invited too as only the best of the best must have received this coveted invitation? They aren't going to be there so they must have had to unfortunately decline. News flash..the rest of the crappy teams that will be there were personally "invited" by Dave also.

Give me a break Corky. According to you Crab's is weak, RM is Satan himself, but now your rebuttal is that the box team is not just Crab's kids? REALLY!!....does that mean your kid and other kids from different clubs are playing for the very club you all come on here and bash every week? The level of hypocrisy and [lacrosse] here is epic from you clowns.

As for UNC...the POINT is that you're going to get some stage time in front of a D1 coaching staff. I don't care if your grandma's team is there....it's a great opportunity for these young men to showcase their game and get their names on the radar. The rules have changed, but make no mistake...these coaches are still keeping an eye out for young talent.

Getting a personal tour of the Chapel Hill campus, athletic facility's and attending the UNC/Tulane game is pretty damn cool too.

Crab's is a locked on club. Love em, hate em, couldn't care less....there is no denying that fact.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The box team isn't just Crabs kids. Inivited by M? Cool stuff. I suppose Hawks, LI Express, Igloo, DC Express, etc were all invited too as only the best of the best must have received this coveted invitation? They aren't going to be there so they must have had to unfortunately decline. News flash..the rest of the crappy teams that will be there were personally "invited" by Dave also.

Give me a break Corky. According to you Crab's is weak, RM is Satan himself, but now your rebuttal is that the box team is not just Crab's kids? REALLY!!....does that mean your kid and other kids from different clubs are playing for the very club you all come on here and bash every week? The level of hypocrisy and ** here is epic from you clowns.

As for UNC...the POINT is that you're going to get some stage time in front of a D1 coaching staff. I don't care if your grandma's team is there....it's a great opportunity for these young men to showcase their game and get their names on the radar. The rules have changed, but make no mistake...these coaches are still keeping an eye out for young talent.

Getting a personal tour of the Chapel Hill campus, athletic facility's and attending the UNC/Tulane game is pretty darn cool too.

Crab's is a locked on club. Love em, hate em, couldn't care less....there is no denying that fact.

Locked in the losers bracket of every meaningful tournament. Don't live in the past. The earth is round....

Crabs are in a rebuild on the 22 team. I am sure how much they can fix with what they have but we will see. As other have stated this group has lots of top teams and players.
I am not sure why crabs would be invited to a UNC play day unless one of their parents set it up.

Crabs is a great program but the 22’s are one of thier weaker teams. It happens to every program would say 91 22 is one of thier weaker teams too.

Honestly other then LI, Hawks, etc there are not too many truly bad [lacrosse] 22 teams.

A large group of good teams but not great.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs is a great program but the 22’s are one of thier weaker teams. It happens to every program would say 91 22 is one of thier weaker teams too.

Honestly other then LI, Hawks, etc there are not too many truly bad [lacrosse] 22 teams.

A large group of good teams but not great.

This year will have much better 2022 teams than last year. Along with getting older , reclassed 2021 players are coming to play in 2022.

HOCO 2022 Elite division is very good from top to bottom, last year only 1 team did not fit. This year at least 1 team(maybe more) will be added that will bring it for sure.(Koopers) All these teams are capable of beating each other at some point during spring and summer. Hard to win every single game in Spring and Summer.
HOCO 2022 AA division is the same way . Very competitive teams and will be tough week after week to win.

Elite Division

Crabs
91 Md
FCA
Koopers
Rough Riders
API
Hawks
DC Express
Mad Lax

USS(Kent Island)-?
Richmond Hawks-?
Next Level-?

Any team missing ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite Division

Crabs
91 Md
FCA
Koopers
Rough Riders
API
Hawks
DC Express
Mad Lax

USS(Kent Island)-?
Richmond Hawks-?
Next Level-?

Any team missing ?

API is not elite anymore.

Cannons beat USS. Next level beat cannons by 1 with 10 seconds left and second time they Played Next level 9-4 over cannons but cannons didn’t have their face-off next level won every face-off . Next level is a big team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite Division

Crabs
91 Md
FCA
Koopers
Rough Riders
API
Hawks
DC Express
Mad Lax

USS(Kent Island)-?
Richmond Hawks-?
Next Level-?

Any team missing ?

API is not elite anymore.

API will be better than last year. Book it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite Division

Crabs
91 Md
FCA
Koopers
Rough Riders
API
Hawks
DC Express
Mad Lax

USS(Kent Island)-?
Richmond Hawks-?
Next Level-?

Any team missing ?

API is not elite anymore.

API will not be dropping down - Played in all Elite Fall stuff and are better than any AA team out there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite Division

Crabs
91 Md
FCA
Koopers
Rough Riders
API
Hawks
DC Express
Mad Lax

USS(Kent Island)-?
Richmond Hawks-?
Next Level-?

Any team missing ?

API is not elite anymore.

API will not be dropping down - Played in all Elite Fall stuff and are better than any AA team out there.

Did they win any games this fall ??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite Division

Crabs
91 Md
FCA
Koopers
Rough Riders
API
Hawks
DC Express
Mad Lax

USS(Kent Island)-?
Richmond Hawks-?
Next Level-?

Any team missing ?

API is not elite anymore.

API will not be dropping down - Played in all Elite Fall stuff and are better than any AA team out there.

Did they win any games this fall ??

Yes they did win games this fall and like all teams this fall will be better come spring and summer.
If you want to start an API bashing please start a new thread.

So will Next Level stay at Elite this spring? They lost every game last year and was not close in any game.

API won’t be as good as last year lost to many good players especially the face-off middie that they can’t be replace but they are still a elite team .Next level is not a elite team even though they have a ton reclass kids . They should be better then what they are with that many reclass.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

API won’t be as good as last year lost to many good players especially the face-off middie that they can’t be replace but they are still a elite team .Next level is not a elite team even though they have a ton reclass kids . They should be better then what they are with that many reclass.

API's coaching got much better. Buggs is taking over the team.

The 'Koopers' team is really the Dukes team and will only be 1/4 Koopers kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

API won’t be as good as last year lost to many good players especially the face-off middie that they can’t be replace but they are still a elite team .Next level is not a elite team even though they have a ton reclass kids . They should be better then what they are with that many reclass.

API's coaching got much better. Buggs is taking over the team.

Right. Because Buggs has done such an incredible job with the other teams he's coached.

Doesn't matter who is on the Kooper's team or who coaches API . These 2 teams will be in the Elite Division and will be tough to beat. Dukes/Koopers are very good and might be the best team this year, but they are beatable just like every other team. They were beat last summer and were beat this fall. API is loaded with talent again even though they lost a few players. Really can't expect them to drop off that much.

Dukes/Koopers
Hawks
DCE
RR
any of those teams can beat each other.
FCA
Crabs
91 MD
API
Next Level

These teams all have some proving to do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes/Koopers
Hawks
DCE
RR
any of those teams can beat each other.
FCA
Crabs
91 MD
API
Next Level

These teams all have some proving to do.

How many of the Koopers '21 kids are there? There better be a lot to supplement the Koopers '22 team. Since you can only be rostered on one team, I can't see the Dukes/Koopers team being consistent if they are relying on a few older kids dropping down and kids coming in from out of state, week in and week out.

I would add 91 MD, FCA, Madlax and Crabs to the top tier list. 91 was the '22 Natl. Champ finalist and has a pool of TX and NC players to pull from. Madlax stomped 91 this fall, so they are legit. FCA looks to have improved and despite the score against the Crabs, the Crabs looked strong throughout the fall. I would move RR down to the teams that have something to prove. They have solid coaching, but their team is small and don't looks as talented as the top tier teams. The struggled vs. API this fall. Who knows, maybe that means API is much improved. Not sure what Next Level has done since the spring.

I think there will be some surprises this year, but it is still the Hawks to lose with DCE close behind.

Didn't Hoco do a play in tournament to see who got in the Elite Div for the 2020's a few years ago since they a bunch of bubble teams. Think they will do this again for the 2022's?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes/Koopers
Hawks
DCE
RR
any of those teams can beat each other.
FCA
Crabs
91 MD
API
Next Level

These teams all have some proving to do.

How many of the Koopers '21 kids are there? There better be a lot to supplement the Koopers '22 team. Since you can only be rostered on one team, I can't see the Dukes/Koopers team being consistent if they are relying on a few older kids dropping down and kids coming in from out of state, week in and week out.

I would add 91 MD, FCA, Madlax and Crabs to the top tier list. 91 was the '22 Natl. Champ finalist and has a pool of TX and NC players to pull from. Madlax stomped 91 this fall, so they are legit. FCA looks to have improved and despite the score against the Crabs, the Crabs looked strong throughout the fall. I would move RR down to the teams that have something to prove. They have solid coaching, but their team is small and don't looks as talented as the top tier teams. The struggled vs. API this fall. Who knows, maybe that means API is much improved. Not sure what Next Level has done since the spring.

I think there will be some surprises this year, but it is still the Hawks to lose with DCE close behind.

RR was short handed in most of the fall games. They have improved a lot getting top kids from 91Md and a few from other teams. They will be very tough this spring.Only team to always give Hawks a tough time. 91Md will not be able to call up out of state players for the Hoco league. Forgot about Mad Lax they will be up at the top too. Koopers have enough for a 22 elite and 22AA teams. They will just combine there best players from old team with 21's and other Duke kids . Not sure about the rules for allowing out of state players in the league. 91 will have same issue and anyone else with out of state players on roster. FCA added a few holdbacks as all teams have , simply the nature of the beast.There is a ton of talent on all the teams. It will be tough to run the table for any team. Only way Koopers team can compete is to bring in Duke players and 21's. Some 21's have just been playing up and are moving down so they can play during the spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes/Koopers
Hawks
DCE
RR
any of those teams can beat each other.
FCA
Crabs
91 MD
API
Next Level

These teams all have some proving to do.

How many of the Koopers '21 kids are there? There better be a lot to supplement the Koopers '22 team. Since you can only be rostered on one team, I can't see the Dukes/Koopers team being consistent if they are relying on a few older kids dropping down and kids coming in from out of state, week in and week out.

I would add 91 MD, FCA, Madlax and Crabs to the top tier list. 91 was the '22 Natl. Champ finalist and has a pool of TX and NC players to pull from. Madlax stomped 91 this fall, so they are legit. FCA looks to have improved and despite the score against the Crabs, the Crabs looked strong throughout the fall. I would move RR down to the teams that have something to prove. They have solid coaching, but their team is small and don't looks as talented as the top tier teams. The struggled vs. API this fall. Who knows, maybe that means API is much improved. Not sure what Next Level has done since the spring.

I think there will be some surprises this year, but it is still the Hawks to lose with DCE close behind.

RR was short handed in most of the fall games. They have improved a lot getting top kids from 91Md and a few from other teams. They will be very tough this spring.Only team to always give Hawks a tough time. 91Md will not be able to call up out of state players for the Hoco league. Forgot about Mad Lax they will be up at the top too. Koopers have enough for a 22 elite and 22AA teams. They will just combine there best players from old team with 21's and other Duke kids . Not sure about the rules for allowing out of state players in the league. 91 will have same issue and anyone else with out of state players on roster. FCA added a few holdbacks as all teams have , simply the nature of the beast.There is a ton of talent on all the teams. It will be tough to run the table for any team. Only way Koopers team can compete is to bring in Duke players and 21's. Some 21's have just been playing up and are moving down so they can play during the spring.

What a string of nonsense. You know nothing about most of these teams. You are obviously a RR parent based on you advocating for them, but the rest of this is just pure conjecture. Only team to always give Hawks a tough time? I guess you are ignoring DC Express who beat them a couple weeks ago as well as the fact that as BLC they gave Hawks a tough game every meeting last year. You have no idea on what the Koopers team will consist of. You have no idea who FCA added because you are wrong in terms of them being holdbacks. The kids that went to RR from 91 were not their top players. There is no reason the out of state 91 kids can't come up for HOCO. They have done it in the past. If anything, it's easier this year as the games are on Saturday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite Division

Crabs
91 Md
FCA
Koopers
Rough Riders
API
Hawks
DC Express
Mad Lax

USS(Kent Island)-?
Richmond Hawks-?
Next Level-?

Any team missing ?

Evergreen

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes/Koopers
Hawks
DCE
RR
any of those teams can beat each other.
FCA
Crabs
91 MD
API
Next Level

These teams all have some proving to do.

How many of the Koopers '21 kids are there? There better be a lot to supplement the Koopers '22 team. Since you can only be rostered on one team, I can't see the Dukes/Koopers team being consistent if they are relying on a few older kids dropping down and kids coming in from out of state, week in and week out.

I would add 91 MD, FCA, Madlax and Crabs to the top tier list. 91 was the '22 Natl. Champ finalist and has a pool of TX and NC players to pull from. Madlax stomped 91 this fall, so they are legit. FCA looks to have improved and despite the score against the Crabs, the Crabs looked strong throughout the fall. I would move RR down to the teams that have something to prove. They have solid coaching, but their team is small and don't looks as talented as the top tier teams. The struggled vs. API this fall. Who knows, maybe that means API is much improved. Not sure what Next Level has done since the spring.

I think there will be some surprises this year, but it is still the Hawks to lose with DCE close behind.

RR was short handed in most of the fall games. They have improved a lot getting top kids from 91Md and a few from other teams. They will be very tough this spring.Only team to always give Hawks a tough time. 91Md will not be able to call up out of state players for the Hoco league. Forgot about Mad Lax they will be up at the top too. Koopers have enough for a 22 elite and 22AA teams. They will just combine there best players from old team with 21's and other Duke kids . Not sure about the rules for allowing out of state players in the league. 91 will have same issue and anyone else with out of state players on roster. FCA added a few holdbacks as all teams have , simply the nature of the beast.There is a ton of talent on all the teams. It will be tough to run the table for any team. Only way Koopers team can compete is to bring in Duke players and 21's. Some 21's have just been playing up and are moving down so they can play during the spring.

What a string of nonsense. You know nothing about most of these teams. You are obviously a RR parent based on you advocating for them, but the rest of this is just pure conjecture. Only team to always give Hawks a tough time? I guess you are ignoring DC Express who beat them a couple weeks ago as well as the fact that as BLC they gave Hawks a tough game every meeting last year. You have no idea on what the Koopers team will consist of. You have no idea who FCA added because you are wrong in terms of them being holdbacks. The kids that went to RR from 91 were not their top players. There is no reason the out of state 91 kids can't come up for HOCO. They have done it in the past. If anything, it's easier this year as the games are on Saturday.

RR are the only team to consistently give Hawks a rough time in the past.(not the only team to beat them) Not a RR parent at all just know a little something about the games I watch. Safe to assume you are a BLC daddy. Hawks destroyed BLC in Championship game 11-3. BLC has only came close 1 time to ever beating Hawks which was the 1st game of the year lass season. DCE did beat the Hawks with a completely different team than last year and a different team even a month ago when the Hawks beat them up by 5 goals. Again all teams are beatable but don't go pounding your chest on 1 scrimmage. RR did pick up the top tier players from 91 including fogo. Everyone also knows exactly who FCA added and who the holdbacks are. Except I guess you. If you like we can put DCE at the top of any list from here on out so their won't be any confusing on how good you think they are. Comments are not set in stone and are opinions that really do not matter at all.(pure conjecture) Didn't mean to get you so rattled. We look forward to hearing how good DCE is on this thread from you.

Yeah, the last poster had it right. This guy knows nothing.

Api is not as good this year . They pick up 2 good players that will make a impact a long pole and a middie from team 91. The rest of the kids are a step down . They lost good players and Buggs broke the team chemistry . The new players are not as good as the players left ..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Api is not as good this year . They pick up 2 good players that will make a impact a long pole and a middie from team 91. The rest of the kids are a step down . They lost good players and Buggs broke the team chemistry . The new players are not as good as the players left ..

It was broken long before Buggs got there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes/Koopers
Hawks
DCE
RR
any of those teams can beat each other.
FCA
Crabs
91 MD
API
Next Level

These teams all have some proving to do.

How many of the Koopers '21 kids are there? There better be a lot to supplement the Koopers '22 team. Since you can only be rostered on one team, I can't see the Dukes/Koopers team being consistent if they are relying on a few older kids dropping down and kids coming in from out of state, week in and week out.

I would add 91 MD, FCA, Madlax and Crabs to the top tier list. 91 was the '22 Natl. Champ finalist and has a pool of TX and NC players to pull from. Madlax stomped 91 this fall, so they are legit. FCA looks to have improved and despite the score against the Crabs, the Crabs looked strong throughout the fall. I would move RR down to the teams that have something to prove. They have solid coaching, but their team is small and don't looks as talented as the top tier teams. The struggled vs. API this fall. Who knows, maybe that means API is much improved. Not sure what Next Level has done since the spring.

I think there will be some surprises this year, but it is still the Hawks to lose with DCE close behind.

RR was short handed in most of the fall games. They have improved a lot getting top kids from 91Md and a few from other teams. They will be very tough this spring.Only team to always give Hawks a tough time. 91Md will not be able to call up out of state players for the Hoco league. Forgot about Mad Lax they will be up at the top too. Koopers have enough for a 22 elite and 22AA teams. They will just combine there best players from old team with 21's and other Duke kids . Not sure about the rules for allowing out of state players in the league. 91 will have same issue and anyone else with out of state players on roster. FCA added a few holdbacks as all teams have , simply the nature of the beast.There is a ton of talent on all the teams. It will be tough to run the table for any team. Only way Koopers team can compete is to bring in Duke players and 21's. Some 21's have just been playing up and are moving down so they can play during the spring.

RR always plays Hawks tough. maybe 1 or 2 kids could make the Hawks, The Hawks have 8 -10 more holdbacks than the Hawks. They practice 30 more times a year than the RR, they do 20 more film sessions than the RR yet can barely beat them. I wonder why?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes/Koopers
Hawks
DCE
RR
any of those teams can beat each other.
FCA
Crabs
91 MD
API
Next Level

These teams all have some proving to do.

How many of the Koopers '21 kids are there? There better be a lot to supplement the Koopers '22 team. Since you can only be rostered on one team, I can't see the Dukes/Koopers team being consistent if they are relying on a few older kids dropping down and kids coming in from out of state, week in and week out.

I would add 91 MD, FCA, Madlax and Crabs to the top tier list. 91 was the '22 Natl. Champ finalist and has a pool of TX and NC players to pull from. Madlax stomped 91 this fall, so they are legit. FCA looks to have improved and despite the score against the Crabs, the Crabs looked strong throughout the fall. I would move RR down to the teams that have something to prove. They have solid coaching, but their team is small and don't looks as talented as the top tier teams. The struggled vs. API this fall. Who knows, maybe that means API is much improved. Not sure what Next Level has done since the spring.

I think there will be some surprises this year, but it is still the Hawks to lose with DCE close behind.

RR was short handed in most of the fall games. They have improved a lot getting top kids from 91Md and a few from other teams. They will be very tough this spring.Only team to always give Hawks a tough time. 91Md will not be able to call up out of state players for the Hoco league. Forgot about Mad Lax they will be up at the top too. Koopers have enough for a 22 elite and 22AA teams. They will just combine there best players from old team with 21's and other Duke kids . Not sure about the rules for allowing out of state players in the league. 91 will have same issue and anyone else with out of state players on roster. FCA added a few holdbacks as all teams have , simply the nature of the beast.There is a ton of talent on all the teams. It will be tough to run the table for any team. Only way Koopers team can compete is to bring in Duke players and 21's. Some 21's have just been playing up and are moving down so they can play during the spring.

RR always plays Hawks tough. maybe 1 or 2 kids could make the Hawks, The Hawks have 8 -10 more holdbacks than the Hawks. They practice 30 more times a year than the RR, they do 20 more film sessions than the RR yet can barely beat them. I wonder why?

Why?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

RR always plays Hawks tough. maybe 1 or 2 kids could make the Hawks, The Hawks have 8 -10 more holdbacks than the Hawks. They practice 30 more times a year than the RR, they do 20 more film sessions than the RR yet can barely beat them. I wonder why?

Why?

Because Hawks subs early after building big leads.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

RR always plays Hawks tough. maybe 1 or 2 kids could make the Hawks, The Hawks have 8 -10 more holdbacks than the Hawks. They practice 30 more times a year than the RR, they do 20 more film sessions than the RR yet can barely beat them. I wonder why?

Why?

Because Hawks subs early after building big leads.

Do you mean like last year when you needed 2 goals in the last 2 minutes to win?

Cavalier 2022, 2024 and 2026 each won the championship at Colonial Challenge. Not aware of any other club that has successfully won 3 championships at the same tournament. Our boys work very hard and deserve every accolade they get. What an incredible accomplishment. Just saying.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavalier 2022, 2024 and 2026 each won the championship at Colonial Challenge. Not aware of any other club that has successfully won 3 championships at the same tournament. Our boys work very hard and deserve every accolade they get. What an incredible accomplishment. Just saying.

Nice try for a fake troll post. Looking to get some negative comments on Cav's. I can see the feeble attempt. If it were a real effort you would mention that the 2023 team also won the championship at the Colonial Challenge. You sir, are not match for the Evergreen troll

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavalier 2022, 2024 and 2026 each won the championship at Colonial Challenge. Not aware of any other club that has successfully won 3 championships at the same tournament. Our boys work very hard and deserve every accolade they get. What an incredible accomplishment. Just saying.

Right. Because that is definitely as impressive as Hawks winning every age at Young Guns last summer. Same talent level at those two tournaments.

Dukes Nationals Won brandywine this weekend beating bbl in championship.

The Dukes attack, #3, was on fire. The kid is a marksman.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavalier 2022, 2024 and 2026 each won the championship at Colonial Challenge. Not aware of any other club that has successfully won 3 championships at the same tournament. Our boys work very hard and deserve every accolade they get. What an incredible accomplishment. Just saying.

Right. Because that is definitely as impressive as Hawks winning every age at Young Guns last summer. Same talent level at those two tournaments.

LMAO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavalier 2022, 2024 and 2026 each won the championship at Colonial Challenge. Not aware of any other club that has successfully won 3 championships at the same tournament. Our boys work very hard and deserve every accolade they get. What an incredible accomplishment. Just saying.

Nice try for a fake troll post. Looking to get some negative comments on Cav's. I can see the feeble attempt. If it were a real effort you would mention that the 2023 team also won the championship at the Colonial Challenge. You sir, are not match for the Evergreen troll

It's called an omission. My son plays for Cavs 2026 and I was going by our Instagram page. Didn't see 2023 mentioned. But if your son plays for a different club and you keep track of all the Cavalier teams, then that tells me our club is on the same level as everyone else.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

RR always plays Hawks tough. maybe 1 or 2 kids could make the Hawks, The Hawks have 8 -10 more holdbacks than the Hawks. They practice 30 more times a year than the RR, they do 20 more film sessions than the RR yet can barely beat them. I wonder why?

Why?

Because Hawks subs early after building big leads.

Do you mean like last year when you needed 2 goals in the last 2 minutes to win?

Is this 2 RR dads commenting to each other? Just text each other instead. funny stuff

Originally Posted by Anonymous

RR always plays Hawks tough. maybe 1 or 2 kids could make the Hawks, The Hawks have 8 -10 more holdbacks than the Hawks. They practice 30 more times a year than the RR, they do 20 more film sessions than the RR yet can barely beat them. I wonder why?

Why?

Because Hawks subs early after building big leads.

Do you mean like last year when you needed 2 goals in the last 2 minutes to win?

Is this 2 RR dads commenting to each other? Just text each other instead. funny stuff

^^^^HAHAHA^^^ It sure seems like it. Really funny. Happy Thanksgiving to you two Turkeys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes attack, #3, was on fire. The kid is a marksman.

Of course the Dukes Nationals #3 Attackman is a marksman. He will be 15 in 3 months. 15 as an 8th Grader.

Do all 14 or 15 year old boys shoot like him?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes attack, #3, was on fire. The kid is a marksman.

Of course the Dukes Nationals #3 Attackman is a marksman. He will be 15 in 3 months. 15 as an 8th Grader.

Seriously? No way he will be 15

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes attack, #3, was on fire. The kid is a marksman.

Of course the Dukes Nationals #3 Attackman is a marksman. He will be 15 in 3 months. 15 as an 8th Grader.

Seriously? No way he will be 15

Don't let people tell you the Koopers '21 kids are playing up. They are playing with kids their own age despite being 8th graders. All good players even at '21, but holdbacks or pre-firsts if you prefer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes attack, #3, was on fire. The kid is a marksman.

Of course the Dukes Nationals #3 Attackman is a marksman. He will be 15 in 3 months. 15 as an 8th Grader.

Thats only held back one year or a prefirst player...Which for some reason seems like the normal for MD in the youth ranks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes attack, #3, was on fire. The kid is a marksman.

Of course the Dukes Nationals #3 Attackman is a marksman. He will be 15 in 3 months. 15 as an 8th Grader.

Seriously? No way he will be 15

Don't let people tell you the Koopers '21 kids are playing up. They are playing with kids their own age despite being 8th graders. All good players even at '21, but holdbacks or pre-firsts if you prefer.

Well at least they are playing with their own age unlike most prefirst players who play down. They can get their advantage on their Middle schools teams and HS teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes attack, #3, was on fire. The kid is a marksman.

Of course the Dukes Nationals #3 Attackman is a marksman. He will be 15 in 3 months. 15 as an 8th Grader.

Seriously? No way he will be 15

Don't let people tell you the Koopers '21 kids are playing up. They are playing with kids their own age despite being 8th graders. All good players even at '21, but holdbacks or pre-firsts if you prefer.

Well at least they are playing with their own age unlike most prefirst players who play down. They can get their advantage on their Middle schools teams and HS teams.

They'll be playing 2022 in the spring. 21s will be playing with their high school teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Dukes attack, #3, was on fire. The kid is a marksman.

Of course the Dukes Nationals #3 Attackman is a marksman. He will be 15 in 3 months. 15 as an 8th Grader.

Seriously? No way he will be 15

Don't let people tell you the Koopers '21 kids are playing up. They are playing with kids their own age despite being 8th graders. All good players even at '21, but holdbacks or pre-firsts if you prefer.

Well at least they are playing with their own age unlike most prefirst players who play down. They can get their advantage on their Middle schools teams and HS teams.

They'll be playing 2022 in the spring. 21s will be playing with their high school teams.

The two D1 coach's kids are legitimate 8th graders. The other 2022s on Koopers were born before 9/1 and are holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavalier 2022, 2024 and 2026 each won the championship at Colonial Challenge. Not aware of any other club that has successfully won 3 championships at the same tournament. Our boys work very hard and deserve every accolade they get. What an incredible accomplishment. Just saying.

Right. Because that is definitely as impressive as Hawks winning every age at Young Guns last summer. Same talent level at those two tournaments.

Cavs youth teams have never played in an elite tournament. When Cavs scrimmages top programs, they get smoked. For example, Cavs 2023 is by far the best Cavs youth team. This fall, Cav 2023 scrimmaged Next Level and BLC and Cavs got run off the field by over 10 goals both times. I have no problem with Cavs. The 2023 coach is probably one of the best youth coaches in the area. But accept Cavs for what it is, champions of second and third tier tournaments who refuse to step up to the big boy tournaments. Nothing wrong with that. Winning bottom-feeder tournaments helps keep all the Loudoun parents writing checks, and Bruce and Marty to pay for the field in Leesburg.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course the Dukes Nationals #3 Attackman is a marksman. He will be 15 in 3 months. 15 as an 8th Grader.

Seriously? No way he will be 15
Don't let people tell you the Koopers '21 kids are playing up. They are playing with kids their own age despite being 8th graders. All good players even at '21, but holdbacks or pre-firsts if you prefer.

Well at least they are playing with their own age unlike most prefirst players who play down. They can get their advantage on their Middle schools teams and HS teams.

They'll be playing 2022 in the spring. 21s will be playing with their high school teams.

The two D1 coach's kids are legitimate 8th graders. The other 2022s on Koopers were born before 9/1 and are holdbacks.

So basically the Koopers 2022 Spring team will be like the Crabs, FCA, Hawks, and loaded with holdbacks! Well except the two players who are legitimate. Well in MD legitimate could mean that they are in the right grade ( 8th) and 25 years old. LOL... I am so glad that holdbacks are allowed in youth lacrosse. Makes the playing field fair with all players !

Now where is the poster who says there is only a few holdbacks in MD ! We need him now. LOL

Every team in the Elite division has holdbacks. If you are going to callout teams you might want to call them all out . Right or wrong the playing field is fair . Every team has them. Every team choose to play in the Elite division and every parent agrees to let their kid play on these teams. Right or wrong its the nature of the beast.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Every team in the Elite division has holdbacks. If you are going to callout teams you might want to call them all out . Right or wrong the playing field is fair . Every team has them. Every team choose to play in the Elite division and every parent agrees to let their kid play on these teams. Right or wrong its the nature of the beast.

Amazing world where a select group of children are allowed to dominate a sport.

Just like Youth sports was meant to be played, dont you think?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Every team in the Elite division has holdbacks. If you are going to callout teams you might want to call them all out . Right or wrong the playing field is fair . Every team has them. Every team choose to play in the Elite division and every parent agrees to let their kid play on these teams. Right or wrong its the nature of the beast.

Not exactly level. Rough Riders (hoco) and API (crofton) rely on public school kids because of their location (2 holdbacks) and the other clubs are surrounded by private schools (Baltimore, D.C., Annapolis) and take advantage of all the pre first and holdback kids (8 or more holdbacks)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Every team in the Elite division has holdbacks. If you are going to callout teams you might want to call them all out . Right or wrong the playing field is fair . Every team has them. Every team choose to play in the Elite division and every parent agrees to let their kid play on these teams. Right or wrong its the nature of the beast.

Not exactly level. Rough Riders (hoco) and API (crofton) rely on public school kids because of their location (2 holdbacks) and the other clubs are surrounded by private schools (Baltimore, D.C., Annapolis) and take advantage of all the pre first and holdback kids (8 or more holdbacks)

API has more than 2 and unsure about RR- However they both have them and choose to play in this division. 8 holdbacks? Lets not start by lying on 2 teams and want to believe you on the others. Half of API and RR go to private schools. Again, All these teams agree to play where they do. If your team has 1 or 5 it really doesn't matter. Teams all have try outs and every coach that had an opportunity to take a hold back they did.
Certainly don't agree with any of it as the majority doesn't. It is certainly not the way youth sports was meant to be played. But I agreed to have my kid play at this level with and against holdbacks. I agreed to the team and the league and tournaments they play in. After watching end of summer and this fall the competition level seems to be very level at this elite division. A lot of good lacrosse from a lot of teams.Looking forward to high level lacrosse this spring. Lacrosse that we agreed to be a part of.

The problem with age base kid in the Elite level only a select few will actually play a good amount so your son will lose field time . I would rather my son play AA and play the whole game then play Elite level and get a little time on the field

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The problem with age base kid in the Elite level only a select few will actually play a good amount so your son will lose field time . I would rather my son play AA and play the whole game then play Elite level and get a little time on the field

That's ridiculous. Only a select few on age kids will play a good amount? There are 6-7 overage kids on these teams. There is plenty of field time available for the on age kids on the roster. And no, my son is not overage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Every team in the Elite division has holdbacks. If you are going to callout teams you might want to call them all out . Right or wrong the playing field is fair . Every team has them. Every team choose to play in the Elite division and every parent agrees to let their kid play on these teams. Right or wrong its the nature of the beast.

Not exactly level. Rough Riders (hoco) and API (crofton) rely on public school kids because of their location (2 holdbacks) and the other clubs are surrounded by private schools (Baltimore, D.C., Annapolis) and take advantage of all the pre first and holdback kids (8 or more holdbacks)

API has more than 2 and unsure about RR- However they both have them and choose to play in this division. 8 holdbacks? Lets not start by lying on 2 teams and want to believe you on the others. Half of API and RR go to private schools. Again, All these teams agree to play where they do. If your team has 1 or 5 it really doesn't matter. Teams all have try outs and every coach that had an opportunity to take a hold back they did.
Certainly don't agree with any of it as the majority doesn't. It is certainly not the way youth sports was meant to be played. But I agreed to have my kid play at this level with and against holdbacks. I agreed to the team and the league and tournaments they play in. After watching end of summer and this fall the competition level seems to be very level at this elite division. A lot of good lacrosse from a lot of teams.Looking forward to high level lacrosse this spring. Lacrosse that we agreed to be a part of.

Every coach will take every holdback they can, but the Baltimore / Bethesda / Annapolis clubs have 12 at each tryout while API / RR only have a couple because no one wants to drive to the boonies during the week for practice. They want clubs that practice close to the schools the kids go to.

The Yankees think it is a level playing field for them as well.

You don't know what you are talking about.

What team does your son play for or how much does your son play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What team does your son play for or how much does your son play.

He starts for a team in the elite division. As do 7 other on age kids. Just because they are older doesn’t mean they are all better. There are holdbacks that don’t start just like there are on age kids that do.

Dont be fooled. EVERGREEN 2022 are CAVS and 3d 2022 and 2021 (except on paper). CAVS and 3d are both lower entry level clubs that as you can tell enter feel good touneys to claim a "win". Their FOGO looked familar from when we played CAVS. A parent was all too eager told me he was mastermind behind this CAVS/3d/Evergreen team looking to dismantle CAVS from the inside by pulling hid son and other CAVS players to Evergreen.

Its a shame....looks like Evergreen has a nice facility....immature program looking for shortcuts to sucess. stay far away...

Looks like Evergreen will attempt HOCO in the spring. Remember Virginia and the South lost the war for the same reason they sux at lacrosse....they....are.....slooooow.....

Your son doesn’t play for a elite team . Sorry good try

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What team does your son play for or how much does your son play.

He starts for a team in the elite division. As do 7 other on age kids. Just because they are older doesn’t mean they are all better. There are holdbacks that don’t start just like there are on age kids that do.

So if you held your son back a year ,, would he start?? Of course he would, Holdbacks have an advantage and have more than their share of starting positions. Is there holdbacks not starting?? of course.There is only so many starting positions and too many holdbacks. And non starting holdbacks are still on the team.

Most starters that are on age are some of the oldest on age players. The on age players getting screwed are born between Feb to Aug. Not only do they not start, they dont even make team due to holdbacks,

Just the way Youth sports was to be played, letting select players get an advantage over others, Exactly how I was taught!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What team does your son play for or how much does your son play.

He starts for a team in the elite division. As do 7 other on age kids. Just because they are older doesn’t mean they are all better. There are holdbacks that don’t start just like there are on age kids that do.

Same here son turns 14 in January plays 90% of the Time on one of the top 3 teams in the elite division.

WOW bitter much? Guessing your son was cut from the CAVS girls team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dont be fooled. EVERGREEN 2022 are CAVS and 3d 2022 and 2021 (except on paper). CAVS and 3d are both lower entry level clubs that as you can tell enter feel good touneys to claim a "win". Their FOGO looked familar from when we played CAVS. A parent was all too eager told me he was mastermind behind this CAVS/3d/Evergreen team looking to dismantle CAVS from the inside by pulling hid son and other CAVS players to Evergreen.

Its a shame....looks like Evergreen has a nice facility....immature program looking for shortcuts to sucess. stay far away...

Looks like Evergreen will attempt HOCO in the spring. Remember Virginia and the South lost the war for the same reason they sux at lacrosse....they....are.....slooooow.....

A: The FOGO did not come from CAV's
B: If you were on the sideline of a game talking to an Evergreen parent and are in the Mid-Atlantic area, I assume your son's team lost to Evergreen (they only lost to out of state and Canadian teams)
C: Your team also plays in "C" level tournaments.
D: It would not take a "mastermind" to get kids to move from one "b/c" level program to join another. The move was a bigger hit to 3d. they did loose the 2022 team.
E: The most talented of all three went to or will go to Blackwolf.

Evergreen will make some noise in HOCO if they play in the AA not Elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What team does your son play for or how much does your son play.

He starts for a team in the elite division. As do 7 other on age kids. Just because they are older doesn’t mean they are all better. There are holdbacks that don’t start just like there are on age kids that do.

So if you held your son back a year ,, would he start?? Of course he would, Holdbacks have an advantage and have more than their share of starting positions. Is there holdbacks not starting?? of course.There is only so many starting positions and too many holdbacks. And non starting holdbacks are still on the team.

Most starters that are on age are some of the oldest on age players. The on age players getting screwed are born between Feb to Aug. Not only do they not start, they dont even make team due to holdbacks,

Just the way Youth sports was to be played, letting select players get an advantage over others, Exactly how I was taught!

'

Just chiming in here; the last post is absurd. My sons team starts 9 on age kids and 4 of them are on the younger side. -Jan-Aug- 3 of them are also the biggest and most mature. More mature than the holdbacks. In fact not one holdbacks is the biggest or even fastest on team. Holdback does not mean a clear advantage over on age kids. Plenty of on age kids that are good enough and have advantage over others due to maturing a bit quicker. Very common for boys this age. Most boys that are being holdback its because they are not mature enough and need another year to catch up. Of course there are holdbacks that are just taking advantage to can an advantage but it is certainly not the case for ALL holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What team does your son play for or how much does your son play.

He starts for a team in the elite division. As do 7 other on age kids. Just because they are older doesn’t mean they are all better. There are holdbacks that don’t start just like there are on age kids that do.

So if you held your son back a year ,, would he start?? Of course he would, Holdbacks have an advantage and have more than their share of starting positions. Is there holdbacks not starting?? of course.There is only so many starting positions and too many holdbacks. And non starting holdbacks are still on the team.

Most starters that are on age are some of the oldest on age players. The on age players getting screwed are born between Feb to Aug. Not only do they not start, they dont even make team due to holdbacks,

Just the way Youth sports was to be played, letting select players get an advantage over others, Exactly how I was taught!

'

Just chiming in here; the last post is absurd. My sons team starts 9 on age kids and 4 of them are on the younger side. -Jan-Aug- 3 of them are also the biggest and most mature. More mature than the holdbacks. In fact not one holdbacks is the biggest or even fastest on team. Holdback does not mean a clear advantage over on age kids. Plenty of on age kids that are good enough and have advantage over others due to maturing a bit quicker. Very common for boys this age. Most boys that are being holdback its because they are not mature enough and need another year to catch up. Of course there are holdbacks that are just taking advantage to can an advantage but it is certainly not the case for ALL holdbacks.

Talk about absurd. Yea that is why you hear constantly about bigger and faster players that are held back . Now you apologists want to tell us that they are the smaller ones! Hilarious and absolutely ABSURD!

Maturity?? That is why holdbacks have an advantage. They start their puberty earlier than younger players on 7th/8th grade teams. . Lets just say that your team is the one exception to everything we hear and see and has all the small holdbacks and all the big on age players. LOL..

Did you see Baltimore Command UA team last year. It was so obvious to all that holdbacks ruled the team that even the guru of recruiting Ty Xanders remarked that they needed to do something about it. And you want to tell us that it makes no clear advantage. Many Clubs and MIAA schools promote holding your child back.

You holdback apologists are Absurd along with being Hilarious .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What team does your son play for or how much does your son play.

He starts for a team in the elite division. As do 7 other on age kids. Just because they are older doesn’t mean they are all better. There are holdbacks that don’t start just like there are on age kids that do.

So if you held your son back a year ,, would he start?? Of course he would, Holdbacks have an advantage and have more than their share of starting positions. Is there holdbacks not starting?? of course.There is only so many starting positions and too many holdbacks. And non starting holdbacks are still on the team.

Most starters that are on age are some of the oldest on age players. The on age players getting screwed are born between Feb to Aug. Not only do they not start, they dont even make team due to holdbacks,

Just the way Youth sports was to be played, letting select players get an advantage over others, Exactly how I was taught!

'

Just chiming in here; the last post is absurd. My sons team starts 9 on age kids and 4 of them are on the younger side. -Jan-Aug- 3 of them are also the biggest and most mature. More mature than the holdbacks. In fact not one holdbacks is the biggest or even fastest on team. Holdback does not mean a clear advantage over on age kids. Plenty of on age kids that are good enough and have advantage over others due to maturing a bit quicker. Very common for boys this age. Most boys that are being holdback its because they are not mature enough and need another year to catch up. Of course there are holdbacks that are just taking advantage to can an advantage but it is certainly not the case for ALL holdbacks.

Talk about absurd. Yea that is why you hear constantly about bigger and faster players that are held back . Now you apologists want to tell us that they are the smaller ones! Hilarious and absolutely ABSURD!

Maturity?? That is why holdbacks have an advantage. They start their puberty earlier than younger players on 7th/8th grade teams. . Lets just say that your team is the one exception to everything we hear and see and has all the small holdbacks and all the big on age players. LOL..

Did you see Baltimore Command UA team last year. It was so obvious to all that holdbacks ruled the team that even the guru of recruiting Ty Xanders remarked that they needed to do something about it. And you want to tell us that it makes no clear advantage. Many Clubs and MIAA schools promote holding your child back.

You holdback apologists are Absurd along with being Hilarious .

Bitterness has you by the balls. Baltimore Command UA - I thought we were talking about 2022's. Everyone agrees that something has to be done about it dumb [lacrosse]. I guess your kid doesn't play football or basketball with kids his own exact same age who are a full year more mature than he is. Go find another club , school , league for your son to play in because clearly if you don't hold him back he will never play at this level. . Don't sign up for something then cry the blues. NO APOLOGIST here either. The rules suck and so do parents that continue to sign up little johnny in a league or team then cry about it afterwards. Plenty of great teams out there with out holdbacks. You clearly have grudge and do not know how every team is made up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dont be fooled. EVERGREEN 2022 are CAVS and 3d 2022 and 2021 (except on paper). CAVS and 3d are both lower entry level clubs that as you can tell enter feel good touneys to claim a "win". Their FOGO looked familar from when we played CAVS. A parent was all too eager told me he was mastermind behind this CAVS/3d/Evergreen team looking to dismantle CAVS from the inside by pulling hid son and other CAVS players to Evergreen.

Its a shame....looks like Evergreen has a nice facility....immature program looking for shortcuts to sucess. stay far away...

Looks like Evergreen will attempt HOCO in the spring. Remember Virginia and the South lost the war for the same reason they sux at lacrosse....they....are.....slooooow.....

A: The FOGO did not come from CAV's
B: If you were on the sideline of a game talking to an Evergreen parent and are in the Mid-Atlantic area, I assume your son's team lost to Evergreen (they only lost to out of state and Canadian teams)
C: Your team also plays in "C" level tournaments.
D: It would not take a "mastermind" to get kids to move from one "b/c" level program to join another. The move was a bigger hit to 3d. they did loose the 2022 team.
E: The most talented of all three went to or will go to Blackwolf.

Evergreen will make some noise in HOCO if they play in the AA not Elite.

Evergreen will render Cavs irrelevant within 2-3 years. Better facility. Better coaches. And from 2022 and older, better talent. Won't be long before Evergreen overtakes Cavs at 2023 and younger.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dont be fooled. EVERGREEN 2022 are CAVS and 3d 2022 and 2021 (except on paper). CAVS and 3d are both lower entry level clubs that as you can tell enter feel good touneys to claim a "win". Their FOGO looked familar from when we played CAVS. A parent was all too eager told me he was mastermind behind this CAVS/3d/Evergreen team looking to dismantle CAVS from the inside by pulling hid son and other CAVS players to Evergreen.

Its a shame....looks like Evergreen has a nice facility....immature program looking for shortcuts to sucess. stay far away...

Looks like Evergreen will attempt HOCO in the spring. Remember Virginia and the South lost the war for the same reason they sux at lacrosse....they....are.....slooooow.....

A: The FOGO did not come from CAV's
B: If you were on the sideline of a game talking to an Evergreen parent and are in the Mid-Atlantic area, I assume your son's team lost to Evergreen (they only lost to out of state and Canadian teams)
C: Your team also plays in "C" level tournaments.
D: It would not take a "mastermind" to get kids to move from one "b/c" level program to join another. The move was a bigger hit to 3d. they did loose the 2022 team.
E: The most talented of all three went to or will go to Blackwolf.

Evergreen will make some noise in HOCO if they play in the AA not Elite.

Evergreen will render Cavs irrelevant within 2-3 years. Better facility. Better coaches. And from 2022 and older, better talent. Won't be long before Evergreen overtakes Cavs at 2023 and younger.

Sorry, but both clubs are already irrelevant and will remain that way whether at 2022, 2023, or any other year. They will never get the talent of any legit clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dont be fooled. EVERGREEN 2022 are CAVS and 3d 2022 and 2021 (except on paper). CAVS and 3d are both lower entry level clubs that as you can tell enter feel good touneys to claim a "win". Their FOGO looked familar from when we played CAVS. A parent was all too eager told me he was mastermind behind this CAVS/3d/Evergreen team looking to dismantle CAVS from the inside by pulling hid son and other CAVS players to Evergreen.

Its a shame....looks like Evergreen has a nice facility....immature program looking for shortcuts to sucess. stay far away...

Looks like Evergreen will attempt HOCO in the spring. Remember Virginia and the South lost the war for the same reason they sux at lacrosse....they....are.....slooooow.....

A: The FOGO did not come from CAV's
B: If you were on the sideline of a game talking to an Evergreen parent and are in the Mid-Atlantic area, I assume your son's team lost to Evergreen (they only lost to out of state and Canadian teams)
C: Your team also plays in "C" level tournaments.
D: It would not take a "mastermind" to get kids to move from one "b/c" level program to join another. The move was a bigger hit to 3d. they did loose the 2022 team.
E: The most talented of all three went to or will go to Blackwolf.

Evergreen will make some noise in HOCO if they play in the AA not Elite.

Evergreen will render Cavs irrelevant within 2-3 years. Better facility. Better coaches. And from 2022 and older, better talent. Won't be long before Evergreen overtakes Cavs at 2023 and younger.

Cav’s 2023 is the top team in NVa and is not going anywhere

Evergreen is a joke they didn’t play anyone good and when to the tourneys in loundon for anyone to say they can compete with hawks express madlax etc is ridiculous

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dont be fooled. EVERGREEN 2022 are CAVS and 3d 2022 and 2021 (except on paper). CAVS and 3d are both lower entry level clubs that as you can tell enter feel good touneys to claim a "win". Their FOGO looked familar from when we played CAVS. A parent was all too eager told me he was mastermind behind this CAVS/3d/Evergreen team looking to dismantle CAVS from the inside by pulling hid son and other CAVS players to Evergreen.

Its a shame....looks like Evergreen has a nice facility....immature program looking for shortcuts to sucess. stay far away...

Looks like Evergreen will attempt HOCO in the spring. Remember Virginia and the South lost the war for the same reason they sux at lacrosse....they....are.....slooooow.....

A: The FOGO did not come from CAV's
B: If you were on the sideline of a game talking to an Evergreen parent and are in the Mid-Atlantic area, I assume your son's team lost to Evergreen (they only lost to out of state and Canadian teams)
C: Your team also plays in "C" level tournaments.
D: It would not take a "mastermind" to get kids to move from one "b/c" level program to join another. The move was a bigger hit to 3d. they did loose the 2022 team.
E: The most talented of all three went to or will go to Blackwolf.

Evergreen will make some noise in HOCO if they play in the AA not Elite.

Evergreen will render Cavs irrelevant within 2-3 years. Better facility. Better coaches. And from 2022 and older, better talent. Won't be long before Evergreen overtakes Cavs at 2023 and younger.

Cav’s 2023 is the top team in NVa and is not going anywhere

How did Cavs 2023 do in scrimmages against Next Level and BLC? Haha

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dont be fooled. EVERGREEN 2022 are CAVS and 3d 2022 and 2021 (except on paper). CAVS and 3d are both lower entry level clubs that as you can tell enter feel good touneys to claim a "win". Their FOGO looked familar from when we played CAVS. A parent was all too eager told me he was mastermind behind this CAVS/3d/Evergreen team looking to dismantle CAVS from the inside by pulling hid son and other CAVS players to Evergreen.

Its a shame....looks like Evergreen has a nice facility....immature program looking for shortcuts to sucess. stay far away...

Looks like Evergreen will attempt HOCO in the spring. Remember Virginia and the South lost the war for the same reason they sux at lacrosse....they....are.....slooooow.....

A: The FOGO did not come from CAV's
B: If you were on the sideline of a game talking to an Evergreen parent and are in the Mid-Atlantic area, I assume your son's team lost to Evergreen (they only lost to out of state and Canadian teams)
C: Your team also plays in "C" level tournaments.
D: It would not take a "mastermind" to get kids to move from one "b/c" level program to join another. The move was a bigger hit to 3d. they did loose the 2022 team.
E: The most talented of all three went to or will go to Blackwolf.

Evergreen will make some noise in HOCO if they play in the AA not Elite.

Evergreen will render Cavs irrelevant within 2-3 years. Better facility. Better coaches. And from 2022 and older, better talent. Won't be long before Evergreen overtakes Cavs at 2023 and younger.

Cav’s 2023 is the top team in NVa and is not going anywhere

How did they do against Next Level 2023 or BLC 2023? That's the point.

They play cupcakes and when they play the legit clubs they get smoked. They also would get beat by Madlax 2023 who isn't a good 2023 team so please stop with the top team in NOVA nonsense.

Who or what is evergreen lax? I feel more sorry for the program that they take this approach instead of coming and making your name.

We scrimmaged at Evergreen my son plays for the Hawks. Team Maryland needed a few extra players. Cavs Evergreen and the rest of NVa are good teams for players learning to run and cradle at the same time.....or as practice squads for the local baseball team.

Hahaha baseball....some of you really need leave lax and go into comedy.
This way the players can enjoy the game and the wanna be coaches can sit around in mediocre night clubs roasting each other.

Evergreen? Smell $$$ or because players will be forever green?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hahaha baseball....some of you really need leave lax and go into comedy.
This way the players can enjoy the game and the wanna be coaches can sit around in mediocre night clubs roasting each other.

Agree...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dont be fooled. EVERGREEN 2022 are CAVS and 3d 2022 and 2021 (except on paper). CAVS and 3d are both lower entry level clubs that as you can tell enter feel good touneys to claim a "win". Their FOGO looked familar from when we played CAVS. A parent was all too eager told me he was mastermind behind this CAVS/3d/Evergreen team looking to dismantle CAVS from the inside by pulling hid son and other CAVS players to Evergreen.

Its a shame....looks like Evergreen has a nice facility....immature program looking for shortcuts to sucess. stay far away...

Looks like Evergreen will attempt HOCO in the spring. Remember Virginia and the South lost the war for the same reason they sux at lacrosse....they....are.....slooooow.....

A: The FOGO did not come from CAV's
B: If you were on the sideline of a game talking to an Evergreen parent and are in the Mid-Atlantic area, I assume your son's team lost to Evergreen (they only lost to out of state and Canadian teams)
C: Your team also plays in "C" level tournaments.
D: It would not take a "mastermind" to get kids to move from one "b/c" level program to join another. The move was a bigger hit to 3d. they did loose the 2022 team.
E: The most talented of all three went to or will go to Blackwolf.

Evergreen will make some noise in HOCO if they play in the AA not Elite.

Evergreen will render Cavs irrelevant within 2-3 years. Better facility. Better coaches. And from 2022 and older, better talent. Won't be long before Evergreen overtakes Cavs at 2023 and younger.

Cav’s 2023 is the top team in NVa and is not going anywhere

How did they do against Next Level 2023 or BLC 2023? That's the point.

They play cupcakes and when they play the legit clubs they get smoked. They also would get beat by Madlax 2023 who isn't a good 2023 team so please stop with the top team in NOVA nonsense.

Cav23...never heard of them. Is this another backyard cow pasture "champion"

Visit us up north...if your horse drawn wagons can make it.

is this the 2022 forum or the 2023 forum?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

is this the 2022 forum or the 2023 forum?

Give it time, the 2022 forum will hold itself back and become the 2023 forum.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Every team in the Elite division has holdbacks. If you are going to callout teams you might want to call them all out . Right or wrong the playing field is fair . Every team has them. Every team choose to play in the Elite division and every parent agrees to let their kid play on these teams. Right or wrong its the nature of the beast.

Amazing world where a select group of children are allowed to dominate a sport.

Just like Youth sports was meant to be played, dont you think?

My 8th grade son has played football since he was in kindergarten, wrestles and plays lacrosse for rec and club. I don't remember a year in ANY sport where he didn't play against kids that were potentially a year older than him? In football they are called "OBLs". In wrestling as a 6th grader he faced kids with chest hair that were just super light. In rec lacrosse they typically had 2 years combined at several levels. I just don't see the big deal about a 1 year older hold-back, considering that next year as a freshman in High School, he might be on the same team with Sophomores, Juniors and Seniors? However, if your kid is one of the top players in his position as a 7th grader and now he gets bumped down a few notches because new, older players enter his age group, it does kind of put a damper on your parental bragging rights. I will just tell my 8th grader to go figure out how to kick the 9th graders [ChillLaxin], but that's just me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Every team in the Elite division has holdbacks. If you are going to callout teams you might want to call them all out . Right or wrong the playing field is fair . Every team has them. Every team choose to play in the Elite division and every parent agrees to let their kid play on these teams. Right or wrong its the nature of the beast.

Amazing world where a select group of children are allowed to dominate a sport.

Just like Youth sports was meant to be played, dont you think?

My 8th grade son has played football since he was in kindergarten, wrestles and plays lacrosse for rec and club. I don't remember a year in ANY sport where he didn't play against kids that were potentially a year older than him? In football they are called "OBLs". In wrestling as a 6th grader he faced kids with chest hair that were just super light. In rec lacrosse they typically had 2 years combined at several levels. I just don't see the big deal about a 1 year older hold-back, considering that next year as a freshman in High School, he might be on the same team with Sophomores, Juniors and Seniors? However, if your kid is one of the top players in his position as a 7th grader and now he gets bumped down a few notches because new, older players enter his age group, it does kind of put a damper on your parental bragging rights. I will just tell my 8th grader to go figure out how to kick the 9th graders [ChillLaxin], but that's just me.

No one has ever said that a kid can not overcome the holdbacks he is playing with. But just using the life is not fair work harder speech does not make the kids who reclass or play down or PG not cheaters. I tell my son life is not fair work harder and do your best to out preform the kids who have parents cheating for them. There have been several articles written about how kids with birthdays that allow them to be the oldest on the team end up playing in the Pros more often. Lacrosse does not have a real Pro option but the facts still apply to lacrosse. And a sport like lacrosse that has a large skill level aspect the year longer of playing the game allows these kids to out preform the younger kids at a large rate. Because what I read on here over and over again is if you are not good enough "Hit the Wall" well if a kid has been hitting the wall for 18 months longer then the other kids he will be by rule a better lacrosse player. And doing simple math he will always have 18 months longer of "hitting the wall" to help his game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Every team in the Elite division has holdbacks. If you are going to callout teams you might want to call them all out . Right or wrong the playing field is fair . Every team has them. Every team choose to play in the Elite division and every parent agrees to let their kid play on these teams. Right or wrong its the nature of the beast.

Amazing world where a select group of children are allowed to dominate a sport.

Just like Youth sports was meant to be played, dont you think?

My 8th grade son has played football since he was in kindergarten, wrestles and plays lacrosse for rec and club. I don't remember a year in ANY sport where he didn't play against kids that were potentially a year older than him? In football they are called "OBLs". In wrestling as a 6th grader he faced kids with chest hair that were just super light. In rec lacrosse they typically had 2 years combined at several levels. I just don't see the big deal about a 1 year older hold-back, considering that next year as a freshman in High School, he might be on the same team with Sophomores, Juniors and Seniors? However, if your kid is one of the top players in his position as a 7th grader and now he gets bumped down a few notches because new, older players enter his age group, it does kind of put a damper on your parental bragging rights. I will just tell my 8th grader to go figure out how to kick the 9th graders [ChillLaxin], but that's just me.

You are full of it and miss the point about letting select kids get an advantage others dont get with exact same birthday.

Football is by age. Is there some giant kids yes.. But it goes by age even in the unlimited weights divisions.

Wrestling has age restrictions along with only wrestling someone in a narrow weight range as other wrestler.

Two year age was the way with former lacrosse leagues. Every other year you got to be on older age group. Not every year You get to be the oldest because you were held back.

Youth sports already has many things that give advantage here and there, But to let a select group always get an advantage just because they failed/heldback/reclassed/prefirst a grade goes against Youth sports and its intent. Why not let anyone play down that wants too by one year , that would be better and the same thing that holdbacks get now..lets let everyone do it.... but we know that wouldn't give select kids an advantage??

maybe you dont mind youth sports and lacrosse in general giving special advantages to certain players that others dont get. But the majority think that youth sports isnt for select groups, If you let some get the advantage..all should get it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Every team in the Elite division has holdbacks. If you are going to callout teams you might want to call them all out . Right or wrong the playing field is fair . Every team has them. Every team choose to play in the Elite division and every parent agrees to let their kid play on these teams. Right or wrong its the nature of the beast.

Amazing world where a select group of children are allowed to dominate a sport.

Just like Youth sports was meant to be played, dont you think?

My 8th grade son has played football since he was in kindergarten, wrestles and plays lacrosse for rec and club. I don't remember a year in ANY sport where he didn't play against kids that were potentially a year older than him? In football they are called "OBLs". In wrestling as a 6th grader he faced kids with chest hair that were just super light. In rec lacrosse they typically had 2 years combined at several levels. I just don't see the big deal about a 1 year older hold-back, considering that next year as a freshman in High School, he might be on the same team with Sophomores, Juniors and Seniors? However, if your kid is one of the top players in his position as a 7th grader and now he gets bumped down a few notches because new, older players enter his age group, it does kind of put a damper on your parental bragging rights. I will just tell my 8th grader to go figure out how to kick the 9th graders [ChillLaxin], but that's just me.

You are full of it and miss the point about letting select kids get an advantage others dont get with exact same birthday.

Football is by age. Is there some giant kids yes.. But it goes by age even in the unlimited weights divisions.

Wrestling has age restrictions along with only wrestling someone in a narrow weight range as other wrestler.

Two year age was the way with former lacrosse leagues. Every other year you got to be on older age group. Not every year You get to be the oldest because you were held back.

Youth sports already has many things that give advantage here and there, But to let a select group always get an advantage just because they failed/heldback/reclassed/prefirst a grade goes against Youth sports and its intent. Why not let anyone play down that wants too by one year , that would be better and the same thing that holdbacks get now..lets let everyone do it.... but we know that wouldn't give select kids an advantage??

maybe you dont mind youth sports and lacrosse in general giving special advantages to certain players that others dont get. But the majority think that youth sports isnt for select groups, If you let some get the advantage..all should get it
[/quot

There is a whole forum dedicated for this subject. It was created for these types of discussions. Everyone knows it sucks and until the rules are changed its what everyone has to sign up or not sign up for at this level for this age group in particular. If you sign your kid up to play with holdbacks -which every team has them at the elite level and then come on here to complain ,please take it to the forum set up for you to complain.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Every team in the Elite division has holdbacks. If you are going to callout teams you might want to call them all out . Right or wrong the playing field is fair . Every team has them. Every team choose to play in the Elite division and every parent agrees to let their kid play on these teams. Right or wrong its the nature of the beast.

Amazing world where a select group of children are allowed to dominate a sport.

Just like Youth sports was meant to be played, dont you think?

My 8th grade son has played football since he was in kindergarten, wrestles and plays lacrosse for rec and club. I don't remember a year in ANY sport where he didn't play against kids that were potentially a year older than him? In football they are called "OBLs". In wrestling as a 6th grader he faced kids with chest hair that were just super light. In rec lacrosse they typically had 2 years combined at several levels. I just don't see the big deal about a 1 year older hold-back, considering that next year as a freshman in High School, he might be on the same team with Sophomores, Juniors and Seniors? However, if your kid is one of the top players in his position as a 7th grader and now he gets bumped down a few notches because new, older players enter his age group, it does kind of put a damper on your parental bragging rights. I will just tell my 8th grader to go figure out how to kick the 9th graders [ChillLaxin], but that's just me.

You are full of it and miss the point about letting select kids get an advantage others dont get with exact same birthday.

Football is by age. Is there some giant kids yes.. But it goes by age even in the unlimited weights divisions.

Wrestling has age restrictions along with only wrestling someone in a narrow weight range as other wrestler.

Two year age was the way with former lacrosse leagues. Every other year you got to be on older age group. Not every year You get to be the oldest because you were held back.

Youth sports already has many things that give advantage here and there, But to let a select group always get an advantage just because they failed/heldback/reclassed/prefirst a grade goes against Youth sports and its intent. Why not let anyone play down that wants too by one year , that would be better and the same thing that holdbacks get now..lets let everyone do it.... but we know that wouldn't give select kids an advantage??

maybe you dont mind youth sports and lacrosse in general giving special advantages to certain players that others dont get. But the majority think that youth sports isnt for select groups, If you let some get the advantage..all should get it
[/quot

There is a whole forum dedicated for this subject. It was created for these types of discussions. Everyone knows it sucks and until the rules are changed its what everyone has to sign up or not sign up for at this level for this age group in particular. If you sign your kid up to play with holdbacks -which every team has them at the elite level and then come on here to complain ,please take it to the forum set up for you to complain.

Please take this holdback crap to the Holdback forum.

And get dresses for all the holdback whiners and front row seats at the next Elizabeth Warren rally.

It’s mostly private school kids that have parents with money .. Money gives you advantage

Schedule for the MMILL games at Soccer Stop in Columbia is up.

Looks like it is Swarm, Rockfish, Wild (x2), SS Warriors, and Sidewinders.

Not quite the same lineup it was a couple years ago.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Every team in the Elite division has holdbacks. If you are going to callout teams you might want to call them all out . Right or wrong the playing field is fair . Every team has them. Every team choose to play in the Elite division and every parent agrees to let their kid play on these teams. Right or wrong its the nature of the beast.

Amazing world where a select group of children are allowed to dominate a sport.

Just like Youth sports was meant to be played, dont you think?

My 8th grade son has played football since he was in kindergarten, wrestles and plays lacrosse for rec and club. I don't remember a year in ANY sport where he didn't play against kids that were potentially a year older than him? In football they are called "OBLs". In wrestling as a 6th grader he faced kids with chest hair that were just super light. In rec lacrosse they typically had 2 years combined at several levels. I just don't see the big deal about a 1 year older hold-back, considering that next year as a freshman in High School, he might be on the same team with Sophomores, Juniors and Seniors? However, if your kid is one of the top players in his position as a 7th grader and now he gets bumped down a few notches because new, older players enter his age group, it does kind of put a damper on your parental bragging rights. I will just tell my 8th grader to go figure out how to kick the 9th graders [ChillLaxin], but that's just me.

You are full of it and miss the point about letting select kids get an advantage others dont get with exact same birthday.

Football is by age. Is there some giant kids yes.. But it goes by age even in the unlimited weights divisions.

Wrestling has age restrictions along with only wrestling someone in a narrow weight range as other wrestler.

Two year age was the way with former lacrosse leagues. Every other year you got to be on older age group. Not every year You get to be the oldest because you were held back.

Youth sports already has many things that give advantage here and there, But to let a select group always get an advantage just because they failed/heldback/reclassed/prefirst a grade goes against Youth sports and its intent. Why not let anyone play down that wants too by one year , that would be better and the same thing that holdbacks get now..lets let everyone do it.... but we know that wouldn't give select kids an advantage??

maybe you dont mind youth sports and lacrosse in general giving special advantages to certain players that others dont get. But the majority think that youth sports isnt for select groups, If you let some get the advantage..all should get it
[/quot

There is a whole forum dedicated for this subject. It was created for these types of discussions. Everyone knows it sucks and until the rules are changed its what everyone has to sign up or not sign up for at this level for this age group in particular. If you sign your kid up to play with holdbacks -which every team has them at the elite level and then come on here to complain ,please take it to the forum set up for you to complain.

Until it's fixed I'll talk about it where I want to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Every team in the Elite division has holdbacks. If you are going to callout teams you might want to call them all out . Right or wrong the playing field is fair . Every team has them. Every team choose to play in the Elite division and every parent agrees to let their kid play on these teams. Right or wrong its the nature of the beast.

Amazing world where a select group of children are allowed to dominate a sport.

Just like Youth sports was meant to be played, dont you think?

My 8th grade son has played football since he was in kindergarten, wrestles and plays lacrosse for rec and club. I don't remember a year in ANY sport where he didn't play against kids that were potentially a year older than him? In football they are called "OBLs". In wrestling as a 6th grader he faced kids with chest hair that were just super light. In rec lacrosse they typically had 2 years combined at several levels. I just don't see the big deal about a 1 year older hold-back, considering that next year as a freshman in High School, he might be on the same team with Sophomores, Juniors and Seniors? However, if your kid is one of the top players in his position as a 7th grader and now he gets bumped down a few notches because new, older players enter his age group, it does kind of put a damper on your parental bragging rights. I will just tell my 8th grader to go figure out how to kick the 9th graders [ChillLaxin], but that's just me.

No one has ever said that a kid can not overcome the holdbacks he is playing with. But just using the life is not fair work harder speech does not make the kids who reclass or play down or PG not cheaters. I tell my son life is not fair work harder and do your best to out preform the kids who have parents cheating for them. There have been several articles written about how kids with birthdays that allow them to be the oldest on the team end up playing in the Pros more often. Lacrosse does not have a real Pro option but the facts still apply to lacrosse. And a sport like lacrosse that has a large skill level aspect the year longer of playing the game allows these kids to out preform the younger kids at a large rate. Because what I read on here over and over again is if you are not good enough "Hit the Wall" well if a kid has been hitting the wall for 18 months longer then the other kids he will be by rule a better lacrosse player. And doing simple math he will always have 18 months longer of "hitting the wall" to help his game.

Very legitimate argument and well stated point. The point I was trying to make was not so much to deny that advantage that some may get, but to point out that from 8th grade on, they are going to play with multiple age groups at a time anyway. If your kid is a Sophomore playing with Freshman who are really Sophomores, or a Senior playing with Juniors that are really Seniors, or an 18 year old playing against a 19 year old, is it really going to keep them from playing in college if they are great players? If you look at D1 rosters there are tons of public school kids who didn't reclass. I personally just don't see it as being a huge advantage. At least not to the point where people are ready to trade blows over the argument. I didn't reclass and had no issues getting recruited from East BF country public school back in the early 90s. We didn't have clubs, recruiting showcases, kids national teams and all the opportunities kids from 8th grade up now have to strut their skills and there were a lot less positions to fill. We went to Hopkins camp and played Hero's in the summer. It was fun.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Every team in the Elite division has holdbacks. If you are going to callout teams you might want to call them all out . Right or wrong the playing field is fair . Every team has them. Every team choose to play in the Elite division and every parent agrees to let their kid play on these teams. Right or wrong its the nature of the beast.

Amazing world where a select group of children are allowed to dominate a sport.

Just like Youth sports was meant to be played, dont you think?

My 8th grade son has played football since he was in kindergarten, wrestles and plays lacrosse for rec and club. I don't remember a year in ANY sport where he didn't play against kids that were potentially a year older than him? In football they are called "OBLs". In wrestling as a 6th grader he faced kids with chest hair that were just super light. In rec lacrosse they typically had 2 years combined at several levels. I just don't see the big deal about a 1 year older hold-back, considering that next year as a freshman in High School, he might be on the same team with Sophomores, Juniors and Seniors? However, if your kid is one of the top players in his position as a 7th grader and now he gets bumped down a few notches because new, older players enter his age group, it does kind of put a damper on your parental bragging rights. I will just tell my 8th grader to go figure out how to kick the 9th graders [ChillLaxin], but that's just me.

You are full of it and miss the point about letting select kids get an advantage others dont get with exact same birthday.

Football is by age. Is there some giant kids yes.. But it goes by age even in the unlimited weights divisions.

Wrestling has age restrictions along with only wrestling someone in a narrow weight range as other wrestler.

Two year age was the way with former lacrosse leagues. Every other year you got to be on older age group. Not every year You get to be the oldest because you were held back.

Youth sports already has many things that give advantage here and there, But to let a select group always get an advantage just because they failed/heldback/reclassed/prefirst a grade goes against Youth sports and its intent. Why not let anyone play down that wants too by one year , that would be better and the same thing that holdbacks get now..lets let everyone do it.... but we know that wouldn't give select kids an advantage??

maybe you dont mind youth sports and lacrosse in general giving special advantages to certain players that others dont get. But the majority think that youth sports isnt for select groups, If you let some get the advantage..all should get it
[/quot

There is a whole forum dedicated for this subject. It was created for these types of discussions. Everyone knows it sucks and until the rules are changed its what everyone has to sign up or not sign up for at this level for this age group in particular. If you sign your kid up to play with holdbacks -which every team has them at the elite level and then come on here to complain ,please take it to the forum set up for you to complain.

Until it's fixed I'll talk about it where I want to.

^^This guy is just angry! I don't know, maybe I will get a slap in the face this year when my kid plays against all these reclassed players? Until then, I expect he will do just fine. Im actually kind of excited to see all the new competition. If at the end of the year, I feel salty about it, I will be happy to come back and admit I was wrong about how horrible it is.

My son’s elite team has three kids who would miss the on-age cutoff, and two who are playing a year and a grade up. Kind of a wash. Lots of room for kids who are good and on age in between. And yes it all evens out in HS...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Every team in the Elite division has holdbacks. If you are going to callout teams you might want to call them all out . Right or wrong the playing field is fair . Every team has them. Every team choose to play in the Elite division and every parent agrees to let their kid play on these teams. Right or wrong its the nature of the beast.

Amazing world where a select group of children are allowed to dominate a sport.
Just like Youth sports was meant to be played, dont you think?

My 8th grade son has played football since he was in kindergarten, wrestles and plays lacrosse for rec and club. I don't remember a year in ANY sport where he didn't play against kids that were potentially a year older than him? In football they are called "OBLs". In wrestling as a 6th grader he faced kids with chest hair that were just super light. In rec lacrosse they typically had 2 years combined at several levels. I just don't see the big deal about a 1 year older hold-back, considering that next year as a freshman in High School, he might be on the same team with Sophomores, Juniors and Seniors? However, if your kid is one of the top players in his position as a 7th grader and now he gets bumped down a few notches because new, older players enter his age group, it does kind of put a damper on your parental bragging rights. I will just tell my 8th grader to go figure out how to kick the 9th graders [ChillLaxin], but that's just me.

You are full of it and miss the point about letting select kids get an advantage others dont get with exact same birthday.
Football is by age. Is there some giant kids yes.. But it goes by age even in the unlimited weights divisions.
Wrestling has age restrictions along with only wrestling someone in a narrow weight range as other wrestler.
Two year age was the way with former lacrosse leagues. Every other year you got to be on older age group. Not every year You get to be the oldest because you were held back.

Youth sports already has many things that give advantage here and there, But to let a select group always get an advantage just because they failed/heldback/reclassed/prefirst a grade goes against Youth sports and its intent. Why not let anyone play down that wants too by one year , that would be better and the same thing that holdbacks get now..lets let everyone do it.... but we know that wouldn't give select kids an advantage??

maybe you dont mind youth sports and lacrosse in general giving special advantages to certain players that others dont get. But the majority think that youth sports isnt for select groups, If you let some get the advantage..all should get it

There is a whole forum dedicated for this subject. It was created for these types of discussions. Everyone knows it sucks and until the rules are changed its what everyone has to sign up or not sign up for at this level for this age group in particular. If you sign your kid up to play with holdbacks -which every team has them at the elite level and then come on here to complain ,please take it to the forum set up for you to complain.

Please take this holdback crap to the Holdback forum.

And get dresses for all the holdback whiners and front row seats at the next Elizabeth Warren rally.

Elizabeth Warren is another holdback apologist like you. She believes in carving out advantages for special groups like you do, not competing on a level playing field like most people do.

You are lucky that you held your son back so he could compete. If not, people like you end up finding a safe place to hug their gerbil due to this horror of competing on a level playing field..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Every team in the Elite division has holdbacks. If you are going to callout teams you might want to call them all out . Right or wrong the playing field is fair . Every team has them. Every team choose to play in the Elite division and every parent agrees to let their kid play on these teams. Right or wrong its the nature of the beast.
Amazing world where a select group of children are allowed to dominate a sport.
Just like Youth sports was meant to be played, dont you think?

My 8th grade son has played football since he was in kindergarten, wrestles and plays lacrosse for rec and club. I don't remember a year in ANY sport where he didn't play against kids that were potentially a year older than him? In football they are called "OBLs". In wrestling as a 6th grader he faced kids with chest hair that were just super light. In rec lacrosse they typically had 2 years combined at several levels. I just don't see the big deal about a 1 year older hold-back, considering that next year as a freshman in High School, he might be on the same team with Sophomores, Juniors and Seniors? However, if your kid is one of the top players in his position as a 7th grader and now he gets bumped down a few notches because new, older players enter his age group, it does kind of put a damper on your parental bragging rights. I will just tell my 8th grader to go figure out how to kick the 9th graders [ChillLaxin], but that's just me.

No one has ever said that a kid can not overcome the holdbacks he is playing with. But just using the life is not fair work harder speech does not make the kids who reclass or play down or PG not cheaters. I tell my son life is not fair work harder and do your best to out preform the kids who have parents cheating for them. There have been several articles written about how kids with birthdays that allow them to be the oldest on the team end up playing in the Pros more often. Lacrosse does not have a real Pro option but the facts still apply to lacrosse. And a sport like lacrosse that has a large skill level aspect the year longer of playing the game allows these kids to out preform the younger kids at a large rate. Because what I read on here over and over again is if you are not good enough "Hit the Wall" well if a kid has been hitting the wall for 18 months longer then the other kids he will be by rule a better lacrosse player. And doing simple math he will always have 18 months longer of "hitting the wall" to help his game.

Very legitimate argument and well stated point. The point I was trying to make was not so much to deny that advantage that some may get, but to point out that from 8th grade on, they are going to play with multiple age groups at a time anyway. If your kid is a Sophomore playing with Freshman who are really Sophomores, or a Senior playing with Juniors that are really Seniors, or an 18 year old playing against a 19 year old, is it really going to keep them from playing in college if they are great players? If you look at D1 rosters there are tons of public school kids who didn't reclass. I personally just don't see it as being a huge advantage. At least not to the point where people are ready to trade blows over the argument. I didn't reclass and had no issues getting recruited from East BF country public school back in the early 90s. We didn't have clubs, recruiting showcases, kids national teams and all the opportunities kids from 8th grade up now have to strut their skills and there were a lot less positions to fill. We went to Hopkins camp and played Hero's in the summer. It was fun.

While that is very similar how most people who grew up around lacrosse years ago saw the sport, times are changing in a dramatic way. Holdbacks and certain Clubs are dominating now. And most clubs that are dominating are due to older players. Here is from the reclass forum. This is this year and will be the future at most of better lacrosse programs. I also know two other freshman D1 players who shared similar stories about incoming class of players.

"""""Just for your information... my son is back from school and we are enjoying our thanksgiving vacation together. He plays on a top 20 DI college team and he tells me that out of a class of 17 Freshman, he is the only freshman who is 18 years old (on age for his grade). He is generally a year younger than every other Freshman on the team.

Some were held back when they were very young. Some were held back in 8th grade and some took a PG year or decided to wait a year between high school and college because of the availability of scholarship money.

To his knowledge no one is getting a full ride. Most are getting 25% scholarships or just $10k or $15k and many will not be receiving them next year. Receipt will depend upon their performance.

Know that each family has to 'donate' money to the team and so far this year we have been asked to donate to several charities the team sponsors.

While neither I nor my son I wouldn't change anything, there is no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow here other than the friends he will make and the experiences he will come away with.""""

Reclass your child if you want to play at better programs in future.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Every team in the Elite division has holdbacks. If you are going to callout teams you might want to call them all out . Right or wrong the playing field is fair . Every team has them. Every team choose to play in the Elite division and every parent agrees to let their kid play on these teams. Right or wrong its the nature of the beast.

Amazing world where a select group of children are allowed to dominate a sport.

Just like Youth sports was meant to be played, dont you think?

My 8th grade son has played football since he was in kindergarten, wrestles and plays lacrosse for rec and club. I don't remember a year in ANY sport where he didn't play against kids that were potentially a year older than him? In football they are called "OBLs". In wrestling as a 6th grader he faced kids with chest hair that were just super light. In rec lacrosse they typically had 2 years combined at several levels. I just don't see the big deal about a 1 year older hold-back, considering that next year as a freshman in High School, he might be on the same team with Sophomores, Juniors and Seniors? However, if your kid is one of the top players in his position as a 7th grader and now he gets bumped down a few notches because new, older players enter his age group, it does kind of put a damper on your parental bragging rights. I will just tell my 8th grader to go figure out how to kick the 9th graders [ChillLaxin], but that's just me.

You are full of it and miss the point about letting select kids get an advantage others dont get with exact same birthday.

Football is by age. Is there some giant kids yes.. But it goes by age even in the unlimited weights divisions.

Wrestling has age restrictions along with only wrestling someone in a narrow weight range as other wrestler.

Two year age was the way with former lacrosse leagues. Every other year you got to be on older age group. Not every year You get to be the oldest because you were held back.

Youth sports already has many things that give advantage here and there, But to let a select group always get an advantage just because they failed/heldback/reclassed/prefirst a grade goes against Youth sports and its intent. Why not let anyone play down that wants too by one year , that would be better and the same thing that holdbacks get now..lets let everyone do it.... but we know that wouldn't give select kids an advantage??

maybe you dont mind youth sports and lacrosse in general giving special advantages to certain players that others dont get. But the majority think that youth sports isnt for select groups, If you let some get the advantage..all should get it
[/quot

There is a whole forum dedicated for this subject. It was created for these types of discussions. Everyone knows it sucks and until the rules are changed its what everyone has to sign up or not sign up for at this level for this age group in particular. If you sign your kid up to play with holdbacks -which every team has them at the elite level and then come on here to complain ,please take it to the forum set up for you to complain.

Until it's fixed I'll talk about it where I want to.

Of course you will! Nice come back. Some of us who have on age kids and don't give a [ChillLaxin] about holdbacks have to listen to your crying on this forum and every other one . No sympathy here for someone who signs up knowing the rules and exact situation then whines about it. Its just like every news channel 24/7 filled with people who want life to be perfect and whine till they get their way. Exactly what we don't teach here.
Please let everyone know what you are doing abut getting the rules changes except crying on an anonymous forum to people that think your just that 'a cry baby'

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Every team in the Elite division has holdbacks. If you are going to callout teams you might want to call them all out . Right or wrong the playing field is fair . Every team has them. Every team choose to play in the Elite division and every parent agrees to let their kid play on these teams. Right or wrong its the nature of the beast.

Amazing world where a select group of children are allowed to dominate a sport.

Just like Youth sports was meant to be played, dont you think?

My 8th grade son has played football since he was in kindergarten, wrestles and plays lacrosse for rec and club. I don't remember a year in ANY sport where he didn't play against kids that were potentially a year older than him? In football they are called "OBLs". In wrestling as a 6th grader he faced kids with chest hair that were just super light. In rec lacrosse they typically had 2 years combined at several levels. I just don't see the big deal about a 1 year older hold-back, considering that next year as a freshman in High School, he might be on the same team with Sophomores, Juniors and Seniors? However, if your kid is one of the top players in his position as a 7th grader and now he gets bumped down a few notches because new, older players enter his age group, it does kind of put a damper on your parental bragging rights. I will just tell my 8th grader to go figure out how to kick the 9th graders [ChillLaxin], but that's just me.

You are full of it and miss the point about letting select kids get an advantage others dont get with exact same birthday.

Football is by age. Is there some giant kids yes.. But it goes by age even in the unlimited weights divisions.

Wrestling has age restrictions along with only wrestling someone in a narrow weight range as other wrestler.

Two year age was the way with former lacrosse leagues. Every other year you got to be on older age group. Not every year You get to be the oldest because you were held back.

Youth sports already has many things that give advantage here and there, But to let a select group always get an advantage just because they failed/heldback/reclassed/prefirst a grade goes against Youth sports and its intent. Why not let anyone play down that wants too by one year , that would be better and the same thing that holdbacks get now..lets let everyone do it.... but we know that wouldn't give select kids an advantage??

maybe you dont mind youth sports and lacrosse in general giving special advantages to certain players that others dont get. But the majority think that youth sports isnt for select groups, If you let some get the advantage..all should get it
[/quot

There is a whole forum dedicated for this subject. It was created for these types of discussions. Everyone knows it sucks and until the rules are changed its what everyone has to sign up or not sign up for at this level for this age group in particular. If you sign your kid up to play with holdbacks -which every team has them at the elite level and then come on here to complain ,please take it to the forum set up for you to complain.

Until it's fixed I'll talk about it where I want to.

Of course you will! Nice come back. Some of us who have on age kids and don't give a [ChillLaxin] about holdbacks have to listen to your crying on this forum and every other one . No sympathy here for someone who signs up knowing the rules and exact situation then whines about it. Its just like every news channel 24/7 filled with people who want life to be perfect and whine till they get their way. Exactly what we don't teach here.
Please let everyone know what you are doing abut getting the rules changes except crying on an anonymous forum to people that think your just that 'a cry baby'

This guy complaining about holdbacks on every forum definitely has a vag between his legs. My kid is on age and I could give a F about this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course you will! Nice come back. Some of us who have on age kids and don't give a [ChillLaxin] about holdbacks have to listen to your crying on this forum and every other one . No sympathy here for someone who signs up knowing the rules and exact situation then whines about it. Its just like every news channel 24/7 filled with people who want life to be perfect and whine till they get their way. Exactly what we don't teach here.
Please let everyone know what you are doing abut getting the rules changes except crying on an anonymous forum to people that think your just that 'a cry baby'

This guy complaining about holdbacks on every forum definitely has a vag between his legs. My kid is on age and I could give a F about this.

Of course your children are on age! LOL Now tell us how tough they are and how they beat all the small holdbacks! LOL..Hilarious.. Ryan send you here?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course you will! Nice come back. Some of us who have on age kids and don't give a [ChillLaxin] about holdbacks have to listen to your crying on this forum and every other one . No sympathy here for someone who signs up knowing the rules and exact situation then whines about it. Its just like every news channel 24/7 filled with people who want life to be perfect and whine till they get their way. Exactly what we don't teach here.
Please let everyone know what you are doing abut getting the rules changes except crying on an anonymous forum to people that think your just that 'a cry baby'

This guy complaining about holdbacks on every forum definitely has a vag between his legs. My kid is on age and I could give a F about this.

Of course your children are on age! LOL Now tell us how tough they are and how they beat all the small holdbacks! LOL..Hilarious.. Ryan send you here?

Clearly tougher than you and your kid! Did your wife send you here?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course you will! Nice come back. Some of us who have on age kids and don't give a [ChillLaxin] about holdbacks have to listen to your crying on this forum and every other one . No sympathy here for someone who signs up knowing the rules and exact situation then whines about it. Its just like every news channel 24/7 filled with people who want life to be perfect and whine till they get their way. Exactly what we don't teach here.
Please let everyone know what you are doing abut getting the rules changes except crying on an anonymous forum to people that think your just that 'a cry baby'

This guy complaining about holdbacks on every forum definitely has a vag between his legs. My kid is on age and I could give a F about this.

Of course your children are on age! LOL Now tell us how tough they are and how they beat all the small holdbacks! LOL..Hilarious.. Ryan send you here?

Clearly tougher than you and your kid! Did your wife send you here?

It will be easy to spot the holdback whiner in the winter --- pink [ChillLaxin] hat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course you will! Nice come back. Some of us who have on age kids and don't give a [ChillLaxin] about holdbacks have to listen to your crying on this forum and every other one . No sympathy here for someone who signs up knowing the rules and exact situation then whines about it. Its just like every news channel 24/7 filled with people who want life to be perfect and whine till they get their way. Exactly what we don't teach here.
Please let everyone know what you are doing abut getting the rules changes except crying on an anonymous forum to people that think your just that 'a cry baby'

This guy complaining about holdbacks on every forum definitely has a vag between his legs. My kid is on age and I could give a F about this.

Of course your children are on age! LOL Now tell us how tough they are and how they beat all the small holdbacks! LOL..Hilarious.. Ryan send you here?

Clearly tougher than you and your kid! Did your wife send you here?

It will be easy to spot the holdback whiner in the winter --- pink [ChillLaxin] hat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course you will! Nice come back. Some of us who have on age kids and don't give a [ChillLaxin] about holdbacks have to listen to your crying on this forum and every other one . No sympathy here for someone who signs up knowing the rules and exact situation then whines about it. Its just like every news channel 24/7 filled with people who want life to be perfect and whine till they get their way. Exactly what we don't teach here.
Please let everyone know what you are doing abut getting the rules changes except crying on an anonymous forum to people that think your just that 'a cry baby'

This guy complaining about holdbacks on every forum definitely has a vag between his legs. My kid is on age and I could give a F about this.

Of course your children are on age! LOL Now tell us how tough they are and how they beat all the small holdbacks! LOL..Hilarious.. Ryan send you here?

Clearly tougher than you and your kid! Did your wife send you here?

It will be easy to spot the holdback whiner in the winter --- pink [ChillLaxin] hat.

It will be easy to spot the holdback parent who is afraid to have his child compete against on age players. He will be the one who failed reading comprehension and answers another holdback with a holdback excuse! Hilarious

Any word on how the Crabs 2022 team did vs DC and LI Express in Chapel Hill this past weekend? I'm guessing they're improving and will be formidable force this Spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any word on how the Crabs 2022 team did vs DC and LI Express in Chapel Hill this past weekend? I'm guessing they're improving and will be formidable force this Spring.

Don’t take the bait.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Every team in the Elite division has holdbacks. If you are going to callout teams you might want to call them all out . Right or wrong the playing field is fair . Every team has them. Every team choose to play in the Elite division and every parent agrees to let their kid play on these teams. Right or wrong its the nature of the beast.

Amazing world where a select group of children are allowed to dominate a sport.

Just like Youth sports was meant to be played, dont you think?

My 8th grade son has played football since he was in kindergarten, wrestles and plays lacrosse for rec and club. I don't remember a year in ANY sport where he didn't play against kids that were potentially a year older than him? In football they are called "OBLs". In wrestling as a 6th grader he faced kids with chest hair that were just super light. In rec lacrosse they typically had 2 years combined at several levels. I just don't see the big deal about a 1 year older hold-back, considering that next year as a freshman in High School, he might be on the same team with Sophomores, Juniors and Seniors? However, if your kid is one of the top players in his position as a 7th grader and now he gets bumped down a few notches because new, older players enter his age group, it does kind of put a damper on your parental bragging rights. I will just tell my 8th grader to go figure out how to kick the 9th graders [ChillLaxin], but that's just me.

You are full of it and miss the point about letting select kids get an advantage others dont get with exact same birthday.

Football is by age. Is there some giant kids yes.. But it goes by age even in the unlimited weights divisions.

Wrestling has age restrictions along with only wrestling someone in a narrow weight range as other wrestler.

Two year age was the way with former lacrosse leagues. Every other year you got to be on older age group. Not every year You get to be the oldest because you were held back.

Youth sports already has many things that give advantage here and there, But to let a select group always get an advantage just because they failed/heldback/reclassed/prefirst a grade goes against Youth sports and its intent. Why not let anyone play down that wants too by one year , that would be better and the same thing that holdbacks get now..lets let everyone do it.... but we know that wouldn't give select kids an advantage??

maybe you dont mind youth sports and lacrosse in general giving special advantages to certain players that others dont get. But the majority think that youth sports isnt for select groups, If you let some get the advantage..all should get it
[/quot

There is a whole forum dedicated for this subject. It was created for these types of discussions. Everyone knows it sucks and until the rules are changed its what everyone has to sign up or not sign up for at this level for this age group in particular. If you sign your kid up to play with holdbacks -which every team has them at the elite level and then come on here to complain ,please take it to the forum set up for you to complain.

Until it's fixed I'll talk about it where I want to.

Of course you will! Nice come back. Some of us who have on age kids and don't give a [ChillLaxin] about holdbacks have to listen to your crying on this forum and every other one . No sympathy here for someone who signs up knowing the rules and exact situation then whines about it. Its just like every news channel 24/7 filled with people who want life to be perfect and whine till they get their way. Exactly what we don't teach here.
Please let everyone know what you are doing abut getting the rules changes except crying on an anonymous forum to people that think your just that 'a cry baby'

Stop crying about people who disagree with you...

I am a holdback whiner. Every three days, let me cut and paste my same snowflake complaint on every single age group forum. Makes me feel like a real social justice warrior, on a keyboard of course because I am too big of a pansy to do anything else about it. Then, wait for opposing opinions and rehash same argument over and over with an ad hominem attack or two. I am not pathetic at all, or at least that is what my mom used to tell me. And oh yeah I never played lax or any other sport a competitive level. I am a holdback whiner, hear me roar.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any word on how the Crabs 2022 team did vs DC and LI Express in Chapel Hill this past weekend? I'm guessing they're improving and will be formidable force this Spring.

Don’t take the bait.....

Why did things not go well?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am a holdback whiner. Every three days, let me cut and paste my same snowflake complaint on every single age group forum. Makes me feel like a real social justice warrior, on a keyboard of course because I am too big of a pansy to do anything else about it. Then, wait for opposing opinions and rehash same argument over and over with an ad hominem attack or two. I am not pathetic at all, or at least that is what my mom used to tell me. And oh yeah I never played lax or any other sport a competitive level. I am a holdback whiner, hear me roar.

I am a holdback apologist. Every three days, let me cut and paste my same snowflake apologist on every single age group forum. Makes me feel like a real tough guy warrior, on a keyboard of course because I am too big of a pansy to do let my kid play on age. Then, wait for opposing opinions and rehash same argument over and over with an ad hominem attack or two. I am not pathetic at all, or at least that is what my mom used to tell me. And oh yeah I never played lax or any other sport a competitive level. I am a holdback apologist , hear me roar as my 16 year old destroys 14 year olds!! or even better my 12 year old destroy 10 year old children

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am a holdback whiner. Every three days, let me cut and paste my same snowflake complaint on every single age group forum. Makes me feel like a real social justice warrior, on a keyboard of course because I am too big of a pansy to do anything else about it. Then, wait for opposing opinions and rehash same argument over and over with an ad hominem attack or two. I am not pathetic at all, or at least that is what my mom used to tell me. And oh yeah I never played lax or any other sport a competitive level. I am a holdback whiner, hear me roar.

I am a holdback apologist. Every three days, let me cut and paste my same snowflake apologist on every single age group forum. Makes me feel like a real tough guy warrior, on a keyboard of course because I am too big of a pansy to do let my kid play on age. Then, wait for opposing opinions and rehash same argument over and over with an ad hominem attack or two. I am not pathetic at all, or at least that is what my mom used to tell me. And oh yeah I never played lax or any other sport a competitive level. I am a holdback apologist , hear me roar as my 16 year old destroys 14 year olds!! or even better my 12 year old destroy 10 year old children

Pretty lame response.

Warrior, Under Armour, Nike , Brine, STX 3D, NLF-
Invites, camps, showcases
what is the best this year for 2022?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Warrior, Under Armour, Nike , Brine, STX 3D, NLF-
Invites, camps, showcases
what is the best this year for 2022?

They are all $$$$ grabs. No college coaches care about 2022s with the new rules. None.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Warrior, Under Armour, Nike , Brine, STX 3D, NLF-
Invites, camps, showcases
what is the best this year for 2022?

They are all $$$$ grabs. No college coaches care about 2022s with the new rules. None.

Agreed. Save your money for the summer of 2019....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Warrior, Under Armour, Nike , Brine, STX 3D, NLF-
Invites, camps, showcases
what is the best this year for 2022?

They are all $$$$ grabs. No college coaches care about 2022s with the new rules. None.

Agreed. Save your money for the summer of 2019....

I agree, you parents of this age group have the advantage of this new rule. The only way these events listed above are good for your son is if you are 100% sure he will be the best player at this event and he really impresses the coaches so much they keep his name in a data base for 2 years. I would take that money and pay a private trainer to work on his weaknesses and have him ready to kick A$$ that sept 1st of 2019.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Warrior, Under Armour, Nike , Brine, STX 3D, NLF-
Invites, camps, showcases
what is the best this year for 2022?

They are all $$$$ grabs. No college coaches care about 2022s with the new rules. None.

Agreed. Save your money for the summer of 2019....

I agree, you parents of this age group have the advantage of this new rule. The only way these events listed above are good for your son is if you are 100% sure he will be the best player at this event and he really impresses the coaches so much they keep his name in a data base for 2 years. I would take that money and pay a private trainer to work on his weaknesses and have him ready to kick A$$ that sept 1st of 2019.

I agree with most of this as showcase performance for college is still a few years away with the new rules. I hope the organizers of these events realize the need to change the format to allow for teaching and mentoring VS the privilege and honor of paying $700 for $100 worth of gear and a few social media posts. I do think camps have a place as well but IMHO choose a good location and one that friends are attending. I am not a fan of private instruction. This is a game meant to be played with friends and challenge yourself v. peers. Small group clinics work best even for FO and Goalie and some of the best in the world offer these.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Warrior, Under Armour, Nike , Brine, STX 3D, NLF-
Invites, camps, showcases
what is the best this year for 2022?

They are all $$$$ grabs. No college coaches care about 2022s with the new rules. None.

Agreed. Save your money for the summer of 2019....

I agree, you parents of this age group have the advantage of this new rule. The only way these events listed above are good for your son is if you are 100% sure he will be the best player at this event and he really impresses the coaches so much they keep his name in a data base for 2 years. I would take that money and pay a private trainer to work on his weaknesses and have him ready to kick A$$ that sept 1st of 2019.

I agree with most of this as showcase performance for college is still a few years away with the new rules. I hope the organizers of these events realize the need to change the format to allow for teaching and mentoring VS the privilege and honor of paying $700 for $100 worth of gear and a few social media posts. I do think camps have a place as well but IMHO choose a good location and one that friends are attending. I am not a fan of private instruction. This is a game meant to be played with friends and challenge yourself v. peers. Small group clinics work best even for FO and Goalie and some of the best in the world offer these.

I would like to argue your point of one on one with a trainer for a Middie, attack and Long pole is not a good thing. I think all these boys get tons and tons of 10 V 10 or 7 V 7 reps in a 12 month window. Not very many coaches are going to stop an attackman and talk to him about hand placement during a larger group then 2 or 3. In a one on one setting the coach can talk to your son about if he should be a power dodger or stick to the question mark dodge. If you look at lacrosse like Basketball you can think of two guards one is shooting 45% from 3 and the other has no left hand. Now think about how a hour lesson in a large group compared to one on one with each player wold be set up. My point is the lessons would be geared to each kid in a one on one setting. This is a skill game the more skills you have in your [ChillLaxin] box the lesser a athlete you can be. If you are 6 foot 4 and run a 4.0 flat you will really never need a left hand or 3 to 4 counter moves. But if you are not this big and fast you will need to have all skills mastered.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Warrior, Under Armour, Nike , Brine, STX 3D, NLF-
Invites, camps, showcases
what is the best this year for 2022?

Best advice is to go to camps at colleges where your kid is interested in attending.

This is the reccomndation of all coaches now. Very little recruiting is done at "events" and tournaments these days - they are all money grabs.

Coaches want to get to know the kids. Kids should get to know coaches and campus.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]I am a holdback whiner. Every three days, let me cut and paste my same snowflake complaint on every single age group forum. Makes me feel like a real social justice warrior, on a keyboard of course because I am too big of a pansy to do anything else about it. Then, wait for opposing opinions and rehash same argument over and over with an ad hominem attack or two. I am not pathetic at all, or at least that is what my mom used to tell me. And oh yeah I never played lax or any other sport a competitive level. I am a holdback whiner, hear me roar.

I am a holdback apologist. Every three days, let me cut and paste my same snowflake apologist on every single age group forum. Makes me feel like a real tough guy warrior, on a keyboard of course because I am too big of a pansy to do let my kid play on age. Then, wait for opposing opinions and rehash same argument over and over with an ad hominem attack or two. I am not pathetic at all, or at least that is what my mom used to tell me. And oh yeah I never played lax or any other sport a competitive level. I am a holdback apologist , hear me roar as my 16 year old destroys 14 year olds!! or even better my 12 year old destroy 10 year old children

Pretty lame response.[/quote

I can almost hear the "mom, he copied me" cry from you, poor baby, we'll tell him or her to stop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Warrior, Under Armour, Nike , Brine, STX 3D, NLF-
Invites, camps, showcases
what is the best this year for 2022?

Best advice is to go to camps at colleges where your kid is interested in attending.

This is the reccomndation of all coaches now. Very little recruiting is done at "events" and tournaments these days - they are all money grabs.

Coaches want to get to know the kids. Kids should get to know coaches and campus.

Take that recommendation with a grain of salt. The on campus camps and prospect days put money in the coach's pocket. They will still be at these showcase events, but they aren't focusing on 22s at this point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Warrior, Under Armour, Nike , Brine, STX 3D, NLF-
Invites, camps, showcases
what is the best this year for 2022?

Best advice is to go to camps at colleges where your kid is interested in attending.

This is the reccomndation of all coaches now. Very little recruiting is done at "events" and tournaments these days - they are all money grabs.

Coaches want to get to know the kids. Kids should get to know coaches and campus.

Take that recommendation with a grain of salt. The on campus camps and prospect days put money in the coach's pocket. They will still be at these showcase events, but they aren't focusing on 22s at this point.

There is D1 DII DIII MCLA coaches looking for players. All have different routes to getting recruits. Going to campus cant hurt if you are interested in school. Certain Showcases are good depending on your ability and what Division you are shooting for. Why go to a top Showcase with mainly D1 coaches when your ability is less. Go to the showcase that is more for D2,D3 players. Most better Clubs are good depending on tournament they attend. So there is no specific way to get recruited. Unless you are a flat out athletic superstar, You got to find your own way thru this mess called recruiting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

is this the 2022 forum or the 2023 forum?

Give it time, the 2022 forum will hold itself back and become the 2023 forum.

I thought this was the 2020 forum

Evergreen RR is that are you trolling the boards again?

Why play for bottom feeding Cavs when Evergreen is down the road. If anything for better bathrooms. Cavs are you still pissing in the woods?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavalier 2022, 2024 and 2026 each won the championship at Colonial Challenge. Not aware of any other club that has successfully won 3 championships at the same tournament. Our boys work very hard and deserve every accolade they get. What an incredible accomplishment. Just saying.

Right. Because that is definitely as impressive as Hawks winning every age at Young Guns last summer. Same talent level at those two tournaments.

Cavs youth teams have never played in an elite tournament. When Cavs scrimmages top programs, they get smoked. For example, Cavs 2023 is by far the best Cavs youth team. This fall, Cav 2023 scrimmaged Next Level and BLC and Cavs got run off the field by over 10 goals both times. I have no problem with Cavs. The 2023 coach is probably one of the best youth coaches in the area. But accept Cavs for what it is, champions of second and third tier tournaments who refuse to step up to the big boy tournaments. Nothing wrong with that. Winning bottom-feeder tournaments helps keep all the Loudoun parents writing checks, and Bruce and Marty to pay for the field in Leesburg.

Why play for bottom feeding Cavs when Evergreen is down the road. If anything for better bathrooms. Cavs are you still pissing in the woods?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavalier 2022, 2024 and 2026 each won the championship at Colonial Challenge. Not aware of any other club that has successfully won 3 championships at the same tournament. Our boys work very hard and deserve every accolade they get. What an incredible accomplishment. Just saying.

Nice try for a fake troll post. Looking to get some negative comments on Cav's. I can see the feeble attempt. If it were a real effort you would mention that the 2023 team also won the championship at the Colonial Challenge. You sir, are not match for the Evergreen troll

Evergreen troll here.
Benefits of Evergreen
1. We take your money and then make it impossible for you to contact us. 2. While bored and drunk at airports we will send blast emails to you and everyone in the league.
3. We promise to regift you sales and marketing items - here is your pen
4. Classroom training guaranteed to make you feel like you are sitting in a dorm room.
5. We care about feelings, player evals we will tell you and your player the same thing we told the last kid - go play wall ball and show us the money
6. We will enter tournaments that will push your holdback to run and cradle at the same time.
7. Honestly its all about the money.
8. If your son is good, he would probably be even better playing for the Cavs

BTW your uniforms were never ordered. We used your uniform money to pay for our vacation. Here is an $8 practice game jersey. Go Evergreen. $$$

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Warrior, Under Armour, Nike , Brine, STX 3D, NLF-
Invites, camps, showcases
what is the best this year for 2022?

They are all $$$$ grabs. No college coaches care about 2022s with the new rules

Not true. My 2022 son comitted as a 7th grader before the rule change. If your son was any good or a 3rd year holdback he would have comitted as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Every team in the Elite division has holdbacks. If you are going to callout teams you might want to call them all out . Right or wrong the playing field is fair . Every team has them. Every team choose to play in the Elite division and every parent agrees to let their kid play on these teams. Right or wrong its the nature of the beast.

Amazing world where a select group of children are allowed to dominate a sport.

Just like Youth sports was meant to be played, dont you think?

My 8th grade son has played football since he was in kindergarten, wrestles and plays lacrosse for rec and club. I don't remember a year in ANY sport where he didn't play against kids that were potentially a year older than him? In football they are called "OBLs". In wrestling as a 6th grader he faced kids with chest hair that were just super light. In rec lacrosse they typically had 2 years combined at several levels. I just don't see the big deal about a 1 year older hold-back, considering that next year as a freshman in High School, he might be on the same team with Sophomores, Juniors and Seniors? However, if your kid is one of the top players in his position as a 7th grader and now he gets bumped down a few notches because new, older players enter his age group, it does kind of put a damper on your parental bragging rights. I will just tell my 8th grader to go figure out how to kick the 9th graders [ChillLaxin], but that's just me.

No one has ever said that a kid can not overcome the holdbacks he is playing with. But just using the life is not fair work harder speech does not make the kids who reclass or play down or PG not cheaters. I tell my son life is not fair work harder and do your best to out preform the kids who have parents cheating for them. There have been several articles written about how kids with birthdays that allow them to be the oldest on the team end up playing in the Pros more often. Lacrosse does not have a real Pro option but the facts still apply to lacrosse. And a sport like lacrosse that has a large skill level aspect the year longer of playing the game allows these kids to out preform the younger kids at a large rate. Because what I read on here over and over again is if you are not good enough "Hit the Wall" well if a kid has been hitting the wall for 18 months longer then the other kids he will be by rule a better lacrosse player. And doing simple math he will always have 18 months longer of "hitting the wall" to help his game.

Very legitimate argument and well stated point. The point I was trying to make was not so much to deny that advantage that some may get, but to point out that from 8th grade on, they are going to play with multiple age groups at a time anyway. If your kid is a Sophomore playing with Freshman who are really Sophomores, or a Senior playing with Juniors that are really Seniors, or an 18 year old playing against a 19 year old, is it really going to keep them from playing in college if they are great players? If you look at D1 rosters there are tons of public school kids who didn't reclass. I personally just don't see it as being a huge advantage. At least not to the point where people are ready to trade blows over the argument. I didn't reclass and had no issues getting recruited from East BF country public school back in the early 90s. We didn't have clubs, recruiting showcases, kids national teams and all the opportunities kids from 8th grade up now have to strut their skills and there were a lot less positions to fill. We went to Hopkins camp and played Hero's in the summer. It was fun.

If everyone reclasses whats the point?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Every team in the Elite division has holdbacks. If you are going to callout teams you might want to call them all out . Right or wrong the playing field is fair . Every team has them. Every team choose to play in the Elite division and every parent agrees to let their kid play on these teams. Right or wrong its the nature of the beast.

Amazing world where a select group of children are allowed to dominate a sport.

Just like Youth sports was meant to be played, dont you think?

My 8th grade son has played football since he was in kindergarten, wrestles and plays lacrosse for rec and club. I don't remember a year in ANY sport where he didn't play against kids that were potentially a year older than him? In football they are called "OBLs". In wrestling as a 6th grader he faced kids with chest hair that were just super light. In rec lacrosse they typically had 2 years combined at several levels. I just don't see the big deal about a 1 year older hold-back, considering that next year as a freshman in High School, he might be on the same team with Sophomores, Juniors and Seniors? However, if your kid is one of the top players in his position as a 7th grader and now he gets bumped down a few notches because new, older players enter his age group, it does kind of put a damper on your parental bragging rights. I will just tell my 8th grader to go figure out how to kick the 9th graders [ChillLaxin], but that's just me.

No one has ever said that a kid can not overcome the holdbacks he is playing with. But just using the life is not fair work harder speech does not make the kids who reclass or play down or PG not cheaters. I tell my son life is not fair work harder and do your best to out preform the kids who have parents cheating for them. There have been several articles written about how kids with birthdays that allow them to be the oldest on the team end up playing in the Pros more often. Lacrosse does not have a real Pro option but the facts still apply to lacrosse. And a sport like lacrosse that has a large skill level aspect the year longer of playing the game allows these kids to out preform the younger kids at a large rate. Because what I read on here over and over again is if you are not good enough "Hit the Wall" well if a kid has been hitting the wall for 18 months longer then the other kids he will be by rule a better lacrosse player. And doing simple math he will always have 18 months longer of "hitting the wall" to help his game.

Very legitimate argument and well stated point. The point I was trying to make was not so much to deny that advantage that some may get, but to point out that from 8th grade on, they are going to play with multiple age groups at a time anyway. If your kid is a Sophomore playing with Freshman who are really Sophomores, or a Senior playing with Juniors that are really Seniors, or an 18 year old playing against a 19 year old, is it really going to keep them from playing in college if they are great players? If you look at D1 rosters there are tons of public school kids who didn't reclass. I personally just don't see it as being a huge advantage. At least not to the point where people are ready to trade blows over the argument. I didn't reclass and had no issues getting recruited from East BF country public school back in the early 90s. We didn't have clubs, recruiting showcases, kids national teams and all the opportunities kids from 8th grade up now have to strut their skills and there were a lot less positions to fill. We went to Hopkins camp and played Hero's in the summer. It was fun.

If everyone reclasses whats the point?

That is the point and will be as time goes on except for a few manchild players. Sad state for a non money sport .

If everyone reclasses whats the point?[/quote]

This here's a Crabs parent. You've played for the rest, now play for the best. Respect all, but fear none. Crabs nation likes cliches.

That was true back in the U13 & U15 days of old!

We all hope the Crabs 2022 will be more competitive than the past few years. At the very least beat up 91 and FCA once or twice.

Who will be the top team in Baltimore this year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who will be the top team in Baltimore this year?

Just a guess;
Koopers
Crabs
FCA
91Md

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who will be the top team in Baltimore this year?

Just a guess;
Koopers
Crabs
FCA
91Md

Nope

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who will be the top team in Baltimore this year?

Just a guess;
Koopers
Crabs
FCA
91Md

Nope

Yep! Out of these the team with most holdbacks is the winner in Balt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who will be the top team in Baltimore this year?

Just a guess;
Koopers
Crabs
FCA
91Md

Nope

Yep! Out of these the team with most holdbacks is the winner in Balt.

Not if the TX and CA guest players have anything to say about that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who will be the top team in Baltimore this year?

Just a guess;
Koopers
Crabs
FCA
91Md

Nope

Yep! Out of these the team with most holdbacks is the winner in Balt.

Not if the TX and CA guest players have anything to say about that.

It has been 9-1MD/Breakers for the past 4 years. I'm not expecting any changes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who will be the top team in Baltimore this year?

Just a guess;
Koopers
Crabs
FCA
91Md

Nope

Yep! Out of these the team with most holdbacks is the winner in Balt.

Not if the TX and CA guest players have anything to say about that.

It has been 9-1MD/Breakers for the past 4 years. I'm not expecting any changes.

Crabs has kids from TX and CA also. Why is Koopers on this list? Those kids are only playing 2022 for HoCo for the Dukes team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who will be the top team in Baltimore this year?

Just a guess;
Koopers
Crabs
FCA
91Md

Nope

Yep! Out of these the team with most holdbacks is the winner in Balt.

Not if the TX and CA guest players have anything to say about that.

Darn! Didnt think of that. Guest Players,Prefirsts,reclass,Holdbacks and the King of Jungle..Double Holdback..... Hard to keep up

91 Md even though they were horrible in HOCO league last year. The summer was a bit better
Curious to see new Koopers team in action.( not the Dukes team).
Crabs and FCA are much better from a year ago.

Hawks and DCE looked very good this fall and will be hard to beat.
Will be fun to watch this spring. League is stacked from top to bottom.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 Md even though they were horrible in HOCO league last year. The summer was a bit better
Curious to see new Koopers team in action.( not the Dukes team).
Crabs and FCA are much better from a year ago.

Hawks and DCE looked very good this fall and will be hard to beat.
Will be fun to watch this spring. League is stacked from top to bottom.

Why do you folks think there is a new koopers team? The 2022 kids that have been playing up are not joining the Koopers 2022 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 Md even though they were horrible in HOCO league last year. The summer was a bit better
Curious to see new Koopers team in action.( not the Dukes team).
Crabs and FCA are much better from a year ago.

Hawks and DCE looked very good this fall and will be hard to beat.
Will be fun to watch this spring. League is stacked from top to bottom.

Why do you folks think there is a new koopers team? The 2021 kids that will play down are not joining the Koopers 2022 team.

Fixed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 Md even though they were horrible in HOCO league last year. The summer was a bit better
Curious to see new Koopers team in action.( not the Dukes team).
Crabs and FCA are much better from a year ago.

Hawks and DCE looked very good this fall and will be hard to beat.
Will be fun to watch this spring. League is stacked from top to bottom.

Why do you folks think there is a new koopers team? The 2022 kids that have been playing up are not joining the Koopers 2022 team.

Are they starting a new Koopers team then?( with all theDuke kids) Why don't you inform us folks.

Is the Dukes team joining the HOCO League?

No such thing as 91/breakers.Its been 3 years, get over it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is the Dukes team joining the HOCO League?

Yes. Kids will play on their regular teams as well as Dukes. It's the Wild, Wild West. Good job HoCo.

Wrong

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is the Dukes team joining the HOCO League?

Yes. Kids will play on their regular teams as well as Dukes. It's the Wild, Wild West. Good job HoCo.

Wrong. Can't play for more than one team in HoCo. The Dukes team will be the Koopers kids that have been playing on the 2021 team but are in 8th grade. Also there will be kids from Philly and Jersey coming down and a couple kids left their Baltimore based team to just play for Dukes. The normal Koopers 2022 team will still be playing in a lower division.

Who is playing in the Elite Division heard only a 6 team league this year.

Hawks
DC Express
Who else?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is the Dukes team joining the HOCO League?

Yes. Kids will play on their regular teams as well as Dukes. It's the Wild, Wild West. Good job HoCo.

Wrong. Can't play for more than one team in HoCo. The Dukes team will be the Koopers kids that have been playing on the 2021 team but are in 8th grade. Also there will be kids from Philly and Jersey coming down and a couple kids left their Baltimore based team to just play for Dukes. The normal Koopers 2022 team will still be playing in a lower division.

Rules are online. That isn't one of the rules.

My is lacrosse such a mess when it comes to leagues and or rules on kids and what age/bracket they should play in.
It is real simple they should be playing in birth years period.
I am fine with older aged kids play against younger kids by one year so you so you could even do it in 2 year but do something and stick with it. USA Hockey does it two different ways. Play AAA and ypu play birth year. Play tier 2 use 2 years groupings. There are far less kids playing that sport and they seem to get it right. US Lacrosse should be ashamed of how the run their sports.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is the Dukes team joining the HOCO League?

Yes. Kids will play on their regular teams as well as Dukes. It's the Wild, Wild West. Good job HoCo.

Wrong. Can't play for more than one team in HoCo. The Dukes team will be the Koopers kids that have been playing on the 2021 team but are in 8th grade. Also there will be kids from Philly and Jersey coming down and a couple kids left their Baltimore based team to just play for Dukes. The normal Koopers 2022 team will still be playing in a lower division.

Rules are online. That isn't one of the rules.

So a kid can play for 6 different teams in the same league? [ChillLaxin]

Actually... "Players may only play for one team in this conference. Any player on more then one roster will result in the forfeiture of all games scheduled for both teams and the removal of the player from the conference. Each coach should check with the player’s parents to ensure that the player is only on one roster."

http://www.eteamz.com/hcrpsports/files/HCClubLacrosseLeagueRules.doc

This here's a Balmore/Southern MD/AA County parent, Hun. We been playing HOCO for years with youngins on 2 different teams in the same HOCO division during the same season, I reckon.

Crab nation

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is playing in the Elite Division heard only a 6 team league this year.

Hawks
DC Express
Who else?

Hawks
DCE
91
Madlax
FCA
Crabs
Roughriders
Dbacks
Dukes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is playing in the Elite Division heard only a 6 team league this year.

Hawks
DC Express
Who else?

Hawks
DCE
91
Madlax
FCA
Crabs
Roughriders
Dbacks
Dukes

That looks about right-Dukes with be under Koopers umbrella-
Richmond Hawks, USS(KI Storm), may join this year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually... "Players may only play for one team in this conference. Any player on more then one roster will result in the forfeiture of all games scheduled for both teams and the removal of the player from the conference. Each coach should check with the player’s parents to ensure that the player is only on one roster."

http://www.eteamz.com/hcrpsports/files/HCClubLacrosseLeagueRules.doc

Thank you for clarifying for the selective hearing and reading folks on this site.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is playing in the Elite Division heard only a 6 team league this year.

Hawks
DC Express
Who else?

Hawks
DCE
91
Madlax
FCA
Crabs
Roughriders
Dbacks
Dukes

That looks about right-Dukes with be under Koopers umbrella-
Richmond Hawks, USS(KI Storm), may join this year

Richmond Hawks are good can play in the elite level. KIUSS not so much. API should probably drop down a level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My is lacrosse such a mess when it comes to leagues and or rules on kids and what age/bracket they should play in.
It is real simple they should be playing in birth years period.
I am fine with older aged kids play against younger kids by one year so you so you could even do it in 2 year but do something and stick with it. USA Hockey does it two different ways. Play AAA and ypu play birth year. Play tier 2 use 2 years groupings. There are far less kids playing that sport and they seem to get it right. US Lacrosse should be ashamed of how the run their sports.

Then it wouldnt be fair to all the MIAA prefirst players. Or the reclass players this year. Lets be fair. It is youth lacrosse.

If this is true why would dukes be on that list because most of those players come other local elite club teams or other areas like long island . So the dukes team will not be elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If this is true why would dukes be on that list because most of those players come other local elite club teams or other areas like long island . So the dukes team will not be elite.

There are only a few kids on Dukes from other MD 2022 clubs teams. Couple from FCA, one from Dbacks, one from 91. The rest of the Maryland kids either play for Koopers 2021 or they left their club teams to only play for Dukes this year. Half of the team is from Philly and all those kids can play in HoCo as there is no spring league up there. Same with the kids from Jersey. The LI kids rarely play for Dukes anymore anyway so I doubt they will be coming down in spring. There is no spring club league on LI either though so maybe they will for the level of competition that we have down in MD,

Not sure how many people on this forum had interacted with Dave Huntley but he was a great person and coach. Very said that he passed away lacrosse lost one of the good ones.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure how many people on this forum had interacted with Dave Huntley but he was a great person and coach. Very said that he passed away lacrosse lost one of the good ones.

Great guy, one of the best. Really buoyed the CHC program through his involvement. Took them to another level offensively.

Spring is so close-

I am curious to know from the dads on here who know way more about the process than I do, how many of the kids in the elite division would you expect to get D1 interest? The NCAA website says less than 3% of HS players will play D1, but I believe that number is higher for kids in the elite division, but not sure how high. Is a 10% guestimate too high? A lot can change in the next few years, but it just got me thinking about what a long shot it is. Even at 10%, that's only about 20-30 kids from this league and that seems high to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am curious to know from the dads on here who know way more about the process than I do, how many of the kids in the elite division would you expect to get D1 interest? The NCAA website says less than 3% of HS players will play D1, but I believe that number is higher for kids in the elite division, but not sure how high. Is a 10% guestimate too high? A lot can change in the next few years, but it just got me thinking about what a long shot it is. Even at 10%, that's only about 20-30 kids from this league and that seems high to me.

I think the 3% number is taking all the kids that play lacrosse in high school. I think you can almost triple this number in the hot bed areas like HOCO elite is in. Just take the top 15 high school teams in the area and see how many of these rosters have D1 kids playing on them. Landon has what 5 kids a year go D1 we can assume each one of these kids played for a HOCO elite club?

We can assume each of these kids from this one school played for one of the HOCO elite clubs when in 8th grade.
90 1 Pride, Ryan McLean VA Landon School MD Attack E Virginia
132 1 Buller, Nate Great Falls VA Landon School MD Attack R Penn State
150 1 O'Brien, Colin Bethesda MD Landon School MD Attack E Bucknell
199 1 Amoroso, Will Vienna VA Landon School MD Defense E Michigan
279 1 Fowler, Andrew Ashburn VA Landon School VA Defense R Cornell
294 P Corcoran, Shane Bethesda MD Heights School/Landon MD Goalie R Navy Prep
342 1 Halm, Thomas Olney VA Landon School VA Attack E Saint Joseph's
355 1 Shockey, Justin Potomac MD Landon School MD Midfield/FO E Maryland
1299 1 Abizaid, Michael Potomac MD Landon School MD Midfield/FO E Furman
1481 3 Feldman, Sean Great Falls VA Langley/Landon School MD Attack/Midfield R Catholic
2628 3 Grafmeyer, Kyle Washington DC Landon School/Berry MD Goalie TR Wooster
2669 U Valentine, Griffin Potomac MD Landon MD Defense R Texas
2929 P James, Cam Wilsonville OR Wilsonville/Landon School MD LSM R Navy Prep

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am curious to know from the dads on here who know way more about the process than I do, how many of the kids in the elite division would you expect to get D1 interest? The NCAA website says less than 3% of HS players will play D1, but I believe that number is higher for kids in the elite division, but not sure how high. Is a 10% guestimate too high? A lot can change in the next few years, but it just got me thinking about what a long shot it is. Even at 10%, that's only about 20-30 kids from this league and that seems high to me.

Approx. 30 already committed from 2020 class that played in HOCO league. Still two years to go.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am curious to know from the dads on here who know way more about the process than I do, how many of the kids in the elite division would you expect to get D1 interest? The NCAA website says less than 3% of HS players will play D1, but I believe that number is higher for kids in the elite division, but not sure how high. Is a 10% guestimate too high? A lot can change in the next few years, but it just got me thinking about what a long shot it is. Even at 10%, that's only about 20-30 kids from this league and that seems high to me.

Approx. 30 already committed from 2020 class that played in HOCO league. Still two years to go.

It is easier to look at the club's website as they list commits by class. Many have 10-12 per class. Also the top 10% of D3 is more competitive in Lacrosse than the bottom 10% of D1.

So if you have 4 to 6 teams per grad year in HOCO Elite and the websites have 10 to 12 kids going D1 or top D3 teams, And each roster is about 24 kids can we say 40% of the HOCO elite kids are going to play D1 lacrosse?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So if you have 4 to 6 teams per grad year in HOCO Elite and the websites have 10 to 12 kids going D1 or top D3 teams, And each roster is about 24 kids can we say 40% of the HOCO elite kids are going to play D1 lacrosse?

There are more likely 8 teams in HOCO elite or at least 8 HOCO teams that will average 10-12 college recruits. There are 71 D1 teams that take about 12 per grad year for a total of 852 D1 recruits. If 8x12 are from HOCO elite and AAA teams that is like 96 players and closer to 50% of each roster but still only accounts for 11.5% of the total number of D1 players each year. Keep in mind that each class will average about 25% scholarships per player.

D1,D2,D3 the number is high. Having the grades for D1,D2 is just as important. Some might say that the D2 and D3 final fours the past 10 years have been some of the best pure lacrosse in decades . D1 is the high standard but these kids playing elite will all surely have a home at some great( lacrosse )school.
Lets not forget about the AA,A players now that will grow into beast the next 3 years and surpass the elite player now. Happens at every high school every year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am curious to know from the dads on here who know way more about the process than I do, how many of the kids in the elite division would you expect to get D1 interest? The NCAA website says less than 3% of HS players will play D1, but I believe that number is higher for kids in the elite division, but not sure how high. Is a 10% guestimate too high? A lot can change in the next few years, but it just got me thinking about what a long shot it is. Even at 10%, that's only about 20-30 kids from this league and that seems high to me.

Approx. 30 already committed from 2020 class that played in HOCO league. Still two years to go.

It is easier to look at the club's website as they list commits by class. Many have 10-12 per class. Also the top 10% of D3 is more competitive in Lacrosse than the bottom 10% of D1.

The bottom 10% of D3 have lots of kids that are picking up a stick for the first time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is playing in the Elite Division heard only a 6 team league this year.

Hawks
DC Express
Who else?

Hawks
DCE
91
Madlax
FCA
Crabs
Roughriders
Dbacks
Dukes

That looks about right-Dukes with be under Koopers umbrella-
Richmond Hawks, USS(KI Storm), may join this year

Richmond Hawks are good can play in the elite level. KIUSS not so much. API should probably drop down a level.

KIUSS is basically the old Chesapeake Storm team and the last time they tried to move to Elite, it did not go well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am curious to know from the dads on here who know way more about the process than I do, how many of the kids in the elite division would you expect to get D1 interest? The NCAA website says less than 3% of HS players will play D1, but I believe that number is higher for kids in the elite division, but not sure how high. Is a 10% guestimate too high? A lot can change in the next few years, but it just got me thinking about what a long shot it is. Even at 10%, that's only about 20-30 kids from this league and that seems high to me.

Approx. 30 already committed from 2020 class that played in HOCO league. Still two years to go.

It is easier to look at the club's website as they list commits by class. Many have 10-12 per class. Also the top 10% of D3 is more competitive in Lacrosse than the bottom 10% of D1.

Maryland residents focus on sports much more than the rest of the country, so percentage wise, more Maryland kids play D1 than other states. For example, most states list that fewer than 1% of kids go on to play D1 basketball, but in MD, the percentage is over 5%.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am curious to know from the dads on here who know way more about the process than I do, how many of the kids in the elite division would you expect to get D1 interest? The NCAA website says less than 3% of HS players will play D1, but I believe that number is higher for kids in the elite division, but not sure how high. Is a 10% guestimate too high? A lot can change in the next few years, but it just got me thinking about what a long shot it is. Even at 10%, that's only about 20-30 kids from this league and that seems high to me.

Approx. 30 already committed from 2020 class that played in HOCO league. Still two years to go.

It is easier to look at the club's website as they list commits by class. Many have 10-12 per class. Also the top 10% of D3 is more competitive in Lacrosse than the bottom 10% of D1.

Maryland residents focus on sports much more than the rest of the country, so percentage wise, more Maryland kids play D1 than other states. For example, most states list that fewer than 1% of kids go on to play D1 basketball, but in MD, the percentage is over 5%.

Maryland is also one of the smallest states. The 5% is equal to the 1% of Virginia, West Virginia and all of the other small states. New York, Pennsylvania,California , Texas, Florida , Georgia, Tennessee , Michigan , Ohio just to name a few are way more than 1 or 5 %

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am curious to know from the dads on here who know way more about the process than I do, how many of the kids in the elite division would you expect to get D1 interest? The NCAA website says less than 3% of HS players will play D1, but I believe that number is higher for kids in the elite division, but not sure how high. Is a 10% guestimate too high? A lot can change in the next few years, but it just got me thinking about what a long shot it is. Even at 10%, that's only about 20-30 kids from this league and that seems high to me.

Approx. 30 already committed from 2020 class that played in HOCO league. Still two years to go.

It is easier to look at the club's website as they list commits by class. Many have 10-12 per class. Also the top 10% of D3 is more competitive in Lacrosse than the bottom 10% of D1.

Maryland residents focus on sports much more than the rest of the country, so percentage wise, more Maryland kids play D1 than other states. For example, most states list that fewer than 1% of kids go on to play D1 basketball, but in MD, the percentage is over 5%.

MD has a long history of strong BB players and Teams from Balt City and DC suburbs. That along with 30% Black population in State helps that D1 stat in MD.

2018 is finally here can't wait to get the season going. #18-6

When does the HOCO league start play?
Do they announce the teams before the schedule comes
ou?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When does the HOCO league start play?
Do they announce the teams before the schedule comes
ou?

Probably not until a week before

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2018 is finally here can't wait to get the season going. #18-6

API daddy back at it. Did you write both quotes ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2018 is finally here can't wait to get the season going. #18-6

API daddy back at it. Did you write both quotes ?

API and Hawks; Hatfields and McCoys. Need a "Go Fund Me" page to support "marriage counseling" for this VERY UNNECESSARY feud being fought out anonymously (aka cowardly) and publicly (sucks the life out of others cruelly while trying to otherwise enjoy to any extent the world of youth sports.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am curious to know from the dads on here who know way more about the process than I do, how many of the kids in the elite division would you expect to get D1 interest? The NCAA website says less than 3% of HS players will play D1, but I believe that number is higher for kids in the elite division, but not sure how high. Is a 10% guestimate too high? A lot can change in the next few years, but it just got me thinking about what a long shot it is. Even at 10%, that's only about 20-30 kids from this league and that seems high to me.

Approx. 30 already committed from 2020 class that played in HOCO league. Still two years to go.

It is easier to look at the club's website as they list commits by class. Many have 10-12 per class. Also the top 10% of D3 is more competitive in Lacrosse than the bottom 10% of D1.

Maryland residents focus on sports much more than the rest of the country, so percentage wise, more Maryland kids play D1 than other states. For example, most states list that fewer than 1% of kids go on to play D1 basketball, but in MD, the percentage is over 5%.

MD has a long history of strong BB players and Teams from Balt City and DC suburbs. That along with 30% Black population in State helps that D1 stat in MD.

The actor playing Joseph Goebbels in The Inglorious Bastards made a similar statement when referring to U.S. success at the Olympics. Looks like you're keeping good company these days.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am curious to know from the dads on here who know way more about the process than I do, how many of the kids in the elite division would you expect to get D1 interest? The NCAA website says less than 3% of HS players will play D1, but I believe that number is higher for kids in the elite division, but not sure how high. Is a 10% guestimate too high? A lot can change in the next few years, but it just got me thinking about what a long shot it is. Even at 10%, that's only about 20-30 kids from this league and that seems high to me.

Approx. 30 already committed from 2020 class that played in HOCO league. Still two years to go.

It is easier to look at the club's website as they list commits by class. Many have 10-12 per class. Also the top 10% of D3 is more competitive in Lacrosse than the bottom 10% of D1.

Maryland residents focus on sports much more than the rest of the country, so percentage wise, more Maryland kids play D1 than other states. For example, most states list that fewer than 1% of kids go on to play D1 basketball, but in MD, the percentage is over 5%.

MD has a long history of strong BB players and Teams from Balt City and DC suburbs. That along with 30% Black population in State helps that D1 stat in MD.

The actor playing Joseph Goebbels in The Inglorious Bastards made a similar statement when referring to U.S. success at the Olympics. Looks like you're keeping good company these days.

NCAA Div 1 athletics playing Basketball that are Black is close to 60% . That would mean states with a high population of Blacks would generally have a high percentage of BB players playing D1. And especially MD which has a strong history of excellent HS BB teams. How you compare this to what Goebbels said shows what a complete non critical thinker you are .

Or Einstein, does that mean a state like Idaho ( less than 1% Black) would have the same percentage of Div 1 BB players as Maryland?? Oops I mentioned Einstein!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2018 is finally here can't wait to get the season going. #18-6

API daddy back at it. Did you write both quotes ?

API and Hawks; Hatfields and McCoys. Need a "Go Fund Me" page to support "marriage counseling" for this VERY UNNECESSARY feud being fought out anonymously (aka cowardly) and publicly (sucks the life out of others cruelly while trying to otherwise enjoy to any extent the world of youth sports.

Hawks are more open this year in recruiting for next year already. They have quite a few guest players each week on their indoor teams. I hear they are looking to steal 1 or 2 for the spring/summer? Never ends

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2018 is finally here can't wait to get the season going. #18-6

API daddy back at it. Did you write both quotes ?

API and Hawks; Hatfields and McCoys. Need a "Go Fund Me" page to support "marriage counseling" for this VERY UNNECESSARY feud being fought out anonymously (aka cowardly) and publicly (sucks the life out of others cruelly while trying to otherwise enjoy to any extent the world of youth sports.

Hawks are more open this year in recruiting for next year already. They have quite a few guest players each week on their indoor teams. I hear they are looking to steal 1 or 2 for the spring/summer? Never ends

Steal?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2018 is finally here can't wait to get the season going. #18-6

API daddy back at it. Did you write both quotes ?

API and Hawks; Hatfields and McCoys. Need a "Go Fund Me" page to support "marriage counseling" for this VERY UNNECESSARY feud being fought out anonymously (aka cowardly) and publicly (sucks the life out of others cruelly while trying to otherwise enjoy to any extent the world of youth sports.

Hawks are more open this year in recruiting for next year already. They have quite a few guest players each week on their indoor teams. I hear they are looking to steal 1 or 2 for the spring/summer? Never ends

Every body hates when a club has guest players and when they "steal" players from other clubs to come play on their club. Until there son is stuck in a bad spot for tons of reasons and they want to change clubs. Also this 8th grade year is a big time in dealing with a club team. Getting stuck on the wrong team for your son in 8th grade can really put your son behind the 8 ball. Clubs are really hard to break into when the kids hit the high school age. The coaches have kids they have already coached for 2 or 3 years and have they have already starting working on the recruiting side with them. So you have to be twice as good as the others when you are looking to change clubs 9th grade and above.

Looking from a far I don't see how the Hawks can steal anyone. Or any team for that matter. Try outs were had and players choose to go to a team. Its also pretty clear that every club does a bit of recruiting but none more than others and it certainly isn't over the top.There is however a bitter parent who might not like his decision and skips from team to team. Most solid teams especially the Hawks stay away from cancers. We have dealt with the Hawks and have to say it was very open and honest about everything and fair.
If you are clinging to indoor games to a team you are not even associated with speaks volumes about your character and your points on this forum are mute and comical. What will you do next year in High School and you can't blame others for your kid not winning or making the team.The indoor league is High School - schools split there teams in half so everyone can get a run in. Are you telling us you watch the 2 Hawk teams play each week? You know the team so well you can tell if they have guest players? Sounds a bit crazy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking from a far I don't see how the Hawks can steal anyone. Or any team for that matter. Try outs were had and players choose to go to a team. Its also pretty clear that every club does a bit of recruiting but none more than others and it certainly isn't over the top.There is however a bitter parent who might not like his decision and skips from team to team. Most solid teams especially the Hawks stay away from cancers. We have dealt with the Hawks and have to say it was very open and honest about everything and fair.
If you are clinging to indoor games to a team you are not even associated with speaks volumes about your character and your points on this forum are mute and comical. What will you do next year in High School and you can't blame others for your kid not winning or making the team.The indoor league is High School - schools split there teams in half so everyone can get a run in. Are you telling us you watch the 2 Hawk teams play each week? You know the team so well you can tell if they have guest players? Sounds a bit crazy.

Agreed. API dads have been trash talking Hawks for years now and we shouldn't expect it to change now. These post clearly are sad and have no merit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2018 is finally here can't wait to get the season going. #18-6

API daddy back at it. Did you write both quotes ?

API and Hawks; Hatfields and McCoys. Need a "Go Fund Me" page to support "marriage counseling" for this VERY UNNECESSARY feud being fought out anonymously (aka cowardly) and publicly (sucks the life out of others cruelly while trying to otherwise enjoy to any extent the world of youth sports.

Hawks are more open this year in recruiting for next year already. They have quite a few guest players each week on their indoor teams. I hear they are looking to steal 1 or 2 for the spring/summer? Never ends

It never ends for dads like you to try to get people to think Hawks is a terrible team or cheats somehow. Get a life and stop worrying so much about teams you don't even belong to. My kid would love to play for the Hawks and has never even thought about API.

2022 is 8th grade this year. In last few years with early recruiting we saw a lot of reclassing of 8th graders all over country and especially in holdback central Maryland. . Now with ER somewhat gone until 11th grade, How are MD teams looking. Many reclass in the elite ranks?? Or did the huge amount of prefirsts make it unnecessary?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 is 8th grade this year. In last few years with early recruiting we saw a lot of reclassing of 8th graders all over country and especially in holdback central Maryland. . Now with ER somewhat gone until 11th grade, How are MD teams looking. Many reclass in the elite ranks?? Or did the huge amount of prefirsts make it unnecessary?

This entire quote is unnecessary and there is an entire forum dedicated to this topic-

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 is 8th grade this year. In last few years with early recruiting we saw a lot of reclassing of 8th graders all over country and especially in holdback central Maryland. . Now with ER somewhat gone until 11th grade, How are MD teams looking. Many reclass in the elite ranks?? Or did the huge amount of prefirsts make it unnecessary?

Nope. Reclassing still going strong.

Crabs over PLC for PSL box Championship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 is 8th grade this year. In last few years with early recruiting we saw a lot of reclassing of 8th graders all over country and especially in holdback central Maryland. . Now with ER somewhat gone until 11th grade, How are MD teams looking. Many reclass in the elite ranks?? Or did the huge amount of prefirsts make it unnecessary?

This entire quote is unnecessary and there is an entire forum dedicated to this topic-

Obviously your son has been heldback or done a prefirst. 8th grade is the big reclass for anyone that missed out on prefirst in MD and is nipping at elite level on age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2018 is finally here can't wait to get the season going. #18-6

API daddy back at it. Did you write both quotes ?

API and Hawks; Hatfields and McCoys. Need a "Go Fund Me" page to support "marriage counseling" for this VERY UNNECESSARY feud being fought out anonymously (aka cowardly) and publicly (drains the life out of others cruelly while trying to otherwise enjoy to any extent the world of youth sports.

Hawks are more open this year in recruiting for next year already. They have quite a few guest players each week on their indoor teams. I hear they are looking to steal 1 or 2 for the spring/summer? Never ends

It never ends for dads like you to try to get people to think Hawks is a terrible team or cheats somehow. Get a life and stop worrying so much about teams you don't even belong to. My kid would love to play for the Hawks and has never even thought about API.

For what it's worth, my son plays for an out-of-state team that has played both Hawks and API. On the field, I had absolutely no issues with the games or the players from either team, hard fought and well played games. However, the sideline experience was a completely different story. While every team is going to have a few of "those' parents, API ranks up there with some of the worst sideline parents around. While I am sure that there are some really great parents associated with the program, they are definitely overshadowed by the rest.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 is 8th grade this year. In last few years with early recruiting we saw a lot of reclassing of 8th graders all over country and especially in holdback central Maryland. . Now with ER somewhat gone until 11th grade, How are MD teams looking. Many reclass in the elite ranks?? Or did the huge amount of prefirsts make it unnecessary?

This entire quote is unnecessary and there is an entire forum dedicated to this topic-

Obviously your son has been heldback or done a prefirst. 8th grade is the big reclass for anyone that missed out on prefirst in MD and is nipping at elite level on age.

Hawks is the only team that picked up kids repeating 8th grade. Crabs did not. FCA did not. Of course Hawks parents will deny this as they still try to say they only have 2 holdbacks on the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2018 is finally here can't wait to get the season going. #18-6

API daddy back at it. Did you write both quotes ?

API and Hawks; Hatfields and McCoys. Need a "Go Fund Me" page to support "marriage counseling" for this VERY UNNECESSARY feud being fought out anonymously (aka cowardly) and publicly (drains/stinks the life out of others cruelly while [ChillLaxin]; ; bstronger kids

If you don't like it, play Rec.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 is 8th grade this year. In last few years with early recruiting we saw a lot of reclassing of 8th graders all over country and especially in holdback central Maryland. . Now with ER somewhat gone until 11th grade, How are MD teams looking. Many reclass in the elite ranks?? Or did the huge amount of prefirsts make it unnecessary?

This entire quote is unnecessary and there is an entire forum dedicated to this topic-

Obviously your son has been heldback or done a prefirst. 8th grade is the big reclass for anyone that missed out on prefirst in MD and is nipping at elite level on age.

Hawks is the only team that picked up kids repeating 8th grade. Crabs did not. FCA did not. Of course Hawks parents will deny this as they still try to say they only have 2 holdbacks on the team.

What's the difference between an 8th grade holdback and a pre-first?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 is 8th grade this year. In last few years with early recruiting we saw a lot of reclassing of 8th graders all over country and especially in holdback central Maryland. . Now with ER somewhat gone until 11th grade, How are MD teams looking. Many reclass in the elite ranks?? Or did the huge amount of prefirsts make it unnecessary?

This entire quote is unnecessary and there is an entire forum dedicated to this topic-

Obviously your son has been heldback or done a prefirst. 8th grade is the big reclass for anyone that missed out on prefirst in MD and is nipping at elite level on age.

Hawks is the only team that picked up kids repeating 8th grade. Crabs did not. FCA did not. Of course Hawks parents will deny this as they still try to say they only have 2 holdbacks on the team.

What's the difference between an 8th grade holdback and a pre-first?

A "holdback" is usually defined generically as a kid that has been held back a year along the way. Could be for any number of reasons - academic, social, athletic.

A "pre-first" is a kid that took an extra year between kindergarten and first grade. While there are those in the community that complain that this gives athletic advantage later on, I don't think that reasonable people think parents are thinking far enough ahead to use this extra year for that purpose. Like many, they feel their kid needs an extra year to grow socially, mentally, or emotionally. Just like kids that are started in kindergarten a year late.

In many cases, particularly for clubs that feed MIAA schools, kids repeat 8th grade before they go to high school, particularly if they did not take a pre-first year. Though some do both. The connotation in the community is this is strictly done for athletic reasons... parents don't deny there are athletic reasons but they usually say that's not the only consideration.

If a kid starts kindergarten when most kids do (the school year during which they turn six), takes a pre-first year, and repeats 8th grade, you could have 2022s that turn 16 this year. And if a kid started kindergarten late, took a pre-first year, and repeats 8th grade, he could be driving himself to spring league games in a couple months.

What makes this a big deal is the spread of puberty. While most kids who attend school following a normal progression (on-time and never held back) are just entering puberty in 8th grade, these kids that have taken 1, 2, or possibly 3 extra years are well into puberty, and the size and athletic differences are obvious.

I'm not a denier... I believe there is an advantage to this structure for those parents who use it, even if some of those parents deny it. But I also believe that a couple years into high school it kind of evens out. Especially if (for most of the kids who are doing this) "everyone's doing it." It can make you look like a heck of a youth player, which might get you and your club some attention early, but if half or more of your high school team also did it, that advantage disappears quickly.

But I'm also not a complainer. It is what it is. My kid got better playing against those bigger and older kids, and as a 9th grader he's behind his peers in terms of puberty.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 is 8th grade this year. In last few years with early recruiting we saw a lot of reclassing of 8th graders all over country and especially in holdback central Maryland. . Now with ER somewhat gone until 11th grade, How are MD teams looking. Many reclass in the elite ranks?? Or did the huge amount of prefirsts make it unnecessary?

This entire quote is unnecessary and there is an entire forum dedicated to this topic-

Obviously your son has been heldback or done a prefirst. 8th grade is the big reclass for anyone that missed out on prefirst in MD and is nipping at elite level on age.

Hawks is the only team that picked up kids repeating 8th grade. Crabs did not. FCA did not. Of course Hawks parents will deny this as they still try to say they only have 2 holdbacks on the team.

What's the difference between an 8th grade holdback and a pre-first?

A "holdback" is usually defined generically as a kid that has been held back a year along the way. Could be for any number of reasons - academic, social, athletic.

A "pre-first" is a kid that took an extra year between kindergarten and first grade. While there are those in the community that complain that this gives athletic advantage later on, I don't think that reasonable people think parents are thinking far enough ahead to use this extra year for that purpose. Like many, they feel their kid needs an extra year to grow socially, mentally, or emotionally. Just like kids that are started in kindergarten a year late.

In many cases, particularly for clubs that feed MIAA schools, kids repeat 8th grade before they go to high school, particularly if they did not take a pre-first year. Though some do both. The connotation in the community is this is strictly done for athletic reasons... parents don't deny there are athletic reasons but they usually say that's not the only consideration.

If a kid starts kindergarten when most kids do (the school year during which they turn six), takes a pre-first year, and repeats 8th grade, you could have 2022s that turn 16 this year. And if a kid started kindergarten late, took a pre-first year, and repeats 8th grade, he could be driving himself to spring league games in a couple months.

What makes this a big deal is the spread of puberty. While most kids who attend school following a normal progression (on-time and never held back) are just entering puberty in 8th grade, these kids that have taken 1, 2, or possibly 3 extra years are well into puberty, and the size and athletic differences are obvious.

I'm not a denier... I believe there is an advantage to this structure for those parents who use it, even if some of those parents deny it. But I also believe that a couple years into high school it kind of evens out. Especially if (for most of the kids who are doing this) "everyone's doing it." It can make you look like a heck of a youth player, which might get you and your club some attention early, but if half or more of your high school team also did it, that advantage disappears quickly.

But I'm also not a complainer. It is what it is. My kid got better playing against those bigger and older kids, and as a 9th grader he's behind his peers in terms of puberty.

Well stated. Couple of things. Being familiar with MIAA schools and having multiple children in them. I can tell you that many do think of sports while holding their child back in kindergarten. In other words doing a prefirst. Of course it helps out academically for many boys too . The majority of MIAA coaches of any sport have their sons or son do a prefirst. They know the drill to compete in MIAA.

The biggest issue I have as do many others is just what you state. Having children playing down in YOUTH lacrosse due to being held back. It is noticeable at early ages, but especially around puberty ages. And why do a select group of players get this advantage while others dont. Just isnt right at Youth level .

High School is a different animal and it is what it is,

API,Hawks,Crabs,FCA,91MD,DCE,RR all have holdbacks - this is a mute subject as every team on the Elite level has them.All clubs, teams ,parents and most important the players all agree to play. Right or wrong it is the state of the game at this age group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 is 8th grade this year. In last few years with early recruiting we saw a lot of reclassing of 8th graders all over country and especially in holdback central Maryland. . Now with ER somewhat gone until 11th grade, How are MD teams looking. Many reclass in the elite ranks?? Or did the huge amount of prefirsts make it unnecessary?

This entire quote is unnecessary and there is an entire forum dedicated to this topic-

Obviously your son has been heldback or done a prefirst. 8th grade is the big reclass for anyone that missed out on prefirst in MD and is nipping at elite level on age.

Hawks is the only team that picked up kids repeating 8th grade. Crabs did not. FCA did not. Of course Hawks parents will deny this as they still try to say they only have 2 holdbacks on the team.

Im sure the Hawks do have holdbacks, but lets not pretend no other clubs do. We have all seen the teams this fall and winter. Especially the Crabs and FCA.

Maryland residents focus on sports much more than the rest of the country, so percentage wise, more Maryland kids play D1 than other states. For example, most states list that fewer than 1% of kids go on to play D1 basketball, but in MD, the percentage is over 5%.

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MD has a long history of strong BB players and Teams from Balt City and DC suburbs. That along with 30% Black population in State helps that D1 stat in MD.
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The actor playing Joseph Goebbels in The Inglorious Bastards made a similar statement when referring to U.S. success at the Olympics. Looks like you're keeping good company these days.[/quote]

NCAA Div 1 athletics playing Basketball that are Black is close to 60% . That would mean states with a high population of Blacks would generally have a high percentage of BB players playing D1. And especially MD which has a strong history of excellent HS BB teams. How you compare this to what Goebbels said shows what a complete non critical thinker you are .

Or Einstein, does that mean a state like Idaho ( less than 1% Black) would have the same percentage of Div 1 BB players as Maryland?? Oops I mentioned Einstein! [/quote]
stunad - you should do some research before espousing your racist views. Just because there is a large population of black people in a state doesn't mean they produce more D1 basketball players. According to NCAA, states with the highest numbers of D1 players on top 25 basketball teams are CA, TX, IN, IL, and NC. Of these, only NC is among the top 10 states in percentage of their population that is black. In addition, better than 50% of DC's population is black. By your stunad-logic, 10% of D1 players should be from DC. I really wish some folks would evolve a little faster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 is 8th grade this year. In last few years with early recruiting we saw a lot of reclassing of 8th graders all over country and especially in holdback central Maryland. . Now with ER somewhat gone until 11th grade, How are MD teams looking. Many reclass in the elite ranks?? Or did the huge amount of prefirsts make it unnecessary?

This entire quote is unnecessary and there is an entire forum dedicated to this topic-

Obviously your son has been heldback or done a prefirst. 8th grade is the big reclass for anyone that missed out on prefirst in MD and is nipping at elite level on age.

Hawks is the only team that picked up kids repeating 8th grade. Crabs did not. FCA did not. Of course Hawks parents will deny this as they still try to say they only have 2 holdbacks on the team.

Im sure the Hawks do have holdbacks, but lets not pretend no other clubs do. We have all seen the teams this fall and winter. Especially the Crabs and FCA.

Of course they do. The question was specifically around teams that picked up kids repeating 8th grade. Neither Crabs or FCA did. Hawks is the only team that has new kids on the team that are repeating 8th grade. The Crabs and FCA kids that are older all went to prefirst or started school late.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 is 8th grade this year. In last few years with early recruiting we saw a lot of reclassing of 8th graders all over country and especially in holdback central Maryland. . Now with ER somewhat gone until 11th grade, How are MD teams looking. Many reclass in the elite ranks?? Or did the huge amount of prefirsts make it unnecessary?

This entire quote is unnecessary and there is an entire forum dedicated to this topic-

Obviously your son has been heldback or done a prefirst. 8th grade is the big reclass for anyone that missed out on prefirst in MD and is nipping at elite level on age.

Hawks is the only team that picked up kids repeating 8th grade. Crabs did not. FCA did not. Of course Hawks parents will deny this as they still try to say they only have 2 holdbacks on the team.

What's the difference between an 8th grade holdback and a pre-first?

No difference they are both CHEATING the system and themselves

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 is 8th grade this year. In last few years with early recruiting we saw a lot of reclassing of 8th graders all over country and especially in holdback central Maryland. . Now with ER somewhat gone until 11th grade, How are MD teams looking. Many reclass in the elite ranks?? Or did the huge amount of prefirsts make it unnecessary?

This entire quote is unnecessary and there is an entire forum dedicated to this topic-

Obviously your son has been heldback or done a prefirst. 8th grade is the big reclass for anyone that missed out on prefirst in MD and is nipping at elite level on age.

Hawks is the only team that picked up kids repeating 8th grade. Crabs did not. FCA did not. Of course Hawks parents will deny this as they still try to say they only have 2 holdbacks on the team.

What's the difference between an 8th grade holdback and a pre-first?

One gets held back while the mustache is growing in. The other gets held back while learning their ABC's. Any more questions bright one?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 is 8th grade this year. In last few years with early recruiting we saw a lot of reclassing of 8th graders all over country and especially in holdback central Maryland. . Now with ER somewhat gone until 11th grade, How are MD teams looking. Many reclass in the elite ranks?? Or did the huge amount of prefirsts make it unnecessary?

This entire quote is unnecessary and there is an entire forum dedicated to this topic-

Obviously your son has been heldback or done a prefirst. 8th grade is the big reclass for anyone that missed out on prefirst in MD and is nipping at elite level on age.

Hawks is the only team that picked up kids repeating 8th grade. Crabs did not. FCA did not. Of course Hawks parents will deny this as they still try to say they only have 2 holdbacks on the team.

Im sure the Hawks do have holdbacks, but lets not pretend no other clubs do. We have all seen the teams this fall and winter. Especially the Crabs and FCA.

Of course they do. The question was specifically around teams that picked up kids repeating 8th grade. Neither Crabs or FCA did. Hawks is the only team that has new kids on the team that are repeating 8th grade. The Crabs and FCA kids that are older all went to prefirst or started school late.

So if you cheat early = OK
So if you cheat late = bad

Leaders in the holdback clubhouse
1. Hawks
2. Crabs
3. FCA
4. Next Level
5. DC Express
6. Madlax
7. Rough Riders
8. Team 91
9. API

This entire quote is unnecessary and there is an entire forum dedicated to this topic-[/quote]

Obviously your son has been heldback or done a prefirst. 8th grade is the big reclass for anyone that missed out on prefirst in MD and is nipping at elite level on age. [/quote]

Hawks is the only team that picked up kids repeating 8th grade. Crabs did not. FCA did not. Of course Hawks parents will deny this as they still try to say they only have 2 holdbacks on the team.[/quote]

Im sure the Hawks do have holdbacks, but lets not pretend no other clubs do. We have all seen the teams this fall and winter. Especially the Crabs and FCA. [/quote]

Of course they do. The question was specifically around teams that picked up kids repeating 8th grade. Neither Crabs or FCA did. Hawks is the only team that has new kids on the team that are repeating 8th grade. The Crabs and FCA kids that are older all went to prefirst or started school late.[/quote]

So if you cheat early = OK
So if you cheat late = bad
[/quote]

It would seem that way, and I am not defending the practice, but at least when a kid is young, there are many other variables outside of pure athletic advantage...size, maturity, cognitive skills, etc...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Leaders in the holdback clubhouse
1. Hawks
2. Crabs
3. FCA
4. Next Level
5. DC Express
6. Madlax
7. Rough Riders
8. Team 91
9. API

YAWN........not a team out there that doesn't do this......next topic

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maryland residents focus on sports much more than the rest of the country, so percentage wise, more Maryland kids play D1 than other states. For example, most states list that fewer than 1% of kids go on to play D1 basketball, but in MD, the percentage is over 5%.

MD has a long history of strong BB players and Teams from Balt City and DC suburbs. That along with 30% Black population in State helps that D1 stat in MD.

The actor playing Joseph Goebbels in The Inglorious Bastards made a similar statement when referring to U.S. success at the Olympics. Looks like you're keeping good company these days.

NCAA Div 1 athletics playing Basketball that are Black is close to 60% . That would mean states with a high population of Blacks would generally have a high percentage of BB players playing D1. And especially MD which has a strong history of excellent HS BB teams. How you compare this to what Goebbels said shows what a complete non critical thinker you are .

Or Einstein, does that mean a state like Idaho ( less than 1% Black) would have the same percentage of Div 1 BB players as Maryland?? Oops I mentioned Einstein!

stunad - you should do some research before espousing your racist views. Just because there is a large population of black people in a state doesn't mean they produce more D1 basketball players. According to NCAA, states with the highest numbers of D1 players on top 25 basketball teams are CA, TX, IN, IL, and NC. Of these, only NC is among the top 10 states in percentage of their population that is black. In addition, better than 50% of DC's population is black. By your stunad-logic, 10% of D1 players should be from DC. I really wish some folks would evolve a little faster.

Besides seeing race around every corner, I see your reading comprehension and Math skills are lacking too. Where did you go to school, Whatsamatta U ??

Md has 1.7 million AA. Only 7 states have more AA. DC has less than 300K . Not sure what logic you are using , but by my logic that would be less than 1% from DC. Now who were you calling a name? LOL. And a big factor to go along with that as stated before, MD has a strong history of talented BB teams .

Here is another bit of logic for you , The states CA,TX,IL,NC all have the top 5 populations of AA in this country. So stunad they would have the most players in DI?? What is so hard to understand?? IL is the only outlier? And why is that? Due to a strong history of talented BB teams and a state that is BB crazy.

Sorry it offends you to state the obvious and say the word AA or Black without being apologetic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maryland residents focus on sports much more than the rest of the country, so percentage wise, more Maryland kids play D1 than other states. For example, most states list that fewer than 1% of kids go on to play D1 basketball, but in MD, the percentage is over 5%.

MD has a long history of strong BB players and Teams from Balt City and DC suburbs. That along with 30% Black population in State helps that D1 stat in MD.

The actor playing Joseph Goebbels in The Inglorious Bastards made a similar statement when referring to U.S. success at the Olympics. Looks like you're keeping good company these days.

NCAA Div 1 athletics playing Basketball that are Black is close to 60% . That would mean states with a high population of Blacks would generally have a high percentage of BB players playing D1. And especially MD which has a strong history of excellent HS BB teams. How you compare this to what Goebbels said shows what a complete non critical thinker you are .

Or Einstein, does that mean a state like Idaho ( less than 1% Black) would have the same percentage of Div 1 BB players as Maryland?? Oops I mentioned Einstein!

stunad - you should do some research before espousing your racist views. Just because there is a large population of black people in a state doesn't mean they produce more D1 basketball players. According to NCAA, states with the highest numbers of D1 players on top 25 basketball teams are CA, TX, IN, IL, and NC. Of these, only NC is among the top 10 states in percentage of their population that is black. In addition, better than 50% of DC's population is black. By your stunad-logic, 10% of D1 players should be from DC. I really wish some folks would evolve a little faster.

Besides seeing race around every corner, I see your reading comprehension and Math skills are lacking too. Where did you go to school, Whatsamatta U ??

Md has 1.7 million AA. Only 7 states have more AA. DC has less than 300K . Not sure what logic you are using , but by my logic that would be less than 1% from DC. Now who were you calling a name? LOL. And a big factor to go along with that as stated before, MD has a strong history of talented BB teams .

Here is another bit of logic for you , The states CA,TX,IL,NC all have the top 5 populations of AA in this country. So stunad they would have the most players in DI?? What is so hard to understand?? IL is the only outlier? And why is that? Due to a strong history of talented BB teams and a state that is BB crazy.

Sorry it offends you to state the obvious and say the word AA or Black without being apologetic.

So 4 states comprise the top 5. Hmm solid math there stunad. Additionally, your original [ChillLaxin] was based on a percentage of the population. Shifting to absolute numbers as you did in your last post, alters the underpinnings of your faulty [ChillLaxin]. Typical uneducated stale white guy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maryland residents focus on sports much more than the rest of the country, so percentage wise, more Maryland kids play D1 than other states. For example, most states list that fewer than 1% of kids go on to play D1 basketball, but in MD, the percentage is over 5%.

MD has a long history of strong BB players and Teams from Balt City and DC suburbs. That along with 30% Black population in State helps that D1 stat in MD.

The actor playing Joseph Goebbels in The Inglorious Bastards made a similar statement when referring to U.S. success at the Olympics. Looks like you're keeping good company these days.

NCAA Div 1 athletics playing Basketball that are Black is close to 60% . That would mean states with a high population of Blacks would generally have a high percentage of BB players playing D1. And especially MD which has a strong history of excellent HS BB teams. How you compare this to what Goebbels said shows what a complete non critical thinker you are .

Or Einstein, does that mean a state like Idaho ( less than 1% Black) would have the same percentage of Div 1 BB players as Maryland?? Oops I mentioned Einstein!

stunad - you should do some research before espousing your racist views. Just because there is a large population of black people in a state doesn't mean they produce more D1 basketball players. According to NCAA, states with the highest numbers of D1 players on top 25 basketball teams are CA, TX, IN, IL, and NC. Of these, only NC is among the top 10 states in percentage of their population that is black. In addition, better than 50% of DC's population is black. By your stunad-logic, 10% of D1 players should be from DC. I really wish some folks would evolve a little faster.

Besides seeing race around every corner, I see your reading comprehension and Math skills are lacking too. Where did you go to school, Whatsamatta U ??

Md has 1.7 million AA. Only 7 states have more AA. DC has less than 300K . Not sure what logic you are using , but by my logic that would be less than 1% from DC. Now who were you calling a name? LOL. And a big factor to go along with that as stated before, MD has a strong history of talented BB teams .

Here is another bit of logic for you , The states CA,TX,IL,NC all have the top 5 populations of AA in this country. So stunad they would have the most players in DI?? What is so hard to understand?? IL is the only outlier? And why is that? Due to a strong history of talented BB teams and a state that is BB crazy.

Sorry it offends you to state the obvious and say the word AA or Black without being apologetic.

So 4 states comprise the top 5. Hmm solid math there stunad. Additionally, your original assertion was based on a percentage of the population. Shifting to absolute numbers as you did in your last post, alters the underpinnings of your faulty assertion. Typical uneducated stale white guy.

original assertion; and faulty assertion

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maryland residents focus on sports much more than the rest of the country, so percentage wise, more Maryland kids play D1 than other states. For example, most states list that fewer than 1% of kids go on to play D1 basketball, but in MD, the percentage is over 5%.

MD has a long history of strong BB players and Teams from Balt City and DC suburbs. That along with 30% Black population in State helps that D1 stat in MD.

The actor playing Joseph Goebbels in The Inglorious Bastards made a similar statement when referring to U.S. success at the Olympics. Looks like you're keeping good company these days.

NCAA Div 1 athletics playing Basketball that are Black is close to 60% . That would mean states with a high population of Blacks would generally have a high percentage of BB players playing D1. And especially MD which has a strong history of excellent HS BB teams. How you compare this to what Goebbels said shows what a complete non critical thinker you are .

Or Einstein, does that mean a state like Idaho ( less than 1% Black) would have the same percentage of Div 1 BB players as Maryland?? Oops I mentioned Einstein!

stunad - you should do some research before espousing your racist views. Just because there is a large population of black people in a state doesn't mean they produce more D1 basketball players. According to NCAA, states with the highest numbers of D1 players on top 25 basketball teams are CA, TX, IN, IL, and NC. Of these, only NC is among the top 10 states in percentage of their population that is black. In addition, better than 50% of DC's population is black. By your stunad-logic, 10% of D1 players should be from DC. I really wish some folks would evolve a little faster.

Besides seeing race around every corner, I see your reading comprehension and Math skills are lacking too. Where did you go to school, Whatsamatta U ??

Md has 1.7 million AA. Only 7 states have more AA. DC has less than 300K . Not sure what logic you are using , but by my logic that would be less than 1% from DC. Now who were you calling a name? LOL. And a big factor to go along with that as stated before, MD has a strong history of talented BB teams .

Here is another bit of logic for you , The states CA,TX,IL,NC all have the top 5 populations of AA in this country. So stunad they would have the most players in DI?? What is so hard to understand?? IL is the only outlier? And why is that? Due to a strong history of talented BB teams and a state that is BB crazy.

Sorry it offends you to state the obvious and say the word AA or Black without being apologetic.

So 4 states comprise the top 5. Hmm solid math there stunad. Additionally, your original assertion was based on a percentage of the population. Shifting to absolute numbers as you did in your last post, alters the underpinnings of your faulty assertion. Typical uneducated stale white guy.

You get called out for being completely wrong and having the logic of a 5 year old. Now its because originally % was mentioned. Sorry you were not up to the task to actual use numbers against numbers. This is a MD forum and I forgot that you didnt know it was for people that actually know the state and approximate population!

Then the genius you are. YOU use the same logic that you just called me a racist for using. You are Hilarious. Did you forget you just called this line of thought racist? Oh I see..using percentage is racist, using absolute numbers isnt. LOL You are the poster child for someone who suffers from the Dunning–Kruger effect.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 is 8th grade this year. In last few years with early recruiting we saw a lot of reclassing of 8th graders all over country and especially in holdback central Maryland. . Now with ER somewhat gone until 11th grade, How are MD teams looking. Many reclass in the elite ranks?? Or did the huge amount of prefirsts make it unnecessary?

This entire quote is unnecessary and there is an entire forum dedicated to this topic-

Obviously your son has been heldback or done a prefirst. 8th grade is the big reclass for anyone that missed out on prefirst in MD and is nipping at elite level on age.

Hawks is the only team that picked up kids repeating 8th grade. Crabs did not. FCA did not. Of course Hawks parents will deny this as they still try to say they only have 2 holdbacks on the team.

Im sure the Hawks do have holdbacks, but lets not pretend no other clubs do. We have all seen the teams this fall and winter. Especially the Crabs and FCA.

Of course they do. The question was specifically around teams that picked up kids repeating 8th grade. Neither Crabs or FCA did. Hawks is the only team that has new kids on the team that are repeating 8th grade. The Crabs and FCA kids that are older all went to prefirst or started school late.

Not with the Hawks but that is completely false - Hawks have a very small turn around of kids from year to year- 1 or 3 kids new to team. Anyone that plays against them every year knows that. They added 1 player being held back for another sport. FCA,MADLAX, Crabs,DCE and API have added more holdbacks-new to the team. Doesn't matter when they were heldback they still where and are new to team this year. Again, every team has them and trying to decide who has more in a system that everyone playing has agreed to play in is ridiculous. Anyone who has been around these teams for years can clearly see that this fall and winter. Complaining about 1 team in general when an entire league is playing by the same rules. From the games this fall and winter a lot of teams have got better and it will be a very completive Spring and Summer

DCE
Koopers/Dukes
RR
Hawks
Crabs
FCA
91md
MadLax
APi

preseason standings
guesstimation

API is loaded with holdbacks just like every other team ! Difference is they will still be at the bottom looking up-

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DCE
Koopers/Dukes
RR
Hawks
Crabs
FCA
91md
MadLax
APi

preseason standings
guesstimation

Not likely. What is this based on? Certainly not fall results. Madlax Beat 91. 91 has blown our Crabs every time they have played. FCA blew out Crabs. No way RR is better than Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DCE
Koopers/Dukes
RR
Hawks
Crabs
FCA
91md
MadLax
APi

preseason standings
guesstimation

Not likely. What is this based on? Certainly not fall results. Madlax Beat 91. 91 has blown our Crabs every time they have played. FCA blew out Crabs. No way RR is better than Hawks.

Fall results don't matter. DCE lost to Hawks and then blew them out several weeks later. Koopers/Dukes depends on who shows up that week. RR are enigmatic: some of the League's best players but not enough depth. Hawks are solid but inconsistent. Crabs look to make the biggest jump in the standings due to their seasoned coaching staff. FCA will always shine but the two team concept may prove to dilutive in the short run. 91 looks a lot weaker than before as does MadLax and API

"Crabs look to make the biggest jump in the standings due to their seasoned coaching staff." #Fakenews

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DCE
Koopers/Dukes
RR
Hawks
Crabs
FCA
91md
MadLax
APi

preseason standings
guesstimation

Not likely. What is this based on? Certainly not fall results. Madlax Beat 91. 91 has blown our Crabs every time they have played. FCA blew out Crabs. No way RR is better than Hawks.

Fall results don't matter. DCE lost to Hawks and then blew them out several weeks later. Koopers/Dukes depends on who shows up that week. RR are enigmatic: some of the League's best players but not enough depth. Hawks are solid but inconsistent. Crabs look to make the biggest jump in the standings due to their seasoned coaching staff. FCA will always shine but the two team concept may prove to dilutive in the short run. 91 looks a lot weaker than before as does MadLax and API

it was purely a guess as stated and more of bait for ass clowns like you to jump all over. Thanks for not disappointing. Where would we all be without the investigating reporting for this age group. The reporters who go to games to watch other teams play on days their kids team is home. Keep up the good work-

Originally Posted by Anonymous

RR are enigmatic: some of the League's best players but not enough depth. Hawks are solid but inconsistent. Crabs look to make the biggest jump in the standings due to their seasoned coaching staff.

What are you smoking?

Assclowns. Love it. Is this a [ChillLaxin] with a large ass or an ass that has [ChillLaxin] attached. LOL. Love being a Troll.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DCE
Koopers/Dukes
RR
Hawks
Crabs
FCA
91md
MadLax
APi

preseason standings
guesstimation

Dec can't touch Dukes

DCE can roll with anyone intros league including Dukes .

We aim to please....LOL.....if you aren't trolling, you're not trying....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DCE
Koopers/Dukes
RR
Hawks
Crabs
FCA
91md
MadLax
APi

preseason standings
guesstimation

Hawks have practiced 4 times since this was posted.

The best teams are "the best" for two reasons:
1) They recruit from other teams making their team better and the other team worse
2) They get holdbacks - best way to be bigger, stronger, faster.

Coaching is of little importance at this age.

As the Dukes proved, just pull together some great kids and with no practices and they can beat the best regular season team easily.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best teams are "the best" for two reasons:
1) They recruit from other teams making their team better and the other team worse
2) They get holdbacks - best way to be bigger, stronger, faster.

Coaching is of little importance at this age.

As the Dukes proved, just pull together some great kids and with no practices and they can beat the best regular season team easily.

Couldn't disagree more. Coaching has been huge the past few years and will continue to be this year. Many games were won last year due to in game situational coaching. For as much as these kids practice the coaching they are getting is instrumental in their development. Dukes are no different, yes they had studs all over the field but they were also very well coached. They played a lot together last year with the same coaches. Dukes also lost games last year and this fall.(because they were out coached).
It is very clear the teams over the past years that have not progressed and it is due directly to coaching. Kids can only hit the wall so many times and work on their individual game. This is a team sport. Every team is beatable , every team this year is bigger, stronger, faster and have holdbacks. The difference will be the Coaching!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best teams are "the best" for two reasons:
1) They recruit from other teams making their team better and the other team worse
2) They get holdbacks - best way to be bigger, stronger, faster.

Coaching is of little importance at this age.

As the Dukes proved, just pull together some great kids and with no practices and they can beat the best regular season team easily.

At this age great skilled athletic players beats any well coached team of good players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best teams are "the best" for two reasons:
1) They recruit from other teams making their team better and the other team worse
2) They get holdbacks - best way to be bigger, stronger, faster.

Coaching is of little importance at this age.

As the Dukes proved, just pull together some great kids and with no practices and they can beat the best regular season team easily.

Couldn't disagree more. Coaching has been huge the past few years and will continue to be this year. Many games were won last year due to in game situational coaching. For as much as these kids practice the coaching they are getting is instrumental in their development. Dukes are no different, yes they had studs all over the field but they were also very well coached. They played a lot together last year with the same coaches. Dukes also lost games last year and this fall.(because they were out coached).
It is very clear the teams over the past years that have not progressed and it is due directly to coaching. Kids can only hit the wall so many times and work on their individual game. This is a team sport. Every team is beatable , every team this year is bigger, stronger, faster and have holdbacks. The difference will be the Coaching!

A couple practices and 2 tournaments 3 months apart is not "a lot". Coaching had little to do with it.

So who are some of the best and worst coached teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best teams are "the best" for two reasons:
1) They recruit from other teams making their team better and the other team worse
2) They get holdbacks - best way to be bigger, stronger, faster.

Coaching is of little importance at this age.

As the Dukes proved, just pull together some great kids and with no practices and they can beat the best regular season team easily.

Couldn't disagree more. Coaching has been huge the past few years and will continue to be this year. Many games were won last year due to in game situational coaching. For as much as these kids practice the coaching they are getting is instrumental in their development. Dukes are no different, yes they had studs all over the field but they were also very well coached. They played a lot together last year with the same coaches. Dukes also lost games last year and this fall.(because they were out coached).
It is very clear the teams over the past years that have not progressed and it is due directly to coaching. Kids can only hit the wall so many times and work on their individual game. This is a team sport. Every team is beatable , every team this year is bigger, stronger, faster and have holdbacks. The difference will be the Coaching!

Is it good for the kids to be OVER coached? If the have 15 set plays and drill them to perfection and win games by finding holes in the other teams D, does this make your son a better player and more prepared for High School Lacrosse? Its like in football at the youth level. I can teach my team 15 trick crazy plays that will catch the other team by surprise and allow me to score 15 Touch Downs. Does this make my youth team better football players?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We aim to please....LOL.....if you aren't trolling, you're not trying....

BOO. My comment was deleted. I thought my comment was pithy and relevant as we needed a definition of an [ChillLaxin]ChillLaxin] to get the full impact of the previous statement. [ChillLaxin]ChillLaxin] may be a complement. I may want to be the best [ChillLaxin]ChillLaxin] possible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best teams are "the best" for two reasons:
1) They recruit from other teams making their team better and the other team worse
2) They get holdbacks - best way to be bigger, stronger, faster.

Coaching is of little importance at this age.

As the Dukes proved, just pull together some great kids and with no practices and they can beat the best regular season team easily.

Couldn't disagree more. Coaching has been huge the past few years and will continue to be this year. Many games were won last year due to in game situational coaching. For as much as these kids practice the coaching they are getting is instrumental in their development. Dukes are no different, yes they had studs all over the field but they were also very well coached. They played a lot together last year with the same coaches. Dukes also lost games last year and this fall.(because they were out coached).
It is very clear the teams over the past years that have not progressed and it is due directly to coaching. Kids can only hit the wall so many times and work on their individual game. This is a team sport. Every team is beatable , every team this year is bigger, stronger, faster and have holdbacks. The difference will be the Coaching!

Is it good for the kids to be OVER coached? If the have 15 set plays and drill them to perfection and win games by finding holes in the other teams D, does this make your son a better player and more prepared for High School Lacrosse? Its like in football at the youth level. I can teach my team 15 trick crazy plays that will catch the other team by surprise and allow me to score 15 Touch Downs. Does this make my youth team better football players?

this is exactly what api has done and why they were good in elementary school but not very good now. they only ran plays, they did not teach their players how to play lacrosse. they played a very simple zone, they did not teach their players how to play defense. they had very good players but they did not teach or coach them - so many of those players left to go to other teams where they are now coached. those who stayed are suffering the consequences.

Offense in lacrosse has to develop. Just like on fast breaks you have 5 options. You take what the defense gives. Settled offense is about movement and catching the defense out of position. 15 plays is a laugh. Move the ball, dodge, draw two and dump. Skip pass and double skips, Ball speed and off ball movement will kill all defenses. If you coach is only teaching plays, he is missing the sport entirely.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best teams are "the best" for two reasons:
1) They recruit from other teams making their team better and the other team worse
2) They get holdbacks - best way to be bigger, stronger, faster.

Coaching is of little importance at this age.

As the Dukes proved, just pull together some great kids and with no practices and they can beat the best regular season team easily.

Couldn't disagree more. Coaching has been huge the past few years and will continue to be this year. Many games were won last year due to in game situational coaching. For as much as these kids practice the coaching they are getting is instrumental in their development. Dukes are no different, yes they had studs all over the field but they were also very well coached. They played a lot together last year with the same coaches. Dukes also lost games last year and this fall.(because they were out coached).
It is very clear the teams over the past years that have not progressed and it is due directly to coaching. Kids can only hit the wall so many times and work on their individual game. This is a team sport. Every team is beatable , every team this year is bigger, stronger, faster and have holdbacks. The difference will be the Coaching!

A couple practices and 2 tournaments 3 months apart is not "a lot". Coaching had little to do with it.

Are you referring to 1 single game? The last game of the year for a team that won 98% of their games from fall ball- winter indoor-undefeated spring league and 1 loss in the final game of a hot 2 day slug fest to a team that was completely fresh for that tournament and that particular day-- 1 game clearly doesn't mean as much as an entire year. Coaching had a lot to do with that teams success. As proven the next time the same 2 teams met this fall. How did those few studs fair against a well coached fresh team with a ton of good talent-
To say coaching has little to do with a teams overall success clearly states you have no idea about this game. Sure , like every sport if you put an all star team together they will most likely but clearly not always when against most teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best teams are "the best" for two reasons:
1) They recruit from other teams making their team better and the other team worse
2) They get holdbacks - best way to be bigger, stronger, faster.

Coaching is of little importance at this age.

As the Dukes proved, just pull together some great kids and with no practices and they can beat the best regular season team easily.

LOL, Holdback Troll, Talent matters no doubt and is the most important variable. That being said, less talented teams well coached teams can consistently beat more talented teams with poor coaching. Coaching matters the most when it comes to development. Do players and the team progress and how fast? The better the staff and the more committed the kids and their parents are, the faster the players and team progress. Scouting, practice and game planning, and in game adjustments start to matter at the elite middle school level. Based on my experience coaching several A Conference championship teams, it takes 3-4 years of coaching at the elite high school or top flight collegiate level to really learn the craft. What I can tell you, is a top flight coaching staff with a modicum of talent will run circles around the traditional "rec" coach even one with a loaded all start team. That being said, this is lacrosse which is more like basketball than football: translation, coaches impact outcomes in football more than hoops and lax.

It's not the X's and O's, it's the Jimmys and Joes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]2018 is finally here can't wait to get the season going. #18-6

API daddy back at it. Did you write both quotes ?

API and Hawks; Hatfields and McCoys. Need a "Go Fund Me" page to support "marriage counseling" for this VERY UNNECESSARY feud being fought out anonymously (aka cowardly) and publicly (stinks the life out of others cruelly while trying to otherwise enjoy to any extent the world of youth sports.

Hawks are more open this year in recruiting for next year already. They have quite a few guest players each week on their indoor teams. I hear they are looking to steal 1 or 2 for the spring/summer? Never ends

Guest player is a retread. former holdback goalie who couldn't make the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best teams are "the best" for two reasons:
1) They recruit from other teams making their team better and the other team worse
2) They get holdbacks - best way to be bigger, stronger, faster.

Coaching is of little importance at this age.

As the Dukes proved, just pull together some great kids and with no practices and they can beat the best regular season team easily.

Couldn't disagree more. Coaching has been huge the past few years and will continue to be this year. Many games were won last year due to in game situational coaching. For as much as these kids practice the coaching they are getting is instrumental in their development. Dukes are no different, yes they had studs all over the field but they were also very well coached. They played a lot together last year with the same coaches. Dukes also lost games last year and this fall.(because they were out coached).
It is very clear the teams over the past years that have not progressed and it is due directly to coaching. Kids can only hit the wall so many times and work on their individual game. This is a team sport. Every team is beatable , every team this year is bigger, stronger, faster and have holdbacks. The difference will be the Coaching!

A couple practices and 2 tournaments 3 months apart is not "a lot". Coaching had little to do with it.

Are you referring to 1 single game? The last game of the year for a team that won 98% of their games from fall ball- winter indoor-undefeated spring league and 1 loss in the final game of a hot 2 day slug fest to a team that was completely fresh for that tournament and that particular day-- 1 game clearly doesn't mean as much as an entire year. Coaching had a lot to do with that teams success. As proven the next time the same 2 teams met this fall. How did those few studs fair against a well coached fresh team with a ton of good talent-
To say coaching has little to do with a teams overall success clearly states you have no idea about this game. Sure , like every sport if you put an all star team together they will most likely but clearly not always when against most teams.

Get over yourself. Dukes was missing half their team that Sunday because of another tournament in Philly. And Hawks won on a last second goal. Those teams aren’t close at full strength. Fresh or not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best teams are "the best" for two reasons:
1) They recruit from other teams making their team better and the other team worse
2) They get holdbacks - best way to be bigger, stronger, faster.

Coaching is of little importance at this age.

As the Dukes proved, just pull together some great kids and with no practices and they can beat the best regular season team easily.

Couldn't disagree more. Coaching has been huge the past few years and will continue to be this year. Many games were won last year due to in game situational coaching. For as much as these kids practice the coaching they are getting is instrumental in their development. Dukes are no different, yes they had studs all over the field but they were also very well coached. They played a lot together last year with the same coaches. Dukes also lost games last year and this fall.(because they were out coached).
It is very clear the teams over the past years that have not progressed and it is due directly to coaching. Kids can only hit the wall so many times and work on their individual game. This is a team sport. Every team is beatable , every team this year is bigger, stronger, faster and have holdbacks. The difference will be the Coaching!

A couple practices and 2 tournaments 3 months apart is not "a lot". Coaching had little to do with it.

Are you referring to 1 single game? The last game of the year for a team that won 98% of their games from fall ball- winter indoor-undefeated spring league and 1 loss in the final game of a hot 2 day slug fest to a team that was completely fresh for that tournament and that particular day-- 1 game clearly doesn't mean as much as an entire year. Coaching had a lot to do with that teams success. As proven the next time the same 2 teams met this fall. How did those few studs fair against a well coached fresh team with a ton of good talent-
To say coaching has little to do with a teams overall success clearly states you have no idea about this game. Sure , like every sport if you put an all star team together they will most likely but clearly not always when against most teams.

Get over yourself. Dukes was missing half their team that Sunday because of another tournament in Philly. And Hawks won on a last second goal. Those teams aren’t close at full strength. Fresh or not.

Get over myself? Really? Im not the one bragging about an ALL STAR team beating a team 1 time and stating coaching has nothing to do with success at this age group. Dukes is always missing half their team which is the excuse for every loss.If they had their entire team they would have 50 boys on the sideline. What half is that? The ALL Star players from LI or PA? Here is a good question for ya. How did your boys regular team fair last year? Here is another one for ya, if any Hawk player wanted to play for the Dukes than your kid would not have a spot - Your kid would never get the call to play in a local tournaments but they would your take your money.
Dukes is a very good ALL Star team and nothing more . Very fun to watch as it should be with all the talent they have.
Have a great weekend! Cheers

FCA Blue is playing in California this weekend? How nice of all the white team players to fund these trips.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA Blue is playing in California this weekend? How nice of all the white team players to fund these trips.

That's racist! The white players don't pay for everything.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best teams are "the best" for two reasons:
1) They recruit from other teams making their team better and the other team worse
2) They get holdbacks - best way to be bigger, stronger, faster.

Coaching is of little importance at this age.

As the Dukes proved, just pull together some great kids and with no practices and they can beat the best regular season team easily.

Couldn't disagree more. Coaching has been huge the past few years and will continue to be this year. Many games were won last year due to in game situational coaching. For as much as these kids practice the coaching they are getting is instrumental in their development. Dukes are no different, yes they had studs all over the field but they were also very well coached. They played a lot together last year with the same coaches. Dukes also lost games last year and this fall.(because they were out coached).
It is very clear the teams over the past years that have not progressed and it is due directly to coaching. Kids can only hit the wall so many times and work on their individual game. This is a team sport. Every team is beatable , every team this year is bigger, stronger, faster and have holdbacks. The difference will be the Coaching!

A couple practices and 2 tournaments 3 months apart is not "a lot". Coaching had little to do with it.

Are you referring to 1 single game? The last game of the year for a team that won 98% of their games from fall ball- winter indoor-undefeated spring league and 1 loss in the final game of a hot 2 day slug fest to a team that was completely fresh for that tournament and that particular day-- 1 game clearly doesn't mean as much as an entire year. Coaching had a lot to do with that teams success. As proven the next time the same 2 teams met this fall. How did those few studs fair against a well coached fresh team with a ton of good talent-
To say coaching has little to do with a teams overall success clearly states you have no idea about this game. Sure , like every sport if you put an all star team together they will most likely but clearly not always when against most teams.

Get over yourself. Dukes was missing half their team that Sunday because of another tournament in Philly. And Hawks won on a last second goal. Those teams aren’t close at full strength. Fresh or not.

Get over myself? Really? Im not the one bragging about an ALL STAR team beating a team 1 time and stating coaching has nothing to do with success at this age group. Dukes is always missing half their team which is the excuse for every loss.If they had their entire team they would have 50 boys on the sideline. What half is that? The ALL Star players from LI or PA? Here is a good question for ya. How did your boys regular team fair last year? Here is another one for ya, if any Hawk player wanted to play for the Dukes than your kid would not have a spot - Your kid would never get the call to play in a local tournaments but they would your take your money.
Dukes is a very good ALL Star team and nothing more . Very fun to watch as it should be with all the talent they have.
Have a great weekend! Cheers

And what's your excuse for losing the next week? Boys still tired?

Clearly missing the point entirely which is par for the course on this site. No excuses just facts -losing games doesn't mean a thing unless your an ALL STAR team! Thanks for the entertainment and the laughs. Look forward to your lame response .

Pick any 6 teams from the elite division and take the top 3 or 4 kids and that team beats the Dukes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clearly missing the point entirely which is par for the course on this site. No excuses just facts -losing games doesn't mean a thing unless your an ALL STAR team! Thanks for the entertainment and the laughs. Look forward to your lame response .

*you're

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pick any 6 teams from the elite division and take the top 3 or 4 kids and that team beats the Dukes.

Not even close if dukes has its best kids

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pick any 6 teams from the elite division and take the top 3 or 4 kids and that team beats the Dukes.

Not even close if dukes has its best kids

Got that right!

Dukes would get smoked.

HOCo elite all stars better than Dukes all stars

There are some good teams at the Madlax Capital Box tournament ..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes would get smoked.

HOCo elite all stars better than Dukes all stars

Depends on the week. Dukes lineup is never the same.

Does anyone know what clubs will play in the HOCO Elite division this spring?

Will any teams move up from the AA level?
Will any of the teams move down from the elite division?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know what clubs will play in the HOCO Elite division this spring?

Will any teams move up from the AA level?
Will any of the teams move down from the elite division?

The competition committee has not met yet to determine this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are some good teams at the Madlax Capital Box tournament ..

Warthogs or D.C. Express should win it.

A, AA, Elite. LOL Does this make you feel better? When my kid played HOCO we had A, B, C. I guess we do not want to hurt any feelings. Hope everyone gets a trophy.

Anybody play in the MLK indoor tourney today?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody play in the MLK indoor tourney today?

LOL. This tournament has gone downhill. Used to get some great club teams. Now it's just kids mostly from the DMV put together as a random team.

Dc express won over mad lax 13-9
Cannons and warthogs both went 2-1

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are some good teams at the Madlax Capital Box tournament ..

Warthogs or D.C. Express should win it.

Express easily won. Beat a warthogs team that was loaded with Dukes Koopers and Hawks players

Assuming you're playing either Canadian or US rules, Box is a different although related game to the field version. Much more picking and schematic work plus chemistry to make a box team great. Also, everyone out there must be able to shoot and defend. Hard to put together a pick up box team unless you have a ton of savy box veterans.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Assuming you're playing either Canadian or US rules, Box is a different although related game to the field version. Much more picking and schematic work plus chemistry to make a box team great. Also, everyone out there must be able to shoot and defend. Hard to put together a pick up box team unless you have a ton of savy box veterans.

There aren't too many savvy box veterans in 8th grade living in Maryland. Are the Cannons making a come back?

Where is that Evergreen troll when you need her? Looks like this tounament is in your backyard but your a no show?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are some good teams at the Madlax Capital Box tournament ..

Warthogs or D.C. Express should win it.

Express easily won. Beat a warthogs team that was loaded with Dukes Koopers and Hawks players

Warthogs players played multiple back to back games. So while your son could barely manage 2 30 min games we had players playing twice that not to mention no team practices and loosing our coach to a heart attack recently. W/L my beat is no one in AA shut down our #55 even after his 4th game of the day. Id say see you in the spring but my guess is your son struggles in rec and probably spent the weekend watching and not playing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA is the top team in Baltimore !

Maybe when everyone else is playing out of state?

FCA is better than:
91 md
Crabs
Looneys
Koopers
Green Turtle
Lax Factory
Bitmore
and who ever else

Not better than Evergreen.

Evergreen? Stop it...LOL...who are they...LMAO your making my face twitch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Assuming you're playing either Canadian or US rules, Box is a different although related game to the field version. Much more picking and schematic work plus chemistry to make a box team great. Also, everyone out there must be able to shoot and defend. Hard to put together a pick up box team unless you have a ton of savy box veterans.

There aren't too many savvy box veterans in 8th grade living in Maryland. Are the Cannons making a come back?

HS level they looked really good. A AA looked like they dragged a bunch of kids out of leesburg. Probably Evergreen players. Yeah that's right...where you at Evergreen troll...lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is the Dukes team joining the HOCO League?

Yes. Kids will play on their regular teams as well as Dukes. It's the Wild, Wild West. Good job HoCo.

Wrong. Can't play for more than one team in HoCo. The Dukes team will be the Koopers kids that have been playing on the 2021 team but are in 8th grade. Also there will be kids from Philly and Jersey coming down and a couple kids left their Baltimore based team to just play for Dukes. The normal Koopers 2022 team will still be playing in a lower division.

Rules are online. That isn't one of the rules.

So a kid can play for 6 different teams in the same league? [ChillLaxin]

Not your kid so don't worry about it. The only team your boy could make is the one your coaching. You'd cut him but you're wife would [lacrosse] you up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavalier 2022, 2024 and 2026 each won the championship at Colonial Challenge. Not aware of any other club that has successfully won 3 championships at the same tournament. Our boys work very hard and deserve every accolade they get. What an incredible accomplishment. Just saying.

Nice try for a fake troll post. Looking to get some negative comments on Cav's. I can see the feeble attempt. If it were a real effort you would mention that the 2023 team also won the championship at the Colonial Challenge. You sir, are not match for the Evergreen troll

It's called an omission. My son plays for Cavs 2026 and I was going by our Instagram page. Didn't see 2023 mentioned. But if your son plays for a different club and you keep track of all the Cavalier teams, then that tells me our club is on the same level as everyone else.

The Evergreen troll's son probably cant make a Cav team. This troll sounds more like a stalker than a troll.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dont be fooled. EVERGREEN 2022 are CAVS and 3d 2022 and 2021 (except on paper). CAVS and 3d are both lower entry level clubs that as you can tell enter feel good touneys to claim a "win". Their FOGO looked familar from when we played CAVS. A parent was all too eager told me he was mastermind behind this CAVS/3d/Evergreen team looking to dismantle CAVS from the inside by pulling hid son and other CAVS players to Evergreen.

Its a shame....looks like Evergreen has a nice facility....immature program looking for shortcuts to sucess. stay far away...

Looks like Evergreen will attempt HOCO in the spring. Remember Virginia and the South lost the war for the same reason they sux at lacrosse....they....are.....slooooow.....

A: The FOGO did not come from CAV's
B: If you were on the sideline of a game talking to an Evergreen parent and are in the Mid-Atlantic area, I assume your son's team lost to Evergreen (they only lost to out of state and Canadian teams)
C: Your team also plays in "C" level tournaments.
D: It would not take a "mastermind" to get kids to move from one "b/c" level program to join another. The move was a bigger hit to 3d. they did loose the 2022 team.
E: The most talented of all three went to or will go to Blackwolf.

Evergreen will make some noise in HOCO if they play in the AA not Elite.

Evergreen troll at it again? Whats the problem with this guy? Run out of how to be a lacrosse coach YouTube videos? Needs to get out more and away from Leesburg because we all know DC Express will be the team to beat this year. How do I know? A parent told me he was the master mind behind Bethesda and....give us a break.....smh

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen
You better get past cannons, lax factory , or the single A teams before calling out the double A big boys . This is Lacrosse not landscaping theirs not a good team that comes from Leesburg . Sorry you don't want the Maryland big boys .

Cannons LaxFactory and others bit the dust this Fall. CAVS avoided and 3d folded. AA Md teams are ducking. ELC all the way. 3year program just getting started.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A, AA, Elite. LOL Does this make you feel better? When my kid played HOCO we had A, B, C. I guess we do not want to hurt any feelings. Hope everyone gets a trophy.

Dont forget Select.
Every kid needs a team and every program has bills to pay.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This Evergreen chatter is hilarious. If it is from an Evergreen player/parent/coach I would be surprised. More likely just trolling from another disgruntled club player/parent/coach. I doubt they will be any good but boy I hope the troll or trolls keep this up. It is very entertaining....This guy Anonymous seems to be an expert on many subjects! I hope to meet him some day!

Look for the parent with the face twitch and you will know the disgruntled Evergreen parent. Same parent that knows all, never played a game in his life but could probably even teach D1 coaches a few things about the game from watching YouTube videos.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good God, all of this Evergreen crap has made this forum boring to read. Yawn.

Yeah lets go back to talking about holdovers and Koopers....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh, I get it. Cavalier beats FCA - a great club - and you guys don't want to give us a seat at the big kids' table. LOL. Not every club beats FCA, and our 2022 AND 2023 teams beat them to win championships.

God, you guys stink.

Your club is a fraud. Enter an AA tourney and then we can have a conversation, until you do that Cavalier is irrelevant.

Cavs is the new Evergreen.

Cavs 2022 can not even beat Evergreen 2022.

Evergreen easily beat Cav22 and by default would smack down FCA just like they did MadLax.

All those talking crap about Crabs this fall should apologize. Won two fall tournaments including the Autumn Classic today[/quote]

But did you beat Evergreen? You havnt played lacrosse until you've played ELC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are some good teams at the Madlax Capital Box tournament ..

Warthogs or D.C. Express should win it.

Express easily won. Beat a warthogs team that was loaded with Dukes Koopers and Hawks players

Warthogs players played multiple back to back games. So while your son could barely manage 2 30 min games we had players playing twice that not to mention no team practices and loosing our coach to a heart attack recently. W/L my beat is no one in AA shut down our #55 even after his 4th game of the day. Id say see you in the spring but my guess is your son struggles in rec and probably spent the weekend watching and not playing.

Poorly run program. Kids played A and AA due to lack of bodies on the 2 teams. Warthogs had some of the oldest kids on the floor at this tournament. No surprise some played well against younger boys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are some good teams at the Madlax Capital Box tournament ..

Warthogs or D.C. Express should win it.

Express easily won. Beat a warthogs team that was loaded with Dukes Koopers and Hawks players

Warthogs players played multiple back to back games. So while your son could barely manage 2 30 min games we had players playing twice that not to mention no team practices and loosing our coach to a heart attack recently. W/L my beat is no one in AA shut down our #55 even after his 4th game of the day. Id say see you in the spring but my guess is your son struggles in rec and probably spent the weekend watching and not playing.

Warthog players playing on multiple teams in a tournament when rosters had to be submitted before the tournament. So much playing by the rules and having a set roster and still did not win priceless.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All those talking crap about Crabs this fall should apologize. Won two fall tournaments including the Autumn Classic today

But did you beat Evergreen? You havnt played lacrosse until you've played ELC.
[/quote]

Oh yeah....Everygreen parent here just got the summer tournament schedule. Its a guarantee we should (key word should) win some games even against the 2026 holdovers.

Forum chatter is the best. Good morning all. Evergreen troll seems busy must be a new season on the horizon keep that marketing team busy.

RR new year, new email address? Come on I just want to schedule a play date.

With Love,
SweetLax

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh, I get it. Cavalier beats FCA - a great club - and you guys don't want to give us a seat at the big kids' table. LOL. Not every club beats FCA, and our 2022 AND 2023 teams beat them to win championships.

God, you guys stink.

Your club is a fraud. Enter an AA tourney and then we can have a conversation, until you do that Cavalier is irrelevant.

Cavs is the new Evergreen.

Cavs 2022 can not even beat Evergreen 2022.

Evergreen easily beat Cav22 and by default would smack down FCA just like they did MadLax.

Whoever this person is who went on an Evergreen rant at 2:30 am with like 15 posts in a row to himself is a stunad and not the real Evergreen troll. Do not disrespect the real Evergreen troll who is actually funny. Timing is everything. The real troll must have been busy making those sic videos for youtube and the ELC site. It is interesting that in the video most of the kids are wearing Cav and 3d gear. They must be pulling kids away from other clubs. Madlax is even having issues fielding two teams at each age. There is not enough players in N.VA to go around it will be up to the team with the best website. Evergreen is winning where it counts $$$$$

Dc express high school kids ...huge

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dc express high school kids ...huge

Well Hawks has a kid that turned 15 this week. So there you go.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dc express high school kids ...huge

Well Hawks has a kid that turned 15 this week. So there you go.

What's your point?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dc express high school kids ...huge

Well Hawks has a kid that turned 15 this week. So there you go.

It is after the New Year, so any one turning 15 is on age. Get over it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Well Hawks has a kid that turned 15 this week. So there you go.

It is after the New Year, so any one turning 15 is on age. Get over it.

Actually "on age" would be 14 for this spring and summer season for 2022's. My son just turned 14 and he's one of the older kids in his 8th grade class since he has an early 2004 birthday.

That's the fact and if you can't accept it then maybe you should get over the reality that your 15 year old 8th grader should be in 9th grade.

My eighth grader is 13 and will be 14 in the spring. Your 15 year old is a cheating holdback who can’t compete with kids who are his own age. Good going holdback dad. FYI - The cheating age differential is less of an advantage every year. Your extra holdback tuition might be a waste of money.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dc express high school kids ...huge

Well Hawks has a kid that turned 15 this week. So there you go.

It is after the New Year, so any one turning 15 is on age. Get over it.

What the heck are you talking about? In what world is 15 on age for 8th grade?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dc express high school kids ...huge

Well Hawks has a kid that turned 15 this week. So there you go.

It is after the New Year, so any one turning 15 is on age. Get over it.

What the heck are you talking about? In what world is 15 on age for 8th grade?

What he is talking about is his child who was heldback or did a prefirst. Somehow he has convinced himself that his heldback/prefirst child is on age! Hilarious

My kid is 16, a Junior in HS and has been playing varsity for 2 years. He would be D1 monster with 14 year olds. LOL It does even out. The hold back kids burn out, get injured or are not the stars anymore and can not handle it. What comes around goes around. Good luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid is 16, a Junior in HS and has been playing varsity for 2 years. He would be D1 monster with 14 year olds. LOL It does even out. The hold back kids burn out, get injured or are not the stars anymore and can not handle it. What comes around goes around. Good luck.

Your point makes no sense sir. Because if you had held your son back he would be in a even better spot then he is now when it comes to lacrosse. Life and other things not so much but in lacrosse he would be on lots of top lists if he was about to start his Freshman season in high school. You can be mad at and even hate reclass kids/parents but to say it does not work out for lots of them is just silly. The proof is juts look around at all the high school head coaches of any sport and see how many of them hold there son back a year.

NO WAY!

Evergreen helmets are at the #laxcon Cascade booth. Don't see any other NVA or Md club helmets. Maybe the chatter is true, Evergreen is so good they are up there next to MLL teams. Neat helmet, black S must be hot in the summer. Design is clean but boring. Boring helmet is what you get when the mascot is a tree.

That sir was their 2025 team.

New Cavs S helmets look butt stupid. Like a Cleveland Browns helmet with pathetic stickers.

AND they still play in snowflake tourneys/divisions. Try to step up the competition once in awhile. Even Evergreen played Madlax Capital.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dc express high school kids ...huge

Well Hawks has a kid that turned 15 this week. So there you go.

It is after the New Year, so any one turning 15 is on age. Get over it.

What the heck are you talking about? In what world is 15 on age for 8th grade?

What he is talking about is his child who was heldback or did a prefirst. Somehow he has convinced himself that his heldback/prefirst child is on age! Hilarious

Actually,, what I am talking about is my 14 year-old, non-holdback kid who does not turn 15 until the final quarter of this year. He is one of the older grade based kids, but a younger age based player. He plays and has played with a lot of 2021 boys. Like many of these boys, he gets screwed one way and benefits from the other. stink it up and go play. If you work at the game. Six months is not gonna make or break you.

There should be NO 2022 that turns 15 this school year. Holdback. 1/2 of 8th graders will still be 13 when the school year ends. So you see it's a little more than the 6 months that you say.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dc express high school kids ...huge

Well Hawks has a kid that turned 15 this week. So there you go.

It is after the New Year, so any one turning 15 is on age. Get over it.

What the heck are you talking about? In what world is 15 on age for 8th grade?

What he is talking about is his child who was heldback or did a prefirst. Somehow he has convinced himself that his heldback/prefirst child is on age! Hilarious

Actually,, what I am talking about is my 14 year-old, non-holdback kid who does not turn 15 until the final quarter of this year. He is one of the older grade based kids, but a younger age based player. He plays and has played with a lot of 2021 boys. Like many of these boys, he gets screwed one way and benefits from the other. stink it up and go play. If you work at the game. Six months is not gonna make or break you.

Try 18 months. My kid turns 14 in July. You'll never hear him complain, but you won't convince me that he isn't at a disadvantage going against these kids who are lined up to get their learners permits.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dc express high school kids ...huge

Well Hawks has a kid that turned 15 this week. So there you go.

It is after the New Year, so any one turning 15 is on age. Get over it.

Get over what? A 15 year old 8th grader is comical. Both my children will graduate high school as 17 year olds. And a 17 year old HS graduate is not uncommon. The only way that 15 year old 8th grader competes is because he is playing 13 year olds. As we all know, most boys grow at least 6 inches and gain 30-40 pounds between the ages of 13-15. That's your pathetic advantage. Good luck as your kids stops growing before HS.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dc express high school kids ...huge

Well Hawks has a kid that turned 15 this week. So there you go.

It is after the New Year, so any one turning 15 is on age. Get over it.

Get over what? A 15 year old 8th grader is comical. Both my children will graduate high school as 17 year olds. And a 17 year old HS graduate is not uncommon. The only way that 15 year old 8th grader competes is because he is playing 13 year olds. As we all know, most boys grow at least 6 inches and gain 30-40 pounds between the ages of 13-15. That's your pathetic advantage. Good luck as your kids stops growing before HS.....

Keep crying dad. Nobody in basketball or football cries about it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dc express high school kids ...huge

Well Hawks has a kid that turned 15 this week. So there you go.

It is after the New Year, so any one turning 15 is on age. Get over it.

Get over what? A 15 year old 8th grader is comical. Both my children will graduate high school as 17 year olds. And a 17 year old HS graduate is not uncommon. The only way that 15 year old 8th grader competes is because he is playing 13 year olds. As we all know, most boys grow at least 6 inches and gain 30-40 pounds between the ages of 13-15. That's your pathetic advantage. Good luck as your kids stops growing before HS.....

Keep crying dad. Nobody in basketball or football cries about it.

Not crying, just stating reality which you can't handle. You are in for a rude awakening. Football is aged based until High School. Have no idea about B ball.

Who cares. We will play any team holdbacks or not. Just gets us ready for high school. If you don't like the holdbacks drop out of the elite league.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New Cavs S helmets look butt stupid. Like a Cleveland Browns helmet with pathetic stickers.

AND they still play in snowflake tourneys/divisions. Try to step up the competition once in awhile. Even Evergreen played Madlax Capital.

Marty you really going to take this crap from Evergreen?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid is 16, a Junior in HS and has been playing varsity for 2 years. He would be D1 monster with 14 year olds. LOL It does even out. The hold back kids burn out, get injured or are not the stars anymore and can not handle it. What comes around goes around. Good luck.

Once that holdback hits HS there is no advantage. Unless he is a real standout he will play against much better players at the same graduation year. The "king of the hill" holdbacks we play against some continue to do well but most fall off the radar as their younger counterparts practice harder and longer. The problem in youth sports are the parents thinking their kid is THE kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dc express high school kids ...huge

Well Hawks has a kid that turned 15 this week. So there you go.

It is after the New Year, so any one turning 15 is on age. Get over it.

What the heck are you talking about? In what world is 15 on age for 8th grade?

What he is talking about is his child who was heldback or did a prefirst. Somehow he has convinced himself that his heldback/prefirst child is on age! Hilarious

Actually,, what I am talking about is my 14 year-old, non-holdback kid who does not turn 15 until the final quarter of this year. He is one of the older grade based kids, but a younger age based player. He plays and has played with a lot of 2021 boys. Like many of these boys, he gets screwed one way and benefits from the other. stink it up and go play. If you work at the game. Six months is not gonna make or break you.

You are hilarious. You tell everyone else to stink it up . Then at same time you give your son an advantage other children with SAME EXACT birthday do not get. Playing down. LOL,, You holdback apologists are all the same. Everyone else "stink it up" , " six months is not that much", etc, etc..All the while making sure your YOUTH player is always the oldest. No way you can go by what you tell everyone else to do! Funny stuff

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid is 16, a Junior in HS and has been playing varsity for 2 years. He would be D1 monster with 14 year olds. LOL It does even out. The hold back kids burn out, get injured or are not the stars anymore and can not handle it. What comes around goes around. Good luck.

Once that holdback hits HS there is no advantage. Unless he is a real standout he will play against much better players at the same graduation year. The "king of the hill" holdbacks we play against some continue to do well but most fall off the radar as their younger counterparts practice harder and longer. The problem in youth sports are the parents thinking their kid is THE kid.

The advantage is much less as HS and college are concerned. With many players no advantage at all in HS. But being older does help many. There is a reason why many teams redshirt freshman in college. And if you can have a younger or older player of equal ability, most would take the older.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid is 16, a Junior in HS and has been playing varsity for 2 years. He would be D1 monster with 14 year olds. LOL It does even out. The hold back kids burn out, get injured or are not the stars anymore and can not handle it. What comes around goes around. Good luck.

Once that holdback hits HS there is no advantage. Unless he is a real standout he will play against much better players at the same graduation year. The "king of the hill" holdbacks we play against some continue to do well but most fall off the radar as their younger counterparts practice harder and longer. The problem in youth sports are the parents thinking their kid is THE kid.

The advantage is much less as HS and college are concerned. With many players no advantage at all in HS. But being older does help many. There is a reason why many teams redshirt freshman in college. And if you can have a younger or older player of equal ability, most would take the older.

Daddy's mad his little tyker can't cut it with the big boys. The world is unfair... some kids are smarter than mine, many work a lot harder, life's really tough for little Johnny...I can't gloat about his accomplishments anymore because he's getting squashed like a bug out there. His feelings are hurt and I can't stand to see little Johnny in discomfort.

Advice: Grow a pair and tell you son to man up...stop being a helicopter parent because the cream rises to the top and the crap sinks to the bottom. You're not doing him any favors coddling him.

Well it seems there are no real rules, off the field, in club lacrosse. My son is an August bday, 13 now, in 8th grade and a solid player on a 2022 team, where he is perpetually one of the youngest every year. My plan is to just put him on a 2023 team this spring, maybe even a 2024 team. If anyone asks us about his grade, we just lie and say we plan on downgrading next year for private school. I am 100% sure no coach will bat an eye. I do feel sorry for the unlucky 2023/24 on-age kid that he will replace. This is the wild west, you really can do whatever you want.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well it seems there are no real rules, off the field, in club lacrosse. My son is an August bday, 13 now, in 8th grade and a solid player on a 2022 team, where he is perpetually one of the youngest every year. My plan is to just put him on a 2023 team this spring, maybe even a 2024 team. If anyone asks us about his grade, we just lie and say we plan on downgrading next year for private school. I am 100% sure no coach will bat an eye. I do feel sorry for the unlucky 2023/24 on-age kid that he will replace. This is the wild west, you really can do whatever you want.

You better check the high school eligibility rules (WCAC, MIAA, IAC or for whatever State your kid attends public school) before you venture too far down that path. He may have been born a month too early for a two year holdback. There have been a number of kids whose parents didn't do the due diligence who got to watch a lot of lacrosse their senior year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well it seems there are no real rules, off the field, in club lacrosse. My son is an August bday, 13 now, in 8th grade and a solid player on a 2022 team, where he is perpetually one of the youngest every year. My plan is to just put him on a 2023 team this spring, maybe even a 2024 team. If anyone asks us about his grade, we just lie and say we plan on downgrading next year for private school. I am 100% sure no coach will bat an eye. I do feel sorry for the unlucky 2023/24 on-age kid that he will replace. This is the wild west, you really can do whatever you want.

Exactly. I plan to do the same.For sure two years for my boy tho. Why do only a select few get to always be the oldest in Youth lacrosse. I will give the same advice as the meathead did above

Advice: Grow a pair and tell you son to man up...stop being a helicopter parent because the cream rises to the top and the crap sinks to the bottom. You're not doing him any favors coddling him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well it seems there are no real rules, off the field, in club lacrosse. My son is an August bday, 13 now, in 8th grade and a solid player on a 2022 team, where he is perpetually one of the youngest every year. My plan is to just put him on a 2023 team this spring, maybe even a 2024 team. If anyone asks us about his grade, we just lie and say we plan on downgrading next year for private school. I am 100% sure no coach will bat an eye. I do feel sorry for the unlucky 2023/24 on-age kid that he will replace. This is the wild west, you really can do whatever you want.

You better check the high school eligibility rules (WCAC, MIAA, IAC or for whatever State your kid attends public school) before you venture too far down that path. He may have been born a month too early for a two year holdback. There have been a number of kids whose parents didn't do the due diligence who got to watch a lot of lacrosse their senior year.

Like that is enforced! LOL. I know several that didnt have any trouble doing just that. 19 in summer prior to senior year. Against rules.. Blind eye

YES , please go check all the rules that you already agreed to. In fact double check them. Its clear they were not checked before you agreed to play in the elite level or any level for that matter. NO one likes a holdback but every team has them and they will continue to have them unless RULES are changed. Until then don't play if you feel you are being cheated. If a team is cheating than prove it . Holdbacks are a very small percentage just like the ones who consistently whine and cry that they are being cheated. My son and the rest of his team look forward to the challenge and have embraced any holdback on the team . If your still so bitter about this at this age group than I hope you player doesn't expect to play in High School.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YES , please go check all the rules that you already agreed to. In fact double check them. Its clear they were not checked before you agreed to play in the elite level or any level for that matter. NO one likes a holdback but every team has them and they will continue to have them unless RULES are changed. Until then don't play if you feel you are being cheated. If a team is cheating than prove it . Holdbacks are a very small percentage just like the ones who consistently whine and cry that they are being cheated. My son and the rest of his team look forward to the challenge and have embraced any holdback on the team . If your still so bitter about this at this age group than I hope you player doesn't expect to play in High School.

I think everyone is sucking it up and playing with these rules. I just think most people would like to hear the people be forced to say "I am doing something shady to help my son get ahead" or something along this line. There are tons of laws I think are crap. I follow them but I still bring up they are crap and will sign anything to change these laws if given the chance. The the rule to allow kids 18 months older to play on the same field at the youth level is crap and we will call it crap. Even if our sons are playing on this field and under these rules. We will still call the rule crap.

Understand there is talk of limiting elite to seven teams, all of which will play each other once before playoffs. Hawks, RR, t91, D'acks, DCE, Koopers, Madlax. Others from elite group last year to be pushed to AA, which will either be limited to no more than 10 teams, or have two divisions of seven. Wild card is what to do with Richmond Hawks if they join the league. To be hashed out at competition meeting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Understand there is talk of limiting elite to seven teams, all of which will play each other once before playoffs. Hawks, RR, t91, D'acks, DCE, Koopers, Madlax. Others from elite group last year to be pushed to AA, which will either be limited to no more than 10 teams, or have two divisions of seven. Wild card is what to do with Richmond Hawks if they join the league. To be hashed out at competition meeting.

Where are the Crabs?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Understand there is talk of limiting elite to seven teams, all of which will play each other once before playoffs. Hawks, RR, t91, D'acks, DCE, Koopers, Madlax. Others from elite group last year to be pushed to AA, which will either be limited to no more than 10 teams, or have two divisions of seven. Wild card is what to do with Richmond Hawks if they join the league. To be hashed out at competition meeting.

#fakenews

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Understand there is talk of limiting elite to seven teams, all of which will play each other once before playoffs. Hawks, RR, t91, D'acks, DCE, Koopers, Madlax. Others from elite group last year to be pushed to AA, which will either be limited to no more than 10 teams, or have two divisions of seven. Wild card is what to do with Richmond Hawks if they join the league. To be hashed out at competition meeting.

Where are the Crabs?

Crabs would definitely be in, RM would have a heart attack. Even though they aren't that good, they are better than Dbacks & Madlax. Maybe even RR & T91.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Understand there is talk of limiting elite to seven teams, all of which will play each other once before playoffs. Hawks, RR, t91, D'acks, DCE, Koopers, Madlax. Others from elite group last year to be pushed to AA, which will either be limited to no more than 10 teams, or have two divisions of seven. Wild card is what to do with Richmond Hawks if they join the league. To be hashed out at competition meeting.

Where are the Crabs?

Crabs would definitely be in, RM would have a heart attack. Even though they aren't that good, they are better than Dbacks & Madlax. Maybe even RR & T91.

Agreed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Understand there is talk of limiting elite to seven teams, all of which will play each other once before playoffs. Hawks, RR, t91, D'acks, DCE, Koopers, Madlax. Others from elite group last year to be pushed to AA, which will either be limited to no more than 10 teams, or have two divisions of seven. Wild card is what to do with Richmond Hawks if they join the league. To be hashed out at competition meeting.

Where are the Crabs?

Crabs would definitely be in, RM would have a heart attack. Even though they aren't that good, they are better than Dbacks & Madlax. Maybe even RR & T91.

Now way Crabs are better then any of those teams. Not sold on Dukes/Koopers team either for summer tournaments yes to play in a league not so much. A lot of changes to all teams since last summer. DCE will be the team to beat this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Understand there is talk of limiting elite to seven teams, all of which will play each other once before playoffs. Hawks, RR, t91, D'acks, DCE, Koopers, Madlax. Others from elite group last year to be pushed to AA, which will either be limited to no more than 10 teams, or have two divisions of seven. Wild card is what to do with Richmond Hawks if they join the league. To be hashed out at competition meeting.

Where are the Crabs?

Crabs would definitely be in, RM would have a heart attack. Even though they aren't that good, they are better than Dbacks & Madlax. Maybe even RR & T91.

They finished below all those teams last year. Put the bong down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Understand there is talk of limiting elite to seven teams, all of which will play each other once before playoffs. Hawks, RR, t91, D'acks, DCE, Koopers, Madlax. Others from elite group last year to be pushed to AA, which will either be limited to no more than 10 teams, or have two divisions of seven. Wild card is what to do with Richmond Hawks if they join the league. To be hashed out at competition meeting.

Where are the Crabs?

Crabs would definitely be in, RM would have a heart attack. Even though they aren't that good, they are better than Dbacks & Madlax. Maybe even RR & T91.

Now way Crabs are better then any of those teams. Not sold on Dukes/Koopers team either for summer tournaments yes to play in a league not so much. A lot of changes to all teams since last summer. DCE will be the team to beat this year.

Stop drinking your bong water bathezduhhh dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Understand there is talk of limiting elite to seven teams, all of which will play each other once before playoffs. Hawks, RR, t91, D'acks, DCE, Koopers, Madlax. Others from elite group last year to be pushed to AA, which will either be limited to no more than 10 teams, or have two divisions of seven. Wild card is what to do with Richmond Hawks if they join the league. To be hashed out at competition meeting.

Where are the Crabs?

Crabs would definitely be in, RM would have a heart attack. Even though they aren't that good, they are better than Dbacks & Madlax. Maybe even RR & T91.

The crabs 2022 team has never beaten MadLax. Please check your facts. That crabs team isn't very good, neither is MD91. Richmond is better than both crabs and 91.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Understand there is talk of limiting elite to seven teams, all of which will play each other once before playoffs. Hawks, RR, t91, D'acks, DCE, Koopers, Madlax. Others from elite group last year to be pushed to AA, which will either be limited to no more than 10 teams, or have two divisions of seven. Wild card is what to do with Richmond Hawks if they join the league. To be hashed out at competition meeting.

Where are the Crabs?

Crabs would definitely be in, RM would have a heart attack. Even though they aren't that good, they are better than Dbacks & Madlax. Maybe even RR & T91.

The crabs 2022 team has never beaten MadLax. Please check your facts. That crabs team isn't very good, neither is MD91. Richmond is better than both crabs and 91.

So is FCA and they aren’t on your list either. Crabs has beaten Madlax a couple times before. Granted it was years ago.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Understand there is talk of limiting elite to seven teams, all of which will play each other once before playoffs. Hawks, RR, t91, D'acks, DCE, Koopers, Madlax. Others from elite group last year to be pushed to AA, which will either be limited to no more than 10 teams, or have two divisions of seven. Wild card is what to do with Richmond Hawks if they join the league. To be hashed out at competition meeting.

Where are the Crabs?

Crabs would definitely be in, RM would have a heart attack. Even though they aren't that good, they are better than Dbacks & Madlax. Maybe even RR & T91.

The crabs 2022 team has never beaten MadLax. Please check your facts. That crabs team isn't very good, neither is MD91. Richmond is better than both crabs and 91.

It is a new year with holdbacks coming out in droves. Crabs will be the team to beat.

Richmond Hawks would be a top 3 team in HoCo.

Not sure Richmond would be 3 but they would compete.
Crabs are only good when they can have guest players.
Looking at the list of teams for HOCO I would think that Hawks , FCA and Crabs would all be added into that group. 10 teams would be great top 6 make playoffs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Understand there is talk of limiting elite to seven teams, all of which will play each other once before playoffs. Hawks, RR, t91, D'acks, DCE, Koopers, Madlax. Others from elite group last year to be pushed to AA, which will either be limited to no more than 10 teams, or have two divisions of seven. Wild card is what to do with Richmond Hawks if they join the league. To be hashed out at competition meeting.

Where are the Crabs?

Crabs would definitely be in, RM would have a heart attack. Even though they aren't that good, they are better than Dbacks & Madlax. Maybe even RR & T91.

The crabs 2022 team has never beaten MadLax. Please check your facts. That crabs team isn't very good, neither is MD91. Richmond is better than both crabs and 91.

It is a new year with holdbacks coming out in droves. Crabs will be the team to beat.

Obviously not a Crabs dad and starting trouble. Crabs picked up no kids that are repeating 8th grade this year. In fact, the best kid they added was on the 2023 team last year. I think the recruiting rule change really may have discouraged parents from paying an extra 30k to repeat 8th grade. There just aren't a lot of kids repeating 8th grade this year. Prefirst will continue to happen, but the 8th grade holdback may be a thing of the past.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure Richmond would be 3 but they would compete.
Crabs are only good when they can have guest players.
Looking at the list of teams for HOCO I would think that Hawks , FCA and Crabs would all be added into that group. 10 teams would be great top 6 make playoffs

I agree. 10 teams, two five team divisions. Blind draw as to placement. Top 3 in each division make a playoff with winner of each division getting a bye. Play 6 games. 4 against teams in your division. And another 2 (also selected by a blind draw) in the other division. This would make for great competition and allow this platform to continue to evolve, grow and get better. Ties would be broken on the basis of goal differential and not "head to head" due to the blind draw aspect. Just thoughts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure Richmond would be 3 but they would compete.
Crabs are only good when they can have guest players.
Looking at the list of teams for HOCO I would think that Hawks , FCA and Crabs would all be added into that group. 10 teams would be great top 6 make playoffs

I agree. 10 teams, two five team divisions. Blind draw as to placement. Top 3 in each division make a playoff with winner of each division getting a bye. Play 6 games. 4 against teams in your division. And another 2 (also selected by a blind draw) in the other division. This would make for great competition and allow this platform to continue to evolve, grow and get better. Ties would be broken on the basis of goal differential and not "head to head" due to the blind draw aspect. Just thoughts.

I would say 1 division 10 teams play everyone once and 9 games top 6 make playoffs make 1 and 2 get a bye and 3 to 6 have quarter final

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would say 1 division 10 teams play everyone once and 9 games top 6 make playoffs make 1 and 2 get a bye and 3 to 6 have quarter final

No way there are 9 games. Only played 6 last year. Who cares about HoCo anyway? The kids almost all play 5 days a week at school. Some clubs use the spring to get ready for summer and others take it far more seriously. Too much is made of spring results.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure Richmond would be 3 but they would compete.
Crabs are only good when they can have guest players.
Looking at the list of teams for HOCO I would think that Hawks , FCA and Crabs would all be added into that group. 10 teams would be great top 6 make playoffs

I agree. 10 teams, two five team divisions. Blind draw as to placement. Top 3 in each division make a playoff with winner of each division getting a bye. Play 6 games. 4 against teams in your division. And another 2 (also selected by a blind draw) in the other division. This would make for great competition and allow this platform to continue to evolve, grow and get better. Ties would be broken on the basis of goal differential and not "head to head" due to the blind draw aspect. Just thoughts.

I would say 1 division 10 teams play everyone once and 9 games top 6 make playoffs make 1 and 2 get a bye and 3 to 6 have quarter final

only so many sundays in spring. more than 6 game reg season means midweek games. who wants to travel to columbia on weeknight unless you live in howard co? hoco will only do 4 team playoff unless odd # teams in division. Then they have 4 vs 5 play-in to semi

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would say 1 division 10 teams play everyone once and 9 games top 6 make playoffs make 1 and 2 get a bye and 3 to 6 have quarter final

No way there are 9 games. Only played 6 last year. Who cares about HoCo anyway? The kids almost all play 5 days a week at school. Some clubs use the spring to get ready for summer and others take it far more seriously. Too much is made of spring results.

You clearly have no clue regarding 8th grade lacrosse. Middle school lacrosse is intramural in nature. Everyone plays and most schools don't care about winning and losing. Harco (with the demise of the NPYLL) is now the only game in town. Everyone takes it seriously. Summer tournaments are great but the reality is, folks go on vacation and/or play in showcases. As such, you never know if a team is at full strength. Aside from illnesses and injuries, most teams are playing with a full roster (save the super regional national teams like the Dukes) in the Spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would say 1 division 10 teams play everyone once and 9 games top 6 make playoffs make 1 and 2 get a bye and 3 to 6 have quarter final

No way there are 9 games. Only played 6 last year. Who cares about HoCo anyway? The kids almost all play 5 days a week at school. Some clubs use the spring to get ready for summer and others take it far more seriously. Too much is made of spring results.

You clearly have no clue regarding 8th grade lacrosse. Middle school lacrosse is intramural in nature. Everyone plays and most schools don't care about winning and losing. Harco (with the demise of the NPYLL) is now the only game in town. Everyone takes it seriously. Summer tournaments are great but the reality is, folks go on vacation and/or play in showcases. As such, you never know if a team is at full strength. Aside from illnesses and injuries, most teams are playing with a full roster (save the super regional national teams like the Dukes) in the Spring.

Sorry to break it to you, but not everyone takes it seriously. Families don't go no vacation during Crab Feast and other tournaments like that. And clubs would much rather say they won a tournament then a HoCo game. LI clubs don't even have a spring league. A win over LIE, Igloo, 91, PrimeTime are much more gratifying then playing Hawks, FCA, Crabs, DCE, etc over and over.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would say 1 division 10 teams play everyone once and 9 games top 6 make playoffs make 1 and 2 get a bye and 3 to 6 have quarter final

No way there are 9 games. Only played 6 last year. Who cares about HoCo anyway? The kids almost all play 5 days a week at school. Some clubs use the spring to get ready for summer and others take it far more seriously. Too much is made of spring results.

You clearly have no clue regarding 8th grade lacrosse. Middle school lacrosse is intramural in nature. Everyone plays and most schools don't care about winning and losing. Harco (with the demise of the NPYLL) is now the only game in town. Everyone takes it seriously. Summer tournaments are great but the reality is, folks go on vacation and/or play in showcases. As such, you never know if a team is at full strength. Aside from illnesses and injuries, most teams are playing with a full roster (save the super regional national teams like the Dukes) in the Spring.

showcases? 8th grade? You know the recruiting rules changed?

Is lax Power and PLC moving up to Elite?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is lax Power and PLC moving up to Elite?

PLC is imploding and lost most of their better players. Who the heck is lax power? Do you mean Lax Factory? Lax Factory has played teams in the Elite division in the past and has gotten destroyed. There are no teams that were in AA last year that can compete with the teams in the Elite division. Next Level will move down to AA. Dukes/Koopers will be new team in Elite and Richmond Hawks also if they choose to make the trip. That's it.

Hawks
RR
Crabs
FCA
Dukes/Koopers
91MD
DC Express
Madlax
Diamondbacks
Richmond Hawks(Maybe)

Anyone other than those teams are not going to win a game just as Next Level found out last year and 3d, Storm and Cannons the year before.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is lax Power and PLC moving up to Elite?

Lax Factory

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is lax Power and PLC moving up to Elite?

Lax Factory

Lax Factory lost some of its best talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is lax Power and PLC moving up to Elite?

PLC is imploding and lost most of their better players. Who the heck is lax power? Do you mean Lax Factory? Lax Factory has played teams in the Elite division in the past and has gotten destroyed. There are no teams that were in AA last year that can compete with the teams in the Elite division. Next Level will move down to AA. Dukes/Koopers will be new team in Elite and Richmond Hawks also if they choose to make the trip. That's it.

Hawks
RR
Crabs
FCA
Dukes/Koopers
91MD
DC Express
Madlax
Diamondbacks
Richmond Hawks(Maybe)

Anyone other than those teams are not going to win a game just as Next Level found out last year and 3d, Storm and Cannons the year before.

Just saw the first draft of the elite group, it was sent around via email. Included Hawks, RR, Crabs, FCA, Dukes, & 91MD - all others are in AA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is lax Power and PLC moving up to Elite?

PLC is imploding and lost most of their better players. Who the heck is lax power? Do you mean Lax Factory? Lax Factory has played teams in the Elite division in the past and has gotten destroyed. There are no teams that were in AA last year that can compete with the teams in the Elite division. Next Level will move down to AA. Dukes/Koopers will be new team in Elite and Richmond Hawks also if they choose to make the trip. That's it.

Hawks
RR
Crabs
FCA
Dukes/Koopers
91MD
DC Express
Madlax
Diamondbacks
Richmond Hawks(Maybe)

Anyone other than those teams are not going to win a game just as Next Level found out last year and 3d, Storm and Cannons the year before.

Just saw the first draft of the elite group, it was sent around via email. Included Hawks, RR, Crabs, FCA, Dukes, & 91MD - all others are in AA.

There;s no way DC Express, Madlax and Diamondbacks aren't in Elite

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is lax Power and PLC moving up to Elite?

PLC is imploding and lost most of their better players. Who the heck is lax power? Do you mean Lax Factory? Lax Factory has played teams in the Elite division in the past and has gotten destroyed. There are no teams that were in AA last year that can compete with the teams in the Elite division. Next Level will move down to AA. Dukes/Koopers will be new team in Elite and Richmond Hawks also if they choose to make the trip. That's it.

Hawks
RR
Crabs
FCA
Dukes/Koopers
91MD
DC Express
Madlax
Diamondbacks
Richmond Hawks(Maybe)

Anyone other than those teams are not going to win a game just as Next Level found out last year and 3d, Storm and Cannons the year before.

Just saw the first draft of the elite group, it was sent around via email. Included Hawks, RR, Crabs, FCA, Dukes, & 91MD - all others are in AA.

What no DCE, Madlax?? Copy and paste the email for us

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is lax Power and PLC moving up to Elite?

PLC is imploding and lost most of their better players. Who the heck is lax power? Do you mean Lax Factory? Lax Factory has played teams in the Elite division in the past and has gotten destroyed. There are no teams that were in AA last year that can compete with the teams in the Elite division. Next Level will move down to AA. Dukes/Koopers will be new team in Elite and Richmond Hawks also if they choose to make the trip. That's it.

Hawks
RR
Crabs
FCA
Dukes/Koopers
91MD
DC Express
Madlax
Diamondbacks
Richmond Hawks(Maybe)

Anyone other than those teams are not going to win a game just as Next Level found out last year and 3d, Storm and Cannons the year before.

Just saw the first draft of the elite group, it was sent around via email. Included Hawks, RR, Crabs, FCA, Dukes, & 91MD - all others are in AA.

This would be BS as DC Express is one of the best teams out there.
Mad lax is better than Crabs or FCA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is lax Power and PLC moving up to Elite?

PLC is imploding and lost most of their better players. Who the heck is lax power? Do you mean Lax Factory? Lax Factory has played teams in the Elite division in the past and has gotten destroyed. There are no teams that were in AA last year that can compete with the teams in the Elite division. Next Level will move down to AA. Dukes/Koopers will be new team in Elite and Richmond Hawks also if they choose to make the trip. That's it.

Hawks
RR
Crabs
FCA
Dukes/Koopers
91MD
DC Express
Madlax
Diamondbacks
Richmond Hawks(Maybe)

Anyone other than those teams are not going to win a game just as Next Level found out last year and 3d, Storm and Cannons the year before.

Just saw the first draft of the elite group, it was sent around via email. Included Hawks, RR, Crabs, FCA, Dukes, & 91MD - all others are in AA.

This would be BS as DC Express is one of the best teams out there.
Mad lax is better than Crabs or FCA.

Agree with DCE being one of the best teams out there..
Don't agree with MadLax statement...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is lax Power and PLC moving up to Elite?

PLC is imploding and lost most of their better players. Who the heck is lax power? Do you mean Lax Factory? Lax Factory has played teams in the Elite division in the past and has gotten destroyed. There are no teams that were in AA last year that can compete with the teams in the Elite division. Next Level will move down to AA. Dukes/Koopers will be new team in Elite and Richmond Hawks also if they choose to make the trip. That's it.

Hawks
RR
Crabs
FCA
Dukes/Koopers
91MD
DC Express
Madlax
Diamondbacks
Richmond Hawks(Maybe)

Anyone other than those teams are not going to win a game just as Next Level found out last year and 3d, Storm and Cannons the year before.

Just saw the first draft of the elite group, it was sent around via email. Included Hawks, RR, Crabs, FCA, Dukes, & 91MD - all others are in AA.

This would be BS as DC Express is one of the best teams out there.
Mad lax is better than Crabs or FCA.

Definitely true, I saw the email also. It is just a draft so it will probably change. Though I doubt that API or Richmond will move above AA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would say 1 division 10 teams play everyone once and 9 games top 6 make playoffs make 1 and 2 get a bye and 3 to 6 have quarter final

No way there are 9 games. Only played 6 last year. Who cares about HoCo anyway? The kids almost all play 5 days a week at school. Some clubs use the spring to get ready for summer and others take it far more seriously. Too much is made of spring results.

You clearly have no clue regarding 8th grade lacrosse. Middle school lacrosse is intramural in nature. Everyone plays and most schools don't care about winning and losing. Harco (with the demise of the NPYLL) is now the only game in town. Everyone takes it seriously. Summer tournaments are great but the reality is, folks go on vacation and/or play in showcases. As such, you never know if a team is at full strength. Aside from illnesses and injuries, most teams are playing with a full roster (save the super regional national teams like the Dukes) in the Spring.

Sorry to break it to you, but not everyone takes it seriously. Families don't go no vacation during Crab Feast and other tournaments like that. And clubs would much rather say they won a tournament then a HoCo game. LI clubs don't even have a spring league. A win over LIE, Igloo, 91, PrimeTime are much more gratifying then playing Hawks, FCA, Crabs, DCE, etc over and over.

You're right, not everyone does. Most club coaches (for the top club programs) ask that families hold off on vacations until late July or early August. That's a reality among the top clubs. No, middle school intramural games really don't matter and often reinforce bad habits. Of course beating top OCC opponents matter but not any more than beating a strong local rival.

The reality is 8th grade lacrosse really matters developmentally. Let me tell you why...kids are starting to hit or come out of puberty. You can tell by the 10th grade for 90% of the boys (there are always outliers) who's D1 material or not. How much a boy develops in 8th grades directly impacts whether he makes a F/S, JV or Varsity team as a freshman. Why do you think the top local high school coaches are out at the top 8th grade club games? Because it doesn't matter? Where a boy is slotted in 9th grade often has a direct impact as to his progression. Am I saying an obvious superstar can't leapfrog a bunch of laxers...of course they can but all else being equal higher level generally means better training and competition. Keep deluding yourself that nothing really matters....its like when a coach tells you don't worry because you're not being evaluated...you're always being evaluated.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would say 1 division 10 teams play everyone once and 9 games top 6 make playoffs make 1 and 2 get a bye and 3 to 6 have quarter final

No way there are 9 games. Only played 6 last year. Who cares about HoCo anyway? The kids almost all play 5 days a week at school. Some clubs use the spring to get ready for summer and others take it far more seriously. Too much is made of spring results.

You clearly have no clue regarding 8th grade lacrosse. Middle school lacrosse is intramural in nature. Everyone plays and most schools don't care about winning and losing. Harco (with the demise of the NPYLL) is now the only game in town. Everyone takes it seriously. Summer tournaments are great but the reality is, folks go on vacation and/or play in showcases. As such, you never know if a team is at full strength. Aside from illnesses and injuries, most teams are playing with a full roster (save the super regional national teams like the Dukes) in the Spring.

Sorry to break it to you, but not everyone takes it seriously. Families don't go no vacation during Crab Feast and other tournaments like that. And clubs would much rather say they won a tournament then a HoCo game. LI clubs don't even have a spring league. A win over LIE, Igloo, 91, PrimeTime are much more gratifying then playing Hawks, FCA, Crabs, DCE, etc over and over.

You're right, not everyone does. Most club coaches (for the top club programs) ask that families hold off on vacations until late July or early August. That's a reality among the top clubs. No, middle school intramural games really don't matter and often reinforce bad habits. Of course beating top OCC opponents matter but not any more than beating a strong local rival.

The reality is 8th grade lacrosse really matters developmentally. Let me tell you why...kids are starting to hit or come out of puberty. You can tell by the 10th grade for 90% of the boys (there are always outliers) who's D1 material or not. How much a boy develops in 8th grades directly impacts whether he makes a F/S, JV or Varsity team as a freshman. Why do you think the top local high school coaches are out at the top 8th grade club games? Because it doesn't matter? Where a boy is slotted in 9th grade often has a direct impact as to his progression. Am I saying an obvious superstar can't leapfrog a bunch of laxers...of course they can but all else being equal higher level generally means better training and competition. Keep deluding yourself that nothing really matters....its like when a coach tells you don't worry because you're not being evaluated...you're always being evaluated.

If you are not at the top of your game and and on a top club at 8th grade you chances are less than 10-20% of going D1. Do some make it. Yes, but that is the minority. Keep saying it doesnt matter and you have time.

This would be BS as DC Express is one of the best teams out there.
Mad lax is better than Crabs or FCA.[/quote]

Agree with DCE being one of the best teams out there..
Don't agree with MadLax statement...[/quote

Madlax beat both crabs and FCA last spring. No way they aren't elite. Richmond Hawks should be too. They are better than both crabs and FCA too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This would be BS as DC Express is one of the best teams out there.
Mad lax is better than Crabs or FCA.

Agree with DCE being one of the best teams out there..
Don't agree with MadLax statement...[/quote

Madlax beat both crabs and FCA last spring. No way they aren't elite. Richmond Hawks should be too. They are better than both crabs and FCA too. [/quote]
Madlax handled Team 91 MD in the fall. They definitely are an elite team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This would be BS as DC Express is one of the best teams out there.
Mad lax is better than Crabs or FCA.

Agree with DCE being one of the best teams out there..
Don't agree with MadLax statement...[/quote

Madlax beat both crabs and FCA last spring. No way they aren't elite. Richmond Hawks should be too. They are better than both crabs and FCA too.

Madlax handled Team 91 MD in the fall. They definitely are an elite team.[/quote]
Everyone just wants Madlax to be bad so much. They will always be elite they have lasted 20 years. They might not be the best of the best but the crazy owner will find a way to make his top team elite. It might take him time, it might take him getting kids from a boarding school but he will get them to a elite level team by high school

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This would be BS as DC Express is one of the best teams out there.
Mad lax is better than Crabs or FCA.

Agree with DCE being one of the best teams out there..
Don't agree with MadLax statement...[/quote

Madlax beat both crabs and FCA last spring. No way they aren't elite. Richmond Hawks should be too. They are better than both crabs and FCA too.

Madlax handled Team 91 MD in the fall. They definitely are an elite team.

Everyone just wants Madlax to be bad so much. They will always be elite they have lasted 20 years. They might not be the best of the best but the crazy owner will find a way to make his top team elite. It might take him time, it might take him getting kids from a boarding school but he will get them to a elite level team by high school[/quote]

Who cares what happened last year? New year, new kids... MadLax 2022 kids hit puberty 2 years ago, other teams kids just hitting puberty now. You never know what will happen.

Who will win the Super Bowl next week ??????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dc express high school kids ...huge

Well Hawks has a kid that turned 15 this week. So there you go.

It is after the New Year, so any one turning 15 is on age. Get over it.

Get over what? A 15 year old 8th grader is comical. Both my children will graduate high school as 17 year olds. And a 17 year old HS graduate is not uncommon. The only way that 15 year old 8th grader competes is because he is playing 13 year olds. As we all know, most boys grow at least 6 inches and gain 30-40 pounds between the ages of 13-15. That's your pathetic advantage. Good luck as your kids stops growing before HS.....

Keep crying dad. Nobody in basketball or football cries about it.

Not crying, just stating reality which you can't handle. You are in for a rude awakening. Football is aged based until High School. Have no idea about B ball.

Must be Democrats. Level playing field for everyone except them. Holdbacks stay away from the military already too many snowflakes. Please don't shoot you are a year older than me and that's not fair.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This would be BS as DC Express is one of the best teams out there.
Mad lax is better than Crabs or FCA.

Agree with DCE being one of the best teams out there..
Don't agree with MadLax statement...[/quote

Madlax beat both crabs and FCA last spring. No way they aren't elite. Richmond Hawks should be too. They are better than both crabs and FCA too.

Madlax handled Team 91 MD in the fall. They definitely are an elite team.

Everyone just wants Madlax to be bad so much. They will always be elite they have lasted 20 years. They might not be the best of the best but the crazy owner will find a way to make his top team elite. It might take him time, it might take him getting kids from a boarding school but he will get them to a elite level team by high school

Who cares what happened last year? New year, new kids... MadLax 2022 kids hit puberty 2 years ago, other teams kids just hitting puberty now. You never know what will happen.

Who will win the Super Bowl next week ?????? [/quote]
Madlax beat team 91 MD/TX handily less than 3 months ago. Yes, technically last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would say 1 division 10 teams play everyone once and 9 games top 6 make playoffs make 1 and 2 get a bye and 3 to 6 have quarter final

No way there are 9 games. Only played 6 last year. Who cares about HoCo anyway? The kids almost all play 5 days a week at school. Some clubs use the spring to get ready for summer and others take it far more seriously. Too much is made of spring results.

You clearly have no clue regarding 8th grade lacrosse. Middle school lacrosse is intramural in nature. Everyone plays and most schools don't care about winning and losing. Harco (with the demise of the NPYLL) is now the only game in town. Everyone takes it seriously. Summer tournaments are great but the reality is, folks go on vacation and/or play in showcases. As such, you never know if a team is at full strength. Aside from illnesses and injuries, most teams are playing with a full roster (save the super regional national teams like the Dukes) in the Spring.

Sorry to break it to you, but not everyone takes it seriously. Families don't go no vacation during Crab Feast and other tournaments like that. And clubs would much rather say they won a tournament then a HoCo game. LI clubs don't even have a spring league. A win over LIE, Igloo, 91, PrimeTime are much more gratifying then playing Hawks, FCA, Crabs, DCE, etc over and over.

You're right, not everyone does. Most club coaches (for the top club programs) ask that families hold off on vacations until late July or early August. That's a reality among the top clubs. No, middle school intramural games really don't matter and often reinforce bad habits. Of course beating top OCC opponents matter but not any more than beating a strong local rival.

The reality is 8th grade lacrosse really matters developmentally. Let me tell you why...kids are starting to hit or come out of puberty. You can tell by the 10th grade for 90% of the boys (there are always outliers) who's D1 material or not. How much a boy develops in 8th grades directly impacts whether he makes a F/S, JV or Varsity team as a freshman. Why do you think the top local high school coaches are out at the top 8th grade club games? Because it doesn't matter? Where a boy is slotted in 9th grade often has a direct impact as to his progression. Am I saying an obvious superstar can't leapfrog a bunch of laxers...of course they can but all else being equal higher level generally means better training and competition. Keep deluding yourself that nothing really matters....its like when a coach tells you don't worry because you're not being evaluated...you're always being evaluated.

If you are not at the top of your game and and on a top club at 8th grade you chances are less than 10-20% of going D1. Do some make it. Yes, but that is the minority. Keep saying it doesnt matter and you have time.

I didn't start playing until my Jr year and ended up on the Cuse National champ team. All players are different and with new clubs exploding out in the West thinking these Md/Va top clubs are the only way into DI you are dead wrong. Show us these stats you speak of - or did you just make them up on the spot to make it sound like you know what you are talking about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Understand there is talk of limiting elite to seven teams, all of which will play each other once before playoffs. Hawks, RR, t91, D'acks, DCE, Koopers, Madlax. Others from elite group last year to be pushed to AA, which will either be limited to no more than 10 teams, or have two divisions of seven. Wild card is what to do with Richmond Hawks if they join the league. To be hashed out at competition meeting.

Where are the Crabs?

Crabs would definitely be in, RM would have a heart attack. Even though they aren't that good, they are better than Dbacks & Madlax. Maybe even RR & T91.

They finished below all those teams last year. Put the bong down.

If Crabs make it Evergreen should be considered as a lower top tiered team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This would be BS as DC Express is one of the best teams out there.
Mad lax is better than Crabs or FCA.

Agree with DCE being one of the best teams out there..
Don't agree with MadLax statement...[/quote

Madlax beat both crabs and FCA last spring. No way they aren't elite. Richmond Hawks should be too. They are better than both crabs and FCA too.

Madlax handled Team 91 MD in the fall. They definitely are an elite team.

Everyone just wants Madlax to be bad so much. They will always be elite they have lasted 20 years. They might not be the best of the best but the crazy owner will find a way to make his top team elite. It might take him time, it might take him getting kids from a boarding school but he will get them to a elite level team by high school

Who cares what happened last year? New year, new kids... MadLax 2022 kids hit puberty 2 years ago, other teams kids just hitting puberty now. You never know what will happen.

Who will win the Super Bowl next week ?????? [/quote]

Da Nile is a river in Egypt. Talent is spread out and the Madlaxs and Crabs of the world no longer have a monopoly. As a parent, I'm looking for a great coaching staff, very competitive roster, strong spring and fall schedule and a great developmental philosophy. Every age group is different. Be a discerning consumer. As an example, the current HC of Utah and former assistant at UNC was a club HC at the Breakers. He put together a phenomenal team and was by far the best squad in his age group. A lot of the boys on that team went high D1. The lesson, do your homework.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This would be BS as DC Express is one of the best teams out there.
Mad lax is better than Crabs or FCA.

Agree with DCE being one of the best teams out there..
Don't agree with MadLax statement...[/quote

Madlax beat both crabs and FCA last spring. No way they aren't elite. Richmond Hawks should be too. They are better than both crabs and FCA too.

Madlax handled Team 91 MD in the fall. They definitely are an elite team.

Everyone just wants Madlax to be bad so much. They will always be elite they have lasted 20 years. They might not be the best of the best but the crazy owner will find a way to make his top team elite. It might take him time, it might take him getting kids from a boarding school but he will get them to a elite level team by high school

Who cares what happened last year? New year, new kids... MadLax 2022 kids hit puberty 2 years ago, other teams kids just hitting puberty now. You never know what will happen.

Who will win the Super Bowl next week ??????

Da Nile is a river in Egypt. Talent is spread out and the Madlaxs and Crabs of the world no longer have a monopoly. As a parent, I'm looking for a great coaching staff, very competitive roster, strong spring and fall schedule and a great developmental philosophy. Every age group is different. Be a discerning consumer. As an example, the current HC of Utah and former assistant at UNC was a club HC at the Breakers. He put together a phenomenal team and was by far the best squad in his age group. A lot of the boys on that team went high D1. The lesson, do your homework.
[/quote]

I agree 100%, same club can have completely different outcomes between teams. I always look for coaching and athletic kids who are willing to work. Couldn't care less what the name on the shirt reads.

Sorry to break it to you, but not everyone takes it seriously. Families don't go no vacation during Crab Feast and other tournaments like that. And clubs would much rather say they won a tournament then a HoCo game. LI clubs don't even have a spring league. A win over LIE, Igloo, 91, PrimeTime are much more gratifying then playing Hawks, FCA, Crabs, DCE, etc over and over.[/quote]

You're right, not everyone does. Most club coaches (for the top club programs) ask that families hold off on vacations until late July or early August. That's a reality among the top clubs. No, middle school intramural games really don't matter and often reinforce bad habits. Of course beating top OCC opponents matter but not any more than beating a strong local rival.

The reality is 8th grade lacrosse really matters developmentally. Let me tell you why...kids are starting to hit or come out of puberty. You can tell by the 10th grade for 90% of the boys (there are always outliers) who's D1 material or not. How much a boy develops in 8th grades directly impacts whether he makes a F/S, JV or Varsity team as a freshman. Why do you think the top local high school coaches are out at the top 8th grade club games? Because it doesn't matter? Where a boy is slotted in 9th grade often has a direct impact as to his progression. Am I saying an obvious superstar can't leapfrog a bunch of laxers...of course they can but all else being equal higher level generally means better training and competition. Keep deluding yourself that nothing really matters....its like when a coach tells you don't worry because you're not being evaluated...you're always being evaluated. [/quote]

If you are not at the top of your game and and on a top club at 8th grade you chances are less than 10-20% of going D1. Do some make it. Yes, but that is the minority. Keep saying it doesnt matter and you have time.
[/quote]

I didn't start playing until my Jr year and ended up on the Cuse National champ team. All players are different and with new clubs exploding out in the West thinking these Md/Va top clubs are the only way into DI you are dead wrong. Show us these stats you speak of - or did you just make them up on the spot to make it sound like you know what you are talking about. [/quote]

What he is really trying to convince us it that his kid being on a top club in 8th grade means the kid has a 80%-90% chance of being D1. He's not counting on blokes like yourself that come out of nowhere. Or the kids on Tx or Fl that aren't quite D1 football athletes but are far superior athletically to the average AA 8th grader player Hoco this spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry to break it to you, but not everyone takes it seriously. Families don't go no vacation during Crab Feast and other tournaments like that. And clubs would much rather say they won a tournament then a HoCo game. LI clubs don't even have a spring league. A win over LIE, Igloo, 91, PrimeTime are much more gratifying then playing Hawks, FCA, Crabs, DCE, etc over and over.

You're right, not everyone does. Most club coaches (for the top club programs) ask that families hold off on vacations until late July or early August. That's a reality among the top clubs. No, middle school intramural games really don't matter and often reinforce bad habits. Of course beating top OCC opponents matter but not any more than beating a strong local rival.

The reality is 8th grade lacrosse really matters developmentally. Let me tell you why...kids are starting to hit or come out of puberty. You can tell by the 10th grade for 90% of the boys (there are always outliers) who's D1 material or not. How much a boy develops in 8th grades directly impacts whether he makes a F/S, JV or Varsity team as a freshman. Why do you think the top local high school coaches are out at the top 8th grade club games? Because it doesn't matter? Where a boy is slotted in 9th grade often has a direct impact as to his progression. Am I saying an obvious superstar can't leapfrog a bunch of laxers...of course they can but all else being equal higher level generally means better training and competition. Keep deluding yourself that nothing really matters....its like when a coach tells you don't worry because you're not being evaluated...you're always being evaluated. [/quote]

If you are not at the top of your game and and on a top club at 8th grade you chances are less than 10-20% of going D1. Do some make it. Yes, but that is the minority. Keep saying it doesnt matter and you have time.
[/quote]

I didn't start playing until my Jr year and ended up on the Cuse National champ team. All players are different and with new clubs exploding out in the West thinking these Md/Va top clubs are the only way into DI you are dead wrong. Show us these stats you speak of - or did you just make them up on the spot to make it sound like you know what you are talking about. [/quote]

What he is really trying to convince us it that his kid being on a top club in 8th grade means the kid has a 80%-90% chance of being D1. He's not counting on blokes like yourself that come out of nowhere. Or the kids on Tx or Fl that aren't quite D1 football athletes but are far superior athletically to the average AA 8th grader player Hoco this spring.
[/quote]
I am not the person who authored the original post and jumping in here. If you are curious check out recruiting rundown and it lists by club. Most players (80-90%) come from a top club team. They may not be HOCO some are west coast but with the evolution of the sport, I disagree that kids that just can't cut it in football will be D1 recruits based on superior athletics. They are different sports. Some football players are 6'6" 300 and could not get on the field in a top level lacrosse game. "Superior Athlete" is overrated in this sport and not what coaches look for in my opinion. I played both sports and like both sports but they are different. I would take a "gamer" or a kid with a high lax IQ over just an Athletic kid. This is not an absolute science but most top D1 lacrosse recruits are also good to great athletes. There will be kids starting JR year and still make a D1 program sure but that will also happen in football and will be an outlier. It does not matter if a player's team wins championships but the way to develop high lax IQ is to play top teams. Sometimes a outstanding player shows better to a coach on a middle of the road team playing top competition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Da Nile is a river in Egypt. Talent is spread out and the Madlaxs and Crabs of the world no longer have a monopoly. As a parent, I'm looking for a great coaching staff, very competitive roster, strong spring and fall schedule and a great developmental philosophy. Every age group is different. Be a discerning consumer. As an example, the current HC of Utah and former assistant at UNC was a club HC at the Breakers. He put together a phenomenal team and was by far the best squad in his age group. A lot of the boys on that team went high D1. The lesson, do your homework.

I'm curious, since you did your homework, what is the developmental philosophy of the club that you associate with and how does it differ from that of other clubs?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry to break it to you, but not everyone takes it seriously. Families don't go no vacation during Crab Feast and other tournaments like that. And clubs would much rather say they won a tournament then a HoCo game. LI clubs don't even have a spring league. A win over LIE, Igloo, 91, PrimeTime are much more gratifying then playing Hawks, FCA, Crabs, DCE, etc over and over.

You're right, not everyone does. Most club coaches (for the top club programs) ask that families hold off on vacations until late July or early August. That's a reality among the top clubs. No, middle school intramural games really don't matter and often reinforce bad habits. Of course beating top OCC opponents matter but not any more than beating a strong local rival.

The reality is 8th grade lacrosse really matters developmentally. Let me tell you why...kids are starting to hit or come out of puberty. You can tell by the 10th grade for 90% of the boys (there are always outliers) who's D1 material or not. How much a boy develops in 8th grades directly impacts whether he makes a F/S, JV or Varsity team as a freshman. Why do you think the top local high school coaches are out at the top 8th grade club games? Because it doesn't matter? Where a boy is slotted in 9th grade often has a direct impact as to his progression. Am I saying an obvious superstar can't leapfrog a bunch of laxers...of course they can but all else being equal higher level generally means better training and competition. Keep deluding yourself that nothing really matters....its like when a coach tells you don't worry because you're not being evaluated...you're always being evaluated. [/quote]

If you are not at the top of your game and and on a top club at 8th grade you chances are less than 10-20% of going D1. Do some make it. Yes, but that is the minority. Keep saying it doesnt matter and you have time.
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I didn't start playing until my Jr year and ended up on the Cuse National champ team. All players are different and with new clubs exploding out in the West thinking these Md/Va top clubs are the only way into DI you are dead wrong. Show us these stats you speak of - or did you just make them up on the spot to make it sound like you know what you are talking about. [/quote]

What he is really trying to convince us it that his kid being on a top club in 8th grade means the kid has a 80%-90% chance of being D1. He's not counting on blokes like yourself that come out of nowhere. Or the kids on Tx or Fl that aren't quite D1 football athletes but are far superior athletically to the average AA 8th grader player Hoco this spring.
[/quote]

Clearly reading comprehension is not your strong suit. A high percentage of MD D1 recruits not 80% of the kids playing HOCO. Do the analysis (the data is out on laxpower recruiting website) and show me.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry to break it to you, but not everyone takes it seriously. Families don't go no vacation during Crab Feast and other tournaments like that. And clubs would much rather say they won a tournament then a HoCo game. LI clubs don't even have a spring league. A win over LIE, Igloo, 91, PrimeTime are much more gratifying then playing Hawks, FCA, Crabs, DCE, etc over and over.

You're right, not everyone does. Most club coaches (for the top club programs) ask that families hold off on vacations until late July or early August. That's a reality among the top clubs. No, middle school intramural games really don't matter and often reinforce bad habits. Of course beating top OCC opponents matter but not any more than beating a strong local rival.

The reality is 8th grade lacrosse really matters developmentally. Let me tell you why...kids are starting to hit or come out of puberty. You can tell by the 10th grade for 90% of the boys (there are always outliers) who's D1 material or not. How much a boy develops in 8th grades directly impacts whether he makes a F/S, JV or Varsity team as a freshman. Why do you think the top local high school coaches are out at the top 8th grade club games? Because it doesn't matter? Where a boy is slotted in 9th grade often has a direct impact as to his progression. Am I saying an obvious superstar can't leapfrog a bunch of laxers...of course they can but all else being equal higher level generally means better training and competition. Keep deluding yourself that nothing really matters....its like when a coach tells you don't worry because you're not being evaluated...you're always being evaluated. [/quote]

If you are not at the top of your game and and on a top club at 8th grade you chances are less than 10-20% of going D1. Do some make it. Yes, but that is the minority. Keep saying it doesnt matter and you have time.
[/quote]

I didn't start playing until my Jr year and ended up on the Cuse National champ team. All players are different and with new clubs exploding out in the West thinking these Md/Va top clubs are the only way into DI you are dead wrong. Show us these stats you speak of - or did you just make them up on the spot to make it sound like you know what you are talking about. [/quote]

What he is really trying to convince us it that his kid being on a top club in 8th grade means the kid has a 80%-90% chance of being D1. He's not counting on blokes like yourself that come out of nowhere. Or the kids on Tx or Fl that aren't quite D1 football athletes but are far superior athletically to the average AA 8th grader player Hoco this spring.
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Nor apparently does he care or give consideration to the fact that a great academic pairing for his son's athletic abilities might be at a DII or DIII school. Academics seem to ALMOST be a forgotten consideration on this board. Playing lacrosse, though tons of fun, and MIGHT give you an assist to get into a college/university that you might otherwise be a marginal consideration for, will not pay the bills! You can expect you little D1 millennial to keep up residence in the family home after the conclusion of his "successful" D1 career at say "Canisius" by way of example. No knock on Canisius, but it is no Carnegie Mellon -- oh wait, Carnegie Mellon though a top rated engineering and computer sciences school doesn't even field a men's lacrosse team. Sorry son, they might train you to put the next man on mars, find a cure for cancer, or provide the data administration to the world's most dynamic companies -- but MY dream (I mean YOUR dream) is to play lacrosse at a D1 school! Never forget that, son.

"MadLax 2022 kids hit puberty 2 years ago, other teams kids just hitting puberty now. You never know what will happen."

Your comments prove that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about^^^^. If you actually had a clue, you would know that the MadLax 2022 team is by far one of the smallest and least physically mature when compared to any of the Elite HOCO teams. The reason is because they only had 2 kids last spring who actually hit puberty, meanwhile the opposing teams (FCA, 91, Crabs, RR, Hawks, BLC, etc...) were much more physically mature.

That MadLax team will only get better as they mature physically, unlike many of the teams they're playing who have already hit puberty.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"MadLax 2022 kids hit puberty 2 years ago, other teams kids just hitting puberty now. You never know what will happen."

Your comments prove that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about^^^^. If you actually had a clue, you would know that the MadLax 2022 team is by far one of the smallest and least physically mature when compared to any of the Elite HOCO teams. The reason is because they only had 2 kids last spring who actually hit puberty, meanwhile the opposing teams (FCA, 91, Crabs, RR, Hawks, BLC, etc...) were much more physically mature.

That MadLax team will only get better as they mature physically, unlike many of the teams they're playing who have already hit puberty.

While i agree that Madlax is one of the smaller teams, not sure how you know that exactly 2 kids had hit puberty as of last spring. Seems a little strange.

Simply a guess based one of my kids being on that team. You can tell based on the physical look of a kids facial appearance and their leg development.

Don't insinuate anything nefarious.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Simply a guess based one of my kids being on that team. You can tell based on the physical look of a kids facial appearance and their leg development.

Don't insinuate anything nefarious.

This Madlax dad is a total weirdo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Simply a guess based one of my kids being on that team. You can tell based on the physical look of a kids facial appearance and their leg development.

Don't insinuate anything nefarious.

Yeah that didn't help

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry to break it to you, but not everyone takes it seriously. Families don't go no vacation during Crab Feast and other tournaments like that. And clubs would much rather say they won a tournament then a HoCo game. LI clubs don't even have a spring league. A win over LIE, Igloo, 91, PrimeTime are much more gratifying then playing Hawks, FCA, Crabs, DCE, etc over and over.

You're right, not everyone does. Most club coaches (for the top club programs) ask that families hold off on vacations until late July or early August. That's a reality among the top clubs. No, middle school intramural games really don't matter and often reinforce bad habits. Of course beating top OCC opponents matter but not any more than beating a strong local rival.

The reality is 8th grade lacrosse really matters developmentally. Let me tell you why...kids are starting to hit or come out of puberty. You can tell by the 10th grade for 90% of the boys (there are always outliers) who's D1 material or not. How much a boy develops in 8th grades directly impacts whether he makes a F/S, JV or Varsity team as a freshman. Why do you think the top local high school coaches are out at the top 8th grade club games? Because it doesn't matter? Where a boy is slotted in 9th grade often has a direct impact as to his progression. Am I saying an obvious superstar can't leapfrog a bunch of laxers...of course they can but all else being equal higher level generally means better training and competition. Keep deluding yourself that nothing really matters....its like when a coach tells you don't worry because you're not being evaluated...you're always being evaluated.

If you are not at the top of your game and and on a top club at 8th grade you chances are less than 10-20% of going D1. Do some make it. Yes, but that is the minority. Keep saying it doesnt matter and you have time.

I didn't start playing until my Jr year and ended up on the Cuse National champ team. All players are different and with new clubs exploding out in the West thinking these Md/Va top clubs are the only way into DI you are dead wrong. Show us these stats you speak of - or did you just make them up on the spot to make it sound like you know what you are talking about.

What he is really trying to convince us it that his kid being on a top club in 8th grade means the kid has a 80%-90% chance of being D1. He's not counting on blokes like yourself that come out of nowhere. Or the kids on Tx or Fl that aren't quite D1 football athletes but are far superior athletically to the average AA 8th grader player Hoco this spring.

Nor apparently does he care or give consideration to the fact that a great academic pairing for his son's athletic abilities might be at a DII or DIII school. Academics seem to ALMOST be a forgotten consideration on this board. Playing lacrosse, though tons of fun, and MIGHT give you an assist to get into a college/university that you might otherwise be a marginal consideration for, will not pay the bills! You can expect you little D1 millennial to keep up residence in the family home after the conclusion of his "successful" D1 career at say "Canisius" by way of example. No knock on Canisius, but it is no Carnegie Mellon -- oh wait, Carnegie Mellon though a top rated engineering and computer sciences school doesn't even field a men's lacrosse team. Sorry son, they might train you to put the next man on mars, find a cure for cancer, or provide the data administration to the world's most dynamic companies -- but MY dream (I mean YOUR dream) is to play lacrosse at a D1 school! Never forget that, son.

Most of the people here WOULD rather watch their son play at Canisius than go to Carnegie Mellon. We dont send our boys to prospect camps, spend thousands upon thousands on Club and equipment to throw it all away for some non lacrosse school. Might want to send your kid to Stem camp and join the Tech forum instead of hanging around here.

Many of the kids going to showcases and Canisius will one day be working for those that go to STEM Camp and Carnegie Mellon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would say 1 division 10 teams play everyone once and 9 games top 6 make playoffs make 1 and 2 get a bye and 3 to 6 have quarter final

No way there are 9 games. Only played 6 last year. Who cares about HoCo anyway? The kids almost all play 5 days a week at school. Some clubs use the spring to get ready for summer and others take it far more seriously. Too much is made of spring results.

You clearly have no clue regarding 8th grade lacrosse. Middle school lacrosse is intramural in nature. Everyone plays and most schools don't care about winning and losing. Harco (with the demise of the NPYLL) is now the only game in town. Everyone takes it seriously. Summer tournaments are great but the reality is, folks go on vacation and/or play in showcases. As such, you never know if a team is at full strength. Aside from illnesses and injuries, most teams are playing with a full roster (save the super regional national teams like the Dukes) in the Spring.

Sorry to break it to you, but not everyone takes it seriously. Families don't go no vacation during Crab Feast and other tournaments like that. And clubs would much rather say they won a tournament then a HoCo game. LI clubs don't even have a spring league. A win over LIE, Igloo, 91, PrimeTime are much more gratifying then playing Hawks, FCA, Crabs, DCE, etc over and over.

You're right, not everyone does. Most club coaches (for the top club programs) ask that families hold off on vacations until late July or early August. That's a reality among the top clubs. No, middle school intramural games really don't matter and often reinforce bad habits. Of course beating top OCC opponents matter but not any more than beating a strong local rival.

The reality is 8th grade lacrosse really matters developmentally. Let me tell you why...kids are starting to hit or come out of puberty. You can tell by the 10th grade for 90% of the boys (there are always outliers) who's D1 material or not. How much a boy develops in 8th grades directly impacts whether he makes a F/S, JV or Varsity team as a freshman. Why do you think the top local high school coaches are out at the top 8th grade club games? Because it doesn't matter? Where a boy is slotted in 9th grade often has a direct impact as to his progression. Am I saying an obvious superstar can't leapfrog a bunch of laxers...of course they can but all else being equal higher level generally means better training and competition. Keep deluding yourself that nothing really matters....its like when a coach tells you don't worry because you're not being evaluated...you're always being evaluated.

Wouldn't top high school coaches pay more attention to the 7th grade clubs than the 8th considering by the 8th grade spring season most kids have already applied and received acceptance letters?

Watch out for a strong AA team to move up and challenge the precious elites.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wouldn't top high school coaches pay more attention to the 7th grade clubs than the 8th considering by the 8th grade spring season most kids have already applied and received acceptance letters?

Yes. All of the top and even middle of the road kids were courted by MIAA coaches, some more than others, starting in the spring of 7th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Watch out for a strong AA team to move up and challenge the precious elites.

API?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Watch out for a strong AA team to move up and challenge the precious elites.

API?

LMAO

what does API stand for?

all parents intoxicated
all parents included (as coaches)
jerk parents incorporated
absent proper instruction

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what does API stand for?

all parents intoxicated
all parents included (as coaches)
jerk parents incorporated
absent proper instruction

Sorry your child did not make the team, Better luck next year. Little advice. If you talk like you write, keep your mouth closed. Coaches notice foul mouthed people.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what does API stand for?

all parents intoxicated
all parents included (as coaches)
jerk parents incorporated
absent proper instruction

I think API is the Roman Numeral for 18-6?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what does API stand for?

all parents intoxicated
all parents included (as coaches)
jerk parents incorporated
absent proper instruction

I think API is the Roman Numeral for 18-6?

It will be much closer than you think this year, wise guy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what does API stand for?

all parents intoxicated
all parents included (as coaches)
jerk parents incorporated
absent proper instruction

I think API is the Roman Numeral for 18-6?

OUCH!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wouldn't top high school coaches pay more attention to the 7th grade clubs than the 8th considering by the 8th grade spring season most kids have already applied and received acceptance letters?

Yes. All of the top and even middle of the road kids were courted by MIAA coaches, some more than others, starting in the spring of 7th grade.

Wait, I was told HOCO doesn't matter during middle school? LOL at the amateurs on the Board. Even if you're looking to send your kid to a top notch D3 school, if you want one of their top slots at admissions you better be a very good lacrosse player (they have a national pool to draw from). With a few exceptions, middle school club ball sets the table (obviously there are late bloomers and exceptions) for the first 2-3 years of high school which in turn position a player to be recruited. Some top academic schools only have clubs (CM and GT come to mind), others give almost zero credit for lacrosse (MIT and Swarthmore) while others lacrosse can get you in the door (Ivies, NESCAC, etc).

I heard over the weekend that since so many teams applied to play in the 2022 AA Elite division that HoCo was going to enforce a rule where all players on a roster must live in the state that the team practices to have them on the HoCo roster. If that is true, then Teams like Team91 Maryland that have several players who fly in from Texas for the HoCo games, may not be in HoCo AA Elite this year? Has anyone else heard this?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what does API stand for?

all parents intoxicated
all parents included (as coaches)
jerk parents incorporated
absent proper instruction

I think API is the Roman Numeral for 18-6?

It will be much closer than you think this year, wise guy.

Actually, it will be much worse this year if we want it to be

I would say fake news. We have kids from Pennsylvania, Delaware, DC, Virginia and WV that play for teams in the league.
The 2022 will be playing on Saturdays this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what does API stand for?

all parents intoxicated
all parents included (as coaches)
jerk parents incorporated
absent proper instruction

I think API is the Roman Numeral for 18-6?

It will be much closer than you think this year, wise guy.

Actually, it will be much worse this year if we want it to be

You suiting up, dad?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what does API stand for?

all parents intoxicated
all parents included (as coaches)
jerk parents incorporated
absent proper instruction

I think API is the Roman Numeral for 18-6?

It will be much closer than you think this year, wise guy.

Actually, it will be much worse this year if we want it to be

You suiting up, dad?

There is a HOCO league for dads. It would be funny to have games with dads from each club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what does API stand for?

all parents intoxicated
all parents included (as coaches)
jerk parents incorporated
absent proper instruction

I think API is the Roman Numeral for 18-6?

It will be much closer than you think this year, wise guy.

Actually, it will be much worse this year if we want it to be

You suiting up, dad?

He will fit in with the rest of the holdbacks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what does API stand for?

all parents intoxicated
all parents included (as coaches)
jerk parents incorporated
absent proper instruction

I think API is the Roman Numeral for 18-6?

It will be much closer than you think this year, wise guy.

Actually, it will be much worse this year if we want it to be

You suiting up, dad?

There is a HOCO league for dads. It would be funny to have games with dads from each club.

API could field a team with the 10 parent coaches.

genius idea.

HOCO DAD LEAGUE 2018

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what does API stand for?

all parents intoxicated
all parents included (as coaches)
jerk parents incorporated
absent proper instruction

I think API is the Roman Numeral for 18-6?

It will be much closer than you think this year, wise guy.

Actually, it will be much worse this year if we want it to be

You suiting up, dad?

He will fit in with the rest of the holdbacks

Now that is funny,,,But True!

I'm drafting RM as my goalie in the Dad's League. He's a coach not a dad but I'm expanding the pool. Also picking MM as my attackman or middie (whatever he wants to be). Another coach/dad candidate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm drafting RM as my goalie in the Dad's League. He's a coach not a dad but I'm expanding the pool. Also picking MM as my attackman or middie (whatever he wants to be). Another coach/dad candidate.

That sounds like a gigantic photo op! You can take the picture when the guys from Texas show up to play for you!

2nd draft of league setup came out this afternoon via email. Now includes Hawks, RR, Crabs, FCA, Dukes, 91MD, DCE, and MadLax. Nice solid 8 team division - everyone plays each other one time and then playoffs. I don't see them adding anyone else or it will be unbalanced.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

genius idea.

HOCO DAD LEAGUE 2018

Great idea next we need to create a website where the kids can post S-Talk about all the teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2nd draft of league setup came out this afternoon via email. Now includes Hawks, RR, Crabs, FCA, Dukes, 91MD, DCE, and MadLax. Nice solid 8 team division - everyone plays each other one time and then playoffs. I don't see them adding anyone else or it will be unbalanced.

I don't see how API doesn't get in. Last year, they played one goal games with Crabs and DC Express and beat FCA. They finished ahead of FCA and Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2nd draft of league setup came out this afternoon via email. Now includes Hawks, RR, Crabs, FCA, Dukes, 91MD, DCE, and MadLax. Nice solid 8 team division - everyone plays each other one time and then playoffs. I don't see them adding anyone else or it will be unbalanced.

I don't see how API doesn't get in. Last year, they played one goal games with Crabs and DC Express and beat FCA. They finished ahead of FCA and Crabs.

API lost talent this year and from what I hear got smoked by both FCA and Crabs this past fall.

Is Dukes/Koopers team really going to happen this spring? Heard rumors it's not and the top dukes players are heading to the crabs for spring ball.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Dukes/Koopers team really going to happen this spring? Heard rumors it's not and the top dukes players are heading to the crabs for spring ball.

Is crabs going to have 30 kids on their roster? That’s really fair to the kids already there.

What are the divisions in HOCO gonna be
will there be 4 or 5

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Watch out for a strong AA team to move up and challenge the precious elites.

like who the top teams in AA where lax factory, peninsula and club blue

Your a [ChillLaxin] with ears that can’t get anything right.
FCA and api didn’t even play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Dukes/Koopers team really going to happen this spring? Heard rumors it's not and the top dukes players are heading to the crabs for spring ball.

Is crabs going to have 30 kids on their roster? That’s really fair to the kids already there.

Koopers '21 kids are playing for Koopers '22

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Is Dukes/Koopers team really going to happen this spring? Heard rumors it's not and the top dukes players are heading to the crabs for spring ball.

Is crabs going to have 30 kids on their roster? That’s really fair to the kids already there.
[/q

If you've ever studied crustaceans they are bottom feeders by nature. I would take 10-12 kids from the Dukes and drop the bottom half of the current Crabs 2022 team down to a A level squad and dominate HOCO. At least the kids at the lower level got some gear and can sell it at a deep discount online.

10-4

Any team that has more then 20 players on the team for spring/summer is complete money grab .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any team that has more then 20 players on the team for spring/summer is complete money grab .

Name one that doesn't.

Cannons

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cannons

hmmmm......what does Katy Perry have?

[quote=Anonymous
hmmmm......what does Katy Perry have?
[/quote]

Crabs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any team that has more then 20 players on the team for spring/summer is complete money grab .

Name one that doesn't.

Ridiculous statement
2 goalies
6-attack
9- middies/fogo/Lsm
6-defense
Basic sideline for any lacrosse team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any team that has more then 20 players on the team for spring/summer is complete money grab .

Name one that doesn't.

BLC/DC Express

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any team that has more then 20 players on the team for spring/summer is complete money grab .

Name one that doesn't.

BLC/DC Express

lol...yeah right!!! You turds from bathezduhhh!!! are the worst. The money grab kings.

Huge Roster that you don't even have the guts to post.

Holdbacks galore

Guest players out the yin yang.....flying in from Utah?? Your disgruntled parents LOVE talking about that on the sidelines.

Your an absolute stunad OP to come on here and throw rocks while living in the biggest glass house on the block.

Now go AWAY!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any team that has more then 20 players on the team for spring/summer is complete money grab .

Name one that doesn't.

BLC/DC Express

Calling BS... Those orgs have a rule of minimum of 20 per team if only 1 goalie

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any team that has more then 20 players on the team for spring/summer is complete money grab .

Name one that doesn't.

BLC/DC Express

Calling BS... Those orgs have a rule of minimum of 20 per team if only 1 goalie

FWW - DC Express Black has 24 players, 6 attacks, 9 middies, 7 poles and 2 goalies. Not sure about B team, haven't seen roster.

When will the the mega merger between the Dukes/Crabs be announced? Guess they have to make all of the "son, despite making the team, you have been waived to the Hardshells calls". Life is tough on the circuit. All for a partial scholarship at best or a slot at a strong school. Put your money into SAT prep, much better payoff....

Just curios about DC express. Was just on their website and it lists there 8th grade(2021) team. Would there 8th grade team be 2022?
My kid is in 8th grade and he will graduate in 2022. Are they really putting their 2021 team in 2022 brackets?

Who is playing Hogan spring thaw tournament?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Watch out for a strong AA team to move up and challenge the precious elites.

like who the top teams in AA where lax factory, peninsula and club blue

all these teams would be 5th or 6th if they moved up

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Watch out for a strong AA team to move up and challenge the precious elites.

like who the top teams in AA where lax factory, peninsula and club blue

all these teams would be 5th or 6th if they moved up

Those teams would not win a game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When will the the mega merger between the Dukes/Crabs be announced? Guess they have to make all of the "son, despite making the team, you have been waived to the Hardshells calls". Life is tough on the circuit. All for a partial scholarship at best or a slot at a strong school. Put your money into SAT prep, much better payoff....

That was a lot of BS around a false rumor.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any team that has more then 20 players on the team for spring/summer is complete money grab .

Name one that doesn't.

BLC/DC Express

lol...yeah right!!! You turds from bathezduhhh!!! are the worst. The money grab kings.

Huge Roster that you don't even have the guts to post.

Holdbacks galore

Guest players out the yin yang.....flying in from Utah?? Your disgruntled parents LOVE talking about that on the sidelines.

Your an absolute stunad OP to come on here and throw rocks while living in the biggest glass house on the block.

Now go AWAY!!!

hit a nerve-

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curios about DC express. Was just on their website and it lists there 8th grade(2021) team. Would there 8th grade team be 2022?
My kid is in 8th grade and he will graduate in 2022. Are they really putting their 2021 team in 2022 brackets?

2021 class is in high school playing for the high school. Is it that hard to figure out? DCE has more holdbacks than all other teams this year but it means nothing since all teams have them. Better bring your A game against this team or you will be crying foul the entire year.They are the clear front runner of this league.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curios about DC express. Was just on their website and it lists there 8th grade(2021) team. Would there 8th grade team be 2022?
My kid is in 8th grade and he will graduate in 2022. Are they really putting their 2021 team in 2022 brackets?

2021 class is in high school playing for the high school. Is it that hard to figure out? DCE has more holdbacks than all other teams this year but it means nothing since all teams have them. Better bring your A game against this team or you will be crying foul the entire year.They are the clear front runner of this league.

Clear front runner? The team to beat has been practicing in the rain while you've been stuffing handfuls of nachos and mini meatballs into your face and talking smack on BOTC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curios about DC express. Was just on their website and it lists there 8th grade(2021) team. Would there 8th grade team be 2022?
My kid is in 8th grade and he will graduate in 2022. Are they really putting their 2021 team in 2022 brackets?

2021 class is in high school playing for the high school. Is it that hard to figure out? DCE has more holdbacks than all other teams this year but it means nothing since all teams have them. Better bring your A game against this team or you will be crying foul the entire year.They are the clear front runner of this league.

Clear front runner? The team to beat has been practicing in the rain while you've been stuffing handfuls of nachos and mini meatballs into your face and talking smack on BOTC.

ummm...every team has been practicing in the rain. It has been raining for the past 2 weekends. Everyone also loves nachos and mini meatballs. Everyone talks smack on BOTC. Everyone thinks their team is the front runner or the best this year. However not everyone reacts like a [ChillLaxin] and makes stupid remarks when they dislike an anonymous statement.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curios about DC express. Was just on their website and it lists there 8th grade(2021) team. Would there 8th grade team be 2022?
My kid is in 8th grade and he will graduate in 2022. Are they really putting their 2021 team in 2022 brackets?

2021 class is in high school playing for the high school. Is it that hard to figure out? DCE has more holdbacks than all other teams this year but it means nothing since all teams have them. Better bring your A game against this team or you will be crying foul the entire year.They are the clear front runner of this league.

Clear front runner? The team to beat has been practicing in the rain while you've been stuffing handfuls of nachos and mini meatballs into your face and talking smack on BOTC.

ummm...every team has been practicing in the rain. It has been raining for the past 2 weekends. Everyone also loves nachos and mini meatballs. Everyone talks smack on BOTC. Everyone thinks their team is the front runner or the best this year. However not everyone reacts like a [ChillLaxin] and makes stupid remarks when they dislike an anonymous statement.

Thanks for the sensible response. Keep posting them. I, a parent, so enjoy those nachos and "mini" meatballs. And, I "stuff my mouth" with them. But then again, I don't play in the games, nor am I in training, nor does my worth and self-esteem revolve around taking pride in a Seal Team Six training regimen. I am happy though that those among us with less than sufficient testosterone can vent on here and feel "mas muy macho"!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curios about DC express. Was just on their website and it lists there 8th grade(2021) team. Would there 8th grade team be 2022?
My kid is in 8th grade and he will graduate in 2022. Are they really putting their 2021 team in 2022 brackets?

2021 class is in high school playing for the high school. Is it that hard to figure out? DCE has more holdbacks than all other teams this year but it means nothing since all teams have them. Better bring your A game against this team or you will be crying foul the entire year.They are the clear front runner of this league.

Clear front runner? The team to beat has been practicing in the rain while you've been stuffing handfuls of nachos and mini meatballs into your face and talking smack on BOTC.

ummm...every team has been practicing in the rain. It has been raining for the past 2 weekends. Everyone also loves nachos and mini meatballs. Everyone talks smack on BOTC. Everyone thinks their team is the front runner or the best this year. However not everyone reacts like a [ChillLaxin] and makes stupid remarks when they dislike an anonymous statement.

Thanks for the sensible response. Keep posting them. I, a parent, so enjoy those nachos and "mini" meatballs. And, I "stuff my mouth" with them. But then again, I don't play in the games, nor am I in training, nor does my worth and self-esteem revolve around taking pride in a Seal Team Six training regimen. I am happy though that those among us with less than sufficient testosterone can vent on here and feel "mas muy macho"!

I wouldn't get so high and mighty about your "worth, self-respect and pride." You are trolling on an 8th grade message board, you are just as lame as the rest of us dad losers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curios about DC express. Was just on their website and it lists there 8th grade(2021) team. Would there 8th grade team be 2022?
My kid is in 8th grade and he will graduate in 2022. Are they really putting their 2021 team in 2022 brackets?

2021 class is in high school playing for the high school. Is it that hard to figure out? DCE has more holdbacks than all other teams this year but it means nothing since all teams have them. Better bring your A game against this team or you will be crying foul the entire year.They are the clear front runner of this league.

Clear front runner? The team to beat has been practicing in the rain while you've been stuffing handfuls of nachos and mini meatballs into your face and talking smack on BOTC.

ummm...every team has been practicing in the rain. It has been raining for the past 2 weekends. Everyone also loves nachos and mini meatballs. Everyone talks smack on BOTC. Everyone thinks their team is the front runner or the best this year. However not everyone reacts like a ** and makes stupid remarks when they dislike an anonymous statement.

Actually to prove my point, some clubs aren't practicing at all yet. Because as I said, they don't put as much emphasis on HOCO. As much as some of these clubs practice year round they should have every one of those kids commit to high end D1 programs right? Either that or half of them will burn out and not even play in college. Interesting social experiment. My son plays other sports in the winter. Works with a trainer to prepare his body for lacrosse season over the winter. Not sure what the need to play and practice all winter is. Practice starts early next month. He'll be ready to go. Team will be ready for HoCo but it certainly isn't the end all be all of their year.

I know this is just like gasoline to you vultures......but Real talk here!!! I know API gets blasted on here too, but everyone please keep the Cannons out of your mouths when it comes to speaking on here!!!! API and Cannons had some great battles!!! The 2022 Cannons are not the same! That's a fact!! Its hard to be the same when families/players leave. Its hard to compete in the holdback era, and yes you have one but its by a day. Hard replacing Elite players with A/B players. Instead of being loyal and committed those families left......Yes a team of Southern Maryland boys won the 2015 NPYLL Championship and I am proud of that team and my organization.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know this is just like gasoline to you vultures......but Real talk here!!! I know API gets blasted on here too, but everyone please keep the Cannons out of your mouths when it comes to speaking on here!!!! API and Cannons had some great battles!!! The 2022 Cannons are not the same! That's a fact!! Its hard to be the same when families/players leave. Its hard to compete in the holdback era, and yes you have one but its by a day. Hard replacing Elite players with A/B players. Instead of being loyal and committed those families left......Yes a team of Southern Maryland boys won the 2015 NPYLL Championship and I am proud of that team and my organization.

No one bothers talking about the Cannons on here. Why so bitter when you have that 5th grade trophy?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curios about DC express. Was just on their website and it lists there 8th grade(2021) team. Would there 8th grade team be 2022?
My kid is in 8th grade and he will graduate in 2022. Are they really putting their 2021 team in 2022 brackets?

2021 class is in high school playing for the high school. Is it that hard to figure out? DCE has more holdbacks than all other teams this year but it means nothing since all teams have them. Better bring your A game against this team or you will be crying foul the entire year.They are the clear front runner of this league.

Clear front runner? The team to beat has been practicing in the rain while you've been stuffing handfuls of nachos and mini meatballs into your face and talking smack on BOTC.

ummm...every team has been practicing in the rain. It has been raining for the past 2 weekends. Everyone also loves nachos and mini meatballs. Everyone talks smack on BOTC. Everyone thinks their team is the front runner or the best this year. However not everyone reacts like a ** and makes stupid remarks when they dislike an anonymous statement.

Actually to prove my point, some clubs aren't practicing at all yet. Because as I said, they don't put as much emphasis on HOCO. As much as some of these clubs practice year round they should have every one of those kids commit to high end D1 programs right? Either that or half of them will burn out and not even play in college. Interesting social experiment. My son plays other sports in the winter. Works with a trainer to prepare his body for lacrosse season over the winter. Not sure what the need to play and practice all winter is. Practice starts early next month. He'll be ready to go. Team will be ready for HoCo but it certainly isn't the end all be all of their year.

Really? Some teams are not practicing yet? Do really want to run your mouth then back track completely and pretend the HOCO league doesn't matter as much as summer? Is that your belief, cause it sure isn't the clubs or coaches or players belief. EVERY team has had some fall and winter practices and games, wether it was indoor,outdoor,box,work outs etc. (especially DCE). don't make bold statements and follow up with lies. Every club also favors in season sports and wants players to focus on that sport. My kid played a fall sport and is playing a winter sport. Social Experiment? D1 commits? You clearly have no idea about any of this- If these kids get into any college based on their lacrosse skill than that is a huge plus. It is a parents job to prevent burning out. My kid and his team love every minute of every practice and game and prepare for each so they can win in the toughest league without question in the country. Week to week battles . LI,Philly, and others have nothing like this . You simply can not say a 3-5 game marathon in the middle of the summer is comparable. Though they are fun and great tournaments. So, to your point lacrosse is a Spring Sport.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know this is just like gasoline to you vultures......but Real talk here!!! I know API gets blasted on here too, but everyone please keep the Cannons out of your mouths when it comes to speaking on here!!!! API and Cannons had some great battles!!! The 2022 Cannons are not the same! That's a fact!! Its hard to be the same when families/players leave. Its hard to compete in the holdback era, and yes you have one but its by a day. Hard replacing Elite players with A/B players. Instead of being loyal and committed those families left......Yes a team of Southern Maryland boys won the 2015 NPYLL Championship and I am proud of that team and my organization.

No one bothers talking about the Cannons on here. Why so bitter when you have that 5th grade trophy?

its a shame what happened to that team - thats what happens you pay for youth lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curios about DC express. Was just on their website and it lists there 8th grade(2021) team. Would there 8th grade team be 2022?
My kid is in 8th grade and he will graduate in 2022. Are they really putting their 2021 team in 2022 brackets?

2021 class is in high school playing for the high school. Is it that hard to figure out? DCE has more holdbacks than all other teams this year but it means nothing since all teams have them. Better bring your A game against this team or you will be crying foul the entire year.They are the clear front runner of this league.

Clear front runner? The team to beat has been practicing in the rain while you've been stuffing handfuls of nachos and mini meatballs into your face and talking smack on BOTC.

ummm...every team has been practicing in the rain. It has been raining for the past 2 weekends. Everyone also loves nachos and mini meatballs. Everyone talks smack on BOTC. Everyone thinks their team is the front runner or the best this year. However not everyone reacts like a ** and makes stupid remarks when they dislike an anonymous statement.

Actually to prove my point, some clubs aren't practicing at all yet. Because as I said, they don't put as much emphasis on HOCO. As much as some of these clubs practice year round they should have every one of those kids commit to high end D1 programs right? Either that or half of them will burn out and not even play in college. Interesting social experiment. My son plays other sports in the winter. Works with a trainer to prepare his body for lacrosse season over the winter. Not sure what the need to play and practice all winter is. Practice starts early next month. He'll be ready to go. Team will be ready for HoCo but it certainly isn't the end all be all of their year.

My kids all play 3 sports even in high school at the highest level. Very odd post and completely uninformed. Of course top clubs let their kids play in season sports. And yes just like in high school lacrosse is a spring sport. If HOCO is the only league a team belongs to in the spring, then yes, its really important (as much as 8th grade lacrosse can be important). Laughing out loud at your comments: where are you from? Some backwater area of MD? Some third rate club? The top clubs are practicing almost every week (at least one day) and doing some fitness training. Some went on warm weather trips to FL, etc. Everyone is doing wall ball 5-6 days per week. Did I mention, a lot of these kids will be trying out for varsity teams next year? To summarize, if your boy attends a top 20 high school lacrosse program, unless your kid is an athletic freak (they do exist), he better be practicing some stick skills over the winter (especially if he's at a skill position) otherwise he will be cut once he gets to high school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know this is just like gasoline to you vultures......but Real talk here!!! I know API gets blasted on here too, but everyone please keep the Cannons out of your mouths when it comes to speaking on here!!!! API and Cannons had some great battles!!! The 2022 Cannons are not the same! That's a fact!! Its hard to be the same when families/players leave. Its hard to compete in the holdback era, and yes you have one but its by a day. Hard replacing Elite players with A/B players. Instead of being loyal and committed those families left......Yes a team of Southern Maryland boys won the 2015 NPYLL Championship and I am proud of that team and my organization.

No one bothers talking about the Cannons on here. Why so bitter when you have that 5th grade trophy?

Bad coaching killed both teams

Sorry to break it to everyone but every club isn’t practicing throughout the winter. That’s a true statement. Not every club has the kids doing fitness training all winter. Also a fact. And not everyone takes hoco all that seriously. Also a true statement.

I’m not talking about lower level teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry to break it to everyone but every club isn’t practicing throughout the winter. That’s a true statement. Not every club has the kids doing fitness training all winter. Also a fact. And not everyone takes hoco all that seriously. Also a true statement.

I’m not talking about lower level teams.

There are lower level teams in the elite division. I'm referencing teams with a realistic shot at winning HOCO. The Cleveland Browns are a professional football franchise but they are the laughing stock of the NFL. They're not a lower level team but have zero chance of winning the SP next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry to break it to everyone but every club isn’t practicing throughout the winter. That’s a true statement. Not every club has the kids doing fitness training all winter. Also a fact. And not everyone takes hoco all that seriously. Also a true statement.

I’m not talking about lower level teams.

There are lower level teams in the elite division. I'm referencing teams with a realistic shot at winning HOCO. The Cleveland Browns are a professional football franchise but they are the laughing stock of the NFL. They're not a lower level team but have zero chance of winning the SP next year.

I just want people to list the teams doing nothing? then we can compare them to the records of the Teams doing more. Also the teams I will not let my kid tryout for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry to break it to everyone but every club isn’t practicing throughout the winter. That’s a true statement. Not every club has the kids doing fitness training all winter. Also a fact. And not everyone takes hoco all that seriously. Also a true statement.

I’m not talking about lower level teams.

There are lower level teams in the elite division. I'm referencing teams with a realistic shot at winning HOCO. The Cleveland Browns are a professional football franchise but they are the laughing stock of the NFL. They're not a lower level team but have zero chance of winning the SP next year.

I just want people to list the teams doing nothing? then we can compare them to the records of the Teams doing more. Also the teams I will not let my kid tryout for.

And I want everyone to do my due diligence for me because I'm a slug. Do your own research and make your own club decision. No one is forcing anything on you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry to break it to everyone but every club isn’t practicing throughout the winter. That’s a true statement. Not every club has the kids doing fitness training all winter. Also a fact. And not everyone takes hoco all that seriously. Also a true statement.

I’m not talking about lower level teams.

There are lower level teams in the elite division. I'm referencing teams with a realistic shot at winning HOCO. The Cleveland Browns are a professional football franchise but they are the laughing stock of the NFL. They're not a lower level team but have zero chance of winning the SP next year.

I just want people to list the teams doing nothing? then we can compare them to the records of the Teams doing more. Also the teams I will not let my kid tryout for.

There is not one Elite level or even AA team that has not had a fall ball season and some type of winter indoor fun. Season is less than 2 months away and you want people to believe you are not practicing yet. This sounds way more ridiculous than your envious bashing of the teams that are training throughout the year and have started practicing for the spring season which is here. If your club does not offer these training options that are just that- optional- during other seasons than you are getting robbed in your pocket and kid is being robbed of working to get better while everyone else is. You might as well call out the teams you clearly do not like and then tell everyone what club that you belong to . Club that takes money from families and doesn't offer coaching, training during off season and does not care about the actual in season league that they play in. Never heard of any organization that didn't care about the league they belong to or the practicing that goes into competing in that league. true statement-

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry to break it to everyone but every club isn’t practicing throughout the winter. That’s a true statement. Not every club has the kids doing fitness training all winter. Also a fact. And not everyone takes hoco all that seriously. Also a true statement.

I’m not talking about lower level teams.

No one really knows what the heck you are talking about. ..true statement..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry to break it to everyone but every club isn’t practicing throughout the winter. That’s a true statement. Not every club has the kids doing fitness training all winter. Also a fact. And not everyone takes hoco all that seriously. Also a true statement.

I’m not talking about lower level teams.

There are lower level teams in the elite division. I'm referencing teams with a realistic shot at winning HOCO. The Cleveland Browns are a professional football franchise but they are the laughing stock of the NFL. They're not a lower level team but have zero chance of winning the SP next year.

I just want people to list the teams doing nothing? then we can compare them to the records of the Teams doing more. Also the teams I will not let my kid tryout for.

There is not one Elite level or even AA team that has not had a fall ball season and some type of winter indoor fun. Season is less than 2 months away and you want people to believe you are not practicing yet. This sounds way more ridiculous than your envious bashing of the teams that are training throughout the year and have started practicing for the spring season which is here. If your club does not offer these training options that are just that- optional- during other seasons than you are getting robbed in your pocket and kid is being robbed of working to get better while everyone else is. You might as well call out the teams you clearly do not like and then tell everyone what club that you belong to . Club that takes money from families and doesn't offer coaching, training during off season and does not care about the actual in season league that they play in. Never heard of any organization that didn't care about the league they belong to or the practicing that goes into competing in that league. true statement-

Agree-If you think you are going win every tournament this summer at this age group you may want to think again. The top tournaments last summer were brutal with a ton of great competition. To win 1 or 2 will say a lot but no more than winning the toughest league in the country. The best team last year won the league and a bunch of summer tournaments but didn't win them all. This age group is too good from team to team. The practices, coaching and training will be the difference maker. For Spring and Summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree-If you think you are going win every tournament this summer at this age group you may want to think again. The top tournaments last summer were brutal with a ton of great competition. To win 1 or 2 will say a lot but no more than winning the toughest league in the country. The best team last year won the league and a bunch of summer tournaments but didn't win them all. This age group is too good from team to team. The practices, coaching and training will be the difference maker. For Spring and Summer.

This age group is no better or worse than any other.

Is evergreen gonna play in HOCO if so which division

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is evergreen gonna play in HOCO if so which division

Evergreen is in the A division. Cavalier is AA. So much for the showdown we’ve all been waiting for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is evergreen gonna play in HOCO if so which division

Evergreen is in the A division. Cavalier is AA. So much for the showdown we’ve all been waiting for.

Anyone in the know realizes Evergreen's destiny is one day to play in the C Division..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is evergreen gonna play in HOCO if so which division

Evergreen is in the A division. Cavalier is AA. So much for the showdown we’ve all been waiting for.

Which basically means Evergreen is in the C division since there is Elite, AA, A, B

From all the talk all winter I was expecting Evergreen to win the Elite division

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree-If you think you are going win every tournament this summer at this age group you may want to think again. The top tournaments last summer were brutal with a ton of great competition. To win 1 or 2 will say a lot but no more than winning the toughest league in the country. The best team last year won the league and a bunch of summer tournaments but didn't win them all. This age group is too good from team to team. The practices, coaching and training will be the difference maker. For Spring and Summer.

This age group is no better or worse than any other.

Another yahoo comment. Teams and age groups year to hear are homogeneous. Get back on that turnip truck sir.....

Any one get a look at the HoCo groupings?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any one get a look at the HoCo groupings?

2022 Elite
Annapolis Hawks
API Diamondbacks
Crabs
DC Express Black
FCA Blue
Koopers
Madlax Capitol
Next Level Blue
Roughriders
Team 91

2022 AA
Cannons
Cavalier
Club Blue
DC Express Orange
FCA White
Koopers
Lax Factory
Looneys
Peninsula
Rock
Thunder
VLC

2022 A
Breakers
Evergreen
Hereford
HoCo
MDX
Revolution
Rockfish Silver
Sidewinders
USS Destroyers
Zingos

2022 B
Breakers
Green Hornets
Greene Turtle
Madlax DMV
MD Wolfpack
Next Level Red
SCYL
STARZ

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any one get a look at the HoCo groupings?

2022 Elite
Annapolis Hawks
API Diamondbacks
Crabs
DC Express Black
FCA Blue
Koopers
Madlax Capitol
Next Level Blue
Roughriders
Team 91

2022 AA
Cannons
Cavalier
Club Blue
DC Express Orange
FCA White
Koopers
Lax Factory
Looneys
Peninsula
Rock
Thunder
VLC

2022 A
Breakers
Evergreen
Hereford
HoCo
MDX
Revolution
Rockfish Silver
Sidewinders
USS Destroyers
Zingos

2022 B
Breakers
Green Hornets
Greene Turtle
Madlax DMV
MD Wolfpack

Next Level Red
SCYL
STARZ

Is this posted online ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is evergreen gonna play in HOCO if so which division

Evergreen is in the A division. Cavalier is AA. So much for the showdown we’ve all been waiting for.

Which basically means Evergreen is in the C division since there is Elite, AA, A, B

From all the talk all winter I was expecting Evergreen to win the Elite division

Give them time..They will be an elite B team

Next level blue is going to get destroyed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next level blue is going to get destroyed

They didn’t win a game last year. Why would they stay in that division?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next level blue is going to get destroyed

They didn’t win a game last year. Why would they stay in that division?

The fact you asked this question is why your son is a loser! Play the best to be the best. They are in 8th grade they need to be ready for high school tryouts in 12 months. Loser speak is so easy to find when you look for it.

This is a good group of teams overall. You will always have the top and bottom teams and by now at this age group it does not change by much.

2022 Elite
Annapolis Hawks(1)
API Diamondbacks(9)
Crabs(6)
DC Express Black(2)
FCA Blue(8)
Koopers(4)
Madlax Capitol(5)
Next Level Blue(10)
Roughriders(3)
Team 91(7)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a good group of teams overall. You will always have the top and bottom teams and by now at this age group it does not change by much.

2022 Elite
Annapolis Hawks(1)
API Diamondbacks(9)
Crabs(6)
DC Express Black(2)
FCA Blue(8)
Koopers(4)
Madlax Capitol(5)
Next Level Blue(10)
Roughriders(3)
Team 91(7)

If the Koopers team has most of their dukes players there is no way they end up 4th. And how do you have Crabs ranked ahead of teams they haven't come close to beating?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a good group of teams overall. You will always have the top and bottom teams and by now at this age group it does not change by much.

2022 Elite
Annapolis Hawks(1)
API Diamondbacks(9)
Crabs(6)
DC Express Black(2)
FCA Blue(8)
Koopers(4)
Madlax Capitol(5)
Next Level Blue(10)
Roughriders(3)
Team 91(7)

If the Koopers team has most of their dukes players there is no way they end up 4th. And how do you have Crabs ranked ahead of teams they haven't come close to beating?

This will be the year of the Crab. They are reloaded and will be one of the elite top 3

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a good group of teams overall. You will always have the top and bottom teams and by now at this age group it does not change by much.

2022 Elite
Annapolis Hawks(1)
API Diamondbacks(9)
Crabs(6)
DC Express Black(2)
FCA Blue(8)
Koopers(4)
Madlax Capitol(5)
Next Level Blue(10)
Roughriders(3)
Team 91(7)

If the Koopers team has most of their dukes players there is no way they end up 4th. And how do you have Crabs ranked ahead of teams they haven't come close to beating?

And how do you have Roughriders ranked ahead of Crabs who they lost to last summer?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a good group of teams overall. You will always have the top and bottom teams and by now at this age group it does not change by much.

2022 Elite
Annapolis Hawks(1)
API Diamondbacks(9)
Crabs(6)
DC Express Black(2)
FCA Blue(8)
Koopers(4)
Madlax Capitol(5)
Next Level Blue(10)
Roughriders(3)
Team 91(7)

If the Koopers team has most of their dukes players there is no way they end up 4th. And how do you have Crabs ranked ahead of teams they haven't come close to beating?

And how do you have Roughriders ranked ahead of Crabs who they lost to last summer?

The Crabs team they lost to by a goal last summer had the Petros and some other guest players that aren't actually on the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a good group of teams overall. You will always have the top and bottom teams and by now at this age group it does not change by much.

2022 Elite
Annapolis Hawks(1)
API Diamondbacks(9)
Crabs(6)
DC Express Black(2)
FCA Blue(8)
Koopers(4)
Madlax Capitol(5)
Next Level Blue(10)
Roughriders(3)
Team 91(7)

If the Koopers team has most of their dukes players there is no way they end up 4th. And how do you have Crabs ranked ahead of teams they haven't come close to beating?

This will be the year of the Crab. They are reloaded and will be one of the elite top 3

Did they reload since fall?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a good group of teams overall. You will always have the top and bottom teams and by now at this age group it does not change by much.

2022 Elite
Annapolis Hawks(1)
API Diamondbacks(9)
Crabs(6)
DC Express Black(2)
FCA Blue(8)
Koopers(4)
Madlax Capitol(5)
Next Level Blue(10)
Roughriders(3)
Team 91(7)

If the Koopers team has most of their dukes players there is no way they end up 4th. And how do you have Crabs ranked ahead of teams they haven't come close to beating?

Not a bad ranking the teams 5 to 8 are interchangeable

Hopefully the league let's everyone play each other.
We you have some of the best youth lacrosse in the country it would help all the teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a good group of teams overall. You will always have the top and bottom teams and by now at this age group it does not change by much.

2022 Elite
Annapolis Hawks(1)
API Diamondbacks(9)
Crabs(6)
DC Express Black(2)
FCA Blue(8)
Koopers(4)
Madlax Capitol(5)
Next Level Blue(10)
Roughriders(3)
Team 91(7)

If the Koopers team has most of their dukes players there is no way they end up 4th. And how do you have Crabs ranked ahead of teams they haven't come close to beating?

Not a bad ranking the teams 5 to 8 are interchangeable

Hopefully the league let's everyone play each other.
We you have some of the best youth lacrosse in the country it would help all the teams.

There are over 200 boys club teams participating in the HoCo spring league from 2022-2027. The league most certainly won't add more games so that the elite teams can all play each other.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a good group of teams overall. You will always have the top and bottom teams and by now at this age group it does not change by much.

2022 Elite
Annapolis Hawks(1)
API Diamondbacks(9)
Crabs(6)
DC Express Black(2)
FCA Blue(8)
Koopers(4)
Madlax Capitol(5)
Next Level Blue(10)
Roughriders(3)
Team 91(7)

If the Koopers team has most of their dukes players there is no way they end up 4th. And how do you have Crabs ranked ahead of teams they haven't come close to beating?

This will be the year of the Crab. They are reloaded and will be one of the elite top 3

Did they reload since fall?

Fall? Yes a few new impact players and were missing players in fall

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a good group of teams overall. You will always have the top and bottom teams and by now at this age group it does not change by much.

2022 Elite
Annapolis Hawks(1)
API Diamondbacks(9)
Crabs(6)
DC Express Black(2)
FCA Blue(8)
Koopers(4)
Madlax Capitol(5)
Next Level Blue(10)
Roughriders(3)
Team 91(7)

If the Koopers team has most of their dukes players there is no way they end up 4th. And how do you have Crabs ranked ahead of teams they haven't come close to beating?

This will be the year of the Crab. They are reloaded and will be one of the elite top 3

Did they reload since fall?

Fall? Yes a few new impact players and were missing players in fall

Yes and don't forget you had RM driving them through Skillz and Drills and practices this winter. He will not tolerate anything less than 100% commitment to winning.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next level blue is going to get destroyed

They didn’t win a game last year. Why would they stay in that division?

The fact you asked this question is why your son is a loser! Play the best to be the best. They are in 8th grade they need to be ready for high school tryouts in 12 months. Loser speak is so easy to find when you look for it.

Dammmnnnnn! Good reply. Very god stuff..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a good group of teams overall. You will always have the top and bottom teams and by now at this age group it does not change by much.

2022 Elite
Annapolis Hawks(1)
API Diamondbacks(9)
Crabs(6)
DC Express Black(2)
FCA Blue(8)
Koopers(4)
Madlax Capitol(5)
Next Level Blue(10)
Roughriders(3)
Team 91(7)

If the Koopers team has most of their dukes players there is no way they end up 4th. And how do you have Crabs ranked ahead of teams they haven't come close to beating?

And how do you have Roughriders ranked ahead of Crabs who they lost to last summer?

The Crabs team they lost to by a goal last summer had the Petros and some other guest players that aren't actually on the team.

Don't sleep on the Rough Riders- easily top 5 of this group

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a good group of teams overall. You will always have the top and bottom teams and by now at this age group it does not change by much.

2022 Elite
Annapolis Hawks(1)
API Diamondbacks(9)
Crabs(6)
DC Express Black(2)
FCA Blue(8)
Koopers(4)
Madlax Capitol(5)
Next Level Blue(10)
Roughriders(3)
Team 91(7)

If the Koopers team has most of their dukes players there is no way they end up 4th. And how do you have Crabs ranked ahead of teams they haven't come close to beating?

Such a joke for Dukes to be disguised as Koopers. And HOCO allowing a 30 man roster to help them out. A disgrace all way around.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a good group of teams overall. You will always have the top and bottom teams and by now at this age group it does not change by much.

2022 Elite
Annapolis Hawks(1)
API Diamondbacks(9)
Crabs(6)
DC Express Black(2)
FCA Blue(8)
Koopers(4)
Madlax Capitol(5)
Next Level Blue(10)
Roughriders(3)
Team 91(7)

If the Koopers team has most of their dukes players there is no way they end up 4th. And how do you have Crabs ranked ahead of teams they haven't come close to beating?

Such a joke for Dukes to be disguised as Koopers. And HOCO allowing a 30 man roster to help them out. A disgrace all way around.

Its the HOCO. what do you expect. .These jerks are one of the reasons for all this grade based garbage. They started a grade based league a few years ago to accommodate private school prefirsts/holdbacks. Of course its no wonder that one of the directors has a holdback in private school. Once a place to place was put in place..they came a running with their holdbacks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a good group of teams overall. You will always have the top and bottom teams and by now at this age group it does not change by much.

2022 Elite
Annapolis Hawks(1)
API Diamondbacks(9)
Crabs(6)
DC Express Black(2)
FCA Blue(8)
Koopers(4)
Madlax Capitol(5)
Next Level Blue(10)
Roughriders(3)
Team 91(7)

If the Koopers team has most of their dukes players there is no way they end up 4th. And how do you have Crabs ranked ahead of teams they haven't come close to beating?

And how do you have Roughriders ranked ahead of Crabs who they lost to last summer?

The Crabs team they lost to by a goal last summer had the Petros and some other guest players that aren't actually on the team.

Don't sleep on the Rough Riders- easily top 5 of this group

You mean the guys that specialize in cheapshots against a team then running scared the rest of the summer. Yeah ok

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry to break it to you, but not everyone takes it seriously. Families don't go no vacation during Crab Feast and other tournaments like that. And clubs would much rather say they won a tournament then a HoCo game. LI clubs don't even have a spring league. A win over LIE, Igloo, 91, PrimeTime are much more gratifying then playing Hawks, FCA, Crabs, DCE, etc over and over.

You're right, not everyone does. Most club coaches (for the top club programs) ask that families hold off on vacations until late July or early August. That's a reality among the top clubs. No, middle school intramural games really don't matter and often reinforce bad habits. Of course beating top OCC opponents matter but not any more than beating a strong local rival.

The reality is 8th grade lacrosse really matters developmentally. Let me tell you why...kids are starting to hit or come out of puberty. You can tell by the 10th grade for 90% of the boys (there are always outliers) who's D1 material or not. How much a boy develops in 8th grades directly impacts whether he makes a F/S, JV or Varsity team as a freshman. Why do you think the top local high school coaches are out at the top 8th grade club games? Because it doesn't matter? Where a boy is slotted in 9th grade often has a direct impact as to his progression. Am I saying an obvious superstar can't leapfrog a bunch of laxers...of course they can but all else being equal higher level generally means better training and competition. Keep deluding yourself that nothing really matters....its like when a coach tells you don't worry because you're not being evaluated...you're always being evaluated.

If you are not at the top of your game and and on a top club at 8th grade you chances are less than 10-20% of going D1. Do some make it. Yes, but that is the minority. Keep saying it doesnt matter and you have time.
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I didn't start playing until my Jr year and ended up on the Cuse National champ team. All players are different and with new clubs exploding out in the West thinking these Md/Va top clubs are the only way into DI you are dead wrong. Show us these stats you speak of - or did you just make them up on the spot to make it sound like you know what you are talking about. [/quote]

What he is really trying to convince us it that his kid being on a top club in 8th grade means the kid has a 80%-90% chance of being D1. He's not counting on blokes like yourself that come out of nowhere. Or the kids on Tx or Fl that aren't quite D1 football athletes but are far superior athletically to the average AA 8th grader player Hoco this spring.
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Nor apparently does he care or give consideration to the fact that a great academic pairing for his son's athletic abilities might be at a DII or DIII school. Academics seem to ALMOST be a forgotten consideration on this board. Playing lacrosse, though tons of fun, and MIGHT give you an assist to get into a college/university that you might otherwise be a marginal consideration for, will not pay the bills! You can expect you little D1 millennial to keep up residence in the family home after the conclusion of his "successful" D1 career at say "Canisius" by way of example. No knock on Canisius, but it is no Carnegie Mellon -- oh wait, Carnegie Mellon though a top rated engineering and computer sciences school doesn't even field a men's lacrosse team. Sorry son, they might train you to put the next man on mars, find a cure for cancer, or provide the data administration to the world's most dynamic companies -- but MY dream (I mean YOUR dream) is to play lacrosse at a D1 school! Never forget that, son.[/quote]

Not everyone forgets about edumecation. My son has strait A's. As a two year holdback he can now practically teach the classes. :p

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Watch out for a strong AA team to move up and challenge the precious elites.

Like who - and please don't say Evergreen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curios about DC express. Was just on their website and it lists there 8th grade(2021) team. Would there 8th grade team be 2022?
My kid is in 8th grade and he will graduate in 2022. Are they really putting their 2021 team in 2022 brackets?

2021 class is in high school playing for the high school. Is it that hard to figure out? DCE has more holdbacks than all other teams this year but it means nothing since all teams have them. Better bring your A game against this team or you will be crying foul the entire year.They are the clear front runner of this league.

Clear front runner? The team to beat has been practicing in the rain while you've been stuffing handfuls of nachos and mini meatballs into your face and talking smack on BOTC.

ummm...every team has been practicing in the rain. It has been raining for the past 2 weekends. Everyone also loves nachos and mini meatballs. Everyone talks smack on BOTC. Everyone thinks their team is the front runner or the best this year. However not everyone reacts like a ** and makes stupid remarks when they dislike an anonymous statement.

Actually to prove my point, some clubs aren't practicing at all yet. Because as I said, they don't put as much emphasis on HOCO. As much as some of these clubs practice year round they should have every one of those kids commit to high end D1 programs right? Either that or half of them will burn out and not even play in college. Interesting social experiment. My son plays other sports in the winter. Works with a trainer to prepare his body for lacrosse season over the winter. Not sure what the need to play and practice all winter is. Practice starts early next month. He'll be ready to go. Team will be ready for HoCo but it certainly isn't the end all be all of their year.

Its okay, your son is not DI material anyway.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is evergreen gonna play in HOCO if so which division

Evergreen is in the A division. Cavalier is AA. So much for the showdown we’ve all been waiting for.

This will allow Cavalier players to also play on Everygreen? Be honest M, Cavalier days are numbered.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a good group of teams overall. You will always have the top and bottom teams and by now at this age group it does not change by much.

2022 Elite
Annapolis Hawks(1)
API Diamondbacks(9)
Crabs(6)
DC Express Black(2)
FCA Blue(8)
Koopers(4)
Madlax Capitol(5)
Next Level Blue(10)
Roughriders(3)
Team 91(7)

If the Koopers team has most of their dukes players there is no way they end up 4th. And how do you have Crabs ranked ahead of teams they haven't come close to beating?

Such a joke for Dukes to be disguised as Koopers. And HOCO allowing a 30 man roster to help them out. A disgrace all way around.

Its the HOCO. what do you expect. .These jerks are one of the reasons for all this grade based garbage. They started a grade based league a few years ago to accommodate private school prefirsts/holdbacks. Of course its no wonder that one of the directors has a holdback in private school. Once a place to place was put in place..they came a running with their holdbacks

That can't be true about the Dukes ? 30 man roster?
HOCO is hardly to blame for anything other than running the biggest lacrosse league for every skill level, age and grade. If you can't find a good fit for your kid or team in this league than you simply have bigger issues. The NPYL folded a few years back which was a league solely for top club lacrosse with its own rules. HOCO gave these teams a home. Comical that sore loser dads come on here bashing the best all around lacrosse league in the country. There is more opportunity for kids to find their level of the sport. 2022 alone has 5 divisions to play in. Save the name calling and bitterness for your wife and the simply decision making process at your home.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]

Actually to prove my point, some clubs aren't practicing at all yet. Because as I said, they don't put as much emphasis on HOCO. As much as some of these clubs practice year round they should have every one of those kids commit to high end D1 programs right? Either that or half of them will burn out and not even play in college. Interesting social experiment. My son plays other sports in the winter. Works with a trainer to prepare his body for lacrosse season over the winter. Not sure what the need to play and practice all winter is. Practice starts early next month. He'll be ready to go. Team will be ready for HoCo but it certainly isn't the end all be all of their year.

Its okay, your son is not DI material anyway.

I got news for you. Yours probably isn't either. The percentage of kids that will play D1, even in the elite division of HOCO in 8th grade, is very small.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]

Actually to prove my point, some clubs aren't practicing at all yet. Because as I said, they don't put as much emphasis on HOCO. As much as some of these clubs practice year round they should have every one of those kids commit to high end D1 programs right? Either that or half of them will burn out and not even play in college. Interesting social experiment. My son plays other sports in the winter. Works with a trainer to prepare his body for lacrosse season over the winter. Not sure what the need to play and practice all winter is. Practice starts early next month. He'll be ready to go. Team will be ready for HoCo but it certainly isn't the end all be all of their year.

Its okay, your son is not DI material anyway.

I got news for you. Yours probably isn't either. The percentage of kids that will play D1, even in the elite division of HOCO in 8th grade, is very small.

I think we had this talk about the Elite level players in HOCO and how many play D1. I can not find the number everyone settled on but I think we can at least say its 3 or 4 times higher then the US avg. of kids going D1.
If you have 8 teams in elite and on avg 5 of the 20 kids from that team go D1 someone good at math give us this number?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]

Actually to prove my point, some clubs aren't practicing at all yet. Because as I said, they don't put as much emphasis on HOCO. As much as some of these clubs practice year round they should have every one of those kids commit to high end D1 programs right? Either that or half of them will burn out and not even play in college. Interesting social experiment. My son plays other sports in the winter. Works with a trainer to prepare his body for lacrosse season over the winter. Not sure what the need to play and practice all winter is. Practice starts early next month. He'll be ready to go. Team will be ready for HoCo but it certainly isn't the end all be all of their year.

Its okay, your son is not DI material anyway.

I got news for you. Yours probably isn't either. The percentage of kids that will play D1, even in the elite division of HOCO in 8th grade, is very small.

I think we had this talk about the Elite level players in HOCO and how many play D1. I can not find the number everyone settled on but I think we can at least say its 3 or 4 times higher then the US avg. of kids going D1.
If you have 8 teams in elite and on avg 5 of the 20 kids from that team go D1 someone good at math give us this number?

That's 25%. But point is, 5 of 20 kids is going to make on average 15 of those dads very upset.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]

Actually to prove my point, some clubs aren't practicing at all yet. Because as I said, they don't put as much emphasis on HOCO. As much as some of these clubs practice year round they should have every one of those kids commit to high end D1 programs right? Either that or half of them will burn out and not even play in college. Interesting social experiment. My son plays other sports in the winter. Works with a trainer to prepare his body for lacrosse season over the winter. Not sure what the need to play and practice all winter is. Practice starts early next month. He'll be ready to go. Team will be ready for HoCo but it certainly isn't the end all be all of their year.

Its okay, your son is not DI material anyway.

I got news for you. Yours probably isn't either. The percentage of kids that will play D1, even in the elite division of HOCO in 8th grade, is very small.

I think we had this talk about the Elite level players in HOCO and how many play D1. I can not find the number everyone settled on but I think we can at least say its 3 or 4 times higher then the US avg. of kids going D1.
If you have 8 teams in elite and on avg 5 of the 20 kids from that team go D1 someone good at math give us this number?

That's 25%. But point is, 5 of 20 kids is going to make on average 15 of those dads very upset.

That number is way too high.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]

Actually to prove my point, some clubs aren't practicing at all yet. Because as I said, they don't put as much emphasis on HOCO. As much as some of these clubs practice year round they should have every one of those kids commit to high end D1 programs right? Either that or half of them will burn out and not even play in college. Interesting social experiment. My son plays other sports in the winter. Works with a trainer to prepare his body for lacrosse season over the winter. Not sure what the need to play and practice all winter is. Practice starts early next month. He'll be ready to go. Team will be ready for HoCo but it certainly isn't the end all be all of their year.

Its okay, your son is not DI material anyway.

I got news for you. Yours probably isn't either. The percentage of kids that will play D1, even in the elite division of HOCO in 8th grade, is very small.

I think we had this talk about the Elite level players in HOCO and how many play D1. I can not find the number everyone settled on but I think we can at least say its 3 or 4 times higher then the US avg. of kids going D1.
If you have 8 teams in elite and on avg 5 of the 20 kids from that team go D1 someone good at math give us this number?

That's 25%. But point is, 5 of 20 kids is going to make on average 15 of those dads very upset.

That number is way too high.

There is not a chance this number is way to high. Name a club in Elite and I will go to the website and see the 2018 class going D1 I am sure none of them will have less then 3. And some of the clubs have 9 so that could avg. 5 per team with no effort. You have to count the Hamptons and 60th ranked D1 teams as D1 not just the ACC big ten teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]

Actually to prove my point, some clubs aren't practicing at all yet. Because as I said, they don't put as much emphasis on HOCO. As much as some of these clubs practice year round they should have every one of those kids commit to high end D1 programs right? Either that or half of them will burn out and not even play in college. Interesting social experiment. My son plays other sports in the winter. Works with a trainer to prepare his body for lacrosse season over the winter. Not sure what the need to play and practice all winter is. Practice starts early next month. He'll be ready to go. Team will be ready for HoCo but it certainly isn't the end all be all of their year.

Its okay, your son is not DI material anyway.

I got news for you. Yours probably isn't either. The percentage of kids that will play D1, even in the elite division of HOCO in 8th grade, is very small.

I think we had this talk about the Elite level players in HOCO and how many play D1. I can not find the number everyone settled on but I think we can at least say its 3 or 4 times higher then the US avg. of kids going D1.
If you have 8 teams in elite and on avg 5 of the 20 kids from that team go D1 someone good at math give us this number?

That's 25%. But point is, 5 of 20 kids is going to make on average 15 of those dads very upset.

That number is way too high.

Simply look at the 2018-2019 classes and their ELITE club teams. How many of those kids are playing D-1, D2 and D3. The answer is a lot . Remember this new thread about an old topic steamed from a Dad claiming his sons team hasn't practice or trained all year and still are not for this Spring league that starts in 5,6 weeks. Team that doesn't care about the league they play in or preparing their players to play. Yet wants to deflect and bash clubs and teams that due.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]

Actually to prove my point, some clubs aren't practicing at all yet. Because as I said, they don't put as much emphasis on HOCO. As much as some of these clubs practice year round they should have every one of those kids commit to high end D1 programs right? Either that or half of them will burn out and not even play in college. Interesting social experiment. My son plays other sports in the winter. Works with a trainer to prepare his body for lacrosse season over the winter. Not sure what the need to play and practice all winter is. Practice starts early next month. He'll be ready to go. Team will be ready for HoCo but it certainly isn't the end all be all of their year.

Its okay, your son is not DI material anyway.

I got news for you. Yours probably isn't either. The percentage of kids that will play D1, even in the elite division of HOCO in 8th grade, is very small.

What is the goal of your team if its not to win the league they play in? Win a summer tournament?

Develop, compete, be a good teammate, persevere to name a few.
BTW... pretty sure coaches are looking for those things much more than who wins the HOCO league or a tournament. Those traits will also be far more important in life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]

Actually to prove my point, some clubs aren't practicing at all yet. Because as I said, they don't put as much emphasis on HOCO. As much as some of these clubs practice year round they should have every one of those kids commit to high end D1 programs right? Either that or half of them will burn out and not even play in college. Interesting social experiment. My son plays other sports in the winter. Works with a trainer to prepare his body for lacrosse season over the winter. Not sure what the need to play and practice all winter is. Practice starts early next month. He'll be ready to go. Team will be ready for HoCo but it certainly isn't the end all be all of their year.

Its okay, your son is not DI material anyway.

I got news for you. Yours probably isn't either. The percentage of kids that will play D1, even in the elite division of HOCO in 8th grade, is very small.

What is the goal of your team if its not to win the league they play in? Win a summer tournament?

The goal of all these teams should be to develop their players to play varsity in high school and hopefully in college some day. Not to wear them down by practicing 5 days a week to win HoCo.

I think the goal of these teams is to develop their players for high school and hopefully beyond. And they don’t practice anywhere near 5 days a week...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Develop, compete, be a good teammate, persevere to name a few.
BTW... pretty sure coaches are looking for those things much more than who wins the HOCO league or a tournament. Those traits will also be far more important in life.

Winning is a habit in life and so is losing. Not saying you're going to win everything, but if you prepare to win and position yourself on a team with potential you will win more than you lose.

If you have 8 teams in elite and on avg 5 of the 20 kids from that team go D1 someone good at math give us this number? [/quote]

That's 25%. But point is, 5 of 20 kids is going to make on average 15 of those dads very upset.[/quote]

Funny stuff^^^

The reality is that many of the top programs in HOCO have far more than 25% of their roster who are committed to D1 programs. Check out the 2018/2019 Madlax, Crabs, and Hawks rosters.

For instance, Madlax 2019 has (12) local DMV kids committed to DI programs, and Madlax 2018 has (15) local DMV kids.

Crabs 2019 has (8) 2019 D1 commits and Crabs 2018 has (16) D1 commits.

It's solely dependent on that particular year's class for every team. Some are really talented, some aren't.

The true age base13 and 14 boys 2022 are just starting hit growth spurts. So we see what’s happens with kids but coaches aren’t looking at them now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a good group of teams overall. You will always have the top and bottom teams and by now at this age group it does not change by much.

2022 Elite
Annapolis Hawks(1)
API Diamondbacks(9)
Crabs(6)
DC Express Black(2)
FCA Blue(8)
Koopers(4)
Madlax Capitol(5)
Next Level Blue(10)
Roughriders(3)
Team 91(7)

If the Koopers team has most of their dukes players there is no way they end up 4th. And how do you have Crabs ranked ahead of teams they haven't come close to beating?

Such a joke for Dukes to be disguised as Koopers. And HOCO allowing a 30 man roster to help them out. A disgrace all way around.

Its the HOCO. what do you expect. .These jerks are one of the reasons for all this grade based garbage. They started a grade based league a few years ago to accommodate private school prefirsts/holdbacks. Of course its no wonder that one of the directors has a holdback in private school. Once a place to place was put in place..they came a running with their holdbacks

That can't be true about the Dukes ? 30 man roster?
HOCO is hardly to blame for anything other than running the biggest lacrosse league for every skill level, age and grade. If you can't find a good fit for your kid or team in this league than you simply have bigger issues. The NPYL folded a few years back which was a league solely for top club lacrosse with its own rules. HOCO gave these teams a home. Comical that sore loser dads come on here bashing the best all around lacrosse league in the country. There is more opportunity for kids to find their level of the sport. 2022 alone has 5 divisions to play in. Save the name calling and bitterness for your wife and the simply decision making process at your home.

HOCO is ONE of the top reasons we have all these Grade based lacrosse issues in MD. HOCO started a grade based league when ALL other leagues including NPYLL were age based. Even ALL other HOCO county sports leagues were age based at that time. Of course its a great league. It is funded by Howard County Recreation Department with its organization and fields. You missed the point . These jerks could have had an age based league and it would look exactly like it does with on age players playing high quality lacrosse, just like its BB, Football, Baseball County based leagues are today.
They are Jerks and had ulterior motives. They should go down in the Hall of Shame for Lacrosse for their actions.

It is a shame that holdbacks/prefirsts/reclassed or basically players playing down continue to be an issue with YOUTH Lacrosse.

It is an advantage for sure in youth and to some extent continues onto high school. But for many on age players as puberty kicks in the advantage gets smaller and smaller.

Crabs added another Cali and another Texas kid? Must be great for the kids that have been on the team that he keeps bringing in these kids from out of state.

Evergreen beat Cavs 12-8 in CBLL 8th Grade Box Championship today. Changing of the guard in Loudoun. Evergreen 2-1 against Cavs for the season, including the last two. Looks like HOCO got it wrong. Cavs won’t win a game in 2022 AA. Evergreen will win 2022 A.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs added another Cali and another Texas kid? Must be great for the kids that have been on the team that he keeps bringing in these kids from out of state.

Not a Crabs parent. I don't see the problem with this. Crabs is a "brand" as is Dukes, Sweetlax, Express and others -- including Hawks, Roughriders and Rock which are trying to build multi-state platforms in an effort to expand its footprint and support those organizations such as Hawks/CSE that operate its own tournaments which can benefit by brand identification. This is the trend in youth/H.S. Club lacrosse -- build all-star teams that elevate the brand and enrich the business principals. That will permit the brand to monetize the rationality or irrationality of parents that think that affiliation with the "brand" will make the difference in achieving the goals and aspirations of parents and players. Parents justify enrollment in those programs with full knowledge that you may be recruited over, and that the team will be large in numbers because the brand can command those subscriptions. I am not sure that HOCO should be any different than any tournament that is run in which a brand can pick and choose where it wishes to play. If we locals get feed up we can always encourage our club to form NYPLL version 2.0 and limit participation in whatever manner the subscribing clubs wish.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen beat Cavs 12-8 in CBLL 8th Grade Box Championship today. Changing of the guard in Loudoun. Evergreen 2-1 against Cavs for the season, including the last two. Looks like HOCO got it wrong. Cavs won’t win a game in 2022 AA. Evergreen will win 2022 A.

And no one will care

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs added another Cali and another Texas kid? Must be great for the kids that have been on the team that he keeps bringing in these kids from out of state.

Not a Crabs parent. I don't see the problem with this. Crabs is a "brand" as is Dukes, Sweetlax, Express and others -- including Hawks, Roughriders and Rock which are trying to build multi-state platforms in an effort to expand its footprint and support those organizations such as Hawks/CSE that operate its own tournaments which can benefit by brand identification. This is the trend in youth/H.S. Club lacrosse -- build all-star teams that elevate the brand and enrich the business principals. That will permit the brand to monetize the rationality or irrationality of parents that think that affiliation with the "brand" will make the difference in achieving the goals and aspirations of parents and players. Parents justify enrollment in those programs with full knowledge that you may be recruited over, and that the team will be large in numbers because the brand can command those subscriptions. I am not sure that HOCO should be any different than any tournament that is run in which a brand can pick and choose where it wishes to play. If we locals get feed up we can always encourage our club to form NYPLL version 2.0 and limit participation in whatever manner the subscribing clubs wish.

You’re not wrong. However, the practice of flying in ringers who don’t practice with the team sends a horrible message. You think McClernan or Millon don’t ride kids who miss a practice during the week only to welcome their out of state studs who just show up on game day? I don’t blame the kids or families flying in for middle school lacrosse games, as crazy as I find that, but I do think it is terribly hypocritical to demand the local kids attend every practice, clinic, box training etc. and reward them with the privilege of backing up the stud from CA or TX. I think it says a lot about the brand that the proprietors can’t attract enough local talent to compete with the other clubs. It says even more about the ownership when their are different standards for kids in the programs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Watch out for a strong AA team to move up and challenge the precious elites.

Like who - and please don't say Evergreen.

People stop with this Evergreen crap. They are an over priced rec club playing against weak competition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen beat Cavs 12-8 in CBLL 8th Grade Box Championship today. Changing of the guard in Loudoun. Evergreen 2-1 against Cavs for the season, including the last two. Looks like HOCO got it wrong. Cavs won’t win a game in 2022 AA. Evergreen will win 2022 A.

How many of these Evergreen players also play for the Cavs? What it sounds like you are saying is that Cavs (now basically Evergreen) should have been playing single A all along.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs added another Cali and another Texas kid? Must be great for the kids that have been on the team that he keeps bringing in these kids from out of state.

Not a Crabs parent. I don't see the problem with this. Crabs is a "brand" as is Dukes, Sweetlax, Express and others -- including Hawks, Roughriders and Rock which are trying to build multi-state platforms in an effort to expand its footprint and support those organizations such as Hawks/CSE that operate its own tournaments which can benefit by brand identification. This is the trend in youth/H.S. Club lacrosse -- build all-star teams that elevate the brand and enrich the business principals. That will permit the brand to monetize the rationality or irrationality of parents that think that affiliation with the "brand" will make the difference in achieving the goals and aspirations of parents and players. Parents justify enrollment in those programs with full knowledge that you may be recruited over, and that the team will be large in numbers because the brand can command those subscriptions. I am not sure that HOCO should be any different than any tournament that is run in which a brand can pick and choose where it wishes to play. If we locals get feed up we can always encourage our club to form NYPLL version 2.0 and limit participation in whatever manner the subscribing clubs wish.

You’re not wrong. However, the practice of flying in ringers who don’t practice with the team sends a horrible message. You think McClernan or Millon don’t ride kids who miss a practice during the week only to welcome their out of state studs who just show up on game day? I don’t blame the kids or families flying in for middle school lacrosse games, as crazy as I find that, but I do think it is terribly hypocritical to demand the local kids attend every practice, clinic, box training etc. and reward them with the privilege of backing up the stud from CA or TX. I think it says a lot about the brand that the proprietors can’t attract enough local talent to compete with the other clubs. It says even more about the ownership when their are different standards for kids in the programs.

Very well said. Also, we accepted the spot on the team after tryouts back in August. This was not done with knowledge that RM would continue to bring in more out of state players. If these kids come to tryouts and earn their spot then fine. But don’t form a team and every couple months there are new kids from CA or TX added to the roster. He is still trying to add the Koopers kids which would put the roster over 30 kids. For what?

For what really? It’s about one thing for all these guys money. The more you win the more you can make. If any of the guys running programs as there only form of income tell you any different they are lying.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs added another Cali and another Texas kid? Must be great for the kids that have been on the team that he keeps bringing in these kids from out of state.

Not a Crabs parent. I don't see the problem with this. Crabs is a "brand" as is Dukes, Sweetlax, Express and others -- including Hawks, Roughriders and Rock which are trying to build multi-state platforms in an effort to expand its footprint and support those organizations such as Hawks/CSE that operate its own tournaments which can benefit by brand identification. This is the trend in youth/H.S. Club lacrosse -- build all-star teams that elevate the brand and enrich the business principals. That will permit the brand to monetize the rationality or irrationality of parents that think that affiliation with the "brand" will make the difference in achieving the goals and aspirations of parents and players. Parents justify enrollment in those programs with full knowledge that you may be recruited over, and that the team will be large in numbers because the brand can command those subscriptions. I am not sure that HOCO should be any different than any tournament that is run in which a brand can pick and choose where it wishes to play. If we locals get feed up we can always encourage our club to form NYPLL version 2.0 and limit participation in whatever manner the subscribing clubs wish.

You’re not wrong. However, the practice of flying in ringers who don’t practice with the team sends a horrible message. You think McClernan or Millon don’t ride kids who miss a practice during the week only to welcome their out of state studs who just show up on game day? I don’t blame the kids or families flying in for middle school lacrosse games, as crazy as I find that, but I do think it is terribly hypocritical to demand the local kids attend every practice, clinic, box training etc. and reward them with the privilege of backing up the stud from CA or TX. I think it says a lot about the brand that the proprietors can’t attract enough local talent to compete with the other clubs. It says even more about the ownership when their are different standards for kids in the programs.

Very well said. Also, we accepted the spot on the team after tryouts back in August. This was not done with knowledge that RM would continue to bring in more out of state players. If these kids come to tryouts and earn their spot then fine. But don’t form a team and every couple months there are new kids from CA or TX added to the roster. He is still trying to add the Koopers kids which would put the roster over 30 kids. For what?

Over 30 roster Even high 20's ???? How can all the players get in to play?? I have a hard time believing the roster is that big. With that many players 10 plus players never see the field and 3 to 5 see limited time and 15 to 17 actually play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You’re not wrong. However, the practice of flying in ringers who don’t practice with the team sends a horrible message. You think McClernan or Millon don’t ride kids who miss a practice during the week only to welcome their out of state studs who just show up on game day? I don’t blame the kids or families flying in for middle school lacrosse games, as crazy as I find that, but I do think it is terribly hypocritical to demand the local kids attend every practice, clinic, box training etc. and reward them with the privilege of backing up the stud from CA or TX. I think it says a lot about the brand that the proprietors can’t attract enough local talent to compete with the other clubs. It says even more about the ownership when their are different standards for kids in the programs.

Well said.

Hawks/DCE box scrimmage today? Who won?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks/DCE box scrimmage today? Who won?

Who cares? Different sport.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks/DCE box scrimmage today? Who won?

No Brainer!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You’re not wrong. However, the practice of flying in ringers who don’t practice with the team sends a horrible message. You think McClernan or Millon don’t ride kids who miss a practice during the week only to welcome their out of state studs who just show up on game day? I don’t blame the kids or families flying in for middle school lacrosse games, as crazy as I find that, but I do think it is terribly hypocritical to demand the local kids attend every practice, clinic, box training etc. and reward them with the privilege of backing up the stud from CA or TX. I think it says a lot about the brand that the proprietors can’t attract enough local talent to compete with the other clubs. It says even more about the ownership when their are different standards for kids in the programs.

Well said.

Yes , well said. However, every parent and player on these teams have agreed and chose to play for that particular coach,team and club. Agreed to pay the dues which for most clubs is at least 2,000 now or more. They agree to training, practices, indoor and all the other gear and swag that comes along with it. They also can choose to leave at anytime(but don't) Instead most are just complaining about their decision to accept all of this when it doesn't seem fair at some point for their kid. OR even worse holding a kid back a year so they can know what it is like to be in those shoes of whom they felt cheated the year before. Agree to do it all over for an extra year.(crazy) CHOICES CHOICES CHOICES--
I certainly do not like any of it but I choose to except it and agree to it every year so my kid who loves this sport can play at the level he is capable of playing. What ever level that might be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs added another Cali and another Texas kid? Must be great for the kids that have been on the team that he keeps bringing in these kids from out of state.

Blame the parents that all agree to it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You’re not wrong. However, the practice of flying in ringers who don’t practice with the team sends a horrible message. You think McClernan or Millon don’t ride kids who miss a practice during the week only to welcome their out of state studs who just show up on game day? I don’t blame the kids or families flying in for middle school lacrosse games, as crazy as I find that, but I do think it is terribly hypocritical to demand the local kids attend every practice, clinic, box training etc. and reward them with the privilege of backing up the stud from CA or TX. I think it says a lot about the brand that the proprietors can’t attract enough local talent to compete with the other clubs. It says even more about the ownership when their are different standards for kids in the programs.

Well said.

Yes , well said. However, every parent and player on these teams have agreed and chose to play for that particular coach,team and club. Agreed to pay the dues which for most clubs is at least 2,000 now or more. They agree to training, practices, indoor and all the other gear and swag that comes along with it. They also can choose to leave at anytime(but don't) Instead most are just complaining about their decision to accept all of this when it doesn't seem fair at some point for their kid. OR even worse holding a kid back a year so they can know what it is like to be in those shoes of whom they felt cheated the year before. Agree to do it all over for an extra year.(crazy) CHOICES CHOICES CHOICES--
I certainly do not like any of it but I choose to except it and agree to it every year so my kid who loves this sport can play at the level he is capable of playing. What ever level that might be.

That is exactly right. Non one likes it but everyone has a choice going in and knowing full well what each COACH and club is capable of. Each one of these teams have huge turn outs for try outs or very little. Everyone is guilty and until we all stop paying for it the same thing will happen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs added another Cali and another Texas kid? Must be great for the kids that have been on the team that he keeps bringing in these kids from out of state.

Blame the parents that all agree to it

Agree to what? It’s not like RM asked us if we were approved if he continued to recruit new players from out of state after taking our money to accept a spot on the team after tryouts.

I don’t see other teams adding to their roster since tryouts and even worse since the fall tournaments.

It’s better to play for a Double AA team and get a ton of field play time then a Elite team then get some play time . Parents got to check their ego’s. It’s important year for your kids to get a lot of play time in games for their confidence .The Elite teams are about the money grab it’s sad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s better to play for a Double AA team and get a ton of field play time then a Elite team then get some play time . Parents got to check their ego’s. It’s important year for your kids to get a lot of play time in games for their confidence .The Elite teams are about the money grab it’s sad.

Double AA team - AAAA? You probably mean AA or Double A.

In you case stick to the county Parks and Rec summer camp.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs added another Cali and another Texas kid? Must be great for the kids that have been on the team that he keeps bringing in these kids from out of state.

Blame the parents that all agree to it

Agree to what? It’s not like RM asked us if we were approved if he continued to recruit new players from out of state after taking our money to accept a spot on the team after tryouts.

I don’t see other teams adding to their roster since tryouts and even worse since the fall tournaments.

If you really didn't know that RM operates like that before signing up than that is your fault. He is known to do favors and bring in kids at anytime. Just last summer at the very end in his own Young Guns tournament he brought in players to try and win it .He doesn't have to ask for your approval he is the boss. MM is the same way for all his tournaments last summer his roster was different. Which is a big reason part of team left this year. They all had choices to make.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs added another Cali and another Texas kid? Must be great for the kids that have been on the team that he keeps bringing in these kids from out of state.

Blame the parents that all agree to it

Agree to what? It’s not like RM asked us if we were approved if he continued to recruit new players from out of state after taking our money to accept a spot on the team after tryouts.

I don’t see other teams adding to their roster since tryouts and even worse since the fall tournaments.

If you really didn't know that RM operates like that before signing up than that is your fault. He is known to do favors and bring in kids at anytime. Just last summer at the very end in his own Young Guns tournament he brought in players to try and win it .He doesn't have to ask for your approval he is the boss. MM is the same way for all his tournaments last summer his roster was different. Which is a big reason part of team left this year. They all had choices to make.

I know Madlax has a National team format that in theory allows them to bring in players from other states as Guest players. But in theory they do play for Madlax(FL,OR,) or a partner program which are listed on the website. So you could argue that the parents should be prepared for a new kid to just show up and play with your sons team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs added another Cali and another Texas kid? Must be great for the kids that have been on the team that he keeps bringing in these kids from out of state.

Blame the parents that all agree to it

Agree to what? It’s not like RM asked us if we were approved if he continued to recruit new players from out of state after taking our money to accept a spot on the team after tryouts.

I don’t see other teams adding to their roster since tryouts and even worse since the fall tournaments.

If you really didn't know that RM operates like that before signing up than that is your fault. He is known to do favors and bring in kids at anytime. Just last summer at the very end in his own Young Guns tournament he brought in players to try and win it .He doesn't have to ask for your approval he is the boss. MM is the same way for all his tournaments last summer his roster was different. Which is a big reason part of team left this year. They all had choices to make.

A lot of naive parents out there....Don't buy the hype, go for quality instruction (coaches), great team chemistry and quality lacrosse. Every club/team has its politics, you can never avoid it. Some programs have a brand with a lot of hype but fail to deliver consistently at every age group. Some have abusive (and I don't mean tough) coaches that have no business coaching youth at any level. Paying a coach like that to coach your kids is masochistic. Watch a couple of practices with the coach you're interviewing and see if it fits your family. Caveat Emptor is the phrase of the day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs added another Cali and another Texas kid? Must be great for the kids that have been on the team that he keeps bringing in these kids from out of state.

Blame the parents that all agree to it

Agree to what? It’s not like RM asked us if we were approved if he continued to recruit new players from out of state after taking our money to accept a spot on the team after tryouts.

I don’t see other teams adding to their roster since tryouts and even worse since the fall tournaments.

If you really didn't know that RM operates like that before signing up than that is your fault. He is known to do favors and bring in kids at anytime. Just last summer at the very end in his own Young Guns tournament he brought in players to try and win it .He doesn't have to ask for your approval he is the boss. MM is the same way for all his tournaments last summer his roster was different. Which is a big reason part of team left this year. They all had choices to make.

LOL, RM always tries to engineer his line up and his tournament schedule. Been doing it since day one. PT Barnum said it best "there's a sucker born every moment".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs added another Cali and another Texas kid? Must be great for the kids that have been on the team that he keeps bringing in these kids from out of state.

Blame the parents that all agree to it

Agree to what? It’s not like RM asked us if we were approved if he continued to recruit new players from out of state after taking our money to accept a spot on the team after tryouts.

I don’t see other teams adding to their roster since tryouts and even worse since the fall tournaments.

If you really didn't know that RM operates like that before signing up than that is your fault. He is known to do favors and bring in kids at anytime. Just last summer at the very end in his own Young Guns tournament he brought in players to try and win it .He doesn't have to ask for your approval he is the boss. MM is the same way for all his tournaments last summer his roster was different. Which is a big reason part of team left this year. They all had choices to make.

A lot of naive parents out there....Don't buy the hype, go for quality instruction (coaches), great team chemistry and quality lacrosse. Every club/team has its politics, you can never avoid it. Some programs have a brand with a lot of hype but fail to deliver consistently at every age group. Some have abusive (and I don't mean tough) coaches that have no business coaching youth at any level. Paying a coach like that to coach your kids is masochistic. Watch a couple of practices with the coach you're interviewing and see if it fits your family. Caveat Emptor is the phrase of the day.

This is where Evergreen shines. We tried this club 2 years ago. A new club dedicated to training and the development of players. Cash is still king where you can buy a spot on the Elite teams without a single tryout. Elite players (some of them) have a hard time catching and passing but Daddy paid extra so the player is Elite. Evergreen is a development club keep this in mind. Great fields a lot of top notch training during the week. Players do seem to have fun. Heads up the Director RR won't respond to emails without $$$ in the subject line or if you are a new cash cow errrr player. Players enjoy the coaches, and some coaches without fail will show up to games as a perfect example of 5th year college students - tired and smelling of booze wearing the same shirt as the night before. Not all coaches though. Poor communication, misleading communication, and politics drive most away over to VEL, BattleLax, and other bottom feeders in the NVA. If your son can make the Evergreen team and shine move him to another club to get better. 1st or 2nd year player learning to run and cradle at the same time Evergreen is for you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs added another Cali and another Texas kid? Must be great for the kids that have been on the team that he keeps bringing in these kids from out of state.

Blame the parents that all agree to it

Agree to what? It’s not like RM asked us if we were approved if he continued to recruit new players from out of state after taking our money to accept a spot on the team after tryouts.

I don’t see other teams adding to their roster since tryouts and even worse since the fall tournaments.

If you really didn't know that RM operates like that before signing up than that is your fault. He is known to do favors and bring in kids at anytime. Just last summer at the very end in his own Young Guns tournament he brought in players to try and win it .He doesn't have to ask for your approval he is the boss. MM is the same way for all his tournaments last summer his roster was different. Which is a big reason part of team left this year. They all had choices to make.

LOL, RM always tries to engineer his line up and his tournament schedule. Been doing it since day one. PT Barnum said it best "there's a sucker born every moment".

MM is the same way brought in kids to play in his tournament other summer tourneys.

Buy a spot on an elite team? If kids are flying in from other states most likely they are not paying the club fees or gear or bribing their way onto a team. Maybe a tournament fee but that is it. Some players do actually come for tryouts and make team as a summer player only and their names are on team roster from day 1.Some players have simply moved in the middle of the year, or some other personal tie with the team or coach. Other players are seen the previous year at tournament by a coach or in most cases they are at a CAMP or EVENT run by the particular club. MM runs camps allover the country - RM has events and camps also. Business takes over and the youth sport takes a back seat

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Buy a spot on an elite team? If kids are flying in from other states most likely they are not paying the club fees or gear or bribing their way onto a team. Maybe a tournament fee but that is it. Some players do actually come for tryouts and make team as a summer player only and their names are on team roster from day 1.Some players have simply moved in the middle of the year, or some other personal tie with the team or coach. Other players are seen the previous year at tournament by a coach or in most cases they are at a CAMP or EVENT run by the particular club. MM runs camps allover the country - RM has events and camps also. Business takes over and the youth sport takes a back seat

Its about the brand and winning baby. If your brand name club is getting smoked forget about the developmental kids even if they eventually turn out to be first team D1 AAs (due 100% to to their high school not club coaches). All you do is invite a couple of national superstars to play with you for a tournament or two, take their photo in your club uniform and post it on your website for eternity. Lacrosse parents are like the lemings at the carnival. LOL, keep paying away thousands of dollars for a giant bag of hot air. Hey, its your money and you're getting played like a chump.

Days are chipping away. Season is almost here. The complaining and whining will me nothing. Chumps or no chumps the parents will be restricted to 1 sideline and the players and coaches will do the talking. Excited for some good competitive games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Buy a spot on an elite team? If kids are flying in from other states most likely they are not paying the club fees or gear or bribing their way onto a team. Maybe a tournament fee but that is it. Some players do actually come for tryouts and make team as a summer player only and their names are on team roster from day 1.Some players have simply moved in the middle of the year, or some other personal tie with the team or coach. Other players are seen the previous year at tournament by a coach or in most cases they are at a CAMP or EVENT run by the particular club. MM runs camps allover the country - RM has events and camps also. Business takes over and the youth sport takes a back seat

Its about the brand and winning baby. If your brand name club is getting smoked forget about the developmental kids even if they eventually turn out to be first team D1 AAs (due 100% to to their high school not club coaches). All you do is invite a couple of national superstars to play with you for a tournament or two, take their photo in your club uniform and post it on your website for eternity. Lacrosse parents are like the lemings at the carnival. LOL, keep paying away thousands of dollars for a giant bag of hot air. Hey, its your money and you're getting played like a chump.

What would you do??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Days are chipping away. Season is almost here. The complaining and whining will me nothing. Chumps or no chumps the parents will be restricted to 1 sideline and the players and coaches will do the talking. Excited for some good competitive games.

Do games start after Easter this year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs added another Cali and another Texas kid? Must be great for the kids that have been on the team that he keeps bringing in these kids from out of state.

Blame the parents that all agree to it

Agree to what? It’s not like RM asked us if we were approved if he continued to recruit new players from out of state after taking our money to accept a spot on the team after tryouts.

I don’t see other teams adding to their roster since tryouts and even worse since the fall tournaments.

If you really didn't know that RM operates like that before signing up than that is your fault. He is known to do favors and bring in kids at anytime. Just last summer at the very end in his own Young Guns tournament he brought in players to try and win it .He doesn't have to ask for your approval he is the boss. MM is the same way for all his tournaments last summer his roster was different. Which is a big reason part of team left this year. They all had choices to make.

A lot of naive parents out there....Don't buy the hype, go for quality instruction (coaches), great team chemistry and quality lacrosse. Every club/team has its politics, you can never avoid it. Some programs have a brand with a lot of hype but fail to deliver consistently at every age group. Some have abusive (and I don't mean tough) coaches that have no business coaching youth at any level. Paying a coach like that to coach your kids is masochistic. Watch a couple of practices with the coach you're interviewing and see if it fits your family. Caveat Emptor is the phrase of the day.

This is where Evergreen shines. We tried this club 2 years ago. A new club dedicated to training and the development of players. Cash is still king where you can buy a spot on the Elite teams without a single tryout. Elite players (some of them) have a hard time catching and passing but Daddy paid extra so the player is Elite. Evergreen is a development club keep this in mind. Great fields a lot of top notch training during the week. Players do seem to have fun. Heads up the Director RR won't respond to emails without $$$ in the subject line or if you are a new cash cow errrr player. Players enjoy the coaches, and some coaches without fail will show up to games as a perfect example of 5th year college students - tired and smelling of booze wearing the same shirt as the night before. Not all coaches though. Poor communication, misleading communication, and politics drive most away over to VEL, BattleLax, and other bottom feeders in the NVA. If your son can make the Evergreen team and shine move him to another club to get better. 1st or 2nd year player learning to run and cradle at the same time Evergreen is for you.

Evergreen needs to keep developing. I have been from Florida to Canada with my sons teams over the last 3 years and have never seen Evergreen play or even heard of them until this forum. If Bigfoot is an Elite lacrosse player, he must be wearing an Evergreen Jersey.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Days are chipping away. Season is almost here. The complaining and whining will me nothing. Chumps or no chumps the parents will be restricted to 1 sideline and the players and coaches will do the talking. Excited for some good competitive games.

Do games start after Easter this year?

season starts 3/24-25

Evergreen needs to keep developing. I have been from Florida to Canada with my sons teams over the last 3 years and have never seen Evergreen play or even heard of them until this forum. If Bigfoot is an Elite lacrosse player, he must be wearing an Evergreen Jersey.
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I think you are more likely to see bigfoot than an elite lacrosse player in an Evergreen jersey.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen needs to keep developing. I have been from Florida to Canada with my sons teams over the last 3 years and have never seen Evergreen play or even heard of them until this forum. If Bigfoot is an Elite lacrosse player, he must be wearing an Evergreen Jersey.

I think you are more likely to see bigfoot than an elite lacrosse player in an Evergreen jersey.

No..You are more likely to see Jimmy Hoffa hugging Bigfoot than an elite lacrosse player in an Evergreen jersey!

Site has been quit so I am going to but a bomb out.
I have had the opportunity to see some lax this winter so some predictions.
HAWKS DCE are the 2 finalist for HOCO

very sad to see program continue to bring players from other states to fill their rosters. That has a lot to say about those programs considering we have some of the best talent in the country here.

Coaches make the team. You can have all the talent in the world but if the coaches does not know how to handle it then you have nothing

8th grade year is a good one. Some of the best league aND summer lax you can watch. The kids are at the age that they are good and strong.
Should be great.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Site has been quit so I am going to but a bomb out.
I have had the opportunity to see some lax this winter so some predictions.
HAWKS DCE are the 2 finalist for HOCO

very sad to see program continue to bring players from other states to fill their rosters. That has a lot to say about those programs considering we have some of the best talent in the country here.

Coaches make the team. You can have all the talent in the world but if the coaches does not know how to handle it then you have nothing

8th grade year is a good one. Some of the best league aND summer lax you can watch. The kids are at the age that they are good and strong.
Should be great.

[img]https://goo.gl/images/mPrdzo[/img]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Site has been quit so I am going to but a bomb out.
I have had the opportunity to see some lax this winter so some predictions.
HAWKS DCE are the 2 finalist for HOCO

very sad to see program continue to bring players from other states to fill their rosters. That has a lot to say about those programs considering we have some of the best talent in the country here.

Coaches make the team. You can have all the talent in the world but if the coaches does not know how to handle it then you have nothing

8th grade year is a good one. Some of the best league aND summer lax you can watch. The kids are at the age that they are good and strong.
Should be great.

[img]https://goo.gl/images/mPrdzo[/img]

Prediction: Hawks and DCE are the finalists for the most holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Site has been quit so I am going to but a bomb out.
I have had the opportunity to see some lax this winter so some predictions.
HAWKS DCE are the 2 finalist for HOCO

very sad to see program continue to bring players from other states to fill their rosters. That has a lot to say about those programs considering we have some of the best talent in the country here.

Coaches make the team. You can have all the talent in the world but if the coaches does not know how to handle it then you have nothing

8th grade year is a good one. Some of the best league aND summer lax you can watch. The kids are at the age that they are good and strong.
Should be great.

[img]https://goo.gl/images/mPrdzo[/img]

Prediction: Hawks and DCE are the finalists for the most holdbacks.

If you are still complaining about holdbacks than its going to be another very long year you. Every team has them and they all have about the same amount. So less not try and hide behind it. DCE,HAwks,API,FCA,CRabs ,Dukes,91md,RR--

Prediction: Same [ChillLaxin] parents are the sideline talking trash from the same losing teams! mommy and daddy

Neither of those teams are even close to the most!

Weeks are peeling away. First spring tournaments are right around the corner League play closely behind that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Site has been quit so I am going to but a bomb out.
I have had the opportunity to see some lax this winter so some predictions.
HAWKS DCE are the 2 finalist for HOCO

very sad to see program continue to bring players from other states to fill their rosters. That has a lot to say about those programs considering we have some of the best talent in the country here.

Coaches make the team. You can have all the talent in the world but if the coaches does not know how to handle it then you have nothing

8th grade year is a good one. Some of the best league aND summer lax you can watch. The kids are at the age that they are good and strong.
Should be great.

[img]https://goo.gl/images/mPrdzo[/img]

Prediction: Hawks and DCE are the finalists for the most holdbacks.

If you are still complaining about holdbacks than its going to be another very long year you. Every team has them and they all have about the same amount. So less not try and hide behind it. DCE,HAwks,API,FCA,CRabs ,Dukes,91md,RR--

Prediction: Same [ChillLaxin] parents are the sideline talking trash from the same losing teams! mommy and daddy

Darn parents that think youth lacrosse should be on age, what are they thinking. How will all the prefirsts and holdbacks/reclass get an advantage others dont?? Just doesnt seem fair without an advantage for them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Site has been quit so I am going to but a bomb out.
I have had the opportunity to see some lax this winter so some predictions.
HAWKS DCE are the 2 finalist for HOCO

very sad to see program continue to bring players from other states to fill their rosters. That has a lot to say about those programs considering we have some of the best talent in the country here.

Coaches make the team. You can have all the talent in the world but if the coaches does not know how to handle it then you have nothing

8th grade year is a good one. Some of the best league aND summer lax you can watch. The kids are at the age that they are good and strong.
Should be great.

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Prediction: Hawks and DCE are the finalists for the most holdbacks.

Holdbacks are an excuse for teams that just don’t work as hard. Get out there and put in the work.

Maryland teams DCE md91 PLC and warthogs got smoked this weekend in phllly box tournament

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maryland teams DCE md91 PLC and warthogs got smoked this weekend in phllly box tournament

And?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Weeks are peeling away. First spring tournaments are right around the corner League play closely behind that.

It will be an exciting year for this grade.Looks to be a lot of good teams and competition .
Unless you a regular sore loser, excuse making troll on this site. Then it will be the same as every year for you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maryland teams DCE md91 PLC and warthogs got smoked this weekend in phllly box tournament

And?

Shocker MD box teams are not very good.(they are just now learning the game) However to say they got smoked is an exaggeration . The only real AA Team MD91 made it to the semi finals- DCE team was there B team for this age group.Warthogs are just kids having fun and PLC is an A/B level team that has never played in a box tourney. 2 of these teams had winning records in pool play. Not bad for playing very good real box teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Weeks are peeling away. First spring tournaments are right around the corner League play closely behind that.

It will be an exciting year for this grade.Looks to be a lot of good teams and competition .
Unless you a regular sore loser, excuse making troll on this site. Then it will be the same as every year for you.

Lets hope the parents can contain themselves and we can be solely amused by the coaches on the other sideline. They have over the years provided great entertainment .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Site has been quit so I am going to but a bomb out.
I have had the opportunity to see some lax this winter so some predictions.
HAWKS DCE are the 2 finalist for HOCO

very sad to see program continue to bring players from other states to fill their rosters. That has a lot to say about those programs considering we have some of the best talent in the country here.

Coaches make the team. You can have all the talent in the world but if the coaches does not know how to handle it then you have nothing

8th grade year is a good one. Some of the best league aND summer lax you can watch. The kids are at the age that they are good and strong.
Should be great.

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Prediction: Hawks and DCE are the finalists for the most holdbacks.

Holdbacks are an excuse for teams that just don’t work as hard. Get out there and put in the work.

Hit the wall. Toughen up. Playing against my older players will make you better. That last one is for everyone except us holdbacks

So, which high schools are the top 2022s going to next year.

Any commits yet.

Spalding here. 2020, 2021, 2022 MIAA Champs!!! Book it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So, which high schools are the top 2022s going to next year.

Any commits yet.

Spalding here. 2020, 2021, 2022 MIAA Champs!!! Book it

I need to visit the doctor because I broke my hip after falling off the chair from laughter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So, which high schools are the top 2022s going to next year.

Any commits yet.

Spalding here. 2020, 2021, 2022 MIAA Champs!!! Book it

How make the playoffs first.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So, which high schools are the top 2022s going to next year.

Any commits yet.

Spalding here. 2020, 2021, 2022 MIAA Champs!!! Book it

How make the playoffs first.

How about wine game first..

Calvert Hall,Mcdonogh will be the top teams for the next 4-5 years. Any team not in the Baltimore beltway has a slim chance to win anything. Decades of games have proven that. St Mary.s has won it twice in the last 30 years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So, which high schools are the top 2022s going to next year.

Any commits yet.

Spalding here. 2020, 2021, 2022 MIAA Champs!!! Book it

Might want to beat McD, BL, Loyola, Gilman, StP, Calvert Hall just once and possibly a winning season against MIAA competition just one year before proclaiming them Champs!!!

Saint john’s and DeMatha very strong

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saint john’s and DeMatha very strong

Yes they are both soaring with talent this year

Ryan strikes again. 2 more new players. They'll be at 30 kids very shortly. So much fun for those in state kids. Thanks for joining and paying me the money to fly in the players that will keep you on the bench.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ryan strikes again. 2 more new players. They'll be at 30 kids very shortly. So much fun for those in state kids. Thanks for joining and paying me the money to fly in the players that will keep you on the bench.

You must be new to this club lacrosse game. RM has stacked teams and tournaments from day 1 10 years ago. It's what they do. Crabs saw what the competition was last summer and know what they have to do in order to compete and win. If you are on that team and have blinders on it's your on fault. Please don't come on here crying the blues. Hey , at least your kid gets a cool helmet out of it. And as far as IN STATE kids go, if they were up to snuff they wouldn't be bringing in OUT OF STATE kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ryan strikes again. 2 more new players. They'll be at 30 kids very shortly. So much fun for those in state kids. Thanks for joining and paying me the money to fly in the players that will keep you on the bench.

You must be new to this club lacrosse game. RM has stacked teams and tournaments from day 1 10 years ago. It's what they do. Crabs saw what the competition was last summer and know what they have to do in order to compete and win. If you are on that team and have blinders on it's your on fault. Please don't come on here crying the blues. Hey , at least your kid gets a cool helmet out of it. And as far as IN STATE kids go, if they were up to snuff they wouldn't be bringing in OUT OF STATE kids.

Any decent player can find a spot on another team. Why put up with it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ryan strikes again. 2 more new players. They'll be at 30 kids very shortly. So much fun for those in state kids. Thanks for joining and paying me the money to fly in the players that will keep you on the bench.

You must be new to this club lacrosse game. RM has stacked teams and tournaments from day 1 10 years ago. It's what they do. Crabs saw what the competition was last summer and know what they have to do in order to compete and win. If you are on that team and have blinders on it's your on fault. Please don't come on here crying the blues. Hey , at least your kid gets a cool helmet out of it. And as far as IN STATE kids go, if they were up to snuff they wouldn't be bringing in OUT OF STATE kids.

Sorry...but that Crabs 22 team isn't even that good. Without the "guest" players like the Petro's, they're actually awful.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ryan strikes again. 2 more new players. They'll be at 30 kids very shortly. So much fun for those in state kids. Thanks for joining and paying me the money to fly in the players that will keep you on the bench.

You must be new to this club lacrosse game. RM has stacked teams and tournaments from day 1 10 years ago. It's what they do. Crabs saw what the competition was last summer and know what they have to do in order to compete and win. If you are on that team and have blinders on it's your on fault. Please don't come on here crying the blues. Hey , at least your kid gets a cool helmet out of it. And as far as IN STATE kids go, if they were up to snuff they wouldn't be bringing in OUT OF STATE kids.

Sorry...but that Crabs 22 team isn't even that good. Without the "guest" players like the Petro's, they're actually awful.

Awful is a stretch. Not being a top 5 HoCo team means you are awful now? Get a life.

Crabs will be a top 5 team this year for sure. Even with the crabby parents on the sideline.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ryan strikes again. 2 more new players. They'll be at 30 kids very shortly. So much fun for those in state kids. Thanks for joining and paying me the money to fly in the players that will keep you on the bench.

You must be new to this club lacrosse game. RM has stacked teams and tournaments from day 1 10 years ago. It's what they do. Crabs saw what the competition was last summer and know what they have to do in order to compete and win. If you are on that team and have blinders on it's your on fault. Please don't come on here crying the blues. Hey , at least your kid gets a cool helmet out of it. And as far as IN STATE kids go, if they were up to snuff they wouldn't be bringing in OUT OF STATE kids.

To many "big name coaches" need instant gratification to stroke their egos. Its not about developing individual players or positive coaching for them, its about building the best team as fast as possible, so they can pat themselves on the back and say "look what I did". There is no magic in their coaching. The magic is in their marketing and the stud athletes they are able to convince to play for them. A lot of parents drinking the kool-aid while their kids sit because they think some meathead coach is going to fix that issue through some type of playing/coaching osmosis. A lot of parents with great athletes look the other way when these guys act like complete jerks in front of their kids. The psychosis that comes with struggling under one of these guys is not going to make you kid better. Playing a lot for a decent coach that actually cares about all his players will make them better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To many "big name coaches" need instant gratification to stroke their egos. Its not about developing individual players or positive coaching for them, its about building the best team as fast as possible, so they can pat themselves on the back and say "look what I did". There is no magic in their coaching. The magic is in their marketing and the stud athletes they are able to convince to play for them. A lot of parents drinking the kool-aid while their kids sit because they think some meathead coach is going to fix that issue through some type of playing/coaching osmosis. A lot of parents with great athletes look the other way when these guys act like complete jerks in front of their kids. The psychosis that comes with struggling under one of these guys is not going to make you kid better. Playing a lot for a decent coach that actually cares about all his players will make them better.

This guy nailed it. A lot of these teams pad their numbers with practice dummies and convince parents that their team’s elite record will rub off on their kid if they just “trust the process”. All the while, the process is to give the ball to the stud kids in games and everyone else should know their role, because God forgive, a kid who practices hard but isn’t a go to guy take a shot in 8th grade lacrosse. It could cost the team a W! Please. The sad part is so many have bought into it and the kids get to HS and have never been given an opportunity at the youth level to go make a play when it counts, as if any of this counts for anything more than reppin’ the club and stroking the coaches’ egos when they can say their team is “elite”. Give me a break.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ryan strikes again. 2 more new players. They'll be at 30 kids very shortly. So much fun for those in state kids. Thanks for joining and paying me the money to fly in the players that will keep you on the bench.

You must be new to this club lacrosse game. RM has stacked teams and tournaments from day 1 10 years ago. It's what they do. Crabs saw what the competition was last summer and know what they have to do in order to compete and win. If you are on that team and have blinders on it's your on fault. Please don't come on here crying the blues. Hey , at least your kid gets a cool helmet out of it. And as far as IN STATE kids go, if they were up to snuff they wouldn't be bringing in OUT OF STATE kids.

Sorry...but that Crabs 22 team isn't even that good. Without the "guest" players like the Petro's, they're actually awful.

C'mon. They aren't awful. There is a lot of talent there. The problem is that they haven't really been coached in the 4 years they been in the program. As is evident this year more than ever, the Crabs model is to bring in better kids, not to develop the talented kids that they already have. There are a few good coaches in the Crabs program. Unfortunately for this particular team, they've never gotten to play for any of them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To many "big name coaches" need instant gratification to stroke their egos. Its not about developing individual players or positive coaching for them, its about building the best team as fast as possible, so they can pat themselves on the back and say "look what I did". There is no magic in their coaching. The magic is in their marketing and the stud athletes they are able to convince to play for them. A lot of parents drinking the kool-aid while their kids sit because they think some meathead coach is going to fix that issue through some type of playing/coaching osmosis. A lot of parents with great athletes look the other way when these guys act like complete jerks in front of their kids. The psychosis that comes with struggling under one of these guys is not going to make you kid better. Playing a lot for a decent coach that actually cares about all his players will make them better.

This guy nailed it. A lot of these teams pad their numbers with practice dummies and convince parents that their team’s elite record will rub off on their kid if they just “trust the process”. All the while, the process is to give the ball to the stud kids in games and everyone else should know their role, because God forgive, a kid who practices hard but isn’t a go to guy take a shot in 8th grade lacrosse. It could cost the team a W! Please. The sad part is so many have bought into it and the kids get to HS and have never been given an opportunity at the youth level to go make a play when it counts, as if any of this counts for anything more than reppin’ the club and stroking the coaches’ egos when they can say their team is “elite”. Give me a break.

This is such B.S. and many of you winey parents obviously never played the game. The coaches don't give the ball to the studs the top players go get the ball and earn it. Coaches may design an offense but the players execute and make plays. You get better playing with great players. I know many players that may not have been a the top of the stat chart in 8th grade who went on to become D1 players. The key is talk to your son if he is enjoying the team great if not don't sign up and pay. Many kids learn and push themselves at practice to get better and learn by playing with other great players. It sounds like you get bitter on the sidelines if your son is not the leading scorer on the team but it is not about you. No one cares about you. If your son is not happy than yes move to another team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ryan strikes again. 2 more new players. They'll be at 30 kids very shortly. So much fun for those in state kids. Thanks for joining and paying me the money to fly in the players that will keep you on the bench.

You must be new to this club lacrosse game. RM has stacked teams and tournaments from day 1 10 years ago. It's what they do. Crabs saw what the competition was last summer and know what they have to do in order to compete and win. If you are on that team and have blinders on it's your on fault. Please don't come on here crying the blues. Hey , at least your kid gets a cool helmet out of it. And as far as IN STATE kids go, if they were up to snuff they wouldn't be bringing in OUT OF STATE kids.

Sorry...but that Crabs 22 team isn't even that good. Without the "guest" players like the Petro's, they're actually awful.

C'mon. They aren't awful. There is a lot of talent there. The problem is that they haven't really been coached in the 4 years they been in the program. As is evident this year more than ever, the Crabs model is to bring in better kids, not to develop the talented kids that they already have. There are a few good coaches in the Crabs program. Unfortunately for this particular team, they've never gotten to play for any of them.

You ain't kidding. And the kids that they are bringing in from Texas are well known and are STUDS -- particularly the left handed attackman that has been regularly playing at the 20/21 levels from his local club. He (and the other recruits) have made frequent appearances in our area and nearby courtesy of NLF events. They will be very competitive (and potentially the best in the elite division) IF all of these kids make it in on game day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ryan strikes again. 2 more new players. They'll be at 30 kids very shortly. So much fun for those in state kids. Thanks for joining and paying me the money to fly in the players that will keep you on the bench.

You must be new to this club lacrosse game. RM has stacked teams and tournaments from day 1 10 years ago. It's what they do. Crabs saw what the competition was last summer and know what they have to do in order to compete and win. If you are on that team and have blinders on it's your on fault. Please don't come on here crying the blues. Hey , at least your kid gets a cool helmet out of it. And as far as IN STATE kids go, if they were up to snuff they wouldn't be bringing in OUT OF STATE kids.

Sorry...but that Crabs 22 team isn't even that good. Without the "guest" players like the Petro's, they're actually awful.

C'mon. They aren't awful. There is a lot of talent there. The problem is that they haven't really been coached in the 4 years they been in the program. As is evident this year more than ever, the Crabs model is to bring in better kids, not to develop the talented kids that they already have. There are a few good coaches in the Crabs program. Unfortunately for this particular team, they've never gotten to play for any of them.

You ain't kidding. And the kids that they are bringing in from Texas are well known and are STUDS -- particularly the left handed attackman that has been regularly playing at the 20/21 levels from his local club. He (and the other recruits) have made frequent appearances in our area and nearby courtesy of NLF events. They will be very competitive (and potentially the best in the elite division) IF all of these kids make it in on game day.

Flying in for a weekend for a summer tournament is one thing. Are people really flying in from Texas and Florida for a single game on a Saturday afternoon in the spring?

They better fly, train, bus ,Uber everyone they can get because they will need it! I hope one of them is a goalie too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ryan strikes again. 2 more new players. They'll be at 30 kids very shortly. So much fun for those in state kids. Thanks for joining and paying me the money to fly in the players that will keep you on the bench.

You must be new to this club lacrosse game. RM has stacked teams and tournaments from day 1 10 years ago. It's what they do. Crabs saw what the competition was last summer and know what they have to do in order to compete and win. If you are on that team and have blinders on it's your on fault. Please don't come on here crying the blues. Hey , at least your kid gets a cool helmet out of it. And as far as IN STATE kids go, if they were up to snuff they wouldn't be bringing in OUT OF STATE kids.

Sorry...but that Crabs 22 team isn't even that good. Without the "guest" players like the Petro's, they're actually awful.

C'mon. They aren't awful. There is a lot of talent there. The problem is that they haven't really been coached in the 4 years they been in the program. As is evident this year more than ever, the Crabs model is to bring in better kids, not to develop the talented kids that they already have. There are a few good coaches in the Crabs program. Unfortunately for this particular team, they've never gotten to play for any of them.

You ain't kidding. And the kids that they are bringing in from Texas are well known and are STUDS -- particularly the left handed attackman that has been regularly playing at the 20/21 levels from his local club. He (and the other recruits) have made frequent appearances in our area and nearby courtesy of NLF events. They will be very competitive (and potentially the best in the elite division) IF all of these kids make it in on game day.

Flying in for a weekend for a summer tournament is one thing. Are people really flying in from Texas and Florida for a single game on a Saturday afternoon in the spring?

Where have you been hiding? Millon hands out Southwest Airlines credit cards at Team 91 Texas tryouts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To many "big name coaches" need instant gratification to stroke their egos. Its not about developing individual players or positive coaching for them, its about building the best team as fast as possible, so they can pat themselves on the back and say "look what I did". There is no magic in their coaching. The magic is in their marketing and the stud athletes they are able to convince to play for them. A lot of parents drinking the kool-aid while their kids sit because they think some meathead coach is going to fix that issue through some type of playing/coaching osmosis. A lot of parents with great athletes look the other way when these guys act like complete jerks in front of their kids. The psychosis that comes with struggling under one of these guys is not going to make you kid better. Playing a lot for a decent coach that actually cares about all his players will make them better.

This guy nailed it. A lot of these teams pad their numbers with practice dummies and convince parents that their team’s elite record will rub off on their kid if they just “trust the process”. All the while, the process is to give the ball to the stud kids in games and everyone else should know their role, because God forgive, a kid who practices hard but isn’t a go to guy take a shot in 8th grade lacrosse. It could cost the team a W! Please. The sad part is so many have bought into it and the kids get to HS and have never been given an opportunity at the youth level to go make a play when it counts, as if any of this counts for anything more than reppin’ the club and stroking the coaches’ egos when they can say their team is “elite”. Give me a break.

This is such B.S. and many of you winey parents obviously never played the game. The coaches don't give the ball to the studs the top players go get the ball and earn it. Coaches may design an offense but the players execute and make plays. You get better playing with great players. I know many players that may not have been a the top of the stat chart in 8th grade who went on to become D1 players. The key is talk to your son if he is enjoying the team great if not don't sign up and pay. Many kids learn and push themselves at practice to get better and learn by playing with other great players. It sounds like you get bitter on the sidelines if your son is not the leading scorer on the team but it is not about you. No one cares about you. If your son is not happy than yes move to another team.

^Spoken like one of the aforementioned type coaches defending yourself, or just a super gung-[ChillLaxin] parent that truly has no clue what goes on in some of these clubs. The guy that replied with the quote "Trust the process" clearly knows whats up and has experience with one of the absolute worst of these youth coaches.

"Trust the process" and watch an unscrupulous club take your money and then recruit once the team roster is set. Hey, what's to stop a top club from doing what the D1 HCs do, put 50 on a roster. In the recruiting wars its more about I want the top 50 guys so you can't have them.....

So if you had a 22 who should they play for? Is anyone "doing it right?"

Any good early season scrimmage games or tournament games coming up?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So if you had a 22 who should they play for? Is anyone "doing it right?"

You’ve come to the wrong place to ask that question.

DC Express!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any good early season scrimmage games or tournament games coming up?

Next Level event on 3/11 should be an early indicator for some teams. DCE Club Blue NL Madlax VLC and others will be there

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So if you had a 22 who should they play for? Is anyone "doing it right?"

You’ve come to the wrong place to ask that question.

every club has a crazy coach, uses holdbacks, flies kids up from Texas and has the worst parents...i think that covers about all of it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any good early season scrimmage games or tournament games coming up?

Next Level event on 3/11 should be an early indicator for some teams. DCE Club Blue NL Madlax VLC and others will be there

Where is this being played?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any good early season scrimmage games or tournament games coming up?

Next Level event on 3/11 should be an early indicator for some teams. DCE Club Blue NL Madlax VLC and others will be there

Where is this being played?

https://nextlevelspartans.com/boys/tournaments/

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So if you had a 22 who should they play for? Is anyone "doing it right?"

No brainer...If good enough...Crabs! If not...any of the rest

What teams are playing in the league at St.Pauls?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So if you had a 22 who should they play for? Is anyone "doing it right?"

No brainer...If good enough...Crabs! If not...any of the rest

Poor business practices. Nice practice facilities. Mainly nice parents. Average coaching. Formulaic. Subject to replacement at any moment due to brand centric nature of business plan. Agree that before club expansions, they WERE the Mercedes Benz of clubs. Now a very good "import" but made in Japan.

Lots of good competitive clubs at all levels. I would suggest that you not subject your son to mindless driving great distances for a club, but try to stay local and support his educational requirements, while at the same time giving him the opportunity to compete at an appropriate level. If you son is able to play for an MIAA-A team in high school, that will be his most direct path to success in terms of numbers of opportunity to play in college. Club is no "guarantee" of placement, but can help if the program director is "respected" by college coaches approached which is a big "if" these days. College coaches generally dislike clubs and their growth and are staging a sort of rebellion against them by running their own camps, evaluations and events outside of the club circuits. No club organized recruiting events are a good means of assistant coaches to earn a fee without doing much. A VERY complicated world has emerged. MIAA-A schools have superior guidance departments and awareness of enrollment requirements and can exert influence in process. Need grades and test scores -- of course -- but can be a great resource to place your son both academically and athletically. Clubs used to be the way, but that is now changing somewhat. Will be interesting to see how all of this shakes out in the next few years. (Same analysis is applicable to WCAC and other "power" conferences).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So if you had a 22 who should they play for? Is anyone "doing it right?"

No brainer...If good enough...Crabs! If not...any of the rest

Poor business practices. Nice practice facilities. Mainly nice parents. Average coaching. Formulaic. Subject to replacement at any moment due to brand centric nature of business plan. Agree that before club expansions, they WERE the Mercedes Benz of clubs. Now a very good "import" but made in Japan.

Lots of good competitive clubs at all levels. I would suggest that you not subject your son to mindless driving great distances for a club, but try to stay local and support his educational requirements, while at the same time giving him the opportunity to compete at an appropriate level. If you son is able to play for an MIAA-A team in high school, that will be his most direct path to success in terms of numbers of opportunity to play in college. Club is no "guarantee" of placement, but can help if the program director is "respected" by college coaches approached which is a big "if" these days. College coaches generally dislike clubs and their growth and are staging a sort of rebellion against them by running their own camps, evaluations and events outside of the club circuits. No club organized recruiting events are a good means of assistant coaches to earn a fee without doing much. A VERY complicated world has emerged. MIAA-A schools have superior guidance departments and awareness of enrollment requirements and can exert influence in process. Need grades and test scores -- of course -- but can be a great resource to place your son both academically and athletically. Clubs used to be the way, but that is now changing somewhat. Will be interesting to see how all of this shakes out in the next few years. (Same analysis is applicable to WCAC and other "power" conferences).

I agree that playing for a MIAA-A school is the best bet for college placement. Same for some other Private school leagues. But what is the best way for a Public high school kid with good grades on a avg high school team?
Top Club team, Prospect days, or showcases or all of them.

Top club team and targeted camps/prospect days.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So if you had a 22 who should they play for? Is anyone "doing it right?"

No brainer...If good enough...Crabs! If not...any of the rest

Poor business practices. Nice practice facilities. Mainly nice parents. Average coaching. Formulaic. Subject to replacement at any moment due to brand centric nature of business plan. Agree that before club expansions, they WERE the Mercedes Benz of clubs. Now a very good "import" but made in Japan.

Lots of good competitive clubs at all levels. I would suggest that you not subject your son to mindless driving great distances for a club, but try to stay local and support his educational requirements, while at the same time giving him the opportunity to compete at an appropriate level. If you son is able to play for an MIAA-A team in high school, that will be his most direct path to success in terms of numbers of opportunity to play in college. Club is no "guarantee" of placement, but can help if the program director is "respected" by college coaches approached which is a big "if" these days. College coaches generally dislike clubs and their growth and are staging a sort of rebellion against them by running their own camps, evaluations and events outside of the club circuits. No club organized recruiting events are a good means of assistant coaches to earn a fee without doing much. A VERY complicated world has emerged. MIAA-A schools have superior guidance departments and awareness of enrollment requirements and can exert influence in process. Need grades and test scores -- of course -- but can be a great resource to place your son both academically and athletically. Clubs used to be the way, but that is now changing somewhat. Will be interesting to see how all of this shakes out in the next few years. (Same analysis is applicable to WCAC and other "power" conferences).

I agree that playing for a MIAA-A school is the best bet for college placement. Same for some other Private school leagues. But what is the best way for a Public high school kid with good grades on a avg high school team?
Top Club team, Prospect days, or showcases or all of them.

Coaches will find great players even if they aren't in the MIAA. They need to be on a top tier club that exposes and promotes their kids. They need to be on a team where they can showcase their talent, not ride the bench. Showcase and prospect days, but not for another year or two for this group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So if you had a 22 who should they play for? Is anyone "doing it right?"

No brainer...If good enough...Crabs! If not...any of the rest

Poor business practices. Nice practice facilities. Mainly nice parents. Average coaching. Formulaic. Subject to replacement at any moment due to brand centric nature of business plan. Agree that before club expansions, they WERE the Mercedes Benz of clubs. Now a very good "import" but made in Japan.

Lots of good competitive clubs at all levels. I would suggest that you not subject your son to mindless driving great distances for a club, but try to stay local and support his educational requirements, while at the same time giving him the opportunity to compete at an appropriate level. If you son is able to play for an MIAA-A team in high school, that will be his most direct path to success in terms of numbers of opportunity to play in college. Club is no "guarantee" of placement, but can help if the program director is "respected" by college coaches approached which is a big "if" these days. College coaches generally dislike clubs and their growth and are staging a sort of rebellion against them by running their own camps, evaluations and events outside of the club circuits. No club organized recruiting events are a good means of assistant coaches to earn a fee without doing much. A VERY complicated world has emerged. MIAA-A schools have superior guidance departments and awareness of enrollment requirements and can exert influence in process. Need grades and test scores -- of course -- but can be a great resource to place your son both academically and athletically. Clubs used to be the way, but that is now changing somewhat. Will be interesting to see how all of this shakes out in the next few years. (Same analysis is applicable to WCAC and other "power" conferences).

I agree that playing for a MIAA-A school is the best bet for college placement. Same for some other Private school leagues. But what is the best way for a Public high school kid with good grades on a avg high school team?
Top Club team, Prospect days, or showcases or all of them.

Coaches will find great players even if they aren't in the MIAA. They need to be on a top tier club that exposes and promotes their kids. They need to be on a team where they can showcase their talent, not ride the bench. Showcase and prospect days, but not for another year or two for this group.

Agree with all of this. Though whether a public school HS coach or a private school coach, all of that community/fraternity know each other, and can send video and commentary to ANY coach on behalf of a potential recruit -- as effectively as any club coach or organization. Case in point is a kid from a very average HS that I know that did not play on a club, but who had the full endorsement of his head coach -- a veteran of 25 years coaching at every level. These guys know each other and operate in a very small community/fraternity as can easily be observed at the several conventions held each year in Baltimore. This Coach reached out through his contracts to the service academies for the kid and he was eventually able to steer him into a USMA invite to campus where he worked out and was recruited.

There are so many ways to expose a prospect. There is no one right or more effective path. Point being that club lacrosse is just another and very uncertain path. It has yet to demonstrate supremacy of the process. I still contend that if you play in a power league in HS, every coach of note will know that you play, for example, in the MIAA-A or WCAC or in a public school in AA, Baltimore, Montgomery or Fairfax counties. Cheap to research, and even cheaper to send an email to the HS head coach. Of course, you should have a video available and sell yourself once introduced by making a trip to a college of choice and working out in the manner that such college of choice wishes you to workout. Showcases = crap shoots. No demonstrable metrics as to results at this point. Prospect days are similar. They each represent trying to find the "diamonds in the rough". Guidance office + head coach + campus visits are as effective as you can get at this point, though alternatives, as noted exist. Truthfully tougher for kids that don't play regularly in the "hotbeds" which force a good number of those kids to schools that board, or attempt to gain attention through a willingness to transfer or perhaps do a PG year.

Any thought on miaa B or C schools? Quaility of lacrosse?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So if you had a 22 who should they play for? Is anyone "doing it right?"

No brainer...If good enough...Crabs! If not...any of the rest

Poor business practices. Nice practice facilities. Mainly nice parents. Average coaching. Formulaic. Subject to replacement at any moment due to brand centric nature of business plan. Agree that before club expansions, they WERE the Mercedes Benz of clubs. Now a very good "import" but made in Japan.

Lots of good competitive clubs at all levels. I would suggest that you not subject your son to mindless driving great distances for a club, but try to stay local and support his educational requirements, while at the same time giving him the opportunity to compete at an appropriate level. If you son is able to play for an MIAA-A team in high school, that will be his most direct path to success in terms of numbers of opportunity to play in college. Club is no "guarantee" of placement, but can help if the program director is "respected" by college coaches approached which is a big "if" these days. College coaches generally dislike clubs and their growth and are staging a sort of rebellion against them by running their own camps, evaluations and events outside of the club circuits. No club organized recruiting events are a good means of assistant coaches to earn a fee without doing much. A VERY complicated world has emerged. MIAA-A schools have superior guidance departments and awareness of enrollment requirements and can exert influence in process. Need grades and test scores -- of course -- but can be a great resource to place your son both academically and athletically. Clubs used to be the way, but that is now changing somewhat. Will be interesting to see how all of this shakes out in the next few years. (Same analysis is applicable to WCAC and other "power" conferences).

I agree that playing for a MIAA-A school is the best bet for college placement. Same for some other Private school leagues. But what is the best way for a Public high school kid with good grades on a avg high school team?
Top Club team, Prospect days, or showcases or all of them.

Coaches will find great players even if they aren't in the MIAA. They need to be on a top tier club that exposes and promotes their kids. They need to be on a team where they can showcase their talent, not ride the bench. Showcase and prospect days, but not for another year or two for this group.

Agree with all of this. Though whether a public school HS coach or a private school coach, all of that community/fraternity know each other, and can send video and commentary to ANY coach on behalf of a potential recruit -- as effectively as any club coach or organization. Case in point is a kid from a very average HS that I know that did not play on a club, but who had the full endorsement of his head coach -- a veteran of 25 years coaching at every level. These guys know each other and operate in a very small community/fraternity as can easily be observed at the several conventions held each year in Baltimore. This Coach reached out through his contracts to the service academies for the kid and he was eventually able to steer him into a USMA invite to campus where he worked out and was recruited.

There are so many ways to expose a prospect. There is no one right or more effective path. Point being that club lacrosse is just another and very uncertain path. It has yet to demonstrate supremacy of the process. I still contend that if you play in a power league in HS, every coach of note will know that you play, for example, in the MIAA-A or WCAC or in a public school in AA, Baltimore, Montgomery or Fairfax counties. Cheap to research, and even cheaper to send an email to the HS head coach. Of course, you should have a video available and sell yourself once introduced by making a trip to a college of choice and working out in the manner that such college of choice wishes you to workout. Showcases = crap shoots. No demonstrable metrics as to results at this point. Prospect days are similar. They each represent trying to find the "diamonds in the rough". Guidance office + head coach + campus visits are as effective as you can get at this point, though alternatives, as noted exist. Truthfully tougher for kids that don't play regularly in the "hotbeds" which force a good number of those kids to schools that board, or attempt to gain attention through a willingness to transfer or perhaps do a PG year.

When you say visit I agree but I would say a visit followed up with you playing for this schools prospect day is a great way to get on that roster. Because no coach will go all in from Video and other coaches saying he is great. They will want to see your son up close and personal. So I guess I am saying step 1. Get video step 2. reach out to schools you think you fit 3. If they reach back schedule visit and inform what prospect day you are coming to there school. These steps are what I would say work best for the D2 and D3 kids for sure. The D1 kids are found because they are who they are. They pop out on every field they play on at all times. Its like Po*n you know when you see it. There is no definition.

Why did 3d 2022 disappear? They did well in Hoco AA league. Seems like club was on way up and not the way out. Where did kids go? I know Brooks left, was that what killed it?

RM will have his team ready in the Spring. He's importing key components from TX and is drilling the rest of boys hard. Look for only the best to play and the rest to ride the pine. You're either part of the future or you're not. No one cares how much you paid. This is about the brand (club and personal). A lot of these club coaches will be shocked how much this Crab team has improved.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

RM will have his team ready in the Spring. He's importing key components from TX and is drilling the rest of boys hard. Look for only the best to play and the rest to ride the pine. You're either part of the future or you're not. No one cares how much you paid. This is about the brand (club and personal). A lot of these club coaches will be shocked how much this Crab team has improved.

Shocked? Everyone is expecting them to be legit as they always are for 8th grade year. This is the time RM makes no bones about what he is willing to do to win games for his brand. If by future you mean this spring> because he will have a completely different roster for the summer. Its never about the money for Crabs or their parents , they want to win by what ever means necessary . With all that said I hope your kid is one of the studs if not he will not be around come summer. I think most will feel shocked if they don't win everything this year. It will be very disappointing when they lose. In fact it will be a SHOCK'

Spring Tournaments / Play days
Whose doing what?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

RM will have his team ready in the Spring. He's importing key components from TX and is drilling the rest of boys hard. Look for only the best to play and the rest to ride the pine. You're either part of the future or you're not. No one cares how much you paid. This is about the brand (club and personal). A lot of these club coaches will be shocked how much this Crab team has improved.

Shocked? Everyone is expecting them to be legit as they always are for 8th grade year. This is the time RM makes no bones about what he is willing to do to win games for his brand. If by future you mean this spring> because he will have a completely different roster for the summer. Its never about the money for Crabs or their parents , they want to win by what ever means necessary . With all that said I hope your kid is one of the studs if not he will not be around come summer. I think most will feel shocked if they don't win everything this year. It will be very disappointing when they lose. In fact it will be a SHOCK'

They still don't have a FOGO which has been their biggest issue all these years. Hard to beat good teams when you never have the ball.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why did 3d 2022 disappear? They did well in Hoco AA league. Seems like club was on way up and not the way out. Where did kids go? I know Brooks left, was that what killed it?

Too many teams and not enough travel players in Northern Virginia. Madlax folded the DMV team at 2023.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why did 3d 2022 disappear? They did well in Hoco AA league. Seems like club was on way up and not the way out. Where did kids go? I know Brooks left, was that what killed it?

Too many teams and not enough travel players in Northern Virginia. Madlax folded the DMV team at 2023.

Good Madlax needs to just go to the one team model and keep 30 kids like VLC does.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

RM will have his team ready in the Spring. He's importing key components from TX and is drilling the rest of boys hard. Look for only the best to play and the rest to ride the pine. You're either part of the future or you're not. No one cares how much you paid. This is about the brand (club and personal). A lot of these club coaches will be shocked how much this Crab team has improved.

Shocked? Everyone is expecting them to be legit as they always are for 8th grade year. This is the time RM makes no bones about what he is willing to do to win games for his brand. If by future you mean this spring> because he will have a completely different roster for the summer. Its never about the money for Crabs or their parents , they want to win by what ever means necessary . With all that said I hope your kid is one of the studs if not he will not be around come summer. I think most will feel shocked if they don't win everything this year. It will be very disappointing when they lose. In fact it will be a SHOCK'

RM always stocks up with studs. Most will be 1-2 years older than on age 8th graders. Every year same pattern. Holdbacks holdbacks holdbacks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why did 3d 2022 disappear? They did well in Hoco AA league. Seems like club was on way up and not the way out. Where did kids go? I know Brooks left, was that what killed it?

Too many teams and not enough travel players in Northern Virginia. Madlax folded the DMV team at 2023.

Good Madlax needs to just go to the one team model and keep 30 kids like VLC does.

You are a weirdo, Madlax guy. VLC has never had 30 guys on the roster. In this current year, the most any team has is 24 or 25. Madlax tries to have multiple teams for every grade. Why? To make money for themselves.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen needs to keep developing. I have been from Florida to Canada with my sons teams over the last 3 years and have never seen Evergreen play or even heard of them until this forum. If Bigfoot is an Elite lacrosse player, he must be wearing an Evergreen Jersey.

I think you are more likely to see bigfoot than an elite lacrosse player in an Evergreen jersey.

No..You are more likely to see Jimmy Hoffa hugging Bigfoot than an elite lacrosse player in an Evergreen jersey!

Never heard of Evergreen. I have heard of bigfoot. I think he plays for the Hawks this year as a 30 year holdback.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Evergreen needs to keep developing. I have been from Florida to Canada with my sons teams over the last 3 years and have never seen Evergreen play or even heard of them until this forum. If Bigfoot is an Elite lacrosse player, he must be wearing an Evergreen Jersey.

I think you are more likely to see bigfoot than an elite lacrosse player in an Evergreen jersey.

No..You are more likely to see Jimmy Hoffa hugging Bigfoot than an elite lacrosse player in an Evergreen jersey!

Never heard of Evergreen. I have heard of bigfoot. I think he plays for the Hawks this year as a 30 year holdback.

*** crickets. ***

Dukes/Koopers
DCE
Crabs
Hawks
RR
FCA
91MD
MadLax
API
Next Level

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes/Koopers
DCE
Crabs
Hawks
RR
FCA
91MD
MadLax
API
Next Level

Answer: what are teams not as good as Evergreen

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes/Koopers
DCE
Crabs
Hawks
RR
FCA
91MD
MadLax
API
Next Level

Answer: what are teams not as good as Evergreen

Well, Evergreen 2022 is better than Cavs 2022. Cavs in the rear view mirror now and losing ground, especially in this age group.hxt

Cavs 2022 pulls out of Next Level tournament everyone else is attending. LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavs 2022 pulls out of Next Level tournament everyone else is attending. LOL

Cavs is looking for that NVYLL IceBreaker tournament. Maybe they can play the Fairfax Police 14U B Team which would still be better than the competition they usually play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavs 2022 pulls out of Next Level tournament everyone else is attending. LOL

Get real. Why do they want to waste their time with substandard teams.

Will the mods on here get a clue and please start a Virginia forum. Nothing against VA, but I don't want to read about VA, NoVA teams on the MD Forum any longer. Thanks in advance!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will the mods on here get a clue and please start a Virginia forum. Nothing against VA, but I don't want to read about VA, NoVA teams on the MD Forum any longer. Thanks in advance!!!!

STFU, Baltimoron

Cavs 2022
Evergreen 2022
Dukes/Koopers
DCE
Crabs
Hawks
RR
FCA
91MD
MadLax
API
Next Level

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavs 2022
Evergreen 2022
Dukes/Koopers
DCE
Crabs
Hawks
RR
FCA
91MD
MadLax
API
Next Level

Cavs and Evergreen are playing in the C division which is exactly where they should be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will the mods on here get a clue and please start a Virginia forum. Nothing against VA, but I don't want to read about VA, NoVA teams on the MD Forum any longer. Thanks in advance!!!!

STFU, Baltimoron

Really? Because a rednech hillbilly southern hick said to? Don't think so. Now go shuffle back to your area and plead with admin to give you your own forum and you can stay the he*l out of the Maryland forum. Ou aren't needed here.

What does the divisions look like? Can someone post that has that type access? Is there already a list of teams for each division?
A real list , not someones best guess

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will the mods on here get a clue and please start a Virginia forum. Nothing against VA, but I don't want to read about VA, NoVA teams on the MD Forum any longer. Thanks in advance!!!!

STFU, Baltimoron

Really? Because a rednech hillbilly southern hick said to? Don't think so. Now go shuffle back to your area and plead with admin to give you your own forum and you can stay the he*l out of the Maryland forum. Ou aren't needed here.

LOL. Which area has more RN - Northern VA or Baltimore/Annr Arundel counties?

NOVA has 4 of the top 10 wealthiest counties in the nation. Baltimore is the armpit of the East Coast.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavs 2022
Evergreen 2022
Dukes/Koopers
DCE
Crabs
Hawks
RR
FCA
91MD
MadLax
API
Next Level

What has happened to API?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will the mods on here get a clue and please start a Virginia forum. Nothing against VA, but I don't want to read about VA, NoVA teams on the MD Forum any longer. Thanks in advance!!!!

STFU, Baltimoron

Really? Because a rednech hillbilly southern hick said to? Don't think so. Now go shuffle back to your area and plead with admin to give you your own forum and you can stay the he*l out of the Maryland forum. . Ou aren't needed here.

LOL. Which area has more RN - Northern VA or Baltimore/Annr Arundel counties?

NOVA has 4 of the top 10 wealthiest counties in the nation. Baltimore is the armpit of the East Coast.

Without a question, Northern Va. Since you live there you should know this. Armpit, that's funny, seems it is better to be that than the as*shole of the East Coast, no wait, the Nation. Now, beg for your own forum and just go away and stay away.

2022 Elite

Team 91
DC Express Black
API Diamond Backs
FCA Blue
Crabs
Annapolis Hawks
Koopers
Madlax Capitol
Roughriders
Next Level Blue

2022 AA

DC Express Orange
Cannons Select
FCA White
Rock
Lax Factory
Club Blue
Thunder
Koopers
VLC
Peninsula
LOONEYS
CAVALIER

2022 A

Sidewinders
HoCo
Zingos
Rockfish Silver
Hereford (HLC)
USS Destroyers
Breakers
MDX
Revolution
Evergreen

2022 B

SCYL
Greene Turtle
Breakers
MD Wolfpack
Green Hornets
Madlax DMV
STARZ
Next Level Red

Next Level has no business in the top division. Winless last year. Played in lower division in 2016. Winless in NPLL in 2015.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level has no business in the top division. Winless last year. Played in lower division in 2016. Winless in NPLL in 2015.

I have heard the Dukes 2022 will be playing in this Elite Division as well; that a very good team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level has no business in the top division. Winless last year. Played in lower division in 2016. Winless in NPLL in 2015.

I have heard the Dukes 2022 will be playing in this Elite Division as well; that a very good team.

That's what the Koopers team is in the Elite division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level has no business in the top division. Winless last year. Played in lower division in 2016. Winless in NPLL in 2015.

I have heard the Dukes 2022 will be playing in this Elite Division as well; that a very good team.

Dukes is Koopers.
Are any teams playing in the St. PAULS league?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level has no business in the top division. Winless last year. Played in lower division in 2016. Winless in NPLL in 2015.

I have heard the Dukes 2022 will be playing in this Elite Division as well; that a very good team.

Dukes is Koopers.
Are any teams playing in the St. PAULS league?

Yes. Supposed to be a decent league like 2 years ago.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level has no business in the top division. Winless last year. Played in lower division in 2016. Winless in NPLL in 2015.

Worry about your own team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will the mods on here get a clue and please start a Virginia forum. Nothing against VA, but I don't want to read about VA, NoVA teams on the MD Forum any longer. Thanks in advance!!!!

STFU, Baltimoron

Really? Because a rednech hillbilly southern hick said to? Don't think so. Now go shuffle back to your area and plead with admin to give you your own forum and you can stay the he*l out of the Maryland forum. . Ou aren't needed here.

LOL. Which area has more RN - Northern VA or Baltimore/Annr Arundel counties?

NOVA has 4 of the top 10 wealthiest counties in the nation. Baltimore is the armpit of the East Coast.

Without a question, Northern Va. Since you live there you should know this. Armpit, that's funny, seems it is better to be that than the as*shole of the East Coast, no wait, the Nation. Now, beg for your own forum and just go away and stay away.

STFU, Baltimoron

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will the mods on here get a clue and please start a Virginia forum. Nothing against VA, but I don't want to read about VA, NoVA teams on the MD Forum any longer. Thanks in advance!!!!

STFU, Baltimoron

Really? Because a rednech hillbilly southern hick said to? Don't think so. Now go shuffle back to your area and plead with admin to give you your own forum and you can stay the he*l out of the Maryland forum. . Ou aren't needed here.

LOL. Which area has more RN - Northern VA or Baltimore/Annr Arundel counties?

NOVA has 4 of the top 10 wealthiest counties in the nation. Baltimore is the armpit of the East Coast.

Without a question, Northern Va. Since you live there you should know this. Armpit, that's funny, seems it is better to be that than the as*shole of the East Coast, no wait, the Nation. Now, beg for your own forum and just go away and stay away.

STFU, Baltimoron

Well look here, another Northern Va RN hick trying to act like a bada*s. Isn't it time to get your moonshine crap ready for your hillbilly friends. Run along little man, no room for you here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level has no business in the top division. Winless last year. Played in lower division in 2016. Winless in NPLL in 2015.

Crabs were one goal better than Next Level in their game last year. Yeah, no business.

Any word on schedule?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavs 2022
Evergreen 2022
Dukes/Koopers
DCE
Crabs
Hawks
RR
FCA
91MD
MadLax
API
Next Level

What has happened to API?

API will be top 3 team this year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level has no business in the top division. Winless last year. Played in lower division in 2016. Winless in NPLL in 2015.

Crabs were one goal better than Next Level in their game last year. Yeah, no business.

Crabs only won 2 games last year. How many times has NL beaten any team in the Elite Division? Ever??? The answer is zero and the boys are in 8th grade. It's a shame that the schedule will be unbalanced because 6 of the teams will have an easy win and the one's that don't play NL will not. Same thing happened last year and it determines who makes the playoffs.

API top 3. Did you mean bottom 3 or are they dropping down a level to make the top 3.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavs 2022
Evergreen 2022
Dukes/Koopers
DCE
Crabs
Hawks
RR
FCA
91MD
MadLax
API
Next Level

What has happened to API?

API will be top 3 team this year

Nothing wrong with dreaming big!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Cavs 2022
Evergreen 2022
Dukes/Koopers
DCE
Crabs
Hawks
RR
FCA
91MD
MadLax
API
Next Level

A team in the middle of that pack may surprise some people this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Cavs 2022
Evergreen 2022
Dukes/Koopers
DCE
Crabs
Hawks
RR
FCA
91MD
MadLax
API
Next Level

A team in the middle of that pack may surprise some people this year.

The Biggest Surprise this year will be how far Team 91 at the 2022 level has fallen off from last year.

Why did Cavalier 2022 drop out from this weekend's tournament?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Cavs 2022
Evergreen 2022
Dukes/Koopers
DCE
Crabs
Hawks
RR
FCA
91MD
MadLax
API
Next Level

A team in the middle of that pack may surprise some people this year.

The Biggest Surprise this year will be how far Team 91 at the 2022 level has fallen off from last year.

There should not be any surprises with these teams. This is the year that this level will be the most competitive it has ever been. The only surprises will be if a team completely tanks it. Expect the best from all these programs . Looking forward to seeing them all play at the highest level in the country week after week. Hands down the toughest completion in the country.

DCE
Hawks
RR
Koopers/Dukes
Crabs
FCA
91md
Madlax
API
Next Level

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Cavs 2022
Evergreen 2022
Dukes/Koopers
DCE
Crabs
Hawks
RR
FCA
91MD
MadLax
API
Next Level

A team in the middle of that pack may surprise some people this year.

The Biggest Surprise this year will be how far Team 91 at the 2022 level has fallen off from last year.

HoCo should help those 91 kids out this year and set up a podium and some chairs on the turf between the fields for after their games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Cavs 2022
Evergreen 2022
Dukes/Koopers
DCE
Crabs
Hawks
RR
FCA
91MD
MadLax
API
Next Level

A team in the middle of that pack may surprise some people this year.

The Biggest Surprise this year will be how far Team 91 at the 2022 level has fallen off from last year.

There should not be any surprises with these teams. This is the year that this level will be the most competitive it has ever been. The only surprises will be if a team completely tanks it. Expect the best from all these programs . Looking forward to seeing them all play at the highest level in the country week after week. Hands down the toughest completion in the country.

Agreed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavs 2022
Evergreen 2022
Dukes/Koopers
DCE
Crabs
Hawks
RR
FCA
91MD
MadLax
API
Next Level

What has happened to API?

API will be top 3 team this year

18-6 there good buddy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Cavs 2022
Evergreen 2022
Dukes/Koopers
DCE
Crabs
Hawks
RR
FCA
91MD
MadLax
API
Next Level

A team in the middle of that pack may surprise some people this year.

The Biggest Surprise this year will be how far Team 91 at the 2022 level has fallen off from last year.

Hardly. Best attack unit in State..for that matter East Coast

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavs 2022
Evergreen 2022
Dukes/Koopers
DCE
Crabs
Hawks
RR
FCA
91MD
MadLax
API
Next Level

What has happened to API?

API will be top 3 team this year

18-6 there good buddy

So what team will the API kids play for this weekend? API or Dukes?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Cavs 2022
Evergreen 2022
Dukes/Koopers
DCE
Crabs
Hawks
RR
FCA
91MD
MadLax
API
Next Level

A team in the middle of that pack may surprise some people this year.

The Biggest Surprise this year will be how far Team 91 at the 2022 level has fallen off from last year.

Hardly. Best attack unit in State..for that matter East Coast

Agreed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Cavs 2022
Evergreen 2022
Dukes/Koopers
DCE
Crabs
Hawks
RR
FCA
91MD
MadLax
API
Next Level

A team in the middle of that pack may surprise some people this year.

The Biggest Surprise this year will be how far Team 91 at the 2022 level has fallen off from last year.

Hardly. Best attack unit in State..for that matter East Coast

Entire country

Api will get their ass kicked this year they lost to many good players last year . The new players not as good . Api should drop down they are not a elite program any more.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Cavs 2022
Evergreen 2022
Dukes/Koopers
DCE
Crabs
Hawks
RR
FCA
91MD
MadLax
API
Next Level

A team in the middle of that pack may surprise some people this year.

The Biggest Surprise this year will be how far Team 91 at the 2022 level has fallen off from last year.

Hardly. Best attack unit in State..for that matter East Coast

Entire country

Universe

With out a face guy 91 will struggle. So I was told the kid that faced off had left and went to another team? Also 4 othwe of their top players as well? Does anyone know?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Api will get their ass kicked this year they lost to many good players last year . The new players not as good . Api should drop down they are not a elite program any more.

API only lost 1 good player and picked up several very good older players. API will be back on top of the leader board

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With out a face guy 91 will struggle. So I was told the kid that faced off had left and went to another team? Also 4 othwe of their top players as well? Does anyone know?

91 has a faceoff kid who is very good. The kids who left were not the “top” players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Cavs 2022
Evergreen 2022
Dukes/Koopers
DCE
Crabs
Hawks
RR
FCA
91MD
MadLax
API
Next Level

A team in the middle of that pack may surprise some people this year.

The Biggest Surprise this year will be how far Team 91 at the 2022 level has fallen off from last year.

Hardly. Best attack unit in State..for that matter East Coast

Entire country

Universe

Time

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With out a face guy 91 will struggle. So I was told the kid that faced off had left and went to another team? Also 4 othwe of their top players as well? Does anyone know?

Yes they are playing for Evergreen

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavs 2022
Evergreen 2022
Dukes/Koopers
DCE
Crabs
Hawks
RR
FCA
91MD
MadLax
API
Next Level

What has happened to API?

API will be top 3 team this year

18-6 there good buddy

So what team will the API kids play for this weekend? API or Dukes?

Only 1 API kid plays for Dukes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With out a face guy 91 will struggle. So I was told the kid that faced off had left and went to another team? Also 4 othwe of their top players as well? Does anyone know?

91 has a faceoff kid who is very good. The kids who left were not the “top” players.

I saw 91 play last Fall and they struggled with FO; thought that was their biggest weakness on that particular day. If that is the case I am sure MM is already looking for another kid. Defensively and in Goal they looked solid.

Why did Cav 2022 drop out?

BLC didn't play NL Last year, still made playoff's after going thru the hardest schedule. Great competition weekly trumps bitching about strength of schedule. Suspect FCA will be much improved, as they were towards the end of the year last year and in the fall. FOGO is a stud, and they have size and skill all over the field. 91's D is as athletic as it gets, and the hawks are skilled and deep. Going to be some classic battles, as the talent, coaching, and competition at this level in HOCO is the best 2022 lacrosse league in the country. Will be interesting to see if Baltimore will be able to crown a champion at any of the levels....been a while vs the MOCO teams and Hawks. No disputing Hawks have been the most successful program for a few years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC didn't play NL Last year, still made playoff's after going thru the hardest schedule. Great competition weekly trumps bitching about strength of schedule. Suspect FCA will be much improved, as they were towards the end of the year last year and in the fall. FOGO is a stud, and they have size and skill all over the field. 91's D is as athletic as it gets, and the hawks are skilled and deep. Going to be some classic battles, as the talent, coaching, and competition at this level in HOCO is the best 2022 lacrosse league in the country. Will be interesting to see if Baltimore will be able to crown a champion at any of the levels....been a while vs the MOCO teams and Hawks. No disputing Hawks have been the most successful program for a few years.

Very fair perspective. Hardly can believe that it is possible to post something logical and reasonable without mentioning something childish or even worse. As noted, 2022 Elite is stacked from top to bottom with REAL lacrosse players. If all of them were thrown into a pool, and a common draft was to occur, I feel strongly that parity would exist. It should be a great year and all of us -- no matter our club affiliation -- should enjoy it, as it is a precursor to watching teammates play with OR against each other for the next 4 years when they enter high school.

Dukes/Koopers - hold
DCE - buy
Crabs - hold
Hawks - buy
RR - hold
FCA - buy
91MD - sell
MadLax - sell
API - hold
Next Level - sell

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC didn't play NL Last year, still made playoff's after going thru the hardest schedule. Great competition weekly trumps bitching about strength of schedule. Suspect FCA will be much improved, as they were towards the end of the year last year and in the fall. FOGO is a stud, and they have size and skill all over the field. 91's D is as athletic as it gets, and the hawks are skilled and deep. Going to be some classic battles, as the talent, coaching, and competition at this level in HOCO is the best 2022 lacrosse league in the country. Will be interesting to see if Baltimore will be able to crown a champion at any of the levels....been a while vs the MOCO teams and Hawks. No disputing Hawks have been the most successful program for a few years.

Very fair perspective. Hardly can believe that it is possible to post something logical and reasonable without mentioning something childish or even worse. As noted, 2022 Elite is stacked from top to bottom with REAL lacrosse players. If all of them were thrown into a pool, and a common draft was to occur, I feel strongly that parity would exist. It should be a great year and all of us -- no matter our club affiliation -- should enjoy it, as it is a precursor to watching teammates play with OR against each other for the next 4 years when they enter high school.

As a parent of a High School Son. You are correct it gets a lot more fun and the teams hate each other way less when the kids from 12 different teams end up on lots of the same high school teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC didn't play NL Last year, still made playoff's after going thru the hardest schedule. Great competition weekly trumps bitching about strength of schedule. Suspect FCA will be much improved, as they were towards the end of the year last year and in the fall. FOGO is a stud, and they have size and skill all over the field. 91's D is as athletic as it gets, and the hawks are skilled and deep. Going to be some classic battles, as the talent, coaching, and competition at this level in HOCO is the best 2022 lacrosse league in the country. Will be interesting to see if Baltimore will be able to crown a champion at any of the levels....been a while vs the MOCO teams and Hawks. No disputing Hawks have been the most successful program for a few years.

Very fair perspective. Hardly can believe that it is possible to post something logical and reasonable without mentioning something childish or even worse. As noted, 2022 Elite is stacked from top to bottom with REAL lacrosse players. If all of them were thrown into a pool, and a common draft was to occur, I feel strongly that parity would exist. It should be a great year and all of us -- no matter our club affiliation -- should enjoy it, as it is a precursor to watching teammates play with OR against each other for the next 4 years when they enter high school.

As a parent of a High School Son. You are correct it gets a lot more fun and the teams hate each other way less when the kids from 12 different teams end up on lots of the same high school teams.

It's the parents, not the kids, who hate each other. My kids regularly hang out with and communicate with kids from other teams, some of whom they barely know, but have a great deal of respect for.

It's the parents, not the kids, who hate each other. My kids regularly hang out with and communicate with kids from other teams, some of whom they barely know, but have a great deal of respect for.[/quote]

This! I am reminded of a movie called "Finding Bobby Fisher" about kids playing competitive chess. At one point, a tournament organizer is forced to lock the parents out of the building so that the kids could just compete in peace. Shame on all and everyone of us that contributes to a toxic environment knowingly and/or unknowingly. Let's check our egos at the door this year and let these kids play, be competitive but also mutually supportive, and as others have pointed out, help our kids create, develop and nurture relationships they will shortly experience during their high school years as the play against the best lacrosse competition at any level in this country. That is a legacy we can all work towards building.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes/Koopers - hold
DCE - buy
Crabs - hold
Hawks - buy
RR - hold
FCA - buy
91MD - sell
MadLax - sell
API - hold
Next Level - sell

Coaching actually matters at this level so the rec posers at some of these programs will be exposed this year. Look for RM to weave his magic with the Crabs. Expect a well disciplined team with great fundamentals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes/Koopers - hold
DCE - buy
Crabs - hold
Hawks - buy
RR - hold
FCA - buy
91MD - sell
MadLax - sell
API - hold
Next Level - sell

Coaching actually matters at this level so the rec posers at some of these programs will be exposed this year. Look for RM to weave his magic with the Crabs. Expect a well disciplined team with great fundamentals.

Is this a joke? You know RM is a rec coach? Only magic he weaves is bringing in kids from all over the country to make the team better. No one has developed on that team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With out a face guy 91 will struggle. So I was told the kid that faced off had left and went to another team? Also 4 othwe of their top players as well? Does anyone know?

91 has a faceoff kid who is very good. The kids who left were not the “top” players.

The 91MD Face-off player you speak^ of moved to Roughriders. RR will benefit from the extra possessions this season. 8 players and 2 coaches left the 91MD team at the end of last season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Cavs 2022
Evergreen 2022
Dukes/Koopers
DCE
Crabs
Hawks
RR
FCA
91MD
MadLax
API
Next Level

A team in the middle of that pack may surprise some people this year.

The Biggest Surprise this year will be how far Team 91 at the 2022 level has fallen off from last year.

Hardly. Best attack unit in State..for that matter East Coast

Agreed

Are you referring to their Monday-Fri attack squad, or Sat-Sun attack squad? "Potentially" the best East Coast attack squad, when the Midwest players are here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With out a face guy 91 will struggle. So I was told the kid that faced off had left and went to another team? Also 4 othwe of their top players as well? Does anyone know?

91 has a faceoff kid who is very good. The kids who left were not the “top” players.

The 91MD Face-off player you speak^ of moved to Roughriders. RR will benefit from the extra possessions this season. 8 players and 2 coaches left the 91MD team at the end of last season.

Where did they all go besides FO to RR??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With out a face guy 91 will struggle. So I was told the kid that faced off had left and went to another team? Also 4 othwe of their top players as well? Does anyone know?

91 has a faceoff kid who is very good. The kids who left were not the “top” players.

The 91MD Face-off player you speak^ of moved to Roughriders. RR will benefit from the extra possessions this season. 8 players and 2 coaches left the 91MD team at the end of last season.

Where did they all go besides FO to RR??

They all went to RR. The coach too. The goalie quit playing lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With out a face guy 91 will struggle. So I was told the kid that faced off had left and went to another team? Also 4 othwe of their top players as well? Does anyone know?

91 has a faceoff kid who is very good. The kids who left were not the “top” players.

The 91MD Face-off player you speak^ of moved to Roughriders. RR will benefit from the extra possessions this season. 8 players and 2 coaches left the 91MD team at the end of last season.

Where did they all go besides FO to RR??

3 to RR, 1 to Crabs, 1 to API, 2 quit playing club lacrosse because they were not having fun, to include their starting goalie. Not sure who the other is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC didn't play NL Last year, still made playoff's after going thru the hardest schedule. Great competition weekly trumps bitching about strength of schedule. Suspect FCA will be much improved, as they were towards the end of the year last year and in the fall. FOGO is a stud, and they have size and skill all over the field. 91's D is as athletic as it gets, and the hawks are skilled and deep. Going to be some classic battles, as the talent, coaching, and competition at this level in HOCO is the best 2022 lacrosse league in the country. Will be interesting to see if Baltimore will be able to crown a champion at any of the levels....been a while vs the MOCO teams and Hawks. No disputing Hawks have been the most successful program for a few years.

Very fair perspective. Hardly can believe that it is possible to post something logical and reasonable without mentioning something childish or even worse. As noted, 2022 Elite is stacked from top to bottom with REAL lacrosse players. If all of them were thrown into a pool, and a common draft was to occur, I feel strongly that parity would exist. It should be a great year and all of us -- no matter our club affiliation -- should enjoy it, as it is a precursor to watching teammates play with OR against each other for the next 4 years when they enter high school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC didn't play NL Last year, still made playoff's after going thru the hardest schedule. Great competition weekly trumps bitching about strength of schedule. Suspect FCA will be much improved, as they were towards the end of the year last year and in the fall. FOGO is a stud, and they have size and skill all over the field. 91's D is as athletic as it gets, and the hawks are skilled and deep. Going to be some classic battles, as the talent, coaching, and competition at this level in HOCO is the best 2022 lacrosse league in the country. Will be interesting to see if Baltimore will be able to crown a champion at any of the levels....been a while vs the MOCO teams and Hawks. No disputing Hawks have been the most successful program for a few years.

Very fair perspective. Hardly can believe that it is possible to post something logical and reasonable without mentioning something childish or even worse. As noted, 2022 Elite is stacked from top to bottom with REAL lacrosse players. If all of them were thrown into a pool, and a common draft was to occur, I feel strongly that parity would exist. It should be a great year and all of us -- no matter our club affiliation -- should enjoy it, as it is a precursor to watching teammates play with OR against each other for the next 4 years when they enter high school.

Well said. And fun to see the different ages mix. But people need to take a step back and enjoy how good these kids are and how even the best teams can get upset...great site but an enormous amount of parent stupidity...

RR is the armpit of club lacrosse.

Api only pick up 2 good kids . One from team 91 and the other kid came from sidewinders Lsm . They don’t have a elite face- off kid Api lost 2 great face off kids . The other players that left are better then the ones they pick up the kids they don’t have stick skills . They need to hit the wall .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavs 2022
Evergreen 2022
Dukes/Koopers
DCE
Crabs
Hawks
RR
FCA
91MD
MadLax
API
Next Level

What has happened to API?

API will be top 3 team this year

18-6 there good buddy

So what team will the API kids play for this weekend? API or Dukes?

Only 1 API kid plays for Dukes.

thats a lie and everyone knows it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's the parents, not the kids, who hate each other. My kids regularly hang out with and communicate with kids from other teams, some of whom they barely know, but have a great deal of respect for.

This! I am reminded of a movie called "Finding Bobby Fisher" about kids playing competitive chess. At one point, a tournament organizer is forced to lock the parents out of the building so that the kids could just compete in peace. Shame on all and everyone of us that contributes to a toxic environment knowingly and/or unknowingly. Let's check our egos at the door this year and let these kids play, be competitive but also mutually supportive, and as others have pointed out, help our kids create, develop and nurture relationships they will shortly experience during their high school years as the play against the best lacrosse competition at any level in this country. That is a legacy we can all work towards building.
[/quote]

You are the funniest person on this forum. Let's all have a group hug and agree to a code of conduct. Oh yeah most of us already signed some agreement that this is travel and we play to win. Some of the best games have been up north vs LI and NJ teams. Players play and parents get to talk as much [lacrosse] as they want. Thousands a year spent on lacrosse you bet your [lacrosse] I'm going to talk [lacrosse] at the games and on this forum. If you want peace and quiet go have your kid join the chess club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Cavs 2022
Evergreen 2022
Dukes/Koopers
DCE
Crabs
Hawks
RR
FCA
91MD
MadLax
API
Next Level

A team in the middle of that pack may surprise some people this year.

The Biggest Surprise this year will be how far Team 91 at the 2022 level has fallen off from last year.

Hardly. Best attack unit in State..for that matter East Coast

Agreed

Are you referring to their Monday-Fri attack squad, or Sat-Sun attack squad? "Potentially" the best East Coast attack squad, when the Midwest players are here.

not even close to the best attack unit in their own league.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

RR is the armpit of club lacrosse.

RR is a tough well coached team that will bring it just like years past. They have improved greatly and will be a tough match up for all teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes/Koopers - hold
DCE - buy
Crabs - hold
Hawks - buy
RR - hold
FCA - buy
91MD - sell
MadLax - sell
API - hold
Next Level - sell

Wow! Trolling doesn't get any better than this. Sad bit of commentary -

Originally Posted by Anonymous

RR is the armpit of club lacrosse.

How did you arrive at this conclusion. While sipping tea with your pinky out?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With out a face guy 91 will struggle. So I was told the kid that faced off had left and went to another team? Also 4 othwe of their top players as well? Does anyone know?

91 has a faceoff kid who is very good. The kids who left were not the “top” players.

The 91MD Face-off player you speak^ of moved to Roughriders. RR will benefit from the extra possessions this season. 8 players and 2 coaches left the 91MD team at the end of last season.

Where did they all go besides FO to RR??

3 to RR, 1 to Crabs, 1 to API, 2 quit playing club lacrosse because they were not having fun, to include their starting goalie. Not sure who the other is.

Trolling at its finest again. Why don't you just roll up to these teams practices and get the skinny yourself. These teams have been formed for 6 months already and most likely practice all the time and have played some games or scrimmages to this point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With out a face guy 91 will struggle. So I was told the kid that faced off had left and went to another team? Also 4 othwe of their top players as well? Does anyone know?

91 has a faceoff kid who is very good. The kids who left were not the “top” players.

The 91MD Face-off player you speak^ of moved to Roughriders. RR will benefit from the extra possessions this season. 8 players and 2 coaches left the 91MD team at the end of last season.

Where did they all go besides FO to RR??

3 to RR, 1 to Crabs, 1 to API, 2 quit playing club lacrosse because they were not having fun, to include their starting goalie. Not sure who the other is.

Trolling at its finest again. Why don't you just roll up to these teams practices and get the skinny yourself. These teams have been formed for 6 months already and most likely practice all the time and have played some games or scrimmages to this point.

Whats your point? Looks like they just saved you some gas money and travel time.

This forum is crazy. Someone saying the spend all this money on the child's lacrosse so that give them the right to be a jerk. Another saying to buy , sell or hold on 8th grade lacrosse teams. Calling programs armpits? Please those who want to do that stuff should get a life. Spending money does not give you the right to be an ass. People should not comment on the teams until the games are played.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavs 2022

18-6 there good buddy

So what team will the API kids play for this weekend? API or Dukes?

Only 1 API kid plays for Dukes.

thats a lie and everyone knows it

Then everyone is wrong. Have the depth chart in front of me. Only 1 API kid still plays on Dukes and even that one doesn't show up all that often because of conflicts. If API had a bunch of Dukes kids they'd be better than they are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This forum is crazy. Someone saying the spend all this money on the child's lacrosse so that give them the right to be a jerk. Another saying to buy , sell or hold on 8th grade lacrosse teams. Calling programs armpits? Please those who want to do that stuff should get a life. Spending money does not give you the right to be an ass. People should not comment on the teams until the games are played.

Yes and No! Disparaging an entire program is most likely a sign of unfairly displaced anger. That's just stupid and easy to spot. There are to many good volunteer coaches, talented players, respectful parents in every program. Each program has its good teams, bad teams, good coaches, bad coaches, good parents, bad parents, etc. However, there are some shady practices, poor conduct and unethical practices as it pertains to youth sports going on at different programs and levels, which people should communicate and help others become aware of. If it is ignored, it will never stop. Some things may be true, some may not, but intelligent people can read, watch and make their own minds up. That is what forums are for! A lot of things happen behind the scenes, at practices and on the sidelines during games, where parents can see actions or results, but not hear the words or fully understand what happened, whether its your team or an opposing team. For club participation competition, total player numbers, demographics, logistics drive tryouts, outside recruiting and ultimately team success. Instruction is being replaced with marketing and that is where uninformed parents wind up placing their players in bad situations. This happens to be a 2022 forum. It is fair game for people to air out dirty laundry from their experiences on 2022 teams or certain coaches. If you are intelligent, you can read it and sift through the s!@# talking and unfair criticism to gather the more important details in an effort to become more informed. Everyone understands that these teams compete at a very high level and that means at some point, you may be faced with a decision to watch your child sit, or move them. When that time comes, you should appreciate some of the information, good or bad that is passed along on here, so you can approach your options with eyes wide-open. Most of this stuff DOES happen in some way shape or form and people should not ignore poor behavior, practices and coaching, simply because their kid starts on one of the top teams at a particular age group. These programs and coaches are responsible for your kids during a very impressionable time of their sports career. Ask them the hard questions, hold them accountable, so they have to break trust in order to deviate from that responsibility, or actually tell you the truth up front. Its not really that hard or painful to read info on here and then go watch a tournament or game where a coach is jumping up and down like a raving lunatic in front of his players, yelling at referees because they ended the game 1 minute early, due to his players getting chippy because they were losing by 4 goals. There are multiple problems going on in that scenario and it should NOT be ignored.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This forum is crazy. Someone saying the spend all this money on the child's lacrosse so that give them the right to be a jerk. Another saying to buy , sell or hold on 8th grade lacrosse teams. Calling programs armpits? Please those who want to do that stuff should get a life. Spending money does not give you the right to be an ass. People should not comment on the teams until the games are played.

Yes and No! Disparaging an entire program is most likely a sign of unfairly displaced anger. That's just stupid and easy to spot. There are to many good volunteer coaches, talented players, respectful parents in every program. Each program has its good teams, bad teams, good coaches, bad coaches, good parents, bad parents, etc. However, there are some shady practices, poor conduct and unethical practices as it pertains to youth sports going on at different programs and levels, which people should communicate and help others become aware of. If it is ignored, it will never stop. Some things may be true, some may not, but intelligent people can read, watch and make their own minds up. That is what forums are for! A lot of things happen behind the scenes, at practices and on the sidelines during games, where parents can see actions or results, but not hear the words or fully understand what happened, whether its your team or an opposing team. For club participation competition, total player numbers, demographics, logistics drive tryouts, outside recruiting and ultimately team success. Instruction is being replaced with marketing and that is where uninformed parents wind up placing their players in bad situations. This happens to be a 2022 forum. It is fair game for people to air out dirty laundry from their experiences on 2022 teams or certain coaches. If you are intelligent, you can read it and sift through the s!@# talking and unfair criticism to gather the more important details in an effort to become more informed. Everyone understands that these teams compete at a very high level and that means at some point, you may be faced with a decision to watch your child sit, or move them. When that time comes, you should appreciate some of the information, good or bad that is passed along on here, so you can approach your options with eyes wide-open. Most of this stuff DOES happen in some way shape or form and people should not ignore poor behavior, practices and coaching, simply because their kid starts on one of the top teams at a particular age group. These programs and coaches are responsible for your kids during a very impressionable time of their sports career. Ask them the hard questions, hold them accountable, so they have to break trust in order to deviate from that responsibility, or actually tell you the truth up front. Its not really that hard or painful to read info on here and then go watch a tournament or game where a coach is jumping up and down like a raving lunatic in front of his players, yelling at referees because they ended the game 1 minute early, due to his players getting chippy because they were losing by 4 goals. There are multiple problems going on in that scenario and it should NOT be ignored.

I agree and do use this forum for all of this information. I think the hardest part is people want to stay unknown so they say this team cheats or this coach is a jerk. But they are scared to give real details of the why this is true because they know the people around or on this team will know right away who is typing. So all I ask is people please try to give real reasons why a coach or team is bad or even good not just [ChillLaxin] "they cheat" they are mean" type posts

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's the parents, not the kids, who hate each other. My kids regularly hang out with and communicate with kids from other teams, some of whom they barely know, but have a great deal of respect for.

This! I am reminded of a movie called "Finding Bobby Fisher" about kids playing competitive chess. At one point, a tournament organizer is forced to lock the parents out of the building so that the kids could just compete in peace. Shame on all and everyone of us that contributes to a toxic environment knowingly and/or unknowingly. Let's check our egos at the door this year and let these kids play, be competitive but also mutually supportive, and as others have pointed out, help our kids create, develop and nurture relationships they will shortly experience during their high school years as the play against the best lacrosse competition at any level in this country. That is a legacy we can all work towards building.

You are the funniest person on this forum. Let's all have a group hug and agree to a code of conduct. Oh yeah most of us already signed some agreement that this is travel and we play to win. Some of the best games have been up north vs LI and NJ teams. Players play and parents get to talk as much [lacrosse] as they want. Thousands a year spent on lacrosse you bet your [lacrosse] I'm going to talk [lacrosse] at the games and on this forum. If you want peace and quiet go have your kid join the chess club.[/quote]

Somewhere out there > My kid can beat your kid at chess.
>>Your kid can only win at chess because he is a [chess playing] holdover.
>Annapolis chess team is full of holderovers and you know it.
>>That Baltimore chess player is going D1. Great opening moves, and perfect end game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With out a face guy 91 will struggle. So I was told the kid that faced off had left and went to another team? Also 4 othwe of their top players as well? Does anyone know?

91 has a faceoff kid who is very good. The kids who left were not the “top” players.

The 91MD Face-off player you speak^ of moved to Roughriders. RR will benefit from the extra possessions this season. 8 players and 2 coaches left the 91MD team at the end of last season.

Where did they all go besides FO to RR??

3 to RR, 1 to Crabs, 1 to API, 2 quit playing club lacrosse because they were not having fun, to include their starting goalie. Not sure who the other is.

WOW. That is a result of coaching . Players dont leave good coaches that they enjoy playing for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With out a face guy 91 will struggle. So I was told the kid that faced off had left and went to another team? Also 4 othwe of their top players as well? Does anyone know?

91 has a faceoff kid who is very good. The kids who left were not the “top” players.

The 91MD Face-off player you speak^ of moved to Roughriders. RR will benefit from the extra possessions this season. 8 players and 2 coaches left the 91MD team at the end of last season.

Where did they all go besides FO to RR??

3 to RR, 1 to Crabs, 1 to API, 2 quit playing club lacrosse because they were not having fun, to include their starting goalie. Not sure who the other is.

WOW. That is a result of coaching . Players dont leave good coaches that they enjoy playing for.

Why would you say wow, like it is a surprise?

I watched the dbacks play rough riders in the fall and there a legit contender

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I watched the dbacks play rough riders in the fall and there a legit contender

Where was this? What was the score?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavs 2022

18-6 there good buddy

So what team will the API kids play for this weekend? API or Dukes?

Only 1 API kid plays for Dukes.

thats a lie and everyone knows it

Then everyone is wrong. Have the depth chart in front of me. Only 1 API kid still plays on Dukes and even that one doesn't show up all that often because of conflicts. If API had a bunch of Dukes kids they'd be better than they are.

Its Dukes that has 3 or 4 API players on team. They might not be playing in season but surely will jump ship this summer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I watched the dbacks play rough riders in the fall and there a legit contender

Neither of those teams are contenders.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I watched the dbacks play rough riders in the fall and there a legit contender

What team is legit?

Some good matchups this weekend playing spring thaw in Delaware.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only 1 API kid plays for Dukes.

thats a lie and everyone knows it

Then everyone is wrong. Have the depth chart in front of me. Only 1 API kid still plays on Dukes and even that one doesn't show up all that often because of conflicts. If API had a bunch of Dukes kids they'd be better than they are.

Its Dukes that has 3 or 4 API players on team. They might not be playing in season but surely will jump ship this summer

I don't know how many times to tell you that you are wrong. There used to be a lot of Dbacks players on Dukes. That has changed over the last year as better players have come to the team. There has only been 1 API player to play with Dukes in almost a year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DCE
Hawks
RR
Koopers/Dukes
Crabs
FCA
91md
Madlax
API
Next Level

Looks like NL got dropped out of elite division. Good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DCE
Hawks
RR
Koopers/Dukes
Crabs
FCA
91md
Madlax
API
Next Level

Looks like NL got dropped out of elite division. Good.

#fakenews

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With out a face guy 91 will struggle. So I was told the kid that faced off had left and went to another team? Also 4 othwe of their top players as well? Does anyone know?

91 has a faceoff kid who is very good. The kids who left were not the “top” players.

The 91MD Face-off player you speak^ of moved to Roughriders. RR will benefit from the extra possessions this season. 8 players and 2 coaches left the 91MD team at the end of last season.
Where did they all go besides FO to RR??

3 to RR, 1 to Crabs, 1 to API, 2 quit playing club lacrosse because they were not having fun, to include their starting goalie. Not sure who the other is.

WOW. That is a result of coaching . Players dont leave good coaches that they enjoy playing for.

Why would you say wow, like it is a surprise?

Well the coach is a respected coach in the lacrosse community. It is unusual for that many players to leave? and others to actually quit!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DCE
Hawks
RR
Koopers/Dukes
Crabs
FCA
91md
Madlax
API
Next Level

Looks like NL got dropped out of elite division. Good.

#fakenews

Guess we'll see

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With out a face guy 91 will struggle. So I was told the kid that faced off had left and went to another team? Also 4 othwe of their top players as well? Does anyone know?

91 has a faceoff kid who is very good. The kids who left were not the “top” players.

The 91MD Face-off player you speak^ of moved to Roughriders. RR will benefit from the extra possessions this season. 8 players and 2 coaches left the 91MD team at the end of last season.
Where did they all go besides FO to RR??

3 to RR, 1 to Crabs, 1 to API, 2 quit playing club lacrosse because they were not having fun, to include their starting goalie. Not sure who the other is.

WOW. That is a result of coaching . Players dont leave good coaches that they enjoy playing for.

Why would you say wow, like it is a surprise?

Well the coach is a respected coach in the lacrosse community. It is unusual for that many players to leave? and others to actually quit!

Well known is quite different than respected.

Last spring season of youth lacrosse begins tomorrow at Spring Thaw. Some great matchups already. Enjoy it folks.

Hawks and Express are the only top club teams there.
Not many great matchups.
Hawks take all games easily.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks and Express are the only top club teams there.
Not many great matchups.
Hawks take all games easily.

Bitter dad - sorry you and your kid are not playing this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks and Express are the only top club teams there.
Not many great matchups.
Hawks take all games easily.

I hope so, they probably practiced 6 days this week to make sure they were all on the same page after last weeks 6 practices.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Hawks and Express are the only top club teams there.
Not many great matchups.
Hawks take all games easily.

I hope so, they probably practiced 6 days this week to make sure they were all on the same page after last weeks 6 practices.[/quo

Classic sore loser comments - not a hawk but if they do practice 6 times a week which no team does, why do you care if you are not on team.
Spring thaw has a ton of good teams and match ups. Too bad it's not a championship format . It will be great for all the teams in it to get good competition before league starts. Gotta love LI Express playing 2 top teams from MD.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only 1 API kid plays for Dukes.

thats a lie and everyone knows it

Then everyone is wrong. Have the depth chart in front of me. Only 1 API kid still plays on Dukes and even that one doesn't show up all that often because of conflicts. If API had a bunch of Dukes kids they'd be better than they are.

Its Dukes that has 3 or 4 API players on team. They might not be playing in season but surely will jump ship this summer

I don't know how many times to tell you that you are wrong. There used to be a lot of Dbacks players on Dukes. That has changed over the last year as better players have come to the team. There has only been 1 API player to play with Dukes in almost a year.

Sure !

ANY scores from today? Tourney Machine only post wins.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ANY scores from today? Tourney Machine only post wins.

Dukes and Hawks beat LI Express easily.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes/Koopers - hold
DCE - buy
Crabs - hold
Hawks - buy
RR - hold
FCA - buy
91MD - sell
MadLax - sell
API - hold
Next Level - sell

Hmmm. Hawks is definitely a buy. They are in a league of their home. Followed closely by reloaded RR and Crabs. Not sure why you are buying DCE. They lost to Madlax today. Or maybe Madlax is better than you thought.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ANY scores from today? Tourney Machine only post wins.

Dukes and Hawks beat LI Express easily.

Did Dukes beat everyone there?

How did API and Crabs look today

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did API and Crabs look today

Watched one game involving Dukes and API, and another involving Crabs and Philadelphia Freedom. All of these teams looked solid, and the potential for growth and development opportunities was apparent. Dukes had kids from Koopers, Rising Sons, Looneys and I believe Brotherly Love (?) playing on team. Dukes goalie could not have been a 2022 (he was enormous and had facial hair), but someone mentioned the regular goalie was out of town. Dukes built a halftime lead over API but API played them even in second half, and always appeared competitive. Got some very good LSM play. Dukes defense solid, but all scoring came from two kids. Dukes deeper/more talented, but did not appear "invincible".

Crabs beat a very good Freedom team by 3 goals. Like all the teams I observed, way too many turnovers and losses of possession. Physical play. Good goaltending and adequate defense. Offense looked improved over what i observed last year.

By the way, the Delaware facility is tremendous. Shame we don't have a similar complex in Maryland. All of these 2022 teams looked great and not much separates them. Wish I could have seem a Hawks game, but most of the 2022's played at the same time intervals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ANY scores from today? Tourney Machine only post wins.

Dukes and Hawks beat LI Express easily.

Did Dukes beat everyone there?

Dukes only played LI Express, API and South Jersey Select. The API game was the closest of the three though none of them were close.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did API and Crabs look today

Watched one game involving Dukes and API, and another involving Crabs and Philadelphia Freedom. All of these teams looked solid, and the potential for growth and development opportunities was apparent. Dukes had kids from Koopers, Rising Sons, Looneys and I believe Brotherly Love (?) playing on team. Dukes goalie could not have been a 2022 (he was enormous and had facial hair), but someone mentioned the regular goalie was out of town. Dukes built a halftime lead over API but API played them even in second half, and always appeared competitive. Got some very good LSM play. Dukes defense solid, but all scoring came from two kids. Dukes deeper/more talented, but did not appear "invincible".

Crabs beat a very good Freedom team by 3 goals. Like all the teams I observed, way too many turnovers and losses of possession. Physical play. Good goaltending and adequate defense. Offense looked improved over what i observed last year.

By the way, the Delaware facility is tremendous. Shame we don't have a similar complex in Maryland. All of these 2022 teams looked great and not much separates them. Wish I could have seem a Hawks game, but most of the 2022's played at the same time intervals.

Facial Hair! Hilarious.. So many over age players for the proper grade now. It is a shame, but it does work..Look at Dukes roster. They show birthdays for many players. Some are two years older than they should be for class. Many are 1 and many are older for their year. Bottom line. Hold your child back if you want to play D1. Your changes are better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did API and Crabs look today

Watched one game involving Dukes and API, and another involving Crabs and Philadelphia Freedom. All of these teams looked solid, and the potential for growth and development opportunities was apparent. Dukes had kids from Koopers, Rising Sons, Looneys and I believe Brotherly Love (?) playing on team. Dukes goalie could not have been a 2022 (he was enormous and had facial hair), but someone mentioned the regular goalie was out of town. Dukes built a halftime lead over API but API played them even in second half, and always appeared competitive. Got some very good LSM play. Dukes defense solid, but all scoring came from two kids. Dukes deeper/more talented, but did not appear "invincible".

Crabs beat a very good Freedom team by 3 goals. Like all the teams I observed, way too many turnovers and losses of possession. Physical play. Good goaltending and adequate defense. Offense looked improved over what i observed last year.

By the way, the Delaware facility is tremendous. Shame we don't have a similar complex in Maryland. All of these 2022 teams looked great and not much separates them. Wish I could have seem a Hawks game, but most of the 2022's played at the same time intervals.

Facial Hair! Hilarious.. So many over age players for the proper grade now. It is a shame, but it does work..Look at Dukes roster. They show birthdays for many players. Some are two years older than they should be for class. Many are 1 and many are older for their year. Bottom line. Hold your child back if you want to play D1. Your changes are better.

The goalie does not have facial hair. He is the usual goalie for the team. He plays for Koopers. Not sure where you think that Dukes has a roster posted at all, let alone one with birthdates. My son is on the team as well as 2 of his club teammates and all 3 of them are normal age 2022 players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did API and Crabs look today

Watched one game involving Dukes and API, and another involving Crabs and Philadelphia Freedom. All of these teams looked solid, and the potential for growth and development opportunities was apparent. Dukes had kids from Koopers, Rising Sons, Looneys and I believe Brotherly Love (?) playing on team. Dukes goalie could not have been a 2022 (he was enormous and had facial hair), but someone mentioned the regular goalie was out of town. Dukes built a halftime lead over API but API played them even in second half, and always appeared competitive. Got some very good LSM play. Dukes defense solid, but all scoring came from two kids. Dukes deeper/more talented, but did not appear "invincible".

Crabs beat a very good Freedom team by 3 goals. Like all the teams I observed, way too many turnovers and losses of possession. Physical play. Good goaltending and adequate defense. Offense looked improved over what i observed last year.

By the way, the Delaware facility is tremendous. Shame we don't have a similar complex in Maryland. All of these 2022 teams looked great and not much separates them. Wish I could have seem a Hawks game, but most of the 2022's played at the same time intervals.

Facial Hair! Hilarious.. So many over age players for the proper grade now. It is a shame, but it does work..Look at Dukes roster. They show birthdays for many players. Some are two years older than they should be for class. Many are 1 and many are older for their year. Bottom line. Hold your child back if you want to play D1. Your changes are better.

The goalie does not have facial hair. He is the usual goalie for the team. He plays for Koopers. Not sure where you think that Dukes has a roster posted at all, let alone one with birthdates. My son is on the team as well as 2 of his club teammates and all 3 of them are normal age 2022 players.

Guessing he's referring to Duke University. There are a bunch of reasons why college players are older - they were held back when they 4-5, did a PG after HS, redshirt due to injury, Grad student. There was one Duke player that joined the military after graduating, did a couple of tours in middle east and then cam back and played as a grad student at 26. Also my 13 and 16 year started shaving at the same time, Go figure....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes/Koopers - hold
DCE - buy
Crabs - hold
Hawks - buy
RR - hold
FCA - buy
91MD - sell
MadLax - sell
API - hold
Next Level - sell

Hmmm. Hawks is definitely a buy. They are in a league of their home. Followed closely by reloaded RR and Crabs. Not sure why you are buying DCE. They lost to Madlax today. Or maybe Madlax is better than you thought.

Where did they play at? Was it a close game? Score? Sounds like a good win for MADLAX if this is true. Didn't plates jump ship to DCE?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did API and Crabs look today

Watched one game involving Dukes and API, and another involving Crabs and Philadelphia Freedom. All of these teams looked solid, and the potential for growth and development opportunities was apparent. Dukes had kids from Koopers, Rising Sons, Looneys and I believe Brotherly Love (?) playing on team. Dukes goalie could not have been a 2022 (he was enormous and had facial hair), but someone mentioned the regular goalie was out of town. Dukes built a halftime lead over API but API played them even in second half, and always appeared competitive. Got some very good LSM play. Dukes defense solid, but all scoring came from two kids. Dukes deeper/more talented, but did not appear "invincible".

Crabs beat a very good Freedom team by 3 goals. Like all the teams I observed, way too many turnovers and losses of possession. Physical play. Good goaltending and adequate defense. Offense looked improved over what i observed last year.

By the way, the Delaware facility is tremendous. Shame we don't have a similar complex in Maryland. All of these 2022 teams looked great and not much separates them. Wish I could have seem a Hawks game, but most of the 2022's played at the same time intervals.

Hawks looked very good but a bit rusty as expected from all teams. They were fast all over the field with very good goalie play.

When does the league schedule get posted?

There are 3 very good 2022 teams. DCE Express, Dukes, and Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are 3 very good 2022 teams. DCE Express, Dukes, and Hawks.

Crabs , Rough Riders, are very good too. DCE has not even really been tested - won a controlled scrimmage vs Hawks after Hawks destroyed them 2 weeks before.(didn't they lose to MADLAX this weekend). RR play Hawks better than any team in the league and have gotten way better this year. Crabs were very solid this weekend . Dukes are not very good except 2 players who are exceptional and a lot of fun to watch. Teams better learn how to deal with them.They are 1-1 with Hawks and they can be beat. All teams can be beat because the Elite division is full of very good teams. Don't expect the any team to run the table. Exciting to see all these teams get after it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did API and Crabs look today

Watched one game involving Dukes and API, and another involving Crabs and Philadelphia Freedom. All of these teams looked solid, and the potential for growth and development opportunities was apparent. Dukes had kids from Koopers, Rising Sons, Looneys and I believe Brotherly Love (?) playing on team. Dukes goalie could not have been a 2022 (he was enormous and had facial hair), but someone mentioned the regular goalie was out of town. Dukes built a halftime lead over API but API played them even in second half, and always appeared competitive. Got some very good LSM play. Dukes defense solid, but all scoring came from two kids. Dukes deeper/more talented, but did not appear "invincible".

Crabs beat a very good Freedom team by 3 goals. Like all the teams I observed, way too many turnovers and losses of possession. Physical play. Good goaltending and adequate defense. Offense looked improved over what i observed last year.

By the way, the Delaware facility is tremendous. Shame we don't have a similar complex in Maryland. All of these 2022 teams looked great and not much separates them. Wish I could have seem a Hawks game, but most of the 2022's played at the same time intervals.

That game vs. Philly Freedom was 6 zip Crab's in the first 10 minutes of play and the final was 14 - 7 Crab's. They are definitely not the same team from last year. Great competition all around and great facility this past weekend for sure.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are 3 very good 2022 teams. DCE Express, Dukes, and Hawks.

Madly beat DCE pretty handily 11-6 yesterday, wasn't even that close.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are 3 very good 2022 teams. DCE Express, Dukes, and Hawks.

Crabs , Rough Riders, are very good too. DCE has not even really been tested - won a controlled scrimmage vs Hawks after Hawks destroyed them 2 weeks before.(didn't they lose to MADLAX this weekend). RR play Hawks better than any team in the league and have gotten way better this year. Crabs were very solid this weekend . Dukes are not very good except 2 players who are exceptional and a lot of fun to watch. Teams better learn how to deal with them.They are 1-1 with Hawks and they can be beat. All teams can be beat because the Elite division is full of very good teams. Don't expect the any team to run the table. Exciting to see all these teams get after it.

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Agreed. All of the teams in the elite division are really good and anyone can be beat by many of the others on any given day.

Hawks are the still the team to beat and DCE looks strong, however they didn't look so great against MadLax Sunday. They were beaten handily (8-4), however these are 14 year olds (and 15/16 years olds) so sometimes they're ready to play mentally, and sometimes they're not.

RR, Dukes, FCA, and MadLax will also be good and I would suspect the Crabs will be better too.

Enjoy the high level of lax. It's amazing that these kids are 8th graders and play at the level they do. Your kids will be well prepared to compete in HS based on this competition.

Saw payday game yesterday. Madlax chemistry and coaching beat Bethesda/DCE's size and moxie. There will be days when the opposite is true, but not yesterday. DCE ongoing issues on face-offs, fixing that would change a lot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did API and Crabs look today

Watched one game involving Dukes and API, and another involving Crabs and Philadelphia Freedom. All of these teams looked solid, and the potential for growth and development opportunities was apparent. Dukes had kids from Koopers, Rising Sons, Looneys and I believe Brotherly Love (?) playing on team. Dukes goalie could not have been a 2022 (he was enormous and had facial hair), but someone mentioned the regular goalie was out of town. Dukes built a halftime lead over API but API played them even in second half, and always appeared competitive. Got some very good LSM play. Dukes defense solid, but all scoring came from two kids. Dukes deeper/more talented, but did not appear "invincible".

Crabs beat a very good Freedom team by 3 goals. Like all the teams I observed, way too many turnovers and losses of possession. Physical play. Good goaltending and adequate defense. Offense looked improved over what i observed last year.

By the way, the Delaware facility is tremendous. Shame we don't have a similar complex in Maryland. All of these 2022 teams looked great and not much separates them. Wish I could have seem a Hawks game, but most of the 2022's played at the same time intervals

Facial Hair! Hilarious.. So many over age players for the proper grade now. It is a shame, but it does work..Look at Dukes roster. They show birthdays for many players. Some are two years older than they should be for class. Many are 1 and many are older for their year. Bottom line. Hold your child back if you want to play D1. Your changes are better

The goalie does not have facial hair. He is the usual goalie for the team. He plays for Koopers. Not sure where you think that Dukes has a roster posted at all, let alone one with birthdates. My son is on the team as well as 2 of his club teammates and all 3 of them are normal age 2022 players.

Guessing he's referring to Duke University. There are a bunch of reasons why college players are older - they were held back when they 4-5, did a PG after HS, redshirt due to injury, Grad student. There was one Duke player that joined the military after graduating, did a couple of tours in middle east and then cam back and played as a grad student at 26. Also my 13 and 16 year started shaving at the same time, Go figure....

Yes , Duke U. The majority of players are on the older side for their class. Not talking about the odd grad student or the odd post Military student.

Call it what you want..Prefirst/reclass/holdback for youth and redshirt/PG for post graduation. If you go this route your chances are much better to play at any top D1 College. Its a fact. The majority of May thru Aug birthdays are players that were helback. Another fact.

Now that lacrosse is somewhat growing ...expect to see more kids heldback in youth lacrosse. It sure isnt going to be less Prefirst/reclass/holdbacks.. And for all you MIAA people, a prefirst is a heldback student. He was just held back in Kindergarten, And yes there are other reasons besides sports. Still shouldnt give him an advantage others cant have with exact same birthday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did API and Crabs look today

Watched one game involving Dukes and API, and another involving Crabs and Philadelphia Freedom. All of these teams looked solid, and the potential for growth and development opportunities was apparent. Dukes had kids from Koopers, Rising Sons, Looneys and I believe Brotherly Love (?) playing on team. Dukes goalie could not have been a 2022 (he was enormous and had facial hair), but someone mentioned the regular goalie was out of town. Dukes built a halftime lead over API but API played them even in second half, and always appeared competitive. Got some very good LSM play. Dukes defense solid, but all scoring came from two kids. Dukes deeper/more talented, but did not appear "invincible".

Crabs beat a very good Freedom team by 3 goals. Like all the teams I observed, way too many turnovers and losses of possession. Physical play. Good goaltending and adequate defense. Offense looked improved over what i observed last year.

By the way, the Delaware facility is tremendous. Shame we don't have a similar complex in Maryland. All of these 2022 teams looked great and not much separates them. Wish I could have seem a Hawks game, but most of the 2022's played at the same time intervals

Facial Hair! Hilarious.. So many over age players for the proper grade now. It is a shame, but it does work..Look at Dukes roster. They show birthdays for many players. Some are two years older than they should be for class. Many are 1 and many are older for their year. Bottom line. Hold your child back if you want to play D1. Your changes are better

The goalie does not have facial hair. He is the usual goalie for the team. He plays for Koopers. Not sure where you think that Dukes has a roster posted at all, let alone one with birthdates. My son is on the team as well as 2 of his club teammates and all 3 of them are normal age 2022 players.

Guessing he's referring to Duke University. There are a bunch of reasons why college players are older - they were held back when they 4-5, did a PG after HS, redshirt due to injury, Grad student. There was one Duke player that joined the military after graduating, did a couple of tours in middle east and then cam back and played as a grad student at 26. Also my 13 and 16 year started shaving at the same time, Go figure....

Yes , Duke U. The majority of players are on the older side for their class. Not talking about the odd grad student or the odd post Military student.

Call it what you want..Prefirst/reclass/holdback for youth and redshirt/PG for post graduation. If you go this route your chances are much better to play at any top D1 College. Its a fact. The majority of May thru Aug birthdays are players that were helback. Another fact.

Now that lacrosse is somewhat growing ...expect to see more kids heldback in youth lacrosse. It sure isnt going to be less Prefirst/reclass/holdbacks.. And for all you MIAA people, a prefirst is a heldback student. He was just held back in Kindergarten, And yes there are other reasons besides sports. Still shouldnt give him an advantage others cant have with exact same birthday.

Thank you sir; everything that is wrong with youth sports today summed up in one post!! SMH

I think the new recruiting rules have made it less beneficial to have your kid repeat 7th or 8th grade. There really haven't been that many examples of this happening in the last year. There were no lacrosse players repeating 8th grade at BL or McDonogh this year. I can't speak on the rest, but I don't know of any in Baltimore.

It's till happening a lot. And I don't understand why -- especially with the new recruiting rules. Frankly, I find it embarrassing. My kid's a private school kid, and we're not going to do it. I think it's cheating. Just my two cents. What I really don't get is that schools give financial aid to these kids to repeat a grade for sports. I don't understand how any board of any private school is allowing that to happen. If a kid has educational challenges, that is one thing. But reclassing for sports on the school's dime is a waste of resources. Work hard. Get better. Wait your turn.

All these schools have rules about integrity and honor. Well what about it? There is an inherent hypocrisy in letting this happen. I'm not bitter. My kid doesn't "stink" or anything like that -- which I'm sure people will get on here and say -- he can't hang with the big boys. I'm just disappointed that parents -- and schools -- allow kids to take the easy way out, to play down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think the new recruiting rules have made it less beneficial to have your kid repeat 7th or 8th grade. There really haven't been that many examples of this happening in the last year. There were no lacrosse players repeating 8th grade at BL or McDonogh this year. I can't speak on the rest, but I don't know of any in Baltimore.

Both McDonogh and BL have pre-first, so they've already done their extra year. That's why there are so many kids on Crabs, FCA and Hawks that are 15 already.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think the new recruiting rules have made it less beneficial to have your kid repeat 7th or 8th grade. There really haven't been that many examples of this happening in the last year. There were no lacrosse players repeating 8th grade at BL or McDonogh this year. I can't speak on the rest, but I don't know of any in Baltimore.

Both McDonogh and BL have pre-first, so they've already done their extra year. That's why there are so many kids on Crabs, FCA and Hawks that are 15 already.

And DCE, RR,MD91,API ---Every team has them

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think the new recruiting rules have made it less beneficial to have your kid repeat 7th or 8th grade. There really haven't been that many examples of this happening in the last year. There were no lacrosse players repeating 8th grade at BL or McDonogh this year. I can't speak on the rest, but I don't know of any in Baltimore.

Both McDonogh and BL have pre-first, so they've already done their extra year. That's why there are so many kids on Crabs, FCA and Hawks that are 15 already.

And DCE, RR,MD91,API ---Every team has them

Some way more than others^^^

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think the new recruiting rules have made it less beneficial to have your kid repeat 7th or 8th grade. There really haven't been that many examples of this happening in the last year. There were no lacrosse players repeating 8th grade at BL or McDonogh this year. I can't speak on the rest, but I don't know of any in Baltimore.

Both McDonogh and BL have pre-first, so they've already done their extra year. That's why there are so many kids on Crabs, FCA and Hawks that are 15 already.

And DCE, RR,MD91,API ---Every team has them

There is a difference between teams that have 1-3 kids that are on the boarder because of their birth date and decided to wait an extra year to go to kindergarten back in 2002-2003, OR maybe a player who was held back because of early educational issues, vs Teams full of players who all decided to do it in 8th grade. One is doing it specifically for lacrosse, the others made the decision early, most likely to accommodate for life circumstances, not necessarily a sport. Its not usually hard to tell the difference when you look at the teams and rosters. The teams filled with players who decided to do it for lacrosse would struggle to win without their older players. The teams that do not recruit, or openly encourage it would not struggle as much without their older players. To each his own, but there is a difference.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's till happening a lot. And I don't understand why -- especially with the new recruiting rules. Frankly, I find it embarrassing. My kid's a private school kid, and we're not going to do it. I think it's cheating. Just my two cents. What I really don't get is that schools give financial aid to these kids to repeat a grade for sports. I don't understand how any board of any private school is allowing that to happen. If a kid has educational challenges, that is one thing. But reclassing for sports on the school's dime is a waste of resources. Work hard. Get better. Wait your turn.

All these schools have rules about integrity and honor. Well what about it? There is an inherent hypocrisy in letting this happen. I'm not bitter. My kid doesn't "stink" or anything like that -- which I'm sure people will get on here and say -- he can't hang with the big boys. I'm just disappointed that parents -- and schools -- allow kids to take the easy way out, to play down.

Agree with most, but don't think for a second that a private schools success in sports doesn't translate into higher enrollment and Alumni participation. If you took sports away from those schools, how would it change the student landscape and enrollment?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw payday game yesterday. Madlax chemistry and coaching beat Bethesda/DCE's size and moxie. There will be days when the opposite is true, but not yesterday. DCE ongoing issues on face-offs, fixing that would change a lot.

Yeah, Madlax hit em in the mouth and never took the gas off. Lead by 3 or 4 goals the entire game. DCE looked stunned. I think the final score was 8-4.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dukes/Koopers - hold
DCE - buy
Crabs - hold
Hawks - buy
RR - hold
FCA - buy
91MD - sell
MadLax - sell
API - hold
Next Level - sell

Hmmm. Hawks is definitely a buy. They are in a league of their home. Followed closely by reloaded RR and Crabs. Not sure why you are buying DCE. They lost to Madlax today. Or maybe Madlax is better than you thought.

Where did they play at? Was it a close game? Score? Sounds like a good win for MADLAX if this is true. Didn't plates jump ship to DCE?

Madlax won 8-4. Madlax was winning 5-1 and dominated pretty much the entire game.

Madlax got lucky, they will not get lucky again!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's till happening a lot. And I don't understand why -- especially with the new recruiting rules. Frankly, I find it embarrassing. My kid's a private school kid, and we're not going to do it. I think it's cheating. Just my two cents. What I really don't get is that schools give financial aid to these kids to repeat a grade for sports. I don't understand how any board of any private school is allowing that to happen. If a kid has educational challenges, that is one thing. But reclassing for sports on the school's dime is a waste of resources. Work hard. Get better. Wait your turn.

All these schools have rules about integrity and honor. Well what about it? There is an inherent hypocrisy in letting this happen. I'm not bitter. My kid doesn't "stink" or anything like that -- which I'm sure people will get on here and say -- he can't hang with the big boys. I'm just disappointed that parents -- and schools -- allow kids to take the easy way out, to play down.

Agree with most, but don't think for a second that a private schools success in sports doesn't translate into higher enrollment and Alumni participation. If you took sports away from those schools, how would it change the student landscape and enrollment?

Who is saying anything about taking sports away from the schools? When I was in school, lacrosse was just as big as it is now. But no one reclassed. Alum still gave their money, kids still got money to attend the high schools where they were recruited to play. Now it's become a "if you can't beat them, join them" mentality by the parents and the schools. And it's shameful. Like the person said above -- money is given for kids to repeat a grade for a sport. Not for educational purposes. Money is given for a kid to be bigger than other kids and look better than other kids because he is older. Instead of telling that kid - hey, hit the gym, hit the wall, get a trainer - they say, here, repeat a grade. Cheat. Play against people who are younger, smaller, weaker. Beat up on kids who can't afford to repeat, who don't get money from their school to reclass. It's so ridiculous I can't even believe it happens. Yet it does. And everyone just pretends likes it is okay. What a horrible lesson for kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think the new recruiting rules have made it less beneficial to have your kid repeat 7th or 8th grade. There really haven't been that many examples of this happening in the last year. There were no lacrosse players repeating 8th grade at BL or McDonogh this year. I can't speak on the rest, but I don't know of any in Baltimore.

Both McDonogh and BL have pre-first, so they've already done their extra year. That's why there are so many kids on Crabs, FCA and Hawks that are 15 already.

And DCE, RR,MD91,API ---Every team has them

There is a difference between teams that have 1-3 kids that are on the boarder because of their birth date and decided to wait an extra year to go to kindergarten back in 2002-2003, OR maybe a player who was held back because of early educational issues, vs Teams full of players who all decided to do it in 8th grade. One is doing it specifically for lacrosse, the others made the decision early, most likely to accommodate for life circumstances, not necessarily a sport. Its not usually hard to tell the difference when you look at the teams and rosters. The teams filled with players who decided to do it for lacrosse would struggle to win without their older players. The teams that do not recruit, or openly encourage it would not struggle as much without their older players. To each his own, but there is a difference.

Of course there is a difference but just the same every team has them. The playing field is even and every team has a shot at all the same players. Hence tryouts' you can't fault a team that invites kids to a try out . Im pretty sure every single team in the elite division has done this. Who is to say a team would struggle without or gain an advantage with older players. Do you mean because their older players are better than yours. Most teams carry 20-26 players and having 3-4 older players is not exactly filling up the team. Point is I guess , if you have 1 or 4 you are on the same playing field because you both had a shot at 1 or the 4. I totally get the points made with age, pre,heldback etc. No one likes any of it, but don't complain about something you signed up for and happen to be on the losing side of it. Ton of lacrosse levels in this state to place your kid. Placing him in the elite level you agree to all of this! Again, no one likes it but every team plays under the same rules. ( Im all for changing the rules)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax got lucky, they will not get lucky again!!!

Sour grapes^^^

That was a beating. Own up to it like a man. DCE is beatable just like every team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax got lucky, they will not get lucky again!!!

Sour grapes^^^

That was a beating. Own up to it like a man. DCE is beatable just like every team.

Own it like a man? What number were you? Oh, you didn’t actually play, you’re just a dad living through your son’s 8th grade lacrosse conquests? Hahahaha.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's till happening a lot. And I don't understand why -- especially with the new recruiting rules. Frankly, I find it embarrassing. My kid's a private school kid, and we're not going to do it. I think it's cheating. Just my two cents. What I really don't get is that schools give financial aid to these kids to repeat a grade for sports. I don't understand how any board of any private school is allowing that to happen. If a kid has educational challenges, that is one thing. But reclassing for sports on the school's dime is a waste of resources. Work hard. Get better. Wait your turn.

All these schools have rules about integrity and honor. Well what about it? There is an inherent hypocrisy in letting this happen. I'm not bitter. My kid doesn't "stink" or anything like that -- which I'm sure people will get on here and say -- he can't hang with the big boys. I'm just disappointed that parents -- and schools -- allow kids to take the easy way out, to play down.

Agree with most, but don't think for a second that a private schools success in sports doesn't translate into higher enrollment and Alumni participation. If you took sports away from those schools, how would it change the student landscape and enrollment?

Who is saying anything about taking sports away from the schools? When I was in school, lacrosse was just as big as it is now. But no one reclassed. Alum still gave their money, kids still got money to attend the high schools where they were recruited to play. Now it's become a "if you can't beat them, join them" mentality by the parents and the schools. And it's shameful. Like the person said above -- money is given for kids to repeat a grade for a sport. Not for educational purposes. Money is given for a kid to be bigger than other kids and look better than other kids because he is older. Instead of telling that kid - hey, hit the gym, hit the wall, get a trainer - they say, here, repeat a grade. Cheat. Play against people who are younger, smaller, weaker. Beat up on kids who can't afford to repeat, who don't get money from their school to reclass. It's so ridiculous I can't even believe it happens. Yet it does. And everyone just pretends likes it is okay. What a horrible lesson for kids.

It does give kids/schools an advantage and it is currently within the rules, so you cant really fault a private school for doing what it takes to have an edge competitively, because sports is a big draw to enrollment. As long as it is permitted, they will all do it to compete in the athletic popularity contest.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax got lucky, they will not get lucky again!!!

Sour grapes^^^

That was a beating. Own up to it like a man. DCE is beatable just like every team.

DCE has the best talent in the DMV period. DCE has superior coaching and passion. Its a marathon not a sprint. DCE will dominate HOCO along with Hawks. Book it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax got lucky, they will not get lucky again!!!

Sour grapes^^^

That was a beating. Own up to it like a man. DCE is beatable just like every team.

Own it like a man? What number were you? Oh, you didn’t actually play, you’re just a dad living through your son’s 8th grade lacrosse conquests? Hahahaha.

The negativity on here is unbelievable. Sad reflection on some people in this world.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's till happening a lot. And I don't understand why -- especially with the new recruiting rules. Frankly, I find it embarrassing. My kid's a private school kid, and we're not going to do it. I think it's cheating. Just my two cents. What I really don't get is that schools give financial aid to these kids to repeat a grade for sports. I don't understand how any board of any private school is allowing that to happen. If a kid has educational challenges, that is one thing. But reclassing for sports on the school's dime is a waste of resources. Work hard. Get better. Wait your turn.

All these schools have rules about integrity and honor. Well what about it? There is an inherent hypocrisy in letting this happen. I'm not bitter. My kid doesn't "stink" or anything like that -- which I'm sure people will get on here and say -- he can't hang with the big boys. I'm just disappointed that parents -- and schools -- allow kids to take the easy way out, to play down.

Agree with most, but don't think for a second that a private schools success in sports doesn't translate into higher enrollment and Alumni participation. If you took sports away from those schools, how would it change the student landscape and enrollment?

Who is saying anything about taking sports away from the schools? When I was in school, lacrosse was just as big as it is now. But no one reclassed. Alum still gave their money, kids still got money to attend the high schools where they were recruited to play. Now it's become a "if you can't beat them, join them" mentality by the parents and the schools. And it's shameful. Like the person said above -- money is given for kids to repeat a grade for a sport. Not for educational purposes. Money is given for a kid to be bigger than other kids and look better than other kids because he is older. Instead of telling that kid - hey, hit the gym, hit the wall, get a trainer - they say, here, repeat a grade. Cheat. Play against people who are younger, smaller, weaker. Beat up on kids who can't afford to repeat, who don't get money from their school to reclass. It's so ridiculous I can't even believe it happens. Yet it does. And everyone just pretends likes it is okay. What a horrible lesson for kids.

It does give kids/schools an advantage and it is currently within the rules, so you cant really fault a private school for doing what it takes to have an edge competitively, because sports is a big draw to enrollment. As long as it is permitted, they will all do it to compete in the athletic popularity contest.

A 50% scholarship to "re-class" still = a 20K plus tuition payment at Landon, Bullis, .....The average is over 40K. It is a smart move for the school not only do they get extra money but an extra year out of the parents. It is quite brilliant to convince a parent to pay an extra year tuition for the chance for half off a private university to play lacrosse. Those that have enough money it makes sense I guess as you have to spend it somewhere. I just hope a parent would never take a loan to "reclass." This is NOT done to better the school or because alumni care about results on the field it is done because it increases revenue to the school. Ohh plus an extra year of club dues as the club is also tied to the school in many cases.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax got lucky, they will not get lucky again!!!

Sour grapes^^^

That was a beating. Own up to it like a man. DCE is beatable just like every team.

DCE has the best talent in the DMV period. DCE has superior coaching and passion. Its a marathon not a sprint. DCE will dominate HOCO along with Hawks. Book it.

Superior Passion?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax got lucky, they will not get lucky again!!!

How exactly does a team get "lucky" in a game like that? By outworking the other team? That's what Madlax does. If you are not prepared to play, they will punch you in the mouth, take your lunch and run away with it. Watched them do it to our 2022 91 team last year in Philly. They played their butts off. DCE better be prepared to play every game, or there are 7 other teams looking to get "lucky" with them too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax got lucky, they will not get lucky again!!!

Sour grapes^^^

That was a beating. Own up to it like a man. DCE is beatable just like every team.

DCE has the best talent in the DMV period. DCE has superior coaching and passion. Its a marathon not a sprint. DCE will dominate HOCO along with Hawks. Book it.

LOL. Have you seen how terrible the DCE HS program is? The 2021 team is still excellent (though they've lost a ton of guys), but the rest of the HS program is crap.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax got lucky, they will not get lucky again!!!

Sour grapes^^^

That was a beating. Own up to it like a man. DCE is beatable just like every team.

DCE has the best talent in the DMV period. DCE has superior coaching and passion. Its a marathon not a sprint. DCE will dominate HOCO along with Hawks. Book it.

Has the best talent in the DMV really? How many players refused offers from tryouts which made you make offers to other kids? I heard DCE had a lot of kids at tryouts, this team cant be all the best talent from tryouts, no team gets to keep all the talent that comes to there tryouts. Its okay to be in the middle of this pack of teams. It's the best league in the country. It's okay for other teams to have good talent too, is it not?

DCE is aLott better that 92-1 MD.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax got lucky, they will not get lucky again!!!

Sour grapes^^^

That was a beating. Own up to it like a man. DCE is beatable just like every team.

DCE has the best talent in the DMV period. DCE has superior coaching and passion. Its a marathon not a sprint. DCE will dominate HOCO along with Hawks. Book it.

Has the best talent in the DMV really? How many players refused offers from tryouts which made you make offers to other kids? I heard DCE had a lot of kids at tryouts, this team cant be all the best talent from tryouts, no team gets to keep all the talent that comes to there tryouts. Its okay to be in the middle of this pack of teams. It's the best league in the country. It's okay for other teams to have good talent too, is it not?

Stand by best talent in DMV - bulk of team is from a very good Bethesda team, plus best players from Club Blue, Next Level and 3d. Everyone who got offers for DCE top team took the offers. Team loaded with future Gonzaga, Bullis, Landon, Georgetown Prep, Churchill top players. Book it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax got lucky, they will not get lucky again!!!

Sour grapes^^^

That was a beating. Own up to it like a man. DCE is beatable just like every team.

DCE has the best talent in the DMV period. DCE has superior coaching and passion. Its a marathon not a sprint. DCE will dominate HOCO along with Hawks. Book it.

Has the best talent in the DMV really? How many players refused offers from tryouts which made you make offers to other kids? I heard DCE had a lot of kids at tryouts, this team cant be all the best talent from tryouts, no team gets to keep all the talent that comes to there tryouts. Its okay to be in the middle of this pack of teams. It's the best league in the country. It's okay for other teams to have good talent too, is it not?

Stand by best talent in DMV - bulk of team is from a very good Bethesda team, plus best players from Club Blue, Next Level and 3d. Everyone who got offers for DCE top team took the offers. Team loaded with future Gonzaga, Bullis, Landon, Georgetown Prep, Churchill top players. Book it.

Strange that the best talent in DMV couldn't score when they were two men up . . . . even stranger that the best talent in DMV gave up a goal when they were two men up. But I guess it was all luck on Madlax's part.

Due to league politics and money, best team in 2022 division most likely won’t be in the elite division.
Pay your club fees.
Work out year round.
Hold him back.
Sit back next year and watch.
As the colleges focus on others, what will you do?
You can’t play for son.
You can only pay for your son.
Reality.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Due to league politics and money, best team in 2022 division most likely won’t be in the elite division.
Pay your club fees.
Work out year round.
Hold him back.
Sit back next year and watch.
As the colleges focus on others, what will you do?
You can’t play for son.
You can only pay for your son.
Reality.

Drugs are bad.

Saint John’s beat Landon and Georgetown Prep I guess those are the others that didn’t go to DCE

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Due to league politics and money, best team in 2022 division most likely won’t be in the elite division.
Pay your club fees.
Work out year round.
Hold him back.
Sit back next year and watch.
As the colleges focus on others, what will you do?
You can’t play for son.
You can only pay for your son.
Reality.

What is this Haiku?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DCE is aLott better that 92-1 MD.

First place for beating 91MD wins broken arms. Second place gets to see their coach do 50 squat jumps, learns the referee's first names and gets a 45 minute speech about Passion afterwards.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax got lucky, they will not get lucky again!!!

Sour grapes^^^

That was a beating. Own up to it like a man. DCE is beatable just like every team.

DCE has the best talent in the DMV period. DCE has superior coaching and passion. Its a marathon not a sprint. DCE will dominate HOCO along with Hawks. Book it.

Has the best talent in the DMV really? How many players refused offers from tryouts which made you make offers to other kids? I heard DCE had a lot of kids at tryouts, this team cant be all the best talent from tryouts, no team gets to keep all the talent that comes to there tryouts. Its okay to be in the middle of this pack of teams. It's the best league in the country. It's okay for other teams to have good talent too, is it not?

Stand by best talent in DMV - bulk of team is from a very good Bethesda team, plus best players from Club Blue, Next Level and 3d. Everyone who got offers for DCE top team took the offers. Team loaded with future Gonzaga, Bullis, Landon, Georgetown Prep, Churchill top players. Book it.

BEST PLAYERS from Club Blue, Next level and 3d? Those schools are in trouble. lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DCE is aLott better that 92-1 MD.

First place for beating 91MD wins broken arms. Second place gets to see their coach do 50 squat jumps, learns the referee's first names and gets a 45 minute speech about Passion afterwards.

Their 91MD's attack will win most games. Bank on it! Best attack unit in region.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Due to league politics and money, best team in 2022 division most likely won’t be in the elite division.
Pay your club fees.
Work out year round.
Hold him back.
Sit back next year and watch.
As the colleges focus on others, what will you do?
You can’t play for son.
You can only pay for your son.
Reality.

What is this Haiku?

They are obviously talking about Evergreen...truth

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DCE is aLott better that 92-1 MD.

First place for beating 91MD wins broken arms. Second place gets to see their coach do 50 squat jumps, learns the referee's first names and gets a 45 minute speech about Passion afterwards.

Their 91MD's attack will win most games. Bank on it! Best attack unit in region.

Heard it was ranked 3rd overall in the nation, 2nd in region.

Wow you're a **

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DCE is aLott better that 92-1 MD.

First place for beating 91MD wins broken arms. Second place gets to see their coach do 50 squat jumps, learns the referee's first names and gets a 45 minute speech about Passion afterwards.

Their 91MD's attack will win most games. Bank on it! Best attack unit in region.

Whatever you say MARK; your club is a joke!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DCE is aLott better that 92-1 MD.

First place for beating 91MD wins broken arms. Second place gets to see their coach do 50 squat jumps, learns the referee's first names and gets a 45 minute speech about Passion afterwards.

Their 91MD's attack will win most games. Bank on it! Best attack unit in region.

I saw that poll! It over-sampled airline pilots who fly between Texas and MD.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did API and Crabs look today

Watched one game involving Dukes and API, and another involving Crabs and Philadelphia Freedom. All of these teams looked solid, and the potential for growth and development opportunities was apparent. Dukes had kids from Koopers, Rising Sons, Looneys and I believe Brotherly Love (?) playing on team. Dukes goalie could not have been a 2022 (he was enormous and had facial hair), but someone mentioned the regular goalie was out of town. Dukes built a halftime lead over API but API played them even in second half, and always appeared competitive. Got some very good LSM play. Dukes defense solid, but all scoring came from two kids. Dukes deeper/more talented, but did not appear "invincible".

Crabs beat a very good Freedom team by 3 goals. Like all the teams I observed, way too many turnovers and losses of possession. Physical play. Good goaltending and adequate defense. Offense looked improved over what i observed last year.

By the way, the Delaware facility is tremendous. Shame we don't have a similar complex in Maryland. All of these 2022 teams looked great and not much separates them. Wish I could have seem a Hawks game, but most of the 2022's played at the same time intervals.

Facial Hair! Hilarious.. So many over age players for the proper grade now. It is a shame, but it does work..Look at Dukes roster. They show birthdays for many players. Some are two years older than they should be for class. Many are 1 and many are older for their year. Bottom line. Hold your child back if you want to play D1. Your changes are better.

The goalie does not have facial hair. He is the usual goalie for the team. He plays for Koopers. Not sure where you think that Dukes has a roster posted at all, let alone one with birthdates. My son is on the team as well as 2 of his club teammates and all 3 of them are normal age 2022 players.

Normal age like 19?

HOCO Schedule? What's the holdup?

People maneuvering?

Elite Division predictions?

Sat 3/24/18 TBA Team 91 vs. Madlax - Capital

Sat 3/24/18 10:30am Annapolis Hawks vs. FCA - Blue Blandair Park # 1

Sat 3/24/18 12pm DC Express - Black vs. API Diamondbacks Blandair Park # 1

Sat 3/24/18 4:30pm Crabs vs. Roughriders

Next Level scheduled in AA Division

Next Level and Kooper's both scheduled for AA?
I thought that the Kooper's team was suppose to be revamped and loaded with there 21 kids who were suppose to be 22 kids. Did the Pietramala boys go to Crabs? 7 teams in the elite division

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level and Kooper's both scheduled for AA?
I thought that the Kooper's team was suppose to be revamped and loaded with there 21 kids who were suppose to be 22 kids. Did the Pietramala boys go to Crabs? 7 teams in the elite division

8 teams not 7

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level and Kooper's both scheduled for AA?
I thought that the Kooper's team was suppose to be revamped and loaded with there 21 kids who were suppose to be 22 kids. Did the Pietramala boys go to Crabs? 7 teams in the elite division

8 teams not 7

Koopers is supposed to have 2 teams at 2022. Elite may have a bye.

Duke's/Koopers Makes 9(week 1 bye)...AA Koopers is their 2022

St. John’s just beat St. Albans, close game until the middle of the fourth quarter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

St. John’s just beat St. Albans, close game until the middle of the fourth quarter.

St Albans without their #1 FOGO

So Saint John’ didn’t first or second string Fogo .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So Saint John’ didn’t first or second string Fogo .

St Albans FOGO is ridiculous and a game changer; if he’s in that’s a completely different game. Nice win though.

My 14yo 2022 has facial hair and needs to start shaving soon it seems. Puberty happens at different rates, we all know this. I wouldn’t judge an age based on facial hair anymore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My 14yo 2022 has facial hair and needs to start shaving soon it seems. Puberty happens at different rates, we all know this. I wouldn’t judge an age based on facial hair anymore.

5 o'clock shadow is still rare at 14 my friend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My 14yo 2022 has facial hair and needs to start shaving soon it seems. Puberty happens at different rates, we all know this. I wouldn’t judge an age based on facial hair anymore.

5 o'clock shadow is still rare at 14 my friend.

5 o'clock shadow and a drivers license might give a clue.

Let’s take the High School talk over to it’s forum.

How did everyone look this weekend?

1st week game predictions?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My 14yo 2022 has facial hair and needs to start shaving soon it seems. Puberty happens at different rates, we all know this. I wouldn’t judge an age based on facial hair anymore.

5 o'clock shadow is still rare at 14 my friend.

5 o'clock shadow and a drivers license might give a clue.

Are you sure? A 5 o'clock shadow and a drivers license describes the vast majority of Carroll County lacrosse moms.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So Saint John’ didn’t first or second string Fogo .

Haha- you gives a [ChillLaxin] about Saint John’s Lacrosse

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sat 3/24/18 TBA Team 91 vs. Madlax - Capital - Madlax in a close one

Sat 3/24/18 10:30am Annapolis Hawks vs. FCA - Blue Blandair Park # 1 - Hawks in a close one

Sat 3/24/18 12pm DC Express - Black vs. API Diamondbacks Blandair Park # 1 - DC Express big

Sat 3/24/18 4:30pm Crabs vs. Roughriders - RR big

Next Level scheduled in AA Division

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sat 3/24/18 TBA Team 91 vs. Madlax - Capital - Madlax in a close one

Sat 3/24/18 10:30am Annapolis Hawks vs. FCA - Blue Blandair Park # 1 - Hawks in a close one

Sat 3/24/18 12pm DC Express - Black vs. API Diamondbacks Blandair Park # 1 - DC Express big

Sat 3/24/18 4:30pm Crabs vs. Roughriders - RR big

Next Level scheduled in AA Division

Looks like Madlax game will be moved to another day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sat 3/24/18 TBA Team 91 vs. Madlax - Capital - Madlax in a close one

Sat 3/24/18 10:30am Annapolis Hawks vs. FCA - Blue Blandair Park # 1 - Hawks in a close one

Sat 3/24/18 12pm DC Express - Black vs. API Diamondbacks Blandair Park # 1 - DC Express big

Sat 3/24/18 4:30pm Crabs vs. Roughriders - RR big

Next Level scheduled in AA Division

Looks like Madlax game will be moved to another day.

Rumor is that Madlax didnt want to face the 91 attack unit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sat 3/24/18 TBA Team 91 vs. Madlax - Capital - Madlax in a close one

Sat 3/24/18 10:30am Annapolis Hawks vs. FCA - Blue Blandair Park # 1 - Hawks in a close one

Sat 3/24/18 12pm DC Express - Black vs. API Diamondbacks Blandair Park # 1 - DC Express big

Sat 3/24/18 4:30pm Crabs vs. Roughriders - RR big

Next Level scheduled in AA Division

Looks like Madlax game will be moved to another day.

Rumor is that Madlax didnt want to face the 91 attack unit.

Madlax is probably trying to find a time when 91MD cant fly in their better attackman from Texas.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My 14yo 2022 has facial hair and needs to start shaving soon it seems. Puberty happens at different rates, we all know this. I wouldn’t judge an age based on facial hair anymore.

5 o'clock shadow is still rare at 14 my friend.

5 o'clock shadow and a drivers license might give a clue.

Are you sure? A 5 o'clock shadow and a drivers license describes the vast majority of Carroll County lacrosse moms.

This is a lacrosse forum, why would you mention Carroll County.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My 14yo 2022 has facial hair and needs to start shaving soon it seems. Puberty happens at different rates, we all know this. I wouldn’t judge an age based on facial hair anymore.

5 o'clock shadow is still rare at 14 my friend.

5 o'clock shadow and a drivers license might give a clue.

Are you sure? A 5 o'clock shadow and a drivers license describes the vast majority of Carroll County lacrosse moms.

This is a lacrosse forum, why would you mention Carroll County.

Check how many kids go to top private schools and play lacrosse from CC. Then go check the latest ranking for the top 13 teams in Maryland to figure out why CC is pertinent to Lacrosse. CC Public High Schools have consistently participated in 4A, 3A and 2A State Semis and Championships over the last 10 years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So Saint John’ didn’t first or second string Fogo .

Haha- you gives a [ChillLaxin] about Saint John’s Lacrosse

Clearly GTown Prep and Landon do now since SJC beat them in the past two weeks.

Get back to your O's, crabs, and Cal in addition to your work release program in Balmore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My 14yo 2022 has facial hair and needs to start shaving soon it seems. Puberty happens at different rates, we all know this. I wouldn’t judge an age based on facial hair anymore.

5 o'clock shadow is still rare at 14 my friend.

5 o'clock shadow and a drivers license might give a clue.

Are you sure? A 5 o'clock shadow and a drivers license describes the vast majority of Carroll County lacrosse moms.

This is a lacrosse forum, why would you mention Carroll County.

Check how many kids go to top private schools and play lacrosse from CC. Then go check the latest ranking for the top 13 teams in Maryland to figure out why CC is pertinent to Lacrosse. CC Public High Schools have consistently participated in 4A, 3A and 2A State Semis and Championships over the last 10 years.

Westminster is the only solid program in CC. The leagues and teams they play are horrible. Someone from that region has to come out , hence trips to State playoffs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sat 3/24/18 TBA Team 91 vs. Madlax - Capital - Madlax in a close one

Sat 3/24/18 10:30am Annapolis Hawks vs. FCA - Blue Blandair Park # 1 - Hawks in a close one

Sat 3/24/18 12pm DC Express - Black vs. API Diamondbacks Blandair Park # 1 - DC Express big

Sat 3/24/18 4:30pm Crabs vs. Roughriders - RR big

Next Level scheduled in AA Division

Looks like Madlax game will be moved to another day.

Rumor is that Madlax didnt want to face the 91 attack unit.

Madlax is probably trying to find a time when 91MD cant fly in their better attackman from Texas.

I would take MadLax attack over 91md attack all day long.

Looks like Madlax game will be moved to another day. [/quote]

Rumor is that Madlax didnt want to face the 91 attack unit. [/quote]

Madlax is probably trying to find a time when 91MD cant fly in their better attackman from Texas.[/quote]

I would take MadLax attack over 91md attack all day long. [/quote]

^^^Didn't you hear that MD91's attack unit is the self proclaimed "best in the nation"?

Westminster is the only solid program in CC. The leagues and teams they play are horrible. Someone from that region has to come out , hence trips to State playoffs. [/quote]

Dematha, Fallston, Kent Island and MSJ are horrible? They scrimmaged Churchill and South River last weekend and won those scrimmages? Are they horrible teams? South Carroll High School played in the 2A State Semi-final Last year. Liberty High School Played in the 2A State Championship 2 years ago and 2 State Semis the 2 years prior. Say what you want, but plenty of great CC players going to D1 and D3 colleges each year.

Back to 2022 talk.

Anyone have any info on when the rest of the schedule will be put out?

Go to HS Forum people

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Madlax game will be moved to another day.

Rumor is that Madlax didnt want to face the 91 attack unit.

Madlax is probably trying to find a time when 91MD cant fly in their better attackman from Texas.

I would take MadLax attack over 91md attack all day long.

^^^Didn't you hear that MD91's attack unit is the self proclaimed "best in the nation"?

No... Best in World!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Back to 2022 talk.

Anyone have any info on when the rest of the schedule will be put out?

Go to HS Forum people

I would hate to be the guy at Parks and Rec who has to deal with coaches who are already trying to reschedule games in order to get their out of state players here for week one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Westminster is the only solid program in CC. The leagues and teams they play are horrible. Someone from that region has to come out , hence trips to State playoffs.

Dematha, Fallston, Kent Island and MSJ are horrible? They scrimmaged Churchill and South River last weekend and won those scrimmages? Are they horrible teams? South Carroll High School played in the 2A State Semi-final Last year. Liberty High School Played in the 2A State Championship 2 years ago and 2 State Semis the 2 years prior. Say what you want, but plenty of great CC players going to D1 and D3 colleges each year.

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Congrats! Now take your immense knowledge of the 2A over to the Hogh school forum. You and the St. John’s enthusiasts can argue with the Spalding guys on how great you and will be in the futures.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would hate to be the guy at Parks and Rec who has to deal with coaches who are already trying to reschedule games in order to get their out of state players here for week one.

Pretty easy if you just say no, play the games when they are scheduled or forfeit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Westminster is the only solid program in CC. The leagues and teams they play are horrible. Someone from that region has to come out , hence trips to State playoffs.

Dematha, Fallston, Kent Island and MSJ are horrible? They scrimmaged Churchill and South River last weekend and won those scrimmages? Are they horrible teams? South Carroll High School played in the 2A State Semi-final Last year. Liberty High School Played in the 2A State Championship 2 years ago and 2 State Semis the 2 years prior. Say what you want, but plenty of great CC players going to D1 and D3 colleges each year.

Congrats! Now take your immense knowledge of the 2A over to the Hogh school forum. You and the St. John’s enthusiasts can argue with the Spalding guys on how great you and will be in the futures.
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Forum Police! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8LtffE5mU8

Sat 3/24/18 TBA Team 91 vs. Madlax - Capital - Team 91, coaching matters and there is none better in the League offensively.

Sat 3/24/18 10:30am Annapolis Hawks vs. FCA - Blue Blandair Park # 1 - Hawks win by 4 in a squeaker

Sat 3/24/18 12pm DC Express - Black vs. API Diamondbacks Blandair Park # 1 - API gets lost on the way to game and forfeits.

Sat 3/24/18 4:30pm Crabs vs. Roughriders - RM weaves his magic and motivates his boys to beat the RR by 2.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Back to 2022 talk.

Anyone have any info on when the rest of the schedule will be put out?

Go to HS Forum people

I would hate to be the guy at Parks and Rec who has to deal with coaches who are already trying to reschedule games in order to get their out of state players here for week one.

I hope that isn’t the case. Holding up a league because you decided to load your team with traveling players is BS. Play when your told or find another league.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sat 3/24/18 TBA Team 91 vs. Madlax - Capital - Team 91, coaching matters and there is none better in the League offensively.

Sat 3/24/18 10:30am Annapolis Hawks vs. FCA - Blue Blandair Park # 1 - Hawks win by 4 in a squeaker

Sat 3/24/18 12pm DC Express - Black vs. API Diamondbacks Blandair Park # 1 - API gets lost on the way to game and forfeits.

Sat 3/24/18 4:30pm Crabs vs. Roughriders - RM weaves his magic and motivates his boys to beat the RR by 2.

Madlax wins a close game.
Hawks win big. (Remember last years opener. Hawks destroyed API. Better prepared)
DC Express big. Come on it’s API.
RR win in a close one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sat 3/24/18 TBA Team 91 vs. Madlax - Capital - Team 91, coaching matters and there is none better in the League offensively.

Sat 3/24/18 10:30am Annapolis Hawks vs. FCA - Blue Blandair Park # 1 - Hawks win by 4 in a squeaker

Sat 3/24/18 12pm DC Express - Black vs. API Diamondbacks Blandair Park # 1 - API gets lost on the way to game and forfeits.

Sat 3/24/18 4:30pm Crabs vs. Roughriders - RM weaves his magic and motivates his boys to beat the RR by 2.

I would add RM motivates his players with a free car wash for their cars they drive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sat 3/24/18 TBA Team 91 vs. Madlax - Capital - Team 91, coaching matters and there is none better in the League offensively.

Sat 3/24/18 10:30am Annapolis Hawks vs. FCA - Blue Blandair Park # 1 - Hawks win by 4 in a squeaker

Sat 3/24/18 12pm DC Express - Black vs. API Diamondbacks Blandair Park # 1 - API gets lost on the way to game and forfeits.

Sat 3/24/18 4:30pm Crabs vs. Roughriders - RM weaves his magic and motivates his boys to beat the RR by 2.

I would add RM motivates his players with a free car wash for their cars they drive.

For Crabs, it will all depend on if the California, Texas, Florida and NY kids show up for HOCO games. Without those kids Crabs won't be competitive.

Sat 3/24/18 TBA Team 91 vs. Madlax - Capital - Team 91, coaching matters and there is none better in the League offensively.
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Have you seen their "offense" play? Defense and goal tending will win games for Team91MD again this year, assuming their offense can average over 6 points per game against the better teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sat 3/24/18 TBA Team 91 vs. Madlax - Capital - Team 91, coaching matters and there is none better in the League offensively.

Sat 3/24/18 10:30am Annapolis Hawks vs. FCA - Blue Blandair Park # 1 - Hawks win by 4 in a squeaker

Sat 3/24/18 12pm DC Express - Black vs. API Diamondbacks Blandair Park # 1 - API gets lost on the way to game and forfeits.

Sat 3/24/18 4:30pm Crabs vs. Roughriders - RM weaves his magic and motivates his boys to beat the RR by 2.

I would add RM motivates his players with a free car wash for their cars they drive.

For Crabs, it will all depend on if the California, Texas, Florida and NY kids show up for HOCO games. Without those kids Crabs won't be competitive.

RM takes a "big tent" approach to motivation. Feel sorry for the kids who played full price for their Crabs gear and won't log many minutes. The up side is their gear will fetch a higher price as only slightly used on Sideline Swap.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sat 3/24/18 TBA Team 91 vs. Madlax - Capital - Team 91, coaching matters and there is none better in the League offensively.

Have you seen their "offense" play? Defense and goal tending will win games for Team91MD again this year, assuming their offense can average over 6 points per game against the better teams. [/quote]

91 struggled last year in league play to score in the majority of their games. They did a little better in tournaments during the summer. Coaching and preparing though for a single game for a specific opponent is way different then a 3 or 5 game tournament where teams are randomly selected. (supposed to be randomly selected). To say also that he is the best offensive coach in league is a huge stretch. MM isn't the only ALL WORLD player who coaches in the league.There are former MLL coaches and players, former ALL Americans , college and world champions coaching these teams in this elite league. Remind you that he was a terrific player but in game coaching is not the same. Last year alone he lost his cool numerous times on the field when his offense was dominated by opposing defenses. Also witnessed him completely stop coaching his team after getting behind in games. There is a ton of great talent on every team and some of these games will come down to Coaching .

So no Koopers/Dukes team in the elite division?
Why is only the first week schedule up and no list of teams in the league?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So no Koopers/Dukes team in the elite division?
Why is only the first week schedule up and no list of teams in the league?

There are 9 teams in the elite division. Koopers has a bye. Not sure why they haven't loaded the teams in the standings.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DCE
Hawks
RR
Koopers/Dukes
Crabs
FCA
91md
Madlax
API
Next Level

Looks like NL got dropped out of elite division. Good.

#fakenews

Care to rethink your #fakenews response?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sat 3/24/18 TBA Team 91 vs. Madlax - Capital - Team 91, coaching matters and there is none better in the League offensively.

Have you seen their "offense" play? Defense and goal tending will win games for Team91MD again this year, assuming their offense can average over 6 points per game against the better teams.

91 struggled last year in league play to score in the majority of their games. They did a little better in tournaments during the summer. Coaching and preparing though for a single game for a specific opponent is way different then a 3 or 5 game tournament where teams are randomly selected. (supposed to be randomly selected). To say also that he is the best offensive coach in league is a huge stretch. MM isn't the only ALL WORLD player who coaches in the league.There are former MLL coaches and players, former ALL Americans , college and world champions coaching these teams in this elite league. Remind you that he was a terrific player but in game coaching is not the same. Last year alone he lost his cool numerous times on the field when his offense was dominated by opposing defenses. Also witnessed him completely stop coaching his team after getting behind in games. There is a ton of great talent on every team and some of these games will come down to Coaching . [/quote]

So much this^^^

The offense for Md91 was the weakness of that team. Not only in the spring, but also in the summer.

But I forgot, they have the self proclaimed "best attack in the nation".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sat 3/24/18 TBA Team 91 vs. Madlax - Capital - Team 91, coaching matters and there is none better in the League offensively.

Have you seen their "offense" play? Defense and goal tending will win games for Team91MD again this year, assuming their offense can average over 6 points per game against the better teams.

91 struggled last year in league play to score in the majority of their games. They did a little better in tournaments during the summer. Coaching and preparing though for a single game for a specific opponent is way different then a 3 or 5 game tournament where teams are randomly selected. (supposed to be randomly selected). To say also that he is the best offensive coach in league is a huge stretch. MM isn't the only ALL WORLD player who coaches in the league.There are former MLL coaches and players, former ALL Americans , college and world champions coaching these teams in this elite league. Remind you that he was a terrific player but in game coaching is not the same. Last year alone he lost his cool numerous times on the field when his offense was dominated by opposing defenses. Also witnessed him completely stop coaching his team after getting behind in games. There is a ton of great talent on every team and some of these games will come down to Coaching .

So much this^^^

The offense for Md91 was the weakness of that team. Not only in the spring, but also in the summer.

But I forgot, they have the self proclaimed "best attack in the nation".

Quit talking trash.... Best in world !!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So no Koopers/Dukes team in the elite division?
Why is only the first week schedule up and no list of teams in the league?

There are 9 teams in the elite division. Koopers has a bye. Not sure why they haven't loaded the teams in the standings.

Koopers are currently looking to hire and um poach quality coaches. These are paid positions. $$$$

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So no Koopers/Dukes team in the elite division?
Why is only the first week schedule up and no list of teams in the league?

There are 9 teams in the elite division. Koopers has a bye. Not sure why they haven't loaded the teams in the standings.

Koopers are currently looking to hire and um poach quality coaches. These are paid positions. $$$$

Can we take a survey? What clubs have all paid coaches? What clubs have only dad/free coaches?

Is Koopers looking for a 2022 Coach or another year? Anyone know?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Koopers looking for a 2022 Coach or another year? Anyone know?

Where is this stuff about a Koopers coach coming from?

Will the season start this weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sat 3/24/18 TBA Team 91 vs. Madlax - Capital - Team 91, coaching matters and there is none better in the League offensively.

Have you seen their "offense" play? Defense and goal tending will win games for Team91MD again this year, assuming their offense can average over 6 points per game against the better teams.

91 struggled last year in league play to score in the majority of their games. They did a little better in tournaments during the summer. Coaching and preparing though for a single game for a specific opponent is way different then a 3 or 5 game tournament where teams are randomly selected. (supposed to be randomly selected). To say also that he is the best offensive coach in league is a huge stretch. MM isn't the only ALL WORLD player who coaches in the league.There are former MLL coaches and players, former ALL Americans , college and world champions coaching these teams in this elite league. Remind you that he was a terrific player but in game coaching is not the same. Last year alone he lost his cool numerous times on the field when his offense was dominated by opposing defenses. Also witnessed him completely stop coaching his team after getting behind in games. There is a ton of great talent on every team and some of these games will come down to Coaching .

So much this^^^

The offense for Md91 was the weakness of that team. Not only in the spring, but also in the summer.

But I forgot, they have the self proclaimed "best attack in the nation". [/quote]

They have had some very talented offensive players. The struggle certainly is not due to a lack of talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Koopers looking for a 2022 Coach or another year? Anyone know?

Where is this stuff about a Koopers coach coming from?

Their Facebook page

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sat 3/24/18 TBA Team 91 vs. Madlax - Capital - Team 91, coaching matters and there is none better in the League offensively.

Have you seen their "offense" play? Defense and goal tending will win games for Team91MD again this year, assuming their offense can average over 6 points per game against the better teams.

91 struggled last year in league play to score in the majority of their games. They did a little better in tournaments during the summer. Coaching and preparing though for a single game for a specific opponent is way different then a 3 or 5 game tournament where teams are randomly selected. (supposed to be randomly selected). To say also that he is the best offensive coach in league is a huge stretch. MM isn't the only ALL WORLD player who coaches in the league.There are former MLL coaches and players, former ALL Americans , college and world champions coaching these teams in this elite league. Remind you that he was a terrific player but in game coaching is not the same. Last year alone he lost his cool numerous times on the field when his offense was dominated by opposing defenses. Also witnessed him completely stop coaching his team after getting behind in games. There is a ton of great talent on every team and some of these games will come down to Coaching .

So much this^^^

The offense for Md91 was the weakness of that team. Not only in the spring, but also in the summer.

But I forgot, they have the self proclaimed "best attack in the nation".

They have had some very talented offensive players. The struggle certainly is not due to a lack of talent.

Are you saying its coaching?? Kid get cut? He is one of the best on East Coast

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sat 3/24/18 TBA Team 91 vs. Madlax - Capital - Team 91, coaching matters and there is none better in the League offensively.

Have you seen their "offense" play? Defense and goal tending will win games for Team91MD again this year, assuming their offense can average over 6 points per game against the better teams.

91 struggled last year in league play to score in the majority of their games. They did a little better in tournaments during the summer. Coaching and preparing though for a single game for a specific opponent is way different then a 3 or 5 game tournament where teams are randomly selected. (supposed to be randomly selected). To say also that he is the best offensive coach in league is a huge stretch. MM isn't the only ALL WORLD player who coaches in the league.There are former MLL coaches and players, former ALL Americans , college and world champions coaching these teams in this elite league. Remind you that he was a terrific player but in game coaching is not the same. Last year alone he lost his cool numerous times on the field when his offense was dominated by opposing defenses. Also witnessed him completely stop coaching his team after getting behind in games. There is a ton of great talent on every team and some of these games will come down to Coaching .

So much this^^^

The offense for Md91 was the weakness of that team. Not only in the spring, but also in the summer.

But I forgot, they have the self proclaimed "best attack in the nation".

They have had some very talented offensive players. The struggle certainly is not due to a lack of talent.

Are you saying its coaching?? Kid get cut? He is one of the best on East Coast

Best what ? Coach?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sat 3/24/18 TBA Team 91 vs. Madlax - Capital - Team 91, coaching matters and there is none better in the League offensively.

Have you seen their "offense" play? Defense and goal tending will win games for Team91MD again this year, assuming their offense can average over 6 points per game against the better teams.

91 struggled last year in league play to score in the majority of their games. They did a little better in tournaments during the summer. Coaching and preparing though for a single game for a specific opponent is way different then a 3 or 5 game tournament where teams are randomly selected. (supposed to be randomly selected). To say also that he is the best offensive coach in league is a huge stretch. MM isn't the only ALL WORLD player who coaches in the league.There are former MLL coaches and players, former ALL Americans , college and world champions coaching these teams in this elite league. Remind you that he was a terrific player but in game coaching is not the same. Last year alone he lost his cool numerous times on the field when his offense was dominated by opposing defenses. Also witnessed him completely stop coaching his team after getting behind in games. There is a ton of great talent on every team and some of these games will come down to Coaching .

So much this^^^

The offense for Md91 was the weakness of that team. Not only in the spring, but also in the summer.

But I forgot, they have the self proclaimed "best attack in the nation".

They have had some very talented offensive players. The struggle certainly is not due to a lack of talent.

Are you saying its coaching?? Kid get cut? He is one of the best on East Coast

Do you actually know the difference between good and bad coaching?

Road to the CHAMPIONSHIP begins tomorrow.

Who you got???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sat 3/24/18 TBA Team 91 vs. Madlax - Capital - Team 91, coaching matters and there is none better in the League offensively.

Have you seen their "offense" play? Defense and goal tending will win games for Team91MD again this year, assuming their offense can average over 6 points per game against the better teams.

91 struggled last year in league play to score in the majority of their games. They did a little better in tournaments during the summer. Coaching and preparing though for a single game for a specific opponent is way different then a 3 or 5 game tournament where teams are randomly selected. (supposed to be randomly selected). To say also that he is the best offensive coach in league is a huge stretch. MM isn't the only ALL WORLD player who coaches in the league.There are former MLL coaches and players, former ALL Americans , college and world champions coaching these teams in this elite league. Remind you that he was a terrific player but in game coaching is not the same. Last year alone he lost his cool numerous times on the field when his offense was dominated by opposing defenses. Also witnessed him completely stop coaching his team after getting behind in games. There is a ton of great talent on every team and some of these games will come down to Coaching .

So much this^^^

The offense for Md91 was the weakness of that team. Not only in the spring, but also in the summer.

But I forgot, they have the self proclaimed "best attack in the nation".

They have had some very talented offensive players. The struggle certainly is not due to a lack of talent.

Are you saying its coaching?? Kid got cut? He is one of the best on East Coast

Best what ? Coach?

Yes Coach!! none better

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sat 3/24/18 TBA Team 91 vs. Madlax - Capital - Team 91, coaching matters and there is none better in the League offensively.

Have you seen their "offense" play? Defense and goal tending will win games for Team91MD again this year, assuming their offense can average over 6 points per game against the better teams.

91 struggled last year in league play to score in the majority of their games. They did a little better in tournaments during the summer. Coaching and preparing though for a single game for a specific opponent is way different then a 3 or 5 game tournament where teams are randomly selected. (supposed to be randomly selected). To say also that he is the best offensive coach in league is a huge stretch. MM isn't the only ALL WORLD player who coaches in the league.There are former MLL coaches and players, former ALL Americans , college and world champions coaching these teams in this elite league. Remind you that he was a terrific player but in game coaching is not the same. Last year alone he lost his cool numerous times on the field when his offense was dominated by opposing defenses. Also witnessed him completely stop coaching his team after getting behind in games. There is a ton of great talent on every team and some of these games will come down to Coaching .

So much this^^^

The offense for Md91 was the weakness of that team. Not only in the spring, but also in the summer.

But I forgot, they have the self proclaimed "best attack in the nation".

They have had some very talented offensive players. The struggle certainly is not due to a lack of talent.

Are you saying its coaching?? Kid get cut? He is one of the best on East Coast

Best what ? Coach?

Salesman!

Can someone list the final roster of teams in the Elite and AA divisions. I see the first week schedules for tomorrow, but are their odd number of teams in the league and thus teams not on the schedule for tomorrow?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Road to the CHAMPIONSHIP begins tomorrow.

Who you got???

Evergreen!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Road to the CHAMPIONSHIP begins tomorrow.

Who you got???

Evergreen!![/quot

Elite - API
AA - Cannons
A - Evergreen
B - Breakers

API may not win a game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Road to the CHAMPIONSHIP begins tomorrow.

Who you got???

Evergreen!![/quot

Elite - API
AA - Cannons
A - Evergreen
B - Breakers

Crabs
Zingo's
Breakers

Coaching will dominate at this age

Hawks
Koopers
USS
Breakers

4 champions
Express elite
Club blue or express AA
MDX A
Who knows B

Good luck to everybody today. Hope the boys have fun playing some great lax. Banter aside, these kids are good.

Any updates scores from the 2022 play today?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any updates scores from the 2022 play today?

Hawks won

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any updates scores from the 2022 play today?

Hawks won

Watched Hawks-FCA and DCE-API. Hawks game was "men versus boys". The looked like a well oiled machine despite it being the first game of season Won by 11 and though scored occasionally in unsettled situations, the mainly scored from top down, initiated from "x". Defense was outstanding to the mid-line and relentless chasing by short sticks, Both goalies played great. FCA is a good team but not as polished and prepared, Good upside apparent but some defensive lapses and midfield could not match up.

DCE is a very good team but not as dominant as Hawks. Won their game by 6, but it was closer (3 goal differential) for most of the game. More seasoned and prepared at this point than API, but scored a number of unsettled and a couple of "fluke" goals -- one off defender who went down, and another that put the API goalie down momentarily that trickled in. You can see API has some horses and easily could have scored a few more goals if shoot accuracy was somewhat better and defense looked decent; but lacked midfield depth and size. Credit to both DCE goalies who were outstanding. A couple of undersized API middies got run over by much larger DCE middies that resulted in point blank shots. Like FCA, API has a high ceiling and don't think there is much separating them and the likes of Crabs, RR, Madlax and 91. DCE and Hawks are another story though and both looked fabulous. HOCO should have a Super Elite division for DCE, Dukes/Koopers, Hawks, and invite three other "national teams" or super elites like Igloo, LIE and Edge (Canada) to play in it.

11-4 Crabs over RR. Crabs looked good big and fast. RR's looked like it was their first day of practice and ready to play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

11-4 Crabs over RR. Crabs looked good big and fast. RR's looked like it was their first day of practice and ready to play.

I watched first half of game as well. Crabs completely dominated and score could’ve been worse - RR goalie may be the best in the league. Biggest thing I saw (or heard) was tubby RM screaming every 2 minutes like a child. Crabs are good but who would subject their kids to that drama? He’s an a**

When does MadLax and 91 play?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

11-4 Crabs over RR. Crabs looked good big and fast. RR's looked like it was their first day of practice and ready to play.

I watched first half of game as well. Crabs completely dominated and score could’ve been worse - RR goalie may be the best in the league. Biggest thing I saw (or heard) was tubby RM screaming every 2 minutes like a child. Crabs are good but who would subject their kids to that drama? He’s an a**

Crabs played well, but the RRers went a long way toward beating themselves today. Can't score if you don't possess; can't possess if you're not passing and catching worth a hoot. Uncharacteristically poor play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

11-4 Crabs over RR. Crabs looked good big and fast. RR's looked like it was their first day of practice and ready to play.

I watched first half of game as well. Crabs completely dominated and score could’ve been worse - RR goalie may be the best in the league. Biggest thing I saw (or heard) was tubby RM screaming every 2 minutes like a child. Crabs are good but who would subject their kids to that drama? He’s an a**

Crabs played well, but the RRers went a long way toward beating themselves today. Can't score if you don't possess; can't possess if you're not passing and catching worth a hoot. Uncharacteristically poor play.

And that is OK. RR is a good team as are all the teams in 2022 "Elite". But every team will likely experience an off day. Hope everyone has a great week of practice and comes back even more determined next game!

Crabs are big. Imagine that. They are pre-first/re-classed. Hawks will spank them even more than usual now that they have joined the reclass bandwagon. If you wanna see two of the most annoying coaches in youth lacrosse - be sure to check out that game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are big. Imagine that. They are pre-first/re-classed. Hawks will spank them even more than usual now that they have joined the reclass bandwagon. If you wanna see two of the most annoying coaches in youth lacrosse - be sure to check out that game.

Reclass bandwagon? Which team are you from?
Every single team in this league has holdbacks!
Who coaches your team? Annoying coaches ? Do you mean annoying winners.,
RM might have the most elite level coaching wins ever-
Hawks coach has more wins than another 2022 coach since 4th grade and it’s not even close-
And for all the annoying winning they both due my bet is sore losers like you will be right up against the fence watching them play each other. Believe me, the only people that find them annoying are the people who don’t play for them.

Keep drinking the cool aid & exposing your kid(s) to his negativity....shame on you! When a coach has to bring kids in from other states to play a game, that should tell you something.
My kid wasn’t even playing in that game, had to leave at 1/2 because I could not stand listening to fat a** belittle his team....screaming that one of his players was cradling like a 12 year old! Seriously? Well for true 2022’s, that was just last year. Hmmmmmmmmm

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Keep drinking the cool aid & exposing your kid(s) to his negativity....shame on you! When a coach has to bring kids in from other states to play a game, that should tell you something.
My kid wasn’t even playing in that game, had to leave at 1/2 because I could not stand listening to fat a** belittle his team....screaming that one of his players was cradling like a 12 year old! Seriously? Well for true 2022’s, that was just last year. Hmmmmmmmmm

Criticizing someone based on what they look like is about as pathetic as it gets. Congrats - you've won our "loser of the month" award. Prize will be forthcoming.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When does MadLax and 91 play?

Whenever the men from Texas are off Spring Break.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Keep drinking the cool aid & exposing your kid(s) to his negativity....shame on you! When a coach has to bring kids in from other states to play a game, that should tell you something.
My kid wasn’t even playing in that game, had to leave at 1/2 because I could not stand listening to fat a** belittle his team....screaming that one of his players was cradling like a 12 year old! Seriously? Well for true 2022’s, that was just last year. Hmmmmmmmmm

Criticizing someone based on what they look like is about as pathetic as it gets. Congrats - you've won our "loser of the month" award. Prize will be forthcoming.

Shame on you. lol
Club lacrosse teams have been fielding teams with 'out of state' players since its inception . This is nothing new. The only people who are offended by it, are those that still treat their kids like 12 year olds. My bet is the player was cradling like a 12 year old and was final called out on it. Which will make him a better cradler. Which team do you belong too? Who is the coach? Clearly who protect your kid from any negativity especially on the lacrosse field - Shame on you!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When does MadLax and 91 play?

Whenever the men from Texas are off Spring Break.

Any scores form yesterday

Nothing to do with what he looks like, believe me...ALL about how he screams at the players on the field. Loser of the month goes to you and the rest of the parents that are ok with his behavior. But I guess you are all ok with it, seeing how the players all cheered when they hit a kid in the back of the head and no penalty was called. Seems to be the culture being taught on the field and at home. Your prize is forthcoming as well, well done

Well the league is off to a great start with many outstanding 9th grade players. Most teams have the 9th graders now playing as 8th graders. The big thing is who has the most 9th graders . My bet is on the Crabs and Hawks with FCA coming close behind.

Not to worry , many other areas are trending the same way. Problem is that most other areas dont have the private school structure to accommodate all the 9th graders needed to play 8th grade lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Keep drinking the cool aid & exposing your kid(s) to his negativity....shame on you! When a coach has to bring kids in from other states to play a game, that should tell you something.
My kid wasn’t even playing in that game, had to leave at 1/2 because I could not stand listening to fat a** belittle his team....screaming that one of his players was cradling like a 12 year old! Seriously? Well for true 2022’s, that was just last year. Hmmmmmmmmm

Criticizing someone based on what they look like is about as pathetic as it gets. Congrats - you've won our "loser of the month" award. Prize will be forthcoming.

Shame on you. lol
Club lacrosse teams have been fielding teams with 'out of state' players since its inception . This is nothing new. The only people who are offended by it, are those that still treat their kids like 12 year olds. My bet is the player was cradling like a 12 year old and was final called out on it. Which will make him a better cradler. Which team do you belong too? Who is the coach? Clearly who protect your kid from any negativity especially on the lacrosse field - Shame on you!

Take it easy Ryan. Get your head out of that bucket of Chicken Wings and listen. I am with you. Practice isnt the time to correct a player issues, its screaming and belittling him on the field. That is way more effective.

RM has built a brand that is good at recruiting (he's had some off years locally like 2022 hence the carpet baggers). I give him a solid C as to Xs and Os and a B (strong fundamentals but not cutting edge offensively) for developing players. Current and past top high school and former collegiate coaches can and have run circles around him coaching on the field over the past 20 years. For folks believing he's the end all be all to coaching let's suffice to say that there are a lot of neophytes out there with opinions. Sideline demeanor aside, he’s an A recruiter and C+ as on the field coach. Let’s see how the Crabs do against the better competition (similar raw talent) like the DCE and the Hawks and then let's see where everyone stands on his skill as a coach.

Can we get a complete schedule? What is the holdup? Some people have other things going on. darn

Can Mark stop holding up the schedule?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we get a complete schedule? What is the holdup? Some people have other things going on. darn

Can Mark stop holding up the schedule?

I agree!! Hey MM get the flights from Texas to Baltimore booked for the year so the rest of us can schedule our lives!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we get a complete schedule? What is the holdup? Some people have other things going on. darn

Can Mark stop holding up the schedule?

I agree!! Hey MM get the flights from Texas to Baltimore booked for the year so the rest of us can schedule our lives!!!

Its ALWAYS all about Mark!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we get a complete schedule? What is the holdup? Some people have other things going on. darn

Can Mark stop holding up the schedule?

I agree!! Hey MM get the flights from Texas to Baltimore booked for the year so the rest of us can schedule our lives!!!

Its ALWAYS all about Mark!

Mark ! Mark ! Mark ! Its always about Mark! HOCO uses the Jan Brady approach to scheduling!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we get a complete schedule? What is the holdup? Some people have other things going on. darn

Can Mark stop holding up the schedule?

I agree!! Hey MM get the flights from Texas to Baltimore booked for the year so the rest of us can schedule our lives!!!

Its ALWAYS all about Mark!

Mark ! Mark ! Mark ! Its always about Mark! HOCO uses the Jan Brady approach to scheduling!

Get back in the kitchen Alice

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well the league is off to a great start with many outstanding 9th grade players. Most teams have the 9th graders now playing as 8th graders. The big thing is who has the most 9th graders . My bet is on the Crabs and Hawks with FCA coming close behind.

Not to worry , many other areas are trending the same way. Problem is that most other areas dont have the private school structure to accommodate all the 9th graders needed to play 8th grade lacrosse.

That is what the 4 other divisions for this age group are for. You choose to play elite than don't come on here and be a [ChillLaxin] about it! You really want someone to listen to your rant when you freely choose to play elite. Know a ton people who feel the way you do and the choose to play in AA or A . Because they are not hypocrites. Then there are some whom simply don't give a hoot and love the competition level for their kids. Kids who are on age and can roll with anyone. Then to call out 3 clubs when every single team playing in the elite divisions has them . MY bet is you are a first class loser and teaching your kid the same .
ps
on age parent who thinks ass clowns like you are worse than any holdback parent.

??

It’s the same at all levels. I agree with the guy who says play your team in the correct bracket and stop trying to keep up with “elites “ that couldn’t make their high school teams. Plenty of great players in the aa a and even the b brackets. We had the same turnout for football. 200 lbs 8th graders on the line, come on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s the same at all levels. I agree with the guy who says play your team in the correct bracket and stop trying to keep up with “elites “ that couldn’t make their high school teams. Plenty of great players in the aa a and even the b brackets. We had the same turnout for football. 200 lbs 8th graders on the line, come on

Difference is that the 200 pounder is on age,,Not a 200 pounder that is older than the rest of players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well the league is off to a great start with many outstanding 9th grade players. Most teams have the 9th graders now playing as 8th graders. The big thing is who has the most 9th graders . My bet is on the Crabs and Hawks with FCA coming close behind.

Not to worry , many other areas are trending the same way. Problem is that most other areas dont have the private school structure to accommodate all the 9th graders needed to play 8th grade lacrosse.

That is what the 4 other divisions for this age group are for. You choose to play elite than don't come on here and complain about it! You really want someone to listen to your rant when you freely choose to play elite. Know a ton people who feel the way you do and the choose to play in AA or A . Because they are not hypocrites. Then there are some whom simply don't give a hoot and love the competition level for their kids. Kids who are on age and can roll with anyone. Then to call out 3 clubs when every single team playing in the elite divisions has them . MY bet is you are a first class lser
ps
on age parent who thinks clowns like you are worse than any holdback parent.

I bet every child you have is helback/prefirst to get an advantage over other children same age. They cant make it against children same age, They need an advantage to compete. It just wouldnt be fair without one. I bet you are proud. Keep telling yourself it is ok and right. Everyone else is doing it. And to top it off,,,we get to call ourselves Elite and play in an elite bracket.. Hilarious

Simple way to end all the nonsense if a kid turns 19 at anytime during his snr year he should not be able to play any sport. It would end holdback BS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well the league is off to a great start with many outstanding 9th grade players. Most teams have the 9th graders now playing as 8th graders. The big thing is who has the most 9th graders . My bet is on the Crabs and Hawks with FCA coming close behind.

Not to worry , many other areas are trending the same way. Problem is that most other areas dont have the private school structure to accommodate all the 9th graders needed to play 8th grade lacrosse.

That is what the 4 other divisions for this age group are for. You choose to play elite than don't come on here and be a [ChillLaxin] about it! You really want someone to listen to your rant when you freely choose to play elite. Know a ton people who feel the way you do and the choose to play in AA or A . Because they are not hypocrites. Then there are some whom simply don't give a hoot and love the competition level for their kids. Kids who are on age and can roll with anyone. Then to call out 3 clubs when every single team playing in the elite divisions has them . MY bet is you are a first class lser .
ps
on age parent who thinks clowns like you are worse than any holdback parent.

I bet every child you have is helback/prefirst to get an advantage over other children same age. They cant make it against children same age, They need an advantage to compete. It just wouldnt be fair without one. I bet you are proud. Keep telling yourself it is ok and right. Everyone else is doing it. And to top it off,,,we get to call ourselves Elite and play in an elite bracket.. Hilarious

What part of that reply did you not get, they made it clear they are not a holdback and don't give a [ChillLaxin] about holdbacks because they choose to play with holdbacks. Whats hilarious is all the hypocrites that read between the lines and complain about something that they agreed too. Do you think it was the parents of the holdbacks or the holdbacks themselves that made up the ELITE division or any other division for that matter. Until the system changes every parent has a choice as to what level to play in. Every player in AA,A and B will play in high school, mostly because they made the right choice for club lacrosse or rec. Not the wrong choice then cry the blues when his holdback elite team loses to another holdback elite team. Having 4 levels to choose from is about has fair as can be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well the league is off to a great start with many outstanding 9th grade players. Most teams have the 9th graders now playing as 8th graders. The big thing is who has the most 9th graders . My bet is on the Crabs and Hawks with FCA coming close behind.

Not to worry , many other areas are trending the same way. Problem is that most other areas dont have the private school structure to accommodate all the 9th graders needed to play 8th grade lacrosse.

That is what the 4 other divisions for this age group are for. You choose to play elite than don't come on here and complain about it! You really want someone to listen to your rant when you freely choose to play elite. Know a ton people who feel the way you do and the choose to play in AA or A . Because they are not hypocrites. Then there are some whom simply don't give a hoot and love the competition level for their kids. Kids who are on age and can roll with anyone. Then to call out 3 clubs when every single team playing in the elite divisions has them . MY bet is you are a first class lser.
ps
on age parent who thinks clowns like you are worse than any holdback parent.

I bet every child you have is helback/prefirst to get an advantage over other children same age. They cant make it against children same age, They need an advantage to compete. It just wouldnt be fair without one. I bet you are proud. Keep telling yourself it is ok and right. Everyone else is doing it. And to top it off,,,we get to call ourselves Elite and play in an elite bracket.. Hilarious

What part of that reply did you not get, they made it clear they are not a holdback and don't give a darn about holdbacks because they choose to play with holdbacks. Whats hilarious is all the hypocrites that read between the lines and complain about something that they agreed too. Do you think it was the parents of the holdbacks or the holdbacks themselves that made up the ELITE division or any other division for that matter. Until the system changes every parent has a choice as to what level to play in. Every player in AA,A and B will play in high school, mostly because they made the right choice for club lacrosse or rec. Not the wrong choice then cry the blues when his holdback elite team loses to another holdback elite team. Having 4 levels to choose from is about has fair as can be.

What part of..It is wrong at YOUTH sports that gives certain children an advantaged over other children born on same exact day ...that you not get.

Lord

Get over it already. If it’s unfair in your opinion why do you continue to allow your son to play in this league? There are other options.

I will say my son and several of his teammates that are of the correct age handle thier business at practice and at the games. They don’t care what the kids age is or how big the player is.

Stop giving your kid an out when he doesn’t find success. Tell him to continue to work. Go outside with him and WORK. Go to the gym with him and get stronger.

Parents need to stop getting in the car after games and telling thier kid that “it’s ok those kids are reclassed”. It’s bogus. Motivate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Simple way to end all the nonsense if a kid turns 19 at anytime during his snr year he should not be able to play any sport. It would end holdback BS.

Most already have a cutoff. Do your research so your kid is playing in that league for HS.

or just stop the cheating holdbacks from playing...play on age solves everything

The only way it changes is when 16 year old Johnnie lays out 13 year old Jimmie who is taken off the field on a stretcher never to play again. I take that back because it happens all the time and nothing changes; winning at all costs has taken over youth sports. Everyone forgets how unsafe this is for the kids who are actually playing the RIGHT way!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lord

Get over it already. If it’s unfair in your opinion why do you continue to allow your son to play in this league? There are other options.

I will say my son and several of his teammates that are of the correct age handle thier business at practice and at the games. They don’t care what the kids age is or how big the player is.

Stop giving your kid an out when he doesn’t find success. Tell him to continue to work. Go outside with him and WORK. Go to the gym with him and get stronger.

Parents need to stop getting in the car after games and telling thier kid that “it’s ok those kids are reclassed”. It’s bogus. Motivate.

I just gave my 3rd grader and 5th grader the speech. Told them it is time to take the bull by the horns. No more lingering around acting like a child. Lacrosse is serious business and I expect them to act that way. Just because there are players born on same birthday playing down doesnt mean they can. Just because those 4th graders are going against my 3rd grader doesnt mean anything. Toughen up!! Hit the wall!! Forget about how big they are!! You will get better going against older children. This is 3rd grade YOUTH sports and its time to man up!!! No one said childhood was easy!! Time to step it up!!

Told my 5th grader the same thing. There are no excuses in life. Youth Sports is unfair. Get over it!! HIT THE WALL!!! Time to man up!!! Not sure why he didnt man up a few years ago.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Simple way to end all the nonsense if a kid turns 19 at anytime during his snr year he should not be able to play any sport. It would end holdback BS.

Most already have a cutoff. Do your research so your kid is playing in that league for HS.

High School has always been about grade. Youth Sports has always been about age. The only Youth sport that goes by grade without age restrictions is lacrosse. That says it all . Spin away holdback/prefirst apologists,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only way it changes is when 16 year old Johnnie lays out 13 year old Jimmie who is taken off the field on a stretcher never to play again. I take that back because it happens all the time and nothing changes; winning at all costs has taken over youth sports. Everyone forgets how unsafe this is for the kids who are actually playing the RIGHT way!!

Not sure where this three year age gap exists in grade based lacrosse. We have 2-3 kids (out of 20+) who did a pre first year who are 3-5 months past the old age cut off. Yes a bit older but unless kids are playing up a grade (their choice) there just isn’t that big a spread. If you are two or theee years too old, you wouldn’t be allowed to play in the IAC, WCAC, MIAA etc. your senior year. And we don’t have anyone repeating a class (maybe the rule change helped with that).

I really wish they would get the schedule posted. These flights get more expensive by the day.

lacrosse doesn't want to do anything to hold back growth. The age versus grade will change for youth sports like it has for soccer and hockey. The kids born today will be good by the time they are in 5th grade... for now it stinks.... the recruitment changed which was a step in the right direciton from the lense of not playing down... so enjoy your time and know that its just lacrosse.. who really cares... i mean - really so he gets an academic scholarship that makes a private or out of state school the same price as a CUNY or SUNY... that isn't worth all this really is it? chill and ride it out.... we are in a time for growing the game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lord

Get over it already. If it’s unfair in your opinion why do you continue to allow your son to play in this league? There are other options.

I will say my son and several of his teammates that are of the correct age handle thier business at practice and at the games. They don’t care what the kids age is or how big the player is.

Stop giving your kid an out when he doesn’t find success. Tell him to continue to work. Go outside with him and WORK. Go to the gym with him and get stronger.

Parents need to stop getting in the car after games and telling thier kid that “it’s ok those kids are reclassed”. It’s bogus. Motivate.

I just gave my 3rd grader and 5th grader the speech. Told them it is time to take the bull by the horns. No more lingering around acting like a child. Lacrosse is serious business and I expect them to act that way. Just because there are players born on same birthday playing down doesnt mean they can. Just because those 4th graders are going against my 3rd grader doesnt mean anything. Toughen up!! Hit the wall!! Forget about how big they are!! You will get better going against older children. This is 3rd grade YOUTH sports and its time to man up!!! No one said childhood was easy!! Time to step it up!!

Told my 5th grader the same thing. There are no excuses in life. Youth Sports is unfair. Get over it!! HIT THE WALL!!! Time to man up!!! Not sure why he didnt man up a few years ago.

I've got a big slab of cheese for your whine. Son, I'm going to pamper you in life because I'm a helicopter parent and can't stand to see you suffer. You don't ever have to leave home. Mom and I will care for you until we die and then you can live on your inheritance. Remember, my job is to pamper you until I'm 100% sure the world is a "fair" place.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lord

Get over it already. If it’s unfair in your opinion why do you continue to allow your son to play in this league? There are other options.

I will say my son and several of his teammates that are of the correct age handle thier business at practice and at the games. They don’t care what the kids age is or how big the player is.

Stop giving your kid an out when he doesn’t find success. Tell him to continue to work. Go outside with him and WORK. Go to the gym with him and get stronger.

Parents need to stop getting in the car after games and telling thier kid that “it’s ok those kids are reclassed”. It’s bogus. Motivate.

I just gave my 3rd grader and 5th grader the speech. Told them it is time to take the bull by the horns. No more lingering around acting like a child. Lacrosse is serious business and I expect them to act that way. Just because there are players born on same birthday playing down doesnt mean they can. Just because those 4th graders are going against my 3rd grader doesnt mean anything. Toughen up!! Hit the wall!! Forget about how big they are!! You will get better going against older children. This is 3rd grade YOUTH sports and its time to man up!!! No one said childhood was easy!! Time to step it up!!

Told my 5th grader the same thing. There are no excuses in life. Youth Sports is unfair. Get over it!! HIT THE WALL!!! Time to man up!!! Not sure why he didnt man up a few years ago.

Do you realize the 2022 class is in 8th grade. you might want to head over to your forum. But your boys should man up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

or just stop the cheating holdbacks from playing...play on age solves everything

Stop being a baby.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lacrosse doesn't want to do anything to hold back growth. The age versus grade will change for youth sports like it has for soccer and hockey. The kids born today will be good by the time they are in 5th grade... for now it stinks.... the recruitment changed which was a step in the right direciton from the lense of not playing down... so enjoy your time and know that its just lacrosse.. who really cares... i mean - really so he gets an academic scholarship that makes a private or out of state school the same price as a CUNY or SUNY... that isn't worth all this really is it? chill and ride it out.... we are in a time for growing the game

The real winners in the holdback game are the schools and clubs that get an extra year of tuition and extra year of club fees. They may also recommend a PG year so a holdback, reclass, pg will pay a buck fitty extra to play lacrosse. That is what makes it different from other sports. There is a market for parents. Look at the schools that are leading the sport.

Actually, lacrosse isn't that different than most sports. Holdbacks for kids who can't compete on age are prevalent in every sport.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lacrosse doesn't want to do anything to hold back growth. The age versus grade will change for youth sports like it has for soccer and hockey. The kids born today will be good by the time they are in 5th grade... for now it stinks.... the recruitment changed which was a step in the right direciton from the lense of not playing down... so enjoy your time and know that its just lacrosse.. who really cares... i mean - really so he gets an academic scholarship that makes a private or out of state school the same price as a CUNY or SUNY... that isn't worth all this really is it? chill and ride it out.... we are in a time for growing the game

The real winners in the holdback game are the schools and clubs that get an extra year of tuition and extra year of club fees. They may also recommend a PG year so a holdback, reclass, pg will pay a buck fitty extra to play lacrosse. That is what makes it different from other sports. There is a market for parents. Look at the schools that are leading the sport.

Yup. College coaches love the 20 year old freshman.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually, lacrosse isn't that different than most sports. Holdbacks for kids who can't compete on age are prevalent in every sport.

You missed the big point here...The other sports parents don't have to pay an extra three years of tuition at 50+K a year and 5K a year of club fees. Many football and basketball parents could not invest that to get a 10% scholarship discount at Swarthmore College. That is why lacrosse remains prominent in the private academies. There is a small pool 1% of parents able to swing that.

Alright

Enough with the same old played out chatter.

We have a darn schedule!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Alright

Enough with the same old played out chatter.

We have a darn schedule!!!!!!

April 7
Hawks vs API

18-6 Never Forget

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Alright

Enough with the same old played out chatter.

We have a darn schedule!!!!!!

April 7
Hawks vs API

18-6 Never Forget

Evergreen will go undefeated in HOCO this year!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lord

Get over it already. If it’s unfair in your opinion why do you continue to allow your son to play in this league? There are other options.

I will say my son and several of his teammates that are of the correct age handle thier business at practice and at the games. They don’t care what the kids age is or how big the player is.

Stop giving your kid an out when he doesn’t find success. Tell him to continue to work. Go outside with him and WORK. Go to the gym with him and get stronger.

Parents need to stop getting in the car after games and telling thier kid that “it’s ok those kids are reclassed”. It’s bogus. Motivate.

I just gave my 3rd grader and 5th grader the speech. Told them it is time to take the bull by the horns. No more lingering around acting like a child. Lacrosse is serious business and I expect them to act that way. Just because there are players born on same birthday playing down doesnt mean they can. Just because those 4th graders are going against my 3rd grader doesnt mean anything. Toughen up!! Hit the wall!! Forget about how big they are!! You will get better going against older children. This is 3rd grade YOUTH sports and its time to man up!!! No one said childhood was easy!! Time to step it up!!

Told my 5th grader the same thing. There are no excuses in life. Youth Sports is unfair. Get over it!! HIT THE WALL!!! Time to man up!!! Not sure why he didnt man up a few years ago.

I've got a big slab of cheese for your whine. Son, I'm going to pamper you in life because I'm a helicopter parent and can't stand to see you suffer. You don't ever have to leave home. Mom and I will care for you until we die and then you can live on your inheritance. Remember, my job is to pamper you until I'm 100% sure the world is a "fair" place.

You are talking about pampering your child that couldnt compete with his same age children? Right..That child that couldnt compete with kids his own age so you pampered him with letting him play against younger children. You need to think what you holdback apologists write.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lord

Get over it already. If it’s unfair in your opinion why do you continue to allow your son to play in this league? There are other options.

I will say my son and several of his teammates that are of the correct age handle thier business at practice and at the games. They don’t care what the kids age is or how big the player is.

Stop giving your kid an out when he doesn’t find success. Tell him to continue to work. Go outside with him and WORK. Go to the gym with him and get stronger.

Parents need to stop getting in the car after games and telling thier kid that “it’s ok those kids are reclassed”. It’s bogus. Motivate.

I just gave my 3rd grader and 5th grader the speech. Told them it is time to take the bull by the horns. No more lingering around acting like a child. Lacrosse is serious business and I expect them to act that way. Just because there are players born on same birthday playing down doesnt mean they can. Just because those 4th graders are going against my 3rd grader doesnt mean anything. Toughen up!! Hit the wall!! Forget about how big they are!! You will get better going against older children. This is 3rd grade YOUTH sports and its time to man up!!! No one said childhood was easy!! Time to step it up!!

Told my 5th grader the same thing. There are no excuses in life. Youth Sports is unfair. Get over it!! HIT THE WALL!!! Time to man up!!! Not sure why he didnt man up a few years ago.

Do you realize the 2022 class is in 8th grade. you might want to head over to your forum. But your boys should man up.

Do you realize he was talking in generalities about "" giving your kid an out "". That pertains to all ages and all grade based teams. 3rd graders and 4th graders need to man up. Common sense tells you that youth sports was made for age. Well it is for all sports except Lacrosse. Somehow lacrosse is a special sport that needs grade base to accommodate over age children

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well the league is off to a great start with many outstanding 9th grade players. Most teams have the 9th graders now playing as 8th graders. The big thing is who has the most 9th graders . My bet is on the Crabs and Hawks with FCA coming close behind.

Not to worry , many other areas are trending the same way. Problem is that most other areas dont have the private school structure to accommodate all the 9th graders needed to play 8th grade lacrosse.

That is what the 4 other divisions for this age group are for. You choose to play elite than don't come on here and complain about it! You really want someone to listen to your rant when you freely choose to play elite. Know a ton people who feel the way you do and the choose to play in AA or A . Because they are not hypocrites. Then there are some whom simply don't give a hoot and love the competition level for their kids. Kids who are on age and can roll with anyone. Then to call out 3 clubs when every single team playing in the elite divisions has them . MY bet is you are a first class lser.
ps
on age parent who thinks clowns like you are worse than any holdback parent.

I bet every child you have is helback/prefirst to get an advantage over other children same age. They cant make it against children same age, They need an advantage to compete. It just wouldnt be fair without one. I bet you are proud. Keep telling yourself it is ok and right. Everyone else is doing it. And to top it off,,,we get to call ourselves Elite and play in an elite bracket.. Hilarious

What part of that reply did you not get, they made it clear they are not a holdback and don't give a darn about holdbacks because they choose to play with holdbacks. Whats hilarious is all the hypocrites that read between the lines and complain about something that they agreed too. Do you think it was the parents of the holdbacks or the holdbacks themselves that made up the ELITE division or any other division for that matter. Until the system changes every parent has a choice as to what level to play in. Every player in AA,A and B will play in high school, mostly because they made the right choice for club lacrosse or rec. Not the wrong choice then cry the blues when his holdback elite team loses to another holdback elite team. Having 4 levels to choose from is about has fair as can be.

What part of..It is wrong at YOUTH sports that gives certain children an advantaged over other children born on same exact day ...that you not get.

EVERYONE GET ITS ! Until the system changes this is what EVERYONE has to choose from. 4 different levels to choose from. Why is that so hard for you to understand

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually, lacrosse isn't that different than most sports. Holdbacks for kids who can't compete on age are prevalent in every sport.

They may be prevalent. But Youth lacrosse is the only one that lets them play down in their youth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Alright

Enough with the same old played out chatter.

We have a darn schedule!!!!!!

April 7
Hawks vs API

18-6 Never Forget

We need to get to the root cause of your fixation on one 7th grade youth lacrosse game. You have passed on defective genes to your super duper Hawk, but if we can figure you out, with therapeutic help, we may get that kid on a more productive path in life.

We await your puerile response to this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Alright

Enough with the same old played out chatter.

We have a darn schedule!!!!!!

April 7
Hawks vs API

18-6 Never Forget

We need to get to the root cause of your fixation on one 7th grade youth lacrosse game. You have passed on defective genes to your super duper Hawk, but if we can figure you out, with therapeutic help, we may get that kid on a more productive path in life.

We await your puerile response to this.

Dude it's an API dad that post it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lord

Get over it already. If it’s unfair in your opinion why do you continue to allow your son to play in this league? There are other options.

I will say my son and several of his teammates that are of the correct age handle thier business at practice and at the games. They don’t care what the kids age is or how big the player is.

Stop giving your kid an out when he doesn’t find success. Tell him to continue to work. Go outside with him and WORK. Go to the gym with him and get stronger.

Parents need to stop getting in the car after games and telling thier kid that “it’s ok those kids are reclassed”. It’s bogus. Motivate.

I just gave my 3rd grader and 5th grader the speech. Told them it is time to take the bull by the horns. No more lingering around acting like a child. Lacrosse is serious business and I expect them to act that way. Just because there are players born on same birthday playing down doesnt mean they can. Just because those 4th graders are going against my 3rd grader doesnt mean anything. Toughen up!! Hit the wall!! Forget about how big they are!! You will get better going against older children. This is 3rd grade YOUTH sports and its time to man up!!! No one said childhood was easy!! Time to step it up!!

Told my 5th grader the same thing. There are no excuses in life. Youth Sports is unfair. Get over it!! HIT THE WALL!!! Time to man up!!! Not sure why he didnt man up a few years ago.

Do you realize the 2022 class is in 8th grade. you might want to head over to your forum. But your boys should man up.

Do you realize he was talking in generalities about "" giving your kid an out "". That pertains to all ages and all grade based teams. 3rd graders and 4th graders need to man up. Common sense tells you that youth sports was made for age. Well it is for all sports except Lacrosse. Somehow lacrosse is a special sport that needs grade base to accommodate over age children

Really? Have you visited an AAU Basketball event? Get out of your lacrosse bubble and look around.

Holdbacks
Top 8th graders players
A bracket
B Brackets

Buggs Combs has taken a Solid 2022 diamondback team and turned it into a [ChillLaxin] sandswich plus the 28 players they have now . I would be pissed if I was a parent on that team . No play time for those kids

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only way it changes is when 16 year old Johnnie lays out 13 year old Jimmie who is taken off the field on a stretcher never to play again. I take that back because it happens all the time and nothing changes; winning at all costs has taken over youth sports. Everyone forgets how unsafe this is for the kids who are actually playing the RIGHT way!!

They should just limit the number of holdbacks that can play on any given team, like they typically do in football, where each team can have a certain number of OBLs. That would keep coaches from recruiting as many older players as possible, and/or keep older players from all gravitating to one team to create a super-team. It really does mostly come down to winning though. people get pissed because their on age kids lose to a team full of older players and people who support teams filled with older players gloat when the older team wins. If you are a level minded person and can put things in perspective, its really not that big of a deal. Holdback or not, the kids in 8th grade this year could be playing with/against 12 graders next year. Now thats a major jump in size and strength that has been the norm for decades and nobody complains about it!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Holdbacks
Top 8th graders players
A bracket
B Brackets

About time HOCO came out with the correct bracket names

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Buggs Combs has taken a Solid 2022 diamondback team and turned it into a poop plus the 28 players they have now . I would be pissed if I was a parent on that team . No play time for those kids

that 2022 team was never solid, it was a poop sandwich well before he took it over. they never taught the kids how to play defense and it has always been about daddy ball.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Buggs Combs has taken a Solid 2022 diamondback team and turned it into a [ChillLaxin] sandswich plus the 28 players they have now . I would be pissed if I was a parent on that team . No play time for those kids

Not sure how Buggs got roped into coaching this group but he should have stayed away. The 7 coaches were the poster children of daddy ball. Talk about a group of babies. Not sure that i have seen worse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Buggs Combs has taken a Solid 2022 diamondback team and turned it into a [ChillLaxin] sandswich plus the 28 players they have now . I would be pissed if I was a parent on that team . No play time for those kids

Not sure how Buggs got roped into coaching this group but he should have stayed away. The 7 coaches were the poster children of daddy ball. Talk about a group of babies. Not sure that i have seen worse.

Don't really have an opinion, but my son played them this weekend and their were only 3 coaches. Not sure why all the hate.

Saw a lot of good lacrosse this past weekend. Heard about some other games that were full of talent and fun to watch, with some surprises and some not so much. This is a game with a winner and loser. Trashing coaches and teams at this level is just ignorant. Having a hard time with folks bashing other teams that they have nothing to do with. It is amazing the energy put into other programs that you don't even belong too. So much unbelievable talent for this age group and all people want to do is trash it at every corner.

Get over it already. If it’s unfair in your opinion why do you continue to allow your son to play in this league? There are other options.

I will say my son and several of his teammates that are of the correct age handle thier business at practice and at the games. They don’t care what the kids age is or how big the player is.

Stop giving your kid an out when he doesn’t find success. Tell him to continue to work. Go outside with him and WORK. Go to the gym with him and get stronger.

Parents need to stop getting in the car after games and telling thier kid that “it’s ok those kids are reclassed”. It’s bogus. Motivate.

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I just gave my 3rd grader and 5th grader the speech. Told them it is time to take the bull by the horns. No more lingering around acting like a child. Lacrosse is serious business and I expect them to act that way. Just because there are players born on same birthday playing down doesnt mean they can. Just because those 4th graders are going against my 3rd grader doesnt mean anything. Toughen up!! Hit the wall!! Forget about how big they are!! You will get better going against older children. This is 3rd grade YOUTH sports and its time to man up!!! No one said childhood was easy!! Time to step it up!!

Told my 5th grader the same thing. There are no excuses in life. Youth Sports is unfair. Get over it!! HIT THE WALL!!! Time to man up!!! Not sure why he didnt man up a few years ago. [/quote]

Do you realize the 2022 class is in 8th grade. you might want to head over to your forum. But your boys should man up.
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Do you realize he was talking in generalities about "" giving your kid an out "". That pertains to all ages and all grade based teams. 3rd graders and 4th graders need to man up. Common sense tells you that youth sports was made for age. Well it is for all sports except Lacrosse. Somehow lacrosse is a special sport that needs grade base to accommodate over age children[/quote]

Really? Have you visited an AAU Basketball event? Get out of your lacrosse bubble and look around. [/quote]

Does that make it ok? Some of you are rationalizing and accepting it as the norm. USA Hockey instituted all birth year regulations and the reason is because the size disparity and physicallity advantages are a huge risk. It gets ugly fast even when kids are the same age due to size and maturity differences, but it's even worse when kids are only a year older. The same will eventually happen in lacrosse because it will inevitably lead to a a serious injury.

You tough-guy, holdback apologists will be the first hypocrites screaming about holdbacks and older players once your son gets mauled by some kid who should be a 10th grader.

And no, my son was born in Jan 2004 and has not been mauled or injured as a 2022, but a few of his teammates have and they're an "elite" team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw a lot of good lacrosse this past weekend. Heard about some other games that were full of talent and fun to watch, with some surprises and some not so much. This is a game with a winner and loser. Trashing coaches and teams at this level is just ignorant. Having a hard time with folks bashing other teams that they have nothing to do with. It is amazing the energy put into other programs that you don't even belong too. So much unbelievable talent for this age group and all people want to do is trash it at every corner.

Evergreen never forget

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Saw a lot of good lacrosse this past weekend. Heard about some other games that were full of talent and fun to watch, with some surprises and some not so much. This is a game with a winner and loser. Trashing coaches and teams at this level is just ignorant. Having a hard time with folks bashing other teams that they have nothing to do with. It is amazing the energy put into other programs that you don't even belong too. So much unbelievable talent for this age group and all people want to do is trash it at every corner.

Evergreen never forget[/quote

Evergreen? You must be talking about those little green pine trees people use to hang from their rear view mirrors in their cars years ago. I didn't think they made them any more but if you say "Evergreen never forget" they must be available somewhere. I know you are not talking about lacrosse, if you are, Evergreen never enters the conversation, except when talking about sub par teams.

Happy Easter to all you trolling, nothing better to do, care more than own kid, helicopter hovering , sideline screaming, hold back, non holdback , coach hating , club bashing , sore loser person bags. Easter is the real start to the lacrosse world. Look forward to coming on seeing and reading the anonymous post from all of you and hope it will continue to being me to laugh.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Happy Easter to all you trolling, nothing better to do, care more than own kid, helicopter hovering , sideline screaming, hold back, non holdback , coach hating , club bashing , sore loser person bags. Easter is the real start to the lacrosse world. Look forward to coming on seeing and reading the anonymous post from all of you and hope it will continue to being me to laugh.

The real start is Easter? Explains why your team looks like rabbit poop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Happy Easter to all you trolling, nothing better to do, care more than own kid, helicopter hovering , sideline screaming, hold back, non holdback , coach hating , club bashing , sore loser person bags. Easter is the real start to the lacrosse world. Look forward to coming on seeing and reading the anonymous post from all of you and hope it will continue to being me to laugh.

Your post would have been funny had you proofread. But you blew it, so now it’s not funny.

How are the AA teams looking after week 1 games?
Could any of them challenge any Elite teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Happy Easter to all you trolling, nothing better to do, care more than own kid, helicopter hovering , sideline screaming, hold back, non holdback , coach hating , club bashing , sore loser person bags. Easter is the real start to the lacrosse world. Look forward to coming on seeing and reading the anonymous post from all of you and hope it will continue to being me to laugh.

Your post would have been funny had you proofread. But you blew it, so now it’s not funny.

I blew it , dang

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How are the AA teams looking after week 1 games?
Could any of them challenge any Elite teams?

the best ones didnt play saturday

Gane 2 Predictions - What you got?

Madlax - Capital vs. Crabs ----------------------------------------------------------------Madlax in a battle
API Diamondbacks vs. Annapolis Hawks - Green-----------------------------------Hawks BIG
Koopers vs. Team 91------------------------------------------------------------------------Koopers by 3
Roughriders vs. FCA - Blue----------------------------------------------------------------RR BIG

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Game 2 Predictions - What you got?

Madlax - Capital vs. Crabs ----------------------------------------------------------------Madlax in a battle
API Diamondbacks vs. Annapolis Hawks - Green-----------------------------------Hawks BIG
Koopers vs. Team 91------------------------------------------------------------------------Koopers by 3
Roughriders vs. FCA - Blue----------------------------------------------------------------RR BIG

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Game 2 Predictions - What you got?

Madlax - Capital vs. Crabs ----------------------------------------------------------------Madlax in a battle
API Diamondbacks vs. Annapolis Hawks - Green-----------------------------------Hawks BIG
Koopers vs. Team 91------------------------------------------------------------------------Koopers by 3
Roughriders vs. FCA - Blue----------------------------------------------------------------RR BIG

Crabs kill Madlax 10-5 as RM has gone National with this team, Hawks beat API by 6-8, Don't know about the Koopers-91 team as the rosters are in flux (which out of state ringer shows or doesn't), RR and FCA is a push. Both teams struggled in week 1.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Game 2 Predictions - What you got?

Madlax - Capital vs. Crabs ----------------------------------------------------------------Madlax in a battle
API Diamondbacks vs. Annapolis Hawks - Green-----------------------------------Hawks BIG
Koopers vs. Team 91------------------------------------------------------------------------Koopers by 3
Roughriders vs. FCA - Blue----------------------------------------------------------------RR BIG

Crabs kill Madlax 10-5 as RM has gone National with this team, Hawks beat API by 6-8, Don't know about the Koopers-91 team as the rosters are in flux (which out of state ringer shows or doesn't), RR and FCA is a push. Both teams struggled in week 1.

Definitely not a fan of Crabs but my son is friends with many on the team. From what I understand Crabs really has only 1 "import" playing in Hoco. I see MadLax beating Crabs in a tight one. Hawks in a landslide over API. Kooper's blowing out the new look 9D1 team and RR in a close one over FCA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Game 2 Predictions - What you got?

Madlax - Capital vs. Crabs ----------------------------------------------------------------Madlax in a battle
API Diamondbacks vs. Annapolis Hawks - Green-----------------------------------Hawks BIG
Koopers vs. Team 91------------------------------------------------------------------------Koopers by 3
Roughriders vs. FCA - Blue----------------------------------------------------------------RR BIG

Crabs kill Madlax 10-5 as RM has gone National with this team, Hawks beat API by 6-8, Don't know about the Koopers-91 team as the rosters are in flux (which out of state ringer shows or doesn't), RR and FCA is a push. Both teams struggled in week 1.

Definitely not a fan of Crabs but my son is friends with many on the team. From what I understand Crabs really has only 1 "import" playing in Hoco. I see MadLax beating Crabs in a tight one. Hawks in a landslide over API. Kooper's blowing out the new look 9D1 team and RR in a close one over FCA.

Is Kooper's 2022 "Dukes 22" in disguise? If that is the case it is going to be a long day for MM!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Game 2 Predictions - What you got?

Madlax - Capital vs. Crabs ----------------------------------------------------------------Madlax in a battle
API Diamondbacks vs. Annapolis Hawks - Green-----------------------------------Hawks BIG
Koopers vs. Team 91------------------------------------------------------------------------Koopers by 3
Roughriders vs. FCA - Blue----------------------------------------------------------------RR BIG

Crabs kill Madlax 10-5 as RM has gone National with this team, Hawks beat API by 6-8, Don't know about the Koopers-91 team as the rosters are in flux (which out of state ringer shows or doesn't), RR and FCA is a push. Both teams struggled in week 1.

Crabs win easily as all starting players have their drivers license now, No more missed games due to driver education. Crabs stomp Madlax. Madlax owner has meltdown and calls entire team a bunch of ungrateful quitters. Crabs 18 Madlax 2

Several Hawks holdbacks get into a fender benders with Crabs players leaving their game and cant make game. API destroys them. Mass confusion as referees are confused if it is the Hawks or API that won. Players get confused on what team they play for. Mayhem breaks lose as Buggs goes nuts. Refs throw up hands and game declared a tie 0-0

Team 91 Brilliant Head Coach has Several large Italians on sidelines threatening broken arms. Koopers leave immediately and forfeit game. Team 91 decides to play Team 91 that has flown in for the day. Team 91MD 10 Team91 Texas/Fl/Ga/NC/ 10 Official score for HOCO
Team 91 1, Koopers 0 Forfiet.

FCA Blue has entire starting lineup of players named Kelly. RR's claim several look like they are in college. Coach Kelly tells them that the big man in the sky says it is ok to play, then they play. FCA 41 RR 1

Another great day of lacrosse in the toughest division in youth lacrosse.

Yes, Koopers is Dukes. As for Crabs, i love the rumorville but yes 1 kid from out of state is playing, its face off help.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Game 2 Predictions - What you got?

Madlax - Capital vs. Crabs ----------------------------------------------------------------Madlax in a battle
API Diamondbacks vs. Annapolis Hawks - Green-----------------------------------Hawks BIG
Koopers vs. Team 91------------------------------------------------------------------------Koopers by 3
Roughriders vs. FCA - Blue----------------------------------------------------------------RR BIG

Crabs kill Madlax 10-5 as RM has gone National with this team, Hawks beat API by 6-8, Don't know about the Koopers-91 team as the rosters are in flux (which out of state ringer shows or doesn't), RR and FCA is a push. Both teams struggled in week 1.

Crabs win easily as all starting players have their drivers license now, No more missed games due to driver education. Crabs stomp Madlax. Madlax owner has meltdown and calls entire team a bunch of ungrateful quitters. Crabs 18 Madlax 2

Several Hawks holdbacks get into a fender benders with Crabs players leaving their game and cant make game. API destroys them. Mass confusion as referees are confused if it is the Hawks or API that won. Players get confused on what team they play for. Mayhem breaks lose as Buggs goes nuts. Refs throw up hands and game declared a tie 0-0

Team 91 Brilliant Head Coach has Several large Italians on sidelines threatening broken arms. Koopers leave immediately and forfeit game. Team 91 decides to play Team 91 that has flown in for the day. Team 91MD 10 Team91 Texas/Fl/Ga/NC/ 10 Official score for HOCO
Team 91 1, Koopers 0 Forfiet.

FCA Blue has entire starting lineup of players named Kelly. RR's claim several look like they are in college. Coach Kelly tells them that the big man in the sky says it is ok to play, then they play. FCA 41 RR 1

Another great day of lacrosse in the toughest division in youth lacrosse.

Love the bitterness! It is exactly what I expected when hoping on this site. Exactly the humor needed for today.

Maybe the hypocrite parents on this site will stay home this week and let their kids have fun playing lacrosse this weekend. I know its doubtful but just a suggestion. I'm sure the kids don't need another car ride home like every other car ride for the past 3 or 4 years now. In fact I bet they would love to ride with a teammate (possibly a holdback teammate). Just think in a short few months High School will be here and we will be hearing complaints about how they have to play against sophomore's, juniors and seniors. Good thing then is all of Daddies poor decisions in club will still be poor decisions. The player will suffer even more.
Keep hiding and bashing players, teams,coaches and clubs, it says a great deal about ya and will be exposed at the next level. It is confusing too when you bash every team on here, What club is it that you pay money to?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Game 2 Predictions - What you got?

Madlax - Capital vs. Crabs ----------------------------------------------------------------Madlax in a battle
API Diamondbacks vs. Annapolis Hawks - Green-----------------------------------Hawks BIG
Koopers vs. Team 91------------------------------------------------------------------------Koopers by 3
Roughriders vs. FCA - Blue----------------------------------------------------------------RR BIG

Crabs kill Madlax 10-5 as RM has gone National with this team, Hawks beat API by 6-8, Don't know about the Koopers-91 team as the rosters are in flux (which out of state ringer shows or doesn't), RR and FCA is a push. Both teams struggled in week 1.

Crabs win easily as all starting players have their drivers license now, No more missed games due to driver education. Crabs stomp Madlax. Madlax owner has meltdown and calls entire team a bunch of ungrateful quitters. Crabs 18 Madlax 2

Several Hawks holdbacks get into a fender benders with Crabs players leaving their game and cant make game. API destroys them. Mass confusion as referees are confused if it is the Hawks or API that won. Players get confused on what team they play for. Mayhem breaks lose as Buggs goes nuts. Refs throw up hands and game declared a tie 0-0

Team 91 Brilliant Head Coach has Several large Italians on sidelines threatening broken arms. Koopers leave immediately and forfeit game. Team 91 decides to play Team 91 that has flown in for the day. Team 91MD 10 Team91 Texas/Fl/Ga/NC/ 10 Official score for HOCO
Team 91 1, Koopers 0 Forfiet.

FCA Blue has entire starting lineup of players named Kelly. RR's claim several look like they are in college. Coach Kelly tells them that the big man in the sky says it is ok to play, then they play. FCA 41 RR 1

Another great day of lacrosse in the toughest division in youth lacrosse.

Love the bitterness! It is exactly what I expected when hoping on this site. Exactly the humor needed for today.

You call this humor? You are just as sick as the poster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe the hypocrite parents on this site will stay home this week and let their kids have fun playing lacrosse this weekend. I know its doubtful but just a suggestion. I'm sure the kids don't need another car ride home like every other car ride for the past 3 or 4 years now. In fact I bet they would love to ride with a teammate (possibly a holdback teammate). Just think in a short few months High School will be here and we will be hearing complaints about how they have to play against sophomore's, juniors and seniors. Good thing then is all of Daddies poor decisions in club will still be poor decisions. The player will suffer even more.
Keep hiding and bashing players, teams,coaches and clubs, it says a great deal about ya and will be exposed at the next level. It is confusing too when you bash every team on here, What club is it that you pay money to?

As a 2 year holdback my son will do just fine against sophmore, juniors, and seniors thank you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Game 2 Predictions - What you got?

Madlax - Capital vs. Crabs ----------------------------------------------------------------Madlax in a battle
API Diamondbacks vs. Annapolis Hawks - Green-----------------------------------Hawks BIG
Koopers vs. Team 91------------------------------------------------------------------------Koopers by 3
Roughriders vs. FCA - Blue----------------------------------------------------------------RR BIG

Crabs kill Madlax 10-5 as RM has gone National with this team, Hawks beat API by 6-8, Don't know about the Koopers-91 team as the rosters are in flux (which out of state ringer shows or doesn't), RR and FCA is a push. Both teams struggled in week 1.

Crabs win easily as all starting players have their drivers license now, No more missed games due to driver education. Crabs stomp Madlax. Madlax owner has meltdown and calls entire team a bunch of ungrateful quitters. Crabs 18 Madlax 2

Several Hawks holdbacks get into a fender benders with Crabs players leaving their game and cant make game. API destroys them. Mass confusion as referees are confused if it is the Hawks or API that won. Players get confused on what team they play for. Mayhem breaks lose as Buggs goes nuts. Refs throw up hands and game declared a tie 0-0

Team 91 Brilliant Head Coach has Several large Italians on sidelines threatening broken arms. Koopers leave immediately and forfeit game. Team 91 decides to play Team 91 that has flown in for the day. Team 91MD 10 Team91 Texas/Fl/Ga/NC/ 10 Official score for HOCO
Team 91 1, Koopers 0 Forfiet.

FCA Blue has entire starting lineup of players named Kelly. RR's claim several look like they are in college. Coach Kelly tells them that the big man in the sky says it is ok to play, then they play. FCA 41 RR 1

Another great day of lacrosse in the toughest division in youth lacrosse.

This is absolute gold. Love it!

18-6 Never forget

Originally Posted by Anonymous

18-6 Never forget

Should be 18/6. 18 practices over the last 6 days.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Game 2 Predictions - What you got?

Madlax - Capital vs. Crabs ----------------------------------------------------------------Madlax in a battle
API Diamondbacks vs. Annapolis Hawks - Green-----------------------------------Hawks BIG
Koopers vs. Team 91------------------------------------------------------------------------Koopers by 3
Roughriders vs. FCA - Blue----------------------------------------------------------------RR BIG

Crabs kill Madlax 10-5 as RM has gone National with this team, Hawks beat API by 6-8, Don't know about the Koopers-91 team as the rosters are in flux (which out of state ringer shows or doesn't), RR and FCA is a push. Both teams struggled in week 1.

Crabs win easily as all starting players have their drivers license now, No more missed games due to driver education. Crabs stomp Madlax. Madlax owner has meltdown and calls entire team a bunch of ungrateful quitters. Crabs 18 Madlax 2

Several Hawks holdbacks get into a fender benders with Crabs players leaving their game and cant make game. API destroys them. Mass confusion as referees are confused if it is the Hawks or API that won. Players get confused on what team they play for. Mayhem breaks lose as Buggs goes nuts. Refs throw up hands and game declared a tie 0-0

Team 91 Brilliant Head Coach has Several large Italians on sidelines threatening broken arms. Koopers leave immediately and forfeit game. Team 91 decides to play Team 91 that has flown in for the day. Team 91MD 10 Team91 Texas/Fl/Ga/NC/ 10 Official score for HOCO
Team 91 1, Koopers 0 Forfiet.

FCA Blue has entire starting lineup of players named Kelly. RR's claim several look like they are in college. Coach Kelly tells them that the big man in the sky says it is ok to play, then they play. FCA 41 RR 1

Another great day of lacrosse in the toughest division in youth lacrosse.

Hilarious, except I doubt there would be “mass confusion” during the Hawks vs API game. Pretty sure there are only 2-3 holdbacks on the Hawks team so they would still earn an easy win.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

18-6 Never forget

Should be 18/6. 18 practices over the last 6 days.

The teams commitment to excellence is unreal. You should join next year.

Hilarious, except I doubt there would be “mass confusion” during the Hawks vs API game. Pretty sure there are only 2-3 holdbacks on the Hawks team so they would still earn an easy win.
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Please...maybe 2-3x more than other teams, but certainly not just 2-3 holdbacks on that team. Hawks are some of the biggest offenders.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hilarious, except I doubt there would be “mass confusion” during the Hawks vs API game. Pretty sure there are only 2-3 holdbacks on the Hawks team so they would still earn an easy win.

Please...maybe 2-3x more than other teams, but certainly not just 2-3 holdbacks on that team. Hawks are some of the biggest offenders. [/quote]
Might want to check your sources because they are wrong. Laughable.

Calling for good weather this weekend. All flights at BWI on time should be no problems getting all players to games on time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hilarious, except I doubt there would be “mass confusion” during the Hawks vs API game. Pretty sure there are only 2-3 holdbacks on the Hawks team so they would still earn an easy win.

Please...maybe 2-3x more than other teams, but certainly not just 2-3 holdbacks on that team. Hawks are some of the biggest offenders. [/quote]

Ridiculous statement

Spalding's JV lax team beat Dematha 5-2, beat SM Ryken 18-2, and beat Gonzaga 7-1 . . . they played the 2022 Hawks this past weekend and only beat them 9-7.

8th grade teams don't stand a chance vs the Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Spalding's JV lax team beat Dematha 5-2, beat SM Ryken 18-2, and beat Gonzaga 7-1 . . . they played the 2022 Hawks this past weekend and only beat them 9-7.

8th grade teams don't stand a chance vs the Hawks.

Because the Hawks 2022 players should all be in high school.

Hope you feel good beating up on younger kids. So proud.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Spalding's JV lax team beat Dematha 5-2, beat SM Ryken 18-2, and beat Gonzaga 7-1 . . . they played the 2022 Hawks this past weekend and only beat them 9-7.

8th grade teams don't stand a chance vs the Hawks.

Because the Hawks 2022 players should all be in high school.

Hope you feel good beating up on younger kids. So proud.

Wrong - Its called great coaching and PRACTICE. You know that thing that people on this forum think the Hawks do too much. If all of the players should be HS they wouldn't need to practice so much to win.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hilarious, except I doubt there would be “mass confusion” during the Hawks vs API game. Pretty sure there are only 2-3 holdbacks on the Hawks team so they would still earn an easy win.

Please...maybe 2-3x more than other teams, but certainly not just 2-3 holdbacks on that team. Hawks are some of the biggest offenders. [/quote]

Certainly not just 2-3 on API.
Why don't you tell us exactly how many on each and every team in the the Elite league. Sounds like you are deflecting from the API offenders!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Spalding's JV lax team beat Dematha 5-2, beat SM Ryken 18-2, and beat Gonzaga 7-1 . . . they played the 2022 Hawks this past weekend and only beat them 9-7.

8th grade teams don't stand a chance vs the Hawks.

Because the Hawks 2022 players should all be in high school.

Hope you feel good beating up on younger kids. So proud.

Wrong - Its called great coaching and PRACTICE. You know that thing that people on this forum think the Hawks do too much. If all of the players should be HS they wouldn't need to practice so much to win.

So should API, Crabs, 91 , RR, FCA - all these teams have holdbacks- not affiliated with Hawks at all but the hypocrisy in this site is comical. Do you feel good bashing a team anonymously? If your kid is in the Elite league then you agreed to what the league is. Remember these players all know each other and know exactly how many holdbacks are on each team and that number is comparable across the board for Elite teams. Calling out 1 team sounds like you are a bitter sore loser that hates the decision he made for himself and kid. Also, the anonymous post on here are just that, more often than not, posters are done by the same * as yourself to try and bash a team you clearly have issues with

What is considered a Holdback anyway? My kid did preK holdback and done because of maturity reasons. What parent at that age even knows what sport or if kid will even play sports at a high level?

if they repeat 8th grade because they have the money and show talent then what are you going to do. Families might need scholarships to get through college so cant knock them but if its not about that and you have the money go ahead. I would not do it personally but people have their reasons. I would hope for academics since there is no future in Lacrosse beyond High school.

So my kid is 14 and will graduate 8th grade being 14. That seems pretty normal with his peers or am I wrong? Now he has summer birthday so for half the summer tournaments he will turn 15. again this seems pretty normal for his school?

I just think that like what someone posted- you know what your in for in the elite or even AA divisions so why complain or call out. If these kids are very good as 9th graders they will play against much bigger, stronger and Older kids in High school. I get some kids are late bloomers but again it does seem like the norm so why complain. I would have no idea what the age all kids on other teams much less all the ages of kids on my sons team other than a handfull and they all seem to be just like my son.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Spalding's JV lax team beat Dematha 5-2, beat SM Ryken 18-2, and beat Gonzaga 7-1 . . . they played the 2022 Hawks this past weekend and only beat them 9-7.

8th grade teams don't stand a chance vs the Hawks.

Because the Hawks 2022 players should all be in high school.

Hope you feel good beating up on younger kids. So proud.

darn, you beat me to it!

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

What is considered a Holdback anyway? My kid did preK holdback and done because of maturity reasons. What parent at that age even knows what sport or if kid will even play sports at a high level?

if they repeat 8th grade because they have the money and show talent then what are you going to do. Families might need scholarships to get through college so cant knock them but if its not about that and you have the money go ahead. I would not do it personally but people have their reasons. I would hope for academics since there is no future in Lacrosse beyond High school.

So my kid is 14 and will graduate 8th grade being 14. That seems pretty normal with his peers or am I wrong? Now he has summer birthday so for half the summer tournaments he will turn 15. again this seems pretty normal for his school?

I just think that like what someone posted- you know what your in for in the elite or even AA divisions so why complain or call out. If these kids are very good as 9th graders they will play against much bigger, stronger and Older kids in High school. I get some kids are late bloomers but again it does seem like the norm so why complain. I would have no idea what the age all kids on other teams much less all the ages of kids on my sons team other than a handfull and they all seem to be just like my son.

You miss the point about YOUTH sports. You like many prefirst/holdback/reclass parents always bring High School sports into YOUTH sports. Why and what you do with your child is no ones business except yours as it pertains to their education. Education and Youth sports are two completely different arenas for our children as is Youth sports and High SCHOOL sports.

Take your kid for example , why does your child born in the summer get an advantage in youth sports over another child born on same exact day. Is that child any less worthy of getting the same advantage your child gets. Youth sports doesnt carve out special exceptions that others cant get. If it was done in the spirit of youth sports it would allow anyone born on that summer date to play in that bracket, not just your son and the few others like him.

The reasons have changed over the last few years to this whole playing down concept. The Early Recruiting is gone. That was the biggest reason for 8th grade being grade based and had some validity. That is gone. Now it seems the only reason is to accommodate ( in Maryland /DC ) all the private school holdbacks/prefirsts. That isnt a good reason for allowing a few players a select advantage.

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

What is considered a Holdback anyway? My kid did preK holdback and done because of maturity reasons. What parent at that age even knows what sport or if kid will even play sports at a high level?

if they repeat 8th grade because they have the money and show talent then what are you going to do. Families might need scholarships to get through college so cant knock them but if its not about that and you have the money go ahead. I would not do it personally but people have their reasons. I would hope for academics since there is no future in Lacrosse beyond High school.

So my kid is 14 and will graduate 8th grade being 14. That seems pretty normal with his peers or am I wrong? Now he has summer birthday so for half the summer tournaments he will turn 15. again this seems pretty normal for his school?

I just think that like what someone posted- you know what your in for in the elite or even AA divisions so why complain or call out. If these kids are very good as 9th graders they will play against much bigger, stronger and Older kids in High school. I get some kids are late bloomers but again it does seem like the norm so why complain. I would have no idea what the age all kids on other teams much less all the ages of kids on my sons team other than a handfull and they all seem to be just like my son.

Well, since you asked, your son is a holdback. If his team is full of kids 15 or turning 15 during the summer, then your kid's team is full of holdbacks. We know that our kids will be competing in youth lacrosse against kids trying to gain an advantage that they couldn't achieve among kids their own age.

No it is not normal for a true 9th grader to turn 15 during the summer. If he turns 15 after the 1st of Sept then he is a true 9th grader and time before that he is a hold back.

his team is full of 14 yr olds just like the rest. I personally dont know any kid 15 yet so as i see it there is no advantage?

kids who did preK i would hope like us was not done for sports but academic and not to gain an advantage in lacrosse 10 years later. Having that "summmer birthday" put him on the other end of the spectrum all through Rec leagues - tykers and lightning and even i year of midgets he was always playing against kids a year or so older so i guess now it just evens out in club. He never complained and it helped him to be able to play at elite level now.

the attack on programs or parents is unfair but should be directed toward those who govern the game and make the rules.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Spalding's JV lax team beat Dematha 5-2, beat SM Ryken 18-2, and beat Gonzaga 7-1 . . . they played the 2022 Hawks this past weekend and only beat them 9-7.

8th grade teams don't stand a chance vs the Hawks.

Because the Hawks 2022 players should all be in high school.

Hope you feel good beating up on younger kids. So proud.

darn, you beat me to it!

aww chucks

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

his team is full of 14 yr olds just like the rest. I personally dont know any kid 15 yet so as i see it there is no advantage?

kids who did preK i would hope like us was not done for sports but academic and not to gain an advantage in lacrosse 10 years later. Having that "summmer birthday" put him on the other end of the spectrum all through Rec leagues - tykers and lightning and even i year of midgets he was always playing against kids a year or so older so i guess now it just evens out in club. He never complained and it helped him to be able to play at elite level now.

the attack on programs or parents is unfair but should be directed toward those who govern the game and make the rules.

So what should be done with the players born in summer who were never heldback?? Your son and others that were heldback get the advantage, shouldnt all children in youth lacrosse get this advantage? or just a select few.

Once again, No one cares about why you did prefirst and held you son back from going to first grade. That is your right as a a parent. But it does not give you some special rights in youth lacrosse later on to get an advantage others dont. Once you get to HS, enjoy it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

What is considered a Holdback anyway? My kid did preK holdback and done because of maturity reasons. What parent at that age even knows what sport or if kid will even play sports at a high level?

if they repeat 8th grade because they have the money and show talent then what are you going to do. Families might need scholarships to get through college so cant knock them but if its not about that and you have the money go ahead. I would not do it personally but people have their reasons. I would hope for academics since there is no future in Lacrosse beyond High school.

So my kid is 14 and will graduate 8th grade being 14. That seems pretty normal with his peers or am I wrong? Now he has summer birthday so for half the summer tournaments he will turn 15. again this seems pretty normal for his school?

I just think that like what someone posted- you know what your in for in the elite or even AA divisions so why complain or call out. If these kids are very good as 9th graders they will play against much bigger, stronger and Older kids in High school. I get some kids are late bloomers but again it does seem like the norm so why complain. I would have no idea what the age all kids on other teams much less all the ages of kids on my sons team other than a handfull and they all seem to be just like my son.

Well, since you asked, your son is a holdback. If his team is full of kids 15 or turning 15 during the summer, then your kid's team is full of holdbacks. We know that our kids will be competing in youth lacrosse against kids trying to gain an advantage that they couldn't achieve among kids their own age.

Classic idiotic response. If you agree to it then your comments are hypocritical to say the least. To also say that these kids can't compete against kids they own is comical too. No one can fault a parent for the reasoning behind holding a child back. At anytime,1st grade or 7th grade. If the sole purpose of a parent holding a kid back is lacrosse than shame on them. That is such a small percentage when this topic comes up.
Wether its immaturity, school and learning ability, physical maturity , no one has the right to hold judgement. The system is flawed without clear decisive rules and enforcement . However there is 4 divisions for this age group in this league. All the divisions will have kids playing in high school and most in college. Choosing the right fit for your kid is key. Choosing one then bashing it says more about you then the holdbacks. My sons team has holdbacks and none of them have a clear advantage over any other player. In fact they are the smallest young minded kids on team. Certainly some kids do have a clear advantage but it is not much and that completion is why we choose Elite and the club to play for.

so i huess you ignore the part about rec and sept 1 birthday- so when he was on the younger side he played against older kids/ no big deal no edge lost just learned to play harder--fight for everything

dont get your obsession

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

so i huess you ignore the part about rec and sept 1 birthday- so when he was on the younger side he played against older kids/ no big deal no edge lost just learned to play harder--fight for everything

dont get your obsession

I actually dont get your obsession ? Rec and Sept 1 Birthday?? You mean like all youth sports go by?? Bottom line is that your son played against older children in rec. Made him stronger. You think he deserves to be the oldest now in club due to this. Who doesnt get that?

You find no problem with letting select players like your son in youth get an advantage others dont get. So I acknowledge your points. What about your advantage you get ?? and others dont get with same birthday ?? I assume you cant see that. With no age restrictions we have the mess we have. Maybe 8th grade with puberty its starts somewhat evening out. Still advantage being older tho...But 4th and 3rd graders?
Why do we need grade base?

STFU with this holdback crap. Same BS year after year. No one but a couple whiney parents care. Go find a safe space or stage a walkout or something.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

STFU with this holdback crap. Same BS year after year. No one but a couple whiney parents care. Go find a safe space or stage a walkout or something.

You are the one who created “safe space” for your son by holding him back. U for youth lacrosse simple as that. Sorry your safe space environment won’t work out for you now that early recruiting has ended.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

STFU with this holdback crap. Same BS year after year. No one but a couple whiney parents care. Go find a safe space or stage a walkout or something.

You are the one who created “safe space” for your son by holding him back. U for youth lacrosse simple as that. Sorry your safe space environment won’t work out for you now that early recruiting has ended.

If you think that college coaches will stop recruiting due to the changes in the rules you are stupid. Players wont be able to commit but they will continue to talk to the coaches and will have a good idea where they plan to commit when its time. College coaches will still want the older freshman and most will find success at the college level. Just ask Petro next time you see him at a Koopers game. He is a huge fan of re-classed players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

STFU with this holdback crap. Same BS year after year. No one but a couple whiney parents care. Go find a safe space or stage a walkout or something.

You are the one who created “safe space” for your son by holding him back. U for youth lacrosse simple as that. Sorry your safe space environment won’t work out for you now that early recruiting has ended.

If you think that college coaches will stop recruiting due to the changes in the rules you are stupid. Players wont be able to commit but they will continue to talk to the coaches and will have a good idea where they plan to commit when its time. College coaches will still want the older freshman and most will find success at the college level. Just ask Petro next time you see him at a Koopers game. He is a huge fan of re-classed players.

No idea why he would want a 20 year old freshman over an 18 year old. How old are the freshman that are on the field at Albany, Maryland and Navy?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

STFU with this holdback crap. Same BS year after year. No one but a couple whiney parents care. Go find a safe space or stage a walkout or something.

You are the one who created “safe space” for your son by holding him back. U for youth lacrosse simple as that. Sorry your safe space environment won’t work out for you now that early recruiting has ended.

If you think that college coaches will stop recruiting due to the changes in the rules you are stupid. Players wont be able to commit but they will continue to talk to the coaches and will have a good idea where they plan to commit when its time. College coaches will still want the older freshman and most will find success at the college level. Just ask Petro next time you see him at a Koopers game. He is a huge fan of re-classed players.

No idea why he would want a 20 year old freshman over an 18 year old. How old are the freshman that are on the field at Albany, Maryland and Navy?

"Freshman" means different things at these colleges. Getting re- classed and then doing a post grad year means you are a 20 year old freshman. College coaches love them.

They actually should come up with a new category for these players. Tough for an 18 year old player to be compared to them as far as end of the season accolades goes.

2022 will be in HS next year where they will be playing against kids two and three years older. Get over your holdback hangups. The don’t exist in 5 more months. Y’all are a bunch of crybabies. Funny crybabies, I will give you that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

STFU with this holdback crap. Same BS year after year. No one but a couple whiney parents care. Go find a safe space or stage a walkout or something.

You are the one who created “safe space” for your son by holding him back. U for youth lacrosse simple as that. Sorry your safe space environment won’t work out for you now that early recruiting has ended.

If you think that college coaches will stop recruiting due to the changes in the rules you are stupid. Players wont be able to commit but they will continue to talk to the coaches and will have a good idea where they plan to commit when its time. College coaches will still want the older freshman and most will find success at the college level. Just ask Petro next time you see him at a Koopers game. He is a huge fan of re-classed players.

No idea why he would want a 20 year old freshman over an 18 year old. How old are the freshman that are on the field at Albany, Maryland and Navy?

"Freshman" means different things at these colleges. Getting re- classed and then doing a post grad year means you are a 20 year old freshman. College coaches love them.

They actually should come up with a new category for these players. Tough for an 18 year old player to be compared to them as far as end of the season accolades goes.

TN is a 20 year old freshman. Yeah, why would any D1 team want him on their team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

STFU with this holdback crap. Same BS year after year. No one but a couple whiney parents care. Go find a safe space or stage a walkout or something.

You are the one who created “safe space” for your son by holding him back. U for youth lacrosse simple as that. Sorry your safe space environment won’t work out for you now that early recruiting has ended.

If you think that college coaches will stop recruiting due to the changes in the rules you are stupid. Players wont be able to commit but they will continue to talk to the coaches and will have a good idea where they plan to commit when its time. College coaches will still want the older freshman and most will find success at the college level. Just ask Petro next time you see him at a Koopers game. He is a huge fan of re-classed players.

You made this up as he hates the holdback game. If he likes it so much, why didn't he hold his boys back when they came to BL? He thinks early recruiting was terrible as offering kids in 8th and 9th grade was like rolling dice on if they would be good come college.

And per the new rules coaches can't talk to the coaches at all unless they are on campus and there are to be no dicussions of offers or anything other than the college coach can tell the players high school or club coach of "general interest".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 will be in HS next year where they will be playing against kids two and three years older. Get over your holdback hangups. The don’t exist in 5 more months. Y’all are a bunch of crybabies. Funny crybabies, I will give you that.

No the only crybabies wimps are people like you who couldnt have his son compete against other kids his own age in YOUTH lacrosse.

You wimps love to try to tie HS School lacrosse with youth lacrosse . Two completely different things except to wimps like you who cant have their child compete against same age children.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Spalding's JV lax team beat Dematha 5-2, beat SM Ryken 18-2, and beat Gonzaga 7-1 . . . they played the 2022 Hawks this past weekend and only beat them 9-7.

8th grade teams don't stand a chance vs the Hawks.

Because the Hawks 2022 players should all be in high school.

Hope you feel good beating up on younger kids. So proud.

Wrong - Its called great coaching and PRACTICE. You know that thing that people on this forum think the Hawks do too much. If all of the players should be HS they wouldn't need to practice so much to win.

Hawks #32 will be skipping HS next year for a chance to play pro in the MLL at 30k a year. Parents are thilled the holdback strategy worked. At 21y/o #32 is thrilled to graduate middle school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No it is not normal for a true 9th grader to turn 15 during the summer. If he turns 15 after the 1st of Sept then he is a true 9th grader and time before that he is a hold back.

Wasn't always SEPT 1
In fact the rules changed mid way thru last year. Cut off was Mid May -
Rule changed well after teams held try outs. This would not even be a topic if that rule did not change. It will change again too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

STFU with this holdback crap. Same BS year after year. No one but a couple whiney parents care. Go find a safe space or stage a walkout or something.

You are the one who created “safe space” for your son by holding him back. U for youth lacrosse simple as that. Sorry your safe space environment won’t work out for you now that early recruiting has ended.

If you think that college coaches will stop recruiting due to the changes in the rules you are stupid. Players wont be able to commit but they will continue to talk to the coaches and will have a good idea where they plan to commit when its time. College coaches will still want the older freshman and most will find success at the college level. Just ask Petro next time you see him at a Koopers game. He is a huge fan of re-classed players.

You made this up as he hates the holdback game. If he likes it so much, why didn't he hold his boys back when they came to BL? He thinks early recruiting was terrible as offering kids in 8th and 9th grade was like rolling dice on if they would be good come college.

And per the new rules coaches can't talk to the coaches at all unless they are on campus and there are to be no dicussions of offers or anything other than the college coach can tell the players high school or club coach of "general interest".

Have you seen his roster? He certainly does not hate holdbacks and has used it to his advantage from day 1! He didn't have to hold his kids back , they are already older than everyone else.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 will be in HS next year where they will be playing against kids two and three years older. Get over your holdback hangups. The don’t exist in 5 more months. Y’all are a bunch of crybabies. Funny crybabies, I will give you that.

No the only crybabies wimps are people like you who couldnt have his son compete against other kids his own age in YOUTH lacrosse.

You wimps love to try to tie HS School lacrosse with youth lacrosse . Two completely different things except to wimps like you who cant have their child compete against same age children.

Wimps?Big words on an anonymous site. What makes you think my kid is a holdback ? Do you think everyone that is not a holdback agrees with you? Think again ! Some of us actually don't give a hoot and completely agree to play along side and against anyone in the this league. My bet my son is younger than yours a would whip the [ChillLaxin] out of your kid just like he does the holdbacks. Save your name calling for the sideline so you can get some real attention !

Hawks 22 team is full of holdbacks. Just ask the on age kids that are getting replaced by the older boys. Coach drives around in linex ex covered truck with a fake claymore mind on the bumper. Complete hammerhead.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Spalding's JV lax team beat Dematha 5-2, beat SM Ryken 18-2, and beat Gonzaga 7-1 . . . they played the 2022 Hawks this past weekend and only beat them 9-7.

8th grade teams don't stand a chance vs the Hawks.

Because the Hawks 2022 players should all be in high school.

Hope you feel good beating up on younger kids. So proud.

Wrong - Its called great coaching and PRACTICE. You know that thing that people on this forum think the Hawks do too much. If all of the players should be HS they wouldn't need to practice so much to win.

Hawks #32 will be skipping HS next year for a chance to play pro in the MLL at 30k a year. Parents are thilled the holdback strategy worked. At 21y/o #32 is thrilled to graduate middle school.

LMAO - Wrong again. Tell little Johnnie to work harder and to stop grasping for excuses.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]STFU with this holdback crap. Same BS year after year. No one but a couple whiney parents care. Go find a safe space or stage a walkout or something.

You are the one who created “safe space” for your son by holding him back. U for youth lacrosse simple as that. Sorry your safe space environment won’t work out for you now that early recruiting has ended.

If you think that college coaches will stop recruiting due to the changes in the rules you are stupid. Players wont be able to commit but they will continue to talk to the coaches and will have a good idea where they plan to commit when its time. College coaches will still want the older freshman and most will find success at the college level. Just ask Petro next time you see him at a Koopers game. He is a huge fan of re-classed players.

You made this up as he hates the holdback game. If he likes it so much, why didn't he hold his boys back when they came to BL? He thinks early recruiting was terrible as offering kids in 8th and 9th grade was like rolling dice on if they would be good come college.

And per the new rules coaches can't talk to the coaches at all unless they are on campus and there are to be no dicussions of offers or anything other than the college coach can tell the players high school or club coach of "general interest".[/quo

Might want to ask him what he was telling parents last summer during a local tournament. Very much encouraging parents to re-class their kids. Also I'm pretty sure he was one of the few coaches taking commitments from 8th graders. Easy to google the information. You will find him posing with 8th graders after they committed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 22 team is full of holdbacks. Just ask the on age kids that are getting replaced by the older boys. Coach drives around in linex ex covered truck with a fake claymore mind on the bumper. Complete hammerhead.

Someone has a crush. #laxstalker

Originally Posted by Anonymous

STFU with this holdback crap. Same BS year after year. No one but a couple whiney parents care. Go find a safe space or stage a walkout or something.

You are the one who created “safe space” for your son by holding him back. U for youth lacrosse simple as that. Sorry your safe space environment won’t work out for you now that early recruiting has ended.

If you think that college coaches will stop recruiting due to the changes in the rules you are stupid. Players wont be able to commit but they will continue to talk to the coaches and will have a good idea where they plan to commit when its time. College coaches will still want the older freshman and most will find success at the college level. Just ask Petro next time you see him at a Koopers game. He is a huge fan of re-classed players.

You made this up as he hates the holdback game. If he likes it so much, why didn't he hold his boys back when they came to BL? He thinks early recruiting was terrible as offering kids in 8th and 9th grade was like rolling dice on if they would be good come college.

And per the new rules coaches can't talk to the coaches at all unless they are on campus and there are to be no dicussions of offers or anything other than the college coach can tell the players high school or club coach of "general interest".

Have you seen his roster? He certainly does not hate holdbacks and has used it to his advantage from day 1! He didn't have to hold his kids back , they are already older than everyone else.

I didn't say he didn't participate in early recruiting. Everyone did which is why they stopped it. I said he did not agree with it. His boys are not older, they are on age for 2022. They were born in 9/2003. Stop making things up which you have no clue about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 22 team is full of holdbacks. Just ask the on age kids that are getting replaced by the older boys. Coach drives around in linex ex covered truck with a fake claymore mind on the bumper. Complete hammerhead.

Someone has a crush. #laxstalker

Sounds like a man crush. Everyone wants to be with a winner.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 will be in HS next year where they will be playing against kids two and three years older. Get over your holdback hangups. The don’t exist in 5 more months. Y’all are a bunch of crybabies. Funny crybabies, I will give you that.

No the only crybabies wimps are people like you who couldnt have his son compete against other kids his own age in YOUTH lacrosse.

You wimps love to try to tie HS School lacrosse with youth lacrosse . Two completely different things except to wimps like you who cant have their child compete against same age children.

Wimps?Big words on an anonymous site. What makes you think my kid is a holdback ? Do you think everyone that is not a holdback agrees with you? Think again ! Some of us actually don't give a hoot and completely agree to play along side and against anyone in the this league. My bet my son is younger than yours and would whip your kid just like he does the holdbacks. Save your name calling for the sideline so you can get some real attention !

I see. Only tough guys like you are allowed to insult. You are funny, I will give you that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 will be in HS next year where they will be playing against kids two and three years older. Get over your holdback hangups. The don’t exist in 5 more months. Y’all are a bunch of crybabies. Funny crybabies, I will give you that.

No the only crybabies wimps are people like you who couldnt have his son compete against other kids his own age in YOUTH lacrosse.

You wimps love to try to tie HS School lacrosse with youth lacrosse . Two completely different things except to wimps like you who cant have their child compete against same age children.

I have a daughter, not a son, and she is on age and plays with girls 2 and 3 years older than her. She doesn't cry about it. She works hard to earn her time, and gets it.
There are holdbacks on the girls side too. But not nearly the amount of crying as the boys side. That's what's really funny. And you are funny. Calling someone a wimp behind the name anonymous.

Dont think he Deserves anything, he earned it by not complaing all through rec when he was younger. I never told him it is a disadvantge to be younger or that "it's ok the other kids are older". I kept encourging and just enjoying watching him compete wether he had a good game or got beaten down by those "older kids". I never complained about Sept 1 date line.

YOu seem obsessed with this Holdback thing. It is part of the sport and its not just a few, it is increasingly normal for a child to be 14 in Eighth Grade.

It sounds like you are missing out on watching your kid play and worrying about every other kid that you perceive is a hold back on the field because he looks big, fast etc. Just like you come on here a bash other clubs and parents when i know you have no idea the age of every kid on every Elite team in HOCO. Enjoy this time because it ends pretty quick. Again if your kid is truly talented them he will get noticed in high school and have a shot at playing D1. Not sure what else would bother you because i hope NOBODYon here is hoping their kids future is professional Lacrosse.

Just like Most parents reason for holdbacks is helping them academically in high school, more mature and able to handle things...but i do realize a few are doing it for the sport and that is not something i would choose but to do but i am not worried about their children just my own.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 will be in HS next year where they will be playing against kids two and three years older. Get over your holdback hangups. The don’t exist in 5 more months. Y’all are a bunch of crybabies. Funny crybabies, I will give you that.

No the only crybabies wimps are people like you who couldnt have his son compete against other kids his own age in YOUTH lacrosse.

You wimps love to try to tie HS School lacrosse with youth lacrosse . Two completely different things except to wimps like you who cant have their child compete against same age children.

I have a daughter, not a son, and she is on age and plays with girls 2 and 3 years older than her. She doesn't cry about it. She works hard to earn her time, and gets it.
There are holdbacks on the girls side too. But not nearly the amount of crying as the boys side. That's what's really funny. And you are funny. Calling someone a wimp behind the name anonymous.

First, it is strange that someone who does not have a son in the 2022 age group would be posting more than a few times in a 2022 group but??? I think the issue people have with age differences may have merit but it is not addressed in the rules of the HOCO league. However, this weekend is the WSYL for the 2023 group and it does not include many of the teams in MD. This is clearly due to the age restrictions. I hear some claim money but hard to justify with teams of future Landon/Bullis kids. The movement to create more age based tournaments is growing and this will address the issue the same way the changes to early recruiting ended much of the debates on that topic on message boards like this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

STFU with this holdback crap. Same BS year after year. No one but a couple whiney parents care. Go find a safe space or stage a walkout or something.

You are the one who created “safe space” for your son by holding him back. U for youth lacrosse simple as that. Sorry your safe space environment won’t work out for you now that early recruiting has ended.

If you think that college coaches will stop recruiting due to the changes in the rules you are stupid. Players wont be able to commit but they will continue to talk to the coaches and will have a good idea where they plan to commit when its time. College coaches will still want the older freshman and most will find success at the college level. Just ask Petro next time you see him at a Koopers game. He is a huge fan of re-classed players.

You made this up as he hates the holdback game. If he likes it so much, why didn't he hold his boys back when they came to BL? He thinks early recruiting was terrible as offering kids in 8th and 9th grade was like rolling dice on if they would be good come college.

And per the new rules coaches can't talk to the coaches at all unless they are on campus and there are to be no dicussions of offers or anything other than the college coach can tell the players high school or club coach of "general interest".

Have you seen his roster? He certainly does not hate holdbacks and has used it to his advantage from day 1! He didn't have to hold his kids back , they are already older than everyone else.

I didn't say he didn't participate in early recruiting. Everyone did which is why they stopped it. I said he did not agree with it. His boys are not older, they are on age for 2022. They were born in 9/2003. Stop making things up which you have no clue about.

i know what i heard from the coaches mouth along with other parents. unless he has a twin like his boys.

Some on here will claim that his boys having a 9/2003 dob makes the hold-backs. .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 will be in HS next year where they will be playing against kids two and three years older. Get over your holdback hangups. The don’t exist in 5 more months. Y’all are a bunch of crybabies. Funny crybabies, I will give you that.

No the only crybabies wimps are people like you who couldnt have his son compete against other kids his own age in YOUTH lacrosse.

You wimps love to try to tie HS School lacrosse with youth lacrosse . Two completely different things except to wimps like you who cant have their child compete against same age children.

I have a daughter, not a son, and she is on age and plays with girls 2 and 3 years older than her. She doesn't cry about it. She works hard to earn her time, and gets it.
There are holdbacks on the girls side too. But not nearly the amount of crying as the boys side. That's what's really funny. And you are funny. Calling someone a wimp behind the name anonymous.

First, it is strange that someone who does not have a son in the 2022 age group would be posting more than a few times in a 2022 group but??? I think the issue people have with age differences may have merit but it is not addressed in the rules of the HOCO league. However, this weekend is the WSYL for the 2023 group and it does not include many of the teams in MD. This is clearly due to the age restrictions. I hear some claim money but hard to justify with teams of future Landon/Bullis kids. The movement to create more age based tournaments is growing and this will address the issue the same way the changes to early recruiting ended much of the debates on that topic on message boards like this.

Is the 2022 age group the only one you read?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2022 will be in HS next year where they will be playing against kids two and three years older. Get over your holdback hangups. The don’t exist in 5 more months. Y’all are a bunch of crybabies. Funny crybabies, I will give you that.

No the only crybabies wimps are people like you who couldnt have his son compete against other kids his own age in YOUTH lacrosse.

You wimps love to try to tie HS School lacrosse with youth lacrosse . Two completely different things except to wimps like you who cant have their child compete against same age children.

I have a daughter, not a son, and she is on age and plays with girls 2 and 3 years older than her. She doesn't cry about it. She works hard to earn her time, and gets it.
There are holdbacks on the girls side too. But not nearly the amount of crying as the boys side. That's what's really funny. And you are funny. Calling someone a wimp behind the name anonymous.

And calling someone a crybaby behind the anonymous name is ok ?? Hilarious .

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

Dont think he Deserves anything, he earned it by not complaing all through rec when he was younger. I never told him it is a disadvantge to be younger or that "it's ok the other kids are older". I kept encourging and just enjoying watching him compete wether he had a good game or got beaten down by those "older kids". I never complained about Sept 1 date line.

YOu seem obsessed with this Holdback thing. It is part of the sport and its not just a few, it is increasingly normal for a child to be 14 in Eighth Grade.

It sounds like you are missing out on watching your kid play and worrying about every other kid that you perceive is a hold back on the field because he looks big, fast etc. Just like you come on here a bash other clubs and parents when i know you have no idea the age of every kid on every Elite team in HOCO. Enjoy this time because it ends pretty quick. Again if your kid is truly talented them he will get noticed in high school and have a shot at playing D1. Not sure what else would bother you because i hope NOBODYon here is hoping their kids future is professional Lacrosse.

Just like Most parents reason for holdbacks is helping them academically in high school, more mature and able to handle things...but i do realize a few are doing it for the sport and that is not something i would choose but to do but i am not worried about their children just my own.

Once again you miss the whole point. Youth sports should be aged based. Grade based without age restrictions, allows select kids to get an advantage. That goes against all that youth sports stands for. Really a very simple concept that all major youth sports have adopted.
And this " its part of the sport " is only a few years old. Maybe you dont understand that part either. I and many others think it is wrong for youth sports and should switch back to the way it was for 50 years prior. . There were several reasons that Youth lacrosse needed to go grade based a few years ago. ER was the main one . Thats gone.

Your knowledge of me and others like me is incredible. You might want to hold off opening a fortune telling shop. ; )

High School has been grade based always. . And even HS has some restrictions on age at the end of HS. But its a four year spread and its played by players that have reached puberty for the most part. Look at the HS forums. Very little chatter on older players. High School teams and Youth teams are completely different as many have stated earlier.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Hawks 22 team is full of holdbacks. Just ask the on age kids that are getting replaced by the older boys.

Seems like this guy has the coach on his mind.

If you think the advantage is so great in this YOUTH elite division in this league then don't sign up for it! There is a ton of club teams across the country who don't have an issue with it. Plenty of other divisions to pick from. In fact a division for every skill level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you think the advantage is so great in this YOUTH elite division in this league then don't sign up for it! There is a ton of club teams across the country who don't have an issue with it. Plenty of other divisions to pick from. In fact a division for every skill level.

Yeah! This is the holdback division. Get with the program.

Let's go back 50 years??? Unfortunately it's all about money and obviously everyone is buying in including you. If you don't like it you can stay in rec or join a club team in a lesser division.

You know what you get with Club lacrosse , start your own out start a petition if you feel so strongly but coming on here and vilifying parents is doing nothing for you or your children.

Just to put this in perspective.....would you think it's fair for a child in say 6th grade to wrestle some other kid 1 1\2 to 2 years older but through puberty already? They're in the same weight class. And with being a hold back now they're in the same grade. I'm pretty sure the answer is no. But this is exactly what is going on in youth lacrosse. And I know this is an 8th grade forum, it's just used as an example.

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

Let's go back 50 years??? Unfortunately it's all about money and obviously everyone is buying in including you. If you don't like it you can stay in rec or join a club team in a lesser division.

You know what you get with Club lacrosse , start your own out start a petition if you feel so strongly but coming on here and vilifying parents is doing nothing for you or your children.

You seem to not understand anything that is being put in front of you. " Lets go back 50 years " who said that? Only you. Lacrosse has been age based for that last 50 years prior to JUST a few years ago when the need arose by ER and the clubs expansion. That along with HOCO being run by a MIAA parent who had vested interest in making lacrosse grade based. Even tho all other HoCO leagues were and still are aged based. You ever wonder why only the Howard County Lacrosse League is grade based and all other youth sports leagues are age based in Howard County Rec Dep ?? Probably not. Howard County Recreation Department should get the award for ruining youth lacrosse in Maryland.

Who is vilifying any parent?? Another straw man by you. I think the youth system is wrong and will continue to voice my opinion and continue to write to any agency that has an impact on youth lacrosse.

The largest sport in the world soccer had so many issues with grade base years ago that it went entirely to a simple age base system for all members. Youth Baseball at the High level is Age based. Youth Football is age based. Youth BB AAU is age based at youth mainly now. They have a grade based at youth which has so much acrimony that it is being phased out in the next few years at youth level. Many U14 and under youth tournaments are only aged based now.

But keep telling me how Youth Lacrosse is special and we need grade based teams. Or that I can go play Rec. I care about the sport and you seem to care about you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I didn't say he didn't participate in early recruiting. Everyone did which is why they stopped it. I said he did not agree with it. His boys are not older, they are on age for 2022. They were born in 9/2003. Stop making things up which you have no clue about.

i know what i heard from the coaches mouth along with other parents. unless he has a twin like his boys.

Some on here will claim that his boys having a 9/2003 dob makes the hold-backs. .

When the date cutoff for school is 9/1, explain to me how boys born in 9/2003 are holdbacks if they are in 8th grade right now? This is the Maryland Forum. I know LI has a different date, but even they can't say the boys are holdbacks when they are in line with state law.

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

Dont think he Deserves anything, he earned it by not complaing all through rec when he was younger. I never told him it is a disadvantge to be younger or that "it's ok the other kids are older". I kept encourging and just enjoying watching him compete wether he had a good game or got beaten down by those "older kids". I never complained about Sept 1 date line.

YOu seem obsessed with this Holdback thing. It is part of the sport and its not just a few, it is increasingly normal for a child to be 14 in Eighth Grade.

It sounds like you are missing out on watching your kid play and worrying about every other kid that you perceive is a hold back on the field because he looks big, fast etc. Just like you come on here a bash other clubs and parents when i know you have no idea the age of every kid on every Elite team in HOCO. Enjoy this time because it ends pretty quick. Again if your kid is truly talented them he will get noticed in high school and have a shot at playing D1. Not sure what else would bother you because i hope NOBODYon here is hoping their kids future is professional Lacrosse.

Just like Most parents reason for holdbacks is helping them academically in high school, more mature and able to handle things...but i do realize a few are doing it for the sport and that is not something i would choose but to do but i am not worried about their children just my own.

Increasingly normal for a child to be 14 in 8th grade? Hasn't it always been? On age kids turn 14 during 8th grade. So anyone born between 9/1/2003 and today would be on age and also 14 years old.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just to put this in perspective.....would you think it's fair for a child in say 6th grade to wrestle some other kid 1 1\2 to 2 years older but through puberty already? They're in the same weight class. And with being a hold back now they're in the same grade. I'm pretty sure the answer is no. But this is exactly what is going on in youth lacrosse. And I know this is an 8th grade forum, it's just used as an example.

kids do wrestle kids that are 2 or 3 years older, happens all of the time. before the advent of the club spring leagues the rec leagues in our area were broken into 2 year windows, clinic, peewee, midg and juniors....somehow the boys survived having to play against kids a year older

How did you like the game DG?
12-2 buddy

Madlax still owns Crabs

Any scores from early games?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax still owns Crabs

Madlax win?
What were the other results?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax still owns Crabs

Madlax win?
What were the other results?

All that matters is that Crabs lost.

10-7 Madlax... good game till 4th period. Madlax looked like they wanted it more getting more of the 50/50 ball's. Crabs played sloppy, could not execute with a lot of unforced turnovers on the offensive end.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax still owns Crabs

Madlax win?
What were the other results?

All that matters is that Crabs lost.

Koopers 8 MD91 3. Really great game of lacrosse. Both teams played awesome defense. Koopers midfield defense and offensive "pace" were the difference in the game.

Also got to watch Hawks/Diamondbacks. Hawks have just too many weapons. Play at a nice pace and ran several set pieces to perfection. Diamondbacks gave a good effort but fell behind when smaller d-poles and middies on the field. Gotta be big and strong to compete with Hawks, Koopers.

RR 6 to 3
Good game RR controlled the ball most of the game
Goalie and D for RR had a good game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just to put this in perspective.....would you think it's fair for a child in say 6th grade to wrestle some other kid 1 1\2 to 2 years older but through puberty already? They're in the same weight class. And with being a hold back now they're in the same grade. I'm pretty sure the answer is no. But this is exactly what is going on in youth lacrosse. And I know this is an 8th grade forum, it's just used as an example.

Apparently you don’t have a son that wrestles at an “elite” level. Go to McDonogh Duals sometime. I’m sorry to say the same thing is happening in wrestling. Soccer might be the only one with player cards with birthdates.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just to put this in perspective.....would you think it's fair for a child in say 6th grade to wrestle some other kid 1 1\2 to 2 years older but through puberty already? They're in the same weight class. And with being a hold back now they're in the same grade. I'm pretty sure the answer is no. But this is exactly what is going on in youth lacrosse. And I know this is an 8th grade forum, it's just used as an example.

Apparently you don’t have a son that wrestles at an “elite” level. Go to McDonogh Duals sometime. I’m sorry to say the same thing is happening in wrestling. Soccer might be the only one with player cards with birthdates.

Your perspective means crap - please stop posting on this forum about something you think might be relevant. Have you ever been to a wrestling tournament? Also, there is an entire forum for those that want to voice their prospective about holdbacks and all that is wrong with youth lacrosse.
This forum is for those who actually like and enjoy watching their kids play against anyone that is in front of them. Win or lose. The day that holdback parents and the parents that cry foul after agreeing to pay and play with holdbacks learn that WINNING is just part of the game. Better start teaching your kids how to lose. Lacrosse teaches much more. It is a real shame that the parents can't let go for just a second to let their kid learn how to win and lose.

Yes well said, go to another forum or thread, this is for talking about games. Go talk to head of youth lacrosse or whom ever it is that governs this league and complain to them about how unfair life is..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Game 2 Predictions - What you got?

Madlax - Capital vs. Crabs ----------------------------------------------------------------Madlax in a battle
API Diamondbacks vs. Annapolis Hawks - Green-----------------------------------Hawks BIG
Koopers vs. Team 91------------------------------------------------------------------------Koopers by 3
Roughriders vs. FCA - Blue----------------------------------------------------------------RR BIG

NOT BAD

Game 3 Predictions coming soon.

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

Yes well said, go to another forum or thread, this is for talking about games. Go talk to head of youth lacrosse or whom ever it is that governs this league and complain to them about how unfair life is..

I agree - Step away from the computer and spend more time with your son. No excuses

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just to put this in perspective.....would you think it's fair for a child in say 6th grade to wrestle some other kid 1 1\2 to 2 years older but through puberty already? They're in the same weight class. And with being a hold back now they're in the same grade. I'm pretty sure the answer is no. But this is exactly what is going on in youth lacrosse. And I know this is an 8th grade forum, it's just used as an example.

kids do wrestle kids that are 2 or 3 years older, happens all of the time. before the advent of the club spring leagues the rec leagues in our area were broken into 2 year windows, clinic, peewee, midg and juniors....somehow the boys survived having to play against kids a year older

Spot on

Game Predictions - Getting easier and more games are played.

Friday Game 3
Team 91 vs. FCA - Blue---------------------------------------------------------------------Team 91 BIG
Roughriders vs. Annapolis Hawks - Green---------------------------------------------Hawks in a battle
Koopers vs. API Diamondbacks-----------------------------------------------------------Koopers BIG

Saturday Game 4
DC Express - Black vs. Crabs--------------------------------------------------------------Crabs in a battle
API Diamondbacks vs. FCA - Blue--------------------------------------------------------API gets first win
Koopers vs. Roughriders---------------------------------------------------------------------Koopers in a battle
Annapolis Hawks - Green vs. Team 91---------------------------------------------------Hawks BIG

API has given up 25 goals in 2 games. They need to stop listening to criticism about playing zone if they want a chance to win. The goalies are not good enough.

Heard that 2 of the API coaches were arguing amongst each other on the sideline yesterday. Telling each other to shut up. NOT good for the players. Its time for them to move on from the old coach. He isn't the head coach anymore but is still on the sidelines running the team. What are his credentials?

They probably should have moved to AA like Next Level, Cannons and Club Blue. Gonna be a LOOOOOONG spring season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

API has given up 25 goals in 2 games. They need to stop listening to criticism about playing zone if they want a chance to win. The goalies are not good enough.

Heard that 2 of the API coaches were arguing amongst each other on the sideline yesterday. Telling each other to shut up. NOT good for the players. Its time for them to move on from the old coach. He isn't the head coach anymore but is still on the sidelines running the team. What are his credentials?

They probably should have moved to AA like Next Level, Cannons and Club Blue. Gonna be a LOOOOOONG spring season.

You heard? What are his credentials ? Are you serious? So you were not at the game? You mean besides the fact they are one of the most winning 2022 teams in the country. They won a lot and won many championships. They won a lot of games last year and did very well at WSYL. Say what you want but he is also a dad just like almost every other head coach for this age group up until last year with the exception of the Crabs. He also took a step back with the hope it would help the team. They have new coaching, what else do you want to see happen? Sounds like you have a direct issue with him. If you are not part of the team than your post is very creepy and disturbing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

API has given up 25 goals in 2 games. They need to stop listening to criticism about playing zone if they want a chance to win. The goalies are not good enough.

Heard that 2 of the API coaches were arguing amongst each other on the sideline yesterday. Telling each other to shut up. NOT good for the players. Its time for them to move on from the old coach. He isn't the head coach anymore but is still on the sidelines running the team. What are his credentials?

They probably should have moved to AA like Next Level, Cannons and Club Blue. Gonna be a LOOOOOONG spring season.

You heard? What are his credentials ? Are you serious? So you were not at the game? You mean besides the fact they are one of the most winning 2022 teams in the country. They won a lot and won many championships. They won a lot of games last year and did very well at WSYL. Say what you want but he is also a dad just like almost every other head coach for this age group up until last year with the exception of the Crabs. He also took a step back with the hope it would help the team. They have new coaching, what else do you want to see happen? Sounds like you have a direct issue with him. If you are not part of the team than your post is very creepy and disturbing.

Are you saying that the coaches weren't having an issue? I wasn't there but people talk.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

API has given up 25 goals in 2 games. They need to stop listening to criticism about playing zone if they want a chance to win. The goalies are not good enough.

Heard that 2 of the API coaches were arguing amongst each other on the sideline yesterday. Telling each other to shut up. NOT good for the players. Its time for them to move on from the old coach. He isn't the head coach anymore but is still on the sidelines running the team. What are his credentials?

They probably should have moved to AA like Next Level, Cannons and Club Blue. Gonna be a LOOOOOONG spring season.

You heard? What are his credentials ? Are you serious? So you were not at the game? You mean besides the fact they are one of the most winning 2022 teams in the country. They won a lot and won many championships. They won a lot of games last year and did very well at WSYL. Say what you want but he is also a dad just like almost every other head coach for this age group up until last year with the exception of the Crabs. He also took a step back with the hope it would help the team. They have new coaching, what else do you want to see happen? Sounds like you have a direct issue with him. If you are not part of the team than your post is very creepy and disturbing.

12-2 good buddy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just to put this in perspective.....would you think it's fair for a child in say 6th grade to wrestle some other kid 1 1\2 to 2 years older but through puberty already? They're in the same weight class. And with being a hold back now they're in the same grade. I'm pretty sure the answer is no. But this is exactly what is going on in youth lacrosse. And I know this is an 8th grade forum, it's just used as an example.

kids do wrestle kids that are 2 or 3 years older, happens all of the time. before the advent of the club spring leagues the rec leagues in our area were broken into 2 year windows, clinic, peewee, midg and juniors....somehow the boys survived having to play against kids a year older

Spot on

Spot OFF... Every other year you were with the older group. Not every year you play holdbacks get the advantage of being oldest . Come up with a better excuse. And wrestling?? You are within 10 lbs of whatever age the other wrestler is. Another lame holdback apologist excuse

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

10-7 Madlax... good game till 4th period. Madlax looked like they wanted it more getting more of the 50/50 ball's. Crabs played sloppy, could not execute with a lot of unforced turnovers on the offensive end.

What's the over/under on RM "quitting" on his 2022? Remember, he is the textbook definition of a front runner. An assembler of all star teams who falls flat on his face when not provided with top flight raw material. Does the Conference collect rosters at the outset of the season or can you bring out of state "ringers" to the HOCO playoffs? Does anyone know?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

10-7 Madlax... good game till 4th period. Madlax looked like they wanted it more getting more of the 50/50 ball's. Crabs played sloppy, could not execute with a lot of unforced turnovers on the offensive end.

What's the over/under on RM "quitting" on his 2022? Remember, he is the textbook definition of a front runner. An assembler of all star teams who falls flat on his face when not provided with top flight raw material. Does the Conference collect rosters at the outset of the season or can you bring out of state "ringers" to the HOCO playoffs? Does anyone know?

Were the out of state ringers missing yesterday?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Just to put this in perspective.....would you think it's fair for a child in say 6th grade to wrestle some other kid 1 1\2 to 2 years older but through puberty already? They're in the same weight class. And with being a hold back now they're in the same grade. I'm pretty sure the answer is no. But this is exactly what is going on in youth lacrosse. And I know this is an 8th grade forum, it's just used as an example.

kids do wrestle kids that are 2 or 3 years older, happens all of the time. before the advent of the club spring leagues the rec leagues in our area were broken into 2 year windows, clinic, peewee, midg and juniors....somehow the boys survived having to play against kids a year older

Spot on

Spot OFF... Every other year you were with the older group. Not every year you play holdbacks get the advantage of being oldest . Come up with a better excuse. And wrestling?? You are within 10 lbs of whatever age the other wrestler is. Another lame holdback apologist excuse[/quote

You should march and put an end to re-classed players.

Madlax result today?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Just to put this in perspective.....would you think it's fair for a child in say 6th grade to wrestle some other kid 1 1\2 to 2 years older but through puberty already? They're in the same weight class. And with being a hold back now they're in the same grade. I'm pretty sure the answer is no. But this is exactly what is going on in youth lacrosse. And I know this is an 8th grade forum, it's just used as an example.

kids do wrestle kids that are 2 or 3 years older, happens all of the time. before the advent of the club spring leagues the rec leagues in our area were broken into 2 year windows, clinic, peewee, midg and juniors....somehow the boys survived having to play against kids a year older

Spot on

Spot OFF... Every other year you were with the older group. Not every year you play holdbacks get the advantage of being oldest . Come up with a better excuse. And wrestling?? You are within 10 lbs of whatever age the other wrestler is. Another lame holdback apologist excuse

You should march and put an end to re-classed players.

You should stop making excuses and justifying letting select players play down in Youth lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax result today?

10-9 win in double OT against DCE. Good hard game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Just to put this in perspective.....would you think it's fair for a child in say 6th grade to wrestle some other kid 1 1\2 to 2 years older but through puberty already? They're in the same weight class. And with being a hold back now they're in the same grade. I'm pretty sure the answer is no. But this is exactly what is going on in youth lacrosse. And I know this is an 8th grade forum, it's just used as an example.

kids do wrestle kids that are 2 or 3 years older, happens all of the time. before the advent of the club spring leagues the rec leagues in our area were broken into 2 year windows, clinic, peewee, midg and juniors....somehow the boys survived having to play against kids a year older

Spot on

Spot OFF... Every other year you were with the older group. Not every year you play holdbacks get the advantage of being oldest . Come up with a better excuse. And wrestling?? You are within 10 lbs of whatever age the other wrestler is. Another lame holdback apologist excuse

You should march and put an end to re-classed players.

You should stop making excuses and justifying letting select players play down in Youth lacrosse.

Nice try. My boys aren't re-classed. They can hang and don't cry over things they can't control.

Proceed with your crying.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just to put this in perspective.....would you think it's fair for a child in say 6th grade to wrestle some other kid 1 1\2 to 2 years older but through puberty already? They're in the same weight class. And with being a hold back now they're in the same grade. I'm pretty sure the answer is no. But this is exactly what is going on in youth lacrosse. And I know this is an 8th grade forum, it's just used as an example.

kids do wrestle kids that are 2 or 3 years older, happens all of the time. before the advent of the club spring leagues the rec leagues in our area were broken into 2 year windows, clinic, peewee, midg and juniors....somehow the boys survived having to play against kids a year older

Spot on

Spot OFF... Every other year you were with the older group. Not every year you play holdbacks get the advantage of being oldest . Come up with a better excuse. And wrestling?? You are within 10 lbs of whatever age the other wrestler is. Another lame holdback apologist excuse

wow, I knew you were serious with your comment because you capitalized the word off, I'm sorry you are smarter than the rest of of us that have on age kids and just tell our children to have fun and do the best they can and of course you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. I do remember my 9 year old son having to wrestle 11 and 12 year old kids because of his size, but I guess I am wrong.

No ringers, 2 out of state are long pole D and LPM, not super impact players and play less than half game so it's local guys. Team had turnover last year.

Sloppy play yesterday was all it was.. not bad team but not going to win a championship

Originally Posted by Anonymous

API has given up 25 goals in 2 games. They need to stop listening to criticism about playing zone if they want a chance to win. The goalies are not good enough.

Heard that 2 of the API coaches were arguing amongst each other on the sideline yesterday. Telling each other to shut up. NOT good for the players. Its time for them to move on from the old coach. He isn't the head coach anymore but is still on the sidelines running the team. What are his credentials?

They probably should have moved to AA like Next Level, Cannons and Club Blue. Gonna be a LOOOOOONG spring season.

You heard? What are his credentials ? Are you serious? So you were not at the game? You mean besides the fact they are one of the most winning 2022 teams in the country. They won a lot and won many championships. They won a lot of games last year and did very well at WSYL. Say what you want but he is also a dad just like almost every other head coach for this age group up until last year with the exception of the Crabs. He also took a step back with the hope it would help the team. They have new coaching, what else do you want to see happen? Sounds like you have a direct issue with him. If you are not part of the team than your post is very creepy and disturbing.

API won a lot of games and championships in 3-5 grades since middle school not so much. But hey you have that trophy from 3rd grade lacrosse, But enjoy this season going winless. ##number3teamintheworld

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Just to put this in perspective.....would you think it's fair for a child in say 6th grade to wrestle some other kid 1 1\2 to 2 years older but through puberty already? They're in the same weight class. And with being a hold back now they're in the same grade. I'm pretty sure the answer is no. But this is exactly what is going on in youth lacrosse. And I know this is an 8th grade forum, it's just used as an example.

kids do wrestle kids that are 2 or 3 years older, happens all of the time. before the advent of the club spring leagues the rec leagues in our area were broken into 2 year windows, clinic, peewee, midg and juniors....somehow the boys survived having to play against kids a year older

Spot on

Spot OFF... Every other year you were with the older group. Not every year you play holdbacks get the advantage of being oldest . Come up with a better excuse. And wrestling?? You are within 10 lbs of whatever age the other wrestler is. Another lame holdback apologist excuse

You should march and put an end to re-classed players.

You should stop making excuses and justifying letting select players play down in Youth lacrosse.

Nice try. My boys aren't re-classed. They can hang and don't cry over things they can't control.

Proceed with your crying.

Yea..we know they didnt reclass...They just did a prefirst. LOL..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just to put this in perspective.....would you think it's fair for a child in say 6th grade to wrestle some other kid 1 1\2 to 2 years older but through puberty already? They're in the same weight class. And with being a hold back now they're in the same grade. I'm pretty sure the answer is no. But this is exactly what is going on in youth lacrosse. And I know this is an 8th grade forum, it's just used as an example.

kids do wrestle kids that are 2 or 3 years older, happens all of the time. before the advent of the club spring leagues the rec leagues in our area were broken into 2 year windows, clinic, peewee, midg and juniors....somehow the boys survived having to play against kids a year older

Spot on

Spot OFF... Every other year you were with the older group. Not every year you play holdbacks get the advantage of being oldest . Come up with a better excuse. And wrestling?? You are within 10 lbs of whatever age the other wrestler is. Another lame holdback apologist excuse

wow, I knew you were serious with your comment because you capitalized the word off, I'm sorry you are smarter than the rest of of us that have on age kids and just tell our children to have fun and do the best they can and of course you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. I do remember my 9 year old son having to wrestle 11 and 12 year old kids because of his size, but I guess I am wrong.

As as usual. You apologists for letting select players play down cant defend your lame excuses. He had to wrestle older ..same weight children.. what is so hard for you to understand that isnt the same as playing older children without restrictions??. Got that?? ...

Ok now time for you to change to different tactic.. Here comes, Stop moaning.. your kid is full of excuses, hit the wall, it will make you better, etc, etc..

Exactly, just do that because it seems like you are only one on here complaining about it. Until you show me some birth certificates of kids on other teams that you perceive are 16 years old all you are doing is gossip.

My kid born 7/2003 is no danger or has no advantage over kid born
9/2003 to 12/2003 or even a few months more which is all I believe is happening in these leagues except for maybe a handfull.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just to put this in perspective.....would you think it's fair for a child in say 6th grade to wrestle some other kid 1 1\2 to 2 years older but through puberty already? They're in the same weight class. And with being a hold back now they're in the same grade. I'm pretty sure the answer is no. But this is exactly what is going on in youth lacrosse. And I know this is an 8th grade forum, it's just used as an example.

kids do wrestle kids that are 2 or 3 years older, happens all of the time. before the advent of the club spring leagues the rec leagues in our area were broken into 2 year windows, clinic, peewee, midg and juniors....somehow the boys survived having to play against kids a year older

Spot on

Spot OFF... Every other year you were with the older group. Not every year you play holdbacks get the advantage of being oldest . Come up with a better excuse. And wrestling?? You are within 10 lbs of whatever age the other wrestler is. Another lame holdback apologist excuse

wow, I knew you were serious with your comment because you capitalized the word off, I'm sorry you are smarter than the rest of of us that have on age kids and just tell our children to have fun and do the best they can and of course you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. I do remember my 9 year old son having to wrestle 11 and 12 year old kids because of his size, but I guess I am wrong.

As as usual. You apologists for letting select players play down cant defend your lame excuses. He had to wrestle older ..same weight children.. what is so hard for you to understand that isnt the same as playing older children without restrictions??. Got that?? ...

Ok now time for you to change to different tactic.. Here comes, Stop moaning.. your kid is full of excuses, hit the wall, it will make you better, etc, etc..

If you think a 12 or 13 year old 120 pounder wrestling a 9 year old 120 pounder doesn't have an advantage you are clueless and should never publicly comment about athletics again....is there a Fantasyland forum where you can type in capital letters and try to get your point across

If you let your 9 year old 120lb kid wrestle a 13yr old 120lb kid you should be reported to social services. Stop distorting what’s going on with holdbacks in youth lacrosse. It’s bad and getting worse. Only sport that allows this chaos in youth competition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you let your 9 year old 120lb kid wrestle a 13yr old 120lb kid you should be reported to social services. Stop distorting what’s going on with holdbacks in youth lacrosse. It’s bad and getting worse. Only sport that allows this chaos in youth competition.

Chaos? Lets just say that every team has 3 or 4 which is a very high number to start. On a roster that carries an average of 22-26 players. Do the Math. This hardly an epidemic and hardly chaos.
There is no arguing that parents who hold a kid back for any sport is ridiculous . No one can judge being held back for another reasons. Every parent has the right to due what they believe will benefit their child. Unless you know every holdback on every team and want to them out then your distorting quotes are simple bitterness.
We watched a game yesterday where it was easy to see a kid was physically more mature but was the worse player on the field. Same game the 2 smallest kids from each game were clearly the fastest and most skillful. Every team has them and some teams its no advantage at all. The advantage is so small because the numbers make it so. What is clear is the teams and players who clearly out practice and work everyone else to be successful as a team and a player.
As far as youth competition goes , there is 4 other divisions you can sign up for.

I'm not distorting anything, the comparison given was wrestliby amd. I was responding to that post. Report away, but at an early age my son learned that you lined up against someone in a different color uniform and competed from whistle to whistle. I think he adjusted, played two sports in high school and football in college and now teaches and coaches in high school. Thank you for your concern.

AMEN!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax result today?

10-9 win in double OT against DCE. Good hard game.

Wow. That is back-to-back wins for Madlax over DCE then.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Madlax result today?

10-9 win in double OT against DCE. Good hard game.

Wow. That is back-to-back wins for Madlax over DCE then.[/quot

Madlax is legit

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Madlax result today?

10-9 win in double OT against DCE. Good hard game.

Wow. That is back-to-back wins for Madlax over DCE then.[/quot

Madlax is legit

Madlax pick up new kids this year?

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

Exactly, just do that because it seems like you are only one on here complaining about it. Until you show me some birth certificates of kids on other teams that you perceive are 16 years old all you are doing is gossip.

My kid born 7/2003 is no danger or has no advantage over kid born
9/2003 to 12/2003 or even a few months more which is all I believe is happening in these leagues except for maybe a handfull.

So all the kids born May 20004 to Aug 2004 can play in the lesser leagues due to you and other heldback/prefirst children getting an advantage these right age non heldback/prefirst children dont get ?? So that seems fair at the Youth level to you. Why do you and select others get some advantage these other children cant get born on same exact day ??? You get the spot these on age kids would have probably got or maybe you would have had to compete with on age children and made it without an advantage.

Of course you dont mind your child always being one of the oldest, do you? Seems fair to you. Cant have your child being on the young side and competing against his proper age group. Thats only for the children who havent been heldback or did a prefirst. They can compete against their own age group , not your child.

Once again , this is youth lacrosse for all, Not private school youth lacrosse where only holdbacks and prefirsts get an advantage in youth lacrosse. Everyone knows that is the majority of older players come from. And spare me the stupid , I have some problem with private schools. I have one the went thru HS , one in the thick of it now and now my last one. All went/go MIAA school and play lacrosse.

Like that the teams change from year to year. Keeps people guessing.

If you’re in 8th grade and over age just play for your school team in the spring, most if not all private and public schools have teams, so you miss out on 6 HoCo games. In the fall and summer play up there are 4 divisions to play in, but my guess is that you won’t make an Elite team...

No it means parents are smart doing preK to let their children excel in academics instead of struggle. I did not choose my kids birthday but if he did not do prek then kids who turn 5 in mid septor october would then enter K the following year by stat law. So they are "with in the guide lines but now all the kids in his class our 7-8 months older.

Times are changing most parents want their children to have acedemic success thus prek is needed for most of these kids or to make sure if you havean early summer birthday you are not at disadvantage. People dont do it for sports at that age and that is what you are mostly dealing with. What you choose to do is your business but my child being 5 months older than your kid is hardly an advantage.

Double hold backs are far and few between and if they do it in 8th grade/repeat well again that is their chhoice but somrthing i would not do.

You speculate because again you have no clue the afge of most of these 22 man rosters in Elite division so why complain. I bet it is more than norm than when you were a kid. Parents are seeing the academic benefit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Madlax result today?

10-9 win in double OT against DCE. Good hard game.

Wow. That is back-to-back wins for Madlax over DCE then.[/quot

Madlax is legit

Madlax pick up new kids this year?

No, they didn't really pick up any new super impact players this spring. They actually lost one of their goalies and middies who were talented.

Kids are finally starting to grow and mature and there's been more consistency in the coaching of that team. The physical maturity differences are starting to even out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Madlax result today?

10-9 win in double OT against DCE. Good hard game.

Wow. That is back-to-back wins for Madlax over DCE then.[/quot

Madlax is legit

Madlax pick up new kids this year?

Maybe 1 or 2, but I think there are three bigger reasons why Madlax is doing well this Spring. First, they are a well coached team with very little turnover. They have had the same coach for three years now and the consistency is paying off. They are clicking as a team. Second, they have always been a younger/smaller, but skilled team. It is kind of like they have been "playing up" the last couple of years. Now that those younger kids are growing and the size gap is closing, they are reaping the rewards. Third, they are finally healthy. Last summer and even this Fall, they were missing several key players. Two of their top scorers broke their arms, and another kid dislocated his shoulder. I am not saying they will beat Hawks this Spring but I think it will be more competitive than in the past.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just to put this in perspective.....would you think it's fair for a child in say 6th grade to wrestle some other kid 1 1\2 to 2 years older but through puberty already? They're in the same weight class. And with being a hold back now they're in the same grade. I'm pretty sure the answer is no. But this is exactly what is going on in youth lacrosse. And I know this is an 8th grade forum, it's just used as an example.

Apparently you don’t have a son that wrestles at an “elite” level. Go to McDonogh Duals sometime. I’m sorry to say the same thing is happening in wrestling. Soccer might be the only one with player cards with birthdates.

Soccer is the only sport a player cards when the wind blows. Soccer and baseball sports where

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just to put this in perspective.....would you think it's fair for a child in say 6th grade to wrestle some other kid 1 1\2 to 2 years older but through puberty already? They're in the same weight class. And with being a hold back now they're in the same grade. I'm pretty sure the answer is no. But this is exactly what is going on in youth lacrosse. And I know this is an 8th grade forum, it's just used as an example.

Apparently you don’t have a son that wrestles at an “elite” level. Go to McDonogh Duals sometime. I’m sorry to say the same thing is happening in wrestling. Soccer might be the only one with player cards with birthdates.

Your perspective means crap - please stop posting on this forum about something you think might be relevant. Have you ever been to a wrestling tournament? Also, there is an entire forum for those that want to voice their prospective about holdbacks and all that is wrong with youth lacrosse.
This forum is for those who actually like and enjoy watching their kids play against anyone that is in front of them. Win or lose. The day that holdback parents and the parents that cry foul after agreeing to pay and play with holdbacks learn that WINNING is just part of the game. Better start teaching your kids how to lose. Lacrosse teaches much more. It is a real shame that the parents can't let go for just a second to let their kid learn how to win and lose.

Well said. Whiners should all go check out the soccer forum behind the net

There is plenty or tournaments that you can take your son too. Goto liwrestling.org & under the calendar tab you can check out tournaments by state. This is a perfect forum for your kid to start getting experience. You kid might be under sized today. He will have his day too.

It’s a good learning lesson “Life Is Not Fair”...

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

No it means parents are smart doing preK to let their children excel in academics instead of struggle. I did not choose my kids birthday but if he did not do prek then kids who turn 5 in mid septor october would then enter K the following year by stat law. So they are "with in the guide lines but now all the kids in his class our 7-8 months older.

Times are changing most parents want their children to have acedemic success thus prek is needed for most of these kids or to make sure if you havean early summer birthday you are not at disadvantage. People dont do it for sports at that age and that is what you are mostly dealing with. What you choose to do is your business but my child being 5 months older than your kid is hardly an advantage.

Double hold backs are far and few between and if they do it in 8th grade/repeat well again that is their chhoice but somrthing i would not do.

You speculate because again you have no clue the afge of most of these 22 man rosters in Elite division so why complain. I bet it is more than norm than when you were a kid. Parents are seeing the academic benefit.

Once again....What you do with your child is your business. Especially when it relates to his education. ....Now Once again, holding your child back in school has nothing to do with YOUTH lacrosse. So keep mentioning how smart you are to do a prefirst in school is irrelevant to playing down or getting a special advantage in Youth lacrosse others dont get. Not sure why you think your educational School choices should effect youth lacrosse at large ?

Your child is not 5 months older than some players. He is only 5 months older than the oldest on age players. He is anywhere between 3 months to 15 months older than on age players. And will always be among the oldest no matter what. I still dont understand how you think your child should get a special privilege to be older while others dont ?? Why are you and your child special?? Because you held him back?? Makes no sense in Youth sports.

A better solution than letting select players play down now would be to just put the age restrictions to ALL PLAYERS May 1 or June 1 or something like that date and forget grades. This would accommodate the majority of prefirsts/holdbacks. Then let everyone no matter what grade to decide if they want to play at that age or play the next year up. It would do away with letting select players like your child get an advantage others dont get at youth lacrosse. Or do you think that would be unfair to the vast majority of players born on age Sept 1- Aug31 ??

I see you are the only one champion this on here. I believe the majority of kids playing are closer to my kids age by 6 months. There may be a few outliers but thats it and everyone seems to be on board. I have not broken any rules, when my son was in REC he played in the 7/8,9/10 and 11/12 age group that he was slated for and now in Club he is playing with his peers in his grade. Nothing has changed for my son in his entire lacrosse life. He has played every other year against older kids in rec and never complained because those were the rules. Now when he joined Club they say he plays in his graduation year as per the rules. We and 1000's of other parents are just following the rules.

It seems to be all in your mind, and blaming parents because you again perceive that there is magically some advantage is not gettin you anywhere. Kids grow size wise at all different times in life and all mature at different levels as well. You can have a big kid who is not mentally tough yet or a pint size kid that will run over that big kid. Again the parents didn't make up these rules, we have been following them through rec and club as they are written

Quit be angry at the parents, and I'm starting to agree with other posters, you must make excuses for your child instead of just letting him play and have fun at a level that fits his skill level.

If Hawks wants to field 15 year olds then so be it, let them win the HOCO league, my child know winning is not everything. Growing in your skill level, learning to compete at a high level always means playing the bigger better teams. He wants to play for high school, maybe college so he is making himself better. Getting beat by a better old team stinks but he learns and moves on does not go home and cry about it.

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

I see you are the only one champion this on here. I believe the majority of kids playing are closer to my kids age by 6 months. There may be a few outliers but thats it and everyone seems to be on board. I have not broken any rules, when my son was in REC he played in the 7/8,9/10 and 11/12 age group that he was slated for and now in Club he is playing with his peers in his grade. Nothing has changed for my son in his entire lacrosse life. He has played every other year against older kids in rec and never complained because those were the rules. Now when he joined Club they say he plays in his graduation year as per the rules. We and 1000's of other parents are just following the rules.

It seems to be all in your mind, and blaming parents because you again perceive that there is magically some advantage is not gettin you anywhere. Kids grow size wise at all different times in life and all mature at different levels as well. You can have a big kid who is not mentally tough yet or a pint size kid that will run over that big kid. Again the parents didn't make up these rules, we have been following them through rec and club as they are written

Quit be angry at the parents, and I'm starting to agree with other posters, you must make excuses for your child instead of just letting him play and have fun at a level that fits his skill level.

If Hawks wants to field 15 year olds then so be it, let them win the HOCO league, my child know winning is not everything. Growing in your skill level, learning to compete at a high level always means playing the bigger better teams. He wants to play for high school, maybe college so he is making himself better. Getting beat by a better old team stinks but he learns and moves on does not go home and cry about it.

This makes way too much sense. The essence of all of this is simply "letting go" and accepting the fact that Hawks/Crabs/DC Express/FCA/Koopers-Dukes have a greater probability of winning a lacrosse league that nobody will care about or recall when it comes to applying for college and finding a great fit academically and athleticially ... if your kid is even inclined to continue playing sports past high school. I have know lots of kids that have dropped out of athletics in college entirely because they found a better life direction for themselves. And that is one of the main purposes of getting out of the house, making decisions on their own, and exposing themselves to a world much greater and expansive than the comparatively narrow one they experience in our respective households. If your kid wants to play, there is a college out there that wants them to enroll and participate. NONE OF THEM are asking -- did you win the HOCO league????

I too have had two sons play through the U7/9/11/13 experiences and they were just fine. One has experienced that and also now grade based. He has generally played on teams where he understood that there was no chance of winning a title, but that did not stop his team from trying to win a quarter, a half, a game or compete, compete, compete. I love watching the "big boys" play, and particularly enjoy when my kid goes toe to toe with them. It's just fun, and that's what we talk about in the car ride home after stopping by the nearest Dunkin Donuts! Those "big boys" have prepared my son well for high school and he is looking forward to playing against many of them in the MIAA. What I mostly shake my head about is the constant undertow of parents living lives through their kids and trying to steer them to the "perfect solution". There is no such thing as perfect. Keep going "big boys" and good luck in high school to all the great 8th grade lax players that we will watch this year -- even on teams that may be short on wins.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

I see you are the only one champion this on here. I believe the majority of kids playing are closer to my kids age by 6 months. There may be a few outliers but thats it and everyone seems to be on board. I have not broken any rules, when my son was in REC he played in the 7/8,9/10 and 11/12 age group that he was slated for and now in Club he is playing with his peers in his grade. Nothing has changed for my son in his entire lacrosse life. He has played every other year against older kids in rec and never complained because those were the rules. Now when he joined Club they say he plays in his graduation year as per the rules. We and 1000's of other parents are just following the rules.

It seems to be all in your mind, and blaming parents because you again perceive that there is magically some advantage is not gettin you anywhere. Kids grow size wise at all different times in life and all mature at different levels as well. You can have a big kid who is not mentally tough yet or a pint size kid that will run over that big kid. Again the parents didn't make up these rules, we have been following them through rec and club as they are written

Quit be angry at the parents, and I'm starting to agree with other posters, you must make excuses for your child instead of just letting him play and have fun at a level that fits his skill level.

If Hawks wants to field 15 year olds then so be it, let them win the HOCO league, my child know winning is not everything. Growing in your skill level, learning to compete at a high level always means playing the bigger better teams. He wants to play for high school, maybe college so he is making himself better. Getting beat by a better old team stinks but he learns and moves on does not go home and cry about it.

This makes way too much sense. The essence of all of this is simply "letting go" and accepting the fact that Hawks/Crabs/DC Express/FCA/Koopers-Dukes have a greater probability of winning a lacrosse league that nobody will care about or recall when it comes to applying for college and finding a great fit academically and athleticially ... if your kid is even inclined to continue playing sports past high school. I have know lots of kids that have dropped out of athletics in college entirely because they found a better life direction for themselves. And that is one of the main purposes of getting out of the house, making decisions on their own, and exposing themselves to a world much greater and expansive than the comparatively narrow one they experience in our respective households. If your kid wants to play, there is a college out there that wants them to enroll and participate. NONE OF THEM are asking -- did you win the HOCO league????

I too have had two sons play through the U7/9/11/13 experiences and they were just fine. One has experienced that and also now grade based. He has generally played on teams where he understood that there was no chance of winning a title, but that did not stop his team from trying to win a quarter, a half, a game or compete, compete, compete. I love watching the "big boys" play, and particularly enjoy when my kid goes toe to toe with them. It's just fun, and that's what we talk about in the car ride home after stopping by the nearest Dunkin Donuts! Those "big boys" have prepared my son well for high school and he is looking forward to playing against many of them in the MIAA. What I mostly shake my head about is the constant undertow of parents living lives through their kids and trying to steer them to the "perfect solution". There is no such thing as perfect. Keep going "big boys" and good luck in high school to all the great 8th grade lax players that we will watch this year -- even on teams that may be short on wins.

No , it only makes sense to people who play the holdback game. To the vast majority..It makes NO sense

Could not agree more, let go. This is your kids best years so enjoy watching. Go to a club where he can play alot and be comfortable.

I believe you are in the minority, to the vast majority they understand that these are the rules and nothing is changing. They know in reality that only handful of kids might be 15 now but don't worry about it and realize this can only help push their children to elevate their game. Most parents don't let it become an excuse for their kids but explain how it should be a motivator.

My daughter loves Basketball and now plays in a league with kids 1 or 2 years older. She struggles but tries her best and she is learning that things that work with kids her own age and level don't work on the next level. This teaches her what it will take to play for her high school in a few years. I encourage and teach but if she ever comes and says it's too much then we re evaluate.

People have a choice, they don't have to play at top levels of they or their child can't handle it. If they bloom late then he will get noticed in high school

Any kid 15 years old already in the 8th grade should be embarrassed, not pounding their chest.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any kid 15 years old already in the 8th grade should be embarrassed, not pounding their chest.

You know kids read these posts. You are going to crush little johnny when he reads this post.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any kid 15 years old already in the 8th grade should be embarrassed, not pounding their chest.

You know kids read these posts. You are going to crush little johnny when he reads this post.

All the younger 13 year olds need to toughen up and stop being snowflakes but little Johnny can’t handle that comment. He’ll be draft age and voting in 2 plus years.

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

I see you are the only one champion this on here. I believe the majority of kids playing are closer to my kids age by 6 months. There may be a few outliers but thats it and everyone seems to be on board. I have not broken any rules, when my son was in REC he played in the 7/8,9/10 and 11/12 age group that he was slated for and now in Club he is playing with his peers in his grade. Nothing has changed for my son in his entire lacrosse life. He has played every other year against older kids in rec and never complained because those were the rules. Now when he joined Club they say he plays in his graduation year as per the rules. We and 1000's of other parents are just following the rules.

It seems to be all in your mind, and blaming parents because you again perceive that there is magically some advantage is not gettin you anywhere. Kids grow size wise at all different times in life and all mature at different levels as well. You can have a big kid who is not mentally tough yet or a pint size kid that will run over that big kid. Again the parents didn't make up these rules, we have been following them through rec and club as they are written

Quit be angry at the parents, and I'm starting to agree with other posters, you must make excuses for your child instead of just letting him play and have fun at a level that fits his skill level.

If Hawks wants to field 15 year olds then so be it, let them win the HOCO league, my child know winning is not everything. Growing in your skill level, learning to compete at a high level always means playing the bigger better teams. He wants to play for high school, maybe college so he is making himself better. Getting beat by a better old team stinks but he learns and moves on does not go home and cry about it.

You change your position constantly. You cant defend a simple statement.. Is it fair that you get an advantage others dont at YOUTH sports.

Now from you we have, my son played already at a 2 year spread, ....stop blaming parents?? who said that ? You. Quit being angry?? Who said that?? YOU..My child loses and doesnt go home and cry?? Who said that?? You..

You make up stuff , create strawman and change goalposts constantly. Its really simple.. You get an advantage others dont at Youth sports.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

I see you are the only one champion this on here. I believe the majority of kids playing are closer to my kids age by 6 months. There may be a few outliers but thats it and everyone seems to be on board. I have not broken any rules, when my son was in REC he played in the 7/8,9/10 and 11/12 age group that he was slated for and now in Club he is playing with his peers in his grade. Nothing has changed for my son in his entire lacrosse life. He has played every other year against older kids in rec and never complained because those were the rules. Now when he joined Club they say he plays in his graduation year as per the rules. We and 1000's of other parents are just following the rules.

It seems to be all in your mind, and blaming parents because you again perceive that there is magically some advantage is not gettin you anywhere. Kids grow size wise at all different times in life and all mature at different levels as well. You can have a big kid who is not mentally tough yet or a pint size kid that will run over that big kid. Again the parents didn't make up these rules, we have been following them through rec and club as they are written

Quit be angry at the parents, and I'm starting to agree with other posters, you must make excuses for your child instead of just letting him play and have fun at a level that fits his skill level.

If Hawks wants to field 15 year olds then so be it, let them win the HOCO league, my child know winning is not everything. Growing in your skill level, learning to compete at a high level always means playing the bigger better teams. He wants to play for high school, maybe college so he is making himself better. Getting beat by a better old team stinks but he learns and moves on does not go home and cry about it.

This makes way too much sense. The essence of all of this is simply "letting go" and accepting the fact that Hawks/Crabs/DC Express/FCA/Koopers-Dukes have a greater probability of winning a lacrosse league that nobody will care about or recall when it comes to applying for college and finding a great fit academically and athleticially ... if your kid is even inclined to continue playing sports past high school. I have know lots of kids that have dropped out of athletics in college entirely because they found a better life direction for themselves. And that is one of the main purposes of getting out of the house, making decisions on their own, and exposing themselves to a world much greater and expansive than the comparatively narrow one they experience in our respective households. If your kid wants to play, there is a college out there that wants them to enroll and participate. NONE OF THEM are asking -- did you win the HOCO league????

I too have had two sons play through the U7/9/11/13 experiences and they were just fine. One has experienced that and also now grade based. He has generally played on teams where he understood that there was no chance of winning a title, but that did not stop his team from trying to win a quarter, a half, a game or compete, compete, compete. I love watching the "big boys" play, and particularly enjoy when my kid goes toe to toe with them. It's just fun, and that's what we talk about in the car ride home after stopping by the nearest Dunkin Donuts! Those "big boys" have prepared my son well for high school and he is looking forward to playing against many of them in the MIAA. What I mostly shake my head about is the constant undertow of parents living lives through their kids and trying to steer them to the "perfect solution". There is no such thing as perfect. Keep going "big boys" and good luck in high school to all the great 8th grade lax players that we will watch this year -- even on teams that may be short on wins.

If this is the case,, why the need to for grade base to accommodate a supposed few holdbacks?? Why create a system in youth sports for a select few to get an advantage. You make a strong case to have a simple age based league

After 2 weeks it's

Hawks
Madlax
Koopers
DCE
Crabs
RR
FCA
API

Don't see many or any other people coming on here to support your side. You have allowed this to consume you.

You ask, " why do you think your child should get special privilege"
" why is your kid special" " it does not give you special rights". These are all your quotes. I never asked for special privilege. Majority parents did pre k for academic, not knowing what would take place on whatever sport their kid might play in the years to come or what does would be in place in 10 years. I have never complained about age in rec when I thought it was odd that every other year he played against his 8- 15 months older because plenty did pre k. I just going by the league and the rules. Now you could make an argument if they repeat 7th or 8th grade to gain advantage. That is parents choice so maybe high school should say you lose eligibility if you are 19 in senior year which some do.

Like Majority of adults understand, kids develope physically and mentally at different ages. Kids 7months older but not through puberty, kids 7 months younger but have the mental toughness already are spread throughout this sport. You sound like my son did when he was just 7 and started playing and thought he could not compete because that kid is 8 months older and a grade ahead. I sat him down and explained how life works, I kept saying it's only a number and it's how you train and what's in your heart.

Keep making excuses and assuming all the kids are 15 months older,
Like I and others have said you have choices. You can find appropriate skill level for your kid but you would rather come on here and complain. Ok I have given you enough voice, I am guilty of letting you survive on here. I send others should not respond and you , I will say it again, should go talk to governing bodies and sign up to try to make a difference if you feel so passionate.

Looking forward to this week's battles in 2022 Elite division. Hope to see some upsets.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After 2 weeks it's

Hawks
Madlax
Koopers
DCE
Crabs
RR
FCA
API

Hawks
Madlax
Koopers
DCE
Crabs
RR
91
FCA
API

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After 2 weeks it's

Hawks
Madlax
Koopers
DCE
Crabs
RR
FCA
API

91 is not even noteworthy?

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

Don't see many or any other people coming on here to support your side. You have allowed this to consume you.

You ask, " why do you think your child should get special privilege"
" why is your kid special" " it does not give you special rights". These are all your quotes. I never asked for special privilege. Majority parents did pre k for academic, not knowing what would take place on whatever sport their kid might play in the years to come or what does would be in place in 10 years. I have never complained about age in rec when I thought it was odd that every other year he played against his 8- 15 months older because plenty did pre k. I just going by the league and the rules. Now you could make an argument if they repeat 7th or 8th grade to gain advantage. That is parents choice so maybe high school should say you lose eligibility if you are 19 in senior year which some do.

Like Majority of adults understand, kids develope physically and mentally at different ages. Kids 7months older but not through puberty, kids 7 months younger but have the mental toughness already are spread throughout this sport. You sound like my son did when he was just 7 and started playing and thought he could not compete because that kid is 8 months older and a grade ahead. I sat him down and explained how life works, I kept saying it's only a number and it's how you train and what's in your heart.

Keep making excuses and assuming all the kids are 15 months older,
Like I and others have said you have choices. You can find appropriate skill level for your kid but you would rather come on here and complain. Ok I have given you enough voice, I am guilty of letting you survive on here. I send others should not respond and you , I will say it again, should go talk to governing bodies and sign up to try to make a difference if you feel so passionate.

Looking forward to this week's battles in 2022 Elite division. Hope to see some upsets.

The only teams that will be upset this week will be the team of parent/coaches constantly crying about holdbacks on this forum.

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

I see you are the only one champion this on here. I believe the majority of kids playing are closer to my kids age by 6 months. There may be a few outliers but thats it and everyone seems to be on board. I have not broken any rules, when my son was in REC he played in the 7/8,9/10 and 11/12 age group that he was slated for and now in Club he is playing with his peers in his grade. Nothing has changed for my son in his entire lacrosse life. He has played every other year against older kids in rec and never complained because those were the rules. Now when he joined Club they say he plays in his graduation year as per the rules. We and 1000's of other parents are just following the rules.

It seems to be all in your mind, and blaming parents because you again perceive that there is magically some advantage is not gettin you anywhere. Kids grow size wise at all different times in life and all mature at different levels as well. You can have a big kid who is not mentally tough yet or a pint size kid that will run over that big kid. Again the parents didn't make up these rules, we have been following them through rec and club as they are written

Quit be angry at the parents, and I'm starting to agree with other posters, you must make excuses for your child instead of just letting him play and have fun at a level that fits his skill level.

If Hawks wants to field 15 year olds then so be it, let them win the HOCO league, my child know winning is not everything. Growing in your skill level, learning to compete at a high level always means playing the bigger better teams. He wants to play for high school, maybe college so he is making himself better. Getting beat by a better old team stinks but he learns and moves on does not go home and cry about it.

If you think he's the only one disgusted by holdbacks and your stupid excuses you haven't been paying attention

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

Don't see many or any other people coming on here to support your side. You have allowed this to consume you.

You ask, " why do you think your child should get special privilege"
" why is your kid special" " it does not give you special rights". These are all your quotes. I never asked for special privilege. Majority parents did pre k for academic, not knowing what would take place on whatever sport their kid might play in the years to come or what does would be in place in 10 years. I have never complained about age in rec when I thought it was odd that every other year he played against his 8- 15 months older because plenty did pre k. I just going by the league and the rules. Now you could make an argument if they repeat 7th or 8th grade to gain advantage. That is parents choice so maybe high school should say you lose eligibility if you are 19 in senior year which some do.

Like Majority of adults understand, kids develope physically and mentally at different ages. Kids 7months older but not through puberty, kids 7 months younger but have the mental toughness already are spread throughout this sport. You sound like my son did when he was just 7 and started playing and thought he could not compete because that kid is 8 months older and a grade ahead. I sat him down and explained how life works, I kept saying it's only a number and it's how you train and what's in your heart.

Keep making excuses and assuming all the kids are 15 months older,
Like I and others have said you have choices. You can find appropriate skill level for your kid but you would rather come on here and complain. Ok I have given you enough voice, I am guilty of letting you survive on here. I send others should not respond and you , I will say it again, should go talk to governing bodies and sign up to try to make a difference if you feel so passionate.

Looking forward to this week's battles in 2022 Elite division. Hope to see some upsets.

He's hardly alone, it's just that he's been destroying you so we haven't felt the need to jump in.

Look at the top teams in the elite division with dads that coach most have kids of their own that are holdbacks. They know the game better then most and how to cheat the system.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look at the top teams in the elite division with dads that coach most have kids of their own that are holdbacks. They know the game better then most and how to cheat the system.

Which teams have Dad coaches that have hold-back players this year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After 2 weeks it's

Hawks
Madlax
Koopers
DCE
Crabs
RR
FCA
API

You left out 91MD. Where does the best attack in the region belong?

looks like Hawks is clear leader, looking forward to trying to knock them off
Madlax - there is a team that size wise looks like they could not compete but they dont let that bother them - they are legit.
Koopers- who knows sbut should be good with blended talent from Dukes
DCE CRABS RR all tough and looking to separate from middle to the top in the next few weeks
FCA- always slow starters- wait until summer tournaments
API ??

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

looks like Hawks is clear leader, looking forward to trying to knock them off
Madlax - there is a team that size wise looks like they could not compete but they dont let that bother them - they are legit.
Koopers- who knows sbut should be good with blended talent from Dukes
DCE CRABS RR all tough and looking to separate from middle to the top in the next few weeks
FCA- always slow starters- wait until summer tournaments
API ??

API should have been put in the AA league. They are the red headed step child of the elite group now.

That's what it seems to be.. I think FCA might be next. Funny they have talent but do not practice enough to compete in the spring and might carry over to summer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

looks like Hawks is clear leader, looking forward to trying to knock them off
Madlax - there is a team that size wise looks like they could not compete but they dont let that bother them - they are legit.
Koopers- who knows sbut should be good with blended talent from Dukes
DCE CRABS RR all tough and looking to separate from middle to the top in the next few weeks
FCA- always slow starters- wait until summer tournaments
API ??

API should have been put in the AA league. They are the red headed step child of the elite group now.

Agree

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

looks like Hawks is clear leader, looking forward to trying to knock them off
Madlax - there is a team that size wise looks like they could not compete but they dont let that bother them - they are legit.
Koopers- who knows sbut should be good with blended talent from Dukes
DCE CRABS RR all tough and looking to separate from middle to the top in the next few weeks
FCA- always slow starters- wait until summer tournaments
API ??

True Hawks is the clear leader but lets not forget they are also the clear leader in holdbacks. They, and their supporters will deny this but all that know this team and the elite division know the truth. All teams in tis division have some holdbacks but not to the extent that this Hawks team has. The entire program has now made this their business model, following the long ago model of Crabs. I'm not complaining and no one else should be either, it is what it is and they are within the guidelines, a grade based league. But having a loaded roster with holdbacks gives a team a clear advantage. They are not unbeatable but to do so another team will have to play their best game of the season.

What happened to MD91

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

looks like Hawks is clear leader, looking forward to trying to knock them off
Madlax - there is a team that size wise looks like they could not compete but they dont let that bother them - they are legit.
Koopers- who knows sbut should be good with blended talent from Dukes
DCE CRABS RR all tough and looking to separate from middle to the top in the next few weeks
FCA- always slow starters- wait until summer tournaments
API ??

True Hawks is the clear leader but lets not forget they are also the clear leader in holdbacks. They, and their supporters will deny this but all that know this team and the elite division know the truth. All teams in tis division have some holdbacks but not to the extent that this Hawks team has. The entire program has now made this their business model, following the long ago model of Crabs. I'm not complaining and no one else should be either, it is what it is and they are within the guidelines, a grade based league. But having a loaded roster with holdbacks gives a team a clear advantage. They are not unbeatable but to do so another team will have to play their best game of the season.

That is one of the biggest issues with holdbacks/prefirsts. There are only so many of them. And if you can get a team full of them. You will have an advantage other teams wont. Age has to many in each month to stack a team of older on age players as there are so many of them.

Youth was made for age restrictions...Not grade...Common sense tells you that

I hear team 91 best attack is going to be held back.

Everyone new API should of drop down to AA. They just lost to many good players and didn’t replace them with equal or better players it’s shows . This is not as good as last years team

Grade based youth lacrosse is a sham. The number of reclassed kids on the Crabs, Looneys and Hawks is embarrassing.

I saw Madlax this past week, they all look like baby faced 12 year olds on 2022 but they dont care. They played toe to toe with Crabs andWon and beat DC express. Talent and good coaching is what rises to the top as well as good team chemistry if you can keep a strong core together for years. Enough of this holdback talk lets enjoy. This is what you get with Club lacrosse and we are all a slave to it so lets enjoy seeing them play. I heard people say Crabs and FCA have lots of holdbacks yet FCA is 0-2 and has scored 6 goals total. Crabs is 1-1 and while a good team not dominate. Hawks does seem to be the clear dominate team and holdbacks or not they have talent. I hope one of the other teams in the league can beat them but in the end who cares who wins HOCO league or some tournament. Lets enjoy our kids time while they still enjoy having us come to games and cart them around to practices. We will all wake up soon and have no kids to carpool around to the lacrosse fields...once that happens then we can commiserate about missing it.

Just remember DC Express had several good looks to win that game against Madlax in regulation and OT--great game that could have gone either way....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just remember DC Express had several good looks to win that game against Madlax in regulation and OT--great game that could have gone either way....

OK. We'll remember it...Now what?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

looks like Hawks is clear leader, looking forward to trying to knock them off
Madlax - there is a team that size wise looks like they could not compete but they dont let that bother them - they are legit.
Koopers- who knows sbut should be good with blended talent from Dukes
DCE CRABS RR all tough and looking to separate from middle to the top in the next few weeks
FCA- always slow starters- wait until summer tournaments
API ??

True Hawks is the clear leader but lets not forget they are also the clear leader in holdbacks. They, and their supporters will deny this but all that know this team and the elite division know the truth. All teams in tis division have some holdbacks but not to the extent that this Hawks team has. The entire program has now made this their business model, following the long ago model of Crabs. I'm not complaining and no one else should be either, it is what it is and they are within the guidelines, a grade based league. But having a loaded roster with holdbacks gives a team a clear advantage. They are not unbeatable but to do so another team will have to play their best game of the season.

Totally agree that the Hawks are the clear front runner and best all around team. But almost all of their team are holdbacks. DCE, Crabs & FCA have holdbacks but nowhere near what Hawks has. It's legal though - so enjoy!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Everyone new API should of drop down to AA. They just lost to many good players and didn’t replace them with equal or better players it’s shows . This is not as good as last years team

Not an API parent, but why wouldn't a team wish to play against the very best competition that they can schedule? Kids/coaches learn a lot even if they don't win many games. First two games this team played in HOCO was against DC Express and Hawks -- the focus of Mr. Holdback on this site. I think it is great to prepare for and play against these types of teams and will allow the team members to prepare themselves for a time when they compete against each other in high school, and where the "talent" will be more evenly dispersed among the regional schools. HOCO won't matter any more, except in the minds of parents living vicariously through their kids and middle school team memories.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Everyone new API should of drop down to AA. They just lost to many good players and didn’t replace them with equal or better players it’s shows . This is not as good as last years team

Not an API parent, but why wouldn't a team wish to play against the very best competition that they can schedule? Kids/coaches learn a lot even if they don't win many games. First two games this team played in HOCO was against DC Express and Hawks -- the focus of Mr. Holdback on this site. I think it is great to prepare for and play against these types of teams and will allow the team members to prepare themselves for a time when they compete against each other in high school, and where the "talent" will be more evenly dispersed among the regional schools. HOCO won't matter any more, except in the minds of parents living vicariously through their kids and middle school team memories.

Why would the very best teams want to play a team that is not of the same caliber? It does nothing for any of these elite teams to beat up on API. The only thing that does is give guys on this forum the ability to put 18-6 or 12-2 on these posts. I mean... in 2 games the Hawks have beaten API by a combined score of 30-8 - I don't see how that is good for anyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Everyone new API should of drop down to AA. They just lost to many good players and didn’t replace them with equal or better players it’s shows . This is not as good as last years team

Not an API parent, but why wouldn't a team wish to play against the very best competition that they can schedule? Kids/coaches learn a lot even if they don't win many games. First two games this team played in HOCO was against DC Express and Hawks -- the focus of Mr. Holdback on this site. I think it is great to prepare for and play against these types of teams and will allow the team members to prepare themselves for a time when they compete against each other in high school, and where the "talent" will be more evenly dispersed among the regional schools. HOCO won't matter any more, except in the minds of parents living vicariously through their kids and middle school team memories.

Why would the very best teams want to play a team that is not of the same caliber? It does nothing for any of these elite teams to beat up on API. The only thing that does is give guys on this forum the ability to put 18-6 or 12-2 on these posts. I mean... in 2 games the Hawks have beaten API by a combined score of 30-8 - I don't see how that is good for anyone.

Hawks has played 2 games and has outscored their opponents 28-5. Maybe they need their own division

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

Don't see many or any other people coming on here to support your side. You have allowed this to consume you.
You ask, " why do you think your child should get special privilege"
" why is your kid special" " it does not give you special rights". These are all your quotes. I never asked for special privilege. Majority parents did pre k for academic, not knowing what would take place on whatever sport their kid might play in the years to come or what does would be in place in 10 years. I have never complained about age in rec when I thought it was odd that every other year he played against his 8- 15 months older because plenty did pre k. I just going by the league and the rules. Now you could make an argument if they repeat 7th or 8th grade to gain advantage. That is parents choice so maybe high school should say you lose eligibility if you are 19 in senior year which some do.

Like Majority of adults understand, kids develope physically and mentally at different ages. Kids 7months older but not through puberty, kids 7 months younger but have the mental toughness already are spread throughout this sport. You sound like my son did when he was just 7 and started playing and thought he could not compete because that kid is 8 months older and a grade ahead. I sat him down and explained how life works, I kept saying it's only a number and it's how you train and what's in your heart.

Keep making excuses and assuming all the kids are 15 months older,
Like I and others have said you have choices. You can find appropriate skill level for your kid but you would rather come on here and complain. Ok I have given you enough voice, I am guilty of letting you survive on here. I send others should not respond and you , I will say it again, should go talk to governing bodies and sign up to try to make a difference if you feel so passionate.

Looking forward to this week's battles in 2022 Elite division. Hope to see some upsets.

You must be a politician . You make up a constant stream of garbage when a simple question was put to you. Is it right that your child get special rights to play down while others dont in Youth sports. Common sense tells you all kids should get the same opportunity as your child. Yet you once again go off on..my son did 2 year rec and I didnt complain, He did prefirst, etc .. Just answer a simple question...Do you think it is right that your child gets an advantage others dont in youth sports and is that in the spirit of youth sports. You wont answer this simple Yes or No answer due to knowing the answer .."" of course my child shouldnt get an advantage in youth sports others dont.""

Now you are justifying it by how you train and whats in their heart! LOL.. That one I havent heard before.

Excuses?? Who said that..Only You . Frankly the biggest excuse maker on here is you. You make up excuse after excuse for a system that is wrong at the youth level.

I did let the Howard County Recreation Department HOCO know how wrong grade base is in youth sports,told him the governing body of youth lacrosse USL recommends grade base at youth, But unfortunately the person running it at that time had a vested interest in a private school holdback child. Wonder why HOCO went youth grade base lacrosse when every other youth sport run by Howard County is based on age. Keep making up excuses and telling me how consumed I am , etc. Like I told you before. You might not want to quit your day job and go into the fortune telling business.

They do have their own division. Its called 2021.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They do have their own division. Its called 2021.

Too many holdbacks on 2021

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

Don't see many or any other people coming on here to support your side. You have allowed this to consume you.

You ask, " why do you think your child should get special privilege"
" why is your kid special" " it does not give you special rights". These are all your quotes. I never asked for special privilege. Majority parents did pre k for academic, not knowing what would take place on whatever sport their kid might play in the years to come or what does would be in place in 10 years. I have never complained about age in rec when I thought it was odd that every other year he played against his 8- 15 months older because plenty did pre k. I just going by the league and the rules. Now you could make an argument if they repeat 7th or 8th grade to gain advantage. That is parents choice so maybe high school should say you lose eligibility if you are 19 in senior year which some do.

Like Majority of adults understand, kids develope physically and mentally at different ages. Kids 7months older but not through puberty, kids 7 months younger but have the mental toughness already are spread throughout this sport. You sound like my son did when he was just 7 and started playing and thought he could not compete because that kid is 8 months older and a grade ahead. I sat him down and explained how life works, I kept saying it's only a number and it's how you train and what's in your heart.

Keep making excuses and assuming all the kids are 15 months older,
Like I and others have said you have choices. You can find appropriate skill level for your kid but you would rather come on here and complain. Ok I have given you enough voice, I am guilty of letting you survive on here. I send others should not respond and you , I will say it again, should go talk to governing bodies and sign up to try to make a difference if you feel so passionate.

Looking forward to this week's battles in 2022 Elite division. Hope to see some upsets.

I will be upset if my holdback fails his drivers test this week.

If any of the leagues or team had any balls they would post the rosters with the birth dates of the players. It is not against the rules to use a player of any age in a grade based league. Even if your little Johnny was 16 but was going to graduate in 2022 he is able to play.

Big weekend for 2022's. Predictions
Friday:
91MD - 8 FCA - 3
RR - 5 Hawks - 12
Koopers - 12 API - 4

Saturday:
DC Express - 7 Crabs - 9
API - 6 FCA - 4
Koopers - 10 RR - 5
Hawks - 13 91MD - 5

darn!!!!!

Stepped away for a few days and you guys are still crying?

Nothing else to talk about I guess.

Carry on.

No Excuses

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

looks like Hawks is clear leader, looking forward to trying to knock them off
Madlax - there is a team that size wise looks like they could not compete but they dont let that bother them - they are legit.
Koopers- who knows sbut should be good with blended talent from Dukes
DCE CRABS RR all tough and looking to separate from middle to the top in the next few weeks
FCA- always slow starters- wait until summer tournaments
API ??

True Hawks is the clear leader but lets not forget they are also the clear leader in holdbacks. They, and their supporters will deny this but all that know this team and the elite division know the truth. All teams in tis division have some holdbacks but not to the extent that this Hawks team has. The entire program has now made this their business model, following the long ago model of Crabs. I'm not complaining and no one else should be either, it is what it is and they are within the guidelines, a grade based league. But having a loaded roster with holdbacks gives a team a clear advantage. They are not unbeatable but to do so another team will have to play their best game of the season.

Completely unaware that people know so much about all the teams and which team has the most hold backs. Maybe those with all this knowledge can enlighten the rest of us on just how many hold backs each 2022 elite team has and the positions? No names, no numbers. And, are there any 7th graders (2023) that play up and for what team and position?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

darn!!!!!

Stepped away for a few days and you guys are still crying?

Nothing else to talk about I guess.

Carry on.

No Excuses

I feel the same way. This constant crying by the holdback/prefirst parents and their excuses for playing down is getting old!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

looks like Hawks is clear leader, looking forward to trying to knock them off
Madlax - there is a team that size wise looks like they could not compete but they dont let that bother them - they are legit.
Koopers- who knows sbut should be good with blended talent from Dukes
DCE CRABS RR all tough and looking to separate from middle to the top in the next few weeks
FCA- always slow starters- wait until summer tournaments
API ??

True Hawks is the clear leader but lets not forget they are also the clear leader in holdbacks. They, and their supporters will deny this but all that know this team and the elite division know the truth. All teams in tis division have some holdbacks but not to the extent that this Hawks team has. The entire program has now made this their business model, following the long ago model of Crabs. I'm not complaining and no one else should be either, it is what it is and they are within the guidelines, a grade based league. But having a loaded roster with holdbacks gives a team a clear advantage. They are not unbeatable but to do so another team will have to play their best game of the season.

Completely unaware that people know so much about all the teams and which team has the most hold backs. Maybe those with all this knowledge can enlighten the rest of us on just how many hold backs each 2022 elite team has and the positions? No names, no numbers. And, are there any 7th graders (2023) that play up and for what team and position?

Parents are unaware of teams. But the players know who the holdbacks/prefirsts are and who is on age. The one boy in Maryland playing up is a Hero.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

looks like Hawks is clear leader, looking forward to trying to knock them off
Madlax - there is a team that size wise looks like they could not compete but they dont let that bother them - they are legit.
Koopers- who knows sbut should be good with blended talent from Dukes
DCE CRABS RR all tough and looking to separate from middle to the top in the next few weeks
FCA- always slow starters- wait until summer tournaments
API ??

True Hawks is the clear leader but lets not forget they are also the clear leader in holdbacks. They, and their supporters will deny this but all that know this team and the elite division know the truth. All teams in tis division have some holdbacks but not to the extent that this Hawks team has. The entire program has now made this their business model, following the long ago model of Crabs. I'm not complaining and no one else should be either, it is what it is and they are within the guidelines, a grade based league. But having a loaded roster with holdbacks gives a team a clear advantage. They are not unbeatable but to do so another team will have to play their best game of the season.

Completely unaware that people know so much about all the teams and which team has the most hold backs. Maybe those with all this knowledge can enlighten the rest of us on just how many hold backs each 2022 elite team has and the positions? No names, no numbers. And, are there any 7th graders (2023) that play up and for what team and position?

Seems this poster was correct, you are most likely a Hawks coach/parent/supporter and here you are, trying to divert attention. If you really want to know, go to games, watch the players carefully and listen to the sideline conversations. Seems you want everyone to do the work for you. I would bet if someone did supply the info you are asking for you would be back in a split second denying all that was said. Get off the couch, go to games, watch and pay attention. It isn't that difficult.

There are 2 7th graders on Crabs

I agree that hawks are loaded with holdbacks but they are just playing the game. It will all work itself out in high school. Best thing to do is worry about your own kid and try to keep him positive while they are getting abused by the teams looking to dominant youth lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are 2 7th graders on Crabs

Truth. They are in my son’s driver’s ed class.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are 2 7th graders on Crabs

Wow,, They get to play 3 years for the eight grade Crabs team. This year, next year, and the following reclass year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big weekend for 2022's. Predictions
Friday:
91MD - 8 FCA - 3
RR - 5 Hawks - 12
Koopers - 12 API - 4

Saturday:
DC Express - 7 Crabs - 9
API - 6 FCA - 4
Koopers - 10 RR - 5
Hawks - 13 91MD - 5

I will take your bet and raise you 1

91 will get beat by FCA by 2 goals
Hawks in abother 1 goal game over RR
Koopers wI'll smack down API

DC over Crabs
FCA picks up their 2nd of the weekend
RR shocker over Koopers
Hawks smash over 91

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are 2 7th graders on Crabs

Truth. They are in my son’s driver’s ed class.

Very funny

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If any of the leagues or team had any balls they would post the rosters with the birth dates of the players. It is not against the rules to use a player of any age in a grade based league. Even if your little Johnny was 16 but was going to graduate in 2022 he is able to play.

Yes because it is not totally creepy to post kids names on an anonymous site for the pleasure of some lunatic troll who has nothing better to do than try to bash all of your lacrosse because his son isn't the player he wants him to be. Get a life ! Your kid will be fine and so will his holdback friends and teammates.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

looks like Hawks is clear leader, looking forward to trying to knock them off
Madlax - there is a team that size wise looks like they could not compete but they dont let that bother them - they are legit.
Koopers- who knows sbut should be good with blended talent from Dukes
DCE CRABS RR all tough and looking to separate from middle to the top in the next few weeks
FCA- always slow starters- wait until summer tournaments
API ??

True Hawks is the clear leader but lets not forget they are also the clear leader in holdbacks. They, and their supporters will deny this but all that know this team and the elite division know the truth. All teams in tis division have some holdbacks but not to the extent that this Hawks team has. The entire program has now made this their business model, following the long ago model of Crabs. I'm not complaining and no one else should be either, it is what it is and they are within the guidelines, a grade based league. But having a loaded roster with holdbacks gives a team a clear advantage. They are not unbeatable but to do so another team will have to play their best game of the season.

Completely unaware that people know so much about all the teams and which team has the most hold backs. Maybe those with all this knowledge can enlighten the rest of us on just how many hold backs each 2022 elite team has and the positions? No names, no numbers. And, are there any 7th graders (2023) that play up and for what team and position?

Seems this poster was correct, you are most likely a Hawks coach/parent/supporter and here you are, trying to divert attention. If you really want to know, go to games, watch the players carefully and listen to the sideline conversations. Seems you want everyone to do the work for you. I would bet if someone did supply the info you are asking for you would be back in a split second denying all that was said. Get off the couch, go to games, watch and pay attention. It isn't that difficult.

The only thing this poster shows is how bitter some parents are towards the Hawks and other clubs. How can anyone on this site talk about holdbacks and single out one team or club.Trying to bait folks into an online argument because you assume they have more because they win is childish. You do know that every team has them and for sure every club has them. NOT a Hawks supporter but to say they have more than any other team might be true but its pure speculation and speaks volumes of the people speaking it. All anyone has to do is ask their coach for a roster check from the league or any tournaments these teams are in and it will be given! I have watched them play several times and each time they where the under sized team but way more skillful. That team has a handful just like my sons team and every other team playing in the elite level. One thing is for sure is that this forum as a ton of bitterness and soreness towards certain clubs and its comical to say the least. Especially when the kids and everyone that knows these teams know the truth.

HEY LOSER DADDY TROLLS
Asking to post names of children and birth years on an anonymous site just to satisfy your ego is deplorable and over the top. Why don't you start with your name and you kids plus club and team. We can all use that as an example and see how that goes over

Looking forward to tomorrows games, see if FCA can get first win, Crabs vs DC should be a great battle. Wish i could get over tonight for T91 vs Fca, thats a bitter rivalry also tonight RR vs Hawks, assume Hawks win but can RR hang?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

darn!!!!!

Stepped away for a few days and you guys are still crying?

Nothing else to talk about I guess.

Carry on.

No Excuses

I feel the same way. This constant crying by the holdback/prefirst parents and their excuses for playing down is getting old!

Why don"t make your case tonight at the field? Bring a sign and start a petition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

Don't see many or any other people coming on here to support your side. You have allowed this to consume you.
You ask, " why do you think your child should get special privilege"
" why is your kid special" " it does not give you special rights". These are all your quotes. I never asked for special privilege. Majority parents did pre k for academic, not knowing what would take place on whatever sport their kid might play in the years to come or what does would be in place in 10 years. I have never complained about age in rec when I thought it was odd that every other year he played against his 8- 15 months older because plenty did pre k. I just going by the league and the rules. Now you could make an argument if they repeat 7th or 8th grade to gain advantage. That is parents choice so maybe high school should say you lose eligibility if you are 19 in senior year which some do.

Like Majority of adults understand, kids develope physically and mentally at different ages. Kids 7months older but not through puberty, kids 7 months younger but have the mental toughness already are spread throughout this sport. You sound like my son did when he was just 7 and started playing and thought he could not compete because that kid is 8 months older and a grade ahead. I sat him down and explained how life works, I kept saying it's only a number and it's how you train and what's in your heart.

Keep making excuses and assuming all the kids are 15 months older,
Like I and others have said you have choices. You can find appropriate skill level for your kid but you would rather come on here and complain. Ok I have given you enough voice, I am guilty of letting you survive on here. I send others should not respond and you , I will say it again, should go talk to governing bodies and sign up to try to make a difference if you feel so passionate.

Looking forward to this week's battles in 2022 Elite division. Hope to see some upsets.

You must be a politician . You make up a constant stream of garbage when a simple question was put to you. Is it right that your child get special rights to play down while others dont in Youth sports. Common sense tells you all kids should get the same opportunity as your child. Yet you once again go off on..my son did 2 year rec and I didnt complain, He did prefirst, etc .. Just answer a simple question...Do you think it is right that your child gets an advantage others dont in youth sports and is that in the spirit of youth sports. You wont answer this simple Yes or No answer due to knowing the answer .."" of course my child shouldnt get an advantage in youth sports others dont.""

Now you are justifying it by how you train and whats in their heart! LOL.. That one I havent heard before.

Excuses?? Who said that..Only You . Frankly the biggest excuse maker on here is you. You make up excuse after excuse for a system that is wrong at the youth level.

I did let the Howard County Recreation Department HOCO know how wrong grade base is in youth sports,told him the governing body of youth lacrosse USL recommends grade base at youth, But unfortunately the person running it at that time had a vested interest in a private school holdback child. Wonder why HOCO went youth grade base lacrosse when every other youth sport run by Howard County is based on age. Keep making up excuses and telling me how consumed I am , etc. Like I told you before. You might not want to quit your day job and go into the fortune telling business.

You must be new if you don't know the history of the league. You do realize that when the league was age based that your son played with older players every other year right? If you do, does that mean that every other year it was unfair because your son was in the younger group but in the off years when your son was in the older group it was all good?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HEY LOSER DADDY TROLLS
Asking to post names of children and birth years on an anonymous site just to satisfy your ego is deplorable and over the top. Why don't you start with your name and you kids plus club and team. We can all use that as an example and see how that goes over

I agree except forget posting your name here, why don't you make yourself known at the field so we can discuss? Don't be scared.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

darn!!!!!

Stepped away for a few days and you guys are still crying?

Nothing else to talk about I guess.

Carry on.

No Excuses

I feel the same way. This constant crying by the holdback/prefirst parents and their excuses for playing down is getting old!

Why don"t make your case tonight at the field? Bring a sign and start a petition.

Great idea. Bring a sign that says - BACK OF THE CAGE CRY BABY - BRING BACK AGE BASED LACROSSE

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big weekend for 2022's. Predictions
Friday:
91MD - 8 FCA - 3
RR - 5 Hawks - 12
Koopers - 12 API - 4

Saturday:
DC Express - 7 Crabs - 9
API - 6 FCA - 4
Koopers - 10 RR - 5
Hawks - 13 91MD - 5

I will take your bet and raise you 1

91 will get beat by FCA by 2 goals
Hawks in abother 1 goal game over RR
Koopers wI'll smack down API

DC over Crabs
FCA picks up their 2nd of the weekend
RR shocker over Koopers
Hawks smash over 91

OK FCA Dad!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big weekend for 2022's. Predictions
Friday:
91MD - 8 FCA - 3
RR - 5 Hawks - 12
Koopers - 12 API - 4

Saturday:
DC Express - 7 Crabs - 9
API - 6 FCA - 4
Koopers - 10 RR - 5
Hawks - 13 91MD - 5

I will take your bet and raise you 1

91 will get beat by FCA by 2 goals
Hawks in abother 1 goal game over RR
Koopers wI'll smack down API

DC over Crabs
FCA picks up their 2nd of the weekend
RR shocker over Koopers
Hawks smash over 91

OK FCA Dad!!

FCA FCA!!! Get Ready The Lord is our Sheppard

like the predictions - agree with them all although FCA gets by API by a few on Saturday. Heard FCA had a kid leave last week ..went to Crabs i think.. so maybe things are not so Harmonious over their -

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

like the predictions - agree with them all although FCA gets by API by a few on Saturday. Heard FCA had a kid leave last week ..went to Crabs i think.. so maybe things are not so Harmonious over their -

Is it addition by subtraction or subtraction by addition or just shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic? Only time will tell.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

like the predictions - agree with them all although FCA gets by API by a few on Saturday. Heard FCA had a kid leave last week ..went to Crabs i think.. so maybe things are not so Harmonious over their -

Is it addition by subtraction or subtraction by addition or just shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic? Only time will tell.

As someone in the know, definitely addition by subtraction. Absolutely zero loss or impact on the team.

The Hawks will beat Roughriders today by double digits. Roughriders have been an annoying little gnat to the Hawks the last couple years. Time to smash the bug tonight

So if that is true and the grapevine is true why would another team like Crabs pick up such a player unless they needed depth at certain postions

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

Don't see many or any other people coming on here to support your side. You have allowed this to consume you.
You ask, " why do you think your child should get special privilege"
" why is your kid special" " it does not give you special rights". These are all your quotes. I never asked for special privilege. Majority parents did pre k for academic, not knowing what would take place on whatever sport their kid might play in the years to come or what does would be in place in 10 years. I have never complained about age in rec when I thought it was odd that every other year he played against his 8- 15 months older because plenty did pre k. I just going by the league and the rules. Now you could make an argument if they repeat 7th or 8th grade to gain advantage. That is parents choice so maybe high school should say you lose eligibility if you are 19 in senior year which some do.

Like Majority of adults understand, kids develope physically and mentally at different ages. Kids 7months older but not through puberty, kids 7 months younger but have the mental toughness already are spread throughout this sport. You sound like my son did when he was just 7 and started playing and thought he could not compete because that kid is 8 months older and a grade ahead. I sat him down and explained how life works, I kept saying it's only a number and it's how you train and what's in your heart.

Keep making excuses and assuming all the kids are 15 months older,
Like I and others have said you have choices. You can find appropriate skill level for your kid but you would rather come on here and complain. Ok I have given you enough voice, I am guilty of letting you survive on here. I send others should not respond and you , I will say it again, should go talk to governing bodies and sign up to try to make a difference if you feel so passionate.

Looking forward to this week's battles in 2022 Elite division. Hope to see some upsets.

You must be a politician . You make up a constant stream of garbage when a simple question was put to you. Is it right that your child get special rights to play down while others dont in Youth sports. Common sense tells you all kids should get the same opportunity as your child. Yet you once again go off on..my son did 2 year rec and I didnt complain, He did prefirst, etc .. Just answer a simple question...Do you think it is right that your child gets an advantage others dont in youth sports and is that in the spirit of youth sports. You wont answer this simple Yes or No answer due to knowing the answer .."" of course my child shouldnt get an advantage in youth sports others dont.""

Now you are justifying it by how you train and whats in their heart! LOL.. That one I havent heard before.

Excuses?? Who said that..Only You . Frankly the biggest excuse maker on here is you. You make up excuse after excuse for a system that is wrong at the youth level.

I did let the Howard County Recreation Department HOCO know how wrong grade base is in youth sports,told him the governing body of youth lacrosse USL recommends grade base at youth, But unfortunately the person running it at that time had a vested interest in a private school holdback child. Wonder why HOCO went youth grade base lacrosse when every other youth sport run by Howard County is based on age. Keep making up excuses and telling me how consumed I am , etc. Like I told you before. You might not want to quit your day job and go into the fortune telling business.

You must be new if you don't know the history of the league. You do realize that when the league was age based that your son played with older players every other year right? If you do, does that mean that every other year it was unfair because your son was in the younger group but in the off years when your son was in the older group it was all good?

Yes??/ What is that supposed to mean??/ Now we have every year the same players get an advantage at being older than the oldest on age player?? At least with age two years spread, you had your day of being in oldest group.

And here is how it was in the MYLA leagues...Take U13... The A teams were loaded with second year players with occasional first year players. The following year you were the A league players if you had been first year the year before.... Got that. Your holdback apologist analogy is completely ignorant. It is actually a case against prefirst/holdbacks getting an advantage others dont.

Unless you had a late summer birthday than you hardly ever got an advantage. You were almost 2 years younger than the oldest and in your 2nd year you could be same or 10 months younger than oldest if they have sept birthday. How is that fair.. Those parents cheated the system by having planned births in sept and October.

Who won the night games? Looking for some early updates

FCA beat 91 8-6
Hawk won 10-1
API lost big to koopers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks will beat Roughriders today by double digits. Roughriders have been an annoying little gnat to the Hawks the last couple years. Time to smash the bug tonight

.... and they're still annoying. Hawks 10, RRers 1. Gosh, that's not double digits, is it. Game was even better than the score indicates. Take away a Hawks extra man goal, 2 that followed on the heels of crap calls by an OJT ref (if he wasn't training on the job, there's no other excuse for him), and a piped shot by the RRers, and the game would have been closer still. Given their talent and ages, Hawks are the better team, should have won, and did. However, the "bug" lives!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks will beat Roughriders today by double digits. Roughriders have been an annoying little gnat to the Hawks the last couple years. Time to smash the bug tonight

What a childish post. The gap you speak of seems to be you and many would love to smash a [ChillLaxin] like you. Time to smash your little ragged as* for a lowlife childish post. Where is the can of Raid spray when you need it!

Look I don’t believe in the Holdbacks . I come from old school if you are good you played up not down .But it’s not breaking the rules it is what it is . My son is always the youngest and plays elite division his birthday is August 26 . He will just turn 14 going into 9th grade . I’m not going to whine about it that is the rules . So the guy that keeps posting about Holdbacks Move On . Life is not fair it’s a good learning lesson and if your son can’t handle the elite division move to AA division still great talent in that division...Do you want a trophy because you played..

Well at least one good game, Looks like FCA will get back to back wins as API seems to be down this year. Although sounds like RR competed and maybe closer game or better game than score showed?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks will beat Roughriders today by double digits. Roughriders have been an annoying little gnat to the Hawks the last couple years. Time to smash the bug tonight

If only every other "8th grade" team in the league could be so lucky as to have 4 6'2" players with full chest hair, 8th grade teams might not look like gnats playing the Hawks....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks will beat Roughriders today by double digits. Roughriders have been an annoying little gnat to the Hawks the last couple years. Time to smash the bug tonight

Hulks secret code for success C19H28O2. Every other team will naturally crack this code in the next year or so.

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

Unless you had a late summer birthday than you hardly ever got an advantage. You were almost 2 years younger than the oldest and in your 2nd year you could be same or 10 months younger than oldest if they have sept birthday. How is that fair.. Those parents cheated the system by having planned births in sept and October.

I see..So since your child was born in summer and had to play against older children, that isnt fair. Hilarious! And with that reasoning it is ok for your child now to get the same advantage ( that you said was unfair ) on other children. LOL,,

You holdback/prefirst grade based apologists are hilarious. Now tell me how he did prefisrt for academics ( who knows what that has to do with Youth lacrosse) , and you played rec with two year spread , and its only 3 months difference ( that one is hilarious too , you say its 10 months with your child playing against older children, but when your child is the oldest, its only 3 months to 5 months LOL!! )

The grade based apologists better hope for a better spokesperson that you.

RR, 91 and API should have moved down to AA this year so a few other deserving teams could have moved into elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks will beat Roughriders today by double digits. Roughriders have been an annoying little gnat to the Hawks the last couple years. Time to smash the bug tonight

.... and they're still annoying. Hawks 10, RRers 1. Gosh, that's not double digits, is it. Game was even better than the score indicates. Take away a Hawks extra man goal, 2 that followed on the heels of crap calls by an OJT ref (if he wasn't training on the job, there's no other excuse for him), and a piped shot by the RRers, and the game would have been closer still. Given their talent and ages, Hawks are the better team, should have won, and did. However, the "bug" lives!

10-1.........with ref excuses and what ifs.......9 goal differential isn’t close.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks will beat Roughriders today by double digits. Roughriders have been an annoying little gnat to the Hawks the last couple years. Time to smash the bug tonight

What a childish post. The gap you speak of seems to be you and many would love to smash a [ChillLaxin] like you. Time to smash your little ragged as* for a lowlife childish post. Where is the can of Raid spray when you need it!

Another API dad pretending to be a Hawk writing garbage to try and start something. RR are a very good team and so are the Hawks. Haters are going to Hate.

RR-1 Hawks 10
FCA-8 MD91 6
API ? Koopers ?

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

Unless you had a late summer birthday than you hardly ever got an advantage. You were almost 2 years younger than the oldest and in your 2nd year you could be same or 10 months younger than oldest if they have sept birthday. How is that fair.. Those parents cheated the system by having planned births in sept and October.

My son has a Sep birthday and started school a year early. He could be in 7th grade. He is 2 years younger than his classmates and some teammates (3yrs younger if you count the 4 holdbacks on his team). He has always played up. So why all the whinning? If your son is good enough he will be able to hang and standout during the middle school puberty years.

What is unfair are these HOCO games at 6pm on Friday. Horrible and unfair. It interrupts my Friday happy hour and who really wants to sit in rush hour beltway traffic on a Friday?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks will beat Roughriders today by double digits. Roughriders have been an annoying little gnat to the Hawks the last couple years. Time to smash the bug tonight

What a childish post. The gap you speak of seems to be you and many would love to smash a [ChillLaxin] like you. Time to smash your little ragged as* for a lowlife childish post. Where is the can of Raid spray when you need it!

Who is the child? The player who posted the original message or the stunad adult that responded?

Crabs beat Express in OT, RM has his team in the hunt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks will beat Roughriders today by double digits. Roughriders have been an annoying little gnat to the Hawks the last couple years. Time to smash the bug tonight

.... and they're still annoying. Hawks 10, RRers 1. Gosh, that's not double digits, is it. Game was even better than the score indicates. Take away a Hawks extra man goal, 2 that followed on the heels of crap calls by an OJT ref (if he wasn't training on the job, there's no other excuse for him), and a piped shot by the RRers, and the game would have been closer still. Given their talent and ages, Hawks are the better team, should have won, and did. However, the "bug" lives!

Tough breaks. HOCO should credit the Riders with a win? If Hawks we will give give those 5 goals you should have had but we will take the 7 or 8 more we could have scored if we wanted so new final 18-6.

Congrats

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks will beat Roughriders today by double digits. Roughriders have been an annoying little gnat to the Hawks the last couple years. Time to smash the bug tonight

What a childish post. The gap you speak of seems to be you and many would love to smash a [ChillLaxin] like you. Time to smash your little ragged as* for a lowlife childish post. Where is the can of Raid spray when you need it!

You left out the part where the post was true. Maybe next time guy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks will beat Roughriders today by double digits. Roughriders have been an annoying little gnat to the Hawks the last couple years. Time to smash the bug tonight

What a childish post. The gap you speak of seems to be you and many would love to smash a [ChillLaxin] like you. Time to smash your little ragged as* for a lowlife childish post. Where is the can of Raid spray when you need it!

Who is the child? The player who posted the original message or the stunad adult that responded?

I would have to say the poster of the original message and you, the clear stunad that just responded. Hawks people are just nasty nasty people. Clearly Hawks should be playing in the 2021 division, that is where most of their 2022 players belong, but Hawks have become king of holdbacks in the HOCO league. Tough when you first wake up in the morning and have no idea how to make a clear and meaningful response.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks will beat Roughriders today by double digits. Roughriders have been an annoying little gnat to the Hawks the last couple years. Time to smash the bug tonight

.... and they're still annoying. Hawks 10, RRers 1. Gosh, that's not double digits, is it. Game was even better than the score indicates. Take away a Hawks extra man goal, 2 that followed on the heels of crap calls by an OJT ref (if he wasn't training on the job, there's no other excuse for him), and a piped shot by the RRers, and the game would have been closer still. Given their talent and ages, Hawks are the better team, should have won, and did. However, the "bug" lives!

Tough breaks. HOCO should credit the Riders with a win? If Hawks we will give give those 5 goals you should have had but we will take the 7 or 8 more we could have scored if we wanted so new final 18-6.

Congrats

Doubt it. The score would have never been 18-6. But, to show how classless Hawks is, they are winning 10-1 with less that 1:30 minutes left in the game and they call a time out. Wanted to run some offense to get another goal. Sorry it didn't work out. Don't even try and suggest they held back from scoring, that is not the mentality of the Hawks 2022 coach. He just want to run up the score anytime he can and pound his chest like he is the greatest coach alive. Sorry, he shows no class whatsoever, never has and never will. He is just so proud of his loaded holdback 2022 team. Go up to 2021 with your holdbacks and see what happens. They would get their butt kicked.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks will beat Roughriders today by double digits. Roughriders have been an annoying little gnat to the Hawks the last couple years. Time to smash the bug tonight

.... and they're still annoying. Hawks 10, RRers 1. Gosh, that's not double digits, is it. Game was even better than the score indicates. Take away a Hawks extra man goal, 2 that followed on the heels of crap calls by an OJT ref (if he wasn't training on the job, there's no other excuse for him), and a piped shot by the RRers, and the game would have been closer still. Given their talent and ages, Hawks are the better team, should have won, and did. However, the "bug" lives!

Tough breaks. HOCO should credit the Riders with a win? If Hawks we will give give those 5 goals you should have had but we will take the 7 or 8 more we could have scored if we wanted so new final 18-6.

Congrats

Doubt it. The score would have never been 18-6. But, to show how classless Hawks is, they are winning 10-1 with less that 1:30 minutes left in the game and they call a time out. Wanted to run some offense to get another goal. Sorry it didn't work out. Don't even try and suggest they held back from scoring, that is not the mentality of the Hawks 2022 coach. He just want to run up the score anytime he can and pound his chest like he is the greatest coach alive. Sorry, he shows no class whatsoever, never has and never will. He is just so proud of his loaded holdback 2022 team. Go up to 2021 with your holdbacks and see what happens. They would get their butt kicked.

Funny, as a RRer fan, I had nearly the opposite take on the last 2 minutes. Thought the Hawks coach backed off, and tried to run out the clock, vice run up the score. That said, that ref was still terrible , and your 18-6 - stuff it!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks will beat Roughriders today by double digits. Roughriders have been an annoying little gnat to the Hawks the last couple years. Time to smash the bug tonight

.... and they're still annoying. Hawks 10, RRers 1. Gosh, that's not double digits, is it. Game was even better than the score indicates. Take away a Hawks extra man goal, 2 that followed on the heels of crap calls by an OJT ref (if he wasn't training on the job, there's no other excuse for him), and a piped shot by the RRers, and the game would have been closer still. Given their talent and ages, Hawks are the better team, should have won, and did. However, the "bug" lives!

Tough breaks. HOCO should credit the Riders with a win? If Hawks we will give give those 5 goals you should have had but we will take the 7 or 8 more we could have scored if we wanted so new final 18-6.

Congrats

Doubt it. The score would have never been 18-6. But, to show how classless Hawks is, they are winning 10-1 with less that 1:30 minutes left in the game and they call a time out. Wanted to run some offense to get another goal. Sorry it didn't work out. Don't even try and suggest they held back from scoring, that is not the mentality of the Hawks 2022 coach. He just want to run up the score anytime he can and pound his chest like he is the greatest coach alive. Sorry, he shows no class whatsoever, never has and never will. He is just so proud of his loaded holdback 2022 team. Go up to 2021 with your holdbacks and see what happens. They would get their butt kicked.

Funny, as a RRer fan, I had nearly the opposite take on the last 2 minutes. Thought the Hawks coach backed off, and tried to run out the clock, vice run up the score. That said, that ref was still terrible , and your 18-6 - stuff it!

The only time the Hawks coach backed off was with less than 30 seconds left, then they just held the ball. But the time out was not for telling his team not to score, they were clearly trying to run an offensive play and it didn't work, RR play good D last minute of game. Agree, Hawks fan can stuff his statement of 18-6. Agree, the one ref was a total nightmare, clearly had no idea what he was doing and just embarrassed himself. He needs to go back to doing 6 year old games to gain more experience, if he ever does get more experience, one never knows with someone like him.

Finally, a classy & well educated post! Kudos, you kid(s) will be productive members of society! Than you for that!

If july and sept birthday both kid are 9 on August 31 so play 9/10 together right.10 months difference. And 20 + if kids turns 11 sept
. Point is people that complaining gets you know where and is a crutch, playing up can only help or if your kid is getting run over than and scared then maybe go to AA or A division like the previous guy posted who has young kid playing at 10 months younger or more.

I never once said "unfair" and for anyone who did prek you have zero idea why but at 4 yrs old most of us had no idea what sport our kids would gravitate towards.

Keep making excuses for your child and be will always struggle, any parent wanting to give kid advantage in school i will never argue, especially if itv will benefit academically. Lacrosse is by product and if being older gets him scholarship, good for them. We all want our v kids to be successful. You seem hung up on youth lacrosse or lacrosse in general which will get your child Zippy once he is graduated..
But keep coming on here and making excuses it does not change anything. I hope we can beat a bunch of 18 yr old hawks as you would have them i don't mind playing and losing to older and talented kids.

Koopers hung 20 on API in a slaughter. Koopers and Hawks in top of the class. Madlax , Crabs , DC in tight battle for third and fourth i guess i should have thrown RR in there. DC Express with 2 tough OT losses in back to back weeks , very good team.

20 goals for koopers?
Did 91 have a goalie?

Koopers hung 20 on API wow. Don't some of the API kids play on Dukes and Warthogs for box. Sound classy to run it up on teammates.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks will beat Roughriders today by double digits. Roughriders have been an annoying little gnat to the Hawks the last couple years. Time to smash the bug tonight

.... and they're still annoying. Hawks 10, RRers 1. Gosh, that's not double digits, is it. Game was even better than the score indicates. Take away a Hawks extra man goal, 2 that followed on the heels of crap calls by an OJT ref (if he wasn't training on the job, there's no other excuse for him), and a piped shot by the RRers, and the game would have been closer still. Given their talent and ages, Hawks are the better team, should have won, and did. However, the "bug" lives!

Tough breaks. HOCO should credit the Riders with a win? If Hawks we will give give those 5 goals you should have had but we will take the 7 or 8 more we could have scored if we wanted so new final 18-6.

Congrats

Doubt it. The score would have never been 18-6. But, to show how classless Hawks is, they are winning 10-1 with less that 1:30 minutes left in the game and they call a time out. Wanted to run some offense to get another goal. Sorry it didn't work out. Don't even try and suggest they held back from scoring, that is not the mentality of the Hawks 2022 coach. He just want to run up the score anytime he can and pound his chest like he is the greatest coach alive. Sorry, he shows no class whatsoever, never has and never will. He is just so proud of his loaded holdback 2022 team. Go up to 2021 with your holdbacks and see what happens. They would get their butt kicked.

Sounds like you are mad because RawRiders are the new API and are now regressing. Your standouts the last 3 years look average now.

Speaking of classless nice job RawRiders coaches only playing a kid 3 minutes against his former team even in a blowout. Very classy

Don’t think 4 losses for gets DCE in the playoffs

Hawks 10 - 91 MD 3. Game much closer than score.

How is it possible for the Hawks 2022 to have a player that also plays varsity high school lacrosse for Del Mar?

Agree. DCE is imploding. Can put games away....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

RR, 91 and API should have moved down to AA this year so a few other deserving teams could have moved into elite.

Who do you see moving up to Elite that is better than RR, 91, or API?

What did the FCA player do to the 91 kid to cause him to sit out today? The 91 coach was posting about it on twitter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 10 - 91 MD 3. Game much closer than score.

91 MD goalie played lights out as did the Hawks keepers. Both teams played sloppy on offense. Tough to generate transition offense out of a zone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is it possible for the Hawks 2022 to have a player that also plays varsity high school lacrosse for Del Mar?

I would assume he is better than the players at his position on JV

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree. DCE is imploding. Can put games away....

They are hardly "imploding". They lost 2 close games in OT. The holdback advantage is deteriorating now that most other teams are starting to physically mature. That was an advantage for DCE the past few seasons.

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

If july and sept birthday both kid are 9 on August 31 so play 9/10 together right.10 months difference. And 20 + if kids turns 11 sept
. Point is people that complaining gets you know where and is a crutch, playing up can only help or if your kid is getting run over than and scared then maybe go to AA or A division like the previous guy posted who has young kid playing at 10 months younger or more.

I never once said "unfair" and for anyone who did prek you have zero idea why but at 4 yrs old most of us had no idea what sport our kids would gravitate towards.

Keep making excuses for your child and be will always struggle, any parent wanting to give kid advantage in school i will never argue, especially if itv will benefit academically. Lacrosse is by product and if being older gets him scholarship, good for them. We all want our v kids to be successful. You seem hung up on youth lacrosse or lacrosse in general which will get your child Zippy once he is graduated..
But keep coming on here and making excuses it does not change anything. I hope we can beat a bunch of 18 yr old hawks as you would have them i don't mind playing and losing to older and talented kids.

Do you always dig holes deeper and deeper?? You are one hilarious person. "playing up can only help" "i don't mind playing and losing to older and talented kids " ..Did you actually say that?? But You are playing DOWN?? Do you even think what you write?? LOL.. . And here we go again..who cares that you did prefirst?? What does prefirst have to do with getting a select advantage in youth lacrosse?? Youth Lacrosse is a byproduct of school???? What does public at large youth lacrosse have to do with school?? Nothing... Only school teams and High School teams are a byproduct and have anything to do with your prek.

The best you left for last again.. " Keep making excuses" Now that one is downright Hilarious. You are constantly making excuses for your child that gets an advantage others dont get. He did prek, he did rec 2 year spread, he is only a few months older, etc, etc.. LOL. You got the excuses down.

Sounds like you are mad because RawRiders are the new API and are now regressing. Your standouts the last 3 years look average now.

Speaking of classless nice job RawRiders coaches only playing a kid 3 minutes against his former team even in a blowout. Very classy

Ever hear of injury butt head. Love it when uninformed people like you make statements and have no clue what is going on.

And to further your proof of being a top level butt head, the name of the club is RoughRiders. It is dbags like you who lower the level and act like a 6 year old.

RughRiders are not regressing, it is most of the team is on age and doesn't have a roster full of hold backs like the 2022 Hawks team. Again, move that team to 2021 and watch what happens. It won't be pretty and you won't like the results. Your hold backs will look below average playing 2021, where most of the 2022 team belongs. I also know they have a double hold back, how pathetic is that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is it possible for the Hawks 2022 to have a player that also plays varsity high school lacrosse for Del Mar?

I would assume he is better than the players at his position on JV

He is 21 and will age out of HS. Good news he will play 2023 next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What did the FCA player do to the 91 kid to cause him to sit out today? The 91 coach was posting about it on twitter.

It was a high hit from 91 player against FCA. Millon took to Twitter to continue the farce that he is a leader on youth safety, but that never really pans out for him in real life("BREAK THEIR ARMS") because he needed a win more. He put the player in the game right after the first quarter despite telling the Twitter Universe the player would sit the entire game. The shock it caused among onlookers was almost as fake as the level of morality his Twitter thumbs possess.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like you are mad because RawRiders are the new API and are now regressing. Your standouts the last 3 years look average now.

Speaking of classless nice job RawRiders coaches only playing a kid 3 minutes against his former team even in a blowout. Very classy

Ever hear of injury butt head. Love it when uninformed people like you make statements and have no clue what is going on.

And to further your proof of being a top level butt head, the name of the club is RoughRiders. It is dbags like you who lower the level and act like a 6 year old.

RughRiders are not regressing, it is most of the team is on age and doesn't have a roster full of hold backs like the 2022 Hawks team. Again, move that team to 2021 and watch what happens. It won't be pretty and you won't like the results. Your hold backs will look below average playing 2021, where most of the 2022 team belongs. I also know they have a double hold back, how pathetic is that.

I heard the double-holdback drove to one of the games this weekend? They should do the parents a favor and get him to drive the team van back and forth to their two-a-days.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like you are mad because RawRiders are the new API and are now regressing. Your standouts the last 3 years look average now.

Speaking of classless nice job RawRiders coaches only playing a kid 3 minutes against his former team even in a blowout. Very classy

Ever hear of injury butt head. Love it when uninformed people like you make statements and have no clue what is going on.

And to further your proof of being a top level butt head, the name of the club is RoughRiders. It is dbags like you who lower the level and act like a 6 year old.

RughRiders are not regressing, it is most of the team is on age and doesn't have a roster full of hold backs like the 2022 Hawks team. Again, move that team to 2021 and watch what happens. It won't be pretty and you won't like the results. Your hold backs will look below average playing 2021, where most of the 2022 team belongs. I also know they have a double hold back, how pathetic is that.

Kids peak in 7th and 8th grade all of the time. It happens in every Program and on every team. Coaching and the quality of competition in practice matters. If you're strong in both areas, players will develop faster and better. Why do you think the Crabs do so well year in and year out. Historically they've attracted the most talent and more importantly they have RM molding them into a unit in the 8th grade. If you have most of the talent in an age group, even if you have some boys who peak earlier, others will take their place. Its called depth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like you are mad because RawRiders are the new API and are now regressing. Your standouts the last 3 years look average now.

Speaking of classless nice job RawRiders coaches only playing a kid 3 minutes against his former team even in a blowout. Very classy

Ever hear of injury butt head. Love it when uninformed people like you make statements and have no clue what is going on.

And to further your proof of being a top level butt head, the name of the club is RoughRiders. It is dbags like you who lower the level and act like a 6 year old.

RughRiders are not regressing, it is most of the team is on age and doesn't have a roster full of hold backs like the 2022 Hawks team. Again, move that team to 2021 and watch what happens. It won't be pretty and you won't like the results. Your hold backs will look below average playing 2021, where most of the 2022 team belongs. I also know they have a double hold back, how pathetic is that.

So is it RoughRiders or Rughriders?

Injuries or not your players and team are pulling an API and staying still. Holdbacks or not, our players and TEAM are getting better. Yours aren't. Very noticable. That is why the top lacrosse High Schools in the area wanted our kids and yours are going to places none has heard of. A stunad convention in RughRider land

Classless? Playing only 11-12 kids the entire game leaving 10 kids holding their heads down on bench- Not to mention coach for RR yelling at Hawks bench and screaming like a lunatic which resulted in a bench penalty a lead to a goal for Hawks. Refs were horrible and all can agree on that- as far as your holdback comments go RR has plenty on that team - Hawks coach held back from the 3rd quarter on when he realized how bad his team was playing and that RR could not score on his defense or goalies.
Keep up the classy trash taking from the losing sideline. It gives a good chuckle-

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like you are mad because RawRiders are the new API and are now regressing. Your standouts the last 3 years look average now.

Speaking of classless nice job RawRiders coaches only playing a kid 3 minutes against his former team even in a blowout. Very classy

Ever hear of injury butt head. Love it when uninformed people like you make statements and have no clue what is going on.

And to further your proof of being a top level butt head, the name of the club is RoughRiders. It is dbags like you who lower the level and act like a 6 year old.

RughRiders are not regressing, it is most of the team is on age and doesn't have a roster full of hold backs like the 2022 Hawks team. Again, move that team to 2021 and watch what happens. It won't be pretty and you won't like the results. Your hold backs will look below average playing 2021, where most of the 2022 team belongs. I also know they have a double hold back, how pathetic is that.

Hahaha- mostly on age? Hawks is mostly on age too!
Along with DCE, Crabs, FCA, 91, API etc.
You have no clue how many are on each team but thanks for admitting RR as them- even though everyone already knew that. Your bitterness towards the Hawks is classless and everyone of your statements mean nothing and are transparent to your bitterness. Hopefully you will get over it.

RawRiders have peaked. Some peak on summits like Kilamanjaro. Sadly the RughRiders peak was the construction dirt pile at Troy Park

Originally Posted by Anonymous

RawRiders have peaked. Some peak on summits like Kilamanjaro. Sadly the RughRiders peak was the construction dirt pile at Troy Park

Funny. Good luck to the young man who left the Hawks for that mess. He and his parents deserve better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

RawRiders have peaked. Some peak on summits like Kilamanjaro. Sadly the RughRiders peak was the construction dirt pile at Troy Park

When you find Kil"a"manjaro, let us all know what and where it is. Not surprised you got "dirt pile" right, as I suspect you're an expert in that arena.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So is it RoughRiders or Rughriders?

Injuries or not your players and team are pulling an API and staying still. Holdbacks or not, our players and TEAM are getting better. Yours aren't. Very noticable. That is why the top lacrosse High Schools in the area wanted our kids and yours are going to places none has heard of. A stunad convention in RughRider land[/quote]

So Spalding is a top lacrosse high school now? Is this a joke? Or another pipe dream that when 2022 Hawks coach takes over Spalding program that they won’t stink?
May want to check your intell on where RR kids will be in HS. Plenty already at MIAA A conference schools and will stay there.

Annapolis Sparrows is AA without holdbacks.
Spalding will be moving to MIAA - B next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Annapolis Sparrows is AA without holdbacks.
Spalding will be moving to MIAA - B next year.

And if Spalding is dumb enough to hire R as head coach he will insist that they move to MIAA-B so he will have a chance to win a few games. His ego is usually out of control and he will do nothing but ruin Spalding's lacrosse program. He is no where near qualified to coach at any MIAA level, he would even struggle at the public high school level. He can just stay with the Annapolis Crap Birds and play his holdback game and think he is a great lacrosse mind.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So is it RoughRiders or Rughriders?

Injuries or not your players and team are pulling an API and staying still. Holdbacks or not, our players and TEAM are getting better. Yours aren't. Very noticable. That is why the top lacrosse High Schools in the area wanted our kids and yours are going to places none has heard of. A stunad convention in RughRider land

So Spalding is a top lacrosse high school now? Is this a joke? Or another pipe dream that when 2022 Hawks coach takes over Spalding program that they won’t stink?
May want to check your intell on where RR kids will be in HS. Plenty already at MIAA A conference schools and will stay there.[/quote]

What a stunad. Maybe they are already at Miaa schools but they weren't recruited there. Look, I respect what you did the last 2 years. You played us better than anyone even the Long Island teams. You had 2 or 3 of the better players we faced. You just peaked and regressed it happens just like the API clowns. We keep getting better every day while you keep charging money and cancelling practices or only have half the team show up. It shows on the scoreboard. Why is that no Roughriders have ever shown up at a Hawks tryout? They would actually have to come to practice and give effort all the time. You have become a 2k per year rec program. Probably why several teams including hs folded

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So is it RoughRiders or Rughriders?

Injuries or not your players and team are pulling an API and staying still. Holdbacks or not, our players and TEAM are getting better. Yours aren't. Very noticable. That is why the top lacrosse High Schools in the area wanted our kids and yours are going to places none has heard of. A stunad convention in RughRider land

So Spalding is a top lacrosse high school now? Is this a joke? Or another pipe dream that when 2022 Hawks coach takes over Spalding program that they won’t stink?
May want to check your intell on where RR kids will be in HS. Plenty already at MIAA A conference schools and will stay there.[/quote]

What a stunad. Maybe they are already at Miaa schools but they weren't recruited there. Look, I respect what you did the last 2 years. You played us better than anyone even the Long Island teams. You had 2 or 3 of the better players we faced. You just peaked and regressed it happens just like the API clowns. We keep getting better every day while you keep charging money and cancelling practices or only have half the team show up. It shows on the scoreboard. Why is that no Roughriders have ever shown up at a Hawks tryout? They would actually have to come to practice and give effort all the time. You have become a 2k per year rec program. Probably why several teams including hs folded

I though the better Hawks kids where going to St. John's. That leaves Spalding with Hawks backups

Looks like the Hawks, Madlax, Crabs and Koopers should be Elite A...all the other teams should be competing in Elite B....would make for a better season for all involved

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What did the FCA player do to the 91 kid to cause him to sit out today? The 91 coach was posting about it on twitter.

It was a high hit from 91 player against FCA. Millon took to Twitter to continue the farce that he is a leader on youth safety, but that never really pans out for him in real life("BREAK THEIR ARMS") because he needed a win more. He put the player in the game right after the first quarter despite telling the Twitter Universe the player would sit the entire game. The shock it caused among onlookers was almost as fake as the level of morality his Twitter thumbs possess.

Here is another tweet/poll from the 91MD coach:
Serious question. If your son/daughter played on a team would you rather win and play like a bunch of bush leaguers or lose and play with fundamentals like a real team?
08% Bush league short term
92% Fundamentals big picture
205 votes

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

Koopers hung 20 on API in a slaughter. Koopers and Hawks in top of the class. Madlax , Crabs , DC in tight battle for third and fourth i guess i should have thrown RR in there. DC Express with 2 tough OT losses in back to back weeks , very good team.

Surprisingly the best kids on the Slainte/Koopers 21/Dukes team from this weeked were the Bucktown and Philly Freedom kids. The MD Koopers kids have skills but are such ball hogs, they run into the pile and get it checked away most of the time.

The 4/28 Koopers vs Hawks game will be a great one if Slainte/Koopers 21/Dukes can get everyone into town from Long Island, Philly, North Carolina, etc.

Spalding is no more then a public school with uniforms.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So is it RoughRiders or Rughriders?

Injuries or not your players and team are pulling an API and staying still. Holdbacks or not, our players and TEAM are getting better. Yours aren't. Very noticable. That is why the top lacrosse High Schools in the area wanted our kids and yours are going to places none has heard of. A stunad convention in RughRider land

So Spalding is a top lacrosse high school now? Is this a joke? Or another pipe dream that when 2022 Hawks coach takes over Spalding program that they won’t stink?
May want to check your intell on where RR kids will be in HS. Plenty already at MIAA A conference schools and will stay there.

What a stunad. Maybe they are already at Miaa schools but they weren't recruited there. Look, I respect what you did the last 2 years. You played us better than anyone even the Long Island teams. You had 2 or 3 of the better players we faced. You just peaked and regressed it happens just like the API clowns. We keep getting better every day while you keep charging money and cancelling practices or only have half the team show up. It shows on the scoreboard. Why is that no Roughriders have ever shown up at a Hawks tryout? They would actually have to come to practice and give effort all the time. You have become a 2k per year rec program. Probably why several teams including hs folded[/quote]

Get your facts straight. They were recruited by MIAA schools when in the 7th and 8th grade and these are the top MIAA schools in Baltimore, not the Spalding's of the world. The only way your program is getting better is by loading up on holdbacks, the 2022 team is mostly a 2021 team, you know it and everyone else knows it. As to why no RR's try out for the Bird team, simply, they do not want to play for that program. Has nothing to do with practice, as you mentioned. RR practice plenty during the season. And where you get only half the team shows up for games is laughable, the entire team is there every game. Kids play other sports during off season, so to expect them to also practice lax in the off season will lead to a lot of burn out and kids just quit lax. The only thing that is showing up on the scoreboard this year is that the teams with the majority roster of holdbacks is winning, and Hawks 2022 is leading the way, followed closely by Koopers. Don't you think kids at this age know who the holdbacks are and who is playing where? Of course they do and they clearly now who the holdbacks are.
It is strange that it has been mentioned 2 or 3 times about a double holdback on Hawks 2022 team yet there has been no response to that. Wonder why? Probably because it is true. And after seeing how Ripley acts on the sidelines during games, no wonder RR players would never want to play for a ego driven person like him. Keep him in AA County, he would fall flat on his face anywhere else. I believe he play college lax at VMI. Now there is a strong program. Play RR without your holdbacks and it would be a different game.

Please stop all this ugliness. Kids read this. Please stop mentioning coaches and kids. These are peoples' family members. The things you are saying are not true. The kids don't say these things about each other. Why must the parents ruin everything? It is not your prerogative to talk about someone else's kid on here. Or a coach your kid has never had. Please stop.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is it possible for the Hawks 2022 to have a player that also plays varsity high school lacrosse for Del Mar?

I would assume he is better than the players at his position on JV

He is 21 and will age out of HS. Good news he will play 2023 next year.

nice try, maybe you should look at a roster and research the eligibility rules in the state of delaware before singling out a child

Please enough of the holdback stuff. I'm not a fan of it. My son plays on one of the better teams and he is on age. He's already a good player in the current situation, but would it be nice if he was being compared to his actual peers? Of course. But complaining on here isn't doing anything. And to the RR parents and any other parents you know darn well that your team has holdbacks also. So what is an acceptable amount in your eyes? Say Hawks have 8, Crabs has 6, FCA has 6, etc... Does the fact that RR only has 3 or 4 make it ok to you? Looneys probably has 7 or 8 and it doesn't make them a good team.

Every thread on this site gets overrun by holdback complaining. It is what it is. Move on.

this forum needs to go back to having to register and do away with the anonymous posts, it's like the Jerry Springer show in here

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is it possible for the Hawks 2022 to have a player that also plays varsity high school lacrosse for Del Mar?

If this is true, even if that player is eligible to play by his HS FState rules, it would appear he would not be eligible to play in HoCo as a result.

From the HoCo League rules:

The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player’s current grade level. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

this forum needs to go back to having to register and do away with the anonymous posts, it's like the Jerry Springer show in here

I could not agree more. People are gross. I wish their kids knew what they are writing on here. And for what?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Please enough of the holdback stuff. I'm not a fan of it. My son plays on one of the better teams and he is on age. He's already a good player in the current situation, but would it be nice if he was being compared to his actual peers? Of course. But complaining on here isn't doing anything. And to the RR parents and any other parents you know darn well that your team has holdbacks also. So what is an acceptable amount in your eyes? Say Hawks have 8, Crabs has 6, FCA has 6, etc... Does the fact that RR only has 3 or 4 make it ok to you? Looneys probably has 7 or 8 and it doesn't make them a good team.

Every thread on this site gets overrun by holdback complaining. It is what it is. Move on.

I agree it gets tiresome reading about the holdback stuff but look back a few pages and see how it started. Hawks fans came very close to trashing RoughRiders after beating them Friday night. When that happens people are going to respond, both fans and non fans of RoughRiders, simply because many know the truth about Hawks 2022. I also agree that every club has holdbacks, numbers are different for each team but to start saying a club is regressing is out of line, when you beat that team with a team loaded with holdbacks. Hawks fans start calling RR by a mock name and again come very close to trashing them. How can any team with some holdbacks compete with a team that has 12+ holdbacks on a roster of about 20 some kids? You can't, Hawks is in reality a 2021 team playing in the 2022 division. I wouldn't be surprised that some of these post are from the coach of Hawks 2022, it is not beyond him to act this way.
Holdbacks are not breaking the rules of the HOCO league, it is a grade base league and has been for several years. How it really started is anyone's guess, we have all heard the stories of how and why, so who knows the real truth? If you beat a team be happy for your win but don't come on here, an anonymous web site, and start the trash talk. That is out of line and uncalled for.
To answer your question, how many holdbacks are acceptable, to me the answer is none. I would prefer to see this go back to an age base league and at some point it could, given that early college recruiting has been moved up to the beginning of a players junior year in high school. This is the best move the NCAA could have done to put a stop to early recruiting and hopefully in will trickle down to the HOCO league to revert back to age base leagues.

Agree, glad they stopped early commits but they will find a way to recruit or get in their ear.

You are hung up on advantage, it's talent.! My kid is within 6 months of 90% of kids out there. So why they hang up , you just whine, whine, whine about advantage which has nothing to do with age but all about talent.

It would be like me coming on here and saying all you sept, Oct birthday's should have to start early because of some stupid rule all your kids are 10 months older than my kid.

You feel it's ok to attack people who did prek 10 years ago and think that everyone motive was youth lacrosse? Who cares no advantage . It will never be perfect but you seem to think like a kid and say 8 months or a year makes a difference. Not for most kids, if your kid is 5ft tall and on age he is going to have trouble in basketball right? Even if the kid he is playing is 14 months younger but 5'9 and athletic.

Wait but i see plenty of on age kids in basketball excel while being the smallest kid by far... oh wait.. they have talent. So please spare me the advantage.

You want to call out double hold backs of parents who kid repeats 8th to gain advantage at high school level well a little different then but still why complain on here not changing anything.

See what ya'll did calling out kids?

Originally Posted by MrAnonymous

See what ya'll did calling out kids?

Yeah, it always gets quiet around here when they turn anonymous posting off. It's actually pleasant...

API 7 vs. Team 91 8
Hawks 10 vs. Madlax 6
FCA 5 vs. Crabs 9
DC Express 8 vs. Koopers 10
Team 91 5 vs. Madlax 10

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is it possible for the Hawks 2022 to have a player that also plays varsity high school lacrosse for Del Mar?

If this is true, even if that player is eligible to play by his HS FState rules, it would appear he would not be eligible to play in HoCo as a result.

From the HoCo League rules:

The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player’s current grade level. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division.

HoCo is not clear here. They say the league follows a system based on the player's current grade level. He is an 8th grader in an eighth grade club league. Then they say if he participates on a HS team he is ineligible. I am sure Howard County did not take into account that other states allow middle school kids to play on high school teams. In a league full of holdbacks, the kid should be applauded for playing up in HS.

like the predictions, lots of competitive games this week. hope to catch a few of them..

Originally Posted by anonymousturd

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is it possible for the Hawks 2022 to have a player that also plays varsity high school lacrosse for Del Mar?

If this is true, even if that player is eligible to play by his HS FState rules, it would appear he would not be eligible to play in HoCo as a result.

From the HoCo League rules:

The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player’s current grade level. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, or varsity team is not eligible for the 8th grade division.

HoCo is not clear here. They say the league follows a system based on the player's current grade level. He is an 8th grader in an eighth grade club league. Then they say if he participates on a HS team he is ineligible. I am sure Howard County did not take into account that other states allow middle school kids to play on high school teams. In a league full of holdbacks, the kid should be applauded for playing up in HS.

Don't applaud too much. Not like the kid is the age of a normal 8th grader.

What a joke you all are. Just because you have to register you won't post?

Very interesting day in HOCO:
Madlax over Hawks by 3
Team 91 - 9 API - 6
Crabs - 14 FCA - 6
Koopers - 11 DCE - 6

Guess Hawks isn't invincible. Too bad anonymous folks cant trash talk the Hawks parents on here.lol

What was score of Madlax and hawks?
Api was up 4 -0 early looks like the faltered late

Crabs/Fca was a one goal game at half 5-4 crabs.
DCE has played the toughest schedule.. all the big guns and lost a few in OT and all were close games... schedule makers did them no favors.

2022 division now in a bit of a mess with Koopers /Dukes team imploding. Wonder what will happen now that playoffs are starting

Originally Posted by watchthemplay

2022 division now in a bit of a mess with Koopers /Dukes team imploding. Wonder what will happen now that playoffs are starting

What happened to the team?

HOCO was very good this year. A lot of very good lacrosse. Hawks on top again-too much depth at every position-however they can be beat. Best team and definitely the team to beat this summer. Mad Lax very well coached and team seemed to have it together this year. Kooper team really fun to watch and very talented at a few spots on the field. Kids can take over a game-but lack depth and stability it seemed at the end. FCA and Crabs will both be tough to face in these upcoming summer tournaments as well as Rough Riders. 91 has very talented squad just need consistent play.
Summer should be fun ! BYE BYE middle school lacrosse -
All these teams have exceptional coaching . Wether you like them or not it is pretty remarkable the level of coaching.

Where the premiere tournaments for the Elite 2022 and AA this Spring and Summer?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where the premiere tournaments for the Elite 2022 and AA this Spring and Summer?

NLF Main Event, Adrenaline, Crabfeast, NLF National Championship, Millon 2022 National Championship, Naptown

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where the premiere tournaments for the Elite 2022 and AA this Spring and Summer?

NLF Main Event, Adrenaline, Crabfeast, NLF National Championship, Millon 2022 National Championship, Naptown

Crabfeast Naptown are the 2 best competition. Adrenaline is more for older teams. Millons weaker competition this year. NLF will be solid this year but still missing a lot of the top teams.

What happened to Cavs 2022? Finally play someone good and 7 goal loss. Overrated!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where the premiere tournaments for the Elite 2022 and AA this Spring and Summer?

NLF Main Event, Adrenaline, Crabfeast, NLF National Championship, Millon 2022 National Championship, Naptown

Crabfeast Naptown are the 2 best competition. Adrenaline is more for older teams. Millons weaker competition this year. NLF will be solid this year but still missing a lot of the top teams.

Is there already brackets for these tournaments? How do we know who is in what already?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where the premiere tournaments for the Elite 2022 and AA this Spring and Summer?

NLF Main Event, Adrenaline, Crabfeast, NLF National Championship, Millon 2022 National Championship, Naptown

Crabfeast Naptown are the 2 best competition. Adrenaline is more for older teams. Millons weaker competition this year. NLF will be solid this year but still missing a lot of the top teams.

Is there already brackets for these tournaments? How do we know who is in what already?

Tourney Machine

How many 2022 kids trying out UA teams next? What are the chances of a 22 kid making it or is this year a learning experience?

I would think that a lot are trying out and very few make it. Last year had a friend's son who is a very strong 21 go out and not make it. This year same kid should be in with no problem. Once you start playing high school your game should pick up with all the practice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many 2022 kids trying out UA teams next? What are the chances of a 22 kid making it or is this year a learning experience?

Very difficult as you are going against 2021. And in Balt that means they will be many older 2021's.
And my experience as with many others is that the tryouts are really for only a few spots per position.
If you look at many UA teams, they loaded with players that the coaches know from school,club or other buddy coaches. Not that they arent good players too, but once you get past the very few superstars, its about who you know.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many 2022 kids trying out UA teams next? What are the chances of a 22 kid making it or is this year a learning experience?

Very difficult as you are going against 2021. And in Balt that means they will be many older 2021's.
And my experience as with many others is that the tryouts are really for only a few spots per position.
If you look at many UA teams, they loaded with players that the coaches know from school,club or other buddy coaches. Not that they arent good players too, but once you get past the very few superstars, its about who you know.

I think the chances are great for a lot of the coach's kids and club team owner's kids. That's usually the way these all star teams work out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many 2022 kids trying out UA teams next? What are the chances of a 22 kid making it or is this year a learning experience?

Did they play Evergreen?

If you are in Baltimore and your kid plays for FCA or is going to Calvert Hall or BL he might have a shot. Take a look at the previous years’ rosters and you will easily figure out how things roll with Corrigan. Hacking said that - every D1 coach will be there for the tryout - so might be worth it if he can make it to the callback game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are in Baltimore and your kid plays for FCA or is going to Calvert Hall or BL he might have a shot. Take a look at the previous years’ rosters and you will easily figure out how things roll with Corrigan. Hacking said that - every D1 coach will be there for the tryout - so might be worth it if he can make it to the callback game.

Agreed, and like the previous poster said - unless you are a coaches kid or club directors kid you will have long shot. Half the 2022 top teams in MD are run by dads and every Try out for any ALL Star type team has always been unfair. These dad/coaches have their favorites and thats that. Add the fact that Corrigan is a huge BL ,Calvert , Pauls, Mcdonogh guy the odds are stacked against you - 2021's playing in this game should be 2020 so any true 2022 that is not in the favoritism has a long shot.
This should be a fair and level playing field for this try out but unfortunately it will not be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are in Baltimore and your kid plays for FCA or is going to Calvert Hall or BL he might have a shot. Take a look at the previous years’ rosters and you will easily figure out how things roll with Corrigan. Hacking said that - every D1 coach will be there for the tryout - so might be worth it if he can make it to the callback game.

Agreed, and like the previous poster said - unless you are a coaches kid or club directors kid you will have long shot. Half the 2022 top teams in MD are run by dads and every Try out for any ALL Star type team has always been unfair. These dad/coaches have their favorites and thats that. Add the fact that Corrigan is a huge BL ,Calvert , Pauls, Mcdonogh guy the odds are stacked against you - 2021's playing in this game should be 2020 so any true 2022 that is not in the favoritism has a long shot.
This should be a fair and level playing field for this try out but unfortunately it will not be.

And this isnt only a Baltimore thing about making the team on who you know in the UA tryouts. Many other Regions are just like this. A parent from the South UA team said the team was loaded with kids that the coaches knew from school , club or other coaches players they knew. I help your school/club player out and I expect you to help my school/club player out rule.

If you think the tryout fee is worth playing in a few games, go for it. But unless you have some in with the coaches , your chances of making the team are slim to none short of being some superstar outlier.

Crabs and API making it to Championships this weekend in 2 of the big tournaments - 91md in semi- good showing for MD teams-

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs and API making it to Championships this weekend in 2 of the big tournaments - 91md in semi- good showing for MD teams-

API in a Championship? Wow.... that’s a shocker.

Where did Crabs play?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs and API making it to Championships this weekend in 2 of the big tournaments - 91md in semi- good showing for MD teams-

API in a Championship? Wow.... that’s a shocker.

Where did Crabs play?

Crabs played at the NLF Main Event. Beat LI Express and Primetime before losing to 91 Smash in finals

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs and API making it to Championships this weekend in 2 of the big tournaments - 91md in semi- good showing for MD teams-

API in a Championship? Wow.... that’s a shocker.

Where did Crabs play?

Crabs played at the NLF Main Event. Beat LI Express and Primetime before losing to 91 Smash in finals

All the top teams at NLF besides Igloo and Hawks - Igloo is never invited-not sure why Hawks didn't defend title- Prime-time looked very good as did Crabs but LI 91 too much for everyone

Beach Lax Tourney used to be good, was terrible this year. Little to no 2022 competition and overall poorly organized. No backup plan for rain, so the teams were kicked off the fields and had to use a high grass area in the back that were lined at the last minute. All championship games were cancelled. Scores are still not posted to the web site 2 days after the tourney is over! If you were lucky, you got 2.5 games.

9d1 sent their B team (United Mark$berry) to compete in the 2022AA bracket. Def not a AA team, they should have competed in B. Big, slow and no speed on that team. Easily defeated by Philly Frdom AA.

Evergrn also should have completed in B bracket, not A or AA. Def a less skilled team.

Lax Factry gave some competition.

Overall, very disappointing tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Beach Lax Tourney used to be good, was terrible this year. Little to no 2022 competition and overall poorly organized. No backup plan for rain, so the teams were kicked off the fields and had to use a high grass area in the back that were lined at the last minute. All championship games were cancelled. Scores are still not posted to the web site 2 days after the tourney is over! If you were lucky, you got 2.5 games.

9d1 sent their B team (United Mark$berry) to compete in the 2022AA bracket. Def not a AA team, they should have competed in B. Big, slow and no speed on that team. Easily defeated by Philly Frdom AA.

Evergrn also should have completed in B bracket, not A or AA. Def a less skilled team.

Lax Factry gave some competition.

Overall, very disappointing tournament.

Well shame on your club for playing in beach lax or any aloha tournament for that matter at the 2022 age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs and API making it to Championships this weekend in 2 of the big tournaments - 91md in semi- good showing for MD teams-

API in a Championship? Wow.... that’s a shocker.

Where did Crabs play?

Crabs played at the NLF Main Event. Beat LI Express and Primetime before losing to 91 Smash in finals

All the top teams at NLF besides Igloo and Hawks - Igloo is never invited-not sure why Hawks didn't defend title- Prime-time looked very good as did Crabs but LI 91 too much for everyone

Where were the Hawks this weekend? 2 big time tournaments (especially NLF) they skipped put on-- would of loved to see them play at one of them-

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs and API making it to Championships this weekend in 2 of the big tournaments - 91md in semi- good showing for MD teams-

API in a Championship? Wow.... that’s a shocker.

Where did Crabs play?

Crabs played at the NLF Main Event. Beat LI Express and Primetime before losing to 91 Smash in finals

All the top teams at NLF besides Igloo and Hawks - Igloo is never invited-not sure why Hawks didn't defend title- Prime-time looked very good as did Crabs but LI 91 too much for everyone

Where were the Hawks this weekend? 2 big time tournaments (especially NLF) they skipped put on-- would of loved to see them play at one of them-

Naptown tournament all chalk after first day. No big upsets. Seeding should be interesting.

Seeding was a joke, Annapolis Hawks were given the easiest schedule. No one was surprised there. Let’s see how they do against Dukes National team. Should be interesting.

Don’t some of the best 2022 DN players also play for Koopers 2021, which is also in Naptown final?

Can anyone explain and rank the best teams for the 2021 to 2024 grades for the state of Virginia? So first say the best Va team at each grade then rank that team or teams in the US or at least the East coast? My point is when looking around it seems that VA does not have a single club team at these age groups that is any good on the large scale. VLC and Madlax has very below avg teams at 2021 to 2023. The Madlax 2024 team is good but where are they in the large scale. Looking at the Naptown results all the VA teams got smoked. Just something to talk about. I do not care about who cheats or does not cheat just wondering how the VA teams are so bad at 2021 to 2024 overall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seeding was a joke, Annapolis Hawks were given the easiest schedule. No one was surprised there. Let’s see how they do against Dukes National team. Should be interesting.

The top 4 seeds made the final 4. Hawks True National RoughRiders Dukes.

Hawks beat True national in OT. Dukes beat RoughRiders 7-4. Heard RoughRiders lost their best 2 middies before tournament even started. Out with injuries.
Finals should be a good game with Hawks winning.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone explain and rank the best teams for the 2021 to 2024 grades for the state of Virginia? So first say the best Va team at each grade then rank that team or teams in the US or at least the East coast? My point is when looking around it seems that VA does not have a single club team at these age groups that is any good on the large scale. VLC and Madlax has very below avg teams at 2021 to 2023. The Madlax 2024 team is good but where are they in the large scale. Looking at the Naptown results all the VA teams got smoked. Just something to talk about. I do not care about who cheats or does not cheat just wondering how the VA teams are so bad at 2021 to 2024 overall.

First if your son does not play for a VA team why do you care? Second, what VA teams played at Naptown? You may have a point but many VA players play for MD teams and Madlax has many MD players so not really a VA club. The Madlax 2023 (DC) team and the 2024 team are in the top 5 nationally at least top 10. 3d which was at Naptown was about half from VA and they purchased Lax Factory (MD) so not really a VA team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seeding was a joke, Annapolis Hawks were given the easiest schedule. No one was surprised there. Let’s see how they do against Dukes National team. Should be interesting.

The top 4 seeds made the final 4. Hawks True National RoughRiders Dukes.

Hawks beat True national in OT. Dukes beat RoughRiders 7-4. Heard RoughRiders lost their best 2 middies before tournament even started. Out with injuries.
Finals should be a good game with Hawks winning.

I hate to root against young kids, but I'm glad Duke's lost.

The way Duke's pulls together an all-star team of kids from other clubs just to compete in a couple tournaments just rubs me the wrong way.

Their history of ripping people off is also disturbing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone explain and rank the best teams for the 2021 to 2024 grades for the state of Virginia? So first say the best Va team at each grade then rank that team or teams in the US or at least the East coast? My point is when looking around it seems that VA does not have a single club team at these age groups that is any good on the large scale. VLC and Madlax has very below avg teams at 2021 to 2023. The Madlax 2024 team is good but where are they in the large scale. Looking at the Naptown results all the VA teams got smoked. Just something to talk about. I do not care about who cheats or does not cheat just wondering how the VA teams are so bad at 2021 to 2024 overall.

First if your son does not play for a VA team why do you care? Second, what VA teams played at Naptown? You may have a point but many VA players play for MD teams and Madlax has many MD players so not really a VA club. The Madlax 2023 (DC) team and the 2024 team are in the top 5 nationally at least top 10. 3d which was at Naptown was about half from VA and they purchased Lax Factory (MD) so not really a VA team.

Virginia is a big state. Richmond Hawks seem to be the most competitive purely VA team at the AA level.

Many Northern VA kids play for Madlax, DC Express, or Next Level in Bethesda which also are at the highest level.

The other purely northern VA clubs are all A or B level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Can anyone explain and rank the best teams for the 2021 to 2024 grades for the state of Virginia? So first say the best Va team at each grade then rank that team or teams in the US or at least the East coast? My point is when looking around it seems that VA does not have a single club team at these age groups that is any good on the large scale. VLC and Madlax has very below avg teams at 2021 to 2023. The Madlax 2024 team is good but where are they in the large scale. Looking at the Naptown results all the VA teams got smoked. Just something to talk about. I do not care about who cheats or does not cheat just wondering how the VA teams are so bad at 2021 to 2024 overall.

First if your son does not play for a VA team why do you care? Second, what VA teams played at Naptown? You may have a point but many VA players play for MD teams and Madlax has many MD players so not really a VA club. The Madlax 2023 (DC) team and the 2024 team are in the top 5 nationally at least top 10. 3d which was at Naptown was about half from VA and they purchased Lax Factory (MD) so not really a VA team.

Virginia is a big state. Richmond Hawks seem to be the most competitive purely VA team at the AA level.

Many Northern VA kids play for Madlax, DC Express, or Next Level in Bethesda which also are at the highest level.

The other purely northern VA clubs are all A or B level.

Well I was really not trying to fight I just thought it would be something to talk about debate a little. So after these answers I do get that NOVA kids tend to go play for Maryland teams and I also understand that Madlax pulls from MD a lot. So lets go with this question. Where is all the NOVA / VA talent at the 2021 and 2022 levels. How much of the VA talent from these grade years playing with MD clubs?

So your question is where is all the NOVA talent at 2022 (don't know about 2021 but this a 2022 board) dare I even say it? The mere mention of the word may bring back a wrath not seen since say August..............
EVER verde?? At this age group there is no more HOCO: CAV's, Evergreen, VEL, VLC, MADLAX, Top Caliber, Battlax ect... will make up the bulk of N. VA talent. While none of these teams may end up top 10 in the nation they will all help build better HS programs and each have ties to a school or schools. Top players at these programs will get college looks and all will be good. There just is not nearly as much interest in the sport in N.VA as in the past this NVYLL season was average at best.

Washington Post says Coach Bellistri our at Bullis per AD email. Google results on same topic imply DC Express coaches behind this effort. What’s the story here folks?

Thank god the 2022's are headed to high school. Hawks lost 3 out of 4 tournaments this summer. Coach will would have them practicing 7 days a week. Good luck to all in high school.

All MD 2022 final at NLF National Tournament: Team 91MD vs. Crabs.

Best competition all year - shocked to see Hawks struggle.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thank god the 2022's are headed to high school. Hawks lost 3 out of 4 tournaments this summer. Coach will would have them practicing 7 days a week. Good luck to all in high school.

They rolled over and played dead today vs Chan. 1 goal....but, yeah, Spalding will win the next 4 MIAA's....it is the OTHERS holding them back.

I’ll take that bet on Spaulding. CH will have something to say about that. McD also.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thank god the 2022's are headed to high school. Hawks lost 3 out of 4 tournaments this summer. Coach will would have them practicing 7 days a week. Good luck to all in high school.

They should have one more year as 2023's

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All MD 2022 final at NLF National Tournament: Team 91MD vs. Crabs.

Best competition all year - shocked to see Hawks struggle.

Not the best competition if you don't invite all the best teams.
Team that beat 91MD in semifinals at Million tournament would have won
This tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’ll take that bet on Spaulding. CH will have something to say about that. McD also.

You must have went to Calvert Hall. It is called sarcasm, as in "yeah, the team that just quit and scored 1 goal in 8th grade is going to win the MIAA" Pay attention

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All MD 2022 final at NLF National Tournament: Team 91MD vs. Crabs.

Best competition all year - shocked to see Hawks struggle.

Not the best competition if you don't invite all the best teams.
Team that beat 91MD in semifinals at Million tournament would have won
This tournament.

And our not-friends from igloo just have to chime in

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All MD 2022 final at NLF National Tournament: Team 91MD vs. Crabs.

Best competition all year - shocked to see Hawks struggle.

Not the best competition if you don't invite all the best teams.
Team that beat 91MD in semifinals at Million tournament would have won
This tournament.

And our not-friends from igloo just have to chime in

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All MD 2022 final at NLF National Tournament: Team 91MD vs. Crabs.

Best competition all year - shocked to see Hawks struggle.

Not the best competition if you don't invite all the best teams.
Team that beat 91MD in semifinals at Million tournament would have won
This tournament.

And our not-friends from igloo just have to chime in

Its the truth, many clubs that were not invited because of their proximity to NLF clubs and it would hurt their brand if they allowed them. FACT

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All MD 2022 final at NLF National Tournament: Team 91MD vs. Crabs.

Best competition all year - shocked to see Hawks struggle.

Not the best competition if you don't invite all the best teams.
Team that beat 91MD in semifinals at Million tournament would have won
This tournament.

Let’s figure out what team you are referring to?????
The one that got destroyed in the championship?

Is anyone going to give Team 91 MD and for that matter Crabsant props? All MD final. Where are all the New Yorkers now? One of you said the only 91 team that belonged was NY and the rest stunk. MD beat Express and then Smash just to get to the final. And the Smash game was an butt whoopin. That’s 3 of last 4 against Express and two in a row against Smash. These are all really talented teams, INCLUDING MD. Say what you want, but when it’s on the line, those kids step up. Loaded with talented kids who play their butt off. My point is mostly that all these teams are great and can knock each other off on any given day. No reason to put one down. This was 91 MD’s weekend. Give them some credit.

No FCA or RoughRiders at the NLF event.

Congratulations on Team 9t1 MD winning NLF Championship. Was nice to see all the championship games was on ESPN3. All still there on replay for anyone to see.

After watching the game. Both teams have some big players. Obviously there are some reclassed/prefirst players. Team 9t1 had a great defense that to me was the big difference and reason they won.
What many have said here about this team seems to be true. The offense had one player that seemed to have to get the ball most times. Then always have the green light to take it on himself to try to do something. For having the ball so much, I dont think he scored or assisted in any goal.

Overall a well played game for talented players in the 8th grade going to 9th.

I wasn’t smart enough to go to CH. My sons did/do though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All MD 2022 final at NLF National Tournament: Team 91MD vs. Crabs.

Best competition all year - shocked to see Hawks struggle.

Not the best competition if you don't invite all the best teams.
Team that beat 91MD in semifinals at Million tournament would have won
This tournament.

Let’s figure out what team you are referring to?????
The one that got destroyed in the championship?

Didn’t they lose to 91M in the bracket play? That’s funny

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All MD 2022 final at NLF National Tournament: Team 91MD vs. Crabs.

Best competition all year - shocked to see Hawks struggle.

Not the best competition if you don't invite all the best teams.
Team that beat 91MD in semifinals at Million tournament would have won
This tournament.

And our not-friends from igloo just have to chime in

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All MD 2022 final at NLF National Tournament: Team 91MD vs. Crabs.

Best competition all year - shocked to see Hawks struggle.

Not the best competition if you don't invite all the best teams.
Team that beat 91MD in semifinals at Million tournament would have won
This tournament.

And our not-friends from igloo just have to chime in

Its the truth, many clubs that were not invited because of their proximity to NLF clubs and it would hurt their brand if they allowed them. FACT

Name one team that one a tournament this summer that was not invited to play at NLF. Roughriders won Crabfeast but they were invited. I’m sure you are referring to Igloo and/or FCA. Last I checked neither of them had won a thing in quite some time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All MD 2022 final at NLF National Tournament: Team 91MD vs. Crabs.

Best competition all year - shocked to see Hawks struggle.

Not the best competition if you don't invite all the best teams.
Team that beat 91MD in semifinals at Million tournament would have won
This tournament.

Let’s figure out what team you are referring to?????
The one that got destroyed in the championship?

you got destroyed in the championship by a ten goal margin granted we dodged a bullet Saturday with 91 best player not playing but we went through some great teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congratulations on Team 9t1 MD winning NLF Championship. Was nice to see all the championship games was on ESPN3. All still there on replay for anyone to see.

After watching the game. Both teams have some big players. Obviously there are some reclassed/prefirst players. Team 9t1 had a great defense that to me was the big difference and reason they won.
What many have said here about this team seems to be true. The offense had one player that seemed to have to get the ball most times. Then always have the green light to take it on himself to try to do something. For having the ball so much, I dont think he scored or assisted in any goal.

Overall a well played game for talented players in the 8th grade going to 9th.

Disagree. The difference in the game was the 6'4 FOGO with the full beard that the announcers didn't have his name because he wasn't on the roster submitted to the tournament. 91MD won almost every faceoff all weekend. Thought Crabs defense played fantastic considering 91MD had the ball so much.

Best players on the team yesterday were from out of town. While the ball goes through one person constantly, as you said he had no goals or assists.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No FCA or RoughRiders at the NLF event.

Roughriders were invited. In fact, PA Roughriders won one of the A divisions. FCA chooses not to play after June. Same reason they don't play in the 2022 Millon tournaments.

Without question this weekend was the best collection of teams all summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congratulations on Team 9t1 MD winning NLF Championship. Was nice to see all the championship games was on ESPN3. All still there on replay for anyone to see.

After watching the game. Both teams have some big players. Obviously there are some reclassed/prefirst players. Team 9t1 had a great defense that to me was the big difference and reason they won.
What many have said here about this team seems to be true. The offense had one player that seemed to have to get the ball most times. Then always have the green light to take it on himself to try to do something. For having the ball so much, I dont think he scored or assisted in any goal.

Overall a well played game for talented players in the 8th grade going to 9th.

Disagree. The difference in the game was the 6'4 FOGO with the full beard that the announcers didn't have his name because he wasn't on the roster submitted to the tournament. 91MD won almost every faceoff all weekend. Thought Crabs defense played fantastic considering 91MD had the ball so much.

Best players on the team yesterday were from out of town. While the ball goes through one person constantly, as you said he had no goals or assists.

Totally agree with this poster. My son is a 23 but is friends with kids on both 91MD and Crabs. 91MD's defense played great and was their regulars, But Fogo and most of the offense were Texas implants. Great game - could've went either way. FOGO discrepancy was easily the biggest difference in the outcome though. Just my opinion...

IGLOO spanked 91 maryland last time they played if invited would have won nlf easily

igloo has beat 91md last 3 out of 4 ,lets not get crazy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congratulations on Team 9t1 MD winning NLF Championship. Was nice to see all the championship games was on ESPN3. All still there on replay for anyone to see.

After watching the game. Both teams have some big players. Obviously there are some reclassed/prefirst players. Team 9t1 had a great defense that to me was the big difference and reason they won.
What many have said here about this team seems to be true. The offense had one player that seemed to have to get the ball most times. Then always have the green light to take it on himself to try to do something. For having the ball so much, I dont think he scored or assisted in any goal.

Overall a well played game for talented players in the 8th grade going to 9th.

Disagree. The difference in the game was the 6'4 FOGO with the full beard that the announcers didn't have his name because he wasn't on the roster submitted to the tournament. 91MD won almost every faceoff all weekend. Thought Crabs defense played fantastic considering 91MD had the ball so much.

Best players on the team yesterday were from out of town. While the ball goes through one person constantly, as you said he had no goals or assists.

Totally agree with this poster. My son is a 23 but is friends with kids on both 91MD and Crabs. 91MD's defense played great and was their regulars, But Fogo and most of the offense were Texas implants. Great game - could've went either way. FOGO discrepancy was easily the biggest difference in the outcome though. Just my opinion...

No sympathy for Crabs. Majority of team belongs on 2021. Add to the roster throughout the year.

Disagree. The difference in the game was the 6'4 FOGO with the full beard that the announcers didn't have his name because he wasn't on the roster submitted to the tournament. 91MD won almost every faceoff all weekend. Thought Crabs defense played fantastic considering 91MD had the ball so much.

Best players on the team yesterday were from out of town. While the ball goes through one person constantly, as you said he had no goals or assists.[/quote]

I would be willing to bet that 6'4 FOGO from TX was the kid from Stick Star Select in Dallas. My son's team played them earlier this summer at CrabFeast and he was literally a grown man amongst boys.

Millon is willing to add whomever to win a stupid summer tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Disagree. The difference in the game was the 6'4 FOGO with the full beard that the announcers didn't have his name because he wasn't on the roster submitted to the tournament. 91MD won almost every faceoff all weekend. Thought Crabs defense played fantastic considering 91MD had the ball so much.

Best players on the team yesterday were from out of town. While the ball goes through one person constantly, as you said he had no goals or assists.

I would be willing to bet that 6'4 FOGO from TX was the kid from Stick Star Select in Dallas. My son's team played them earlier this summer at CrabFeast and he was literally a grown man amongst boys.

Millon is willing to add whomever to win a stupid summer tournament.
[/quote]

But King Crab won’t? Those kids are not on age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

IGLOO spanked 91 maryland last time they played if invited would have won nlf easily

Very high regard for your team! What tournaments did Igloo win this year and against what top competition?

So what is final ranking for the summer?

91 Smash , 91 MD , NY Express , Hawks , RR , Crabs , FCA , Igloo , HHH , Primetime

What about true national list to hawks by 1 and got 3rd at naptown also beat crabs in fall

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Disagree. The difference in the game was the 6'4 FOGO with the full beard that the announcers didn't have his name because he wasn't on the roster submitted to the tournament. 91MD won almost every faceoff all weekend. Thought Crabs defense played fantastic considering 91MD had the ball so much.

Best players on the team yesterday were from out of town. While the ball goes through one person constantly, as you said he had no goals or assists.

I would be willing to bet that 6'4 FOGO from TX was the kid from Stick Star Select in Dallas. My son's team played them earlier this summer at CrabFeast and he was literally a grown man amongst boys.

Millon is willing to add whomever to win a stupid summer tournament.

But King Crab won’t? Those kids are not on age.
[/quote]

not a Crabs parent here but I watched the game and the team was the same team my son played in Hoco. 2 of their better players are actually real 23’s - not soon to be fake one’s like MM’s son. Absolutely no older than 91 Texas (I mean MD)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Disagree. The difference in the game was the 6'4 FOGO with the full beard that the announcers didn't have his name because he wasn't on the roster submitted to the tournament. 91MD won almost every faceoff all weekend. Thought Crabs defense played fantastic considering 91MD had the ball so much.

Best players on the team yesterday were from out of town. While the ball goes through one person constantly, as you said he had no goals or assists.

I would be willing to bet that 6'4 FOGO from TX was the kid from Stick Star Select in Dallas. My son's team played them earlier this summer at CrabFeast and he was literally a grown man amongst boys.

Millon is willing to add whomever to win a stupid summer tournament.
[/quote]

Give some credit to the real T91 MD team. They did score 3 of the 8 goals in the championship. The T91MD "guest players" scored 5.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No FCA or RoughRiders at the NLF event.

Roughriders were invited. In fact, PA Roughriders won one of the A divisions. FCA chooses not to play after June. Same reason they don't play in the 2022 Millon tournaments.

Without question this weekend was the best collection of teams all summer.

MD Roughriders to play in B division. Not invited to play in A division. No wonder they passed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what is final ranking for the summer?

91 Smash , 91 MD , NY Express , Hawks , RR , Crabs , FCA , Igloo , HHH , Primetime

1 - 91 Smash (Won two significant tourneys)
4 way tie for 2nd - 91 MD, NY Express, Hawks , RR (Won 1 significant tourney)

True national aaa. Finished tied for 2nd at naptown lost to hawks by 1 in ot in Annapolis. Dukes also lost to hawks by one in final. I say their top 5 team. Also beat the crabs in the fall by 4

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what is final ranking for the summer?

91 Smash , 91 MD , NY Express , Hawks , RR , Crabs , FCA , Igloo , HHH , Primetime

91 smash
RoughRiders
Express
Hawks
FCA
Top 5

Team 91 MD develops home grown talent... MM is all about taking the kids from a young age and keeping them together...
NOT.....imports a bunch of bounty hunters that take playing time away from the boys that put their blood, sweat and tears into the team....
Check the roster for HOCO vs the ridiculous free agent tourney season....
MM only cares about one thing....
Wins... whoops.... two things....
Favoring his son at all times....
From...an informed parent!!!!

6’4” FOGO? You’re just stupid. He’s 6’1”. He’s playing the appropriate grade level. He’s been on the roster since tryouts last August and prior years. Completely legit. ALL of these teams have rostered players from other states. It’s the nature of the game, like it or not. They have played in all summer tournaments. Not like they added anyone for this one. Just give the kids credit. They beat every team put in front of them. And saying they don’t have local talent is not fair. I’d love to see you find a better defense than they have. ALL MD kids. 100%. Best defense you’ll find. Solid offensive talent as well. Go find something better to do than bash young kids. Congrats to Team 91 MD for being the best team in the country at the end of the summer season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

6’4” FOGO? You’re just stupid. He’s 6’1”. He’s playing the appropriate grade level. He’s been on the roster since tryouts last August and prior years. Completely legit. ALL of these teams have rostered players from other states. It’s the nature of the game, like it or not. They have played in all summer tournaments. Not like they added anyone for this one. Just give the kids credit. They beat every team put in front of them. And saying they don’t have local talent is not fair. I’d love to see you find a better defense than they have. ALL MD kids. 100%. Best defense you’ll find. Solid offensive talent as well. Go find something better to do than bash young kids. Congrats to Team 91 MD for being the best team in the country at the end of the summer season.

Thanks Mark ! What is your thoughts on holding every single 8th grader back and giving them an extra year of lacrosse , well I mean the ones that havent been heldback yet?? Seems like the right thing to do!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

6’4” FOGO? You’re just stupid. He’s 6’1”. He’s playing the appropriate grade level. He’s been on the roster since tryouts last August and prior years. Completely legit. ALL of these teams have rostered players from other states. It’s the nature of the game, like it or not. They have played in all summer tournaments. Not like they added anyone for this one. Just give the kids credit. They beat every team put in front of them. And saying they don’t have local talent is not fair. I’d love to see you find a better defense than they have. ALL MD kids. 100%. Best defense you’ll find. Solid offensive talent as well. Go find something better to do than bash young kids. Congrats to Team 91 MD for being the best team in the country at the end of the summer season.

Contrary to what you believe or may have been told, most kids play for one team only. I don’t fault the kids from Team 91 Texas or Stick Star Dallas, but let’s face it, they carried this team. All that stuff that Mark Millon spouts on his social media accounts about player development takes a backseat to flying in talent to win tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what is final ranking for the summer?

91 Smash , 91 MD , NY Express , Hawks , RR , Crabs , FCA , Igloo , HHH , Primetime

91 smash
RoughRiders
Express
Hawks
FCA
Top 5

91 Smash (would've beaten 91MD in NLF if attackman played)
Hawks
Express
T91 MD
Crabs/FCA

should have those ten teams participate in fall tourney ,would be interesting

Ha. Knew that was coming. Team 91 MD easily beat them with 22 a few weeks back and this time it was 10-2. He’s good, but not 8 goals good. Their D knows how to handle him. Next excuse.

AND 91 MD beat Express 3 of last 4 they’ve played. Can’t put them ahead.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

6’4” FOGO? You’re just stupid. He’s 6’1”. He’s playing the appropriate grade level. He’s been on the roster since tryouts last August and prior years. Completely legit. ALL of these teams have rostered players from other states. It’s the nature of the game, like it or not. They have played in all summer tournaments. Not like they added anyone for this one. Just give the kids credit. They beat every team put in front of them. And saying they don’t have local talent is not fair. I’d love to see you find a better defense than they have. ALL MD kids. 100%. Best defense you’ll find. Solid offensive talent as well. Go find something better to do than bash young kids. Congrats to Team 91 MD for being the best team in the country at the end of the summer season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

6’4” FOGO? You’re just stupid. He’s 6’1”. He’s playing the appropriate grade level. He’s been on the roster since tryouts last August and prior years. Completely legit. ALL of these teams have rostered players from other states. It’s the nature of the game, like it or not. They have played in all summer tournaments. Not like they added anyone for this one. Just give the kids credit. They beat every team put in front of them. And saying they don’t have local talent is not fair. I’d love to see you find a better defense than they have. ALL MD kids. 100%. Best defense you’ll find. Solid offensive talent as well. Go find something better to do than bash young kids. Congrats to Team 91 MD for being the best team in the country at the end of the summer season.

Are you on drugs? Keep telling yourself that! Your team is run by cheating and lies!!! Slimy

and Igloo beat 91 md last 3 out of 4 your method of ranking stinks

If you look at the teams that are listed they are real good. How many played with the same roster all year?
How many added players from spring league to summer league(MD parent not sure how Philly or long Island league works). I have a novel I deal what if someone developed a league were we play more individual games/showcase events and really have a league. I think teams would travel if they new they were going to any of these places and you played 2 game on Sat and 2 on Sunday and then went home. This takes all of the extra tournaments out of the mix. Take 5 tournaments and make they points/ranking events? You could do (1) in April (1) in May (2) in June and (1) in July and at the end of all of these you could say these 10/20 teams qualify for a National Championship tournament to be played in mid July. Not a hard thing to do it would just take someone who knows what they are doing and has the back end to help support it. For the high school division you could do the same thing you would just have to make it more condensed. You could also hold regional tournaments and winners or top finisher would qualify for the national tournaments and you would have to do all of these with 1 roster that is NOT interchangeable.

Call me crazy but this works in almost all other youth sports

RR beat

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what is final ranking for the summer?

91 Smash , 91 MD , NY Express , Hawks , RR , Crabs , FCA , Igloo , HHH , Primetime

91 smash
RoughRiders
Express
Hawks
FCA
Top 5

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]So what is final ranking for the summer?

91 Smash , 91 MD , NY Express , Hawks , RR , Crabs , FCA , Igloo , HHH , Primetime

91 smash
RoughRiders
Express
Hawks
FCA
Top 5

91 Smash (would've beaten 91MD in NLF if attackman played)
Hawks
Express
T91 MD
Crabs/FCA

RR beat FCA twice this year so no way they are top 5 and RR is not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you look at the teams that are listed they are real good. How many played with the same roster all year?
How many added players from spring league to summer league(MD parent not sure how Philly or long Island league works). I have a novel I deal what if someone developed a league were we play more individual games/showcase events and really have a league. I think teams would travel if they new they were going to any of these places and you played 2 game on Sat and 2 on Sunday and then went home. This takes all of the extra tournaments out of the mix. Take 5 tournaments and make they points/ranking events? You could do (1) in April (1) in May (2) in June and (1) in July and at the end of all of these you could say these 10/20 teams qualify for a National Championship tournament to be played in mid July. Not a hard thing to do it would just take someone who knows what they are doing and has the back end to help support it. For the high school division you could do the same thing you would just have to make it more condensed. You could also hold regional tournaments and winners or top finisher would qualify for the national tournaments and you would have to do all of these with 1 roster that is NOT interchangeable.

Call me crazy but this works in almost all other youth sports

Rocket-science

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you look at the teams that are listed they are real good. How many played with the same roster all year?
How many added players from spring league to summer league(MD parent not sure how Philly or long Island league works). I have a novel I deal what if someone developed a league were we play more individual games/showcase events and really have a league. I think teams would travel if they new they were going to any of these places and you played 2 game on Sat and 2 on Sunday and then went home. This takes all of the extra tournaments out of the mix. Take 5 tournaments and make they points/ranking events? You could do (1) in April (1) in May (2) in June and (1) in July and at the end of all of these you could say these 10/20 teams qualify for a National Championship tournament to be played in mid July. Not a hard thing to do it would just take someone who knows what they are doing and has the back end to help support it. For the high school division you could do the same thing you would just have to make it more condensed. You could also hold regional tournaments and winners or top finisher would qualify for the national tournaments and you would have to do all of these with 1 roster that is NOT interchangeable.

Call me crazy but this works in almost all other youth sports

Rocket-science

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what is final ranking for the summer?

91 Smash , 91 MD , NY Express , Hawks , RR , Crabs , FCA , Igloo , HHH , Primetime

91 smash
RoughRiders
Express
Hawks
FCA
Top 5

91 Smash (would've beaten 91MD in NLF if attackman played)
Hawks
Express
T91 MD
Crabs/FCA

Arguably Primetime, Igloo and Roughriders would be in contention. How did each of these teams do against each other (wins, losses and scores) during the Fall and Spring/Summer season? Would be interesting to analyze

All teams have until next year to prove who is top 2022 team and best in country.

This year it is MM and his Team 9 1 MD

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All teams have until next year to prove who is top 2022 team and best in country.

This year it is MM and his Team 9 1 MD

What you really mean is MM and his Team 91 Texas!

Shame on you MM for sitting loyal kids “you are developing” for implants from another state. And please stop putting on instagram how much the players “care” about each other. Most of them didn’t even know their teammates’s names!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Alright, enough BS. Let’s move on. Let’s agree that each parent and kid needs to be happy with their own situation. What’s important to some is not important to others. Find what’s right for your son and your family and roll with it. If that involves staying where you are to chase Team 91 MD or going elsewhere to chase Team 91 MD, good luck next year. #Team91NationalChamps!

Wow! You start your comment off all kumbaya and then you have to go down the cheesy road with a cheesy finish! We don’t care about a team that is shady with a bratty coach and his ever changing roster. You’re not worthy of being relevant. Enough with the narcissism

The 91 MD kids should start going to Texas. Millon could learn a thing or two from whoever is coaching those kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Alright, enough BS. Let’s move on. Let’s agree that each parent and kid needs to be happy with their own situation. What’s important to some is not important to others. Find what’s right for your son and your family and roll with it. If that involves staying where you are to chase Team 91 MD or going elsewhere to chase Team 91 MD, good luck next year. #Team91NationalChamps!

Truth be told the real Team 91MD was mediocre at best. 1 win in Hoco I believe? No playoffs. No success at early tournaments. Then, instead of working hard to "develop" the kids (as is advertised), just bring in a bunch of ringers to win a tourney. Shameful. teach the kids to work hard, believe in the process.... and then be replaced at the end.

Without the Texas kids this past weekend, T91 MD probably doesn't win 2 games. Sorry - but true!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

6’4” FOGO? You’re just silly. He’s 6’1”. He’s playing the appropriate grade level. He’s been on the roster since tryouts last August and prior years. Completely legit. ALL of these teams have rostered players from other states. It’s the nature of the game, like it or not. They have played in all summer tournaments. Not like they added anyone for this one. Just give the kids credit. They beat every team put in front of them. And saying they don’t have local talent is not fair. I’d love to see you find a better defense than they have. ALL MD kids. 100%. Best defense you’ll find. Solid offensive talent as well. Go find something better to do than bash young kids. Congrats to Team 91 MD for being the best team in the country at the end of the summer season.

The all MD defense is very good. But didn't they only win 1 game in HOCO this year with that defense?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 91 MD kids should start going to Texas. Millon could learn a thing or two from whoever is coaching those kids.

DING

Originally Posted by Anonymous

6’4” FOGO? You’re just silly. He’s 6’1”. He’s playing the appropriate grade level. He’s been on the roster since tryouts last August and prior years. Completely legit. ALL of these teams have rostered players from other states. It’s the nature of the game, like it or not. They have played in all summer tournaments. Not like they added anyone for this one. Just give the kids credit. They beat every team put in front of them. And saying they don’t have local talent is not fair. I’d love to see you find a better defense than they have. ALL MD kids. 100%. Best defense you’ll find. Solid offensive talent as well. Go find something better to do than bash young kids. Congrats to Team 91 MD for being the best team in the country at the end of the summer season.

The all MD defense is very good. But didn't they only win 1 game in HOCO this year with that defense?

Wow! You are right...ONE win SIX loses in HOCO in spring...That is a big change. Its obvious that this is a different team than the Spring HOCO local team. No way they win NLF with Spring team only.

But does that matter with NLF?? Its a holdback/prefirst League where just about anything goes.
So , bringing in players...add another thing to what is wrong with youth lacrosse

Annapolis Hawks Instagram post - hawks2022 The Hawks are a championship team. We hold one tryout per year, and never bring in “guest” players. You make a commitment to us and we will make the same commitment to you! Hawks are looking for players that are committed to improving their game and want to play against the toughest competition in the country. Tryouts are 8/12 @ 2PM / Severn School and again on 8/15 @ 7PM / Annapolis High School. DM us with any questions you might have. Sign up at www.annapolishawks.com.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Annapolis Hawks Instagram post - hawks2022 The Hawks are a championship team. We hold one tryout per year, and never bring in “guest” players. You make a commitment to us and we will make the same commitment to you! Hawks are looking for players that are committed to improving their game and want to play against the toughest competition in the country. Tryouts are 8/12 @ 2PM / Severn School and again on 8/15 @ 7PM / Annapolis High School. DM us with any questions you might have. Sign up at www.annapolishawks.com.

Yea..They take the moral high ground with grade based kids ..Hilarious. Look at their 2022 team Look like HS kids. And they are moaning about guest players.....Holdbacks/ prefirsts /reclassed and guest players ,who cares.. Its anything goes Youth lacrosse...There are no limits or rules

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Annapolis Hawks Instagram post - hawks2022 The Hawks are a championship team. We hold one tryout per year, and never bring in “guest” players. You make a commitment to us and we will make the same commitment to you! Hawks are looking for players that are committed to improving their game and want to play against the toughest competition in the country. Tryouts are 8/12 @ 2PM / Severn School and again on 8/15 @ 7PM / Annapolis High School. DM us with any questions you might have. Sign up at www.annapolishawks.com.

Hawks added kids this summer and every summer. Kids from Florida join the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Annapolis Hawks Instagram post - hawks2022 The Hawks are a championship team. We hold one tryout per year, and never bring in “guest” players. You make a commitment to us and we will make the same commitment to you! Hawks are looking for players that are committed to improving their game and want to play against the toughest competition in the country. Tryouts are 8/12 @ 2PM / Severn School and again on 8/15 @ 7PM / Annapolis High School. DM us with any questions you might have. Sign up at www.annapolishawks.com.

Hawks added kids this summer and every summer. Kids from Florida join the team.

C’mon. They have one kid from FL that has been on the roster for 3 years. They have 5-6 holdbacks which is the norm for all elite MD clubs. However they don’t fly in kids from TX, NC, NY, etc to supplement their teams for summer tournaments to say they elite when the Hoco standings show how good the team really is.

Hoco standings show the true club standings. Anything improvement over the summer is just ‘guest player’ impact. Some of these clubs (Dukes especially) invite the better kids on losing teams to play with them the next day in playoffs. Others pay to fly in talent (91MD) to supplement their mediocre spring lineup.

[quote=Anonymous]Hoco standings show the true club standings. Anything improvement over the summer is just ‘guest player’ impact. Some of these clubs (Dukes especially) invite the better kids on losing teams to play with them the next day in playoffs. Others pay to fly in talent (91MD) to supplement their mediocre spring lineup. [/quote

Biggest tournament of the summer Crabfeast. RoughRiders won no guest players. Fact.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Annapolis Hawks Instagram post - hawks2022 The Hawks are a championship team. We hold one tryout per year, and never bring in “guest” players. You make a commitment to us and we will make the same commitment to you! Hawks are looking for players that are committed to improving their game and want to play against the toughest competition in the country. Tryouts are 8/12 @ 2PM / Severn School and again on 8/15 @ 7PM / Annapolis High School. DM us with any questions you might have. Sign up at www.annapolishawks.com.

Hawks added kids this summer and every summer. Kids from Florida join the team.

C’mon. They have one kid from FL that has been on the roster for 3 years. They have 5-6 holdbacks which is the norm for all elite MD clubs. However they don’t fly in kids from TX, NC, NY, etc to supplement their teams for summer tournaments to say they elite when the Hoco standings show how good the team really is.

so their degree of garbage is they dont fly in players..So what. The team with the most holdbacks/prefirsts no matter where they are from wins.. Especially at younger grades..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Annapolis Hawks Instagram post - hawks2022 The Hawks are a championship team. We hold one tryout per year, and never bring in “guest” players. You make a commitment to us and we will make the same commitment to you! Hawks are looking for players that are committed to improving their game and want to play against the toughest competition in the country. Tryouts are 8/12 @ 2PM / Severn School and again on 8/15 @ 7PM / Annapolis High School. DM us with any questions you might have. Sign up at www.annapolishawks.com.

Hawks added kids this summer and every summer. Kids from Florida join the team.

They add a kid or 2 every summer.Usually if someone is going to miss a tournament. Some of these guest players made the team the following year so a summer tourney was a tryout I guess, No, they don't grab players so they can win a tourney but that instagram post is not factual

You make a commitment to us...until a holdback comes along that we can replace you with...

Coach is wannabe high school coach who drives a truck covered in line-x with a fake claymore mine on the front of it. Would you want your kid playing for this guy?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You make a commitment to us...until a holdback comes along that we can replace you with...

Coach is wannabe high school coach who drives a truck covered in line-x with a fake claymore mine on the front of it. Would you want your kid playing for this guy?

If you're into criticism, you could probably find something about every coach to criticize, as you did with this coach. However, to go after a coach for driving a truck with whatever adornments seems a little silly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You make a commitment to us...until a holdback comes along that we can replace you with...

Coach is wannabe high school coach who drives a truck covered in line-x with a fake claymore mine on the front of it. Would you want your kid playing for this guy?

Mine was one who played for him until a holdback replaced him. My son would play for him tomorrow if he had the opportunity.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You make a commitment to us...until a holdback comes along that we can replace you with...

Coach is wannabe high school coach who drives a truck covered in line-x with a fake claymore mine on the front of it. Would you want your kid playing for this guy?

If you're into criticism, you could probably find something about every coach to criticize, as you did with this coach. However, to go after a coach for driving a truck with whatever adornments seems a little silly.

Sounds like ex military. Even tho the military never allowed holdbacks/prefirsts in. They had to be on age to get in.

"Mine was one who played for him until a holdback replaced him. My son would play for him tomorrow if he had the opportunity."

Don't bother having him try out - he won't make it. Johnny Holdback is bigger, faster and stronger.

In terms of the truck - what adult drive around with a mine on the front of his car? What kid does for that matter?